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It's time for coffee and company,
fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine

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day. Now here's Nick Coffee.
You know we won't be able to,

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I guess really assess the roster until
it's put together, regardless if you're a

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Louisville fan or a Kentucky fan.
But both teams are going to be building

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rosters, I believe, almost from
scratch. And again we have no clue

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who it's going to include, which, of course then leads to expectation.

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But I think it's gonna be fun, especially if it plays out like this

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where you know you've got every keep
in mind. A couple of weeks ago,

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it was the big addition from James
Madison Fats, who kind of just

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seems like a forgotten guy now,
but he was the Sun Belt player of

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the year and one of the top
players in the portal. And now it's

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Javon Holliday who's transferring from Colorado.
He made the decision earlier today. Visited

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over the last couple of days a
six to six guard who played at Colorado

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for two seasons. Prior to that
was at Juco and was a really good

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Juco player, and sometimes that happens, right. There are some guys that

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end up at a JUCO and they
end up being a low level Division one

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player, and you know they were
at JUCO because of grades that kind of

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stuff. But then there's some guys
that go to JUCO and really it's almost

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like a prep school for them,
not because they're you know, playing for

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montverd or IMG, it's because they
literally just aren't ready yet and they can

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develop. And that sound. I
mean, just go look at what this

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guy looked like before he ended up
at Colorado. I mean, I think

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he was kind of, as they
say, a late bloomer, but really

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productive in the last couple of years. Twelve points, six rebounds, fifty

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four percent from the floor, six
to six guard. But also, you

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know, not a guy who's going
to run your team as a point guard,

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but can pass it a little bit
and can use his size to his

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advantage. So a good get there, no doubt, and just an interesting

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This has nothing to do with him
as a player, but just something that

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I found to be interesting about him. As in high school he was an

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AAU teammate of both Chet Holmgren and
Jalen Suggs. He's from the Minnesota area,

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So I'm not sure if he was
under recruited because of that or maybe

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he just developed late. But Pat
Kelsey now has four players on the roster

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as the goal, I think the
goal is thirteen. You get thirteen scholarships,

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so we'll see how many they end
up using. I would imagine they'll

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use nearly all of them. But
keep in mind, when you get down

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to those last few scholarships, if
you're trying to sell those two guys in

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the portal that are looking for a
big role, it may be that you've

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kind of already added dudes that are
expected to fill that role. So I

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don't really know what you know when
you get down you need what eight nine

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guys really to have depth, and
then a lot of good teams don't even

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play that many guys, to be
honest with you, But what it comes

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down to is having ten guys in
practice that can help you get better.

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So I would hope that they have
ten scholar players, and I think they're

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going to have more than that,
but I hope they have ten scholarship players

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that are guys that you can,
you know, hope contribute, and maybe

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two of those guys will be kind
of You know, their role will be

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dependent upon matchup situation, but I
think they can get to ten. I

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do all right. It is Coffee
and Company. We are filed by Thornton's

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here on Sports Talk seven ninety Kentucky. You know they're they're kind of in

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the same situation, right. They've
got a coach coming in from another job

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that's going to bring a player or
two with them. They haven't landed anybody

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in Kentucky just yet as far as
a guy that is not affiliated with Mark

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Pope. But that was what happened
earlier today. Colin Chandler, a former

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top forty player in the twenty twenty
two class, was released from his letter

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of intent and is now going to
play college basketball at Kentucky for Mark Pope.

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And it'll be the first time he
plays college basketball because he was on

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a two year Mormon mission after his
after he graduated high school. So I

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could be wrong, and I don't
know anything about the Mormon culture, and

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you know what you're required and what
you're asked to do and really what you're

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not allowed to do when you're on
a mission trip. But I don't think

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I'm just throwing crazy stuff out there. To ask the question, like,

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how much basketball is this dude played
in the last two years. Doesn't mean

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he can't be good, but he's
a top forty player. And I said

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this earlier in the show. I
feel like anybody who gets a top forty

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player should feel like they're getting a
good player. But Kentucky, you know,

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you're seeing those that cover the team
and their fans and this is not

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me picking fun at you or this
is just this is just so different than

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what we saw previously under Caliperry for
fourteen years. Anybody get to top forty

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player that is in Kentucky, the
snark from Kentucky fans would be loud,

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that's a cute little player. Let's
see maybe a four star. That's cute.

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And then they'll mention that they've got
four guys that are all ranked ahead

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of this player. But now they're
like massive, get for Pope, Oh

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the first one. It's a big
one. Colin Chandler sign him up.

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So he may be great, But
it's just I would never expect fans to

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ever look at a top forty player
and you know, not be happy.

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But Kentucky was in such a different
position with Cali Perry and clearly that wasn't

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the way to go about it anymore. Right, Like they could get five

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stars every year, they still weren't
getting it done when it mattered most.

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So I'm sure they're going to be
content with the way Mark Pope is going

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to go about it until you know, he starts to lose. And there's

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a lot of time before you can
even determine if he's going to win or

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lose, because it's April sixteenth.
And also another name we've talked about,

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bollow the big man who transferred from
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He got to Bloomington. Bloomington had
the bag ready and I guess it

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was filled with what he wanted and
he decided to commit to Mike Woodson.

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So Mark Woodson has done a really
good job thus far in the portal.

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They landed the PAC twelve Freshman of
the Year from was it Washington State?

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Yes? And Rice. And there's
a transfer from Stanford who Trilla Donna and

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says, lock it in. He's
going to Indiana Sonan Carlyle. Yeah.

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So Mike Woodson, you know they
wanted him gone. Now he's putting together

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a good roster in the portal and
maybe another coach would have done it.

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But you know, I'm just gonna
put it out there if Mike Woodson has

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a good season next year and they're
like top twenty throughout, you know,

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have a loss here and there that
maybe he's a head scratcher, but like

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they'll be in the tournament safely,
get a decent seed, and we know

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you got to win the tournament or
none of that matters. But I'm just

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gonna say, if that's the scenario
where they end up having a good season,

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where they're a top four, top
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ten team throughout, I'm not going
to be surprised, and I'll be remembering

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all the nasty things that Who's your
Nation said about it was nasty. Now

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I'll gladly say it wasn't a part
of it if they're that good next year.

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I always hope that I didn't like
influence you like I didn't make no

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I was never whenever. I believe
it was back in December, so it

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was kind of before the season really
went south. That was the beginning of

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people getting a little ye set.
They were the name around. They were

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done get fired, which is a
shame. But you know, I think

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they'll be happy with it. Next
year. We'll see I hope. So

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all right, five W two five
hundred is the number. If you guys

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want to jump in and join us
on the phone lines. Uh, let's

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go to Jerry. Jerry, you're
on Sports Talk seven ninety. How are

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you, sir, I'm good.
I just want to give you my take,

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my perspective, my opinion about all
this stuff, Okay, And it's

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to me, it's fascinating. There's
so many layers such there's so many different

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ways you can look at this,
the dynamics of the whole thing. The

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money. First of all, I'll
say this. I just read a tweet

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by Jeff Goodman that Bollow's asking price
was one point two million. Yea,

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I you fan earlier today? Tell
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got him freight hundred thousand were where
he landed? I don't know, but

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it's it's fascinating to me because all
this, I guess came from Ed O'Bannon

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seeing his likeness on a video game. It's Shabba's napier saying at the Final

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four that he went to bed Hungary
crazy. But here's my take on it.

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I'm for the players getting their piece
of the pie. I've always said

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that is this the right way to
do it? Who knows, But I'll

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give you a couple of stories selection
Sunday. I didn't see it this year,

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but usually when they flashed to Kentucky, they would be sitting in Cali

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Perry's house. And I think I
mentioned it to my wife more than one

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year. I said, wonder what's
running through those guys' head sitting in that

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big house. You know, they're
the ones putting in the work, sweating,

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you know, maybe juggling a few
classes. Maybe not. Who knows

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from that perspective, but it always
made me uncomfortable to watch that scene fold

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out with them, and a lot
of coaches did it Now so more they're

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in a big conference room or something, and they're probably feeding them a big

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meal, and they're not in their
houses. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that.

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I'm pretty sure that Caliperi was still
in his house this year. Okay,

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Well, I remember a few years
back. I believe it was Northwestern's

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football team sort of staged a coup
or they were gonna do a little protest.

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Yeah, they talked about unionizing Jerry, I think is what it was,

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yes, sir, okay. And
I got on the message boards because

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I was more of a message boards
guy. Now I'm more of a Twitter

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guy, right, And I remember
doing a Danny Hurley to everybody on that

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message board and I said, it's
coming, it's coming, get ready,

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And I was for it, you
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And I remember getting laughed off that
message board because I said that,

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right. I always felt like that
the players would leverage themselves with an NCAA

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tournament boycott once the bracket was drawn. It never came to that, but

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that's what I sort of envisioned in
my head. But now it's flipped and

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they've got the power. One thing
I don't understand is we talk about the

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money. And I've got a good
source that I believe that it said,

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you know, l Ellis when he
went to Arkansas, he was paid nineteen

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thousand a month. Now, when
that started and when it ended, I

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don't know. But then you read
all these things where people say that people

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are getting the money and then leaving. I'd love to know the dynamics of

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that and how that works, you
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directions I want to head, and
I don't know if I'll be able to

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get it all in. But one
of the things that I find interesting about

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this whole deal is this, Okay, you got an assistant coach and he's

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making, say, three point fifty
four hundred thousand a year for a high

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level program, and he gets stuck
on a play and he convinces that Pat

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Kelsey or or a Mark Pope to
to go with his guy that he's discovered

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and found, and he's convinced one
of those guys this is the guy.

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And then you get him to campus
and he doesn't pan out, but you're

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but you're out four hundred, say
you're out two hundred thousand, three hundred

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thousand, But you got a guy
that you paid one hundred thousand that's working

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out a lot better. That's another
dynamic that everybody's not even you know,

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what do you do about it?
Because I've always heard that it's really tough

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for walk ons because the assistant coaches
are gonna pitch for the guy they brought

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in, and they're gonna and they're
gonna not give the walk on much of

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a chance. And I find it
hard to believe this money isn't gonna be

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another dynamic in the room when the
coaches are cutting up the playing time.

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All right, No, there's no
doubt about it, Jerry. And look,

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I think yeah as much as I
as much as I tell coaches like,

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hey, you know, like you
make a lot of money, make

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adjustments a lot of us and our
and our jobs have to adjust as things

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change. But with that said,
it is, I mean, it's almost

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impossible to manage, especially when you
are not allowed to actually, you know

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you're not. I'm sure they are
involved more than they're supposed to be as

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far as instaively rules, but it
like to say that it is an absolute

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mess is an understatement. Well,
I'm all for the again, I'm for

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the players getting their fair share.
I feel like they've been screwed for years.

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Okay. I put it all on
the NCAA, the administrations that took

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the big checks from the conferences,
the coaches that took the big salaries,

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and they didn't get ahead of this
thing and come up with a better system.

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They were getting theirs, and they
could have cared less about the most

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important component, and that was the
players. And I find it almost comical

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at this point. And I got
one more thing to say out. I

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talked to Kentucky fan yesterday that it
was all excited. You know, he

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had watched that Sunday deal and prior
to him, that's cool, and he

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and and and the thing he said, which I laughed when he said it,

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he said, basically, I'm finally
gonna get to know my players again.

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And I said, no, no, no, you're you're so wrong.

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I said, dead wrong. I
said, you're never going to retain

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more than three or four a year, no matter what happens. And and

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that's my perspective. You agree with
that in their district. I just don't

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see it happening for any school to
be able to keep anybody. And the

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thing I told the guy was this, I said, say you got a

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guy that scores seven and has four
boards a game. I said, if

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he doesn't get a raise, he's
got a shop, right, he's got

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to take up, take up for
himself, and say, oh, I

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got to throw my name in there
and see what's out there. Right.

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Let me give you. Let me
give you an example for the Kentucky side

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lance where you remember him, say
he was probably a seven and four guy

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at best at Kentucky and you know
he hit the portal goes to Villanova.

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I mean, and Jerry, I
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you know, about being long winter
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appreciate the conversation. But no,
I think when it comes to the days

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of getting to know your players,
you can get to know them, but

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it won't be for very long.
And I'm not saying you'll never have a

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guy that's there four years, but
that's gonna be really, really rare because

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even if you've got nil resources for
a player that's good and doesn't have NBA

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upside. And this is not a
knock or a shot at Mark Pope,

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it's just the truth. Mark Pope
could be really good. He ain't gonna

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have NBA upside like cal Perry did, because that's just how cala Perry builds

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his roster. And you can have
very little NBA upside on your roster and

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still be really really good. You
think Oakland had much NBA upside on that

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roster. No, So my point
is this, like, there are gonna

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be dudes who had a good run
and didn't have NBA upside, but they've

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been able to make money in the
portal and then they move on, like

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for example, Tyrese Hunter. I
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Maybe was it Texas the last couple
of years, had two good years,

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made a lot of money Texas can
pay. He's in the portal again

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just because you know what he can. Like, guys are not gonna stick

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around for four years unless the money's
in a great spot. They don't have

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NBA upside. And the only thing
I could think of it that would keep

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him around is that if they are
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like Kentucky could do it because they
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mean, the elite of the elite
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entire career. But I think the
elite of the elite at a place like

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that, you would think they have
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just ready to start through. It
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so good, but they realized they'll
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an example, and it's kind of
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but also in the middle of anile. And that was Trace Jackson Davis.

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He could have easily gone somewhere else
during the Woods and changeover, but he

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stuck around because he wasn't quite ready
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you got a four year player out
of somebody like it. Yeah, and

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he's a good one because he's actually
doing well in the NBA. And I

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thought he slipped in the draft but
the Warriors were lucky to get him.

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But no, he he and he's
an Indiana guy like he would never leave

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and go to another school, so
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But here's this. You know,
this is not me telling you that

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Mark Pope's gonna fail and he's gonna
stink. Because here's the thing. If

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you coach a little bit and you're
at Kentucky, you're gonna be fine because

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Kentucky's got a lot of resources that
make it to where you should succeed.

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And I don't think Mark Pope's a
bad coach, but the way he wants

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to go out and build a roster
right now in the way Kentucky fans I

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think are envisioning this playing out with
him being there and getting you know,

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guys that are going to stick around
three four years look, it's Kentucky.

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So maybe guys would just decide not
to leave because you know what, they're

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at a great place. But I
just that that, you know what Jerry

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mentioned, as far as what one
of his buddies said, that's not That's

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just not how this works anymore at
all. So I mean, Pope,

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could I mean and again, if
by you they had guys that transferred in,

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they had guys that transferred out,
but it was ANU. It's a

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unique spot, meaning like the Mormon
faith and the Mormons. That's some of

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the part. It looks me real. The top forty player who ended up

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at BYU who's now transferring to Kentucky, the guy we talked about earlier,

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Colin Chandler, Like, I'm assuming
his Mormon faith is why he went to

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BYU. So I get why Kentucky
fans are excited as can be about Mark

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Pope. And I don't blame him
at all because he's such a refreshing change

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of pace to what you were used
to with Caliperry. But I wouldn't be

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shocked if their roster next year is
insanely underwhelming, because you know he's got

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an il and you know it's Kentucky. But this is different for him.

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This is new to him, and
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the same thing about Pat Kelsey,
and Pat Kelsey's been on the job a

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lot longer than Mark Pope. But
I'm really fascinated to see how that roster

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put is put together for them in
year one. You know, they're going

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after Andres Stryakovich, pages Stuakovic Son, who's transferring from Stanford. Fine player,

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decent recruit, but he wasn't like
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The two guys from Byu Robinson and
Khalifa, John L. Davis,

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And really I think it's kind of
a last minute thing because everybody's wondering why

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the hell and this guy committed to
Michigan yet I've heard it's academic related,

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probably because that's helped that's that's that's
kept other guys from being able to go

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there too. Yeah, Caleb.
And then now they're apparently reaching out to

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Liam McNeely, who is the best
available freshman out there. Maybe they get

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him, but they're also coming in
late. So look, I have no

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clue how Louis was roster's gonna turn
out either, But you know, I'd

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say, in a week's time,
you'll start to see if Mark Pope's really

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gravitating some momentum in regards to the
portal, right, Like he's now selling

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the UK logo and he can do
it than a lot because he played there.

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You know, he knows what it's
like. But if he's gonna truly

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be in the living rooms of these
these players that are transferring with a lot

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of nil value and talk about wanting
to make sure that it's all about wanting

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you know, basically would die to
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don't know if that's gonna gonna hit. All right, quick break, we'll

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come back on the other side.
Keep this thing rolling along at his Coffee

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and Company, and we are field
by Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven

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ninety. Right before the show started
today, I was talking to Terry Miner's

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Humble Brag there, but we were
talking about what Twitter has become as far

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as just the generic accounts that say, you know, CFB Insider College Basketball

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twenty four to seven. I mean
it just they're not they're they're not brands,

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they're not outlets, they're not they
cannot produce work that is in any

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way even I mean, it's just
and I'm sure there are some accounts that

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are that have names similar to that, and they just you know, are

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big fans and they want to share
stuff and they're having fun with it.

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But there's some that are just I
don't know if they're set out to just

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be completely ridiculous with just running like
for example, you know, Terry was

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like, how do you know what's
real and what's not? I'm like,

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you don't, like it's it's impossible. But I now tend to not believe

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anything that comes from those types of
accounts just because not that I think everything

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they share is a love because sometimes
they just clearly just you know, share

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other information that's out there elsewhere.
But like if you see something that you

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just see as wow, surprising,
like wow, that's big news. Didn't

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expect that. I didn't see that
coming, and it's from something like that,

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like I would check the source,
like let me give you let me

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give you an example. There is
a Twitter account, I'm sorry, an

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Instagram account college football dot HQ.
Never heard of it, but it's got

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a logo and it has ten point
three thousand followers on Instagram no website,

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nobody that you know, you can't
read any actual work that's been done.

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It's just somebody sharing stuff on Instagram. And they've got a final four here

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for Lebron James's son, Brownie James, and it lists Oregon, Duke,

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Ohio State, and Louisville. That's
not real, that's not true. But

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you know how many people are going
to see that and believe it? I

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mean, and there's nothing. I
mean, there's nothing you can do.

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It's just it's now the world we're
in, Like, it's not just Twitter,

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you know, it's Instagram, it's
TikTok, it's anything. Like we

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used to say, fake news and
it used to always just to me remind

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me of Donald Trump because he would
just yell at you know, during his

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campaign and all that. But I
mean, it's it's crazy. So anyways,

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it is Coffee and Company. Welcome
in. If you're just now joining

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us, you're you're tardy. We're
about halfway through, and I guess better

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late than never, or we'll take
a little bit of a break here from

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the portal conversation as that's led the
show. Given that all three local teams

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on the basketball side of landed commitments
today from the portal and in the football

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side. Today's the day that it
opens. The post spring portal open today,

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and A Louisville has of course lost
some players, and I don't think

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there's really anyone that like of the
names we've discussed. I'm sure they would

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have liked to keep some of these
guys, but I would be willing to

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bet that there's certain players that you
see leave in the portal and you're like,

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wow, man, that's a big
hit, and you may not be

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incorrect with that. However, Jeff
Brawm to me is succeeding in the portal

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in the early stages of it because
he understands what it is, knows he

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can't control it, and does the
best he can as far as keeping people

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here that he wants to keep here, but if not, he's gonna go

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get other players. So I think
he probably understands why Jermaine Lolay and even

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Penny Boone are leaving, but he
also knows, like, hey, you

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know, I can't sit here and
tell them that they're gonna make millions of

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dollars and also can'tsider and tell them
that they're going to be number two or

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number three on the depth chart.
Even so, it's not that he wants

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these guys to leave, but I
think he just understands what this is now

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and unfortunately it's all transactional. So
and I say unfortunately it's and when what

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I mean by that is because there's
guys you clearly wouldn't want to see leave.

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But the fortunate side of is it
that if you really, you know,

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if you if you're in a good
spot with n Il and you have

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a good coach that can recruit,
that can sell the success that he has

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had, you're probably gonna be able
to go get somebody better. Not in

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every situation, obviously, but more
often than not, I think you can.

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And that's that's why Louisville's portal class
last year and the one currently that

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they have is is you know where
it ranks compared to others is because Louisville's

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not losing dudes that they can't go
replace. In fact, they're replacing them

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with players that I mean, you
never know what their production is going to

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be when they move schools, but
from what they've done at the college level,

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they are they're they're a bigger addition
than the player leaving is a loss,

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all right, So this story is
to me, this is one of

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the more fascinating stories in regards to
sports gambling becoming more and more legal all

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across the country. I mean,
it is crazy how fast it has become

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such a fixture within every sport we
watch. You see nothing but advertisements for

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all the sports books, and you
see partnerships right where you can bet on

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professional sports at a professional sports game. And I think initially it was just

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like, oh my gosh, they're
going to shut this down once. You

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see stories about players betting when they're
not supposed to, and that'll probably never

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end. But the John Tay Porter
situation is wild. So he is the

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younger brother of Michael Porter, who's
a really good player for the Denver Nuggets.

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Johntay Porter is a two way contract
kind of guy in the NBA,

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not a star. Makes a lot
of lot more money than probably a lot

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of us, but he's not somebody
that is on a lengthy, guaranteed,

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multimillion dollar contract in the NBA.
So you know, this is a guy

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that is probably trying to use money
that he does make and make more of

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it by gambling it. So it
initially came out that he was under under

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investigation. I don't think they've they've
concluded the investigation just yet. But FanDuel

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or DraftKings or ESPN bet or BEDESPN, whatever it is, one of them

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had had player props available for this
guy, and you know, he was

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seemingly doing some things that made it
look as if he was aware of what

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the totals were on his props,
and there's no way to prove that like

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what he did was you know,
for example, the investigation opened this was

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this was I think about a month
ago because DraftKings reported that is under for

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three pointers, which is not make
it's just attempts. The under was set

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at zero point five and it was
the biggest money winner for betters on any

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NBA PLoP and any NBA player props
for games that night. Again, this

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is a guy who nobody probably even
knows who he is. So the fact

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that there were enough people or maybe
it wasn't that many people, but it

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was such a sizeable wager they sniffed
it out and they reported it, and

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it's the NBA has been investigating it
ever since. And in that game,

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he played four minutes and then left
the game complaining of an injury. And

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I don't know how anybody in this
position to play basketball at this level and

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make a lot of money would ever
risk that. But maybe in his mind

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he thought to himself that he is
such a lower level like non like,

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he's probably surprised that there's even player
props for him, So he probably thought

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he could get away with it and
it wouldn't really raise any eyebrows. But

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either a ton of people found out
about it that he was going to do

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it and bet on it, or
very few people bet on it, but

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they bet so much money. But
the fact, I mean, that's not

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a coincidence, right, John,
Like can't There's no scenario that is a

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coincidence. It's crazy how many people
on these sports books have to constantly eye

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things like that too, because yeah, and they probably not then they wouldn't

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ever catch this kind of st They're
probably using AI. They've they've got you

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know, formulas in place to track
things that seem suspicious, and they have

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to not only because of you know, to regulate it and to make you

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know, I'm sure there is within
the partnerships with these professional leagues, like

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there's clearly resources available to never stop
looking into some suspicious activity. But also,

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you know, they don't want to
get beat, you know what I'm

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saying, Like, they don't want
to they don't want to lose money.

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This is way deeper than that.
But I just now now it comes out

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that in the investigation I guess,
which is still ongoing, this is Action

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Wager or I'm sorry, Action Network
is the one who reported this that he

406
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owned and operated a VIP account at
fan Duel in Colorado that wagered millions of

407
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dollars from twenty twenty one to twenty
twenty three. He allegedly placed over a

408
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:12.039
thousand wagers at the sports book.
But here's here's what's interesting. None of

409
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that was bet on basketball or college
basketball. So this is a guy who

410
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I think just loves to gamble,
and he may have a problem with it.

411
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I'm not sure. I mean,
he has a problem on his hands,

412
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no doubt about it, because I
don't think he's ever going to play

413
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.839
in the NBA again when this all
when you know, this all comes out.

414
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But I mean, I guess it's
not a surprise that someone can get

415
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hooked on gambling and make irresponsible decisions, because it does happen. But I

416
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guess a lot of people who you
think that do that. At least it's

417
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:47.920
somebody that you know, it's probably
not really good with money. It's somebody

418
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who probably doesn't have a ton of
money. I mean, you can,

419
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you can have a billion dollars and
lose a million and it ain't a big

420
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:57.960
deal to you. But this,
I mean, this is gonna ruin his

421
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life. Now. Fortunately, he'll
probably you know, he'll probably be okay,

422
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:04.839
Like I doubt he does any I
mean, I don't even know what

423
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.839
the legal action would be as far
as criminal charges and all that kind of

424
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stuff. But I mean, his
brother's an NBA star and has a lot

425
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:15.519
of money. But you know,
this guy, just looking at his his

426
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.720
looking at his let's see here,
I'm trying to find his Wikipedia just to

427
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.680
see what his like, how long
he's been in the NBA. And I

428
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:27.680
can't even find his Wikipedia because every
single you know, every article I see

429
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.759
here is just nothing. But yeah, so he is twenty four years old.

430
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.319
He entered the NBA in two thousand. So from two thousand to two

431
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:38.599
thousand, was it twenty twenty one
to twenty twenty or two twenty one twenty

432
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:44.000
three, he was just a G
League guy and I and would you guess

433
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:45.359
John, And I'm asking you to
guests here. If you're in the NBA,

434
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.160
I'm sure you can bet on other
sports, can't you? I would

435
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:52.359
say you be able to? Yeah, Like I don't. I don't see

436
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:53.119
a reason why they'd be able to
tell you that you can't do that.

437
00:29:53.960 --> 00:30:00.400
So, you know, he's he
ended up in the NBA on a actual

438
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.839
contract with the Raptors this season in
twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four,

439
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.640
and you know, that's when this
became a thing. But so from that,

440
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.160
like those saying that he bet all
that money when he was at in

441
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:12.480
you know, when he was in
Colorado, which again where his brother plays.

442
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.480
That's why he was there, And
he's probably using his brother's money too,

443
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.240
to be honest with you, that's
that's suspicious. That that's weird.

444
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.119
That's that's that's you know, that's
probably not normal to see guys that are

445
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.559
NBA players or even G League players
publicly out at, you know, betting

446
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:26.720
that much money. But then again, I don't think he's doing anything he's

447
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:33.160
not allowed to do. But the
player prop thing is is clearly something shady.

448
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:38.359
Don't see a scenario where there's any
any explanation there that is not him

449
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.480
being aware and letting people know what
the player prop or you know, somebody

450
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close to him telling him what the
player prop is and him being able to

451
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.799
like easily manipulate it by saying,
Okay, all I gotta do is not

452
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:49.920
take a three. I'm gonna you
know, say that I'm hurt and not

453
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.839
go back in the game. And
this is something else that came up at

454
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.920
the time that he was with the
I don't know who it is, but

455
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:06.240
he he changed his number with the
Raptors earlier this season after a trade,

456
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:15.279
and it was because somebody who the
Raptors traded for wanted his number and he

457
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.720
gave it up for like twenty grand. And initially people were saying, well,

458
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.759
this guy's always been about trying to
make some quick money because he doesn't

459
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.640
make a lot of money in the
NBA. Well now it's like that guy's

460
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:29.559
probably just looking for another way to
bring in money so we can go gamble.

461
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.960
So yeah, we'll see more and
more crazy stories like this over the

462
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:41.640
years, I'm sure, and that's
unfortunate, but that's the risk assessment.

463
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.400
Whenever everybody decided that we should be
legally allowed to bet on sports, which

464
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.519
we should be. They were well
aware of these kind of things happening.

465
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.640
It's all about finding out about it, you know, making examples of people

466
00:31:52.799 --> 00:32:00.799
like this young man who you know
has probably ruined his career. So I

467
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.200
just I don't know, I shouldn't
say I'm fascinated by it, but I

468
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:08.880
am. I mean, the way
in which you could manipulate something like this,

469
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.720
and you know, just to me, it's always just been such a

470
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.759
like the people go to federal prison
for this kind of stuff, shaving points,

471
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that kind of thing. So I
guess the naive part of me has

472
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.640
always been like, well, nobody
would ever risk it, because again,

473
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:27.680
you use so much to lose if
you're playing professional sports. But sometimes the

474
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.720
temptation, and I guess the addiction, it'll take over, all right.

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Quick break, we'll come back on
the other side and wrap up the four

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o'clock hour. It is coffee and
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That's right, coffee and company rolling along

496
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here on a Tuesday afternoon. Appreciate
you hanging out with us. I've been

497
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:59.480
a busy, busy show so far, and I feel like the one thing

498
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.440
I've not gotten into as much as
I probably should have as the football side

499
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.400
of things. But we can do
that in the five o'clock hour, and

500
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.400
it's not as if we've left off
like a you know, very important thing

501
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.119
to discuss, because we know Louisville
was gonna lose some players in the portal,

502
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:17.000
and earlier today there were some reports
that they were losing you know guys

503
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.480
that they're not losing. In fact, let me read this really quickly,

504
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:25.400
because I mentioned Brandon Marcelo as someone
who you know that is a respected reporter

505
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.000
in the college sports world, works
for twenty four seven Sports. He's not

506
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.400
as big of a name as you
know some others, but you know he's

507
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.880
he's a very credible guy when it
comes to this kind of stuff. And

508
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:38.880
he's the one who tweeted out a
list of I think five names, and

509
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:46.880
maybe one of the five is legitimately
transferring. But here's his tweet that he

510
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:52.400
sent out after the fact. I'm
rescinding my initial report on several Louisville offensive

511
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.920
linemen expected enter the portal for full
transparency are received conflicting info after the initial

512
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:01.519
report five OL one d L and
there was also confusion from a source about

513
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:06.639
the initials and a name. After
speaking further with one of the sources,

514
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.679
it became clear that the erroneous information
was provided and a portion of the names

515
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.039
was in portion of the names was
incorrect. I've also apologized to Louisville head

516
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.559
coach Jeff Brahm this morning on the
phone. There are zero excuse for me

517
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.880
to be duped on one or two
names. I take credibility at heart.

518
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.760
Wrong is wrong. You deserve an
explanation rather than a deleted tweet. Good

519
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:32.519
on him. You don't see that
very often from guys in that industry because

520
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.800
I think at times, you know, they can they can feel as if

521
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.239
they stand by where they got it
and they believe it, but they understand

522
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.599
coaches and other people are going to
try to, you know, play it

523
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:49.400
down and you know, I guess
minimize the negative impact something could cause when

524
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.639
it comes to reporting news and information
on your program. But that's him basically

525
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:59.760
saying I got duped, I was
wrong. So it makes people wonder whose

526
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.480
shit hearing him, because this is
not somebody that Again the reason I mentioned

527
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:07.559
sort of his his background and his
you know, him being a credible and

528
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:13.960
respected writer and reporter is because it
makes people think that he's he's got a

529
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.440
source that has been good to him
that is now sharing either made up stuff

530
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.679
or maybe they're getting things that are
incorrect. And I don't think it's you

531
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.800
know, this conspiracy around college football
as a whole to start, you know,

532
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.400
acting as if Louisville's checks aren't clearing
when it comes to the nil,

533
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:31.159
because I just don't, you know, I know, Louisville is in great

534
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:35.000
shape with Jeff Brohm, and I'm
thrilled that he's the coach here. I

535
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.039
think they could have another typical,
you know, another potential ten win season

536
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.360
this year. But like I also
don't think that every college football program is

537
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.920
worried about Louisville being able to take
their players. Now. Louisville has done

538
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.480
well in the portal and I think
they will continue to do that. But

539
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:52.599
there's been some some some shady stuff
out there as far as guy's leaving and

540
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:53.800
why they're leaving. But again,
as I mentioned at the beginning of the

541
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:58.679
show, you have to also consider
that if somebody is leaving because they're not

542
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.400
where they want to be on the
depth chart, they're not going to come

543
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.880
out and say that. I mean, maybe they will, but maybe they'll

544
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.559
be honest, but they're going to
blame it on something else. And I

545
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:15.159
don't know if one of those guys
that is leaving has stated that, you

546
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.960
know, money was a factor,
but I guess it could be a factor,

547
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.280
but it's maybe because they want more
money. But whoever's in charge of

548
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.119
deciding who gets what amount of money
is not willing to give more money because

549
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.039
they don't think that player's worth it, right, it's not in the budget.

550
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.239
They got to go get more players
and use that money. So the

551
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:37.000
level of like true transparency is just
going to be non existent in this world

552
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:43.280
of free agency in recruiting and the
transfer Portal and il all that stuff.

553
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.760
And again I kind of love it, but it's also impossible to really know

554
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:52.039
what is truly happening. But again, that report earlier today was just wrong,

555
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.840
and good on him for completely you
know, getting rid of that all

556
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right. Edl And and Eedland.
You've heard of them, you know who

557
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they are. I mean, I'm
supposed to tell you and I will,

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but I know you know because they've
been doing this a long long time.

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They're a full service residential real estate
brokerage right here in Louisville, Kentucky,

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and they've been doing this since nineteen
seventy six. So what they do is

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help you throughout every step of the
process when it comes to buying or selling

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a home. That's what they're supposed
to do, right, make this process

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less stressful, make it not as
much work for you. They're going to

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do it all because that's what they
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when it comes to this process of
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also help you save a lot of
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just one percent, that's right,
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And they do that also with it
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and websites like that for buying and
selling homes. So again, that's what

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they're able to do because they've been
successful for so long. So that's who

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you need to trust when it comes
to buying and selling a home. Eedland

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dot com is the website. Five
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the number if you want to give
them a call. All right, we'll

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take a quick break, come back
on the other side, finish strong.

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One more hour to go and a
lot more to get into. We'll keep

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it rolling along at his coffee and
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