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Wednesday. Also glad to have Ben
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he did a great job covering the
NFL Draft and the Lions season with Kyle

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Minke, our friend on M Live, and Ben joins us here on Exes

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and Bros. Ben, glad to
have you man. Appreciate it very much

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because I know your time is valuable
and I know you've been swamped with all

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the draft coverage. Wrote the other
day the best move and the Lions' biggest

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risks. For those who don't subscribe
to the en Live pay Chase pay page,

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can you give us an idea of
what you thought their best move was

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and where are their biggest risk life
from the NFL Draft this year. Absolutely,

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thank you Matt for having me,
by the way, But the best

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move, you know, it starts
at the top. It starts with getting

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carry On Arnold, that picked twenty
four, someone who I think was a

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widespread thought to be top fifteen pick. I think heading into the draft every

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step of the way it was kind
of hard to see him getting past even

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fifteen. So the fact that Harry
and Arnold the CB one A or one

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B of this draft, truly pick
twenty four for a team that needs as

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much pass defense help as they can
get. I mean, you look back

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to that NFC title game, that
blown lead. I mean they couldn't attacks

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to two or three score lead their
past defense and broke and broke it finished

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last season twenty ninth in the NFL, that passing years, period time,

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bad red zone marks again, and
you go out. You get the nation's

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top run defending cornerback who was also
just as sticky and coverage at Pig twenty

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four without Mortgage in the future.
That it's just that's that's a home run.

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That was a home run. Value
and picked by Brad Holmes there and

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then the biggest risk is obviously the
six foot eight three and fifty pound offensive

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tackle from British Columbia. I mean, this is two years in a row

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where you mentioned Kyle Mikey, where
I turned to Kyle and we rotate picks

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when we're writing up the draft picks
as they come in and I'm like,

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hey, man, I can't find
a photo of this guy for your stories.

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It's they see the trades, they
see the athleticism, and it's a

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risk. But as I said the
other day on Them Live, it's the

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Lions are positions with the Eagles.
You know, this kid gets compared to

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Jordan my Lot though a lot.
They are positions like the Eagles to take

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a risk to develop a raw prospect
like that with the guys they have in

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that room and the fact that Hanks
say has proven himself to be one of

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the best developers of the offensive line
in the NFL in a short time leading

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that room in Detroit. As good
as they were a year ago, reaching

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the NFC Championship Game befoint just short
in San Francisco, they will now have

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a different mindset and a different expectation
coming into this year. How will things

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change do you think for Dan Campbell
and the Lions now that they're the hunted

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rather hunting. You know, I
think we know who Dan Campbell is.

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I think we've found out pretty quickly
in twenty twenty one, and I think

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we've found out at the end of
last season that he is. And as

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long as he's the head coach of
the Detroit Lions, they will be among

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the biggest gamblers, the biggest risk
takers, the most aggressive teams in the

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league. And I don't think I
mean, he will adapt, he will

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evolve, but I don't think he's
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both he and Brad Holmes have been
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You see it in Brad's draft classes, going back to back corners taking

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two risks in the fourth round like
that, and I think you see Dan.

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They're going to go for it on
forts down more than anyone in the

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league forever and forever, as long
as he's in that job. Ben Raven

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from Mlive joining us here on Exus
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x or on Twitter. Benjamin S. Raven, How much better is the

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NFC North because the prevailing thought is
that Minnesota got a lot better. Chicago

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got a lot better. Of course, they had a bigger room to grow

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as well, more so than the
Lions. But how much better do you

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think the NFC North is? Yeah, it is funny the Lions win their

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first division in thirty plus years,
and all of a sudden, the NFC

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North starts to line up like you
can be the best division in football,

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and much sooner than later. But
yeah, the Bears. I mean,

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I know it's hard to thank on
a rookie quarterback. It's hard to oh,

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this guy's going to be amazing right
off the bat, but my goodness,

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citis really hard not to just see
an amazing situation set up for both

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Caleb Williams or JJ McCarthy and Minnesota
down the road. I mean, just

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the receivers, the offensive flying,
the running backs in Chicago. I mean,

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we were talking about the Chicago receiving
corps. I mean, if Romo

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Duze is a quality rookie, I
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receiver this year. They got DJ
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mean, these are proven pros who
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they I mean, I got to
give it up to Chicago. It's not

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easy to recover from flunk in the
first round draft pick that quickly. Yeah,

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I mean, I'm not gonna Callustin
Field to plunk. But they just

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didn't build around them. They have
built a team for Caleb Williams to step

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into. I don't think they're going
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one, but the Bears are going
to be. The Bears are coming and

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the Packers are coming to because they
just continue to throw premium picks at that

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defense. They continue to throw verstall
offensive lie picks at the inside their trenches.

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And they got a new defensive coordinator. So I mean you got to

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expect Jordan Love is going to be
better this year. And then I mean

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as long as the I think he's
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all that, that's going to be
a tough group to stop right there too,

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And I mean they did pretty well
to get this. Yeah, I

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think get one of the top addressers
that they're rookie at too. Yeah,

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I think a lot of people were
disappointed at Jordan Morgan is their first round

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pick as the offensive tackle, But
those same people probably oftentimes talk about needs.

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But overall, I think the Packers, especially with Jordan Love at the

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helmet another year under his belt,
are pretty damn good. Where's your biggest

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concern for the Lions going into their
camps. It's hard to say right now

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because we have we don't even know
what the fifty four man roster looks like,

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right but we're overall when you look
at it right now, where's the

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part where you're looking at going this
could be could be a little bit of

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an issue for the Lions. Yeah, it feels weird. There's not a

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ton of glaring glaring hold. I
mean, with the developmental thick and man

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Wu, you could you could argue
that there's a little lacking down that offensive

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tackle because I don't think he's going
to be anywhere near ready. I think

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you're looking at a pretty similar Robert
Martin situation there where he's lucky to get

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ten snaps at best this first season. But yeah, there's a little depth

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that offensive tackle, just in the
short term. And you know, I

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like down of the people's Sjones.
I love the idea of down to the

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people's Jones. He's done it in
the NFL before. He's a local kid.

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We know what he's capable of,
but it hasn't been there for a

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couple of years. Maybe a full
off season with the team, maybe a

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full off season working with golf will
help him be that wide receiver three,

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one of those top deaf wide receivers. But I do there is a need

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for like a vertical outside wide receiver, somebody, somebody to kind of fill

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that Josh Reynolds role, Somebody to
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Because while I expect Jamo to be
the second wide receiver option and to be

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much better and much more involved in
the offense this year, they really do

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need another dependable outside guy. I
mean, Jared Duff closed his eyes and

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know where Josh Reynolds was, I
mean for three years now. So I

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really do think there's a short term
need at wide receiver. There's some potential

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short term need for a little offensive
line depth at tackle, and that's that's

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about it. Because they've set themselves
up well to have some options in the

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defensive backfield and that was the main
concern for me coming into the draft.

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So you know, it's a weird
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a lot of glary red marks.
What's the expectation specifically for the first two

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picks, Terry On, Arlold Arnold
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them to be when the season begins
their roles specifically? I have a hard

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time not imagining Terry and Arnold won't
be starting almost immediately. I really do

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think he's that side the town.
Obviously, he's got to go out there

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and earn it because the Lions have
a little deeper situation at corner. So

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I think Arnold is going to be
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Rigstraw, you know, you might
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It's on the first couple of weeks, but his his ability in the slot,

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and they're they're kind of desired to
move Brian Branch to safety. Something

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certain looks could get Rastra on the
field. Obviously, he's probably going to

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be competing with Branch and uh meet
Roberts in the new corner from the Raiders

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there for some slot reps. But
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of Harrian Arnold pretty much from them
to get well Rakestraw, you know,

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he might he might be have a
little slower to come along. You might

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kind of follow the the tract of
playing behind some guys and finding his spot

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and maybe getting a taste of specialties
here and there. But I mean he's

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not far off either. I mean, those other three cornerbacks they brought are

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all here on one year deals.
Those those two are the future of the

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room. I mean, they really
do feel like they've built the future of

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their cornerback room there, so they're
going to find ways to plan. But

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I do think Arnold is going to
be a He's going to eat a ton

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of snaps. I really do.
I think he's that good. I know

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you didn't think or you weren't surprised
at how many quarterbacks were taken. You

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may have been a little bit surprised
by the fact that Michael Pennox went eighth

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overalled to Atlanta and then Jay J. McCarthy a couple of picks later,

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but overall you're not surprised. There. What from the NFL draft in general

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stunned you a little bit. That's
a good question, you know. I

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the Falcons definitely broke my brain a
little bit with Michael Phoenix pick, and

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it's like, not even about him
it's just the fact that they've pretty much

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signaled on day one that Kirk Cousins
is a bridge quarterback after handing him a

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one hundred million dollar contract and kind
of telling his teammates like, oh,

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he's not the set in Stone future
at the position. I mean, that

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was that was the most shocking there. And gosh, not a ton of

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surprises. I was a little surprised
some of the other wider sivers didn't go

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in the draft. I know there
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I was really surprised he fell as
far as he did. I was

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really surprised race Cross all as far
as he did. Not to keep it

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just pure locally here, but pick
sixty one for a guy that a lot

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of people thought could be in the
mixed. Twenty nine to forty is pretty

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solid right there. But yeah,
that's a and I'd say just maybe the

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Vikings training up again. You know, they have gotten really to get Dallas

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Turner there around seventeen or eighteen.
They have been really aggressive giving up future

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assets to move up and get guys
that they want. I do think that's

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that's a big risk for a team
like that, that's welcoming a rookie quarterback

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that might be starting Sam Darnold this
year. You know, they kind of

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need to keep as many assets as
they can. So, yeah, those

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are the surprises, but he had
not the I wasn't surprised by all the

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quarterbacks, but I was surprised that
Atlantis at Phoenix just because you thought they

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were just gonna focus on winning in
this two to four year window with Kirk

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Cousins, and it was just a
strange methods to send to Kirk. It

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was just a strange methods just under
that roster before he had even suited up

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as their new quarterback. Yeah,
you brought up a donnand Mitchell. I

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was a little surprised that Ricky Piersoll
went ahead of like Lad McConkey, Jalen

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Polk for example, definitely Keon Coleman. Coleman, big strong kid out of

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Florida State. So that was a
mild surprise for me. Were talking NFL

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and alliance with Ben Raven m Live. You can follow on X at Benjamin

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as Raven back to the Lions.
As we look at the depth of this

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team, we're starting to and I
talked about this a little bit yesterday,

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but we're starting to feel like Brad
Holmes can do no wrong. I'll ask

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you the same thing I asked your
friend Dave Brikette yesterday. When do you

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believe the trust in Brad Holmes was
complete for Lions fans? Well, that's

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a good one. Honestly, I
think it came home after that first season

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when I'm on Ross Saint Brown started
to come on, when Panay's seol was

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looking like Honestly, I think it
started with the pay School pick. I

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think that first season really sent at
home when you know, you started to

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see those fourth round picks starting to
contribute near the end of the season.

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But then it was just the culture
setting pick of Aidan Hutchinson for that defense

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too. It was like there were
a lot of options that wasn't as easy

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as everyone it was that pick to
that year. I mean, obviously they

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love touch more than anyone, but
there were a lot lot of good,

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good, elite premium position players in
that draft. Getting Aidan Hudginson and just

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kind of that set the tone for
that defense. I really do. But

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yeah, I have to look back
to that first year. I want to

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end it in that first year,
A lot of people don't have growing memories

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about that first season. But when
you came out of that year and you're

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like, Nay, Suel isn't even
like he's just turned twenty one years old?

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Are you kidding me? Just started
the full season and looks like a

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that doing it. You see,
I'm manra Saint Brown catching game when he

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touchdown passes, and it's like,
all right, this is what this guy.

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This guy made his name in LA
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and he started to see it with
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by the end of that first season. So I just think and it's just

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kind of expounded since then. I
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I mean, you look at that
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and every single one of those guys
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the end of last season. And
I don't think people realize how rare that

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is. I mean, he really
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on this rock in some capacity,
and that's just that's his retention rate and

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his hit rate is among just the
absolute best in the league. And I

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just love the fact that he sticks
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the way I think about the game. It challenges what I think he should

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do and stuff. So I mean, I really mean, he has really

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changed the way I look at the
game and break things down. And just

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taking a first round running back last
year too, just aggressive, aggressive,

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and it turns out to be one
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So just it's a really good point
by you. It's a really good

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point by you because I never thought
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just because the first year wasn't very
good in terms of ones and wins

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and losses. But now that you
bring it up that all those draft picks

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are on that team, I thought
it changed last year. Quite honestly.

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I thought it was with Jamior Gibbs. I mean, look, that was

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widely panned by national and local fans
and writers and broadcasters. As an analyst,

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Why are you taking a first round
for he thought he knew exactly what

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he wanted, exactly what this team
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And I think we've been at least
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we were wrong. He was right, and it's tough for us in the

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media to say that we were wrong. I think that's when people really said,

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Okay, I'm not going to question
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little bit, but I don't think
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before that pick. Oh absolutely right. And now I'll be honest, I

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remember when that pick came in and
I'm like, wait, they've traded down,

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they didn't take the job, and
they still took a running back.

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Like I will fully own that.
That was my initial thought process for like

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the first four months of that situation. I mean, I just think it

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really shows the positive aspect of the
Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell kind of fifty

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fifty roster decisions share the ownership structure
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general managers at the finger of the
polls, on their on their depth chart

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top to bottom like he does.
Like he truly that Jamiir Gibs pick was

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knowing exactly what this offense needed without
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he's yeah, I will never question
him like that again. We will question

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him, we will disagree with stuff
he does, but he has earned a

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lot of a lot of leeway because
he truly understands this roster from top to

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bottom. And he don't make a
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when you need a ton of more
stuff without knowing, without knowing your

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team at a deep, deep level. Right, lastly, before I let

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you go, what happens with Jared
goffin Win. Yeah, I think it's

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coming. I really do think it's
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It just kind of sounds like they're
getting their p's and q's around. I

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mean, we talked to Piney School
yesterday and his deal took three or four

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months to come together. It's Saint
Brown a very similar deal. Yeah,

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it's gonna be some big money with
the quarterback deal. So I think there's

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some Get that draft class in there, get those unside free agents sign,

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get a better maybe make one more
free agent edition, get a better idea

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where your roster at that Jared Goff
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Look, I think he'll be here
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That's the last thing you want is
something like that hanging over a quarterback

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or any player, but especially a
quarterback, because when you're in that locker

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room, it's the inevitable thing that
has to be discussed and and if it's

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not with him, and he says, look, I'm not talking about it.

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People are gonna end up talking to
other players about it and it's not

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something you want hanging over. So
they want to get it done and they

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should get it done. Ben,
great stuff is always really appreciate it.

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Give them a follow on X Benjamin
s Raven great stuff with m Live he

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and Kyle Monikey tag teaming on a
hell of a job regarding the Lions NFL

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Draft in the NFL in general.
Have a great rest of your week,

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man, I appreciate your time very
much. Yeah, thank you, Matt.

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Thanks for having me calling me anytime. I appreciate that. Yeah,

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we will do that. We'll take
you up on that. Ben Raven joining

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us here on x'es and bros.
Very interesting stuff. Good. I love

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that personspective, you know. And
you just talked with Penney Schuel yesterday.

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See that's those Those are important conversations
to have with a man like that.

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Who was there talking with Penney?
So hey, listen, how long did

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it take? These are not things
that take a week. Okay, it's

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not you and your wife sitting down
at the table figuring out a budget and

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getting it done the following week or
the following day. These teams, these

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things take time. So the Jared
Goff, maybe we'll talk more about that

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tomorrow. Then we can do that, because how much do you want Jared

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Goff? And for how long?
How long is the term, how much

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is too much