WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:12.519 Welcome friends, its podcast podcasting John Jack again by they're talking Tony now Buck. 2 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:20.879 Welcome to Movie Film. This is episode two hundred and eighty six. 3 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:29.559 I am Zaki Stillgar Hassan here with Brian muadeb Hall. Hey, how's it 4 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:33.799 going? Zachi? What DEEB? Tell me what you would have me do? 5 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:45.479 I would have you continue whatever it is you're Dune. It's good Dune. 6 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:52.840 I debated you making a pun before, like hours ago? What deep? 7 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.479 I am slightly disappointed, but I will do as you ask. I 8 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:03.640 many apologies, Still, Gar Hasan, did you watch Dune Part two? 9 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:07.840 You know what I did, Zachie? You know what I did not see 10 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:12.560 on my twenty twenty four calendar. What's that Brian catching Dune Fever? Well, 11 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:17.359 it feels like the world has caught caught Dune fever, it, you 12 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:21.560 know, And I love that because it really, aside from how big it 13 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.719 is, it seems a little unlikely, doesn't it. I mean, just 14 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:30.079 for how dense and complex and yeah, you know it is. And it's 15 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:36.000 been really fun seeing the memes, you know, and everything all over Instagram, 16 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:41.840 and yeah, you realize there's there's like the good natured memes and the 17 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:47.840 the the mean spirited memes and like Madam Webb and Morbius got the mean spirited 18 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:52.359 memes, yeah yeah, and Dune gets the h see we're all part of 19 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:57.239 the club memes. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, and 20 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:01.719 even just again for a movie it's so I mean so weird. It's weird. 21 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:04.959 It's a weird movie. And it was just so cool being there in 22 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:09.199 a packed theater with just like an incredibly diverse audience and just like everybody into 23 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.520 it, like I don't know, and it's something that's almost three hours long. 24 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.719 Like it's it's kind of fun. It's surprising. It's surprising. I 25 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.479 think at the end of the day, that's what it is. It's like 26 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:22.240 we've come to expect the big movies that everyone is going to show up for 27 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:24.680 in the past ten years. It's like kind of superhero Temp Pulley stuff. 28 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:30.599 But this to me seems a little you know, not necessarily a sure thing, 29 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.560 and it's so cool to see something like this catch on. Yeah, 30 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:38.199 and to the point that you're just making I think definitely the fact that I 31 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:44.439 went to the big Imax near me, you know, opening night and it 32 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:51.639 was virtually full, but I went again last night and it was again virtually 33 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:54.800 full wow. And and this is the big remember the imax that you and 34 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:58.039 I we watched the Flash in. Remember when you came up here. Oh 35 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.919 yeah yeah, so pretty big size, you know, oh yeah yeah. 36 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:05.400 And and the fact that people were there and they were in it, they 37 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.360 were plugged in, they were laughing at the humorous moments, like it was 38 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:13.199 all it was all kind of working, which which I was. You know, 39 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.080 I guess this is how sort of like the the bar has been lowered. 40 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:20.879 We're just like, hey, people were enjoying a movie. I know, 41 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.120 I know, I know, And I mean going back to when we 42 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:30.400 were younger, you didn't necessarily know what was going to catch on culturally. 43 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:32.879 You know, it could be something that kind of came out of nowhere, 44 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:37.120 and it's like, hey, everybody loves Speed this year, you know what 45 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:39.280 I mean. It's just like some action thing that Fox is putting out, 46 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.479 and it's like, well, hey, now we're talking about Speed thirty years 47 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.960 later. You know. It's like you couldn't predict all the time what those 48 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:47.560 things would be. And it's kind of cool. Going back to what I 49 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.159 was saying, where it's a little surprising that this is caught on the way 50 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.879 that it has, and I love that. I love the unpredictability. Yeah. 51 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:58.120 Well, and and that's obviously that's a that's a discussion we'll come back 52 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:00.919 too, well and later in the episode as we go through our thoughts on 53 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:04.520 Dune Part two. But what else have you seen that's a little bit further 54 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:10.439 in the past. Yeah, well, yeah, going back to the eighties. 55 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.719 I mentioned I think in our last regular episode that I had watched the 56 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:21.000 documentary by Penelope Spherus called The Decline of Western Civilization and it's well, I 57 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:26.160 watched all three of them, and it's like a punk documentary, heavy Metal 58 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:30.199 and then kind of another punk one. And after I mentioned that, you 59 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:34.160 know, listener Charles Landy recommended on our Facebook page that I check out a 60 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.879 documentary called heavy Metal Parking Lot, like, oh, if you like that, 61 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:45.240 you're gonna love this. And so I tried to find it and I 62 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.759 queue it up and it's it says it's seventeen minutes long, and I was 63 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:50.839 like, oh, okay, so this is like a chunk, like a 64 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:54.319 long clip or something like. So I googled it, like, all right, 65 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:59.639 what's the real documentary? Seventeen minutes long, oh okay, And I 66 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.120 was like, oh okay. So I started up and basically, I if 67 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:09.120 I understand it correctly, it's a like a public access channel thing where these 68 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:14.600 guys went to document a crowd that was tailgating outside of a Judas Priest concert 69 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.279 in nineteen eighty six. And when you start it, you're like, oh, 70 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.480 so this is just kind of it, huh. And it's just this 71 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.800 camera going by and like, hey, you like Judas Priests and people like 72 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.560 yeah, you know, and just saying why. But as you go along, 73 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:33.319 you just meet this cast of characters and they become so oh like I 74 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:36.639 remember that group, but like as you go through, you you can identify 75 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:40.959 all the groups that you've just sort of encountered. And when it was over, 76 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.680 it was funny because it felt fast and I was like, oh okay, 77 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.279 yeah, no, that was that was entertaining. Interesting. It just 78 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.480 goes by so quickly. But then I just went down a rabbit hole on 79 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:55.360 the internet like heavy metal parking lot, what's that about? And so come 80 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:02.279 to find out, it has this huge cult following people artists like from I 81 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:06.839 don't know, like early two thousands of artists like Backstreet Boys, they've made 82 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:13.160 music videos that have directly parodied heavy metal parking lot, like making one to 83 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:17.439 one references to people who are featured in that parking lot. And I was 84 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:20.040 like, that is how did I miss this? Like this has like kind 85 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:23.600 of been there, you know, as this cult artifact. And I was 86 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:27.879 reading like Nirvana used to watch it on their tour bus, like it's it 87 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.759 was crazy. And then what was kind of interesting all these years later now 88 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:35.040 is that the filmmakers went and tracked down some of the people who were featured 89 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:39.120 in the documentary. And there's one guy who makes a huge impression because he's 90 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:46.240 wearing this like like tiger striped skin tight jumpsuit kind of thing, and he's 91 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.240 just like yelling like ye punk music, like make it, you know. 92 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.600 And so then eventually in the present, well quote unquote present, it was 93 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:55.959 probably fifteen years ago, they catch up with that guy and he's just this 94 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.560 mild mannered guy living in suburbia now who has no idea that this movie is 95 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.680 like a thing and that people have been watching him and quoting him and dressing 96 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:08.839 up as him for years. So I don't know, I just I am 97 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.120 so thankful that Charles recommended it to me because I feel like it it just 98 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.759 brought me into this funny, cult little universe that I didn't know about, 99 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.879 but like totally enjoyed getting lost in for like an hour and a half, 100 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:25.600 you know, going through it. So that's great heavy metal parking lot. 101 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:27.959 It's out there, and you know what, you've probably heard it referenced. 102 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.560 I'd be willing to bet you have seen a reference from it around read it. 103 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:31.759 Someone has like quoted it or put a little clip from it, and 104 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:36.199 you didn't realize it was from that. So anyway, I appreciate that recommendation. 105 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:43.040 And then I also this was a movie. Okay, a couple maybe 106 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.759 a year or two ago or something, I talked about a movie called Beyond 107 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:51.040 the Infinite two Minutes, which was this Japanese movie, very small, under 108 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:58.279 ninety minutes. I saw it on Amazon Prime, and it was basically about 109 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:03.759 a guy realizes that his laptop can see two minutes into the future, and 110 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.519 so he starts conversing with himself and then they it just starts escalating. Well, 111 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.560 if I can predict that, then we can figure out how to make 112 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:13.639 money, and then you know, but then he the money comes from like 113 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.800 bad people and then he can see two minutes in the future that something bad 114 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.120 is about to happen, but you don't know how it's going to happen yet. 115 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.319 And you watch the movie, you know, work its way to that 116 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:28.040 situation that's already been teased and is I still highly recommend that movie. It 117 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.840 is so inventive, so fun. Anyway, I saw that those filmmakers, 118 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.480 the director and the writer, had another movie that came out last year called 119 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.679 River, and I immediately went to Amazon and watched it. And it's also 120 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.399 under ninety minutes, and the premise sounds, you know, totally in their 121 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:54.960 wheelhouse, where basically the staff at this hotel in Japan is realizing that they're 122 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:01.600 living in a groundhog Day situation that only lasts two minutes keep looping two minutes. 123 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.200 But the thing is is it's not one person experiencing this. Everyone in 124 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.960 the hotel is experiencing this, and so they're like, well, what's didn't 125 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.360 I just have this conversation with you, like, yeah, didn't I And 126 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:16.200 then two minutes later, boom, they're back at their starting points. So 127 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.240 then to try to figure out what's going on, they have to race from 128 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:26.799 where they keep starting to meet one another and try to figure out why this 129 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:30.639 is happening. Did one of them accidentally cause it does one of them not 130 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:35.200 want it to end? Did you know? Like what? There's different characters 131 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:37.639 too that are experiencing different situations. You have an author who can't figure out 132 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:41.480 how to complete his novel. You have like a couple who's about to split 133 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:46.159 up and maybe one of them doesn't want to, And and this seeing how 134 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.480 this affects all of those little stories along the way too. It's just so 135 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:58.840 whimsical and adorable and inventive and fun. And again, I love these guys. 136 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.960 I'm gonna go, like try to figure out what else these these filmmakers 137 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.000 have made because I am like these guys. I'm a huge fan of what 138 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.720 they've done in these last two movies, So I just want to see more 139 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.480 of their work. That's great. Yeah, I just feel like, I 140 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:16.639 don't know how else you would hear about this. I heard about it on 141 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.639 another podcast, and I just want to spread the good word of just these 142 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.720 sort of whimsical, fun time travel little esque movies. The only thing I'll 143 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:30.559 say, I don't know where it's available, all the avenues it's available on 144 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:35.440 or all the streamers. But I watched it on Amazon Prime and the subtitles 145 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:41.360 felt like they were like one second off, and so I started being like, 146 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.120 wait, did he say that? Or did she say that? And 147 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:46.799 it's kind of important, you know, so you feel like you're watching the 148 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:52.919 action be a little bit ahead of your understanding of what they're saying, which 149 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.759 was becoming a little frustrating. And I even like reset my Apple TV and 150 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:00.440 everything, just hoping that it would kind of knock them into place and didn't. 151 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.480 So that was my experience with Amazon Prime. So if anyone wants to 152 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:09.240 check it out, I might see if it's available elsewhere. Swere okay, 153 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.000 but big recommend, big recommend, very cool this one. I do not 154 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.840 expect to talk about it very much, but I just want to throw it 155 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:22.159 on the record. Zachie. I finally watched Hudson Hawk. I did it, 156 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:28.480 Zakie. Someone say, well, mazel Tov, what brought you to 157 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.320 this momentous moment in your life? Well? Have you ever seen it? 158 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.679 Many many moons ago? Oh? You did see Okay? So I mean 159 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:45.519 this is like an notorious flop from the early nineties, Bruce Willis, and 160 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:50.600 it's from the director of Heathers. It's the screenwriters of Heathers and die Hard 161 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.039 and it's this Bruce Willis Cat Burglar comedy. And I know it involves like 162 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.799 musical numbers, and I'd always been kind of curious about it. And when 163 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.320 I had watched, I talked about an episode or two ago, watching Judge 164 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.240 Dread and just enjoying nineties movies. I just love their aesthetic. I love 165 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.320 the way that they're put together, the way that they look. And I 166 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.440 wanted to kind of go through ones that I had missed. Well. Had 167 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:16.639 to talk same same writer, Stephen Desusa. Yeah, and I and I 168 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.679 was like, well, maybe it was misunderstood in its time, you know, 169 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:22.360 like I just I just I don't know. I wanted to give it 170 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.360 a shot, and I have to say, unfortunately it is not good. 171 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.279 Yeah that's my that's my recollection as well. Yeah, yeah, and it's 172 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.679 it's I won't even it's not even worth spend that much time on. I 173 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.679 really just wanted to say that I've finally seen it. But it's just interesting. 174 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.480 It's like this duo Cat Burglars, Danny i Ello and Bruce Willis and 175 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.120 they sing to each other as they're supposedly supposed to be quietly cat burgling, 176 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:52.559 and you know, it involves like Da Vinci and his inventions and these wacky 177 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:58.360 villains, and it's it's definitely something to behold. I mean, if if 178 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.399 anyone's interested in, like I said, that at aesthetic, that whole nineties 179 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.440 thing and seeing like a lost sort of dud that they missed, I mean, 180 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:07.720 maybe there's something to see there. And it was fun to go watch 181 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.320 the Cisco Neibert review afterwards and just watch them be like, I don't know, 182 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:16.320 man, I don't know, you know, but it's it's sort of 183 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:24.200 there's kind of a Hubris involved in that movie one which right, like it's 184 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.440 Bruce will Is sort of drinking his own kool aid a little bit. And 185 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:35.240 yeah, well and because he was a singer also yeah right, I mean 186 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.360 he had like two albums before. Yeah, but this was this was a 187 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:45.039 moment where every every actor thought they could out crank out a single, right. 188 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.120 I mean, you know, Don Johnson has this has an album like 189 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.320 it doesn't mean much, you know, so anymore, you know, nobody's 190 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:58.120 gonna confuse Bruce Willis with Bruce Springsteen. You know. Yeah, Hubris is 191 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:05.679 definitely I mean just exactly. Yeah, but it's and it's just not it's 192 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:11.519 hard watching someone trying to act like a different persona than they can pull off, 193 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:15.360 you know, like he's trying to be this wise cracking, like not 194 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.840 kind of character, and it's just really weird. Like well, and you 195 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:26.879 know, Hudson Hawk cost sixty five million dollars. Yeah, and and just 196 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:31.519 to put this in perspective, this is one year after Die Hard cost thirty 197 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:39.080 five million. Yeah, so so what where did that extra thirty million go? 198 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:43.679 Right? Yeah, So I mean this is it's just pure excess, 199 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:50.000 and you're you're you're you're mortgaging this movie on the belief that that Bruce Willis 200 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:54.679 will put enough butts and seats uh to manage that. And one sees why 201 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:01.879 he uh you know, he was sort of you know, first on board 202 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.240 to get get a Diehard sequel going, you know, yeah yeah, and 203 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:09.320 he he I think co wrote it too, or he has a story credit 204 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.799 like this was his getting child with a friend of his. Yeah. Yeah. 205 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:20.159 So it's it's a fascinating artifact. And because because Bruce Bruce Willis right, 206 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.759 so he does he does die Hard. He does Die Hard too. 207 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:28.480 And then and then after die Hard too, it's sort of these these remarkable 208 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.480 misfires, right, you had like Bonfire of the Vanities, Hudson Hawk, 209 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.279 what was that one with Sartatisica striking distance, making distance? Yeah, right, 210 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:43.320 and so it was a minute before like pulp fiction whatever, but like 211 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.080 before he became bankable. It was like kind of like Die Hard three basically, 212 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.960 yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, anyway, Oh, you 213 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.960 know what was fascinating to me too was just reading how he references Nintendo a 214 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:02.279 lot in it, which feels just like this clunky running joke that just isn't 215 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.840 funny, it's weird. And I was reading about how they made a Nintendo 216 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.120 game about it, and there was going to be a Super Nintendo game but 217 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.559 they canceled it after it's yeah, and I'm just like weird. It's this 218 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:18.600 R rated like movie that's really difficult to describe, and it's just funny thinking 219 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.639 like the kids love it, you know, like for a video game. 220 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.759 Well, what's so funny is that when it came out, the pro the 221 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:32.799 poster was like catch the excitement, catch the adventure. Yeah, and then 222 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:34.919 you watch the movie and it's not particularly exciting. It's not particularly adventurous, 223 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:41.759 so on home video they changed it to catch the laughter, you know, 224 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:47.120 like, oh seriously, yeah, that's funny. Yeah. I have to 225 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.320 say there was one sequence though that I really loved where he's in the back 226 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:53.679 of an ambulance being held captive by these bad guys and he's on a gurney 227 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:59.840 and he gets out, but they're on the Brooklyn Bridge, so he's like 228 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.680 hanging onto the ambulance while he's rolling on a gurney with all these cars whizzing 229 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:08.000 past, and it looks great. I mean, it looks like dangerous, 230 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:11.640 like they really did it right, So that was kind of exciting. But 231 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:15.880 then he let's go and he's free wheeling through traffic and he approaches a toll 232 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:21.039 so then he's like oh and he like reaches into his pockets and grabs change 233 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:25.000 and throws it into like the change bind and then the poll like goes up 234 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:27.920 so he can go continue, you know, bounding ahead. And I was 235 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:30.839 like, okay, like that's where like kind of w I was like, 236 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.519 that's funny, like that it's like bugs Bunny or something. But then you 237 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:41.359 know, the rest of the movie just but then there's the rest. Yeah, 238 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:48.359 I mean it's it's one hundred minutes, and again, it's been close 239 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:52.599 to three decades since I've seen it, but my recollection is that it felt 240 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:57.279 a lot longer than one hundred minutes. Yeah, I think I stopped it 241 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.240 and then I watched the last twenty mins. It's the next day, and 242 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:06.079 I remember even thinking like, I don't have to do but I kind of 243 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.960 love that. You're like, no, okay, here we go. Well, 244 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:11.920 I mean, if I'm going to do this at all, if I'm 245 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.960 gonna be able to check this off some sort of list that literally no one 246 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:19.960 is checking on, it's not like Saint Peter's Gate is going to require this. 247 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:25.000 Before No, I was like, yeah, no, I was like, 248 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:30.000 I'm, by jove, I'm going to finish it. So I all 249 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.119 right, Well, mission accomplished. So I guess her applause Maybe I am. 250 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:38.640 I don't know. You know, there you go, oh, thank 251 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:44.400 you, thank you? A complete opposite. What were you say? Sorry? 252 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.720 I well, I was just gonna say. Stephen E. Desuza also 253 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.680 wrote and directed the movie Street Fighter, which celebrates its thirtieth anniversary this year. 254 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.519 So if you think we're going to commentary track through that, Brian, 255 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.359 uh, Well, You're probably right, which I've never seen. So this 256 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.759 is another nineties thing I get to check out for the first time and then 257 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.039 talk about with you, which I can't wait. I think that'll be. 258 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.640 That'll be a fun one. Yeah, but on the complete opposite end of 259 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:17.240 the spectrum in every way I watched. Finally, I watched another movie. 260 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:22.160 I watched this last night. It's called The Teacher's Lounge and this is a 261 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:27.119 German film that's currently nominated for Best Foreign Language Film at the Oscars. Have 262 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:32.519 you heard of this one? I have not. Yeah, I just heard 263 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:40.720 someone say that it was an unexpectedly tense drama that takes place in a school, 264 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:45.240 okay, and in like what that's like to have something sort of high 265 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.359 stakes but taking place in this unique ecosystem of like an elementary school, And 266 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.799 I was like, oh, what's that all about. So basically, the 267 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:59.960 story is there's a series of thefts at this elementary school and there's a teacher 268 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.759 who's new to the school who wants to get to the bottom of it. 269 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.519 But the way she goes about her investigation and the ways, you know, 270 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:12.359 she tries to sort of extend fairness to the students as she investigates in opposition 271 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:18.799 to like the more totalitarian methods that the other teachers are using. It just 272 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:23.799 creates a series of problems for her and then eventually for other people, and 273 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:30.480 it just kind of spirals and becomes this drama, this drama for everybody, 274 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:34.559 and it's really interesting. I'd heard someone call it uncut Gems in an elementary 275 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:38.920 school, and well, I was like, you know, I mean, 276 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:45.799 the movie's not that wild, but I was really tense watching this, and 277 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.559 I enjoyed it a lot. I thought it was really really good, and 278 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:55.599 I think it's so interesting is it's it's like a weird thriller in the like 279 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:00.640 civilization that exists within a school. So you know, like from the outside, 280 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.680 I kept thinking like, if, like anyone who's like on the outside 281 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.279 of this school, if you were to look at the situation, you'd be 282 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:08.359 like, well, just do this or just say that, or why don't 283 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:11.839 you just I mean, yeah, I mean, clearly kids lying or you 284 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.039 know, or something like that. But within the school, you know, 285 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:17.640 it has its own rules, and it has its own societies with the teachers 286 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:21.160 and the kids, and there's a code and for this teacher, you know, 287 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.920 there's also decency. You know that she thinks the other teachers aren't extending 288 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:30.480 everyone and so navigating all that while she's trying to get to the bottom of 289 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:37.160 all this. It becomes like sort of surprisingly tense and high stakes and I 290 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.119 don't know, I really enjoyed it. If that sounds interesting to you. 291 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:45.359 I would definitely recommend watching this. And I love the idea that it's nominated 292 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:47.920 for a Best Foreign Film too, because it'll give it a little bit of 293 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:52.200 a spotlight on it. You know, performances are great that like, the 294 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.519 direction is really subtle but effective. It's just one of those movies I love 295 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.400 discovering, you know, because it's just so from another country. It could 296 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.000 have easily slipped past me. But it's just like a really I mean, 297 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:08.480 it could have taken place anywhere, and it made me just think about how 298 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.599 crazy it must be to be in school right now, to be a student, 299 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:17.920 to be a teacher, and like just all the policy and rigormarole that 300 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:19.400 you have to go through just to try to solve a simple thing, and 301 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:26.160 how much drama that can generate. Yeah, really, really good. I 302 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.640 really recommend this one. The Teacher's Lounge will I will seek it out. 303 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.799 So what about you? What have you been checking out? You know, 304 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.000 well, this last week it's been I've just been so caught up with just 305 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:41.680 about everything else, and I've gotten two viewings of June in that there hasn't 306 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.400 been much time. You know, this is the challenge for me, Like, 307 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:48.160 I'm envious of you being in this position where you're just like, I'm 308 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:49.920 going to watch this thing and you just watch it because I'm you know, 309 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.559 I have this house full of kids, and so now what inevitably ends up 310 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:57.640 happening is I will start watching something and then one of the kids will sit 311 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:00.279 down and start watching with me, and they have to go do their own 312 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.240 thing because they're living their life, you know. But they'll be like, 313 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.000 oh, don't watch without me, and I'm like, okay, we'll turn 314 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.680 that off. And so I've gotten about ten minutes of that one under my 315 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:11.640 butt and then I put something else on and then one of the other kids 316 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.680 walks in and they got don't watch without me. So this is this is 317 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:19.720 my day, right And really I only have night time to watch stuff, 318 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:26.839 but I've decided that sleep is my preferred mode of just of just living. 319 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:32.759 Really. Yeah, so it's kind of although I will say, Brian kind 320 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:37.480 of a momentous event in the world of television. In the last week, 321 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:44.440 Sam Waterston departed Law and Order. Whoa has he been there since the beginning? 322 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:48.799 Not since the beginning? He joined in the fifth season at the start 323 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.640 of the fifth season, and what are we on now? This is like 324 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.680 the twenty third season, okay, And there was like that gap in the 325 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:00.319 middle, right, there's like a twelve year gap when the original lawn out 326 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.960 there. But all told, he did four hundred plus episodes of that show. 327 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:11.880 Wow. Can you imagine which man say what you will that that is 328 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.160 an achievement and that is a hell of a lot of job security. Yeah, 329 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.160 yeah, it would be nice. I mean, it's extraordinary because he 330 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:22.559 came on. You know, he was in his like, you know, 331 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.119 early fifties. He's kind of younger, dashing, he's got dark hair, 332 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:33.640 he's like the the rogue, you know, ada. And now he's eighty 333 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.160 plus he's the distinguished old man, you know. And I was like, 334 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.039 man, this is just like it's like we're saying goodbye to our heroes one 335 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:45.480 by one. Brian, and certainly for me, Jack McCoy was was that 336 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.920 for me as as surely as you know Han Solo in Indiana Jones. Jack 337 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:55.599 McCoy was a hero of man By Gum. Yeah, you know, just 338 00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:57.200 a part of your life, you know. I mean, to be on 339 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:03.599 a show that long, to be playing one character for that long straight, 340 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.119 such a difficult thing for him to say goodbye to. I would imagine I 341 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:10.160 would, Yeah, I would think, so, you know, but you 342 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.640 can't. You can't say it's not a help of legacy. I think in 343 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:18.559 terms of of like an uninterrupted run on a law and order show. I 344 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.680 think Murshca Hargete gets the crown because she's been on Special Victims Unit since Bill 345 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:30.640 Clinton was president. Holy cow, all right, think about that one. 346 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.920 It's a lot of messed up things she's been dealing with. I was about 347 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:38.359 to say, it's it's a lot of broom handles in rectums being being testified 348 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:44.720 to in court. Seems like it seems like whenever a channel surf past SVU, 349 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:52.119 somebody's in the witness stand talking about a broom handle and a rectum. 350 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.200 Oh man, I'll be icedy here. That's messed up. So you're telling 351 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:03.640 me, yeah, uh, but yeah, that he's he's going to be 352 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.880 replaced by Tony Goldwyn on that show. Oh interesting, he of U. 353 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:12.519 Well, I will always think of him as carl In in Ghost. I 354 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.960 was just gonna say, that's the first thing that comes to mind for me. 355 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.880 Yeah, but I think for for more recent people, he was the 356 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.519 president on Scandal, you know. Uh, yeah, I'm looking at it 357 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.400 now. Yeah, Scandal. Oh he's in Planes. How did I miss 358 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:26.880 Plane? I was so excited. I want to see Plane. I know 359 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:32.400 I need to watch that. Yeah. I would think being the the DA 360 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.440 on Lawn Order is actually a pretty cushy gig, right, because you're not 361 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.279 the ADA. You're not the one who has to do the test of you 362 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.480 know, get presenting the case and re the jury and and and you know, 363 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:49.240 cross examining whatever. You just you have like two scenes where you're like, 364 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.440 here's what I think you should do, and now settle it or whatever, 365 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.400 and then you know, at the end of the day, you walk 366 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.519 out, they hand you your bag with a dollar sign on it, and 367 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.599 man, I here off to the races. It's amazing. Good for him, 368 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.559 Good for him. I hope he's enjoying all that money on a beach. 369 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.880 I hope so too. But that's it for me, So why don't 370 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:25.079 we take short break. We'll come back. We got some listener letters and 371 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.079 we are back. And hey, Brian, here's a note that we got 372 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.400 from Mark le Chance, who you know. We've been getting a lot of 373 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:37.519 letters from folks who are sharing their memorable movie going experiences. I love it. 374 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.960 It's like getting to watch Wonder Year's episodes. Really, I want to 375 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:45.799 encourage anybody listening, please send them in. We love this stuff. Oh 376 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:51.160 yeah, so here's Mark, he says. The film is Batman eighty nine, 377 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:55.160 the release date of which June twenty third, nineteen eighty nine, coincided 378 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:59.160 with my fourteenth birthday. Unfortunately, at the time, I was in a 379 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.640 Boston hospit all being treated for complications of liver disease, which resulted in a 380 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.359 transplant that August. However, my mother was able to come down from Maine 381 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.000 for the weekend to visit me, and she took me out on a day 382 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.759 pass to see the movie. We saw a showing at a great old school 383 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.359 movie theater with a giant screen and fantastic surround sound. I of course thought 384 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.599 the movie was terrific and saw it a couple more times that summer and purchased 385 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.039 the VHS when it was released in November. Thanks for all the great content. 386 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.200 I look forward to each new episode and commentary. Well, thanks for 387 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.119 that, Mark, I you know, it's it's funny because I mean when 388 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:40.680 even just when he said the video cassette of it like that immediately conjures feelings 389 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:45.640 for me. I remember that video with the commercial in the in the beginning 390 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.400 you had the right yeah, yeah, like in my friend's basement, Like 391 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.039 I just have like a weird emotional sort of reaction. And it's just I 392 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:56.359 love that Mark has the same although it's very different, you know, his 393 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:02.839 experience, but it's just like these total you know, but the different things 394 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.000 that we feel and remember in response to them. I love hearing it well 395 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.880 and Batman eighty nine, you know, we've talked about it plenty of times. 396 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.079 I mean, that really is like a for people of a certain age, 397 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:22.799 that was the moment when you became part of film culture. Yeah, 398 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:27.400 sure, you know. And it's so interesting because because people slightly older than 399 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:32.519 us don't have the same experience with that movie is obviously people slightly younger than 400 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:37.200 us can't. So it's just this specific window of about five years. Yeah, 401 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.839 it's the first juggernaut I remember, yeah, you know, Like I 402 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.559 mean there were big movies and movies like Roger Rabbit and things I loved, 403 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.960 and I knew they were kind of popular, but Batman was a juggernaut and 404 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.240 that that's the first experience I had with that. Yeah. Like I remember 405 00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.599 a couple of months back, I talked to Mark Altman, who produced that 406 00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:00.440 documentary you know, Greatest Geek Here everineteen eighty two, the Movies in nineteen 407 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.599 eighty two, and I made that comment to him. I was like, 408 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.480 you know, for me, it's eighty nine, and he's like, oh, 409 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.319 yeah, I get it. Yeah, because Batman, like everybody knows, 410 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:15.119 everybody associates eighty nine with Batman, you know. Yeah, but for 411 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.920 him it's not going to be the same obviously, because for him it's it's 412 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.559 eighty two. Yeah. But I don't know, you know, because when 413 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:30.759 I talked to Jake Kasden about about Willow, about the Willow TV series, 414 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.720 right, kind of kind of the same. Sorry, not not Jake Keston, 415 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:40.480 Jonathan Casden, who's our age, and you know, he talked about 416 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:41.200 watching Willow and I was like, yeah, but you know, it's like 417 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:47.400 the year the year after is when sort of you kicked into gear with with 418 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:48.559 the film fan and he's like, yeah, yah, of course Batman you 419 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.160 know, is right right right, Yeah, there's just that shorten. Do 420 00:30:53.160 --> 00:31:00.519 you remember I sent you that picture. Somebody created a blanket that's the Batman 421 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:04.799 VHS case. Yeah, as if it was sort of like cut along the 422 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:08.079 spine and then opened up so it's like a beach towel that has like the 423 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.039 front cover, the spine in the middle, and the back cover as one 424 00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:18.279 image. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. And I was thinking, I 425 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.240 was like, man being wrapped up inside that blanket is just like the most 426 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:29.640 perfect metaphor for like what I wish my life was. Right, it's just 427 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.319 these memories I just want to be. I just want to be curled up 428 00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:34.279 inside of them. Just just can they just hug me for a little while? 429 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.960 Yeah, exactly right. Actually, you know, going on, I 430 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.200 hope we continue to get these these emails with these experiences, and I want 431 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.400 to add to this. I would be very curious to hear what were those 432 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:51.440 pivotal years for people from different from different age groups, you know, Like 433 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:52.839 to me, that's just so locked down, like eighty nine, Yeah, 434 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.440 of course, but like it could be like ninety seven for someone and I 435 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.960 wouldn't know why, but I would love to know for for people of that 436 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.680 vintage, why you know another year is so important or was an awakening for 437 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:10.480 them or or a movie specific movie going experience. Yeah, yeah, I 438 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.000 love keep them coming. Please send us your your eye was there opening night 439 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:21.000 for Freddy Got Fingered Letters? Well, this is this is a moment for 440 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.279 those those people because did you see that's on the Criterion Channel. Now. 441 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.519 I don't know what to make of that news, to be honest, I 442 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.240 don't think it doesn't have a release, Like there's no Blu ray or four 443 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:38.160 K whatever, but it is on Criterion Channel. If you're a subscriber, 444 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:45.519 Freddy Got Fingered is now on Criterion. Well, those of you've been waiting, 445 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.160 your ship has come in. So that was that was you know, 446 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.559 there was there was like this eight month period where Tom Green was was the 447 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:59.079 toast of the town. Oh yeah yeah, And that too is sort of 448 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.960 fascinating, right, like with the benefit of a quarter century almost of hindsight, 449 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.200 like, yeah, what what was happening there? You know, I 450 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:10.519 you gotta give him credit because he weirdly was ahead of his time in terms 451 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.720 of what I feel like, I'm seeing a little bit in TikTok culture where 452 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.920 it's like he would but like something you would see where like someone is just 453 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.319 you know, on a farm and leaning against a fence and going like, 454 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.519 my bum is on the fence, My bum is on the fence, and 455 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.279 you'd be like, what is that? I don't know, but I need 456 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.160 to share it with everybody, you know, like it's just But that's what 457 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:31.640 Tom Green was doing. That's literally what he did. And he had a 458 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:37.000 show on MTV just doing that that stuff. It's yeah, you're right. 459 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.720 He was the toast of the town for a minute there. And he was 460 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:42.440 in Charlie's Angels. Remember that because he was I think, well he was 461 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.960 married to Drew Barrymore remember, yeah, yeah, yeah, sounds strange, 462 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:51.839 strange time. All right, Hey, let's take another short break. We'll 463 00:33:51.880 --> 00:34:04.720 come back, and we got some trailers and headlines and we are back, 464 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.719 and hey, you know, Brian, one thing I've realized is that Kevin 465 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:17.559 Kostner in Western movies is kind of like my sweet spot totally. And I 466 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.800 had that realization after watching the trailer for his new epic the movie He had 467 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:28.039 to make so desperately that he quit his hit TV show in order to do 468 00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:32.679 it. Yeah, which says a lot. We were talking about people with 469 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.639 plum gigs. I mean, I don't know what he was making on Yellowstone, 470 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.159 but I'm sure it was great and it brought him back. I mean, 471 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:44.239 it is one of, if not the most popular show on you know, 472 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:49.800 cable television. He was a star all over again. And by the 473 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.800 way, you were wondering about his salary, he was making one point three 474 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.599 million an episode on Yellowstone, right, and so for him to be like, 475 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.320 no, I'd rather do this, you know, like I'll leave all 476 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.360 that. This is more important to me, right, We can look at 477 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:09.599 it and be like you fing goddamn idiot. Sure, yeah, which I 478 00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:14.440 do feel a little bit of that, because I do think like you should 479 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:19.719 at least wrap up whatever's going on on Yellowstone at least, Yeah, I 480 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.440 would. I mean, look, I don't know what the behind the scenes 481 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.880 stuff is to that, who knows, but like from the outside looking in, 482 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.679 yeah, dude, I mean, for out of respect for the show 483 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:30.960 that did this for you, out of the respect for the audience that loves 484 00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:36.239 you, like, just finish the story, right, because my concern is 485 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:40.159 that they're gonna do like a Jeff Garland in The Goldbergs to Kevin Costner's character, 486 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.880 which, for those of you listening, Yeah, so for those of 487 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.480 you listening, like what does that mean? So basically like The Goldbergs, 488 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.199 it just ended recently, but like the season before, it's last season. 489 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:57.079 Halfway through or like a third of the way through, they fired Jeff Garland, 490 00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.360 who played the dad. Right, he's the dad on the show. 491 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.119 It's kind of antant things, so you can't not acknowledge it, and so 492 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:07.000 they didn't want to like kill them off or whatever, although they did eventually, 493 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.800 but instead they kept him alive on the show by just randomly putting like 494 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.199 archival footage of him, like photo shopping it in or like doing like a 495 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.320 kind of a weird CGI type thing, right, Brian, you've seen it, 496 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.320 right, Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like when they didn't have 497 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:32.599 enough footage to finish the Radioactive Man movie, and so they just use clips 498 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.599 from other scenes where they're in a completely different setting, you know, and 499 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.119 it's like him clearly from a different scene, nodding in response to something that 500 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.519 has nothing to do emotionally or tonally with what they're actually trying to drop him 501 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:52.519 into. So it just feels really otherworldly and disconnected. Yeah, so kind 502 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.239 so it didn't work. Nobody liked it, and they, I mean, 503 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:01.440 obviously that show was on the downward trajectory anyway, But I have to imagine 504 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:07.119 there were better ways of handling Jeff Garland's absence than that. But regardless, 505 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:14.639 Kevin Costner is obviously the central character on Yellowstone, and by all accounts the 506 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:20.000 last batch of episodes, which they I don't think they've shot yet, he's 507 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:25.039 not involved at all. Oh is that true? That's my understanding. Oh 508 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.159 wow, because I yeah, they, I mean that was it. They're 509 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:30.639 like, okay, fine, like we'll wrap you up, We'll wrap your 510 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.760 character up. And then obviously there's hiccups with strikes and things like that, 511 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:40.280 but like, interesting, okay, So I mean it was just a matter 512 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.840 and of course this movie got in the way also, but it was like, 513 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.320 just let us wrap up our six episodes or whatever we have to do 514 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:52.719 to finish telling your story. And he just couldn't make it easy. Now 515 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:58.480 that all being said, the movie is called Horizon in American saga. It's 516 00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:05.800 a two part Western that's coming out this summer, like six weeks apart. 517 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:10.039 Yeah, part one and part two. Yeah, so end of June and 518 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:16.760 middle of August. And I gotta be honest, man, I watched this 519 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:22.880 trailer and I'm like, plug this into my veins. Yes, same, 520 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:30.840 absolutely right. So I'm like, okay, I think the way we ended 521 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.000 up here is less than ideal, but I can't let me put this way. 522 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:39.400 I want someone in my life who loves me as much as Kevin Costner 523 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:47.559 loves making epic westerns. That's funny, you know, I don't know. 524 00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.800 I'm excited for this. This is this is this is my kink. It's 525 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:58.960 like epic western starring Kevin Costner. Now, now, according to Costner, 526 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:06.639 it's his his plan is for this to be four parts. Okay, so 527 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:13.800 so presumably these first two are only half the story. And as I understand 528 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:19.199 it, this is like covers like a fifteen year span, right, like 529 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:23.000 of time, like pre imposed Civil war kind of a thing. Like it's 530 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.400 sprawling. I mean, I mean, look at the cast. Man. 531 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.400 Okay, so obviously got Costner, who was also directing, Cianna Miller, 532 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:34.800 Samuel Orthington, GUVANNARBC, Michael rookerd Luke Wilson, Jeff ay he Will, 533 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:39.320 Patton, Thomas, Ayden Church, I mean, Angus McFadden, Wow Man, 534 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:45.480 Kathleen Quinlan, I'm in, Baby, I'm in, I'm in. 535 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.840 I mean, we'll definitely be talking about this soon. I'm sure have you 536 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:55.000 ever seen Open Range? I don't believe I ever have. So that's that's 537 00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.800 the movie he directed from two thousand and three, starring stars him. But 538 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.559 Robert Dubal gets top doing It's that's like, oh and Diego Luna. It 539 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.039 was just like a kid, and that he's in it. Also, Uh, 540 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.679 it's it's a I don't know. It doesn't get talked about very much 541 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.760 because sort of, you know, because because Costner. His previous directing effort 542 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:22.239 before that was The Postman, which obviously was was not particularly well regarded. 543 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.519 But but Open Range is like, if you haven't seen it and you're in 544 00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:30.000 the mood for just like an old timey western flick in that vein, I 545 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.760 suspect you'll you'll enjoy it. Yeah. I just I just headed it to 546 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.679 the list. I mean it just feels so it feels like there was like 547 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:39.320 a little span. I think I was in college at that time, and 548 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:44.199 there's a few things I missed, like Postman I remember missing. Yeah. 549 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.280 So, even though I know it was regarded even on its release as a 550 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:51.719 bomb, it's still something that I'm sure I would like to at least check 551 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.760 out for myself, and I just I want to revisit it. I do 552 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:58.159 want to revisit it because because I definitely didn't hate it as much as everybody 553 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.679 else did. I definitely think it was way too long for the story it 554 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:07.360 was telling. It's a post apocalyptic Western, right, yes, that's right, 555 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.239 Okay, yeah, and then it's like, yeah, no, good 556 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.679 good. He's like a guy who who like finds a male sack in the 557 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.599 post apocalypse. He starts delivering the mail and people are like, look, 558 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:23.719 the mail is back, like civilization's coming back, and kind of the deal 559 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:30.199 trig Yeah right. Actually, you know, if you're looking for another good 560 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:36.760 Western, kind of a modern Western, not Kevin Costner, but Robert Duvall, 561 00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:42.119 it's called Broken Trail from two thousand and six, I want to say, 562 00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:46.079 and it's co stars Thomas Aden Church, directed by Walter Hill, and 563 00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:51.800 really really good. Okay, yeah, I think it aired originally as like 564 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:53.639 a mini series, but it's it's it's like one hundred and eighty minutes. 565 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.920 It's like a three hour thing. But it's really good. Oh okay, 566 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.239 they piece it together. I think at this point it's just like considered a 567 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:06.840 feature. Yeah, okay, cool. Speaking of Walter Hill, they're showing 568 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.960 The Warriors in a theater near me coming up, and I was just like, 569 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:13.880 I don't know, like I hadn't seen it after all these years, 570 00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.320 and I finally checked it out and immediately I was like, I love the 571 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.519 Warriors, Like you know, I'm all excited to go see it on the 572 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:22.719 screen and nice. Yeah, yeah, I need to. I need I 573 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.559 saw that in film school. Mm so so that one too. It's been 574 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.760 a while. I should revisit that. Fun But hey, we got some 575 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:36.800 headlines too, Brian, what do we got? Well, you know, 576 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.840 just to start things out, a little bit of sad news, Richard Lewis 577 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:45.400 passed away. Yeah, yeah, that was really sad. I don't know. 578 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:47.679 This one really bummed me out because I feel like I get to hang 579 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:52.360 out with them every year, every couple of years because of Curb your Enthusiasm. 580 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:58.719 Yep, yep. It's funny because I haven't watched a lot of curb. 581 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.039 It's one of those things when I'm flipping channels, I stop on it 582 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.239 and I enjoy it. I really need to do that. But yeah, 583 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.519 for me, I mean I remember him from like the nineties, like his 584 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.719 stand up and his Boku commercials. Boku was definitely where I saw him first. 585 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.519 Me too. I mean, I think for our age that makes the 586 00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:19.719 most sense, right, But yeah, I mean and then he because he 587 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.519 was on a He was on a sitcom with Jamie Lee Curtis. Do you 588 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:29.320 remember that? Yeah, I was on Fox. He had some Fox sitcom, 589 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:34.000 didn't he He did have a Fox He had a Fox sitcom with with 590 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:39.320 with what's his name? Don Rickles? Wow? Okay, but he was. 591 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.320 He had a show called Anything But Love which aired on ABC. That 592 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:49.639 was which is the most generic title, right, but that was opposite Jamie 593 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.760 Lee Curtis. That lasted for actually several years. It was like, how 594 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:59.440 many seasons was it? Wow? Four seasons? Wow, Jamie Lee Curtis 595 00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:07.079 network sitcomb. Yeah weird, that is kind of weird. But yeah, 596 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:12.119 obviously you know, he he was on a show with with with with with 597 00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:16.760 Don Rickles, Daddy Dearest. I think that was called Oh that title rings 598 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:21.320 a bell, right, Yeah, and of course, of course he was 599 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:28.159 Prince John in in uh men in tights, you know, but but definitely 600 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.880 stands such a such a presence in the nineties. I'm definitely associated with that 601 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:36.199 and and Curb Enthusiasm, which is now in his final season but it's been 602 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:40.360 on for almost twenty five years at this point. Yeah, and so you 603 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.360 watch that so you can you can see, you know, everybody getting older. 604 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.960 But I mean, obviously Larry David kind of looks the same, you 605 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:51.880 know, he kind of does, doesn't, right, But Richard Lewis you 606 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.079 definitely see that aging process now because he's he's appearing in this current final season 607 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:05.079 died at age seventy seve He had been suffering from Parkinson's but but my understanding 608 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:13.199 is he died from a heart attack. But you know, obviously that's that's 609 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.079 awful for us as fans. But I mean, you really you see the 610 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:20.519 tributes from from his friends, you know what Larry David had to say about 611 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:22.280 him, and you're like, man, I can't even imagine. You know, 612 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:27.320 it's just this is a lifetime they spent together, you know. Yeah, 613 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.800 real loss there. So he will definitely be missed. Here's some other 614 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.880 news. In our last regular show, we we we sort of took a 615 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.880 mallet to Madam Webb. But it's not like we were alone. I feel 616 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:45.239 like it was like, you know that scene an airplane with all them people 617 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:50.119 lined up to smack that person around. That's right, that's right. We 618 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.679 were. We were near the tail end. I think we were. You 619 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.960 know, they'd already had the boxer and the person with the monkey wrench. 620 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.840 You know we were behind that. Yeah. Uh, that movie has not 621 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:07.639 done well. Let's just say nope, nope, I expected as expected. 622 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:15.280 The box office take as of now is a globally ninety two million dollars, 623 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:20.760 which again against a one hundred million dollar budget, and this thing is not 624 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:25.800 going to enter the black anytime soon. Yeah. Now that all being said, 625 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:31.719 I kind of appreciate Dakota Johnson, the titular Madam Webb is kind of 626 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:37.920 like, yeah, it sucks. She's in a difficult position. She's been 627 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.079 in a difficult position for a while now, because I mean, ever since 628 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.800 the trailer, this movie has been a punchline. And then she had to 629 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:51.199 go endure a whole press tour where she knows everybody's just waiting to get their 630 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.800 little clip, you know, to go viral where they can kind of pick 631 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:58.480 on the movie to the star's face, you know. And so I think 632 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.920 we were talking about that, right, We were so feeling bad that she 633 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.559 had to go out there and like, yep, yep, I know nobody 634 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.960 likes this, but I'm gonna talk about it here, you know, for 635 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.639 an entire day with all of you. Yeah, it felt a little bit 636 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:15.519 like when Jerry Seinfeld in the in the Seinfeld episode where he has to wear 637 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:20.760 the puffy shirt and he goes on the Today Show and Bryant Gumbels just like, 638 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.760 I mean, what's with the shirt? You should do like a whole 639 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.039 pirate act, and he finally he's just like, look, I know, 640 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:28.920 I look ridiculous. And then I feel silly and I don't want to be 641 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:30.960 wearing it. I feel like that's where Dakota Johnson was by the end of 642 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.000 this. Yeah, I think so. And then I guess she did some 643 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.360 interview. I actually have the quote here, I'll say it, but yeah, 644 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:42.920 she said this is her. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised that this has 645 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:46.159 gone down the way it has. It's so hard to get movies made and 646 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:52.000 in these big movies that get made decisions are being made by committees, and 647 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.400 art does not do well when it's made by committee. Films are made by 648 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.039 a filmmaker and a team of artists around them. You cannot make art based 649 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:05.800 on numbers and algorithms. And then, which I agree with, you know, 650 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:10.280 and I I appreciate that she has that perspective, and she's being honest 651 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.920 about the perspective of probably what befelled this movie. But then she goes on 652 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.519 to talk about her personal experience a little bit here, and she was saying, 653 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.360 sometimes in the industry, you sign on to something and it's one thing, 654 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.000 and then as you're making it, it becomes a completely different thing, 655 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.000 and you're like, wait what, And she was saying, you know, 656 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:30.960 it's a real learning experience. Of course, it's not nice to be a 657 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.880 part of something that's ripped to shreds. But I can't say that I don't 658 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:43.599 understand so well a lot of interesting perspective, you know, from her specifically 659 00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.840 talking about like, yeah, good movies don't get made the way that this 660 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:51.159 movie was made, and it's not fun to be a part of that. 661 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:58.519 And so yeah, I mean, you know, in that vein right, 662 00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.079 you have Josh Brolin right now making the Dune rounds, and of course he's 663 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:06.519 he you know, he's he's had a few clunkers, most notably Jonah Hex, 664 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.960 which kind of you know that that's like, that's like his Madam web 665 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:16.519 Sure, yeah, yeah, And you know he was talking about that with 666 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:21.679 the benefit of now whatever it is, fourteen years of hindsight, you know. 667 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:28.320 And he has this good quote where he's just like, this is this 668 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.800 is Jonah Hex, which which if you folks, if you haven't seen it, 669 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:31.840 I mean you at least know of it. It's sort of a legendary 670 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:37.760 flop his I think it was a piece of shit. But it's funny because 671 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.880 I've always spoken about it in a way that I think is disrespectful to the 672 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:45.480 director. I don't think it was the director's fault. I think he did 673 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:47.360 his best. I think it was a piece of shit film, but for 674 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:52.199 many different reasons. And I am included in that too, But you know, 675 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:58.559 we can't win them all. It happens, okay, Okay. He's 676 00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.920 kind of owning it because that the project was kind of like a you know, 677 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:04.440 it was like his baby, because he was the one who wanted it 678 00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.480 made he wanted to play that character, and I've said myself, I think 679 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.960 he's good. He is certainly not the problem with that movie. I've never 680 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:16.599 seen it. Yeah, you're not missing anything. Is it Madam Webb esque, 681 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:21.599 you know, in terms of in the sense that it looks like it 682 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.159 was chopped to pieces by the studio. Absolutely, Yeah, and maybe like 683 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:29.960 a misunderstanding of the character. Yeah. I was gonna say, just hacked 684 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.400 to death in an effort to fix it kind of a thing. Yeah, 685 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:42.039 I think you know. The sense is I mean the director who he's referring 686 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:44.360 to, Jimmy Hayward. I mean, he had just done animation before. 687 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.039 This was like his live action debut, and it may have been a little 688 00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:51.800 bit been in a little bit bit over his head. I think that it 689 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:57.039 was probably shot for an R and then it got cut down. I see, 690 00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.280 But I mean it's not I mean, look, this is this is 691 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.079 again, this is this is Brolin, he says. I brought in a 692 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.320 lot of really good people. I brought in John Malkovich, I brought in 693 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.400 Megan Fox. I brought in Michael Fassbender, who hadn't really hit yet. 694 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:10.760 He'd done some great work, but he hadn't really hit, And that's true. 695 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.920 The first time I ever saw him wasn't wasn't Jonah hexxs. I brought 696 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.199 in Michael Shannon, but he was cut out. He says, I don't 697 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:20.920 know what happened, but it happened. Just kreened a little bit, hit 698 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.159 a couple of cars. Everybody survived. But I don't think it was Jimmy 699 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:27.519 Hayward's fault. I think that's a misconception. He was a big Jonah Hex 700 00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.639 fan. We gave him a shot, So I guess I guess it helps 701 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:36.039 if you're Josh Bolan that you got fourteen years of subsequent success. Yeah, 702 00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:37.920 yeah, yeah, right, so you can compartmentalize it a little bit. 703 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.639 But but I feel like Dakota Johnson is kind of in that same same position 704 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.639 a little bit. You know. That said, you know, I was 705 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:51.719 thinking about this as far as what a what A just a just an utter 706 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.280 mess. That movie is, right, and it occurs to me, well, 707 00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.840 why wouldn't you just make Spider Woman and you've got Sidney Sweeney anyway, 708 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:06.199 and she seems to be somewhat popular, and just make Spider Woman starring Sidney 709 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.159 Sweeney, Like, what's the what's the what's the misconception there? You know 710 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:13.679 what I mean, why do you think people are interested in all this other 711 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.800 stuff? Right, Spider Woman is an actual character. That's a very good 712 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:23.840 question. I mean I wondered as you were saying it, I wondered if 713 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:29.599 Marvel was like, hey, maybe lay off this person. We have some 714 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.639 thoughts down the line with something we can do with her. On the other 715 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:37.559 hand, they did use her, Marvel. Yeah, yeah, I don't. 716 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:39.960 I mean, quote unquote they use her. I mean, she's you 717 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:45.719 get a glimpse of her for like six seconds, right, I don't know. 718 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.280 I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me. You know. 719 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:54.760 You know, maybe there Calculus was we are well, I think this was 720 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:59.119 it, right. They thought they were setting up several series at once. 721 00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.880 Maybe they thought they were sure. It's like a cheat code, right where 722 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.840 they can all of a sudden, like we make this one movie and then 723 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.000 all of a sudden, we can start three new franchises. You know. 724 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:17.320 Okay, well that was obviously a clear miscalculation. Yeap. Yeah. Now, 725 00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.840 now that being said, speaking of Sydney Sweeney, I'm not super familiar 726 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.840 with her other than this movie and a couple of other things I've seen just 727 00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:29.119 you know, on YouTube. But I did see the Saturday Night Live she 728 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.480 hosted a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, and I don't know, I'm 729 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:35.519 gonna say that maybe one of the worst episodes of that show I've ever seen. 730 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.280 I feel like they've been on like a pretty bad run lately. That's 731 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:45.239 true. It's kinda I don't know. I mean, yeah, the performers 732 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.880 have been it seems like a lot of the timing has been off in the 733 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:53.840 past couple of weeks. This one felt this one felt like January Jones level 734 00:53:54.000 --> 00:54:00.360 bad. Oh wow, that's really saying something there that's let's not saying we 735 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.159 can't take back you know. No, No, I I still have not 736 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.800 formed a proper opinion on her yet. I don't feel like I get her 737 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.880 yet. Like I don't watch Euphoria. I saw her in this HBO movie 738 00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:15.519 called Reality where she was actually really good. Well, I'm sure she's I'm 739 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:19.000 sure she's a fine actor. It Actually I'm not. I'm not blaming her 740 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.639 at all because I you know, like they've had it, Because you're right, 741 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:23.639 they've had a couple of recent the d quote, it's not like the 742 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:30.480 du Kota Johnson one was particularly good a couple of weeks ago. But but 743 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:35.800 it's definitely weird. It's been weird, and we're entering that phase. Maybe 744 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:37.679 it's just the phase of our lives, Brian, where we're like, wait, 745 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.000 who is this person again? When you look at the host? You 746 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:46.719 know, I'm sort of split on that because or undecided. I I feel 747 00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:50.880 like, I know he's very popular now, but I didn't really know Nate 748 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.079 BARGHETSI sure, that's a good point, you know, And he had like 749 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:59.280 a knockout episode and then even and by the way, on the strength of 750 00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:04.480 his SNL hosting, I got tickets to go see Nate Burghetzie next month. 751 00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.920 Wow, well there you go. Did the trick for me? Yeah, 752 00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.719 and I and what I was gonna say that? And I The Travis Kelce 753 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:14.719 one stands out also because I remember this is before I really knew who he 754 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.280 was, because I don't really follow football, and this is before the Taylor 755 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:21.440 Swift stuff. But like he hosted and I was like, oh, boy, 756 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:22.800 like you know, like a football player, it's gonna be like kind 757 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.679 of stiff sort of thing. And I remember his episode being really good. 758 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:34.079 So sometimes it just has to be this perfect marriage of all the above. 759 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:36.760 You need the writing to be good, you need the actor the right I 760 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:42.559 right writing for the performer. You need the performer then to have a good 761 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.159 night right where you could have someone that could knock it out of the park 762 00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:50.280 two hours earlier, you know, But then for some weird reason, there's 763 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.360 a little hiccup or something gets thrown off, or a card isn't read correctly, 764 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:58.000 or and it just throws off that one moment live when it happens, 765 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.639 and so right, But I just feel like writing in the past couple episodes, 766 00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:05.320 I feel like it stood out to me where it just feels really really 767 00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:13.079 undercooked where they have like a joke or an idea or a notion and they 768 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.800 don't know what to do with it beyond acknowledging the notion, and then they 769 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:23.480 just kind of end and you know, but then it's like you you get 770 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:28.800 that brilliant sketch with Bargetzi where you have the whole thing about the metric system 771 00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.760 and all that, and that felt like someone who took that thought and like 772 00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:37.639 use it to its fullest potential. But for some reason, the last two 773 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:44.480 or three episodes, to my mind, it just has felt like really undercooked 774 00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.880 sketches enough that I've noticed it and been like, oh man, it feels 775 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.880 like they're off their game a little bit. Well, well, I acknowledge 776 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:54.119 all of what you're saying, but you tell me if you feel this way, 777 00:56:54.159 --> 00:57:00.760 I think part of like when you know and like the whole you go 778 00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:07.679 in with a little bit of like extra rooting for them, for sure, 779 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.960 And definitely I'm finding, well, I don't know who this person is, 780 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.079 so if they're good, hey, great, you know what I mean? 781 00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:19.159 Like Bergetsy's a good example that other football player who did the Rudy sketch, 782 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.760 you know what I'm talking about, because this is like a couple of years 783 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.039 back. I can't remember the name. I can't remember. It was a 784 00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.199 sketch. It was Chris red As like the Rudy and the the other players 785 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:32.639 want to give him, like they want to give up their slots so he 786 00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:36.719 can play it, but he's terrible. It was a filmed piece, you 787 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:40.360 know, talk called Robbie. It's called Robbie. Okay, that's really funny, 788 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:45.039 but that was a really funny idea. And the I don't remember the 789 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:46.159 host, but he was a football player, but I didn't I didn't, 790 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.679 you know, I don't particularly follow football, but but it's I don't carry 791 00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:58.000 that extra identification in versus like if I'm watching you know, you know, 792 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.280 I don't know somebody I I already meyer or like you know, yeah, 793 00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:05.880 definitely. And I think if you also understand the writers there, if they 794 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:09.239 understand how to write to a person's strengths or the things that we want to 795 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:13.719 most enjoy from that person, that helps too, right, And I think 796 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:15.480 that goes along with what you're saying, where if I don't really know Jacob 797 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:20.239 ALORDI very well, I don't really know what I want to see from him. 798 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.039 You know, it seems like I've seen a lot written about how they 799 00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.599 basically just kept making sketch. Oh he's handsome. He's handsome, Yeah exactly. 800 00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.320 So it's like, all right, it's funny once maybe, but then 801 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.159 and then I remember that as long as we're doing sn'll talk. I remember 802 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:36.639 something. The one I remember most from that episode was where they did the 803 00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.000 bowling sketch where it's like, you know, you bowl and then after you 804 00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.559 throw the ball and the pins whatever you end up with, there's those animated 805 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.760 things that end up on the screen, right, where it's like an animated 806 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.519 bowling ball taking a shotgun and shooting the rest of the pins down, you 807 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.159 know, spare or something like that. But then they kept getting more and 808 00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:00.960 more dark and extreme, and I was like, yeah, no, I 809 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.840 saw that already, Like you people have been doing that joke for years, 810 00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.000 right right, And I felt a little like like, think you just stole 811 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:12.480 that and didn't do it as well. But yeah, I don't know, 812 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.079 just a little off their game. But you and I are like longtime SNL 813 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:19.760 people. I mean, I'm always gonna watch That's that's the thing. Yeah, 814 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.679 Monday Morning Quarterback, get a little bit. We're we're sort of we're 815 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.719 lifers at this point, right, Yeah. Yeah, Well, hey, 816 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:31.440 in terms of other stuff that's happening, this is this is a topic we 817 00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:35.400 talked about, I think a couple of weeks ago, with a glimmer of 818 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.280 hope in our eyes, but that hope has been extinguished. We're talking about 819 00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:45.840 Coyote versus Acme. This is the Warner Brothers live action animation hybrid about about 820 00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:52.480 Wiley coyotes suing the ACME Company for pain and suffering for all of their inventions 821 00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:57.079 that never worked, right, I mean and will forte Place's lawyer. Now, 822 00:59:57.159 --> 00:59:59.280 yeah, I think you're saying the same thing. You hear that premise, 823 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.039 You're like, dude, I showed me this movie. So the good 824 01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:07.840 news, Brian, is that the movie has been filmed and finished and it's 825 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:10.519 ready to go. That's the good news, fantastic. The bad news is 826 01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:15.719 it is gone. Sorry, what do you mean where to go? Did 827 01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:24.320 it fall down a cliff holding up? No? David Zasloff is the human 828 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:29.280 personification of the Acme Company. He is, of course, the head of 829 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:35.280 Warner Brothers Discovery and per you know, Imperial Fiat. He decided that no, 830 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:38.360 this film, which is completed, has been testing well and his by 831 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:43.519 all accounts very well regarded, will not see the light of day, because 832 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.679 why if they disappear it, Warner Brothers can get one of them their tax 833 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:52.239 breaks that they love so very darn much. You know who he is, 834 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:57.239 He's Judge Doom. He really is walking around with his barrel of dip and 835 01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:00.280 he just keeps putting things in there and melting them, and is the smoke 836 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:07.199 rises a smile crosses his face. I I find it difficult to quibble with 837 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:14.639 that characterization, because he took so much shit for having done this already with 838 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:19.719 the Batgirl movie like two years ago, and also this you know, Scooby 839 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:24.079 Doo Halloween Haunt or whatever that was, and there's various other things that have 840 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:29.000 just been memory hold. But I think everybody assumed that they were done with 841 01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:34.360 this, and the fact that they said they were going to do this with 842 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.440 the Coyote versus ACME and then they were like, but we'll get We'll let 843 01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:44.079 other studios bid on it, which I guess was just kind of for show 844 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.679 basically because they had no intention of actually letting that happen. You know what 845 01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:52.760 happened they did, and they got offers and I think they said we want 846 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:57.000 this amount and I don't know what it was. Say I'm making this number 847 01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.599 up, but say it was like we want ninety million whatever it actually costs 848 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.519 or something, and I think like Netflix or whoever, some streamer was like, 849 01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:09.239 we'll give you sixty five and they're like nah. So people did offer 850 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:14.440 substantial amounts of money to take it off their hands and they still said no. 851 01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:22.400 And you can sort of understand the twisted logic behind not selling it, 852 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:28.280 right, because the problem Warner Brothers had was, let's say they sold it 853 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:34.159 and it became a hit, they would still look like the assholes because they 854 01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:37.000 let it go, right, So I mean, you know what I mean, 855 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:43.280 it's it's baffling. And yet once the decision was made, there was 856 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:49.400 no unmaking the decision. Well, you know what. Also with Batgirl, 857 01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.039 which by the way, I mean Sony had the balls at least to put 858 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:59.519 on Madam web you know, but that felt like, okay, I'm coming 859 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.960 and Brian, I I will go so far as to say there is no 860 01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:07.280 possibility Batgirl is worse than Madam Webb. Dude. I actually I was like 861 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:14.320 how and after that Michael Keaton Batman in it. There's a whole movie with 862 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:19.000 more Michael Keaton Batman that I deleted that will that will never exist. It's 863 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:24.119 it's gonna sit in a drawer alongside that that that Jerry Lewis Holocaust clown movie 864 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:29.440 forever one I heard that might be screening. Oh okay, well there you 865 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.039 go. Well maybe maybe to that, I thought, well, it had 866 01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:35.480 to be after his his passing a certain amount of years, or oh I 867 01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:37.440 think I did hear that. I think I did hear that, yes, 868 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.960 but no exactly exactly And and that's the thing, you know who who knows 869 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.880 really where it resides. But apparently they delete it. I mean because if 870 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.760 they ever do show it, then they the text write off is like null 871 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:53.840 and void, right, thinks unbelievable but but so anyway, So with the 872 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:59.280 the when they did this to Batgirl, it almost felt like, Okay, 873 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:05.760 Warner Brothers having money issues, We've got to like rip the issue out of 874 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:12.079 the bag and throw it away and okay, now we're good. That hurt. 875 01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:15.840 It's painful, but we're doing better. Now we forge forward. Right 876 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:20.519 It felt like a potentially one time, messy, ugly fix. Yeah. 877 01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:27.599 Then to see moving forward that they are still willing to consider this or do 878 01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.559 this to another movie. I mean, how do you feel if you're over 879 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:34.320 there at Warner Brothers not making a Batman movie, you know what I mean, 880 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:39.880 Like you're making some sort of mid budget whatever. Do you have in 881 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:44.280 the back of your mind that there's always the possibility that they could just you 882 01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:48.599 know what deleted? You know is their m O now moving forward? That 883 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:55.840 is an option? Huh, Yeah, I don't know how. I mean, 884 01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:05.679 the Warner Brothers, you know, filmmaking environment is going to exist moving 885 01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:10.760 forward, knowing this guy David Zaslov is like a sort of Danically, he's 886 01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.559 hanging over everything, you know, h it's so cynical. That's what pisses 887 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.079 me off. Like, I mean, let's not kid ourselves. It's always 888 01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.800 about it's you know, they don't call it show art. I get it, 889 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:26.519 Yeah, no, I do too, But but the the idea And 890 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:32.199 you know, I'm looking at this quote from from Will Forte right he again, 891 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:38.119 he stars in the film, he's the attorney, and he talked about 892 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:42.840 it on Twitter, and he says to the cast and crew of Coyote Versus 893 01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:45.239 acme, I know that a lot of you haven't gotten a chance to see 894 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:47.559 our movie, and sadly, it's looking like you never will. When I 895 01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:50.719 first heard that our movie was getting deleted, I hadn't seen it yet, 896 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:54.920 so I was thinking what everyone else must have been thinking. This thing must 897 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:58.800 be a hunk of junk. But then I saw it and it's incredible, 898 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.239 funny throughout, visually stunning, sweet, sincere, and emotionally resonant in a 899 01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:08.199 very earned way. As the credits rolled, I just sat there thinking how 900 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.800 lucky I was to be a part of something so special that quickly turned to 901 01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.960 confusion and frustration. This was the movie they're not going to release. Look, 902 01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.159 when it comes to Hollywood business stuff, I don't know shit about shit. 903 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:23.800 Even when a movie tests very well like ours, there's no guarantee that 904 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:25.800 it's going to be a hit. And at the end of the day, 905 01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:29.199 the people who paid for this movie can obviously do whatever they want with it. 906 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.440 Doesn't mean I have to like it, I effing hate it or agree 907 01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.760 with it. And it doesn't mean that this movie is anything less than magnificent. 908 01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:39.320 You would be so proud of it, a movie that should be seen, 909 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:43.440 but won't please know that all the years and years of hard work, 910 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:47.119 dedication and love that you put into this movie shows in every frame. That's 911 01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:54.159 all folks. That's a lovely statement, it really is. And it broke 912 01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:57.960 my heart reading that, you know, I know. And it's funny because 913 01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:00.679 I find myself I'm actually like getting like worked up thinking about this right now, 914 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.239 and I realize what I'm talking about too, getting worked up. There 915 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:09.039 are much much larger problems in the world, and so with full acknowledgment to 916 01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:13.559 that, you know, but like it's just it is still a frustrating thing. 917 01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:18.920 I mean, it's just people worked hard on a thing, and I 918 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.280 don't know, it just feels so like you said, cynical to just delete 919 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:28.519 it because it looks better on your taxes. It's just such a gross thing 920 01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.360 that I as gross as this. You know, the entertainment industry already is. 921 01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:35.679 It's just like another thing to add to it that just makes me sad. 922 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:41.679 Yeah, well, Brian, here's something that may make you sad or 923 01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.000 it may make you happy. I don't know. Me let me bounce this 924 01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:48.599 off you. We have a Naked Gun a reboot coming. I heard about 925 01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:55.360 this, so this was announced. It feels like a while ago, and 926 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:57.599 I kind of just wrote it off as like, well, this is probably 927 01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:02.800 never gonna happen, but no. Paramount has scheduled it for release next summer. 928 01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:08.000 July eighteenth, twenty twenty five. Up next year, we have the 929 01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:13.760 Naked Gun starring starring Brian. I think you'll like this Liam Neeson as Frank 930 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:18.680 Dreben Junior. I mean, look, you and I get weird when they're 931 01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:23.199 like, Okay, they're going to make a sequel to some movie that's beloved 932 01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:27.000 from your childhood, right because you just know it's going to feel wrong. 933 01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.159 Or it's gonna just not going to be the same. And the second I 934 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:34.359 heard that Liam Neeson was going to be in a Naked Gun movie, I 935 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:38.239 was like, oh wow, that is the only thing that makes sense, 936 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:45.720 you know, like who else you know? That's what you do? You 937 01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:48.520 know, like, you don't get a comedian to play Dreben or Dreben Junior, 938 01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:53.640 right, like you get a dramatic actor who knows how to be a 939 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:59.560 funny straight man. So I'm on board. I'm on board for this, 940 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:04.000 I definitely. I remember back in the day there was talk of doing a 941 01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:10.840 new Naked Gun with Ed Helms, and that was my that was my issue 942 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:12.840 with that, which I love. I love at Helmes, but I'm like, 943 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.840 no, that's wrong, because yes, he's a comedian, he's gonna 944 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:23.119 play it funny. Now here's a fun fact. Leslie Nielsen was sixty eight 945 01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:29.960 when he played Frank Drevin in the Naked Gun movie the first one sixty two. 946 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:32.520 Sorry, he was sixty two, sixty two and sixty in the first 947 01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:39.079 movie. Liam Neeson is seventy one. I feel like we talk about this 948 01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:43.600 a lot, but doesn't it feel like the understanding of ages has changed a 949 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:45.840 lot? Or the perception at least. Yeah, you know, I mean 950 01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:50.439 if you told me like a seventy year old when you say seventy, I 951 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:54.199 sort of have an image in my mind, but that image has changed over 952 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:57.960 time. I mean Harrison Ford though he looked old and Dial of Destiny, 953 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:02.000 I mean he's eighty. Yep, you know it's but I don't view him 954 01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:09.239 as what eighty is in my head likewise, that's true, right, Yeah, 955 01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:14.199 But but I definitely Liam Neeson has has a deft hand when it comes 956 01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:18.119 to playing humor, totally straight. You know, he's he's for me. 957 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:24.000 One of his funniest things is when he was in that that Ricky Gervay's thing 958 01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:28.439 with with Wark Davis. Oh my god, brilliant, you know. Yeah, 959 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:30.000 yeah, so you tell me he's gonna do it. I think I 960 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.159 think it's a great choice. So I'm actually very excited about this now, 961 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:39.319 if I'm not mistaken. Seth MacFarlane was involved at one point in the Snaked 962 01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:42.920 Gun sequel. I don't know if that's the case anymore, but I had 963 01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:45.840 heard that would make a while back, like it was kind of his thing, 964 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.479 And yeah, I think now there are other writers because Akiva Schaefer of 965 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:54.800 The Lonely Island is directing it, and I think one of his guys, 966 01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:58.640 not Lonely Island, but someone who worked on Chippendale is now on so they're 967 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.359 probably tailoring it a little bit from Well. McFarland is still involved though, 968 01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:05.119 Yeah, oh sure, sir, I mean I'm sure he's probably still credited, 969 01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:11.199 right, But it sounds like as Schaeffer boards, yeah, put his 970 01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:14.479 spin on it. Yeah, because I pulled up the wrap here and here's 971 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.279 Seth MacFarland and this is his quote. He says it's being worked one as 972 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.399 we speak. A Kiva Schaffer has written, the drafted, his team has 973 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.520 done a hell of a job, and it's in development. Okay, So 974 01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:25.720 in other words, Seth MacFarland got it to the starting line and then handed 975 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:30.720 it off. But hey, I'm down for that. Here's another reboot, 976 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.399 Brian, which I'm sure you're going to be equally excited about. We have 977 01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:44.840 a brand new version of the Crow coming yes, uh yeah, boy. 978 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.920 They released the first picture of this one this past week. Not now, 979 01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:54.159 They've been threatening a remake of The Crow forever. Yeah, I mean, 980 01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:57.720 at one point Jason Momoa was attached. I remember that that seemed to get 981 01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:01.319 pretty far along they finally land the edge of him, like test footage of 982 01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.159 him on you can look out on YouTube. Is that right? Oh I 983 01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:09.000 never saw that? Think so yeah, So that that one didn't end up 984 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:15.159 happening, and then they ended up going with Bill scars Guard, who is 985 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.239 a fine actor. I have no problem with him, but I feel I 986 01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:23.039 feel very very bad for Bill scars Guard because, if nothing else, the 987 01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:29.960 first still that they released of Bill scars Guard as Eric draven Uh is not 988 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.840 a particularly flattering image of the character. Let's say, he looks like the 989 01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:43.119 guy from d Ant Word Ninja. Yes, I was gonna say it looked 990 01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:47.439 like Jared leto Joker cosplay, but yeah, I think yeah, I saw 991 01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:49.680 that a lot, you know, people being like, where's all this missic 992 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:54.279 is damaged across his forehead. Now, now this is a weird one, 993 01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:58.760 right because because there have been like I don't even know how many sequels to 994 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:03.239 The Crow. Yeah, well there was the big one obviously with Brandan Lee, 995 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:09.119 but then there was like directed video sequels, well at least a few 996 01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:13.239 of those were not direct to video. Oh really, yeah, yeah, 997 01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:16.279 we get okay, So I just pulled it up, so we got so 998 01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:19.239 we got the Crow, which came out thirty years ago, and obviously that's 999 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.720 that's the legendary for a variety of reasons, not least being you know, 1000 01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:26.960 it was the movie that Brandon Lee died while making, and so it kind 1001 01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:30.840 of it's sort of sanctified a little bit, you know. But in nineteen 1002 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.319 ninety six, it was The Crow City of Angels. That one went to 1003 01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:39.159 theaters, The Crow Salvation, I believe that one went to theaters. And 1004 01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:42.560 then there was the last one, which is The Crow Wicked Prayer with Edward 1005 01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:47.279 Furlong as the Crow, and I feel like that one went straight to video. 1006 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:53.359 Okay, I'm mistaken. I didn't realize there's a few. And then 1007 01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.960 there was also the TV series The Crow Stairway to Heaven, which nobody remembers, 1008 01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:04.439 but I remember that that was a that was a syndicated that was that 1009 01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:13.039 was not even WPWR syndicated. That was w CiU syndicated. Are you really 1010 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:17.720 that's true? The Channel twenty six the you had The Crow Stairway to Heaven, 1011 01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:25.159 which that so that actually was the Eric Draven They redid that. Okay, 1012 01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:27.640 so it's been done. You know what, I mean I'm not I'm 1013 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:29.640 not like, oh, this is rarefied eron, nobody can touch it. 1014 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.800 I mean, they did it on a syndicated CiU TV series, but I 1015 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.680 feel like, if you're gonna do it, you have to really do it. 1016 01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:41.720 And given how many times this has been done without needing to revisit that 1017 01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:45.000 character, I don't know why they felt this, you know what I mean? 1018 01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:47.840 Does that make sense? Like like why why why set yourself up with 1019 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:56.920 that direct head to head comparison? Yeah? Yeah, I mean it's just 1020 01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:01.319 not a I just don't I don't think it's a great idea to begin with, 1021 01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:08.640 maybe because the one the version of course that everyone remembers, I think 1022 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.800 is Brendan Lee and the look of Brendan Lee. And so you just already 1023 01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:15.920 like going against something that feels, like, you say, a little sanctified. 1024 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:19.199 So it already is like, all right, so what what's what's your 1025 01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:24.159 purpose here? You know, first of all, but then to like introduce 1026 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:28.840 a character that doesn't even resemble the Crow, but he also looks like something 1027 01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:32.960 that we're immediately already making fun of, you know, like it's just this 1028 01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:38.239 just feels like a series of bad decisions. Yeah, And the thing. 1029 01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:41.720 The thing about the original film is that it has such a distinct look and 1030 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.880 its directed by Alex Proyus, who did he did Dark City a couple of 1031 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:50.960 years later, I mean, very esoteric filmmaker, because he also did Gods 1032 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:55.359 of Egypt. I think, so, you know, it's it's it's not 1033 01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:59.359 like his his his filmography is without blemishes. But regardless, he gave that 1034 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:03.960 original film a really distinct look and it's so reflective of that era that in 1035 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:08.000 a weird way, that itself is what makes it timeless. Like I don't 1036 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:11.159 think. I mean, it's been a little while since I've seen it, 1037 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:15.520 but I feel like you can watch the first Crow and not feel like, 1038 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:20.399 oh, this movie is so dated. No, not at all. I 1039 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:25.399 caught maybe like twenty minutes of it on cable the other night. I mean, 1040 01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:28.840 I love that movie. That was one of the first like bootleg VHS's 1041 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:32.119 I ever had a friend of ours he had like two VCRs, and every 1042 01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:33.479 now and then he'd be like, hey, you want to Crow, And 1043 01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:39.600 I'm like yeah, And so I have this memory of it a little wobbly 1044 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:45.119 on the screen, but like yeah, I mean I think to this day 1045 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:48.239 it holds up in a way it's a little cornier than you remember, probably, 1046 01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:55.920 Yeah, but it's so moody, and the way that it's filmed is 1047 01:16:56.000 --> 01:17:00.600 just so haunting, and it just still feels haunting. And you know, 1048 01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.479 Lee looks so awesome, you know, in that get up and the way 1049 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:09.960 that he the action in there is just so evocative, and the soundtrack and 1050 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:15.239 I mean it just really is one of those things where it's a perfect encapsulation, 1051 01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:19.039 you know, And so it's a really hard thing to want to say, 1052 01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:21.479 like, hey, let me try that. Let me try that too, 1053 01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:25.479 and like have it stand next to that, Like it does feel like 1054 01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:27.920 if you feel like you can't stand next to it, I don't know why 1055 01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:30.720 you would want to even try. Yeah, you know it. Like there's 1056 01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:35.479 two properties that I feel like have been kicking around the just the development pipeline 1057 01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:40.119 since forever, one of which is the Crow, which going at least as 1058 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:42.520 far back as two thousand and eight, they've been trying to get it going 1059 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:49.880 right sure. And then second is Highlander, right, and that is moving 1060 01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:54.000 forward. I think Henry cavill is going to be in that. But to 1061 01:17:54.039 --> 01:18:00.840 me, the impetus behind something like Highlander makes sense because in a way that 1062 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:03.279 the Crow doesn't, because I feel like the Crow you got it, you 1063 01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:08.079 nailed it, Like there's no topping it, clearly because they've they've done all 1064 01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:12.399 those sequels, none of them even even you know, they can't even get 1065 01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:16.720 close to that first one, right, Highlander. It's a franchise that spanned 1066 01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:19.479 various and sundry things. But let's face it, even the first film, 1067 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:24.520 which is the best, that's like, you know, it's like a B 1068 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:29.199 plus sure at Betty. I mean, you know, it's it's fixable, 1069 01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:30.319 is my point, Like there's something there to go back to. I don't 1070 01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:32.359 know, maybe I feel like I'm gonna piss people off of this, but 1071 01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:36.439 I mean, you know, it's it's like a it's it's a flawed but 1072 01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:41.359 watchable film, is what I would say the first Highlander. So there's something 1073 01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.840 there. Does that make sense? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah definitely. 1074 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:47.119 I mean, and thinking of this Crow thing and trying to be charitable with 1075 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.119 it. I mean, look, I realize I'm like ragging on a picture 1076 01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:54.600 I saw, right, yeah, but no, but Brian, this is 1077 01:18:54.640 --> 01:19:00.199 not some paparazzi picture. This They took this picture and released it. Know, 1078 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:03.000 I think the look is ridiculous, Like I stand by that, but 1079 01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:10.600 like I do see the potential in the story. I mean, you know, 1080 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:13.479 it's you can see where you could do this over and over again. 1081 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:15.760 Like someone who's killed unjustly, you know, and his loved one is killed 1082 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:21.199 unjustly, gets the opportunity to come back and seek revenge with supernatural powers and 1083 01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:26.880 you know, against the people who acted against him, and that's so you 1084 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:30.720 could plug and play that so many times. So I think the thing that 1085 01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:33.520 will make me interested in this, and I'm really hoping I would love to 1086 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:38.960 love this, is if they can find like an interesting angle, something interesting 1087 01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:47.039 new characters, yeah, some sort of theme or take using that premise, 1088 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:51.840 and make something affecting, something emotional, something that I feel thrilled and satisfied 1089 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:57.720 by at the end. It's possible, That's my hope. But I definitely 1090 01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:00.760 don't like the way it looks so far. I think, well, I 1091 01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:04.279 think they failed on the look front, which is which is a problem because 1092 01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:08.880 that's the first thing about this movie that they've they've put out into the world. 1093 01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:14.560 So they are starting off on the wrong foot most likely, by the 1094 01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:17.199 way. So I'm just looking at it on IMDb and you know they have 1095 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:21.239 like a little synopsis at the top. The synopsis for the Crow remake is 1096 01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:26.600 a modern reimagining of the beloved character the Crow, but not based on the 1097 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:32.199 original look of the character from the graphic novel. Okay, the story description, 1098 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:39.199 so that one comes out this coming summer. Brian's I suspect we'll be 1099 01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:43.600 talking about it before too long. I I'll check it out. I love 1100 01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.640 the first one so much that I'm out of curiosity. I have to know 1101 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:48.359 what they do with it. It is directed, by the way, by 1102 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:53.840 Rupert Sanders, who previously did Snow White and the Huntsmen and also Ghost in 1103 01:20:53.920 --> 01:21:00.800 the Shell, both of which were reboots or reimaginings of stories that were that 1104 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:05.239 garnered mixed receptions, shall we say to give him a little bit of credit. 1105 01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:08.880 I don't remember a lot about Ghosts in the Shell, but I do 1106 01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:14.279 remember the opening like action sequence with all those guys in that room. Oh 1107 01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:19.359 yeah, that was very interesting and unique. Okay, well, there we 1108 01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:24.119 go. We can we can carry that with us into the theater. Come 1109 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:27.720 come June. Yeah. Actually, while we're talking about reboots, I thought 1110 01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:33.039 this was interesting. Superman Legacy is now filming The New The New the launch 1111 01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:36.800 of the big DC Cinematic Universe launch. You say, didn't we already have 1112 01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:42.159 one? No, this is the new one, Ryan, God, get 1113 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:45.800 with it. This is this is twenty twenty four now, yeah, give 1114 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:48.159 it the wait? Is this coming out in twenty twenty five or six twenty 1115 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:54.720 twenty five next summer? Okay, okay, so we haven't seen much. 1116 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:58.680 However, the big news we have seen the s which you know, looks 1117 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:02.199 it's like another it's another T shirt for Warner Bros. To sell that basically 1118 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:08.279 it looks like some it looks like a variation of the Superman simple But I 1119 01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:12.720 thought this was interesting that James Gunn said he started out calling it Superman Legacy, 1120 01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:17.600 but he has gotten rid of the colon legacy and it's now just Superman. 1121 01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:23.920 Okay, how do you feel about that? That makes me happy? 1122 01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:30.279 Brian? Okay, you don't feel like that steps on seventy eight Superman, 1123 01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:33.800 No, because I think that movie will forever be referred to as Superman seventy 1124 01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:38.760 eight, the same way we call it Batman eighty nine. Right yeah? 1125 01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:44.079 And plus I mean, really that movie, the what it's referred to as 1126 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:48.239 is Superman the movie, right right. But this I'm actually glad about this 1127 01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:56.800 because it it divests us of thinking it's a sequel of some kind. Hmmm, 1128 01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.960 sure, because that was really my I can it's starting over. That 1129 01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:04.439 was my concern is people will think it's just another Superman sequel and you call 1130 01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:10.239 it Superman. Well, that feels like a pretty good line of demarcation, 1131 01:23:10.479 --> 01:23:18.720 and it also to me at least signals some sense of guns approach, right, 1132 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:25.520 which is he wants this to be something that is introductory, if not 1133 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:27.960 in terms of the character's origin, which he said he's not gonna tell, 1134 01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:30.960 but something that plays to as wide an audience as possible is like, welcome 1135 01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:33.960 in. This is this is where it all starts, you know what I 1136 01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:42.399 mean? Yeah, yeah, well I'm I mean I'm excited. I Superman. 1137 01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:45.680 Your Superman is your guy. You've loved Superman, he's your favorite. 1138 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:49.000 Yeah, and I've of course watched them all and whatever, and maybe the 1139 01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:55.119 fact that we haven't gotten as many as Batman or some of the others still 1140 01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:57.960 makes him feel really special to me. And like, I like Superman, 1141 01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:02.079 I haven't had a lot of Superman, so I am very eager for a 1142 01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:08.279 new Superman film. Yeah, well, I definitely agree with that. And 1143 01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.199 I feel like, you know, it has now been eleven years since the 1144 01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:15.840 last solo Superman movie, which we like so made of steel. We did, 1145 01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:16.840 we did like it, you know. So I mean in the middle 1146 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:20.319 there obviously that was Batman vus Superman in Justice League whatever, but like just 1147 01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:24.840 something about Superman all by himself. I think I think we need it. 1148 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:30.279 I am disappointed, however, that the Superman and Lowest television series is heading 1149 01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:34.560 into its final season as a sop to this new movie coming out. But 1150 01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:38.720 the good news there, Brian, is that, well that means you've got 1151 01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:42.960 like a good show that's pretty contained waiting for you if you eorite decided to 1152 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:45.560 check it out. Yeah, you showed me a bit of an episode once 1153 01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:49.199 and I remember thinking, oh, I like this. This is the way. 1154 01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:50.960 You know, this is always here for me. If I want to 1155 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:55.359 check this out, I need to. I'm very bad about starting TV shows. 1156 01:24:55.479 --> 01:25:00.159 So yeah, I mean they're coming back for one five like ten episode 1157 01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:03.680 season, which is the fourth season, so so you know, whatever to 1158 01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:06.119 whatever degoe, they're gonna wrap it up. Actually that show, I'll tell 1159 01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:12.560 you. They recently added Michael Kutletz as Lex Luthor, who I don't know 1160 01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:15.800 if you know who he is, but he I guarantee you know him, 1161 01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:18.119 like by face. He's one of those guys, you know, kind of 1162 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:20.640 this big, burly guy. And and I was thinking, like, that's 1163 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:26.039 what's so interesting to me about the Lex Luthor character is like Nicholas Holt is 1164 01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:31.000 playing him in this new movie Cutletz is on the this current series. You 1165 01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:35.239 know, John Cryer played him in the arrow Verse. I'm like, it's 1166 01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:39.560 in that fascinating like you can do that with Lex Luthor. Mm hm, 1167 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:44.319 you know, from Gene Hackman to John Shay to Michael Rosenbaum to I mean 1168 01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:48.640 it's you're running a gamut, yep. And I find that, you know, 1169 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:54.399 I'm charmed by that. Well. It's funny because with who Lex Luthor 1170 01:25:54.680 --> 01:26:01.239 is, you know, is eras change in the world, that type of 1171 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:05.239 person can look very different. You know, you can have a Jesse Eisenberg 1172 01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:10.439 Zuckerberg ye kind of Titan of Industry person, you know what I mean, 1173 01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:13.560 versus Yeah, in the eighties, you imagine a Titan of industry more like 1174 01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:16.800 you know, Michael Douglas or something. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, 1175 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:20.079 you know, we just did the Loew's and Clark Pilot. I mean, 1176 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:26.479 John Shay was kind of doing his own thing, you know, yeah, 1177 01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:29.520 very distinct, you know, and I think that's that's that is fun. 1178 01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:31.640 So I'm I'm, I mean, obviously it's superman. I'm going to 1179 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:36.359 be excited. But but like we said before, next summer, not this 1180 01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:43.039 coming summer, the following summer is already starting to stack up. Oh yeah, 1181 01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:45.079 yeah, it's so funny. We're in twenty twenty four, but you 1182 01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:49.000 and I are very excited about twenty twenty five. Yeah, so let's take 1183 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:54.560 another short break and then we come back and talk about the latest big hit 1184 01:26:54.760 --> 01:27:06.600 leaders. And we are back, and you know who else is back? 1185 01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:12.520 Brian? Who's that? Zachi? Why it's Joe Biden and Donald Trump running 1186 01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:17.079 against each other again? What the hell is going on here? Didn't we 1187 01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:25.640 just leave this party? Doesn't this, Brian? Doesn't this feel like in 1188 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:29.079 Temple of Doom, you know, when Indian short round are in the spike 1189 01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.560 room and then it's like we are going to die, and then you know, 1190 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.840 the election ends, the spikes come up, and then you know, 1191 01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:40.000 you you made the mistake of relaxing, kind of leaning back into the spikes 1192 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:44.680 start coming down again. That is brilliant, Zachi. That is one of 1193 01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:49.119 the best analogies. I think I've heard about this moment as as soon as 1194 01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:53.039 you know, like as we record this Super Tuesday's two days ago. It's 1195 01:27:53.039 --> 01:28:02.960 like, Okay, Donald Trump has clinched denomination. He's like Musica. But 1196 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:06.479 anyway, we're not here to talk about We're not here to talk about, 1197 01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:11.479 you know, lunatics with Messiah complexes. We're here to talk about Paula. 1198 01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:23.439 Treaty's very good, very good. I went to the theater for some escapism. 1199 01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.680 I didn't really feel a lot of escapism watching Dune Part two. My 1200 01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:30.800 gosh, a little too real. So, as we said at the top 1201 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:33.119 of this episode, man, you know packed houses this movie is playing for. 1202 01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:39.119 And what's been kind of fun for me is as walking out of the 1203 01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:44.600 theater, you hear people talking about the movie as they're walking out, and 1204 01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:46.840 that's new for me, Like, I haven't felt that type of energy in 1205 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:53.119 a while, in a while, I agree with you. So you recently 1206 01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:59.079 watched part one when they re released it to theaters, yes, and that 1207 01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:01.159 sort of prime for this, And then you watched the Lynch movie in the 1208 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:04.239 middle there, so you're like, you're all doomed up at this point, 1209 01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:09.600 man. I yes, I am very very glad that I watched part one, 1210 01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:14.279 just because I've actually heard other people say this as well. But when 1211 01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:15.079 it came out, I was like, yeah, that was very impressive, 1212 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:20.439 but I didn't feel like I was going to watch it again. And they 1213 01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:24.600 put it back in theaters about two weeks ago, and a friend of mine 1214 01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:25.800 was like, Hey, do you want to go see it just to kind 1215 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:28.399 of catch up, and I was like, oh, okay, you know, 1216 01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:31.119 I mean, I wasn't planning on it, and I really enjoyed it 1217 01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:35.479 a lot more the second time. And then when we watched the David Lynch 1218 01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:38.319 One. Unfortunately, I had a cold when we did that, and I 1219 01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:40.880 can tell that I sound like I'm on cold medicine. When I was editing, 1220 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:43.319 I was like, wow, I sound really stuppy, unfortunately. But 1221 01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:45.439 the Lynch One is very interesting. I'll say that, like, it's not 1222 01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:51.359 a great movie, but it's very interesting and it makes me really even more 1223 01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:57.439 interested in the world because it gets into other things that the remakes don't get 1224 01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:01.439 into, and I was like finding myself really intrigued and interested in the whole 1225 01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:06.880 Dune world, and so I was eager to go into part two, and 1226 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:13.479 I felt prepped to go into part two. And I really enjoyed this movie 1227 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:18.119 a lot. Wow, Okay, yeah, I was very into it, 1228 01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:25.159 and I just found it it just felt so epic, you know. And 1229 01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:28.159 it's just like, I feel like we have a lot of movies that have 1230 01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:33.359 a lot of special effects or visual effects, but they just all feel and 1231 01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:41.399 look kind of the same, right, And I'm not thrilled as much as 1232 01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:44.680 I probably should be relative to the amount of special effects we're seeing on screen. 1233 01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:50.319 Keep saying visual effects, but this felt epic and fresh, you know, 1234 01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:54.960 the visuals of it. The story is complex and kind of intriguing, 1235 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:59.399 and you really have to listen because it's not the story you're expecting it to 1236 01:30:59.399 --> 01:31:03.319 be necessary. And I mean the filmmaking is on another level, you know 1237 01:31:03.439 --> 01:31:12.039 what, the mixture of visual effects and and tactile locations and everything, and 1238 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:16.279 I just I feel like I just saw something epic, big blockbuster and somehow 1239 01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:24.000 still fresh. And that's really exhilarating, isn't it something It felt to me. 1240 01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:31.920 I got the same vibe after I felt it anyway with the first one, 1241 01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:38.960 but definitely with with both. I was like, this is what Peter 1242 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:45.640 Jackson's Lord of the Rings felt like. Hmm sure, where it's a perfect 1243 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:50.720 marriage of filmmaker and material. You can tell this is somebody who who has 1244 01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:54.399 lived in this world as a fan. You know, we talked about how 1245 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:57.119 Lynch came at it, like not not as a fan. I mean, 1246 01:31:57.239 --> 01:31:59.800 he viewed it as a job and he did what he did. I'm not 1247 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:05.760 I'm not criticizing whatever his his you know whatever, you know, muse to 1248 01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:10.720 prompted him to take the job on, but he wasn't coming at it as 1249 01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:13.199 a fan. And phil a move is like he is set in here. 1250 01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:16.560 He's like, my dream is to make Doune and he made his dream come 1251 01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:21.960 true. Right, It's remarkable. Yeah, yeah, And he just feels 1252 01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:25.640 like to give him a lot of credit. And by the way, I 1253 01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:28.159 have like things too, like a little few knits to pick and like, 1254 01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:31.720 well we'll get into those two, but like to to continue gushing. I 1255 01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:36.439 just feel like, you know, there's so many complaints about you know, 1256 01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:41.760 everything is just filled with CGI and everything feels so flat and whatever. And 1257 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:45.399 you know, we've had people right in who work in visual effects and be 1258 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:48.600 like, well, yeah, but it's it's you know, it's you can't 1259 01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:53.239 just make that a catch all excuse for the look of certain films, and 1260 01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:55.600 and I've tried to keep that in mind ever since. I really have. 1261 01:32:56.199 --> 01:33:00.800 And I feel like this is a movie you could point to where an artist, 1262 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:06.279 a filmmaker who knows exactly what they're doing is wielding what we're capable of 1263 01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:14.239 today in exactly the right ways, where Okay, we'll go to a relocation, 1264 01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:16.119 we'll build the bottom half of this thing. This is the thing that 1265 01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:19.479 people actually have to interact with, and then we will fill in the top, 1266 01:33:20.279 --> 01:33:24.239 you know, like the way I was reading about the way that the 1267 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:29.479 sandworms traveled, you know, and how they had these I can't explain it, 1268 01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:33.359 but basically these things running through the sand that made the sand break and 1269 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:38.960 fall around the curvature of whatever they were standing on, acting as the sandworms 1270 01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:43.520 like they So that was practical, because you can sense that that needs to 1271 01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:45.279 feel practical next to our actor. But on the other hand, it's like, 1272 01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:48.840 well, this thing can be a visual effect and like just it was 1273 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:57.279 the perfect marriage, so expertly married together to execute something that feels we're on 1274 01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:00.079 another planet and yet somehow I still feel like I'm in a very real place. 1275 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:04.479 And so, I mean that was just a really awesome thing to see. 1276 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:10.239 And I hope film other filmmakers take note, you know. Yeah, 1277 01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:14.840 no, I think exactly. And going back to what I was saying before, 1278 01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:17.680 I mean, that's what that's what Jackson did with Lord of the Rings, 1279 01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:23.079 right, he knew how to marry the practical and the digital. Yep, 1280 01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:31.560 you know. I like my main concern was will they be willing to 1281 01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:36.640 go to the dark place that the novel does. So it was gratifying to 1282 01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:43.840 see to see the story end where it does. And the great thing here's 1283 01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:46.520 the thing, right, Like, it's funny because the exact same drive that 1284 01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:51.279 prompted the the movie forty years ago to not go there, which is oh, 1285 01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:56.239 audiences won't accept it, has been disproven forty years later. Because this 1286 01:34:56.439 --> 01:35:00.319 is the one you're gonna remember. You're gonna remember how made you feel uncomfortable? 1287 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:04.239 Just like you know, one of the greatest endings of all time is 1288 01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:10.399 when we see the door slamming on Kay's face at the end of The Godfather, 1289 01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:16.279 and this is comparable to that. Yeah, definitely, giving the story 1290 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:23.439 room to Breathe allows us to get to hear, you know, navigating Paul's 1291 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:30.239 own fears about what could end up happening. I think it makes it, 1292 01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:32.399 you know. I mean, the ultimate tragedy of the character, not just 1293 01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:35.840 in this book, but as we in the in the subsequent ones, is 1294 01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:41.680 that he's trapped in a box of his own making, you know, And 1295 01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:45.920 he is a tragic figure and that's what makes him interesting. And so to 1296 01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:48.000 me what I love number one, I'm like Dune part one, Dune part 1297 01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:53.119 two. It's we have they have completed the book. That is done, 1298 01:35:53.359 --> 01:35:56.600 and if we don't go a frame past it, that's fine because you finished 1299 01:35:56.640 --> 01:36:00.640 the book. But the great thing is that there is more story they can 1300 01:36:00.680 --> 01:36:02.920 tell, and you know, I do hope they get the chance to do 1301 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:08.159 it. It feels like at this point that they likely will, right, 1302 01:36:08.880 --> 01:36:11.960 yeah, well this is I mean this the other thought I had as I 1303 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:14.600 was watching certainly yesterday on my second being, I was like, man, 1304 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:19.760 this movie would not have even gotten green lit in the Zaslav era. A 1305 01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:25.319 Yeah, sure, right, I mean, I mean it had everything going 1306 01:36:25.319 --> 01:36:28.119 against it. It's when you think about it, villain who just happened to 1307 01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:32.439 land in terms of chronologically where this movie got green lit. He it's he 1308 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:38.600 almost he got went in under the fence, you know, right, because 1309 01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:43.720 certainly, like his his filmography up to this point is not one comprised of 1310 01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:45.640 blockbusters. I don't know of any movie of his that's been a massive hit. 1311 01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:51.199 Mm hmm. Blade Runner was a pretty big flop, right right. 1312 01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:55.520 But I mean he is somebody who every single movie of his I have liked, 1313 01:36:55.800 --> 01:37:00.359 you know, same, same, and so actually, I mean so 1314 01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:01.720 I was gonna say, I mean I can tell that you're you're, you're 1315 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:03.800 favorable on it, but I don't know that I've actually heard, Like, 1316 01:37:03.800 --> 01:37:06.239 what are your feelings on it? I mean, you're you've read the book, 1317 01:37:06.640 --> 01:37:10.800 You're much more familiar with the Lynch's movie than I am. I mean, 1318 01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:15.159 what was your take on this conclusion to what began with part one? 1319 01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:18.760 Yeah? Well, yeah, going back to what I was saying before, 1320 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:21.680 I mean, the best thing I can say is I knew exactly what was 1321 01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:26.039 going to happen, right, That's that's the best thing. And I think 1322 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:30.479 I think the changes that Lynd that excuse me, that Lynch that Villeneuve made, 1323 01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:35.039 uh, which are not you know, multitudinous there's a few that are 1324 01:37:35.079 --> 01:37:40.239 pretty pretty substantial, but I think on the whole they work. They are 1325 01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:45.119 effective changes in service of the story. Not to say that that, you 1326 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:48.239 know, the book needed to be improved on, but I just think in 1327 01:37:48.319 --> 01:37:53.520 terms of scaling down and telling this story and having it hit the way it 1328 01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:58.399 should have, I think his his instincts were correct. So I I thoroughly 1329 01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:01.880 enjoyed it. Again it ended, and my oldest just leans over to me 1330 01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:05.800 and he's like, that was awesome, right, yeah, which is great, 1331 01:38:06.039 --> 01:38:10.279 and he has not read the book. I I went, my brother 1332 01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:12.119 went with. My brother is a huge fan of the book, and we 1333 01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:15.279 both like throughout the movie, we were kind of like nudging each other, 1334 01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:18.600 you know, at various points, you know. Yeah. In fact, 1335 01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:24.479 I remember about a third of the way through just like leaning over and telling 1336 01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:30.239 him like, this is awesome. You know. So I absolutely loved it. 1337 01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:33.039 I think I think the ending is one that is very powerful and it 1338 01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:35.880 really stays with you. And honestly, I've seen it twice. I'd be 1339 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:39.800 happy to watch it again, you know. Yeah, yeah, no, 1340 01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:44.279 I've as soon as it ended. I mean, it's so much and I 1341 01:38:44.279 --> 01:38:47.479 think there's probably a lot that I you know, missed just because I was 1342 01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:50.359 so excited about what I was looking at on the left side of the screen 1343 01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:57.319 or something. Yeah, I definitely planned to check it out another time when 1344 01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:00.319 I can find the time, and really, like, I mean, I 1345 01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:04.640 think chalomey is is very good and I think this is going to be kind 1346 01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:10.199 of his He's going to have a very long, lustrous career, but I 1347 01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:14.520 think this is going to be one of those performances that it defines him for 1348 01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:16.079 the Masses, you know, and I think it's a good it's a good 1349 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:20.239 role to be identified with, you know. Yeah, and even having the 1350 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:25.920 years between them, I think really helps because my agree journey that goes on 1351 01:39:25.960 --> 01:39:29.800 between the let's call this one story over two movies. But he is sort 1352 01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.399 of more boyish in the first one, and it's you know, when he 1353 01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:35.479 has to rise up and become a bit more you know, in front of 1354 01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:40.000 the masses, as he does in this one. I don't know that I 1355 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:44.800 could imagine that kid in the first movie doing that. Yeah, I agree, 1356 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:46.079 But then by the time you get to that moment, you know, 1357 01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:49.600 in the second half of this film, I was like, well, you 1358 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:56.399 know, I was I was convinced I was convinced. I definitely agree with 1359 01:39:56.399 --> 01:40:00.199 that. I I I also I really liked, really liked Javier bar Dam 1360 01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:03.880 in this. Yeah. He was terrific, right, really, just a 1361 01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:10.760 great character. I loved Brolin. I was glad that we got to get 1362 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:15.560 a little bit more focus on his character. And I Rebecca Ferguson kind of 1363 01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:18.920 taking a sinister turn. I thought that that worked pretty effectively as well. 1364 01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:26.239 Totally. Yeah. I mean I don't have any any major complaints, and 1365 01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:29.439 and like you said, we can certainly pick some knits, but I figure 1366 01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:31.279 we can do that in the spoiler section, right, Yeah, let's do 1367 01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:34.159 it. All right, So it's two thumbs up from us, but let's 1368 01:40:34.159 --> 01:40:46.039 talk spoilers right after this spoiler. All right, Brian, what are you 1369 01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:53.199 gonna bitch about now? No, I want to say now that we're talking 1370 01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:57.000 more specifically. I love where it just sort of picked up, you know, 1371 01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:00.720 seeing them being hunted in the desert, you know, yeah, like 1372 01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:03.960 literally right after right after the first one left off. Yeah, yeah, 1373 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:11.560 I love that. And and then it's like sort of like his immersion into 1374 01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:15.199 the Fremen, you know, And it's I love that the movie can be 1375 01:41:15.239 --> 01:41:17.359 as long as it is so we can take our time with these sort of 1376 01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:20.720 things and experience, you know, seeing some of them like kind of doubt 1377 01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:23.800 him, but Zendas like, well, I don't know, there's something about 1378 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:28.479 him, Like I just enjoyed all that that sort of stuff. I think 1379 01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:33.319 if I had a knit I would say it might be whenever it was cutting 1380 01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:39.920 to Batista and his pursuit. Yeah, I felt like all that felt a 1381 01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:45.359 little perfunctory. You know, I think that's valid. Yeah, right, 1382 01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:47.159 Like it felt a little bit like just checking it because we have to. 1383 01:41:47.279 --> 01:41:50.239 It's like we got to remember that there are bad guys in pursuit, there 1384 01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:53.800 are antagonists, and it would just sort of check in. He'd be like 1385 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:55.920 where are they, and thegether like I don't know, like then I'm gonna 1386 01:41:56.000 --> 01:41:58.880 kill you, and then it would just like cut away, and then it 1387 01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:04.880 would have slamming somebody's head into a console. Yeah, And and I found 1388 01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:08.960 every time it cut to him, it almost felt like an obligation just to 1389 01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:12.079 remind us that there were villains. And I kind of wish we had gotten 1390 01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:19.279 just a little bit more into what he Boutista's character might be feeling or experiencing, 1391 01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:23.920 or like he at some point like him and Austin Butler's characters are a 1392 01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:28.039 little bit at odds, and I think digging in a little bit into how 1393 01:42:28.039 --> 01:42:30.760 does he feel about that? Like I wouldn't have minded just like a teensy 1394 01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:33.720 bit more. By the way, speaking speaking of Austin Butler, aren't you 1395 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:38.560 secretly kind of hoping he's he's talks like stellin Scarsguard for the next year and 1396 01:42:38.600 --> 01:42:44.039 a half. Well, when I a character inhabits me, it's hard to 1397 01:42:44.039 --> 01:42:49.680 shake. I mean it was like it was a pitch perfect stellin Scars Guard, 1398 01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:53.760 he was doing the whole movie. When he started doing it, I 1399 01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:58.720 was like, oh, that is brilliant. I was like, does scars 1400 01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:00.680 Guard know what he's doing? You know, like he's doing it to his 1401 01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:06.640 face? Yeah? But that was that was really good. He's good. 1402 01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:13.760 He's no. I really liked him. He's no Sting Brandon. Where was 1403 01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:15.920 the metal underwear? I ask? You? See? And that's what's so 1404 01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:20.239 interesting too, is the differences between the two the Lynch movie. In this 1405 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:24.880 movie, I mean, the characterization is obviously quite different. I mean you 1406 01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:30.279 have Sting just sort of this smirking, sculpted, you know, kind of 1407 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:32.560 guy who looks like, if you breathe wrong, he'll just break your neck. 1408 01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:40.439 And you know, Austin Butler feels a little bit like a killer for 1409 01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:44.359 sure, but like a little less like a live wire, just more like 1410 01:43:44.399 --> 01:43:46.720 a focused, don't get in my way kind of guy. And I felt 1411 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:49.520 like he was an interesting, well realized character. And I loved everything. 1412 01:43:49.560 --> 01:43:54.439 By the way on their planet, like that whole the way they did that. 1413 01:43:54.520 --> 01:43:56.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was reading apparently, I guess, 1414 01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:58.640 I don't know if this is in the book, but like their sun, 1415 01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:02.600 the light does allow for color, that's right, And so they filmed it 1416 01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:06.279 in this special way with an infrared setting, and that's how he got that 1417 01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:10.640 unique look. And I was like, and the fire rapes like that just 1418 01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:13.520 you know, within the reality of that world, their fireworks look like ink 1419 01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:20.760 blots in the sky. So neat amazing. The the guy who he fights 1420 01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:27.880 in the arena, the one guy who isn't drugged. He he he was 1421 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:30.399 like a bit player in the first film, but he was actually the fight 1422 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:34.439 trainer. So he was the one who who trained all the actors. Oh 1423 01:44:34.479 --> 01:44:38.399 really, And I was like, oh, it's cool that they gave him 1424 01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:41.840 like a like a you know, a moment, you know, I love 1425 01:44:41.880 --> 01:44:45.840 that. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna say one more thing, one more 1426 01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:49.079 thought, and then the rest is basically just praise. I see what you 1427 01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:51.359 and see if you agree with me, maybe maybe you don't agree with me. 1428 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:58.880 But it felt like almost everyone in this movie acts very very stoic and 1429 01:44:59.159 --> 01:45:03.239 Soccasionally I kind of wish I could have gotten just a little bit more inside 1430 01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:11.279 some of their heads with how they were feeling about things. And I don't 1431 01:45:11.279 --> 01:45:14.239 think this is like a you know, a terrible offender with that. I've 1432 01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:16.880 seen other movies where everyone is just so stoic and it just feels almost it's 1433 01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:19.600 too self serious, and I don't feel like it's steeped into that. But 1434 01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:23.920 occasionally I was kind of like, well, what's Paul feeling, you know, 1435 01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:28.159 like I and and I'm not saying that he has to be like, 1436 01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:31.920 you know, making wise cracks or something like well that was weird, you 1437 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:35.000 know, or anything like that or everybody saw that, right, so it 1438 01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:38.880 just happened, Yeah, exactly, not like a Marvel movie, you know, 1439 01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:41.279 like those kind of cracks, Like I definitely not asking for that, 1440 01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.399 but like I do every now and then, like when he was in the 1441 01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:47.479 tent with Jawny. I was sort of like, I kind of wanted a 1442 01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:50.640 little bit of a so what are you thinking about? You know, like 1443 01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:55.119 I was a little unclear about how he felt about the whole messiah thing, 1444 01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:59.159 because it felt like he knew that he could use the fact that people thought 1445 01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:03.560 he was a messiah to his advantage in some ways, but he's also capable 1446 01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:08.439 of amazing things, you know, And I'm just I wouldn't mind it getting 1447 01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:12.920 in his head about how he feels about all this stuff. And I know 1448 01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:16.199 there was an interview that was kind of going around where Villeneuev was saying, 1449 01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:20.479 oh, he doesn't like dialogue. He doesn't like dialogue, And I think 1450 01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:26.319 I appreciate the principle of that because a lot of times in movies people do 1451 01:46:26.359 --> 01:46:30.079 speak speaking of Madame Webb, you know, where she has to tell us 1452 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:31.960 every single thing she's thinking when it's so obvious, and you know, it's 1453 01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:39.640 well Or or Brian the the David Lynch Dune, Yeah, what we're Yeah, 1454 01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:41.640 I mean, it's not enough for them to say what they're thinking. 1455 01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:43.720 We also have to hear what they're thinking. In that movie, yeah, 1456 01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:48.239 exactly. Yeah, And so I appreciate that principle, and I do think 1457 01:46:48.319 --> 01:46:53.079 less is more, But at the same time, I do think I was 1458 01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:57.319 occasionally wishing I could understand a little bit more get inside some of some of 1459 01:46:57.319 --> 01:47:02.279 the characters heads so well. I think that the through line for Paul is 1460 01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:11.439 he he does not want the mantle that's being put on him because he doesn't 1461 01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:16.840 feel that it's his mantle. What what prompts him to take it on is 1462 01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:24.319 the dream he has where he sees Johnny dying. And so this is very 1463 01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:30.159 Anakin Skywalker, rightly. I mean, that's that's definitely like man this and 1464 01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:33.640 and it's realized in such a in just such an effective way. This idea 1465 01:47:33.640 --> 01:47:39.800 of like somebody with good intentions can end up in you know, causing a 1466 01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:43.960 lot of harm, and and how do we get to that place? I 1467 01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:48.439 don't disagree with you entirely. I will say that that, at least on 1468 01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:54.720 a certainly after second a second viewing, I felt like I pretty well tracked 1469 01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:56.840 her that you might find that to be the case at the next time you 1470 01:47:56.880 --> 01:48:00.760 see it. I was just gonna say, I have a feeling and obviously 1471 01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:02.439 this movie is a wavelength, you know, and I don't feel like every 1472 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:05.439 movie should be the same wavelength, and so I think I do want to 1473 01:48:05.439 --> 01:48:10.319 see this again, and I have I wonder if I rewatch it, if 1474 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:13.960 I will pick up on things that I missed, you know, getting more 1475 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:16.319 in tune with its wavelength and yeah, like, oh no, this was 1476 01:48:16.399 --> 01:48:20.000 expressed in its way. So I'm looking forward to seeing that. But on 1477 01:48:20.039 --> 01:48:24.720 that note, i'd also like to I want to compliment Zendia because I feel 1478 01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:29.279 like I totally tracked with her in this movie, and I love I thought 1479 01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:31.920 she did a great job of being sort of skeptical about the way that the 1480 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:38.800 Fremen felt about Paul, but also loving him, and then that the whole 1481 01:48:38.840 --> 01:48:41.239 thing at the end where he's like, Okay, I'm going to marry this 1482 01:48:41.319 --> 01:48:46.000 princess, you know, and he's just so matter of fact about like what 1483 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:49.000 he has to do to accomplish whatever he's got to do. And I love 1484 01:48:49.079 --> 01:48:53.560 the way she played that, you know, like she didn't make a stink, 1485 01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:59.159 but she definitely had a effing kidding me on her face and I thought 1486 01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:02.479 that was really well done. Yeah, And and that's actually one of the 1487 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:08.720 big changes that villain Neuve made with this one, is that Channi. In 1488 01:49:09.079 --> 01:49:14.479 both of the previous versions, she's she's on board with whatever Paul does. 1489 01:49:15.239 --> 01:49:19.359 And I think that's an interesting thing, right, because because we as the 1490 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:25.520 audience need a we need a compass to let us know, wait a minute, 1491 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:30.840 this is wrong, you know, and and the the the book and 1492 01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:34.399 the previous adaptations kind of lose sight of that a little bit. And and 1493 01:49:34.479 --> 01:49:39.560 I think I think that's why Herbert was moved to write the later books, 1494 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:43.279 because I think he was like, wait, people aren't getting what I intended, 1495 01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:49.880 you know, right, because you know, uh, Gurney, he 1496 01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:57.159 knew Paul before before Iracus. But he goes along with the messianic crusade, 1497 01:49:57.239 --> 01:50:00.359 right, everybody goes along with it, right, right, We'll get to 1498 01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:06.199 still Gar. He really goes along with it. It's been so great to 1499 01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:10.840 see that. But but Channi, by by having her be like, wait 1500 01:50:10.840 --> 01:50:15.079 a minute, this is screwed up, Like there she is among the group 1501 01:50:15.199 --> 01:50:20.880 that is being you know, manipulated, and by allowing her to give voice 1502 01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:26.800 to that, I think I think that that changes the direction of the story. 1503 01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:30.840 And I think that's what's interesting to me because because and even in the 1504 01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:32.239 Lynch film they filmed it, they didn't. They didn't include it. But 1505 01:50:32.279 --> 01:50:36.199 it's like, yes, I'm gonna marry the princess, but Channie will be 1506 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:42.119 my concubine. And there we go. Right, So that's like Archie being 1507 01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:45.720 like I'm gonna marry Betty, but I'm gonna sleep with Veronica. There I've 1508 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:50.479 solved the problem, you know. And and I think rightly, Channie would 1509 01:50:50.479 --> 01:50:54.600 probably not be okay with that, So I think I think it's smart that 1510 01:50:54.680 --> 01:50:58.199 he adjusted the story. But again, the key thing is by having her 1511 01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:04.279 remain morally consistent, it puts the audience on her side. Mm hm. 1512 01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:06.920 And we're like, I don't think when the movie ends, we're like, 1513 01:51:08.039 --> 01:51:10.960 right on, holy war. I don't think that's your reaction. I hope 1514 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:14.439 not, you know, right, right right, And at least partly because 1515 01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:19.239 because we see how how Channi's reacting to it. You know, Another big 1516 01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:25.039 change that was made is the character of Alia, who is you know, 1517 01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:28.239 she's the little girl played by Alicia witt In in the earlier film, so 1518 01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:34.159 she she only exists as a as a fetus. Basically if when we watched 1519 01:51:34.279 --> 01:51:41.760 the Lynch one, and yeah, basically we see like this fetus. You 1520 01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:44.359 know. I was just like, whoa, that's so lynch Man. And 1521 01:51:44.399 --> 01:51:47.239 then in this one here we get a fetus. Yeah, that's right. 1522 01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:49.800 Actually, in my seat was kind of like, well, I'll be darned. 1523 01:51:51.439 --> 01:51:55.000 But it's interesting because I think villa Eneuve was like, you know what 1524 01:51:55.079 --> 01:51:58.319 if we have like a little toddler talking like an old lady, I think 1525 01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:01.359 people aren't gonna like you are going to Yeah, and I exactly. I 1526 01:52:01.399 --> 01:52:06.880 think it was a smart choice where essentially he has Alia talking through Jessica h 1527 01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:13.079 and that's so much sectomach and it's just like she wonders why you're thinking this, 1528 01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:15.479 you know, like, and it's like, oh, I can wrap 1529 01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:17.119 my head around that. I think most people. Yeah. Well, and 1530 01:52:17.479 --> 01:52:21.399 I would say even like those moments where Jessica gets like super dark, I 1531 01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:27.520 feel like that's probably Alia talking through her. Mmmm. You know that's my 1532 01:52:28.319 --> 01:52:30.800 sense. You know, I could be wrong. We do get a glimpse 1533 01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:34.079 of her played by Annia Taylor Joy, so if they do end up doing 1534 01:52:34.119 --> 01:52:38.800 the next one, we know that presumably she'll be back playing the adult version 1535 01:52:38.840 --> 01:52:42.720 of Alia. But I think that was a smart choice for for the reason 1536 01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:45.239 that I just said, but also you know, in the book and the 1537 01:52:45.239 --> 01:52:50.000 previous versions it's Alia who kills the baron, and I think giving that beat 1538 01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:55.680 to Paul was probably a good idea just in terms of the narrative. Mm 1539 01:52:55.720 --> 01:52:59.800 hmm, sure, you know, I think I think that made sense. 1540 01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:02.800 We're all revenge for his father. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know. 1541 01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:10.560 Now that being said, we get Christopher Walking as the Emperor. And 1542 01:53:10.600 --> 01:53:13.600 it's funny because as soon as I heard he was cast, I was like, 1543 01:53:13.720 --> 01:53:17.399 the spies must flow, you know, and he's kinda is that basically 1544 01:53:17.479 --> 01:53:21.319 in the movie? Right? That's there's Actually I saw a headline at vulture 1545 01:53:21.359 --> 01:53:26.319 dot Com that said, does Christopher Walkin know he's in a Dune movie? 1546 01:53:27.520 --> 01:53:30.479 I mean it really it feels like they feel. It feels like Bowfinger where 1547 01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:34.760 they kind of filmed Eddie Murphy without his knowledge. You know, it did 1548 01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:39.319 feel like that right a little bit. You know. I I'm sort of 1549 01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:41.920 of two minds of it. I mean, it's impossible, like I didn't 1550 01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:44.600 mind it, but no, you know, I was gonna say, it's 1551 01:53:44.640 --> 01:53:48.119 impossible to separate Christopher Walking from anything he's playing. I think these days, 1552 01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:54.560 because he's become like the go to person who gets impersonated and at the same 1553 01:53:54.640 --> 01:54:02.239 time. Whatever sort of uniqueness and cookiness we immediately identify with Walkin is instantly 1554 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:08.319 applied to a character we otherwise don't know a lot about who is the Emperor 1555 01:54:08.399 --> 01:54:13.479 of the universe. So without a lot of information from the movie, we 1556 01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:17.960 can immediately go, oh, okay, so this guy stands apart, He's 1557 01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:25.199 immediately an interesting figure. I think you're probably right. You know, by 1558 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.520 the way, this is a fun fact. I had meant to mention this 1559 01:54:27.560 --> 01:54:30.199 in our Dune eighty four commentary. Did you know that Charlotte Rampling, who 1560 01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:34.800 plays the Reverend Mother who for the Emperor, she was offered the part of 1561 01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:41.039 Jessica in that eighty four version. Oh, I didn't know that. So 1562 01:54:41.119 --> 01:54:45.359 full circle here we are. There's a bit at the very end, or 1563 01:54:45.439 --> 01:54:47.880 near the end, where the Reverend Mother and Jessica are talking to each other 1564 01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:53.520 using their telepath powers. I don't know if this was intentional or not, 1565 01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:56.760 but it felt to me like a little nod to the David Lynch movie with 1566 01:54:56.800 --> 01:55:00.159 all the oh that's all you know, I love it, uh, because 1567 01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:03.239 I mean, we don't. We don't see that power among the Benijeesa in 1568 01:55:03.279 --> 01:55:05.880 any other part of the movie. You know, Yeah, that's good. 1569 01:55:05.920 --> 01:55:09.720 That's a good point. I love that stuff. I love I don't know. 1570 01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:12.760 I love all the way that they communicated here. I love the telepathy 1571 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:16.319 or whatever. I love like sign wage. It's so cool. Yeah, 1572 01:55:16.319 --> 01:55:19.000 it's just it just feels like such a lived in world, you know. 1573 01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:21.800 It's just that's the that's the key thing, right, And that's why I 1574 01:55:21.840 --> 01:55:26.520 make the comparison to Lord of the Rings and even Star Wars, you know, 1575 01:55:26.600 --> 01:55:29.640 I mean, you really like it. It took the time to build 1576 01:55:29.680 --> 01:55:33.359 it out, to really give us a sense of what's what what things are 1577 01:55:33.560 --> 01:55:36.520 like in the in the in the DO universe, and I think that's what 1578 01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:41.920 allows the culmination of the story to really pay off. You know. I 1579 01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:46.920 think that that action sequence earlier on where it's it's Shawnny and Paul are attacking 1580 01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:50.640 like this harvester and you know, they got like rocket launchers here, and 1581 01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:55.079 he got like the ornithopters here and everything. I mean, it's it's it's 1582 01:55:55.159 --> 01:56:01.479 this masterpiece of scale and emerging of did and practical and yet it all like 1583 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:05.680 you're able to follow it right totally. And I think part of that is 1584 01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:10.960 because the world's rules have been established well enough where you're able to sort of 1585 01:56:11.039 --> 01:56:15.239 keep track of things, you know, mm hmm. Now we were talking 1586 01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:20.239 about Stillgar earlier. Again, I loved Javeo Bradam and this is great and 1587 01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:26.079 I think the car it's such an interesting character, right because it's it's a 1588 01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:33.359 commentary. The film is a commentary on on on what faith does to you, 1589 01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:39.920 right, and and it's it's funny because because to me, like there 1590 01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:42.439 is this you know, we're seeing the memes where people it's it's almost like 1591 01:56:42.439 --> 01:56:44.960 people like laughing at Stilgar, you know what I mean a little bit. 1592 01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:49.319 And I'm like, but but he's so sincere in his beliefs. M h 1593 01:56:49.960 --> 01:56:53.880 and he almost feel I don't know, this is me. I feel bad, 1594 01:56:55.720 --> 01:57:00.279 like knowing how those beliefs are being moved this that does that make sense? 1595 01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:05.439 Absolutely? Yeah, I mean yeah, there's something so sincere about him 1596 01:57:05.560 --> 01:57:09.880 exactly, and you like admire that because that's such a rare quality in people. 1597 01:57:10.079 --> 01:57:14.079 And I mean now this whole thing that he the prophecy or whatever it 1598 01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:16.159 is that he is saying as it is written, I mean this was put 1599 01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:20.960 into place by the Bena jesureit right, by the Benagest. It's all manipulation, 1600 01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:27.680 right, you know, I mean that's the thing, right, It's 1601 01:57:27.520 --> 01:57:30.159 that That's what Johnnie says, right, is this prophecy is being used to 1602 01:57:30.199 --> 01:57:38.199 manipulate you or to enslave you, I think she says. And and yet 1603 01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:44.039 you know, like Stilgar is a good person, so it gets into this 1604 01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:48.319 whole, this whole notion of well he's a good person, but he believes 1605 01:57:48.319 --> 01:57:51.479 in this thing that has been concocted. So is that does that make him 1606 01:57:53.359 --> 01:57:56.359 stupid? Does it? You know, like it's complicated, you know, 1607 01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:00.199 yeah, well, and then you judge extra harshly the people then like Paul, 1608 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:06.000 who are then manipulating people who know that this has been manufactured. And 1609 01:58:06.039 --> 01:58:10.039 it's like why I can use this to my ends, you know, yeah, 1610 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:12.600 it's I love it. I love that this isn't just a Star Wars 1611 01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:15.600 re tread, you know what I mean? Well, obviously, I know 1612 01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:17.000 that's a really weird statement because this came before Star Wars. I want to 1613 01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:19.920 acknowledge that, but I just going to the movies in twenty twenty four. 1614 01:58:20.239 --> 01:58:24.760 I love I want Star Wars to be Star Wars, and I want another 1615 01:58:24.800 --> 01:58:27.920 space movie to be something completely different. And I love that this is just 1616 01:58:28.039 --> 01:58:31.960 has a whole different sort of soul to it, you know. Yeah. 1617 01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:33.800 Well, and speaking of Star Wars, by the way, I mean, 1618 01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:40.920 it's impossible not to see the Baron as Jaba the Hut. Yeah, sure, 1619 01:58:41.119 --> 01:58:43.800 yeah. And I was actually thinking, I was like, I wonder 1620 01:58:43.880 --> 01:58:48.319 if Jaba was inspired by the Baron. I wonder. Yeah, not having 1621 01:58:48.359 --> 01:58:51.000 read the books, I don't know, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't be 1622 01:58:51.039 --> 01:58:57.279 surprised by that, you know. Yeah, other things that jumped out at 1623 01:58:57.319 --> 01:59:01.600 me. I this is a random thought, but it feels like those thumpers. 1624 01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:05.000 It's like uberpool. That's what it feels like to me. It's like 1625 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:11.119 pulling out your app Dude, that's hilarious, you know. And I was 1626 01:59:11.159 --> 01:59:14.520 wondering too, like what happens to those things? They just I thought, 1627 01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:16.000 you know, do you pick it back up? Or it seems like they 1628 01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:18.239 just leave them behind? Its like, is the desert just littered with these 1629 01:59:18.239 --> 01:59:23.760 things? Well if if if you are using a thumper to summon a worm, 1630 01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:28.199 then that thumper will likely be swallowed up by the worm too. Chee 1631 01:59:29.079 --> 01:59:32.600 right to sha. So the thumper companies, I mean, that's a you 1632 01:59:32.640 --> 01:59:35.960 want to buy their stock because they're not going in the universe. Yeah, 1633 01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:43.640 Big Thumper is right up there with the Guild Navigators. Yeah, it was 1634 01:59:43.680 --> 01:59:45.520 a smart choice not to show the big Guild Navigators. By the way, 1635 01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:48.800 I think that was a smart choice. I wondered actually going in. I 1636 01:59:48.880 --> 01:59:51.079 wondered if we were going to get a glimpse of them, having just seen 1637 01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:56.479 the Lynch one. Yeah, I agree. I don't know how you show 1638 01:59:56.520 --> 02:00:00.399 them and not have it be well, who knows. But I was gonna 1639 02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:02.359 say, like a bridge too far, But I don't know. Yeah, 1640 02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:06.920 I think we'll probably get there eventually, because I think even in the books 1641 02:00:06.920 --> 02:00:12.640 they didn't show up until the the second one. I believe so so. 1642 02:00:12.920 --> 02:00:15.840 But I think by the time you get to movie three, I think people 1643 02:00:15.960 --> 02:00:19.279 audiences will be a little bit more acclimated into the world totally. And also 1644 02:00:19.319 --> 02:00:24.880 I think I'm thinking, how are they going to do the version of Lynch's 1645 02:00:25.359 --> 02:00:28.279 you know, creatures, And it's like, well, they probably won't. 1646 02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:31.720 You know, they probably will not have giant vagina faced monsters, will not 1647 02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:40.479 be exactly on the agenda. One presumes, yeah, one presumes other things. 1648 02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:47.359 Other things that jumped out at you. Florence Pugh Princess Rulin Rulian irulan 1649 02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:55.479 is how I pronounced it. She I mean for such. You know, 1650 02:00:55.520 --> 02:00:58.560 it's funny in the in the past two years between Oppenheimer and this movie, 1651 02:00:58.600 --> 02:01:00.560 as big an actress says she is, she's playing these sort of smaller roles, 1652 02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:03.600 but because it's her, they really pop, you know, like if 1653 02:01:03.600 --> 02:01:08.439 you yeah, I don't know that the princess would have popped as strongly in 1654 02:01:08.520 --> 02:01:14.319 this if it hadn't been someone we had recognized. But she has an interesting 1655 02:01:14.399 --> 02:01:17.039 role, and I think in whatever sequels they make, she will, I 1656 02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:21.840 guess have a much bigger role, right, Yeah, it's certainly in the 1657 02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:26.560 next book, Like you know, Villeneuve has said that he wants to at 1658 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:30.720 least come back and do you know the second book, which would be the 1659 02:01:30.760 --> 02:01:35.000 third film to kind of wrap up Paul's story. And yeah, if that's 1660 02:01:35.039 --> 02:01:40.840 the case, the princess has has a pretty big, big role to play 1661 02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:45.119 in that one. But it's interesting because because you know, they've kind of 1662 02:01:45.399 --> 02:01:49.319 changed the trajectory a little bit by virtue of where they leave Channi at the 1663 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:54.000 end of this one. So I'm actually very curious, like how how things 1664 02:01:54.159 --> 02:01:59.359 move from here, you know, well, if in sequels she eventually is 1665 02:01:59.439 --> 02:02:02.319 okay of everything that comes to understand and support Paul, I could see getting 1666 02:02:02.319 --> 02:02:04.680 there. But I think it makes sense if you're going to end the movie 1667 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:10.720 where it ends, I don't think many audiences would support that. I think 1668 02:02:10.760 --> 02:02:12.920 that would turn a lot of people off. And so I think it makes 1669 02:02:12.960 --> 02:02:19.000 sense to show a natural human reaction to learning of the news, and then 1670 02:02:19.159 --> 02:02:21.920 you know, you have a whole movie to show how she could come around 1671 02:02:21.960 --> 02:02:28.680 to whatever Paul's plan is, right, right, Yeah, it's I think 1672 02:02:28.720 --> 02:02:32.600 that's really the thing, right because because the story itself is really it's showing 1673 02:02:32.720 --> 02:02:44.159 how, you know, cruelty creates cruelty creates zelotry, and then you know, 1674 02:02:44.199 --> 02:02:48.239 it becomes sort of a rolling stone that gathered, you know, eventually 1675 02:02:48.319 --> 02:02:53.159 turns into a boulder, you know, And I think that's really you know, 1676 02:02:53.560 --> 02:02:56.880 I mean, this is me right as I'm watching and I'm seeing the 1677 02:02:56.920 --> 02:03:00.920 hearken and is just laying waste to Seech to Barrow. I can't help but 1678 02:03:00.960 --> 02:03:05.279 think about Gaza and what's happening over there. And obviously this is not the 1679 02:03:05.279 --> 02:03:10.600 intention of the filmmakers, but this is sort of what what films can do 1680 02:03:10.760 --> 02:03:15.079 you know, uh, they can speak to these historic moments, and there 1681 02:03:15.119 --> 02:03:17.560 is some there is, uh, you know, a truism about humanity, 1682 02:03:17.600 --> 02:03:23.359 which is that when we fit and when we inflict cruelty on others, what 1683 02:03:23.399 --> 02:03:25.960 do we think is going to happen in response? And it just it doesn't 1684 02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:28.439 It will never stop. When are we going to learn? You know? 1685 02:03:28.880 --> 02:03:32.640 Right? Right? And I think stories like this have the capacity to shine 1686 02:03:32.640 --> 02:03:38.399 a light on that hopefully maybe I don't know, mm hmmm hm. I 1687 02:03:38.399 --> 02:03:44.520 mean obviously not trying to get too political, but but you know, how 1688 02:03:44.520 --> 02:03:47.199 can we we not show empathy towards other people? You know? Yeah? 1689 02:03:47.239 --> 02:03:51.520 And don't you love stories that that force you to make those comparisons and think 1690 02:03:51.560 --> 02:03:56.760 about those things? And you know, I love that. I love it. 1691 02:03:56.800 --> 02:04:00.000 And it's you know, coming from a book that's many decades old, 1692 02:04:00.359 --> 02:04:03.600 you know, and it's just they're still it's it's the best science fiction, 1693 02:04:03.720 --> 02:04:06.960 right. I absolutely agree. And and I think by the way, that 1694 02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:11.760 that's that's why I feel like VILLAINU have kind of just got away with something 1695 02:04:11.800 --> 02:04:16.600 here, honestly while while no one was paying attention, you know, right, 1696 02:04:17.479 --> 02:04:21.960 And and if they do end up doing a third one, I hope 1697 02:04:23.000 --> 02:04:26.920 to God that Warner Brothers just leaves him alone and lets him do his thing. 1698 02:04:27.520 --> 02:04:32.399 Yep. Yeah, there's even this this television series right that that's supposed 1699 02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:38.680 to be coming out or it's like a streaming series, which one it's called 1700 02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:44.920 Dune Prophecy. You haven't heard of this, No, yeah, it's it 1701 02:04:45.439 --> 02:04:49.920 was originally called The Sisterhood, but now it's called Prophecy, and it's going 1702 02:04:50.000 --> 02:04:54.800 to be late this year. It's going to be late this year, and 1703 02:04:54.840 --> 02:05:00.319 it says here it's set ten thousand years before the events of Dune. The 1704 02:05:00.359 --> 02:05:04.880 series follows sisters Vallia and Tula Harken and as they combat forces that threaten the 1705 02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:12.560 future of humankind and establish the fabled sect known as the Bennajezrat Mark Strong, 1706 02:05:15.520 --> 02:05:23.439 Okay, yeah, you Williams. Wow. So Warner Brothers is Warner Brothers, 1707 02:05:23.439 --> 02:05:27.800 no doubt, hoping for for Star Wars, you know, level of 1708 02:05:28.439 --> 02:05:31.800 universe building, you know, yeah, yeah, Well, and that's it. 1709 02:05:31.760 --> 02:05:34.239 There's just so much going on. I mean, even the the Leah 1710 02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:39.640 se Do character, you know, and they're like, yeah, like you 1711 02:05:39.680 --> 02:05:44.960 know, we're creating a backup, you know, like we're backing up Austin 1712 02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:48.520 Butler's DNA or whatever in case we need. Like, it's just so much 1713 02:05:48.960 --> 02:05:53.199 going on, and I just it feels like a book in that way, 1714 02:05:53.239 --> 02:05:57.159 you know, it just feels like absolutely a lot of a text. And 1715 02:05:57.880 --> 02:06:00.479 honestly, I had not felt compelled to read these books before, but after 1716 02:06:00.640 --> 02:06:03.119 this movie, I was like, no, I'm I'm in and I want 1717 02:06:03.119 --> 02:06:06.079 to keep going with this story. And it made me go to Amazon and 1718 02:06:06.159 --> 02:06:11.520 order the first three books. So well, and to that point, you 1719 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:15.039 know, last time I saw you, I showed you some clips from the 1720 02:06:15.119 --> 02:06:17.840 sci fi Children of Doing miniseries which kind of shows a little bit about what 1721 02:06:17.880 --> 02:06:20.520 happens to Paul Efforts. I don't know about you, but I'm like, 1722 02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:25.159 knowing that that's sort of the trajectory of the character, I'm like, well, 1723 02:06:25.199 --> 02:06:27.680 I want to see that. I want to get there. No, 1724 02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:31.079 that was a big part also, I think again, I mean, rewatching 1725 02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:33.399 the part one, I was like, yeah, I enjoy this, bring 1726 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:38.279 on part two. But then watching the Lynch one and getting a few more 1727 02:06:38.279 --> 02:06:41.920 details and then having you show me those clips of like what happens in the 1728 02:06:41.960 --> 02:06:45.920 story way down the line, I'm I'm invested in this now, like I 1729 02:06:45.960 --> 02:06:48.800 really do enjoy this universe and where it's all going, and I want to 1730 02:06:49.079 --> 02:06:53.439 take that ride. So well, there we go. I think, I 1731 02:06:53.479 --> 02:06:57.760 think, what greater praise is there than that. I would think Denny Villeneuve 1732 02:06:57.800 --> 02:07:03.600 would be ecstatic to hear that. Yeah. Well, I I'm excited about 1733 02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:05.920 him as a filmmaker. I've loved him for a long time. I mean 1734 02:07:05.960 --> 02:07:15.359 Going Prisoners and the one with Cicario of course, Arrival, Arrival. Yeah. 1735 02:07:15.439 --> 02:07:18.439 So, but now he's becoming sort of a Nolan esque person for me, 1736 02:07:18.439 --> 02:07:23.560 where I'm like, this guy knows how to wield big movies. I 1737 02:07:24.119 --> 02:07:27.119 was gonna make that comparison yet, I mean, that's what Nolan had a 1738 02:07:27.159 --> 02:07:29.520 quote a couple of weeks ago, right where he's like, I'm going to 1739 02:07:29.560 --> 02:07:33.920 continue making big movies because that is a privilege that I now have. I 1740 02:07:34.000 --> 02:07:39.720 can do that, and so it's up to me then to do that well 1741 02:07:39.800 --> 02:07:44.479 right. And I feel like Villanuev is one of those people now too, 1742 02:07:44.520 --> 02:07:46.800 and I just look forward to he can work on this scale, he can 1743 02:07:46.840 --> 02:07:50.239 work with these budgets, and in the day and age where we've seen everything, 1744 02:07:50.239 --> 02:07:54.119 he can still make me feel like I'm seeing something new. I'm excited 1745 02:07:54.119 --> 02:08:00.880 about that. Well, and and you know you're talking about Christopher Nolan. 1746 02:08:00.960 --> 02:08:05.640 Obviously he was. He was blown away by this movie. Oh I haven't 1747 02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:09.000 seen. Yeah, he has a quote he says for me. I don't 1748 02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:13.279 think it says too much to say that if June Part one was Star Wars, 1749 02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:16.600 this to me is very much the Empire strikes Back, which is my 1750 02:08:16.640 --> 02:08:20.079 favorite of the Star Wars films. I just think it's an incredibly exciting expansion 1751 02:08:20.119 --> 02:08:26.479 of all of the things you introduced in the first one. Wow. High 1752 02:08:26.520 --> 02:08:28.239 praise, high praise. And you know, I will say, though, 1753 02:08:28.279 --> 02:08:33.680 that reminds me. When it ended. My brother turned to me and he's 1754 02:08:33.720 --> 02:08:37.920 like, oh, so they're not done, you know, And having not 1755 02:08:37.960 --> 02:08:41.720 read the book, I thought, I don't actually, I don't know if 1756 02:08:41.720 --> 02:08:45.479 this is where the book ends, because it does feel sure Empire strikes back, 1757 02:08:45.560 --> 02:08:48.239 ye, you know, where like there's still conflict and they're still like, 1758 02:08:48.279 --> 02:08:52.199 well, well now what And I went to Wipedia. Turns out it 1759 02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:56.439 is where the book ends. And but I love it, Like you said, 1760 02:08:56.119 --> 02:09:01.960 it's there, that's the book. Yeah, And hopefully though, we'll 1761 02:09:01.000 --> 02:09:05.079 we'll get to see a sequel that that does the next book, because as 1762 02:09:05.119 --> 02:09:07.960 you told me. I mean, these go on for several more books that 1763 02:09:07.119 --> 02:09:11.600 span thousands of years, so there's a lot more there's a lot more story 1764 02:09:11.720 --> 02:09:16.279 and and the you know, the interesting thing is that the next book picks 1765 02:09:16.359 --> 02:09:20.359 up, uh, you know, about a decade or so later, so 1766 02:09:20.399 --> 02:09:26.560 like the war has happened in between. Mmm. Oh okay, and and 1767 02:09:26.600 --> 02:09:28.640 that's something I wonder about, like like by the time, sorry, I 1768 02:09:28.640 --> 02:09:33.680 don't think this constitution is spoiler. When we come in Paul is the emperor 1769 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:37.600 of the universe. Oh wow, okay, that's book two, right, 1770 02:09:37.399 --> 02:09:43.640 And so my question is is that a choice that Villeneuve was gonna make or 1771 02:09:43.680 --> 02:09:46.000 will he want it? You know what I mean? Will he maybe maybe 1772 02:09:46.359 --> 02:09:50.439 tackle the very end of the war so that we see him ascend to the 1773 02:09:50.439 --> 02:09:52.720 throne? I don't know, you know, but but it if if you 1774 02:09:52.840 --> 02:09:58.039 think of if we think of Dune as a Godfather part one, into think 1775 02:09:58.079 --> 02:10:05.760 of Dune Massa as the Godfather part three, where Michael Corleone comes to term 1776 02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:11.760 with everything that has happened in his name, you know, right right? 1777 02:10:11.800 --> 02:10:16.640 And to me, that's again that's what's interesting, and it seems like that's 1778 02:10:16.640 --> 02:10:20.520 where his muse is as well, Villeneus. So I'm I'm excited to see 1779 02:10:20.560 --> 02:10:24.560 what happens next. Yeah, yeah, bring it. I mean, I'm 1780 02:10:24.600 --> 02:10:28.039 ready to go watch this one again because I know I'm probably gonna glean so 1781 02:10:28.119 --> 02:10:33.199 much more on second viewing. And then yeah, I as soon as he's 1782 02:10:33.239 --> 02:10:35.800 ready, I'm ready for number three. Well, there we go. I 1783 02:10:35.800 --> 02:10:41.039 think that's a good place to leave this conversation. Yeah. If if y'all 1784 02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:46.840 listening have affirmations or disinclinations based on what we say, please let us know. 1785 02:10:46.880 --> 02:10:48.439 You can email us at Moviefilm Podcast at gmail dot com. You can 1786 02:10:48.439 --> 02:10:52.520 also hit like on our Facebook page Facebook dot com slash Movie Film Podcast and 1787 02:10:52.600 --> 02:10:56.920 message us there. If as always, please go to Apple Podcasts and leave 1788 02:10:56.960 --> 02:11:01.640 review, leave a star rating. Every little bit helps. We really would 1789 02:11:01.720 --> 02:11:03.199 love getting those reviews, So if you're able to do that, that would 1790 02:11:03.199 --> 02:11:07.039 be fantastic. If you're looking for me online, you can find me on 1791 02:11:07.079 --> 02:11:11.439 social media at Zachie's Corner pretty much at most major social media places there, 1792 02:11:11.479 --> 02:11:13.039 you can reach me there. What about you, Brian, what do you 1793 02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:18.800 have going on? I think I mentioned a couple of weeks ago new episodes 1794 02:11:18.840 --> 02:11:22.319 of Young Jedi Adventures dropped on Disney Plus and it also airs on Disney Junior. 1795 02:11:22.560 --> 02:11:26.720 And I've had people reaching out to me telling me how much their kids 1796 02:11:26.760 --> 02:11:30.920 are enjoying them, and so that's been really exciting for me, and I'm 1797 02:11:30.960 --> 02:11:35.880 just thrilled to plug those. Also look for my interview with Aquafina at the 1798 02:11:35.039 --> 02:11:39.239 San Francisco Chronicle. I talked to her about being the Grand Marshal of the 1799 02:11:39.359 --> 02:11:43.079 Chinese New Year's Day Parade in San Francisco and about her role in Kung Fu 1800 02:11:43.159 --> 02:11:48.119 Panda, So you can check that out over there. But with that on 1801 02:11:48.199 --> 02:11:50.760 behalf of my partner Brian Hall. My name is Zachie Hasna. This has 1802 02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:52.159 been Movie Film two eighty six. We will catch you next time. Thanks 1803 02:11:52.159 --> 02:12:03.680 everybody, welcome friends podcasts still joyed to show back again. Right here they're 1804 02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:07.239 talking bout for briefing next morning now, Mark, that's on the pad.