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Be following is a presentation of play
fly sports properties. Change. My guys,

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they're trying to turn the goal line. What is the good my hands?

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You know? Pass half up?
Here comes the futon. How the

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sideline standard shot down? This said
three safeties go back inside the ten yard

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line, and said nicktoon, but
they put Jared abraderis back here instead?

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Three and an rush tysens on the
last play of regulation, chucks itto the

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end zone coup plus against takes cut
it. How a rebound tut hold on

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it is just short of the end
zone. Instant replay will take a look

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at this. Bess Spartan's caught the
ricochet. They want the touchdown. Instant

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replay will have to decide. Now
ball was caught by Keith Nichol. Take

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a look. Abradaris gets in the
air and gets a hand on it.

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Nichol is right in the front.
It comes right into his hands. Does

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the ball cross the plane? Taylor
is fighting like crazy to prevent it from

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breaking the plane. Wait, it
was really close, really close. Look

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at abra Daris gets up in the
air, the ball goes off with Sims

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and Cunningham. Nichol is right there
and Taylor's doing everything he can to keep

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the ball away from breaking the plane, so instant replay will decide it.

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Remember the call on the field is
no touchdown, indisputable to turn this over.

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Remember that as Nichol was battling and
Taylor had him wrapped up. After

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further review, the runner did cross. The Riots touchdown on Michigan State with

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a merrittle ending. Nice trip down
memory lane. Going back to the twenty

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eleven Wisconsin game in Spartan Stadium,
the legendary rocket pass Kirk Cousins to Keith

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Nickel at the end of regulation.
Spartans win that game thirty seven to thirty

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one. Guys, this is Sparta. I'm your host, Jasons ray Horn,

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along with my co host Otis Wiley
and Jake You too, cho Call

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Kraick, Oh did you kill me
with that? Today? I mean,

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it's home coming week, gentlemen,
homecoming week. Everybody's excited. We're going

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to see a lot of former players
and people who are gone here from years

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past, decades ago, getting back
in these lands and gonna have a great

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time. Right, Yeah, it's
definitely gonna be a great time. Homecoming

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is a special time. You know, you load the kids, the wife

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in the car. You take them
to the old stomping ground, see how

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it is done back in your day. So it's really exciting. You know.

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Obviously we're not having the season that
we wanted to have this year,

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but I think, you know,
this is a very winnable game for the

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Spartans, and you know, with
former guys coming back, you know,

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hopefully that can draw some extra energy
to the players to perform. I'm laughing

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because, oh jees, he's backing
up the family and take it to those

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stomping grounds. I'm looking at like
a lot of people. When you drive

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around, you're gonna see familiar faces
that you you haven't seen in a while.

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You don't have like warm embraces.
You gotta think about COVID man.

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COVID kind of put a damper on
a lot of our stuff in the past,

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you know, three what two seasons, two and a half seasons,

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So it's an opportunity to see familiar
faces. You got some Spartan dogs coming

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back. You know, we got
our Spartan dog dinner at the catalog after

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the game. You So it's gonna
be it's gonna be great, man.

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I think this is the opportunity to
capture the awareness and like the awe of

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football tailgate homecoming field because our,
like you said, season is not as

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fruitful right now. But I'm looking
forward to seeing a lot of people coming

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back to campus. East Lancer absolutely, And this year's homecoming theme is Spartans

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Bring the Magic, celebrating Spartans around
the world creating real life magic by making

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the world a better place. And
MSU Hall of Famer. Your coach,

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our coach, my coach, all
of us. Jim Bibbs, legendary track

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coach for Michigan State, the first
black head coach at the university and the

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first black head coach in the Big
Ten. Uh. You know be it.

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Bibbs is gonna be here. He's
gonna be the grand Marshall for the

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parade. It's gonna be an exciting
time for everyone. You know, Jim,

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he was a guy. I mean
when you look at Jim Bibbs,

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his deep commitment to youth and passion
for sports has gained the respect of countless

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colleagues, athletes, parents and friends
nationwide. This year's homecoming parade begins at

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six pm on Friday, October fourteenth. The baraide starts at the Hannah Community

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Center, travels down Abbott to Grand
River and into campus at Farm Lane.

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dot MSU, dot MBU. All right,

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few weeks ago, just two weeks
ago, Wisconsin had a change at the

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head coaching position. Paul Chris was
relieved of his duties and interim head coach.

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Now Jim Leonard is the guy at
the helm. The former defensive coordinator

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spent a lot of time in the
NFL and really has had a stellar defense

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over the last five six years in
Madison. He goes one and zero with

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a big win against Northwestern forty two
to seven a week ago. Yeah,

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I think overall Wisconsin really likes Jim
Leonard as a as a head coach.

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I think if he continues to stay
the course, you know, he might

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not win win that their side of
the division there, But I think if

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he puts together a culture the players
are going to rally against him, He's

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going to have that interim title removed
and into full head coach. I think

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that's what a lot of Wisconsin faithful
really wanted, you know, to begin

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with. You know, Chris was
just you know, holding in the holding

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pattern there for Leonard because you know, end of the day, Paul christ

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did not have that bad of a
career at Wisconsin, but you know they

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wanted one of their homegrown guys.
A lot of great memories, you know,

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playing against Jim Leonard against him when
he was at Wisconsin and then turning

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to being his teammates when we're both
with the Buffalo Bills. Jim is,

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you know, a very football oriented
guy. He understands the game, He

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loves the game of football. He
wants to study the football. So he's

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going to have his team prepared to
come into Spartan Stadium because he understands what

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kind of environment it can be.
Yeah, you got to think about you

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know this, Koch Tucker is on
the water man. I mean, it's

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so similar to how we just went
up to Maryland and we had coach enos

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playing against him. So it kind
of rolls of reverse for for coach Tuck

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knowing that you know, his Badgers
in Alma Manor coming into the East Lanton.

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You know, I'm not trying.
I'm not gonna stay your sign on

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the stats here straight. But you
know, if you look at that last

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game that the Badgers uh, you
know, did to the Wildcats there Northwestern,

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it looks like coach Lennard is airing
that boy out and he's given touches

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to the running back, something that
we are experiencing right now. So you

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know, you're looking at twenty three
attempts rushing to one run back and then

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you got six touchdowns that are from
the receiving core. You look, they

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look like they're playing free and have
another nothing to lose mentality. So we

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we have our our we have our
our plate full here this weekend, man,

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as you know our woes, it's
it's gonna be a tough one.

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So and Badgers and Spartans, man, that that rivaly that was created with

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that, you know, Russell Wilson
Kirk Cousins era in the Big Ten championship

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down there Indianapolis when they first started
to create that. It's good man,

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So it's gonna be electric, I
think, no doubt about it. And

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getting into like what the defense from
Michigan State is gonna have to face us.

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Talk about the Wisconsin offense, and
you touched on it there owners you

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talk about junior quarterback Graham Mertz,
the guy who's averaging sixty four point one

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percent of as passes over fourteen yards
per completion, stard besting the Big Ten,

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good for nineteenth in the nation.
He's got a quarterback official rate about

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of one hundred and sixty three point
six. This guy is a guy who

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can throw the ball. They're gonna
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and he's gonna get it out to
his receivers. What do you think about

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that? On this as a defensive
back specialist, I am frustrated, Like

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I am truly frustrated that quarterbacks are
coming in here now and just licking chops

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like this. It's easy money right
here. It's easy, and so how

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do we fix it? Is truly
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We talked about it is we can't
have our self inflicting wounds of attention

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to detail and knowing your assignment because
what he just put on paper in stats

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last weekend, he's just carrying that
momentum into East Landson, regardless of if

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it's away game, road game.
So I honestly think that they don't have

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a backup for sure, because we
just saw in the news the back up

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hit the treasher portal. So you
also gotta just wear and tear. We

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gotta get to him and we have
to put pressure on him to help take

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off the heavy burden for the secondary
because there are some weaknesses that in order

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to cover our guys, which you
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He's sharing the rock too, so
equally equally being shared. So we just

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got to get to the quarterback to
put pressure on him so we can help

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time up miss time these balls in
these passes, because clearly if we don't,

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it's gonna be another one that we
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When what's yeah, what question is
when was the last time you think

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three people have sat together and talked
about Wisconsin football and talked about the past

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game first, I know, because
they're historically it's unusual. It's the run

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that rock, which is like,
I get it, Chris, Like we

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talked about coaches who have success early
and then just get complacent. And obviously

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we know this game is evolving and
it's you gotta you gotta evolve Transformer you

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don't get left behind. And you
saw kind of that how Wisconsin's just stayed

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stayed to with their their DNA for
the longest times. But you got to

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have a stud running back like they
usually have. But they have an average

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running back. It doesn't help.
They've always had decent receivers though, which

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which kind of blows my mind.
But they've also been fifty to fifty.

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So last game, I mean it
was a fifty fifty toss up, you

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know from I mean Jayu you got
if you got twenty three attenths man like,

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I mean you eating right, I'm
smiling, I'm smiling, I'm loving

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life. I'm hugging at oh see
people. After the game. We're getting

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twenty twenty three attempts in the game, five one hundred and thirty five yards

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correct, that's a great day at
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talking about. You're talking about Braylan
Allen, right, I mean, this

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is a guy who set the world
on fire as a true freshman a year

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ago, as a sophomore in the
last but it's a fifteen games, guys

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had one hundred yards and at least
eleven of those games over that stretch he's

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had eighteen hundred and fifty three yards. I mean, this is not an

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average running back by any stretch of
the imagination. And when the Badgers,

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when he reaches a hundred yards,
the Badgers are ten to one during that

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stretch. Just goes back to your
point, Jayu, when you talk about

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the importance of the running back position
and being able to run the ball and

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how that opens up many doors not
only for just the running back but also

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for the passing game. Wisconsin seems
to have it going correct. Oh yeah,

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definitely, Yeah, go ahead,
raising my hand because listen, elephant

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in the room now, boy,
one of the killer bees. That's what

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I was just gonna say. So
it's the question comes up like I get,

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I get, while he left,
I guess because clearly Braylen Allen is

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a stud. And then you got
Tamir uh Well, oh, Tess Lucy

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who is out apparently now with the
potential injuries, not gonna be there.

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But as a backup, you know, he's getting touches. But I'll let

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Jay you talk about the running back
piece because but that I just wanted to

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say, elephant in the room.
I was gonna ask the same question.

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I was gonna say, why do
you think Burger transferred because he saw you?

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You you take it as a running
back, all right? You you

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sit and you count number you you
in the running backs from me, You're

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like, Okay, I got this
guy here, I got this guy here,

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I got this There's only so many
carries that can go around. So

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this is what it is. And
that's the beauty of Wisconsin football. And

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I will be you know, first
one I took a visit, an official

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visit Wisconsin, one of my favorite
official visits that I took. I knew

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they like to run the ball from
you know, like the hair from going

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back to Ron Dain. You know
when he used to run the ball.

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PJ. Hill, you know all
those they love the big backs and they

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love to run the football. And
once you do that and Otis hit it

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on the head. He said,
Wisconsin has always had some good receivers.

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You got Jonathan Orr you know who
was there who crushed us. You have

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Lee Evans who played there. You
have some good, good receivers. But

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those guys became and they were sneaky
good because their run game overshadowed the past

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game. But when you when they
able to be balanced like they are,

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it really keeps a defense on their
heels. It really keeps the line.

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Okay, you have to be true
to your reads, and you have to

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be true to your keys and otis
senate the other day. You got to

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trust your eyes. You know you're
reading the guards. It's the guard pulling.

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Okay, it's a run. Is
he popping up? It's a pass.

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You have to read all those things. And coach Leonard coming in there,

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he has the mindset, I'm sure
when he went in to his first

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meeting as a head coach, his
first staff meeting, he said, guys,

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we have nothing to lose, all
right, let's let's play free,

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let's play loose, and at the
end of the day, let the chips

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fall where they may. So I
think it's it's gonna be a big test

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and a lot of that challenge is
going to go on to Michigan State's defensive

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line. Can they get pressure on
the quarterback and get penetration to stop the

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run game? Amen? Brother,
Amen that one. Well, yeah,

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no doubt about it. Man.
I mean it's gonna be a lot about

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the defensive lines mischign State to be
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as you just talked about. You
know, the Badgers have used five different

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line combinations. The only guy that's
the low starter who's been there throughout every

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start that's been the center Joe Tipman, junior offensive lineman that started every game

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this season. But they put together
their best effort against Northwestern. We're not

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saying Northwestern is one of the elites
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but they did put up one hundred
and ninety three yards on the ground and

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didn't allow us sat quarterback was sitting
back there pretty much untouched all week last

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week and all day last week,
Graham Mertz because of that offensive line.

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And you know, offensive line play
at Wisconsin as legendary by just name right.

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Oh my goodness, Like that's a
running backs dream. We see those

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logs in front of him. I'm
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it was always Wisconsin and Iowaul that
I'm like, I gotta I gotta go

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in the weight room and put on
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I gotta eat trip because it is
an aggressive, hardcore battle man.

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Those dudes they can run, they
are physical, and they feel like they

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never get tired. Like I feel
like that's the DNA and those two programs

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in Iowa and Wisconsin. I mean, straight you hit it on with the

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center being the loan old lineman.
That means to me and you could probably

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correct me if I'm wrong that that
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It's the strong nucleus that he's communicating, basically telling all these other guys where

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to go. I mean, talk
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this guy is the strong nucleus of
that offensive line for sure percent that's what

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the center does. That's why he's
probably the most valuable guy that they have

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right now, is because he understands
all five positions along that offensive line,

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and that is a valuable spot.
He's got to call out the passing protections,

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he's got to call out running styles
of whatever combinations blocks they have via

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a zone gap scheme, you know, inside outside zone, all those things

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that you have to have and be
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And you look at the past center
from Wisconsin, I'd be they've gone on

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to be not only NFL draft picks, but the NFL All pros. This

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is a very valuable position at Wisconsin. We talk about the offensive line play,

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the tackles. I mean there's always
a first round tackle. They put

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out lineman like Alabama puts out offensive
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line play for Wisconsin, they do
a phenomenal job and it looks like Leonard

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is going to continue that although he
is a defensive coach. And when we

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segue over to the defensive side of
the ball four Wisconsin, you look at

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who their sack master is and that's
junior outside linebacker Nick Herbig. He's Associated

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Press second team All American. He's
tied for second in the Big Ten right

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now and tenth in the country with
five sacks. He's a guy who had

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what nine sacks a year ago,
ring fourth of the Big Ten last year,

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and right now has forty six yards
for the sack, is fourth in

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the nation. This is a guy
who gets after the ball carrier. Yeah,

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definitely. So that's why this week
it's absolutely pivotal and huge that we

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get a heavy dose of Elijah Collins
in the game, not only because of

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the running game, because Elijah Collins
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It's that simple. You watch Michigan
State games, you see when they're

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throwing the ball late in the game, Elijah Collins is and when they're in

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the two minute drill, Elijah Collins
is the one in there because he's the

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most stout at pass protection. He
understands it more. So that's why it's

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important to have him in there and
have that balance of run and pass so

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defenses can't key when he's in Hey, it might be it's a pass or

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you know, different things like that. So that's why it's important to have

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them there. But Michigan State have
their hands full with the with the quote

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unquote sack master. I can't give
that name away because our guy Joonelle saying

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deec as the crew sack master.
But they're gonna have to do, you

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know, let me put an extra
guy on him running backs chip while they're

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coming out of the backfield. But
that's what they're gonna have to do.

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But with that, in order to
stop the pass rush, you have to

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have a little bit of aggressive offensive
scheme if you want to. If they

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want to be aggressive with the defensive
line and their defense, screen, game

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will be well, quick, game
will be well, and run into the

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blitz. Run the football, run
the football, and otis for you.

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You know. Last week, mister
State came up with the first interception of

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the season with Charles Brandley taking that
Paul back of the interception for CJ.

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Stroud to the house. Wisconsin brings
in some ballhawks, man. I mean

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you talk about junior safety Kimoe Lattu, who snagged a pair of interceptions last

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week against Northwestern, which moves Wisconsin
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season. That ranks number one the
Big Ten, tied for number two read

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in the country. Being the ball
hawk oldest kind of helps. Yeah.

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Absolutely, I feel like that that
that read I don't even got to add

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to it. I mean that is
the number one weapon for anybody's program.

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That you got guys out there just
sniffing blood, running around like just bandits.

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Man, Like you, you know
that you can't sit here and loft

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the ball. You can't throw underhand, you can't underthrow it. You've got

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to be spot on. If you
ain't spot on, you need to take

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a sack or you need to throw
it away. And you got to be

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smart with that decision maker. Obviously
I didn't play quarterback, but I've read

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a lot of quarterbacks eyes shouldiers and
it's an opportunity for Peyton to take how

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to level up and get that decision
making precision back to where it was last

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last year. But those obviously those
first two games too, But this is

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the opportunity for him to truly like
this is almost like not a put up

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or shut up opportunities for this game, but I think it's an opportunity for

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him to showcase the Peyton Thorn coach
mindset that we've been talking about his leadership.

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We got to bring that up.
So it's the best part is you're

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going against the one of the top
secondaries in the nation. Let's level up.

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Let's level up and see what we
can do. Yeah, and that's

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why that's why for Peyton Thorn and
its receivers, communication is going to be

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key. They have to be on
the same page. Otis because if you

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have secondary guys out there that are
ball hawks swarm into the football and flying

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to the football. You and your
receivers have to be on the same communication

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wavelength. Your offensive line have to
give you time. You have to do

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timing routes with your receivers because the
receivers they have an advantage over the dbs.

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They know where they're going. They
know if he's a comeback, you're

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going to twelve, back to ten. So that has to be there.

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So everyone has to be on the
same page, especially against a defense and

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a secondary like co Wisconsin's. For
any secondary, the best friend of any

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defensive back would be the past rush. And we want to talk about pass

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rush. We're going to bring on
a pass rush legend in Michigan state history.

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Durrell Worthy, what's up, Jirell? How you doing? Man?

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Happy? You know, anniversary to
the big win that we had over Wisconsin.

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You have a pretty good game yourself. Man. Well, collectively,

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Man, we had some adversity,
you know, obviously on the field.

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Off the field, we had a
lot of things going around in our organization

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that we had to put to the
side in order for us to get a

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win. But man, just to
think about and hear about those memories that

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you guys are running back through my
head. Man, it just shows that,

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you know, we've come a long
way as a program. We understand

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that we're taking our punches right now
as a and during this year. But

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just to see where we've we've been
able to to grow from where we started

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is it's just it's just an unbelievable
feeling. So I'm I'm excited to be

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here with you guys. I'm excited
to grace the show. A lot of

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Spartan dog legends in the room,
man, So I'm definitely honored for sure.

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Right I said, tight, I'm
glad you brought. That was a

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nice little segue to lead them into
it. Got I forgot about because is

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the most sweating man I've ever seen
in my life, more than you.

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Straight You dude stays carrying the town
with it's sixty degrees in this hotel.

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He gots between him and coach talk. I don't know who swept more.

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Listen, we are always down then, Like what you guys got to understanding,

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no matter what, we're always down. The man, I'm a I'm

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a lively person. So when I
get in those atmospheres that around my brothers,

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guys that I've definitely grinded with.
Man, I get a little,

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a little jender in the rush,
man, so I got to keep a

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towel on me at all times.
Right now, I'm cool, though,

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you know. So, yeah,
Man, I didn't know. I didn't

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know. Look, I didn't know. Look all of y'all dressed well,

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y'all all come to the game.
I said, Look, so I didn't

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know, especially oldest. Look,
I didn't know. Yeah, Man,

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Like, so let's talk we just
before you came on, Man, we

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were talking about how each level on
the defense. You know, you and

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I played obviously under coach d and
uh Our Doozy, and so we always

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knew that if the front line is
getting pressure, that that that just trickled

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down to effects. And the success
rate of us getting off the field is

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obviously way more than what it is
if you don't get us. But I

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mean, let's talk about and I
wish we could play. Let's talk about

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that. It's a real worthy get
off, like the timing that you were

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like, I don't know how you
did it, but it was so so

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strategic, so magical that you would
get off and centers be like, yo,

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like what just happened, talk about
it and then as you talk about

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it, you've been watching the spartans
and defense and our defensive players not as

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up to par as it used to
be. Right right now we're taking our

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lumps, but talk about what you're
seeing too on what they need to do

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better to get get get to the
quarterback. Yeah, I mean just I

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would start with just I would say
from growing from the things that I went

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through, is when you're playing in
an attack for three defense, a lot

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of that stuff is skilled, but
it's anticipation and understanding what an offense is

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going to give you. One of
the things that that allowed me to have

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such a successful get off. It's
really that Monday that I was able to

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get up there in the office with
a lot of the coaches and I understood

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what was coming that that that week
as far as you know plays, as

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far as what offense is like to
run, the tendencies and things of that

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nature. So you know, from
having yes, yes, talent, but

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honing in some skills as far as
learning how to study and offense and understanding

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what what plays they like to run, and those week points where I actually

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can take a chance and try to
get in the backfield because you know,

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at the end of the day,
even though my get off was really,

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really, you know, it was
nice, there was also there was also

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times in which you know, I
had to be, I would say,

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a person that worked well within the
whole parameters of the defense. And so,

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you know, I couldn't just be
continuously running up field and flying up

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field all the time because you know, they'll leave gaping holes. And I

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know that Greg, and I know
Greg and those guys behind me never liked

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when I was definitely doing my own
things. So I just wanted to it

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had to work within the parameters of
our scheme. And so Coach Nardoozi and

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Coach Barnett, Coach Gil these guys
were able to teach me the right moments

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in which I can get off on
the football and be effected for our football

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team. What I'm seeing that just
transition over to this year. I see

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that just from a defensive line perspective, we get a lot of pressure from

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the outside guys, a lot of
the defensive ends, but we're starting to

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see a lot of the defensive tackles
just in the interior not be as aggressive

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upfield. I think that first second
down opportunities where you're really trying to establish

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the line of scrimmage is where a
lot of our defensive linement are just not

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taking advantage. They kind of wait
until we get to third down, where

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essentially a lot of our hard work
has to get done on that first second

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down. Like one thing coach Gil
taught us is that, like we've got

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to earn the right to rush the
passer. And I think that you know,

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defensive vents they kind of you know, with play action pass, you

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know, the way that the game
has changed, they have a little bit

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more opportunities to rush the passer.
But when you're in that interior, man,

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we've got to establish a line of
scrimmage a lot better than what we're

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doing right now. And then and
that attacking three technique is essentially what is

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essentially key to to an attacking four
three four two five defense. And right

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now, we just need to see
a little bit more enthusiasm by guys in

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the middle. They have great girth, great size. I mean, these

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guys are you know, essentially like
pro NFL style bodies at a collegiate level.

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Uh, we just need to start
seeing those guys display their speed,

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their athleticism and their strength when it
comes to getting in the backfield. That

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was great. I mean, you
know from an offensive line perspective, I

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could talk about that too with you
Durell. You know, a guy coming

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off the ball and just trying to
bull rush h Tiior three linemen. I

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mean, that's a dream for us. We wish guys a bull rush all

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day. There's very few human beings
that can bullrush effectively to the point where

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you know it makes you just have
to worry about it because all we do

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is anchor in. You're gonna try
to push pull. That ain't gonna work

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either. If the guy's any good, especially against an offensive line like Wisconsin,

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that what you would do. Like
in college sports, defensive linemen are

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pretty good when they have one or
two moves. You know, you're looking

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at swim move or you should be
able to get off the ball and get

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a swim move. You know.
Obviously the rip suspends those kinds of things,

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being able to spend and counter.
And now you know everybody's talking about

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the long arm, right you see
that being effective from a defensive end coming

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in with a tackle that's not you
know, hit that inside peck and drive

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him into the quarterback. But I
see like our interior line is trying to

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00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.880
do I don't know if they're they're
not converting from running pass very quickly.

408
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.279
They're trying to do a bullrush slash
long arm and it's just very slow and

409
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.440
not getting pushed in the pocket and
they're not getting off. So there's no

410
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:07.039
the quarterbacks basically eating having picnic back
there. Right yeah, I think right

411
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.880
now, just just from my perspective, I see, I think you're we

412
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:15.240
start to see a lot of the
defensive linemen just kind of being not They're

413
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.440
not moving as much. I would
say, you know, having three techniques

414
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:21.640
knife and down to the to the
to the A gap running twist on the

415
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:27.279
inside versus the run. I think
eventually when you have you have your nose

416
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.920
and your three technique attacking setting pressure
in that A and B gap, it

417
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.920
really allows a lot of the blenters
to open up. Like everyone knows hot

418
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.880
main magic, you know where you
have the cross dogs, the cross dog

419
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:44.119
in the middle with the mike and
the wheel linebacker. Essentially that only works

420
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.119
when you have a three technique and
a nose guard that is athletic enough to

421
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.160
get upfield and create that type of
pressure. Right now, we're seeing a

422
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:57.160
lot of the interior guys when they
run that specific blintz Old lineman guards have

423
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.240
an opportunity to pass block the defensive
line and then push him out to towards

424
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:07.200
the tackle and still have enough athleticism
to come back inside and guard the cross

425
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.599
dog in the middle. And so
for us, that's where we need to

426
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.240
start seeing the three technique and the
nose really take advantage. When that office

427
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.759
of guard passes us off and he
essentially leaves us, that's when we need

428
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.160
to be turning our hips and headed
back towards the quarterback. And so for

429
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:29.720
me, realistically, the only way
that we allow we we correct these things

430
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.480
is more so in practice. And
I just think at the end of the

431
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:37.279
day, we need to start to
showcase. We need to start the show

432
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.039
and showcase a little bit more of
just some older clips possibly of just where

433
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.440
this where the technique was successful,
not even necessarily just myself, because there's

434
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:51.119
been you know, hellified three techniques
that are played before me. There's been

435
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:53.880
guys that have had success at this
in this scheme of defense, even prior

436
00:33:54.119 --> 00:34:00.240
and after my departure from Michigan State
as well. So I think if going

437
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.559
back and showing how the defense works
in its entirety, you need those front

438
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.079
four guys up there raising hell.
That gives the guys in the back end

439
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:14.519
opportunity to actually make plays on the
football and come up and actually be effective

440
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.840
in the past game, moving guys
around up front, like I said before,

441
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.639
having a variety of different run stunts
that out that opens up your your

442
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:28.559
pass rush stunts by all, and
also realistically being a little bit more creative

443
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.320
in the secondary. I know that
you know, our overall scheme is just

444
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.079
trying to make things look the same
from a Cover four perspective, and we

445
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.320
try to roll and we move Cover
two and Cover three, and we're trying

446
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:43.559
to roll and do things I would
say after the ball is snap. But

447
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.400
I think primarily if we can just
get a little bit better at our disguises

448
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.599
a little bit and moving guys around
and just kind of allowing them to play

449
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:54.360
a little bit looser instead of more
so just kind of stuck at on the

450
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.920
hashes, then I think at the
end of the day then that that that

451
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.000
will allow us to just have more
fun, right because at the end of

452
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:06.159
the day, on defense, it's
not more. It's not like structure like

453
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.639
offense, where every piece has to
you know, go in place for us

454
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:13.559
to score. Like defense, we
can be successful in the chaotics, you

455
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.159
know, in a chaotic environment,
you know, everything doesn't necessarily have to

456
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:21.000
go right for us in order for
us to have success. We just need

457
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.039
to be running to the football with
all eleven hats, and essentially some things

458
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:30.000
come our way just off pure effort
and want to and so those are one

459
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.880
of the those are That's That's one
of the things I pointed out earlier this

460
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:37.760
year was just really the level of
talent hasn't necessarily changed with Michigan State.

461
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.840
If anything, it's gotten better from
some of the recruits that we've had coming

462
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.480
in from the transfer portal and things
of that nature. But it's really more

463
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.920
so the desperation, like the will, the want to and and and guys

464
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.599
really scratching and clawing for every single
play, every single opportunity, every single

465
00:35:54.599 --> 00:36:00.320
possession. I know that you know
otis j U Jason, You guys,

466
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.840
we've all felt the pressure of having
somebody just a talent just as talented us,

467
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.920
just as talent as us, right
there next to us. That increase

468
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.719
our level of play, within practice, within games, how I prepare,

469
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.559
I walk through everything, and I
just think that right now, you know,

470
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:22.320
we have the level of talent,
but it's just not we're not seeing

471
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.440
the level of desperation right now when
it comes to making the extra block.

472
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:29.840
A guy's running away from you,
laying out, trying to get a trying

473
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.039
to grab an ankle, trying to
get a heel. You know what I'm

474
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:36.440
saying. When we got a screenplay
office, a line in downfield, trying

475
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.880
to be as aggressive as possible at
the at the next level. And I

476
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:44.960
think once we start to fine tune
some of those those those little details,

477
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.199
then I mean we can have we
can have our way with a lot of

478
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:51.559
the competition in our in our conference
right now, because it's not the fact

479
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.679
that we don't have talent, it's
just finding ways to get all that talent

480
00:36:54.760 --> 00:37:00.159
to mesh to where we can be
as effective as possible. That's a that's

481
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.400
a great point that you make there, Brow. I have a question to

482
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.360
that, because you talked about,
you know, that desperation and that extra

483
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:13.480
effort and everything. But one thing
that I saw, you know, watching

484
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.840
defenses, when I played watching you
guys, when you played. Even in

485
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:21.320
practice, there was a lot of
people having fun on the defensive side of

486
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.519
the ball. Yeah, it's fun
mean that, you know right now?

487
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.079
Do you think you know, obviously
the college game have changed a lot a

488
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:35.480
little bit, you know, with
nil transfer portal and everything. Do you

489
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.920
think people are starting to treat this, especially the guys in the defense,

490
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.000
as a job as opposed to just
going out having fun and the next level

491
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.239
was gonna come? What do you
think about that? I think the NIL

492
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:53.320
definitely has has changed the mindsets of
a lot of the incoming players. It's

493
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.480
going to change the mindsets of future
players where it comes to how they treat

494
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.519
themselves. To see, a lot
of players run themselves more like a business

495
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:07.199
than than an actual amateur athlete.
And and then and in some cases that's

496
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:08.679
okay, uh, But at the
end of the day, it's still a

497
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:15.159
child's game that you pay adults to
play, you know. And so the

498
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:19.679
the love of the game, the
love of and passion that comes with football,

499
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.880
it's got to more so be instilled
than you I don't think there's something

500
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:27.960
that actually can just draw you in
to want to go run through somebody's face.

501
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.920
You know what I'm saying, like
there's no amount of money realistically that

502
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:36.199
it's gonna just like if you don't
necessarily have that direct passion, that's just

503
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:37.800
gonna all of a sudden give you
a passion and want to go, hey

504
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.880
man, look let's go do Oklahoma
drill for the rest of the practice.

505
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.840
Like there's you know, it's got
to be within you. It's got to

506
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:49.079
be it's got to be something that's
organically built. And I think at the

507
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.639
end of the day, like we
have a lot of guys within our locker

508
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:57.400
room that are actually that are actually
built like that and that actually represent what

509
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.800
what spartanation wants them to be.
But I think at the end of the

510
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:04.800
day, right now, we're just
not seeing a lot of the guys.

511
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:09.280
We're just not seeing it happening at
happening at critical points of the game as

512
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:14.239
well as once we start to see
a little bit adversity. I remember last

513
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.280
year, one thing I realized and
I loved about last year's team is that

514
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.360
like there was times where they got
hit in the mouth, Like it wasn't

515
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.360
like, you know, there was
we were just blowing guys out and the

516
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.800
fleet Flicker worked every game and things
like that. There wasn't you know what

517
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.760
I'm saying, Like, it wasn't
a direct like we were just running running

518
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.599
away with things. But when we
got hit in the mouth and coach might

519
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.679
call it time out or there was
a TV timeout or there was something that

520
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:45.599
allowed us to regroup. You saw
guys not from the coaching perspective, but

521
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.639
from the player perspective. Hey,
let's come in, let's bring it in,

522
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.079
let's talk about it. What is
going on and why are we not

523
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.840
performing at the high level. And
then all of a sudden, when you

524
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:59.519
saw guys come back together. You
see what happened against Michigan. We can

525
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.039
be down in a in a late
game and come back against a really good

526
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.320
opponent. Because again, even though
I didn't like to see it, I

527
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.199
mean those guys ended up in the
college football playoffs, which which which goes

528
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:15.440
to show that at the end of
the day, we have to do every

529
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.000
single detail right in order for us
to be successful. We don't have the

530
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.000
type of I would say, the
five six star guys where we can just

531
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:24.639
like hey, man, get out, man, go ahead, and and

532
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.840
let me get you another guy.
Now. Obviously we will be there at

533
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.360
at one point we're going to be
there at some point. With Tuck and

534
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:36.280
the way they're recruiting and our breast
of their doing things, I have no

535
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:37.760
doubt that we're going to be able
to have that guy that we can just

536
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:39.480
say, man, hey, you're
running four to two, all right,

537
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.360
nowhere I get out. We got
we got a four to three guy.

538
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.119
We gonna do just as well with
him. And I think, you know,

539
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:51.639
it's just creating a level of competition
within practice, creating a level of

540
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.719
competition within the nil I think at
the end of the day, you know,

541
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.199
it doesn't necessarily matter about who's the
highest paid guy on the team,

542
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:02.920
Like you have to create that level
of competition within everything you do nowadays,

543
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:10.119
just because we just see this generation
not necessarily be have an attachment to one

544
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.679
single thing, like how we grew
up where it's like, all right,

545
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.639
I got my I got my race
car, I got my favorite jersey,

546
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:20.360
I got this, like there's nothing
that's gonna separate me from that. Where

547
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.559
we're in this generation now with so
many options that they have at their disposal,

548
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:29.960
like it's it's hard to get them
to buy in collectively over the long

549
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.880
term. And then they's then so
for coaches, they have to find creative

550
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:38.039
ways to increase that level of competition
every single day and that's what's gonna draw

551
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:44.360
guys in and that's what's gonna help
build camaraderie. So I think at the

552
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:45.639
end of the day, we have
the right coaches in mind to do that.

553
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:51.159
It's just got to be it's gotta
be something that's that's honed in on

554
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.840
every single day, and it's realistically, it's got to come from the players,

555
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:59.760
because I mean, this coaching staff
has produced players at everywhere they go.

556
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:02.559
And you know, I see a
guy like Harlon Barnett Otis you've been

557
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:06.800
you've been in the same room with
him. You understand how detail he is.

558
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.639
You understand how you know he's extremely
No, this is what I'm saying,

559
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:19.760
he's extremely detailed. I've seen guys. I've seen guys that that that

560
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.519
have might not even have had a
shot to make our roster get with him,

561
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.199
and they are now playing at a
high level or even on Sundays.

562
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.559
And so for for us, what's
different, you know what I'm saying,

563
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.719
Like, what what's what's extremely different
from a guy that has produced you know,

564
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.719
at least three first rounders that I
know of, and then all of

565
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.000
a sudden a handful of guys that
are still competing at a high level.

566
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.480
There should be no there should be
no drastic drop off like how it has

567
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:51.079
been, how like how it's been
the last two years. And so I

568
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.679
mean, obviously that's a combination of
just a connection between players and coach.

569
00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:00.719
But then also that that's that also
goes back to players and and reallyasically buying

570
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:06.400
in and wanting to be extra and
do extra and and set aside. Man

571
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:08.599
Like when once you get that money
in college, it's hard, it's hard

572
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:13.519
for guys to really like like buy
in, Like it's hard for them to

573
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:19.480
really see another level of success.
I would say, like like your future.

574
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.360
You feel what I'm saying, Like
one thing about us we knew,

575
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.079
Okay, if I do well with
this, if I if I, if

576
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.719
I listen to my coaches, if
we perform well as a team, the

577
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:34.239
higher our team goes, the more
opportunities each one of us individually get.

578
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.960
Like then that's where people don't understand
it, Like we might have an NL

579
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.920
guy or an ni L guy over
here making this amount of money, but

580
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.880
then you might have this the guy
that plays directly next to him trying to

581
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.280
find for food. So at the
end of the day, it's it's a

582
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:52.320
lot different now, and I think
you just have to find creative ways to

583
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:57.199
to build camaraderie as well as increase
competition. Now you said something there,

584
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.360
Darella, minute ago, you talked
about you know what's gonna make you want

585
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.519
to run through somebody's face, right, And now that to me is the

586
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.880
only the only place on the planet
where you can convunt down the V word,

587
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.000
and that's violence, right, is
on the football field. And that

588
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.480
there's no weight classes, there's really
not. There's some limitations of what you

589
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.199
can do. Obviously you can't kick
people, throw people around, but you

590
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.360
can do it just about everything else
to people in that game. And and

591
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.760
having even on the offensive side of
the ball, you know, for being

592
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:29.559
a good offensive lineman, you have
to play what we call on the verge

593
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:31.679
of a rage, right. You
got to be controlled but almost raging.

594
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:38.519
You know, defense, it's like
junkyard dog mentality out there. You want

595
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:42.239
to try to stay in your lane
a little bit, but you got to

596
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.039
you got to be that guy almost
like a Tasmanian devil, like to be

597
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.280
unblockable where it's like, Okay,
this guy's violence at the end of the

598
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.199
day. But if you're just you
know, and I don't know if it's

599
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.400
the nil, if it's neutral thinking, if it's the way kids are right

600
00:44:55.440 --> 00:45:00.239
now, but you're talking about finding
a creative way. What is is it

601
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.719
that was within you that you said, you know what, like besides maybe

602
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.719
like getting motivated for the future of
the NFL, I think if you took

603
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.280
that away, you still was gonna
beat you. You're still gonna have to

604
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:14.519
get off that was still gonna have
to beat the center guard to the to

605
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.599
the point of attack and get to
the quarterback. So what is it that

606
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:21.920
you had in your mental makeup before
you got the missign state that allowed you

607
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:27.320
to propel through college ranks and into
the NFL. To be honest with you,

608
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.440
man, I was blessed to play
with a lot of great players,

609
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.039
and I think, you know,
I had a great mindset, but there

610
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.480
was a lot of players that helped
me like really shape and grown my mentality

611
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.119
until to actually to actually grow the
confidence to know I can be at that

612
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.079
level, you know, from a
high school level. I think you know,

613
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.039
I was able to play with guys
that went to Ohio State, Michigan

614
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.239
State, I mean Cincinnati. I
mean, you know, Coach D was

615
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.920
coming from Cincinnati. So there was
other recruits that were, you know,

616
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:01.440
a part of the regime before me
that helped groom that mindset and mentality.

617
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.760
And then really it's realistically an important
factor was I mean my parents were My

618
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.880
parents struggled, you know, I
think I realized that, you know,

619
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:14.360
when I first got to Michigan State, I had to I had to sit

620
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.000
out a while just because of some
transcripts and in a in a school that

621
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:23.039
wanted funding or not funding, but
money I would say old tuition that I

622
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.840
owed, so they wouldn't allow me
to be a part of Michigan State even

623
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:29.280
though I was on campus. I
actually had to sit away from the team

624
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.360
for a while. Uh. Going
through those hardships my parents, uh,

625
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.800
things of that nature that would that
helped, like I would say, grow

626
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:42.559
my my will to fight, uh
and and understand that nothing was given.

627
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.559
Coach D sticking by me when I
had a torn a c l during my

628
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.000
senior year and still giving me an
opportunity to come up to Michigan State,

629
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.119
knowing that at that time I would
still damage goods. And you know,

630
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:59.400
he gave me an opportunity to to
to still live out my dream. I

631
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.280
think, uh never taken something like
that for granted. Actually helped increase my

632
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.239
mentality. But then once I got
to Michigan State, Man, you're talking

633
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.679
about you know Kershaw, you got
Trevor, Trevor Anderson, You've got Warren

634
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:15.079
Wilson, Kyler Nilly, You've got, you got you know, Greg Jones.

635
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.639
I mean, b long we've had. There was guys that were legitimately

636
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:27.039
in front of me that helped like
create that dog because even though we actually

637
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.239
worked well as a defensive line,
we were in such competition with each other

638
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.679
that I mean, I mean,
to be honest with you, we would

639
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.559
be in the meetings rooms like man, you got finished, you got folded,

640
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.440
I mean, and we would just
always compete against each other on an

641
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.239
everyday basis. I mean, my
talent, my talent was on display.

642
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.760
But I mean, to be honest
with you, I have to credit a

643
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.559
lot of my teammates around me that
helped mold and shape my mentality. Man,

644
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.239
I think you know, talent,
what's talent is what got me to

645
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:01.079
the front door. But my ability
to to adapt and learn and grow into

646
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:07.840
a skill and really displayed by my
teammates before me is what actually helped propel

647
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:15.480
me to that next level and be
sustainable at the next level. And what

648
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.119
yearsually come in again? So I
came Yeah, I came in in two

649
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.960
thousand and eight. Uh, you
guys were coming off the Bowl game with

650
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:28.639
with Matt Ryan and in Boston College. Yeah, I watched that game.

651
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.760
Man, I ain't gonna lie it. I was. I was on crutches

652
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.079
and an immobilizer watching that game.
I was supposed to go down and to

653
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.519
Florida and watch it. And what
was so funny is my aunt went to

654
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:50.480
the game without me, Like,
my look, they hit me with this

655
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.880
man and I'm talking about they were
they were going and they sent me picks

656
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:57.039
from the game and I'm at the
house and all all laid up. And

657
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:00.440
so I mean, man, I
definitely I came in in O eight.

658
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:06.519
I had an opportunity to stay one
final year in twenty twelve, but I

659
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:09.039
opted out to kind of have an
opportunity to pursue my dreams. Man.

660
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:13.800
But I think, to be honest
with you, I miss college so much.

661
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.800
I just miss just the pure obviously
it's not as pure now. I

662
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.679
would say it's a little bit more
saturated now just because of you know,

663
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:27.039
obviously the nil. But realistically,
I just missed every part of the process

664
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:30.960
man, that that we went through, and there was a lot of life

665
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:35.519
lessons that I was able to learn
during my time on that campus that that

666
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.960
actually shaped me into the man I
am today and allows me to go in

667
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:43.920
other spaces and and be dominant.
You know, every Michigan State spartan that

668
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:49.519
I've met outside of football or in
a different environment and setting the same fundamentals

669
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.239
that that we've learned, the same
mindset, the same spartans will never die

670
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:58.440
thing is is really uh, it
really resonates in a lot of Michigan State

671
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:02.360
alumni across this country. So I
would say I've been I made a great

672
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:07.039
decision man, being a part of
a great, great, great program,

673
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:12.280
great organization like Michigan State. Sure
you real quick. So you know,

674
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:17.159
we we started this podcast because we
all know it. Football is life is

675
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:22.360
bigger than football. So we started
because you know, it's the familiar voices

676
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.639
of guys who were the Green and
White, went through the highs and lows.

677
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.559
Yeah, every year you have injuries
and try to battle tests and go

678
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:37.960
through stuff. But well, like
talk about what you're doing now in your

679
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.760
profession. You know, your working
your work nine to five, but you

680
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.079
know entrepreneurship because I know you always
you got things cooking. But kind of

681
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:52.199
tell spartanation and tell like what you're
doing right now? Uh yeah, man.

682
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.079
So since transitioning from the NFL,
I've officially retired in twenty twenty,

683
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:02.400
but now I had an opportunity to
work with an NFL transition program called Ascending

684
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:07.079
Athletes. And one of the great
things about that is they have an opportunity

685
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:15.360
to get you connected with several different
Fortune five hundred companies and and so you

686
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.800
have an opportunity to interview with these
guys, share your dreams, your goals,

687
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:21.679
and things of that nature of what
you want to do. And I

688
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.800
have the privilege to getting connected with
Key with. Key with is a national

689
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.039
engineering contractor, which you know,
obviously you would have to talk to a

690
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.199
guy like Ross Weaver that we went
to school with. He went you know

691
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:37.719
what I'm saying, Like, like
Ross went to school for engineering. I

692
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:44.199
technically don't have an engineering background,
but the a lot of the skill sets

693
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:49.280
a lot of the processes in which
we've learned throughout sports. The ability to

694
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.639
speak, the ability to see,
uh, to meet a challenge head on

695
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:57.960
is a is really a lot of
the characteristics that a lot of companies are

696
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.360
looking for at the next level.
And so UH for me, it was

697
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:05.760
really a blessing to have an opportunity
to interview with these guys and and so

698
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.519
for now I do a lot of
business development for this contractor in key with

699
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:15.760
in which we are working on increasing
our stadium, our stadium infrastructure footprints.

700
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:21.519
So for us, we UH so
that is that essentially means building stadiums and

701
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:27.119
so our company did sofar stadium out
in l A, Arizona Cardinals h Gillette

702
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:31.159
Stadium as well in in in New
England. And so it's it's a it's

703
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:36.599
a growing market that what sports has
really taken over the world. So a

704
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.880
lot of people need to understand there's
so much investment in the sports, women's

705
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:45.519
sports, UH, sports that have
had a that have kind of been bottom

706
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.199
of the barrel and now rising to
the top. I mean, you see

707
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.719
Lebron James, Tom Brady and those
guys investing in places sports like pickleball.

708
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:59.360
You start to see the Women's National
Soccer League increasing and having you know,

709
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:07.599
stadiums that are specifically for for women's
soccer. And for me, I'm learning

710
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:13.199
and I'm learning, uh I'm learning
about sports from a from a completely different

711
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.000
vantage point. Where I used to
be in the arena, I would have

712
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.760
my helmet on. I used to
be the attraction. I used to be

713
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.840
the one that you know, people
come to see. And now I'm finding

714
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:28.960
out ways to help connect you know, my company and what I do now

715
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:34.159
to to other uh to I would
say fans, and and really just learn

716
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:39.480
what that whole process takes and and
and realistically the amount of effort it takes

717
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:45.599
to actually put on just a performance
like a college game or NFL game and

718
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:52.320
things of that nature. And there's
so many people involved that that like contribute

719
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.840
to just you know, our success. And so at the end of the

720
00:53:54.960 --> 00:54:00.000
day, like I'm real humbled to
be in this space. I'm I understand

721
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:01.159
that, you know, I don't
get there's not a lot of guys that

722
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:05.920
have an opportunity to transition in the
in the field that I'm in. And

723
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:07.400
so really right now, I'm just
doing the very best that I can to

724
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:12.159
learn and and really take a lot
of the tools and trades that I have

725
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:16.199
with football, the ability to communicate, the ability to work with people that

726
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:20.320
you have never met before, because
that's really what football is. I mean,

727
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.559
we all come from different communities and
backgrounds, but for some strange reason

728
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:29.519
we end up working well together and
and finding ways to be successful, whether

729
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.559
or not, whether it was you
know, from and it and it doesn't

730
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:36.480
really matter about how we were raised. You know what our parents cook for

731
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:38.519
us. I mean we had a
dude on the on the on our football

732
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:44.079
team Hoover. I know he never
ate a cheeseburger before, like at Michigan,

733
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:54.400
Like my man never ate a cheeseburger. And now I'm when he when

734
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:59.079
he told me that though, Man, I'm not gonna lie. I can't.

735
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:00.159
I can't forget it this day.
Man, it was like, Man,

736
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:05.239
I never had a cheeseburger. We
were like in year three, but

737
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:13.199
this dude was take him to get
a cheeseburger? Well, what was man?

738
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.719
Say that? One more time?
Was? No? No one dad

739
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.360
was? They want dad was?
But I didn't. I didn't take him

740
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:22.800
to get a cheeseburger yet. Man, But I know that I know that

741
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:29.679
he needed one though he definitely need
well who's no, but because what's funny

742
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:32.320
about who? Though? Who would
literally go from like a big, offensive,

743
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.079
tidi end looking guy to all of
a sudden, we'd be in the

744
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.559
summer and he'd have a whole six
pack And I know, like it would

745
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.599
it would just be astonishing to coach
Mannig and Jeff and Sally and all those

746
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.320
guys in the training room, Like
how he was able to drop way cut

747
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.639
way and I guess, shoot,
he uh never had a cheeseburger, so

748
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.159
he can do what he can do
whatever he wanted. But just to stay

749
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:55.320
on topic, man, like you
know, I know that, you know,

750
00:55:55.360 --> 00:56:00.119
I had an opportunity to just transition
to a whole new space and learning

751
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:07.199
sports from a different perspective, from
a more business like perspective. Realistically,

752
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.320
my goal is I would love to
be a general manager one day of a

753
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:15.519
of a of a professional team and
and honestly give a guy an opportunity to

754
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:19.800
live out his dreams like mine,
just because I've been through a ton of

755
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.320
experiences from being a high draft pick
to having to go to another team and

756
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:27.480
proving yourself to you know, being
with the Buffalo Bills three years and my

757
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.000
first year was there with Rex Ryan
and Rex was like, you know,

758
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:34.639
hey, man, listen, you're
working so damn hard in practice. I

759
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:38.639
gotta play you. So I got
at night and just like you know,

760
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:43.400
just from a guy that that is
known for hard work, that's known for

761
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:45.840
like stepping up and coming to you
know, with his lush pail, Like,

762
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:52.039
just to hear that and receive that
opportunity was was really it was really

763
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.639
a humble moment for me. So
I want to be able to do that

764
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:59.880
at some point in time in my
life. But as far as recreational things,

765
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:02.440
and I'm just hanging out with my
family. My son is hope he

766
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:07.760
eas either the next I don't know
next, Jerry Rice, next, you

767
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.920
know, quarterback, because he loves
offense. I'm not gonna lie to he

768
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.920
ever since I've had him out on
my seven on seven teams and traveling.

769
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.800
He loves offense. He loves the
scores, he loves all the little things

770
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:24.000
they do over he loves all that. He loves doing the gritty and everything.

771
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.920
So you know, for that man, just you know, recreational time,

772
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:30.480
man, I just spend as much
time with my family as possible and

773
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:36.480
trying to enjoy as many moments as
we can. And like I said,

774
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.519
I've got a youth program Metro seven
that I work hand in hand with with

775
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:43.320
Aarren Wilson, and we just try
to give kids opportunities to compete. Man,

776
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:50.119
I think kids really need out outlets
nowadays, like direct outlets, and

777
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:54.159
we just trying to give him that
dro Like you you mentioned that NFL Transition

778
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:58.920
the program there, that's something that
doesn't get enough credit. I was the

779
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:02.159
product of that pro gram as well, you know, transitioning from playing to

780
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:07.440
the professional world, and it definitely
helped me get to where I'm at now.

781
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.360
But you know, that's something a
lot of athletes, you know,

782
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:15.400
need to realize that the game is
gonna end at some point and those networking

783
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.480
and those connections, you know,
is going to go a long ways.

784
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.360
You mentioned Rex Ryan. I was
fortunate to have him as a coach with

785
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.920
the Jeffs. And then you mentioned
Buffalo. You know, what is there

786
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:31.280
not to love about Buffalo? That's
just sprinkle a little love on Bill's Mafia,

787
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:34.519
all right. Got to man,
listen, it's one of the best

788
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.760
places in the world. When I
say, you know, I was world

789
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:45.559
Listen, I want you to understand
as far as a guy that's playing in

790
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.840
a city like that, you know
in college, man, everybody roots for

791
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.239
you there. I mean I'm talking
about there's tailgates for hours. I was

792
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:57.400
fortunate enough to play with two organizations
in the National Football League that were similar

793
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.199
to that, with Green Bay and
Buffalo. Like when you have these all

794
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:05.239
are smaller cities, I mean,
people are a little bit more intimately drawn

795
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.880
into your success, like your highs, your loans, like they feel they're

796
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:13.800
directly a part of that. So
you know, when I was a part

797
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.320
of the team that went back to
the playoffs after I mean what it was

798
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:21.280
like a drought of like seventeen years. Yeah, we were like the highest

799
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:23.559
drive. It was like, you
know, just to see that and embrace,

800
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:27.800
you know, the fans in the
community, knowing how close a lot

801
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.920
of those teams were, it was
a great feeling. And so man,

802
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:35.559
I mean you got they I mean
there's they've got w W E type things

803
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:38.079
out there with the chairs and the
tables, and I mean like when you

804
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:42.880
walk across like the RV lot and
the tailgate lot, I mean it's like

805
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.639
a I don't know, it's like
a mosh pit like it's it's like,

806
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:49.639
man, I'm telling you, if
you if you're not, if you're not

807
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:52.760
wearing Bill's mafia gear, and then
you're definitely gonna be in for a world

808
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.159
of trouble. But it's it's a
it's a it's an atmosphere like no other.

809
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:01.079
And they travel well. So wherever
ever we're playing, they're trying to

810
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:05.599
sell out the stadium. They're gonna
actually gonna ship their own beard. It's

811
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:08.800
homegrown from Buffalo like out to the
spot too. So and they're on tables.

812
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:13.519
Don't ship too hey. Look and
then and then wherever they go,

813
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:15.800
they will buy out all the tables
too. No. So look that when

814
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:21.480
we when they played last year for
the playoffs, where was the can I

815
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:25.360
think they played in Kansas City City, all of the tables were bought out

816
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:30.519
from all the walmarts locally, like
they bought all the volding tables, just

817
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:34.280
just ready to celebrate and break those
things down. So, I mean,

818
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.000
I'm a Oltis. I'm telling you
need we need that, a Spartan and

819
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:43.320
he's telling you, I'm telling you
they do things at a at a much

820
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.679
different level. And it's I mean, I mean, it's still safe.

821
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.840
But you know, I mean,
I'm not gonna say it's not safe,

822
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:52.199
not a safe environment, but it's
it's uh, it's a rowdy environment.

823
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:57.880
It's kind of like a uh,
excuse me, like a w WE wrestling

824
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.880
type raw type Monday night like crazy
ordeals they get, they get, you

825
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:07.679
say, a seventeen year playoff drought. And still this fan base was that

826
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:12.440
connected. That rabbit about the Bills
exactly, I mean, and I'm talking

827
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.280
about I mean, they're connected from
every part of your life, man,

828
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.840
from you know, the success with
your kids at school to you know,

829
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:22.400
the things that you do in the
community. You know, one thing about

830
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.559
it is you got to understand,
like realistically, the real true fans of

831
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:30.159
Buffalo are actually downtown Buffalo where it
originally started. And so a lot of

832
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:35.239
these a lot of our supporters are
in you know, i would say underserved

833
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:38.639
communities, urban communities, and you
know where the original rock power was with

834
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:44.239
OJ Simpson and things like that.
They understand and remember the actual glory days

835
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:46.840
of the Buffalo Bills. Then you
go out to where they at where they

836
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:51.159
are now in Orchard Park and Jim
Kelly going to the Super Bowl four years

837
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:53.800
in a row, like I mean, they remember a lot of the highs

838
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.199
and then they remember a lot of
the lows too, though I can't lie

839
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:00.760
to you so as far as just
to see where they they are now and

840
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.719
actually having a quarterback for the next
fifteen twenty years and that I mean just

841
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.880
some of the things that he's doing
at that level is outstanding. Yeah.

842
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:13.519
And one last thing we saw,
I know, we got to let you

843
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:15.400
go here, but you you hit
on it a little bit there, and

844
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.760
that's we see in youth sports.
You know, there's a lot of darkness

845
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:23.880
over youth sports. People get into
youth sports for the wrong reasons. You

846
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:28.159
get these you know, former players
or not even former players, guys that

847
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.960
wish to play are running these youth
organizations and you know, misusing these kids

848
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:36.920
and treating this kids. I want
to compliment you because I follow along and

849
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:40.280
you know to you know, your
the Metro Yes, Metro seven, yep,

850
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:44.880
Metro seven League, and I listened
to the videos and stuff. You

851
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:49.280
were teaching these kids life lessons and
you know, I really appreciate that and

852
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.960
it goes a long ways. And
you know that, Big ups to you,

853
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.079
Big ups to Oran Wilson. Uh, you know, that's a great

854
01:02:55.079 --> 01:03:00.000
thing for all. Like the the
other stuff that goes on youth sports,

855
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.039
you guys are doing it right and
preparing these kids. Big up to you

856
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:06.239
for that, man, well,
thank you. At the end of the

857
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.400
day, I wouldn't be standing here
without a without a Harlan Barnett, without

858
01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:14.320
a tag Guild, without a you
know, NARDOZI, without a coach d

859
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:17.559
I mean, I wouldn't be standing
here without guys like you know, pulling

860
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:21.760
me to the side and talking to
me about how my how, my how,

861
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.079
like writing out my goals are important
or actually wanting to do something well

862
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:29.159
for my family. And so I
think at the end of the day,

863
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.840
kids don't, especially this generation,
don't understand the type of power that they

864
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:37.719
have at their disposal. So if
we can just essentially teach these kids how

865
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:44.199
to use their platform and the right
way, how to consume the proper content,

866
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:47.599
like not just crazy content, but
how they can like really consume things

867
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:51.440
that are going to help them at
the next level, then I mean,

868
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:52.840
if we get one or two kids
that are that are better than us,

869
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:59.840
and we've done our job, and
you grown up brother, in a minute,

870
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:06.519
it's been it's been a minute.
Oh It's good to see real man.

871
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:13.239
That was a fantastic man. I'm
coming up there this weekend. Oh,

872
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:19.480
Man, I'm coming up. I'm
hanging out. Look you up good?

873
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:24.679
What's up good? I think so, I think I might be.

874
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:28.559
But regardless, I'm hanging with y'all
boys, So we don't. Man.

875
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:31.159
Great opportunity is great homecoming, man, So I'm excited to see you guys

876
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.679
for sure, all right, Man, can't wait. Looking forward to it.

877
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:39.440
Yes, sir, guy up.
Man. We speak for not only

878
01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:42.199
ourselves with the rest of Spartans.
Man. Extremely proud of you and the

879
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.239
man you can come. Man.
Good luck to you as you continue in

880
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.559
your career and taking care of that
beautiful family of yours. Man, Yo,

881
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.320
thank you guys so much. Thank
you guys so much. Man,

882
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:55.159
y'all my boys forever, Man,
sar, I got terrible times. Wait

883
01:04:55.280 --> 01:05:00.599
for you, bro, Keep and
you know, and keep at the Sparting

884
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:04.920
Dog dinner, keep going man keeping. Yeah, yeah, all right,

885
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:12.159
fellas, all right, brother,
take care man. Great interview. Man

886
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:20.599
drell Worthy Uh definitely spartan legendary defensive
lineman, pass rush extraordinary and has gone

887
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:27.599
on the transition in life. Is
still winning the game. Definitely, definitely

888
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.760
is uh, you know, a
great player, great person. What he's

889
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:32.400
become that you know, you,
like Otis said, you know, man,

890
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.800
you've grown up. It's just that
maturation process that you see and you

891
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:40.239
just can't help. But chair you
know, your former teammates, your former

892
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.320
dogs, you know, on when
you see them, you know, having

893
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:46.639
success and doing well. Big ups
to him. Really appreciate him coming down.

894
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:49.920
I really appreciate him shining light on
Bill's mafia too. So you guys

895
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:57.400
can know that. Hey, oh
man, so so you's not alone here,

896
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.679
tell us how great that fan base
is. Right? So yeah,

897
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:04.800
so you hit, you hit a
thing there. All right. So let

898
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:09.119
me tell you this my first game, because I was with the Niners and

899
01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:14.920
went to Buffalo. Buffalo was one
in seven and we played the Lions or

900
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.320
the no. We played the Browns. The Browns were zero to eight that

901
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:21.480
year. It was a cold November
game, snow. The field had a

902
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:25.440
sheet of ice. If you fall, it's gonna cut you and rip your

903
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:28.000
skin up. I go up there, I'm like, man, this is

904
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:30.559
and I grew up in Buffalo,
but I forgot. I was out a

905
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:34.639
little bit. Forgot went out there
on you know forgetting ran out the tunnel

906
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:41.280
sold out seventy five thousand fans there
win or lose their riding, and that's

907
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:47.400
why we need to have a program
that rides win or lose, and you

908
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:53.320
learn from experience. See spartanation.
Jayu was speaking from experience. That's all.

909
01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:58.639
I'm not saying you're wrong, but
he's not wrong either. Like listen

910
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.559
reason as Darrell was when he came
in, because I remember when he came

911
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:08.639
in. But ju, do you
remember when we went to in two thousand

912
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:13.719
seven we went to go play wisconcept
and do you remember what we got back

913
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:16.760
and what Coach D did to us
in the locker room? Do you remember

914
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:21.400
it? I remember at when we
were going to the game and dancing.

915
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:25.639
I remember that. No, So
that was that was great though, because

916
01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:28.199
Coach D was like, you know, I remember he prepped us. You

917
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.280
know when they played jump around,
So I better see everybody on the sideline

918
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:36.679
jumping around. You see, coach
we jump around. That's the Oh,

919
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:40.920
so this is what happened. That
the defense was on the field when that

920
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:47.480
single thing end of the third four, So it's doing looking out there,

921
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:54.119
defense is going people crip walking,
getting it so I'm like, I'm on

922
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:57.639
the sideline right and we're down seven
at this point, and I think it

923
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:01.599
was they're like, this is this
is our song. So they started dancing

924
01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:03.719
and it was like Dan's Battles.
So I was like, man, I

925
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:08.239
got to find my way into this. And so I'm on the sideline and

926
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.360
I'm getting it, and I think
I start I don't know how to I'm

927
01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:15.639
trying. I'm trying, and then
all of a sudden, Coach d because

928
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:18.760
you know how coach he can flip
that switch. He said, he said

929
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:21.600
till you and I was like,
oh, man, I've done it now.

930
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:32.199
I look at him and he's like, listen, listen. So this

931
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:35.119
is where Coach de can flip the
switch. This was like, this is

932
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:39.920
what he taught us getting it out
on the field, is that you got

933
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.159
to turn it off, turn it
on right. So we lose the game.

934
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:46.680
We should have one name. When
we lost the game. We come

935
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:55.159
back and I believe it was Sunday. It was that Sunday when we report

936
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.600
back in to watch film. I
remember he brought everybody into the locker room

937
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.359
and was like, basically, the
reason why we're losing this, we're losing.

938
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:06.560
What we're doing this is look at
the locker room. Look around.

939
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:11.600
I mean the locker room was atrocious
like it was it was, I mean

940
01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:15.840
you had dirty draws, socks everywhere, like it was so dirty. And

941
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:20.239
he was like, it's about the
attention to detail. And when you think

942
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:24.199
about it, man, like Coach
D was training us man for like,

943
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:29.119
well beyond this obviously game that we
just lost to his content and going to

944
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:31.439
the next week. But we're like, man, Coach D cared about a

945
01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:34.840
small things so much where he just
preached it. But he was like we

946
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:40.399
in here like he's like this being
better be speaking man before we go out

947
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:45.960
there to the practice field and everybody
clean it up. You know how you

948
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.000
you can tell your parents to go
clean your room. Throwing stuff up this

949
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:56.199
debate, everybody throwing this stuff.
I remember you walking around looking at it

950
01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:00.359
expecting and like he was, your
house got to be clean, right,

951
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:02.600
the house got to be clean.
So when we go out like we are

952
01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:09.079
a well oil machine in our in
our program is we had the respect that

953
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:13.399
it's supposed to have. And I
really applaud Coach D on that because he

954
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:17.560
took a lot of bandage right,
like guys who were just be it,

955
01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:21.960
just battered, switched the switch the
mindset, and I honestly feel like we

956
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:26.319
got to go back to the basics
right now to turn the tide. Is

957
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.880
that let's go back to the basis
where we were having fun, but like,

958
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:32.239
let's figure out some things we got
to pluck out to get back on

959
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:35.039
track. That's why I wanted to
tell that story because I remember we were

960
01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:40.920
all looking like, man, this
dude is crazy, right, nuts and

961
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:44.399
low key coach. Here was a
pool shark. Remember he come in hunting,

962
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:49.000
running in the locker room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did

963
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:55.079
hang out. He did. Man
if if if Gambler was allowed, he

964
01:10:55.119 --> 01:11:00.119
would have he would have stole a
lot of people's money, man, right,

965
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:04.439
yeah, oh man, Hey guys, great show man. You know,

966
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.760
look ju before we put a bow
on it, and do you have

967
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:12.079
any final comments, just you know, Spartan's got to come out. I

968
01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:15.880
think this is a very winnable game
for us. We have to, like

969
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:18.479
I said, thorn and receivers have
to be communicate well, we have to

970
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:23.600
run the football. Offensive line have
to have that mindset of protect and get

971
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:28.479
downfield, protect or get downfield and
defensively let's just play with some confidence.

972
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:31.880
Let's play with some confidence. Let's
jump around and let's have fun. Let's

973
01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:35.199
have fun. What do we have
to lose? What do we have to

974
01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:40.000
lose? Have fun out there,
Spartanation, come out, chair on the

975
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:44.960
guys, and let's get after it. I love it and I know this

976
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.279
is again Spartanation, come out.
This is homecoming, another great time of

977
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:53.239
year. We're gonna have the parade
starting on Friday. We're gonna have a

978
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:57.399
Spartan Dog Dinner on Saturday night.
Hope to get out there and see some

979
01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:00.760
of the guys. And you know, we're gonna be honoring some people at

980
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.840
the Spartan Dog dinner, you know, Is that right? Otis? That's

981
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:08.520
right, man, We're gonna be
honoring some legends who who were I mean

982
01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:15.399
technically was our head coach. Throughout
all the years of all the coaching changing

983
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.319
and all the staffs coming in coming
out, there was one guy who were

984
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:21.880
man and we all know it.
Uh is our our strength, strength and

985
01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:28.159
conditioning coach, coach Manning. So
we're looking forward to it, to seeing

986
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:30.640
him. We haven't seen him in
a while, loving on him, giving

987
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.680
him hugs and his family as well. And so you know, one thing

988
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:39.560
is for this game, man,
it's let's just have fun. Like let's

989
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.800
everyone needs to see the fun too, Like, let's just have fun.

990
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:47.640
To Jame's point, nothing to lose
mentality, us against the world, Spartan

991
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.159
nation, stand up. Uh,
if you're on the team, be on

992
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:54.720
the team. But if you're not, get off the bus. And it's

993
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:57.560
true, it's true. Let's be
with us. Let's rob and die.

994
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:02.359
It's like bad Boys for life.
Love it, love it, gentlemen.

995
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:08.760
All right, that'll put a bow
on this episode. Uh And for Otis

996
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:13.079
Wiley and Jay Cochern, Jason Straighthorn, this is Sparta. Have a good

997
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:21.960
night, God blessing, go breath
my head that time, my dad,

998
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:26.279
do you know how put time