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What is going on? Clippers fans, welcome to I guess bonus live hag

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talking the fall potential fallout. I
guess the old b huh, yes,

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exactly. We're talking the potential fallout
from this Dame Lillard trade as well as

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the the Laurence Frank, I don't
pretty chill press conference. Nothing super new.

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I don't know. I'll take it. Yeah, no news, I

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guess is good news, right.
I think in a situation like this where

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a lot of us didn't know there
was going to be a press conference today,

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just started to fear the worst with
the way things have gone with injuries

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in this team. But h yeah, it was all on the positive side.

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But it's good to be in here. Chuck, I know you don't

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have will today, but we'll manage
Buzzy. We can still drop a few

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nicknames here and there. I got
my new Organs duck hat on. This

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is Puddles. If he didn't know, that's not Donal anymore. Okay,

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but everyone was worried about this,
so it's good that you're clearing the air

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on the new hat. They were
they were concerned about Colorado. No concern

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here, said, They went by
forty and they did put Dion in his

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place, even though I do like
Dion Sanders a lot. But it was

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a fun game about Saturday. You
guys, listen to the last episode.

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I was wearing the Yellow Ducks hat. We did just get word. I

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invited Joseph to the live hang just
Joseph Ranward, former Clippers beat person.

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He's Fagnacy retired. He cannot make
it. U shame, but he says,

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please tell everyone if they don't trade
for Drew, they're pathetic. So

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we'll talk about that possibility. Do
you want to talk to Lawrence Frank pressor

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first? Or do you want to
talk to Drew holiday stuff? Because there

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was some good news and the Lawrence
stuff, but you know some more interesting

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I guess with the Drew stuff.
Uh, all right, let's start with

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Lauren because it's more Clippers central here. You saw it from Joey Lynn earlier

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today. The press conference is going
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Tilmare Azarrely's feed as well. He
Joey Lynn, law Murray were the guys

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I was using for a reference point. But I know one of the first

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things that was asked, of course, was about the health of Kawhi Leonard

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and Paul George, and he said
they are both fully healthy, which is,

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thank god, great news heading into
training camp. So at this point,

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at least, it doesn't sound like
there's going to be many restrictions on

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them heading into training camps. So
you can build up some of that chemistry

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with a few of the new guys. Yeah, going to be there,

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and maybe there'll be another guy who
knows what could be happening in the next

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seven days or so. I guess
we only have a few days before Monday

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and that media day and all that, but before the first preseason game,

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which is on October eighth in Hawaii. So great news, feel great about

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it. I didn't really you know, as you mentioned, when I saw

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the press conference tweet, I was
like, Okay, this could be catastrophic

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or good. Yeah, there's some
good stuff in there. You know.

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I think Lawrence had the quote he
said he's fully healthy, so I think

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he's gonna attack everything. It's such
a shame that he got injured at the

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worst possible time. His last thirty
five games, he was on an unbelievable

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tear. Well, he didn't Game
one, and then Game two was incredible.

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He also mentioned that he dealt with
three separate injuries last year, which

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is brutal. Yeah, he's Kawhi
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season. Not a lot of talk
about PG but you know, I think,

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you know, he seems to be
fully healthy as well. I think

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the most interesting stuff, but I
thought, was the comments on the power

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forward rotation because there was a question
about Marcus Morris. Lawrence Frank said,

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Marcus Morris is gonna be ready for
camp and is super excited. He then

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Lawrence Frank was asked about Morris Betum
in Covington. If you're a Clippers fan

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watching the stream at four pm in
the middle of the week, you probably

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know that there's an issue with the
Clippers power forward rotation. If you're new

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to the team, get used to
it. But the quote was interesting.

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He said, of these three guys, there will be great competition. All

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three are really good players, all
three bring different things. Am I mistaken

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and reading into this as there's an
open there's still some who's going to play

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the four? Or is that wishful
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Okay, my guess on that is
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Toronto. Lou because he was also
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think from Joey Lynn of the possibility
of Terrence Man starting next to Russ Kawai,

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PG and Zoo. He said,
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He'll make the decisions that's best for
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gonna shake out by whatever pecking order
coach lou comes up with with the fourth

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spot. But he also spoke,
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Is it based off of what happened
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this a reset? Does Marcus Morris
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healthier? I mean he also spoke
to Obviously Marcus Morris was an attentative trade

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for Malcolm Brogden. He's gonna be
healthy now by training camp, which is

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a little what the fuck? I
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saw that. Kind of sucks.
We didn't get that trade through well,

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they wanted to get the medical records
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with Chris apsporzingis being moved too,
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But who knows. Do they circle
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At some point Lawrence Frank talked about
how you know they're always trying to

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improve the roster and make this team
better, and I think law Murray spoke

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to it recently on a one hour
show he did. I forget the publication,

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but it was on YouTube over the
last month. But basically that the

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group you see in training camp with
a group you see in the preseason or

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early in the season very likely won't
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of the year with the Clippers.
So they're constantly having roster turnover and looking

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for ways at least to improve this
team should the right guys become available to

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them. So now we get this
news earlier today with Drew Holiday, that

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could change things. Who knows what
Philly is thinking. I do want to

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go back to what he said though
about Kawhi Leonard and just how good he

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was those last three months of the
season, because I think it's been almost

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understated or has flown under the radar, just because it gets buried underneath him

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being injured again by Game two of
the playoffs, are missing the rest of

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the series. After Game two in
the first round, he was incredible,

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the run he was on may have
been the best version of why Leonard we

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have ever seen period over into the
playoffs. And I'm not hearing you,

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Chuck. I don't know why I
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because you were taking a trick.
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and that's when he started getting back
to his regular minutes, and I want

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to say it was thirty six per
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a fifty three percent from the field, forty seven percent from three, ninety

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percent from the free throw lode,
while getting towards points per game. I

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don't think he has a three months
stretch in his entire career, and we're

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talking about top seventy five player ever
that was that efficient before. So it

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bears mentioning and repeating just how good
Kawhi Leonard looked before the meniscus injury.

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And yeah, of course you're going
to have more concerns because it's the same

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right knee, it's the same right
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what happened with the San Antonio Spurs
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twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, somewhere
in that range. So it's that same

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right leg. And I'm still not
hearing to Chuck, but but I could

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read lips maybe at ro point.
Because I've said this before, it's amazing

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that Kauai keeps having these serious injuries, yet he's able to come back better

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than ever. He comes back off
the quadriceps with the Toronto Raptors, goes

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through a huge playoff run, wins
the championship. Then he comes back from

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the ACL last year and looked fabulous
the last three months once he got back

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to his regular minutes and looked better
than ever. He has become stronger and

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a better player coming back from these
injuries. But he just had another one

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to the meniscus right leg, much
more minor than obviously the ace el reconstructive

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surgery. But you wonder, at
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they start to add up, When
do they start to take their toll?

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And he loses a step instead of
taking that step forward, which is what

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we've been seeing recently with him when
he comes back from an injury. Is

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it just me not here in Chuck
now? Yeah, you gotta fix it,

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man. The people can hear me. We're hanging out a little bit,

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you know, concerned with just the
fact that he's had the same injuries

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over and over to that right leg. Chuck, you want to take it

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from here and I'll try to fix
my settings. Now. That sounds great.

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Thank you for hanging out with us
here at Clippers Podcast on YouTube.

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Thank you to the listeners for having
my back and being able to hear me.

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I appreciate that. Yeah, and
I think I think Larres Franks said

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something like he tried to he tries
to control all the controllables and he just

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had some misfortunes, which is exactly
what happened. Kawhi is a control freak.

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I mean not in a bad way. It's how he is with kind

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of everything. And I'm happy we
gotta start this season kind of in full

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control. Right. He started one
hundred percent healthy. Can you hear me

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now? Can you scotch you?
Okay? Great? And that works with

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you. I can hear you now. He's so now we're starting in a

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controlled environment, which is perfect.
I'm excited to see training camp. We're

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not gonna I don't think we're gonna
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and stuff like that. But when
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take the floor after how things we're
going and then how they ended. It's

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going to be a huge relief for
Clippers fans heading this preseason. And minds

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you, they dodged a bullet with
Paul George. When that happened against okay

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See and lou Dord, it looked
devastating. It looked like what happened to

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Nick Chubb recently with the Cleveland Browns. It looked that bad. He didn't

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get taken off on a cart,
but it looked like he was back all

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the way back, and there was
due to be some type of ligament damage

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going on with Paul George. They
absolutely you want to talk about Clippers bad

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luck all the time, Well,
they were fortunate that that wasn't some type

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of career altering injury for Paul George
when you thought he had one back in

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fourteen with Team USA with the compound
fracture, But he responded from that and

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he was just playing his best basketball
right before that happened. So there's the

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unlucky side of it. But still
the fact that we're talking about Paul George

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playing in training camp and also being
one hundred percent the night when that happened,

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I thought the two one three era
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looking at Paul George possibly out for
all of this season. I'll have to

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check my text from that night to
see if he were melting down, but

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I probably got some good ones in
there. It's melting down. Post came

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on a football stock a little bit. It looked awful, but he's had

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for as much as he's had little
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his right leg, he's kind of
had some of that rubber bands, you

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know, elasticity snap back minor injuries, but he's able to get back exactly

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where he was, and even at
the age of thirty three, he does

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a three sixty dunk in a half
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that injury. His athleticism is still
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We saw the side by side dunk
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or twenty one twenty two season,
where you put it side by side against

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his birdman dunk in the Eastern Conference
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Chris Anderson. It looked exactly the
same. It's incredible the way he's been

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able, even through all the little
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able to get to that same level. So we saw there was the Slam

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interview with PG. He was talking
about being back on his bully, which

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no one. I hate that we
can't say back on his bully shit like

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in the media because it sounds I
like what PG is saying, but back

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on his bully does not sound good. I thought Slam magazine would have allowed

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it. Maybe not on the cover, right, but it's just it's anyway.

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The Jabo's eighty four on the stream
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on his bully ish. I think
Kauhai is going to come out and absolutely,

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I mean he also needs to do
this set the tone for the Clips

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to open the season. Lawrence Frank
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today. He mentioned the Denver Nuggets
as a team that did that. The

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Denver Nuggets won games they were supposed
to win, and they played well in

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games they were supposed to win that
they won. It wasn't some weird you

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know we won by eight or something
like that. It was a game where

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it was a you know, concrete
victories against lesser teams, which is what

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the Clippers need to do. And
I like what Jabo says here, but

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I think it's gonna happen. I
think Kawhi is going to come out and

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set the league on fire to open
the season and his Kauai way. I

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think you're right because you know,
with the way that slow ramp up process

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went last season, Hugh didn't seem
happy at all with coming off the bench

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because when they talked about how that
was over, he said, no,

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when we killed that, Now we
killed that. Had some influence on them

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killing it. But you mentioned the
Denver Nuggets there, and as good as

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they were, we're talking about a
team in the regular season that was the

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number one seed that still only won
fifty three games. The number one seed

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won just fifty three games, and
they started to shut things down and kind

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of play around the last month and
a half of the season when they knew

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they pretty much had that one seed
locked up. Now, part of that

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was due to injuries and other teams
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The Grizzlies were behind them with fifty
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who had pretty much outside Demontes Sabonis
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they didn't have to deal with many
injuries at all last season. They

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still only won forty eight games.
So as much as we talked about the

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Clippers only won forty four games,
okay, yeah, but they were still

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only what nine games behind the number
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all. So it's interesting just how
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they attack it. But for the
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in their mouth from last year and
the ramp up process with Kauai, I

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agree with you. I think he
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and just looking like the dominant player
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the end of last season to start
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you said. He's starting off like
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seen because even when they brought him
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nineteen off season, he dealt with
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able to play through for Toronto and
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the training camp then he wasn't going
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to get the confirmation he's fully healthy. I'm a little I was an up

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and down presser. We haven't.
We talked a little bit about the Morris

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stuff, but no one really was
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thing, which is interesting. I
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understands it's a business. I'm like, well, he's seem pretty pissed off,

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like earlier. If that happens at
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of intervention by those up top.
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no you know, I have no
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be messy with Marcus Morris there.
I just hope every other Power Forward beats

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him in the competition for what potentially
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going to be quarrelsome or contentious with
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gonna mess with the locker room.
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office or the coaching staff. That's
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So yeah, I agree. He's
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to Marcus Morris, because they brought
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contract. They paid him after the
bubble season, and he for taking care

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of him. Yeah. Sure,
but he always said, like the Clippers

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took care of me. They took
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they still have that equity built up
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they kept their word and paid him
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acquisition in twenty twenty. It's gonna
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of battles. We've talked about this
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might have some kind of shot at
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his. Now my new goal for
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news today we have to talk about
is the Dame Lillard trade. Drew Holliday

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goes to the Blazers and they're trying
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that means for the Clippers, how
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might be on board with him.
I think we got an ad break coming

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Welcome back in clips and dip a
live edition here on YouTube because we

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get the eighties point from Chuck there. But obviously news broke about three hours

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ago. I was about to go
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my gym time. I was too
excited about this NBA news Damian. I

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just got on the treadmill so I
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the punden's talk about the Milwaukee Bucks
now acquiring Damian Lillard. So he doesn't

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go to Miami, he doesn't go
to Philly. He goes to Milwaukee,

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where he's already had a relationship with
Joannis Dennikopo. It's funny. I was

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watching NBA TV or earlier and they
played the All Star Game draft between Lebron

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and Jannie Dennik Coopo, and who
was Jannie's first pick? It was Damian

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Lillard over from back in the day
about wanting to help Jannis, like this

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has been a long time coming.
I think the only hesitation from Dame was

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and the reason he wanted to go
to Miami so bad was the Bucks have

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won recently. He wants to be
the missing piece in Miami. He wants

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to feel like he was the guy
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they were that close. Because he
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grind, taking the easy way out, using the cheek code or short cut

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like Kevin Durant did with the Golden
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thrown into that. But it's obviously, well did he did he have to

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sign off on it because I don't
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I mean, there's no way that
that organization. I don't think we talked

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about equity, you know in the
last segment. I don't think there's any

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way he's not you know, let
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like a contender. So the other
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had a pipeline to Damian Lillard.
They have a relationship. He was on

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NBA TV talking about the entire summer
as adamant and as staunchly opposed his Dame

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and his agent were to go into
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conversations with the Heat didn't go for
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they did not have some with the
trade well the Heat. It seemed like

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the Heat were like, why doesn't
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honor Dame's wishes and give him to
us for pennies on the dollar. It's

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like, well, because they have
no reason to you. They've already given

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Dame a lot of pennies on the
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isn't how this works. You're not
sister teams. Like I always thought it

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was a little bit in the wrong
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the extension with that team, you
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it too, because he couldn't get
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you don't then get to get the
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At the same time, Portland has
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the organization, not what's best for
Dame. Now he and his Asian they

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gotta do what's best for him.
So I understand it was going to be

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uncomfortable, and it was at times, but ultimately I think both sides are

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very happy with this. Portland overall, I think did very well speak I

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did too. I think the Sun's
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didn't talk about this in the last
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the Kawai and PG extensions during the
Lawrence Frank pressor. He basically said,

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like, we're going to work with
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around Kwai and PG. Didn't feel
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not going to get the MAX whereas
Kawhi Mike, because there's a new thing

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where you don't have to give someone
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could be still, that's part of
the negotiation process. You want to keep

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a good relationship with his agents and
stuff, and what you're saying, you're

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not. Lawrence Frank is too smart
to lift the curtain up and show them

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anybody what's happening in the media behind
the scenes with those negotiations. So that's

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exactly what I would expect him to
say, and I believe him that they

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do want them to question is for
what price? That's what it comes down

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to. How many years? All
right? Sorry, back to the Drew

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thing, so per woes. Now
that the Blazers have Drew Holiday, he

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said, they're gonna remain engage elsewhere
on talks and are expected to immediately engage

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contending teams on trade talks to move
Drew Holiday. Portland has committo its young

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group of talented guards. YadA,
YadA, YadA, where are we at

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on Drew Holiday? Because I'm gonna
be honest, I like this idea bringing

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Drew Holiday in it puts It probably
moves Russell Westbrook to the bench. He

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played like ninety six percent of his
minutes at the one last year. I

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don't think they'd move him to the
two because the shoot would be pretty rough

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with Drew and Russ out there.
I don't care how big of a Russ

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fan you are or a Drew fan. That's the rough shooting at the one

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and the two. But I mean
the defense Drew Holiday. Paul George Kawhi,

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Leonard Zobots, Adam Oslin, that's
a lockdown five. No disrespect to

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your on ball defense. But even
you out there is a nice is a

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pretty solid defensive lineup. Where are
you out of and Drew thing? It's

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a kind of a new fun possibility
for Clippers fans. I've always loved I've

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had an affinity for Drew Holiday,
somebody who was injury prone early on in

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his career with Philly and the Pelicans, and he's kind of put that stuff

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behind him. He was an All
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time, great locker room guy,
great leader, will do anything to win,

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while his offense at times has dipped
in the playoffs efficiency wise, and

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some people were comparison or comparing him
and Bledsoe on what he did for the

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Bucks offensively versus Drew Holiday. No
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There's a reason one of them still
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going to go to another contending team
well, And I think his offense often

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has suffered because of the energy he
expands on the defensive end and willing to

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take on and guard somebody ninety four
feet Patrick Beverly's style. We have to

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show the sorry Robert flam two and
three hoops Royalty is in the chat.

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He said the newest Clippers Marcus Morris
after a trrific offseason. Hello, Robert,

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thank you for the you know,
big shot, Bob Flom. Robert

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Flom is the original Marcus Morris hater
and he has everybody to know that he

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is. And he's not wrong for
the most part. We love you.

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ROBERTA. Holiday is one of those
guys that every team would love to have.

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Now. His contract is large this
season, but he has a player

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option next year for thirty seven million
dollars, and over the last year he's

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talked about possibly retiring sooner than later. So I think there's actually a possibility

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he would if he was seeking a
retirement in the next two years, he

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would just opt into the thirty seven
million next year. I'm sure you would

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shock. But he can help anybody
because it doesn't matter what his role is,

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he's going to excel in it.
And he can be off ball,

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he can be on ball. He
fits in the crevices so well for your

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team. He finds ways to contribute
that just leads to winning basketball. And

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it was not a fluke, and
a lot of people thought at the time

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the Bucks may have given up too
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Obviously you go on to win the
championship. It doesn't matter at that

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point as he was a big contributor. Wasn't just Chris Middleton, Wasn't just

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you, honest Dennik Coopo and Brook
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integral to that twenty twenty one Bucks
Championship teams, and I love so Law

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Murray had a great tweet to let
me see if I can find a quick

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he said, I'll say the obvious. Just about everything that made sense about

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James Harden and the Clippers connection on
off ball, positional size and versatility,

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contract number, contract, year's respect
from Star's hometown ties applies to Drew Holiday,

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which is great. I think that's
totally right. It's just James Harden

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is obviously the bigger plus offensively.
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by the way, this would be
another guy coming back home, come in

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home. It would be Drew Holiday
went to high school down here, played

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at UCLA. They'd have him.
They'd have kJ, Martin Kauhi, Paul

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George, Norman, Powell Westbrook,
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Same though with James Harden if he
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so. And now we're let's talk
how the trades are maybe work. Eric,

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we put in a trade machine idea
that does work per the rules.

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Of course, if it works per
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accept it. We all know that. He says, Adam Silver oversea all

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trade machine moves. Do you think
he'd be funny if Adam Silver's like,

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get me the trade machine report.
Every day he's said so, Mook and

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Norm the salaries work for Drew,
I don't. I don't see Portland doing

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that. I'm assuming any trade for
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Terrence Man and is probably maybe they're
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because if they like these young guards, they're not gonna trade for Marcus Morris.

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Maybe they trade and then they waive
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draft capital too, And will Updike, who is usually the third host he's

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not here, pointed out the twenty
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how you want to pitch it,
very valuable thing for these things.

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What I've heard from Steve Bamber saying
they don't ever want to have to reset

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or do a trust the process type
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I understand that. I agree.
I hope it's not really valuable.

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I hope we trade it and then
in three years can say, can you

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believe we've fleeced them with the thirty
sect or at the thirtieth pick in twenty

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thirty? But where Yeah, Joseph
I Award, who can't make the podcast,

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said Terrence Nico and the twenty twenty
eight for Drew Holiday. Are you

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doing that? Probably? Yeah,
I would be. I don't know.

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That's tough Terrence being involved. I
wonder how much interest there is in Kobe

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Brown. Obviously, these front offices
have had a relationship and have worked together

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recently in bringing in Norman Pale and
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But I think a first round pick
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non starter and you can just end
the conversation. They're gonna want one first

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round pick, and I don't think
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one to get Drew Holiday. Oh, I'm out if we're If it's two

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first round picks, I'm like,
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other guys. They only got one
for Damian Lillard, so I think they

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understand what the price tag is.
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great position. One of the reasons
I think they did so well today is

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getting Drew Holiday, that player that
can be an X factor that you can

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plug and play in so many different
lineups for so many different teams, that

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can help you get a little bit
closer to a ring. It drives up

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the price because teams are gonna be
bidding against one another. I think that's

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what really helps Portland in this case, because now there's more desperation out there.

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Mammy Heat didn't end up getting Damian
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Yeah, they've had a few rings
and some good fortune in the last decade.

406
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:52,319
Come on, man, we have
it. I gotta talk some shit.

407
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:59,519
I just I think the Portland Trailblazers
did well because they're gonna be able

408
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:03,279
to dangle Drew Holiday out there as
a bargaining chip and a lot of teams

409
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,960
are going to be in need of
his services, not just the Clippers.

410
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:12,720
Now that could though, create a
situation, where is that the easy fit

411
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,720
for Philly. Do they say,
Okay, if we get Drew Holiday,

412
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,799
we're willing to give up James Hard
and they probably still want something else.

413
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,039
Maybe they'd still want a first round
pick, second round pick, a young

414
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,000
player too, because Drew Holiday is
thirty two years of age. But I

415
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:34,599
would think after today's movement, there's
a better chance that the Clippers have an

416
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:41,680
opportunity to get James Hard. Which
do you want between those two? Yeah?

417
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:48,440
The different Yeah, that's why I'm
asking you which one do Well?

418
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,960
I'm stalling because it's close, all
right, Charles. I mean they do

419
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,079
do such different things because I've been
thinking about that too ever since this trade.

420
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:59,680
It was like, do I want
to lean in the defensive side of

421
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,119
this tree where we know, like
you mentioned, it's a little more physically

422
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,000
taxing and things like that, but
Drew Holiday can pick up some of that.

423
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,200
It's like, or do we want
you know, this this distribution,

424
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:14,799
this point guard thing that we've been
I don't know, frantically trying to find

425
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,559
through every possible avenue. And we
talk about Terrence Man and how he could

426
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:26,079
be the sweetener and make any deal
come to fruition, especially with Portland.

427
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,200
But he is twenty seven and he's
gonna have to be paid after next season.

428
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,160
They may not want to deal with
that. He may be tooled for

429
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,279
them. They're at on their timeline. Is he gonna be twenty seven in

430
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:42,960
about twenty three days, So for
this season, he's gonna be playing at

431
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,359
the age of twenty seven. But
the contract he's good this season. I

432
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,240
don't know if it's an opt out
after next year, but it is a

433
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,400
situation where you're gonna have to make
a decision on him. Sooner is not

434
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,400
going to get He won't get paid
a bunch, you know, like Terrence

435
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,799
Mann isn't a guy he's it.
Yeah, I mean twenty three, ten

436
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,880
and a half, twenty four,
twenty five, he's locked in for eleven

437
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,960
point four. But remember they still
have Jeremy Grant and he's one hundred and

438
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,759
sixty million dollar contract. I forgot
about Jeremy Grant Manny, which is a

439
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:20,400
weird situation. He doesn't make sense
on that team anymore. So I wonder

440
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,599
if either they start the season with
him and they play it out and maybe

441
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:28,759
he gets off to a really hot
start like he did his first year with

442
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,720
the Detroit Pistons. He balls out
and they move him at the trade deadline

443
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,079
and get more for him after showing
him off a little bit. So both

444
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,720
these trades don't have to be made
right away. It sounds like, yes,

445
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:45,720
Drew Holiday, if the price is
right, can be had right now,

446
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,799
And yes James Harden next week at
media day, it's gonna be full

447
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,519
on the street. He's not going. He's not going to their media day.

448
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:53,839
He's at He threw a party where
he was hey. He had bottle

449
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,680
girls holding up signs and said like
Darryl Moorey's a liar. Someone else may

450
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,799
have paid for those. I don't
know. I will say that I was

451
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:02,200
like, I don't want this shit
on my team. I don't want the

452
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,079
possibility of this bullshit on the team. Here's what I'll say though, regarding

453
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:13,400
your question, Drew Holiday or James
Harden. If it takes more to get

454
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,119
James Harden, which I think is
likely, I think the better option is

455
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:21,759
your holiday. Whatever takes less,
whatever gives you a better chance of not

456
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,480
having to give up Terrence Man to
get that guy, I think is what

457
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:30,319
you want. But I would also
say, if you get your holiday,

458
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:36,680
I think it means Bones Highland still
has a bigger role on this team.

459
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,839
If you get James Harden, I
think his role is diminished and maybe he

460
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,319
would be involved in the move.
I don't know, but one of these

461
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:52,279
guys between him, kJ Martin,
your guy, Kobe Brown, even Terrence

462
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:59,039
Man, I think somebody, at
least one has to have a breakout type

463
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,640
of year for this Clippers team to
contend at the highest level. It's Bones.

464
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,960
I think it's he gets the most
playing time. With those guys,

465
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,519
it's got to be Bones. Bones
needs to have whatever. The Bones breakout

466
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:15,440
year is probably finishing better at the
rim and things like that. So yeah,

467
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,440
but with Harden, how much playing
time would he get. I know

468
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,400
James Harden his injury prone as well
and could be a guy who only plays

469
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,039
fifty games during the regular season,
so you'd still need him in spots.

470
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:31,920
But yeah, I think if Drew
Holliday is there because of his defensive acumen,

471
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:37,199
you still need Bones Highland to really
show some growth this year. The

472
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,800
bench. The bench is nice if
if Russ goes to the say Drew comes

473
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,800
and I think if Drew Holliday is
a Clipper, at some point, Russ

474
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,599
goes to the bench. You're you're
just not running those two guys at the

475
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,199
one and two. I really hope
you're not. Then you got a bench

476
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,280
that's like this kind of insane,
like he got Russ and Terrence together maybe,

477
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,559
which is something a lot of people
want. You got kJ Martin out

478
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,400
there, you got bones like,
you have these weird pieces, and I

479
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,840
mean weird in a good way.
You have all these offensive pieces. Whatever

480
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,480
shakes out with the power forward position, they're probably gonna play kJ at the

481
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,559
three still. I mean, it's
still the show that we need some some

482
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,440
power forward depth. But that's a
fun bench. That's a bench that has

483
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:22,519
legs. Is the other important thing
too for the Clippers, they could definitely

484
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,440
score and put up some points.
I wonder how many teams they're stopping on

485
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,079
the other end, but a lot
if Batum is not starting. And that

486
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,400
was one of the other things I
was going to mention when he talked about

487
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,760
the competition and the power forward position. Well, Patuma isn't even want to

488
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,760
start. It's like he's taking himself
out. Good point of the equidation,

489
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:45,280
right wants to play too. Yeah, you brought up a great point on

490
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,440
our last show that it wasn't just
that, but Tom may feel that he's

491
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,159
stepping on somebody's toes. And I
was kind of just speculating whether or not

492
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:59,280
he wanted Marcus Morris to start,
and that's why he didn't want to be

493
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,880
too pushy about it. But you
brought up how him next to Russell Westbrook

494
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,639
means you have to run more.
Yeah, and that was a reason that

495
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,559
maybe he doesn't want to be in
the starting lineup. Book wasn't fair.

496
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:14,360
If you're coming up the if you're
with Bones, if you're with Terrence Man,

497
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,079
you're running. You're still like,
yeah, there are many options in

498
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:22,280
this league anymore not to run.
At that that quote, what you just

499
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,920
said there's not a lot of options
to not run is getting me more nervous

500
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,559
about our power forward position because I
love that these trade ideas are out there.

501
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,280
But now I'm like, we need
a power forward who can run,

502
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,239
because I've been We talked about kJ
Martin on the last episode and about how

503
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,280
he played, you know, like
this weird split of his his positional minutes

504
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,800
in Houston the two years it was
like really heavy power forward and then really

505
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,519
heavy small forward. It seems like
his natural fit small forward so unless we're

506
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,440
gonna go kind of mega small on
the bench, which I guess we have

507
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:57,079
seen. We've seen these three guard
lineups and things like that, he's gonna

508
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,119
be playing the three. So now
I guess I'm still just as worried about

509
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:06,840
the power forward depth, which law
Murray ranked I think as like the second

510
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,320
worst in the league, which I
totally agree with. It's a really rough

511
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,679
rotation right now. My hope is, and maybe it's wishful thinking, but

512
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,800
because of his extreme athleticism and pogo
stick like legs, that he can play

513
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,280
up a position and be at the
four. And you said he played it

514
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,239
almost seventy five percent of the time
two years ago for the Houston Rockets.

515
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:31,679
It was only at thirteen percent I
believe last year at the four position for

516
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:38,199
kJ Martin. But I think he's
capable in the right lineups. And by

517
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,480
the way, Lawrence Frank also talked
about, yes, Kauai could play up

518
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,440
guard up and be at the four
position, that is something that's available.

519
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,400
Yeah, but offensively it's a little
different. Eric Bleize as effort just start

520
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:58,440
kJ, we'll see. I don't
know if that'll happen, but I think

521
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,360
that's actually a message from nineteen ninety
one with the film's Phoenix. Now.

522
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,920
But you brought up that bench unit
and just how many options you can have.

523
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,719
I think that's gonna be a running
thread in here for a lot of

524
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,760
this season, just as much as
there are more defined roles, maybe with

525
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,559
the starting lineup outside of the four
position, the combinations coming off the bench.

526
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:27,000
I didn't even mention Norm when I
brought up Bones and Terrence Man.

527
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,280
They have a legit six man candidate
that might have won it last year if

528
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:36,719
he didn't miss so much time over
Malcolm Brogden in Norman Powell, who is

529
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,719
turning into an unsung hero because I
didn't bring him up with the guy average

530
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,840
was eighteen points. We're kind of
forgetting Norm's tenure with the Clippers so far

531
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,199
as kind of like you're like,
oh yeah, and then Norm can walk

532
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,119
into twenty. Just have this I
don't know, forty point game in Game

533
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,480
three of the playoffs against the Suns
when they had nobody else to go to.

534
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,039
Norm's a bucket. As the kids
say nowadays, I've been a one

535
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,360
of talk and they got something to
say, but comes out where Okay,

536
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:05,440
no, we're not doing eminem raps
I forgot about on this podcast. If

537
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,000
you want to subscribe, I'll send
you a dollar if you had down subcrip

538
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:10,599
because of that. Now, So
okay, So now I feel like we're

539
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:14,199
in the same vein as last year. It's like we've got all these contributors.

540
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,199
I'm hoping training camp, we see
some defined roles. We've kind of

541
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,760
already talked about, you know,
choosing between Drew and Harden. I don't

542
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,400
think it's that easy. I'm on
team Drew right now. I'm like,

543
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,119
let's make the play. Let's get
really good at defense. Let's be this

544
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,639
weird because it's not like, you
know, Drew Holiday comes. It's not

545
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,280
like our two way guys, you
know, Kawai and PG are still elite

546
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,119
offensively. We still have guys like
it's not like they're better defensively than they

547
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:42,920
are offensively. They're elite offensively.
So that I think offsets. I'm saying,

548
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920
bring Drew in and then maybe a
younger power forward that would be great.

549
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,159
Your Holiday is basically a rich man's
Terrence Man. He is a more

550
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:58,719
developed season Terrence Man. He's a
billionaire's Terrence Man. The question is how

551
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,400
much has he lost? Because I
know there have been murmurs that he's lost

552
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:08,079
a step here and there, but
everyone I think his physicality is what sets

553
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:12,519
him apart. The way he guards
guys in the posts, the way he

554
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:15,079
will hound them going up the court, that wears down their legs. Just

555
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:19,679
ask Paul George. I was just
gonna say, if we hey, if

556
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,639
Drew Holiday is on the Clippers,
Paul George can ball handle again because he

557
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:29,440
won't have to worry about him checking
him at half court. Yeah, you

558
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:32,840
gotta strengthen your team and make somebody
else have a weakness because you're taking away

559
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,000
a guy that they used to use
against you. So I did. Like

560
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:42,039
you mentioned, Jeremy Grant. Is
that someone who you'd maybe if the Clippers

561
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,840
don't make this play before you know
the end of October? Is that timeline

562
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,400
a lot? Murray said, would
you want to see the Clippers make a

563
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,320
play for Jeremy Grant? He gets
paid a lot of money. Yeah,

564
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:58,800
it was twenty seven and a half
this year, twenty nine point seven next

565
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,280
year, and even two and twenty
five, twenty six, thirty four and

566
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,199
twenty six twenty seven, and then
a player option for thirty six million.

567
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,320
The more that I run that down. If the CAP's going up every single

568
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,079
year, that's not the craziest thing. No, Timothy Albow, great point.

569
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,079
Grant can't be traded un till January, So this would be thank you,

570
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,960
Timothy. This would be much further
down the road, which I personally

571
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,760
that feels a little Maybe we're in
dire straits if we're making a giant swing

572
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,199
kind of near the trade deadline,
or if you just strike out and you're

573
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,599
not able to get Drew four James
Harden and you have to have that ABC

574
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,599
contingency plan just in case. And
I'm sure with this front office they're looking

575
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,880
at everything. I like Jeremy Grant. I do. I've been a fan

576
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,440
of his. He had an incredible
first two months as a Detroit Piston before

577
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,599
he started to tire out because he
realized he was the only guy there they

578
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,519
needed from him. Yeah, I'm
going to do the same. Before it

579
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:07,679
was like MVP level production for about
a two month period from him. And

580
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,480
even just last season in his short
stint with Portland, he ended up shooting

581
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:16,760
forty percent from three twenty one points
per game. Like, this is somebody

582
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,639
who I do like as a third
option, A lot. The question is

583
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:27,480
how much could he play at the
four as opposed to being a small out

584
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,039
there, and he did play power
forward at least he was listed as that.

585
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,280
But yeah, give me the percentage
is, Chuck, how much do

586
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,639
you actually play there? I feel
like such a dork because I will say

587
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,360
I'm not I'm not a deep basketball
mind. I would say, but it

588
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,119
is fun to know where people play
positions, so you know where to talk

589
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,280
about stuff. He played ninety four
percent of his minutes at power forward last

590
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,760
year for the Blazers. Makepers in
need of though, I mean, he

591
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,000
feel really need a power forward.
He's right there. He passes my percentage

592
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,159
test, which is okay. Well, the funny part is, let's look

593
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:07,199
at all his percentages because it's not
even really that close. The only thing

594
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:13,039
I worry about with him is like
playmaking and being a connector. His assist

595
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:17,559
to turnover ratio like it was two
point four to one point eight. No,

596
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,079
I know, but just you gotta
trust him. Don't want a ball

597
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,400
stopper in there. Yeah that is
true. We don't. We need the

598
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,840
connector, which is something that Kobe
Brown is good at. So Jeremy Grant

599
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,320
the last here's the wow. Here's
the last you know, six or seven

600
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:38,840
seasons of power forward percentages ninety nine
percent in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, eighty

601
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:45,000
three percent in twenty nineteen to twenty
twenty, sixty eight percent for Detroit in

602
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,599
twenty twenty twenty one, and then
ninety five and ninety four percent. The

603
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:52,239
man is a power for He's comfortable
there, there's no issue. There's no

604
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,679
issue. You could slot him right
in that. That's an interesting thought,

605
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,800
especially if they could get him Andrew
had somehow. But maybe I'm just going

606
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,920
crazy. Man. I'll tell you
what if the Clippers, the Clippers are

607
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,639
making a trade for Drew Holiday and
Jeremy Grant, I don't know how I

608
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:13,639
feel about our chances going to the
playoffs because that's a big ass shift roster

609
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,480
wise, very late in the season. Whatever. Yeah, that that January

610
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:22,639
deadline. I guess we can table
the Jeremy Grant stuff because it's not a

611
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:27,199
possibility. Keep it in the back
of your mind. Yeah, it's worth

612
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,960
we'll up to. Like a big, a big Jeremy Grant fan, is

613
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,480
he? I know he was a
big Dame fan. How he was Did

614
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,960
you get a reaction from him today. I didn't see him say much in

615
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,880
the group chat regarding Dame being in
Milwaukee now, not really. I think

616
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,280
we're all just excited that the sun's
got worse. Because the sun's got worse,

617
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,280
right, let's talk about that.
I think that's interesting. As good

618
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,880
as DeAndre Ayton, I don't.
I mean, if you're from Sturbia,

619
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,960
maybe you think he is. But
he's not as good as DeAndre Ayton vibes

620
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:04,000
wise, Yes, everything else involving
basketball, No, I definitely think at

621
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:08,679
best they're marginally better, and it
worse. It could be significant than what

622
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,239
the potential was at least with having
DeAndre eight in there if he was willing

623
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,159
to play nice. Just look at
how much nur Kitchen where his availability has

624
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:23,480
been at the last four seasons now
eight games played in nineteen twenty, then

625
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:27,599
thirty seven games played, then fifty
six, then fifty two. Like,

626
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:30,599
I know he's a good passer.
I know he's a good locker room guy.

627
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,440
And I think they like him because
he makes quick decisions and he's more

628
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,000
of a finisher and not a ball
stopper like DeAndre eight, and wants to

629
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:42,760
be there, of course, and
wants to win a championship, But I

630
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,199
think it's obviously a talent down grade. Could the fit be better, maybe,

631
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,599
But I was interested to see what
Frank Vogel was going to do with

632
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,840
DeAndre Aiden, who was a big
man whisperer. You know, Wasn't that

633
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,880
part of the point of bringing in
Vogel to get the most out of DeAndre

634
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:02,480
Eighten next these other guys. But
I understand it from the perspective of they

635
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:07,960
had four guys making thirty million dollars
that you've already gone, So you just

636
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:13,639
go like you've already gone. All
in Royce Smartin Sorry, race Marlin,

637
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,519
excuse me, says The interesting piece
of Sun's got is Grayson Allen, who

638
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:21,159
I personally, man, I do
not like watching him play basketball or the

639
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,920
things he does on the court,
but he does. He does shoot forty

640
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,800
percent from three. You know,
he's a grinder, he does the dirty

641
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,760
work. He's some good depth.
Imagine how much we're gonna hate him in

642
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,159
a Son's uniform now that we have
to see him regularly. I'm not gonna

643
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,440
hate him on the defensive end when
they hunt him, just like I will

644
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:45,159
until he put takes a knee into
someone else's knee tries to trip somebody.

645
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:53,159
Joe Angles light, Yes, I'd
say he's maybe Joe Angles heavy, Ted

646
00:46:53,239 --> 00:47:01,039
Cruise heavy. Kratos puts up a
good call, like the team across and

647
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,639
like if you're the Suns, you're
the centers in the West are very good.

648
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:10,400
You have two guys who are very
good, especially like that they're that's

649
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,400
it, They're just not. I
don't see it. I think they got

650
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,920
worse, which I'm very happy for
the Clippers. The Blazers keep tanking and

651
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,280
getting your picks. Two teams got
worse in the Western Conference, which is

652
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,639
always good for the Clippers. I
did think for a second, you know,

653
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,719
it's just nice that somebody great is
going to the East now and Damian

654
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,960
Lillard, because last time I checked, Kad just came to the West and

655
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,800
Kyrie just came to the West.
The town was already lopside in favor of

656
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,639
the Western Conference, as it has
been basically since Jordan retired. The second

657
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:50,679
time, it's going back almost twenty
five years now Western Conference supremacy. Now,

658
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,559
I wanted to circle back and go
back to something you asked me and

659
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:58,039
gets your opinion on this. Who
do you want more between Drew Holiday and

660
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:00,639
James Harden for this Clippers team on
the Drew train. If we don't have

661
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:04,239
to give up Terrence, Man,
give me Drew Holiday. What did we

662
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,400
do do it? If we do, I still think I want Drew Holiday.

663
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:15,000
I might be looking I might be
looking too much into the off court

664
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:19,440
stuff. I want. We have
a team. Imagine if this team had

665
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,440
personalities that acted like James Hardknacks when
they're when things aren't going well. Shit

666
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:28,280
would be so much worse for this
Clippers team if we had that kind of

667
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,840
thing, you know what I mean? They haven't had a locker room issues

668
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,239
for the most part, Treads side
of what was said in the bubble and

669
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,880
right, but the bubble, it
was like that's a whole, it's its

670
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,679
own things. It hasn't been a
real issue since the Lobsody era. No,

671
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,400
and maybe the Tread stuff when he
was just yelling at as in the

672
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,079
locker room at one time, dude, No Tolmyre was the guy who was

673
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,400
there who was just getting those great
Treads quotes after they lost by like what

674
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,639
when they were getting booed by the
fans, and like Tres when on that

675
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:02,840
diet tribe, Toma was just like
in the locker rooms. All right,

676
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:09,679
so shout out till Maya. But
no, I don't want things are already

677
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:14,639
so difficult. We don't need a
guy who parties a ship ton. And

678
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:16,320
I know I might sound like an
old man. He's very good at basketball.

679
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:22,920
I'm not discrediting that part. But
Drew brings Drew as Jessice Wood is

680
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:27,119
just as good at what Drew does
as what James Harden does. For James

681
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,800
Harden, you know what I'm saying. But without the partying and all this

682
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:37,320
potential nightmarish bullshit, Drew Holiday also
has it. We think there's at least

683
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:43,639
a fifty percent chance that he stays
with the team after this season. James

684
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,960
Harden is a free agent unrestricted.
I want no part of that. I

685
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,760
want no part of trying to court
James Harden, because James Harden is something's

686
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,880
gonna enjoy free agency, right like
he obviously likes to be wined and dines

687
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,840
and all this stuff. Like give
me the guy who already knows very well

688
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:07,199
how to play with one superstar and
let him do his thing and sacrifice maybe

689
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,119
some other stuff to win a championship, who might also be on the team

690
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,119
has a greater chance of being on
the team at least one more year.

691
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,000
And if we don't have to give
up Terrence Man, which I understand might

692
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:22,159
be a bit of a stretch,
a fantastic mentor for the old Terrence now

693
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,880
old Terrence Man. Or we just
say fuck it and get a power forward,

694
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,519
which sure, let's see that.
So I think I'm on team Drew

695
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,960
my just biggest concern, and I
love Drew Holiday too. It's not really

696
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,559
about Drew. It's just whether or
not you have to give up Terrance Man.

697
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:43,920
And either of these moves is it
puts even more pressure on you to

698
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,639
have to get it done this year, because this really could be it.

699
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:51,159
Oh, the pressure's already. I'm
like, the pressure's already, just like

700
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,800
ten out of ten. Right,
we're in contract years for our two stars

701
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,039
that we traded a bunch of stuff
for. We're already there. What's more

702
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:02,239
pressure? Well, but I'm saying
you have so little to fall back on

703
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,559
if you lose Terrence Man in the
future, who is five years younger than

704
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:13,800
Drew Holiday. That's tough. Ya
Okay, yeah, okay, yeah yeah,

705
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,519
but again, counterpoint, Kobe Brown, I'm just kidding. You may

706
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:20,360
lose him two in the movie.
I don't want to have to bring that

707
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,079
up. Or Brandon Boston. We'd
probably lose Brandon Boston. One of the

708
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:29,559
best series, the best series of
his career, and I thought it was

709
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:35,559
eye opening at the time from Drew
Holiday was first round twenty eighteen against the

710
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:39,840
Portland Trailblazers. Guess who he wrecked
in that series, Damian Lillard. I

711
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,519
know that was twenty eighteen, it's
five years ago. But he averaged twenty

712
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:51,719
eight points per game in that series
on fifty seven percent shooting Drew Holiday did.

713
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,000
It was incredible. And the way
that they just disrupted Portland's offense like

714
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:00,159
it was nothing. It was actually
him and Brondo. So imagine we get

715
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,960
like the disruption ability that word is
so great for what Drew can help this

716
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,920
Clippers team do we can disrupt other
people's offense, like in the half court

717
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,840
when things slow down. The playoffs, Drew Holiday PG and Kauai good fucking

718
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,280
luck, good luck against that one, two, three, whoever's at the

719
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,239
four and then zoo out there.
That's a nice playoff lineup. And does

720
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:31,039
getting Drew Holiday really solidify more of
an identity with this team than getting James

721
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:35,760
Hardy. Yes, I didn't even
think of that, but yes, it

722
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,559
fully does. This is like hard
knows we're gonna play defense, We're gonna

723
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:42,719
take this ship. Seriously, when
you think take the season seriously, do

724
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,760
you think of James Harden? I
mean, he's been prettydamned good in the

725
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,920
regular season. I'm not saying he
hasn't been good or bad. But when

726
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,440
you think of take the regular season
seriously, well do you think of James?

727
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:57,400
Is it James Harden or Drew Holiday
that I don't think it first.

728
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:06,440
I don't think it was Drew Holiday
is certainly there's there's an US. Yeah,

729
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,920
there's a different approach. It seems
not to say that I wouldn't be

730
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,039
going to a bunch of crazy strip
clubs if I were a millionaire playing basketball,

731
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,440
But I would also understand if people
wanted the person who didn't do those

732
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,920
things to be on their team.
And Drew's three point shooting has really improved

733
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,760
over just the last three seasons with
Milwaukee. He's been shooting about on average

734
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,599
in those three seasons a little overt
So this is somebody that can help stretch

735
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:35,960
the floor while just being the point
of attack defender and taking up that challenge

736
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:40,920
on the other end and taking some
of that responsibility off of Kauai and Paul

737
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,159
George a little bit, and Russ
like who They both make the game easier

738
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:51,719
in different ways. James Harden and
Drew Holiday. Holiday obviously is not the

739
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,599
playmaker that James Harden is, but
James Harden is isn't close to the defender

740
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,039
that Drew Holiday is, So it's
it's I think both guys can really help

741
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:06,960
the team in different ways. It's
not an easy decision. I guess I'd

742
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,119
probably lean Drew Holiday just because I
think you would have to give up Less.

743
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,400
You may still have to give up
Terrence, but overall you're going to

744
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,880
have to give up Less. Yeah, this was a good point. Jeremy

745
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:25,039
Mormon crazy last name, asked,
does James Arden take the home down discount?

746
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,000
I don't think after what happened taking
a discount in Philly, he takes

747
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:32,920
another discount. He fumbled the bag
with Brooklyn. He had one hundred and

748
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,679
sixty million dollars on the table and
he didn't take it. And I would

749
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,119
do the same if I were him. If I'd fucked up one contract already,

750
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:45,239
it was my last year for what
it's his last big ish contract.

751
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,599
He's not taking a discount. He
likes money. It depends on how the

752
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:58,280
season goes. Nobody thought. I
think it was pretty unanimous that Russ was

753
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,480
likely leaving and not going to take
three point eight million dollars, and yet

754
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:06,880
he did. So who knows.
It all depends how the season goes.

755
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,119
He's back in southern California. How
much is that worth to him? I

756
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:16,119
don't know. There could be some
discount there, but both The bottom line

757
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:21,559
is we both feel like the Clippers
need en upgrade and one of these guys

758
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,679
could be that somewhere, power forward, one of these guys. Let's get

759
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:30,719
it done. Jabos eighty four,
soos, Let's get Drew and Harden love

760
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:37,760
it, call it in, send
the trades, let's let's get It's that

761
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,719
easy. It's easy, all right. So, Adam, you are going

762
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,400
to be at media day on Monday. Correct, I'll be there. Yeah.

763
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,639
Will you be wearing a suit?
Yeah? Oh really, I'm gonna

764
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:55,559
be my Drew holiday professional. Oh
man, I'm looking good. I'll take

765
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,519
a picture and send it just to
you. Chuck, you want it?

766
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,440
Okay? Well, maybe the group
chat all right, So you're gonna be

767
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,440
there Monday, and then we are
going to be talking about everything that was

768
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,599
mentioned at Clippers media Day on another
kind of live hang for an episode recording,

769
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,119
Adam, anything else you kind of
want to break down. I have

770
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:19,119
to do some work at some point
or I will be let go anything else

771
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:22,880
you want to get into. I'd
like to say this about Milwaukee and how

772
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,039
everyone is immediately saying, well,
they're the odds on favorite, they're the

773
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:29,639
team to be, They're this tough. Yes, they got significantly better.

774
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,440
I think they are the best team
in the East. But we've just been

775
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,559
through this three different times recently.
Starting with the Clippers they got Kawai and

776
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,280
Paul George, they have yet to
win. Then it was the Brooklyn Nets.

777
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,400
They got Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant
and then added James Harden and it

778
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,840
was a foregone conclusion they were going
to be able to win. Then when

779
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,000
Kevin Durant went to the Sun's last
year was all there are the team to

780
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:57,800
be. We've seen this over and
over again, and it still comes down

781
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,840
to health. It still comes down
to a lot of good luck on your

782
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,880
side. And it's been underreported but
both Chris Middleton and Jannest Denni Koumpo had

783
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,840
knee cleanups this offseason. Chris Middleton's
coming off a wrist injury. He only

784
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:15,400
played thirty games last year. Brook
Lopez is thirty five and is their defensive

785
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,039
anchor, and Damian Lillard has never
been known for his defense. They are

786
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:22,159
having a trade off there, getting
rid of Drew for Dame. Defensively,

787
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:27,199
They're likely not going to be as
good, but Dame's offense, like no,

788
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,079
it's it's unbelievable. He also,
though looked like he was starting to

789
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:36,320
slow down and then had this great
year last year after a couple of injury

790
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,679
plagued seasons. I think he's gonna
be great. I think if he's healthy,

791
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,960
he and Jannis and that one two
punch is going to be absolutely deadly

792
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,159
in the pick and roll and tough
to stop. And if Chris Middleton is

793
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:50,320
back back because he had that injury
in the twenty twenty two playoffs with his

794
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,920
knee and he just had another surgery
on it, They're going to be the

795
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,199
team to beat in the East.
But tell you what, the Clippers can

796
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,280
somehow come out of the West.
I still feel pretty good about those matchups

797
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,039
against Damian Lillard and Yannis, because
well, they have wrecked Damian Lillard if

798
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:08,119
you look, bro, he's terrible
at last five years. Yes, against

799
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:10,880
the two and three era of the
Clippers. He's had some of the worst

800
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,559
games of his career against them.
And I still think Kauai against Yannis,

801
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:22,519
who yes the mix, Good luck
buddy. I'm just saying we're looking too

802
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:25,519
far into the future. But since
everybody is already saying the Milwaukee Bucks with

803
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:30,159
the best team in the league,
I don't hate a healthy Clippers team and

804
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:34,519
how they can match up against him
not at all? Who does Thank you

805
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,239
everyone who hung out on this live
stream kind of question. Hang. We

806
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,000
do these every once in a while
when random stuff happens over on YouTube dot

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com. Slash at Clippers podcast you
can find us on Twitter at Clippers pod.

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Sometimes we get sassy stop telling us
to stop talking about Harden. He's

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a trade target. I don't know
what to say. If there's news,

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we'll talk about it. So today
they were doing the job. You can

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find this podcast anywhere you find podcasts. We'd love reviews. On iTunes.

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Someone gave us a four star review
and said that we interrupt too much.

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That's totally on me. I lost
us that star. I'm gonna interrupt right

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now. But yeah, thanks for
hanging out. This will be up if

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you miss the live. This is
going to be up on all the platforms

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and whatnot in a couple of minutes. But as always, you know,

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we'll be back on Monday, and
yeah, let's go clips. I'm gonna

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click end stream. There might be
a couple of seconds, so if you

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see us do something weird, that's
what happened.