WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:11.320 Yo, go be bad. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do 2 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:15.320 this for February twenty ninth to twenty twenty four. For the next hour or 3 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:18.280 so, let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess 4 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:22.559 Mornings Live with me Jeff Greb Today, the only constant in the video game 5 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.519 industry is that things always change. But first please join me and welcoming today's 6 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:32.039 co host the Game Mess Mornings. It's Sean Turbo. Sean McDowell. Sean, 7 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:35.719 how are you doing. I'm cold. It's very cold, Jeff. 8 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:39.359 I don't like the cold. It was warm here and then it's cold, 9 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:42.119 and that's gonna be warm over the weekend too. I don't know what's going 10 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:46.240 on, aymarm man, it's I'm the exact opposite of eighty years falling outside. 11 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:48.960 I don't know what the hell's happening. Yeah, it's all happening. 12 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:52.479 It was well, not the exact opposite, like everything, except for it 13 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:55.479 was warm and then it got cold, and I was relieved because I prefer 14 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:57.479 the cold. So it was like, okay, we're going back to a 15 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.079 little bit of cold weather. Oh it was very Yeah, I'm definitely a 16 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:06.200 perfect about it. It's no, it's it's like shockingly cold though I was 17 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:10.799 not expecting that. It was like two degrees yesterday. Yeah, like Midwest 18 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:12.560 sucks. Yeah. So I got the kid off the bus, and that's 19 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.760 what we're doing the show late steps out of town, I guess. And 20 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.200 so I had to get Addie off the bus. I'm like, I don't 21 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.640 want to like stop the show in the middle and go like wakes. It's 22 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.439 like a hurts a little bit. Random could get here eleven thirty, could 23 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:26.680 get here eleven forty five. So I'm like, I'll just we'll just postpone 24 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.519 the show. So we're doing the show a little bit late today. If 25 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.959 you're watching live, if you're on feeds later, you probably won't even notice. 26 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:37.439 So why did I even bring it up? Who cares? It's hey, 27 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.239 games industry, more bad news and we're gonna get into all he here 28 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.680 in a little bit. But boy, it is a real bummer out there. 29 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:47.879 Yeah, I'm scrolling. I didn't look at the rundown yet. Boy, 30 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:52.799 you're in Forertusia day everyone. Yeah, we'll do what we can to 31 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.200 get you through this. Let's explain what we do here most weekdays. I 32 00:01:56.359 --> 00:02:00.439 Jeff grub will will help explain what we do here will help peace your gaming 33 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:02.599 life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our own 34 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.120 original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the input of a bona 35 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.479 fide expert who will make me look smart. If you are watching live on 36 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:14.960 twitch welcome, You can always listen to the show later on podcast feeds by 37 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:19.479 searching for Game mess Warnings, or find the RSS on giant bomb dot com. 38 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.960 You can also catch the show later with chapters in timestamps on YouTube. 39 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.240 Hello Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get into, 40 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.840 so let's start the morning Mess with EA is laying off around six hundred and 41 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:37.199 seventy people sunsetting unspecified games. We got a little more specificity there. We'll 42 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:42.039 get into that as well. This comes from Georgiang at GameSpot. Electronic Arts 43 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:44.800 has announced that it will be laying off five percent of its staff, or 44 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:49.199 around six hundred and seventy people. Let's stop there. That is kind of 45 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.280 so far, because many of those employees are going that they're also gonna lay 46 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.439 off later, are in like the consultation period in other countries where they legally 47 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.560 have to do that, and so more will probably be coming after the end 48 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:05.080 of the fiscal year, so around April May more people will be joining the 49 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.719 six hundred and seventy. It probably will be closer to eight percent by the 50 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:10.199 time you're done. And this is on top of them laying off like six 51 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:15.439 percent of their staff last year. The company will also start sunsetting an unspecified 52 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:21.919 number of games and move away from developing certain licensed IP games. E explained 53 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.000 that it does not believe that some future license IP would be successful in our 54 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:31.319 changing industry. Shawn the whiplash man the absolute whiplash because it's like these companies 55 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:36.520 and let's be clear, I was hearing it out of EA. EA's the 56 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.159 company that was like, the reason we're investing in Star Wars and Marvel still, 57 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:43.639 it's because it's really expensive to make our own IP and it's really risky, 58 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.759 so we're going to go out there and license these IP. Months later 59 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:50.919 they're like, lash, shit doesn't work. It is it's rough out there, 60 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.280 Okay, six hundred and seventy people more losing their jobs. This joins 61 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:59.199 a growing number that is fast approaching ten thousand people laid out this year. 62 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.080 If it's not already there, it's not even March yet, Jeff, what 63 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:04.919 the fuck? It's yes, it's not it tomorrow will be March, so 64 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:09.439 yes, we're just two months into the year. Yeah, what the fuck? 65 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.800 It feels like If you are someone who is trying to get in this 66 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:16.759 industry to make games, I don't know what to tell you. If you're 67 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:21.879 someone who has been in this industry making games, I think we're gonna be 68 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.120 waiting to hear from a lot of these people like what it's actually like. 69 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:30.279 But all of them already mostly seem very discouraged. And we'll get into like 70 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.879 why this is happening, as we always do when we talk about these stories. 71 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:39.639 But what's your initial reaction? My initial reaction is this fucking sucks. 72 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:44.720 I saw this what come in last night? Was it that the news broke? 73 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:46.680 And I just the first thing I thought to myself, Jeff, was 74 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:51.160 we have to be running out of companies that can be making cuts at this 75 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:55.800 point, right, Like, surely this will slow down at some point, 76 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:00.680 But it feels like legitimately every or every other day, we hear more and 77 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:04.360 more of these layoff reports happening. It's always a staggering number of people. 78 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:10.879 I hate it. Yeah, it's I on yesterday's show, we talked about 79 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.480 the layoffs and I said, I've been hearing that more were coming, and 80 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.319 I didn't know who it was. I've heard now these these were the layoffs 81 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:21.240 that I was hearing murmurs about. It was coming out of EA. Uh, 82 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:26.360 and now what I what I do here is, Hey, the sources 83 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.279 that I've tapped for this sort of information haven't heard about anymore. And then 84 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.680 immediately after that, I got a different sources like, yeah, other companies 85 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:38.720 that maybe having some problems, So we'll see. It's uh, clearly we're 86 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.680 not through it. Clearly there will be more problems going forward. We just 87 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.439 talked about how you know they're going to get through the consultation period and probably 88 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:48.600 let more more people go here at EA. This has led a lot of 89 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.519 people to be like, what is happening in the industry? Is this a 90 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:55.519 crash? And and you know, I had a thread on Twitter this morning 91 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.399 trying and explain, like, let's let's be clear what's happening. This is 92 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:02.439 not a crash. A crash imply a industry wide recession. But the industry 93 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.279 is making less money than it was making before. People are spending less money 94 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:09.800 on this hobby than they have before, and all indicators suggest that is not 95 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:14.360 happening. If anything, people are spending more money. It's just mostly a 96 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:19.480 shift that these companies were either unprepared for or or like misappropriated funds when they 97 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:24.120 were trying to figure out like how to capitalize on a going forward and they 98 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:28.839 are looking for that quarterly growth. It's like such a frustrating, mundane, 99 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.600 boring and like casually evil answer. That's like all these people got laid off 100 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:38.480 because these companies are literally just worried about the very next quarter. They're not 101 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:42.600 worried about long term growth, not worried about keeping the people that make the 102 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:46.439 games happy. It is just this very next quarter that they're worried about. 103 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.040 Because previous to this they were getting growth. All these companies, we're getting 104 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:55.680 growth either by acquiring studios or using a lot of borrowing a lot of money 105 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.040 for very cheap to make a lot of big bets, and that enabled them 106 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:00.360 to get some growth. You're there and it's like, okay, we got 107 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.319 we're setting ourselves up for the future, and now all of that stuff has 108 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.240 been kind of taken off the table because capital is very expensive, borrowing money 109 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:09.720 is very expensive. We talk about that a lot. That's still true, 110 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:14.399 it's more true than ever. And these companies are looking around like, hey, 111 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.240 we are not seeing like organic growth from a ton of new people coming 112 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.839 into the spaces where we typically sell games, and so how do we get 113 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:26.120 growth. Well, we're gonna cut our costs and we're gonna have fewer people 114 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:30.040 that we're gonna pay and that's where the quote unquote growth is gonna come from. 115 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.720 And when investors see that, they're like, Yay, that's great, 116 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:38.079 that's what we like. Yeah. Yeah, And it's that it's that simple 117 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:42.680 and that frustrating, and so like it's not like, oh, the fewer 118 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:46.560 people are interested in games, that's just not happening. Everything else is working. 119 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:51.240 Yeah, and it's I mean, there are obviously market shifts. We 120 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:57.680 talked about Triple A gaming being unsustainable. That is differently still true, and 121 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.480 yet at the same time, many of these games do come along and sell 122 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.279 very very well. Uh. I don't necessarily know what to tell people like 123 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.639 to get like to be like, ohkay, hey, this is all sunshine 124 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.079 and rainbows. No, that's not what we're saying. It's just not some 125 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:16.399 market force coming down from on high and forcing these companies into this scenario. 126 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.160 It is this doing them. They're doing this to themselves. They are making 127 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.480 these decisions and they should own them. It is the executives deciding, Hey, 128 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.920 we are prioritizing immediate growth because we're worried about what the stock price is 129 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.120 going to do next quarter. And that's it. And I don't know what 130 00:08:31.159 --> 00:08:35.320 to do about that. Yeah, there's just I mean, it feels like 131 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.840 a lot of bad business decisions to me. Namely, you want more stuff 132 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.240 out the door, so what are you doing firing the people who make the 133 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:48.440 stuff? Yes, that's just Yeah, something I talked about with some sources 134 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:50.159 and they were like, yeah, we're all worried about this, though we 135 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.480 don't get it, like like cutting some of these license games at EA, 136 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:56.879 Like it's expensive to pay the license. That's one of the thicksy're trying to 137 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.840 avoid here, but have to like give a certain percentage to Disney five years 138 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.279 from now is better than having zero revenue coming in because you don't have a 139 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.200 game to put out. And that feels like the situation they're putting themselves in. 140 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.360 So I don't get it. Sean, Yeah, like if you're making 141 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.799 you know, the sorry I forget which one they would be making, but 142 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:20.639 like an Iron Man game or whatever, like everything's alrighty there, you know 143 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.919 what that's going to be. And so like they don't have to they don't 144 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:30.440 have to spend that time and money because time is money in game development. 145 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.000 They don't have to spend that on making the original IP. So there's always 146 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.759 trade offs and everything, Like they're always figuring this stuff out. It's just 147 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:41.279 things just don't add up. And why don't they add up? Because all 148 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:45.039 they're concerned about is, you know, looking better to the shareholders and everything, 149 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:48.440 like we have I see you have a quote here from Grade A dumb 150 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.279 ass CEO Andrew Wilson. Jeff has has he announced how he's being affected by 151 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.480 this at all. If he has, it would be he would be saying, 152 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:58.080 I am not affected by this at all. In fact, like yeah, 153 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.519 I wonder why that is. I mean, if this affects him, 154 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:03.720 it's it's only a positive, right if the stock price goes up, like 155 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.679 he gets paid usually in stock options, so it's a good thing for him. 156 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.720 He's encouraged me to do this. I mean, that's how it is 157 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:16.240 with all this shit, Like you see these layoffs and it's like I hate 158 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.679 to bring it up almost because it sound like a broken record at this point, 159 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.600 but it really is like the rich gang rich are off the backs of 160 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.399 the people at the bottom hard is trying their best to make the art that 161 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.360 they love. I mean, it's frustrating. We've been doing the show a 162 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.120 long time and from now and from the beginning, like you'd be like, 163 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.600 I always see comment say why is capitalism come up on every episode, and 164 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:41.279 it's like, because it defines everything that is happening in this industry. We 165 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:46.559 are working within the confines of that system, and it's going to inevitably lead 166 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.440 us to situations like this, and so we bring it up because it's it's 167 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:52.960 unavoidable. It's in everything, and that makes it Sometimes it's hard to see 168 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.639 it, which is why we talk about it, and it's and it's hard 169 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:01.240 to say anything else other than yeah, here we are yet again, because 170 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.759 this industry is it cannot live outside of that system, and it's like, 171 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:07.919 what alternatives are there? Sean, I mean, I'm like, hey, 172 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:13.519 I love the idea of more public funding for video games. I mean five 173 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.879 hundred million dollars games from the US government, but that's the thing. Maybe 174 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.759 that's the problem. Maybe ambition is too high for some of these things. 175 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.559 I see some teams flourishing right now, Jeff, And you know who those 176 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:31.720 teams are, Indies. Indies are doing fantastic right now because smaller team, 177 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.799 smaller scope, and they put out something that is smaller in general, and 178 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.480 that is the stuff that rises to the top on Steam nowadays and doing really 179 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.320 well. And you get all these gigantic companies trying to chase after that. 180 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.679 They spend so much money, so much time trying to recreate some success of 181 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.000 either a small game or a flash in the pan like a Fortnite you know, 182 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.960 these bottle blightning moments. You can't artificially create that. And them chase 183 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.519 and not wanting to take responsibility for their fuck ups is how we end up 184 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:07.919 in these situations. Yeah, I mean, I think like combining a realistic 185 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:16.240 ambition with robust funding from the public would be a really fun and fantastic alternative 186 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.639 in my opinion, not a full alternative. It doesn't replace the entire industry 187 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.000 obviously, at least it doesn't seem like it could. But like just starting 188 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:28.840 somewhere, like even like Canada has a pretty decent subsidy program for a lot 189 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.919 of games, which is why a lot of games get made in Canada. 190 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:33.879 And it's like, man, it seems like, you know, just about 191 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.279 as many games get made in Canada as the United States, and the population 192 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.519 difference, the you know, the size of the economy there. It's like, 193 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.639 that should not be the case. It should be like, oh, 194 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.320 America's making that minute much more because there's more people and all this stuff. 195 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.720 But it's like, no, Canada funds a lot of that stuff, and 196 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:50.840 a lot of it is triple A games, some of it, many of 197 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:56.039 them are the biggest games in the world. So clearly there is more we 198 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:00.879 could be doing in order to bypass the pitfalls of capitalists. And if this 199 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.080 stuff sounds scary to you, I just I don't care, honestly, like 200 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.399 we are diagnosing a real problem that we see before our very eyes. The 201 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:15.639 idea, the benefits of capitalism are supposed to be that people are encouraged to 202 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:20.360 take risks, People are encouraged to take on their own enterprises because that means 203 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.960 more options will be in the market and people have more stuff to choose from, 204 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.440 and then they could choose the very best one and that's and all the 205 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.600 money should flow in that direction, and that will encourage even more people to 206 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:33.240 take risks. And we can look on the ground and see that is not 207 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.919 happening for a certain subset of video gaming, mostly at the top. And 208 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:41.159 so the system is broken here, let's talk about it. Are there any 209 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.840 ways to sort of either deal with it or do we just like, you 210 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.279 know, we can just let it fail? I suppose, and that's fine 211 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.279 too. There are there's some reasons, the reasons to suggest that. But 212 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.720 people are getting hurt, and it's usually the people at the bottom, not 213 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:56.759 the people the top, And so there's more problems worth diagnosing and worth figuring 214 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.320 out what can we do about that? And yet we just act like it 215 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.080 is the course of nature taking its course. Oh, nothing to be done 216 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.360 about it. And it's very very frustrating that we are here constantly right now, 217 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.720 and when we when it feels like, man, if we just thought 218 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.639 about this a little bit more, we could be in better situations. I 219 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.200 don't expect better from EA and Microsoft and Sony and all these companies. I 220 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.639 really don't so, but I do think that there that doesn't mean there's nothing 221 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:31.679 to be done here. The other side of this with the licensed IP games. 222 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.480 The thing I've heard is that EA was very excited about not paying FIFA. 223 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.559 They're like, man, that rule, bet that that look for a 224 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:46.960 hundred million dollars saved is one hundred million dollars earned. And now they're like 225 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:50.159 looking around, like we should just do this all over the place. And 226 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:54.279 so that has them reconsidering all these things. Now. You know, we'll 227 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.840 talk about one of the games they canceled, but they do have actively in 228 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.600 development games you mentioned, like the the Iron Man. I think that's one 229 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.120 of them, Black Panther and that y's Iron Man and Black Panther, And 230 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:07.240 I think, yes, I started just losing track. Yes, it's all 231 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.879 kind of been a flog up there. Even though, like I said, 232 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:11.720 I did some of the reporting on that stuff, it's all fog. And 233 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.000 then there's the you know, other Star Wars games, and it's like, 234 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.799 man, are these studios concerned about EA losing interest in what they're doing it. 235 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.720 I mean, they might be contractually obligated, but you know, are 236 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.399 they not going to renew that contract if even if the game does well because 237 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:31.080 they want to avoid paying the licensing fee to these companies. Seems like that 238 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.440 might be the case, and it's got to be so frustrating for these teams 239 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.279 because they almost certainly have spent the last couple of years coming up with pitches 240 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:43.600 with that involve IP because that's what EA wanted to make, that's what they 241 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.039 wanted to hear and wanted to do because they thought that was the less risky 242 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.759 option, And now to have that suddenly change overnight and be like, all 243 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.720 right, now we want original ips. It's what We've completely deprecated that side 244 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.120 of our business and now you want to go back to it. How are 245 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.080 we even supposed to believe that this is going to last not change as well? 246 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.120 Right? Right? People are people are working within these companies are trying 247 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.759 to balance this all out because it feels like there's a lot of executives who 248 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:14.080 don't understand game development fundamentally. I'm not saying everyone's like that, but this 249 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.480 feels like there's a lot of them making these decisions and they just don't understand. 250 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.120 You can't just change, you know, on a whim. And why 251 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.960 I say that, it means like even like within a year or so, 252 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.159 it's pretty on a whim. For how long it takes to develop a video 253 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.360 game like I saw and you retweeted this the ore day. That's how I 254 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:36.000 saw it. But Herada was tweeting about you know, he's been tweeting so 255 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:37.759 much since Stacana comes out. We can't stop that, man, we can't 256 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.960 stop it from tweeting. But one of the interesting things he tweeted out was 257 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.039 how he, you know, as a high level producer at Bandy Namco, 258 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:51.759 how he is seeing more and more people get into executive positions who aren't like 259 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:56.200 him, who started as coders, as sound designers, et cetera, and 260 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:02.080 so they don't quite understand that like vision for projects and how it takes a 261 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:04.759 lot of time to build these things up. You can't just like chase the 262 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:10.119 new trend that's happening everywhere, like I mentioned earlier, with like indies and 263 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:11.799 everything like that, which, by the way, people point out indies are 264 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.279 struggling to find funding sometimes too. That's true. Yes, but also you 265 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.240 get stuff like you know, a Billattro where it's like you know, a 266 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.160 person, a couple of people. That's the type of happening all the time, 267 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.480 yes, exactly. Yeah, the ones that just like a small team 268 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:30.160 makes a small thing and it takes off and you can't. These executives are 269 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.720 just like, well, we need the success. Where's the success. Let's 270 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.799 chase the success. And you can't just immediately drop everything that you're doing, 271 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:41.960 like turned about and then go chase that. You need a longer term plan. 272 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:45.400 And it seems like to me at least, there's a lot of chasing 273 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.920 trends that's happening, and that's why we're ending up in these situations where you 274 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.559 had them going, okay, let's go with license IPE. Oh, the 275 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.480 license IP thing did work. We need a pivot, and then and then 276 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.960 they're looking at the costs and it's like, we didn't put out as big 277 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:00.240 games as we thought we would put Yeah, so where are we gonna make 278 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.640 cuts? And that's how we end up in this situation. Yeah, And 279 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:08.680 it's I think clearly there is a stagnation in the market that's happening in places 280 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:15.599 that is difficult for the industry to deal with. I think there is forecasting 281 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.279 looking forward about like hey, when we look, I mean mapis Catel put 282 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:25.480 out that chart of young people not buying as many consoles as gen Z or 283 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.880 gen X and the millennials did, and it's like, oh, man, 284 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:32.599 that's maybe a bad sign. If they are less willing to buy into these 285 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:37.559 ecosystems, that means the games that are primarily making their money through those ecosystems 286 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:41.920 might have less of a chance. And that's definitely all probably true, But 287 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.519 that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of money still going into the industry. 288 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.000 It is just going into different places. And it's like that that has 289 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:52.319 been true of video gaming from the very beginning when I started up top saying, 290 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:56.920 the one constant games is that it's always changing. It is constantly disrupting 291 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:02.960 itself and sometimes that is like very violent looking, and it's just it's exacerbated 292 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:08.039 by these companies that have to prioritize their profits, their quarterly growth and they 293 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.920 don't care about any of the other things that are happening here, and it 294 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.480 makes it all feel like it's coming tumbling down because they are the primary source 295 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.720 of these biggest video games, and we just it does feel like we are 296 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.839 at a point where we need to collectively move past looking to these companies for 297 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.640 our entertainment and should be like, like you said, the indie space and 298 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:32.319 a variety of other sources. Yeah, all all up the stack. Looking 299 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.119 at more like double A things, look at the smaller games that even trip 300 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:40.319 A studios are playing out, like just recognizing that a video game does not 301 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:42.480 need to look like the Last of Us. It does not need to look 302 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:48.839 like Years of War. Like gaming comes in all forms and like you can 303 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.160 just look a little harder and you'll find someone you like them might you might 304 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:57.559 not have expected. And the part of the problem here you mentioned like the 305 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:03.160 kids now wined to buy consoles as much nowadays and stuff, because that's where 306 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.240 they're at now. They're on their phones, they're on their tablets. Like 307 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:11.279 we've talked about how a lot of people don't realize how big mobile gaming is. 308 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:15.039 Actually stop and think about why mobile gaming would be popular. It's because 309 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.559 all these kids got their phones already. So why do they play Fortnite on 310 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:22.160 their phones? Why are they playing Call of Duty Mobile? Like you know, 311 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.799 Jan mentioned that his partner has a friend group where they talked about playing 312 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:29.960 Call of Duty. But they didn't mean on their xboxes and PlayStations. They 313 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.079 meant Call of Duty Mobile on their phones. Why are they doing it because 314 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.319 that's the system they got. And you know, I think us in the 315 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:40.720 hardcore gaming crowd are quick to despairg that, but no, that's just a 316 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.960 different way of playing. And like we can talk till to our lips turned 317 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.759 blue about like gotcha and how there's predatory stuff and earthing like that. But 318 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.359 just yeah, just the industry is shifting, is constantly changing, like you 319 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:57.880 said, and I think people just need everyone Everyone just needs to think about 320 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.920 things a little bit differently. And that's how again, situations like Heckxbox and 321 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:06.440 PlayStations, they're not playing out a ton of games right now, neither of 322 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:11.119 them are. You've been talking a lot about what PlayStation one now what fucking 323 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:15.559 I don't know, because like what are you gonna do with this console installed? 324 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.319 Bas it's still good, but take you like six years to put out 325 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.759 a freaking game. So like, I don't know, I'm not I don't 326 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.400 have the answers. I'm not claiming to have the answers, but doesn't mean 327 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:27.359 that I can't look at this and say, well, this isn't the answer, 328 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.200 like all of this right now. Yeah, and it's uh. I 329 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.920 think if we kind of move away from like okay, well you know this 330 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.240 isn't I wouldn't define this as a crash. So what is it. Clearly 331 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.440 things are collapsing in some parts of the market, and it's very if those 332 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.000 if that's where you go for gaming, uh that that you're you're going to 333 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.559 feel that very deeply. So I understand that. And when you look at 334 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.599 like a couple of years from now, like I think we all believe that 335 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.640 there will be fewer games from these companies, and that's that is going to 336 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:00.640 feel very noticeable in a time like coming. We're like really just coming out 337 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:02.759 of like, hey, there used to be an E three and now there 338 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:04.759 isn't. But when there was an E three, it was like big games 339 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.160 announced every summer that would come out that holiday, and it's like that was 340 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.880 just a couple of years ago. And now we're in a world where it's 341 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.279 like that feels like it was just a couple of years ago, but media 342 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:17.880 it was a little longer since that. Really, Yeah, no, I 343 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:19.359 see in the grand scheme of the industry, like it's still a couple of 344 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.160 years ago. You're right, it's a little bit longer than that. You 345 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.920 know, even like counting Summer Gamefest and all that stuff. It's like, 346 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.119 you know, there's a fewer companies participating in that but there's still some. 347 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.799 But it's like there was a time when it was just felt normal for big 348 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.039 games get announced, come out that holiday, and that was how it should 349 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.680 be and how it will always be. And now we're going to get like 350 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:42.799 a couple of years away from this, and we will be in a world 351 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:47.200 where these companies are even more afraid to make new games than they have been 352 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:51.559 already, which was very afraid, And that is going to feel that's going 353 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.000 to continue to feel to some people like, hey, something has crashed here 354 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:57.799 now. I mean for me, when people say crash, like I think 355 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:02.559 the nineteen eighty three game market crash, and it's just actual crash and it's 356 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:07.240 just nowhere near that. I mean, if you are losing interest in spending 357 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:10.279 money in video games, like that's gonna be today's pull question. We're like, 358 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:12.559 are you less interested in video games these days? Like? Is that 359 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:17.000 really happen? Are you spending more time on other hobbies? I My hunt 360 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:22.000 here is broadly no. I think most people who have been into gaming continue 361 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:25.519 to be in gaming, and they're spending about the same, if not more 362 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:29.640 money than they have been over the last several years. It's just it is 363 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.480 probably going into and this is the other side, This is a stagnation. 364 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.599 Maybe a lot of that money is going into the same games it's been going 365 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.720 into since like twenty seventeen, Fortnite, Call of Duty, a handful of 366 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:44.720 other things, and that's that's its own problem to solve, I think. 367 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.279 But to me, that goes back to we need alternative forms of funding rather 368 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:53.000 than just relying on the whims of publicly traded companies. Yeah, exactly, 369 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:57.839 all right. EA is shuddering Marcus Laedo's Ridgeline Games, with some moving to 370 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:03.119 Ripple Effect to continue work work on Battlefield. This comes from Cap Bailey at 371 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.880 IgM. EA is shuttering Ridgeline Games with Studio with the studio co founded by 372 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.559 former Halo developer Marcus Laedo that was tasked with developing the narrative campaign in the 373 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:17.319 next Battlefield. The closure follows words of Lato's departure earlier this week and coincides 374 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:22.160 with a broader restructuring announced earlier today that we'll see EA layoff some six hundred 375 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:26.519 and seventy employees ABD to shift away from future licensed ips. The work that 376 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:30.000 was begun on the Battlefield single player campaign will continue. I believe it's moving 377 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:36.319 over to Criterion instead. This is you know, as we get these layoffs, 378 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:41.000 this is another thing we've seen more often than not, they also include 379 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.519 one or two studio closures. That's not something we were seeing last year. 380 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.079 Last year we'd be like, we're laying off five to eight six percent people 381 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:49.920 like in that range. Now this year it's like, well, we're also 382 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:53.839 laying Yeah, we're laying off five to eight percent of our workforce and also 383 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:59.880 we're closing down entire studios. This was a team that, like you did, 384 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.839 It started relatively recently, and it just feels like one of those things 385 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:04.079 where these companies so like, hey, we are we're growing. This where 386 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:07.640 the growth is going to come from, and now we don't think we're growing, 387 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.160 so immediately pull the ripcord and get a whole studio out of here. 388 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:17.759 It's frustrating, Yeah, definitely. It just ties into everything we're just talking 389 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:22.319 about there. There's a lot of frustration going on. I guess, well, 390 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.559 on the bright side, it looks like Battlefield's potential return. Mike continue, 391 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:32.720 Yeah, because twenty forty two. God, I hate their numbering scheme. 392 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.400 That game sucked. I'm a Battlefield guy. I've been playing them since 393 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:41.920 nineteen foard two back in my crappy old PC back in the day, and 394 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:48.160 yeah, that game sucks. So I mean, I'm sorry, Jeff, 395 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:49.759 I'm just trying to find a diamond in the rough Sewmer you're in all this 396 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:56.279 negative news. So yeah, I mean, I'm curious about Battlefield Future all 397 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:59.519 the time, where it's like, it felt like twenty forty two was a 398 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.319 misstep out of the gate for me, because I'm like, you aren't. 399 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:06.279 This is your first Battlefield game that you were releasing into a world that now 400 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.160 does have several massive free to play shooters that you need to compete with, 401 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.960 and you're going to be a seventy dollars game. How is that going to 402 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.960 work for you? It's like, I don't know. Even if you were 403 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.079 a great game, I think that people would have struggled to get over that 404 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.720 hump. Obviously, if it's like like a game that people cannot ignore, 405 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:23.359 people will pay the money, they will show up for it. That does 406 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.880 happen. But it's like, man, you just do set yourself at a 407 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.279 disadvantage if you're not a free to play shooter in this in this day and 408 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.480 age, and even then people will be crick because, Jeff, we've heard 409 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.640 people say, oh, Halo Infinite is absolute dog shit, and you know, 410 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.839 we're like, well, why do you think that the Batt'll pass is 411 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:45.920 bad? I'm what the fuck are you talking about that? Yes? Well 412 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:49.039 yeah, yeah, if that's the problem that games are dealing with these days, 413 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.640 yeah, be coming in as a seventy dollars multiplayer only game. That 414 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:59.200 was that was where you started your brons right there, Buddy Lado said he's 415 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:00.759 taking time away from me games, which is like, seems to be another 416 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.599 thing here. That a theme we will get into here in a second with 417 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:10.799 another news story where multiple major game creators are kind of talking in similar ways. 418 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.200 The game that was canceled though, that one of the games that we 419 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.920 know was canceled is EA Respawns Star Wars first person Shooter, the thing that 420 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.960 was just in the news a couple of weeks ago. I think you might 421 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.640 be able to put two and two together there about maybe why that was in 422 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.559 the news a couple of weeks ago. Maybe someone at that studio was trying 423 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.720 to get excitement out there so that EA wouldn't cancel it. This is Andy 424 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:37.119 Robinson oft VGC Electronic Arts is canceled an in development Star Wars first person shooter 425 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.640 at Respawn announced in twenty twenty two. The first person shooter game was being 426 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.559 held by former Lucas Arts veteran and Medal of Honor co creator Peter Hirshman, 427 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.720 who previously worked on the original Battlefront games, The Force Unleashed and more. 428 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.960 In a statement published on Wednesday alongside the announcement of nearly seven hundred company wide 429 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:00.000 layoffs, EA Entertainment President Lauren Meill, Melee said that after a review, 430 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.160 it had decided Respond should focus on the on the Jedi and Apex Legends series 431 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:10.759 instead. Response unique ability to connect with players and create exceptional game experiences is 432 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.319 unrivaled in entertainment. As we've looked at response portfolio over the last few months, 433 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.880 what's clear is is the games our players are most excited about. Our 434 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:23.559 Jedi and Responds rich library of owned brands. It's because we you fucking haven't 435 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:26.680 let us see the game. I bet we'll be very excited about it. 436 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:33.240 Then what are you talking about? This sucks? They like, listen, 437 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.920 this sucks. I think I'm in the part of the grief grieving period where 438 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.200 I've accepted titan Fall three isn't going to happen. I haven't. I can't 439 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:44.920 believe you took away from me. Jeff done, most of you haven't. 440 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.640 I get it. Uh man, I saw some cool shit about that game. 441 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:52.599 Uh it is. I was like, what made it easier? Is 442 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:57.359 okay? Maybe they could take some of that energy into this project, right, 443 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:00.279 and we could see some of that stuff manifested here. Like even like 444 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.680 that last round of rumors, you know, tom over Insider Gaming was a 445 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.119 report about it again that like got me thinking about it again. It's like, 446 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.000 hey, they were talking about making stuff that felt like Haites in titan 447 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:14.000 Fall three. I hope that comes over here where they're trying to make this 448 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.319 high octane shooter in Star Wars where you maybe play as a Mandalorian or something 449 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.079 like that. But they're chess haack good. But they're good at and it 450 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:22.599 all makes sense. So like, let's get that going. And it's not 451 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.079 like that was the road they were going down. And you know, there 452 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.000 are little titbits here and there from people who worked on the game and they're 453 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.960 just they're really bummed. They really liked this game. They were really excited 454 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.279 for people to see it. They like, that's the thing I keep hearing. 455 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.640 And it's like they believed in what they were making because they were playing 456 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.319 it and they thought it was very good. It's like, why are we 457 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.000 in a world where the people making the game, especially at a studio like 458 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.680 Respawn that knows how to make a fucking game, why aren't they getting the 459 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.160 chance to see this through. I know it's two years out. I know 460 00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:56.680 it's a lot of money. I know you got to give a lot of 461 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.480 money to Disney. At the end, you still get some money. I 462 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.599 don't know. I don't get it, but I don't get it, truck. 463 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.039 But also like I don't know, sounds not coming together to me because 464 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:14.359 yeah, Jedi, yeah, Apex like throwing them a bone, like you 465 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.119 know what they got the goods? Yeah. Yeah. Like at a certain 466 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.880 point you need to do things like this. You need to let the company 467 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:25.599 have a passion project and let them just put out, you know, something 468 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.799 that feels cool and even that, I don't think that's what this game really 469 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:32.680 even is. It's like a Star Wars game that like is going to you 470 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.559 talk about like the giffable moments in games and like how you need to sell 471 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.440 a game on that on social media and on TikTok and shorts and stuff like 472 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:45.400 that. This game is that, and it's Star Wars. People will have 473 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.240 been like, what's that clone trooper doing? Yo, Like that is the 474 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.880 kind of thing that would have been popping off on the internet. So just 475 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:57.279 so much of this doesn't add up to me. Yeah, there is still 476 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.519 that I can't and I can't remember the name of the director of titan Fall 477 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.400 one offhand, but he's still, at least as far as I'm aware, 478 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:10.480 has his skunk Works team that is working on another passion project, and he's 479 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:14.119 been kicking around for quite some time. I have no idea like where that 480 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:15.839 is on the process, Like you know that that who knows, one day 481 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.440 that game could get canceled. It back that game was in early development, 482 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.000 even though it's been in development for years. They spend a lot of time 483 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.480 on the prototyping phase at response. That's how that happens. But last I 484 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.960 heard, that's still happening. So hopefully that they can keep one of their 485 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.799 passion projects at the very least. But it did sound like a lot of 486 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:40.200 very excellent creative energy was going into the Star Wars first person shooter and it's 487 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:42.480 insane that they are not seeing this one through. It's like, man ea, 488 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:47.519 you like you have canceled all those other Star Wars games, you figured 489 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.079 it out with respawn, Let them go do their thing, and it's like 490 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.200 nope, even that gets pulled out from underneath underneath them, and you know, 491 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.240 it really is about they look at how much more money it's going to 492 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.200 cost them complete that game, and they're worried about the profit margins. That's 493 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.319 it really is. That's all this. Yeah, we did the story on 494 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.880 Game this Morning is a few months ago, maybe last year sometime. We're 495 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.079 like talked about like what a company looks for when they green light a game, 496 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.960 and it's about EEA these companies, it's about fifteen percent. Obviously, 497 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.880 the ideal is to have infinite profit margin for a game that just makes money 498 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.519 forever and ever and ever. But generally when they're looking at a game like 499 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.039 a single player first person shooter in the Star Wars genre, they want a 500 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.720 profit margin of about fifteen percent, and that becomes harder and harder to come 501 00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.359 by because of all the cuts that come from licensing a game. But so 502 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:37.480 what you started it, let respond make it it's the stinks. Yeah, 503 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.759 definitely. All right, let's take a quick break. When we get back 504 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:51.519 a few more headlines, we'll talk about all that right after this. All 505 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.559 right, we're back and Star Wars n's in the Old Republic remake dev Saber 506 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:59.960 Interactive, although I would know them as the mud Runner dev escapes them break 507 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.599 in a five hundred million dollar deal. This is from Wesley Yanpool at ign 508 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.440 by way of Jason Schreier over at Bloomberg. Star Wars Nights of the Old 509 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:13.160 Republic remake developers Saber Interactive has reportedly left embattled a parent company, Embracer, 510 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.200 in a five hundred million dollar deal to become a privately owned company. Bloomberg 511 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.559 reports the troubled Star Wars Nights of the Old Republic remake is still in the 512 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.599 works, although question marks remain over whether it will ever come actually come out. 513 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.480 And just a reminder, when I heard of that game was done, 514 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.240 it was by way of like Sony. It's like Sony is pretty much done 515 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:35.160 with that game. And then I heard quickly after saying that that there are 516 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.920 people at Saber who are still working on the project. What all of this 517 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.119 means for that, I think I'm with Jason, who knows if it ever 518 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.119 actually comes out, but apparently someone is still working on the game over there. 519 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.720 In November, Embracer CEO Lars Winger first refused to answer a question about 520 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:57.240 the Koto remake. Blah blah blah. This is part of a major restructuring 521 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.160 net Embracer, which is this is why the industry is right. You've ever 522 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.039 been in a car with a driver that's like never that never coasts, They 523 00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.159 never like let off the gas. They only go it's either gas or break. 524 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:12.280 That's that's what the industry is doing as like as a whole. And 525 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.199 it's like, this is the most guilty company where Embracers like acquire, acquire, 526 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.440 acquire, sell, sell, sell, and there was no period where 527 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.599 it was just like, let's see what happens with all this stuff we acquired. 528 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:27.599 It's nuts. They're also going to try to sell Gearbox. They are 529 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:31.880 almost certainly going to find someone to sell Gearbox too. But I hey, 530 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.639 Saber and Interactive is a talented studio with a lot of very like like, 531 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.239 they're very engineer focused, they're very good at ports. They did that impossible 532 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:45.000 port of Wicher to the switch, so they have the Child The Crisis remastered 533 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.800 on Switch, which was that was nutty. Yes, getting like Smogie working 534 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.719 on the switch and everything, which is like rate tracing the light like that 535 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.000 was wild. It's it's it's wild, and it's a it's a studio worth 536 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.320 like preserving. And I'm glad that they are able to get out of the 537 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.199 Saber Earth, get out of this Embracer hole. I don't necessarily know what 538 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.800 it means for them now to be privately owned in terms of, Okay, 539 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.840 do they are they going to find someone else to buy them, or are 540 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.880 they going to be in major debt now that they're privately owned. There's some 541 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.360 question marks surrounding that, but at the very least, I think they are 542 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.920 better off now than they were being under Embracer, Right, Yeah, I 543 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:24.960 mean Embracer is just crumbling, like which who could have seen this happening? 544 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.400 Jeff, who could have seen? But they were just lay up all these 545 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.960 studios and we're like only every single person that ever read a new story about 546 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.719 Embracer, Yes, yeah, we're like, what what are they doing over 547 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.199 there? And as it turns out, they didn't know what they were doing 548 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.280 over there. They had no plan. They just thought, well, magically, 549 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:44.119 you know, the money's gonna come in, right, We're just gonna 550 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:45.840 buy all these companies, these companies and make money. We'll make the money. 551 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:50.159 And then they had no plan for like managing them and everything like that, 552 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:54.360 and what happens Old Plank goes belly up. M h shocker. It's 553 00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.480 uh yeah, it is like one of the least surprising things that ended up 554 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.679 in this situation. We begged for large Winger first to tell us what he 555 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.679 was thinking all along, never ever really said turned out because there was no 556 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.559 plan here we are. I hope Saber is able to keep going. They 557 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.280 literally have a game, literally have a game coming out this next month with 558 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.360 bud Runder Expeditions, and I hope that they get a chance to just support 559 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.360 that game. That that those games have a huge community, they could sell 560 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.360 very well. I hope there about skin Ass, Like yeah, joking aside, 561 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.480 I know you know you're a second them, but how do they actually 562 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:34.039 do? They do? They do very well. They're like one of those 563 00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.960 games that's like, oh, they do like a decent amount of concurrence on 564 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:44.199 Steam all the time, and there's like a huge community creation space on YouTube. 565 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.000 One of those truck simulator, things like your truck where it's like they 566 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.559 secretly have a lot of people. Yes, absolutely, that's exactly the case 567 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.800 with with this franchise. So I hope that they're able to like reap some 568 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.840 of that reward because it seems like expeditions could be very good. At least 569 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:02.480 I hope it is all right. Insomniac calls this week's layoffs a solemn and 570 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:07.840 unprecedented moment for the studio. This is from Tom Ivan f VGC. Insomniac 571 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.360 Games has released a public statement in response to layoffs at the studio announced this 572 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:15.679 week by parent company Sony Interactive Entertainment. PlayStation set on Tuesday that it plans 573 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.599 to layoff nine hundred employees worldwide, or about eight percent of its workforce. 574 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.039 The move will include include staff cuts at Spider Man Studio, Insomniac and Last 575 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:30.280 of US developer Notody Dog in the United States. PlayStation's London studio meanwhile being 576 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:36.000 shut down. Like several other teams across SIE and PlayStation studios, Insomniac Games 577 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.920 was impacted by yesterday's layoffs. The company set in a message published to Twitter, 578 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:43.239 there are no sufficient words to express our feelings about it. This is 579 00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.639 a solemn and unprecedented, unprecedented moment for our studio. We are focusing our 580 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.880 energy on helping everyone affected through this challenging time. For those who are hiring, 581 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.239 there are great people seeking new roles who made important contributions to Insomniac's history. 582 00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.360 Were extremely grateful for them and they will be missed. Ah, this 583 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.719 is uh, you know, on on the heels of Spider Man to selling 584 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:08.320 a huge number of copies out of the gate, being one of the best 585 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.280 selling games of last year, and even they couldn't avoid this. We know 586 00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.760 that they are also the studio that has a number of massive games in the 587 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:22.239 works, including you know, a expand alone and Venom Spider Man three, 588 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.000 which they're planning to be over three hundred million dollars in terms of budget. 589 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.920 Obviously, I think part of this is addressing that we'll just have fewer people's 590 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.639 fewer people make that massive game, as if that's how that works. They're 591 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:35.559 making the X Men games. There will be multiple X Men games, and 592 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.400 these are all this a lot of the Insomniac leaks. This is a studio 593 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:44.920 that is you know, a keystone for the PlayStation strategy, and yet they're 594 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.480 like, hey, yeah, but we need you to do more with less. 595 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.360 And I get when people see that, like, how does this not 596 00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.800 feel like something is crashing down here? Right? Yeah? Like when a 597 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:59.360 studio as as we see them ableez, which I think we're not wrong in 598 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:04.480 those assets us as Insomniac, who has been propped up so much as kind 599 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.519 of the reason to own a PS five is the Insomniac games, you know, 600 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:10.800 the Spider Man's, the ratching clanks that they're playing out and stuff like 601 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.159 that. The fact that even they could be affected by something like this is 602 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:19.800 just a sign of again, to sound like a broken record everything we've been 603 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.599 talking about this episode, just this system being off and something being wrong here 604 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.599 and maybe poor judgment calls being made on all of this. Yeah, it's 605 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.039 And you know, I've seen some tweets from people who work in Insomniac who 606 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:37.519 have like been back in the office since that this happened, and they're like, 607 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.079 oh, now, it's it's like hitting me, like looking around, 608 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:43.440 how many people are gone, how many key people that were important to this 609 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.880 studio are gone. And we talk about the brain drain of people who are 610 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.440 carrying knowledge around leaving the industry. Well, a lot of the beer are 611 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.000 being laid off, But you gotta imagine if you're still you know, if 612 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:57.320 you're getting that survivorship guilt, like that's got to feel terrible as well. 613 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.119 Why wouldn't you maybe start looking around for something that is more sturdy and start 614 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.679 leaving the industry after feeling this way, after putting out a game that conquered 615 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.599 the world, you should not like you're like, wait, we did our 616 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:12.719 part. We made a game that's incredible and sold. Why are we now 617 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.800 feeling like we're getting punished? Which how how else do you read this other 618 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:21.360 than a punishment? I don't know exactly. Yeah, just man, it's 619 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.360 frustrating because and we know how expensive like the Spider Man ip is and everything 620 00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:29.960 like that, and so maybe the games just yeah, aren't making the money 621 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:34.280 that they're looking for and or something like that. But I mean, the 622 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.519 people who are affected by this are not the ones ultimately making the shots and 623 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:42.079 all this. So the fact that they're the ones who are again slapped in 624 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.360 the face and I was like, hey, congrats, you did a great 625 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.519 job. Hit kick rocks, you know, hit the bricks like yep, 626 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.800 it feels messed up. Five oh five Games is closing offices in Germany, 627 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:58.280 Spain, and frances is from Tom Henderson Insider Gaming. Just to clarify, 628 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.719 this is referring to the actual physical offices. A new report has revealed that 629 00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.760 five or five Games will be closing its offices in Germany, Spain, and 630 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.079 France. The news comes as part of the company's ongoing restructuring process that started 631 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.800 last year. The report, which comes courtesy of Game Reactor, states that 632 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.440 although several offices are closing, it's believed that the number of affected employees is 633 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.119 around ten. So there are infected employees. Obviously, people who are like 634 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.639 they pay to maintain these these offices, they're not going to they probably weren't 635 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.199 going to keep them up a board. But it seems like they're keeping most 636 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.519 of the staff that make the games. Not that that is somehow it makes 637 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:36.280 it better that ten people are losing their jobs. This is something we're seeing 638 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:37.760 a little bit more frequently as well. Some companies like thinking about, hey, 639 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:42.280 weeps pay a lot in real estate costs, you know, whether it's 640 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.760 renting or however they acquire these these actual physical locations. More and more studios 641 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.360 are going remote, although we heard like rock stars like demanding people go back 642 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.079 into the office this week, things like that. They would of course they 643 00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.719 would, right, But it's like, still many studios are you know that 644 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.639 new David Vondahar studio, the guy that was at Trail Care a very long 645 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.280 time, he started up a studio in Los Angeles, And then very quickly 646 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.719 in the next sentence, they're like, and this is going to be a 647 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.079 remote based studio, And it's like, of course it is, because they're 648 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.800 not going to pay Los Angeles game developer fees for a brand new studio across 649 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.000 the board. And so when you start thinking in that way, you start 650 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.840 thinking, hey, these studio and offices are maybe not necessarily worth it, 651 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.119 so this will probably keep happening as well. This does like you know, 652 00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:24.639 it's just like a bad sign for the games industry. It's like, not 653 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:30.079 necessarily, but this does speak to like the sort of downward spile spiral that 654 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.320 can happen. It's like, well, you know, real estate commercial real 655 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.800 estate experiences is a crash, and does that like seep over into other spaces. 656 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.679 It's like, yeah, that's not the video gaming industry's responsibility. But 657 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:45.960 they're like there are exterior market forces that can still have drastic effects on gaming 658 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:51.360 going forward, and this might be an early leading indicator that we're heading in 659 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.679 that way. We'll see. Yeah, and hey, maybe I'm a bit 660 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:59.119 biased here, but I think some companies can do some pretty cool stuff working 661 00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.559 primarily from home. You might be onto something there. I agree. Remedy 662 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.800 securre as it's connected universe by taking control of Control. This comes from Darren 663 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:13.880 BoNT Us at Game Spot. Remedy Entertainment has officially announced that it has acquired 664 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.400 the full rights to the Control franchise from five to ZHO five Games. The 665 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.880 new new deal will give Remedy the full rights to control its upcoming sequel and 666 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.800 the multiplayer spin off, code named Condor, with all the publishing, distribution, 667 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.880 marketing and other rights licensed to five oh five Games reverting back to the 668 00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:34.239 developer. As part of Remedy's long term strategy to have more ownership over our 669 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:37.360 business and the IPS we have created, we have gotten back all the rights 670 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:42.639 for Control and the indevelopment Condor in Control two. Remedy said, this is 671 00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.800 cool. I think they paid about seventeen million dollars. I believe it's what 672 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.679 the number was a deal is valued at eighteen point four million dollars. I 673 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.639 think they're saying this, Ay, this is very cool. It seems like 674 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.559 this is remedy saying, hey, we have we believe in what we've made, 675 00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.679 and we are fully investing in the future of it. Alan Wick two 676 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.239 did okay by some measures. Maybe people were expecting to do a little bit 677 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.039 better. It was luck to Epic. I'm sure they had some effect. 678 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:12.400 I think as far as Redi's concerned, that was our fastest selling game, 679 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.440 and they're like, I bet our next game is going to sell even faster, 680 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:17.639 So why wouldn't we go all in and bet on ourselves. I think 681 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:21.960 this is a good sign of like, hey, there are spaces in the 682 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.519 industry where people are still able to bet on themselves and maybe see that through 683 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.159 and hopefully we can get more of that, right. Yeah. And I'm 684 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.480 always a big fan of developers taking their ip back from a publisher where necessary, 685 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.360 or just otherwise having full ownership over the creations that they make, because 686 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.360 then, like you know, the headline says here, it just allows them 687 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:46.039 to have better control over the things that they want to do, especially with 688 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:50.880 the remedy of connecting one game to another and having this whole you know, 689 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.960 the cinema universe type thing going on. It's all it's fun, it's very 690 00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:58.800 fun, and so this allows them to do that easier and then also layer 691 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.840 down the line, you know, do releases or modifications or whatever better. 692 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:06.840 Hey, that's a good thing, right, yes, absolutely, speak of 693 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.639 headlines, Jeff, What the hell is going on with like the overlay? 694 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.679 Is that? Did you change that yet? I do? Does something happen 695 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:15.480 in new studies to just kids are no experience of social pressures away in game? 696 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.440 Yeah? I did not. I'm not updating that, so I can 697 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:21.079 just turn that off. Let's just do that. Okay, Yeah, let's 698 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.159 do that. Sorry about that. Everybody that's got to be confusing. Uh 699 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:27.639 Jan is out today, so I guesse you're wondering why everything's broken, that's 700 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.480 why. Yeah, all right, let's see here. Neil Druckman doesn't think 701 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.079 he has many large games left in him. This is from Alex Hopley, 702 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.280 a Game reactor. It seems like the Last of Us is game director and 703 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.960 Neil Druckman is finding himself in a funding himself a bit long in the tooth. 704 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.480 Talking recently on the Logically Speaking podcast with artists Logic, Druckman revealed that 705 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.679 he might not take might not have a lot of games left in him. 706 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:52.039 In the video, he says at around the forty nine minute mark, I 707 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.599 don't see myself doing this forever at this scale. It's a lot, and 708 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.679 it takes a lot out of you. It's very stressful to manage that many 709 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:04.280 people in multiple studios worldwide. I could see myself transitioning to something that's more 710 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.719 low key, that still allows me to have a creative outlet. But I've 711 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.199 started thinking about how many more of these games I have in me, and 712 00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:15.440 it's not that many. Corey Barlog on Twitter said big same for him as 713 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.760 well, the God of War director. Of course, they feel this way. 714 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:25.559 Human beings were not meant to manage massive teams across multiple continents, many 715 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.280 people whose faces you don't always see. Now, you know, we're talking 716 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:30.679 about remote being good, Like, That's not what I'm saying there. I'm 717 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.440 saying like, you can only keep so many people in your head at one 718 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:38.119 time, and when you have a team of fifteen hundred people, that begins 719 00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:42.760 to feel so you feel so removed from that. It's got to be hard 720 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.519 not to disassociate in some ways. I bet that that stress is real, 721 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:51.400 and to have that stress stretching over five to six years, and now looking 722 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.639 ahead at the promise of maybe that's going to start stretching to six to seven 723 00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:58.159 years, Really, how many more times can you promise yourself you're going to 724 00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.599 be able to do that? Like you have, You're really gonna commit yourself 725 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.360 to doing that three more times? So I'm gonna start a new trilogy that's 726 00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:07.119 gonna be the next twenty five years of your life. That's crazy. No, 727 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.119 No, I would. I don't blame these creators for feeling this way. 728 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:19.280 Bye Neil. Anyway, Corey though, come on, Corey, Corey 729 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.840 I care about. Corey is clearly an actual director that I really respect here 730 00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.719 and it was sad to see him go. But yeah, they'll get fucked 731 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:34.199 yeah for for real, Like I be real, Jeff, if if he's 732 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.360 in part of the reason why Naughty Dogs where they're at right now? Later, 733 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:42.280 dude, yeah right, I mean, I don't know, maybe it 734 00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.320 is. It's hard to be for me. It's like we can't just play 735 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:51.599 at the joking around sort of like like because it was always like destined to 736 00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.199 like start to get to the space of like, oh, we can make 737 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.320 these games so big, and then you look around you like, oh my 738 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:59.440 god, we are now in this situation. We can't look back. I 739 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:00.920 don't know. It kind of feels like something would be hard to control. 740 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:07.719 But regardless, yeah, fuck them. I bet a lot of creators, 741 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.559 though, are feeling this way, even people not named Neil Druckman. Where 742 00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.039 it is it's just the thing, and you mentioned this earlier. Everyone saw 743 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.400 just, you know, not feeling amazing about gaming in general. So I'm 744 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.719 sure like anybody in any position, but especially those at the top who do 745 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.000 legitimately have a decent mob pressure put on them, are probably like, man, 746 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.119 I don't know how much more of this I want to do. I 747 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:30.960 get it, like, I totally get it, and so you know what, 748 00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:35.440 sure get out if you're not feeling it. Yep, I mean once 749 00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:40.519 again speaks to the unsustainability that we reference constantly. Uh user Debs responded they 750 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.679 didn't say much legally they feel like they can't say much, but Steven Tatillo 751 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.719 points out that via their discord, YUZU is telling its concerned community quote, 752 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.360 we do not know anything other than what's in the public filing, and we 753 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.400 are not able to discuss the matter at this time. Oh so they do 754 00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.599 know about shut the fuck up Friday, They can't practice that. They took 755 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.519 up a little to learn about it. But here we are. Yeah, 756 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:07.880 if anything, the biggest lesson to come out of this is going to be 757 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:13.199 you are not safe in your little discord like you are, Like you're the 758 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:17.880 lawyers are there, they are in the building. Yeah. I mostly put 759 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.679 this here to give you a chance because I know you follow this stuff a 760 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:24.480 little bit. But uh, when I look at like what's happening here, 761 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:29.199 my hunch is this is not going to actually go to court. But Nintendo 762 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.400 is prepared to go to court if they need to. And they feel like 763 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.639 while they have struggled to have these fights work against emulators in the past, 764 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:43.079 they think that they might have something with the current way that the DMCA works 765 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.920 and functions that most judges will immediately glom onto like, Yeah, that does 766 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.360 seem like it is skirting up enough that we could say that this is violating 767 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:54.159 the DMCA's you know, the rules about encryption. I don't know what do 768 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:59.000 you think? Uh, well, well, first of all, the big 769 00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.360 problem here with you uzuo is that like if people don't know what we're referencing. 770 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:07.320 They said too much in several different places, including in their discord, 771 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:13.039 like yes, they kind of got cocky. Maybe I've seen certain messages flowing 772 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.920 around and stuff like that where I'm like, yo, you can't say that 773 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:20.559 this is a public discord. This isn't even if it was locked down, 774 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.280 like someone would find this. We all get the like the wink in the 775 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.400 nod that people do when they're like, and you can't use you can't use 776 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.199 pirate ROMs. You got to use your backups, like can you buy like 777 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.079 a device, and it says something like that, like analog pocket Like they're 778 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.519 always like, hey, no, you got to use some real cartridges with 779 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.119 this, and then they eventually put out something but it's like you can. 780 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.360 You have to use your backups to to use this special firmware that's going to 781 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.480 enable you to use pirated stuff. But they do the wink in the nod, 782 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.039 and nowhere in their official materials does it suggest that you should be using 783 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.679 pirated stuff. And then if it does, it says, don't do that. 784 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:57.719 And there's a reason. It's specifically to avoid this situation that you who 785 00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.480 finds itself in Yeah, but then you can't say in whispers. Actually, 786 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:05.480 actually here's where you get the goods. You can't do anything remotely like that. 787 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:10.920 I mean this from other emulators where they're like, man, we're just 788 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.159 don't ask where the bio says, We're not gonna tell you. You have 789 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:20.639 Google, go fucking bill literally tell you like you use your search and to 790 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:23.840 figure out exactly because they don't want to touch this and this thing. This 791 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.519 thing was always risky because emula. First of all, emulators are good everyone 792 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:32.480 listeners. I wanted to ask them about them selling video games that use emulators 793 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:37.480 exactly when they use emulators is good stuff. When someone else uses an emulator, 794 00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.280 it's a piece of software that lots of people use illegallympired and fuck off 795 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.480 Nintendo. But the thing about emulators are, first of all, this is 796 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:49.360 preservation, like video games are preserved through your own free copies of PC games 797 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.639 and emulation of console games. The problem with this is that they have an 798 00:51:52.679 --> 00:52:00.840 emulator that can play commercially ready like available games. You can go into a 799 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.840 store, you can buy a switch game, and then that can be played 800 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.360 on u Zoo. Here's the thing though, let's be real with ourselves. 801 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:15.760 Most people aren't doing that. Absolutely, most people are pirating software using on 802 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.079 Uzu. Listen, that's on them, that's not on the emulator people. 803 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.400 But what that means is that that's how most people are going to use your 804 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:29.239 emulator. You can't say a single goddamn word about that. You just had 805 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.559 to be like, this is an educational thing. This is a preservation thing. 806 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.599 You know, someday in the future, our software will be very helpful 807 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.440 for you playing these games after your hardware breaks down. You're legally acquired software 808 00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:44.400 to shut the hell up otherwise. And that's how retro emulators get away with 809 00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:49.039 and why Nintendo won't go after just like a random Super Nintendo emulator. Why 810 00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.719 because they're not specifically in the business of selling you an individual game that you 811 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.360 might go on a rom site and acquire and guess what, you can't. 812 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.880 You can't buy that in any way, shape or or legally without just giving 813 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:05.360 money to someone else. So they know that, so they don't care. 814 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.719 It's only when it's like they have a smoking gun, they have the gotcha 815 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.679 where they be like, oh no, you're messed up, We're gonna shut 816 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:15.360 it down, right now or in a case like this where your software is 817 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:20.880 does let's again, let's be real, it is being used to circumvent uh 818 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.239 just pop the system just buying your freaking games. And the fact that like 819 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:29.039 Nintendo was able to get like they called a telemetry data data. I didn't 820 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.280 look into like what exactly what this was, but they're like no, usually 821 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:35.280 just straight upset. Their most the most played game was Tears of the Kingdom. 822 00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:37.360 It's like, so they don't keep a track of it, and they 823 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.280 know how it's being used, and they're kind of touting that, and you 824 00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:43.440 know, they even talk about on like Twitter. I follow her a Twitter 825 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.960 account. They say way too much on Twitter, dude. Yeah, I 826 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:50.079 mean this is a case of they really did not abide shut the fook up 827 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.559 Friday, and they are paying. They're going to pay for it. And 828 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:57.840 you know that this does not mean that they are one hundred percent guaranteed guilty 829 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.800 of something. This will have to be heard out and the judge will have 830 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.000 to determine what side of the line this falls onto, but very easily it 831 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:07.519 could fall onto. This is a violation of DMCA, even if it is 832 00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.360 just like you know, I said this yesterday like, oh, we have 833 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.239 a freedom of speech. We're just telling people that. They're like, you 834 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.760 could argue, you could try to argue that the DMCA is those could be 835 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.679 like, well, that's not what we're talking about here. You are if 836 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.519 you are facilitating people to violate the copyright, Uh, you're gonna get smacked 837 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:30.079 down a little bit. So yeah, we'll see they probably just pull USU 838 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.679 off of like their website and just like make it go on, get existing 839 00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:39.159 torrents going forward and stuff like that, and they just stops for now. 840 00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:43.840 Right, there's a little bit more friction between people and getting stuff running, 841 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:45.920 and that's to know'll be like, okay, we'll accept that. If only 842 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:52.679 there are another Swish emulator around you shut the funk over. UH. Sega 843 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:58.119 appoints ex Disney executive as head of trans media. It's from Dean Takashi over 844 00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:02.440 at games Beat. Sega announced it has appointed Justin Scarpone, former executive at 845 00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:06.559 Disney and Scope Lee, as head of its trans media efforts. He will 846 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.760 be executive vice president and head of Global trans Media Group, effective April first, 847 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:15.880 twenty twenty four. The establish establishment of a global Transmedia Group will allow 848 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:21.239 the company to advance its trans media strategy across its wide portfolio of intellectual property 849 00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.159 such as Persona, Like a Dragon, Angry Birds, and more in the 850 00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:29.239 company in the coming years. The company said, uh, yeah, listen, 851 00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.519 I get the yous had some success with Sonic the year. There's a 852 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:37.840 lot of thirst in Hollywood for video game IP to take chances on with new 853 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:43.199 movies. So getting someone to facilitate that and make sure that SEG gets the 854 00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:45.719 best deal with all those things is good. SEK is definitely a company that 855 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:51.760 feels like it is up and down a lot, you know, definitely hearing 856 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.840 that it's it's still having a lot of struggles coming off of last year that 857 00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:00.480 could manifest us maybe more layoffs we'll see, hopefully not. They just had 858 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:04.159 some good games with Persona and Like a Dragon that's sold very well. Maybe 859 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:08.320 that's stemy some of that, but them finding other ways to make the revenue 860 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:13.639 from from IP that like Sonic. You know, the good thing with Sonic 861 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:15.880 is hey that the last Sonic game didn't do very well for whatever reason. 862 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:22.320 I think it's because you know, it's not very exciting. It wasn't great. 863 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:27.719 Frontiers did okay, right super exactly, yes, exactly, and and 864 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.559 so when a game like comes that and sort of is just like this this 865 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:34.239 nothingness fart that comes out and people ignore it. Well, listen, Sonic 866 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.960 is bigger than the video games now and they are able to capitalize on that, 867 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.119 and that's that's where they kind of want to get with some of these 868 00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:43.960 other IP as well. And really, ideally you're in a situation where it's 869 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.119 like, well, every Persona game is selling better than the last Persona game, 870 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:50.760 and now there's a ton of cool Persona media that people can engage with 871 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:52.400 and get even more excited about it, and that gets in binding even more 872 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.840 games. That's the ideal scenario. But even having a fallback where it's like 873 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.159 maybe the games aren't doing as well, I'm not saying Persona, it's you 874 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.199 know, some other game. Well, there's still power to the IP and 875 00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.000 we can make money from it in other ways. This seems like a good 876 00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:07.719 safety net that all of these companies are looking to have, and I think 877 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:12.000 for Sega it makes some sense. Yeah, I think they have the ips 878 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.119 to go for it, and as discussed here, there's obvious ways to do 879 00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:20.559 this. Just make more Persona anime, make you know, like a dragon 880 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:24.000 drama or whatever, make an Angry Birds kids show or whatever, you know, 881 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.159 like there's easy ways to do this. So I think I think ultimately, 882 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.800 like you know, people bristle at the term trans media and stuff like 883 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:36.159 that, like, oh oh no, what's sort of like crappy Netflix thing? 884 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:37.239 Are we gonna get now? But I think I think this could be 885 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.119 good, Like it's a portfolio back up. Well, I want to know, 886 00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:45.519 Jeff, is I think Scarpone is Italian? I'm gonna say Scarponi's Italian? 887 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.079 Yes, okay, And we could tell you you never know, right, 888 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.440 it's impossible to know. It's definitely impossible. Ask our friend Dan record. 889 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:58.039 All right, that does it for the News. I got a pull 890 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.039 question. I'm gonna get to that here in a second. But before I 891 00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:01.559 do that, Sean, tell people where they could find you on the internet 892 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.039 what you have going on, and we'll get to all the giant bomb stuff 893 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:07.320 as well. Sure. Yeah, you can find me on Twitter dot com 894 00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:13.599 as a Turbo Shawn Underscore and find me as just Turbo Shawn Sahawn everywhere else. 895 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.880 And of course I'm doing stuff here today. I'm filling in for chancing. 896 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.639 If you if you're watching a Giant Bomb show, or listening to it 897 00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:23.760 later. Hey, Hi, I did that, so I hope you'll like 898 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:28.360 it. Jeff, Jeff, I know today was a bit of a bummer, 899 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.840 so I got something for you, and please I welcome it. Everybody 900 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:35.280 listening to this, watching this right now, watching listening later, do me 901 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.159 a fair okay, open up a new window or new tab. Don't, 902 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.079 don't close the stream. We'll know, we'll know. Yes, I will 903 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:44.199 open up a new window or a new tab. Okay, go to Google 904 00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:50.360 dot com and type in chocobo c h o coo bo. I expect this 905 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:53.920 to be completely reasonable. All I've done it. You should see a little 906 00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:59.400 bun at the bottom. Oh I do uh give that a few clicks? 907 00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:05.760 Maybe give it a lot a whoa, Okay go, let's just do this 908 00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:07.559 on the stream. Okay, Okay, there we go. Let the people 909 00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:10.239 see. Let the people see what's going on. Yeah, it is a 910 00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:14.519 it is file fancy said of rebirth launch day. Everyone, so square, 911 00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.639 Nick's cooked up a little something, you know. They some of these Google 912 00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:21.960 doodles are pretty cute. I like this, So of course, all right, 913 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:23.760 there's the button. There's the button. Everybody, I'm gonna kick it 914 00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:30.400 yeah, click that. There they come. Holy crap, sobody choke abouts. 915 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.480 I did just introduce my my kid. She was playing twos in the 916 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.760 Kingdom and I'm like, hey, go go go cut that chicken, go 917 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.440 hit that chicken with the sword, and she was like no, So I 918 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.840 did it, and then I got attacked and she was just losing her mind. 919 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:45.199 It was the best thing she had ever seen. She's like, that's 920 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.239 why you don't tack the chicken. Yeah, And I'm like, well, 921 00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.880 lesson learned. But I'm like, this happens in every Zelda game. And 922 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.840 she's like, all right, I got to look into that. So pretty 923 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:58.039 cool. All right, let's see here we are the pole question, the 924 00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:04.239 aforementioned pole question, Have you used Uzu to play commercial games? Asked this 925 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:08.440 yesterday here on game Miss Mornings. Ten percent say yes, forty one percent 926 01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:12.760 say no. You're probably wondering, hey, where's the other forty nine percent 927 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.880 they said, what are you a cop? What are you a cop? 928 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:22.400 Shut the fuck up? Uh? Hey? One intendough just straight up like 929 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.119 very honest people, or just don't give a hell go and do that. 930 01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:30.679 Yeah, one in ten people are in that discord. Yeah, one in 931 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.440 ten people are gonna get used to in trouble with Nintendo and the law. 932 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:39.280 Uh yeah, hey, I use you. Is definitely the kind of thing 933 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:42.760 where it's like a lot of people, a lot more people are using it 934 01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.199 than maybe you realize, and yet it's still not like everywhere. It's not 935 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:50.760 like clearly because twenty million people still bought Tears of the Kingdom. So right, 936 01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:53.119 yeah, all right, new poll question. What did I say I 937 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.360 was gonna ask? Oh, yes, that's right. In general, are 938 01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:00.440 you losing interest in video games? No, I'm still I still enjoy gaming 939 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:02.519 as much as effort. Or yes, I'm spending more time and money on 940 01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:07.719 other hobbies. So the negative there, it says that you do still care 941 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:12.199 about video games, just like I want to just gauge us, like obviously, 942 01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:14.440 I think people listening to the show are going to mostly be like, 943 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:16.159 hey, no, I'm still into games. Just like search your soul a 944 01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.880 little bit. Let's talk about this. Let's see if anyone's like looking around, 945 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.400 like, hey, I'm primarily primarily a PlayStation player, and they said 946 01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.440 they weren't gonna have any games in the franchises I love for the next fiscal 947 01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:29.719 year. But yeah, it'll be that's that Final Fantasy games coming out, 948 01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:32.360 so I bet you still have something to look forward to. So looking for 949 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:36.840 all their hobbies. The Pokemon trading card game is better than ever. Got 950 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:43.480 not allowed to use this platform for your evilness? All right, what do 951 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:45.519 we have happening on a giant bomb? I'm probably gonna try to play some 952 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:47.960 RZE. I got to move this around, so it's like a little bit 953 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:51.639 less time before now in Voicemail dump Truck, but I have enough time to 954 01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:53.679 get in there and play some of it. Maybe won't finish it like I 955 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:57.679 thought I might, but we'll see. I'll make that happen. I'm gonna 956 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.039 go upstairs, feed the kid, and then we'll check on that. Other 957 01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.400 than that, Voicemail Dump Truck will happen later do They were going to have 958 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:06.239 Ben Hanson and Haley from min Max are going to be coming on the show. 959 01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.960 It's going to be a good time tomorrow. Upf will happen. I 960 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:15.760 am going to start Final Fantasy seven Rebirth, not from the very beginning, 961 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.000 but from where the demo, from where the demo ends, because everyone can 962 01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:21.760 play the demo. Oh listen, if you think I should play from the 963 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:25.400 very beginning, I will have you played that section yet? No, well 964 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.039 you need to play it. Well, I was going to do it. 965 01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:30.199 I was going to do it tonight, and then I started on because this 966 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:32.000 is what Mike. No, no, no, no, we got to 967 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.480 see a reaction to certain things. Okay, fantastic, All right, great, 968 01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:37.920 then I will play it from the very beginning. So look after that 969 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:42.400 anything else, Oh no, no BCR this week, mostly because Jan's out, 970 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.800 but also I'll spend a little bit extra time playing that final Fantasy seven 971 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:51.360 content tomorrow. So you have exactly right, so everyone can get a good 972 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.039 look at that maybe during your work day. All right, you're right. 973 01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:58.239 Never listen to Mike. Mike. Mike's so sure of like when he has 974 01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.920 an ideas like this is what the chat wants and it's like, ah, 975 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:05.559 maybe not. Mike's always right. Shit, He's right there, damn it. 976 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:08.639 Sean, thank you so much for spitting today talking with me about video 977 01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:12.440 games. I really appreciate it. Man, anytime, Jeff always pleasure, 978 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.360 Come on, Thank you all for listening. You're the best audience in gaming. 979 01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:16.679 We'll get through all of this together. Everybody. Until next time, 980 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:20.320 have a good one, take care of yourself and goodbye.