If you listen to last week's show, you heard our guest Keith Brooks talk
about the nightmarish dog man encounter you had while he was digging a KEIV as
a kid. While on that show, I asked him several questions, but
there are several more I wanted to ask that I didn't have time to ask
him with that in mind, to ask him about coming back on to answer
those questions, and luckily he agreed. So let's bring him on here now.
Keith, thanks so much for coming back. Thank you for having me.
Oh, you know you're welcome. Wouldn't have it any other way.
On last week's show, you told us that you planned to head back to
the location where that encounter happened. Did you ever go back right No,
I haven't gone back yet. We've had some rainy weather and kind of lack
on transportation, and I'm not real keen on going back in there alone right
now. But sometimes, you know, I let my better brain get the
better half of me and start thinking aggressively. So I'm going to wait probably
about two weeks until I can get maybe Stowall or somebody like that can go
back in there with me. I can't say I'll blame you for wanting to
have company when you go back in there. Well, yeah, I mean,
just you know, somebody to haul the body out. Hopefully it won't
come to that. Well I hope not, but you never know. Huh,
yeah, you never do. From our conversations, I think I learned
quite a bit about you there, Keith. But here's something I just can't
figure out about you. After having that experience you guys had with that dog,
mean that night, why in the world would you want to go back.
I think there's two reasons. Number one that it's still there, and
number two that we were not just fantasizing all this stuff, because you gotta
remember, man, this was what thirty slid years ago. I'm fifty four
now that's happening when I was thirteen fourteen, and just you know, it's
like nostalgia. I mean, maybe it's going back to your high school reunion
or something. I don't something like that. Maybe perhaps I don't know.
I don't think it's gonna hurt me. You never know. You talk about
any example, from every type of species out there, you're gonna have rogues
that are dangerous to be around. So you never really know about that.
Well, that's true. That's true, And I don't think I'm gonna take
my dog out there because I don't want it being a snack. Yeah,
that's a good idea. Another thing I just can't wrap my mind around is
after having that encounter that night, you and your bud is kept on going
back. Why in the world did you do that? Well, like I
was trying to emphasize on that, for a bunch of young men, our
children of that age, well, you know, it depends on what era
I guess you come from, call them young men boys, whatever. What
we were doing there, we invested so much time in this thing. By
the time we got finished, this thing was probably about fifty feet under the
ground and we had let's see one, two, three, three rooms,
three major rooms, and two major hallways. So I mean, you know,
you got to remember we were out there ten twelve hours a night,
every night doing this, So it became I guess probably you would call it
an obsession, maybe even an addiction. It sounds like it. And I
can understand what you're seeing there about having a lot of time invested in digging
that cave. But when you think about it, yet, fourteen years invested
in growing up from the point of being a newborn to the point that you
were at being fourteen years old. What if that came crashing down into an
end because this thing decided to snuff you out like a match. Well,
for whatever reason, we weren't terribly worried about that. For some reason,
I mean we were at the moment when it showed up. But for the
you gotta remember, there's a lot of time between the times that it would
show up and it wouldn't show up. So the times that it didn't show
up were just perfectly fine. The times it did that was total terror.
I guess it's just being stupid and playing with gasoline because teenagers are stupid.
I hate to say that, but they are. I was stupid. I'm
still stupid. Boys. Do you dumb things? I was no different.
I did a lot of dumb things and continue to do a lot of dumb
things. So yeah, I can't see anything about that. Is there something
I could add to that I really wanted to add last time. By all
means, please do if there's some young boys out there, or young girls
or young folks, please do not go out there and dig a cave,
because the thing within itself is dangerous, so you don't know when that thing's
going to fall on you. Dog Man, who cares about that? You
got several times of dirt falling on you. You're probably gonna die, So
just don't do that. Build a treehouse. Yeah, it's a lot safer,
at least most of the time. It is. Several people have sent
messages asking if you've ever considered the possibility that that dogged me and paid you
guys a visit to get you out of that situation, a dangerous situation where
it realized that cave could have keved in on you. But apparently you guys
didn't. It never crossed my mind. I mean, like kind of like
moth Man being some kind of advisor or some kind of like burying a fate
or something like that, like the bridge is going to cave in that kind
of thing in a way, Yes, I don't think this ain't cared about
us like that. It wasn't very nurturing. At least that was the impression
I got. Now. I mean, I could be completely wrong, but
once again, I'm more in the dark than I am in the light when
it comes to the subject. I'm pretty sure you're right. About that.
If it was doing that to try and frighten you out of the area so
that you wouldn't have a key possibly keeve in on you, that's borderline altruistic
behavior, and dog me normally just don't operate that way. So I've got
serious doubts that that was what was behind his behavior. Yeah, it kind
of is. It really is, And I don't think these things function on
that same level. I don't think they're really concerned about your feelings or you're
welfare. I just don't think so. If anything, What I think is
we're in the way of it getting from point A to point B, being
its feeding ground or its line of moving from one area to another. That's
what I think. But you know what, do I know anything's possible,
But I highly doubt that was the case, because if I wanted to get
from point A to point B and you guys were kind of in the way,
then it always could have circumvented you in It never would have lost much
time, and you never would have known it was there. So I think
it paid you that visit to shake you up, And that's pretty much the
only reason why, in my opinion, I think you're right about that,
and I also think that, well I've said it before. I said it
last week. The thing lives on fear, and I think we were its
playtoy. Yeah, no argument for me on that. If you've had a
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dot com and let me know you set. The woods where that encounter happened
was only about a niker or so in size. Do one of the tunnels
that you told us about there runs under the city of Memphis have an entrance
that dumped out into those woods. Yes, to the north of where the
cave was. It dumps out into a drainage ditch, which that drainage ditch
runs down to non Connic Creek, and non Connic Creek is kind of a
felter of a whole bunch of different drainage ditches just like that one. So
there was one just to the north. How far from that cave that you
dug was that entrance. Let's see, probably about i'll say one hundred f
oh in heavily wooded area at the time. I haven't been back there in
twenty years, so I'm not exactly sure what's going on with that area,
but I can tell you what it used to be. Wow, one hundred
feet Yeah, that's really close. Then you described that dog men's fur as
being kind of tannish, whitish orangish in color. Did it look filthy or
pretty clean? It looked pretty clean, But you got to diffuse that between
time, how long ago it was, and also the light that we saw
it in was a camp firelight, so you know, it's not like I
got a spotlight on it or something like that. If that makes any sense,
all bio means it does. Yeah, you're just worried about saving your
six at the moment. You weren't concerned about taking notes on his fur or
anything like that. Well, it's a little more than that. It's not
only worried about saving your you know what, but it's also what are we
looking at. It's complete and total shock and confusion because it doesn't make any
sense. I mean, it's not logical. A beaver or a you know,
a raccoon or anything like that. I could probably understand. Like I
said, we'd rack our brains and it's just got to be one of our
friends in some kind of suit. They're out there just messing around with us
because they know we're out out here and we care about this thing. And
but that wouldn't make sense either because of how tall it was and how it
moved. So it wasn't some kind of something in a suit. It was
something that was real or at least tangible. Yeah, it sounds to me
like it was the real thing, no doubt about that. Considering the repeated
visits it paid you. Cell Phones weren't around back then, the polaroids and
could at cameras were. Did you ever think about taking a camera with you
whenever you go back to dig more? I didn't. I don't know why.
I mean, we never looked for tracks, we never looked for any
of that kind of stuff. We just couldn't figure it out. And that
was I think we were so baffled by the situation that that was paramount in
our brain as to what this thing was. So it wasn't like, you
know, this was long before well I wouldn't say long before, but at
least long before in my mind about documentation and recording evidence and verifying and classifying
and anything like that. So we were just freaked out. And like I
said, I honestly didn't know if this was a physical thing, some weird
kind of mutant that lived under the city, or if this was some kind
of spiritual thing, like my cousin said, because we disturbed the ground and
it just showed up. So there was all these questions, and you know,
over the years, I've come to my own conclusions, especially because of
your show. I don't think there's another dog Man show out there as far
as I know of, at least not one this good. And after hearing
everybody talk about this thing, I'm like, Aha, that's what this was.
So those are the conclusions I come to. And the conclusion I come
to on that is that this thing is a physical thing. It's not a
spiritual thing. It's not a manifestation of some kind of paranormal kind of thing
that just popped up out of the air. I think this thing is an
actual physical thing. But that's my thought playing the devil's advocate here. If
these guys are flesh and blood creatures, how would you explain the cases where
so many credible eye witnesses come forward and report having an encounter in one state,
and then they go home two states away, and then about a week
leader, the same dog men shows up at their home. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure what this mother so operandi is for this thing, because
that's why I still feel the way I felt before that this thing lives on
fear. And I think it's always there, but you don't see it.
And I think that should be really emphasized, that you don't see it until
it wants you to see it. And I think it's that stealthy, and
I think it's that good of a hunter, and I think it's that much
of an apex predator that we don't even have a clue as to how to
deal with this thing. But with your seven words and your wisdom and the
wisdom and your past guests, for the most part, I can't think of
a time or any episode or any experience where I hear this thing actually physically
hurting someone. So what does that tell you? Well, over the years
I've been doing this, there have been six or seven credible eyewitnesses who told
me about being attacked by the dog being encountered. Now that's going to make
you real But yeah, out of thousands, that's right, right. I
mean that's if you do the logical research on that or statistical research, you're
probably going to get attacked by a chicken more than you are the dog man.
That's a good point. Or a wild hog or a wild dog,
feral animals, that kind of thing. So whatever this thing is doing,
it knows what it's doing. And that's why I keep saying that this thing
lives on fear, because it gets a rise out of you, and it's
like it enjoys getting a rise out of you. So once again, I'm
a deist by nature. So I don't know. I don't know, And
there's power in the words I don't know. When you say the words I
don't know, that is a powerful statement because you're saying that I don't know,
but I can know. So I think there's hope that we can find
out what this is and by its actions and everything I've heard in past reports
about this thing, it really is a terrifying, menacing beast that gets off
on your fear. You know, it's not like a hominoid like Bigfoot,
just sitting out in the woods and you might see it maybe, And I
think it works in that realm of nightmares. And I'm not sure why that
is. Maybe that's it's amo for attack, or maybe that's its mo for
hunting. But I mean, there's been so many accounts as far as this
thing. I remember one of your shows that just blew me away, where
it attacked a bull and the bull was in the barn. It could have
killed the bull in the barn, could have ate the bull in the barn,
but it had to pull the bull out to where everybody could see it
rip it to pieces. Why would you do that? Yeah, that's a
really good point. I'm not saying you're wrong. I want to make sure
you understand that, but I just want to pose a question for you.
You said that you're pretty sure they're flesh and blood creatures, just ordinary animals,
But you also said that you think they feed off the fear, which
every indication is that they do. If they do feed off the fear,
no other animal does that. So wouldn't that point towards them being supernatural.
That's a good point. I can run with that. I mean, it's
possible, but it could also be possible that it's a different breed of animal
that works in a completely different way as far as hunting. If you have
any cats, or any of your audience have cats, they will tame a
bird. A matter of fact, my cat just caught a bird today.
I had to get it out of its mouth because it's spring, we got
baby birds. But they will hypnotize a bird. They make funny noises,
and they will hypnotize a bird, and they will look at that bird in
its eyes until that bird becomes totally unaware, and then they pounce. So
maybe this is a hunting tactic. Maybe it's something instinctive, that it's natural
ingrained in that animal within itself. I don't know. Once again, I
don't know, but I find it extremely weird that a lot of these stories
have the same kind of baseline. The encounters might be different, but the
way it moves, the way it looks, the way it thinks, how
it causes fear, maybe that's a tactic. Maybe that's an instinctive tactic in
this animal. I mean, that's I would like to think that's a reasonable
question. Oh sure, it is. Just imagine if we somehow have the
ability to study these guys just imagine how long it would take us to actually
figure them out. It would take forever. Well, I mean, you
know, from a scientific point of view, there's no way you can figure
this out unless you had a body. And yeah, even if you had
one, how you're going to contain it. You're talking about something that can
take a fully grown bull and throw it over a fence. Where are you
going to lock that up at? What kind of drugs are you going to
hit that with to calm it down? I mean, that's gonna be some
serious elephant tran I mean, I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't understand this.
Maybe we never were meant to understand this, because I think that you're
dealing with something on its level and we can't function that way. I think
it's seen when it wants to be seen. That doesn't mean it's not always
there. I think it's seen and felt when it wants to be seen and
felt. Could that be a spiritual thing? It could be a spiritual thing,
you know. I don't know. If we did somehow magically have the
ability to study these guys as they were alive, out and about doing their
thing, I think we'd wind up with more questions and answers unfortunately. Well,
I think that's where we're at now. How many people have seen this
thing and how more common is this becoming where people are starting to talk about
this thing. Bigfoot's been around since I guess the fifties as a patterned in
film or whatever it is. But you know, I mean how long.
Well, we've always had reports of dog Man. We just never understood it
because we're not paying attention to things like skin walkers and stuff like that.
Maybe it's a werewolf, I don't know. Maybe it is a shape shifter,
but I don't think so. I think it's a breed to itself.
I just think it's if you ever saw the movie Predator, that's what you're
dealing with. Yeah, that's a good way to sum it up. On
last week's show, you told us about the Genesis Room. You said that
was the first room in that key that you dug. How big was the
Genesis room though? Because you said that you, John and Beer all hid
from that dog mean in the Genesis Room. Let's see, I'm trying to
think it would be good. I'm trying to look around at something. I'm
looking around in my room, trying to think of a good dimension. It'd
probably be about six by eight feet as far as width, and it'd probably
be about eight feet tall. You could probably shove five people down in that
room if you wanted to. You could have put five people in there,
it sounds like, but I'm sure when that dolled meal was out in the
ballot, it was pretty cramped down there, especially having to spend so much
time down there. Well, yeah, to reiterate on that one thing,
I used to have a spade that we dug the cave with, and that
spade was so sharp. I don't know if you know too much about shovels,
but if you keep using them, you keep using them. They hone
a blade on them. So I had a spade. It didn't even have
a handle. I would just use it in one hand and dig. So
I had that, and John had another spade, but a regular shovel.
And we're sitting at the entrance to the cave down in the Genesis Room,
which the Genesis Room went down about. The entrance was opened on the side
of the cave, and the entrance was probably about three feet wide, and
then once you got in the cave, the room actually broadened out. We
had carved candle niches and you know, we had candles down there and all
that stuff. So there's really only room at that entrance for two people with
a shovel, So anything that was coming in was definitely going to get cut,
you know. I mean it would probably killed us, but we would
have gone down with a fight. And Bear, on the other hand,
and Bear's taller than any of us, Bears like tall is Bear. He's
probably about six foot three, big dude. And like I said, he
paid himself and his legs were quivering so hard he thought he was going to
have a heart attack. Me and John, it was just a question of
fight or flight. It's like, Okay, we're in this. We're gonna
do this. Whatever it is, we're gonna do it. I don't know
what it is, we're gonna do it. And that's a whole lot of
an adrenaline rush to shove on a thirteen fourteen year old, you know,
Oh it is. Yeah, that's one heck of a rush to shove on
a fifty year old or a sixty year old. So yeah, I get
it. Yeah, And you know, you don't know what you're looking at,
you know, is this a dream? What is this My first thought
and it's still my thought, is that whatever this is is some kind of
mutant thing and it lives in the sewers. That was my thought because we
were so close to that entrance that goes under the city of the drainage ditches.
And I made a mistake last week by calling it sewers. But it's
not really a sewer. It's a drainage ditch, and it's drainage that comes
from all the gutters and all the rain water that goes down city in suburba
or normal Memphis, or normal in any city. So yeah, somebody pointed
that out to me and they said, it's not a super system, it's
it's a drainage ditch. I was like, you know what, You're right,
and that is a drainage ditch. And I'll tell you something. That
creek was really strange place. I said that before and I'll say it again.
That creek with all that water, especially in the fall and in the
spring where I live in Memphis, in this general area, it rains a
lot. So this time of year or around this time of year, we
get this massive amount of water. It really doesn't even have to be that
much because it's all filtered to that creek, which is non kind of creek.
So that creek, that creek, the water level of that creek will
rise, and you wouldn't believe it would come up to almost our backyard that
high. It would get to the point to where it was like a raging
white water river, and you know, there's sometimes we'd be out there looking
at it and here comes a canoe or a kayak with four or five people
and it's going yeehaul and riding down these white water rapids. You know.
So there was always something weird going on down there, you know. And
then in the heat of the summer or the dead of the winter, that
creek its level would fall so low that you could walk over it might be
two or three inches because it's a tributary off the sewer systems. I think
they call it the non kind of creek watershed. So I'm not sure if
that thing was man built or if it was always there. I'm not sure
exactly. Well, regardless, it sounds like a new place to go explore
to me. I don't blame you for doing. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's great for being a kid. Yeah, Oh, no doubt, especially
at the time, because you know, we didn't have as much crime.
We didn't have well, I mean, there's always going to be creeps and
people out there that want to take advantage of you and stuff. But you
might be walking down the creek bed and you run into an ornithologist from the
University of Memphis. He's just out there, you know, studying birds and
studying redtail hawks. Or you might run into a geologist out there looking for
agots and crystals and courts and stuff like that. So you never knew who
you would run into. Out there. Sounds like a need area when it
was taunting you and the guys from outside the key. Did you ever hear
it digging like he was trying to dig you out or was it just moving
around out there? Now? The thing I can remember that sticks in my
head was a growling, which is a very deep growl, and branches breaking
like it was intending for you to know it was there, sticks, limbs,
stuff like that dry wood. And then it would get quiet, and
then it'd show up on the other side of the entrance to the cave and
he'd start doing the same thing. And it was almost like it was two
or three feet away from the entrance where you couldn't see it, but you
dare not stick your head out of that halt because that was probably sure death,
right, that was sure death. So you could hear it and it
would be growling and moving around, and didn't you hear it on top of
the cave. You'd hear it the leaves crackling, and it walking around,
breaking limbs and stuff like that and growling, and then you'd hear it on
the other side. And so I just saw it that one time. John
saw it twice. But John's not here to talk about it. I can't
remember if you told us last week. But how much do you think you
wade? I've thought about this, and I thought about my perceptions of size,
and wait, I'm thinking at least four hundred and fifty pounds. At
least it's not five hundred. It was lean, but it was built.
If it weighed close to that much, I hope it didn't spend too much
time directly above you because that could have caused well, I mean, that's
one thing. If you're going to do this, if you're going to dig
a cave, dig under the root system of a tree, because at least
you got that as a stabilizer, So that's kind of what we did.
So I don't think it would have mattered because you know, that root system
was extensive on top of the cliff side there that we were going into,
and eventually, if you go down far enough, you're gonna start hitting clay.
But still, it's not a good idea for boys and girls to be
out there doing this kind of thing. No, it's not. If you'd
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dog Mean Encounters dot com Forward Slash podcast. Did you ever smell any strings
scents down in that hole besides the PA and your buddy's pants, If you're
asking you if I ever smelled did he have a distinctive smell or anything.
I never smelled anything. It was nothing skunk like or wet doglike or any
of that stuff. No, it's weird, not trying to be funny,
but I'm sure the scent of p was pretty strong down in the Genesis room
though, wasn't it? Oh yet? Probably did? Probably? Yeah,
yeah, I'm sure I did, But I mean, you know, actually
I didn't even smell that I was not worried about it. I was not
worried about the pe I was not worried about the smell. I was not
worried about any of that. I was like, you know, I was
too busy trying to wrap my head about what is this? Why are we
being hunted? And I read a few comments. I haven't spent a lot
of time on the last show's episode, but somebody said some funny things.
It's like, it wouldn't have led Zeppelin fan. Okay, whoever said that,
you're really really funny? Okay, I like you, you're funny.
And somebody else said something about when I was talking about it, it's smiling,
that it wasn't smiling, that it was growling at us or grimacing at
us, And I was like, you know what, that makes total sense.
It wasn't smiling. That thing was showing its teeth. I wasn't a
smile. I'm not so sure about that. It just might have been a
smile. It's hard to say. Then again, I wasn't there. You
were, so, yeah, your judgment will be much better on that than
mine would be. Sad. I can't remember the exact words they said,
but they said it wasn't smile. It was a growl or a menacing posture,
which would make sense, especially by the way that thing's head works.
It looked like you how a snake has a interlocking jaw. Now snake can
like unlock its jaw and make its jaw bigger. It looked like that.
It looked like it could do that. That's a scary thought. Yeah,
that's very scary thought. But like I've said before, these guys don't have
any soft edges. Everything about them is pretty sharp and hard. Yeah,
yeah, definitely. And I am going to try to get back down there.
I just I just I don't know, I don't know. I just
uh, sometimes I want to go, and sometimes I think, I don't
know what am I doing. And then there's also the question of the police,
and there's people that live directly behind that or you know, I guess
it would be in front of that cave where you don't want to get down
there, and just you know, I have a whole bunch of cops show
up and going, you know, what are you doing down here? And
then you gotta go. Well, you know, and I was thirteen,
there was this thing down here, and I wanted to come down here and
see if it was still here, they're gonna lock me up. So yeah,
there is that. Hopefully that wouldn't happen. Well, you gotta sneak
in, you gotta sneak out. It's been so much time that's passed.
How sure are you that that cave is still there? Oh, the cave
is not there. I know for a fact the cave's not there. There's
probably no semblance of the cave after this time. I don't know if it
was dog Man or a bunch of kids. I think it was a bunch
of kids, because eventually, when we finished those two rooms, a well
three and the two hallways, we started going straight up. We did a
vertical tunnel all the way to the top where we had a hatch that opened
up, kind of like a missile silo or something like that. Of course,
us being kids, we didn't know how to seal that properly. We
should have had concrete and stuff around it. And we're using an old drum,
old fitty gallon drum, not a fitty gallon, but like five hundred
gallon drum or whatever. When those old drums and a hatch on the top,
and I think that we had a bunch of younger kids that came around
and left the top open, and when it started raining, it eventually washed
out, or it could have been dog man. I mean, it's not
like it wasn't loocked or anything. But I know for a fact that the
Memphis Police Department went down there several times and took pictures that they were just
blown away that somebody actually did this. I can understand why they would be
impressed and either that or just freaked out. It's like, what in the
world is this? Well, yeah, that too. You said that you
and your friends went straight to your house after you left the hole that morning
when the sun came up. The closest house was just fifty feet away.
But how far was your home from the kyve as a crow flies, Probably
about fifty yards, but you got to walk through woods to an open field
and then go about another hundred yards to get to the house. So you
know, we weren't about to go in the dark running through a whole bunch
of brambles, especially when it's on that side and you can hear it flanking
you. So we're trying to stay on the path get to the edge of
the woods, which we did, and then you hang a right and it's
about one hundred yards and these fields, this is where you're going to have
power lines. So that's why it's a field. That's why nothing's built there,
because it's TVA Tennessee Valley Authority area where they have power lines and structures
like that, where they're running power through the neighborhood and through the community.
I got a funny story about that too. By the way, bile means
please tell us no, no, no. I mean, we were just
destructive little kids when we were kids, and they started building those things.
When they'd get done putting them together, we'd go out there and take them
apart and just throw it in the Creek's stupid. Yeah, just boys being
boys. And they finally got to where they put locking nuts on the bolts
and the nuts because we did it so much. You guys were little miscreants.
Oh my god, you don't even know, Dick. If there was
trouble to get in, we probably got in it. I can only imagine
did anything ever happen at your house? It makes you think that it might
have visited you at home, Not that I can think of offhand, but
there are plenty things that happened on that creek where I'm pretty sure looking back
now, it was there. I made mention of the tree trunk shooting off
the side of a cliff about forty feet up and hitting the water. Stuff
like that. There were plenty of times where it would be a perfectly sunny
and nice day and you'd be down there just exploring as children do, you
know, watching butterflies and having fun and exploring and doing the things you do
when you're a child, and all of a sudden, this tremendous amount of
somebody is watching me and I need to get out of here right now would
come over you, you know, just total terror. So you would high
tell it, man, you would high tell it. You would run as
fast as you could do those woods, jumping up and down creek beds,
jumping up and down cliffs, as being a dog man as much as you
can be. And the funny thing is you get to the edge of your
backyard and you turn around and look, and all of a sudden that feelings
gone, feelings gone. You're like, you kind of think to yourself,
what am I so scared about? There are plenty of times we were down
there, or I was down there even alone, and you get that overwhelming
feeling that something is watching me and this is not natural. I gotta go,
I got to go. So you'd go and as soon as you'd hit
the safety of your house or you know, civilization or whatever, and it
would go away. There's a lot of things that doesn't make a lot of
sense about this to me, and I'm pretty sure it was it because I
think we're a lot like rabbits. I think we're a lot like food or
something where you know, it's like if you're gonna be hunted, you know
you're being hunted. You know, you instinctively know. You know. Nobody
has to tell you that something's out there and it wants to eat you or
kill you. So why is that? Why doesn't it eat you or kill
you? And why does it have this instinctive nature to install that fear in
you when it can sit back and not be seen and not even let you
know you're there. It's there? So why is that? Like I said,
there's probably more questions than there are answers to this thing. Maybe one
day, well maybe one day, but I'll highly doubt that, but time
will tell. Yeah, Well, I'm not sure it's still here. Like
I said, it's been so long since I've been down there. But it
could be I think we were in its way and it wanted us to go
away. That's what I think. And I think that there's something about this
thing that is capable, be it natural or supernatural, of installing fear in
people. Or it could be once again where the rabbits, it's the wolf
and that's just the nature of life. Our rabbit's going to know when it's
being hunted. It could be something so far off from you know, it
just could be instinctive. Because that's the thing too, is nobody wants to
admit it that we are animals. Nobody wants to admit that humans are animals,
but we are. We're part of this animal kingdom, just like a
rat or a fish or anything else, you know. So we have our
place in this world, and we still have that evolutionary concept of hunt or
be hunted or fear. So maybe it's just instinctive. That might be what's
behind the butt. I think it's a little more entailed than that, but
I could be wrong what I'm about to say, Keith. I'm sure it's
not going to come as a surprise to you. But unfortunately, there are
people who have listened to last week's show who are convinced that because they would
never go back out into the woods after you had that first encounter, that
must mean that you're lying about that encounter, because no one would do that.
But in sales, there's a saying, and that saying is you are
not your customers. What that means is just because you wouldn't buy something,
Ever, that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who would. So
the same thing holds true with your experience. Just because most people would never
go back to those woods or any woods after having an encounter like the one
that you had, that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who would
go back into the woods multiple times. So you can't play that game.
I just wanted to put that out there. Well, I think that's a
good point. I think my curiosity overrides my fear, if that makes any
sense. The curiosity of this story really overrides my fear, and I'm definitely
not making it up. So see, and that's the thing that for us
to sit down and talk about one specific encounter or a few encounters doesn't change
the fact of how many times we were out there where nothing happened. So
there was more times we were out there that nothing happened than happened. It
was a handful of times that things happened and the multitude of things that never
happened. And that's your backyard too when I was a kid. So for
me, it's not only curiosity, it's also a nostalgia because I grew up
there well too. For some people, that would serve as a magnet drawing
them into the woods. Yeah, but I can understand how anybody would say
that. I mean, it's certainly not a pleasant experience. I mean it's
not, you know, at least it wasn't. But I think it at
my age now, I can probably deal with it a little different. I
wouldn't be completely fearstruck. Well I might be. I don't know. I
probably would be for that man, But I still want to find out.
I think that's where the curiosity comes in with all of it. If you
do go back there, I hope you get some good answers and helps you
bring closure to all this. Well. Yeah, I mean I would like
to have answers for all of us. I'd like to sit down with this
thing and have a cup of tea and play some chests. But I don't
think that's going to happen now. I don't think so either. There's something
going on. Oh, I'd say there is. When you'd feel the overwhelming
sense of doom from time to time after the night you had that encounter,
you said you didn't see it those times. Did that almost make those experiences
worse than the time that you actually did see it? I would say yes,
because what you're dealing with there is something that is the unknown. I
mean, even if you're looking at something and you don't know what it is,
you're still looking at it. Yeah. Yeah, but hearing it or
feeling it is completely different than not seeing it and hearing it and knowing that
it's there to terrify you. Yeah, that does make it a lot different.
You told us about that reaccurring nightmare that you had for about twenty years
or so. How much trouble do you have present day dealing with that experience?
I don't. That nightmare lasted about twenty years literally, but I haven't
had that nightmare in a very long time. I wouldn't even if I did,
I wouldn't consider going back down there. So I'm trying to, I
guess in my own mind and put this somewhere behind me. And yeah,
I think you're right, have some closure and perhaps some understanding. More so
with the knowledge I have now compared to what I did when I was a
child or a young man. What a how are you want to put it?
Well, maybe I'm old too, but I think fourteen is definitely a
kid. Let's about time for us to get out if you're a Keith,
But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd like to share?
Absolutely? I do. I would like to say thank you again to
you and the service you do to the community of crypto its, especially Dogman.
And I would also like to say thank you to all the people that
came before me and gave me the courage to speak up about my experience.
And I hope that I can inspire others to come out and speak about theirs.
And I'd also like to say thank you to all the people that said
some nice things about me in the combat sections. And I appreciate your humor
and I appreciate all you guys. You're good folks. And if you ever
want to look me up, all you gotta do is look me up on
Facebook. Look up Gregory Keith Brooks. I have a my dog who's past
but she's a pitbull and she's wearing a booney hat. And then there's a
picture of me wearing a University of Tennessee hat. And if you find that,
you'll find me. So there can't be possibly too many guys named Gregory
Keith Brooks for Memphis and for in me and we'll talk about it and talk
to Vick. Come on his show. He's a good guy. He's going
to help you out because that's what he does more than anything, not only
document the stuff, but he also takes care of the people that come to
him with these issues. And listen to him. And thank you again,
Vick. Well you know you're welcome. Well, I can't thank you enough
for coming on the show when shooting that experience number one, but especially for
coming back tonight and answering all these questions. I really appreciate it. Not
a problem, sir. Thanks again so much for your time, and have
a great night.