Then hello. How welcome and welcome I am Luis Miguel Salgado, welcome.
This is what a good question and I am very happy today, as I
am accompanied by an exceptional woman, truly spectacular, for everything she does,
for everything she has done, for everything I have studied, but especially for
everything she is. For me it is a pleasure and privilege, brenda brenda
Manzano, welcome, how you are. All right. Thank you very much,
very excited to Luis, really very much for this invitation. I'
m very, very glad you' re with us and let me introduce Brinda
Manzano to you as she deserves. She is the director of the Civil Organization
Preparation for Professional Freedom for more than twenty years in areas of strategic importance in
human resources and human and organizational development of the Preparation for Freedom Program. It
is an organization that collaborates with the prisons to support them in the network Help
me please, resocialization. I don' t know why that one brings me,
what a terrible thing it is, obviously, to reintegrate them back into
society in such a good way. This is for men, women and adolescents
who are under pressure concerned about the difficulties faced by those who have been deprived
of their liberty. By wanting to be reintegrated into society, it empowers people
by providing them with skills and tools that enable them to improve their quality of
life by fostering work, values, effort and resilience. It is not all
an act of social responsibility, but it is also a strategy to build a
more positive future for society as a whole. Brenda, by offering educational opportunities,
is investing the possibility of transforming staff and in building a safer and fairer
Community. If it' s okay with you, as I tell you,
we always start to apologize, because tongue- tucking, but part of the
magic we start or brenda trail Manzano is with us on what good question.
The truth is that I am very happy my dear Brenda and good to begin
with, and before you put words harder to produce, I want to ask
you something. This is the question I always ask all my guests. Beyond
what you studied, beyond what you' ve worked beyond everything. Tell us,
please, who' s brende apple. Well, I could define myself
at this point in my life Luis, as a much more conscious person,
in the emotional part, in the spiritual part, in the part as a
mother, also as a professionalist. So, I think today I' m
at a stage where I define myself with all those nuances let' s say
from all my life experiences. And, well, I think that has also
led me today to have a social conscience and that just took me to where
I am now. And well, it seemed incredible, but at almost forty
- nine years old, I think that now, because I have already found
my sense of life with this work that I am doing today. So,
well, that' s how you could define me. Today you give me
a lot, a lot, a lot of tools to ask you and,
before anything else, I would love to know why to be aware of where
consciousness comes from, why this fact of saying now I have a different consciousness,
that something significant has happened in your life, that marked in a different
way, a before and a after. This consciousness came by spontaneous generation or,
suddenly, over the years, also helped you say" honey".
I think the road is this way ay, because I think she' s
a sumana in a lot of things. No, but, well, mainly
I think you' re aware of why you' re here today, why
did he bring you life to this? Why did you have to live all
that you have lived so that just, then, all those pieces, like
you' re putting them together and you' re rebuilding them, and today
I' m more aware of that, of who I am, of all
that I' ve learned, of all my experiences, good bad ones that
have built me up. Finally, then I think that' s why I
' m more conscious. Besides, I' m going to tell you,
I mean, it sounds amazing, but the work I do today and with
the people I collaborate with today and the people I help with today, so
to speak, have also made me very aware of my present of why we
are here in life. So I think that' s more like that,
I mean, I' m more open today. Let' s say experiences,
learning, that is, I think that' s why I have and
more awareness of who I am about how I' ve built up. That
' s right, how I see it, how you came to help these
young people or these adults. How did you get on this show? Because,
obviously, the question would be why you didn' t go. I
don' t know accountant, actress, singer, how I know you don
' t at last have it. Yeah, I wanted to be hey,
I wanted to model, ah life very well. I mean, I didn
' t even take classes to become a professional model. But, well,
my mom, you know in those times of good, those places pervert you
and well, you know what, and well she did me for your deals.
But this good one, because what I can tell you is that life
alone brought me. It' s not something I looked for or what I
can tell you is that today I have that awareness that I liked all my
life how to help that, yes, that is, all my life.
I think I had that feeling of doing something else for others and today I
have that conscience. Finally, why did you bring this to me here?
But the truth I can tell you that it was a coincidence or good or
good departures say experiences, but it was so in a way that I never
imagined, because, well, I was at a stage completely in my professional
life, as you said right at the beginning. Well, I' ve
been working on all the issues of human resources, training, recruitment, etcetera.
Everything that has to do with staff in an organization. I was working
at the time for an organization, well, I had a partner with whom
Beno collaborated in our aspects. And just being in that job. Suddenly I
get the invitation, we sign up you know Carna Cintra so you can promote
your services, etcetera. Suddenly, well, I have the great fortune to
meet a person who was at the time, as Chairman of the Human Development
Commission in Canacintra and well, he has personal issues to leave the post and
invites me to replace him, to replace him in that position. So that
' s how good it is. I start working with Canas. He enters
this Human Development Commission and one day I am invited to the presentation at a
breakfast where the penitentiary system publicly launches an application for the just people who are
already close to obtaining their freedom so that through that application. Well, then,
have different tools that allow you, just like this topic of reintegrating into
society. And, well, at that breakfast I hear everything you' re
doing, everything that, besides, well, I find fantastic, everything that
the penitentiary system does in Querétaro. It' s wonderful all the work you
' ve been doing. And, I mean, all of a sudden I
said as much as i wou I mean, the truth is, you also
realize that it' s a section of the population where we never go back
to see, that is, they' re part of us, they'
re part of our society, but we didn' t turn them around and
I was one of those. Not then, well, that' s when
I know everything I tell you they' re doing and all of a sudden,
well, I get out of breakfast. Well, before breakfast is over,
I get close, I meet the then director of the social reintegration area
and well I said hey, I think there' s some way that we,
as the Human Development Commission and the Kanasn trate, can help and we
can add to what you are doing. Well, that' s where Luis
was. I mean, I' ve already gone home, you know,
and at night it' s the truth, it' s better to think
a lot and I said how it' s possible, because these people do
get support, but no one turns to see them. No, I mean,
you realize today. Also, today I realize even more that there are
a thousand programs, you know, that is, to help children from orphanages
or almost home or nursing homes for older people for people with disabilities. But
I said and where there are programs that support people who after ten, fifteen,
five or three years suddenly have to go back to society, that is
where they are. No. And also, I am devoting myself to human
resources, because I also realize that we, even as a society, were
also very relegated to them, because, moreover, every time you hire a
person for a job and recruit him because you ask for the letter to non
- criminal ancestors. And it was right there that I said good and what
about all of them, I mean, how it' s going to get
to a person who tried to get back to work and gets stuck with this
issue of the Charter of Decent Non- Workers, how it' s going
to do it no. And then there was one you don' t know
I mean, my head was fluttering and so I stayed for several days until
I don' t know if I got the inspiration the l but well,
suddenly I decided to set up a program, design a training program. I
start to investigate, obviously, the conditions of people in prison, not just
in Querétaro, but obviously throughout the country. And good is that they are
born inspiration to create a program for them. Hey, right now, listening
to you, obviously, there are questions that arise in the air and that
it' s important to land them. One of them is assumed and this
is an assumption. My grandmother said never suppose, son, because the expulsions
of the no. But the important point here is that in most of the
population, in a prison, they are supposed to be those who did,
committed a crime and otherwise are there for a specific reason. I say we
assume, because I also imagine that there must be scandalous cases in which the
person may have stolen a piece of bread and that' s why a little
gang is there. And that' s why this is there. And how,
obviously, our judicial system is not optimal, no, but that person
who committed a crime, how can you detect. Evidently, he' s
already serving his sentence, turned x. Apparently, he understood the lesson and
how you work with this means of containment, that is, he has some
data if any of these young people came out and went back to crime and
had to return. Or if everyone who comes out already comes back to us.
There are some metrics that you have and practice a little bit on this
program to know, because, obviously, what you say is true. They
ask you for a criminal record paper and those of us who don' t
have it all of a sudden are not offended, no, but we feel
something. Listen how it' s possible for me to say what I look
like a criminal or what' s unclear, but it' s obviously a
very important thing. It is not a security for the company and for the
heritage of both the company and the human resource, which are valuable. Some
metrics something like that. What tools you provide. Tell us a little bit
more about the program. Well, look, this one I' m gonna
answer how I' ve answered a lot of people this question. Yeah,
and I don' t know what they did. Okay, I feel good.
I don' t feel good. I share with them my knowledge and
experience. Yes, with Juan, with Roberto, with José, with Daniela,
with whatever name you like or not, with the criminal, not with
the killer, with which robot, with the human being, not with the
exact human being. Then, of course, there is a lot of data.
You can find out well through online surveys, for example, with all
the prisons in the country, where you can find data on the recidivism of
these people. Yes, of course it is information that, over time,
they share us alone, but I do not arrive and ask them further,
I never prepared for this as such. I don' t know if I
' m going to understand myself or be clear, they' re going to
work with a group, with this section of the population. I explain yes,
yes, I am prepared on the subject of formation and human development.
Those are my boards. Of course, then, I' ve always seen
it this way not and I feel with people, with people I don'
t know if they' re going to change or not because of what I
do, but the intention is made clear, that we share knowledge with them
and each one decides whether or not to apply it. But I cannot guarantee
that, through what we do, then crime will either not exist or will
end or there will no longer be recidivism. That doesn' t depend on
me anymore, but I do think sharing with them this information that, besides,
we' re usually not used to taking even in school, nor the
confutation about the emotional intelligence that right now is going to talk to you,
that is, what it consists of as such a program. But we are
giving you a tool that I hope can serve, or I, putting that
intention to you, you know that they serve you. That' s why
I hope that then, because it' s magic, it happens or not.
I don' t want to talk politics. I don' t want
to talk about legal issues, because it' s getting into a field where
we' d miss the opportunity to talk directly to you. But what I
do mean is that, of course, this Charter is a stigma. That
Charter is nails in a coffin that then, if these people' s doors
begin to close, they obviously have no other way to recidivate, that is,
to go back to doing this. And then, the truth is deplorable
And away from that, when you don' t have tools, you can
say, when you don' t have tools even for life, to be
able to study, to be able to work, how you' re going
to do it as much as you want And more in this world that is
super competing, that is full of selfishness, that is full of petulancy,
of friends. No And then, well, we have cases of MPs,
mediocre senators who obviously didn' t, well, didn' t even run
the primary. I guess here the important point is this how they embrace this
program and how you distinguish your change. You see this subject of interest.
You see this topic and I imagine it was also first, how you distinguish
the changes and, second, also ask yourself. I imagine you' re
going to take on a positive satisfaction and experiences, also incredible of the human
being. No, yeah, no, no, you don' t know
what we do. Look. I' m going to tell you how we
' ve measured the impact of what we' re doing today, because,
besides, let me tell you that this is a program that we started at
two thousand twenty- two OK and well, because it was taken into account,
so not between tests and error, so to speak a little, but
we also realized. We made certain tools available to them, but along the
way we realized that they had other needs. And I' m going to
give you an example, that is, our tayer program is about emotional intelligence,
neurolinguistic programming. We talk about family systems with them, we talk about
the re- signification of values, of strengthening, values, that is,
it is all this edification. As a human being you know then along the
way we realized that suddenly we met people where we said it is important to
work with them tolerance to frustration, for example. So we integrated that photography
tolerance workshop. We have a workshop called a life plan. So, well,
we have several tools right there to help you in that sense. What
happened to our program was aimed at those people who were close to obtaining their
freedom in the next four six months or so, that is to say already
in that period, because our program lasts more than three months of training,
or with young people is more, but with adults. So and adult women.
Well, the program is a little shorter. So it' s three
months every Saturday we go with them. We trained them for four hours of
training. In total, it' s 36 hours, but for teenagers we
have a program of seventy- two hours. That' s where we did
it I' m telling you, for example, that modification. So what
was going on with our group, it was for nearby people to get their
freedom after the first three months. What happened, Luis? Suddenly people came
and told us to listen, I' m not going out yet, I
mean I' m going out still in four years or three years, but
my cella partner is taking this training and already talked to me and I want
to take it. Okay, or I' ve seen it work out for
you. And then there came another one that said hey. I' m
in the carpentry workshop with my colleagues and they' re taking the workshop too
and I want to take it. That' s how we were measuring the
impact we were having with this training. That' s what happened. So
I can tell you that then we realized that it was something that was working,
that people were moving something because besides, among them they already shared it.
You know. Then we told them no matter what you could come here
and be as many times as you need it. And we had the case
of two people or three people more or less who finished the workshop and after
three months they returned with us. Okay, as you hear, you already
took it, no yes, but I want to keep taking it, because
I' m always finding new things or learning it, so good. This
is the way we were or have been measuring, for example, because the
impact this training is having. We worked only with men and women. First
we worked with the Varonil Prison in Querer for a year and our second year
we were already working in San Juan del Río Jalpan and with the women,
that is, we were already attending the four prisons. Suddenly, at a
meeting, the director of the juvenile correctional facility, who was a group that
we were not attending to, approached us and told us what they are doing.
I want you to come work with the chaus and we said well,
because we don' t have the resources. True we can talk about that
part, but well, he told us. I want you to know what
we' re doing here with teenagers. We also met everything they do,
all the tools they provide and made some adjustments to start working with teenagers.
So since September last year we' ve been working with that group as well.
So many congratulations. What must go of young people, young people have
a totally, radically different synergy and more of the young people of now platicans.
How come, in one other way, I tell them that I have
a lot of questions stuck. The first of them that I want to make
you is really whose fault it is that these young people are there, whose
fault is that those adults, that those men and that those women are there?
From society, from the family, from companies. It is a shared
social responsibility and talking about culpability is also very subjective, no, but that
is to say, there must be such triggers for someone to commit some crime.
And, obviously, it' s a set of things, but I
' d like to hear it from your own lips to know if this is
the question that' s on the way. There' s some quicker,
closer solution. There will be some ingredient that, if we put it or
remove it, helps adults, young people to sling less. It' s
just that it' s very difficult to answer because responsibility, because I could
say it' s everyone' s. Not what I can tell you that
we have learned or well we have understood that, for example, in the
case of adolescents, before being victimizers, they were victims of the vast majority
of events, then victims of the family, victims of society, victims of
friends, victims of the lack of opportunities. I mean, I can'
t tell you that justifies it, because I told my friend. I don
' t justify the fact that I say that I don' t care about
the crime they committed and that, that' s why I work with them.
It doesn' t mean that I justify what they did for more.
However, understanding how this context, as you ask me, I could tell
you that in my experience, since before the great majority of them were victims,
especially when we talked with them suddenly we met adults who have repeated their
crimes many times, that is, we met a man who had repeated his
crimes fifteen times, that is, had already stepped on the prison fifteen times.
I think there too, well, it' s already his responsibility,
I mean, you don' t want to do things differently. Then in
society you can put the resources of a company, it can open the doors,
but you have already decided that your life has already been like this.
I don' t know if I mean that. Yes, it was your
choice. Yeah, yeah, totally, but you know what. And here
I want to interrupt you. I want to invite everyone who' s watching
us to listen to us. I want to invite you to Brinda. I
don' t know if you' ve already seen it, it must be
on YouTube. I' m going to get it and if I don'
t put it in the link below the interview I have with a prison brinda.
It says the fifteen most dangerous prisons in the world and appears in number
fifteen. One thing like that, a prison in Norway, where there are
no prison doors, that is, there are no cells, there are no
doors. I think there are fifty prisoners, no, and I think there
are five guards, so that the dog comes out, they don' t
have doors. Why, because they attack a lot from culture since they are
born, and it is a culture that permeates in all aspects. Of course,
we are talking to a Parisian like Norway, who also has a different
culture, a different way of thinking, and so on. But there must
be some key out there where we haven' t given him yet, like
Mexico. No, the rich are richer, the poor are poorer, and
I think that' s where many problems go. I want to ask you
about your medals, those satisfactions that work on what you do, because you
see the passion, you see the dedication. But talk to us, this
satisfaction you' ve found some person outside They' ve gone to thank you
in another way. Suddenly, the gicyshs who are already working, are already
producing, and their family reunited something. So, look, I' m
gonna tell you the story that I' m not gonna reveal his name,
but, well, he came out. For example, he is an industrial
engineer, or with him it was a great experience for me. Also,
I mean, they have also contributed me as you have no idea, that
is, very, very much, and, well, this is the story
of a boy industrial engineer, thirty- two years or so thirty- three
years, that one day leaving work, he came very tired, very stressed,
he was driving, he comes fighting with the driver next door and he
loses, that is, he loses his temper. He' s getting his
car blown up and this car goes to the ravine and one of the two
people who came in the car dies. So, well, that' s
why then he goes to prison for five years. When I met him,
at first he was in the workshops and only observed not quiet, he said
nothing like me. I think about a month or so from what we were
already training him, he comes up with me and he tells me I hope
someday when I' m out that it' s too soon that I'
m going out, I mean, I' m six months away. I
' m gonna sit down and talk to you,' cause I think this
thing you guys are doing is very important. I mean, it' s
really very significant. And, well, obviously he knew a lot of people
they lived with. There is next door and he said that besides, I
realize how people who have taken training with me also have a different attitude are
seeing different things. And, well, he gets out of prison and finds
himself right on this subject that because of the non- criminal antecedent letter,
you can' t re- contract to work in an organization already to continue
exercising your profession as an industrial engineer. And he' s just looking for
me He' s looking for me when he comes out and says,"
Well, I' m out, I' m going to start looking for
a job" But, well, I don' t think I' ll
be able to go back to what I was doing. The only thing I
want to share with you is that no one. The only thing that'
s one of the things I learned is that no one in this life,
no one is who we are, we' re exempt from stepping on the
peso. Nobody. For me, that was something that even I didn'
t have. Or I don' t know if I explain, Luis,
you don' t even think about it, he explained to me, I
mean, you take it for granted that you' re never gonna step on
that place, because I' m not a criminal. I mean, I
don' t steal, I don' t hurt, I don' t
kill, I' m not a murderer, no, but he, in
that situation he faced and the bad decision he made, led him to be
in prison for five years. Time goes on. I keep in touch with
him and one day he tells me well what you think I haven' t
definitely found in my area. And now I have to work at the centre
of reason, because no one gives me clear work. Then what I saw
in him was also a lot of frustration. Luis you know why I must
be made for more and not because obviously, I denigrate no one' s
work. Absolutely. He said good. I can' t win what I
' m used to, but it' s more. If for a professional
person who hasn' t stepped on the prison it was a terrible frustration not
finding the job. Now imagine a person limited in that capacity. It must
be awful. Of course and besides, what he was saying to me is
now I understand, because many times, that is, many people return to
prison because they already spoke to their friend clearly to ask him to shake hands
with them and he referred him again to another criminal. So it' s
a mean, it becomes a virtuous circle. I' m what it'
s like to call. Then I get out of there, but I don
' t get out. I don' t know if you see him.
Yeah, I' m totally out, but I do follow you in songs
really, I mean, I can move, but I' m still jailed
for why, because of the stigma I have now. Obviously, this is
a regrettable, deplorable case, because, because one person was at stake how
important the decisins are. What you just said three minutes of courage can lead
you to a situation of consequences that nobody wants. Now I would love to
know in this case how we can help as a society, how we can
help, if you say hear, because I got hooked on this. I
want to help. I have to tell you that at some point in my
life, when I was younger, I had a hair like your leather.
I don' t change for the fence like that, but I' m
already a model then, but I' ve also been going with young people
there in Mexico City, to one of the San Fernando centers and what experience.
Suddenly they told me things that I always kept with a line of believing
or not believing the story, because, obviously, because many stories are invented
and are with data that they are not. But suddenly they told me some
stories and said I can' t believe it. No, and on some
occasion I have to tell you that I play the guitar and then I took
to the guitar because I remember that I was going with an evangelisation group and
where you put me to a group I don' t close the door with
ten interns, I with the guitar, you don' t know what and
I played and nobody peeled me and they made me faces until I left the
guitar and I started talking to him already as they talk to each other.
And it was a cathartic experience for me because I said how it is possible
that these boys, in the conditions in which they are, with what they
eat, with what little they recreate with it is to live in the same
space in deplorable conditions. Suddenly they have more joy than one who is outside,
They have more illusions than one who has everyone at their feet and that
we still have the usability of fighting and arguing and getting into broncas that do
not correspond to us or in risks that do not correspond to us. Yeah,
well, look, I mean, I' ve never been in that
situation, but I can talk to you through their eyes, that is,
through what they tell me, that is, a lot of people get there
because of the circumstance that if there are many they lose children family friends they
lose everything. So, for many it' s like I' m gonna
be here for ten years, that is, how I' m gonna be
having a hard time. The truth is that many even get to have like
that conscience others who are angry with life and then you realize that all the
time they are fighting with the guard with whom the food serves them. I
mean, it' s a constant fight, it' s a constant anger,
a constant frustration with themselves with their day to day, but others who
take it in a very different way. Many learn many things in there that
teach others, that is, it' s a way of me I think
how we see it is that even if we' re here, luis,
that is, it' s that even though we' re good, sometimes
we' re even fighting the world and there are those who say good already.
This is my day today and today we saw it already, then what
happens tomorrow doesn' t matter. I mean, I' m living this
today and I enjoy it today. That is also part of a philosophy that
many of them have inside. The conditions of each prison, the conditions in
which they are in wantatar, are now changing greatly. I think it makes
them stay a little better, not because I have dedicated myself, since from
this not to investigate much, and there are other penitentiaries where in a cell
there are fifteen twenty. How you' re not gonna be mad at that
every day, in case a bad her, that is, we' d
all get bad even if we weren' t in prisons like we were being
put in a room and we had to live there twenty- five people.
Of course you' re going to be wrong in the case I want to.
Well, fortunately, your conditions are different. It wouldn' t be
worth much to recognize. That' s why I was telling you from the
beginning the work that the prison does and that the government does, just with
many other tools that they give people. In the case of women, a
little while ago you said well, a decision that can change your life forever
with those three minutes of anger and frustration. And good in the case of
women, because many of them get to prison as a result of the couple.
Yeah, a lot of them don' t. That' s another
topic. Then just a little while ago, back to your original question about
who' s to blame, because I wouldn' t know how to tell
you, I don' t know if it' s your decisions. I
don' t know if it' s the environment. I don' t
even know your family. What I can tell you is, maybe it'
s a sum of all of me or the opportunity. There are programs of
these alerts at the airport, which you have surely seen when they transport certain
substances and obviously hed. Yes, it' s very cannony, because women
seeing opportunity or men and women, but what I mean is that women are
deceived. No and then, obviously, it' s a coin that I
saw the other day a case of a woman who had crossed. I don
' t know for telling you any number, thirty times no, an impressive
number of tables and they stuffed it in thirty- one, I mean,
always, there' s always that risk that it can be the first and
there are times that it' s the first and that' s how you
ended up going. The thing is, people like that part of fast money,
of comfortable money, of easy money that' s money. I think
it' s more difficult than I can assure you that those people who stole
and are there today in this center, because I think a regret must come
to them, because that money went very dear to them. Not good.
There' s in the case of a person who told me and said well,
I did a millionaire fraud this and well, I knew that I was
going. I was going to be here for twenty- five years in prison,
but my family is fine. Then I don' t know what I
mean. That' s why I don' t like how to make a
trial or go much deeper into it, because I' ve started thinking about
what would happen if I had been in his or her situation. I don
' t know if I would have taken it or not. It' s
changed your life, changed your perspective on your everyday life a lot. Very
much because look at a story that also struck me very much. It was
that of a woman who is in prison for killing her partner and she told
me I did not regret killing him, because I preferred to kill him before
he killed my children. So that' s when you say I mean,
I can' t judge her, because I don' t know if it
' s r would have done the same thing. And that' s when
they always ask me that question. It' s hard for me to answer,
because the only thing I' ve seen and lived with them is every
time they share with me the reason they' re there. I always think
I would have done it and I know I have my values super grounded.
No, yeah, yeah. I have had the opportunity to study and have
the opportunity to continue learning and meeting people, to build up in many ways,
but if I were her, I don' t know if all that
would be worth defending my children' s life, your spiritual life. How
it has changed, because, obviously, from entering there must be everything that,
obviously, you get used to processes and you know how to dress and
you know what to wear, what not to wear, etcetera. And at
the end of the road, you do it a little bit more automatically.
But I imagine that also in a spiritual subject has been touched and it is
already in another shared way, because suddenly, to see also the despair,
the loneliness, the frustration, the tenor, the abandonment and also the topic
of leaving. Not to say some, but they want to be inside,
because inside at least they have food, but outside they won' t have
food. So, yes, it' s a fear of how this spiritual
change has been for you Oh, I wouldn' t know how to put
it in which words you laugh at to see maybe I' m leaving anyway
I explain myself with this. Yeah, when I first arrived after I introduced
the program and it was my first training course, I parked and suddenly said
I' m doing here at the time. I finished this and all I
did was say God, you just give me the words, that is,
put my mouth on the words they need to hear and for what you brought
me here. That' s the best way, the most spiritual thing I
can tell you that it has changed me to understand that always one path leads
you to another, always life leads you to another, to something else and
sometimes we don' t understand why. Why don' t we always be
that why, because over there we' re angry at that situation. But
time goes by and you realize that' s why they start having an answer.
And I believe that in the spiritual part it has been as it is.
I put myself in the hands of God, that is, God is
with me, he uses me as a tool to reach them, that is,
I am only a channel And that is how I see it, because
besides, I can take the course the same course fifteen twenty, twenty times?
Fifteen or twenty times and I always say different things that do happen to
me, but I always go out like with things that I say where I
get this, and not because I get it out of my sleeve, but
I just think they were things they needed, they needed to hear from me
then. That' s the most spiritual part I can tell you now I
get out of there and leave that there too I see it in a spiritual
way. Why because I come back to my life ok you' ve prayed
for them, you' ve prayed for them. Not really, that is,
I am only in the hands of God. I believe that I would
not need to pray for them, but a prayer made action. I don
' t think this is very different. You' re praying accidents and see
that there' s one thing right now I just looked for so I wouldn
' t make a mistake. But just in the Bible, those parks that
we are Christocentric, Catholic or Christian, say blessed of my father because I
was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me
drink, I was a stranger and you picked me up, I was naked,
etcetera. I was in jail and you came to visit me. That
also speaks of a charity, of a feeling, of detachment on the part.
Yours to say is okay, my life, it' s okay.
What I' m doing, you were talking to us, you were in
an organization and you left that. For this reason not, and evidently you
are a bearer of peace, of bliss. You are a carrier of a
granite connection to the outside world, and that must also be very enriching and
very valuable to them. And I think, by name, I know that
many times we don' t thank you as a society, but I do
want to tell you in the name of society, thank you for that effort,
for that dedication, for that work, because to the least seen and
I can assure you that if either of us found out that the opposite one
was in a center like this we would even walk away for our own safety.
However, this effort you' re making is very commendable and, really
thank you for all the dedication as a society. Today, I recognize it
as excellent work. Thank you, Luis Mira. I' m actually gonna
tell you, I mean, actually, for a year. Well we did
it for free because besides, not only do I also want to take advantage
of the space to recognize the work of all the people who accompany me in
this process. I also invited human development professionals to join me in this cause,
to share their experience and learning. I mean, well, everyone knows
more about them. Then every topic we give is taught by specialists. I
told them the other day that if I wanted to take that training that they
receive outside, it would cost me a wool. Of course you tell me
that the people who collaborate with me are professionals, super professionals. That is,
the person who gives us, for example, the emotional intelligence workshop is
certified, because I do not know how many institutions in this topic of emotional
intelligence, that of assertive communication, for example, that gives us that assertive
communication workshop. She is a young woman who also has a master' s
degree in Spain, who also worked with young people in prisons in Spain.
I mean, it' s not an impromptu subject, nothing mattered. It
' s not like I' m holding on to my guy and I'
m telling him, hey, help me give this training. We take the
time to choose and select very carefully, because in addition, there is a
person who collaborates very closely with me, who is Gerardo. And Gerardo has
also put all his heart and enthusiasm into this project. He believed in what
I was doing and wanted to join me more frequently. Let' s say
because he helps me plan a lot of things and design a lot of things.
But, I mean, we' re all very careful who we invite,
who we choose, because we don' t want to do this as
ay Mira. Recognize what we do. I' m not doing it,
we' re doing it and we' re doing it very well, really,
very well, because, besides a program like ours, there' s
no other prison in Mexico, like who I love, like what we'
re doing in Queretaro, nobody has a program like us, that of teenagers.
In addition to receiving our training. Luis, they are assigned a mentor
ok and the sponsor is also a person of society who voluntarily meets with them
once a month. He' s not a psychologist. He' s a
mentor. It' s someone who gives them a guide because you' re
going through it can help you how this tool can serve you. Take this
book. He' s not a psychologist. They already receive that professional tension,
but we do also invite people in society who are also very committed to
making a significant change with them. Then I also have to admit that these
people believed in me, that they believed in my project and that everything they
are doing also in this work with teenagers, is making a contribution, that
is to say it is a contribution, It is a granite of sand that
they are making for this transformation. Working with young people has been even more
important because from them, yes, we can begin to stop the recidivism,
we can make them more aware that, since they can change their lives,
in addition to all that the system of the integration center for adolescents in the
State also gives them. So, well, nothing else. I want to
take the medal. I mean, the truth is, I recognize the work
of all trainers, all mentors. For example, I have a person who
is a manager of Va Norte. I' m not gonna reveal his name,
either. Yeah,' cause, well, I don' t know
if he wants to, but he, for example, meets two kids there
at the prison twice a month, who says once a month. Because he
also has a life story of indigenous parents, who went ahead, who decided
to pursue a career, who was the first in his family to pursue a
university career. Imagine how meaningful it is for these kids to meet someone like
that once a month and then he can help them in their transformation process.
I have communicators, I have directors of insurance companies, I have teachers of
him. The TEC of Monterrey, I mean, could take me all day.
Appreciating, but this accompaniment for the adolescentres we thought was essential to achieve,
therefore, the Christ we are looking for. The compelling question is how
we help, what we can do. I can' t imagine that already
several people said listen to me I like I can help. Maybe I'
m not in Queretaro, but I' m in another city or I'
m in another country, but I would like to start helping how people who
see us and listen to us put their bit of sand that, obviously,
there is a great need and as you said a moment ago, which is
truly shocking, no one is exempt from being as old as you are today
may be that out of negligence, a foolishness, an absurdity, a minute
of courage, something that happened. Let us have this chaotic experience, but
I would love to know how we can help, how we can get closer
to young people, to adults, to women, to men, how we
can do it, because see if suddenly they say hear brenda. I master
this subject. I am an expert on this topic and I think I could
share with them this tool all is good to come, I mean, we
would also love to add more professionals to this topic, because in addition,
we are looking to be able to expand to other prisons and take the work
we are doing in Querétaro, taking it also to other states. Then there
' s gonna be a time where we' re gonna need a lot of
hands, Luis. So you could contact me for me to know that there
is such a will and, well, later on you can count on your
support. Not suddenly I want to mentor some of the students, because some
of the mentors are not in Queretaro, they are in Mexico City and they
connect with them viazu and so they have the session with the chats See what
father, it doesn' t matter, they already have access to technology and
otherwise they can have these. Ah, well, look, it' s
wonderful, because then, if you don' t live in Queretaro or don
' t live in Mexico, you live in some other country. If you
want to support well come closer to Bred Manzano. Remember us for people are
appearing there on screen their social networks. But remind us how we can locate
you on Instagram and Linkedin. Please, in both networks like Brenda Manzano,
as it is aha and there they can us, because they can contact me
and the way in which they can be added. I don' t have,
for example, now, this year, let me just do this horn.
Please, not what I want. For example, this year with teenagers
we are going to give them a barbershop and hairdresser. Yes, I can
also point out yes clearly so that they can learn this trade and also,
when they get out, they can get to work right away. Not on
that. And well, this is going to be with the support of a
school in Mexico City as well. In addition, they are two young people
who created an amazing barber and hairdresser school called Ja lu barber and they joined
us in this project to come from Mexico City to train and certify them.
These kids, in addition, came out in shart Tang. But besides,
that' s me, when I approached them and said hey, I need
support. I would love for the kids to be able to learn this from
you, because, besides, their story is also very lame and it struck
me and they told me clearly that it does count on us then, so
that is to say, suddenly I know something that they can teach you,
because everything is welcome, everything is bivid. Brenda Manzano. I want to
thank you so much. I' m obviously going to invite you to another
interview because I didn' t ask the questions I wanted to ask you,
not otherwise, also to get to know you more, but I think the
subject is very important. I think it is very worthy to be made aware
of all the effort, the dedication, how we can add, because,
obviously, it is a group of society. It' s society, too.
They' re society, too, but here I go with this.
Is a society group that is marginalized with guilt or without guilt, with reason
or without reason? A few more, a few minus a few nothings.
But I believe that, as human beings, we have the right to forgiveness,
to restitution. And if, obviously, there are crimes that where restitution
does not fit because there is no form, there is no way, if
we can also think that we may sin differently And there are times when sins
that are hidden secret that no one finds out, that no one sees,
are more serious than those who are there. And of course, although it
can' t be legally categorized as criminals. If criminals are secretly lying,
hiding, cheating, being disloyal, and that should be considered a crime and
they should also be there. So, before we judge, I think we
have three little fingers that are pointing at us and the trial. I think
we should take it off, Brenda. Thank you, there, see,
thank you. I' d love to. Finally, let' s imagine
you' re going to give us a message. We' ve already been
notified tomorrow morning at ten in the morning, you' re going to give
us a message to the whole planet. Earth will be translated into all languages.
They have already announced that it will be broadcast on radio, on the
Internet, on social networks, on all social networks. What a message you
' d give us. Please, because I think very similar to what you
said, that is, before judging the other, we see ourselves in a
mirror, before pointing out what the next one is doing, so see how
we are acting, how empathetic are we being with the next one? I
think that what we lack is a lot of empathy, and it' s
not woe' s empathy. I put myself in the shoes of the others,
of the other. No. You don' t mean empathy, that
is, empathy in every way, that is, from knowing why he acts,
how he acts, why he did what he did. That empathy that
makes you really add to our society, add to our community before you want
to serve the reflectors. I don' t like that, I mean,
let' s do it quietly. No one ever knew what we were doing
until recently, that well, people already started to know more. But whatever
you do, do it really with will and empathy. I think that would
be that message. Anything, anything is more than what you tell a person
you have to do with goodwill and empathy. Wow. Thank you very much,
thank you for your message. These microphones are open as many times as
you want and we' ll join you. There is a group of entrepreneurs
too that we are coordinating and also otherwise, we are going to reach out
to you and we are going to do interesting things. Everyone loves Luis,
or what' s needed is a lot of support and nothing faster. I
also really want to thank the directors of the prisons, because thanks also to
them there has been this openness and this fair will that we talked about,
a little while ago and this empathy to help and bring the best tools.
So, if they hadn' t opened the doors for us, we wouldn
' t be doing what we' re doing either, then that also shows
the quality of people who are in those places, so that, well,
we can get to add up the way we want to do it, then
also really infinite thanks to them. It is beautiful and I do not want
to say but also sectors of Government, some secretariats that have also supported this
programme so that it can be maintained, sustained and we can continue to do
and take, as this also involves more and more people. And let these
secretariats be examples, that they are examples not only to want and for other
secretariats of keretaro, or that they are examples copy, copy, the good,
but also, because for the federal level, it is not important to
have this Brenda empathy. Thank you, Blessings, many measured and to all
of you thank you for having connected, thank you for sharing, thank you
for your comments and in advance I want to tell you in advance thank you,
because I am sure many people will listen to this call and will raise
their hand. Thank you in advance and I know that what you are going
to bring and what you are going to sow you will reap not here,
on this planet earth forget about those riches. I assure you that what you
always have here will be harvested in heaven. Blessings for all of us see
each other and listen to each other in a next chapter. Thank you,
thank you, Luis Goodbye Naye. So, all good everyone is