1 00:01:26,439 --> 00:01:30,760 If you listen to last week's show, you heard our guest Keith Brooks talk 2 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:34,159 about the nightmarish dog man encounter you had while he was digging a KEIV as 3 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:37,560 a kid. While on that show, I asked him several questions, but 4 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,879 there are several more I wanted to ask that I didn't have time to ask 5 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,359 him with that in mind, to ask him about coming back on to answer 6 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,519 those questions, and luckily he agreed. So let's bring him on here now. 7 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:52,920 Keith, thanks so much for coming back. Thank you for having me. 8 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:57,000 Oh, you know you're welcome. Wouldn't have it any other way. 9 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,959 On last week's show, you told us that you planned to head back to 10 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:04,200 the location where that encounter happened. Did you ever go back right No, 11 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:09,439 I haven't gone back yet. We've had some rainy weather and kind of lack 12 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:15,319 on transportation, and I'm not real keen on going back in there alone right 13 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:19,599 now. But sometimes, you know, I let my better brain get the 14 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,280 better half of me and start thinking aggressively. So I'm going to wait probably 15 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:30,439 about two weeks until I can get maybe Stowall or somebody like that can go 16 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,479 back in there with me. I can't say I'll blame you for wanting to 17 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,360 have company when you go back in there. Well, yeah, I mean, 18 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,039 just you know, somebody to haul the body out. Hopefully it won't 19 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:45,039 come to that. Well I hope not, but you never know. Huh, 20 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:49,240 yeah, you never do. From our conversations, I think I learned 21 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,599 quite a bit about you there, Keith. But here's something I just can't 22 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,719 figure out about you. After having that experience you guys had with that dog, 23 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,240 mean that night, why in the world would you want to go back. 24 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:06,400 I think there's two reasons. Number one that it's still there, and 25 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:13,560 number two that we were not just fantasizing all this stuff, because you gotta 26 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,919 remember, man, this was what thirty slid years ago. I'm fifty four 27 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,840 now that's happening when I was thirteen fourteen, and just you know, it's 28 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,120 like nostalgia. I mean, maybe it's going back to your high school reunion 29 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,319 or something. I don't something like that. Maybe perhaps I don't know. 30 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,599 I don't think it's gonna hurt me. You never know. You talk about 31 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:38,439 any example, from every type of species out there, you're gonna have rogues 32 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:43,080 that are dangerous to be around. So you never really know about that. 33 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:46,919 Well, that's true. That's true, And I don't think I'm gonna take 34 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:52,080 my dog out there because I don't want it being a snack. Yeah, 35 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:55,560 that's a good idea. Another thing I just can't wrap my mind around is 36 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,800 after having that encounter that night, you and your bud is kept on going 37 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,560 back. Why in the world did you do that? Well, like I 38 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:10,759 was trying to emphasize on that, for a bunch of young men, our 39 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:14,240 children of that age, well, you know, it depends on what era 40 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:18,319 I guess you come from, call them young men boys, whatever. What 41 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:24,759 we were doing there, we invested so much time in this thing. By 42 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:30,199 the time we got finished, this thing was probably about fifty feet under the 43 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:36,199 ground and we had let's see one, two, three, three rooms, 44 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,920 three major rooms, and two major hallways. So I mean, you know, 45 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,600 you got to remember we were out there ten twelve hours a night, 46 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,439 every night doing this, So it became I guess probably you would call it 47 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:59,040 an obsession, maybe even an addiction. It sounds like it. And I 48 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,480 can understand what you're seeing there about having a lot of time invested in digging 49 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,959 that cave. But when you think about it, yet, fourteen years invested 50 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:09,680 in growing up from the point of being a newborn to the point that you 51 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,040 were at being fourteen years old. What if that came crashing down into an 52 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,319 end because this thing decided to snuff you out like a match. Well, 53 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:26,160 for whatever reason, we weren't terribly worried about that. For some reason, 54 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:29,120 I mean we were at the moment when it showed up. But for the 55 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,800 you gotta remember, there's a lot of time between the times that it would 56 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:38,560 show up and it wouldn't show up. So the times that it didn't show 57 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:43,399 up were just perfectly fine. The times it did that was total terror. 58 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:50,439 I guess it's just being stupid and playing with gasoline because teenagers are stupid. 59 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,439 I hate to say that, but they are. I was stupid. I'm 60 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,480 still stupid. Boys. Do you dumb things? I was no different. 61 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:02,680 I did a lot of dumb things and continue to do a lot of dumb 62 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:08,600 things. So yeah, I can't see anything about that. Is there something 63 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:12,560 I could add to that I really wanted to add last time. By all 64 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,120 means, please do if there's some young boys out there, or young girls 65 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:21,199 or young folks, please do not go out there and dig a cave, 66 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:28,560 because the thing within itself is dangerous, so you don't know when that thing's 67 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,399 going to fall on you. Dog Man, who cares about that? You 68 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:35,439 got several times of dirt falling on you. You're probably gonna die, So 69 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:42,279 just don't do that. Build a treehouse. Yeah, it's a lot safer, 70 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:46,120 at least most of the time. It is. Several people have sent 71 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,839 messages asking if you've ever considered the possibility that that dogged me and paid you 72 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:55,279 guys a visit to get you out of that situation, a dangerous situation where 73 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:59,240 it realized that cave could have keved in on you. But apparently you guys 74 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,600 didn't. It never crossed my mind. I mean, like kind of like 75 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:13,360 moth Man being some kind of advisor or some kind of like burying a fate 76 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,480 or something like that, like the bridge is going to cave in that kind 77 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:23,439 of thing in a way, Yes, I don't think this ain't cared about 78 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:30,800 us like that. It wasn't very nurturing. At least that was the impression 79 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,480 I got. Now. I mean, I could be completely wrong, but 80 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:39,000 once again, I'm more in the dark than I am in the light when 81 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,480 it comes to the subject. I'm pretty sure you're right. About that. 82 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,720 If it was doing that to try and frighten you out of the area so 83 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,000 that you wouldn't have a key possibly keeve in on you, that's borderline altruistic 84 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,079 behavior, and dog me normally just don't operate that way. So I've got 85 00:07:56,199 --> 00:08:00,560 serious doubts that that was what was behind his behavior. Yeah, it kind 86 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,399 of is. It really is, And I don't think these things function on 87 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:07,680 that same level. I don't think they're really concerned about your feelings or you're 88 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,160 welfare. I just don't think so. If anything, What I think is 89 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:18,639 we're in the way of it getting from point A to point B, being 90 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:24,720 its feeding ground or its line of moving from one area to another. That's 91 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,120 what I think. But you know what, do I know anything's possible, 92 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,399 But I highly doubt that was the case, because if I wanted to get 93 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,360 from point A to point B and you guys were kind of in the way, 94 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:39,679 then it always could have circumvented you in It never would have lost much 95 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,639 time, and you never would have known it was there. So I think 96 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,120 it paid you that visit to shake you up, And that's pretty much the 97 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:48,960 only reason why, in my opinion, I think you're right about that, 98 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,399 and I also think that, well I've said it before. I said it 99 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,320 last week. The thing lives on fear, and I think we were its 100 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:01,399 playtoy. Yeah, no argument for me on that. If you've had a 101 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,679 dog mean encounter would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm private 102 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:09,919 or on this show, please go to dog meant Encounters dot com and submit 103 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,360 a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like to be a 104 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:16,480 guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting 105 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:22,320 dot com and let me know you set. The woods where that encounter happened 106 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,799 was only about a niker or so in size. Do one of the tunnels 107 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:28,679 that you told us about there runs under the city of Memphis have an entrance 108 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:33,320 that dumped out into those woods. Yes, to the north of where the 109 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:39,879 cave was. It dumps out into a drainage ditch, which that drainage ditch 110 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,879 runs down to non Connic Creek, and non Connic Creek is kind of a 111 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:48,720 felter of a whole bunch of different drainage ditches just like that one. So 112 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:52,679 there was one just to the north. How far from that cave that you 113 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:58,840 dug was that entrance. Let's see, probably about i'll say one hundred f 114 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,480 oh in heavily wooded area at the time. I haven't been back there in 115 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:09,279 twenty years, so I'm not exactly sure what's going on with that area, 116 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:13,720 but I can tell you what it used to be. Wow, one hundred 117 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,279 feet Yeah, that's really close. Then you described that dog men's fur as 118 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,399 being kind of tannish, whitish orangish in color. Did it look filthy or 119 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:28,799 pretty clean? It looked pretty clean, But you got to diffuse that between 120 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:33,440 time, how long ago it was, and also the light that we saw 121 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,960 it in was a camp firelight, so you know, it's not like I 122 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,519 got a spotlight on it or something like that. If that makes any sense, 123 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,720 all bio means it does. Yeah, you're just worried about saving your 124 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,879 six at the moment. You weren't concerned about taking notes on his fur or 125 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:52,600 anything like that. Well, it's a little more than that. It's not 126 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:58,200 only worried about saving your you know what, but it's also what are we 127 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:03,000 looking at. It's complete and total shock and confusion because it doesn't make any 128 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:09,639 sense. I mean, it's not logical. A beaver or a you know, 129 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:16,080 a raccoon or anything like that. I could probably understand. Like I 130 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,480 said, we'd rack our brains and it's just got to be one of our 131 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,879 friends in some kind of suit. They're out there just messing around with us 132 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,679 because they know we're out out here and we care about this thing. And 133 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:31,960 but that wouldn't make sense either because of how tall it was and how it 134 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,679 moved. So it wasn't some kind of something in a suit. It was 135 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:41,799 something that was real or at least tangible. Yeah, it sounds to me 136 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:46,759 like it was the real thing, no doubt about that. Considering the repeated 137 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:50,919 visits it paid you. Cell Phones weren't around back then, the polaroids and 138 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,159 could at cameras were. Did you ever think about taking a camera with you 139 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:58,720 whenever you go back to dig more? I didn't. I don't know why. 140 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:03,559 I mean, we never looked for tracks, we never looked for any 141 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,720 of that kind of stuff. We just couldn't figure it out. And that 142 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:15,399 was I think we were so baffled by the situation that that was paramount in 143 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,480 our brain as to what this thing was. So it wasn't like, you 144 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,759 know, this was long before well I wouldn't say long before, but at 145 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:30,720 least long before in my mind about documentation and recording evidence and verifying and classifying 146 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:35,759 and anything like that. So we were just freaked out. And like I 147 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:43,360 said, I honestly didn't know if this was a physical thing, some weird 148 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,639 kind of mutant that lived under the city, or if this was some kind 149 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:54,519 of spiritual thing, like my cousin said, because we disturbed the ground and 150 00:12:54,600 --> 00:13:01,000 it just showed up. So there was all these questions, and you know, 151 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,399 over the years, I've come to my own conclusions, especially because of 152 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,200 your show. I don't think there's another dog Man show out there as far 153 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,080 as I know of, at least not one this good. And after hearing 154 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,440 everybody talk about this thing, I'm like, Aha, that's what this was. 155 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,440 So those are the conclusions I come to. And the conclusion I come 156 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,120 to on that is that this thing is a physical thing. It's not a 157 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:35,080 spiritual thing. It's not a manifestation of some kind of paranormal kind of thing 158 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,080 that just popped up out of the air. I think this thing is an 159 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:46,120 actual physical thing. But that's my thought playing the devil's advocate here. If 160 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,200 these guys are flesh and blood creatures, how would you explain the cases where 161 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,639 so many credible eye witnesses come forward and report having an encounter in one state, 162 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,840 and then they go home two states away, and then about a week 163 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,240 leader, the same dog men shows up at their home. I'm not sure. 164 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,679 I'm not sure what this mother so operandi is for this thing, because 165 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:18,639 that's why I still feel the way I felt before that this thing lives on 166 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:22,399 fear. And I think it's always there, but you don't see it. 167 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:31,000 And I think that should be really emphasized, that you don't see it until 168 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,559 it wants you to see it. And I think it's that stealthy, and 169 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,840 I think it's that good of a hunter, and I think it's that much 170 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:43,960 of an apex predator that we don't even have a clue as to how to 171 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:50,360 deal with this thing. But with your seven words and your wisdom and the 172 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:54,120 wisdom and your past guests, for the most part, I can't think of 173 00:14:54,120 --> 00:15:01,480 a time or any episode or any experience where I hear this thing actually physically 174 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:07,039 hurting someone. So what does that tell you? Well, over the years 175 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:11,000 I've been doing this, there have been six or seven credible eyewitnesses who told 176 00:15:11,039 --> 00:15:15,240 me about being attacked by the dog being encountered. Now that's going to make 177 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:18,360 you real But yeah, out of thousands, that's right, right. I 178 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:24,320 mean that's if you do the logical research on that or statistical research, you're 179 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,240 probably going to get attacked by a chicken more than you are the dog man. 180 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:33,159 That's a good point. Or a wild hog or a wild dog, 181 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:39,879 feral animals, that kind of thing. So whatever this thing is doing, 182 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:45,960 it knows what it's doing. And that's why I keep saying that this thing 183 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:50,679 lives on fear, because it gets a rise out of you, and it's 184 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:56,279 like it enjoys getting a rise out of you. So once again, I'm 185 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:00,440 a deist by nature. So I don't know. I don't know, And 186 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,759 there's power in the words I don't know. When you say the words I 187 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:10,919 don't know, that is a powerful statement because you're saying that I don't know, 188 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:15,879 but I can know. So I think there's hope that we can find 189 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:26,120 out what this is and by its actions and everything I've heard in past reports 190 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:33,000 about this thing, it really is a terrifying, menacing beast that gets off 191 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:38,200 on your fear. You know, it's not like a hominoid like Bigfoot, 192 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:45,000 just sitting out in the woods and you might see it maybe, And I 193 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:52,279 think it works in that realm of nightmares. And I'm not sure why that 194 00:16:52,480 --> 00:17:00,720 is. Maybe that's it's amo for attack, or maybe that's its mo for 195 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:06,319 hunting. But I mean, there's been so many accounts as far as this 196 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,519 thing. I remember one of your shows that just blew me away, where 197 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:15,680 it attacked a bull and the bull was in the barn. It could have 198 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:18,559 killed the bull in the barn, could have ate the bull in the barn, 199 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,000 but it had to pull the bull out to where everybody could see it 200 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,839 rip it to pieces. Why would you do that? Yeah, that's a 201 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,880 really good point. I'm not saying you're wrong. I want to make sure 202 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,319 you understand that, but I just want to pose a question for you. 203 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:37,759 You said that you're pretty sure they're flesh and blood creatures, just ordinary animals, 204 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,720 But you also said that you think they feed off the fear, which 205 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,599 every indication is that they do. If they do feed off the fear, 206 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:51,720 no other animal does that. So wouldn't that point towards them being supernatural. 207 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,000 That's a good point. I can run with that. I mean, it's 208 00:17:56,039 --> 00:18:00,119 possible, but it could also be possible that it's a different breed of animal 209 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:06,960 that works in a completely different way as far as hunting. If you have 210 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,279 any cats, or any of your audience have cats, they will tame a 211 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,400 bird. A matter of fact, my cat just caught a bird today. 212 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,839 I had to get it out of its mouth because it's spring, we got 213 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:23,240 baby birds. But they will hypnotize a bird. They make funny noises, 214 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,000 and they will hypnotize a bird, and they will look at that bird in 215 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:37,559 its eyes until that bird becomes totally unaware, and then they pounce. So 216 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:44,480 maybe this is a hunting tactic. Maybe it's something instinctive, that it's natural 217 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:49,160 ingrained in that animal within itself. I don't know. Once again, I 218 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:57,559 don't know, but I find it extremely weird that a lot of these stories 219 00:18:57,599 --> 00:19:04,799 have the same kind of baseline. The encounters might be different, but the 220 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:10,079 way it moves, the way it looks, the way it thinks, how 221 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:17,480 it causes fear, maybe that's a tactic. Maybe that's an instinctive tactic in 222 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:22,400 this animal. I mean, that's I would like to think that's a reasonable 223 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,079 question. Oh sure, it is. Just imagine if we somehow have the 224 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,799 ability to study these guys just imagine how long it would take us to actually 225 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,720 figure them out. It would take forever. Well, I mean, you 226 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,279 know, from a scientific point of view, there's no way you can figure 227 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:42,559 this out unless you had a body. And yeah, even if you had 228 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,200 one, how you're going to contain it. You're talking about something that can 229 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,160 take a fully grown bull and throw it over a fence. Where are you 230 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,759 going to lock that up at? What kind of drugs are you going to 231 00:19:55,839 --> 00:19:57,119 hit that with to calm it down? I mean, that's gonna be some 232 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:03,279 serious elephant tran I mean, I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't understand this. 233 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:07,279 Maybe we never were meant to understand this, because I think that you're 234 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:18,759 dealing with something on its level and we can't function that way. I think 235 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:25,960 it's seen when it wants to be seen. That doesn't mean it's not always 236 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,960 there. I think it's seen and felt when it wants to be seen and 237 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,960 felt. Could that be a spiritual thing? It could be a spiritual thing, 238 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,039 you know. I don't know. If we did somehow magically have the 239 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:42,119 ability to study these guys as they were alive, out and about doing their 240 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:48,640 thing, I think we'd wind up with more questions and answers unfortunately. Well, 241 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,440 I think that's where we're at now. How many people have seen this 242 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:59,759 thing and how more common is this becoming where people are starting to talk about 243 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:04,839 this thing. Bigfoot's been around since I guess the fifties as a patterned in 244 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:10,000 film or whatever it is. But you know, I mean how long. 245 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,160 Well, we've always had reports of dog Man. We just never understood it 246 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,559 because we're not paying attention to things like skin walkers and stuff like that. 247 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:23,079 Maybe it's a werewolf, I don't know. Maybe it is a shape shifter, 248 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,559 but I don't think so. I think it's a breed to itself. 249 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,559 I just think it's if you ever saw the movie Predator, that's what you're 250 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:37,200 dealing with. Yeah, that's a good way to sum it up. On 251 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,799 last week's show, you told us about the Genesis Room. You said that 252 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,279 was the first room in that key that you dug. How big was the 253 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:49,079 Genesis room though? Because you said that you, John and Beer all hid 254 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:53,559 from that dog mean in the Genesis Room. Let's see, I'm trying to 255 00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:56,279 think it would be good. I'm trying to look around at something. I'm 256 00:21:56,319 --> 00:22:00,440 looking around in my room, trying to think of a good dimension. It'd 257 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:07,279 probably be about six by eight feet as far as width, and it'd probably 258 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:14,039 be about eight feet tall. You could probably shove five people down in that 259 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,400 room if you wanted to. You could have put five people in there, 260 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,079 it sounds like, but I'm sure when that dolled meal was out in the 261 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,039 ballot, it was pretty cramped down there, especially having to spend so much 262 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:29,000 time down there. Well, yeah, to reiterate on that one thing, 263 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,359 I used to have a spade that we dug the cave with, and that 264 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:37,279 spade was so sharp. I don't know if you know too much about shovels, 265 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,799 but if you keep using them, you keep using them. They hone 266 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:44,079 a blade on them. So I had a spade. It didn't even have 267 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,839 a handle. I would just use it in one hand and dig. So 268 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:55,079 I had that, and John had another spade, but a regular shovel. 269 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,880 And we're sitting at the entrance to the cave down in the Genesis Room, 270 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,559 which the Genesis Room went down about. The entrance was opened on the side 271 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:11,799 of the cave, and the entrance was probably about three feet wide, and 272 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:17,200 then once you got in the cave, the room actually broadened out. We 273 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,440 had carved candle niches and you know, we had candles down there and all 274 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,039 that stuff. So there's really only room at that entrance for two people with 275 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,000 a shovel, So anything that was coming in was definitely going to get cut, 276 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,599 you know. I mean it would probably killed us, but we would 277 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,880 have gone down with a fight. And Bear, on the other hand, 278 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:41,759 and Bear's taller than any of us, Bears like tall is Bear. He's 279 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:47,720 probably about six foot three, big dude. And like I said, he 280 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,200 paid himself and his legs were quivering so hard he thought he was going to 281 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,039 have a heart attack. Me and John, it was just a question of 282 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:02,039 fight or flight. It's like, Okay, we're in this. We're gonna 283 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,279 do this. Whatever it is, we're gonna do it. I don't know 284 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:08,079 what it is, we're gonna do it. And that's a whole lot of 285 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,119 an adrenaline rush to shove on a thirteen fourteen year old, you know, 286 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,799 Oh it is. Yeah, that's one heck of a rush to shove on 287 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,839 a fifty year old or a sixty year old. So yeah, I get 288 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,400 it. Yeah, And you know, you don't know what you're looking at, 289 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,599 you know, is this a dream? What is this My first thought 290 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:34,480 and it's still my thought, is that whatever this is is some kind of 291 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:41,799 mutant thing and it lives in the sewers. That was my thought because we 292 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:47,039 were so close to that entrance that goes under the city of the drainage ditches. 293 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,000 And I made a mistake last week by calling it sewers. But it's 294 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,119 not really a sewer. It's a drainage ditch, and it's drainage that comes 295 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,440 from all the gutters and all the rain water that goes down city in suburba 296 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,720 or normal Memphis, or normal in any city. So yeah, somebody pointed 297 00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:10,200 that out to me and they said, it's not a super system, it's 298 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:11,960 it's a drainage ditch. I was like, you know what, You're right, 299 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:17,000 and that is a drainage ditch. And I'll tell you something. That 300 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:19,920 creek was really strange place. I said that before and I'll say it again. 301 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:26,440 That creek with all that water, especially in the fall and in the 302 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,839 spring where I live in Memphis, in this general area, it rains a 303 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:37,119 lot. So this time of year or around this time of year, we 304 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,160 get this massive amount of water. It really doesn't even have to be that 305 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:45,440 much because it's all filtered to that creek, which is non kind of creek. 306 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:51,720 So that creek, that creek, the water level of that creek will 307 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:57,160 rise, and you wouldn't believe it would come up to almost our backyard that 308 00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:00,759 high. It would get to the point to where it was like a raging 309 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,720 white water river, and you know, there's sometimes we'd be out there looking 310 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:10,440 at it and here comes a canoe or a kayak with four or five people 311 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,720 and it's going yeehaul and riding down these white water rapids. You know. 312 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,839 So there was always something weird going on down there, you know. And 313 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,279 then in the heat of the summer or the dead of the winter, that 314 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,920 creek its level would fall so low that you could walk over it might be 315 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:36,519 two or three inches because it's a tributary off the sewer systems. I think 316 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:41,559 they call it the non kind of creek watershed. So I'm not sure if 317 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,079 that thing was man built or if it was always there. I'm not sure 318 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,039 exactly. Well, regardless, it sounds like a new place to go explore 319 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:52,240 to me. I don't blame you for doing. Oh yeah, yeah, 320 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,039 it's great for being a kid. Yeah, Oh, no doubt, especially 321 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,240 at the time, because you know, we didn't have as much crime. 322 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,519 We didn't have well, I mean, there's always going to be creeps and 323 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,759 people out there that want to take advantage of you and stuff. But you 324 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:14,039 might be walking down the creek bed and you run into an ornithologist from the 325 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,240 University of Memphis. He's just out there, you know, studying birds and 326 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,759 studying redtail hawks. Or you might run into a geologist out there looking for 327 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:29,480 agots and crystals and courts and stuff like that. So you never knew who 328 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:33,160 you would run into. Out there. Sounds like a need area when it 329 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:37,960 was taunting you and the guys from outside the key. Did you ever hear 330 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,799 it digging like he was trying to dig you out or was it just moving 331 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,440 around out there? Now? The thing I can remember that sticks in my 332 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:52,640 head was a growling, which is a very deep growl, and branches breaking 333 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:59,799 like it was intending for you to know it was there, sticks, limbs, 334 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:04,720 stuff like that dry wood. And then it would get quiet, and 335 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,799 then it'd show up on the other side of the entrance to the cave and 336 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:11,759 he'd start doing the same thing. And it was almost like it was two 337 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,480 or three feet away from the entrance where you couldn't see it, but you 338 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:21,920 dare not stick your head out of that halt because that was probably sure death, 339 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,240 right, that was sure death. So you could hear it and it 340 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:29,000 would be growling and moving around, and didn't you hear it on top of 341 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,440 the cave. You'd hear it the leaves crackling, and it walking around, 342 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,319 breaking limbs and stuff like that and growling, and then you'd hear it on 343 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:42,440 the other side. And so I just saw it that one time. John 344 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:48,599 saw it twice. But John's not here to talk about it. I can't 345 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,640 remember if you told us last week. But how much do you think you 346 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:59,759 wade? I've thought about this, and I thought about my perceptions of size, 347 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:04,000 and wait, I'm thinking at least four hundred and fifty pounds. At 348 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:08,200 least it's not five hundred. It was lean, but it was built. 349 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,000 If it weighed close to that much, I hope it didn't spend too much 350 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:18,839 time directly above you because that could have caused well, I mean, that's 351 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,480 one thing. If you're going to do this, if you're going to dig 352 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,960 a cave, dig under the root system of a tree, because at least 353 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,319 you got that as a stabilizer, So that's kind of what we did. 354 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:33,720 So I don't think it would have mattered because you know, that root system 355 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,480 was extensive on top of the cliff side there that we were going into, 356 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,720 and eventually, if you go down far enough, you're gonna start hitting clay. 357 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:47,039 But still, it's not a good idea for boys and girls to be 358 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:52,160 out there doing this kind of thing. No, it's not. 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Yeah, 368 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,880 yeah, I'm sure I did, But I mean, you know, actually 369 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,640 I didn't even smell that I was not worried about it. I was not 370 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,640 worried about the pe I was not worried about the smell. I was not 371 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,839 worried about any of that. I was like, you know, I was 372 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,279 too busy trying to wrap my head about what is this? Why are we 373 00:30:55,319 --> 00:31:00,960 being hunted? And I read a few comments. I haven't spent a lot 374 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,839 of time on the last show's episode, but somebody said some funny things. 375 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,680 It's like, it wouldn't have led Zeppelin fan. Okay, whoever said that, 376 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,519 you're really really funny? Okay, I like you, you're funny. 377 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,799 And somebody else said something about when I was talking about it, it's smiling, 378 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,960 that it wasn't smiling, that it was growling at us or grimacing at 379 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,440 us, And I was like, you know what, that makes total sense. 380 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,599 It wasn't smiling. That thing was showing its teeth. I wasn't a 381 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,400 smile. I'm not so sure about that. It just might have been a 382 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,960 smile. It's hard to say. Then again, I wasn't there. You 383 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,200 were, so, yeah, your judgment will be much better on that than 384 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,839 mine would be. Sad. I can't remember the exact words they said, 385 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:52,400 but they said it wasn't smile. It was a growl or a menacing posture, 386 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,880 which would make sense, especially by the way that thing's head works. 387 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:06,079 It looked like you how a snake has a interlocking jaw. Now snake can 388 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,440 like unlock its jaw and make its jaw bigger. It looked like that. 389 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:15,960 It looked like it could do that. That's a scary thought. Yeah, 390 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,599 that's very scary thought. But like I've said before, these guys don't have 391 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:24,480 any soft edges. Everything about them is pretty sharp and hard. Yeah, 392 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:29,200 yeah, definitely. And I am going to try to get back down there. 393 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,200 I just I just I don't know, I don't know. I just 394 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,200 uh, sometimes I want to go, and sometimes I think, I don't 395 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,720 know what am I doing. And then there's also the question of the police, 396 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:45,519 and there's people that live directly behind that or you know, I guess 397 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:50,079 it would be in front of that cave where you don't want to get down 398 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,440 there, and just you know, I have a whole bunch of cops show 399 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,759 up and going, you know, what are you doing down here? And 400 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,279 then you gotta go. Well, you know, and I was thirteen, 401 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,839 there was this thing down here, and I wanted to come down here and 402 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:08,559 see if it was still here, they're gonna lock me up. So yeah, 403 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,759 there is that. Hopefully that wouldn't happen. Well, you gotta sneak 404 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:17,240 in, you gotta sneak out. It's been so much time that's passed. 405 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,039 How sure are you that that cave is still there? Oh, the cave 406 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,759 is not there. I know for a fact the cave's not there. There's 407 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:29,200 probably no semblance of the cave after this time. I don't know if it 408 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,279 was dog Man or a bunch of kids. I think it was a bunch 409 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:36,559 of kids, because eventually, when we finished those two rooms, a well 410 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,400 three and the two hallways, we started going straight up. We did a 411 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,200 vertical tunnel all the way to the top where we had a hatch that opened 412 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:49,160 up, kind of like a missile silo or something like that. Of course, 413 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,480 us being kids, we didn't know how to seal that properly. We 414 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,000 should have had concrete and stuff around it. And we're using an old drum, 415 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,279 old fitty gallon drum, not a fitty gallon, but like five hundred 416 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,039 gallon drum or whatever. When those old drums and a hatch on the top, 417 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:12,280 and I think that we had a bunch of younger kids that came around 418 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,360 and left the top open, and when it started raining, it eventually washed 419 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,480 out, or it could have been dog man. I mean, it's not 420 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:24,280 like it wasn't loocked or anything. But I know for a fact that the 421 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,840 Memphis Police Department went down there several times and took pictures that they were just 422 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,719 blown away that somebody actually did this. I can understand why they would be 423 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,000 impressed and either that or just freaked out. It's like, what in the 424 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:44,000 world is this? Well, yeah, that too. You said that you 425 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,239 and your friends went straight to your house after you left the hole that morning 426 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,199 when the sun came up. The closest house was just fifty feet away. 427 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:57,239 But how far was your home from the kyve as a crow flies, Probably 428 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,480 about fifty yards, but you got to walk through woods to an open field 429 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,559 and then go about another hundred yards to get to the house. So you 430 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:13,599 know, we weren't about to go in the dark running through a whole bunch 431 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:19,679 of brambles, especially when it's on that side and you can hear it flanking 432 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,679 you. So we're trying to stay on the path get to the edge of 433 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:28,199 the woods, which we did, and then you hang a right and it's 434 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:36,400 about one hundred yards and these fields, this is where you're going to have 435 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,079 power lines. So that's why it's a field. That's why nothing's built there, 436 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:49,519 because it's TVA Tennessee Valley Authority area where they have power lines and structures 437 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:53,599 like that, where they're running power through the neighborhood and through the community. 438 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,679 I got a funny story about that too. By the way, bile means 439 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,239 please tell us no, no, no. I mean, we were just 440 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,599 destructive little kids when we were kids, and they started building those things. 441 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,559 When they'd get done putting them together, we'd go out there and take them 442 00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:19,079 apart and just throw it in the Creek's stupid. Yeah, just boys being 443 00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:24,360 boys. And they finally got to where they put locking nuts on the bolts 444 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:30,760 and the nuts because we did it so much. You guys were little miscreants. 445 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,599 Oh my god, you don't even know, Dick. If there was 446 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:38,039 trouble to get in, we probably got in it. I can only imagine 447 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,639 did anything ever happen at your house? It makes you think that it might 448 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:49,199 have visited you at home, Not that I can think of offhand, but 449 00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:53,920 there are plenty things that happened on that creek where I'm pretty sure looking back 450 00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:00,800 now, it was there. I made mention of the tree trunk shooting off 451 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,639 the side of a cliff about forty feet up and hitting the water. Stuff 452 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:09,440 like that. There were plenty of times where it would be a perfectly sunny 453 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:15,920 and nice day and you'd be down there just exploring as children do, you 454 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:22,480 know, watching butterflies and having fun and exploring and doing the things you do 455 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,159 when you're a child, and all of a sudden, this tremendous amount of 456 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,440 somebody is watching me and I need to get out of here right now would 457 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,960 come over you, you know, just total terror. So you would high 458 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,800 tell it, man, you would high tell it. You would run as 459 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,079 fast as you could do those woods, jumping up and down creek beds, 460 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,039 jumping up and down cliffs, as being a dog man as much as you 461 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:52,039 can be. And the funny thing is you get to the edge of your 462 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:58,880 backyard and you turn around and look, and all of a sudden that feelings 463 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,440 gone, feelings gone. You're like, you kind of think to yourself, 464 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,079 what am I so scared about? There are plenty of times we were down 465 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:13,320 there, or I was down there even alone, and you get that overwhelming 466 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:19,239 feeling that something is watching me and this is not natural. I gotta go, 467 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,480 I got to go. So you'd go and as soon as you'd hit 468 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:32,599 the safety of your house or you know, civilization or whatever, and it 469 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:37,159 would go away. There's a lot of things that doesn't make a lot of 470 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:45,159 sense about this to me, and I'm pretty sure it was it because I 471 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:51,000 think we're a lot like rabbits. I think we're a lot like food or 472 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,519 something where you know, it's like if you're gonna be hunted, you know 473 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:59,760 you're being hunted. You know, you instinctively know. You know. Nobody 474 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,119 has to tell you that something's out there and it wants to eat you or 475 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,920 kill you. So why is that? Why doesn't it eat you or kill 476 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:15,079 you? And why does it have this instinctive nature to install that fear in 477 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:21,480 you when it can sit back and not be seen and not even let you 478 00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:25,760 know you're there. It's there? So why is that? Like I said, 479 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,639 there's probably more questions than there are answers to this thing. Maybe one 480 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,559 day, well maybe one day, but I'll highly doubt that, but time 481 00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:42,800 will tell. Yeah, Well, I'm not sure it's still here. Like 482 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,719 I said, it's been so long since I've been down there. But it 483 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:52,920 could be I think we were in its way and it wanted us to go 484 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,840 away. That's what I think. And I think that there's something about this 485 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:05,960 thing that is capable, be it natural or supernatural, of installing fear in 486 00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:10,840 people. Or it could be once again where the rabbits, it's the wolf 487 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:16,800 and that's just the nature of life. Our rabbit's going to know when it's 488 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:22,320 being hunted. It could be something so far off from you know, it 489 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,760 just could be instinctive. Because that's the thing too, is nobody wants to 490 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,199 admit it that we are animals. Nobody wants to admit that humans are animals, 491 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:36,400 but we are. We're part of this animal kingdom, just like a 492 00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:38,880 rat or a fish or anything else, you know. So we have our 493 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:51,280 place in this world, and we still have that evolutionary concept of hunt or 494 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:57,599 be hunted or fear. So maybe it's just instinctive. That might be what's 495 00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,960 behind the butt. I think it's a little more entailed than that, but 496 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:05,119 I could be wrong what I'm about to say, Keith. I'm sure it's 497 00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,519 not going to come as a surprise to you. But unfortunately, there are 498 00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:12,760 people who have listened to last week's show who are convinced that because they would 499 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,280 never go back out into the woods after you had that first encounter, that 500 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,679 must mean that you're lying about that encounter, because no one would do that. 501 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,000 But in sales, there's a saying, and that saying is you are 502 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:28,960 not your customers. What that means is just because you wouldn't buy something, 503 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:32,119 Ever, that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who would. So 504 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,000 the same thing holds true with your experience. Just because most people would never 505 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:40,679 go back to those woods or any woods after having an encounter like the one 506 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:45,280 that you had, that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who would 507 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,719 go back into the woods multiple times. So you can't play that game. 508 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,320 I just wanted to put that out there. Well, I think that's a 509 00:41:53,360 --> 00:42:00,559 good point. I think my curiosity overrides my fear, if that makes any 510 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:07,119 sense. The curiosity of this story really overrides my fear, and I'm definitely 511 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:13,440 not making it up. So see, and that's the thing that for us 512 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:22,000 to sit down and talk about one specific encounter or a few encounters doesn't change 513 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,320 the fact of how many times we were out there where nothing happened. So 514 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:31,760 there was more times we were out there that nothing happened than happened. It 515 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,679 was a handful of times that things happened and the multitude of things that never 516 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,599 happened. And that's your backyard too when I was a kid. So for 517 00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:47,960 me, it's not only curiosity, it's also a nostalgia because I grew up 518 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,599 there well too. For some people, that would serve as a magnet drawing 519 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:58,519 them into the woods. Yeah, but I can understand how anybody would say 520 00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:02,320 that. I mean, it's certainly not a pleasant experience. I mean it's 521 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,239 not, you know, at least it wasn't. But I think it at 522 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,840 my age now, I can probably deal with it a little different. I 523 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,440 wouldn't be completely fearstruck. Well I might be. I don't know. I 524 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:21,400 probably would be for that man, But I still want to find out. 525 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,599 I think that's where the curiosity comes in with all of it. If you 526 00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,599 do go back there, I hope you get some good answers and helps you 527 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,239 bring closure to all this. Well. Yeah, I mean I would like 528 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,760 to have answers for all of us. I'd like to sit down with this 529 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,360 thing and have a cup of tea and play some chests. But I don't 530 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,639 think that's going to happen now. I don't think so either. There's something 531 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:49,239 going on. Oh, I'd say there is. When you'd feel the overwhelming 532 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,639 sense of doom from time to time after the night you had that encounter, 533 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,000 you said you didn't see it those times. Did that almost make those experiences 534 00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,880 worse than the time that you actually did see it? I would say yes, 535 00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:08,639 because what you're dealing with there is something that is the unknown. I 536 00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:14,320 mean, even if you're looking at something and you don't know what it is, 537 00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:17,840 you're still looking at it. Yeah. Yeah, but hearing it or 538 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:28,280 feeling it is completely different than not seeing it and hearing it and knowing that 539 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,360 it's there to terrify you. Yeah, that does make it a lot different. 540 00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:37,119 You told us about that reaccurring nightmare that you had for about twenty years 541 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,679 or so. How much trouble do you have present day dealing with that experience? 542 00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:47,039 I don't. That nightmare lasted about twenty years literally, but I haven't 543 00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:51,840 had that nightmare in a very long time. I wouldn't even if I did, 544 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:58,079 I wouldn't consider going back down there. So I'm trying to, I 545 00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:04,519 guess in my own mind and put this somewhere behind me. And yeah, 546 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:10,119 I think you're right, have some closure and perhaps some understanding. More so 547 00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,400 with the knowledge I have now compared to what I did when I was a 548 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,000 child or a young man. What a how are you want to put it? 549 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,880 Well, maybe I'm old too, but I think fourteen is definitely a 550 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:25,480 kid. Let's about time for us to get out if you're a Keith, 551 00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:29,480 But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd like to share? 552 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,519 Absolutely? I do. I would like to say thank you again to 553 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,320 you and the service you do to the community of crypto its, especially Dogman. 554 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,360 And I would also like to say thank you to all the people that 555 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,679 came before me and gave me the courage to speak up about my experience. 556 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,880 And I hope that I can inspire others to come out and speak about theirs. 557 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,920 And I'd also like to say thank you to all the people that said 558 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,960 some nice things about me in the combat sections. And I appreciate your humor 559 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,679 and I appreciate all you guys. You're good folks. And if you ever 560 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,320 want to look me up, all you gotta do is look me up on 561 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:15,559 Facebook. Look up Gregory Keith Brooks. I have a my dog who's past 562 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,679 but she's a pitbull and she's wearing a booney hat. And then there's a 563 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:23,400 picture of me wearing a University of Tennessee hat. And if you find that, 564 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:28,880 you'll find me. So there can't be possibly too many guys named Gregory 565 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,760 Keith Brooks for Memphis and for in me and we'll talk about it and talk 566 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,639 to Vick. Come on his show. He's a good guy. He's going 567 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:42,840 to help you out because that's what he does more than anything, not only 568 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,320 document the stuff, but he also takes care of the people that come to 569 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:52,480 him with these issues. And listen to him. And thank you again, 570 00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,880 Vick. Well you know you're welcome. Well, I can't thank you enough 571 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,800 for coming on the show when shooting that experience number one, but especially for 572 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,679 coming back tonight and answering all these questions. I really appreciate it. Not 573 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,159 a problem, sir. Thanks again so much for your time, and have 574 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:08,880 a great night.