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It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with
Jack and carn Seo and JP Sorrows the

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LAPS fans get all my ears rustling
like you never seen anything like it,

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And it's the laps Fan name of
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on your head. But you know, coul Driver, you speaking more outge

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best podcast fun start to close round
if y'all be so. We talked about

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the very first televised Yal Rumble Inch
nineteen eighty years the fast time we were

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with you here on the Lapsed Fan, and a key part of understanding that

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event is that it basically right was
created to fuck with Jim Crockett. Like

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most things Vince did in the mid
to late eighties aren't the good old days,

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and so what exactly was it Vince
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alluded to it, but it made
a lot of sense to follow on our

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Royal Rumble eighty eight coverage with the
show that was unmoored by the record cable

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television rating for a free Sunday night
special in the USA network. That was

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the Royal Rumble. To talk about
the show that it disrupted. It was

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the Bunk House Stampede January twenty fourth, nineteen eighty eight, Nassau Coliseum,

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Long Island, New York. You
heard it right, Jim Crockett Promotions and

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wa running in New York on pay
per view. In some ways, you

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can call it Crockett's first pay per
view because, as we talked about,

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the nineteen eighty seven Starkaden Theory was
on pay per view. But by the

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time Vince had his way with the
cable companies and put up Survivor series Head

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to Head really wasn't available to buy
in most markets in this country because Vince

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gave them an ultimatum with all the
leverage of WrestleMania three at his back.

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I want to say, I want
to say something that is it's totally it's

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totally a meme, and it is
maybe elitist in some way and whatever.

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But you know, you didn't even
need to say that this show took place

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in the Northeast because all you had
to do was look at the crowd.

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And they're actually attractive people at these
shows. Come on, they look at

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I'm sorry, you know, you
know I said, I said, it's

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rude, it's awful, But come
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share of of of Southern wrastling crowds
during this time period, and they're not

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fun to look at. Well,
I'll tell you they had some opportune cutaways

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at their disposal during this show.
To guess, some very eighties looking,

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you know, twenty somethings in the
crowd undoubtedly looking to you know, I

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mean, we're not you know,
there were no women. Put it this

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way, there were no women,
you know, with mullets and beer goggle

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glasses like we've seen in the southern
shows. Right. Well, there's more

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of a more of a front row
fervor and some of those traditional seven wrestling

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markets where those first several rows are
always going to be taken up by the

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wrestling lifers, especially in you know, hardcore wrestling buildings like the Greensboro Coliseum

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that was the home base of Jim
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right, whereas here one of their
first forays, not their very first,

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but one of their first forays into
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For a big televised event like this, you probably will get some folks that

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otherwise, you know, don't typically
attend wrestling, and there's not like a

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first three rows whole hard camera mounted
for by the hardcore right when it comes

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to turning out for for n WA
wrestling at the time. But yeah,

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you know, certainly there were plenty
of twenty somethings turning out hoping to choke

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on Horseman Cock at the Helmsley Palace. That's right, come on now there

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it would be uh uh, there
was a Marriott right across the way from

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from from the coliseum. That there
was. But fortunately we actually know the

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hotel that the wrestlers stayed out for
this show because it turned out to be

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the site of some historically significant banter
about whether the booking range of Dusty Rhodes

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should be aborted with with with all
due haste. There was a lot of

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a lot of post gaming on this
one because this is one of the biggest

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unmitigated disasters ever in terms of the
business. This is awful, This is

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this is really I mean it should
be called rough House Stampede. I asked

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you a question picture sitting down January
twenty fourth, nineteen eighty eight, going

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through all the rigamarole it took to
order a pay per view in nineteen eighty

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eight to do it, and this
is what you got, thoughts. I

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mean, I mean, listen,
you know, if we're talking nineteen eighty

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eight and I'm seven years old,
I probably would have found reasons to like

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it. I'm sure I would have, because I would do that. I

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found reasons to like WrestleMania eleven.
I found reasons to like Summer Slam ninety

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five. Besides, you know the
ladder match, so you know, as

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a kid, you get your blinders
on, so I can imagine, I

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can actually imagine being somewhat intrigued or
enthralled by a Battle Royal that involved people

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being tossed over a cage to be
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that with myself, because I was
my imagination like was so out of control,

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Like I probably, honestly, you
know what, I probably fucking booked

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one in my Hasbro universe. Sure, you know, I you know,

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because I made like a you know
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of some kind of wire and stuff, and I'm sure I had some kind

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of weird cage match that involved people
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something I would come up with,
like my weird fucking tag matches, that

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I would have my my weird elimination
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This is what I would do,
I'm not I'm not kidding. I would

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have a tag team, right,
and the only way to win was to

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have your team pin both partners in
a row. So like if if team

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won pinned team two, and then
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would have to pin twice again.
And if you're waiting for me to say

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I really like that idea, no, I really liked that idea. Actually,

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yeah, all right, they haven't
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no, But like you can kind
of disrupt, you can disrupt the score

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talian right by eating. It's like, it's kind of like if you will

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like the the the mentality of a
strap match by touching. Sure the thing.

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It's not best, but it's first
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exactly best two street yeah, yeah, first two straight falls like you can

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have pinfall. I'd have pinfalls going
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a couple of these with the Steiner
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I will grant you that you know, your impressionable young wrestling mind could

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have been intrigued to check out a
Battle Royal advertised as the bunk how Stampede

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was. But by the time it
was over, would you have been satisfied

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as a young wrestling fan based on
the way it played out? Yes,

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because I was always about a baby
face winning. I don't care who it

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was. Now Listen, if I
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now if I ordered this, if
this have then happened, say in in

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like two thousand and eight, a
whole different story, different story. And

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I think what's important to remember is
a key distinction between WWF and JCP at

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the time was that the profile of
the audience was, you know, it's

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all all the kids are watching WWF
because of the toys and the cartoon,

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and I'll watch it. Uh,
they're not watching in as great numbers.

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I mean, I don't know this
for absolute sure. I'm sure plenty of

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kids watched you know, JCP on
TBS and stuff, but it's it's very

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obvious to me that they skewed older, significantly older in talk at least who

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turned out at the Nassau Coliseum.
I don't remember seeing hardly any keys on

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camera. I mean it always felt
like that anyway, like because it was

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right the whole idea with it being
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edgy, you know like that that
yeah, and that was the key sort

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of distinction with wrestling fans in the
eighties to two. It was like if

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you were into NWAWCW, if you
were if you were in the Rick Flair

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camp, you were into a wrestling
that was, you know, more mature

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and harder, raged and sort of
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has always been. Where Camp Carnival
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young, impressionable audience. What do
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talking about Rick Flair camp? Dude? Are you singing at a Camp Brother

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Camp WWE. But all that to
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by the time it's over, you
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infamously fans in the Nassau Colisseum chanting
refund so loudly that it gets picked up

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as a Jim Ross and Bob Coddle
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up. And that's for many reasons, including the fact that there was tremendous

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confusion over which time the show actually
began, so that for a lot of

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people that turned out to this event
at the Nassau Colisseum, they basically just

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got like an hour of wrestling and
the show is over because they showed up

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at a time the earliest printed tickets
indicated they should have, which was eight

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o'clock, when really they should have
showed up at six thirty because that's when

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the first dark watch when the shit
and so come nine o'clock, the show

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is over and these people basically got
an hour of wrestling. That that's pretty

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much the reason assigned to why there's
a refund chant not so much the fact

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that Dusty Rhodes went over, which
is a whole other song with of course,

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which I mean we'll have our way
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you know, I mean, I'm
sure you're going to get into this as

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well. But I when I was
watching it, and I went into the

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you know, they were talking about
previous bunk House Stampede matches, and I

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go and I go back and and
look at the other at the stats for

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the other ones, and realize that
Dusty won all of them. Yes,

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what the fuck? Well, I
mean, the reason is very simple.

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It's because he's the bull of the
woods. Now, what isn't simple is

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explaining what the fuck that is supposed
to mean in four and two thou twenty

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three. He's the bull of the
shit, is what he Yeah, he's

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the bullshit of the woods, right, And we're gonna get into why here

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on this episode, because this was
it for Dusty. I mean, certainly

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he kept the book for a little
while longer, but it's pretty the time

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is nigh, where Jim Crockett finally
throws his hands up, Turner moves into

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buy, Dusty gets I guess you
could say his time is up. His

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time is nigh, correct, His
time is nigh. That's correct. And

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Dusty, you know, has a
fit and leaves and books and angle where

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the road Warriors hit him with a
spike despite the edict remember that there'd be

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no blood on the turnaround w CW. And so he gets fired and goes

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to WWF. But this his decision. How can you sit there and endorse

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a product when they simply lie.
They said they're not going to have any

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blood on their television. And look
what this guy does on his on his

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you know, I'm gonna write letters
to to to to parent FCC, parent

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organizations, and then I'll tell you
what I'm gonna hire that guy, give

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me Dusty Rhodes. Yeah, that's, of course the most delicious part of

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the story, which of course we'll
get to as well. But bunk House

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Damp eighty eight remembered for all the
wrong reasons watching it back, there's no

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redeeming qualities to it whatsoever. So
awful that Dusty sat down and thought that

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many non finishes on a pay per
view and they to service the customer is

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a permanent indictment on his booking ability. He was a good booker for a

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little period of time, but so
were a lot of people. How hardcore

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the mistakes are when you start losing
momentum, and his were epic. I

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mean, I guess, I guess
Rick Flair versus Hawk was fine on paper

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and the match was okay because you
know, but if you have that's the

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finish you have to give people.
What are you doing putting the match on

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the show? Guys? I know
this is pay per view, Dusty.

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This isn't like, let's do a
finish so that you know, in our

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minds the guys who are is hot
the next time they come to the town.

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This is pay per view. This
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a house show that my mom's show. And you know, the previous punk

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house stampedes that you just mentioned,
those were house shows. They weren't on

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television. They were promoted on television
move tickets, but they weren't television presentations.

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And so I think Dusty just failed
to reimagine the punk house stampede of

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ND you could have stopped it failed? What's that you could have stopped it?

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Failed? Yeah, to reimagine the
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you know, and sort of what
how that shifts the expectations of the

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people watching the matches in terms of
like, no, we actually get conclusive

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finishes. That's what pay per view
is. I mean that's the thing too.

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I mean you may bring up an
excellent point, because I sit there

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and it feels like a house show. It is right, like that's exactly

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what it feels like. I think
they got the wind taken so out of

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their sales by how Starkade eighty seven
was gutted as a pay per view proposition

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that they were just we gotta do
something, we gotta get on the air

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list. We got a New York
date to circle on the calendar. Here

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circled on the calendar. I should
say, let's make that the pay per

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view without any actual you know,
because they didn't have a lot of time

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after the Thanksgiving star Kake I turned
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I said, you know on this
podcast about this this event, that

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they just had no momentum that there
was something you could point to that was

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must see a resolution they could put
in front of the people that everyone was

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was was thirsting four at the time. You know, coming off Starcake,

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you're you're you're cold. You know
that that's that's your peak of the year,

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and so they're going to put this
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a couple of months later there is
Yeah, there's nothing, there's nothing really

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interesting. Yep. And yeah,
the fact that Dusty won them all.

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I mean this is like, this
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two Rumble. I mean not even
I'm gonna say like, not even Hogan

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won a rumble on until nineteen ninety. But but if he won ninety you

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think in ninety great, you know, it's a wonderful show. Ninety one,

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great, wonderful show. Hogan wins
again. But if he wins again

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in ninety two, and it's it's
supposed to be a bigger one for the

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title and it's not, you know, a pay per view for this case,

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it is supposed to be a bigger
one than the usual. You expect

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something more, You expect something a
twist, you expect something landmark, not

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just a repeat of the last two
years. I mean, I know you

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would have loved it, but what
would be talking about the nineteen ninety two

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Yal Rumble is the greatest rumble of
all time today of Hogan one absolutely not

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no chance I would be but uh, you know, and here. You

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have it here. You had a
chance to make the match means something different

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when the spotlight was really bright,
and he just didn't do it because he's

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the bullow the woods or whatever the
fuck. And we'll hear his reasoning,

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Dusty's reasoning as we go here.
People were very attuned and sensitive to this

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at the time. I mean,
Dusty was you know, he was not

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knocking him dead in any way.
When you looked at the business metrics,

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you know he was. He was
putting himself in positions to define the product

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when you know every day, every
data point would have told you that that

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time has passed. You know that
that's not working, and he kept doing

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it. So you can see with
the frustration in the locker room starts horse

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boil. So it's all here.
It's the Bunkhouse Stampede nineteen eighty eight.

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A great a great show for us
to cover, one that I felt like

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it would probably be hard to get
to a reason to cover. I thought

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maybe a copper person would pick it
at some point, right, or just

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you know, a random show to
pick right. But here, uh,

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if you're tuning into television at the
time, is what you would have heard

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in terms of the selling points for
this bunk House Stampede pay per view and

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the town right of Live Something January
twenty four and the showdown to New York,

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the third annual bunk House Stampede Final
is more than turnment of the top

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NWA wrestlers, Only the roughest,
only the toughest will be left standing at

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the end, and the payoff one
half million bucks for a bootfull of dollars.

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These cowboys will do anything. Everything
goes, anything goes. Don't miss

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it. See us do what we
do. Miss double team, triple team

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the finals of the bunk House Damped, the baddest of the match duty will

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be a mac and dreaming out here
to day. They ain't nothing as bad

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as the bunk House Dampeede, and
that's only one way that you can get

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the bunk House dempets. So I
want you to enough depth. Children.

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For more information on how to order
the bunk House Stampede Championships in your own

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home, on January twenty fourth,
call your local cable company. I'm good.

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What did Dusty say? There's nothing
as bad as the bunk House Damped.

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He's not wrong, so we're wrong, you know, And that's a

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funny thing too, Like they make
such a big deal out of this as

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being this this, this, even
fucking Caddle. Even Caddle at one point

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callses the most dangerous fucking match,
and I'm like, really, it's more

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dangerous than war games, not even
close, not even close. This is

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a bitch. This last time on
the Rumble Show, when we talked about

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the fact that w WOF was already
running this has always forgotten in this history

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of bunk house dampede was already running
bunkhouse battle royals of their own, mocking

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right the bunk house concept, because
what Coddle's talking about is what he had

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seen to date, or what NB
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bunk house stampedes where people came to
the ring with all manner of weapons,

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and the bunkhouse stampede was not just
a battle royal, it was also like

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a weapons match, and everyone you
know, came dressed in jeans and cut

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off shirts, ready to brawl childboy
boots to you know, split people's heads

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open and stuff like that. But
here because of the cage element that that

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was never part of bunkhouse stampedes prior. It's not like every bunkhouse stampede was

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in a cage here Suddenly the punkhouse
stampede concept is there's no weapons. Really,

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people are just getting in there and
fighting. Yeah, it's very,

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very stupid and all the backward psychology. It sounds good to throw someone over

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the top of the cage. Then
you think like, wait a minute,

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how are you going to do that? Right? Why would they why why

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would they go up there? Right? It looks so fake when they do

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it, and most of them are
out the door anyway, which is hardly

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as dramatic, and they didn't even
they don't place to a tend dis degree

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that someone's gonna get thrown out of
a cage, right, And it's the

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same thing as you know, it's
to me, it's the same thing as

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a scaffold match. You're never going
to see what you really want to see,

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all right, because no one's going
to take that kind of risk,

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like you don't want to see something
Like, no one's actually gonna like get

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thrown over the top of the cage
like you want them to, because they

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don't want to get hurt. Yeah, that's right, And you know that's

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the thing too, that's it right
there. If you can't fucking make if

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you can't do a match, if
there's a match that requires a major ass

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stunt that no one is willing to
do, don't do the match's corrects.

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Just over every hell in the cell
match, you know, right right?

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Totally? No, I mean he
has to he has to do something ridiculous.

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Everyone has to do something ridiculous.
Not until Shane was willing to put

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it all on the line to try
to make his dad love him. Did

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anybody come along and do what people
got animated by when they hurt Helen a

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cell? Who's his dad? That's
correct, disowned son? Didn't Caesar have

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one of those two one he didn't
acknowledge as his own son. I believe

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he did. I did. And
of course you think Dusty right when he

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got the book at TNA, what's
he doing lethal lockdown or all cage match

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pay per views? When he thinks
big show pay per view, he thinks

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put it in a cage, it'll
be fine. And of course lethal Lockdown

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was basically an in cage weapons filled
battle royal kind of the same thing.

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And we know how awesome that is
from the recent TNH journey. So it's

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just it's it's it's not going to
work, and it's just very important that

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this whole timing thing it was.
It was made known really the night of

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the show, and it was the
talk of the show afterwards, in the

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talk of the locker room that like, these people that bought tickets to this

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thing early were totally fucked over because
their tickets said to show up at eight

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and the matches started ended up starting
at like quarter to seven or something like

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that. So you know, people
show up and get hardly any of a

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show and they get dusty going over, which I'm not sure they were,

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you know, really would have been
as mad about if they got three and

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a half hours of wrestling beforehand.
But it's like you didn't even get something

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impactful at the end. You didn't
even get like someone breaking through or something

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a novelty or anything like that.
So it was it was bad. This

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was in Pro Wrestling, illustrated after
the event. The year comes to an

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end at midnight December thirty one,
but the effects of nineteen eighty eight will

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be felt long afterwards. Blah blah
blahm okay headline the NA fails at the

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Nassau Coliseum. Wow, this is
in the Kfave Aftermags the magazine holy shit,

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you know, just like jumped into
bed with Jim Crockett. When Vince

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Junior took over and banned their photographers
and writers from ringside primarily pissed them off

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to the point there was like,
you know, just an absurd bias towards

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UH Crockett wrestlers and NBA wrestlers in
terms of who got the cover, who

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got the Wrestler of the Year awards, all that shit. You know,

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Fucking Dusty Rhodes would go on TBS
every week and thank Bill Apter after had

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a television segment on TV. It
was, you know, for them to

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go at in this hard was a
was a sign of like, we're doing

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this for you, We're calling you
out for your own good, not just

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to be assholes. The NWA fails
at the Nassau policy and the NWA's were

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turned to the New York Metropolitan Area. Lasted only five months and may have

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destroyed any hopes for a future return, although the debut card last November.

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Yeah, Dot's not forget I was
going to get to this. The first

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time they ever ran New York was
not this event. That is to say,

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Jim Crockett promotions. The first time
they ran was November of nineteen eighty

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seven, and they did a very
healthy crowd. Really yeah, or what

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so what happened? Uh? Well, I mean they came back with a

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show that people weren't that interest in. You A respectable number of people turned

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out for this show. But you
watched the pay per view, you know

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what happened. Fucking watch it.
Although the debut card last November drew a

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promising crowd, things steadily worsened.
The Bunkhouse Stampede card in late January began,

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depending on which tickets you held a
half hour or a full hour before

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the time listed on the ticket.
The card itself lasted barely two hours and

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left a sour taste in the mouths
of many fans. The NWA never did

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recover, nor did it ever again
draw over ten thousand fans to the Colosseum.

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Because of the Colosseum's decision to book
n WA cards, the WWF pulled

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out of Nassau for several months and
didn't return until this past October, and

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doing so, the ww have delivered
a clear message to Colosseum officials. If

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you want us, you can't have
them, and after the NWA's failures,

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the Colosseum's decision was an easy one. We'd also be foolish to think that

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the hierarchy at Madison Square Garden,
sitting only twenty miles away in the heart

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of Manhattan, wasn't watching this experiment. Have we seen the last of the

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NWA in New York, the most
lucrative sports market in the country. Now

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we pretty much hid. They certainly
came back. I can try it again.

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But yeah, yeah, there was
actual hope that this was, you

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know, Crockett's CounterPunch to Vince closing
in on their on their towns and their

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circuits, and not so much the
nwas. I mean, they certainly tried

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to go in some Crockett markets and
had some success. Baltimore was heavily contested,

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for instance, in towns in Virginia
and such, and it's not like

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they totally avoided North Carolina. But
no one had any high expectations for those

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markets. But here you have Crocketts
saying, all right, this is a

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national battle. Let let's go right
in any New York. Let's put our

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better wrestlers and better matches in there, and let's you know, leave the

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wrestling fan with the impression that we're
the place to go if you want real

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wrestling, the kind of wrestling that
you know, you went to see Bruno

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do in the sixties or whatever the
fuck. So this was sort of like

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their attempt to be national. I
mean, I didn't I didn't go,

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you know, I was didn't see
Bruno. But I don't think I don't

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think that Bess would have been I
don't think Bruno would have done this.

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No, now you would. You
would have gone home pretty satisfied. Yeah,

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yeah, right, kick somebody's ass. He would. He would have

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kick some ass. And you know, Dusty kick does here too. It's

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it's kind of ironic. He basically
does do here what Bruno would do,

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except the fans. It's not like
everyone showed up to see Dusty kick ass.

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People showed up to see the alternative
wrestling product put their best foot forward.

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They almost certainly showed up more to
see Rick Flair alive in action in

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the New York market than they did
to see Dusty, for instance, And

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that was one of the big things
that Meltzer would to cry. And the

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observer at the time was that,
like, they're just don't have the courage

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to turn Rick Flair baby face,
but it's very clear that he's the only

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shot they have at a champion that
can actually define the brand, and everybody

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wants to cheer him. People are
sick of booing him. They're sick of

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him getting fucking knocked around for forty
five minutes and escaping by the skin of

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his teeth and yet still be the
only real wrestler they care about in the

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company. But they just didn't didn't
turn baby face. Flair don want to

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do it. Of course, come
eighty nine after the just by Jim hurdon

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well by Turner and Jim Hurd getting
put into power Flare does have a wonderful

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baby face run in nineteen ninety nine, a legendary one, but I tries

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to undo it as quickly as he
can. At the same time, because

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he wasn't the best man on the
world limit, he didn't want to be

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a baby face, never did,
so that's that. Plus there was a

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string of no shows on the card, which we'll talk about, and that

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wasn't just an issue for this market, and this event is what happened.

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That's the problem. He wasn't right, but they were having a lot of

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trouble with that in a lot of
towns, no shows. As they pushed

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into these new markets. They're trying
La, They're trying big time markets.

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They're doing Dallas. Of course,
after buying the u WF the Bill Watts

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Company in nineteen eighty seven and moving
the Jim Crockett Promotions offices from Charlotte to

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Dallas, they start to try to
make a push and set down roots in

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Texas. Jim Ross, who of
course came with the purchase and who calls

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this bunkhouse stampede event with Bob Coddle, actually bought a house in Plano,

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Texas and within like five months had
to sell it at yes yes, yes,

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yes, yes. Jimmy Crockett was
talking himself into saying that being in

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Dallas made him a bigger deal and
made them more polished from a standpoint of

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trying to make a national push into
non JCP markets. And you started insisting,

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just like the Bridge trying to copy
events, that everybody live in the

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sort of the area around the office. And then Turner buys the thing and

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now everyone's got to move to Atlanta, So fucking what a joke. Under

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the same guys, Yeah, yeah, really really a joke when you consider

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that all this stuff is happening,
all this window dressing stuff is happening,

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those money's being spent, and there's
no plan to make the wrestling more interesting,

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right, right, to invigorate the
actual thing that sells tickets and makes

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people watch the TV. Nah,
who means that shit? And as we'll

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get to it basically comes down to
the fact that Jim Crockett had no ability

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to see past sty in terms of
what could be a who could be a

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successful booker for his company. You
know, he just he was swept up

404
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.519
by the magic Dusty brought in eighty
three and eighty four. Well, you

405
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.839
know, I am Dusty's just brought. He just keeps on bringing it.

406
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.200
Yep. So how how could I
you know, you know what they say,

407
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.519
you know, don't fix you know, no point fixing something that it

408
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.240
ain't broke. Yeah, exactly,
Jim, I don't. I don't not

409
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.119
mean, I just look at I
look at look dust just it just keeps

410
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:34.200
on bringing the goods. So I
don't. I don't, I don't,

411
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.279
I don't. I don't see what's
the problem. Don't fix something if it

412
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.559
ain't broke, just fix it.
When you are broke. That's that's kind

413
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:53.079
of a well, uh what right, exactly my sentiments. So it's basically

414
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.960
an unwillingness from you know, for
Dusty his supercard, you know, last

415
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:04.000
Angle in Tampa, st Arcade Mega
event formula worked beautifully before Vince Junior decided

416
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:10.640
to define what a major league wrestling
product looked like with production values and infrastructure

417
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.039
that you know, Crockett could never
match because as much as Crockett took the

418
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.720
national TV slot and pushed into New
York in LA and big markets, he

419
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:19.960
never sort of upgraded the core in
terms of like who's in the office,

420
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.359
who's running production, how many editing
facilities do we have? None? They

421
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.000
had to do everything lives to tape
because they had no editing base. According

422
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.440
to Tony Schivanni, and he knew
the contrast because he went to work for

423
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.079
WWF in nineteen eighty nine and took
a look at what they had and was

424
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:38.079
like, holy shit, copying,
how was Crockett even putting a wrestling show

425
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.440
out that was you know, sort
of presentable in the marketplace without this kind

426
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.799
of equipment and resources. It's not
Klondike bill on on payroll. Although you

427
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.880
know, there's not to say Klondike
Buil didn't do a good job. He

428
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.680
stayed employed. These are all good
old boys that worked for you fucking father.

429
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.039
You know, yeah, I did
a fine job doing that because you

430
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.480
know, I'll tell you how I
know I did a fine job of that

431
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.240
because every time I went back to
home, I was able to afford bringing

432
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:08.440
a woman back with me to sit
up on table. Exactly right, that's

433
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:15.839
exactly right, bring into the table
as they say, oh oh, oh,

434
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:22.160
he was Did you hear your mama
sound like that? Whoa, whoa,

435
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.119
It's a lot. Parlors were fine, but Klondike Bill really got excited

436
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:37.240
when they legalized the table games in
his and that is to say he he

437
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.319
lays on his back underneath the glass
table and has a woman ship on the

438
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:45.519
table while charps off. Can you
do? Is that allow? We're about

439
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.599
to find out, Bill, what
would you do for a Klondike Bill?

440
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:57.559
Uh? What what would you do
for a bill that actually is delivered on

441
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.920
when you buy your ticket and show
up to the building. Here's Tony Schavani's

442
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:06.880
in this podcast covering this show,
talking about the reaction of the fans when

443
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:11.759
they realized that the show is already
over, and I remember the talk being

444
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:17.599
about, you know, these tickets. These tickets are incorrect, both of

445
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.200
them, the one that says eight
o'clock is wrong, the one that says

446
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.599
seven o'clock is wrong. And we're
gonna start at six thirty. And I

447
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.799
remember someone saying, well, they're
just getting some bonus stuff, and I

448
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.920
remember thinking, they're not getting bonus
stuff. They'll get here and they'll think

449
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.240
they've been fucked out of something that
they paid for, which is what they

450
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:38.200
basically what they were. And I
remember, distinctly, because I was a

451
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.079
ring announcer, the booing that you
heard at the end of it was not

452
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.400
necessarily because that Dusty had won,
Because I think dust he had a lot

453
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.920
of his fans, and I think
that's he got a very big pop that

454
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.599
night. I think it was because
this event was all of a sudden over

455
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.720
and a lot of the people got
there at eight o'clock when we saw an

456
00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:00.519
hour's worth of stuff and miss some
good shit, or what they thought was

457
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:07.880
good shit at that time. The
opposite wasn't over. That's the problem.

458
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.680
That's correct. JJ Dillon was,
of course number two to Dusty in terms

459
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.559
of the booking regime. He would
handle, you know, cards much lowered

460
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:19.920
down cards. Dust the dust he
didn't care about, you know, preliminary

461
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.559
feuds and matches and towns. And
also, you know, they absorbed Florida

462
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:29.160
Championship Wrestling and they're still running like
Florida's specific house shows with different crews during

463
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.799
the course of this time. They're
also running shows with a lot of the

464
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:36.160
u WF guys in old mid South
towns that aren't even JCP shows. They're

465
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:40.279
just like other things that Dusty is
pretending he can keep track of and intend

466
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:45.039
to. And Dylan also was responsible
for things like you know, timing the

467
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:51.000
show and all of that. So
Dylan was also party to the disaster this

468
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.759
thing was. And he did a
timeline conversation with Sean Oliver at KFB Commentaries

469
00:32:55.160 --> 00:33:00.799
about this particular night, and here's
what he remembers about all this band.

470
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:07.759
And you want to expand everywhere,
and it wasn't a question of you know,

471
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.359
going into the heart of somebody else's
territory. But when you when you

472
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:19.279
have a national television show like the
TBS program that went everywhere, it was

473
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:24.480
seen everywhere, and you have to
think in terms of being a national promotion,

474
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.640
maybe a worldwide promotion, but national
at that point, and where Crockett

475
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:37.200
started as an a mid Atlantic territory
and then a little by little started branching

476
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:46.039
out these other places major markets.
New York is a major market eventually to

477
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:53.839
be perceived as a true national promotion, it's hard not to say, well,

478
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.880
you know, I want to make
have a presence in New York.

479
00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.759
Now, maybe you can't get into
Madison Square Garden. That's what it's gonna

480
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.920
would they not, because Vince was
running the omni, It would seem only

481
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.079
it makes sense that they would try
to put the stake in the hardpack onto

482
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.199
the garden. But would you have
some kind of have some kind of exclusivity

483
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:15.360
with them. Exclusivity is a very
bad word to use. You should never

484
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:21.119
use exclusivity because you can you can
you could challenge that on legal grounds.

485
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.519
But Vince was a very smart man, and he had a man named Ed

486
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:35.079
Cohen who was booking the arenas.
And because they had longevity in running major

487
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:39.719
buildings, their logic as presented to
the building was look, I'm a regular

488
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:45.280
repeat customer and we're in this together, and we we've done well in the

489
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.199
past. We want to continue to
do well. And the only thing I'm

490
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:57.679
saying is we don't want another very
similar product to come in, say,

491
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.920
six weeks to two months before our
date. And by the same token,

492
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:06.679
we don't want a competing product to
come in six weeks to two months or

493
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:14.000
whatever the time frame was after just
to give us that distance. Well,

494
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:20.840
I forget the exact terminology that they
use prime tenant, and so it's a

495
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:27.519
kind of a concession that you would
give to a guy that's that's a regular

496
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.400
customer. Yeah, you don't want
to get sued, and here's a new

497
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.519
guy, and you want to give
him a chance, but you also want

498
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.360
to take care of somebody who's who's
done good business with you over a long

499
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:45.719
period of time. So that window
of exclusion on both sides kept. Vince

500
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.199
was running the garden every three weeks, so there were no dates in the

501
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.199
guard because he had a prime tenant
status. What was the company's initial reaction

502
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.039
to was there any kind of well
going up to New York? Now?

503
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.239
Was it? Was it a big
deal to the talent. I don't think

504
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.719
as big a deal to the talent. I equate a lot of things to

505
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.000
baseball. You know, they talk
about, you know, the Yankee Red

506
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:13.559
Sox rivalry, and I think the
media and maybe the fans get more revved

507
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:19.440
up. Not that the players don't
think those encounters are important. They do.

508
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.360
But except for maybe a few isolated
individuals, it's not a hate hate

509
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:28.960
thing. We're all in the business
together. But there is a pride factor,

510
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.880
you know. It's like, well, you know they're there and they're

511
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.360
doing well. I'm here and doing
well, and if I can go up

512
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.880
there and do well too, that
says something about my value in the industry

513
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.159
as a whole. So a lot
there, But I think one of the

514
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.320
keys honed in on is you know, the arena exclusivity and how bad a

515
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:52.320
word it is to use exclusivity,
yep, because you can't really put on

516
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:58.599
paper that you can't book any other
wrestling company in this building because it's you

517
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.639
know, you run into antitrust concern. It's like, right, it was

518
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:06.199
actually really impinging someone else's ability to
compete in the marketplace. However, and

519
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.800
I think the Pro Wrestling Illustrated snippet
we read puts it even better than JJ

520
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.440
does in his exposition there, like, look, that's fine, we can't

521
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.280
tell you to not let JCP in, but we can tell you we're not

522
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.480
coming back if you do, right, And that's what it appears. W

523
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:29.519
WF did is I see there's actually
a date that's flashed on the marquee at

524
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.760
the Nassau Coliseum during Bunk House Stampede. You only see it in a couple

525
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:36.199
of frames, but if you squint, it's advertising a February, a late

526
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.000
February return to the Nassau Coliseum and
just as wrestling, and I was like,

527
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:44.559
wow, are they actually advertising a
WWF card in the on the big

528
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:49.119
screen or whatever on the the thing, Oh my god, But they weren't.

529
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.360
It was it was a JCP event, which might bolster the notion that

530
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.119
Vince, you know, said all
right, fine, you guys are gonna

531
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.679
let them in. We'll see you
later. We'll be at the garden.

532
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:04.039
You know, if you don't,
if you don't value us enough to write.

533
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.960
But the closest you can get to
writing that down is, you know,

534
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.840
six weeks of this way or that
way, prime tenant status, all

535
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.920
this shit, and so you know, with the amount of lead time you

536
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.360
need to make a decision on a
building. And the nature of the war

537
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.440
was such that you're making decisions in
real time. Like the Royal Rumble,

538
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.440
as we talked about last time.
I mean it was basically decided on a

539
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.679
month out from the show, which
is insane. Which is insane, you

540
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:30.519
know, do a live television special
of that caliber and importance to them with

541
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.199
so little notice just sort of speaks
to the urgency of the time they're especially

542
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:38.159
on the wwfside, trying to respond
to demand for their product. They're not

543
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:43.119
even pushing it out there. They're
not even deciding on their own to do

544
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.519
something and then shopping it around.
They're being told, we need something because

545
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:50.440
this thing does such great ratings for
us, from the Slammies to Rumble to

546
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.639
the NBC specials. It's like,
you need, we need this, and

547
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.480
it's like, okay, well,
let's scramble to set up a tent somewhere

548
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.519
so that we have something to do
for this date. And so in that

549
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.039
kind of an environment, you're never
going to have enough time to consider.

550
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.519
Okay, let's make sure we're six
weeks out from the next time they come

551
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.000
to New York before we try to
book. Say, it's like, do

552
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.400
you never have that much lead time
in an environment and an atmosphere like this,

553
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.480
Right, So I thought that was
an important point that he made.

554
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:21.480
But also so j JJ, how
did it work out? You know,

555
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.199
you did get to New York with
the ticket thing? This date is notable

556
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:32.800
because this Bunkhouse Stampede pay per view
is going up against WWE's first Royal Rumble,

557
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.559
which they give away for free on
USA basically to counter the pay per

558
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.920
view that was announced prior. So
with them going head to head like that,

559
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.320
did Crockett do anything to prevent Vince's
free program from being given away on

560
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:50.679
the date that they had a pay
per view? Where is there basically nothing

561
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.440
you can do if somebody has that
TV time, probably nothing that you could

562
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:59.800
brother is something that you can do. The what ultimately happens, I mean,

563
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.199
it's it's a competitive environment. Everybody's
trying to you know, protect their

564
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.800
own turf, protect what they have. But the other thing that happens too

565
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:15.079
in the television industry, the television
industry doesn't want to get into a situation

566
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:22.280
where they're involved in a war.
The pay per view company wants to see

567
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.519
every pay per view do incredibly well. So I'm I bet you there was

568
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:36.800
more pressure within the television executive area
with you know, this is what I

569
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:38.159
normally expect to do with a pay
per view, and this is what I

570
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:42.960
did while you're airing this. You
know, hey, what are you doing?

571
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.599
You know? And a lot of
times the decisions weren't that simple because

572
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:51.800
you have strong personalities and they're they're
both trying to take that next big step

573
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.760
forward. But the television industry doesn't
like to see things like that where and

574
00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:00.920
that's why they As time went on, you saw less and less of that,

575
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.880
and people would move pay per view
dates, so you didn't you never

576
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.639
you wouldn't have two major pay per
views competing with each other on the same

577
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.880
night, because the pay per view
people are are more of the ultimate losers.

578
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:15.920
Yeah, and that's ultimately we called
the truce was the cable industry stepping

579
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.199
in and saying shit like because I
forget, you know, the cable industry

580
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.519
made money on these pay per views. This is a huge revenue stream for

581
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.679
them. Then you know, right, of course you're paying your cable provider

582
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.400
for this. They don't even have
to split it in the same way with

583
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.360
like an ESPN or whatever, you
know channel that they're paying to retransmit,

584
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.599
right, So they're not fucking around, like this is their wallet that you're

585
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:40.039
harming by playing your little games.
And so basically, by WrestleMania five,

586
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.280
when they countered with the Clash special, that was what was a flair funk?

587
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.559
I think it was no no,
it was something no no. That

588
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.400
was steam boat which one oh and
wrestle Mania five. Yeah, yeah,

589
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.039
that was the two out of three
false teamboat flair match in New Orleans.

590
00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:00.800
Yeah, that's pretty much the last
time that a tape of view event from

591
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.039
one or the other was countered with
a live television special by the other guys.

592
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.239
And that's classic jconp big Brother getting
Big Brother Like at n WAWCW Big

593
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.719
Brother like, Okay, we're gonna
do it to you. And by that

594
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:15.280
point Vince has already won. It's
like I had, you know, put

595
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.000
Flair Sting against WrestleMania four, put
a Flair Steamboat against WrestleMania five. It'll

596
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.559
be fine because I've already proven to
the pay per view providers that when push

597
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.079
comes to shove, they need my
show more than they need yours. Would

598
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.599
they like to have both on different
nights they could collect as much money as

599
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.039
possible. Yes, yes, of
course, but you're not harming me by

600
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:36.519
doing your live show. You're not. And eventually, as we've talked about

601
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:39.480
when we covered that clash, the
cable company said enough, like you guys

602
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.000
need to stop doing this, or
like it's going to be difficult for you.

603
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.599
I'm putting words in their mouth,
but I'd imagine the implied leverage.

604
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.239
What's it's going to be difficult to
you to schedule what you'd like to schedule

605
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:54.119
if we keep having to worry about
you? You know? Yeah, that

606
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.719
makes total sense. So this is
this is sort of like those early days

607
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.440
where like Cable knew they wanted wrestling, but they didn't. I don't think

608
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:07.320
necessarily realize how pitched the battle was
between Vince and Crockett, and how far

609
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:13.599
Vince was willing to go to Like
there's no battle. I'm not fighting him.

610
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:20.519
It we're competing. I don't,
you know, I don't. I

611
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.119
don't want to good to put the
Royal Rumble on another Sunday night. I

612
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.119
mean we had it was the night
you know the show was booked. Timing.

613
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.000
I mean, I don't see anybody
else change in plans. Well,

614
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.920
he already knew that was going to
be that night. And Bruce Pritchet,

615
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.599
you are you are you are presuming
things. You are presuming that I am

616
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.159
an individual that follows what is what
what Jim Crockett was doing. I don't

617
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:54.239
know. I don't know a Pritchard
unless you're talking about the doctor of desire,

618
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.639
Tom Pritchard, which I most certainly
am not and probably never would.

619
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.519
So then I don't I don't know
any of the Pritchard Do you know any

620
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:09.440
other doctors of desire? Myself,
I'm very desirable and I have a doctorate

621
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:14.639
in that. How did you manage
to get triple H off the board?

622
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:19.719
That was a really slick one board? Well, I mean, listen,

623
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:27.000
the the the thing about you know, the the political nature of a board

624
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:31.159
of directors is is the thing?
And and did I get triple H off

625
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:36.239
the board? You know? I
mean it is sure, it's easy to

626
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.320
say that, you know, But
at the same time, you know I'm

627
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:45.840
not the only member of the board, right yea, uh so yes,

628
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:51.800
let's not forget that while this abomination
is happening in New York, uh Jim

629
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.800
Crockett Promotions is pretending that they can
do a show at the Orange County Convention

630
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:59.559
Center in Orlando in that same night
that anybody will come to headlined by Ron

631
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:05.000
Garvin ver Stick Moreno going to cage
there, Brad Armstrong and Ricky Santana versus

632
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.119
Eddie Gilbert and the terminator in the
car. And you better believe Bugsy McGraw

633
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:13.079
is nowhere near Dusty at this point. We've talked about how Bugsy straight up

634
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:17.559
slap Dusty at one point. Oh
my god, Bugsy McGraw. Now this

635
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.519
all sounds very chaotic, and I
thought it was a great point made by

636
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.360
one of the one of the most
unbelievable members of the Solar System, Matt,

637
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.880
who always provides such great backup to
us as we prepare episodes. And

638
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.039
he was just a hungry Philadelphia based
Crockett fan at the time. He was

639
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:40.679
so into how how NWA contrasted with
WWF, and he says, actually,

640
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:46.199
the chaos that you know everyone seems
to recount when they revisit the Crockett of

641
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.800
this era was actually part of its
appeal. And I thought this was a

642
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.400
perspective worth wow. Looking right in
here, Matt writes one more thing I

643
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.480
want to say, Well, this
is top of mind that that JCP chaos,

644
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.519
the inconsistent branding, the unpredictable appearances, jobbers who are never named,

645
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:06.920
broadcast locations that are never identified,
references to past and future events that I'd

646
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:12.280
never heard of and would never see
that MESSI maybe it didn't happen. Maybe

647
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.119
it didn't happen either, right,
yeah, little did you know? Like

648
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.760
that's the thing they're referencing the bunk
House Stampede to sell this pay per view.

649
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.440
The bunk House Stampede was never on
television. They showed clips of matches

650
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.360
sometimes, but also according to Wikipedia, there's one more. They called this

651
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.639
the third annual, but there was
a fourth one after this, before this,

652
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:35.679
before this was the last one.
Yeah, I mean yeah, let

653
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:37.719
me let me yeah, yeah,
please take a look. It's hard because

654
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.199
you know what they would do is
they would do a serious of bunk House

655
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.159
Battle royals, and then the winners
of all of them would face off in

656
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.559
a big finale, and the big
finale would be the one for the half

657
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.559
a million dollars and this big fucking
boot, this trophy boot that would be

658
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.480
filled with all the cash, this
big cowboy boot. So, according to

659
00:46:54.559 --> 00:47:02.320
Wikipedia, there were four Bunk House
Stampede matches eighty five eighty six, eighty

660
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.760
seven, eighty eight, Yeah,
that's right. Yeah, they call this

661
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:13.599
third annual the third annual. Yeah, that's that's not right. That doesn't

662
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:19.519
job with my understanding. The fourth
annual. I wonder if that first that

663
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.960
first year may not have been called
a stampede, because I feel like the

664
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.719
stampede piece of it is supposed to
a bunk House Battle Royal. The idea

665
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:29.559
of the stampede was it was all
the winners of the bunk House Battle Royals

666
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:31.320
on the circuit, We're coming together. I'm not sure in eighty five they

667
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.639
did it that way. It may
have just been a one off recording.

668
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:36.920
Again, I mean not that I'm
saying this is the most accurate thing in

669
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.480
the world, but it's probably.
Again. According to uh Wikipedia, the

670
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.440
concept says in nineteen eighty five,
the nwas Jimcarcker Product Promotions come up with

671
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.199
a new match to increase the fans
interest in their product, the bunk House

672
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:55.239
Stampede. Yeah, all right,
Stampede's right there. Yeah, so yeah.

673
00:47:55.239 --> 00:48:00.920
The inconsistent branding, unpredictable appearances,
jobbers who never named broadcast locations,

674
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.239
never identified references to past events,
You'll never see Matt writes, all of

675
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.840
that was part of its charm and
a lure back in eighty eight when I

676
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:09.760
was a kid watching in Philly.
It's only a detriment now as an adult

677
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.719
watching it as a television productive.
Wait, I see why, I see

678
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:21.119
why it's different. I'm reading now. Sorry, But because in eighty seven

679
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.480
there was no stampede match. It
was eighty seven that didn't have the stampede

680
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:30.039
match. Yes it was. It
was the right They didn't have the match.

681
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:36.880
It was whoever won the most battle
Royals would would was the winner,

682
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:45.559
right without a finale, And that
meant that I think the and well,

683
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:52.400
I mean kind kind of because so
at the end of the these fucking idiotic

684
00:48:53.280 --> 00:49:00.920
things, Dusty and Big Bubba Rogers, we're tied for most wins. And

685
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:07.679
then they had a two man steel
cage bunk house match. Right, it

686
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.519
was a one on one match almost
where you had to throw your opponent over

687
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:12.920
the top of the cage. Oh
god, okay, so there was some

688
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.599
precedent for the cage element of it, but that was just a one on

689
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:17.039
the daddy. We did it with
a two man prevent baby, we can

690
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:21.800
do it with eight men. If
you know what I'm talking about Daddy.

691
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.559
We're fan. Will build the cage, baby, We build the cage high

692
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:29.519
and toe all the way to heaven
itself, and we'd take people up they

693
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.039
off. We'd take our opponents and
we'll toss them over the cage of the

694
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:36.679
floor. Opponents, they should have
been bunk beds in there. Make it

695
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.199
look like a real cowboy bunkhouse.
You should have been a bunk bed stampede.

696
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.280
I brought this up last time,
and we were talking about bunk house

697
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.599
stampede. I think during the art
of war games. What's the movie where

698
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:46.679
all the cowboys stay in a room
for like ninety percent of it and shoot

699
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:52.280
each other over time? Oh God, here we go. Is it a

700
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:58.199
Coen Brothers movie or a or a
Tarantino movie? Oh oh oh Hateful eight?

701
00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:59.920
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, they're all on that

702
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.800
fucking thing. Yeah. Sure.
As the historical precedent that this is like

703
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:06.360
it, we'll get into kind of
like a cowboys mythology thing, the idea

704
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:07.559
of the punk house. I mean
it, it existed. It's not like

705
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:12.519
a it's not like a fabrication.
But this is sort of like a dramatization

706
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:14.719
of it. So there you go
all right, I knew it was some

707
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.159
element of that. I thought it
was the first year that wasn't the same,

708
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.800
But of course, this being nonsensical, would be the third year.

709
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.400
Yeah, the third year they changed
things up, just like the It's the

710
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:27.559
equivalent of adding forty men into the
Royal Rumble. Well, it's wild that

711
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.960
you mentioned Bubba Rogers because we mentioned
last week in the Rumble coverage that well,

712
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.719
you know, Bossman is not in
the Rumble right around the time of

713
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.519
the Rumble as when word starts to
hit the sheets that he's coming in,

714
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.119
And that was a big blow because
Dusty was really building up Bubba to be

715
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:43.000
a top heel. It really his
top foil, like the next in line

716
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.360
after you know, the Niki to
feud and then the Tully Blanchard feud.

717
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.079
Of course, you know that was
a that was a big role to have,

718
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.719
the heel that would give Dusty a
run for his money on the circuit,

719
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.199
and Bubba was primed and that one
really was said to bruise Dusty when

720
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:00.719
when they signed away boss Man,
who was very unhappy with his Star Kade

721
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:06.079
eighty seven payoff and wasn't shy about
letting people know about it. So,

722
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.079
I mean I didn't. I didn't
know about that, that he was being

723
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:14.559
groomed for anything. I just didn't. And I said, well, you

724
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:16.239
know, I mean, if you
need there's a talented side of a bitch.

725
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.119
He's like a big guy, he
can move, he's fast. I

726
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.039
didn't. I didn't. I didn't
mean Dusty any harm. I just was.

727
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:25.960
I mean, if he had told
me he had plans, I would

728
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:35.800
have never signed boss Man. Is
that right? And I mean that to

729
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:39.079
be a trick question. Uh so, yeah, back when I was a

730
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.199
gid watching in Philly, it's only
a detriment. Now was an adult,

731
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:45.000
he says, watching as a television
production. I was ten years old when

732
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.480
this pay per view happened, and
jcpn WA was not a TV show.

733
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.960
I think I mentioned this in an
email years ago. But my impression was

734
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:55.000
that these wrestlers were constantly fighting each
other, and every week they turned cameras

735
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.639
on so we could all watch some
of it up north. Wow, that's

736
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.880
what it out like. It felt
dangerous, like horror movies that I wasn't

737
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.440
allowed to watch or something. I
wouldn't have had that feeling if it was

738
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.880
polished. And it's a feeling I
really enjoy revisiting only eighties JCP in early

739
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.480
nineties WCW gives it to me.
Maybe that's part of my own loose association

740
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:21.760
with JCP slash WCW in the autumn
Horror, Blood Chaos, screaming, Yes,

741
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.320
let's fucking go. And this is
also a great place to put some

742
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:29.920
of the wonderful feedback we got to
the Rumble Lady eight episode, filling in

743
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.280
a few holes that we had in
terms of, you know, how the

744
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:36.800
show was put together and presented at
the time, for sure, and in

745
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.719
the spirit of kind of keeping with
what we're trying to achieve here and painting

746
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.559
the picture of this this very important
night in the business. January twenty fourth,

747
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:47.880
nineteen eighty eight, across two podcasts, I thought we'd we'd take some

748
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.119
time to pass on some some words, this one from from Stephen Boss.

749
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.599
I wish you could share it.
What's wonderful here is that Stephen was sitting

750
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.679
in the position of somebody living in
Canada as it to be a fan at

751
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:06.280
the time, watching television on Canada, watching WWF Canadian television, and it's

752
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.679
fascinating to hear him describe how the
rumble was presented to him as someone who

753
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:13.159
theoretically could have bought a ticket to
this show, and therefore was much more

754
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:17.679
I pressed upon by the hype co
chairs. I heard you discussing the eighty

755
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.440
eight Rumble and in its promotion locally
in Hamilton, and so I thought I

756
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.320
would toss you a little context,
as I was lucky enough to see the

757
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:30.239
whole thing as a seven year old
hulkamaniac. The show was in fact promoted

758
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.920
as a big deal, not just
another house show. Cops Colosseum was a

759
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.480
brand newish eighteen thousand seed venue,
a state of the art rink in those

760
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:44.039
days. It was because it was
booked because Vince always loved christening new buildings.

761
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.159
It would look good as a full
house on TV, and he'd benefit

762
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:51.760
from the tax breaks in the American
dollar exchange while producing TV. It wasn't

763
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.239
just another show on the loop.
Cops was specifically booked on short notice for

764
00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.519
this TV special. In those days, the localized promos for ron Into area

765
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.320
events were shot at the Airport Howard
Johnson, where everybody stayed on or backstage

766
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:07.920
at Maple Leaf Gardens. This was
still the era of the blue backdrop with

767
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:14.760
white WWE logos for promos. Our
promos were handled by local TV legend Billy

768
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:19.719
Red Lions. Billy promoted this card
over and over again on local TV for

769
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.400
a month leading up to the show. He first announced it as a special

770
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:29.639
added event separate from the usual monthly
MLG House show, which was still going

771
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.119
on as usual. He'd encourage you
to buy tickets to both events and stress

772
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:36.800
the need to buy tickets to the
added Hamilton's show as well as the regular

773
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.679
Toronto show using two points one.
This Royal Rumble was a special event that

774
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:44.840
would be broadcast on TV only in
the United States. USA was then remains

775
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:49.480
now unavailable on Canadian cable. Well, then wouldn't be USA, would it?

776
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.480
No? It wouldn't right, No, I call USA if it's in

777
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:59.119
Canada anyway, So the only way
you could see this unique show was to

778
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:05.480
be there live in person. Billy's
catchphrase don't shut damn miss it carried extra

779
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:09.559
weight here He's stressed filling the arena
so as to well represent the local wrestling

780
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:14.159
scene too. The names of the
Royal Rebel entrance would be drawn from a

781
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:19.480
hat. The first time Billy mentioned
this in What Jack Tubby fully suited and

782
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:23.679
wearing a black fedora. At that
point, I considered briefly that this might

783
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:30.199
be a troll email. But ah, I'm just about to head out that

784
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:36.920
Jack Tunny or is you know what? Are they fucking Philip Marlow? Jesus

785
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.960
Marlow? Yes? Is that it
is that the detective? I think so?

786
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:43.880
I was going to say, is
that Jack Tunny? Or is that

787
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:49.639
Jack Abramoff? This likely suggests a
Maple Leaf Gardens taping in December of eighty

788
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:55.679
seven, Tony took off his hat
and explained that every every few minutes at

789
00:55:55.719 --> 00:56:01.920
the time, every few minutes and
under termined amount of time a new participant

790
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:07.239
will be able to enter the match. It could be thirty seconds, it

791
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:14.000
could be ten hours, but you
can't win until everyone's come out. Uh,

792
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.920
Jack, it can't be ten hours. I'll quibble with that. Why,

793
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:27.880
brother, I'm what I'm cut?
Sorry, Jack, we shouldn't have

794
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.119
Can you not throw curveballs like that? Please? What? We're trying to

795
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:36.320
get a shoot done here? Jacket's
fine? Hold on all right? Hold

796
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:43.880
on to what? What? Am
I holding on too? Too? Please?

797
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:50.320
Continue? I remember then he would
pull a wrestler's name out of his

798
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.559
hat. He then demonstrated he fucked
around with some slips of paper in the

799
00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.360
hat, pulled out one and Red
and Reddit Don Racco. He said,

800
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:06.320
I wish the stuff was on tape. I don't know. He and Billy

801
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.119
then explained the rumble and how it
worked to viewers at home. So what

802
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.159
you're saying, oh, no,
no, this is him. So what

803
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.480
you're saying, mister President, is
that Dom Morocco was chosen first, he'd

804
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:21.280
be at a great disadvantage type shit. These were two minute spots. As

805
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:23.880
the weeks went by, different participants
would walk in front of the interview backdrop

806
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:30.480
and talk to Billy while he continued
to hold Jack Dunny's hat. The hat

807
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:34.039
and the idea of pulling names out
of it became a key part of the

808
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.559
promotion, so much so that when
I first saw the eighty at Royal Rumble

809
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.800
via bootleg tape trade, I was
disappointed to not see Jack Tunny and his

810
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:45.840
mother fucking hat. It was very
odd to see this show promoted so heavily,

811
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:50.280
have the rules being explained so regularly, and then have it just seemingly

812
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.400
disappear forever. I didn't beg my
parents to take me to the show,

813
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.599
because they also mentioned that Hulk and
Andre would be would be having it,

814
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.480
would have a contract signing, and
so my kid Bring computed that as Hulks

815
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:05.559
not wrestling to the show must be
bullshit filler. Also, it bears mentioning

816
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:09.679
that everybody, and I mean everybody
called it the Rumble Royal or Rumble Royal.

817
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.880
Thanks for the hard work you Fedora
tipping badass legends and don't you dare

818
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:21.840
miss it a wonderfully male man.
That's stuff that's totally lost yep, because,

819
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.800
like he pointed out, if you
watched ww television in the United States,

820
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:29.599
you would have seen none of this. That's so amazing at these unique

821
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.039
shoots they would do for the Canadian
market and of course a market that they

822
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:37.639
had taken over by getting into business
with the Tunnies after they were working with

823
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.480
Crockett. It was those early Crockett
eighty four, eighty three, eighty two.

824
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:44.360
You know, you would see all
kinds of shows from Maple Leaf Gardens

825
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:52.400
that Crockett would staff not vince so
so truly tremendous stuff. And man would

826
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.679
love to see the footage of Jack
Tunney with a Fedora. Said a lot

827
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:04.119
of first Royal Rumble Please, that's
like necessary, highly necessary, and great

828
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:08.119
color there that Steve brings because the
impression I got listening to Pritcher talk about

829
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:12.440
it in reading was that this show
was sort of it was on the it

830
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:16.880
was on the schedule for a generic
Hamilton's House show. But when you put

831
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.960
together the missing piece, which I
did not know, that Cops Coliseum was

832
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:24.199
brand spanking new, and that you
know, Steve's conviction that this show was

833
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.800
specifically added to the calendar because they
had the Royal Rumble concept in mind and

834
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.039
it wasn't just another thing they already
had on the calendar that, like Pritcher

835
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.920
talked about, that was proximate to
television equipment that they knew they could use

836
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.159
to do this thing, and the
tax advantages. So there's a lot of

837
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:43.000
wrinkles there. But I guess that's
the historical question, is what was there

838
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:46.440
going to be a show in Hamilton's
without the Rumble or was it specifically selected

839
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.840
from it? So the world may
never know. I'm not sure they're even

840
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.840
accustomed to doing Sunday night house shows
back then on the regular, they probably

841
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:00.639
worked, and they were running three
fucking times a night, so often back

842
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:07.119
then, and also from the Great
White North. Corey from Winnipeg, who

843
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.719
is such a wonderful resource for us
during our life and death of a wa

844
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.440
Winnipeg being of course in a Watown
who is able to live it and is

845
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:21.360
of a vintage that he can reflect
on what it's like to experience it as

846
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.119
a fan, which is a disadvantage
to us, who you know, we

847
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.000
were two years old when a lot
of the stuff is taking shape, or

848
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.199
four or six. Has this to
say about the eighty seven rumble piece we

849
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:34.480
talked about, you know, the
Saint Louis show that when trial ran the

850
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.679
Rumble that wasn't on television running.
Corey writes, your Coachairman, it may

851
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:39.760
be late in the summer, but
the release of the nineteen eight eight Royal

852
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:44.519
Rumble is like the rebirth of spring. Apologies if you did mention this and

853
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.239
I missed it, but I think
you may not have come across the following

854
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.559
nugget. In an article I read
last year about this event, the writer

855
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:53.480
noted a major gaff that was made
in Saint Louis at that eighty seven Rumble.

856
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:58.400
Before intermission, the ring announcer detailed
the tickets for next month's card would

857
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.199
be on sale that day. They
announced a few matches to entice the crowd,

858
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:07.239
including a main event of Hogan defending
against the One Man Gang. Prior

859
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:12.199
to the Rumble starting, they read
off the rules and declared that tonight's winner

860
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.400
of the Royal Rumble would receive a
title match next month. Wow. Since

861
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.480
they had already announced a Gang as
the challenger for that show, people realized

862
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.519
who was going to win the Rumble. That probably hurt it's enthusiasm. Yeah,

863
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:27.840
it's a factor and why it was
considered a dud. Sure enough,

864
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:30.400
that is how it played out.
A contingent of the crowd booed throughout the

865
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:35.440
Rumble as they already knew the outcome
Rumble Royal. I definitely remember hearing it

866
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.039
called this another Canadian saying this,
boss, here you go. In fact,

867
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:40.719
I'm pretty sure the VHS jacket was
printed that way for the eighty eight

868
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:46.960
event. I don't believe that's the
case. I don't know if it did,

869
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:52.239
it was I saw it. The
nineteen eighty eight Royal Rumble remained the

870
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.199
most elusive card for me. We
never had USA Network, so while I

871
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:59.480
saw some info and syndicated TV about
it. We had no access for some

872
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:02.320
reason. Rental never came to any
stores. I called dozens of rental places

873
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:07.119
to no avail. I actually didn't
see this royal this rumble until nineteen ninety

874
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:08.599
three when a store finally had it. So yeah, they didn't have Wow,

875
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:13.559
I've never seen the VHS for this, I'm either of I. I

876
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:16.480
mean, I certainly certainly was not
around my neck of the woods. But

877
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:20.920
you know, this is a similar
thing for Crockett fans in terms of the

878
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.840
bunk house Stampede. They've just seen
snippets on television unless it came to your

879
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:28.119
town and you bought tickets. You
know, you're you're hearing about this thing

880
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.639
being referenced, but it was never
something that you could have watched while you

881
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:36.599
while you wanted to. So that
those are some helpful I think pieces of

882
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:40.320
context on the rumble side of things. So what is a bunk house?

883
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:46.559
That is a question definition. I
think it's this wikipedia a barracks like building

884
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:52.199
that historically was used to house working
cowboys on ranches. So that fits yea.

885
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:58.760
These cowboys are definitely working or loggers
in a logging camp in North America,

886
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.599
as most cowboys were young single men. The standard bunkhouse was a large,

887
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:06.599
open room with narrow beds or cots
for each individual in little privacy.

888
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.079
The bunk house of the late nineteenth
century was usually heated by a woodstove,

889
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:14.719
and personal needs were tended two in
a cook house and an outhouse. So

890
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:16.440
this is like, you know,
men were men, blah blah blah.

891
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.119
That's right. And while the Bunkhouse
Stampede was not a television presentation or special

892
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:27.679
or even like a closed circuit starcaded
ESK event as we mentioned, it definitely

893
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.840
was something that Dusty was keen to
move tickets for when it came to your

894
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.440
neck of the woods. So he
did back before he was completely fried.

895
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:37.440
From a creative standpoint, when they
launched the thing in nineteen eighty five,

896
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:42.719
put some real creative energy into telling
the story of what this bunk House Stampede

897
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.599
was to be, what sort of
mythology it was supposed to tap, what

898
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:52.119
it was supposed to represent, and
to explain this to the viewers of NWA

899
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:53.639
television at the time. Of course, this is eighty five, the year

900
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:58.679
that Crockett took TBS back from Vince, bought it from Vince. We should

901
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:02.360
say after it's got it in the
Black Saturday heist and then eventually found that

902
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:04.920
he wasn't going to be able to
work it out with Ted Turner. As

903
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:12.679
we discussed in sensational detail on our
Black Saturday coverage, It's back in the

904
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:16.960
hands of the n WA. Dusty's
motivated, he's telling stories. I'm not

905
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.719
sure this actually ever aired. I'm
pretty sure it did not on TBS,

906
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:27.840
but it did air on the the
n w A syndicated JCP syndicated networks,

907
01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:31.880
which included for years wpi X Channel
eleven in New York. That's an important

908
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.079
thing to mention in terms of,
like, you know, it's not just

909
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:40.800
TBS that New York wrestling fans would
have had to watch to see Jim Crockett

910
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:45.400
promotions in Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling.
They had a coverage on a very prominent

911
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:50.039
New York station as well. So
here is former junior heavyweight star in the

912
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:56.239
Territory Nelson Royal, donning a cowboy
hat and explaining in a vignette they are

913
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.519
done Crockett TV. Around Thanksgiving of
nineteen eighty five, just what this bunk

914
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.599
house Stampede is supposed to be all
about? Ladies and gentlemen back in the

915
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:11.039
Old West, when they had an
argument, they went outside and fought.

916
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:15.760
When they lived in that bunk house, all those people together, you always

917
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.480
had argument. We have a man
that's been in a bunk house fight before.

918
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:24.800
Let's listen to him. Nelson Royal, the world's junior heavyweight champion,

919
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:35.320
former junior heavyweight champion. Out a
brother, come in and have a cup

920
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:39.880
of coffees. I'm glad you could
make it because I've been asked to explain

921
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:45.719
a few things about a bunk house
stampede match, and I considered myself an

922
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.599
authority honor. But I was in
the first one it was ever held in

923
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:54.440
Texas, and I came out of
it with a broken arm. And where

924
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:58.519
they derived from, in the western
part of the country, where you hadn't

925
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:03.920
ten fifteen twenty men living in a
bunk house something like this behind us here,

926
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:08.679
and when you put men that close
together and you've got to have problems.

927
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:14.400
There's a lot of bad blood between
some people. One there was no

928
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:18.800
other way to settle it. To
get one thing, you went outside,

929
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.519
and you want the way you work. You might have your boots on,

930
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:28.440
you might have your jeans, have
your shirt, your spurs, whatever,

931
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:33.400
and that's how you went out.
And the winner of something like that was

932
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:39.559
the man that was left standing.
And now they've come along and said a

933
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:43.440
few years ago and they had the
funk house Spam teen the only funk seenor

934
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:47.679
had it in Texas, and it's
one of the wildest things you'll ever seen

935
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:53.920
in your life. The second worst
thing that you can be in the most

936
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.400
dangless nat is a battle royal where
you've got twenty men in the ring and

937
01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:00.679
the only way that you can be
eliminated is to be thrown over the top

938
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.679
rope. Or you take these two
and you combine them, put them together,

939
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:14.880
and you've got something that's really a
deadly match because money and greed and

940
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:23.000
bad blood make things a luck typer
than what they really are. Because you've

941
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:27.960
got men that come in this ring
and like I said, they can bring

942
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:31.559
anything they want to bring. The
are virtually no rooms, there's nothing to

943
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:35.280
stop the man from doing. And
you can bring the cowbell, you can

944
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:41.480
bring a good branding iron and whatever
you want. Because when you get into

945
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:45.840
this type of match, you have
no friends, because there's nuch there's no

946
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.800
such thing as a friend. When
you're in match, you have to watch

947
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:53.400
your back, to your front,
everything about you. You're in danger of

948
01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:57.679
being hurt and get broken legs because
the people flying around in the ring.

949
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:02.440
Like I said, when there's money
here in danger, there's a lot of

950
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:06.079
things can happen. And the only
way that you can be a winner in

951
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:11.880
this you've got to be the last
man standing in the middle of the ring.

952
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:16.279
And when I say the last man
standing, mister, that's that is

953
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:23.479
a problem within itself. And believe
you, when you can only be eliminated

954
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:27.479
from this match is to throw you
over the corp road. And then when

955
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:30.239
you're the last man standing in the
middle of the ring, and brother,

956
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.039
you can call yourself the full of
the woods, and then you are the

957
01:08:34.119 --> 01:09:10.399
matter. What do you think?
Uh? I mean, I'm I'm curious

958
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:13.560
about all the men being in that
place is gonna cause what do you say,

959
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:16.199
cause trouble? Yeah, you're that
many men. When you have that

960
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:19.680
many men in a in a in
a bunk house, that means you're gonna

961
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:28.439
have trouble. Okay, I mean, and why were you Why is anyone

962
01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:32.199
going into a bunk house? I
guess there's no other place for the little

963
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:36.159
cowboys to stay and get chilled,
right, you know, this is the

964
01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:40.640
wild West. There, there's no
accommodations. You're going out there seeking fortune.

965
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.479
You're and you're you know, you're
you're going into a lawless area where

966
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:48.680
there aren't police. And yeah all
that. Yeah, is that the one

967
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:53.319
that aired on on on Starcade?
Oh? Did they're in Starkade? I

968
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:55.720
don't remember. There was one.
There was one that we saw that was

969
01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.439
on that was on a starcade and
it was the Yeah, I mean I

970
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.359
remember it being long, kind of
like that. I don't know if that

971
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:03.079
was is he buy a fire?
Yeah he is? Yeah, that's the

972
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:05.680
one they put on Starkad. I
forgot that they put on Star KaDee.

973
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:11.640
I think it was eighty six.
Oh maybe they replayed it. That's from

974
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:15.279
eighty five what I just played.
Oh okay, maybe that's maybe that's when

975
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:17.560
they had I don't know. I
just remember it like it just like like

976
01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:25.960
Star kade just fucking it stopped.
Yeah, and then and then all of

977
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:30.479
a sudden we get this right,
you know, you know stampede, pull

978
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.239
up a chair, up a chair. I wanna tell you a story about

979
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:36.640
bunk house. I'd rather not I
can tell me a story about Marty funk

980
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:43.159
Houser instead, can you tell me
a story about cheese or something. That's

981
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:45.920
what the that's what it should have
been in New York is funk Houser.

982
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.199
Yeah, but he's got the fire
crackling and they get the song going.

983
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:54.520
Oh my god. He made reference
to it being a Douty funk Senior thing,

984
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:57.439
which is entirely possible. I didn't
see any reference, you know,

985
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:00.199
and clippings from the sixties or whatever, and you know that territory is pretty

986
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:04.319
well covered by the papers to a
bunkhouse stampede. Perhaps they called it something

987
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:08.119
else, but that's of course.
You know, Dusty broke in under the

988
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:11.840
Funks and Dory's Senior in Austin and
Mr Alone stuff, So if they did

989
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:14.800
do it, he remembered it.
It's also the inspiration, from what I

990
01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:18.760
understand to the Western States Heritage title
that Larry Zibisco wins on the show.

991
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:23.960
Yeah, that was a title that
existed apparently in that old territory, and

992
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.960
a lot of what you know Dusty
tried to bring was stuff that he learned

993
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:30.359
there or picked up their concepts.
So their thanks to Nelson Royal as kind

994
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.880
of the I don't know the spirit
of the match, but it's so it's

995
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:39.079
so wild because you see that described
in such you know, flowery and literary

996
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:42.319
and almost poetic terms there by Nelson
Royal. Then you watch the match,

997
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.880
it's just a bunch of guys walking
around elbow and punching, blading themselves.

998
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:49.680
Like yeah, it's it's the same
fucking shit. It doesn't feel particularly chaotic

999
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:53.960
to me. I mean, it
doesn't feel particularly dangerous. No. I

1000
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:57.279
think the other ones might have been
the house show ones where they brought weapons

1001
01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.800
and didn't have a cage wall.
But I don't know. I hear that

1002
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.479
description and then I think about the
match I saw here at Bunkhouse Stamped nineteen

1003
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:05.039
eighty eight on pay per view,
no less, and this is not I

1004
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:09.159
don't know, this is not it. This is not the spirit of what

1005
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:12.520
he was talking about. It just
looks like a I don't know, it

1006
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:16.000
just lets a bunch of guys standing
around punching each other, right, I

1007
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:18.720
mean, it's a battle royal in
a cage. It's a battle royal in

1008
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:23.840
a cage much more than it's a
bunk house anything. Right, So it's

1009
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.039
kind of a shame that the spirit
of it is kind of lost. But

1010
01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:31.560
again, the first one happens in
nineteen eighty five, and again you have

1011
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:36.640
to draw the distinction between bunk house
Stampede finales and bunk house matches. They

1012
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:41.319
started doing bunk house matches as far
as I can tell, starting in the

1013
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.720
beginning of nineteen eighty five. You
start to see six man tags being referred

1014
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:47.319
to as bunk house matches. For
example, Columbia, South Carolina, January

1015
01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:50.640
third, eighty five, that's Dusty
Rhodes and Ricky Steamboat and Dick Slater over

1016
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:56.239
Tully Blanchard, Ron Bass and Black
Bart in a bunk house match December of

1017
01:12:56.319 --> 01:13:00.000
eighty five in Cleveland is referred to, however, as kind of the first

1018
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:08.319
bunk house victory that's stampede and is
talked about on television as as a bunk

1019
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:13.479
house Stampede victory. And it's one
this particular one which I believe is it's

1020
01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:16.399
referred to on television, is the
very first bunk house Stampede is December seventh,

1021
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.840
nineteen eighty five in Cleveland, Ohio, and it's won by magnum Ta.

1022
01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:24.439
He wins a twenty man bunk house
Stampede match. That's not the same

1023
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:30.319
as winning the whole thing, whole
bunk House Stampede series, if you will,

1024
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:33.079
or whatever. It's almost like the
Bound for Glory series. You know,

1025
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:36.680
there's a bunch of matches life not
to the final one happens. Do

1026
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:40.920
you actually have an idea who won
the thing? Guess what? It sucks

1027
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.479
either way, I think, I
think I have to agree with you,

1028
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:49.159
but especially love that magnum won this
match because later on Come eighty eight,

1029
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:53.439
when Dusty puts himself over in the
match, his thing is, it's my

1030
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:56.760
match, Like it's stupid for anybody
else to win the Bunkhouse Stampede or for

1031
01:13:56.800 --> 01:14:00.039
anybody to see the bunk House team
as as a springboard to make a new

1032
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:02.720
star. That that's not what the
match is there for. It's not there.

1033
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:05.920
But in fact, it's exactly how
they used it in the beginning to

1034
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:09.680
get magnum Ta over the top.
Who was you know, of course,

1035
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:14.680
Dusty Rhodes's personal protege. And this
is of course before the the fateful accident

1036
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.960
the paralyzed magnum Ta and cut his
his career short. So let's hear how

1037
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:23.479
this first bunk House Stampede was talked
about and hyped on Crockett Television. First,

1038
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:30.479
here this bit of sound O,
my good dad, there were good

1039
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:45.600
Okay, David, what do you
talk about now? Anything goes Kaine Bratt

1040
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:54.960
knuckles, belt, belt buckles,
boot boulders. I'm a good Tonic.

1041
01:14:55.840 --> 01:15:00.359
You got to pay these guys,
Dancy. Now remember it belt, I

1042
01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:03.760
remember this is every man for himself. That is right, the way you

1043
01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:11.319
are eliminated and then you're out.
So that was the December seven, twenty

1044
01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.479
five match. They played a clip
of it on Crockett Television that Magnuntier one.

1045
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.359
But you hear their boss. They're
describing brass knuckles and they're describing actual

1046
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:21.119
chaos. I mean, I guess
that would have been more interesting. I

1047
01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:27.560
don't know. I just I don't
know. I don't know how I feel

1048
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:30.359
about this whole fucking thing. Yep. Yeah, it's it's questionable, to

1049
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:33.159
say the least. But so there
is footage of that first one, but

1050
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:36.439
again it wasn't a standalone television presentation. They went back to the Omni on

1051
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:42.159
December eighth. The next night in
Atlanta and Magnuntier wins a twenty man twenty

1052
01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:45.680
grand bunk House Stampede according to history
ofww dot com. Then they go to

1053
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:53.279
December nine, Greenwood, South Carolina. There's another bunk House Battle Royal with

1054
01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:57.439
a range of participants for twenty thousand
dollars prize. And while it doesn't appear

1055
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:01.079
clear from the results that survive who
actually won the thing, we do have

1056
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:06.279
the list of participants, including of
course Dusty Rhodes. And then come December

1057
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:11.399
fifteenth, nineteen eighty five, and
Greensboro, Dusty wins a twenty man bunk

1058
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:15.479
House Stampede match, which I suppose
is the final because I didn't see anything

1059
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:20.239
else in eighty five that would constitute
the records showing that Dusty one quote unquote

1060
01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:25.319
the nineteen eighty five bunk House Stampede, So that was pretty much the finale

1061
01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:30.479
that we're talking about with the twenty
thousand dollars prize. December twenty eighth as

1062
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:32.239
well, I should take that back
Ccember twenty eighth and Philly, Act of

1063
01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:35.479
All Places, Philadelphia at the Civic
Center. Dusty Rhodes also wins a bunk

1064
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:40.399
House Stampede after he and magnum Ta
beat Flair and Tully in a tag match

1065
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:44.359
earlier in the show, So maybe
that was the one that captain I think

1066
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.039
I think they ended it in Greensboro
though. December fifteen, Dusty winning the

1067
01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:54.359
bunk House Stampede. So let's get
a look at some of the print ads

1068
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:58.359
for these original bunk House stampedes.
We had a lot of fun, of

1069
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:00.520
course, Boss with the print ads. Love for Royal, rumble, I

1070
01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:03.720
love it. Gimme, give me, gimme, gimme design just to get

1071
01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:09.600
people in the building. Boy.
This is one for the Greenwood Civic Center.

1072
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:15.880
The Index Journal presenting this this ad
here, tell the people what you

1073
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:24.560
see worldwide mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling.
How can you be worldwide and mid atlantic

1074
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:29.479
because you were mid Atlantic and then
you got the TBS contract, h the

1075
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:38.279
WMA, CW, the the the
Walmaco Wrestling, Greenwood Civic Center, Monday,

1076
01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:44.000
December nine, seven thirty pm.
Greenwood bunk House Stampede. Is there

1077
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:50.279
anything different about a Greenwood bunk House
Stampede? I ask uh Nope. Twenty

1078
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:57.600
man bunk House, over the Top, over Top Battle Royal, twenty thousand

1079
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:02.520
dollars to winner, come rest as
you want, anything goes now. Wait

1080
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:08.159
a minute, can't you really talking
about can't you come to any match dressed

1081
01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:11.680
as you want, right, and
I mean I get, But I guess

1082
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:16.880
not only anything goes isn't always the
case. Dusty Rhodes, Rage and Bull,

1083
01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:25.239
Billy Jack, Don Car Noodle,
Pistol, Pez Whatley, Rock and

1084
01:18:25.399 --> 01:18:31.600
Roll Express, Jim Jeffers, Mac
Jeffers, Ivan Colof, Nikita Koloff,

1085
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:41.279
Colden, Terror, Magnum Ta Crush
Your Crush, Chef Only Anderson, Arn

1086
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:49.640
Anderson, Tolly, Blanchard, Abdullah
the Butcher, Barbarian, Tony Zane NWA.

1087
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:55.000
Subject to change. It doesn't just
say at the bottom of this lineup

1088
01:18:55.079 --> 01:18:57.840
subject to change. It says for
some reason. Car. It doesn't say

1089
01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:00.199
card subject to change. It says
to the end of you is subject to

1090
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:05.399
change. Well, hey, they
knew it before everybody else apparently. Plus

1091
01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:13.520
TV taping of the Live min Atlantic
and Worldwide wrestling programs. Join us for

1092
01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:17.880
this great one time event. Pick
up your tickets at the Civic Center box

1093
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:25.279
officer call a number. Ticket prices
are ten dollars, eight dollars and three

1094
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:30.880
fucking dollars Greenwood Civic Center Box Office. Hello, I'd like to purchase tickets

1095
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:36.600
to the Bunkhouse printed. Can I
please purchase three dollars tickets great South Carolina

1096
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:42.720
accent. It's Greenwood South Kakilaki for
those wondering. That's from the December six,

1097
01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:46.880
nineteen eighty five Index Journal. And
we have another one boss to set

1098
01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:50.439
the stage to let us feel what
it would feel like, this one from

1099
01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:56.600
the Richmond Times Dispatch in Richmond,
Virginia. Always at Crockett Stronghold in the

1100
01:19:57.279 --> 01:20:09.000
home turf of one magnum Ta Oh
Boy mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling, Richmond Colosseum

1101
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:15.199
Tonight Ringside and Reserve. Fifteen dollars
general admission, twelve dollars Children under the

1102
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:20.239
age of twelve, five dollars.
Bunk House Stampede, twenty man bunk House

1103
01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:26.319
Battle Royals bunk House, over and
over, like anyone knows what the fucking

1104
01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:30.800
bunk house is. Twenty thousand dollars
to the winner, Rick Flair, Olie

1105
01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:35.159
and Arn Anderson, magnum Ta,
Dusty Rhodes, Tully Blanchard, Nikita Coloft,

1106
01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:41.119
Billy Jack, Rock and Roll Express, Ivan Coloff, Crusher, kruchef

1107
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:46.119
Abdul the Butcher, the Barbarian,
Don car Noodle, Pistol, Pez Whatley,

1108
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:54.319
the Raging Bull, Tommy Lane,
Golden Terror Denny Brown plus Double Texas

1109
01:20:54.720 --> 01:21:00.760
Bull Rope Match, Rick Flair and
arn Anderson versus Magnum Tya and sty Rhodes,

1110
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:08.359
Tully Blanchard versus belly Jack for World
six man title, Ivan Cold Off,

1111
01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:13.920
the Kita Cold Off and Crusher kru
Chef versus Rock and Roll Expressed and

1112
01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:19.279
the Raging Bull After the Butcher versus
Pistol, Pez Whatley, Tom Lane,

1113
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:28.800
Tommy Lane versus Don car Noodle plus
other matches. Tremendous, tremendous. Where

1114
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:31.079
do I buy tickets? They talk
so much into this little corner of the

1115
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:36.239
newspaper. I mean, like also, like I love how all the all

1116
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:41.039
the guys who are in the Battle
Royal have these other matches. Oh yeah,

1117
01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:44.560
yeah, they're working twice. You
got the little carved out heads where

1118
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:46.800
they just like, yep, photoshop
the heads. They got one from Tully

1119
01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:50.079
where it apparently is from the top
of the page because the top of his

1120
01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:56.439
head's cut off. Look at Olie's
face, Oh, floating dusty head.

1121
01:21:56.479 --> 01:21:59.920
You got Arn't floating head for some
reason, wearing a New York Angeles cap

1122
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:02.159
all. He looks like all he
looks like he just got bit in the

1123
01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:06.399
ass by some kind of animal.
Absolutely he does. You're absolutely right about

1124
01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:10.960
that. So just tremendous man that
you just open up your paper and oh

1125
01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:15.960
wow, look at this stampede.
You guys want to go to the bunkhouse.

1126
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:19.880
Mom, I cluds You're never doing
that again. Fuck. So this

1127
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:24.560
is Magnum's big moment, and let's
get a taste of how he was talking

1128
01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:29.720
about it on Crockett Television at the
time winning. I hesitated to say the

1129
01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:32.239
first bunkhouse stamped because I would create
the wrong impression. But the first kind

1130
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:35.359
of time on television, they were
saying, this is at bunk house event,

1131
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:39.600
and Magnum is going to get the
win. All right, everyone here

1132
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:43.800
at World Championship Wrestling very please and
excited to welcome back this man with the

1133
01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:53.479
US heavyweight title now in his possession. Magnum tak you very much less the

1134
01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:56.840
most brutal match in my entire life
to Tolly Blanchard to get back this ansti

1135
01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:00.399
sevyweight tunnel. Yeah, that's all
history now. Now I got to look

1136
01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:03.560
towards the future. I tell you, Bracker, you talk about wrestling matches,

1137
01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:06.279
you want more wrestling matches. Well, this title is gonna be up

1138
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:10.640
for anybody out there that wants a
shot at it. You Buddy Landell,

1139
01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:14.800
aren't Anderson, Ollie Anderson. Anybody
that thinks they can unseat me from the

1140
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:17.279
un say Saity weight champing ship,
come right on up, take your shot,

1141
01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:20.119
because there's contracts out there for anybody
that wants a piece of it.

1142
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:24.560
This belt wasn't made by putting up
on a shelf and just keep it all

1143
01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:27.079
nice and clean. It was made
to be defended, and that's exactly what

1144
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:30.199
I intend to do. Man.
Let's talk about now, you as many

1145
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:32.800
wrestlers around the world a chance to
win twenty thousand dollars and the bunk House

1146
01:23:32.800 --> 01:23:36.359
Stampede that's underway certainly a Grueli match, that's right. You know, a

1147
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:42.039
bunk house Stampede will probably be the
most exciting match that I've ever taken place

1148
01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:45.520
on myself, because not only do
you have a better role situation, twenty

1149
01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:47.199
men in the ring at one time, they can wear whatever they want,

1150
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:49.840
bring any type of apparatus they want
it right here, you see, Man

1151
01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:55.680
got a weightlifting belt and it's just
gonna be mad cap chaos situation going on

1152
01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:59.000
in there. And you've got twenty
thousand dollars at stake each and every time

1153
01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:01.239
we go in there. This is
gonna be the most exciting series and professional

1154
01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:04.560
wrestling that I've ever been involved in, and it's going to draw the toughest

1155
01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:09.199
competition in the country today because everybody
wants to be a part of this thing

1156
01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:13.680
now, Bunk House Stampede, and
it's coming very soon. And once again,

1157
01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:15.600
congratulations Magnum. Everybody glad to see
you the day. All right,

1158
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:19.119
Magnum, let's go back to the
rim. That's right. And also,

1159
01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:23.439
as we have talked about earlier,
though, Bunk House Stampede is well underway.

1160
01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:26.960
And congratulations to Magnum ta right,
he won the very first Bunk House

1161
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:31.359
Stampede in Cleveland the other night.
He has twenty thousand dollars Richard. So

1162
01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:33.960
there you go. And this is
like, you know, it'und like they

1163
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:35.960
would have a lot of focus.
They would have like at the top of

1164
01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:41.840
the show, Chavanni and Crockett would
mention like four things about what's coming up

1165
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:44.319
in the NWA, and that would
be one of them. It would come

1166
01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:47.079
to be like a throwaway thing almost
for the national show. Yeah, they

1167
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:50.159
didn't really try to harp too much
on something that you can only see in

1168
01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:53.920
one city or you know, a
handful of cities if you bought tickets,

1169
01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:57.279
but it was referenced. So it's
really tricky. There's it's not like you

1170
01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.000
know, watch the raw after the
pay per view to see how they follow

1171
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:02.079
it up on it. It's like, you know, you hear magnum kind

1172
01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:08.720
of tucking and mention of it into
of course discussing his classic match at Starcade

1173
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:11.119
nineteen eighty five. Yeah, I
quit match with Tully Blanchard. He was

1174
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.520
just coming off that big victory that
was that certainly catapulted him into you know,

1175
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:18.920
a spot where you could easily see
him becoming the new champion and NWA's

1176
01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:23.520
counterpoint to Hulk Hogan. Frankly,
I was talked about a lot in the

1177
01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:27.159
recent Dark Side of the Ring special
on Magnum Ta's life story, and uh

1178
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:30.520
yeah, and and and then you
know, he doesn't even do a promo

1179
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:35.159
celebrating winning the bunk House Stampede's just
mentioned in passing and with Tony Schavanni offering

1180
01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:40.319
congratulate don't matter. That's why.
What's that it doesn't fucking matter? That's

1181
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:43.920
why. That's one way to look
at it. As far as being in

1182
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:47.279
the ring, being in those early
sort of mysterious bunkhouse stampedes, magnum Ta

1183
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:51.159
spoke to Kfave Commentaries about what it
was like mixing it up in the ring

1184
01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:58.479
on these things talk about the bunk
house stampede, Dusty's famous creation. Do

1185
01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:00.279
you like them? J yeah,
I like him because I like putting on

1186
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:03.520
the boots of the jeans in the
ripped up shirts, sent the bandannas and

1187
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:09.800
just stomping mudholes and people and it
was fun. Though. I will have

1188
01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:14.560
to say there's a classic picture going
around the Internet of of from talking about

1189
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:18.359
bunkhouses of Dusty. Dusty and I
Jerry Lawl are all coming back from a

1190
01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:21.840
match. Dusty's all covered in blood. I'm all covered in blood, and

1191
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:26.199
Jerry looks like he's been at the
popcorn stand. And I was like,

1192
01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:29.119
you know, and this after,
you know, twenty five minute match,

1193
01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:32.000
I think about stuffing. Oh,
that's pretty funny. But to that point,

1194
01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:36.119
they were fun because they were outrageous
and you knew when you went in

1195
01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:39.920
there, you know, guy's gonna
take his cowboy boot off and try to

1196
01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:42.119
beat you of the head with it. And somebody's gonna have, you know,

1197
01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:44.520
pull out a piece of barbed wire
and we're gonna have this, We're

1198
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:47.119
gonna have that. And it was
a fun just kind of Steve blow off

1199
01:26:47.399 --> 01:26:50.720
kind of fun kind of deal.
But you know, something you do once

1200
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:56.560
a year and drive on and not
once a year. But I get your

1201
01:26:56.600 --> 01:26:59.720
point, now, yeah, one
season a year. Yeah, so yeah,

1202
01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:04.039
Joe Lawler was definitely at the popcorn
stand. Yes, for reasons that

1203
01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:10.880
don't need to be experienced. Girls
were read, I'll expound upon them,

1204
01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:15.920
and yeah, so I guess it's
fun that you could dress in jeans and

1205
01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:20.640
people that take off their cowboy boots. I'm still waiting to understand what's interesting

1206
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:24.560
about this match. I'm still waiting
for them. I'm still I'm still still

1207
01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:27.359
waiting to hear about what is actually
fun about it. I don't care these

1208
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:30.520
guys are wearing jeans instead. It
isn't I mean dick to me right?

1209
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.399
And I get barbed wire. I
guess that's kind of a novelty. But

1210
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:38.319
I guess I remember those first time
ever saw bob wire, there was pictures

1211
01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:44.479
of the Dusty Tully matches with barbed
wire in the This is Wrestling Coffee table

1212
01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:46.520
Book I had. I just love
a copy up by the way. Wow.

1213
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:50.439
Indeed, so this being Nasaucolosium,
as I mentioned, this was not

1214
01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:54.960
the first time JCP ran Nasaucolosyum.
That would have been November twenty fifth,

1215
01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:58.560
nineteen eighty seven, Thanksgiving weekend.
To be a wrestling fan in New York

1216
01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.640
in the eighties, you know what
I mean? Yep, get this.

1217
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:05.640
You get Pro Wresting USA trying to
come through. You get like that steamboat

1218
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:09.680
Flare match in eighty four at the
meadow Lands. You get a WA trying

1219
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:12.840
to run the meadow Lands as well
in eighty five when they get Slaughter.

1220
01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:17.239
You get Crockett trying to make inroads
here and doing a handful of events in

1221
01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:20.600
and around the area. And of
course you get WWF rocking and rolling like

1222
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:26.319
never before, Hull Comania running wild, and every Madison Square Garden show.

1223
01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:33.279
It's just Thanksgiving weekend. I mean, how about we go see Crockett at

1224
01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:40.840
the Nassau Hall Seum and then watch
fucking Survivor series. Yeah. Fine.

1225
01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:45.840
They probably threw this date on when
they realized that Vents was calling the cable

1226
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.560
company's bluff on carrying Starcade Versus Survivor
series, because it seemed like they went

1227
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:51.079
into New York when they had a
fucking mentality, not when they had like

1228
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:56.079
a strategy behind it. Of course. Yeah, like that's what it definitely

1229
01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:59.880
feels like like. There didn't seem
to feel like a like there was a

1230
01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:01.279
real like, oh, let's let's
see what we can do here. It

1231
01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:03.600
was more like, oh, this
guy fuckingsfull, I want to do this.

1232
01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:09.079
How about that motherfucker? And that's
what sunk Verne. Verne tried to

1233
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:11.720
do the same thing and he ended
up dead. And Fritz tried to do

1234
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:14.720
the same thing as we talked about
in the World Class Journey where and he's

1235
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:16.359
dead too, and he's very dead. They moved into Dallas and then they

1236
01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:20.039
start pushing into Boston and they start
we'll do von Ers across America. And

1237
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:23.640
it's like, guys, like you're
just going to spend yourself out of business,

1238
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:29.199
pretending that people outside your area actually
give a shit to the price sustainably

1239
01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:30.840
give a shit, you know,
to the point where you can turn a

1240
01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:35.000
profit. But yeah, So that
show on Long Island in November twenty fifth,

1241
01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:41.960
nineteen eighty seven, saw Ron Garvin
Dusty Rhodes and Barry Wyndham, as

1242
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.640
well as Ricky and Ricky Morton and
Robert Gibson in the Rock and Roll Express

1243
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:49.199
and a five on five beating Big
Bubba Aren and Tully, Bobby Eaton and

1244
01:29:49.239 --> 01:29:51.680
Stan Lane. It was actually a
war games, Thank you very much.

1245
01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:55.439
Wow. We did talk now that
I think about this, we did talk

1246
01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:59.039
about this as one of those stealth
how show only war games that they would

1247
01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:01.399
do. They did one in Chicago
as well, featuring the Road Warriors prominent

1248
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:06.000
I think in August of nineteen eighty
seven, after holding the first one earlier

1249
01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:11.119
in eighty seven and then doing the
one in July. They did both of

1250
01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:14.560
the first ones in July, right, it was Atlanta and then it was

1251
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:16.760
Orlando, and they did a handful
around the circuit that you know, no

1252
01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:20.079
video footage exists off, but they
that's how you come in in New York.

1253
01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:25.119
You bring the fucking war games.
That's how you do it. And

1254
01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:30.760
also on that show they had Road
Warriors versus Flair and Lex Luger and a

1255
01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:35.079
tag team match. Luger had yet
to fully consummate his breaking off from the

1256
01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:39.520
Horseman. That was a late eighty
seventh thing, and that was a huge

1257
01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:45.119
thing because part of what frustrated people
so much about Bunk House Stampede eighty eight

1258
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:47.800
that we're talking about here this week
was the idea that it made a whole

1259
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:51.319
lot of sense for Lex Luger to
win the thing. For whatever reasons,

1260
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:56.159
Dusty put magnum Ta over in the
first bunk House Stampedes, he should have

1261
01:30:56.199 --> 01:31:00.600
put Lex Luger over in these because
clearly the guy to make a run at

1262
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:08.399
Flair and come Star's always been in
that weird position where he should have,

1263
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:13.520
but he just never gets that extra
mph, right yep, totally That's the

1264
01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:17.680
story of his career in so many
ways. Even you know Green Recamaction ninety

1265
01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:21.479
when Sting wins, the push from
the office at WCW was for a Luger

1266
01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:27.399
to actually get it, but Flair
famously insisted that Sting get it. They

1267
01:31:27.439 --> 01:31:30.760
were pushing for Luca after Sting stuff
Is suffered the knee injury. But it's

1268
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:32.720
that classic thing, you know,
someone joins the horsemen, they then break

1269
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:35.840
off from the horseman and go after
the world title, and Luger was It

1270
01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:41.720
was actually a Bunk House Stampede show
where Lugar did the turn because they wanted

1271
01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:45.119
him. They wanted the other horseman, wanted Luger to throw himself out of

1272
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:48.000
the bunk house Battle Royal to protect
the four Horsemen, Glory and ric Flair,

1273
01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:51.399
and he refused to do it.
And that was the big moment where

1274
01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:56.560
Lex Luger finally took a stand and
turned baby face. And so with the

1275
01:31:56.600 --> 01:32:00.119
follow on being here January eighty eight, you would think perfect Luca should go

1276
01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:04.119
over no, no, thank you, because it's the what's it about?

1277
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:11.920
It's about the bullshit. Com me, baby, of the wards if you

1278
01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:15.920
want throat that, I'm a bullet
wards baby, because I'm a bad motherfucker.

1279
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:18.640
That's will be doing, Daddy,
because the American dream doff their roath.

1280
01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:23.039
He's gonna be there, baby,
He's gonna be in the woods,

1281
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:27.039
Daddy. I sit in the woods. I'm climbing trees. Baby, I'm

1282
01:32:27.159 --> 01:32:30.279
sucking the sap off the fucking trees
because that's what the American dream doth.

1283
01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:34.840
He's taking all the elements. Baby, I'm sitting him inside my body and

1284
01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:41.000
I'm gonna screep them out and it's
gonna come a bunk house stampede. The

1285
01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:45.159
American dream the buckle, the boot, the prestige, the money of the

1286
01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:49.560
bunk House Stampede, being the baddest
of the band, being the bull of

1287
01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:55.760
the woods. If you will,
twenty five thirty men stamped into one little

1288
01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.640
bit of ring, you understand,
with one thing in mind, to hunt

1289
01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:02.039
somebody that, to kick somebody bullet
there, to twist our arm off and

1290
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:08.479
put the egles up in the chain. And many mornings I got up dwelling

1291
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:11.760
on the factor being the two times
for another bunk House stampead, Hi,

1292
01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:14.520
am I gonna do it this year? When last year I had to fill

1293
01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:16.520
around fee my nose was still on
my feet, look up in the morning

1294
01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:19.680
and see if my ears was still
on my head. My eye balls in

1295
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:25.359
the socket was were playing steady on
my mind because I knew Dusty Roose has

1296
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:28.640
to be the buck House Stampat champion
for the third time. If you will,

1297
01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:31.279
for your hockey fans, it's a
hat trick. You understand, it's

1298
01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:35.319
a hat trick. And Dusty Rose
now comes out here with this in mind,

1299
01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:40.880
anywhere in a place that on the
marquee you see the national rest of

1300
01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:45.119
their lives presents the bunk House stamp
beat if you want to just feel a

1301
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.920
little bit of how bad it is
to be the baddest to beat the bullet

1302
01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:51.960
the woods, then and only then
buy your ticket, walk in and sit

1303
01:33:53.079 --> 01:34:02.800
down and watch Dusty Rhodes become the
bullet of the woods. Bad bad Betty,

1304
01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:11.520
come fit depth the roll. They
come to me, motherfucking wood baby,

1305
01:34:11.640 --> 01:34:15.000
It's like a cow of the woods. Dust, what milk? M

1306
01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:17.920
Tenny's baby? You know what's going
on? Many who who are you kidding?

1307
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.319
Dust? The only of the woods
you ever cared about is chicken of

1308
01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:29.399
the woods. The only, the
only, the only of the woods he

1309
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:32.039
cared about was getting wood from the
woods so he could fucking, you know,

1310
01:34:32.279 --> 01:34:38.680
fucking roast marshmallows own Yeah, Nelson
Royal, Right, I mean it's

1311
01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:41.439
great. I love listening to the
guy. He's just fucking amazing. But

1312
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.920
like he's talking, he's talking into
the wind. By nineteen eighty eight,

1313
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:47.760
it's like Dust, no one,
no one even knows what you're talking about,

1314
01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:50.880
and no one cares that you're gonna
win the Punk House Stampede. But

1315
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:56.119
maybe they did. Maybe I just
don't looking back on it, I lack

1316
01:34:56.199 --> 01:35:00.119
what it felt like to live through
it. But man is he Is he

1317
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:04.560
playing a card that's not working for
him by this point in a lot of

1318
01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:08.520
ways. So I wonder where the
hell he got You know, if the

1319
01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:12.840
idea of the bunk house stampede and
the whole concept of the match came from,

1320
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:16.399
had its DNA and what a dory
funk Senior used to do, I

1321
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:18.720
wonder, you know, sort of
where the idea of bull of the woods

1322
01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:21.159
came from? Like what is that
even? Ye what, I don't know.

1323
01:35:21.319 --> 01:35:24.920
I've never heard of that term.
I don't believe it's a real term.

1324
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:27.880
But go ahead tell me sure what
you know. This is a piece

1325
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:32.039
by a writer named Roger Branch who
is Professor emeritus of sociology at Georgia Southern

1326
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:41.279
University, and he wrote back in
twenty eighteen this piece was put together back

1327
01:35:41.319 --> 01:35:44.439
in the top. Well, you
know what, I think we can do

1328
01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:46.199
better. I think we can hand
it to the boss. Oh boy,

1329
01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:53.399
let's remember okay, Georgia Southern yep. And let's let's tell the people.

1330
01:35:53.520 --> 01:36:00.359
Let's educate him if you wiel on, what is all right? Woods?

1331
01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:08.760
All right? Here we are here
with the buller woods here and back in

1332
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:12.880
the time of the open range.
One of the most striking critters was the

1333
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:16.960
bull of the woods. As the
term suggests, this apex member of the

1334
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:25.840
bovine species was locally dominant and predominant. If there were other male beasts in

1335
01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:30.720
the area, the bull the woods
was the boss by reasons of size,

1336
01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:39.000
or combativeness or plain meanness. The
link between such animals and the terns bully

1337
01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:45.439
and bullying as applied to people's obvious
the bull of was was predominant, meaning

1338
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:50.560
the his side most of the calves
dropped by cows throughout the community. It

1339
01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:57.119
might spend most of his time with
his home heard, but he visited elsewhere

1340
01:36:57.279 --> 01:37:08.319
in response to phenomenal signal or pheromenal
pheromones pheromonal the pheromonal phenomenal. There's a

1341
01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:16.680
phenomenal pheromonal signals which apparently characquatted disks. So interesting to the idea of bull

1342
01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:21.560
of the woods. Yeah, in
the community where I grew up, the

1343
01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:29.239
bull the woods and impressive polled no
horns. Hereford belonged to Daddy's cousin JP.

1344
01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:33.319
He's heard followed him and he wandered
widely. He had no name,

1345
01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:39.199
and I cannot print most of the
things he was called. Let's now call

1346
01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:45.680
him Toro. Toro's widespread on popularitis
him from his habit of breaking into fields

1347
01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:53.439
and grown corn. Breaking into fields
of growing corn, the bull did not

1348
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:59.880
grow corn was watering for a moment. His habit of breaking in the fields

1349
01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:03.920
a growing corn leading his head with
him, A dozen cows and a cumping

1350
01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:10.640
young can destroy a lot of corn
in a short time. I wonder who's

1351
01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:14.680
a pull of the woods. No
one could destroy corn in his record time

1352
01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:20.520
if his method of venture was simple. The huge beasts simple walked through fence

1353
01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:27.720
posts, popped or staples that held
fence. The posts went flying. Sometimes

1354
01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:31.560
the eggsited in the same way but
in a different place, So that's like

1355
01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:34.920
you know, the fence post,
the fence of the car. Yep.

1356
01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:42.279
Persuading Toro and I hire him to
leave onecefield was a challenge. Y'all dogs

1357
01:38:42.359 --> 01:38:46.479
would bark, but not chase did
old brave bulldogs. Humans did not take

1358
01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:49.520
a switch to him, did not
want to go into the field with him.

1359
01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:56.760
The solution was a shotgun loaded with
bird shot. A load of numbered

1360
01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:02.399
eights to the rear quarter to delivering
were offensive from forty to fifty yards away,

1361
01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:06.479
hardly penetrated his thick hide, but
stung enough to persuade him to go

1362
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:12.680
elsewhere with Hiram and tow If Daddy
was not at hand, Mama knew how

1363
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:16.880
to use the Remanton twelve gage pump. Once Toro invaded the field of Uncle

1364
01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:21.560
Bill, who stepped over the broken
fence and went after him with his brown

1365
01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:30.279
and automatic shotgun. In response to
the butt shot, Toro turning his attacker

1366
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:34.000
and advanced no more, mister nice
guy. The next two shots went straight

1367
01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:39.600
to the broad white head. At
the third Toro fell to his knees,

1368
01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:44.279
bellowed, climbed back on to his
feet, and exited. Thereafter, he

1369
01:39:44.439 --> 01:39:49.199
invaded other fields, but not Uncle
Bill's. Given to a humorous hyperbole,

1370
01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:54.680
my uncle declared that whenever that bull
was sold to the by would pay for

1371
01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:59.119
ten pounds a lead well. In
the end of the open range, some

1372
01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:04.119
farmers could get out of the cattle
business, and the rest confine their heads

1373
01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:12.119
to fenced pastures and woodland PROCs.
They learned from the marketplace and the ba's

1374
01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:16.159
favored animals that turned out good beef, leading to the selection of breeding stock

1375
01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:24.239
that thrived on proper care and feeding
rather than wildwood hardness. The term bull

1376
01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:28.920
the woods came to be applied to
other things. One popular brand of plug

1377
01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:33.920
style chewing tobacco was so named.
My one encounter with a quick part from

1378
01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:41.039
Granddaddy William's plug ensured that it would
never be popular with me. The term

1379
01:40:41.159 --> 01:40:45.479
was also applied to men, usually
with the connotation of someone dominant or at

1380
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:53.279
least extraordinary. This one man appropriated
it for himself. Usually mister Lewis and

1381
01:40:53.439 --> 01:40:57.800
Clark was a quiet, ensuing man. Except for his being shrinking. He

1382
01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:01.520
seemed to be an almost model citizen. And Ben's drinking is an interesting phenomenon,

1383
01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:05.920
a practice followed by several men that
I knew back then. Most would

1384
01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:11.159
not drink a drop of alcohol for
weeks, even months, then consumed with

1385
01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:16.039
the point of drunk and is constantly
for days. Perhaps this pattern reflects the

1386
01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:19.680
fact of farmers had to stay sober
doing crucial parts of the crop here and

1387
01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:25.960
full fell off the wagon after the
harvest, are doing long holidays in in

1388
01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:29.680
case, Lewis and Clark went on
a bench and decided to go exploring.

1389
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.239
When his wife decided that he had
been long gone gone long enough for her

1390
01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:38.680
to be concerned, she'd went looking
for him Eventually she heard his voice and

1391
01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:43.159
then found totally nude in the middle
of a brie patch, proclaiming, I

1392
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:48.279
am a buller wood. Picture Dusty. Read that sentence again, please and

1393
01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:54.520
picture Cody's mom. Eventually she heard
his voice and found him totally nude in

1394
01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:58.239
the middle of a brie pat,
proclaiming, I'm a brother wouldn't been here

1395
01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:01.439
that what the fuck's going daddy?
I got my cock in my head and

1396
01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:05.560
I'm on a fucking bright pitch and
I'm a bull of wood and I'm getting

1397
01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:10.520
off. And if you're the bull
dust, what would that fuck count?

1398
01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:19.279
Mother fuck out? I think we're
ready up table for two and shown he's

1399
01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:26.920
please. And when he's sobered up
enough to discover all those scratches on pots

1400
01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:30.319
of his anatomy that had never been
described before, he decided that he was

1401
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:34.000
not cut out to be the bull
of wood but a piece. What a

1402
01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:36.279
piece? I forgot to mention,
And I'm glad you reminded me that while

1403
01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:41.920
Roger G. Branch Senior does profess
at Georgia Southern University, he is in

1404
01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:49.560
fact Foghorn Leghorn from New Orleans.
Don't assume that just because he teaches at

1405
01:42:49.560 --> 01:42:54.039
Georgia Southern that he is at George
Jackson. That's right. I also send

1406
01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:56.399
you another piece bus that I wish
you could share with the solar system.

1407
01:42:56.439 --> 01:43:00.800
This one a little less modern.
It's kind of like a vintage explanation from

1408
01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:04.720
the Fort Worth Star Telegram, which
I supposed to be the part of the

1409
01:43:04.760 --> 01:43:06.640
country, of course, the Dusty
grew up in, and the part of

1410
01:43:06.680 --> 01:43:10.800
the country he would have first been
made aware of and become acquainted with,

1411
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:14.000
the lore of the Bull of the
Woods. This is from nineteen sixty six,

1412
01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:20.960
and it's about a bull named Stormy
who apparently, through some like formal

1413
01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:29.079
competition, was named the Bull of
the Woods. Okay, where you're sunding

1414
01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:31.600
to me? Oh my my,
apologies, it's in your email. This

1415
01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:44.800
is a good old fashioned clipping bar. A man's field, Texas. N't

1416
01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:47.960
going nowhere? Where the fuck did
it go? Motherfucker? What's going on

1417
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:53.920
here? Bad bull? Bad bull? Motherfucker man's field? All right here

1418
01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:58.279
we are, No what the fuck's
it doing? This shit? I can

1419
01:43:58.359 --> 01:44:00.439
read it, all right, I
got I got it, I got it

1420
01:44:00.920 --> 01:44:04.680
all right. Storming of the Bull
of the Woods nets top bucks for bucking

1421
01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:13.359
Mansfield. Can you please read that
headline again slowly, storm Bull of the

1422
01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:23.159
Woods nets nets top bucks for bucking. Got it all right? Let me

1423
01:44:23.239 --> 01:44:25.760
take that one back to the lab
and figure out what it means. By

1424
01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:30.000
the way, it's oh the Woods
its spelled oh, oh the bull of

1425
01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:36.079
the Woods Bull the Woods, Oh
willow the whist all right. None of

1426
01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:41.199
the Kyle Bell rodeo bull has made
the big time. He is a little

1427
01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:47.960
faulty and looks he wouldn't be judged
the top prospect as a herd sire and

1428
01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:54.119
wouldn't bring very much per pound through
the sale ring. But no one could

1429
01:44:54.119 --> 01:44:59.600
say he's disturbed about it. He's
diabolical talent is carrying him to the top.

1430
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:05.600
Dick and jack ratching producers of the
Cowbell Rodeo in Mansfield and reputable bull

1431
01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:16.520
entrepreneurs have said they're Stormy young bucking
bull bull Oh the Woods Dusty also a

1432
01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:27.079
bull entrepreneurs the Bill McKee, a
Rodeo Cowboys Association and stock crontractor of Savory,

1433
01:45:27.680 --> 01:45:31.520
Wyoming, for a large but undisclosed
amount of money. As far as

1434
01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:36.600
they know, it is the second
highest priced highest price ever paid for a

1435
01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:43.319
rodeo bull, the highest price ever
paid for one was for another Cowbell rodeo

1436
01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:47.880
bull by the name of Speedy Gonzalez. The Ratchean brothers said Speedy old Speed

1437
01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:51.439
and McKee about a year and a
half ago for an undisclosed amount of money,

1438
01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:57.760
but they are quick to say the
price was well in the five figures,

1439
01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:03.920
and considering the way Speedy began strewing
the RCA bull riders across arenas all

1440
01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:10.600
over the country, McKee made a
goodbye. He ended the nineteen sixty five

1441
01:46:10.760 --> 01:46:15.279
rodeo season unridden, and as a
rookie RCA bull, he came within two

1442
01:46:15.439 --> 01:46:20.279
votes being selected the Outstanding Bucking Bull
of the World. When Bill Cornell,

1443
01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:25.920
world Champion bull rider in nineteen sixty
three, drew Speedy at the National Finals

1444
01:46:26.039 --> 01:46:30.159
rodeo in Oklahoma City last December,
an interviewer asked him how we planned to

1445
01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:34.760
try to ride him. He replied
that he didn't have the slightest idea because

1446
01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:40.600
he had never heard of anyone who
stayed on him long enough, who stayed

1447
01:46:40.760 --> 01:46:45.079
on him long long enough to know
just what all he could do. So

1448
01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:49.359
this is like, you know,
rodeo bulls. Yes. A little while

1449
01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:57.479
after that, Speedy Gonzalez died of
dustnemon is that our Dusty died dumb the

1450
01:46:57.560 --> 01:47:00.640
dath pneumonia, dad at big death
pneumonia. He had been bucked out in

1451
01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:05.359
actual four hundred and forty two times
and had had twenty seven riders who had

1452
01:47:05.439 --> 01:47:13.279
drawn him refused to even get on
him, and had never been ridden to

1453
01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:16.039
the never been ridden to the whistle. He was nine years old and in

1454
01:47:16.119 --> 01:47:21.680
his prime when he died bull the
woods called prime beef. Damn right.

1455
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:26.239
He was a four year old.
He had barely started his bucking career when

1456
01:47:26.279 --> 01:47:30.039
speed he went to the big Time. But since he started spinning and kicking

1457
01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:32.640
his heels up in the rodeos,
he has been bucked out of total seven

1458
01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:38.199
three seventy three times without ever having
been written, and some people say that

1459
01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:43.520
he already has more spectator fans than
any other bucking bull gone. Many of

1460
01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:46.680
them spent a full six weeks this
year submitting names to the Kyle Bell Rodeo

1461
01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:54.479
that would have fit his champions stature
and colorful future. They finally came up

1462
01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:59.800
with one he now has. They
can feel they have some stake in his

1463
01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:04.159
future, and the Big Time say
that again they can also taste that they

1464
01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:08.720
have some steak in the future in
the big town has some steak in his

1465
01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:17.079
feature maybe like right after the show, Yeah right, maybe maybe every morning

1466
01:48:17.119 --> 01:48:23.439
for breakfast. His first RCA rodeo
will be an Ogden, Utah, and

1467
01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:26.840
from there he will move he will
move on to one of the grandest of

1468
01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:31.600
them all, the Shine Frontier Days
Rodeo and Shine Wylming got along with Dusty

1469
01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:35.560
So yeah right, talk about bulls, bulls and bull of the bull of

1470
01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:43.439
the woods, right right, talk
about fucking big fields and you know,

1471
01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:53.199
and hunting open prairies and open prairies
and fresh air and breathing and tiny post

1472
01:48:53.279 --> 01:48:56.800
offices that's right, right that are
only open for two hours a day.

1473
01:48:58.359 --> 01:49:04.279
I ain't gonna name if they're going
to be weather awesome not bad weather weather.

1474
01:49:09.239 --> 01:49:13.439
Most betting that his perfect record won't
be marred by the big bulls there

1475
01:49:14.760 --> 01:49:17.840
or for many of the big shows
that come. Speede. Gonzalis was cold

1476
01:49:17.920 --> 01:49:23.840
black, with a curly, hornless
head, and weighed about fifteen hundred pounds.

1477
01:49:23.960 --> 01:49:28.920
After he took on his mature flesh, yummy. He came out of

1478
01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:33.560
the bucking shoot in a furious spin
and sometimes just turned and dumped the cowboy

1479
01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:38.239
back into the shoot they came from. And then he had a proud way

1480
01:49:38.319 --> 01:49:43.319
of strutting from the arena when he
finished his brief flurry bull the woods comes

1481
01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:46.520
out of the shoot in a furious
spin too, and many has been dumped.

1482
01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:50.119
The time has been the time he
just dumped the rider back in the

1483
01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:54.960
shoot, And they say he acts
so proude when he trots from the arena.

1484
01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:58.760
You can hear the bull riders gritting
their teeth in anger. The bull

1485
01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:02.159
weighs about thirteen hundred pounds now,
but he will eventually fill out to about

1486
01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:06.479
fifteen hundred pounds and his head is
hornlessen Curly. I want you to read

1487
01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:15.039
that again, And when did you
say bull? Think Dusty it's gonna Dusty

1488
01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:18.520
weighs about thirteen hundred pounds now,
but he will eventually fill out to about

1489
01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:23.319
fifteen hundred pounds and his head is
hornlessened curly. Sup must be the seventies

1490
01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:29.920
Destiny Daddy fuck it in size looking
town. He is almost exactly like Speediegnzals.

1491
01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:33.880
The only difference is that he is
white is a sheet. Seems clear

1492
01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:39.000
he is being touted as Speedies replacement. No one has complained about his name,

1493
01:50:39.640 --> 01:50:43.680
but some have suggested that he just
as he could just as well be

1494
01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:48.960
called Speedy's ghost. Now, there's
a lot of things I feel like we've

1495
01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:54.239
accomplished over ten years of the lapsed
fan. But yes, bringing back to

1496
01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:59.760
life this nineteen sixty six right up
on Bull of the Woods and whoever wrote

1497
01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:04.439
this, where are you gone?
I'm like, what? What? What

1498
01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:10.760
did I right there? Oh?
I'm right, I'm sure you're proud of

1499
01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:18.840
it? Then what? Absolutely,
I'm not proud of anything. Listen,

1500
01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:20.880
I want to tell you. I'm
wanna tell you right now, I'm not

1501
01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:25.560
proud of a damn thing. Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you,

1502
01:51:28.359 --> 01:51:30.960
And don't you tell me otherwise.
All right, So let's hear from Dusty

1503
01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:36.000
here. These are some clips from
a shoot interview he did in nineteen ninety

1504
01:51:36.039 --> 01:51:42.000
nine with RF Video rob Minsteining Company. Rather famously, A Cody, a

1505
01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:45.039
young Cody must have been like ten
years old or whatever, twelve or maybe

1506
01:51:45.079 --> 01:51:46.800
he's in high school, was kind
of walking around in the background. He's

1507
01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:50.239
on a camera, but Dusty makes
reference to him milling about the home.

1508
01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:54.800
So this is Dusty after wc W
had gotten rid of him, after he

1509
01:51:54.960 --> 01:51:58.600
was sort of cast about and in
the wrestling business and trying to find a

1510
01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:01.760
way to you like a Turnbuckle Championship
Wrestling promotion. He started he wanted to

1511
01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:05.840
do like a fantasy camp for wrestlers, and eventually Paul Hayman hires him in

1512
01:52:05.920 --> 01:52:11.960
ECW and he does a program with
Steve Karino that's been referenced that was referenced

1513
01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:15.720
in some of the interactions that Cody
had with Paul Hayman where you know,

1514
01:52:15.760 --> 01:52:18.600
they got teary eyed over the notion
that Dusty was down on his luck and

1515
01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:23.720
Paul found a way to get him
paid respect for the family. And so

1516
01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:28.000
that's sort of the position Dusty's in, so he's not really in a position

1517
01:52:28.039 --> 01:52:30.439
to give a fuck. He's you
know, the business has kind of spit

1518
01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:34.560
him out a little bit. So
he's shooting and it's a great interview and

1519
01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:38.279
it's pretty much the only one of
its type I've seen from dust. I

1520
01:52:38.359 --> 01:52:42.479
know there's some things in several shooting
interviews he did. He did one that

1521
01:52:42.600 --> 01:52:47.800
we excerpted from an Art of War
Games with Gabe Zapolski going through his book

1522
01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:50.720
from nineteen eighty seven with all the
dates and the cards and everything in it.

1523
01:52:50.840 --> 01:52:55.920
But this is, uh, I
think the definitive career shooting interview.

1524
01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:58.239
I'd encouraged to check it out.
But here he is kind of setting the

1525
01:52:58.279 --> 01:53:01.319
scene for us for what it was
like to compete with Vince in the eighties.

1526
01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:11.840
What was it like to fight Vince
had on in the eighties. It

1527
01:53:12.039 --> 01:53:14.479
was fun because you would go to
you would go to a Philly well.

1528
01:53:14.479 --> 01:53:16.680
You would be in the civic Center
and they would be at the spectrum.

1529
01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:20.399
We started with twelve hundred people or
nine hundred people in the civic center.

1530
01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:25.359
Pretty soon we got eight thousand.
We're busting balls, the warriors and you

1531
01:53:25.439 --> 01:53:30.039
know, and uh uh everybody there. We're busting balls in that building.

1532
01:53:30.680 --> 01:53:33.279
And we'd go to the Marriott.
Let's close the room off and would all

1533
01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:39.880
sit back there together, you know, I mean, WWF and a in

1534
01:53:40.039 --> 01:53:44.520
Wa and uh Crockett. And it
was good. It was a war.

1535
01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:46.840
And you always wondered what they were
doing and what I mean. We couldn't

1536
01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:49.960
get in their buildings, you know, we would get one of their buildings

1537
01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:53.399
and do good. We would get
a building in Pittsburgh and do the ships.

1538
01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:58.520
Except for the record to date in
Pittsburgh arena with me in the Boston

1539
01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:02.880
Man, Me and Big Blabba and
the cage scalping chickets. That's when we

1540
01:54:03.000 --> 01:54:05.680
finally turned in there. It was
again, okay, well it's Dusty Rose,

1541
01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:10.399
but who the who the hell do
you think Big Bubba put all the

1542
01:54:10.479 --> 01:54:12.840
people in the building. How do
you think they fucking got in the building.

1543
01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:15.119
It was a package that I put
with me with you. It was

1544
01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:19.319
a package. But then there's a
match that there's all there's something up here

1545
01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:26.159
at the end that they would die
to see. You know. That's limp

1546
01:54:26.199 --> 01:54:30.119
dig Biscuit, limb Biscuit, Uh, limb Biscuit, who are great kids,

1547
01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:33.520
but they're that's them here and they
might have four other bands here.

1548
01:54:34.920 --> 01:54:39.319
Doesn't mean they're worse than them.
But there's somebody that you want to see.

1549
01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:42.560
So that that was a turning point
for the company, the Pittsburgh Show.

1550
01:54:43.439 --> 01:54:47.159
Uh, And I think if we
hadn't tried to run the whole world,

1551
01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:50.399
we would have probably still been there, you know, without the move

1552
01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:56.640
to Texas and everything. But uh, it was uh and vinced was uh

1553
01:54:58.119 --> 01:55:02.439
conversations back and forth. We always
kept in touch. Junior and myself.

1554
01:55:02.560 --> 01:55:08.079
We grew up to business at the
same age we grew up together. I

1555
01:55:08.199 --> 01:55:13.039
was a start for him. So
we kept we kept in touches. We

1556
01:55:13.119 --> 01:55:15.039
still do today. You know,
even when he computed to kept Yeah,

1557
01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:19.199
yeah, yeah, it was not
It was not a like you know,

1558
01:55:19.279 --> 01:55:23.199
how you're doing or whatever, not
not much what ever said about the business

1559
01:55:23.479 --> 01:55:30.159
right, And he had a great
ability to make you feel bad, you

1560
01:55:30.239 --> 01:55:32.159
know what I mean because of how
you know, we cud. He just

1561
01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:35.239
kicked your ass without saying it.
You know, that's just the way it

1562
01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:42.239
was. But yeah, it was
great. Kicked your ass without saying it's

1563
01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:46.079
right, that's right. So that's
right. The notion that Vince and Dusty

1564
01:55:46.159 --> 01:55:50.920
were talking collegiately and socially during the
course of all this warfare we're discussing,

1565
01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:56.079
I just I love the notion.
I love the idea that Dusty thinks he's

1566
01:55:56.079 --> 01:56:00.279
still friends with Vince while Vince completely
destroys weakly ever been. I mean,

1567
01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:04.399
we're we're all friends. I mean
we have we have, you know,

1568
01:56:04.680 --> 01:56:11.840
a compatible nature of individuality and desire. I just wonder, you know,

1569
01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:14.399
frankly, when it came down to
pick up the phone and catch up with

1570
01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:26.239
dust what would that sound, dyke? But big fin babies. It's a

1571
01:56:26.279 --> 01:56:30.600
big conm duff the roads. Oh
dad, if if the big duff,

1572
01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:39.800
Daddy, big duff. Does anyone
know a big duff? No, not

1573
01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:45.840
at that big duff daddy Duff the
roads. Oh yeah, yes, yes,

1574
01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:51.039
Hi. What can I do for
you, sir? Maybe I'm just

1575
01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:55.239
going to say hello, we're gonna
I just wanted to check in, Daddy.

1576
01:56:55.439 --> 01:56:58.159
I know that you've been You've been
doing the thing, baby, You've

1577
01:56:58.159 --> 01:57:04.600
been working the business, You've been
doing so well that fails and taking care

1578
01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:08.119
of Thames. But just want to
check in and see how you're doing,

1579
01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:15.560
Daddy. Uh, well, I
would like to say that. Can can

1580
01:57:15.640 --> 01:57:20.600
somebody tell me? Hold hold on? Dusty? He wants to know how

1581
01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:26.600
I'm doing? Can somebody please tell
me how I'm doing? All right?

1582
01:57:27.239 --> 01:57:35.279
Okay, Dusty, I'm fine.
That's great, Daddy. He's so excited

1583
01:57:35.319 --> 01:57:42.720
to talk to this guy. Well, Dad, I just felt happy about

1584
01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:45.000
that. Baby. You know,
I'll check it in. You know how

1585
01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:48.039
Linda doing? Baby? Hold hold
on? This is gonna take all day,

1586
01:57:49.199 --> 01:57:51.680
Dusty. Are we gonna keep asking? Are you just keep asking questions?

1587
01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:56.000
Or do you have something to actually
hold on? How's Linda doing?

1588
01:57:56.039 --> 01:58:02.640
Does anyone know has anyone seen Linda? Oh? Wait, all right,

1589
01:58:02.680 --> 01:58:06.039
which lind are you talking about?
Maybe I'm talking about your wife, Daddy?

1590
01:58:06.520 --> 01:58:13.800
Right, No, No, my
wife's not Hogan. What she She's

1591
01:58:13.880 --> 01:58:20.840
fine? She's not fine? Action
what I'm getting conflicting stories here? Dost

1592
01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:27.239
he she? Dusty? The truth
that she may be fine, she may

1593
01:58:27.279 --> 01:58:29.800
not be fine. We're not sure. We're checking in on that. What

1594
01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:31.960
else can I do for your Palin? Well? Baby, I just wanted

1595
01:58:31.960 --> 01:58:34.800
it. I just wanted to fit
in chatting daddy talk about the old time,

1596
01:58:35.000 --> 01:58:39.640
baby, talk about the good time
in the business together, getting him

1597
01:58:39.640 --> 01:58:41.920
in the business. Baby. You
know I'm gonna talk about your dad,

1598
01:58:42.479 --> 01:58:45.920
Dusty. We don't talk about my
dad. We don't talk about him.

1599
01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:53.199
He's dead and he's dead to me. But uh, okay, well what

1600
01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:56.119
about this baby? Let's talk about
you know what? You know? What's

1601
01:58:56.159 --> 01:58:58.600
going on in your personal life?
Baby? Ware? You band? Who

1602
01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:00.079
are you? Who are you going
around with? Who you're hanging out with?

1603
01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:03.319
Baby? How have a hoax for
doing? Daddy? You haven't dinner?

1604
01:59:03.399 --> 01:59:13.239
Baby? What's going on? Baby? I want to know? Well?

1605
01:59:13.319 --> 01:59:17.960
You well, you see dust Uh, what's going on? I guess

1606
01:59:18.279 --> 01:59:21.359
I'm in the process right now of
booking it down. That will come from

1607
01:59:21.520 --> 01:59:26.199
the obliterate you. I mean what
I'm doing is, uh, you know,

1608
01:59:26.439 --> 01:59:30.159
we are we are in the midst
the WWE, in the midst of

1609
01:59:30.399 --> 01:59:34.920
of a of a of a big
transformation. That's digital transformation. He says

1610
01:59:34.960 --> 01:59:40.560
digital transformation in nineteen eighty six.
You mean digital trans We talk on Daddy

1611
01:59:40.560 --> 01:59:43.680
digits on Well, Dusty, what
we're trying to do is, at the

1612
01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:51.000
end of the day, we're trying
to create a cloud based So Dusty wasn't

1613
01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:58.720
the only one with his head in
the clouds. A cloud based bandwidth U

1614
02:00:00.239 --> 02:00:05.760
line alignment. But what a hypo? But I know you scale it.

1615
02:00:09.159 --> 02:00:11.720
What if it's ship you talking about
finnergy? Is that what you're talking about?

1616
02:00:12.079 --> 02:00:14.199
Yeah, well, Dusty, we
are talking about synergy. I'm talking

1617
02:00:14.239 --> 02:00:18.199
about paradigm, synergy, learnings,
holistic natures and things of that nature.

1618
02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:24.600
We're talking about. Uh, you
know what is you know the big question

1619
02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:27.439
we have here in the w w
E is what is going to be the

1620
02:00:27.560 --> 02:00:31.960
next gen thing? Hey, you
asked him what's on his mind? You

1621
02:00:32.039 --> 02:00:34.800
want to make small talk? This
is what you get. Maybe what what

1622
02:00:35.119 --> 02:00:39.560
next gen? What are you talking
about dust The bottom line is we get

1623
02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:43.119
there are a lot of big things, a lot of it's technical. You

1624
02:00:43.199 --> 02:00:46.239
know, we have you know,
we're looking at a holistic culture here in

1625
02:00:46.279 --> 02:00:51.880
the WWE with buy ins and and
uh you know ro Ois, you know

1626
02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:56.359
influencers, But what the fuck is
an influence? What do you mean?

1627
02:00:57.279 --> 02:01:00.600
What what? I guess the computer
took your plans? Dad, I guess

1628
02:01:00.399 --> 02:01:03.880
I guess. What I'm saying is
that, you know what, a computer

1629
02:01:04.039 --> 02:01:09.319
took your place, daddy. And
here's a nice gold watch, and go

1630
02:01:09.479 --> 02:01:16.279
pay your wages, your dumb stick. So that Pittsburgh show he's talking about

1631
02:01:16.520 --> 02:01:20.319
was February twenty seventh, nineteen eighty
seven, at the Civic Arena, sold

1632
02:01:20.359 --> 02:01:26.239
out house north of sixteen thousand fans
to see in the main event, Dusty

1633
02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:29.520
Rhoades defeat Big Bubba and a steel
cage match which was called the Bunk House

1634
02:01:29.640 --> 02:01:33.119
Stampede Finals. So maybe that's where
Dusty got me. You know what,

1635
02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:39.560
Winter Northeast, we did a hell
of a house last year, right,

1636
02:01:40.760 --> 02:01:45.680
and then Bubba leaves him. So
you know exactly what show convinced McMahon to

1637
02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:53.680
make an entreaty to Big Bubba.
Probably this show and yeah, so maybe

1638
02:01:53.680 --> 02:01:56.800
you can start to see why Dusty's
mind would go to the Bunkhouse Stampede for

1639
02:01:56.880 --> 02:02:00.840
nineteen eighty eight when he needed something
that was able to fill in Northeast Arena

1640
02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:06.479
and be paper view quality, or
we should have tried better at pay per

1641
02:02:06.560 --> 02:02:10.399
view quality. Yeah, yeah,
that's a because there's a much better card

1642
02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:13.720
Dusty Bubble one on one in a
cage that as the bunk House Final four

1643
02:02:13.800 --> 02:02:18.199
hundred grand that works one hundred,
Nikida's US Champ against Flair as World Champion,

1644
02:02:18.680 --> 02:02:24.279
right US champers World Champ second from
the top, similarly to the Hawk

1645
02:02:24.359 --> 02:02:28.920
match finishes by DQ. But that's
that's another story. They had Ruden Fernandez

1646
02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:31.239
over the Rock and Rolls for the
Tag Championships, they had Tully and Tim

1647
02:02:31.279 --> 02:02:39.600
Horner, Les Luger in action.
They solid card again that did I guess

1648
02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:43.439
there's conflicting numbers. Some say seventeen
five twenty one, some say sixteen thousand,

1649
02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:46.319
six hundred. Either way, it
was a sellout in Pittsburgh, which

1650
02:02:46.439 --> 02:02:50.479
is, you know, very important
and very impressive. Yeah, for sure,

1651
02:02:50.720 --> 02:02:55.279
not something you hear, but when
they come back for not something you

1652
02:02:56.720 --> 02:03:00.079
would expect when this show bunk House
is presented as like this almost first foray

1653
02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:02.279
into the Northeast, that was a
total flop. It's like, no,

1654
02:03:02.479 --> 02:03:06.119
actually, they had already done all
the towns. They had done Philly,

1655
02:03:06.199 --> 02:03:10.359
like Crazy, Pittsburgh, New York, even this building in fact, with

1656
02:03:10.439 --> 02:03:14.199
war games into a hell of a
house and back Jenry twenty fourth, it's

1657
02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:18.039
only six thousand in attendance, so's
there's no there there any longer. But

1658
02:03:18.239 --> 02:03:21.479
a nice color from the Amaic and
dream. They're talking about competing with Dust

1659
02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:27.000
with Vince in the eighties and the
boys getting together, you know, when

1660
02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:32.159
they were in overlapping towns and talking
amongst themselves. We excerpted this on the

1661
02:03:32.239 --> 02:03:35.079
Rumble eighty eight show because it was
relevant. We'll do it again here on

1662
02:03:35.079 --> 02:03:40.399
the bunk House Show because it's relevant. These passages here set the stage beautifully

1663
02:03:40.399 --> 02:03:44.079
from Shauna sales, book, sex, lies, and headlocks. In retrospect,

1664
02:03:44.119 --> 02:03:45.840
he would have been better off with
a more developed sense of paranoia because

1665
02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:49.760
Vince McMahon had no intention of letting
Crockett crash a party heat started. WrestleMania

1666
02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:53.279
three had turned into the mother of
all pay per view events up to that

1667
02:03:53.359 --> 02:03:56.079
point. On the heels of his
success, Vince announced that he was going

1668
02:03:56.119 --> 02:03:59.520
to air a new event called Survivor
Series on Thanksgiving, the very same day

1669
02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:01.720
as Stark eighty seven. A cable
company that wanted Survivor's series not to mention

1670
02:04:01.800 --> 02:04:05.399
future WWF events had to promise it
wouldn't air any other pay per view that

1671
02:04:05.520 --> 02:04:10.159
day. It was a bloodbath.
Only five cable companies out of the original

1672
02:04:10.279 --> 02:04:14.520
two hundred stayed loyal to the Crocketts
and put Starcade on. Starcade wound up

1673
02:04:14.560 --> 02:04:16.199
being bought by just fifteen thousand homes, leaving the company to take in just

1674
02:04:16.359 --> 02:04:20.239
eighty thousand dollars after expenses. Crockett
might have weathered it if he had a

1675
02:04:20.279 --> 02:04:24.119
strong base, but as he looked
around, he realized that the twin revenue

1676
02:04:24.119 --> 02:04:27.760
streams he'd hoped would carry him to
the top pay per view income and national

1677
02:04:27.800 --> 02:04:30.880
advertising sales were bone dry. What
he needed was a salesforce akin to the

1678
02:04:30.920 --> 02:04:33.359
one Vince It built. Instead,
all he had was a few fast talking

1679
02:04:33.399 --> 02:04:36.920
consultants in New York at a bunch
of greatful wrestlers driving Mercedes in Dallas.

1680
02:04:36.960 --> 02:04:40.920
As he turned to his bankers to
make up for cash flow, problems,

1681
02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:44.920
resentments, and the family began to
flare. David, who'd grown up sharing

1682
02:04:44.960 --> 02:04:47.319
the same room with his brother,
had the choke back discussed every time he

1683
02:04:47.399 --> 02:04:50.600
flew to Dallas and saw the suite
of marble floored offices bearing his father's name,

1684
02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:55.720
Big Jim Crockett. Their father always
told him never to flaunt their money

1685
02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:58.000
before the public, which is why
he ran things out of his house until

1686
02:04:58.039 --> 02:05:00.520
his wife got a new white carpet. Only then did he move his office

1687
02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:03.399
to a boarded up convenience store marble
floors. David was sure their father was

1688
02:05:03.479 --> 02:05:06.520
turning in his grave. Like many
of the wrestlers, David also believed that

1689
02:05:06.600 --> 02:05:09.960
Rose was running on fumes. For
one thing, he'd all but given up

1690
02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:13.039
on writing. The days of his
half hour classic matches were gone, replaced

1691
02:05:13.079 --> 02:05:15.399
by bland a Blinking You miss A
playlets. Roads argued that he didn't want

1692
02:05:15.399 --> 02:05:18.159
to give away the best material free
on television because he needed to save it

1693
02:05:18.239 --> 02:05:21.640
for pay per view. Either way, the Saturday night show on TBS that

1694
02:05:21.680 --> 02:05:25.800
McMahon had left with the five point
three rating was doing a two point nine.

1695
02:05:26.079 --> 02:05:29.880
In October nineteen eighty seven, the
Enway extended down to the arena shows,

1696
02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:32.600
where Roads insisted on penciling himself in
his Flaire's challenger, long after the

1697
02:05:32.640 --> 02:05:36.239
fan stopped caring worse he'd fallen in
love with the transparent trick, ending Dusty

1698
02:05:36.279 --> 02:05:39.760
would win their matches, only to
have the referee to squalify him and a

1699
02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:44.000
technicality after the bell told. The
scheme allowed Flare to retain the NWA belt,

1700
02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:45.520
but at a cost his title was
diminished, while Roads, whose weight

1701
02:05:45.560 --> 02:05:49.680
problem was becoming embarrassing, clung to
the limelight. At Christmas nineteen eighty seven,

1702
02:05:49.760 --> 02:05:53.880
Roads launched a last gasp series of
punkhouse stampede events in which two dozen

1703
02:05:53.920 --> 02:05:56.960
wrestlers started in a ring and got
eliminated. That's not quite accurate. He

1704
02:05:57.000 --> 02:06:00.920
was already doing those and got eliminated
his eachist and over the ropes until one

1705
02:06:00.960 --> 02:06:03.520
was left standing. Roads at wrestlers
flinging garbage cans and tire irons while dressed

1706
02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:06.520
in stetsons and spurs, and after
eight successful shows, he decided to turn

1707
02:06:06.520 --> 02:06:09.479
the whole thing into a pay per
view. The main event was to be

1708
02:06:09.520 --> 02:06:12.920
a cage match, literally a match
held inside a locked wire cage placed over

1709
02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:15.600
the ring. Among the prior eight
bunk House Winners. Once again, he

1710
02:06:15.640 --> 02:06:17.760
penciled himself into in the main event. The Jury twenty fourth, nineteen eighty

1711
02:06:17.760 --> 02:06:21.760
eight show might have done business in
Atlanta or Dallas, yet Crockett inexplicably decided

1712
02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:25.399
to stage it at Long Island.
It's not inexplicable. He did great business

1713
02:06:25.439 --> 02:06:29.159
there in November, Long Island's Nassau
Colisseum, a place that owed more to

1714
02:06:29.239 --> 02:06:33.239
Billy Joel than Billy Jack. Making
matters worse. Mcmaan once again counter programmed

1715
02:06:33.239 --> 02:06:36.319
another show aimed to hobble Crockett.
This tied me decided to attack the a

1716
02:06:36.399 --> 02:06:39.960
cable, creating a Battle Royal of
his own and airing it free on USA.

1717
02:06:40.279 --> 02:06:42.600
More than three million homes tuned in
to see the show called The Royal

1718
02:06:42.720 --> 02:06:45.560
Rumble, a record up to that
time for the network and the most homes

1719
02:06:45.600 --> 02:06:48.399
ever tuned to a wrestling show,
that is to sand Cable. Jim Cornette

1720
02:06:48.399 --> 02:06:51.520
remembers sitting in the Colisseum's locker room
for the Crockett show and looking around at

1721
02:06:51.560 --> 02:06:55.359
the long faces. We wanted to
be there like we wanted to have our

1722
02:06:55.399 --> 02:06:58.159
mothers hooked up to a machine,
he said. The crowd was dead.

1723
02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:00.199
They hated everything because they've never seen
it. They hate everything. What they

1724
02:07:00.279 --> 02:07:04.680
hated, Jim, was that matches
went twenty five minutes and ended via DQ.

1725
02:07:05.479 --> 02:07:10.279
Yes. What they hated was Nikita
Coloff with one of the best workers

1726
02:07:10.319 --> 02:07:13.479
in the business, Bobby Eaton,
working a hammer lock for fifteen of those

1727
02:07:13.520 --> 02:07:18.560
twenty minutes. That's exciting stuff.
But they hated was the fact that no

1728
02:07:18.680 --> 02:07:23.159
one cared enough to put together a
card that had any significance for these people

1729
02:07:24.399 --> 02:07:30.079
in terms of the results. Yep. After it was over, several wrestlers

1730
02:07:30.119 --> 02:07:32.520
climbed into it. They hated everything
because they'd never seen it. Cornett's quoted

1731
02:07:32.560 --> 02:07:36.479
as saying they just saw it November
in this building. After it was over,

1732
02:07:36.560 --> 02:07:40.680
several wrestlers climbed into a limousine to
head to the Helmsley Palace hotel in

1733
02:07:40.720 --> 02:07:43.439
Manhattan. I think that's a innacurate
I think it was another hotel. As

1734
02:07:43.479 --> 02:07:45.560
we'll get to a Tony Schavanne who
remembers a different hotel. Tully Blanchard,

1735
02:07:45.600 --> 02:07:48.079
who was in a foul mood,
was one of them. Dusty just shook

1736
02:07:48.159 --> 02:07:53.479
himself. Pardon me, Dusty should
just book himself against Dusty. Tully muttered,

1737
02:07:54.159 --> 02:07:57.359
at the hotel bar, Blanchard's mood
got worse. This is the post

1738
02:07:57.439 --> 02:08:00.720
match scene I was talking about with
every new drink that got pored. Finally,

1739
02:08:00.720 --> 02:08:03.960
he and Crockett exchanged words. Dusty's
a genius, Crockett insisted and walked

1740
02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:07.840
away. What a pitch now,
I was thinking about it. Dust's genius.

1741
02:08:07.920 --> 02:08:11.119
I'm telling you he's a genius.
I believe he's a genius, and

1742
02:08:11.159 --> 02:08:13.600
I believe that he has only just
scratched the surface of his ability as a

1743
02:08:13.640 --> 02:08:16.760
book. If you know better than
him, Telly, i'd ask, what,

1744
02:08:16.960 --> 02:08:20.279
why isn't your daddy in business anymore? Well, I'm gonna do right

1745
02:08:20.319 --> 02:08:22.279
now. I'm gonna go up to
my room and buy a porn over.

1746
02:08:22.479 --> 02:08:26.880
That's correct, Jim Crockett. That
was the problem is he would go to

1747
02:08:26.960 --> 02:08:33.000
his room and important decisions had to
be made and just tent polled, set

1748
02:08:33.079 --> 02:08:35.000
up shop in his room, and
just had like a forty five minutes sash

1749
02:08:35.720 --> 02:08:39.039
Right fell asleep because he couldn't,
because he couldn't get a woman right,

1750
02:08:39.960 --> 02:08:43.039
he couldn't do all this stuff.
He couldn't he couldn't play like the fucking

1751
02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:46.520
four horsemen. So instead he just
imagined it. Remember that one time you

1752
02:08:46.600 --> 02:08:50.079
had laps to Vince say about Seawn
Michaels. He taught me to dance.

1753
02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:56.039
This notion that Sean Michael's made Vince
feel cool and young and hip and attractive

1754
02:08:56.880 --> 02:09:01.159
by by you know, pushing him. It's exactly I feel like what Crockett

1755
02:09:01.159 --> 02:09:05.479
had with Dusty. Yeah, I
listened, dust It makes me Dusty listened.

1756
02:09:05.520 --> 02:09:07.560
Dust He taught me what it was
like to be a man. That's

1757
02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:13.479
right, all right, before I
met I wasn't a man, and Dusty

1758
02:09:13.600 --> 02:09:15.720
taught me what it was beat what
it was like to be a man,

1759
02:09:16.239 --> 02:09:18.760
to be, you know, a
bull of the woods if you will.

1760
02:09:18.760 --> 02:09:24.279
And and now I can say,
but I am, I'm the I'm the

1761
02:09:24.600 --> 02:09:30.600
bull of JCP. All right,
That's what I am. And dust he's

1762
02:09:30.680 --> 02:09:37.720
my boy, alight again the bulls, the bulls of of of Jim Crockett

1763
02:09:37.760 --> 02:09:41.319
and uh and and you know what, you're gonna go get yourself a woman.

1764
02:09:41.319 --> 02:09:45.600
I'm gonna go get myself a woman. I'm gonna go up to my

1765
02:09:45.720 --> 02:09:50.800
room, get myself a woman.
Some more smart expenditures of Crockett money fifteen

1766
02:09:52.720 --> 02:09:56.640
hotel room born. But that was
it mean they would go to Vegas on

1767
02:09:56.720 --> 02:10:01.840
the jet, I said, star
Dust on jet and they would take it

1768
02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:03.000
to Vegas just because, you know, they're on the West Coast doing shows

1769
02:10:03.039 --> 02:10:05.159
and they'd hooked to Vegas just so
they could you know, party for a

1770
02:10:05.199 --> 02:10:09.079
little while. Or they'd go try
to feel like hotshots in La or New

1771
02:10:09.159 --> 02:10:16.560
York City. You know, Dusty
kind of convinced Jim that he was a

1772
02:10:16.640 --> 02:10:22.560
big city executive. And Dusty did
that, in my sense of things,

1773
02:10:22.039 --> 02:10:28.439
because it served him. It served
him to think that it served him to

1774
02:10:28.520 --> 02:10:31.920
get Jim to think that he was
his link to being taken more seriously.

1775
02:10:31.520 --> 02:10:35.039
You know, it bothered Jim Crockett
his whole life that he was perceived as

1776
02:10:35.079 --> 02:10:37.920
just like a Charlotte boy. You
know, that he could only Stephen Charlotte

1777
02:10:37.920 --> 02:10:43.920
blah blah blah. But at the
same he's a bitch. What's that's that's

1778
02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:46.720
a problem too. Yeah. Yet
he has this like undying loyalty to people

1779
02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:50.439
that work for him, even when
they're not up to the task of competing

1780
02:10:52.039 --> 02:10:56.760
on a national basis that that cost
him as well, and just generally what

1781
02:10:56.880 --> 02:11:00.680
seems like an unwillingness to confront people. It's like he was one of those

1782
02:11:00.720 --> 02:11:03.840
guys that you know, like,
even when it was abundantly clear that it's

1783
02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:05.960
time for conflict, it's time for
confrontation, he would find a way around

1784
02:11:07.000 --> 02:11:11.239
it and just not do it and
just stay the course instead of having uncomfortable

1785
02:11:11.239 --> 02:11:15.520
conversations. Dusty's a genius, Crockett
insisted and walked away. According to the

1786
02:11:15.560 --> 02:11:16.680
Assale book, this thing is going
to hell and he can't see it,

1787
02:11:16.720 --> 02:11:20.960
Blanchard said to no one in particular. Through the late winter and spring,

1788
02:11:20.039 --> 02:11:24.199
the hard travel and small audiences made
it difficult for everyone to keep going.

1789
02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:26.359
Roads and Flaire started feuding, causing
matches to be rewritten at the last minute

1790
02:11:26.359 --> 02:11:28.960
because they couldn't work together, and
one instance, Crockett had to go to

1791
02:11:30.039 --> 02:11:33.560
Flaire's Charlotte home and beg him to
work just to keep things afloat. Guaranteed

1792
02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:37.520
half million dollars contracts with balloon payments
needed to be paid. And that's the

1793
02:11:37.600 --> 02:11:41.039
big thing. The big thing was
it. When Vince started waiving that big

1794
02:11:41.079 --> 02:11:45.079
money around, Crockett was like,
all right, I can get on pay

1795
02:11:45.079 --> 02:11:48.079
per view and make the money,
So let me commit to these contracts with

1796
02:11:48.159 --> 02:11:52.680
the plan of the money coming in
later and Vince found ways, for example,

1797
02:11:52.840 --> 02:11:56.199
Star Kat eighty seven, which they
were highly counting on to make good

1798
02:11:56.239 --> 02:12:00.479
on these promises that they had made
to keep all this talent came in so

1799
02:12:00.640 --> 02:12:03.399
low due to that power play that
there was nowhere near the money he expected

1800
02:12:03.439 --> 02:12:07.199
to have on hand to pay these
contracts out. And you know, these

1801
02:12:07.199 --> 02:12:09.439
guys are working and they're getting paid, not they're not getting paid on the

1802
02:12:09.560 --> 02:12:13.119
on the course, you would expect
to meet that number with the promise that

1803
02:12:13.159 --> 02:12:15.760
come into the year will make you
whole. And yeah, they could do

1804
02:12:15.880 --> 02:12:18.760
that, but pretty much just for
one year, pretty much, just one

1805
02:12:18.840 --> 02:12:20.119
year could they afford to do that? And then it would it just blew

1806
02:12:20.159 --> 02:12:22.840
the books up, and the books
already weren't in good shape. And that's

1807
02:12:22.840 --> 02:12:26.520
when people start saying, what did
you look at this jet? And these

1808
02:12:26.560 --> 02:12:30.880
are all expenses of course that weren't
necessary in the office. But I think,

1809
02:12:30.960 --> 02:12:35.399
really, when you get right down, speak for yourself, I do

1810
02:12:35.600 --> 02:12:41.199
believe that these are important, that
these are necessities to the business. I

1811
02:12:41.319 --> 02:12:48.840
believe having you know, golden columns
are essential to the to the the appearance

1812
02:12:48.840 --> 02:12:56.680
and the attitude of Jim Crockett promotions. I think having a statue commissioned and

1813
02:12:56.840 --> 02:13:05.239
made of my head, big old
dumb ass head. You know, I

1814
02:13:05.359 --> 02:13:11.239
believe that that is important. You
know, let me tell you that there

1815
02:13:11.359 --> 02:13:15.920
was there was no over the top
spending the money. No, no,

1816
02:13:16.079 --> 02:13:20.520
clearly not. It was all done
with what we needed to. Everything that

1817
02:13:20.600 --> 02:13:33.800
we spend money on was necessary to
to to to succeed. Sweaty ass Jim

1818
02:13:33.880 --> 02:13:39.359
Crockett doing an interview on the CBS, say thank you. We're going to

1819
02:13:41.079 --> 02:13:46.680
do you have done. Someone wipe
my brow, please please wipe my brow

1820
02:13:46.680 --> 02:13:52.119
for God's sake, something, Please
wipe my fucking brow. Anybody. I

1821
02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:56.600
think that's a T shirt fellow out
of Jim Crockett. You here for Jesus

1822
02:13:56.640 --> 02:14:00.880
Christ. Someone please whip my brow. Brow's not well, the brow is

1823
02:14:00.960 --> 02:14:07.199
in a moist state. I've got
like an inch of liquid on top of

1824
02:14:07.239 --> 02:14:09.159
my brow. But again, you
can sell you want about you know,

1825
02:14:09.279 --> 02:14:13.479
the jet travel and the office in
Dallas and the fact there was even a

1826
02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:20.279
jet and these like wild like totally
illogical arrangements of towns that don't you know,

1827
02:14:20.439 --> 02:14:24.640
that don't economize the loop, so
guys are flying all over the place,

1828
02:14:24.880 --> 02:14:28.239
and the big fur coats and all
that shit. You can say all

1829
02:14:28.279 --> 02:14:31.039
you want about that, but it's
really contracts. It was. It was

1830
02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:33.600
the promises made to keep talent in
a time where Vince was able to overpay

1831
02:14:35.199 --> 02:14:37.800
and willing to overpay, especially if
acquiring a talent would hurt Crockett. That

1832
02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:41.560
was really and that's always been his
emo. We've talked about this at nauseum

1833
02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:43.640
now, Like you think it's not
a Vince kind of wrestler, but it

1834
02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:48.039
becomes a Vince kind of wrestler,
like Jericho at ninety nine and the Radicals,

1835
02:14:48.279 --> 02:14:50.920
all these guys you think he would
never want. He wants you real

1836
02:14:50.000 --> 02:14:54.680
bad, Cody. He wants you
real bad. When it can rip the

1837
02:14:54.760 --> 02:14:56.800
heart out of the other guy and
put them on the ropes. That's when

1838
02:14:56.840 --> 02:15:00.760
he wants you. That's when he
wanted the Von Eric's badly. It's all

1839
02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:05.680
the same. So here's Tully Blanchard
in a shoot interview with RF video kind

1840
02:15:05.720 --> 02:15:09.319
of explaining like the full gamut of
people that were owed these kind of huge

1841
02:15:09.600 --> 02:15:13.960
money deals and and sort of the
set up for failure. That was some

1842
02:15:15.079 --> 02:15:22.720
of the contractual promises being made around
this time in Jim Crockett promotions. Actually,

1843
02:15:24.199 --> 02:15:31.600
the whole deal was this My contract
had run out with Crockett in like

1844
02:15:31.800 --> 02:15:43.600
April. They were not pushing to
renegotiate my contract. I was one of

1845
02:15:43.640 --> 02:15:48.600
the first five guys to sign a
contract with guaranteed money. And it was

1846
02:15:48.680 --> 02:15:50.720
not guaranteed money per week. It
was a yearly thing. Right, So

1847
02:15:50.920 --> 02:15:58.239
we've never changed our pay procedures.
It's just if my income would not have

1848
02:15:58.319 --> 02:16:01.079
reached a certain level, he would
have kicked in at the end of the

1849
02:16:01.159 --> 02:16:09.119
year. And my first contract was
for three hundred thousand dollars guaranteed, whether

1850
02:16:09.159 --> 02:16:13.239
I got hurt or whatever. And
I got seventy five the first year,

1851
02:16:13.920 --> 02:16:16.279
one hundred and the second year one
hundred and twenty five, the third year

1852
02:16:16.960 --> 02:16:20.800
and then that had never been hurt
of And so I just and this is

1853
02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:24.439
great. You know, Claire got
one, Dusty got one. I got

1854
02:16:24.560 --> 02:16:37.000
one. I think Magnum got one, maybe Slater, I'm not sure who.

1855
02:16:39.600 --> 02:16:45.920
But in the meantime, the Road
Warriors signed a big contract for five

1856
02:16:46.040 --> 02:16:48.280
hundred thousand dollars. They're Pander manager
three hundred and sixty, for heaven's sakes,

1857
02:16:50.159 --> 02:16:56.040
paying Polo Ellering more than you paid
me. An arn right, is

1858
02:16:56.079 --> 02:17:01.000
there something up wrong with that?
Picture. But I had signed my deal

1859
02:17:01.319 --> 02:17:03.959
and I was happy. When my
deal was up, I wanted to sign

1860
02:17:05.000 --> 02:17:09.040
a contract. I was supposed to
fly to Dallas. They'd moved the office

1861
02:17:09.079 --> 02:17:13.760
to Dallas, and I had my
first day off in like a month and

1862
02:17:13.799 --> 02:17:16.360
a half and I missed my plane
in bad Wasn't that big a deal.

1863
02:17:16.719 --> 02:17:20.159
You know, we got to get
this thing done and we'll do it again.

1864
02:17:20.159 --> 02:17:22.360
I anymore fly to Dallas anyway,
didn't want to move to Dallas,

1865
02:17:22.680 --> 02:17:31.360
so they never really wanted, never
tried real hard to meet me again and

1866
02:17:31.680 --> 02:17:35.120
tell he's faithful and he'll never do
anything and he's loyal and da dada dat.

1867
02:17:35.520 --> 02:17:50.000
Well. In the process of this
time, the negotiation for the sale

1868
02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:56.920
of Crockett Promotions to Turn and Broadcasting
was going on, and during the summer

1869
02:17:56.000 --> 02:18:07.879
time they interviewed. Okay, they
weren't in the hurry to meet with me,

1870
02:18:07.000 --> 02:18:13.799
but TBS's people had people. The
guy that had eventually hired Jim Hurd,

1871
02:18:15.559 --> 02:18:18.959
and I forget his name, but
we met with him. All the

1872
02:18:20.040 --> 02:18:24.040
stars had to go meet with these
people and they'd ask you questions, and

1873
02:18:28.399 --> 02:18:35.079
really, my problem is, I'm
just honest and never really been around the

1874
02:18:35.159 --> 02:18:43.040
corporate world or anything like that.
So it has always been to my own

1875
02:18:43.879 --> 02:18:52.079
detriment. Unfortunately, the guy asked
me, an arn this, this and

1876
02:18:52.200 --> 02:18:56.920
this, and I said this,
this and this. I said, there's

1877
02:18:56.959 --> 02:19:05.280
a reason why we lost three TV
stations this week because ratings and Dusty getting

1878
02:19:05.319 --> 02:19:09.399
back to your point a long time
ago, is there comes a point whenever

1879
02:19:09.440 --> 02:19:13.479
you got the booker. And this
is not against Dusty, this is against

1880
02:19:13.520 --> 02:19:22.239
anybody that ever had that position.
Where when when, when you've only been

1881
02:19:22.559 --> 02:19:28.200
at Florida, the Florida territory or
Georgia territory, one guy could could carry

1882
02:19:28.239 --> 02:19:35.280
the load. This had got bigger
than anybody and nobody it was new ground.

1883
02:19:35.360 --> 02:19:39.200
So I mean, in Dusty's defense, it we'd gone someplace he didn't

1884
02:19:39.200 --> 02:19:43.319
know what to do. Is that
why? I think this is what led

1885
02:19:43.360 --> 02:19:52.879
the Crocus failure. And we had
got to the point where the guy calling

1886
02:19:52.920 --> 02:19:58.319
the shots couldn't be the star anymore
because we needed more stars, okay,

1887
02:20:00.079 --> 02:20:07.399
and we were bigger than that.
And so I said, I said that

1888
02:20:07.479 --> 02:20:13.120
in a meeting to these guys at
TBS, and it made Crockett mad,

1889
02:20:13.239 --> 02:20:22.680
and it made dust too mad.
And but those people asked questions and opened

1890
02:20:22.760 --> 02:20:24.959
up to Pandora's box, and Crockett
called me on the phone and told me

1891
02:20:26.040 --> 02:20:33.000
I wasn't loyal. Tell me you're
not loyal. M I wonder who was

1892
02:20:33.079 --> 02:20:39.159
on the Who's on the background of
that phone call. I'm Telly Blanchard.

1893
02:20:39.479 --> 02:20:45.879
Uh, this this is this is
Jim Crocker, Jim Crockett, I got

1894
02:20:45.920 --> 02:20:48.079
I got something to tell you.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.

1895
02:20:48.159 --> 02:20:52.559
What do you want me to tell
him? Hey, I want you

1896
02:20:52.600 --> 02:20:58.239
to tell me it's not loyal,
Daddy. What I don't understand, Daddy?

1897
02:20:58.280 --> 02:21:00.440
I want you to tell me it's
not loyal. All right, He's

1898
02:21:00.440 --> 02:21:07.680
not Lord the mid Atlantic, Lord
of JCP. Why am I to fucking

1899
02:21:07.719 --> 02:21:11.879
say a daddy? Okay, okay, ty Tyler, You're not loyal.

1900
02:21:16.479 --> 02:21:22.360
Hello, good story, bro,
I'll talk to you later. Here's uh,

1901
02:21:22.440 --> 02:21:26.000
here's Dusty from that shoot kind of
call. And Tully a pain in

1902
02:21:26.000 --> 02:21:33.079
the ascids money and Tully was not
a big guy in the mold of Sean

1903
02:21:33.159 --> 02:21:46.280
Michaels. Maybe good talk, uh, good finishes. What's who's foreigner?

1904
02:21:46.360 --> 02:21:52.840
Maybe at times you know, I
made a lot of money with him.

1905
02:21:52.920 --> 02:21:54.520
When you think back, you don't
want money with money when you take three

1906
02:21:54.600 --> 02:22:01.079
hundred four und grand six hundred grand
compared to it fifty seven hundred, eight

1907
02:22:01.200 --> 02:22:03.719
hundred thousand bucks from the interry in
different eras. But I made a lot

1908
02:22:03.760 --> 02:22:09.719
of money with the Tully. But
I think Tully received the spinoff of flair,

1909
02:22:11.600 --> 02:22:16.200
you know, uh, and the
Horsemen were the first electrified group in

1910
02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:20.159
the history guy industry. That was
kind of different. And where did that

1911
02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:22.159
all come from? So you said, you know? But and I think

1912
02:22:22.200 --> 02:22:26.559
Tully actually called the Fraith one time
on TV. I took that, and

1913
02:22:26.879 --> 02:22:28.200
I would like to take credit for
that, but I'm not sure if I

1914
02:22:28.280 --> 02:22:31.959
said it or he said it or
but I think Tully did it, and

1915
02:22:33.200 --> 02:22:37.440
we took it and ran with it. And that sounds like farting. What

1916
02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:41.600
the fuck is that? What's what's
that's? His dog is asleep next to

1917
02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:46.159
him in snow? Oh my god, he makes reference to it. It's

1918
02:22:46.319 --> 02:22:56.600
hilarious. I mean, it's like
living wow. So okay, so Tully's

1919
02:22:56.600 --> 02:23:01.440
a pain in the ass and it's
tremendous yea. And but yeah, that's

1920
02:23:01.840 --> 02:23:09.200
famously why Telly and Arn ended up
in WWF was you know, the the

1921
02:23:09.479 --> 02:23:13.680
purchasers from Turner Home entertainment or whatever
you must say. Turner Enterprises during broadcasting,

1922
02:23:15.079 --> 02:23:20.000
we're doing due diligence interviews before they
bought Jim Crockett Promotions and right talking

1923
02:23:20.040 --> 02:23:24.920
to people and what's supposed to be
in confidence about what they think is right

1924
02:23:24.959 --> 02:23:28.760
and what they think is wrong about
the organization and what the new ownership should

1925
02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:31.840
consider changing. And Telly Blanchard,
who has that excerpt from the Shawn of

1926
02:23:31.920 --> 02:23:37.280
Sale book indicates is loose with his
tongue when it comes to uh verbalizing.

1927
02:23:37.280 --> 02:23:41.399
At least he was at the time
what he what he thought was unjust or

1928
02:23:41.639 --> 02:23:46.600
wrong or crooked about a situation,
spoke right up and he kind of he

1929
02:23:46.719 --> 02:23:50.680
softballs out a little bit in that
shoot interview, but it basically lays it

1930
02:23:50.719 --> 02:23:54.479
on the shoulders of Dusty, somebody
that had pissed him off, and said,

1931
02:23:54.520 --> 02:23:58.559
you know, that's the problem.
And then naturally the idea that what's

1932
02:23:58.559 --> 02:24:03.799
said in this room is held in
strict confidence is complete bullshit. Of course,

1933
02:24:03.120 --> 02:24:07.520
the word immediately gets to Dusty and
Crockett, thus leading to the phone

1934
02:24:07.559 --> 02:24:16.079
call that Tully mentioned where disloyalty is
broached. So that's just great stuff.

1935
02:24:16.159 --> 02:24:20.559
It's fucking amazing around this time too, Terry Taylor got let Go from again.

1936
02:24:20.680 --> 02:24:26.280
I love, I've always loved and
I will always love. Just how

1937
02:24:26.520 --> 02:24:35.760
fucking how fucking the backstabbing in this
business for something that's so it's not even

1938
02:24:35.879 --> 02:24:46.319
something that that that that's regarded with
respect from most people, you know,

1939
02:24:46.280 --> 02:24:50.159
and so to have all this shit
go on backstage, the fact these guys

1940
02:24:50.200 --> 02:24:52.600
don't all look look at each other
and say, you know, we're goddamn

1941
02:24:52.680 --> 02:24:56.360
lucky that we all, when working
together, can pull the wool over the

1942
02:24:56.399 --> 02:25:00.600
public's eyes to the point that they
make this millionaires. They all just fight

1943
02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:05.639
with each other about who deserves some
credit for it all, and none of

1944
02:25:05.639 --> 02:25:07.280
it's real, Like, right,
I mean it's real that you can,

1945
02:25:07.319 --> 02:25:09.280
you know, this guy can draw
better than the next guy, this guy

1946
02:25:09.319 --> 02:25:13.200
can have better matches. But it's
not not a competition. It's not no

1947
02:25:13.639 --> 02:25:18.840
right, I mean, they're not
going out there like you know. Again,

1948
02:25:18.159 --> 02:25:24.399
it's it's amazing how there's more how
there's there seems to be more tension

1949
02:25:24.719 --> 02:25:28.360
in a fake sport than in a
real sport. It kind of makes sense

1950
02:25:28.440 --> 02:25:33.079
because in a real sport, you
say whatever you want about politics and it's

1951
02:25:33.280 --> 02:25:35.479
valid. It's it's it's a part
of the business in any sport. But

1952
02:25:35.600 --> 02:25:37.639
at the end of the day,
are you going to produce on the field

1953
02:25:37.760 --> 02:25:41.559
or on the court or not.
You have a chance to shove it down

1954
02:25:41.600 --> 02:25:45.680
the throat of people who might say
things like you're not worth the money right

1955
02:25:45.719 --> 02:25:50.159
the spotlight you get right by winning
or not, and that just to sort

1956
02:25:50.159 --> 02:25:52.079
of like the proving ground, there's
sort of like a moment of objectivity.

1957
02:25:52.879 --> 02:25:58.799
I still hold to the thesis that
that's why so many wrestling fans embraced you

1958
02:26:00.040 --> 02:26:03.200
FC in two thousand and five when
they put Ultimate Fighting Run after rob because

1959
02:26:03.799 --> 02:26:09.200
that show gave you pro wrestling style
build up to a showdown, and the

1960
02:26:09.440 --> 02:26:13.079
icing on top of it is that
it's an actual fight. Yea, brother,

1961
02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:16.360
what was that? I'm sorry?
That was a sound that just came

1962
02:26:16.399 --> 02:26:18.159
out of Noah. Yeah, yeah, Okay, tell me more what it

1963
02:26:18.280 --> 02:26:24.479
was the sound? I can't tell
you because it's about under the sentiment okay,

1964
02:26:24.559 --> 02:26:28.799
good one, good job. Yeah
I had a thing. Uh yeah,

1965
02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:33.959
No I can't, I can't.
I can't share it tremendous. So

1966
02:26:33.040 --> 02:26:37.360
it's like, wait, we're getting
this great conflict build up that we love

1967
02:26:37.360 --> 02:26:39.200
about pro wrestling, and then we
actually don't know who's gonna win. It's

1968
02:26:39.200 --> 02:26:43.719
actually gonna be decided by real fists
and feet flying fuck pro wrestling, you

1969
02:26:43.760 --> 02:26:46.799
know, Yeah, it's funny.
I'm that never really excited me about it.

1970
02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:48.440
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of
funny, you know, Like I

1971
02:26:48.520 --> 02:26:52.920
just like you never you know,
you would just watch fights cold. You

1972
02:26:52.959 --> 02:26:56.959
wouldn't see interviews building up. Yeah
the stakes if this guy, you know,

1973
02:26:58.120 --> 02:27:03.280
is made to look like a bitch, it's funny how I just never

1974
02:27:03.520 --> 02:27:07.239
really cared to put the time in, Yeah, to care about a fighter

1975
02:27:07.280 --> 02:27:11.479
outside of Brocklesner. It makes sense. That's why Brock's box office was on

1976
02:27:11.520 --> 02:27:18.600
a different level for so many years. Was contract that contingent of fans that

1977
02:27:18.639 --> 02:27:22.079
were only willing to do exactly what
you were describing get invested when he was

1978
02:27:22.159 --> 02:27:28.920
involved. Yeah, so so great
stuff there. We mentioned that this is

1979
02:27:28.040 --> 02:27:31.639
all around the time that that Lex
Luger broke off from The Horseman. In

1980
02:27:31.680 --> 02:27:35.079
fact, it was December second,
nineteen eighty seven when he turned on the

1981
02:27:35.159 --> 02:27:41.520
Horseman. This is from Jim Dillon's
book Wrestlers Are Like Seagulls. Eventually,

1982
02:27:41.639 --> 02:27:43.399
Lex left the Four Horsemen at December
second, nineteen eighty seven, he turned

1983
02:27:43.440 --> 02:27:46.719
on me. Sorry, I still
think that is the stupidest, terrible,

1984
02:27:46.959 --> 02:27:50.440
terrible title. It's it's it's awful. I mean, I don't know how

1985
02:27:50.520 --> 02:27:56.520
many times I've combed through that book
to remember why he titled at that at

1986
02:27:56.600 --> 02:28:00.120
which he explains, and I still
don't remember it. That's how stupid it

1987
02:28:00.280 --> 02:28:05.319
is so embarrassing. You know,
he's such a fucking idiot. He's tremendous.

1988
02:28:05.600 --> 02:28:11.440
The guy has such an amazing diversity
of experience in the business. When

1989
02:28:11.479 --> 02:28:16.280
you think about don't care, I
don't care. It's a great He's a

1990
02:28:16.360 --> 02:28:20.840
loser. Oh, he's not tremendous
asset business. You know what, as

1991
02:28:20.879 --> 02:28:24.000
long as he names his fucking book
that loser doesn't help. On December second,

1992
02:28:24.079 --> 02:28:26.360
nineteen eighty seventy, he turned on
me during a bunk house stampede in

1993
02:28:26.360 --> 02:28:30.680
Miami Beach and solidified his face turn, giving us yet another fresh opponent.

1994
02:28:30.879 --> 02:28:33.559
Lex worked against Flair at the God
American Bash in Baltimore, Maryland, on

1995
02:28:33.680 --> 02:28:35.879
July tenth, nineteen eighty eight.
So that's still to come here. In

1996
02:28:35.959 --> 02:28:37.399
eighty eight, we were trying to
figure out how to end the match without

1997
02:28:37.440 --> 02:28:41.719
having to pin Luger at the time
the Maryland Commission issued a ruling there was

1998
02:28:41.760 --> 02:28:43.040
to be no blood, and we
know all of that. We know the

1999
02:28:43.120 --> 02:28:48.479
Bash eighty eighth story and the blood
that appears in the match. So the

2000
02:28:48.559 --> 02:28:54.079
point is that despite the missed opportunity, many would consider to not put Luger

2001
02:28:54.120 --> 02:28:56.360
over in the bunk House Stampede on
pay per view and get people gassed up

2002
02:28:56.399 --> 02:29:00.920
about seeing him go for the world
title later in eight. They don't do

2003
02:29:01.000 --> 02:29:03.840
it, and it still happens anyway. That's how obvious it was. Lex

2004
02:29:03.920 --> 02:29:09.120
still ends up campaigning for the championship
and coming into the bunk House Stampede.

2005
02:29:09.479 --> 02:29:13.840
You know, viewers close viewers of
Crockett Television, I think would also have

2006
02:29:13.959 --> 02:29:18.559
reason to think that they were leading
the fans to conclude that this would be

2007
02:29:20.000 --> 02:29:24.319
a crowning achievement night for Lex Luger. It's not like people just invented the

2008
02:29:24.399 --> 02:29:26.319
thought that it would be nice if
Lex one based on their sense of the

2009
02:29:26.760 --> 02:29:31.840
landscape. He was telling them to
get excited. Here's a promo from Crockett

2010
02:29:31.879 --> 02:29:37.399
Television from the Total package on the
Bunkow Stampede. Coverers of National Magazine cards

2011
02:29:37.479 --> 02:29:39.639
and letters by the thousands of this
man who Lex Luger, and he's battling

2012
02:29:39.639 --> 02:29:45.879
against go four horses, no tortfone. Tonight is a big night, the

2013
02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:50.319
big event of the big up best, the final of a bunk house stampede.

2014
02:29:52.040 --> 02:29:54.000
Now, if you're out here,
Tony, I do listen. Arn

2015
02:29:54.040 --> 02:30:00.319
Anderson, Untilly Pride Short. They
probably drop the money stretch. They're the

2016
02:30:00.440 --> 02:30:05.120
funny tune unit. There'll be two
guys in there, there'll be working together

2017
02:30:05.319 --> 02:30:07.959
and they're gonna win all the money. Let's put it what you see that

2018
02:30:09.079 --> 02:30:11.760
doesn't work like that, bitch is
the n W way. We're the best

2019
02:30:11.799 --> 02:30:16.040
switchers in the world now and this
is a turn of the toughest prefessman and

2020
02:30:16.200 --> 02:30:20.520
professional wrestler day, all that are
going the same time. For the cage

2021
02:30:20.559 --> 02:30:22.959
around him, There'll be no friends, there'll be no team where you will

2022
02:30:22.959 --> 02:30:26.600
be able to tag hit it out. So will be our drags top be

2023
02:30:26.680 --> 02:30:33.719
headlocked chignal rule. That's not half
Garion stellars by the line. So you

2024
02:30:33.840 --> 02:30:37.479
see, I've been there. I've
been in the press for fifteen years of

2025
02:30:37.520 --> 02:30:43.159
football, seven years of professional I've
been trained for this night, but there's

2026
02:30:43.200 --> 02:30:46.280
never been anything like it, and
I'll tell you right now, I've been

2027
02:30:46.319 --> 02:30:50.559
a lot of big predictions for the
year to a lot of the people say

2028
02:30:50.600 --> 02:30:52.639
big predictions for the Kicker chickens.
Think of a better way to take it

2029
02:30:52.680 --> 02:30:56.440
off, and I'll walk out of
NASSAUF calls m a half million dollars pincher

2030
02:30:56.600 --> 02:31:05.920
and the winner of the book House
Stampagne. I don't know, Bosses that

2031
02:31:05.959 --> 02:31:09.479
promo get you excited about Lex winning
the bunk House Stampede. It's pretty much

2032
02:31:09.479 --> 02:31:15.079
designed to make you think he's gonna
win it. I mean it. I

2033
02:31:16.680 --> 02:31:20.879
don't know. There's something weird about
Lex Luger promos. Lex Luger is better

2034
02:31:22.440 --> 02:31:28.399
for me when he just wins at
things. When he talks, he's he's

2035
02:31:28.920 --> 02:31:37.959
I've never heard someone come across so
monotone yet be so loud and full of

2036
02:31:37.040 --> 02:31:41.040
expression. Spastic is yeah, you
know, exploding and like it's almost like

2037
02:31:41.079 --> 02:31:46.639
he's having an episode more than talking. It's it's very it's it's always very

2038
02:31:46.719 --> 02:31:54.680
uncomfortable for me to hear him promo
because he's so I can't say I'm excited

2039
02:31:54.760 --> 02:31:58.360
for it, but but just like
the wrestling logic of it coming right off

2040
02:31:58.440 --> 02:32:03.799
that I mean talking about right,
I'm talking about it. Yeah, I

2041
02:32:03.840 --> 02:32:05.840
mean he should probably maybe he should
have gone and one it. I can

2042
02:32:07.319 --> 02:32:11.639
see listening to that promo why people
would come into the Bunk House Stampede expecting

2043
02:32:11.680 --> 02:32:16.319
someone other than Dusty to win it, because it seems like, well,

2044
02:32:16.399 --> 02:32:20.520
that's just that's just that's that's being
that's just plain stupidity. Yeah, it

2045
02:32:20.559 --> 02:32:22.520
turns out to be you should no, no, no, you should always

2046
02:32:22.559 --> 02:32:26.159
just go in there expecting Dusty to
win. Yeah. Yeah, I know,

2047
02:32:26.040 --> 02:32:30.840
I'll save you a lot of trauma. I wonder if they were betting

2048
02:32:30.840 --> 02:32:33.879
once back then, if Dusty would
have come in the favorite, if that

2049
02:32:33.040 --> 02:32:39.680
prevailing wisdom would have held in the
time period. So we hear how Luger

2050
02:32:39.799 --> 02:32:41.440
was talking about the Bunk House Stampede
coming into the show. They did have

2051
02:32:41.600 --> 02:32:48.319
a Sunday syndicated show I believe that
was worldwide. So there was an episode

2052
02:32:48.479 --> 02:32:52.360
of Crockett syndicated television that aired the
day of the Bunk House Stampede pay per

2053
02:32:52.399 --> 02:32:54.840
view. So a lot of these
promos, you know, cut the week

2054
02:32:54.920 --> 02:32:58.559
before or two weeks before to TV
taping I believe in West Virginia are referring

2055
02:32:58.600 --> 02:33:01.600
to tonight, tonight, tonight.
So that was pretty good advertisement for the

2056
02:33:01.639 --> 02:33:07.360
show. Here's how arn't Anderson and
Tully Blanchard talk about the Monk House Stampede

2057
02:33:07.360 --> 02:33:09.719
ahead of the pay per view and
of course the notion of you know,

2058
02:33:11.399 --> 02:33:20.520
teaming together as the horsemen do to
gain advantages in multi person environments. Okay,

2059
02:33:20.680 --> 02:33:22.760
here we are, look four horsemen
together. These two men in the

2060
02:33:22.840 --> 02:33:26.840
championship tonight have an astok policy.
You know, Tony Shivani. Everybody talking

2061
02:33:26.840 --> 02:33:31.000
about freez ass three that what you
have is Rick Flair? Aren't Anderson tell

2062
02:33:31.079 --> 02:33:35.280
me lactor J J. Jillen that's
four. And I don't think that mapromatics

2063
02:33:35.440 --> 02:33:39.239
has changed that much. So all
you intellect, your datis is out there.

2064
02:33:39.559 --> 02:33:43.559
Please remember four horsemen. That's the
way it's started, such a way

2065
02:33:43.600 --> 02:33:48.120
it's always been, and that's the
way it will always be. Now you're

2066
02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:50.360
talking about the finals, it is
the greatest thing that has ever happened.

2067
02:33:50.639 --> 02:33:54.879
Papers your falled. I just all
over the country, all over the world

2068
02:33:54.159 --> 02:33:58.680
tonight, ten men fighting for I
have a million dollars over the time.

2069
02:33:58.760 --> 02:34:03.399
The ain't got the door whatever it
is. But you'll think about it all

2070
02:34:03.600 --> 02:34:07.520
individuals. There's only one team that
made it to the bunk House Finals.

2071
02:34:07.799 --> 02:34:13.079
Aren't Anderson only lectured the world Tag
team champion. And that's exactly what it

2072
02:34:13.200 --> 02:34:16.040
is. It's a unit. Everybody
else gonna be worried about who's shitting in

2073
02:34:16.079 --> 02:34:20.239
the back whatever. Arene and I
will function as you've already seen as the

2074
02:34:20.440 --> 02:34:24.680
ultimate unit in professional wrestling. You
got running the world Warriors has gone.

2075
02:34:24.879 --> 02:34:28.760
You've only got animals. It's you
and me, baby two fifty apiece.

2076
02:34:30.920 --> 02:34:33.840
I can spend that, Holly.
We don't need any more money as far

2077
02:34:33.959 --> 02:34:37.120
as that goes. But I don't
explain to you people as in New York

2078
02:34:37.200 --> 02:34:41.920
City, a city that has bread
hold mullet, you've got people sleeping in

2079
02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:46.159
the streets, the population of state
people as long to the most small town,

2080
02:34:46.600 --> 02:34:50.520
you've got people they want cut their
grandmother's throat. Put us a few

2081
02:34:50.559 --> 02:34:56.200
dollars in sames. I'm talking about
it. People stay there and tell doing

2082
02:34:56.239 --> 02:34:58.319
whatever they can do for a few
mini siy dollars. Now, Luger,

2083
02:34:58.639 --> 02:35:03.959
When you getting a buck out stampede
and you look around, you won't say

2084
02:35:03.040 --> 02:35:07.000
one friend you won't find. If
you think that's too old, throw more

2085
02:35:07.079 --> 02:35:13.639
around him off. So bud So
war Lord Tully, Blackier myself are gonna

2086
02:35:13.760 --> 02:35:18.120
help you for money that side sum
of money. You're out of your mind.

2087
02:35:18.159 --> 02:35:20.799
So Luga keep in mind one thing. This is a big deal for

2088
02:35:20.840 --> 02:35:24.319
the Earsman. We want to win
the second ship for the start Paine,

2089
02:35:24.680 --> 02:35:28.600
for Luga. We're seeing this as
a chance in a case standing with you,

2090
02:35:28.760 --> 02:35:33.120
what's the problem? Sure, yesterday, same type of pelly. You

2091
02:35:33.159 --> 02:35:35.920
don't, Hey, listen, you
don't if we listen to Luga talk told

2092
02:35:35.959 --> 02:35:39.239
maybe you I shouldn't even show up. And that's the lot it turns off,

2093
02:35:41.680 --> 02:35:46.479
aren't Interston Tully Blanchard totally Blanchard at
time sounds like Larry's a biscuit.

2094
02:35:46.719 --> 02:35:52.799
How many glorious years is it?
Tully? But again, you know,

2095
02:35:54.040 --> 02:35:58.319
trying to hold on to the notion
of the horsemen there while Dusty tries to

2096
02:35:58.360 --> 02:36:01.559
de emphasize them. I mean,
they're getting beat every night and whipped around,

2097
02:36:01.639 --> 02:36:05.879
and it's like they're going on like
three consecutive years now of like the

2098
02:36:05.959 --> 02:36:09.879
Horseman just getting fucking plump pummeled everywhere
and still being a huge part of the

2099
02:36:09.920 --> 02:36:15.000
reason anybody buys tickets to these shows. Unbelievable, So it's it never really

2100
02:36:15.239 --> 02:36:18.120
the beat never changes, daddy,
and that's a big part of the problem

2101
02:36:18.159 --> 02:36:20.959
as well. But that's how the
wrestlers were cutting promos leading into the show.

2102
02:36:20.959 --> 02:36:24.159
Here's Tully all those years later in
the shoot interview kind of talking about,

2103
02:36:24.760 --> 02:36:28.680
you know, his his mentality about
the whole event and looking back on

2104
02:36:31.120 --> 02:36:35.760
the frustration of Dusty ultimately coming away
the victor. So we go from Tully

2105
02:36:35.840 --> 02:36:39.280
in eighty eight to Tully and like
whatever, this was ninety nine and he

2106
02:36:39.440 --> 02:36:45.280
was asked to do things that he
couldn't and so when he didn't get the

2107
02:36:45.440 --> 02:36:50.040
push, okay, we switched in
baby face and his first thing as a

2108
02:36:50.120 --> 02:36:56.159
baby face, he doesn't win a
battle Royal New York and our first show

2109
02:36:56.239 --> 02:37:01.159
on Long Island. And that was
a mistake. That that was That was

2110
02:37:01.319 --> 02:37:07.440
a booking calculated mistake because it tarnished
a guy that you just switched baby face

2111
02:37:07.280 --> 02:37:13.399
and made him and also ran.
Okay, even though he was six five

2112
02:37:13.920 --> 02:37:18.280
and and built, he needed the
push of winning the baby face he needed

2113
02:37:18.319 --> 02:37:20.879
to be the guy. Okay,
Dusty was already over. He didn't need

2114
02:37:22.000 --> 02:37:26.799
the push. Okay, he didn't
need to win that match, and Luger

2115
02:37:26.920 --> 02:37:31.399
did and because the other happened,
it started a downfall. In fact,

2116
02:37:31.799 --> 02:37:37.559
in a limousine driving back to Manhattan
to go to the hotel that night,

2117
02:37:37.920 --> 02:37:43.040
I told, I told Francis Crockett
and David Crockett, I said, this

2118
02:37:43.200 --> 02:37:48.799
is the Titanic, and uh and
uh you got you got two engine rooms

2119
02:37:48.840 --> 02:37:52.479
full of water and uh. I'm
not sure they liked it or even remember

2120
02:37:52.520 --> 02:37:58.680
it, but I remember saying it
and uh, uh because it was it

2121
02:37:58.040 --> 02:38:03.440
was. It was a bad stake
that night, pretty clear. Yeah,

2122
02:38:03.600 --> 02:38:07.520
all right, I mean I I
can't agree with him. I mean I

2123
02:38:07.559 --> 02:38:11.520
can't disagree with him. Rather,
I mean, sure Luger, Luger should

2124
02:38:11.559 --> 02:38:13.920
have won, for sure. It's
it's interesting, you know, I think

2125
02:38:15.840 --> 02:38:18.319
he puts it all differently there than
Shawn of Sale does in the book.

2126
02:38:18.360 --> 02:38:20.479
He says, you know, the
twin engines and the Titanic on the limousine,

2127
02:38:20.479 --> 02:38:24.360
as opposed to in the hotel afterwards. Not to say Tully didn't mouth

2128
02:38:24.399 --> 02:38:28.159
off at the hotel afterwards, but
I find it interesting that he he he

2129
02:38:28.319 --> 02:38:31.639
remembers it being in the limousine with
the Crocketts and sort of more of a

2130
02:38:31.719 --> 02:38:35.360
confidence than a public blow up,
you know, he's talking about Luger,

2131
02:38:35.399 --> 02:38:39.159
and everyone's talking about Luger kind of
being getting raw dealed in this thing.

2132
02:38:39.239 --> 02:38:41.079
It's not like he gives a fuck
like Luker's just, you know, all

2133
02:38:41.120 --> 02:38:45.079
he wants to make sure he's paid. That's oh my gosh, oh my

2134
02:38:45.239 --> 02:38:50.040
gosh. Yeah. Absolutely, he
doesn't give a shit. I know he

2135
02:38:50.120 --> 02:38:54.239
doesn't care. Yeah, that's one
thing about Luger in this in this time

2136
02:38:54.280 --> 02:38:58.000
period is he is all business,
all business. And as long as the

2137
02:38:58.520 --> 02:39:03.479
eyes are audit and the teases crossed, and the wife approves of the contract

2138
02:39:03.600 --> 02:39:07.239
language, and he's got Polo sweaters, no doubt, he's not going to

2139
02:39:07.239 --> 02:39:11.559
be the person complains even if he
should be put over. But people who

2140
02:39:11.600 --> 02:39:15.719
have a problem with Dusty, like
Tully, latch right onto this finish of

2141
02:39:15.760 --> 02:39:18.840
the Punk House main event to make
their case. Tony Schavanni is also someone

2142
02:39:18.879 --> 02:39:24.799
who agrees with Tully's perspective on things, as he explained on his podcast about

2143
02:39:24.799 --> 02:39:26.799
this show, Here's what I remember. I remember the line that that Flair

2144
02:39:26.840 --> 02:39:33.079
put in his book where Tully said
Dusty Rhodes should wrestle Dusty Rhodes. He

2145
02:39:33.319 --> 02:39:37.719
said that line to me in the
limousine going back, and if I recall,

2146
02:39:37.879 --> 02:39:41.719
and I think I'm right, there
were two separate limousines going back,

2147
02:39:41.719 --> 02:39:46.000
and I wasn't in limousine with Arne
Tully and Jju and Flair wasn't another limousine.

2148
02:39:46.040 --> 02:39:48.959
I'm not so sure who was with
him, but he said that line

2149
02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:54.079
to me, and when we got
to a Harry's bar, he went and

2150
02:39:54.159 --> 02:39:58.799
confronted Jimmy with it. Jimmy said
something that night that kind of took me

2151
02:39:58.799 --> 02:40:03.239
a back. Now let me preference
this by saying that I was always a

2152
02:40:03.280 --> 02:40:05.040
supporter of Dusty Rhodes. I thought
he had some true and there's no question

2153
02:40:05.559 --> 02:40:11.920
he had no one but put as
much effort and thought into booking matches he

2154
02:40:11.040 --> 02:40:16.200
had, and up until this time
he had made some pretty big money for

2155
02:40:16.280 --> 02:40:20.159
Jimmy Crockett. I don't think there
was any question. I remember that night.

2156
02:40:20.200 --> 02:40:24.440
I don't know if it was after
Tully confronted him or before, and

2157
02:40:24.479 --> 02:40:28.399
I think it was after Tully confronted
Jimmy because I was there. Jimmy's kind

2158
02:40:28.440 --> 02:40:31.719
of shook his head and he said
that Dusty Rhodes was a genius. I

2159
02:40:31.879 --> 02:40:35.040
remember him saying that line, and
I remember thinking to myself. I love

2160
02:40:35.159 --> 02:40:39.200
Dusty, I love his booking,
but doesn't Jimmy see what's going on.

2161
02:40:41.040 --> 02:40:45.040
Lex Luger should have won the Bunk
House Stampede. That was talked about in

2162
02:40:45.079 --> 02:40:48.000
the limousine when I was talking to
Tully, Narn and JJ going to the

2163
02:40:48.520 --> 02:40:54.719
Harry's Bar at the Hemsley Palace,
and and the reason was, and I

2164
02:40:54.799 --> 02:41:01.200
think Tully or maybe aren't said it, that if Luger is going to be

2165
02:41:01.319 --> 02:41:03.000
the top star that we're pushing him
to be, then he should have gone

2166
02:41:03.040 --> 02:41:07.879
over in the thing. But Dusty
successfully put himself over again. When Dusty

2167
02:41:07.959 --> 02:41:11.600
went over in the Bunk House Stampede
won the boot and won the half million

2168
02:41:11.639 --> 02:41:16.600
dollar prize. I was shocked.
I thought Lex Luger was going to win

2169
02:41:16.680 --> 02:41:20.399
the thing, and I didn't know
what was coming down. So when lug

2170
02:41:20.479 --> 02:41:26.399
didn't win it, everybody was upset. Things were not going well, things

2171
02:41:26.440 --> 02:41:31.120
were down since Starkade and what happened
at Starcade, and we were all shocked.

2172
02:41:31.159 --> 02:41:37.319
And Jimmy said that night that Luger
or that Dusty Rhodes was a genius,

2173
02:41:37.399 --> 02:41:39.879
a line that we had heard many
times, but look it sounded like

2174
02:41:41.000 --> 02:41:43.840
to us he was still hanging on
to that. Yeah, it's over,

2175
02:41:45.000 --> 02:41:48.799
Jenny, it's over if he's still
saying Dusty's a genius in the hotel after

2176
02:41:48.879 --> 02:41:52.399
the show, I mean, well, I don't know who didn't watch the

2177
02:41:52.440 --> 02:41:54.959
show, but I thought it was
a brilliant show. It's probably the most

2178
02:41:56.520 --> 02:42:01.719
some of the best wrestling I've ever
seen in the history of the whole,

2179
02:42:03.040 --> 02:42:05.200
whole, the whole thing. I
would be surprised, Tony if we put

2180
02:42:05.319 --> 02:42:07.520
Vins out of business by the end
of the calendar year. I mean,

2181
02:42:07.760 --> 02:42:11.159
look, I'm gonna tell you right
now, Tony, I wouldn't be surprised

2182
02:42:11.159 --> 02:42:16.159
if we put Vins out of business
tonight. That's how fucking great this was.

2183
02:42:18.879 --> 02:42:22.200
Right now, I've got a question
for you, Tony. How much

2184
02:42:22.239 --> 02:42:24.239
do you value your family's livelihood?
How much do you value there will be?

2185
02:42:30.040 --> 02:42:33.680
And I got a question for you, Tony. Now, how much

2186
02:42:33.719 --> 02:42:37.479
money you got in the bank?
Right? How much you got and account

2187
02:42:37.520 --> 02:42:43.520
other people's money? How about account? Yellers? Can h what's your bank

2188
02:42:43.520 --> 02:42:46.680
account number? Do you mean how
much is in there, Jimmy or what's

2189
02:42:46.680 --> 02:42:54.799
the actual account number? Routing?
Please? I like I need your ear

2190
02:42:54.920 --> 02:43:00.959
ear well? How much also?
Can I see your signature, what's your

2191
02:43:01.040 --> 02:43:05.120
social please? And he gives him
all this information just because he's so curious

2192
02:43:05.159 --> 02:43:07.680
of where this is going. And
once Jimmy gets the information, he just

2193
02:43:07.760 --> 02:43:11.040
leaves the bar, say another word. I'll see you back at I'll see

2194
02:43:11.079 --> 02:43:15.719
it back headquarters Tony. Tony goes
to withdraw Hunter bucks the next morning and

2195
02:43:15.760 --> 02:43:24.319
it's all fucking gone. Fucking Dusty
buys a new mink with Tony's money.

2196
02:43:26.559 --> 02:43:31.879
They both do, Jimmy Crockett in
the mink coat like Magnantia want a moron,

2197
02:43:33.600 --> 02:43:35.639
man, Well, look at the
let's see we'll get these match in

2198
02:43:35.719 --> 02:43:43.719
jackets. Uh, how'd you pay
for those? That's a good question,

2199
02:43:43.399 --> 02:43:50.239
my money, right exactly. So
listen, if you're listen, If anyone's

2200
02:43:50.319 --> 02:43:52.559
don't enough to give someone their bank
account number, then that money is the

2201
02:43:52.639 --> 02:43:54.479
person. Well, I mean,
I worked, I worked for you,

2202
02:43:54.600 --> 02:43:58.399
Jimmy, you kind of have to
have my bank account number to pay me.

2203
02:44:00.680 --> 02:44:03.479
Well, maybe I think it's about
time you start paying and that and

2204
02:44:03.559 --> 02:44:07.440
that lot of reasoning. Everybody's dumb
enough to give their employer or their bank

2205
02:44:07.440 --> 02:44:11.920
account number, that's a good point. What the fuck? But yeah,

2206
02:44:11.040 --> 02:44:18.360
Dan correct Tony saying that it was
a different place, but it wasn't.

2207
02:44:18.399 --> 02:44:22.920
It was the Harry's Bar in the
Helmsley Palace hotel in New York. So

2208
02:44:22.799 --> 02:44:26.360
Harry's Bar is not separate and distinct. I remember looking at Harry's Bar's website.

2209
02:44:26.959 --> 02:44:30.920
I think they're like the home of
the First Martini or some bullshit like

2210
02:44:31.000 --> 02:44:33.920
that. So you can see like
them feeling really cool, like you know,

2211
02:44:35.239 --> 02:44:37.239
the Crockett guys, feeling really like
big city going there. It's kind

2212
02:44:37.239 --> 02:44:43.239
of gross, but I know it's
like you were in Long Island, dude,

2213
02:44:43.280 --> 02:44:45.799
Like, I mean, you weren't
playing the garden like I go to

2214
02:44:45.879 --> 02:44:50.879
Manhattan. But you're not fooling anybody, right, I mean, it's it's

2215
02:44:50.079 --> 02:44:54.200
it's still not like this suburban New
York, you know, right right,

2216
02:44:54.479 --> 02:45:00.399
I mean stop, I'm pretty sure
it's a hike to get there too.

2217
02:45:00.879 --> 02:45:05.159
I got a question for your boss
wf's up in Hamilton, Ontario on this

2218
02:45:05.239 --> 02:45:11.559
evening. Correct. Yes, And
we established when we covered World Rumble eighty

2219
02:45:11.559 --> 02:45:13.479
eight that, according to Pritcher,
the whole crew, as far as from

2220
02:45:13.479 --> 02:45:18.559
an office Vince and Company flew in
the day of the show from Stanford.

2221
02:45:18.159 --> 02:45:20.680
It wasn't like there was, you
know, an overnight stay in Hamilton or

2222
02:45:20.719 --> 02:45:24.879
anything for the rumble. They flew
in and I guess they flew out that

2223
02:45:26.159 --> 02:45:33.159
night. Crockett guys are getting together
post show at the Helmsley Palace in New

2224
02:45:33.280 --> 02:45:41.920
York. If Crockett's in New York, do you think one of Vince's lieutenants

2225
02:45:43.479 --> 02:45:50.360
maybe lurking? Yes. Also something
happened that night which was very surprising.

2226
02:45:50.879 --> 02:45:58.280
Oh my god, Gene Okerland showed
up and that's first time I had met

2227
02:45:58.360 --> 02:46:01.879
Jeane Okerland and he was there.
He said he was just staying there.

2228
02:46:01.959 --> 02:46:09.559
He just was in town. And
I guess that was Where was the Royal

2229
02:46:09.639 --> 02:46:16.319
Rumble at that time? Coliseum in
Hamilton, Ontario. Okay, this was

2230
02:46:16.440 --> 02:46:18.840
very late in the night, and
I guess he had flown He had flown

2231
02:46:18.920 --> 02:46:26.120
back. There was thought that he
was here to try to get Lucer to

2232
02:46:26.159 --> 02:46:30.280
go to the w W E.
That was paranoia talked that night. But

2233
02:46:30.479 --> 02:46:35.000
Luker was our big star and we
didn't put him over the bunkhouse stampede.

2234
02:46:35.200 --> 02:46:39.799
So Jimmy held firm to his beliefs
that night at Harry's Bar, while everybody

2235
02:46:39.879 --> 02:46:41.920
was pretty pissed off, and of
course you know, the later the night

2236
02:46:41.000 --> 02:46:46.239
gets, the more people drink,
you know, and the more people you

2237
02:46:46.319 --> 02:46:48.719
know. I mean, let's let's
face, we're in New York City to

2238
02:46:48.799 --> 02:46:52.879
where Cape Fabe is not what it
is if you're in Columbia, South Carolina.

2239
02:46:52.079 --> 02:46:54.600
In other words, if you're in
Columbia, South Carolina, the heels

2240
02:46:54.600 --> 02:46:58.360
and baby Face is not going to
be in the same bar. At Harry's

2241
02:46:58.399 --> 02:47:01.799
Bar in New York City, they
were all on the same They weren't sitting

2242
02:47:01.840 --> 02:47:03.200
side by side of the bar,
but they were in the same room.

2243
02:47:05.639 --> 02:47:11.280
Remember our Black Saturday coverage when Vince
sent Alfred Hayes down to the Omni.

2244
02:47:13.440 --> 02:47:16.760
I do fuck do I have to
want to see the gate. I want

2245
02:47:16.760 --> 02:47:20.600
to see what's going on. We
own this place, now, can you

2246
02:47:20.719 --> 02:47:24.079
imagine? I mean, Oakerland was
on USA Network doing the Dino Bravos segment.

2247
02:47:24.520 --> 02:47:28.280
He's involved in all of these interviews
on the show, and they make

2248
02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:31.280
sure his ass gets back to New
York and in the exact bar all the

2249
02:47:31.319 --> 02:47:37.399
Crockett guys are at too snoop around. I can only assume, what's the

2250
02:47:37.520 --> 02:47:41.280
problem. Imagine, Jean, what's
up? Pal? Hey got a little

2251
02:47:41.319 --> 02:47:43.680
mission for you? I know,
you thought the night's work was over.

2252
02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:50.600
But Car will be picking you up
in minutes. Jane, we got it.

2253
02:47:50.760 --> 02:47:54.040
Listen, you're gonna get picked up. Car is gonna pick you up.

2254
02:47:54.399 --> 02:47:58.879
You're gonna be given several hundred dollars
in cash. What I want you

2255
02:48:00.079 --> 02:48:05.360
do? As I want you to
go to? Where are they? All

2256
02:48:05.440 --> 02:48:11.959
right? The driver's going to Helmsley
Palace. Helmsley What Helmsley Palace? The

2257
02:48:11.040 --> 02:48:18.120
Triple H Palace in the fucking hotel
somewhere in midtown. And you're going to

2258
02:48:20.399 --> 02:48:30.840
You're you're gonna, yeah, you're
gonna buy Lex Luger. What pretty simple

2259
02:48:30.920 --> 02:48:35.639
mission. Not everybody it looks back
on Dusty's decision to put himself over in

2260
02:48:35.639 --> 02:48:41.120
the bunk Castanpete is a negative,
even though you know it's everybody remembers the

2261
02:48:41.159 --> 02:48:43.559
frustrations being expressed on the night,
and despite the fact that he walked out

2262
02:48:43.600 --> 02:48:48.840
of the company in solidarity with Tolly
Blanchard after the aforementioned leaking of what he

2263
02:48:48.959 --> 02:48:54.079
said to Turner executives in the due
diligence phase of the purchase, arn Anderson

2264
02:48:54.680 --> 02:49:00.799
doesn't look back on Dusty's decision as
a negative or at least that's what he

2265
02:49:00.879 --> 02:49:05.920
says. Now, let's hear Arn. This is from Arn's podcast that he

2266
02:49:05.000 --> 02:49:09.600
does with Conrad talking about his feelings
as a participant in the match of course,

2267
02:49:09.799 --> 02:49:16.040
as we established, and and a
talent. On Dusty's decision to win

2268
02:49:16.079 --> 02:49:20.559
the bunk house pretty contract question.
I've never had a problem with that.

2269
02:49:20.840 --> 02:49:26.079
Dusty was the biggest star in the
company. He just was. Ricky and

2270
02:49:26.200 --> 02:49:31.000
Robert you could say, were as
hot as you can get. Yeah.

2271
02:49:31.799 --> 02:49:37.719
It was too a particular age group, mostly women, which really helped draw

2272
02:49:37.799 --> 02:49:41.280
a lot of money. Because if
you've got a lot of women at ar

2273
02:49:41.280 --> 02:49:46.360
wrestling event, kiss who follows them
into the event? A lot of guys?

2274
02:49:46.920 --> 02:49:52.120
Yeah, and kids loved them.
Dusty appealed to everybody, right,

2275
02:49:52.719 --> 02:49:58.159
he was across the board, champion
for everybody, for grandmothers, grandfathers,

2276
02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:03.680
twenty five year olds. He appealed
to everybody, and I'm sure kids too.

2277
02:50:03.840 --> 02:50:05.879
And you know, he's the biggest
star. He was the biggest star

2278
02:50:05.920 --> 02:50:11.239
in the company. And him winning, you know when I want to see

2279
02:50:11.399 --> 02:50:16.479
Okay, that ended with i'man cole
Off as your winner, or aren't Anderson

2280
02:50:16.559 --> 02:50:20.920
as your winner? Or Dennis Condry
one? You know that doesn't have the

2281
02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:26.200
same ring buck House stampede Dusty,
who had him cowboy boots every time you

2282
02:50:26.280 --> 02:50:31.680
saw him. You know, it's
just fit. And if people look at

2283
02:50:31.719 --> 02:50:35.120
it and look at the concept,
it was like a bunch of cowboys having

2284
02:50:35.200 --> 02:50:39.600
a brawl, you know, back
in the in the saloon of the old

2285
02:50:39.719 --> 02:50:43.000
days. That was the theme of
it. And Dusty, you know,

2286
02:50:43.079 --> 02:50:46.360
I had no problem with him when
it was the right choice. There you

2287
02:50:46.440 --> 02:50:52.399
go. So now we know who
was leading a Cody to the ring as

2288
02:50:52.440 --> 02:50:54.280
part of Team Nightmare in a w
F that point in time, I guess.

2289
02:50:54.319 --> 02:50:58.159
So, yes, there's a lot
of that, a lot of sensitivity

2290
02:50:58.239 --> 02:51:03.840
around calling Out's legacy on some of
these things, because you know, Cody's

2291
02:51:03.879 --> 02:51:07.120
everyone's buddy, so it gets a
little sensitive. But you know, there's

2292
02:51:07.159 --> 02:51:13.120
been so much lionization of Dusty,
you know, when he went over and

2293
02:51:13.840 --> 02:51:18.000
re architected NXT and got so many
of the current top stars in the business

2294
02:51:18.479 --> 02:51:20.879
off on the right foot. It's
it's sacrilegious to you know, say anything

2295
02:51:20.920 --> 02:51:26.440
negative about the guy. But any
who was around before he did that and

2296
02:51:26.559 --> 02:51:30.120
before Vince decided to let him back
in the door and let Triple h you

2297
02:51:30.200 --> 02:51:33.520
know, sort of partner with him
to build up NXT remembers with the smirk

2298
02:51:33.680 --> 02:51:39.239
that you know, this is a
guy that was just perceived as just I

2299
02:51:39.319 --> 02:51:43.120
mean, go maniakely driving everything in
the ground he touched, right, I

2300
02:51:43.159 --> 02:51:48.360
mean that's the thing like you get, you get. I mean, it's

2301
02:51:48.440 --> 02:51:56.079
funny how they are these guys who
all they want to do when they're wrestling

2302
02:51:56.200 --> 02:52:01.200
is put themselves over. But then
when they're when they're done and they can't

2303
02:52:01.280 --> 02:52:09.360
fucking work anymore, they're so great
at putting other guys over, getting other

2304
02:52:09.440 --> 02:52:16.479
guys to get over triple hs the
same fucking way. You know, a

2305
02:52:16.600 --> 02:52:22.840
guy that that that sat there for
years and just fucking made our entire college

2306
02:52:22.959 --> 02:52:28.559
career miserable in terms of in terms
of wrestlings watching, Yeah, you know,

2307
02:52:28.719 --> 02:52:35.319
wrestling watching by having to suffer through
all that shit that, but then

2308
02:52:35.680 --> 02:52:39.079
when push comes to shove and he's
on the other side, he's he's a

2309
02:52:39.239 --> 02:52:46.079
much better you know, behind the
scenes guy. Yeah, yeah, it's

2310
02:52:46.120 --> 02:52:48.920
true. It's you know, there
are so many wrestlers like Teddy Yass.

2311
02:52:50.000 --> 02:52:52.239
I think of an others who knew
exactly how to get themselves over, But

2312
02:52:52.360 --> 02:52:56.399
we're never good when putting a position
to get somebody else over. Never really

2313
02:52:56.799 --> 02:53:01.000
could find what until their ass wasn't
on the line. What's that? Until

2314
02:53:01.000 --> 02:53:05.120
their ass wasn't on the line.
Yeah, yeah, I mean dbs.

2315
02:53:05.200 --> 02:53:09.280
He sucked at commentary and he sucked
at managing, and he got no one

2316
02:53:09.319 --> 02:53:13.840
over because he just didn't know how
to find that in somebody else. He

2317
02:53:13.840 --> 02:53:18.239
didn't know how to highlight the qualities
and speak about themselves. Dusty could you

2318
02:53:18.319 --> 02:53:24.280
know? Dusty was someone that could
spot talent and he could evolve his way

2319
02:53:24.360 --> 02:53:28.520
of thinking to see new venues of
appeal, like being able to see page

2320
02:53:28.639 --> 02:53:35.799
for the the pro wrestling representation of
with a Girl with the Dragon tattoo?

2321
02:53:35.079 --> 02:53:39.120
You know, like Finns mcphon does
not like that movie is and he does

2322
02:53:39.159 --> 02:53:45.200
not detect and page a play on
that theme? Which did we make that

2323
02:53:45.319 --> 02:53:48.680
movie? Is that a girl with
the what? Pal? The girl would

2324
02:53:48.799 --> 02:53:54.639
Ricky the dragons tattoo? Exactly correct? Right? Last movie I saw pal

2325
02:53:54.760 --> 02:54:01.200
was Austin Powers and it was hilarious. The last movie I saw was on

2326
02:54:01.399 --> 02:54:09.040
Golden Pond. Oh Man, Like
yeah, once once, it's like once

2327
02:54:09.120 --> 02:54:16.079
they realize that they can no longer
aggrandize themselves and keep themselves in ring performer,

2328
02:54:16.399 --> 02:54:22.399
front and center than sure that in
Tripoli, Dusty. That's the thing

2329
02:54:22.440 --> 02:54:24.799
about it, like because now they're
front and center in a different way.

2330
02:54:24.639 --> 02:54:28.799
Right now, they're now they're the
Now they're the guy everyone thanks, right,

2331
02:54:30.000 --> 02:54:33.920
and they can associate themselves with and
sort of you know, collect dividends

2332
02:54:33.040 --> 02:54:39.600
on the success of the talent that
they usher through. You know, Tripoli

2333
02:54:39.639 --> 02:54:41.000
has done that, I mean,
and anybody who came through an XT when

2334
02:54:41.079 --> 02:54:45.200
Vince was kind of letting him play
with it like a toy and just you

2335
02:54:45.280 --> 02:54:48.719
know, with the whole idea being
to basically keep telling away from Ring of

2336
02:54:48.760 --> 02:54:50.639
Honor in New Japan, even if
Vince would never push them on main roster

2337
02:54:52.079 --> 02:54:56.760
and just let them do their forty
minute you know, aerobic showcases in the

2338
02:54:56.879 --> 02:55:01.280
n XT ring. All those guys, once Vince lost a little bit of

2339
02:55:01.319 --> 02:55:05.000
power and influence, ended up coming
to WW and just worshiping Triple Hs,

2340
02:55:05.079 --> 02:55:07.719
just seeing him as like the vessel. I mean, look no further than

2341
02:55:07.719 --> 02:55:13.159
when Vince first stepped down, how
much more interest there seemed to be in

2342
02:55:13.280 --> 02:55:16.120
talent coming back. All of a
sudden, people were going to aw strictly

2343
02:55:16.120 --> 02:55:20.280
because they knew Vince would never see
anything in them, but I triple h's

2344
02:55:20.319 --> 02:55:24.399
booking WWE, while Jesus Christ,
well, let's I'll fucking fool ourselves.

2345
02:55:24.479 --> 02:55:26.520
We want to be talk guys in
ww At the end of the day,

2346
02:55:26.040 --> 02:55:33.920
Allister Black and others all of a
sudden started making entreaties again that cash brother.

2347
02:55:33.440 --> 02:55:37.959
But you know, opinions all over
the place, apparently on the decision

2348
02:55:37.000 --> 02:55:39.680
for Dusty to go over in the
eighty eight Bunkhouse Dampede. We'd heard from

2349
02:55:39.719 --> 02:55:43.040
Arn Anderson. Let's hear from another
guy in the ad Free Show's family.

2350
02:55:43.479 --> 02:55:46.440
This is Jim Ross Tuck, who
was of course the commentator on the show

2351
02:55:48.239 --> 02:55:52.239
talking about the decision. And I
don't remember any by being overwhelmed with that

2352
02:55:52.360 --> 02:55:54.200
decision. We had a chance right
there, Douse. He was a made

2353
02:55:54.239 --> 02:55:58.280
man, for God's sakes. Yes, he didn't need to win the Buckhouse

2354
02:55:58.399 --> 02:56:07.360
Dampede. It didn't move the needle
and uh and that's just the truth of

2355
02:56:07.479 --> 02:56:11.520
it. So we had a chance
there to elevate somebody, you know,

2356
02:56:11.600 --> 02:56:16.719
maybe Luger, maybe somebody else that
you you have a you have a feeling

2357
02:56:16.760 --> 02:56:20.639
that could get over. But they
just need a little something something to push

2358
02:56:20.719 --> 02:56:26.159
him over the top. But Dussie
went into the bunk house stampede was unnecessary.

2359
02:56:26.879 --> 02:56:30.680
It was just that wasn't more of
an ego thing? Well, instead

2360
02:56:30.719 --> 02:56:37.440
of going still there you go more
importantly? Do we do we know what

2361
02:56:37.559 --> 02:56:41.639
Bob Coddle thinks that we don't.
I'm sure he would say something Sylvanilla,

2362
02:56:41.639 --> 02:56:50.719
Well, you know fans uh as
we're As we're watching the bunk House Stampede,

2363
02:56:50.760 --> 02:56:54.719
I was thinking to myself, the
real one who should have gone over

2364
02:56:54.239 --> 02:57:11.280
was m sounds like Bob, the
one went under meat loaf. Meat loaf

2365
02:57:11.319 --> 02:57:18.120
should go over? How much we
gotta pay him? I mean, I'll

2366
02:57:18.159 --> 02:57:20.559
do anything for love, but I
won't do that. I'll tell you one

2367
02:57:20.600 --> 02:57:26.399
thing i'll do. I'll do anything
for meat loaf. Yeah, that's a

2368
02:57:26.440 --> 02:57:37.799
different conversation. I wish my mom
would make me she's been dead like thirty

2369
02:57:37.920 --> 02:57:41.959
years, Bob Caddle, I wish
my mom would make me a meat loaf.

2370
02:57:41.280 --> 02:57:48.360
Jim My well, Jim, well, Jim just wondering if I could

2371
02:57:48.639 --> 02:57:56.280
get some of my mom's meat loaf
before Oh okay, well Jim just wondering.

2372
02:57:56.000 --> 02:58:01.520
Now what exactly puts Jim in a
position to decide or facilitate the delivery

2373
02:58:01.600 --> 02:58:05.559
of mom's meat loaf to Bob,
Like, why is he someone you just

2374
02:58:05.799 --> 02:58:18.360
have to check in with on this
anybody? Starkaide memorial tour Bob Kydle coming

2375
02:58:18.399 --> 02:58:22.159
home after Thanksgiving nights, dark Aide. You know the thing about it is

2376
02:58:22.280 --> 02:58:30.600
my wife doesn't like to feed me. That's sad. Whenever I've got to

2377
02:58:30.639 --> 02:58:33.440
work. She says, well,
Bob, you're gonna come home hungry,

2378
02:58:35.239 --> 02:58:43.440
and she cleans out the whole house. No food, only a handgun in

2379
02:58:43.559 --> 02:58:50.520
my face. There's usually just a
small revolver on the dining room table,

2380
02:58:50.639 --> 02:59:00.639
says Bob, here's your dinner.
Put it in your mouth. Dark Oh,

2381
02:59:01.319 --> 02:59:05.879
I say, I say, okay, what's did you want? I

2382
02:59:05.959 --> 02:59:09.879
took a bite that one time and
I lost two teeth. Tries to eat

2383
02:59:09.920 --> 02:59:13.600
the gun. It's his dinner.
What's he supposed to do? Not try

2384
02:59:13.680 --> 02:59:18.319
it and I'll insult his wife.
He crushes two of his teeth. Oh

2385
02:59:20.479 --> 02:59:22.000
well, I don't know, a
little bit harder than a job breaker there.

2386
02:59:26.520 --> 02:59:28.760
Okay, can we see do it
that? I? Maybe I get

2387
02:59:28.840 --> 02:59:33.280
a delivery of my mom's meat loaf. Bob, your mom's been dead since

2388
02:59:33.360 --> 02:59:39.600
sixty eight I know, but she
stored meat loaf and uh freezer someplace?

2389
02:59:41.120 --> 02:59:43.200
Can you find it? Do you
know where it is? They were talking

2390
02:59:43.239 --> 02:59:46.920
about, you know, can we
get David allan Coe to do the Great

2391
02:59:46.959 --> 02:59:50.559
American Bash Tour dust well, you
know, and they started talking about what

2392
02:59:50.559 --> 02:59:54.159
about meat loaf? Maybe he's available, and then someone in the other room

2393
02:59:54.200 --> 02:59:56.000
over the dusty c I'll do I
would do anything for meat love, and

2394
02:59:56.280 --> 03:00:05.639
uh, everyone interpreted it. Oh, I just want to say, if

2395
03:00:05.840 --> 03:00:11.920
anyone is interested in getting meat loaf, you can count me in. Thanks,

2396
03:00:16.680 --> 03:00:18.440
good stuff. J Jr. Said, you know, because he calls

2397
03:00:18.479 --> 03:00:22.440
the show with Caddle bunk house step. You know, he loved working with

2398
03:00:22.559 --> 03:00:24.319
Coddle, and he said, like, you know, it's a guy.

2399
03:00:24.360 --> 03:00:26.840
If you traveled with it was like
traveling with your uncle. It was that

2400
03:00:26.079 --> 03:00:30.200
sort of pleasant. And the hardest
thing you have to worry about drinking is

2401
03:00:30.319 --> 03:00:33.079
a mountain dew. So I'd vite
you to consider Bob Caddle drinking a mountain

2402
03:00:33.120 --> 03:00:41.520
dew traveling. Oh, Jim,
this is uh. I believe we have

2403
03:00:41.639 --> 03:00:46.200
a very energetic experience going on with
this. Bever, it's a little way

2404
03:00:46.200 --> 03:00:48.000
to put it, Bob, but
we have an energetic experience going on.

2405
03:00:52.280 --> 03:00:54.760
I feel a little pepp in my
step. I might be, uh,

2406
03:00:54.760 --> 03:01:01.159
you know, walking more than a
quarter mile an hour. Yeah, you

2407
03:01:01.200 --> 03:01:05.559
haven't gone to sleep yet, so
it's obviously working. I'm doing the do

2408
03:01:05.719 --> 03:01:13.719
as they say, Jim and I, have you ever done the doe do

2409
03:01:13.920 --> 03:01:18.399
do? Oh? Oh? Sorry
about that. I said a dirty word.

2410
03:01:20.040 --> 03:01:24.200
I think he said, I gotta
watch my mouth. Have you ever

2411
03:01:24.280 --> 03:01:31.719
I think he said, have you
ever done the dude do do? Dot?

2412
03:01:31.760 --> 03:01:35.840
Dot dot do? Do? Oh? Bab, I can't say I

2413
03:01:35.920 --> 03:01:41.239
have well, you know, I
gotta I said a dirty word. I

2414
03:01:41.360 --> 03:01:50.319
gotta punish myself. Shit, that's
a new avenue. The self Flash's okay

2415
03:01:50.399 --> 03:01:54.559
with it, everybody. You know
my my wife said, I gotta take

2416
03:01:54.600 --> 03:01:56.680
care of myself when I when I, when I use a curse word and

2417
03:01:56.799 --> 03:02:03.440
doo doo it certain there it is
again. Jr. Comes back from like

2418
03:02:03.600 --> 03:02:07.159
a snack run. They're sharing a
hotel room on the road, and he

2419
03:02:07.280 --> 03:02:11.319
opens the door and coddles like fully, like exphyxiated, like, oh,

2420
03:02:11.399 --> 03:02:13.639
Jim, I'm just torture. I'm
just punishing myself. I did something very

2421
03:02:13.719 --> 03:02:18.600
naughty while you were gone, and
now I'm in my hand on my penis.

2422
03:02:18.799 --> 03:02:20.680
Did Bob shay it again? No? No, no, say it

2423
03:02:20.719 --> 03:02:28.120
again? Now, I put my
hand on my penis, Jim, I

2424
03:02:28.280 --> 03:02:35.360
put my hand on my penis.
Jim M. My wife said, that's

2425
03:02:35.399 --> 03:02:39.280
not very good. Uh, that's
not very gentleman. Let So I have

2426
03:02:39.399 --> 03:02:45.600
to punish myself in a way that
h will hopefully prevent me from wanting to

2427
03:02:45.639 --> 03:02:54.360
do it again. This guy got
the worst deal of all time, the

2428
03:02:54.520 --> 03:03:00.920
nicest guy in the world, and
he is like constantly in the Mo's compromising

2429
03:03:01.000 --> 03:03:07.040
positions, unforgiving circumstances. You get
the most rowd deal of anyone I've ever

2430
03:03:07.120 --> 03:03:11.120
heard of. Jim can ask you
a personal question, sure, Bob,

2431
03:03:11.399 --> 03:03:18.760
Jim. You know, Jim.
Every now and again, as I'm i

2432
03:03:18.799 --> 03:03:24.520
wake up in them in the morning
and I'm traumatized by by a certain thing.

2433
03:03:24.559 --> 03:03:28.600
And for some reason my penis has
gotten rock hard. And I don't

2434
03:03:28.639 --> 03:03:33.959
know why. I don't know why
it does that, but it really it

2435
03:03:35.120 --> 03:03:39.440
causes me a great stress every morning. I wish you wouldn't do that.

2436
03:03:39.920 --> 03:03:43.600
There's a couple of things you do
about that, Bob. As always,

2437
03:03:43.639 --> 03:03:48.879
I'd recommend smoking a fat blunt.
First of all, I'm figuring it out.

2438
03:03:50.319 --> 03:03:54.200
It's not on our line. I've
tried to do my w C W

2439
03:03:54.440 --> 03:04:00.479
JR. It's not easy. I
know, it's very difficult. He's so

2440
03:04:00.639 --> 03:04:09.440
kind of normal, talking like young
cherubic jiucking chipmunk cheeks. I mean,

2441
03:04:09.600 --> 03:04:20.040
Jesus, looking like a baby that
just ate four cookies. And here's the

2442
03:04:20.120 --> 03:04:26.920
thing he did. You're fucking kidding
me? What do you think those ODIs

2443
03:04:26.920 --> 03:04:37.680
spunk? My rappers came from jays
That a bad thing. That Continental Breakfast

2444
03:04:37.719 --> 03:04:39.680
never stood a chance when he was
on the road. Oh, I'll forgot

2445
03:04:39.719 --> 03:04:46.159
to say, come on. He
he heat six croissans and put six more

2446
03:04:46.200 --> 03:04:52.920
in his pockets. So so I
think when Bob's are Bob just gotta have

2447
03:04:54.000 --> 03:05:00.079
a bite. Is that how you
it feels like to eat food? Oh,

2448
03:05:00.239 --> 03:05:03.520
Jim, it's how it feels,
Bob. Look at it. Look

2449
03:05:03.559 --> 03:05:09.879
at my crumb trail. The fucking
flakiness for the flakes all over the play

2450
03:05:09.079 --> 03:05:13.399
god like a like a what do
they used to call those things? The

2451
03:05:13.479 --> 03:05:20.079
toaster strudles Yep, yep, yep
yep, just like everywhere so so croissant

2452
03:05:20.200 --> 03:05:22.280
flakes. We need an arbiter here
as to whether Dusty made the right call

2453
03:05:22.319 --> 03:05:26.120
because we have people all over the
map on this thing. Started with Flair's

2454
03:05:26.120 --> 03:05:31.239
book. I think Flare has say
he's the champion, he's the he's the

2455
03:05:31.319 --> 03:05:35.879
horse that's pulling the wagon back.
Then Flare rights My match with Staying in

2456
03:05:35.920 --> 03:05:39.239
the birth of my son Reid were
bright spots and what was otherwise at disappointing

2457
03:05:39.319 --> 03:05:41.959
nineteen eighty eight. On January twenty
four, Jim Crockett Promotions tried another pay

2458
03:05:41.959 --> 03:05:46.040
per view bunk House Stampede from the
Nassau Coliseum on Long Island. I had

2459
03:05:46.079 --> 03:05:48.600
a pretty good match with my friend
Mike Hegstrand the late Road Warrior Hawk,

2460
03:05:48.639 --> 03:05:50.239
But as far as I recall,
everything else about the card turned out to

2461
03:05:50.319 --> 03:05:54.600
be a disaster. Vince counter of
the show. But the first Royal Rumble

2462
03:05:54.639 --> 03:05:58.159
then called the Rumble Royal on the
USA network available we have charged anyone.

2463
03:05:58.559 --> 03:06:01.239
It wasn't. It was called a
Rumble Royale by mistake for like a week,

2464
03:06:01.479 --> 03:06:05.360
like people act like day one in
the year on USA and we're calling

2465
03:06:05.399 --> 03:06:09.559
it Rumble Royale. Was clear from
Primetime Wrestling that we played by like the

2466
03:06:09.719 --> 03:06:13.479
second mention of it on Primetime they
had it straightened out right. The world

2467
03:06:13.520 --> 03:06:16.239
Wrestling Federation was at a high point
in eight million viewers watched it. Flair

2468
03:06:16.319 --> 03:06:20.040
Roade. Crockett may have thought that
he was starting a revolution by promoting in

2469
03:06:20.040 --> 03:06:22.200
the World Wrestling Federation's backyard, but
that wasn't enough to get the fans to

2470
03:06:22.319 --> 03:06:26.440
like the show, and Nassau Coliseum
wasn't even close to full And why should

2471
03:06:26.479 --> 03:06:28.479
it have been? Smart at Dusty
is? Sometimes he was so small minded.

2472
03:06:28.840 --> 03:06:31.959
An old time bunk house stampede about
a royal style match inspired by the

2473
03:06:33.040 --> 03:06:35.319
days when farm hands fought it out
by the bunk house farm hands, it's

2474
03:06:35.360 --> 03:06:39.200
cowboys. Is there a difference?
I can't. I don't understand why a

2475
03:06:39.319 --> 03:06:45.360
bunch of guys would just fucking be
fighting it out from each other? How

2476
03:06:45.360 --> 03:06:50.360
do you go? But but okay, sure, but that's like two guys,

2477
03:06:50.559 --> 03:06:54.879
or you have like teams of guys. But the way this is described,

2478
03:06:54.920 --> 03:06:56.920
it's like you've got six guys who
are all against each other, who

2479
03:06:58.120 --> 03:07:00.760
want to kill each other, all
wronged each other at the same time.

2480
03:07:01.319 --> 03:07:05.280
Right, doesn't someone want to sit
it out? I mean, isn't aren't

2481
03:07:05.280 --> 03:07:07.520
you on sides? I mean,
how did this all happen? What was

2482
03:07:07.600 --> 03:07:11.520
the timing? Of this point may
have done well in the South at one

2483
03:07:11.600 --> 03:07:15.000
time, but in New York,
Italians from the Bronx and Jews from Brooklyn

2484
03:07:15.040 --> 03:07:20.000
couldn't have cared less about cowbells and
bull robes. O gave Flair. Has

2485
03:07:20.040 --> 03:07:26.520
there ever been a bunk house in
Manhattan. I've seen a few bunk houses,

2486
03:07:26.600 --> 03:07:28.200
and men, I've seen quite a
few bunk houses. You go to

2487
03:07:28.239 --> 03:07:31.040
the right neighborhood and there are plenty
of houses that are bunk. The company

2488
03:07:31.120 --> 03:07:35.239
just seemed so far behind the times, and then we kept David Krockett contributing

2489
03:07:35.319 --> 03:07:37.600
this passage to Flair's book. The
best thing for Dusty would have been for

2490
03:07:37.680 --> 03:07:41.159
him to just book and not wrestle. We probably would have done better.

2491
03:07:41.319 --> 03:07:43.559
He kept a lot of people down
and chased a lot of fans away because

2492
03:07:43.600 --> 03:07:46.399
he wanted to stayed in number one
at all times. All of Dusty's ideas

2493
03:07:46.399 --> 03:07:48.680
seemed inspired by one movie, True
Grit. We gotta put that under the

2494
03:07:48.719 --> 03:07:54.840
cinemat that qualifies it get into the
booking mind of Dusty and our storylines.

2495
03:07:54.840 --> 03:07:56.959
He had to come back from the
dead, just like John Wayne. His

2496
03:07:58.040 --> 03:08:01.600
creativity got stale after the Nassau sim
Show. The boys ended up in Harry's

2497
03:08:01.639 --> 03:08:05.280
bar at the Helmsley Palace hotel in
Manhattan. Tully was complaining about the direction

2498
03:08:05.280 --> 03:08:07.639
of the company. He walked right
out to Jimmy and confront him about some

2499
03:08:07.760 --> 03:08:11.600
Dusty's decisions. Dusty should book himself
against Dusty, he said. Jimmy didn't

2500
03:08:11.600 --> 03:08:13.040
want to hear it and walked away. Dusty had gotten so close with Jimmy

2501
03:08:13.040 --> 03:08:16.920
that I couldn't reason with him either. Jimmy Crockett had been a very important

2502
03:08:16.959 --> 03:08:18.440
part of my life, but I
could see our relationship changing. Here was

2503
03:08:18.479 --> 03:08:20.959
a person who meant so much to
me that I had made him the best

2504
03:08:22.000 --> 03:08:24.680
man at my wedding. I couldn't
understand how Dusty could step in and con

2505
03:08:24.840 --> 03:08:28.600
Jimmy out of that friendship. Dusty
also began telling stories that were too preposterous

2506
03:08:28.639 --> 03:08:31.559
to believe during a trip of one
of the crop. During a trip on

2507
03:08:31.719 --> 03:08:35.520
one of Crockett's private planes, Dusty
notified a group of us here getting ready

2508
03:08:35.559 --> 03:08:37.040
for this one. Boss. I
notified a group of us that we were

2509
03:08:37.079 --> 03:08:41.440
going to outclass Vince by making these
big Hollywood style productions. Oh my god.

2510
03:08:41.479 --> 03:08:45.200
Apparently the first movie in the company's
list was the life story of Terry

2511
03:08:45.239 --> 03:08:48.239
Allen aka magnum Ta, a handsome
wrestler who suffered spinal cord damage when he

2512
03:08:48.319 --> 03:08:52.079
drove his portion too a telephone poll
one rainy night, we all agreed that

2513
03:08:52.200 --> 03:08:56.280
Terry had caress that who fucking cares? Well? It could make you know,

2514
03:08:56.319 --> 03:08:58.600
we don't have to care about magnum
Ta for to make a good story.

2515
03:08:58.680 --> 03:09:03.920
It's just an interesting story. I
mean, I guess I don't care.

2516
03:09:03.079 --> 03:09:05.719
Y all agreed that Terry had an
inspirational story that could make a decent

2517
03:09:05.799 --> 03:09:11.520
film. Then Dusty added that,
what who's who's making movies about me?

2518
03:09:11.600 --> 03:09:15.600
Brother? Am I in the movie? Did I film it? Dude?

2519
03:09:15.600 --> 03:09:20.239
What's going on by Terry? Brother? Hey? Yo? Date? Whoa

2520
03:09:20.000 --> 03:09:22.600
what are you hearing? Brother?
What I heard about a movie about Terry?

2521
03:09:22.680 --> 03:09:26.879
Dude? I can only you got
dollars thing in? Brother? What's

2522
03:09:26.920 --> 03:09:31.399
going on? What are the odds
that you guys pushing another Hogan named Terry?

2523
03:09:31.520 --> 03:09:35.600
This is actually concerning brother? How
many Hogans you got over that?

2524
03:09:37.319 --> 03:09:46.319
How many Terry's you've been hiring?
Dude? I gotta no dude? Am

2525
03:09:46.399 --> 03:09:50.920
I over an nwa? Brother?
Like it could happen without his knowledge?

2526
03:09:52.000 --> 03:09:56.280
Like contracts could be passed in the
night, options could be exercised. Am

2527
03:09:56.319 --> 03:10:03.079
I working both promotions? Dude?
Where am I? Darry? Just go

2528
03:10:03.200 --> 03:10:07.360
to bed, we'll talk in the
morning. Ah. There sometimes gets these

2529
03:10:07.440 --> 03:10:11.360
calls. He goes at one point, how many Hogans you got over there?

2530
03:10:11.440 --> 03:10:20.280
Dude? Any Huggans? Dude?
Any what Hugans? Yes, plenty

2531
03:10:20.280 --> 03:10:28.600
of Hulk Huggans. But get this. Then Dusty added that Sylvester Stallone had

2532
03:10:28.600 --> 03:10:31.639
agreed to play magnum Ta. Of
course, well, of course Sally Field

2533
03:10:31.760 --> 03:10:35.280
was committed to portraying his wife to
Mary. Oh my god. The only

2534
03:10:35.319 --> 03:10:41.799
problem, dust He said, oh
yeah, oh yeah, I'll play.

2535
03:10:46.040 --> 03:10:50.239
It's a story of great a story
of heart, right sly yeah, yeah,

2536
03:10:50.319 --> 03:10:52.200
yeah. You know it's under Dog. You know, I like being

2537
03:10:52.280 --> 03:11:00.920
on a dog, especially like how
he ends up in a wheelchair and then

2538
03:11:00.920 --> 03:11:03.280
we got him getting to him in
a match. You know, we could

2539
03:11:03.639 --> 03:11:05.399
that's what we could do. We
could have him, you know, he

2540
03:11:05.600 --> 03:11:07.959
he gets in the wheelchair and then
all of a sudden he comes out of

2541
03:11:07.000 --> 03:11:11.200
retirement gets in the match. I
got ask because I never feel like I

2542
03:11:11.319 --> 03:11:13.639
got a straight answer from Terry Funk
or Hulk or anybody. This stuff.

2543
03:11:13.680 --> 03:11:18.319
It's it's it's not real, right, It's just it's all kind of it's

2544
03:11:18.760 --> 03:11:20.760
it's fucking fake, right, I
mean, it's all kind of put on,

2545
03:11:20.959 --> 03:11:26.399
right, dust Maybe I'm I ask
you something, not what are you

2546
03:11:26.479 --> 03:11:31.799
putting on? Daddy? Huh?
Where are you putting shit on? Baby?

2547
03:11:31.920 --> 03:11:35.000
Because I'm sitting here, I'm talking
a rocket about Boa and I'm thinking

2548
03:11:35.040 --> 03:11:39.239
of myself, what a fucking bitch
Yep, I'm gonna eat that bout Boa

2549
03:11:39.440 --> 03:11:46.040
and then I'm gonna shot out my
ass. You stump fucker beat the ship.

2550
03:11:46.159 --> 03:11:48.639
I no wonder he did end up
doing the movie. Dusty said,

2551
03:11:48.680 --> 03:11:56.280
though he wasn't sure if sally Field
was really right for the part, but

2552
03:11:56.360 --> 03:11:58.760
they could fucking get anybody. Imagine
telling himself this like because he's so in

2553
03:11:58.840 --> 03:12:03.360
his mott. We played that one
clip on The Rumble eighty eight, remember

2554
03:12:03.399 --> 03:12:07.399
of Dusty absolutely losing it on a
promo about how we're the best and we're

2555
03:12:07.479 --> 03:12:11.600
the real wrestling. He's just like
mumbling and just talking about how they're they're

2556
03:12:11.639 --> 03:12:16.200
copying us and all this desperation famous
last words kind of shit. He's so

2557
03:12:16.639 --> 03:12:20.520
fucking lunar. Vince is like doing
non wrestling stuff. He's leveraging his wrestlers

2558
03:12:20.559 --> 03:12:24.239
and other arenas and media, and
and so Dusty is telling himself, all

2559
03:12:24.280 --> 03:12:28.959
right, we'll be in movies.
It's like Dusty stopped trying to nobody.

2560
03:12:30.639 --> 03:12:33.280
Stop. It's not I know you
watched movies to come up with booking ideas,

2561
03:12:33.319 --> 03:12:39.399
but you are not going to have
a film career. Stop. He

2562
03:12:39.520 --> 03:12:43.159
wanted it so bad. Oh.
He absolutely talked a lot about it during

2563
03:12:43.200 --> 03:12:46.799
our War Games. This part was
compared to why the War Games match even

2564
03:12:46.840 --> 03:12:48.920
happens because he was obsessed with that
movie. What was it now? I

2565
03:12:48.920 --> 03:12:54.399
already forgot it was mad Max,
mad Max, thunder dumb, amazing.

2566
03:12:56.639 --> 03:12:58.079
Arn and I looked at each other
flair rights and rolled our eyes. If

2567
03:12:58.159 --> 03:13:01.959
Jimmy was dubious, he wasn't showing
it to us. Later, when his

2568
03:13:01.000 --> 03:13:03.879
son dust And started in the World
Wrestling Federation as gold Dust, Dusty said

2569
03:13:03.879 --> 03:13:09.520
that Vince was arranging to put dust
In in a video with Madonna. Of

2570
03:13:09.600 --> 03:13:13.000
course, fans were getting tired of
seeing the same thing on the road over

2571
03:13:13.040 --> 03:13:15.479
and over. The referee would get
knocked down, the challenger would toss me

2572
03:13:15.559 --> 03:13:16.799
over the top rope, a second
referee would run in just in time to

2573
03:13:16.799 --> 03:13:18.799
see me to submit or get pinned. The fans would think that I had

2574
03:13:18.840 --> 03:13:22.479
lost the championship until the first reff
woke up and announced that throwing your foe

2575
03:13:22.559 --> 03:13:26.719
over the top ropes was a violation
of NWA rules. Therefore, the good

2576
03:13:26.760 --> 03:13:30.120
guy was disqualified among the boys.
This ending, with a few variations here

2577
03:13:30.159 --> 03:13:31.639
and there, was called the Dusty
finish. It worked great in the days

2578
03:13:31.680 --> 03:13:35.000
of the territories when the fans in
Charlotte knew nothing about the match results in

2579
03:13:35.040 --> 03:13:39.079
Miami or Oklahoma City. But because
of cable and pay per view, people

2580
03:13:39.120 --> 03:13:41.799
became so familiar with the Dusty finish
that they could predict it ahead of time,

2581
03:13:41.959 --> 03:13:45.959
and that wasn't good for business.
Yeah that's interesting, Yeah, yeah,

2582
03:13:46.000 --> 03:13:50.000
another sort of like how Dusty's mentality
was an ill fit for pay per

2583
03:13:50.040 --> 03:13:52.479
view. It's like he just like, yeah, right, this is how

2584
03:13:52.520 --> 03:13:54.799
we get out of this, this
is how we move on. It's like

2585
03:13:56.000 --> 03:13:58.559
everybody's watching this, Dusty, like
you've got to make them want to watch

2586
03:13:58.600 --> 03:14:03.520
again. In the spring of nine
eight eight, Vince Man called me with

2587
03:14:03.520 --> 03:14:07.639
a straightforward question, what do you
think about coming to the World Wrestling Federation.

2588
03:14:07.799 --> 03:14:11.520
How So, just months after this, Vince is hitting him up about

2589
03:14:11.520 --> 03:14:15.559
coming in. Of course he is, I'd fight you to consider Flair coming

2590
03:14:15.600 --> 03:14:20.079
in and eighty eight I mentioned Flair
in the WrestleMania four tournament. Huh,

2591
03:14:20.280 --> 03:14:26.879
I mean, sorry, Ted,
Jesus christ Man Flair eighty eight. Could

2592
03:14:26.879 --> 03:14:31.239
you imagine? I mean if all
of a sudden, Flare's like a Flair

2593
03:14:31.360 --> 03:14:39.959
is a is a like a secret
entrant, and and it's like, I'm

2594
03:14:39.000 --> 03:14:46.799
sorry, nobody else can fucking win
that tournament anymore? Sorry, Ted,

2595
03:14:46.920 --> 03:14:50.280
I'm sorry. Savage's picturing him in
his resplendent robe walking out at the Trump

2596
03:14:50.360 --> 03:14:56.600
Plaza. You know you fair think
about this, Think about this, okay,

2597
03:14:58.639 --> 03:15:05.000
Rick Flair comes in, wins the
tournament, WrestleMania four, WrestleMania five,

2598
03:15:05.600 --> 03:15:09.200
Hogan versus Flare Shore And in the
eighties, are you kidding me?

2599
03:15:09.680 --> 03:15:16.319
Oh? It would consummate it unlike
in ninety two. That would have been

2600
03:15:16.399 --> 03:15:22.159
spectacular. Can you imagine Flair Hogan
WrestleMania five. Oh, but we have

2601
03:15:22.239 --> 03:15:24.920
plans. Look at this, Flare
writes, he already knew what he wanted

2602
03:15:24.959 --> 03:15:30.040
to do with me when the First
Summer Slam debuted August twenty ninth, nineteen

2603
03:15:30.079 --> 03:15:31.639
eighty eight, I would be in
the main event challenging Randy Savage for the

2604
03:15:31.680 --> 03:15:39.360
World Wrestling Federation title. That works, too, not quite as good as

2605
03:15:39.399 --> 03:15:41.040
what you just laid out, not
as quite as good as what I'm thrilled

2606
03:15:41.040 --> 03:15:43.239
that you're giving me the opportunity,
I responded, But I don't know,

2607
03:15:43.600 --> 03:15:48.280
by the way, it's possible to
Flare had a contract too that he couldn't

2608
03:15:48.280 --> 03:15:52.399
get out of until August, but
maybe it wasn't available till August. But

2609
03:15:52.600 --> 03:15:56.840
what about I thought, Kevin Nash
and Scott Hall created the first guaranteed contracts

2610
03:15:56.879 --> 03:16:00.719
in pro wrestling. I was hearing
Kelly Blanchard there talk about something that sounded

2611
03:16:00.840 --> 03:16:03.079
very much guaranteed, and he listened
about twelve other guys that had the same

2612
03:16:03.399 --> 03:16:09.799
deal structure. So you fucking tell
me, well, hey, you know

2613
03:16:09.920 --> 03:16:13.520
what, I wasn't fucking there,
But it's really not guaranteed to me.

2614
03:16:15.280 --> 03:16:18.040
Right, those guys they get their
balloon payments at the end of the year,

2615
03:16:18.920 --> 03:16:22.239
guaranteed about him. When you gotta
wait till the they fucking leave,

2616
03:16:22.120 --> 03:16:24.959
they fucking leave, right, you
get these guys, they fucking head out,

2617
03:16:26.000 --> 03:16:28.399
they're not getting paid. I fucking
gonna check in the mail. I'm

2618
03:16:28.399 --> 03:16:33.000
sitting home injured. I'm still getting
fucking checks from WCW. Guys getting checks

2619
03:16:33.000 --> 03:16:39.239
when they're home injured. Yeah,
you're getting checks from wc WALK. You're

2620
03:16:39.280 --> 03:16:43.200
not getting checked from WCW. It's
a yeah, I know, keV.

2621
03:16:43.280 --> 03:16:46.520
I'm just an interviewer, Like,
why would I be getting Yeah? My

2622
03:16:46.639 --> 03:16:52.239
point is I'm getting fucking checking out
of the mailbox in my bathrobe. Yeah.

2623
03:16:54.280 --> 03:17:01.799
Check comes every two weeks as tally
if it how biweekly his pay cadence

2624
03:17:01.000 --> 03:17:07.959
was thrilled that you're giving me the
opportunity. You know what he did?

2625
03:17:07.079 --> 03:17:09.879
You know what. I'm sorry,
but you know what he did have a

2626
03:17:09.920 --> 03:17:11.879
fucking guaranteed contract. You want to
know what it was. Yeah, sure,

2627
03:17:13.520 --> 03:17:18.879
he was guaranteed not to get paid. Nice keV, thanks for swatting

2628
03:17:18.879 --> 03:17:24.479
that one away. I was worried
about a contradiction, I responded, But

2629
03:17:24.520 --> 03:17:28.000
I don't know. I try to
explain that the nw AD been my home

2630
03:17:28.040 --> 03:17:31.239
since nineteen seventy four and parting ways
with the organization seemed a little frightening.

2631
03:17:31.280 --> 03:17:33.799
Even though I was getting the running
around from Jimmy and Dusty, I wasn't

2632
03:17:33.799 --> 03:17:37.479
politically a student enough to deal with
being romanced by this guy who I didn't

2633
03:17:37.520 --> 03:17:41.159
know. Despite the strain between Dusty
and myself, I approached him and mentioned

2634
03:17:41.239 --> 03:17:43.920
Vince's offer, But instead of trying
to find some sort of common ground,

2635
03:17:43.000 --> 03:17:46.159
he just counted, all right,
go to Rowan Oak today and draw the

2636
03:17:46.159 --> 03:17:50.319
title to the luger. Wow,
you're damn right. You're damn right.

2637
03:17:50.600 --> 03:17:54.079
And that shoot interview that Dusty did
that we excerpted, he calls Rick a

2638
03:17:54.159 --> 03:18:00.840
flim flam man, somebody who convinces
you that he's in to help other people,

2639
03:18:00.959 --> 03:18:05.559
but all he really gives a shit
about is himself. So I apparently

2640
03:18:05.639 --> 03:18:09.239
Dusty feels season he's entitled to some
money that Flair didn't give him that would

2641
03:18:09.360 --> 03:18:15.000
put him in a less destitute state. In retrospect, I believe Dusty knew

2642
03:18:15.000 --> 03:18:18.920
that Crockett Promotions was going to be
sold Flair Rights, and he wanted to

2643
03:18:18.959 --> 03:18:20.639
downplay my value to the new owners. I also think that this was the

2644
03:18:20.639 --> 03:18:24.639
point where our friendship became very strained. It was painful. For the first

2645
03:18:24.719 --> 03:18:26.360
day we met. I respected Dusty
and I still respect so much about him

2646
03:18:26.360 --> 03:18:28.120
to this day, but now I
was seeing him for what he was.

2647
03:18:28.319 --> 03:18:31.719
Everything had been great between us until
the moment I had rivaled him as a

2648
03:18:31.760 --> 03:18:39.920
top attraction. Aster Flair comes down. Yep. As for Jr. You

2649
03:18:39.000 --> 03:18:43.959
know from his position as the announcer, he actually thought it was a good

2650
03:18:43.040 --> 03:18:46.440
card, but they didn't have any
momentum coming into the show. I thought

2651
03:18:46.440 --> 03:18:50.559
it was too predictable that the Dusty
would win the bunk House the first one

2652
03:18:50.639 --> 03:18:54.239
to pay per view. He said
that no one knows where the boot is,

2653
03:18:54.360 --> 03:18:56.280
and Conrad, the Ultimate wrestling collector
doesn't either. That's like a big

2654
03:18:56.319 --> 03:19:01.000
holy grail. Does anybody know with
the bunk House Stampede, Rod's ye is.

2655
03:19:05.120 --> 03:19:07.120
But Jay remembers coming into the show
knowing that they would be challenged to

2656
03:19:07.239 --> 03:19:11.520
produce much decent and he enjoyed working
the show and it was fun, but

2657
03:19:11.159 --> 03:19:13.719
it felt a challenge to deliver a
real good product, and it was a

2658
03:19:13.719 --> 03:19:18.959
good challenge. But they were swimming
upstream because nobody was really over, like

2659
03:19:18.079 --> 03:19:20.520
really over to where you know.
The fans had this sense of we got

2660
03:19:20.600 --> 03:19:24.079
to see this, so they had
a tough hand they had to play.

2661
03:19:24.600 --> 03:19:28.879
Everybody was well aware by this point
of the consequences of the balloon payments.

2662
03:19:28.920 --> 03:19:33.840
At the end of eighty seven,
and late payments to talent led to overreactions

2663
03:19:33.879 --> 03:19:37.760
in paranoia. There's a lot of
that in a locker room, he said.

2664
03:19:37.159 --> 03:19:39.559
Talked about Dallas, as we mentioned, and buying a house in play

2665
03:19:39.680 --> 03:19:43.079
Now and losing his ass on it
when they turned around and sold the company

2666
03:19:43.120 --> 03:19:48.040
to Turner. Might have been poking
the beer by going to New York,

2667
03:19:48.120 --> 03:19:50.639
he said. Jimmy and Dusty had
plans to push into those markets, but

2668
03:19:50.760 --> 03:19:56.200
not one that was going to work, and theory, it makes sense,

2669
03:19:56.239 --> 03:19:58.120
look at all these markets that aren't
being served by our brand of wrestling.

2670
03:20:00.280 --> 03:20:01.680
Are things Going national was the right
thing to do, but you had to

2671
03:20:01.680 --> 03:20:07.319
have a better game plan than these
two did. Vince running a rumble against

2672
03:20:07.319 --> 03:20:11.280
Bunkhouse Dampede Jr. Recalls on his
podcast was the talk of the Crockett locker

2673
03:20:11.399 --> 03:20:13.159
room. But the guys who knew
Vince well knew not to be shocked by

2674
03:20:13.200 --> 03:20:16.680
this move. Jr. Said they
simply needed to get some guys or angles

2675
03:20:16.760 --> 03:20:22.280
hot and interesting and unpredictable around this
point in time and just couldn't. He

2676
03:20:22.399 --> 03:20:26.000
didn't like that there were so many
bunkhouse matches on the road before they tried

2677
03:20:26.000 --> 03:20:30.239
to sell this as a pay per
view in a unique attraction, and Nassau

2678
03:20:30.280 --> 03:20:33.559
thought it should have been kept more
rare, and that in general. Jare

2679
03:20:33.600 --> 03:20:37.440
says he'd never really been a fan
of Battle Royals anyway, dating back to

2680
03:20:37.520 --> 03:20:43.879
his day's referring in mid South and
in Oklahoma where he associated Battle Royals with

2681
03:20:43.000 --> 03:20:48.159
guys taking it easy and half asking
it, which isn't is an interesting you

2682
03:20:48.239 --> 03:20:52.079
talked about a little bit in the
Rumble show. Yeah, that's an interesting

2683
03:20:52.200 --> 03:20:56.559
legacy of the Battle Royal from the
territorial days. I never shut it that

2684
03:20:56.639 --> 03:20:58.959
way. And you know, when
I hear about the San Francisco January Battle

2685
03:20:58.000 --> 03:21:01.120
Royals at Patterson in the Rumble after, those were some of the biggest attractions

2686
03:21:01.120 --> 03:21:05.319
on the calendar year, right,
and it seemed like the big annual Battle

2687
03:21:05.360 --> 03:21:07.799
Royal was a huge attraction just about
any territory that did them, Like you

2688
03:21:07.840 --> 03:21:11.520
know, Andre would come down for
Fritz's and Dallas and stuff like that.

2689
03:21:11.879 --> 03:21:15.079
It's a big deal. But it's
also interesting to hear that this had the

2690
03:21:15.120 --> 03:21:20.520
reputation of being a something that wasn't
necessarily a great value to the wrestling ticket

2691
03:21:20.559 --> 03:21:24.239
buyer. When it was Battle Royal
time, everybody thought that just meant all

2692
03:21:24.280 --> 03:21:26.719
the all the wrestlers taking it easy. But for the fans, and you

2693
03:21:26.799 --> 03:21:31.360
know, Battle Royal is fucking exciting
of course. Yeah, so I think

2694
03:21:31.399 --> 03:21:37.399
it's it's always it's funny. It
is funny, how how disconnect there is

2695
03:21:37.559 --> 03:21:45.239
there really is because it's so It's
always been one of my favorite matches.

2696
03:21:45.280 --> 03:21:48.520
I always loved, loved Battle Royal, especially growing up, and I've seen

2697
03:21:48.559 --> 03:21:52.959
so many. We watched some of
the early ones from Coliseum collection, remember

2698
03:21:52.040 --> 03:21:54.840
like the Big John stud one,
the one eight four in La. Yeah,

2699
03:21:54.879 --> 03:22:00.159
these matches, it doesn't it doesn't
strike you, even as as a

2700
03:22:00.200 --> 03:22:03.000
fan that is kind of smart Now, all these years later, it doesn't

2701
03:22:03.000 --> 03:22:05.680
look like the guys are taking it
easy. I don't know, right,

2702
03:22:05.840 --> 03:22:07.479
I guess in theory it makes sense
that guys would take it easy in a

2703
03:22:07.520 --> 03:22:09.959
match where they couldn't take bumps if
they wanted to. But I have yet

2704
03:22:09.959 --> 03:22:13.040
to see a Battle Royal where I'm
like, all right, everyone's a fucking

2705
03:22:13.079 --> 03:22:16.879
dog in this. You know,
It's never a thought that crossed my mind

2706
03:22:16.959 --> 03:22:20.040
when I watched Battle Royals until I
started hearing all these old timers saying that

2707
03:22:20.120 --> 03:22:24.360
that's kind of how everybody regarded battle
Royals within the business as a night off.

2708
03:22:24.520 --> 03:22:28.840
Yeah, so here's Jr. Speaking
to just kind of the state of

2709
03:22:28.879 --> 03:22:33.680
things that Crockett at the time of
the show. But I do think there

2710
03:22:33.799 --> 03:22:37.399
was he was getting a frayed around
the edges, getting a little burned out.

2711
03:22:39.840 --> 03:22:43.760
And it's easy to seek why,
and sure, and who wouldn't That's

2712
03:22:43.799 --> 03:22:46.680
the thing about not knocking Dusty for
God's sakes, God bless her soul.

2713
03:22:46.520 --> 03:22:52.559
But he needed he needed to tag
out and I think that a fresh set

2714
03:22:52.600 --> 03:23:01.120
of eyes and a fresh set of
ideas was very uh much needed. But

2715
03:23:01.239 --> 03:23:03.239
it just didn't have He didn't want
to give up his power, and he

2716
03:23:03.239 --> 03:23:07.079
wouldn't have had to have somebody else
book it and then you prove it,

2717
03:23:07.479 --> 03:23:11.680
are disprove it. That could happen. But he he's like a lot of

2718
03:23:11.719 --> 03:23:18.399
old guys that were territory guys and
finally made it to a position of influence

2719
03:23:18.719 --> 03:23:26.000
and financial security. And it's just
it was not it was a tough thing.

2720
03:23:26.200 --> 03:23:28.280
It was a tough thing. I
think he needed help and and uh,

2721
03:23:28.479 --> 03:23:31.360
you know, you were afraid to
say much to him because he he

2722
03:23:31.520 --> 03:23:39.239
took everything as ah, you're you're
knocking my booking type thing personally. Yeah,

2723
03:23:39.639 --> 03:23:43.360
yeah, and that's as that was
very unfortunate. Something else I wanted

2724
03:23:43.399 --> 03:23:46.639
to ask about is the way,
here's just clarify this one second. My

2725
03:23:46.719 --> 03:23:52.520
opinion is Dusty didn't see any value
in it. Jimmy was open minded.

2726
03:23:54.879 --> 03:23:58.520
Jimmy just wanted to grow the business. But does he has such creative influence

2727
03:23:58.559 --> 03:24:05.040
over Jimmy that Jimmy just didn't have
the conviction lack of a better term a

2728
03:24:05.079 --> 03:24:11.840
top of my head too to do
this. He's gonna ride. He didn't

2729
03:24:11.879 --> 03:24:15.520
want to upset Dusty. He didn't
want Dusty to see that well, Jimmy's

2730
03:24:15.559 --> 03:24:20.200
got a different idea, or Jimmy
didn't trust me anymore, or whatever.

2731
03:24:20.600 --> 03:24:26.079
Wrestler paranoia is. It never goes
away, man, No, deep in

2732
03:24:26.200 --> 03:24:31.120
your heart it will see Thank you, jim Yeah, thank you very much.

2733
03:24:31.159 --> 03:24:33.799
That's right. And the thing he's
talking about Dusty not seeing value in

2734
03:24:35.000 --> 03:24:37.680
is using the u WF Mid South
guys from the purchase in a prominent way.

2735
03:24:39.639 --> 03:24:41.600
Most of them just found themselves to
find down like Steve Williams is looking

2736
03:24:41.600 --> 03:24:46.159
for a way out the UWF Heavyweight
champ when they bought the company. Yeah,

2737
03:24:46.239 --> 03:24:48.440
you know, Jim has found a
spot and they're putting him, in

2738
03:24:48.520 --> 03:24:52.079
fact on TBS, which leads to
Chavanni saying, fuck this, m I'm

2739
03:24:52.120 --> 03:24:54.440
not going to not be on the
national show after all these years in this

2740
03:24:54.479 --> 03:24:58.159
company and going to WWF. But
for the most part, all the wrestlers

2741
03:24:58.159 --> 03:25:01.559
that they got Michael Hayes on down, they're all Bubba came over, They're

2742
03:25:01.600 --> 03:25:07.239
all finding ways out the door after
this. And Yeah, Dusty just didn't

2743
03:25:07.239 --> 03:25:11.159
see value in New WF. And
that was pretty much the end of the

2744
03:25:11.520 --> 03:25:15.000
story, even if there was a
glimmer from Jim Crockett that there so there's

2745
03:25:15.040 --> 03:25:16.600
something could be done. They get
Terry Taylor, who came in as a

2746
03:25:16.639 --> 03:25:20.959
result of the purchase and was pushed
pretty hard in the beginning. Dusty fired

2747
03:25:20.040 --> 03:25:24.639
him, reportedly because Dusty caught him
imitating him in the locker room with the

2748
03:25:24.639 --> 03:25:28.879
boys. Oh my god, I
can imagine that Dusty at this time must

2749
03:25:28.920 --> 03:25:35.559
have fucking hated anybody doing impressions of
him. Man, Yeah Jr. Says

2750
03:25:35.600 --> 03:25:37.719
later in the podcast, he says, you know, when you've got an

2751
03:25:37.719 --> 03:25:41.239
alpha male like that, you can
you can criticize him one on one,

2752
03:25:43.319 --> 03:25:46.639
you know, in a in a
private meeting. But when you criticize an

2753
03:25:46.639 --> 03:25:48.680
alpha male like that, or make
fun of an alpha male to a wider

2754
03:25:48.760 --> 03:25:52.319
audience, this is immediately they's gonna
find a way to get rid of you.

2755
03:25:52.639 --> 03:25:56.680
Yep, yep, yep, you're
done. Yeah. Tully talked about

2756
03:25:56.719 --> 03:25:58.639
after word getting out of him shit
talking Dusty, that all of a sudden

2757
03:25:58.639 --> 03:26:05.680
he was on less desirable flights and
found himself, you know, with less

2758
03:26:05.479 --> 03:26:11.079
comfortable accommodations on the road. So
Dusty definitely knew how to put a ton

2759
03:26:11.159 --> 03:26:15.680
of energy into making its sting if
you crossed him. And I think I

2760
03:26:15.760 --> 03:26:18.799
think Cody carries that too. I
think Cody is very sensitive about people making

2761
03:26:18.840 --> 03:26:22.920
fun of Dusty. Uh. He's
very defensive about the reality of the Polka

2762
03:26:22.959 --> 03:26:26.440
dot thing, you know, he
has like he's convinced himself that it wasn't

2763
03:26:26.920 --> 03:26:30.760
Vince just taking a piss on his
dad, which is exactly what it was,

2764
03:26:31.559 --> 03:26:33.399
Yeah, and all the rest.
So, you know, I think

2765
03:26:33.639 --> 03:26:37.799
it's not Guess what if you celebrate
that you're a fucking phony, Well,

2766
03:26:37.799 --> 03:26:41.440
if you believe what Dusty told himselves
so he could go back and collect another

2767
03:26:41.520 --> 03:26:45.479
decade of money from Vince about that
being just sort of all in good fun.

2768
03:26:46.600 --> 03:26:48.920
You know, you're kind of it's
kind of suss that you let yourself

2769
03:26:48.959 --> 03:26:52.280
believe that when you look in the
context at the time and realize everything that

2770
03:26:52.440 --> 03:26:56.719
was going on. But yeah,
you know, as far as the mentality,

2771
03:26:56.840 --> 03:26:58.719
Jr. Says he wouldn't be at
that point. It was like you

2772
03:26:58.719 --> 03:27:01.760
would be surprised to hear on any
given day that they were selling or closing

2773
03:27:01.879 --> 03:27:05.520
down. The infrastructure was lacking,
and it was talked about all the time

2774
03:27:05.559 --> 03:27:09.959
in the company, but Crockett was
loyal to too many people. He kept

2775
03:27:09.959 --> 03:27:13.760
too many people employed that didn't really
help push the company forward, no matter

2776
03:27:13.799 --> 03:27:16.000
what the cost. He mentioned klondyke
Bill as an example, though Jr.

2777
03:27:16.120 --> 03:27:20.239
Was quick to say it doesn't necessarily
be in klondyke Bill wasn't good at his

2778
03:27:20.360 --> 03:27:22.440
job and contributing, but he was
just sort of like an emblematic of the

2779
03:27:22.479 --> 03:27:26.239
kind of person that would never go
even if they couldn't do their job.

2780
03:27:26.559 --> 03:27:30.000
Everybody opened their eyes like, wait
a minute, we keep doing the same

2781
03:27:30.079 --> 03:27:33.399
thing over and over. None of
it's working. Jim said, why not

2782
03:27:33.440 --> 03:27:37.040
if you Jim Crockett tries something different. But Dusty had that magical hold seemingly

2783
03:27:37.120 --> 03:27:41.120
over Jimmy, and that got a
lot of heat on Jimmy Crockett. Jarre

2784
03:27:41.200 --> 03:27:45.360
knows the talents when they were alone
with Crockett would express themselves directly to him

2785
03:27:45.360 --> 03:27:50.000
about their dissatisfaction with the state of
affairs and talking about how Dusty's killing us

2786
03:27:50.040 --> 03:27:52.000
and you're not doing anything about it, and he didn't, and he didn't,

2787
03:27:52.520 --> 03:27:56.639
and he was remorseful about that later, Like the High Spots documentary that's

2788
03:27:56.719 --> 03:28:03.040
terrific on the Crockett years, the
first interviewers to find Jim Crockett since eighty

2789
03:28:03.120 --> 03:28:07.079
eight really yeah, or at least
in a context to talk about the collapse

2790
03:28:07.120 --> 03:28:11.840
of Crockett Promotions, because he did
try a few promotional ventures in the nineties

2791
03:28:11.479 --> 03:28:16.840
after a short lived tenures, still
being involved with the turnaround WC do after.

2792
03:28:18.600 --> 03:28:20.639
I think I can promote other things
they can't. I think I think

2793
03:28:20.719 --> 03:28:26.959
I'm you know, I think I'm
a good general promoter. I believe that

2794
03:28:26.079 --> 03:28:35.360
I can promote generalities in uh in
this world general activities. Okay, fine,

2795
03:28:35.479 --> 03:28:46.159
I believe I believe I can promote
generalities in this world. I'm just

2796
03:28:48.399 --> 03:28:52.159
I don't know what you wanted to
say. I'm just repeating what you said,

2797
03:28:52.200 --> 03:28:56.200
and well, I don't want there's
nothing to say, just that this

2798
03:28:56.440 --> 03:29:01.239
is I believe that that that the
world, My world does not revolve around,

2799
03:29:01.680 --> 03:29:07.479
you know, professional athletics. I
believe that I can promote other things

2800
03:29:07.559 --> 03:29:16.000
to a more general base of humanity. I believe that is always a key

2801
03:29:16.120 --> 03:29:20.680
pretext in the laps character's statement,
because usually you're the only one that believes

2802
03:29:20.719 --> 03:29:24.399
that. But it was hard to
know what to talk to because if you

2803
03:29:24.479 --> 03:29:30.159
piss the wrong person off or dust
he perceived he was criticizing him, like

2804
03:29:30.239 --> 03:29:33.200
he just he just flies off the
handle, you know, like he's just

2805
03:29:33.319 --> 03:29:39.840
gonna scream and do the whole his
whole jive talk thing whenever somebody's like,

2806
03:29:39.000 --> 03:29:43.879
dude, you're you're out of bullets, man, No, dadda, I

2807
03:29:43.920 --> 03:29:46.639
mean I'm a fucking bullets baby,
because you know what, I got the

2808
03:29:46.680 --> 03:29:48.559
biggest bullet of all right here,
daddy, I got the pen, the

2809
03:29:48.760 --> 03:29:54.799
pen that rough down exactly what's gonna
happen every net when it comes to NBA

2810
03:29:56.000 --> 03:29:58.879
rough and daddy, And I'm gonna
tell you, maybe I feel as long

2811
03:29:58.959 --> 03:30:01.639
if I'm doing that, you ain't
got no fucking job, all right,

2812
03:30:01.680 --> 03:30:03.079
Danny, because you're gonna fit Mack. You're gonna watch a lot of people

2813
03:30:03.159 --> 03:30:07.399
doing the ship and then I'm gonna
come back and I'm gonna put my foot

2814
03:30:07.680 --> 03:30:11.280
in your face and then I'm gonna
shot on your damn head. How about

2815
03:30:11.319 --> 03:30:15.120
that, motherfucker. I'm a Mack
and dreamed down the road and you're the

2816
03:30:15.200 --> 03:30:18.799
American bitch. You bitch as motherfucker
and all the way, you better believe

2817
03:30:18.840 --> 03:30:24.120
I'm gonna win the Bunkhouse Stampede.
The concept of the Bunk House Stampede about

2818
03:30:26.520 --> 03:30:28.879
boy, I got fucking heat for
that man and I get he with Lex

2819
03:30:30.000 --> 03:30:35.159
Luger and Flair and stinging these fucking
guys. Is that the bull rope was

2820
03:30:35.200 --> 03:30:41.600
a unique thing that I that I
created because of the d for me and

2821
03:30:41.760 --> 03:30:46.120
created that. That was the first
extreme h match, real new extreme match,

2822
03:30:46.200 --> 03:30:52.000
besides the war Games and everything and
uh and I owned the war Games.

2823
03:30:52.040 --> 03:30:54.920
It's my deal, you know.
I think that the extreme I think

2824
03:30:54.000 --> 03:31:01.120
I got a group like ec W
first ever sell it to PAULI war Games,

2825
03:31:01.719 --> 03:31:07.159
anything goes, it would be phenomenal. I just take a meager fee

2826
03:31:07.239 --> 03:31:18.920
for but he uh uh the Bunks
Tempe we had cage matches, right,

2827
03:31:18.719 --> 03:31:22.360
and our cage match was different than
Vinces vinceys. You put a cage in

2828
03:31:22.440 --> 03:31:26.479
to get out. I didn't ever
understand that concept. You get out the

2829
03:31:26.559 --> 03:31:28.760
door, you go over the top
of you win. The match. Art

2830
03:31:28.920 --> 03:31:31.920
was to keep the heartsoman out,
to keep the evil guys out, to

2831
03:31:31.040 --> 03:31:37.159
keep the people out from getting in
and finally finishing this thing with you and

2832
03:31:37.239 --> 03:31:41.399
so and so. You know,
let's finish this match, and uh something

2833
03:31:41.440 --> 03:31:46.159
always happened in some cases, but
a lot of finishes were done in the

2834
03:31:46.239 --> 03:31:54.079
cage. So the concept of the
two and me being the cowboy from Texas

2835
03:31:56.000 --> 03:31:58.440
and the Bull of Woods, the
baddest you know, in the in the

2836
03:31:58.559 --> 03:32:05.040
in the in the deal. The
concept came for the bunk House Stampede because

2837
03:32:05.079 --> 03:32:07.000
we needed and now we had started. Instead of doing four pay per views

2838
03:32:07.040 --> 03:32:09.760
at three, we were doing five. We were doing six. So I

2839
03:32:09.840 --> 03:32:16.959
was and naming the different things.
I wanted different concepts and different things to

2840
03:32:16.040 --> 03:32:22.959
happen. Leathal lottery and you know
there were I had to create in the

2841
03:32:22.079 --> 03:32:26.040
Stampede with a not a throwaway pay
per view, but it was a pay

2842
03:32:26.079 --> 03:32:28.239
per view that was at a time
of year. The were. It always

2843
03:32:28.319 --> 03:32:31.719
didn't do as well as the other
ones, but we had to do it,

2844
03:32:31.760 --> 03:32:35.479
and we couldn't make a little money
off of it. And it was

2845
03:32:35.559 --> 03:32:37.639
over the top coming to our bunk
house rules, because back then you always

2846
03:32:37.639 --> 03:32:41.440
had the street fights. But in
our company it was bunk house street fights

2847
03:32:41.479 --> 03:32:45.120
be cause the cowboy that era,
you know what I mean. It wasn't

2848
03:32:45.120 --> 03:32:48.639
like the New Jersey the Chicago.
What the hell is the difference between the

2849
03:32:48.799 --> 03:32:52.440
Chicago New Jersey and the Texas street
fight? There? You so mine was

2850
03:32:52.520 --> 03:32:54.319
the concept was in the old days, we didn't here we come again.

2851
03:32:54.479 --> 03:33:00.520
I said, video precede what I'm
wanna do. Bunk house, the old

2852
03:33:00.559 --> 03:33:03.079
West. We showed all the deal, you know what I mean. It's

2853
03:33:03.159 --> 03:33:07.479
like a midnight rider. We showed
the video preceded this this thing, and

2854
03:33:09.040 --> 03:33:11.000
uh so we told the story of
the old days, the bunk house and

2855
03:33:11.040 --> 03:33:13.799
all that stuff. So it just
came about like that. And I had

2856
03:33:13.879 --> 03:33:18.639
won the I had won the stampede
because I was a creator. I was

2857
03:33:18.760 --> 03:33:22.920
the I was a bull of the
woods. I created this fucking thing.

2858
03:33:22.959 --> 03:33:24.559
There was none of the cowboys and
god damn thing, you know what I

2859
03:33:24.600 --> 03:33:28.079
mean? What looker want to be
a fucking cowboy, I mean, you

2860
03:33:28.120 --> 03:33:31.360
know what I mean. So that
was my match, you know, and

2861
03:33:31.639 --> 03:33:37.520
I wanted again the second year and
the Nassau Coliseum and uh Long Island.

2862
03:33:37.719 --> 03:33:41.200
Remember getting on the plane and then
questioning me about that, Why did you

2863
03:33:41.239 --> 03:33:46.200
put yourself over on this thing?
And uh, I kind of laughed to

2864
03:33:46.280 --> 03:33:52.680
myself, you know what I mean, and uh it was just uh it

2865
03:33:52.840 --> 03:33:54.760
was just uh, we don't even
do it no more, but it was

2866
03:33:54.879 --> 03:34:00.120
just uh an era that uh that
that thing did some business, you know.

2867
03:34:00.239 --> 03:34:03.159
That's how that's how it came about. When I was a king,

2868
03:34:03.239 --> 03:34:05.479
that was my match. Nobody else
gonna win that fucking match with me.

2869
03:34:05.680 --> 03:34:15.239
But here it is not putting words
in his mouth. That's rout, baby.

2870
03:34:15.280 --> 03:34:16.680
No one fucking winning that a god
damn it with me. And so

2871
03:34:18.040 --> 03:34:22.280
I am the bull of the hoods
that it. And so within a year,

2872
03:34:22.319 --> 03:34:26.559
what do you think has happening?
Do you think Dusty is vindicated?

2873
03:34:26.719 --> 03:34:30.600
Businesses up, they're fighting tooth and
nail with Vince, pushing in a new

2874
03:34:30.680 --> 03:34:35.680
market, successfully consolidating talent, and
they're differentiated kind of presentation of pro wrestling

2875
03:34:35.920 --> 03:34:41.280
or no, do you think everyone's
sitting around wondering how did we get here?

2876
03:34:41.799 --> 03:34:46.399
And it was it was it was
like riding the wave, you know.

2877
03:34:46.840 --> 03:34:48.399
So I mean to say whether he's
good, bad, or indifferent.

2878
03:34:50.719 --> 03:34:52.600
When I was there, it was
nothing but good. You know. I

2879
03:34:52.680 --> 03:34:58.559
don't know what kind of booker he
was after I left, Uh, but

2880
03:34:58.680 --> 03:35:03.000
it wasn't too long that things kind
of fell apart. And I don't know

2881
03:35:03.120 --> 03:35:09.479
what contributed to that, but I
can remember Vince making a comment to me

2882
03:35:09.479 --> 03:35:15.680
at TV one time. We were
all sitting watching the monitor and we were

2883
03:35:15.760 --> 03:35:18.799
in Syracuse or Rochester, New York
or something like that, and it was

2884
03:35:18.920 --> 03:35:22.360
Dusty sitting there, and Barry sitting
here, and me sitting here and aren't

2885
03:35:22.399 --> 03:35:28.200
sitting here and and uh, Vince
looked around like this and he said,

2886
03:35:30.239 --> 03:35:37.079
is my territory safe? And I
just looked. I didn't I couldn't respond.

2887
03:35:37.200 --> 03:35:39.719
I mean, what kind of I
didn't understand the comment at the time,

2888
03:35:41.360 --> 03:35:43.799
And you know, it was he
was kind of being humorous, but

2889
03:35:45.239 --> 03:35:52.239
he kind of wasn't being humorous too, you know, because it was we

2890
03:35:52.360 --> 03:35:54.360
were all working for him, you
know, in six months earlier, we

2891
03:35:54.440 --> 03:36:01.239
were all you know, opposition to
him. Good God, damn right,

2892
03:36:01.959 --> 03:36:05.959
that's right with that, I believe
it's time for the bunk House Stampede nineteen

2893
03:36:05.000 --> 03:36:15.520
eighty eight death Toll. Boss,
ooh we we have I didn't well?

2894
03:36:15.760 --> 03:36:24.040
Yeah, thank seven seven so kind
of funny, not not not never as

2895
03:36:24.120 --> 03:36:31.159
many dead on the on the NWA
JCP, the non steroid ch w Yeah

2896
03:36:31.719 --> 03:36:35.600
of the you know the down South, the less system shows. Yes,

2897
03:36:37.040 --> 03:36:43.280
we have Paul Jones, Yeah,
bush Whacker, butch who's in the dark

2898
03:36:43.360 --> 03:36:50.040
match before it's a recent one and
it's a recent one. Another recent one.

2899
03:36:50.159 --> 03:36:54.159
Bobby eat Shore. It's not that
he's Bobby, he's eating his grave.

2900
03:36:54.319 --> 03:37:01.360
Uh. We have Hawk, Ivan
Coloff, Animal, I mean Mac

2901
03:37:01.440 --> 03:37:05.639
and dream Duff the road rest in
peace to all in the Bunkhouse Stampede.

2902
03:37:05.719 --> 03:37:09.280
And with that, Boss, I
think we need to get our jeans on.

2903
03:37:09.360 --> 03:37:11.879
I got him, I got my
cowboy hat, I got my cowboy

2904
03:37:11.959 --> 03:37:16.559
boots get and I got a I
don't know whatever else I need. I

2905
03:37:16.600 --> 03:37:20.079
got a horse too, Can I
use a horse? We'll go find out.

2906
03:37:20.079 --> 03:37:22.680
I'm gonna tie this bandanna around my
neck and we're gonna get to deep

2907
03:37:22.719 --> 03:37:26.319
dive. And this motherfucker it's time
for the latest deep dive into that WW

2908
03:37:26.600 --> 03:37:31.840
Network Archive. It's the first ever
I guess you could say unfucked with to

2909
03:37:31.959 --> 03:37:37.360
some degree, pay per view presentation
from Jim Crockett Promotion's head up with the

2910
03:37:37.440 --> 03:37:43.040
very first televised Royal Rumble. It's
the Bunkhouse Stampede nineteen and eighty eight.

2911
03:37:43.600 --> 03:37:45.040
On the other side of this break