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R two side at iHeartRadio Steve Show. Good afternoon, everybody, welcome to

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I on the Ball here on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera,

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He's Jagan Zalaz. We got Ryan
in with us today. It's Thursday.

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This isn't it? Yep? It
is? Yeah? Does today feel like

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a Friday tea? It's kind of. I feel like it's been such a

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long week that I feel like you
should already. Yeah. It's gone slow.

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We haven't got even started this show, but it should go fast because

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usually when we have good guests,
it goes fast. Yep. And today

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I hope that we have some great
guests. Right, So, what's going

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on? In addition to one hundred
and thousand degree weather, My air conditioner

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didn't work on the way in in
my car today. Oh, I got

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a lot of miles on my car. I need to figure it out.

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A new car in the making.
Yeah, okay, that's a reason buying

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new cars to get in your conditioner
that works yeah, yeah, especially in

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two sons. Yeah, okay,
welcome, welcome Big Twelve. We're kind

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of done with that, are we. Yeah, you know, a lot

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of over you know, overhanging conversation
listening to a podcast on the way in

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talking about would would Florida State and
Clemson really really think about going to the

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Big twelve? And it kind of
you know, my first thought was that

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I could see that, you know, because they're not well, the SEC

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doesn't want them, The Big Ten
doesn't want them. So if they don't

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want to be in the a SEC, where do you go? There's only

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one other league to go to.
But financially and all those other things,

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that doesn't make sense. But you
know what, where we are today doesn't

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make sense for where we really should
be. So uh, it wouldn't be

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a shocker, but it seems like
once you start breaking it down, it

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doesn't seem very likely. Yeah,
so we'll see some more transition possibly.

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I mean, it would be for
a fantastic conference. Yeah, but you

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know, Brett, you or Mark, you know, he said that thing

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again. He said we're open for
business, so you know what he's talking

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about, and what kind of business
they're still open for? What kind of

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business is still available. Yeah,
I think he came off very strong yesterday

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for people who didn't know who he
is or he hear from him. I

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think he says what he does or
does what he says. And because he's

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done everything he said he's gonna do, he has, you know. And

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I mean when when we were on
the outside the PAC twelve watching fall apart

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and break, Yormic was kind of
running the show and thinking, You're thinking,

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man, what an arrogant dude.
But now he's our arrogant dude.

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So uh, you know, well
it works. If it works at works,

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if he's doing things to make the
league stronger and Arizona's in that league,

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well then I don't know. I
guess I shouldn't have a problem with

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Sure. You know, you could
be a very Bonds fan for the Giants

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and he's your guy. Yeah,
as long as you're guy, is nothing

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somebody else cheering for him? Yeah, So, I you know, I

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don't know. I mean, he
seems seems fine, seems fine to me,

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trying to do some stuff and we'll
see, you know. I mean,

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I I kind of would like to
see things settle for a little while,

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right with the conferences and stuff.
Let's just yeah, let's just play

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this out for a little while.
Let the let the college football playoff play

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out for a little while. Let's
let this new Big twelve basketball league play

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out for a little while. You
got this for a year, We've got

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this for a year. Who knows
what that's not a while? How many

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months do you need? I need? I need like three or four years,

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three or four years. Just let's
play these leagues. Let's see how

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they flush out. By the time
you're sixty eight, things could be different

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or before that. Actually, yeah, you know, it's it's it's all

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you know what about now and let's
get this done now. And that's it.

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Everybody's in it for you know what
we can do now. So I'm

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I'm I'm hoping that we do.
We have the asue A d tomorrow,

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right, we can take them from
I'm hoping to get this right here soon

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in the next week or so.
Everybody had a chance with her at Vegas,

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and actually somebody asked me, how
can we didn't go to Vegas?

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Now we were reserved all the time
for big games in Vegas. Although we

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could have gone, we could have
gone. It might have been good to

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go and do some live shows from
there. But I don't know. I'm

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okay with that. We're here,
we did this from here. We got

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some good people there. But I
wanted to ask her a lot of different

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things. You know, they talked
about tickets. Everyone's enthusiastic about what's happening.

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She knew she's going to be enthusiastic. Uh, But there's so many

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pressing issues. You know. Obviously
Brennan was not her higher none of them,

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none of them. She was the
last one. Yeah, right,

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But I think that she's she's coming
in a good time. I'm talking athletically

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in terms of in terms of good
coaches with a good future. Then programs

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are in good shape. You know, they're they're winning games, they're in

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you know, postseason, that kind
of stuff. Financially not so much,

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not so much. Yeah, So
there are different compartments and how she's coming

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in athletically pretty good on the up
trend, uh, financially on the down

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trend or or I don't know.
Maybe they were right ridden the ship to

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a to a possible straight line.
For now, it's too soon. I

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don't think I told you agree with
that. There still has to be a

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lot of stuff going on internally,
a lot of probably you know, you

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just hear that there's a lot of
changes happening over there. You know.

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You know, some people say it's
not so great, and but it's not

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going to be great when you're trying
to fix the financial situation. They're sure

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in right, right, you know. You look at you you have a

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car. It's a nice car,
and you need a new car probably,

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yeah, And there's only one thing
you could put out to do, get

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a new Get a new car.
Get a new car, because the old

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car is served its purpose and then
you get to move on. It's got

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a lot of miles and that's what
she's in now. I mean, it

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served its purpose and now they have
to move on because they're in that situation,

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right, you know. And and
again you know, it changes hard

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usually, you know much so you
know on stuff like that, when it's

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a big change like that, I
know, you know, I came into

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you know, going to my history
I community TEP at the time that it

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was going through a lot of change
like that, and initially a lot of

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people didn't like the change that was
taking place. But ultimately we you know,

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we got you know, we got
that ship right, and and then

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and it's been good ever since.
And then more and then more change yeah,

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and then yeah yeah, and then
it continued to change. It continued

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to change until they changed me out. So you know, but it's it's,

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uh, you have to go through
these things, and and when when

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you have to fix something, you
sometimes the first thing you do you do

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some very drastic and dramatic things to
kind of not to get everybody's attention,

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but to let people know, look, it's it's it's different now, and

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it has to say it has to
be different because what we've been doing hasn't

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been working. So we'll see how
things go over there. But yeah,

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we need to get her in here
and and just talk a little bit about

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you know, maybe some plans,
some you know, some some theories or

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thoughts are moving forward, right because
she did not come into a good spot

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pinentially, but you know who I
mean who was in a good spot?

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Steve? You know, there's a
there's you know, you can probably count

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him on one or two hands,
the number of athletic programs that consider themselves

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in good shape. Right, and
then with all this stuff that's coming down

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the pike, particularly this whole issue
of paying athletes and twenty plus million dollars

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a year, you know, in
revenue sharing. That's that's hard, and

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it's gonna be hard on everybody.
And and I don't know how you how

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you look at it any other way, and it's gonna be a big challenge

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for everybody, right right, And
some people, well, the Joneses are

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getting better, and then the jones
who aren't. The Joneses are not.

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And and really what you need to
do is you need to keep your programs

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in good enough shape so that they
keep winning. So you keep selling tickets,

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generating revenue, selling gear, getting
on TV. Uh, you know,

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get get fans interested in your stuff
because that that comes with it.

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You know, winning It's not going
to solve everything, but it can solve

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some things, or it can get
you towards solutions if you're bringing in a

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lot of revenue for your for your
your sports, particularly football. We'll try.

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We'll probably have the same conversation with
a shoe tomorrow. Just the new

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life that they have in the New
Big twelve, the new ed the financial

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situation, right, because it's no
secret they're in trouble too. Yeah,

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no, everybody is. And I
think they're worse trouble than Arizona. And

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yea, here you got a guy
who's been in the department and so you

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know, you want to talk about
a challenge, he's got to do something

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other than what they've been doing.
But he's been in there already, right

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with a with a with athletic success
not that good right there historically. Yeah,

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I mean, you know, they've
got a couple of teams that you

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know, they won a national swimming
championship and stuff like that then immediately lost

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their coach. But you know it's
uh, yeah, it's gonna be.

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It's tougher if you're especially football and
basketball those teams that they just have to

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win to generate revenue for your program. Right, Okay, so let's say

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talk about real quick about today's guess. We have Joseph Blair former. You

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have a basketball player here coming in
in about fifteen minutes, uh ten minutes

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actually, and then that should be
fun because we've had him on about a

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month ago. He's coming back to
town to have a basketball camp. He

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was known for his camps, but
when he was coming in and out of

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Tucson every now and again. So
that'll be fun. Yeah, well he's

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always good too. He's he's big
body, history, a lot of experience,

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will you know, talk to him
about what's going on, what's going

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on around the NBA, you know, the the the the Olympic team is

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uh started playing exhibition games. I
didn't watch any of it, but I

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saw that they that they beat Canada. It was a good game. It

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was a fun game to watch,
you know. In Vegas, a lot

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of discussion of you know, with
the with the Kawhi Leonard going out,

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who they brought in, you know, and who they didn't who they didn't

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bring in, right, And that's
what the conversation was about who they brought

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in, but who they who didn't
who didn't get in, and that was

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Jaylen Brown. So uh, you
know, but you know, I'm gonna

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have fun watching that because one didn't
action's that forgot just didn't think about the

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fact that Steve Curtz coaching that team. So uh, you know, I

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was thinking as they were talking about
it today, I was thinking, man,

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he's got he's got his work cut
off from to be coaching you know,

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Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Uh, you know, all these guys

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that are on this team, all
these egos that are on this team,

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they're giving their time to do this. I'm sure the game pay something,

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but you know, they're giving their
time to do this where they otherwise might

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be just relaxing and getting ready for
the for next season. And now he's

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got to put them together and get
him to play some basketball. Plus USA

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is not used to losing the basketball, but they have, but they have

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yeah recently, Yeah, with with
the spread of basketball internationally, right,

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right, So, so yesterday I
was sold Canada is the second betting favorite

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to win the Gold and they paid
them last night. And their roster's pretty

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pretty good too. Uh So,
so we'll see. And it's the first

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came up with an exhibition, so
who knows. But there's a lot of

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great talent out there. And you're
right, Steve, Steve Curry has a

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lot of workout cut out for him. And you know what, I don't

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I don't think they care if they
play or don't play, or how much

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minutes they play. Well, but
see, that was the conversation because you

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know, like maybe a Kawhi Leonard
who's got you know, injured a lot

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and stuff like that, he's like, Okay, I'm here, I'll play

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if you need me, YadA,
YadA, YadA. But let's say you

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go get somebody who's maybe not been
there before and who thinks he's really good

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and it maybe is really good.
Well, he wants to play. Edwards

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from Minnesota was pretty fantastic yesterday.
He's he's going to be the new star.

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Yeah. Well, and Kahi is
not playing obviously. Uh, that's

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what I'm saying. He's out.
So you know they're not going over there

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to spend their summer to be sitting
at the end of the bench either.

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None of those guys are used to
being on the bench. Right. Well,

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I'm sure he's got a way of
doing things like this, so you

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know how to work it. And
then in the second hour we're going to

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have mister Rick McGee who will be
in. He's a local Refuh, he's

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gonna bring our guests on to another
another referee. There's and this is not

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a shock to you, Jay,
because you're a coach. There's a shortage

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of refs everywhere because they're get tired
of getting yelled at. Right. I

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know some of them don't get paid, some of them do, but very

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little you know, you you suck
ref get it fixed, four eyes.

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There's there's no glory in it.
I can tell you that, right,

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No, No, So we'll talk
about that, the need for more referees

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in everything and everything, because it's
it's not and it's not a safe sport

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either. I mean it's not.
It's not. And you see, you

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know, you see stuff on social
media and stuff about refs getting you know,

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getting beat up or getting you know, threatened, threton getting uh uh

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you know, I mean I I
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and uh, you know, we
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to and we had a meeting and
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know. One of our one of
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in the parking lot after city league
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you can take me off the schedule
after this week, right, yeah,

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you know for twenty bucks a game, you know, go ahead and

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take me off the schedule. And
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me. I was kind of having
fun, but not not very not not

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not that you know, I'm not
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be walking out of some gym in
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and we see it now more because
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media, you know. I just
probably a week ago, something came across

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my my thread and there was a
Little League game and a parents. All

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of a sudden, you see a
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into the picture and walks up to
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What are you doing to that important? What are you doing? Yeah?

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And this pretty sense the the guy's
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spent a night in jail or you
know, had some you know, it

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cost him a little bit of money
or something. But what are you doing?

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Yeah? Right, Okay, Uh, let's uh it's a three thirds

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player or the other side he is
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that. They got to run around
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going to zero for three. It's
Steve. I'm doing well the spaceball sea.

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Just let me alone, okay,
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is I on the Ball with Steve
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fifteen. Hey, welcome back to
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fourteen. Cookie, I'm Steve Rivera, He's Jacob saus Now I want to

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poa. We have one of my
favorite guys, Joe sol Blair from the

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UFA Best Buck Team in the mid
six mid nineties ninety six, he almost

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said mid sixties. I want to
say thinety six, Jam, how are

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you? If you would have said
sixties? I might have hung up the

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phone. I'm doing better now that
you're correct. I won't tell anybody how

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old you are, but you're you're
getting up there. You know what,

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though, every time I see you
on the video, you're in the best

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shape of your life. You know, God loves me. That's all I

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can say. And I take care. I try to take care of myself,

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you know. I'm you know,
I'm a big advocate for veganism as

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well. So you guys need to
get on that vegan tip if you want

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to look like this. No,
he's honestly, yeah, no, I

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hear you this forever too, like
at least twenty years, baby that been

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vegan. Yeah, it'll be ten
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you know, you know, honestly, I was vegetarian for a very long

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time. I was vegetarian for ten
years, TESCA team for three then I

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you know, slipped up for about
seven before I started to becoming before I

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became vegan. So now I'm here
to stay though. Yeah, six foot

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ten, in great shape, and
I'll mean, we're those suits, those

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dapper suits. JB. Now you're
back. You're going to be back in

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Tucson for a while. I am. I'm excited, man. You know,

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I don't get honestly, I don't
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Tucson anymore. So I'm coming back
in a couple of weeks. I'll be

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there. So watch out, Tucson. Here I come. I'm excited for

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it. Well tell us, tell
us you got your You do some camps,

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right, so tell us about all
that. But what's going on so

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many Tucson is no For twenty years
I did the Arizona Basketball Academy there in

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Tucson, just for all the kids. In a sudden Arizona's a free charge

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of basketball camp based on social skills
and leadership skills that we tried to implement

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through the camp process about six years
ago. Because I left Tucson and just

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couldn't because of my schedule with the
coaching, I wasn't able to continue the

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camp. But this year, I'm
bringing it back and I'm naming asked my

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mother for I don't know. My
mother passed away about four years ago from

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complications with lung cancer. So you
know, she got the name Mama Blair

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from working in the basketball camps.
I figured it's the best thing I could

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do is bring it back, and
now it's a Mama Blair basketball camp.

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So bringing it back the end of
this month for two days Friday Saturday July

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the twenty seventh, twenty sixth,
and twenty seventh. So I'm excited about

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it. And also this time I'm
bringing in some of my NBA coaching friends

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as well. They're flying into town
just for this support it. So it's

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going to be a good, good
opportunity, not just for these coaches to

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learn about a sudden Arizona, but
a lot of these kids to work with,

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work hands on with some NBA coaches
or high level coaches. Are you

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are you in DC still or that
area? I'm right now. I'm in

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Houston. I'm going through the hurricane
right now. Honestly, I just we

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just had a big we just had
a big storm come through again. My

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power went out. So I'm sitting
at Whole Foods right now on the phone

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because I know that they have a
generator here. Wow, So your Houston's

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tough. I know DC's going through. It's a heat wave. So you're

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bringing back your guys to one hundred
and ten degrees. I hope they like

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it. It's a dry eat.
They'll be fine, you know. Both

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all everybody just signed up as soon
as I told them it was from my

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mom, they said, sign me
up right away. I'm on board.

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They know how much my mom meant
to me and also how important she was

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in the Tucson community and in just
my life to push me to where I

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am basketball wise. So they really
signed up and they're all on board as

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soon as they knew was about my
mom. So I'm happy to say that,

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and just I honestly I honored that
they even would take the time out

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of the schedules. You know,
the NBA schedule is pretty tough. You

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don't get a lot of time off. So the fact that we're coming to

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dedicate that time to the Tucson community, it means a lot. So I've

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known you for a long time.
You came here in ninety two, ninety

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three I think it was, And
you know how much I know your mom

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loved you. She was your pr
person back then. She was always and

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your biggest fan. Oh, without
a doubt, anyone that anyone that ran

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into my mom found out about me, exactly where I was, what I

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was doing, and what I had
for dinner. My mom will definitely always

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talked it up, not just me, but also my brother Jonathan and all

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her grand kids as well. And
you know, I can't tell you how

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much the Tucson community meant for her. I remember every year, right around

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the time in which she moved to
Tucson, the anniversary of it, she

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would call me and just say,
Joseph, thank you again forgeting me to

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come out to Tucson. I love
it here. I left the people,

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and she was the person that if
you ran into her, she never acted

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like she didn't know you. She
always acted like she was your best friend

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or pray over you, talk over
you, and then even to spend time

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to choose days just to drive around
saying hello to people to make sure they

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felt so close to her. So
there's the community is so close to and

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I'm so happy to bring this back
to the community. In fact, I'm

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also which I'll push you more information
that comes out. I'm working with the

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City of Tucson to redo the Palaverta
Park on the east side. We're going

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to redo that court and name it
after my mom as well. So working

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now to raise funds for that,
so forthcoming. If you're interested, reach

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out to Steve and see, reach
out to me, and then you give

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me the information and let's make this
happen. Okay, so they can send

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to our Facebook page. Absolutely,
Yeah, get some stuff to us and

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we'll get it up on our on
our social media. Joseph, I love

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hearing stuff like that because, you
know, as a native Tucson and you

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grew up here and been here my
entire life. You know, when I

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see somebody come from somewhere else and
care as much as you do, that's

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that says a lot. And I
think it says a lot about our community.

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What ELSEO says a lot about people
who come here and stay and fall

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in love with the place. So
I really appreciate you you doing that.

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Let me ask you, so when
you when you do this the camp,

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what do you want the kids participating
in that to walk away with? What

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do you want them to have when
they when they leave? And by that,

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I mean what's the experience you're trying
to give them. Well, you

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know, when I first started those
camps years ago, the big thing with

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it for me was a community involvement. What I wanted is kids from all

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different socioeconomic backgrounds, if in areas
of the city, to come together and

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create friendships, create community. That's
what it's about. Right. You know,

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anybody's ever seen me speak in front
of you the last thing I said

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is go and introduce to someone yourself, to someone you don't know, so

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we can create community in southern Arizona. And I still believe that to this

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day. So number one, first
and foremost, what I want them to

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walk away with is hopefully a new
friendship, seing that they didn't know and

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now they walk away from that camp
knowing, but also the just confidence in

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themselves. You know, our goal
is to kind of walk them and talk

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them through basketball skills but also life
skills, and encourage gym and push them

408
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and let them learn about what team
being a team means and that automatically transfers

409
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over to the end and the community
means. But also for those that are

410
00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:14.279
already skilled in basketball, we definitely
want to leave them with some kid bits

411
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.599
of information, knowledge and wisdom that
they can become better at their sport as

412
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.839
well. So just a number of
things. And honestly, the other great

413
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:23.519
thing is I'm partner with with Ray
Floyd is over the el Chorrow, they're

414
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bringing in lunch for the kids.
There's going to be all vegan lunch for

415
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.119
the kids too, so for them
to experience what a good vegan meal meal

416
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.400
is as well. So I'm excited
about so many different things, having the

417
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guys come in from out of town, and really just I think that a

418
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lot of times in Sudden Arizona,
the kids that I've recognized there have felt

419
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.559
like the Southern Arizona's kind of this
corner of the country that no one knows

420
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.920
about. But I want to introduce
them to people that know about Arizona or

421
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:53.359
there to support Arizona and help build
not only the community but also them as

422
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:57.759
individual. So I saw on the
press release you're hoping to get seventy.

423
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:02.559
Where are you at now and if
people want to have their kids play or

424
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:06.359
sign up, how do they do
that? Yeah, so we have a

425
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.559
few spots, just a couple left, but after that it would be more

426
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of a wait list. But what
I will do. I will also send

427
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:17.480
you the link you can put on
your Facebook page so that you can put

428
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:19.640
that up for anyone who's interested in
registering. And I'll probably put something out

429
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:25.039
on my Facebook or or my social
media links in the next day or so

430
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:29.319
as well. Okay, no,
super, we're talking Joseph Blair as a

431
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.200
basketball player. Final four guy,
right, Joseph, Yeah, you're paying

432
00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.960
attention much to the Olympics. You've
heard of the coach over there, and

433
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.200
what's what's going on with that?
Well, I mean, of course it's

434
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:41.319
a it's a big deal, and
I think that not only that, but

435
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.880
the competitive nature of the Olympics right
now is at all time high. I

436
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.799
think no one's ever thought, first
of all, let's talk about basketball wise,

437
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.960
because I'm talking about basketball right now. The competitive nature of what we're

438
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:56.160
expecting for the basketball games is going
to be so high. I think it's

439
00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.640
a must watch TV. There's so
many NBA players that European and just worldly

440
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.440
global influence on the NBA itself.
And now I was going to transfer over

441
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:08.200
to Canada's USA team play together,
I hope. So I love Steve and

442
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.759
he's got a great opportunity to coach
these guys, so I'm cheering for them.

443
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.640
But I will say there's other teams. You know, we saw Canada

444
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:21.119
the game last night and they didn't
beat them by thirty points. So it's

445
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:22.960
continue to get better. You look
at the Bahamas has a good team now,

446
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.200
Puerto Rico qualified, which no one
expected. So there's just a lot

447
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.880
of really good teams. You know, the Serbian teams always going to be

448
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.240
good as well, So it's going
to be very interesting to watch these games.

449
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.720
And then as a whole, I
think that sports has had such a

450
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.160
global impact now, I mean that
it wasn't in the past. That I

451
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.400
think everything's going to be so much
more competitive than what we've ever experienced up

452
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.599
until this point. So it's going
to be exciting time to watch the Olympics.

453
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:51.960
So I said this, I think
maybe last last week to the listeners.

454
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.039
Back in nineteen ninety one ninety two. I think it was when I

455
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.880
first started coming the basketball team with
Luton and all these guys. They did

456
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:02.119
a camp him and Huggins, some
of the Nike guys, and we talked

457
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:06.640
about just the influx of international players
only because they were going to Europe and

458
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:08.880
coaching at Perniki camps, right,
And he said, I asked them,

459
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.200
well, when do you think it's
going to eventually come where they're going to

460
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.680
be just as good? He says, it's going to happen soon enough.

461
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.359
And it's happened soon enough. Oh
yeah, for sure. I think that

462
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:21.960
one of the big things that you
have to recognize is, you know,

463
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.680
there's a big difference on what it
means to be growing up in a basketball

464
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.799
world in Europe or outside of America, I should say in in America.

465
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:33.319
Number one, you know, most
of these teams there's not high school basketball

466
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.920
teams. There's not AAU teams anywhere, but in America. Outside of America,

467
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:41.599
it is a professional team that takes
these kids science into multi year contracts

468
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.319
when they're young, even if they're
not getting paid, and they grew up

469
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.759
in the system of that basketball team. So they're so fundamentally sound in everything

470
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.759
they do. Where conversely, you
look at us, I think years ago

471
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.359
we were ahead because we played so
much pickup basketball. We kind of learned

472
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.720
to move and groove without the basketball
and really put us ahead skill wise.

473
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.160
Well, now the skill of their
fundamental work is really catching up with our

474
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.559
skill as far as our athleticism,
and now it's become more of a skill

475
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.400
based game. You have the three
point shooting big men that are shooting more

476
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.119
where in America we're all like,
okay, let me dunk on somebody,

477
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.640
let me do this, let me
make that big move that leads to this,

478
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.799
And now their fundamental skills have caught
up with us as well. And

479
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:25.480
then also I have to say I
think that they they're beginning to value the

480
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.240
game a little bit more than we
have because of AU basketball. It's just

481
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.400
say you have a tournament you're going
to and you're going to play five games,

482
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.039
regardless. They don't get that.
They go to the tournament, they

483
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:40.720
lose, they go home, So
they really prize and they value each game

484
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.920
for what it is. It's not
another game coming that weekend. If you're

485
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.440
going to a tournament, you're playing
that tournament. You're playing in leagues where

486
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.720
each game matters, so you really
play with that pressure constantly throughout your youth.

487
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.920
And that includes there under sixteen teams
under fifteen, hunder eighteen, whatever

488
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.759
it is, they're in the league
itself, so every game really counts compared

489
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:02.720
to a lot of our kids.
What's happening now is and nothing against it

490
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.519
because I do think has provided a
lot of opportunities and it's also a good

491
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.759
strategy for avoidance of keeping kids out
the streets and keep him out of trouble.

492
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:14.960
But this complete influx of these games
that really quote unquote don't matter or

493
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.559
are becoming problematic and helping other countries
catch up with us basketball wise, skill

494
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.359
wise, well you you wouldness this
too because you your career was mostly in

495
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.440
Europe. Yep, yep, for
sure. And you know, and that's

496
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.720
when I noticed it right away,
because even on my team, you know,

497
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.240
we have young guys that they might
not played, but they got to

498
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.359
practice with us. They really got
to practice at a very high level and

499
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.400
understanding what it meant to be a
professional. So as they come into the

500
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.119
NBA, these guys know what it
means pretty professional. I mean, you

501
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.039
look at a Lucradancic. I mean, obviously he's an amazing representation of European

502
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.599
basketball, but he's been playing at
a very high level since he was a

503
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:53.759
very young child. Does this doesn't
happen in the United States? So I

504
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.640
think it's going to continue to be
that way. They're going to find these

505
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.640
diamonds in the rafts and they're going
to have the experience that we don't.

506
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.960
We can't provide our youth here in
America as well. So it makes them

507
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.039
not only more fundamentally sound, but
also just more experience in general. Let

508
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.119
me ask you something because this is
this has been a big I guess the

509
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:12.920
topic of conversation is, you know, you're being a big guy played in

510
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.599
the middle back to the basket kind
of guy, and we talk about how

511
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:22.240
that guy's sort of disappearing from the
NBA, you know, and you see

512
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.119
a guy like Zach Edy, who
was so dominant in college basketball. You

513
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:27.720
know, five maybe not five years
ago, maybe little longer, he would

514
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:32.279
have been the number one pick hands
down in the NBA draft, and there

515
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:33.680
was a question whether he would even
go in the first round this year.

516
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:40.039
Tell us a little bit about the
evolution of that position in the NBA and

517
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.640
what's happened to it and where do
you think it's headed. Well, you

518
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.640
know, the issue here is like
the speed of the game has changed.

519
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.480
You know, you look back in
the day to win, to see an

520
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.279
NBA game, you could easily see
a score of seventy five to eighty one

521
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:57.400
and you think, oh, that
was a good game. Now, if

522
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.920
you saw a score of seventy five
to eighty one, NBA be like,

523
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.160
what the hell happened that they only
scored eighty one points. Everyone expects one

524
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.880
hundred and twenty points, for sure, over one hundred points. If you

525
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:13.039
still score one hundred points, it's
something something's gone haywire. Where ten years

526
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.079
ago, fifteen years ago, it
wasn't like that everyone. You know,

527
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.039
if you got a hundred, it
was a big deal. You know,

528
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:21.000
if you think it back in high
school days and even before that, the

529
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.319
clocks didn't even go up to one
hundred points. Now every clock goes at

530
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.240
least hundred points because that's expected.
So with the speed of the game happening

531
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:32.759
like that, the evolution of that
or back to the basket big man has

532
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.119
kind of falling off. And honestly, you know, not to get into

533
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.039
analytics, but analytically speaking, a
post player is really is a bat percentage

534
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.359
shot unless you're dunk in the basketball
every time. So a guy like Shaquille

535
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.359
O'Neil that turns down the dunks on
everybody, heck, yeah, you're going

536
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.720
to give him the ball. The
guys are shooking, shooting hook shots from

537
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.880
the middle of the paint, fayaways, those type of things, unless they're

538
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:57.319
high, high percentage players. And
I'm not taking anything away from a guy

539
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.079
like Joel Embiid as a special player. You can do that. Kawhi Leonard

540
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.440
in the post is a special player. He can do that. But what's

541
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.160
happening is these guys from college they
have yet to prove that they can be

542
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.799
that high percentage back to the bashit
player. So you're not going to look

543
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.200
for them because you already have guys
that are on your team. They're scoring

544
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.079
twenty five to thirty a game,
and if you're posting up, you're getting

545
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.480
in their way, right if they
want to get to the rim and they

546
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.440
want to shoot threes. So those
are two big percentage shots you want to

547
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.279
do. Number One, you want
to get to the rim at the highest

548
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:28.680
percentage shot outside of a free throw, and hopefully you'll get found if you

549
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.960
don't make the rim attempt. Other
than that, you want to get to

550
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.240
the threes, corner threes and working
their way back out to long range threes

551
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.440
above the break threes. So if
you have a big guy that's constantly posting

552
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.759
up, you really just end up
being in the way. So a lot

553
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.599
of you you know, pick and
roll actions that are high, all time

554
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:45.960
high is going to continue to be
so. So if you're an athletic rim

555
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:49.720
rolling big, you're going to do
well. If you're a guy that can't

556
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.440
move very quick, you're not you
know, and this going kind of goes

557
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.680
to your example. He's not a
super super explosive player, but he does

558
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.599
have the size, So the one
thing he will always be good at is

559
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.359
they're going to use some defensively.
You look at a guy like Rudy Gobert,

560
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:07.320
He's utilized well because he's so well
at protecting the room so defensively,

561
00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:10.320
they'll always be around offensively, in
my opinion, is where it's going to

562
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.639
be a little bit different. One
quick last question, Jab, you're not

563
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:19.119
in the league now after some time
with the Wizards, you hope to get

564
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.360
back in it, and I know
you took you had a chance to be

565
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.559
a head coach for a few games. I think he was doing COVID or

566
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:29.679
maybe a little after COVID. How
was that. Yeah, as far as

567
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.239
my job opportunities right now, you
know, I just finished my contract with

568
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.920
Washington Wizards. I'm kind of just
waiting to see what door God's going to

569
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.760
open up for me. I'm not
really stressing it. I have faith that

570
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.880
everything's gonna work out the way it
should work out for me. That always

571
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.199
has You know, I didn't plan
on being where I'm at now or where

572
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.159
I was the last few years,
but God made a way for it.

573
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.480
So I'm super faithful and know that
it's going to happen and as far as

574
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.480
the the games I coached, it
was yeah, so was there any kind

575
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:58.360
of that COVID period? At three
games, three big games Philadelphia, Toronto,

576
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.559
and Brooklyn, and I one of
those three and the other two I

577
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:05.960
lost by combined five points, So
it was right there. On top of

578
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.440
things. We beat Philadelphia, which
was my first win as an NBA head

579
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:13.880
coach. An awesome experience and just
really caught me off guard. That day.

580
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.800
I found that our game was an
afternoon game at three o'clock. I

581
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.280
found a ten to fifteen in the
morning, ten thirty that I was going

582
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.320
to be the coach that day.
Wow, So running to the arena,

583
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.039
trying to get everything situated prep for
the game, put my plays together for

584
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.199
after timeouts, beginning of quarters,
those type of things. But it was

585
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.760
an unbelievable, great experience. And
I will say that being a head coach

586
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.360
in the G League, I won
the championship as the G League head coach,

587
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.280
it really cultivated me to be ready
for that opportunity when it came up.

588
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.039
So I'm super blessed for this experience
in the NBA and and the G

589
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.199
League and all the people along the
way, every player and staff, remember

590
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:51.119
I've ever worked with as part of
the success I found and the man that

591
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.559
I am today. Okay, well, get your PR people to send you

592
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.480
the stuff, you know, the
stuff that we need and we'll post it

593
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.559
for getting up there. You got
it, You got it. Thanks JB.

594
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:02.800
Man. That will see you soon. All right. Always a blessing

595
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:06.159
brother. Good talking to you.
I'm here, Jamie, appreciate you.

596
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.119
Joseph Bler, all right, take
care. We'll come back and the side

597
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.280
take a little bit more about some
of the stuff you talk. We're very

598
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.480
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down all the exes at OHS.
It's Steve Rivera and Jagen Salax. This

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is I on the Ball on Fox
Sports fourteen fifty. Hey, welcome back

626
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to Iron the Ball Hero Fox Sports
fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's

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Jagan Zalaz. He's got a guy
Ryan with us today. Fifteen minutes if

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you want to call five two zero
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629
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really appreciate it. Good to have
Jav back on the show. He's always

630
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good at these camps and people and
the kids love him and he does really

631
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.360
well with these Well. He's a
really thoughtful dude. Right, he's smart

632
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.320
as hell, well spoken, right, arn't hell well spoken? Heart's in

633
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.559
the right place. Yeah, just
wants to do this and give some kids

634
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.280
a great experience. I did a
story. I don't know if you're working

635
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.159
for a biz two soon at the
time. But I did a story on

636
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.719
him, I don't know, eight
ten years ago because Steve wanted it because

637
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.960
he was doing so much in the
community. And one of the things that

638
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.639
the storyline was how much he had
changed and being a college guy, right

639
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.639
uh he and how kind of he
grew up and he grew up and he

640
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.639
got it and it was so many
so much to the community. Uh,

641
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.840
Loot. It was very proud of
him because of he give Loot a lot

642
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.760
of crap. He was he was, remember that he wasn't easy, right,

643
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:28.880
And and that's it. That's the
impression he got from you know,

644
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.119
watching him play, watching him on
the sideline. Yeah. Uh, just

645
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.280
an image that he had of a
guy that was, you know, he

646
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.480
had his own way of Lincoln right
right. Uh. And he did that

647
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.400
and now he's this guy he's,
you know, an entrepreneur, but a

648
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.679
guy who rallies the troops for for
locals, well you know, and and

649
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.559
he went, you know, he
went to Europe and played basketball, made

650
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:54.840
the most of it financially secure and
and then it gave him options. And

651
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:59.079
then when you're you know, you're
you're that kind of a thoughtful kind of

652
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.199
guy with you, who wants to
do things for other people. And you've

653
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.360
got the means to do that,
man, you can make a huge impact.

654
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:08.000
And that's and he's just trying to
do that, right. Well,

655
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.960
it's there's a lot to be said
for him. And to your point of

656
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.840
asking that question, it's like the
Cory Williams who does the same thing with

657
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.760
his summer league, uh, dedicated
to a court for somebody a while back

658
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.119
from the city. JB's gonna try
to do that into Pelaverti. Uh,

659
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.679
you know, the Joe Nells who
have stayed in town, those guys who

660
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.239
have stayed in town did Lamont's.
I love all those guys, you know,

661
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.159
because they came Some of them came
from far away places, you know.

662
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.000
You know, the Huntleys are from
Pennsylvania, right, Virginia, Virginia,

663
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.239
Virginia, and you know, and
and and they're here and they've made

664
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.880
it, they've made their lives here. And I love guys you know who

665
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.360
do that, who come to a
place that means so much to me,

666
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:52.159
right, and that they see what
we see and and and they stay here.

667
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:53.360
And I love the all those guys
that do that. You know,

668
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:59.719
Corey, Corey Williams Lamont love it. Uh. Uh, Joan Nell's.

669
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.480
Uh, there's a few. There's
a whole bunch of those guys you know,

670
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:07.280
in in in various who just come
here to place, you know,

671
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.760
play sports. And it stuck around
the Bobby Elliott's and that group too.

672
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.480
We had herm Harris, Herman Harris, that group of guys came in,

673
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:21.039
Harvey Thompsons and Bobby Thomson. Bobby
Ali came here in the mid seventies,

674
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:23.000
you know, and you know,
fifty years later, he's still here.

675
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:28.320
You know. To me, that's
just really cool as a again, as

676
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.079
a native and somebody who's you know, I'm proud of this place. You

677
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.119
know, it's been good to me
and I you know, I've tried to

678
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.840
do things for it and and uh, it's cool that these guys come here

679
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.119
and kind of see the same thing. And you know, I mean JB

680
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:43.039
doesn't have to come back here and
do this stuff, but you know,

681
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.599
the place was important to his mom
and that became the fact that became important

682
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.760
to his mom says a lot about
you know, what we have here.

683
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.280
So I think it's very cool and
I love you know, we can do

684
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.760
whatever we can to help. I
saw we got the link for that,

685
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.440
so we'll get that up. We'll
get to Okay, cool, cool,

686
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:04.519
we did already. Yeah, I
sign it on my watch. Okay I

687
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.119
didn't, so I didn't get it, So that's cool. Oh I think

688
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:08.559
you know, I think may It
may have sent it by to our Twitter

689
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.320
feed or something. Oh okay,
all right, anyways, so no,

690
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:14.719
that's very cool. So yeah,
well we'll be sure to get that stuff

691
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:15.800
up for everybody. You get two
weeks I think it's two weeks from today

692
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.320
and tomorrow, the twenty sixth and
twenty seventh. Yeah, yeah, all

693
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.639
right, Uh anything else with this, It was good. Good to talk

694
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.440
to him. In the next hour, we're gonna have uh, mister McGhee

695
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:36.679
to talk about talk about reference referee, yeah and all that, the need

696
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.000
for it. They're always looking for
people to come on the scene and do

697
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:42.639
a good job with that too.
Yep. Okay, yeah for sure.

698
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.800
So you know, I'm I'm flipping
through flipping through social media. It's my

699
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.039
Gundy thing is getting more and more
legs. Yeah, tell me, just

700
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.599
there's just more and more people going
on there and ripping him for what he

701
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.840
said. And what you know,
don't you think that? Okay, so

702
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.480
you know it's been done. The
guy got it, d u I it's

703
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.119
been said. He kind of excused
it away. Don't you think that the

704
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.800
school needs to step in and just
say something? If you were to say

705
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.360
something, right, if you're an
administrator and you've been in a PR department

706
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.559
for a long time, wouldn't you
say something? Wouldn't you do something?

707
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:19.000
Well, Steve that it just goes
to show that the power of a football

708
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.360
coach in a place like still Water, Oklahoma. Well, let me say,

709
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.719
and Tucson Arizona, right right,
that's why. Yeah, I mean

710
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.519
we're in that way, you know, but last year as well, last

711
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.320
year was the same thing. If
you can run thrown in the past whatever.

712
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.360
We don't care if you had sex
with a sixteen year old, right,

713
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:42.599
you know, I mean it's just
I don't know, but I guess

714
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:45.440
we could sit here and talk to
a blue in the face about what he

715
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.880
did and what we think he did
wrong. You know what, he doesn't

716
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.280
really care. Well, here's the
thing about here's the thing that I think,

717
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:57.840
and I talk about this all the
time. What's college for? What's

718
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:01.000
college for? You mean? And
what we would call you to learn,

719
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:04.880
to learn, to learn a skill
and go get a job, to get

720
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.400
exactly uh, and to specifically to
learn and kind of grow up. Wouldn't

721
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:15.119
this be a great teaching moment,
wouldn't it be? Yeah, it's supposed

722
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:16.760
to be. He screwed up.
We kind of give you something. Take

723
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.719
a seat, Take a seat,
you know, a couple of games because

724
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.559
of what you did, You're gonna
lose something that you value. There you

725
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:28.840
go, right, I mean that
that that was how we got disciplined when

726
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.920
you were a kids, right.
Right. It's easy for two dudes and

727
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:35.239
son to talk about it, right, but it's universal apparently, what what's

728
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.840
the switch the beef? Now?
What are they saying just the same thing

729
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:42.400
that you can't You can't say it's
okay to drive drunk because I did it,

730
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.440
because we all do because we all
did it. It's okay, you

731
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.639
know, and and and and that's
the that's the main thing that people are

732
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.280
saying, What the hell are you
doing? You know, you're you're you're

733
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.079
giving this guy h a free pass
on something that people shouldn't be getting free

734
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.559
passes for. And a lot of
people don't get free passes for you know,

735
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:05.239
they lose people lose jobs for for
things like that. And this kid's

736
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.760
not even gonna miss a game.
Yeah, well, you know, and

737
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.800
then to say, well, he's
making a lot of money, so you

738
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.320
know, he's gonna it's gonna cost
him some stuff, so he'll take care

739
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.039
of it there too. You know, he'll have to pay for his lawyer

740
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.119
and YadA, YadA YadA. So
yeah, that's his punishment. You can't

741
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.719
well, and he even admitted and
he's okay with it because he has the

742
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:27.000
money to do it, right,
paid a lot of money. Yeah,

743
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.679
yeah, yeah, he'll he'll lose
some money, and but you know,

744
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:32.360
but he makes a lot of money, so not that big a deal.

745
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.960
It is a big deal. It
is a big deal, you know.

746
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.559
Uh, coming on the heels of
all these accidents we've seen, you know,

747
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.559
all the stuff that was going on
in the Georgia program of of you

748
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.800
know, of players and athletes who
again think that the law doesn't apply to

749
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.480
them. So I'm gonna go,
I'm gonna drive drunk and I'm gonna do

750
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:57.320
all these things and you can't stop
me. I still believe that the Oklahoma

751
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:02.159
state people should and will have something
to say about it, because he's what,

752
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:07.119
he's underage. School policy has to
say something. I remember a ton

753
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.239
of times back when I was doing
this as a young kid here at the

754
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:16.159
citizen tracking down student not student privacy
stuff, but uh uh breaking student code

755
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:21.639
of conduct because it all applied,
it all applied, and and and as

756
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:23.559
much as the coaches hated it to
talk about it, loot and and dick

757
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:28.000
and all that, you know,
Melvin was shooting up a fire shot at

758
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.400
you know, he gets suspended from
from their team to go to Hawaii.

759
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.639
I think it was you didn't get
a but uh, it was student conduct.

760
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.840
So if you screw up as a
student athlete, you're held accountable for

761
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.320
as a student athlete, not so
much as a football player, as a

762
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.599
student. So I don't know why
I didn't apply for that. I don't

763
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.079
either. I don't either. Well, I mean, if you got it,

764
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.960
if you'd gotten to Duan College,
would you would your university have done

765
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.119
anything to you? Probably? I
don't know. They got caught in un

766
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:00.719
campus police. I don't. Yeah, I don't know, you know,

767
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:06.360
yeah, I don't know. It's
just well, I know, let me

768
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.320
tell you who A good good guy
Hassan Adams did that he got caught up.

769
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.199
Uh. In his follow years,
Lute had to talk about it.

770
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.519
I think he was suspended a little
time or two. Uh. And at

771
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.679
the time he was a junior senior
and a big part of the team.

772
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.199
I don't you probably don't rematter that
you remember that. I remember because I'm

773
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.840
looking at you, like what well
and Khalid Reeves's situation so when he was

774
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.280
in trouble that became very public.
I don't know if anything happened suspended wise.

775
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.320
I think he was thrown out because
not nothing ever came in he came

776
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.599
with that. So you don't what
I'm saying. It's it's it's very it's

777
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:44.239
a fine line and a slippery slope, as you said, But but this

778
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.559
one, I mean, they've acknowledged
that he did it right and so but

779
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:51.159
they're still saying, well, yeah, yeah, that's so bad. Well,

780
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:52.920
the thing about it with you,
because you're in the pr of the

781
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:58.360
world you were before he he should
have known what to say before he actually

782
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.760
went yea. And that's a part
of what what people are saying as well,

783
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:05.960
too, Like you knew this was
coming. You specifically brought him to

784
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:07.920
answer the questions about this, So
you should have been ready to answer the

785
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:13.639
question about this. Instead you come
up with this off the cuff kind of

786
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:17.880
flipping the lackadaisical flipping, perfect flippant, you know, commentary about you know,

787
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.760
a player getting the d u I
and why you think he doesn't need

788
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:27.719
to be missing any games or be
you know, disciplined and beyond what what's

789
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.880
gonna happen with him? Uh,
you know, with the law. And

790
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.159
it's like, I guess that's what
we've gotten to, that's where we are.

791
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.760
So I don't know, I'm just
I brought it up just because I

792
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:39.239
you know, during the break,
I was looking at there's still he's still

793
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:46.840
getting ripped. Dan Walkin wrote a
column about him the podcast with Pat forty

794
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:52.480
and and Dan Wets and those guys
Ross Stellinger. They were ripping him.

795
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:57.519
They ripped him for a good ten
minutes about just you can't do that right

796
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.880
and and and again. But the
bottom line is he doesn't care what anybody

797
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.599
thinks because he if he did,
he wouldn't have said what he said right

798
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.760
right, and and he would have
changed it by now it's what two three

799
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:13.079
days removed. Yeah, at least
two days removed. Yeah, but you

800
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.440
know he's his star, he's his
star running back. They've got it.

801
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:20.199
They've got a chance to have a
really good team, and that apparently supersedes

802
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.480
everything else. Well, this is
my thing that I've said when Delora was

803
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:29.400
in whatever, in trouble, at
least publicly, what price victory? What

804
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.280
price victory? Yeah? Your your
dignity or how much do you say?

805
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.480
I would have been okay with it
if he'd gotten us to a rose.

806
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:42.960
I'm just kidding. There's your price. We found your price. That was

807
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:47.599
a joke, everybody. That was
a joke. Sorry, it's all in

808
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:52.000
the delivery. Well yeah, yeah, but you know it's there's this kind

809
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.079
of okay, you know whenever he's
young, well you know, I know,

810
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.480
and you know what, I'm sorry, he's twenty right in year old

811
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.280
guys. You know things. Right
at sixteen, I knew I shouldn't treat

812
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.800
drink and drive, right, you
know. My dad threatened me. He

813
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said, he gave me the keys
to the car and he said, I

814
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.039
catch you drinking and driving one time, I'm taking all the tires off.

815
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That's what he touch car. Who's
car? It was my car? He

816
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.039
gave me a car. He said, He said, if you if I

817
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.639
if if, if I catch you
drinking and driving, I'll just put the

818
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.840
car and blocks. And that's what's
gonna happen. And I believe that.

819
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.480
I really believe, you know,
I believe that he would do that.

820
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.880
He'd put the he'd put the car
and blocks not only to take the car

821
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:37.360
away from me, but so that
everybody could see. Yeah, everybody could

822
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.239
see that. You know, Oh, he must have got busted. It's

823
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:45.599
like just like the parent or the
husband or wife who make their significant other

824
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.519
ware billboard signed on the court,
I'm a thurd or whatever. You know,

825
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.480
I's gonna say something else, but
you know, yeah, I did

826
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:52.639
this. I did this, so
I have to wear this. Yeah.

827
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.639
The two harshest punishments I got in
I got in my high school years for

828
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:01.599
doing stuff was once he in my
junior and senior year. Once once each

829
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.599
school year for a month, I
got my car taken away from me.

830
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.440
You know, I'd rather my dad
beat the hell out of me, right,

831
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:12.840
I said, just beat me up. You hit me with whatever you

832
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:17.400
want, but don't take the car. And he knew which one was worse.

833
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.280
You do which one was worse both. Yeah, yeah, he took

834
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.360
this was I got cut. I
got caught ditch in school one day,

835
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:30.679
and you know, did you ever
do it again? Well that was my

836
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.719
senior year. Well that was my
senior year. But he just walked you

837
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:36.760
know, he comes home from my
mom had told you. My mom had

838
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.719
busted me, told me to go
wait in the room, get my bedroom.

839
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.800
And I'm in there thinking, just
beat me, just beat me,

840
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:45.239
just beat me. And then my
dad just walked in. He opened the

841
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.960
door, he put his hand out, and I knew what he wanted.

842
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.119
You wanted my keys, and I
handed him the keys and he goes a

843
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.400
month and he walked out. That
was it. And I'm like that was

844
00:51:54.440 --> 00:52:00.199
the worst possible scenar. And then
you learn the well, I yeah,

845
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.760
I was walking to school again,
and you don't get girls on the bus,

846
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:07.199
you don't, you don't. You
gotta go, we gotta go.

847
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.760
So we got breaking news, right, and then we're gonna have uh mister

848
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.159
McGee, yeah, Rick McGee,
uh uh and some and a and another,

849
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.440
and then I guess high school basket, high school football ref talk about

850
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:22.039
the need for refs and maybe some
of the things that they go through so stick around