WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.000 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jagon zalaz Son Fox Sports 2 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:15.119 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure Your Most Prized Possessions KATZ R 3 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:19.199 TWU SA AT iHeartRadio Stations. Hey, good duck to younoon, everybody, 4 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.480 Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve 5 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.039 Rivera, he's Jagin's aus got our guy Kevin in for a couple of hours. 6 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:30.199 Welcome back to me. Welcome back to you, man, Glad to 7 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.920 have you back. All right. I don't like that chair. You don't 8 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:36.240 like you were you in this chair? Yeah? For a what? Yeah, 9 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:41.759 that's a person who runs the show sits in that chair. It How 10 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:46.200 can I say this up? My butt's too big to fill my shoes, 11 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:50.200 but my butt. You know, we should. You should thank a whole 12 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.960 bunch of people right out right out of the box for filling it, for 13 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:57.359 helping us last week. In the week before, George Mattis from Showtime Cards 14 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:02.600 who co hosted three days the week of the first and second round, and 15 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.959 then Greg Hansen co hosted. Last week had Reggie, Reggie Gary and Matt 16 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.959 Meilbacher both in on the show twice to talk about the Arizona games, once 17 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:12.959 after a win, once after a lot. So let me ask you. 18 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:17.319 We're going to get to a lot of things today. We're going to reminisce 19 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.719 on on heath Bray and passed over the weekend, and we have some guests 20 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.439 for that, and then we'll talk about hoops with Bruce on the other side. 21 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:26.239 What what did Reggie? I didn't hear it, So what did Reggie 22 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:32.560 say about the situation with you? But he was he's frustrated, he was 23 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:34.200 frustrated. He said that in the text. When I asked him if he 24 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.280 would come back on the show, he said, I'm really really frustrated and 25 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.480 hesitate, but I'll come on. Frustration the frustration that they you know, 26 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:45.920 they didn't get to wear the talent level. For the talent level that they 27 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.439 had, they didn't get us, did you. I'll bring this up to 28 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.560 Bruce. But did you read Bruce yesterday? Yeah? Yesterday? And I 29 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:56.519 thought he made a great point, a fair point about Arizona landed where we 30 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.719 thought they'd last in the end, in the end, And I'm thinking, 31 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.959 given the perspective, yes, and I still think and I've said this before, 32 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:05.680 Jay, and I don't know if you want to agree with me, 33 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.759 you don't have to. That first game against Duke, that set an expectation. 34 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:15.280 They set an expectation that Arizona fans unrealistically bought into, right right, 35 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.639 and and and look, Duke got to the Elite eight. But you know 36 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.639 they they they aren't. They weren't that Duke team, right. First of 37 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:27.800 all, they were a four seed. So yeah, I you know both, 38 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.280 you know both. Arizona was what twelfth going into the season, Duke 39 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:35.199 was two two that day played each other, right, So that set that 40 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:38.639 expectation. And but yeah, you're right. And look that's not going to 41 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:42.759 make fans feel any better about losing in the Sweet sixteen. But they landed 42 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:46.919 about where everybody predicted at the start of the year. As I said, 43 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:51.919 I don't think I put in the story, but we said it here indirectly. 44 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.840 Arizona was vulnerable to good teams and they were vulnerable to bad teams right 45 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.240 all year. But and which made it frustrating. And I don't know if 46 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:05.080 it was it was Bruce or well, I think it was Greg Hansen. 47 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:07.919 Greg on the show said, you know, when we were talking to either 48 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:12.960 Red or Matt. Arizona plays Clems in four out to seven, they win 49 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.280 the series. They probably win the series four games to two. But on 50 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:22.759 that one day, how many times have you said said that? For every 51 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:24.680 team you could tell you you can go up to eighty eight? I mean, 52 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.000 say that, say that about Look, say that about Houston, say 53 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:30.919 that about North Carolina, all these teams. I mean, who are the 54 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:35.759 unhappier fans this this weekend? Right? Arizona's you know, up there with 55 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:43.439 them, But North Carolina, Houston, Duke, who else those? You 56 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.120 know? Well, Marquette and Creighton. You know they were two and three 57 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:50.439 seeds. Uh, you know, a whole bunch of them, Steve and 58 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.599 and who are the who are the most unhappy? Yeah? I don't know, 59 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:54.960 but I know these ones aren't. And I was gonna ask you to 60 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:01.319 coming back from LA. How many Peacebook friends you have? Just estimate three 61 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.639 thousand? Oh you're one of those guys. You don't have very many Facebook 62 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:08.719 friends. I don't friend everybody the friends. Okay, So let's say three 63 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:13.039 hundred, just to give Okay, so let's say three let's say five hundred. 64 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:17.439 Of those five hundred, how many posts? How many posts negative crap 65 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:23.240 on the internet on Facebook about the football team or basketball team. None great, 66 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.680 great points. I won't friend you if you do that. Okay, 67 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.000 No, no, no, I've told you the story a million times. 68 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.199 I've blocked my brother because of what he post. I remember that, and 69 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.879 I was gonna use that as an example. But no, that's that's fine. 70 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:39.120 I have two thousand for whatever reason. I have two friends in real 71 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.560 life. But but but I don't see my friends doing the same thing. 72 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:46.480 They're not posting stuff. So the people who post aren't the people we know. 73 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:50.480 And they aren't And I've said this before Jay and Kevin that the rich 74 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:58.480 people who have jobs to do work, they're not busy posting, tweeting or 75 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:02.079 facebooking stupid crap. Right, And that's all we've seen since that loss. 76 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:09.079 To be to I have four hundred and forty one friends than Yeah, I'm 77 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:12.240 I'm choosy, though, you know, somebody friends me. I go look 78 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.000 and see what they post, and if they're you know, the politics is 79 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.519 not like that. I get out of here, right, But you understand 80 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:20.360 my point. No, the people that we don't know, those people we 81 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:26.680 know, people who were mostly reasonable. Right, there's a few in there 82 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.759 and some of them going there say, you know, I'm really upset that 83 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.560 this happened, yah yah YadA. But they're not saying fire Tommy Lloyd, 84 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.639 right, and they're not the player. Because if anybody on my Facebook feed 85 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.680 says that, they're not on my Facebook feed anymore, right, right, 86 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.160 because that's stupid. I just don't get it. Of course I get it. 87 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:45.079 I read the stuff just because to get much. You know, I 88 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.360 did better this last weekend because I remember I told after the after the after 89 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.160 no, I take it back to it after the loss, that I saw 90 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:57.319 for them after the loss. But I stopped going back and looking at that 91 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.600 stuff at the rest of the weekend. You have to follow them on on 92 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:02.560 Thursday night. I've said this before when I got this show, when you 93 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.160 came on the show, with all that stuff everybody has has they can they 94 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:10.040 can figure out everybody else's problems, but they can't figure out the row. 95 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.319 Yeah, yeah, and and yeah, I just I left it alone. 96 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.519 After Thursday. I stopped reading the you know, I read the news. 97 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:18.959 You know, I read you know, Bruce had a nice season wrap up 98 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:23.600 yesterday. Mike lev had a you know, he had a piece as well. 99 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:28.800 Five takeaways on the season. Uh, you know, just very you 100 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:32.360 know, responsibly reported right. Stuff. Right. I read a few other 101 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:38.040 things, but mostly from people that just I feel like they're gonna go on 102 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:43.000 and they're gonna say stuff without a lot of emotions, just being realistic about 103 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:44.879 what this is. Show. Show. Okay, So go back, go 104 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:48.480 back to to and frustrated you explain that anything else besides no, you know, 105 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:51.560 we talked about, uh, you know, when you lose the game 106 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:56.240 like that, Uh, you know, how does it happen that, you 107 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:59.839 know, all of a sudden you can't shoot, you can't shoot right? 108 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.839 And his answer was, it just happens. Just happens. It just happens, 109 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:05.360 you know. I asked him, you know, do you watch the 110 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:09.199 do you watch games like a coach or a player? And he says he 111 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.720 watches like a coach. He said, okay, you know as you're watching, 112 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.439 are you sitting there are you trying to coach the game where you're trying 113 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.879 to say stop shooting threes and move gets the ball inside? Where he said, 114 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.040 no, I don't do that. I don't I don't sit there and 115 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:26.040 trying, you know, second guest to coach during you know, during the 116 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:29.199 game, you know, and he's I don't even sit there and talk about 117 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.519 what I would do, right, So he was kind of like, but 118 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.600 you know, he said, there are some games where you just can't shoot, 119 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:38.000 and it's and it's as simple as that. Well, the reason I 120 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.920 ask about Reggie is because he's gone through it a couple of times. He 121 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:45.879 went through a ninety two Chanta Clara, uh, and they went to the 122 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.959 final four with these guys, and then he lost this Miamobhio same thing, 123 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:53.360 kind of like you know, first round losses. So he's experienced this, 124 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:55.959 and he basically said, they'll be okay, They're gonna be a fine, 125 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:58.879 They're gonna be just fine. They just you know, they went up and 126 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:03.040 they lost the game that everybody thought they should have won. But well, 127 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.199 like they didn't lost it, did it did? Not a lot of Arizona 128 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.480 fane okay, thought they should have won because it was Clemson, right right, 129 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:11.240 And that's where I wanted to go, right, Okay, So here 130 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.839 we go, and both you guys, you guys follow sports, but I 131 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.959 guarantee you didn't know much about Clemson. I know your Wednesday's group did not 132 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:22.160 know. Did you know anything about North Carolina State up until maybe well I 133 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:28.160 followed them through the through the through the ACC tournament. Yeah that was the 134 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.800 last two weeks. I may win some money because of those guys. Two 135 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.000 weeks okay, so two weeks, right, all these other teams we we 136 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.600 don't know. We didn't know about FAU last year, we didn't know about 137 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.480 ALF the teams, and then oh, these guys, these guys are kind 138 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.320 of good. Well they're pretty Other places have good teams too, they do, 139 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:48.720 they do, And I'm not trying to I'm still not a believer in 140 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.279 North Carolina State. I think they're gonna get killed. Yeah, but hey, 141 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:54.840 wouldn't you they are in the final four? Would you rather be killed? 142 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:56.240 I'd rather get in the final four and get killed than not be there. 143 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:58.720 And it's kind of like what Matt Painter said. He was doing a 144 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:03.840 post or some sort of press conference and one of the journalists asked, him, 145 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.519 Hey, so you're gonna you're probably gonna win this game, coming up, 146 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.799 your favorite to win this game. You're supposed to win this game, 147 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.320 and like he honestly he gave a really respectful response, but he was like, 148 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:15.240 look, everyone in the Sweet sixteen are better is good. Yeah, 149 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:16.759 like this isn't. This isn't. I know, we're favored by X amount 150 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:18.759 of points and that is what it is. But everyone is good and you 151 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.480 have to go out and win the game. Sure, at the end of 152 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:24.440 the day, Sure, and you do it, and that's you can. 153 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:30.159 You can you can theorize about seven game series and all that stuff. Well, 154 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.600 you didn't win when you had to, so all that theorizing doesn't mean 155 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.919 anything. You had to your shot seventeen point nine ercent three and that's what 156 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.000 happened. Right, So now we'll have break canoes. Although it's kind of 157 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.519 out there that there's a few guys leaving right transferring and not a shock now. 158 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:48.759 Although I really like any anybody, I really like to see those two 159 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:52.759 guys to day. But yeah, you know, anybody that had that hasn't 160 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.159 played enough, right, is gonna look at the poor Sure, and sure 161 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:03.759 may very well lead Maybe Tommy it work, says international the magic can get 162 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.440 them to stay. Who knows, But I like both of them. They're 163 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.320 both good. Yeah, and they might shine very really and even somewhere, 164 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.080 well, you should have played the more, Tommy. Look if they were 165 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.320 to help, if they were going to help Arizona win more Tommy would have 166 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:22.799 played. I hate it when people say, oh, you didn't take care 167 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.720 of that guy. Well, there's only so much taking care of you can 168 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.480 do. At some point you have to produce, and if you're not doing 169 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.320 what you need to do to get on the court, then that's what a 170 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.879 coach does. People talk about depth. People coaches only play seven eight players. 171 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.879 They just do and they have one ever, they have extra time those 172 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:46.399 other guys playing, right, So we'll see what happens with that. You'll 173 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:48.440 have the names and breaking news with maybe more to come, who knows. 174 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.080 But good to be back, good to be back, and bad news obviously 175 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.600 over the weekend, I sent you some stuff after hearing some things. And 176 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:03.360 our frequent guest, one of our great friends, Heath Bray, passed on 177 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.240 Saturday. I think it was uh suddenly uh. And we're going to have 178 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:11.559 Paul Toffelmeier in to talk about him. He has a special relationship with Heath. 179 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:16.279 Uh. In fact, who didn't have a special So many people dead, 180 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.279 you know that you saw on social media with a Facebook or Twitter, 181 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:24.399 Instagram, whatever, you know, just all around, all around the good 182 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.919 dude, the Wildcat community. People just you covered him, didn't you a 183 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.120 time or two? Well, you know you done. He I think he 184 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.399 came in. He might have been a freshman my last year that I covered 185 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:37.519 the team, Yeah, but probably didn't play much, Okay, so that 186 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.799 I covered him that one year that you were gone, and I was before 187 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:46.279 basketball, a good guy. And I'll bring up some some thoughts when when 188 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:52.279 we have Paul in here, Paul's as we know Paul's and Paul's Yeah, 189 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.759 so we'll talk about some of that. And it seems so not long ago. 190 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.200 But he was a great guy. Joe was one of the great guys. 191 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.080 Yeah, we both covered him, right, and we talked Yeah, 192 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.399 Joe, now Joe I did cover and you know, we just talked about 193 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.840 it. Just seemed like there's a bunch of guys from that time hind frame, 194 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.399 right, you know, who are gone, you know, for various 195 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:16.399 reasons, some suddenly, some some thoughts so suddenly because they got when they 196 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:22.919 got sick and or you know, dreaded disease somehow some yeah, sort of 197 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.440 dreaded disease. So yeah, I mean it's it's just it's boy, it's 198 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.279 a classes I think a group that's been hit, hit really hard. I'm 199 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.159 looking at Heath Pray. His first year was eighty nine and that was my 200 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.519 last year covering the team. So he would have been here as a true 201 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:41.039 freshman. Yeah, maybe not. You know, we remember him for the 202 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:45.879 for the ninety ninety one, ninety two seasons, ninety two, the birth 203 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.440 of Desert Swarm and having been a big part of it, and it was 204 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:50.679 all over, you know, good advocate for us, for the team. 205 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.840 Obviously he loved. Then he's got he's got a son who's you know who 206 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.080 he's got. I mean, he's got a son who's about to you know, 207 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:01.440 become a you know, highly recruit you know, quarter or he is 208 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.720 already a highly recruited quarterback coming out of high school. Just to to not 209 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:11.240 have one, for Heath to not be able to see that, but then 210 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.759 for his son to not have his dad by his side as he goes through 211 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:18.159 that, I can't even imagine. Okay, And then of course we're gonna 212 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.480 have Bruce Pasco. He couldn't be with you Friday. He apologized to me. 213 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.240 To no, he didn't need to apologize. You know, I rolled 214 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.360 the dice on that thinking, you know, I thought he would just be 215 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:33.000 too busy Anyways, I just you know, I just remember my day the 216 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.200 day after Arizona lost in the final four. It's busy. In the eighty 217 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.240 eight. I wrote three like thirty inch stories that day and I started working 218 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:46.639 at like ten o'clock in the morning. There was a press conference where Steve 219 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.759 Carr got that Most Courageous Award and I was writing until close to midnight. 220 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.279 And you know, it was, it was, and that's what I expected 221 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.000 Bruce would probably be doing. 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We brought you on to 301 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:44.640 talk a little about football and a lot about Heath Bray. Yeah. I 302 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.319 wanted you explain your connection to him, and because you have a special connection 303 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:55.680 to him, I do well being a dear friend other than playing football with 304 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:59.640 him for four years. I named my youngest son after him as well. 305 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:06.680 Wow. So what was the reason behind that? Just? His personality is 306 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:14.759 uh, his leadership skills, his uh just he had so much electricity, 307 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:22.119 so much energy, and his personality. I just I wanted to honor him. 308 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.839 I respected him so much. It was just something that I felt was 309 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.240 a tribute to him. How did he take that when you told him? 310 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:36.279 Because I'm sure your son is how old now? He is? Twenty four? 311 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:38.359 Oh? Wow? Okay, so when you told him that you were 312 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.079 going to name him after did he was he surprised? Was he touched? 313 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:48.599 What was he? He almost cried? Yeah? So so Paul It said, 314 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.839 I guess we're just made. I'm assuming that you know, during your 315 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.279 time at Arizona his time at Arizona, you overlapped for three years. I 316 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.799 mean that's what this friendship was struck? And then how did you know? 317 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:02.599 How how did that stay together? How did you guys keep being friends in 318 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.160 what ways? You know, kinds of things? Connections did you have? 319 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:12.039 We played football for four years actually together. My retrot freshman year was his 320 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:22.599 true freshman year. We did he was We went parties and double dates, 321 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.440 and even after college, I'd see him pretty much every year at the Alumni 322 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:33.920 and then I moved away up here to Seattle in two thousand and twenty, 323 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:37.839 I'm sorry, two thousand and four, and I still came down every now 324 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.920 and again, and I saw him and I connected with him on Facebook back 325 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:45.359 in twenty ten, and we just connected. We just always stayed in touch. 326 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.519 There wasn't a long period of time that went by where we weren't in 327 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:52.440 touch with each other. So how did and sorry to bring this up, 328 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:55.960 how did these news affect you? Because it all hit us at a different 329 00:21:55.960 --> 00:22:02.880 time. On Saturday. Jimmy Hopkin Jack, he reached out to me Saturday 330 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:11.599 early afternoon and he had said he died and I I had to step back 331 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:11.759 for a bit, and I said, wait a minute. I got a 332 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:21.079 son named he. I said, I I almost threw up. I said, 333 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:26.319 Heath Bray and he says, yeah, type pardon. I called me 334 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:32.039 and I didn't know much of the details, but I was sick to my 335 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:37.960 stomach, just just terrible. I felt terrible. I'm trying to hold it 336 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:41.680 all together. I'm coming off like I'm you know, keeping it up, 337 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:45.000 high spirited, but I am. I am just sick to my stomach. 338 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:48.440 I've been and depressed the last couple of days, and I miss him. 339 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:52.680 I just I just miss him. Well, you know, the outpouring that 340 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.200 we've seen, you know, it tells you, you know, how he 341 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:59.960 was thought of, not just by you know, close friends, but just 342 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.319 you know, the whole athletic community. You know, basketball players, baseball 343 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.640 players, you know, everybody. Everybody knows who Heath Bray is. And 344 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:10.799 yeah, you know that that's just you know, that's just what you hear. 345 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.559 Administrators, you know, everybody. I mean, there was he was 346 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:18.119 one of those guys. I mean there's some people that come around and everybody 347 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.079 likes them, they're nice, but there's other people that make a connection with 348 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.119 you know, a community like that, and Heath was one of those guys. 349 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:32.200 Wouldn't you say he was incredible just from a standpoint of he he made 350 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.000 I don't know, he just did it naturally. He made everybody feel special. 351 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.880 I'll tell you a quick story here. The last their reunion, This 352 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:44.119 was last April, and I was there for a we were going through and 353 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:48.039 meeting the players. It was the first night that we were all there and 354 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:52.200 we were in that new indoor practice stadium, and I saw him. He 355 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:57.319 was talking with Jetfish and he saw me out of the corner of his eye 356 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:02.000 and he stopped Jetfish. He puts up his hand, he sees me, 357 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:06.240 and he screams out top and I come over there, and you know, 358 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:11.279 hug and he basically stopped this conversation with Coach Fish to hug me. And 359 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:17.880 he introduces me to Jetfish and he says he he named his son after me 360 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.759 and Coach Fish. He laughed, and it was it was just just to 361 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:27.640 tell you just the how he how he made you feel. He made me 362 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:33.920 feel important. And uh, I think, I know, I know, 363 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:38.119 I have mutual friends that didn't play football that know him that they kept in 364 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:42.400 conversations with him. He was just a special guy. And he was one 365 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:47.440 of our guys who came on frequently talked about the football team. He was 366 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.200 kind of the unofficial spokes person. Well, he was kind of a guy 367 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.880 who we would you know, would pick his brain on okay, what's going 368 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.079 on back there with the alumni. I mean, he was one of the 369 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:59.160 first people I talked to when Jed got hired, and and uh, you 370 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:03.839 know, well after something got fired, right and then got yeah, yeah, 371 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:10.519 he uh he. He seemed to have all these connections, obviously, 372 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:17.599 but he was just he had obviously he he had a lot of connections. 373 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:22.640 He had his immediate circle and then the outer circle. But everybody just love 374 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:27.839 the guy I I refer to him. I don't know if it's I can 375 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:34.079 put just sum him up. And he was a thrill seeking alpha mel that 376 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.880 didn't wasn't afraid to say I love you. I mean, he was just 377 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:45.759 a special guy. His nails. What what's your favorite memory back in the 378 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:51.279 day when you played I have mine, I'm gonna I didn't say anything to 379 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:53.880 start to shovel. I have mine once minded kind of crazy, But what's 380 00:25:53.920 --> 00:26:00.960 yours? Just this was during a practice time I remember early on in our 381 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.119 I was a sophomore, I think he was a recher freshman and we were 382 00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:07.440 practicing, and I remember it was just a scrimmage we were going through and 383 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:12.160 he had to come back and running back behind me changed directions, and he 384 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.279 went to change directions too, and I was there and I did a pill 385 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:21.440 pill back block on him and I knocked him out of bounds like about five 386 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:27.119 yards. He went flying, got up immediately and says, I mean he 387 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:33.720 just dreamed that, oh yeah, And I think there was just a connection 388 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:38.440 after that where we just had this he said, that guy knows how to 389 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:45.319 hit. And I had always had respect for him just from seeing him, 390 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:51.319 you know, you initially see him in here's this eighteen year old loudmouth kid 391 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:56.200 from North Carolina, and within a matter of just a couple hours after getting 392 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.279 to know him, like this guy's this guy's legit, right, just a 393 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.599 special guy. Well it's funny, not not not nothing from a game standpoint, 394 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.920 I mean, but I I just remember that that always sticks out in 395 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.240 my head. Yeah, well you describe him perfectly. When he came from 396 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:15.640 North Carolina. I think he was my second year or third year, maybe 397 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.680 my final year covering the team, and to me, he looked like Vanilla 398 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.920 ice, you know, and he even had the haircut, didn't he have 399 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.680 the haircut like him? And I think and I think I wrote a story, 400 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.920 you know, using some of the lyrics in that in that song about 401 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.759 him, because he was just kind of skinnish, uh, you know, 402 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.920 very athletic. But but this guy with that haircut, that kind of like 403 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:38.799 thing on the on the side of the head, you know, do you 404 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:44.319 remember that if he was had the head had a haircut. I don't know 405 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.440 if he did it on purpose, but now that you mentioned it, he 406 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:53.319 did resemble a vinofa ice. But he was just he was charming. I 407 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:59.119 mean he was just a yeah, that little accent and right right, I 408 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.519 mean women loved him and men wanted to be He was just a sp He 409 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.359 was just a special guy. He was just full of energy and he was 410 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:12.200 just had this magnetic personality that it was just and he was He was warm 411 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.200 too. He was legit. He told you what was on his mind. 412 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:23.599 He he didn't hold anything back and he was he spoke his peace and uh. 413 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:29.759 He had just massive amounts of people that just loved him and respected him. 414 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:30.880 And I'm one of them. Right, No, No, I agree 415 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.960 with you. A lot of people liked him and he yeah, did have 416 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.960 he did have that drawl. I'm sure a lot of women loved him when 417 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.079 he was in college. Man, I hate yeah, all you guys had 418 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.359 all the all the women and I joke, of course, you know, 419 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.440 good looks and haircuts, but yeah, he was a good fun too. 420 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.200 Uh. Let me ask you of all the people you've talked to, I'm 421 00:28:52.200 --> 00:29:00.119 sure you've talked to a few about him, just messaging and uh, just 422 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:07.319 messages from from people. I spoke with Pete Russell on the phone. I 423 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.480 don't know if he played for both him and he was a g A, 424 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:21.119 which I think it's last year there just uh just threw us for a loop. 425 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:26.839 It was just so unexpected and there's there's no way you can sugarcoat this. 426 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.000 This is just it's just just a sad day. In fact, uh, 427 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.960 Jay was talking before before that there's been a lot of the guys who 428 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.960 have passed at a young age. Yeah, you know, just in your 429 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:45.160 group, just after your group, Uh, for whatever reason. No, 430 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:56.640 no, yeah, pooh uh uh, I'm sorry, Warner Smith. I 431 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.519 could go on and on. There's probably half a dozen more than I'm sure, 432 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.960 only off the top of my head. It's just so sad, right, 433 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:08.200 And he was fifty two wish fifty fourish I can't remember his na. 434 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.440 Yeah, he was fifty four fifty four. And if I don't want to, 435 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.680 I want to talk about your brother, who we all thought the world 436 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.759 of two when he played here in the late eighties, played for the Seattle 437 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.599 Seahawks, if I'm correct, A great guy and he passed at a young 438 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:30.640 age for five. Yeah, well, I'm sure that hits you differently too. 439 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.839 I mean, you have your good friend and now you know, yeah 440 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.759 back in the day you had your brother. This one hurt almost as much. 441 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:45.920 Wow, havn't Heath Hearing the news about Heath? I just felt like 442 00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:52.240 somebody punched me in the stomach. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah right, 443 00:30:52.839 --> 00:31:00.359 Yeah, you know that's the good thing is is that remember and talking 444 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.039 about it and just remembering the good times we have. I was kept finding 445 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:08.039 myself laughing alive thinking about the memories that we had, So it takes away 446 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.640 some of the pain. And talking about it with you helps. And I 447 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.000 know time is going to take care of things. But it's just a terrible 448 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.319 loss for the u of a community and for the people that knew him and 449 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:23.160 loved him. And our last words, I can our last words and our 450 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:27.319 messages was love you tough. That was That was the last time I spoke 451 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:36.240 with him, So I you know what, I guess I can rest easy 452 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.440 knowing and I reading a lot of comments that he had on with his friends. 453 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:42.200 He always endited it with you know, love you, And that's that's 454 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.319 just the kind of guy that he was just special. Buy there won't be 455 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.480 another one, just there won't be another one like him. He was one 456 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.240 of a kind. If I can let me transition into something that's a little 457 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.559 different. You live in Seattle, you've been there for a while now. 458 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.519 You see jeg fish in the headlines a lot. What's the recess shouldn't been 459 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.400 up there? Very positive, very positive there. The thing is with them, 460 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.519 they can only go down. I mean, they were almost at the 461 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:15.079 pinnacle of national championship and anything else. But that is going to be U. 462 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.279 It's going to be on him. But I wish him all the best 463 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:23.440 of luck, and I never felt bad about I'm really excited about the u 464 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:28.680 of A coming in and the group that they were able to keep together, 465 00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:34.759 which I'm really happy with the people that were able to stay so but I 466 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:39.000 hear nothing but positive things and the people that they're bringing in, I wish 467 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.920 them the desk. I'm not a Husky fan, though, I just know 468 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.039 I hang around Husky fans and they accept me for being an Arizona fan, 469 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:51.039 and that's everybody's fine with it, right right, Okay, Well, Paul 470 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.519 will appreciate your time. Thanks for bringing us some memories. Yeah, thanks 471 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.240 again for having me on. I appreciate you. Got you both of you. 472 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.759 Take care and I'll hopefully talk to you on the road. Thanks, 473 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.440 Paul, appreciate it. Hi God bless Yeah, send you, Thanks very 474 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.000 much. No, that's good stuff. I knew that he had mentioned his 475 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:12.400 son being that's something. What you know, you name your kid after somebody 476 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.880 that's meaningful. Yeah, yeah, that said and that's forever. So that's 477 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:20.279 very cool. But you know, just very sad, sad thing for everybody. 478 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.680 As we were saying, you know, Heath was just one of those 479 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:27.000 guys that you know, he kind of made everybody happy. Sure, and 480 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.880 and to see a guy like that, you know, get taken away like 481 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.440 yeah and here a lockdown in Tucson and talk to football all the time. 482 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.400 Hey, let's let's take a break so we can kind of transition to other 483 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.799 things. I think we're gonna get another call about Heath later from somebody, 484 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.440 but we can move on and right, let's go and take our break and 485 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.160 we'll take your calls. Five to two zero four one four forty. 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Come be 520 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.840 a part of a winning team. The A Team Apply online today at a 521 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:21.039 team security dot net. This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and 522 00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:25.639 Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. Subscribe now to the podcast on the 523 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:30.239 iHeartRadio A app Just Surgery I on the Ball. Hey, welcome back to 524 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.599 I them out here on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve, He's Jay 525 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.800 Kevin with us. Got fifteen minutes. If you guys want to give us 526 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.360 a call. We missed you. I missed you. You know I didn't 527 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.599 miss them, Steve. They were here. I was here with them the 528 00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.960 whole time. Who called everybody? Yeah? Yeah, you know, we 529 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.079 had we had good call, you know, I mean after the loss, 530 00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.480 you know, yeah, you got some calls and nobody horrible just you know, 531 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:57.880 the callers were okay, you know, uh, well we have sensible 532 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.679 people. Yeah, yeah, you know, nobody called and ran on, 533 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.199 you know, on the team. What do you know, what are you 534 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:10.320 gonna do? Yeah? I have a hard time uh hearing this. Okay, 535 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:14.679 they missed all these shots and it happens, right, but why not 536 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.719 get the ball down low? Well, they went to a zone. They 537 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.719 went to a zone. It's very difficult to do that, right, and 538 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.559 if you get it to Ballow, Okay, you get it to Ballow and 539 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:27.199 he does catch it, and he does and they fell him, what's gonna 540 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.199 happen? Well, the only thing I would say that because I thought about 541 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.280 that exactly that. But I also thought though that early in the early in 542 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.800 the second half, when they were following them, they got the sums into 543 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.480 foul trouble, they ultimately would have run out of fouls. Sure, right, 544 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.920 guys would have filed out and stuff like that. PJ Hall started the 545 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.039 second half of no fouls and like, I don't know, and he had 546 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:46.800 three, Like no time. That's what I'm saying during that time that they're 547 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:51.760 they're they're pounding the ball down low something. Yes, they should have pounded 548 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:54.559 the ball down low more. Okay, if you shooting free throws, fine, 549 00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.920 he's gonna make some we'd hope, you think. But even if he 550 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.599 didn't, you're gonna get them. You're going to run out of falls down 551 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.719 there, because they were already doing that. But they just didn't get the 552 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.360 ball down there. And you're right, it may have been just as simple 553 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.159 as the defense that they were uh that that they were running the Arizona could 554 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.559 not you get fill and well that's not a shock because it's been the kryptonite 555 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:21.000 forever zone zone zone and how would you play them zone? And that's what 556 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.920 they did. It was it was a pretty good coaching job by by the 557 00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.079 Clemson coach. And they were pretty good, let me tell you, Paul 558 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:32.440 and the other guy sh slide Barna, Yeah, very very good, basic 559 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.679 good players. And then the guards were good too. I mean again, 560 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.159 we didn't know who they were until you know, and they're down by ten, 561 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.559 right, I know. They started the year out pretty well and pretty 562 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:45.519 well, you know, and that was my story. Then they they were 563 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:51.280 the anti North Carolina state where you know, here they are, and they 564 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.920 beat those teams, They beat those teams, they beat South Carolina, they 565 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.840 beat Alabama, they beat North Carolina. I think it was whoever was very 566 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.559 good. South Carolina, the good teams, and here they were and they 567 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.320 showed who they were. They were pretty good. Yeah yeah. Chase Hunter 568 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.840 had eighteen, seven rebounds and five assists. PJ. Hall had seventeen. 569 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.639 Very good player, inside out guy and the other guy was very good in 570 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.360 shiffling. Good centered, good basic, good center. Yeah. I mean 571 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.280 for a while I thought they were gonna win that game. For who Arizona 572 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.880 Clemson the their phad a game. Oh yeah yeah, and they had they 573 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.639 did they had them Yeah, same game too, yeah, same game. 574 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:36.840 They hit their threes though. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, you 575 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.159 like this final four it's not sexy. We're going We're going to it. 576 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:42.000 You're going to it. I'm going to do it. It's not sexy. 577 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.800 Uh. Well, to mean, let's get to the championship game of Connecticut 578 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.679 and proved, well, that's not gonna happen. Now, why, I 579 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.840 hope because he said that. I don't even want to talk to you about 580 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.679 Houston. I don't even want to. Oh god, that's right. I 581 00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:01.039 forgot. They were your boys and me and Kelvin have bad luck. Yeah, 582 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.360 or Kevin and I have bad luck because their guy goes out and they 583 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:08.760 can't figure it out. Yeah, they were. I really liked the way 584 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:13.079 they played, and maybe Kelvin wasn't gonna win it, but they were fun 585 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.119 to watch. They were fun to watch even when they didn't have it I 586 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:22.559 should. I like if it's Yukon purdueing the championship. I really really liked 587 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.400 that game. That's that's gonna be the best game. That's the best if 588 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:28.679 you looked at the whole sixty fourteen field, that's the best game you could 589 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.400 put together with the way Purdue was playing. Even I didn't I didn't have 590 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.679 Purdue playing that well. I didn't think they were going to be this good 591 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.519 at the start of but now they are. Well, they're the only team 592 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.480 that has a chance against you. If you were to pick the tournament, 593 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:45.159 and we all did three weeks ago, you would have said, Okay, 594 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:50.760 Chalk, you'm purdueue or I didn't like that much because but I would have 595 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.519 taken Purdue over Houston. Let's take this call. Hi, you're on the 596 00:40:53.559 --> 00:41:00.760 air and on the ball, just cod Cody, how are you good? 597 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:07.960 Steve? How are you? But I'm actually good? But obviously right all 598 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.719 right? No, and you you're going to call in you you had a 599 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.840 great relationship with Heath. I think he went on some trips with you and 600 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.079 you had He was always down here, you guys together in Phoenix a lot. 601 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.880 Give me your story with him. Well, I first met Heath when 602 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.960 he was actually playing, so I'm few years older than him. But I 603 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.159 was at the Green Dolphin one night with a buddy of mine I believe it's 604 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:35.440 Mike Phillipson, who you knows, and we're playing pool, and uh we 605 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:43.119 played Jeff Hammerschmidt and Heat and we had a great time. I had a 606 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.719 couple of beers, you know. Uh ran into three weeks later he came 607 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.400 up to me. He was like, Tody right, and I'm like yeah. 608 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.800 And that was in the midst of his career and and uh that's when 609 00:41:54.800 --> 00:42:00.639 he was maybe a sophomore and he was playing special teams and defensive I think. 610 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.400 And so I started following him a little bit. And uh, I 611 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:08.119 remember the next year he became a he became Jeremy. I was get a 612 00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:15.679 little bit of feedback, you good, yeah, yeah. And the next 613 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.599 year he he was a middle linebacker and then the senior of course, the 614 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.719 famous he started at quarterback against Miami, but The thing about Heat that I 615 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:30.480 remembered when I first met him is for such a nice guy. He was 616 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.280 maybe the toughest guy. He was a Chuck Cecil type guy, Randon Sanders, 617 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.480 Chuck Cecil. Just he get laid it out all in line, and 618 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:42.079 he was hit that six pack, and he'd wear the jersey kryd of rolled 619 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.559 up and and uh and and and those special teams. He would go down 620 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:51.360 there and just like take on the whole wedge and fire up the crowd. 621 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.679 And so that's why I first got to know him. And then as he 622 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.000 got a little bit older, he went and coached Oklahoma, and when he 623 00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.840 came back to Tucson, he came to work with us at Mueller and Associates. 624 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.480 For help you, I didn't even know that. Okay, yeah, 625 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.599 a lot of people don't know that. And and I was kind of like 626 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.599 a mentor to Heath, and his love was financial planning, so he went 627 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:14.239 into financial planning. But the cool story at Mueller Associates. One day I 628 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.360 was going up and remember this is a really cool spot back in the day, 629 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:21.920 Dave sitting and worked in our building. I was going upstairs to talk 630 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.639 to Dave, and I walked by heath office, which is about the size 631 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:28.280 of a broom closet. He's like, hey, Cody, got come in 632 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.239 here. Man. He's always like bro, and he's like, I want 633 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.519 you meet my buddy. And I'm like and he goes, this is Gino 634 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.559 and I'm like, oho, you know, and we're just visiting away and 635 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.679 I said, how you guys know each other? He goes, well, 636 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.159 I'm just driving through Tucson. I'm driving back to Florida from California. And 637 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.960 he's I used to play football against each other. I'm like, wait a 638 00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:52.840 minute, you're Gino Torretta and he goes, yep. So you know, 639 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:59.440 the Heisman Trophy winner came through Tucson. And and did you see Gino tweet 640 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:04.199 to Hanson's response to Anthony's tweet yesterday, Steve, Yeah, yeah, you 641 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.119 know, like the only guy ever played against suit up against who one year 642 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:13.639 was linebacker and the next year was quarterback. So I mean Heath And and 643 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:16.440 then as the years went on, and I'm calling you from Phoenix right now, 644 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:21.320 I'm up here doing business all the time. Every single time in town, 645 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.239 we would check in with each other, go grab lunch, and he'd 646 00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:30.840 come down to spring football games, and even through all the really tough years, 647 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:36.079 Heath was one of the few guys that didn't abandon the program. Yeah, 648 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:37.639 and that's and that's the thing about him, right, is that you 649 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.400 know, he was there through the good times and the tough times, and 650 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:47.880 that's how everybody seems to think about him. Yeah. I was sucking to 651 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.719 you guys all remember Donnie Sale on the court, right, and Donnie. 652 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.840 I was sucking Donnie last night and Donnie goes. You know, I thought 653 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:59.800 that Heath was my best friend and he goes. But I know about twenty 654 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.599 guys who think if Heath has their best friends, Yeah, and you know 655 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:07.280 I almost thought it. I didn't think he you know, was the best 656 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.480 friend, but he was for sure one of my best friends. And I 657 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:13.559 love the guy because, you know what, he was one of those guys 658 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:19.400 that would be like you, so happy for his friends, Steve. He's 659 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.079 happy for you with your with your radio show, you know how you you 660 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.639 climb back after your your journalist, your your writing career. He was happy 661 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.920 for everybody in business. He was never one of those class half empty guys. 662 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:37.239 He was unbelievably positive, right, No, that's the guy we remember, 663 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.159 thanks Cody for calling in great stuff. Yeah, I just uh, 664 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.719 you know, we're going to do something for him, sort of like a 665 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.920 scholarship for him. So as people start calling you, if you can kind 666 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:55.280 of get the word out his legacy disappointing, be sure we get the details 667 00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:58.920 on that, and we'll make sure that that guy has been put together right 668 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:00.920 now by his family. But we'll we'll for sure get it. You guys, 669 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.320 Thank you perfect having me Cody. Thank you. Cody was one of 670 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.599 those good guys, one of those Greek guys. Yeah. No, that's 671 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:13.639 the interesting something you know to really can tell at the crack up. Yeah, 672 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.360 yeah, just Heisman trophy. I just want yeah, okay, okay, 673 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.239 let's go. Anybody else want to call play love to hear five to 674 00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.360 any stories about Heath or anything else you remember about him. I mean, 675 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.199 he was again and you know what, Steve, I mean, he was 676 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.599 a really good player kind of you know, but he wasn't Ricky Honley, 677 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:35.320 he wasn't Cecil, he wasn't you know, Teddy Bruskie. But yet you 678 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.400 you talk about him, sure, and people think of him in the same 679 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:43.360 way, you know, from a team a team kind of guy. Sure, 680 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.960 no, no question, because he played all the positions and he kind 681 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.320 of and this is you know honesty, he kind of became bigger, in 682 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.480 bigger thirty years later than he was at the time. Well, because of 683 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.480 what Desert Swarm became, right, that became sort of the face of the 684 00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:00.679 program, and he was he's credited with because of the kind of player he 685 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.679 was, right, played linebacker, quarterback, played safety, play but because 686 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:12.679 that that guy, that type of guy is what Desert Swarm was. All 687 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.400 those guys were like that, whether it was Bruski, Tony Bowie, uh, 688 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.280 Brandon Sanders, you know, guys like Jim Hoffman, you know, 689 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.920 Jimmy Hopkins. All those guys were on those teams. All those guys were 690 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:30.840 like that. George Malaulu, right, all those guys were those were that 691 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.039 type and there was a whole bunch of them that made up that group of 692 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.880 guys. That's why people think of he the way they think of him, 693 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:43.440 because he was one of those guys that built this and they'll always be credited 694 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.880 with that. It would be one of the guys. I mean, he 695 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:47.440 wasn't all America or anything, but he was one of those guys that was 696 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.639 as much a part of that as as anything. I still remember him looking 697 00:47:52.639 --> 00:48:00.000 like the eyes I don't I don't get that one. But okay, yeah, 698 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.719 this is Alan Phoenix. I haven't called for a while. I always 699 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:08.239 call you usually after u of A has disappointed in the tournament. Knows your 700 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:14.760 time. Yeah, well, you know, I I thought they were overseated 701 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.519 to begin with. I don't think they should have been a number two seeds. 702 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:20.360 And I actually think if Nevada had won, they would have they would 703 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.800 have lost in the around of thirty two. I mean, the team was 704 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:28.079 very uneven. You know, they they they and they had some talents, 705 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.800 but you know, I think I think the recruiting has to get better too. 706 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.119 Tommy, he needs to be a better coach. But he also if 707 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.280 they want to be you know, if they want to make it to a 708 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:37.800 final four, they have to have they have to have better talent too. 709 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.800 Well. I mean that goes without saying, I mean you got you know, 710 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.320 okay, you got this far with this level of player, You got 711 00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.159 to get better players. I mean, I thought this group was good enough 712 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:52.159 to get to the final four, uh, you know, and and it 713 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.320 might have been if they'd have played somebody other than Clemson on that day. 714 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:59.360 So let me ask you how old are you? I am fifty four, 715 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:02.440 okay, so in our in our range by rings at least, So let 716 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:10.880 me ask you. Okay, the Fantasy State and uh Santa Clara and Miami 717 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.119 Ohio all those and I thought, you know, the National Championship and the 718 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.760 final four. Okay, well yeah, Firon Rain right, Okay, So 719 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:22.880 let me ask you, then in ninety seven, ninety seven, early March, 720 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:28.119 you're not thinking that team wins the title realistically, right, Yeah, 721 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.400 that's true. That one cave is that was a that was a shocker. 722 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.639 I mean, we thought the backcourt, they said, the backcourt we knew 723 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.000 was kind of We did know that that backcourt had a lot of potential, 724 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.639 Okay, I think Mike didby the minute that he stepped on the campus. 725 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.519 We knew to say, but they it was potential. But yeah, you're 726 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.039 right, I know one thought they were going to win the National champions Okay, 727 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.800 So to be fair, no one thought that they were fifth in the 728 00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:52.480 league. And then I guess a year later, to the day of March 729 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.840 whatever, tell me you you didn't think they were going to win the title? 730 00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:00.679 No, I I had that that the you know, the the year 731 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.199 they lost they got massacred by Utah. Yeah, that that year. I 732 00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.000 did think I thought they were going to repeat. I saw nothing that that 733 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:12.800 indicated that they weren't going to I mean that that wasn't a That was a 734 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.960 That game I think was the lowest shooting percentage in the in the Olson era. 735 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.719 Maybe that game that was a that was just such a total surprise and 736 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.280 a shock. So my point is you never know what team you're gonna see 737 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:30.360 what you know, that's true. But I think this u of a team 738 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:35.119 this year gave had a lot of reasons to give us pause though, because 739 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.920 there are a lot of you know, that game again Stanford, where they 740 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.159 couldn't they couldn't stop anybody. Oh my god, that was terrible. They 741 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.920 gave up one hundred points to Stanford. No, I hear you, I 742 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.480 hear you. But good things. You didn't put any money on them, 743 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.960 probably, or did you? Oh no, no, no, no way, 744 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.519 you know. Just and now they're in this big you know, the 745 00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:00.320 thing is interesting, they're in the Big twelve, so which is all considered 746 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:05.599 a far better basketball conference in the Pac twelve. And the question is, 747 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:07.960 you know, I wouldn't be surprised that there are a lot more losses next 748 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.639 year. Yeah, because I think it's gonna be. They're gonna fight a 749 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:14.800 greater competition. I don't know, you know, depends, like you said, 750 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.480 the players. Who are we getting in, who's gonna go on the 751 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:22.559 portal, who's gonna transfer all this kind of uh leave early. It's it's 752 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.519 still a real question mark. Yeah, we'll buckle up. Is gonna be 753 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.159 okay? You know, it's just well, you know, that's how I 754 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.760 thought, you know, And I'm not surprised by the You know, if 755 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.639 you look at that Alabama tea, it's like you aight beat them, but 756 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.559 they had You know, they're tough. They're tough teams. They're gonna give 757 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:45.960 They're gonna give a chuperl too. I was playing yukon ra a little bit. 758 00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:51.079 I guess we'll hear from you next March. Oh. I hope, 759 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.199 I hope sometime I gonna call you. I'm like, it's it's a positive 760 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.079 I don't They don't have to have win the championship begin. You just have 761 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.360 to get to another FINALO. You'll get a positive call, all right, 762 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.920 all right, wel thanks for the call. Appreciate it, all right, 763 00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.159 thank you. Jay. You've been around sixty four years. You've been to 764 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:14.079 four final fours, I think one national title. Enjoy your time. Yes, 765 00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:16.039 exactly. It's not easy. It's not easy. It's very hard. 766 00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:17.880 All right, let's take our break. We're at the top of the hour 767 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:22.039 of Kevin's Back with breaking news. We've got some stuff breaking out of Arizona 768 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:22.199 basketball, so stick around.