WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:14.839 Then hello. How welcome and welcome I am Luis Miguel Salgado, welcome. 2 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.359 This is what a good question and I am very happy today, as I 3 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:22.960 am accompanied by an exceptional woman, truly spectacular, for everything she does, 4 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.399 for everything she has done, for everything I have studied, but especially for 5 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:32.079 everything she is. For me it is a pleasure and privilege, brenda brenda 6 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:36.000 Manzano, welcome, how you are. All right. Thank you very much, 7 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.240 very excited to Luis, really very much for this invitation. I' 8 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:45.280 m very, very glad you' re with us and let me introduce Brinda 9 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:48.880 Manzano to you as she deserves. She is the director of the Civil Organization 10 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:54.920 Preparation for Professional Freedom for more than twenty years in areas of strategic importance in 11 00:00:55.159 --> 00:01:03.159 human resources and human and organizational development of the Preparation for Freedom Program. It 12 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:11.319 is an organization that collaborates with the prisons to support them in the network Help 13 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.480 me please, resocialization. I don' t know why that one brings me, 14 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:22.239 what a terrible thing it is, obviously, to reintegrate them back into 15 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.760 society in such a good way. This is for men, women and adolescents 16 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:32.719 who are under pressure concerned about the difficulties faced by those who have been deprived 17 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:38.120 of their liberty. By wanting to be reintegrated into society, it empowers people 18 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:45.840 by providing them with skills and tools that enable them to improve their quality of 19 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:49.680 life by fostering work, values, effort and resilience. It is not all 20 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:57.319 an act of social responsibility, but it is also a strategy to build a 21 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:02.200 more positive future for society as a whole. Brenda, by offering educational opportunities, 22 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:07.840 is investing the possibility of transforming staff and in building a safer and fairer 23 00:02:07.919 --> 00:02:14.360 Community. If it' s okay with you, as I tell you, 24 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:43.439 we always start to apologize, because tongue- tucking, but part of the 25 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:44.800 magic we start or brenda trail Manzano is with us on what good question. 26 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.479 The truth is that I am very happy my dear Brenda and good to begin 27 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:52.719 with, and before you put words harder to produce, I want to ask 28 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.240 you something. This is the question I always ask all my guests. Beyond 29 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:01.960 what you studied, beyond what you' ve worked beyond everything. Tell us, 30 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:07.680 please, who' s brende apple. Well, I could define myself 31 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:13.879 at this point in my life Luis, as a much more conscious person, 32 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:21.080 in the emotional part, in the spiritual part, in the part as a 33 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:24.280 mother, also as a professionalist. So, I think today I' m 34 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:32.159 at a stage where I define myself with all those nuances let' s say 35 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.560 from all my life experiences. And, well, I think that has also 36 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:42.520 led me today to have a social conscience and that just took me to where 37 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.159 I am now. And well, it seemed incredible, but at almost forty 38 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:52.360 - nine years old, I think that now, because I have already found 39 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:55.120 my sense of life with this work that I am doing today. So, 40 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:59.319 well, that' s how you could define me. Today you give me 41 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:05.199 a lot, a lot, a lot of tools to ask you and, 42 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:13.159 before anything else, I would love to know why to be aware of where 43 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.160 consciousness comes from, why this fact of saying now I have a different consciousness, 44 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:23.680 that something significant has happened in your life, that marked in a different 45 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:29.199 way, a before and a after. This consciousness came by spontaneous generation or, 46 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.800 suddenly, over the years, also helped you say" honey". 47 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.639 I think the road is this way ay, because I think she' s 48 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:41.800 a sumana in a lot of things. No, but, well, mainly 49 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:48.480 I think you' re aware of why you' re here today, why 50 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:51.480 did he bring you life to this? Why did you have to live all 51 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:57.439 that you have lived so that just, then, all those pieces, like 52 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:01.360 you' re putting them together and you' re rebuilding them, and today 53 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:06.160 I' m more aware of that, of who I am, of all 54 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.720 that I' ve learned, of all my experiences, good bad ones that 55 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.199 have built me up. Finally, then I think that' s why I 56 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:15.560 ' m more conscious. Besides, I' m going to tell you, 57 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.560 I mean, it sounds amazing, but the work I do today and with 58 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:24.519 the people I collaborate with today and the people I help with today, so 59 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:30.759 to speak, have also made me very aware of my present of why we 60 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.600 are here in life. So I think that' s more like that, 61 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:40.399 I mean, I' m more open today. Let' s say experiences, 62 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.160 learning, that is, I think that' s why I have and 63 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:46.720 more awareness of who I am about how I' ve built up. That 64 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:53.319 ' s right, how I see it, how you came to help these 65 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:58.519 young people or these adults. How did you get on this show? Because, 66 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.279 obviously, the question would be why you didn' t go. I 67 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:05.639 don' t know accountant, actress, singer, how I know you don 68 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.879 ' t at last have it. Yeah, I wanted to be hey, 69 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:13.279 I wanted to model, ah life very well. I mean, I didn 70 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.800 ' t even take classes to become a professional model. But, well, 71 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.600 my mom, you know in those times of good, those places pervert you 72 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:26.439 and well, you know what, and well she did me for your deals. 73 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.120 But this good one, because what I can tell you is that life 74 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.600 alone brought me. It' s not something I looked for or what I 75 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:39.480 can tell you is that today I have that awareness that I liked all my 76 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.240 life how to help that, yes, that is, all my life. 77 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:48.519 I think I had that feeling of doing something else for others and today I 78 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:53.639 have that conscience. Finally, why did you bring this to me here? 79 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:57.800 But the truth I can tell you that it was a coincidence or good or 80 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:02.680 good departures say experiences, but it was so in a way that I never 81 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.680 imagined, because, well, I was at a stage completely in my professional 82 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:11.199 life, as you said right at the beginning. Well, I' ve 83 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:15.920 been working on all the issues of human resources, training, recruitment, etcetera. 84 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:19.000 Everything that has to do with staff in an organization. I was working 85 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:25.839 at the time for an organization, well, I had a partner with whom 86 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:33.439 Beno collaborated in our aspects. And just being in that job. Suddenly I 87 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:39.279 get the invitation, we sign up you know Carna Cintra so you can promote 88 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:44.959 your services, etcetera. Suddenly, well, I have the great fortune to 89 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:49.000 meet a person who was at the time, as Chairman of the Human Development 90 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:54.800 Commission in Canacintra and well, he has personal issues to leave the post and 91 00:07:54.839 --> 00:08:01.600 invites me to replace him, to replace him in that position. So that 92 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:03.279 ' s how good it is. I start working with Canas. He enters 93 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:09.240 this Human Development Commission and one day I am invited to the presentation at a 94 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:20.519 breakfast where the penitentiary system publicly launches an application for the just people who are 95 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.680 already close to obtaining their freedom so that through that application. Well, then, 96 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.319 have different tools that allow you, just like this topic of reintegrating into 97 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.600 society. And, well, at that breakfast I hear everything you' re 98 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.440 doing, everything that, besides, well, I find fantastic, everything that 99 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:43.639 the penitentiary system does in Querétaro. It' s wonderful all the work you 100 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.799 ' ve been doing. And, I mean, all of a sudden I 101 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.039 said as much as i wou I mean, the truth is, you also 102 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.919 realize that it' s a section of the population where we never go back 103 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:58.879 to see, that is, they' re part of us, they' 104 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.960 re part of our society, but we didn' t turn them around and 105 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:07.240 I was one of those. Not then, well, that' s when 106 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.639 I know everything I tell you they' re doing and all of a sudden, 107 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.320 well, I get out of breakfast. Well, before breakfast is over, 108 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.960 I get close, I meet the then director of the social reintegration area 109 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.519 and well I said hey, I think there' s some way that we, 110 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.679 as the Human Development Commission and the Kanasn trate, can help and we 111 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.200 can add to what you are doing. Well, that' s where Luis 112 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.759 was. I mean, I' ve already gone home, you know, 113 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.960 and at night it' s the truth, it' s better to think 114 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.759 a lot and I said how it' s possible, because these people do 115 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.759 get support, but no one turns to see them. No, I mean, 116 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:50.879 you realize today. Also, today I realize even more that there are 117 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:56.799 a thousand programs, you know, that is, to help children from orphanages 118 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:03.399 or almost home or nursing homes for older people for people with disabilities. But 119 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.919 I said and where there are programs that support people who after ten, fifteen, 120 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.360 five or three years suddenly have to go back to society, that is 121 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:20.759 where they are. No. And also, I am devoting myself to human 122 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.399 resources, because I also realize that we, even as a society, were 123 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.000 also very relegated to them, because, moreover, every time you hire a 124 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.120 person for a job and recruit him because you ask for the letter to non 125 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.559 - criminal ancestors. And it was right there that I said good and what 126 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.039 about all of them, I mean, how it' s going to get 127 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:45.279 to a person who tried to get back to work and gets stuck with this 128 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:46.960 issue of the Charter of Decent Non- Workers, how it' s going 129 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.519 to do it no. And then there was one you don' t know 130 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:58.159 I mean, my head was fluttering and so I stayed for several days until 131 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:05.159 I don' t know if I got the inspiration the l but well, 132 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.000 suddenly I decided to set up a program, design a training program. I 133 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.120 start to investigate, obviously, the conditions of people in prison, not just 134 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.480 in Querétaro, but obviously throughout the country. And good is that they are 135 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:24.960 born inspiration to create a program for them. Hey, right now, listening 136 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:33.879 to you, obviously, there are questions that arise in the air and that 137 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.080 it' s important to land them. One of them is assumed and this 138 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.120 is an assumption. My grandmother said never suppose, son, because the expulsions 139 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.960 of the no. But the important point here is that in most of the 140 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:52.440 population, in a prison, they are supposed to be those who did, 141 00:11:52.960 --> 00:12:01.159 committed a crime and otherwise are there for a specific reason. I say we 142 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.960 assume, because I also imagine that there must be scandalous cases in which the 143 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.200 person may have stolen a piece of bread and that' s why a little 144 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.159 gang is there. And that' s why this is there. And how, 145 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:20.320 obviously, our judicial system is not optimal, no, but that person 146 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:28.440 who committed a crime, how can you detect. Evidently, he' s 147 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:35.159 already serving his sentence, turned x. Apparently, he understood the lesson and 148 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.759 how you work with this means of containment, that is, he has some 149 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.600 data if any of these young people came out and went back to crime and 150 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.600 had to return. Or if everyone who comes out already comes back to us. 151 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.120 There are some metrics that you have and practice a little bit on this 152 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.919 program to know, because, obviously, what you say is true. They 153 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.720 ask you for a criminal record paper and those of us who don' t 154 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:01.480 have it all of a sudden are not offended, no, but we feel 155 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:05.639 something. Listen how it' s possible for me to say what I look 156 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:11.000 like a criminal or what' s unclear, but it' s obviously a 157 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.799 very important thing. It is not a security for the company and for the 158 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.159 heritage of both the company and the human resource, which are valuable. Some 159 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.440 metrics something like that. What tools you provide. Tell us a little bit 160 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.759 more about the program. Well, look, this one I' m gonna 161 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.000 answer how I' ve answered a lot of people this question. Yeah, 162 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.679 and I don' t know what they did. Okay, I feel good. 163 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.200 I don' t feel good. I share with them my knowledge and 164 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:46.559 experience. Yes, with Juan, with Roberto, with José, with Daniela, 165 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:52.840 with whatever name you like or not, with the criminal, not with 166 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:58.120 the killer, with which robot, with the human being, not with the 167 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.559 exact human being. Then, of course, there is a lot of data. 168 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:09.320 You can find out well through online surveys, for example, with all 169 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:15.799 the prisons in the country, where you can find data on the recidivism of 170 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:20.919 these people. Yes, of course it is information that, over time, 171 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.559 they share us alone, but I do not arrive and ask them further, 172 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.399 I never prepared for this as such. I don' t know if I 173 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:37.559 ' m going to understand myself or be clear, they' re going to 174 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.840 work with a group, with this section of the population. I explain yes, 175 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.440 yes, I am prepared on the subject of formation and human development. 176 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:46.679 Those are my boards. Of course, then, I' ve always seen 177 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:54.559 it this way not and I feel with people, with people I don' 178 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.600 t know if they' re going to change or not because of what I 179 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:03.600 do, but the intention is made clear, that we share knowledge with them 180 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.799 and each one decides whether or not to apply it. But I cannot guarantee 181 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.360 that, through what we do, then crime will either not exist or will 182 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:16.600 end or there will no longer be recidivism. That doesn' t depend on 183 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.039 me anymore, but I do think sharing with them this information that, besides, 184 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.360 we' re usually not used to taking even in school, nor the 185 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.919 confutation about the emotional intelligence that right now is going to talk to you, 186 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.120 that is, what it consists of as such a program. But we are 187 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:39.159 giving you a tool that I hope can serve, or I, putting that 188 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.120 intention to you, you know that they serve you. That' s why 189 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.600 I hope that then, because it' s magic, it happens or not. 190 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.559 I don' t want to talk politics. I don' t want 191 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:56.639 to talk about legal issues, because it' s getting into a field where 192 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.240 we' d miss the opportunity to talk directly to you. But what I 193 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:06.279 do mean is that, of course, this Charter is a stigma. That 194 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.480 Charter is nails in a coffin that then, if these people' s doors 195 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:15.639 begin to close, they obviously have no other way to recidivate, that is, 196 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:21.840 to go back to doing this. And then, the truth is deplorable 197 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.840 And away from that, when you don' t have tools, you can 198 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.919 say, when you don' t have tools even for life, to be 199 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.440 able to study, to be able to work, how you' re going 200 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.799 to do it as much as you want And more in this world that is 201 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.919 super competing, that is full of selfishness, that is full of petulancy, 202 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.799 of friends. No And then, well, we have cases of MPs, 203 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:52.399 mediocre senators who obviously didn' t, well, didn' t even run 204 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.799 the primary. I guess here the important point is this how they embrace this 205 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:02.600 program and how you distinguish your change. You see this subject of interest. 206 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:07.039 You see this topic and I imagine it was also first, how you distinguish 207 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.920 the changes and, second, also ask yourself. I imagine you' re 208 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.319 going to take on a positive satisfaction and experiences, also incredible of the human 209 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.559 being. No, yeah, no, no, you don' t know 210 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:26.279 what we do. Look. I' m going to tell you how we 211 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.240 ' ve measured the impact of what we' re doing today, because, 212 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:36.319 besides, let me tell you that this is a program that we started at 213 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:38.559 two thousand twenty- two OK and well, because it was taken into account, 214 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:42.119 so not between tests and error, so to speak a little, but 215 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.160 we also realized. We made certain tools available to them, but along the 216 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:51.720 way we realized that they had other needs. And I' m going to 217 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.519 give you an example, that is, our tayer program is about emotional intelligence, 218 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:03.240 neurolinguistic programming. We talk about family systems with them, we talk about 219 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:08.400 the re- signification of values, of strengthening, values, that is, 220 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:12.960 it is all this edification. As a human being you know then along the 221 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:18.440 way we realized that suddenly we met people where we said it is important to 222 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.920 work with them tolerance to frustration, for example. So we integrated that photography 223 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:30.720 tolerance workshop. We have a workshop called a life plan. So, well, 224 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:37.160 we have several tools right there to help you in that sense. What 225 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:41.400 happened to our program was aimed at those people who were close to obtaining their 226 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:47.400 freedom in the next four six months or so, that is to say already 227 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:51.480 in that period, because our program lasts more than three months of training, 228 00:18:52.200 --> 00:19:00.240 or with young people is more, but with adults. So and adult women. 229 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:04.839 Well, the program is a little shorter. So it' s three 230 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:08.759 months every Saturday we go with them. We trained them for four hours of 231 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.519 training. In total, it' s 36 hours, but for teenagers we 232 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:18.319 have a program of seventy- two hours. That' s where we did 233 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.319 it I' m telling you, for example, that modification. So what 234 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:27.799 was going on with our group, it was for nearby people to get their 235 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:33.240 freedom after the first three months. What happened, Luis? Suddenly people came 236 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.519 and told us to listen, I' m not going out yet, I 237 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.880 mean I' m going out still in four years or three years, but 238 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.880 my cella partner is taking this training and already talked to me and I want 239 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.519 to take it. Okay, or I' ve seen it work out for 240 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.319 you. And then there came another one that said hey. I' m 241 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:59.440 in the carpentry workshop with my colleagues and they' re taking the workshop too 242 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.039 and I want to take it. That' s how we were measuring the 243 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:08.240 impact we were having with this training. That' s what happened. So 244 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:14.160 I can tell you that then we realized that it was something that was working, 245 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:17.839 that people were moving something because besides, among them they already shared it. 246 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:22.319 You know. Then we told them no matter what you could come here 247 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:26.160 and be as many times as you need it. And we had the case 248 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.400 of two people or three people more or less who finished the workshop and after 249 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:36.039 three months they returned with us. Okay, as you hear, you already 250 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.559 took it, no yes, but I want to keep taking it, because 251 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:44.039 I' m always finding new things or learning it, so good. This 252 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.160 is the way we were or have been measuring, for example, because the 253 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:56.319 impact this training is having. We worked only with men and women. First 254 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:02.440 we worked with the Varonil Prison in Querer for a year and our second year 255 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:07.599 we were already working in San Juan del Río Jalpan and with the women, 256 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.599 that is, we were already attending the four prisons. Suddenly, at a 257 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:18.119 meeting, the director of the juvenile correctional facility, who was a group that 258 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.759 we were not attending to, approached us and told us what they are doing. 259 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.240 I want you to come work with the chaus and we said well, 260 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:36.240 because we don' t have the resources. True we can talk about that 261 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:40.400 part, but well, he told us. I want you to know what 262 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:45.039 we' re doing here with teenagers. We also met everything they do, 263 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:49.400 all the tools they provide and made some adjustments to start working with teenagers. 264 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.400 So since September last year we' ve been working with that group as well. 265 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:02.079 So many congratulations. What must go of young people, young people have 266 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:07.400 a totally, radically different synergy and more of the young people of now platicans. 267 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:14.359 How come, in one other way, I tell them that I have 268 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:18.000 a lot of questions stuck. The first of them that I want to make 269 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:22.480 you is really whose fault it is that these young people are there, whose 270 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:26.160 fault is that those adults, that those men and that those women are there? 271 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:33.160 From society, from the family, from companies. It is a shared 272 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:38.519 social responsibility and talking about culpability is also very subjective, no, but that 273 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:47.119 is to say, there must be such triggers for someone to commit some crime. 274 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:52.119 And, obviously, it' s a set of things, but I 275 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.799 ' d like to hear it from your own lips to know if this is 276 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.960 the question that' s on the way. There' s some quicker, 277 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:04.759 closer solution. There will be some ingredient that, if we put it or 278 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:11.559 remove it, helps adults, young people to sling less. It' s 279 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:15.240 just that it' s very difficult to answer because responsibility, because I could 280 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.279 say it' s everyone' s. Not what I can tell you that 281 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:22.640 we have learned or well we have understood that, for example, in the 282 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.200 case of adolescents, before being victimizers, they were victims of the vast majority 283 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:33.799 of events, then victims of the family, victims of society, victims of 284 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:38.039 friends, victims of the lack of opportunities. I mean, I can' 285 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:42.039 t tell you that justifies it, because I told my friend. I don 286 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.759 ' t justify the fact that I say that I don' t care about 287 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.000 the crime they committed and that, that' s why I work with them. 288 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.839 It doesn' t mean that I justify what they did for more. 289 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:57.119 However, understanding how this context, as you ask me, I could tell 290 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:02.759 you that in my experience, since before the great majority of them were victims, 291 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:07.079 especially when we talked with them suddenly we met adults who have repeated their 292 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.880 crimes many times, that is, we met a man who had repeated his 293 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.119 crimes fifteen times, that is, had already stepped on the prison fifteen times. 294 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:19.240 I think there too, well, it' s already his responsibility, 295 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.519 I mean, you don' t want to do things differently. Then in 296 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:27.200 society you can put the resources of a company, it can open the doors, 297 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:33.680 but you have already decided that your life has already been like this. 298 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:34.559 I don' t know if I mean that. Yes, it was your 299 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.640 choice. Yeah, yeah, totally, but you know what. And here 300 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.720 I want to interrupt you. I want to invite everyone who' s watching 301 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.079 us to listen to us. I want to invite you to Brinda. I 302 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.519 don' t know if you' ve already seen it, it must be 303 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.400 on YouTube. I' m going to get it and if I don' 304 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.119 t put it in the link below the interview I have with a prison brinda. 305 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:06.920 It says the fifteen most dangerous prisons in the world and appears in number 306 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:12.519 fifteen. One thing like that, a prison in Norway, where there are 307 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:18.000 no prison doors, that is, there are no cells, there are no 308 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:25.559 doors. I think there are fifty prisoners, no, and I think there 309 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.039 are five guards, so that the dog comes out, they don' t 310 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:34.039 have doors. Why, because they attack a lot from culture since they are 311 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:38.480 born, and it is a culture that permeates in all aspects. Of course, 312 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:44.319 we are talking to a Parisian like Norway, who also has a different 313 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.720 culture, a different way of thinking, and so on. But there must 314 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:51.680 be some key out there where we haven' t given him yet, like 315 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:56.240 Mexico. No, the rich are richer, the poor are poorer, and 316 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:03.160 I think that' s where many problems go. I want to ask you 317 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.960 about your medals, those satisfactions that work on what you do, because you 318 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.799 see the passion, you see the dedication. But talk to us, this 319 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:17.400 satisfaction you' ve found some person outside They' ve gone to thank you 320 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:18.759 in another way. Suddenly, the gicyshs who are already working, are already 321 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:25.519 producing, and their family reunited something. So, look, I' m 322 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.599 gonna tell you the story that I' m not gonna reveal his name, 323 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.920 but, well, he came out. For example, he is an industrial 324 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.160 engineer, or with him it was a great experience for me. Also, 325 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.519 I mean, they have also contributed me as you have no idea, that 326 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.680 is, very, very much, and, well, this is the story 327 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:52.799 of a boy industrial engineer, thirty- two years or so thirty- three 328 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:59.680 years, that one day leaving work, he came very tired, very stressed, 329 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:06.359 he was driving, he comes fighting with the driver next door and he 330 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.759 loses, that is, he loses his temper. He' s getting his 331 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.599 car blown up and this car goes to the ravine and one of the two 332 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.279 people who came in the car dies. So, well, that' s 333 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.759 why then he goes to prison for five years. When I met him, 334 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:30.480 at first he was in the workshops and only observed not quiet, he said 335 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.519 nothing like me. I think about a month or so from what we were 336 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:40.920 already training him, he comes up with me and he tells me I hope 337 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.119 someday when I' m out that it' s too soon that I' 338 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.640 m going out, I mean, I' m six months away. I 339 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:51.799 ' m gonna sit down and talk to you,' cause I think this 340 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.799 thing you guys are doing is very important. I mean, it' s 341 00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:59.200 really very significant. And, well, obviously he knew a lot of people 342 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.039 they lived with. There is next door and he said that besides, I 343 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:06.960 realize how people who have taken training with me also have a different attitude are 344 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:14.880 seeing different things. And, well, he gets out of prison and finds 345 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:18.279 himself right on this subject that because of the non- criminal antecedent letter, 346 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:23.799 you can' t re- contract to work in an organization already to continue 347 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:30.119 exercising your profession as an industrial engineer. And he' s just looking for 348 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:36.039 me He' s looking for me when he comes out and says," 349 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:36.960 Well, I' m out, I' m going to start looking for 350 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:41.400 a job" But, well, I don' t think I' ll 351 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.440 be able to go back to what I was doing. The only thing I 352 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.839 want to share with you is that no one. The only thing that' 353 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.480 s one of the things I learned is that no one in this life, 354 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.440 no one is who we are, we' re exempt from stepping on the 355 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:59.759 peso. Nobody. For me, that was something that even I didn' 356 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.960 t have. Or I don' t know if I explain, Luis, 357 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.960 you don' t even think about it, he explained to me, I 358 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.920 mean, you take it for granted that you' re never gonna step on 359 00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:11.519 that place, because I' m not a criminal. I mean, I 360 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.920 don' t steal, I don' t hurt, I don' t 361 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:21.519 kill, I' m not a murderer, no, but he, in 362 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.440 that situation he faced and the bad decision he made, led him to be 363 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.440 in prison for five years. Time goes on. I keep in touch with 364 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.720 him and one day he tells me well what you think I haven' t 365 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.920 definitely found in my area. And now I have to work at the centre 366 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:40.880 of reason, because no one gives me clear work. Then what I saw 367 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:47.920 in him was also a lot of frustration. Luis you know why I must 368 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.839 be made for more and not because obviously, I denigrate no one' s 369 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:57.920 work. Absolutely. He said good. I can' t win what I 370 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:03.039 ' m used to, but it' s more. If for a professional 371 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.400 person who hasn' t stepped on the prison it was a terrible frustration not 372 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:12.000 finding the job. Now imagine a person limited in that capacity. It must 373 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.799 be awful. Of course and besides, what he was saying to me is 374 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.559 now I understand, because many times, that is, many people return to 375 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:23.839 prison because they already spoke to their friend clearly to ask him to shake hands 376 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:29.799 with them and he referred him again to another criminal. So it' s 377 00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.000 a mean, it becomes a virtuous circle. I' m what it' 378 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.680 s like to call. Then I get out of there, but I don 379 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:37.839 ' t get out. I don' t know if you see him. 380 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:44.960 Yeah, I' m totally out, but I do follow you in songs 381 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.200 really, I mean, I can move, but I' m still jailed 382 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.240 for why, because of the stigma I have now. Obviously, this is 383 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:57.839 a regrettable, deplorable case, because, because one person was at stake how 384 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.200 important the decisins are. What you just said three minutes of courage can lead 385 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:12.000 you to a situation of consequences that nobody wants. Now I would love to 386 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:18.279 know in this case how we can help as a society, how we can 387 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.319 help, if you say hear, because I got hooked on this. I 388 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.200 want to help. I have to tell you that at some point in my 389 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:30.240 life, when I was younger, I had a hair like your leather. 390 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.160 I don' t change for the fence like that, but I' m 391 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:41.119 already a model then, but I' ve also been going with young people 392 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:47.400 there in Mexico City, to one of the San Fernando centers and what experience. 393 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:52.319 Suddenly they told me things that I always kept with a line of believing 394 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.359 or not believing the story, because, obviously, because many stories are invented 395 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:01.720 and are with data that they are not. But suddenly they told me some 396 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.759 stories and said I can' t believe it. No, and on some 397 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.039 occasion I have to tell you that I play the guitar and then I took 398 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:15.039 to the guitar because I remember that I was going with an evangelisation group and 399 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:20.519 where you put me to a group I don' t close the door with 400 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.319 ten interns, I with the guitar, you don' t know what and 401 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.279 I played and nobody peeled me and they made me faces until I left the 402 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:30.720 guitar and I started talking to him already as they talk to each other. 403 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:37.079 And it was a cathartic experience for me because I said how it is possible 404 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:42.160 that these boys, in the conditions in which they are, with what they 405 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:46.200 eat, with what little they recreate with it is to live in the same 406 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:52.319 space in deplorable conditions. Suddenly they have more joy than one who is outside, 407 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:57.599 They have more illusions than one who has everyone at their feet and that 408 00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.680 we still have the usability of fighting and arguing and getting into broncas that do 409 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.720 not correspond to us or in risks that do not correspond to us. Yeah, 410 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.200 well, look, I mean, I' ve never been in that 411 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.559 situation, but I can talk to you through their eyes, that is, 412 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.480 through what they tell me, that is, a lot of people get there 413 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.880 because of the circumstance that if there are many they lose children family friends they 414 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.599 lose everything. So, for many it' s like I' m gonna 415 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.799 be here for ten years, that is, how I' m gonna be 416 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.000 having a hard time. The truth is that many even get to have like 417 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.599 that conscience others who are angry with life and then you realize that all the 418 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.720 time they are fighting with the guard with whom the food serves them. I 419 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:47.599 mean, it' s a constant fight, it' s a constant anger, 420 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.480 a constant frustration with themselves with their day to day, but others who 421 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.759 take it in a very different way. Many learn many things in there that 422 00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.880 teach others, that is, it' s a way of me I think 423 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:02.799 how we see it is that even if we' re here, luis, 424 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.920 that is, it' s that even though we' re good, sometimes 425 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:09.440 we' re even fighting the world and there are those who say good already. 426 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:14.679 This is my day today and today we saw it already, then what 427 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.400 happens tomorrow doesn' t matter. I mean, I' m living this 428 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.960 today and I enjoy it today. That is also part of a philosophy that 429 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:28.440 many of them have inside. The conditions of each prison, the conditions in 430 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.519 which they are in wantatar, are now changing greatly. I think it makes 431 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:37.239 them stay a little better, not because I have dedicated myself, since from 432 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:42.039 this not to investigate much, and there are other penitentiaries where in a cell 433 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:46.119 there are fifteen twenty. How you' re not gonna be mad at that 434 00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:51.679 every day, in case a bad her, that is, we' d 435 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.440 all get bad even if we weren' t in prisons like we were being 436 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.159 put in a room and we had to live there twenty- five people. 437 00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.559 Of course you' re going to be wrong in the case I want to. 438 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.760 Well, fortunately, your conditions are different. It wouldn' t be 439 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.199 worth much to recognize. That' s why I was telling you from the 440 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.280 beginning the work that the prison does and that the government does, just with 441 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.519 many other tools that they give people. In the case of women, a 442 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:20.360 little while ago you said well, a decision that can change your life forever 443 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.280 with those three minutes of anger and frustration. And good in the case of 444 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:30.280 women, because many of them get to prison as a result of the couple. 445 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.639 Yeah, a lot of them don' t. That' s another 446 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:38.639 topic. Then just a little while ago, back to your original question about 447 00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:43.159 who' s to blame, because I wouldn' t know how to tell 448 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:44.159 you, I don' t know if it' s your decisions. I 449 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:45.000 don' t know if it' s the environment. I don' t 450 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.679 even know your family. What I can tell you is, maybe it' 451 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:52.400 s a sum of all of me or the opportunity. There are programs of 452 00:35:52.400 --> 00:36:00.119 these alerts at the airport, which you have surely seen when they transport certain 453 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:04.920 substances and obviously hed. Yes, it' s very cannony, because women 454 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.320 seeing opportunity or men and women, but what I mean is that women are 455 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:15.159 deceived. No and then, obviously, it' s a coin that I 456 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.840 saw the other day a case of a woman who had crossed. I don 457 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.599 ' t know for telling you any number, thirty times no, an impressive 458 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.360 number of tables and they stuffed it in thirty- one, I mean, 459 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.239 always, there' s always that risk that it can be the first and 460 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:31.440 there are times that it' s the first and that' s how you 461 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.360 ended up going. The thing is, people like that part of fast money, 462 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:43.159 of comfortable money, of easy money that' s money. I think 463 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.960 it' s more difficult than I can assure you that those people who stole 464 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:54.039 and are there today in this center, because I think a regret must come 465 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.639 to them, because that money went very dear to them. Not good. 466 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.559 There' s in the case of a person who told me and said well, 467 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:07.079 I did a millionaire fraud this and well, I knew that I was 468 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.400 going. I was going to be here for twenty- five years in prison, 469 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.679 but my family is fine. Then I don' t know what I 470 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.880 mean. That' s why I don' t like how to make a 471 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.039 trial or go much deeper into it, because I' ve started thinking about 472 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.440 what would happen if I had been in his or her situation. I don 473 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.519 ' t know if I would have taken it or not. It' s 474 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:35.480 changed your life, changed your perspective on your everyday life a lot. Very 475 00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.039 much because look at a story that also struck me very much. It was 476 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:43.840 that of a woman who is in prison for killing her partner and she told 477 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:47.400 me I did not regret killing him, because I preferred to kill him before 478 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:53.639 he killed my children. So that' s when you say I mean, 479 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:57.800 I can' t judge her, because I don' t know if it 480 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:00.599 ' s r would have done the same thing. And that' s when 481 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.840 they always ask me that question. It' s hard for me to answer, 482 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.719 because the only thing I' ve seen and lived with them is every 483 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:12.480 time they share with me the reason they' re there. I always think 484 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:16.079 I would have done it and I know I have my values super grounded. 485 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:20.840 No, yeah, yeah. I have had the opportunity to study and have 486 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.639 the opportunity to continue learning and meeting people, to build up in many ways, 487 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.280 but if I were her, I don' t know if all that 488 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.480 would be worth defending my children' s life, your spiritual life. How 489 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.760 it has changed, because, obviously, from entering there must be everything that, 490 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.880 obviously, you get used to processes and you know how to dress and 491 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.800 you know what to wear, what not to wear, etcetera. And at 492 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.280 the end of the road, you do it a little bit more automatically. 493 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:54.239 But I imagine that also in a spiritual subject has been touched and it is 494 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:59.119 already in another shared way, because suddenly, to see also the despair, 495 00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:06.280 the loneliness, the frustration, the tenor, the abandonment and also the topic 496 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.039 of leaving. Not to say some, but they want to be inside, 497 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.239 because inside at least they have food, but outside they won' t have 498 00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.119 food. So, yes, it' s a fear of how this spiritual 499 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:21.480 change has been for you Oh, I wouldn' t know how to put 500 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:22.599 it in which words you laugh at to see maybe I' m leaving anyway 501 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:28.679 I explain myself with this. Yeah, when I first arrived after I introduced 502 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.960 the program and it was my first training course, I parked and suddenly said 503 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:42.559 I' m doing here at the time. I finished this and all I 504 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:47.840 did was say God, you just give me the words, that is, 505 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.039 put my mouth on the words they need to hear and for what you brought 506 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:57.440 me here. That' s the best way, the most spiritual thing I 507 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.960 can tell you that it has changed me to understand that always one path leads 508 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:07.159 you to another, always life leads you to another, to something else and 509 00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.599 sometimes we don' t understand why. Why don' t we always be 510 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.159 that why, because over there we' re angry at that situation. But 511 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.599 time goes by and you realize that' s why they start having an answer. 512 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.400 And I believe that in the spiritual part it has been as it is. 513 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.239 I put myself in the hands of God, that is, God is 514 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:30.119 with me, he uses me as a tool to reach them, that is, 515 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.559 I am only a channel And that is how I see it, because 516 00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.159 besides, I can take the course the same course fifteen twenty, twenty times? 517 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:45.360 Fifteen or twenty times and I always say different things that do happen to 518 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:51.800 me, but I always go out like with things that I say where I 519 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.320 get this, and not because I get it out of my sleeve, but 520 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:59.360 I just think they were things they needed, they needed to hear from me 521 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:04.159 then. That' s the most spiritual part I can tell you now I 522 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.960 get out of there and leave that there too I see it in a spiritual 523 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:15.440 way. Why because I come back to my life ok you' ve prayed 524 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.960 for them, you' ve prayed for them. Not really, that is, 525 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.480 I am only in the hands of God. I believe that I would 526 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:29.760 not need to pray for them, but a prayer made action. I don 527 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:35.440 ' t think this is very different. You' re praying accidents and see 528 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.719 that there' s one thing right now I just looked for so I wouldn 529 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:44.000 ' t make a mistake. But just in the Bible, those parks that 530 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:50.480 we are Christocentric, Catholic or Christian, say blessed of my father because I 531 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.480 was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me 532 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.920 drink, I was a stranger and you picked me up, I was naked, 533 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.880 etcetera. I was in jail and you came to visit me. That 534 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:06.679 also speaks of a charity, of a feeling, of detachment on the part. 535 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.360 Yours to say is okay, my life, it' s okay. 536 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:15.199 What I' m doing, you were talking to us, you were in 537 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:16.960 an organization and you left that. For this reason not, and evidently you 538 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:23.719 are a bearer of peace, of bliss. You are a carrier of a 539 00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:29.440 granite connection to the outside world, and that must also be very enriching and 540 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:34.480 very valuable to them. And I think, by name, I know that 541 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.920 many times we don' t thank you as a society, but I do 542 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:42.559 want to tell you in the name of society, thank you for that effort, 543 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.480 for that dedication, for that work, because to the least seen and 544 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:52.800 I can assure you that if either of us found out that the opposite one 545 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.880 was in a center like this we would even walk away for our own safety. 546 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.440 However, this effort you' re making is very commendable and, really 547 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:06.760 thank you for all the dedication as a society. Today, I recognize it 548 00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.920 as excellent work. Thank you, Luis Mira. I' m actually gonna 549 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:15.039 tell you, I mean, actually, for a year. Well we did 550 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.360 it for free because besides, not only do I also want to take advantage 551 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.960 of the space to recognize the work of all the people who accompany me in 552 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:34.119 this process. I also invited human development professionals to join me in this cause, 553 00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:38.320 to share their experience and learning. I mean, well, everyone knows 554 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:46.039 more about them. Then every topic we give is taught by specialists. I 555 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:52.800 told them the other day that if I wanted to take that training that they 556 00:43:52.840 --> 00:44:00.840 receive outside, it would cost me a wool. Of course you tell me 557 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:06.599 that the people who collaborate with me are professionals, super professionals. That is, 558 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.800 the person who gives us, for example, the emotional intelligence workshop is 559 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:17.000 certified, because I do not know how many institutions in this topic of emotional 560 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:22.079 intelligence, that of assertive communication, for example, that gives us that assertive 561 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.480 communication workshop. She is a young woman who also has a master' s 562 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:29.199 degree in Spain, who also worked with young people in prisons in Spain. 563 00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:35.559 I mean, it' s not an impromptu subject, nothing mattered. It 564 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.400 ' s not like I' m holding on to my guy and I' 565 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.880 m telling him, hey, help me give this training. We take the 566 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:45.800 time to choose and select very carefully, because in addition, there is a 567 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.960 person who collaborates very closely with me, who is Gerardo. And Gerardo has 568 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.639 also put all his heart and enthusiasm into this project. He believed in what 569 00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:01.800 I was doing and wanted to join me more frequently. Let' s say 570 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.800 because he helps me plan a lot of things and design a lot of things. 571 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.880 But, I mean, we' re all very careful who we invite, 572 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:16.280 who we choose, because we don' t want to do this as 573 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:19.840 ay Mira. Recognize what we do. I' m not doing it, 574 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.320 we' re doing it and we' re doing it very well, really, 575 00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:29.199 very well, because, besides a program like ours, there' s 576 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.920 no other prison in Mexico, like who I love, like what we' 577 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.239 re doing in Queretaro, nobody has a program like us, that of teenagers. 578 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:42.719 In addition to receiving our training. Luis, they are assigned a mentor 579 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:49.920 ok and the sponsor is also a person of society who voluntarily meets with them 580 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.599 once a month. He' s not a psychologist. He' s a 581 00:45:54.599 --> 00:46:00.880 mentor. It' s someone who gives them a guide because you' re 582 00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.960 going through it can help you how this tool can serve you. Take this 583 00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:07.840 book. He' s not a psychologist. They already receive that professional tension, 584 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:16.000 but we do also invite people in society who are also very committed to 585 00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:22.000 making a significant change with them. Then I also have to admit that these 586 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:28.440 people believed in me, that they believed in my project and that everything they 587 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.199 are doing also in this work with teenagers, is making a contribution, that 588 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.159 is to say it is a contribution, It is a granite of sand that 589 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.440 they are making for this transformation. Working with young people has been even more 590 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.119 important because from them, yes, we can begin to stop the recidivism, 591 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:51.639 we can make them more aware that, since they can change their lives, 592 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:55.639 in addition to all that the system of the integration center for adolescents in the 593 00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:01.119 State also gives them. So, well, nothing else. I want to 594 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:05.360 take the medal. I mean, the truth is, I recognize the work 595 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:12.320 of all trainers, all mentors. For example, I have a person who 596 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.760 is a manager of Va Norte. I' m not gonna reveal his name, 597 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.159 either. Yeah,' cause, well, I don' t know 598 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.679 if he wants to, but he, for example, meets two kids there 599 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.840 at the prison twice a month, who says once a month. Because he 600 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:35.880 also has a life story of indigenous parents, who went ahead, who decided 601 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.159 to pursue a career, who was the first in his family to pursue a 602 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:46.280 university career. Imagine how meaningful it is for these kids to meet someone like 603 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:52.719 that once a month and then he can help them in their transformation process. 604 00:47:53.079 --> 00:48:00.000 I have communicators, I have directors of insurance companies, I have teachers of 605 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.840 him. The TEC of Monterrey, I mean, could take me all day. 606 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:14.800 Appreciating, but this accompaniment for the adolescentres we thought was essential to achieve, 607 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:20.320 therefore, the Christ we are looking for. The compelling question is how 608 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.960 we help, what we can do. I can' t imagine that already 609 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:29.000 several people said listen to me I like I can help. Maybe I' 610 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.679 m not in Queretaro, but I' m in another city or I' 611 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:37.559 m in another country, but I would like to start helping how people who 612 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.760 see us and listen to us put their bit of sand that, obviously, 613 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:49.079 there is a great need and as you said a moment ago, which is 614 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:54.840 truly shocking, no one is exempt from being as old as you are today 615 00:48:54.960 --> 00:49:02.760 may be that out of negligence, a foolishness, an absurdity, a minute 616 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:09.280 of courage, something that happened. Let us have this chaotic experience, but 617 00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.960 I would love to know how we can help, how we can get closer 618 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:16.840 to young people, to adults, to women, to men, how we 619 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:22.559 can do it, because see if suddenly they say hear brenda. I master 620 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:27.920 this subject. I am an expert on this topic and I think I could 621 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:34.880 share with them this tool all is good to come, I mean, we 622 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.320 would also love to add more professionals to this topic, because in addition, 623 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:44.719 we are looking to be able to expand to other prisons and take the work 624 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:45.440 we are doing in Querétaro, taking it also to other states. Then there 625 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.360 ' s gonna be a time where we' re gonna need a lot of 626 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.599 hands, Luis. So you could contact me for me to know that there 627 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:58.199 is such a will and, well, later on you can count on your 628 00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:01.800 support. Not suddenly I want to mentor some of the students, because some 629 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:06.760 of the mentors are not in Queretaro, they are in Mexico City and they 630 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:13.519 connect with them viazu and so they have the session with the chats See what 631 00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:17.199 father, it doesn' t matter, they already have access to technology and 632 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:22.239 otherwise they can have these. Ah, well, look, it' s 633 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.599 wonderful, because then, if you don' t live in Queretaro or don 634 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:27.679 ' t live in Mexico, you live in some other country. If you 635 00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.960 want to support well come closer to Bred Manzano. Remember us for people are 636 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:37.199 appearing there on screen their social networks. But remind us how we can locate 637 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:39.599 you on Instagram and Linkedin. Please, in both networks like Brenda Manzano, 638 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.719 as it is aha and there they can us, because they can contact me 639 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.760 and the way in which they can be added. I don' t have, 640 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:52.039 for example, now, this year, let me just do this horn. 641 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.039 Please, not what I want. For example, this year with teenagers 642 00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:01.679 we are going to give them a barbershop and hairdresser. Yes, I can 643 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:08.320 also point out yes clearly so that they can learn this trade and also, 644 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:14.280 when they get out, they can get to work right away. Not on 645 00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.440 that. And well, this is going to be with the support of a 646 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:22.480 school in Mexico City as well. In addition, they are two young people 647 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:29.239 who created an amazing barber and hairdresser school called Ja lu barber and they joined 648 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.920 us in this project to come from Mexico City to train and certify them. 649 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:40.639 These kids, in addition, came out in shart Tang. But besides, 650 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.519 that' s me, when I approached them and said hey, I need 651 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:49.199 support. I would love for the kids to be able to learn this from 652 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.440 you, because, besides, their story is also very lame and it struck 653 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:57.920 me and they told me clearly that it does count on us then, so 654 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.199 that is to say, suddenly I know something that they can teach you, 655 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.599 because everything is welcome, everything is bivid. Brenda Manzano. I want to 656 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.199 thank you so much. I' m obviously going to invite you to another 657 00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.480 interview because I didn' t ask the questions I wanted to ask you, 658 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.360 not otherwise, also to get to know you more, but I think the 659 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.840 subject is very important. I think it is very worthy to be made aware 660 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.719 of all the effort, the dedication, how we can add, because, 661 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.960 obviously, it is a group of society. It' s society, too. 662 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:31.239 They' re society, too, but here I go with this. 663 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:37.119 Is a society group that is marginalized with guilt or without guilt, with reason 664 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.199 or without reason? A few more, a few minus a few nothings. 665 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.599 But I believe that, as human beings, we have the right to forgiveness, 666 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:51.960 to restitution. And if, obviously, there are crimes that where restitution 667 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:57.159 does not fit because there is no form, there is no way, if 668 00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:01.920 we can also think that we may sin differently And there are times when sins 669 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:06.760 that are hidden secret that no one finds out, that no one sees, 670 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:13.519 are more serious than those who are there. And of course, although it 671 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.079 can' t be legally categorized as criminals. If criminals are secretly lying, 672 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:25.639 hiding, cheating, being disloyal, and that should be considered a crime and 673 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:31.039 they should also be there. So, before we judge, I think we 674 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:36.159 have three little fingers that are pointing at us and the trial. I think 675 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.159 we should take it off, Brenda. Thank you, there, see, 676 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:43.679 thank you. I' d love to. Finally, let' s imagine 677 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.480 you' re going to give us a message. We' ve already been 678 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.800 notified tomorrow morning at ten in the morning, you' re going to give 679 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:52.639 us a message to the whole planet. Earth will be translated into all languages. 680 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:59.000 They have already announced that it will be broadcast on radio, on the 681 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:04.199 Internet, on social networks, on all social networks. What a message you 682 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:08.000 ' d give us. Please, because I think very similar to what you 683 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:13.679 said, that is, before judging the other, we see ourselves in a 684 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:17.239 mirror, before pointing out what the next one is doing, so see how 685 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:23.199 we are acting, how empathetic are we being with the next one? I 686 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:29.039 think that what we lack is a lot of empathy, and it' s 687 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:30.719 not woe' s empathy. I put myself in the shoes of the others, 688 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:32.239 of the other. No. You don' t mean empathy, that 689 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:38.559 is, empathy in every way, that is, from knowing why he acts, 690 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:44.480 how he acts, why he did what he did. That empathy that 691 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:52.079 makes you really add to our society, add to our community before you want 692 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.039 to serve the reflectors. I don' t like that, I mean, 693 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.480 let' s do it quietly. No one ever knew what we were doing 694 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.199 until recently, that well, people already started to know more. But whatever 695 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.159 you do, do it really with will and empathy. I think that would 696 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:13.400 be that message. Anything, anything is more than what you tell a person 697 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:20.480 you have to do with goodwill and empathy. Wow. Thank you very much, 698 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:28.159 thank you for your message. These microphones are open as many times as 699 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:31.000 you want and we' ll join you. There is a group of entrepreneurs 700 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:36.920 too that we are coordinating and also otherwise, we are going to reach out 701 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:38.679 to you and we are going to do interesting things. Everyone loves Luis, 702 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:45.840 or what' s needed is a lot of support and nothing faster. I 703 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:52.599 also really want to thank the directors of the prisons, because thanks also to 704 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.360 them there has been this openness and this fair will that we talked about, 705 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:01.960 a little while ago and this empathy to help and bring the best tools. 706 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:06.840 So, if they hadn' t opened the doors for us, we wouldn 707 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:12.199 ' t be doing what we' re doing either, then that also shows 708 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.679 the quality of people who are in those places, so that, well, 709 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:20.639 we can get to add up the way we want to do it, then 710 00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:25.199 also really infinite thanks to them. It is beautiful and I do not want 711 00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:32.239 to say but also sectors of Government, some secretariats that have also supported this 712 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:37.480 programme so that it can be maintained, sustained and we can continue to do 713 00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.360 and take, as this also involves more and more people. And let these 714 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.920 secretariats be examples, that they are examples not only to want and for other 715 00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:51.480 secretariats of keretaro, or that they are examples copy, copy, the good, 716 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:55.840 but also, because for the federal level, it is not important to 717 00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.480 have this Brenda empathy. Thank you, Blessings, many measured and to all 718 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:06.599 of you thank you for having connected, thank you for sharing, thank you 719 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:12.559 for your comments and in advance I want to tell you in advance thank you, 720 00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:16.039 because I am sure many people will listen to this call and will raise 721 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:21.679 their hand. Thank you in advance and I know that what you are going 722 00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.679 to bring and what you are going to sow you will reap not here, 723 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:30.280 on this planet earth forget about those riches. I assure you that what you 724 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:34.760 always have here will be harvested in heaven. Blessings for all of us see 725 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.000 each other and listen to each other in a next chapter. Thank you, 726 00:57:37.480 --> 00:58:16.320 thank you, Luis Goodbye Naye. So, all good everyone is