WEBVTT 1 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:50.359 Welcome to the one hundred and forty sixth episode of the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast 2 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:56.880 So Damn Paranormal. My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, 3 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:03.119 and with me, as always is your very own Oscar Spector, producer, 4 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.879 extraordinary and podcast co host. Listeners. If you'd like to skip our intro, 5 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:11.040 please go to the show notes. There'll be a time stamp there waiting 6 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:17.239 for you to get you right to the topic. Oscar. We kind of 7 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:21.640 talked offline. There hasn't been much going on in our lives these past two 8 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:26.280 weeks. Anything you want to mention. No, no, I've just been 9 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:32.480 working on this show and I've been twitching on our Twitch channel and that's all 10 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:37.480 I've been doing, really and people can already see those if you're interested. 11 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:42.599 I've been playing, we playing actually I started my second run of The Last 12 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.640 of Us Part two if you want to check that out, which isn't a 13 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:49.159 horror game, but it has it's almost a horror game, you know. 14 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.799 Yeah, So I've been doing that. And otherwise I said, I have 15 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:57.239 no life. I've had no life in the last two weeks since because of 16 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.799 the show, because of the series. Thing, been writing and I haven't 17 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:06.680 done anything else. We mentioned it in the last episode that this now three 18 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:13.120 part series will likely crest one hundred pages, right. I was pretty sure 19 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:16.520 at the time, but now I am. It's over one hundred page script 20 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:22.120 you put together for this three parter. Mm hmm wow. Great job man, 21 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:25.240 and this one the octopus tendrils. This is what I've been waiting for 22 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:29.840 all that I know. I teased you off air about it a lot. 23 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:34.400 Yes, you did. You did so great job on that. Well, 24 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:38.520 we'll keep the intro short so you get right to the topic. For me, 25 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:42.039 kind of the same man. Nothing, just work, work, work, 26 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:46.120 incredibly tiring. I got a new fridge, you know, adulting that 27 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.520 that was exciting for us. Does talk to you, No, but it 28 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.840 is wi Fi you know who. I can't say her name because she's sitting 29 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:58.360 right next to me and she'll go off, But it's you know who enabled 30 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:04.520 ex a. Can we do that? If she went off when I spelled, 31 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.000 that would have been really creepy. Yeah, that would have been actual 32 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:08.840 creeper. He would be like, what if what if he spoke to you 33 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:17.199 by spelling? Now to you responses he and I'm out out in the backyard. 34 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:21.319 She goes, so, yeah, we got a new fridge and the 35 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.360 I mentioned this on the last episode. The Jason Vorhees I'm building from Part 36 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:31.319 four is coming along great so far. I've got ten videos from my video 37 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:37.599 journal for Patreon of Jason's build. I'm really happy with the way it's coming 38 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:42.000 out. So my free time weekends I've been I've been working on that. 39 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.280 So that's pretty exciting. But other than that, I got nothing else. 40 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:51.800 Iand what do you say we get into the contact information. This is going 41 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:54.319 to be record setting intro for us, just so you know, yes, 42 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.520 that is. That is and I'm fine with it because I have nothing right 43 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:01.159 now, nothing to say. Yeah. 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And I'll just say it now. 62 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:29.680 This is a part three if you if you're just joining in now, make 63 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.600 sure and go back and listen to episode one four and one forty five to 64 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:39.000 get caught up on the octopus. And I think with that we could take 65 00:05:39.000 --> 00:06:44.279 a break. Yeah, let's do it. Listeners, Welcome back to the 66 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.279 show. Well, the lights are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is 67 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:55.439 lit, and the drinks are flowing. Let's start this show. So I 68 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:00.480 think it bears repeating that this is a part three. If you're not caught 69 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.639 up, if you're just joining us, make sure and go back and listen 70 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:10.879 to episodes one and one forty five because Oscar Spector really lays the groundwork for 71 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:16.399 this octopus conspiracy. And in this episode we're going to see just how far 72 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:24.319 reaching these octopus tendrils really are. And I've been dying to hear this final 73 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:29.680 episode. So Oscar, could you please take us on this next journey, 74 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.519 this final journey. Yes, And normally I, you know, have this 75 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:39.560 whole you know, musings of an intro, of an opening that gets you 76 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.680 going, gets maybe the juice is flowing. Maybe ask some questions that are 77 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.519 along the way. I will have answer right in the body of the of 78 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:51.439 the show. I didn't give myself a chance to really write an opening, 79 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:56.439 so it's gonna jump in on it. But you know, luckily is that 80 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.639 it's a part three and the easiest thing for me to do in this case 81 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:05.240 is jump in with a recap. So previously on the Supernatural Current Studies podcast, 82 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.360 we expand the world beyond the deaths of Danny Casilero and Fred Alvarez by 83 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.879 talking about some of the men and companies in power that have led to disaster 84 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.480 on a bigger scale and across the world. Beginning in the US, the 85 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:26.000 first hurdle was the Wackenhut Corporation, a prestigious security firm and offices in several 86 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:31.639 dozens of countries, especially the US. Wackenhut was very right wing and anti 87 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:37.399 communism, either as a result of the political nature of their sixties and seventies, 88 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.200 or pushing agendas towards their own means, or both, and they did 89 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:46.360 their part to ward off any communist threat. They did this by sidestepping congressional 90 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:52.960 investigations in the form of a partnership with Cabison Band of Mission Indians and sending 91 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:58.000 arms manufactured on preservation land to countries like Nicaragua to help the contrast or the 92 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:05.480 Middle East against other communist footholds. Old Intelligence Book and Cabison financial advisor John 93 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.279 Philip Nichols managed his partnership through connections that led to people like Earl W. 94 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:16.039 Bryant and Michael Riconoshudo to work for their means. Besides anti communist rhetoric, 95 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.840 it's clear that money was valued as much as power in any former takes. 96 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:26.759 Next is the Inslaw affair. William Hamilton started and owned Inslaw, an information 97 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:33.679 technology company based in Washington, DC designed to get contracts for utilitarian software for 98 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.879 the US government. A great and useful software that they developed was called Promise 99 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:43.759 in the nineteen seventies. This program served to itemize, organize, and filter 100 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:50.600 large volumes of data to easily track and input new information, perfect for attorney 101 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.720 offices and police stations. Install went bankrupt though, after their contract with the 102 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:01.000 Department of Justice led to broken promises. In back room scheming, the DOJ 103 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.879 used their influence to refuse paying Inslaw millions of dollars for Promise while demanding the 104 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:13.559 rights to own their property. Congressional and Senate investigation investigations said they tricked and 105 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.440 stole from Inslaw, despite the fact that no one was brought to justice and 106 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:22.120 Inslaw went bankrupt. What's worse is that the DOJ and Attorney General Edwin mess 107 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:28.000 paid off a competitor of Inslaw, EARL W. Bryan, with copies of 108 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:33.600 the Promise software. Earlbrien then gave it to Israel, Canada and other countries 109 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:41.720 after contracting a CIA slash wagon Hut Lackey working at Cabazon Alm arms Michael Rignoeshudo 110 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:46.919 to install a backdoor and other changes in order to spy on foreign governments. 111 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.039 This was both for information on enemies or potential enemies, but also to the 112 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.279 highest bidder. Though unproven. William Hamilton fought the good fight in many ways, 113 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.799 including befriending and being Danny Cassilero's primary source for his research into Octopus, 114 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:07.679 and still fights to this day. Lastly, we delve deeper into Microwinknoshuda's background. 115 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:13.240 He was Cassilero's second primary source of information, providing key players and background 116 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:18.360 to scandals that made front page news throughout the years and in several countries. 117 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:24.759 Besides Wackenhut and Inslaw, Reconoeshudo had a slew of wild allegations that were hard 118 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:31.799 to believe but contained real possibilities. This includes conspiracy theories like the October Surprise 119 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:37.279 which implicator O'Brien, as well as the newgan Handbank scandal in Australia. A 120 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.200 gifted man of science, Reconnaseshuda at first proved to be a witness with real 121 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:45.919 heft in the eyes of congressional investigations until his arrest in nineteen ninety one. 122 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:50.799 His sworn statement that involved everything in this recap and much more, was damaged 123 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:56.200 in credibility when his alleged involvement in manufacturing and selling drugs led to a prison 124 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:03.279 sentenced days eight days after testifying. After Cassilero's death in August nineteen eighty one, 125 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.639 we can shoot a keptain contact with his allies, journalists, and family. 126 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.080 Further allegations and knowledge bombs are due to arrive in this final chapter. 127 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:20.679 The octapus tendrals okay, and for that the show actually will start, And 128 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:26.840 we're gonna start with a series of events and big companies too big to fail. 129 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:30.360 Some of them do fail, but it's gonna be a lot of fun. 130 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:35.720 Hopefully go along with it. There will be low breaks for discussion if 131 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:41.559 we if there's any, and we're gonna start with something called the BCCI scandal. 132 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.759 This is kind of a big one. This segment may seem to require 133 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:52.120 some knowledge in finance or history of finance, but I personally don't think so. 134 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.279 Similar to how I treated the Instas segment in the last show, you 135 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:01.600 don't need to know the intricacies of computer. Therefore, you don't need to 136 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.639 know how the world of banking works to understand this part. It definitely couldn't 137 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:11.159 hurt though, of course. BCCI stands for the Bank of Credit and Commerce 138 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:16.360 International. It was founded by a Pakistani financier in nineteen seventy two named Aga 139 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:24.879 Hassan Abdi. The BCCI was registered in Luxembourg with primary offices in Karachi and 140 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.360 London, and managed to achieve over four hundred branches in seventy eight countries. 141 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.720 Only a decade later this bank hat yeamt. This bank had assets and excess 142 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.879 of twenty billion US dollars, making it the seventh largest private bank in the 143 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:43.559 world. BCCI was created with capital, of which twenty five percent was from 144 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:48.200 the Bank of America and the remaining seventy five percent from Sikh Zayed bin Sultan 145 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:54.440 al Nayan, the ruler of Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates. The 146 00:13:54.519 --> 00:14:03.159 company divided itself into BCCI Essay in Luxembourg and BCCI Overseas in Grand Cayman. 147 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:09.799 They did this because it allowed several transactions like buying the BCO for example, 148 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.279 bank to commerce replacements. That's French. By the way, I can't do 149 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.759 French. They also created KIFKO, the Kuwait International Finance Company, and a 150 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.279 series of other companies through ICIC, which is the International Credit and Investment Company, 151 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.000 And they did all this through BCCI, and all of this was done 152 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.200 by seventy six, by the way, so these are big purchases, That's 153 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:35.519 what I'm saying. There were pieces in newspapers saying that this type of rapid 154 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:41.440 expansion was done through cash deposits, when most companies of this magnitude used the 155 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.600 money to make investments from here. It was alleged that quote the bank's transformation 156 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:52.759 was guided by the head of Saudi Intelligence with a view to enable enabling it 157 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:58.240 to finance covered American operations at a time in the aftermath of Watergate, when 158 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:05.000 the American intelligence agencies were defending themselves from investigation by domestic authorities unquote, which 159 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.759 kind of reminds me of the enhanced interrogation we did under Bush Bush Junior and 160 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.840 became controversial and then was frowned upon later under Obama. If you remember this 161 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.799 time, you know it's a time to back pedal, check your surroundings and 162 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:24.480 cover your ass. But already the crafts of conspiracy are showing. BCCI also 163 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.120 entered the African financial markets in nineteen seventy nine and Asia in the eighties, 164 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:33.960 one of the first foreign banks awarded a license to operate in China. Actually, 165 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:39.600 to give an example of Aga Hassana Betty's networking skills, JP Morgan and 166 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:45.159 City Corp. Wish they had those licenses. Wow. Yeah, Let's get 167 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.559 into how they worked, not just their accomplishments. The two hundred plus managers 168 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:54.799 and general managers reported directly to Abeti and CEO Swallee Nakvi. The company was 169 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.080 structured in such a way that no single country had overall regulatory supers over it, 170 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:06.840 so it's not to hinder potential growth and expansions from blossoming. It was 171 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:11.440 also not regulated by a country that had a central bank. Finally, it 172 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.240 should be mentioned as part of background, of course, that the reason Luxembourg 173 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:19.000 and Grant Cayman are desirable locations to start a bank is because they have shall 174 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:26.440 we say, weak banking regulations, notoriously so. In fact, American cinema 175 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:32.600 constantly references big wig bad guys boasting their offshore accounts created from illegal activities. 176 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.039 Because of such things, a bureau within the US Department of Treasury warned the 177 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:42.159 Federal Reserve on several occasions that, in no uncertain terms, should be CCI 178 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:48.639 be allowed to buy any American bank because it was poorly regulated. I believe 179 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.399 saus is the correct term here, little saus, Yes, a little bit. 180 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:53.440 By the way, I really love that sentence, big wig, bad 181 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:59.279 guys boasting. It's just like a lot of bees in there alteration. Anyway, 182 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.640 there were other dealings and maneuvers that produced worry in Western minds. Through 183 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:08.839 many loans and using BCCI's stock as collateral, they made one point four to 184 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:15.440 eight billion dollars which found its way to secretly owning First American Bank. Here's 185 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:19.200 how they did it quote. One of the pieces of the schemes was Washington 186 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:25.799 based First American Bank Shares Inc. For a fee, prominent Middle Eastern individuals 187 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:30.079 served as fronts for BCCI in gaining control of the Washington bank in nineteen eighty 188 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:36.839 one. These illegally held shares in First American were then used as collateral a 189 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:41.039 second time by BCCI to raise about six hundred million dollars in new loans. 190 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:48.400 Set A source investigating the affair for British authorities BCCI used that money to cover 191 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.559 up losses elsewhere. He said, unquote, that's a big fucking deal. 192 00:17:53.119 --> 00:18:00.400 This was discovered through audits when BCCI's numbers acted suspiciously. There were strange lending 193 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.480 practices too, which led the United Kingdom to set a cap on their number 194 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:10.559 of branch networks allowed in their country. Lending law violations galore here. Beyond 195 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.000 all of this, I said, so far, there's an incredible amount of 196 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:18.200 money laundering, causing corruption, peddling, and bribery that was done through BCCI. 197 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.680 This is why there are my radar firsts on this. Part three. 198 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.319 I consider buying the book The BCCI Affair, a report to the Committee on 199 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.160 Foreign Relations by Hank Brown. But I figured there's an insane amount of coverage 200 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:33.640 already in articles and such that I'll think, I'll be fine. What do 201 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:40.440 you think so far? These have you heard of them? I haven't heard 202 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:48.359 of BCCI, But these wizard like accounting practices are just h it's unbelievable, 203 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.839 unbelievable that someone could come up with this sort of thing. Yeah, no, 204 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:57.559 it is all that is just what's been one hundred percent proven so far. 205 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:02.240 Everything I said exactly how in that way. Wow. Obviously they backtracked 206 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:06.200 that, and now that their b CCI is gone whichever kind of alluded to 207 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:10.759 earlier, obviously they don't no longer own back of America whatever, but they 208 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:14.559 they pulled it off for a while there. Yeah, too, amazing. 209 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.799 I never that's a weird that's like a that's like a scheme that that works 210 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.000 maybe to get like a few box off someone, but they did it on 211 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.880 such a large scale, right, Anyway, It's funny. Here's how I 212 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:32.319 saw BCCI. If a regular bank with all of his you know bullshit is 213 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:40.079 like Facebook, then b CCI was fortune unregulated, unregulated, borderline to actually 214 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:45.720 illegal and finally dismantled. You know how casinos, especially especially in Las Vegas, 215 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.279 are built as labyrinths to keep you from leaving and distract you with pretty 216 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:53.079 lights, legs and alcohol. Absolutely mm hmmm. It was similar with b 217 00:19:53.160 --> 00:20:00.119 CCI. When otters came calling, the byzantine internal workings confused everyone, including 218 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.640 BCCI employees themselves, making it all the more difficult to keep track of their 219 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:07.680 scheming until the point where I don't even have to ask you where this is 220 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.400 going and how it all might fit. Right. Here's a few more examples 221 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:18.400 though to underline BCCI's darker side, the most active countries were Brazil, Argentina, 222 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:23.640 Colombia, Uruguay, Paraguay, Peru, and Venezuela. Beyond the fact 223 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:27.720 that Venezuela was name dropped a couple times in this trilogy, you know that 224 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:33.920 the reason for this is fucking drugs. Quote. According to one BCCI source, 225 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:38.000 by far the largest operation was in Colombia, where BCCI ran essentially a 226 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:44.400 full service bank with branches in the centers of drug production. The bank developed 227 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.599 a reputation for asking no questions, dealing in large amounts of cash, and 228 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.720 generating a lot of wire transports of the kind that can be used to launder 229 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:59.240 money. Sources said, unquote wow. In nineteen eighty eight, BCCI did 230 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.839 business when with an undercover agent in Florida who was posing as a drug operative 231 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.960 looking to launder millions of dollars. This is a little example. I read 232 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.160 that article. By the way, it seems like the guy stole the money 233 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:14.920 from drug dealers and instead of handing it off to the federal he tried to 234 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.839 like launder it through BCCI. That's a Hollywood script right there. That's a 235 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:25.079 Hollywood script. Essentially, another example. Quote. BCCI had a wide network 236 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:30.079 in the Middle East and Africa, and was especially dominant in Pakistan. It 237 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:34.200 was a favorite bank under the regime of former Pakistani President Zia, for instance, 238 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:40.640 the diseased US ally who worked whose government, sorry, whose government was 239 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:45.319 assisting the CIA's funding in the Afghan rebels. I Betty could just walk in 240 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.480 and out of Zia's office, said a former customer. They knew how to 241 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:53.119 get to the top in third world countries. Unquote. BCCI's clients were people 242 00:21:53.200 --> 00:22:02.200 like Manuel Noriega, Fernand Marcos, and Saddan Hussein. All big deals. 243 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:07.039 Obviously Sadam Usam is more famous for US, but all big deals. Yeah, 244 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:10.160 here's a juicy name though that maybe you don't know. Jay. It 245 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:15.039 was alerted to Bank of England officials that Abu Nidal was using an account at 246 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:19.000 a BCCI branch in London. Abu Nidal, which is his Nomniger, was 247 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:26.160 the founder of Fatah the Revolutionary Consul, a Palestinian splintered group thought to be 248 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.039 the most ruthless in the seventies and eighties. People into modern history and politics 249 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.960 may know of him already. He's believed to have ordered attacks in over twenty 250 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:38.759 countries, killing more than three hundred people. His most famous attacks were of 251 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:45.240 Rome and Vienna's airports in nineteen eighty five. A revolutionary to some and a 252 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.240 terrorist to others, Abu Nidal was killed and bagged that in two thousand and 253 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:53.480 two, supposedly on orders by Saddam Hussein. Nadal wasn't just in it for 254 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:56.799 a cause, though he was often contracted as well. But I did not 255 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.440 read too much into his actions, although he is an interesting one for me 256 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.759 for several reasons. For the show, terrorism or whatever, men like Ablin 257 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:08.279 Nadal happened to be. It's something we almost could cover on the show, 258 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.680 but not quite you know, not quite serial killer and not quite enough for 259 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:17.119 conspiracy. It's almost too historical and political to discuss in depth, you know, 260 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.559 on the fringes of a subject of ours. But what do you think 261 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:26.319 so far? I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I mean 262 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:30.119 I could just see these Manuel Noriego or Isadam Hussein walking up to a teller 263 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:33.400 in one of these banks. Could I catch him this fifty for some I'm 264 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:40.160 pretty sure they send someone someone that this bank had them as clients. Yeah, 265 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:41.880 not shady at all. No, No, not at all, No, 266 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.839 forget them. That being said, I want to go over a few 267 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.359 things that hit closer to our show. They shouldn't be a surprise, but 268 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:55.559 the motherfucking CIA used the CCI pull their covert operations, particularly in the Middle 269 00:23:55.599 --> 00:24:00.960 East and South America. What those accounts were allegedly used for was to aid 270 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.279 foreign governments, launder money, to purchase arms, and controlling, at least 271 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:08.000 in a financial way, the drug interests funneling in and out of the United 272 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:14.000 States. I say allegedly because there is no evidence, though it is quite 273 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:19.119 fucking obvious. A former Commissioner of Customs told the people investigating BCCI about the 274 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:25.799 CIA several accounts. A nineteen ninety one article stated that the National Security Council 275 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:32.000 also had accounts at BCCI which had been used in a slew of covert operations, 276 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:37.480 including transferring money and weapons during the Iron Contra affair. I will explain 277 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:41.480 more about that in a bit. After the audits came the myriad of investigations 278 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.519 from all fronts. There was a massive regulatory battle in nineteen ninety one, 279 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:51.720 and in early July of that year, customs and bank regulators in seven countries 280 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:57.240 raided and locked down records of its branch offices. Yeah quote. Investigators in 281 00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:03.359 the United States and the UK the determined that BCCI had been set up deliberately 282 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:11.000 to avoid centralized regulatory view and operated extensively in bank secrecy jurisdictions. Its affairs 283 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:18.200 were extraordinarily complex. Its officers were sophisticated international bankers whose apparent objective was to 284 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.319 keep their affairs secret, to commit fraud on a massive scale, and to 285 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:27.799 avoid detection. With a lifespan between nineteen seventy two to nineteen ninety one, 286 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.880 mere weeks before Danny Casilero is found dead, the BCCI gets liquidated in force 287 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.720 closure. I want to say that too much of this is fucking true, 288 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.759 and I have skipped many many other problems and key people connected with that piece 289 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:48.720 of recent history that either used or were used by the BCCI, you know, 290 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.599 in a director and direct manner, I went with the Bank of Credit 291 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.599 and Commerce International first because establishing what it was at the top of the show 292 00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.279 will help when they come up again later on. Beyond this that, all 293 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:04.359 saying, follow the money kept coming into my thoughts when researching this three part 294 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:10.880 series. Financial gain, especially if it's tax free is the greatest motivator for 295 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:14.880 the conspiracies happening here. It's not the only one, but the one that 296 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:19.400 brings all the suspects together. Danny Cassilero had found connections between the Octopus and 297 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.880 BCCI, and I'd argue that after install it was probably the main focus for 298 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:29.799 him. I'm not done with BCCI, but we will move on. So 299 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:32.599 that's the end of the BCCI part. What do you think? Okay, 300 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:37.720 so Casilearra was starting to investigate them. Oh yeah, he had been Yeah, 301 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:42.359 and then he wound up being suicided. Yeah, just wakes weeks apart 302 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:48.880 from the actual downfall of the company all weeks. Yeah, you're gonna see 303 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.680 a lot of the same, like years popping up, ninety one, eighty 304 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.839 one, all those are gonna pop up a lot here, and like, 305 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.920 oh it's a little too coincidental. See, you're gonna see more of that. 306 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.759 Now we're on to our next bit here. It's called this next segment 307 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.839 is called the Reagan Administration. H Okay, man, No, sorry, 308 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.119 guess this segment is not as political as you may think. I will not 309 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:19.559 be going over the infamously bad slogan of just saying no, I will remember 310 00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:26.480 that, right. Yeah. I will not go over Reagan's policies. I'm 311 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.640 going to focus on two events, one in the beginning of his first presidential 312 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.319 term and the other in the middle of a second. We will begin with 313 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.640 the October surprise, no mystery. I'll just say what it is. This 314 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:44.079 is a conspiracy theory directly involving then California governor. Governor said that word, 315 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:48.920 Ronald Reagan and others in a plot to use the release of fifty two American 316 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:55.079 hostages in Iran in order to win the nineteen eighty election for presidency. Now 317 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:57.759 that sing sounds too simple, so let's figure it out. What prompted the 318 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:03.119 fifty two Americans to be came a group of militarized college students belonging to the 319 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:10.599 Muslim student followers of the Immam's Line who supported the Iranian Revolution, took control 320 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:15.480 of the US embassy in Tehran. This happened on November fourth, nineteen seventy 321 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.559 nine, and they were held for four hundred and forty four days until January 322 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.720 fourth, nineteen eighty one. At the time, then President Jimmy Carter called 323 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:29.480 this atrocity an act of blackmail, and the hostages as victims of terrorism and 324 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.880 anarchy. Iran saw this as an act against the US for influencing Iran, 325 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:42.240 perceived or not, through the Shaw of Iran named Mohammad Reza Pahiavi. The 326 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:48.480 US did give long standing support to the Shaw and what caused the Iranian Iranian 327 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:53.640 Revolution led to Pahiavi's overthrow in seventy nine. You see, when he was 328 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:59.480 overthrown by the people of Iran, Pahiavi was admitted to the US for cancer 329 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.759 treatments, which in turn led to those college students to take action against American 330 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:10.200 citizens in Tehran. They took American diplomats in exchange for the Shah who were 331 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.240 supposed to stand trial for the crimes against the people of Iran. That's why 332 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.640 they did it. In response, the US rejected Iran's Iran's demands, that's 333 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:23.240 funny. In response, the US rejected Iran's demands to release the shot to 334 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.960 them, and Iran saw the Americans as complicit in the atrocities that they suffered. 335 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.319 Let's finish talking about the crisis. In the official capacity, the Iranians 336 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:38.559 were in violation of international law, specifically the Vienna Convention, which grants immunity 337 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:44.839 to diplomats on foreign soil. We all know that the crisis reached the climax 338 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:49.519 after diplomatic negotiations failed to win the release of the hostages. This led President 339 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.839 Krter to send the US military to try and rescue them with something called Operation 340 00:29:55.160 --> 00:30:02.000 Eagle Claw, using the US as limits and US's choral c on April twenty 341 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:07.279 fourth, nineteen eighty. The attempt failed and resulted in one Iranian casualty and 342 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.880 the accidental deaths of eight Americans. In September nineteen eighty, the Iran War 343 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:19.160 began when Iraq invaded Iran. This led to negotiations with the Iranan government concerning 344 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.599 the hostages and used Algeria as a goat between. It was too late for 345 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.960 Carter, however, when he lost the election in a landslide and the algiers 346 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:33.559 of courts weren't signed until literally minutes after Reagan's inaugural addressed to the Nation was 347 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:40.799 over. The crisis strengthened Ayatola Kammane's power and weakened relations between the two countries. 348 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.200 I'll explain who Commane was in a second. Even all of this so 349 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.359 far, it's just a simplified version of the intricacies between the two regions and 350 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.200 the people. One could easily go as far back as nineteen fifty three, 351 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:59.240 when the CIA entered Iran through Operation Ajax, which defended British oil interest and 352 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.440 involved the Prime Minister at the time, the famously known political schemer Henry Kissinger. 353 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:10.000 That fucking asshole was involved in Iraq and Iran beginning in the nineteen sixties, 354 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:15.000 and so on, and so on and so on. Danny Cassilero, 355 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.160 the man who has quickly become the source for all these connections to the octopus 356 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:26.920 in this series, heavily researched this nefarious group's dealings overseas throughout administrations like Nixon 357 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:32.839 and Reagan. Cassilero and several others believed that individuals high in the Reagan administration 358 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.720 arranged for those fifty two American hostages to be held in Iran and detained until 359 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:44.279 after the election. This comes from an excerpt in then Cassilero's never published book 360 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:52.119 quote. While rumors of the hostage release delays circulated for years after the election 361 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.200 of Ronald Reagan, it wasn't until nineteen eighty eight that testimony was offered by 362 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:02.400 two covert operatives in two different courts regarding their knowledge and participation of a hostage 363 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:09.240 release stall managed by then Reagan campaign chief William Casey. But now two more 364 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:15.119 COVID operators have emerged from that desert reservation in the journey of this story effort 365 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:21.480 to confirm that previous testimony and provide richer details regarding the laundered payment by the 366 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.960 Saudis and other particularities in order to prevent what Casey feared the most, a 367 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.960 surprise release of the hostages before the election, almost guaranteeing windfall votes for President 368 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:38.000 Jimmy Carter. The alleged reward to another Reagan insider for that mission to Iran 369 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:44.119 in the summer of nineteen eighty has been almost wholly responsible for the leagues leading 370 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.920 to this odyssey, for it was in that reward, in the form of 371 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:53.160 a multimillion dollar contract government contract, that technologies were found were found to have 372 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:59.640 been stolen by the government from another company in that other companies recovery from bankruptcy. 373 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.640 CEO has been the real life star and gumshoe in this drama that continues 374 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:09.720 to unfold each day. Cassillar also wrote, since Reagan was not a favorite 375 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:14.640 son of the octopus. Why did it work so hard to ensure his selection 376 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:20.559 in nineteen eighty even if the participation by campaign officials and holding the hostages until 377 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:24.119 the election was limited to just the acquiescence of smiling gentleman who knew better. 378 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.720 Why was the veil removed when it could have been so absolutely secret unquote. 379 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:37.359 The two covert operatives Cassiller was talking about is Michael Riconaeshudo and Ari Ben Menashi, 380 00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.960 who were mentioned we gonna SHOOTO especially many times in the last show. 381 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.680 The technologies and theft from a company is referring to Install again as a spotlight 382 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:54.319 in the last episode, oh be talking about it. The multimillion dollar laundering 383 00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:59.799 that occurred was through BCCI at least some of it. That payment was to 384 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.519 an another man we talked about on the last show, also called Earl O'Brien, 385 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:08.719 who we see a certain software as his reward. That was Yeah. 386 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:14.360 My thinking on Reagan's involvement is that it is passive at best. Reagan winning 387 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:19.639 the election provided a way or an easier way to manipulate events and people to 388 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:23.760 suit the octopus, particularly having a slightly younger Bush senior in the administration. 389 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:32.280 Having a republican instead of a democrat was useful to them. Like Cassilero began 390 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:38.199 with statements made by former President of Iran, albo Hassan Bani Sader. I'm 391 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:45.119 mispronouncing that for sure. He was the first president of Iran after the Iranian 392 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:49.119 Revolution of nineteen seventy nine. That is, he abolished a monarchy and was 393 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:53.719 impeached in nineteen eighty one. The Iranian political and religious leader and founder of 394 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:59.960 the Islamic Republic of Iran who led the Iranian Revolution of seventy nine was Ayati 395 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:06.760 Ruhollah Kohmani, a famous figure worldwide. Kohmane was close friends with Bannie Satter's 396 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:12.320 father and was Supreme Leader when he helped them become Prime minister. Anyway, 397 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:17.440 Dannie Sator claimed that the allegations about the October Surprise were true. Something he 398 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.320 said he figured out after the fact, but still A source we've talked about 399 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.400 in the last episode that backed up this claim was Ari Ben Menashi, who 400 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:32.320 was an Israeli intelligence officer that was prominent on the Inslack case. Here's something 401 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.880 else quote This one's potentially fucked up. It won't sound that way, but 402 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.000 it will be later. Quote. There is a twenty one hour gap in 403 00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.880 George Bush's schedule corresponding to the time he is supposed to have been in Paris 404 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:53.440 negotiating the hostage detainment and conflicting stories from Bush and his staff about what he 405 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:59.760 was doing when the alleged negotiations with the Iranians took place. In an AFID 406 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:05.920 Daydavid attorney Paul D. Wiltshire sent to Attorney General Janet Reno, He too, 407 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:12.119 detailed the existence of a shadow government, paralleling in precise terms the Castelero 408 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:17.199 octopus and their participation in the October Surprise. Quote Within the quote, the 409 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:23.239 October Surprise Treason refers to the top secret trip then vice presidential candidate and former 410 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:29.280 CIA Director George Bush, along with a planeful of some twenty five to thirty 411 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:35.800 other top CIA covert operatives, including a handful of prominent Republican and Democratic senators 412 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:40.119 and congressmen, took to Paris on the weekend of October eighteenth and nineteenth, 413 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:46.559 nineteen eighty. While in Paris, Bush secretly met with representatives of Ayatola Comane 414 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:52.239 paid them pribes in the amount of forty million dollars and promised to deliver to 415 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.960 the man additional five billion dollars in arms. The shipments of these arms began 416 00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:04.599 flowing even before the election, in exchange for the Iranians agreement not to release 417 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.400 the fifty two American hostages they held in Tehran until after the November fourth, 418 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:15.239 nineteen eighty US presidential elections, in order to guarantee the humiliation and defeat of 419 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:21.639 President Jimmy Carter in that election, and in order to cement the CIA's block 420 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:31.760 on the White House for the next twelve years under George Bush. What what 421 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:37.199 what what? What's the what's insane? Yeah? It is. Do you 422 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:42.960 believe this? Ah? Yeah, a little bit. Wow. There's actually 423 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.440 more stuff later on that kind of details. Back to at that twenty one 424 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.320 hour gap, okay, okay, but yeah overall, Yeah, they talk 425 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.599 a lot about that weekend. H yeah. Uh yeah. I'm not gonna 426 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:59.119 play it. I'm gonna let's go rolling on. There's a lot to unpack 427 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:07.119 there. Remember, Remember, this is happening, or allegedly happening, just 428 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:12.559 as the Apartment of Justice, via shadowy figures in the American intelligence community are 429 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.719 gearing up to steal the promised software from William Hamilton and insult. This is 430 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:22.000 when the Cavison Wackenhot partnership was flourishing as they made and shipped weapons to god 431 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:27.400 knows where. Think of the alleged promise of five billion dollars worth of arms 432 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.760 to Iran. I just quoted right. This is when the BCCI is thriving 433 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.920 with corrupt loans and branches, when the CIA used the bank accounts to help 434 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:42.719 their interests in places like Iran. This time also leads. This time also 435 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.199 leads to more people speaking out like we can a Shooto and Cassillaro and Wiltshire. 436 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:51.360 This attorney, Paul Wiltscher is very interesting and will be coming up later, 437 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.000 but I will say now that he was the last of three lawyers that 438 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.280 tried to help we kin a Shooto when he was behind bars in the nineteen 439 00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:02.800 nineties in Ariban. Mnashi knows so much about this Paris meeting is because he 440 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:07.639 says he was there as well as we can Shudo, who said he helped 441 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.679 facilitate such meetings and bribes for the higher ups, so they were like Lackey 442 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.719 level people. One of those higher ups was an asshole we talked about in 443 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.119 the last show. Or O'Brien, the man with CIA connections and tech companies 444 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:27.039 that stole the promise software from anslaw quote amazingly, even we can shoot those 445 00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:31.440 allegations about Brian's involvement in the so called October Surprise could also be verified, 446 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:36.559 at least to a degree. Brian had told several persons that he planned to 447 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:40.400 visit Paris the weekend of the October Surprise meetings, and Ariban Menashi, who 448 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.880 claimed to be present that the Paris meetings, said, quote, I saw 449 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:52.920 Brian in Paris unquote. What do you think of that? What do I 450 00:39:52.000 --> 00:40:00.719 think? With the connections? Now with the arms? M wow. Now 451 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.320 back to the Kabazan band of Mission Indians, and right back to the first 452 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:13.119 episode and second episode. WHOA Okay? There were investigations into the October Surprise. 453 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.639 Of course. The TV news series Frontline produced a documentary in nineteen ninety 454 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:22.800 one which investigated evidence about how both the Carter and Reagan camps may have tried 455 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.599 to forge secret deals with the Iranian hostages. A man named Gary Sick. 456 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:32.480 He's not sick, his name is sick. Gary Sick published an editorial in 457 00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.320 The New York Times in November nineteen ninety one and wrote a book titled October 458 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:43.800 Surprise, America's Hostages in Iran and the election of Ronald Reagan. Six's credibility 459 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.079 was high because he was a retired naval captain who had served on Ford's, 460 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:53.480 Carter's and Reagan's National Security Council. Quote. Sick wrote that in October nineteen 461 00:40:53.519 --> 00:41:00.360 eighty, officials in Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign, including future CIA director William Casey, 462 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.920 made a secret deal with Iran to delay the release of the American hostages 463 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.079 until after the election. In return for this, the United States purportedly arranged 464 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:15.559 for Israel to ship weapons to Iranquote. The Senate investigation in November nineteen ninety 465 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.760 two found that the evidence fell short to prove this October Surprise theory. In 466 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.880 nineteen ninety three, the House of Representatives report concluded the same. For the 467 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.159 public and skeptics of the politics of that era, they immediately saw that there 468 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:36.159 was something suspicious with those fifty two hostages when Iran released them only minutes after 469 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.800 Ronald Reagan concluded his twenty minute inaugural address. They were not very subtle about 470 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:44.880 this. No no, no, no. Now you look at it, 471 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.079 but as not result, there was so much chatter concerning the October Surprise, 472 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:53.119 the name coined in an issue of Executive Intelligence Review in December nineteen eighty. 473 00:41:53.880 --> 00:42:00.280 However, the height of this conspiracy came years into the Oreagan administration and the 474 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:07.519 Iron Contra affair occurred. Publications like Newsweek had said that the Iron Contra created 475 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:12.440 fertile ground for the October Surprise theory, meaning since this affair, which broke 476 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.719 in November of nineteen eighty six, was true, then it makes sense that 477 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.679 the October Surprise one could be too. Right. Quote an article by Bob 478 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.400 Woodward and Walter Pinkus A few days later in the November twenty ninth, nineteen 479 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:29.960 eighty six, The Washington Post said that the United States officials tied to Reagan 480 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:36.360 well before the Iron Contra affair, considered an initiative to sell US made military 481 00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.920 parts to Iran in exchange for the hostage just held there. The House October 482 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:47.760 Surprise Task Force credited the Woodward Pinkus article as raising claims that would become keystones 483 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:53.719 in the October Surprise theory. Unquote, you know Bob woodwood Oh, absolutely, 484 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:59.519 Bernstein, that's the Bob Woodward Right, who teamed up with Kyle Bernstein 485 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.960 and did the reporting on the Watergate scandal that led to Nixon's downfall. The 486 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:08.119 famous film All the President's Men is based on this. This is yepantastic, 487 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.119 exactly fantastic movie. This is deep throw territory we're talking about. Yes, 488 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.760 the Aran Contra affair is far more convoluted, but that's because it builds on 489 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.760 previous history, like the October Surprise theory and the overall American involvement in the 490 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.599 Middle East. I'll try my best to simplify. The following comes from history 491 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:34.679 dot Com. I went simpler on this quote because quote the Iran Contra affair 492 00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:38.039 was a secret US arms deal that traded missiles and other arms to free some 493 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:45.519 Americans held hostage by terrorists in Lebanon, but also used funds to I'm sorry, 494 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.960 but also use funds from the arms deal to support armed conflict in Nicaragua. 495 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.840 The controversial deal, the ensuing political scandal threatened to bring down the presidency 496 00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:00.920 of Ronald Reagan. Unquote that's maybe too simplified. Let's add some color. 497 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:06.159 Winning the White House didn't have the political momentum Reagan needed to push his agendas, 498 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.239 especially when the GOP was taken from the majority in both the Senate and 499 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:15.800 the House. This resulted in the Reagan Doctrine, which is a promise to 500 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.719 assist anti communist insurgencies around the world. You can see where this is going 501 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:28.599 Already, having taken down, having taken control of Congress Democrats, Democrats passed 502 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:34.079 something called the Bolan Amendment, which restricted the activities of the CIA and the 503 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:38.960 DoD in foreign conflicts. This amendment was supposed to prevent things like the Iron 504 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:45.519 Kanter affair and the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Quote. Meanwhile, in the Middle 505 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.880 East, where US relations with many nations were strained to the breaking point, 506 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.599 two regional powers, Iraq and Iran, were engaged in bloody conflict. At 507 00:44:54.599 --> 00:45:00.320 the same time, Iranian backed terrorists and Hesbolah were holding hot seven Americans, 508 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:07.920 diplomatic, private contractors, and Lebanon. Reagan delivered another ultimatum to his advisors 509 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:13.679 find a way to bring those hossages home. In nineteen eighty five, McFarland 510 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.599 sought to do just that. He told Reagan that Iran had approached the United 511 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:23.320 States about purchasing weapons for its war against neighboring Iraq. There was, however, 512 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:28.599 a US trade embarber with Iran at the time, dating back to that 513 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:35.159 country's revolution and subsequent overthrow of We talked of ahm SHAHPAHIAVII of Iran, during 514 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.159 which fifty two American hostages were held for four hundred and forty four days in 515 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:43.119 a diplomatic stand up known as the Iran Hostage Crisis or for US, the 516 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:49.519 October Surprise. Although several months of Reagan's administration opposed it, including Secretary of 517 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:54.400 State George Schultz and Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger, McFarland argued that an arms 518 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:59.320 deal with Iran would not only secure the release of the hostages, but it 519 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:04.039 would help United States improve relations with Lebanon, providing the country with an ally 520 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.840 and a region where it desperately needed one. And as an aside, the 521 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:14.079 arm steel would secure funds that the CIA could secretly funnel to the Contra to 522 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:19.159 the Contra insurgency in Nicaragua. This is with the backing So with the backing 523 00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:23.840 of McFarland and CIA Director William Casey, Reagan pushed ahead with the trade over 524 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:30.320 the objections of Wineberger and Schust. So in comes Oliver North. Have you 525 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:35.039 heard of him? Yes, it's okay, so even you know, Okay, 526 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.000 Well, if I can real quick, what I remember is when I 527 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.679 would come home from school, I would want to go to the TV and 528 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.239 watch some cartoons. Man, but every day was the goddamn I ran iron 529 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:52.079 contract scandal with fucking Oliver North sitting there getting deposed, and I couldn't watch 530 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.480 my cartoons. That that was the center of my life. Yes, it 531 00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:00.239 was disrupting my life. I know that happened. Yes, I definitely that 532 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:01.519 pain. Wow, that's pretty funny. That's how you know, that's how 533 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:05.159 you remember him. So like maybe Jay's too young for this, you know, 534 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.239 but like because you're old by in reality you're not that cold. Um, 535 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.960 so you were just a child. But I guess you remember the waking 536 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.079 breaking atomaniacs or whatever. Medi mouse to bring you this message, right, 537 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.199 all right, So in comes Oliver North. By the time this arms deal 538 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:27.400 was reported in the press, first by Al Jhazero, the Lebanese newspaper in 539 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.199 nineteen eighty six, the Americans had sold fifteen hundred missiles to Iran for thirty 540 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:38.079 million dollars. Attorney General Edwin miss launched an investigation and found that eighteen out 541 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:44.239 of the twenty million were missing or on account for quote. It was then 542 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:49.599 that Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council came forward to acknowledge that 543 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.440 he had diverted their missing funds to the Contrast in Nicaragua, who used them 544 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.719 to you know, acquire weapons. North said that he had done so with 545 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:05.599 the full knowledge of Nashville Security Advisor Admirald John Poindexter. He assumed Reagan was 546 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.599 also aware of his efforts. I talked about Edwin Nice in the last show 547 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:15.239 as having connections with earlbrien, helping him with inslaw and stealing promise from Bill 548 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:20.960 Hamilton. Anyway, it was seen that Reagan's lack of oversight enabled the people 549 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:25.119 he appointed to divert fronts to the Contrast funds to the Contrast. Despite the 550 00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:30.159 fact that this followed the Reagan doctrine, he said he wasn't fully aware and 551 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:35.400 only partially. The press and colleagues hounded the Reagan administration over this, and 552 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:40.719 LA launched several investigations. An eight year investigation led to fourteen people being charged 553 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.440 for what was called the Iron Contra affair, including Oliver North. Poindexter and 554 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:51.599 McFarland. Remember what I said in the last episode about conspiracies, Even if 555 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.840 unaware, you are responsible for your actions when charged or tied to a conspiracy. 556 00:48:55.280 --> 00:49:00.760 Hence why people like Poindexter was charged. It should be no that Reagan 557 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.639 was never charged and key players like North were given slaps on the wrists for 558 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.119 the laws they broke. The bold and Amendment I mentioned earlier was meant to 559 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:13.840 stop something like this from happening. Some people in power saw what places like 560 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.280 Lebanon, Iran, and Nicaragua were leading to and tried to take actions with 561 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:22.960 the amendment, but it failed. You see, the anti communist group the 562 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:28.159 Contrasts, were fighting the communist government called the Sandinistas while Reagan was in office. 563 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.480 Reagan described the contrasts asked, quote the moral equivalent of the founding fathers 564 00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:37.159 unquote. I know, yes, he's an actor. What do you want? 565 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.920 Right? And wanted to help. Again, as one can see from 566 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.280 the Reagan doctrine, it makes sense he would want to help. He asked 567 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.480 is he asked his National security advisor, Robert McFarland, to find a way 568 00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:54.599 to assist, no matter the monetary of political costs. Where are the connections 569 00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:59.760 between this Iron Contra affair and the Octopus? You might ask, I'm going 570 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:04.079 to quote a paragraph from the last show. It's now I'm requoting myself. 571 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:09.000 This is ridiculous. Yes, sorry, that wasn't the script. It's part 572 00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:14.000 of the affid David Michael Bikinishudo made and March first, nineteen eighty one. 573 00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:21.000 Quote the Wackenhat Cabston joint venture was intended to support the needs of a number 574 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:25.719 of foreign government's forces, including forces and governments in Central America and the Middle 575 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:31.119 East. The contras in Nicaragua represented one of the most important priorities for the 576 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:37.000 joint venture. Unquote, there it is. That's it. I did all 577 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.119 that just just to tie that one in there. I don't really have to 578 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:44.679 say anymore because you know all about that reservation, the security firm with ties 579 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:49.360 to the Middle East, rote government elements selling install software to other countries, 580 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:54.400 and now the banking and political opportunities they took to understand this, everything is 581 00:50:54.440 --> 00:51:06.920 connected. It's yeah, it's amazing, it really is. Yeah, so 582 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:12.320 is his Octamus. Maybe this is too soon. Is Octopus the shadow government 583 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.559 that everyone's always talking about? Yes, the one I mentioned that wheelchair quoted. 584 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:21.679 Yes, that's what they are. Shit, You're like, shit, 585 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:27.480 where am I gonna do that? Uh? Yeah, that was funny. 586 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:35.599 That was the funny. Yeah. So that's the Reagan administration segment. So 587 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.679 much unseaid really, but that's how connect to us. Now I want to 588 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:44.559 the next one here. Lets see, have you heard of the Knugan Handbank 589 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:49.800 scandal. I have not. This one I added in late in the show. 590 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.639 I wasn't gonna add it in, but then I found too much connections, 591 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.360 of course, so I went with it. So this next segment, 592 00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:02.079 this next segment is shorter but potent. Nougan Handbank was an Australian merchant bank 593 00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:07.400 that had a short life span of seven years from seventy three to nineteen eighty. 594 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:13.119 Founded by an Australian lawyer, Frank Nugan and co founded by former US 595 00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:19.599 Green Beret Michael John Hand or Mike Hand. This bank is the smaller yet 596 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:24.679 still loud version of the BCCI in its controversy and illegal activities. According to 597 00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:30.400 our historian, the bank was formed with a fraudulent claim of one million dollars 598 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.440 in share capital, and Neugan wrote his own company a personal check of nine 599 00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.440 hundred and eighty thousand dollars to buy four hundred and ninety thousand shares of its 600 00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:49.840 stock. This bank attracted I see your head? Sorry, what kind of 601 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.639 balls that people have here? The bank attracted investors with promises of up to 602 00:52:53.760 --> 00:53:07.039 sixteen percent interest rates on their deposits. What right I would join that ship 603 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:14.079 too? So what promises up to sixteen percent? Inter I can you can't 604 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:17.159 even say it? What a straight face that is? That's like, uh, 605 00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:21.400 sorry, finding the pot at the end of the rainbow. Holy shit, 606 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:29.360 yes, clearly sorry, seriousness, promises of up to sixteen percent interest 607 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:35.639 rates on their deposits, and assurances of anonymity and tax reaccounts. Right after 608 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.239 its collapse, a former employee said that the newgan Hand Bank paid commission of 609 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:45.519 up to two point five percent on unsecured investments of one million dollars or more, 610 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.960 while the standard at the time was only point five percent. Amazing, 611 00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:55.920 They had special investment assistance and services such as money laundering. Who knew they 612 00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:00.679 have that on? Why not? It's I'm telling you it must have been. 613 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:02.480 The way people talk about it, it must have been. That's the 614 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.320 only way it makes sense to me. Quote. Nougan Hand rapidly gained business 615 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:13.760 and expanded its offices from a single Sydney office to a global network that included 616 00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:19.679 branches in Chiang Mai, Manila, Hawaii, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, 617 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.159 Washington, d C. And the Cayman Islands where it was registered where 618 00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:29.920 we talked about Kyman. I. Of course, the Chiang Mai office in 619 00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:35.679 Thailand was interesting because it was the heart of the Golden Triangle heroin trade. 620 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.760 Perfect for money laundering, really the perfect spot. Really wow. It reminds 621 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:45.199 me of BCCI setting up shopping Colombia for the cocaine. Absolutely m hm. 622 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.840 Anyway, Nugan Bank gained a certain level of respectability when it hired or by 623 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:58.840 hiring retired US military and intelligence personnel, such as former Rear Admiral Ropyates and 624 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:04.559 bank president and CIA head William Colby. This Colby character is someone to watch 625 00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:08.079 out for. In World War Two he served with the Office of Strategic Services. 626 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:14.960 Afterwards, Colby joined the newly created CIA and became station chief in Saigon. 627 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:21.239 Before and during the Vietnam War, he was overseer of the Phoenix Operation. 628 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:23.320 Have you ever heard of the Phoenix Operation? I haven't known, or 629 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:29.760 Operation Phoenix Maybe, which was designed by the CIA and involved the US, 630 00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:37.320 Australia and South Vietnamese to identify and destroy Via Kong. This included infiltration, 631 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:43.599 torture, capture, counter terrorism, and assassination, and may also explained his 632 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:47.559 Australian connection to joining Nougan Bank later on. For the record, I, 633 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.840 like other people in the series, believe Colby to be a member of the 634 00:55:51.920 --> 00:56:00.599 Octopus Yes anyway. Nougan Handbank's downfall was precipitated by the death of Frankkugan on 635 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.760 January twenty seventh, nineteen eighty. He was facing charges on stock fraud when 636 00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.719 he was found dead in his car in New South Wales by a thirty caliber 637 00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:14.719 rifle shot. It was deemed a suicide, but the lack of fingerprints on 638 00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:19.760 the weapon and questions regarding the police who found Nougan dead were left unanswered. 639 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:24.039 Also, people thought it suspicious when William Colby's business card was found in the 640 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.519 vehicle. Shit. I don't know if it was a calling card of what 641 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:31.960 he was doing from here. People asked more questions about the bank and its 642 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:38.599 dealings, which led to investigations Michael Hand and early Yates had ordered important company 643 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:45.000 documents destroyed or hidden, as the authorities found Nugan's office ransacked. This apparent 644 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:51.679 suicide made front page news, and after destroying records, Hand fled Australia under 645 00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:57.159 a false identity In June nineteen eighty. There were three major investigations from New 646 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:01.320 South Wales and the Royal Commission of Inquiry looking into the scandal and his drug 647 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:08.000 money connections, which even included a link to former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos to 648 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:14.320 the bank he was using. That other bank too would set him. You 649 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.760 remember it's good, Yeah, it's good. I'm glad. I was worried 650 00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:22.840 that people would dismiss that early quote. The Royal Commission found that the Knugan 651 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.280 Hand Bank was implicated in money laundering, illegal tax avoidance schemes, and widespread 652 00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:32.639 violations of banking laws. One witness, a former New Hand director, stated 653 00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:37.480 that Hand threatened bank executives quote within the quote. If we didn't do what 654 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:42.800 we were told and things weren't handle property, our wives would be cut into 655 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.920 pieces and put in boxes and sent back to us. However, the Royal 656 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:52.719 Commission did not find credible evidence of drug smuggling arms dealing and the CAA involvement 657 00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:59.800 unquote sure yeah, sure, sure, Jan, to which I say, 658 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:05.880 what, how do what this results astonish people? And ultimately said that the 659 00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:10.159 Royal Commission, from a government's perspective, decided that having a good relations having 660 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:20.199 good relationships with the Australian Security Intelligence Organization ASIO and the CIA was more important 661 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.679 than implicating them. So it was a political reason why he said that, 662 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:29.360 I think now what happened to Mike Hand. He was technically never found or 663 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:34.239 should I say, never brought to justice an Australian magazine in nineteen ninety one. 664 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:38.400 This is ten years or so after an Australian magazine nineteen ninety one reported 665 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:44.440 that Hann was living in the United States, even giving details like the address 666 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:50.280 in the article oh doocked, Yeah right, The Australian government did not make 667 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.239 a move to any on any possible extradition. By the way, In the 668 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:58.400 book titled Merchants of Menace, I love that Merchants of Mena is the true 669 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:00.719 story of the New and Hand Bank scandal, author Peter but I swear to 670 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:06.639 God that's his last name. Butt. Peter but said that Hand was living 671 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:12.039 under the name of Michael John Fuller in Idaho Falls, Idaho. The book 672 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.760 was published in twenty fifteen, so he's still not caught. It's mine so 673 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:20.400 as far as we know anyway, I guess that we see an obituary for 674 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:22.559 Michael John Fuller than we were, then we can say, oh, okay, 675 00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:29.159 he died anyway. As usual, the connections between the Octopus and the 676 00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:34.639 Newgan Hand Bank was emphasized by Danny Casilero. Through Michael Wikneshudo, he was 677 00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.920 able to find these drug connections like the Golden Triangle trade, as well as 678 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:45.039 arms deals. Quote Other newg and Hand of officers included a network of US 679 00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:51.239 generals, admirals, and CIA employees. Their identities officially surfaced two decades later 680 00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:57.920 in Texas when a judge unsealed classified CIA internal documents in response to an appeal 681 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:04.519 filed in a US and a sorry in a Houston federal court. The appeal 682 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:09.119 was filed by Edwin Wilson, a former CIA agent convicted in the US for 683 01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:15.800 selling C four high explosives to Libya and charged with supplying trained men, arms 684 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:22.000 and technology to Libya and other military buyers. He had served seventeen years of 685 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:28.679 a twenty five year sentence and was eligible for parole at his nineteen eighty three 686 01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:35.320 trial. Wilson never identified his compatriots with the NEWGENHN galaxy, but David Adler, 687 01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:39.440 his appeals lawyer, in nineteen ninety nine, reviewed hundreds of CIA documents 688 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:46.400 confirming Wilson's relationship with William Colby, Thomas Kleins, Bernie Houghton, and others 689 01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:51.760 with Nougan Hand Bank and as an aside, real quick, all of these 690 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:55.199 are artuples people. They're all octopus people, except for Bernie Houghton probably, 691 01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:00.960 but William Colby, Thomas clients, Edwin Wilson, Yeah, just an't aside. 692 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:01.639 I don't know why didn't put that in the script, but I'm just 693 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:06.039 telling you just between you and I, you know, between us girls. 694 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:09.239 Yeah, Betwen, those girls. The Texas Observer had reported in nineteen ninety 695 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:15.400 one the CIA officials Theodore Shackley, chief of clandestine operations in the Far East 696 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:21.280 in the mid nineteen seventies, and Thomas Kleins, along with their subordinate Edwin 697 01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:27.840 Wilson, utilized secret bank accounts at Nougan Hand to fund a variety of COVID 698 01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:35.239 operations, including destabilization of Australia's Labor Party in seventy five. Both Shackley and 699 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:39.199 clients would later resurface as key figures in the Iron Contra scandal. I never 700 01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:44.239 mentioned them on purpose. By the way, Maurice Bernard Houghton, the closest 701 01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:49.559 friend and advisor to Michael Hann, had daringly traded goods all over Southeast Asia 702 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:54.119 war zone in the nineteen sixties. The mysterious Texan played an active role in 703 01:01:54.199 --> 01:02:00.639 Nougan Hand's affairs since its exception in nineteen seventy three. Acording to The Wall 704 01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:07.239 Street Journal in nineteen eighty two, unquote all that was quote. It should 705 01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:10.280 be noted that no one connected with Noogan Hand has ever been convicted of a 706 01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:15.239 car no one. I will also note something that it is obvious about Edwin 707 01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:21.239 Wilson's sentence. The quote mentioned that in addition to explosives and trained men, 708 01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:25.119 he sold technology to Libya. That technology was most likely the promised software. 709 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.079 Nineteen eighty three fits the timeline, and Libya does show up on the long 710 01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:36.960 list of countries where people like earlbrien sold the inslas software. Lastly, I'll 711 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.159 note that we are getting further back in time here the octopus potentrals didn't just 712 01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:45.320 operate in the seventies and eighties and nineties. We just got our first real 713 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:49.920 series of hits from the fifties and sixties with the creation of the CIA and 714 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:53.960 highly suspected individuals that operated in the Vietnam War. Food for thought. As 715 01:02:54.000 --> 01:03:00.280 we sink deeper here, you know what I've realized so far listening to the 716 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:06.719 these episodes. I live a real boring fucking life. I mean, these 717 01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.559 guys are just they have their hands and everything. Oh pie, well, 718 01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:14.800 pie, put my hand in that one, all right, Oh pie, 719 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:19.400 boring life I live, Jesus, that's funny that that's how you get out 720 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:23.960 of Sorry no, oh no, this this next one's gonna it's gonna break 721 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:28.599 your heart or no, or lift your spirits, do both at once. 722 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:35.199 We'll see. This next segment is called Connections, Suspects and Mysterious. That's 723 01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:40.320 yes, okay, your face all right, look, yeah, it is 724 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:45.000 is that one. Yes, this section might be the most interesting one and 725 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:50.800 the longest. It'll basically cover everything I couldn't fit into all the previous segments 726 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:55.920 and the trilogy of the episodes. It is because it's this is because I 727 01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:01.320 thought it might confuse and already confusing spider Web information or a point of a 728 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:04.760 story I was trying to tell. Or it could be because I felt the 729 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:10.840 juicier to wait until this time to reveal it now that the major Octopus events 730 01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:15.639 have been revealed, or I just fucking forgot will I did forget some key 731 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:20.679 things up for real, I will disclose mini biles on people suspected as members 732 01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:26.559 of the Octopus. These entries have no particular order, and their lengths vary, 733 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:29.920 and I'll pause for a moment between them. Expect a lot of quotes 734 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:35.079 here. I'm going to start with an easy one. I'm gonna start with 735 01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:39.519 an easy one. Back on the Octopus Murders the first show of this series, 736 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:44.079 when discussing Danny Casilero, I mentioned that a few days before his death, 737 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.960 Danny had shown his friend Ben Mason several important papers about his research. 738 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:54.960 One of those was a photocopy of a passport of someone named Ibrahim. Authorities 739 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:59.119 found, yes, remember, authorities found no connections to this Ibraim, But 740 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:03.400 it was obvious that people believed that Castilero might have met him in Martinsburg in 741 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:09.480 a Martinsburg bar a day before he died. The reason I never explained it 742 01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:14.320 at the time because I wasn't yet sure where it would lead, and I 743 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:16.119 didn't have enough information to reveal it. But no, now I do. 744 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:24.000 He showed him a twenty two point outline for his book, plus alarming papers 745 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:28.559 referring to the Iron Contra arms deals. He had photocopies of a one million 746 01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:32.880 dollar check and a four million dollar check drawn from BCCI accounts that were held 747 01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:40.760 by an international arms merchant named Annan Koshogi by another arms dealer and middleman to 748 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:45.800 the Iron Contra scandal, Manucher Gurbanifar. I love that name. She just 749 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:49.360 loves saying that Gerbonifart anyway. It's like a Pokemon Gobonifar. I choose you 750 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:56.400 anyway. In this stack of photocopies, Ben Mason noticed Abraham's passport as the 751 01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:00.679 last sheet quote. Castilero had emphasized that Ibrahim had made a big deal of 752 01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:06.800 showing him Cassilero his Egyptian passport. Ibrahim was obviously the informant of whom Olga 753 01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:14.320 Casilero's housekeeper had seen sitting in the kitchen with Danny on August fifth. Hassan 754 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:19.679 Ali Ibraim Ali born in nineteen twenty eight, was later identified as the manager 755 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:27.639 of Citico, an alleged Iraqi front company for arms purchases. Castilera had obtained 756 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:31.880 these papers from his confidante Bob Bickle, who in turn obtained them from October 757 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:39.480 surprise source Richard Brenneke. Neither Danny or Bob Bickle were aware at the time 758 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:44.679 of a document from the US Department of Justice dated May sixteenth, nineteen eighty 759 01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:50.199 five, written by William Bradford Bradford Reynolds, Assistantney Attorney General in the Civil 760 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:58.079 Rights Division, to William Weld, United States Attorney in Boston, advising mister 761 01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.760 Well that the promised software was being provided to an Arab chiek for resale and 762 01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:06.960 general distribution in his region. The letter read as follows, Dear mister Wild, 763 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:15.480 as agreed Messer's manager gurbanifar Adnan Kashogi and Richard Armitage will broke the transaction 764 01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:23.079 of promised software to Sikh Khalid bin Mafus for resale and general distribution as gives 765 01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:28.840 in his region, contingent upon the three conditions we last spoke of promise. 766 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:33.800 Promise the software it means must have a soft arrival, no paperwork, customs 767 01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:39.480 or delay. It must be equipped with a special data retrieval unit. As 768 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:44.880 before, you must walk the financial aspects through Credit Suis into National Commerce Bank. 769 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.400 If you encounter any problems, contact me directly, Sincerely, W. 770 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:55.360 M. Bradford Reynolds, Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division, Bill Hamilton, 771 01:07:55.800 --> 01:08:00.360 owner of Inslaw, said he had received this document in the in November 772 01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:08.000 two thousand and four from a consistently reliable US intelligence source. He said Donald 773 01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:12.719 Carr showed the document to Bradford Reynolds in two thousand and five. Carr was 774 01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:17.520 writing a biography on of Elliott Richardson and served with Reynolds in the Edwin MEAs 775 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:26.359 and Richard Thornberg Justice Department as a Republican political appointee. Reynolds authenticated the document. 776 01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.199 He told Carr that Lowell Jansen's secretary brought the letter to him for signature 777 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:34.399 because Jensen was out of the building, the letter needed to be sent that 778 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:40.439 day and it needed to be signed by someone in Edwin Mes's inner circle. 779 01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:45.159 He said he signed the letter but did not draft it. Reynolds said he 780 01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.800 had a vague recollection that MYE recused himself on promise when he became a Churney 781 01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:55.159 general in February nineteen eighty five, and Jensen said therefore to handle promise. 782 01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:01.600 Reynolds told Carr that he had an independent memory of Armitage and Garbanifar working together 783 01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:08.960 on promise. I know, I know. Yes. The names that sound 784 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:12.960 familiar to you have been talked about before in this series. Elliott Richardson, 785 01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:16.439 Edwin mess and Richard Thornberg are all mentioned in the last episode. Yeah, 786 01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:21.000 Elli Richardson being the Hotsha lawyer that said fuck you Nixon to Watergate. Yeah. 787 01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:25.760 All copies of this document were supposed to be destroyed, but somehow made 788 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:29.880 it to Hamilton in two thousand and four. Firstly, I wanted to get 789 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.560 I wanted to get to Adnan Kashogi and other names like Monusher, Garbanifar, 790 01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:38.680 and they ran contra sction of this episode. But the flow would have been 791 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:43.399 interrupted when I was connecting Casilero and the Octopus to the Reagan administration. So 792 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.640 here we are. Anyway, this Anan Kashogi. Have you heard of him? 793 01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:51.800 Okay? Adnan Kashogi was a big deal in several circles. He was 794 01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:57.239 the richest man in the world. In the nineteen eighties, and his yacht 795 01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:02.520 Nabila was used in the James Bond film Never Say Never Again. Oh Okay, 796 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:08.279 he had his own custom monopoly board game of his properties. Oh you 797 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:12.520 Son of a Bitch. Yeah. And the Queen has a song called Koshogi 798 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:19.479 Ship No Shit Yeah, popular deal Yeah. Kashogi's sister, Samira was the 799 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:24.960 mother of Dodi Sayed Dotie Zayet. You know that name. It sounds that 800 01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:29.279 sounds familiar. That should You're also find out. Kashogi's sister, Samira was 801 01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.760 the mother of Dodi Sayad, an Egyptian and millionaire film producer who was romantically 802 01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:38.960 involved with Princess Diana of Wales. That's it. They both died on August 803 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:43.399 thirty first, nineteen ninety seven in Paris. Became one of the most televised 804 01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:47.960 tragedies in that decade, spawning many films and documentaries and conspiracies. By the 805 01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:51.600 way, I'm not saying that that the octopus has anything to do with Princess 806 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:55.399 Diana's untimely Oh. I thought that. I was, like, I mean, 807 01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:59.159 people are people definitely say that I'm not Silla. Yes, people say 808 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:03.800 that I'm only establishing Adnan Koshogi's wealth and power and that again everything is connected. 809 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.199 That should be show. That's why I should call a show Everything's connect 810 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:13.560 because everyone should cut it through their skulls. Anyway, Kashogi was a key 811 01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:17.960 MetalMan in the Iron Contra affair in the exchange of arms for hostages, along 812 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:24.960 with Gorbatnevar. This was a complex series of events where co investigators found that 813 01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:30.079 money borrow from BCCI was used for these arm purchase arms purchases having the US 814 01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:34.880 and Saudi backing. In addition to this, Kashogi was arrested in nineteen eighty 815 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:40.680 eight for hiding funds, was held for three months before being extradited to the 816 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:45.119 US, where he was acquitted. Of course, yeah, the US in 817 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:50.800 nineteen ninety acquitted Kashogi and Emilda Marcos, widow of Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos, 818 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:56.640 of fraud and bracketeering. In case you're not sure, I mentioned fernand Marcos 819 01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:00.039 ever so briefly on the show as having ties to both BCCI and the Newgan 820 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:04.720 Hand Bank. I also mentioned that a Lebanese magazine, Al Shazero, was 821 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:10.000 first to break the story of the Iran Contra affair. They were tipped off 822 01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:15.479 by a regular contributor of this series, Ari Ben Menashi. I'm sorry I 823 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.840 lied, but that wasn't so easy. Instead of one, I gave you 824 01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:23.720 like five connections there that began with the passport. This is how research for 825 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.119 the show has been for me. I read something about a company and the 826 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:30.800 people that run it, and they are close friends with people with another event 827 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.319 or affair, which in turn are connected to a government project of some kind. 828 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:42.239 And before you can say octopus, you're loss and I'm lost. Well 829 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:45.279 said that was just that the whole thing. I just wrote it verbatim as 830 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:49.920 I followed through the line of research. That's how it would look like if 831 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:57.000 I didn't like pad it. Wow, okay, yeah, yeah, ok 832 01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:00.920 yeah, I'm sorry. Don't worry. That's the only jokey. I mean, 833 01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:03.439 it's real, it's all real. But like that's the only one that's 834 01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:09.760 like that. All right, this next one? What is it? Oh? 835 01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:13.039 I know, I'm trying to read ahead, see where I'm at. 836 01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:17.640 I'm going to quote a series of connections from Cherry Seamer's book The Last Circle, 837 01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:20.640 as I have been you know, here and there to springboard a man 838 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:30.319 I want to discuss quote Cassilera was also investigating Colonel bo Gritz's expose of CIA 839 01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:35.199 drug trafficking in the Golden Triangle and had requested to meet with a former police 840 01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:44.760 officer who had information on Losan Laosian Laoshan Nowsian warlord Kun Saus Golden Triangle drug 841 01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:49.439 trade proposal to the US. Grits had staged several expeditions to Laos in search 842 01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:57.000 of missing POW's but reportedly stumbled upon a massive drug network in Southeast Asia and 843 01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:01.359 American POWs were intertwined in that network, he told the Sacramento Bee in June 844 01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:06.039 sixth, nineteen eighty seven. Grits had been indicted in May in May of 845 01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:11.840 nineteen eighty seven for using a false passport under the name of Patrick Richard Clark 846 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:16.840 from Vancouver, Canada, but at his arraignment before a US magistrate in Las 847 01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:24.520 Vegas, he said he had proper authorization for his travels. Cassilero also learned 848 01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:30.079 through Sacramento b newspaper article dated June second, nineteen ninety that Patrick Moriarty, 849 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:36.359 the Red Devil Fireworks magnet, convicted of money laundering, political contributions and bribing 850 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:43.119 officials in Sacramento had been subpoenaed to testify on behalf of Grits. At his 851 01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:47.560 trial in Las Vegas, Gritz was acquitted of the charges. Moriarty's lawyer, 852 01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:54.279 Jan Lawrence Hanslick told The Bee that Moriarty had paid Grits to make business trips 853 01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:59.039 to China, Singapore and other parts of Asia. Grid set his business trip 854 01:14:59.079 --> 01:15:03.039 to Asia in July eighty nine was for the purpose of negotiating an oil interest 855 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:09.000 that he and Moriarty had set up between the People's Republic of China and Indonesia. 856 01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:14.680 At the time of Gritz's trial, Patrick Moriarty was a long time thirty 857 01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:21.960 years partner of Marshall Riconashudo, Michael Vicunashutto's father. They owned several California businesses 858 01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:27.840 together, two of which were Hercules Research Corporation, of which Michael was a 859 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:33.720 partner, and Pyrotronics Corporation. I privately mused after reading the b article that 860 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:40.479 Michael Hand, before he founded Neugan Handbank in Australia with Frank Neugan and officials 861 01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:45.960 and officials of the CIA owned Air America, had been a highly decorated Special 862 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:51.399 Forces Green Beret soldier in Vietnam. Colonel Bo Gritz was also a highly decorated 863 01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:57.279 Green Beret in Vietnam. In both grits in Hand had special knowledge of intelligence 864 01:15:57.319 --> 01:16:02.840 operations in Golden Triangle. After his first stint in Vietnam, Hand moved to 865 01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:10.279 the clandestine CIA war in Laos. According to a former station chief in Indonesia, 866 01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:15.560 Ted Shackley, the newgen Handbank, a primary CIA operation in the Pacific 867 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:21.439 area, reportedly laundered profits from drug trafficking in the Golden Triangle, which in 868 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:30.119 turn financed subversive paramilitary activities in Southeast Asia in nineteen eighty. I know in 869 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:34.239 nineteen eighty the newgen Handbank collapse, collapsed, five million dollars in debt and 870 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:40.239 Michael Han disappeared unquote, and we know the rest of that story. So 871 01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:45.760 that is a long connection of frequent Issu's lineage his father that leads into what 872 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:48.600 led to the Nowgan Hand Bank scandalate. Got it? Okay, that's a 873 01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:56.880 backwards, real deep, god fucking connection there. Stuff. It's so ever 874 01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.960 ending. Yeah, yeah, yes, that's never ending. So I'm gonna 875 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:02.439 talk about the person that I want to talk about based on that story I 876 01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:08.319 just said, I'm gonna start bringing in the wilder side of these theories and 877 01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:14.520 allegations, things might get less believable as we progress. Remember that former Vietnam 878 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:17.960 chief Ted Shackley, That's who I want to focus on next. He was 879 01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:21.840 mentioned for the first time in this episode in the newgan Hanbank Scandal segment. 880 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:27.840 He joined the military in nineteen forty five as a private and became part of 881 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:33.199 the Allied occupied for in best basic training, learning, counterintelligence, and recruiting 882 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:39.520 Polish agents. He apparently posts about Polish very soon after. Shackley was bred 883 01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.600 to be a spook as one of the first wave of recruits in CIA history 884 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:47.960 in nineteen fifty three. From sixty two to sixty five, Shackley was station 885 01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:51.880 chief in Miami, Florida. Can you think of what was happening in Miami 886 01:17:51.960 --> 01:18:00.479 during this time? Drugs nice a little bit, but no. Shack along 887 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:04.720 with Thomas Kleins, dealt with operations held in Cuba and the Miami CIA station 888 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:11.039 was called JM Wave, which had more than two hundred CIA officers who then 889 01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:16.399 handled roughly two thousand Cuban agents. A big and popular project Shackley and others 890 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:21.840 headed was called Operation Mongoose, which served to help Cuban exiles to overthrow the 891 01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:29.520 communist regime in Cuba, primarily Fidel Castro. Quote. During this period as 892 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:32.960 Miami station chief, Shackley was in charge of about four hundred agents and general 893 01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:39.560 operatives, and his tenure encompassed the Cuban Missile crisis of October nineteen sixty two, 894 01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:45.880 but it kept growing billy. At its height, this jmwave became the 895 01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:49.880 largest CIA station in the world, employing over three thousand agents and operating over 896 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:55.680 fifty dummy corporations. You may or may not know this, but the Cuban 897 01:18:55.760 --> 01:19:01.520 situation was severely complex. There were so many entities for and mainly against Castro 898 01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:08.000 and from the US government agencies within the US government, Coca Cola and other 899 01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:14.680 businessmen exiled and pissed off Cubans, mafia dons, and many more. Cashoer's 900 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:18.319 Revolution in nineteen fifty nine resulted in kicking out the mafia from Cuban casinos, 901 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:26.119 which the CIA used to launder payments to those mobsters. This partnership of the 902 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:31.079 OSS and CIA with the mafia began with something called Operation Underworld. But I'm 903 01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:33.399 not going to get into that right now, and I heavily digress here. 904 01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:38.840 This show isn't about the Cuban ship storm. My point here is that the 905 01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:45.079 CIA and Mob targeted Cuban leaders for assassination, people like Mafia Do Santos Traficante, 906 01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:50.479 working through Frank Sturgis and Richard Wadley a mercenary. Cuban assassination teams included 907 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:57.560 Felix Rodriguez, Raphael Kindetto under the supervision of E. Howard Hunt, whose 908 01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:01.399 boss was station chief Theodore Shackley. Look those names up and have fun with 909 01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:05.079 that. By the way, look them up. Here's something cool, and 910 01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:11.399 by cool, I mean horrifyingly believable. Quote. Also alleged to have been 911 01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:16.680 involved in assassination attempts on castro It's doctor John P. Nichols, the administrator, 912 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:24.720 and the Cabizon Wackenhunt venture, which Danny Cassilero investigated unquote Oh what, 913 01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:28.840 Yeah, he was a spook. We just didn't know what he did. 914 01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:33.399 Shit. Yeah. This Cuban era for Shakley is but a rest stop. 915 01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:38.560 So we're gonna move on here from here. SHACKLEI went to Vietnam, which 916 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:42.960 I mentioned earlier, was a station chief that wasn't involved in operation Phoenix to 917 01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.600 torture and detain viet Cong. In this setting, Shackley worked with people like 918 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:50.560 Colby, a prominent figure in the Newgan Hand Bank scandal, as well as 919 01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:57.319 many others. Operation Phoenix was run by Shakley and clients, with alleged participation 920 01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:01.560 by Earl W. Bryant in seventy four to seventy five. They were responsible 921 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:10.279 for killing approximately sixty thousand civilian Vietnamese financed alleged allegedly by Vang Pro drug money. 922 01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:15.520 During his Vietnamese phase, Shacklee met arms dealer and CIA man Edwin Wilson, 923 01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:19.239 becoming close friends. Remember Wilson's the guy who was arrested for selling C 924 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:24.800 four explosives in the nineties. Sorry, sorry, so doubly fast. I'm 925 01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.960 just remembering as I go, So where am I? They were close friends. 926 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:32.239 Edwin Wilson was deemed to be a member of the octopus by Danny Cassillro 927 01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:38.039 as well. For the sake of time, I'll skip further background involving Vietnam 928 01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:43.119 beyond what I said already and head to the relationship between George Bush and Ted 929 01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:48.760 Shackley, at least a little bit. Quote the career movements of alleged Octopus 930 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:55.520 member Ted Shackley also illuminate Bush's secret life. From nineteen fifty two to nineteen 931 01:21:55.560 --> 01:22:00.159 fifty nine and nineteen sixty five to nineteen sixty six, Zacklie worked in Germany. 932 01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:04.239 In the nineteen sixty two to sixty four period, he was station chief 933 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:11.199 in Miami. Shackley became station chief in Saigon and Vietnam from nineteen sixty four 934 01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:15.880 to seventy four and chief of CIA's Far East Division thereafter, while George Bush 935 01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:21.640 served as ambassador to China. After Bush's ascension to CIA director, Shackley was 936 01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:29.279 promoted to Associate Deputy Director of Operations, considered the agency's third most powerful job. 937 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:34.800 Shakley was put in charge of Central American operations. And we know what 938 01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:40.640 the CIA was up to in Central America. One of those Central American operations 939 01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:45.079 involved Chile. On September eleventh, nineteen seventy three, the Chilean military under 940 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:50.079 General Augusto Pinochet, aided by the United States and the CIA, staged a 941 01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:57.439 coup against Chilean President Salvadora Yende. You know this? No okay? Officially, 942 01:22:57.479 --> 01:23:01.479 Allende committed suicide as insurgents store the Palace, supposedly because he didn't want 943 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:05.760 to suffer the humiliation of his aggressors. Is actually quite a quite a movie 944 01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:11.079 scene. Allende was addressing the nation on the radio as they entered, describing 945 01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:14.600 himself in the past tense, knowing he's gonna die one way or the other. 946 01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:18.119 Oh yeah. Unofficially, it is said that Allenda's death was performed by 947 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:25.680 two Cubans, as other eight assassination attempts occurred simultaneously. Shackley and Klines did 948 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:30.119 the strategy for this operation, That's how they involved. The reason some people 949 01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:33.560 find it hard to believe that Ayenda committed suicide was because the only people there 950 01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:38.800 to winness the events were the people out to fucking kill him, meaning unreliable 951 01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:45.079 sources and uninterested uninterested in damping them, dampening any effect the CIA and other 952 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:49.640 insurgencies wanted from this operation. As added bonus and his own admission, John 953 01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:55.079 P. Nichols was involved in the Allenda assassination plot before moving out west to 954 01:23:55.119 --> 01:24:01.319 California, apparently just before Wow. Casilerov wrote the following about Chile quote. 955 01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:06.319 A different, marginally more officious costume was worn in Chile. Since this operation 956 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:12.800 provided accumulated debt for favors performed. The octopus now mature enough to know how 957 01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:16.239 to collect those debts, What are the favors performed and what was the do 958 01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:23.720 bill unquote. That's not all Ted Shackli has to offer. As the third 959 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:27.600 most powerful person in the CIA, Shackley was also involved in the Iron Conter 960 01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:31.680 affair, but mainly in the relationship and events leading up to it in Libya 961 01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:36.439 and when Wilson worked for Caadaffi training his air force and provided planes and weapons 962 01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:44.479 and techniques related relating to assassinations and the sabotaged and explosives. This crash course 963 01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:48.920 in violent espionage was reported to Ted Shackli in the seventies. Despite being officially 964 01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:55.000 retired from CIA in the eighties. During the Iron Conter affair, Shackley passed 965 01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:59.880 information from manager of Grabanifar to Oliver North and to people of all sorts. 966 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.760 Even if Shackley didn't gain or did a lot at this time. There's much 967 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:08.000 more detail and other events I could cover, but once again I must move 968 01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:12.520 on. People like Ted Shackley are fascinating because of how involved they were to 969 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:17.000 one degree or another in major historical events and they seemingly do it so passively 970 01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:24.439 or indifferently. Take his involvement with Cuba, the Middle East, South America, 971 01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:28.640 and Vietnam with you as important as his relationships with George Bush Senior was. 972 01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:35.720 And how was he tied to senior? Again? He but Senior promoted 973 01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:40.840 him as third placeman when he went Busch oh, the third most powerful person 974 01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:44.439 right in CIA. When he became the director of CIA, he promoted that 975 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:47.319 guy to the third place post. I see, okay, got it. 976 01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:51.640 And then probably William Casey was second player, who was another octopuse guy. 977 01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.920 And then William Casey took over after Bush wanted to be in politics and then 978 01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:59.520 won the election. Well, he became vice president of Ronald Reagan first, 979 01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:04.239 right, and then from there a one presidency yep, which all comment is 980 01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:08.840 in October surprise, because if Brigan didn't win, Bush would never have been 981 01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:15.079 probably president if you go that back that far. Yeah, anyway, now, 982 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:21.319 oh, okay, this next part is designed to fascinate people that are 983 01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:26.840 into conspiracies like us, and will hopefully serve as something juicy to enjoy amid 984 01:26:27.079 --> 01:26:31.039 the confusing history, lessons and never ending connections. I've said before that Michael 985 01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:35.600 Kinnesshuda was one of the prime sources for Danny Cassilero's research. He showed the 986 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:41.560 freelance journalists where to find information and who to look into for connections. You 987 01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:45.560 might have asked yourself already why why was Ricineshudo allowed to live since he knew 988 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.920 and has seen so much? There are two reasons for this. One is 989 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:56.920 that we Canshudo claims to have documents and a tape recording involving prominent octopus figures 990 01:26:57.279 --> 01:27:00.800 implicating themselves in some, if not all, of the shady doings I've mentioned 991 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:05.560 already in this three part series. The second reason is that his willingness to 992 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:12.000 tell anyone who asks him questions about everything about everything he saw, makes We're 993 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.600 gonna shoot a kind of a loon, a loon prone to conspiracy gossip. 994 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:20.039 If he's right about everything, hell even half, then it makes him look 995 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:25.600 crazy and killing someone like that will make him a martyr, not unlike Casilera. 996 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:30.119 By the way, these allegations Rickin a Shooter has made is while begintting 997 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:33.520 into here, well a few of them anyway. For instance, there was 998 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:40.800 a rumor that the Cabstons belonged to something worldwide called reservation operation that was run 999 01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:46.079 by the Enterprise and Wackenhut on Indian land. The project name was Yellow Lodge. 1000 01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:51.359 Have you heard of the Yellow Lodge. It's not super famous. It 1001 01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:55.760 is low key, but maybe it's famous enough. I I'm gonna say no, 1002 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.760 okay, I never heard of it before. It's either in Yellow Lodge. 1003 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:05.079 It is said that they produced advanced warfare like pathogenic viruses and biological weapons. 1004 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:11.840 Operations ran on Hikadia, Apoculans, Apache Land, Sorry, and other 1005 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:18.079 reservations, including an interesting center called D six located in Dulse, New Mexico. 1006 01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:23.239 You know D six. Nobody know those in New Mexico, that's for 1007 01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:28.680 sure. Yeah fucking will Yeah. Castilera learned through UFO enthusiasts that this D 1008 01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:33.640 six location was the site of a huge underground joint human slash alien base. 1009 01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:42.399 Uh other more and more and more. This is what you're waiting for. 1010 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:45.479 I know you have, I know. Let's see where. Other notes of 1011 01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:54.159 Danny Castilero mentions MJ twelve, Area fifty one and Pine Gap. What your 1012 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:58.640 face? I mean, I'm not gonna super get into MG twelve and Area 1013 01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:03.960 fifty one because we've done this just. Pine Gap supposed to be a top 1014 01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:10.359 secret underground base located in Alice Springs, Australia, and has the official name 1015 01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:15.319 of Joint Defense Space Research Facility. While rumors of alien activity have existed, 1016 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:21.399 what it's mainly known for is that it served to monitor spy satellites and interception 1017 01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:28.880 and the coding of various forms of broadcast communications between foreign powers that were unfriendly 1018 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:32.520 to the US. Quote. Pine Gap was built in nineteen sixty eight, 1019 01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:39.239 ostensibly as a means of sharing space program data with the Australians. Opposition to 1020 01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:43.720 the base grew as it became clearer that it had more of a prosaic purpose 1021 01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:50.800 espionage. A book on this subject and secret Based demonstrated CIA manipulation, which 1022 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:57.039 led to the early end of Australia's Administrator of the Labor Party, Gau Whitman. 1023 01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:01.239 This was because he opposed Pine Gap operations. By the way, quote, 1024 01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:06.760 one early page of Danny's notes seemingly ties together Area fifty one Pine Gap, 1025 01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:13.960 a small Pennsylvania town called Tonoma, and possibly one of its citizens, 1026 01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:18.960 someone named Fred Dick, perhaps tracing one of many convoluted dead ends that Danny 1027 01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:25.239 traced. The authors of this book dispatched an investigator to Tnoma, Pa in 1028 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:29.920 the notes, but failed to find Dick I know so bad, even after 1029 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:35.159 placing a classified in the classified in the local newspaper, or any indication of 1030 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:40.760 what they may have linked them to to the other, to the mysterious military 1031 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:45.439 basis. Buried in notes written much later, however, were references to Tonapa, 1032 01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.920 Nevada, near area fifty one. Fred Dick, however, remains a 1033 01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:56.359 mystery. Unquote, we were there by Tonapau yep, yep. Anyway, 1034 01:30:56.600 --> 01:31:02.880 what do you think that? So? Okay, I was so taken back 1035 01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:09.479 where you went right there? So I guess I missed the connection. Oh 1036 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:17.279 way, so cassilero, what was the implication there? So also through we're 1037 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.159 canna shoot? Oh he said that there's a there was a theory, not 1038 01:31:20.319 --> 01:31:23.600 that he said. He didn't say this is a theory. He said that 1039 01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:27.319 this app but we don't know for sure. That Cabistan Band of mission Inions 1040 01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:32.279 belonged to something called reservation operation where they use other reservation lands to build weapons, 1041 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:36.479 mainly biological war first stuff. And then one of those was called D 1042 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:41.560 six, and that connects Aliens to the D six was supposedly the dudes say, 1043 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:46.800 what's it called? Yeah, and that's where UFO enthusiasts say that there's 1044 01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:51.279 a base there that's human slash alien heavy. And then from there I went 1045 01:31:51.399 --> 01:31:56.199 with Pine Gap because it was one of the three places that Cassilla had wrote 1046 01:31:56.239 --> 01:32:00.399 and in his notes to research later Pine Gap and I mentioned what they were 1047 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:04.760 an Australian base for espionage. They've put up the leader there. And then 1048 01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:09.279 from there I put in the one last thing about Danny's notes, saying the 1049 01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:13.439 area fifty one Pine Gap and the small town Tonoma and Fred Dick. At 1050 01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:16.239 the end, it's like a little whatever based on what the we should have 1051 01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:20.760 told them? Got it? Got it? That's how it connects. Love 1052 01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:27.720 it. Yes, here's another one. Here's another rumor slash allegation about Viknaeshudo 1053 01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:31.359 or from Konahudo. It is said that in addition to what we already know 1054 01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:36.880 of him, he also worked for Lear Aircraft and Reno Nevada. The speculation 1055 01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:41.960 that evolved from here is that it immediately ties we can shootout with John Lear, 1056 01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.800 senior, creator of the Lear Jet, and is someone that UFO conspiracy 1057 01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:50.479 theorists claimed to have worked or done research on anti gravity for the government. 1058 01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:56.920 The connection here is that Lear Junior, not Senior Junior, who also worked 1059 01:32:56.960 --> 01:33:01.079 with his father, had many stories of flying saucers and aliens, even befriending 1060 01:33:01.239 --> 01:33:08.199 the infamous Babazar Ooh. Both men would appear in gatherings to tell their stories 1061 01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:13.560 to believers. Two other connections are William Cooper and Gordon Novel. Cooper wrote 1062 01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:16.800 a book that discusses the JFK assassination, Hairy fifty one and The Elders of 1063 01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:23.920 Zion. Novel was supposedly a minor player in both the Kennedy assassination and the 1064 01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:28.840 Watergate scandal by his own admission, though people do not believe it. Some 1065 01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:32.359 have even suggested that this wild claim about Gordon Novel is a way to distract 1066 01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:39.079 from serious and real issues about black project weapons development and governmental gun running. 1067 01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:44.119 Prince Vie allegation right there, Yeah, I love it. Yep, that's 1068 01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:47.880 probably the shortest one I got here. Let's see here next one. This 1069 01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:54.119 next bit is the sweetest in my arsenal, especially for the supernatural current studies. 1070 01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:58.399 It involves a little bit of aliens and a lot more into the assassination 1071 01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:01.479 of John F. Kennedy. We all know that Kennedy, before his death 1072 01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:05.880 wanted to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces, mainly for the Bay of 1073 01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:12.239 Pigs fiasco, but he didn't get the chance obviously. Well. While being 1074 01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:16.760 able to fire a CIA old sacred cows like Alan Dulles, the CIA continued 1075 01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:21.239 in the shadows of his creators, people like Richard Helms, who became CIA 1076 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:26.800 Directors of the CIA sorry, who became director of the CIA in nineteen sixty 1077 01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:30.840 six, and E. Howard Hunt. Hunt is the important connection here because 1078 01:34:31.119 --> 01:34:35.640 Cassilero had spoken with him on the phone and believed was not only a CIA 1079 01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:39.640 spook, but an octo spook as well. That's what you call them, 1080 01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:43.119 octo spooks. I love that term. Octos spook. Yeah, it's great. 1081 01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:47.399 Hunt had helped set up the Bayo Pigs, was one of the plumbers 1082 01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:54.880 on the Watergate scandal and supposedly was involved in mk ultra. Allegations that Hunt 1083 01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:59.800 and a man named Frank Sturgis, another Watergate burglar, were in Dallas on 1084 01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:03.359 the day of the assassination. People say that they were the two of the 1085 01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:09.520 three hoboes on the railroad tracks behind the motherfucking Grassy Knoll, who were arrested 1086 01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:15.000 by Dallas police whoa quote. Mark Lane, one of the earliest critics of 1087 01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:20.640 the Warren Commission, documented Hunt's inability to defend himself in court against accusations of 1088 01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:27.279 his presence in Dallas in his book Plausible Denial. One of Lane's key witnesses 1089 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:31.439 in that trial, Marita Lorenz, named e Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, 1090 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:38.199 Orlando Bosch, Lee, Harvey Oswald, the Noble Brothers, Jerry Patrick Hemming, 1091 01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:43.520 and Pedro Diaz Lance as part of a convoy that traveled from Miami to 1092 01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:48.279 Dallas for the JFK hit. Quote. There's also a follow up connection between 1093 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:54.319 George Bush and the close associate to Oswald's, George de Mornshield, but that 1094 01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:59.520 it's a can of worms I'm not ready to open today. I am purposely 1095 01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:03.079 staying away from Bush, to be honest. Now, this next dose of 1096 01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:08.520 information is crazy. I'll be quoting the whole chunk here because I cannot reveal 1097 01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:15.079 it any better than they did, Okay. Quote Rigano Shudo had his own 1098 01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:20.119 intergenerational connection to the UFO lore and his own link to the Kennedy assassination. 1099 01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:27.680 His father, Marshall had been a business associate of Fred Christman, a man 1100 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:31.920 involved in the Maury Island incident, one of the earliest UFO incidents to follow 1101 01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:40.319 pilot Kenneth Arnold's famed flying discs over Mount Rainier in nineteen forty seven. Arnold 1102 01:36:40.439 --> 01:36:45.800 in fact investigated claims by Chrisman and Harold Dahl that Dahl, his son, 1103 01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:50.039 his dog, and two others witnessed six saucers as the crew boted in the 1104 01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:55.920 Puget Sound along the shore of Maury Island. Dahl's child was burned and his 1105 01:36:56.079 --> 01:37:00.920 dog killed when one of the saucers spewed metallic debris on the boat. Chrisman 1106 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:06.239 and Dahl mailed metal fragments of the debris to Amazon's from Amazon Amazing Stories editor 1107 01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:12.880 Ray Palmer, who hired Kenneth Arnold himself to investigate. Confused by what he 1108 01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:17.119 was hearing from Chrisman and Dahl, Arnold called in two Air Force intelligence officers. 1109 01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:21.720 They concluded some interviews, collected some of the debris, and were headed 1110 01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:27.720 back home back to home base on A B fifty twenty five when an explosion 1111 01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:31.359 on their early morning flight killed them both. The Mourray Island incident was written 1112 01:37:31.399 --> 01:37:35.760 off for years as a hoax, but recent research has brought up the possibility 1113 01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:41.880 that Chrisman used his possession of the saucer debris as a means to a career 1114 01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:47.760 among the spooks. Flying saucer crash retrieval rumors mounted in nineteen forty seven near 1115 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:54.800 the Reconnahudo stopping ground in Tacoma, Washington. The Tacoma News Tribune reported upon 1116 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:59.720 a retrieval by William Guy Banister, the FBI special Agent in charge of the 1117 01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:02.840 air area of the time. Banister became famous much later in life when he 1118 01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:09.359 shared office space with the Fair Plague for Cuba Community Committee in New Orleans, 1119 01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:15.479 possibly employing Lee Harvey Oswald as an agent provocateur. Chrismin too had been connected 1120 01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:21.359 to Oswald via a subpoena from the investigation of JFK's death by New Orleans District 1121 01:38:21.399 --> 01:38:28.199 Attorney Jim Garrison. Some alleged that Chrismin was one of the three Hoboes photographed 1122 01:38:28.399 --> 01:38:32.159 after their arrest in the railroad yard behind the infamous Grassy Knoll on November twenty 1123 01:38:32.239 --> 01:38:38.800 second, nineteen sixty three. Chrismin was notably silent about both Maury Island and 1124 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:44.000 JFK. In his nineteen seventy memoir of life in Tacoma entitled Murder of a 1125 01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:48.000 City, written under the pseudonym of John Gold, he did have warm comments 1126 01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:54.920 about Michael Marshall mcunastudo, however, and recounted that the young Michael had discovered 1127 01:38:55.039 --> 01:39:02.520 several electronic bugs at his father's office. A lot going on there, A 1128 01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:06.880 lot going on there. So we talked about the Morey Island incident. Yeah. 1129 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:12.600 I don't remember if it was in our extraterrestrial extravagant episodes or what, 1130 01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:19.039 but yep, I remember that quite well. The explosion of the airplane and 1131 01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:24.960 and these ties to the JFK assassination. I mean that that's just amazing. 1132 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:29.560 And Rick, do you remember a guy Banister? The name sounds so familiar. 1133 01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.279 He's definitely involved in Operation Mongoose and Shed. Yeah. I see, 1134 01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:36.399 yeah. And that now you got Rick and Ashudo's father. So you said 1135 01:39:36.439 --> 01:39:42.840 that the multi generational thing. Yes, Rick Shudle's fathers tied into the UFO 1136 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:46.600 side, the Kennedy assassination side. Yep, his son found the bugs in 1137 01:39:46.680 --> 01:39:53.039 his office. I mean, Jesus Christ, is this ever end? No? 1138 01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:57.479 What you have to understand is that both we going to shootout and chrismin 1139 01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:00.880 and were from Tacoma, Washington. Tacoma is a little over an hour away 1140 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:06.640 from Mount Rainier and Maury Island or the Pugey Sound Christmins Twilight Years where we 1141 01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:12.079 can to shoot those upbringing. Let me expand a little more on Christmas connection 1142 01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.239 to Kennedy. It was on October thirty first, nineteen sixty eight, when 1143 01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:20.039 a grand jury in New Orleans issued a subpoena for Fred Lee Christmin in connection 1144 01:40:20.159 --> 01:40:25.760 to the assassination of JFK. This is the press release, writing by District 1145 01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:30.760 Attorney Jim Garrison. Quote. Mister Christmin has been engaged in undercover activity for 1146 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:35.680 a part of the industrial warfare complex for years. His covert, his cover, 1147 01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:39.960 sorry, his cover is that of a preacher and a person engaged in 1148 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:45.279 work to help gypsies. Our information indicates that since the early nineteen sixties he 1149 01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:49.680 has made many trips to New Orleans and Dallas areas in connection with his undercover 1150 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:55.399 work for that part of the warfare industry. Engage in manufacture of what is 1151 01:40:55.520 --> 01:41:00.319 termed in military language a hardware, meaning those weapons to the US government which 1152 01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:05.840 are uniquely large and expensive. Mister Christmin is a former employee of the Boeing 1153 01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:11.359 Aircraft Company. This in the sense that one defendant in the case is a 1154 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:17.520 former employee of Lockheed Aircraft Company and Los Angeles and Intelligence Terminology. This ordinarily 1155 01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:23.680 means that connections still exists, but that the former employee has moved into underground 1156 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:28.239 operation. More often than not, a bad record or evidence indicating that he 1157 01:41:28.359 --> 01:41:33.279 has been fired is prepared for the parent company to increase the disassociation between the 1158 01:41:33.359 --> 01:41:40.760 two unquote com complicated there, but yeah. Chrismin was deposed in the case 1159 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:45.560 against Clay Shaw, the XCIA businessman. Conspiracy theories believe that Chrismin was one 1160 01:41:45.560 --> 01:41:49.920 of the three tramps of homeless people that were arrested by Dallas police, the 1161 01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:56.159 other two already covered being E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis quote again. 1162 01:41:56.880 --> 01:42:02.640 In nineteen seventy nine, the House select made the assassinations reported that forensic anthropologists 1163 01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:08.239 and analyzed and compared the photographs of the three tramps with those of Chrismin, 1164 01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:12.880 as well as with photographs of Watergate figures E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis 1165 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:17.199 and two other men. According to the committee, only Chrismin resembled any of 1166 01:42:17.279 --> 01:42:21.520 the tramps, but the same committee determined that he was not in dally Plaza 1167 01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:27.680 on that day of the assassination. So unquote, Chrismin died of kidney failure 1168 01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:33.640 on December tenth, nineteen seventy five. Do you think, I don't know 1169 01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:39.439 what to think was Were they the hoboes or I think so? Yeah? 1170 01:42:40.039 --> 01:42:47.079 Huh yeah. Okay, Now let's get into a few of the mysterious deaths 1171 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:53.680 that surround the octopus. Okay, it's a lot of that actually. First 1172 01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:57.520 off, is Alan Standorff. I mentioned Standoff in the last episode in the 1173 01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:01.119 Rigni Shudo segment, and I said, now I'm quoting myself again. A 1174 01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:08.199 contact of his by the name of Alan Standorf said he worked at a secret 1175 01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:15.000 military electronics listening post in Virginia and managed to supply Cassilera with classified information regarding 1176 01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:18.960 the Enslock case. Many stipulate that those papers were among but went missing from 1177 01:43:19.039 --> 01:43:23.399 his hotel room when he died. O course, yeah, when Cassi was 1178 01:43:23.479 --> 01:43:27.840 murdered or suicide, so yeah or whatever, his papers were missing us. 1179 01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:33.359 Right. Standorff definitely had intelligence training through the military in Germany before the classified 1180 01:43:33.399 --> 01:43:40.399 position of Vint Hill form in military security installation near Manassa's, Virginia. Apparently 1181 01:43:40.439 --> 01:43:44.399 he had quite the job shortly before his death and probably around the time he 1182 01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:50.760 got into contact with Stany Casilero. Quote. Standorff supplied Castlera with classified information 1183 01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:56.800 and in order to quickly return the materials to avoid detection, Castilero set up 1184 01:43:56.840 --> 01:44:01.800 high speed commercial duplicating and collating equipment in room nine hundred at the nearby Hilton 1185 01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:09.079 Hotel. On January thirty first, nineteen eighty one, seven months before Castle 1186 01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:13.359 was to be found dead, Alan Standorf's body was found on the back floor 1187 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:17.359 of his car at the Washington National Airport. He had been murdered by a 1188 01:44:17.439 --> 01:44:21.520 blow to the back of the head. Possibly he was meeting someone at the 1189 01:44:21.560 --> 01:44:28.439 airport clandestinely, but we don't know. Doctor Stephen she she he sorry, 1190 01:44:28.520 --> 01:44:31.760 shee hi, I don't know of The medical Examiner's report office sorry. Medical 1191 01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:38.199 Examiner's office in Northern Virginia said that Standorf's body had no visible wounds and was 1192 01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:42.760 found under clothing and luggage in the back of his car. Journalists from twenty 1193 01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:47.920 eighteen to from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty one have sent Freedom of Information Act 1194 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:55.720 request onto Martinsburg Police Department about Alan Sturndorff, but received no answer up to 1195 01:44:55.800 --> 01:45:00.439 this date. A little background of this for this next ast. According to 1196 01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:05.159 Ariban Menashi, the US developed this backdoor to the promised software with the help 1197 01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:11.880 of Capisan slash wagonaut US and Israel began looking for a neutral company that they 1198 01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:16.079 could use to sell the software to other intelligence services. The company they chose 1199 01:45:16.239 --> 01:45:21.079 was called day Game Systems, a computer firm with offices in Guatemala, South 1200 01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:28.640 Africa, and Israel publishing mogul Robert Maxwell had taken over Dagam for the purpose 1201 01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:33.479 of selling Promise sold to a military regime in Guatemala, for example, quote 1202 01:45:33.920 --> 01:45:39.000 even if they travel under a false name. Various characteristics such as height, 1203 01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:44.279 hair color, age were fed into roadside terminals, and Promise searched through its 1204 01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:47.960 database looking for a common denominator. It would be able to tell an army 1205 01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:53.319 commander that a certain dissident who was in the north three days before had caught 1206 01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:57.239 a train, then a bus, stayed at a friend's house and was now 1207 01:45:57.359 --> 01:46:00.960 on the road under a different name. That's how fighting the system was quote. 1208 01:46:03.039 --> 01:46:08.600 Officially, Maxwell's death was ruled as suicide or accidental since he was found 1209 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:12.960 floating in the ocean near his yacht. This was off the Canary Islands. 1210 01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:16.239 On November fifth, nineteen ninety one, Spanish authorities concluded that he died of 1211 01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:20.239 a heart attack, despite the fact that Maxwell had no history of heart disease. 1212 01:46:21.079 --> 01:46:26.159 Later on, forensic specialists who worked on the body found that a perforation 1213 01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:30.399 under Maxwell's left ear could have caused by an injection of a lethal substance, 1214 01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:38.159 but who knows who knows? There were several speculations as to why anyone wanted 1215 01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:42.319 him dead, such as money troubles, business enemies, and inheritance issues. 1216 01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:46.520 In reaction in reaction to the octopus, it is said that his usefulness of 1217 01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:53.439 selling promise was done and he officially became a loose end. This next series 1218 01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:58.359 of hits broke in the San Francisco Chronicle on December thirtieth, nineteen ninety one, 1219 01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:03.840 titled Business Murderers Puzzle Cops. This is a connection to the murder of 1220 01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:09.159 Fred Alberts in nineteen eighty one. Yes all the way back, Yeah, 1221 01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:13.840 the ogks that began this case. The series sorry six months after Albarez was 1222 01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:17.359 killed and let's not forget Bolger and Castro, police found the body of Paul 1223 01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:23.399 Morasca. He was hogtied by a telephone court noose around his neck and had 1224 01:47:23.439 --> 01:47:29.079 strangled slowly as his legs uncurled. Marascue's body was found in his condo in 1225 01:47:29.159 --> 01:47:32.800 San Francisco's Telegraph Hill. Three days after that, a sixty three year old 1226 01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:39.359 woman named Mary Quick, head of the Women's Auxiliary of American Legion Post five 1227 01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:42.800 h nine in Fresno, was killed by a shot to the head as she 1228 01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:46.239 approached the Legion hall. Investigators at the time believed that these three murders were 1229 01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:53.199 connected. Here's their connections. Marasca was an associate of Michael Wikineshudo and worked 1230 01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:58.399 with other confidants in the Cabizon Arms project. He reported that he had the 1231 01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:03.119 access coats for offshore counts containing millions of dollars in drug money for covert operations. 1232 01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:08.079 Mary Quick's death was seen as a mugging, but a year after her 1233 01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:12.720 murder, police learned that we can Shooto claimed the business connection with Quick's nephew, 1234 01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:17.239 Brian Weiss. Quote. Police sources told the San Francisco Examiner that Weiss 1235 01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:23.079 gave his aunt a bank card with secret account numbers, perhaps the same access 1236 01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:28.239 codes that may have led to pal Morasca's murder. According to the police, 1237 01:48:28.439 --> 01:48:32.600 she had no connection to any of the Principles and could be trusted. Mary 1238 01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:38.520 Quick was to be instructed to give information only to Paul Morasca or Michael Vignashudo. 1239 01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:43.000 She was not aware of what the computer card was for and had never 1240 01:48:43.119 --> 01:48:46.199 received the car and had never received the card unquote. Within the quote, 1241 01:48:46.479 --> 01:48:54.439 Riknaeshudo claimed that Mary Quick's murder was probably trying to recover the card unquote unquote. 1242 01:48:55.039 --> 01:49:00.239 Those are two that to us, right, well, reconstrucy right, 1243 01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:06.680 Yeah, these associations to Reconshchudo turning up dead give credibility to his wild allegations 1244 01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:10.800 a little bit. It does a little more than a little bit of Actually 1245 01:49:11.399 --> 01:49:15.720 there are more deaths connected to him. An attorney named Dennis Weiss not Wi. 1246 01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:20.079 Heisman was in contact with Danny Casilero and was planning and heading to Tacoma, 1247 01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:26.119 Washington to defend Ricaneshudo when in April nineteen ninety one was shot and killed 1248 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:30.960 in his car in Philadelphia. Heisman had plans on visiting a woman about threats 1249 01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:34.840 to his client. Quote. Over time, Michael Knashudo lost three lawyers and 1250 01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:41.800 an investigator under what could be construed as mysterious circumstances. In February nineteen eighty 1251 01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:46.159 seven, Larry Garin, a private investigator conducting inslat connected work for Greek in 1252 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:50.840 Nashudo, was killed in Mason County, Washington. After Iisman's death. In 1253 01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:56.399 April nineteen ninety three, another attorney who worked at Riconnashudo, John Crawford, 1254 01:49:56.680 --> 01:50:00.880 died suddenly from a heart attack in Tacoma. The deco Poe's body of a 1255 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:05.720 third we can shoot a lawyer, Paul Wilcher, was found in Wilcher's Washington, 1256 01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:12.840 DC apartment on June twenty third, nineteen ninety three. Wiltshire had also 1257 01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:19.000 had been gunther Russbacher, who claimed to have videotape proof of and sixteen witnesses 1258 01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:24.520 to his having flown George W. H. Bush to one of the October 1259 01:50:24.600 --> 01:50:30.039 surprise meetings. Quote. Paul Wilcher, I've mentioned on the show before, 1260 01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:34.640 is a very interesting figure in the series of conspiracies as well as others, 1261 01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:40.000 but I can't get into him today. Wherever there's no four four, don't 1262 01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:45.239 get excited, four excited. I'm just not getting into him. Other mysterious 1263 01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:48.600 does include Alan Michael May, who died in his home in San Francisco on 1264 01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:53.880 June nineteen ninety one. He was a former Nixon campaign aide who we Can 1265 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:59.479 Shooto mentioned four days earlier in an interview about May's involvement in the October Surprise. 1266 01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:02.840 The coroner at first reported May's death to be from a heart attack, 1267 01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:10.000 but an autopsy revealed the presence of polypharmaceuticals in his body. Then there's Anson 1268 01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:14.039 Ng, who was a reporter for the Financial Times in London. He was 1269 01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:17.199 doing a story on the wacken Hut security guard Jimmy Hughes on the first episode 1270 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:23.920 and followed him to South America trying to get an interview quote while in Watemala 1271 01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:28.079 during July nineteen ninety one, and was murdered by a single bullet to the 1272 01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:32.199 chest. His death was ruled as suicide. The Watermelon government was asked to 1273 01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:39.640 retrieve in Ng's floppy disks and personal papers regarding his investigation. It did so 1274 01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:44.479 and turned them over to the US Intelligence Agency. In a press conference a 1275 01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:48.039 few weeks later, Senator Alan Cranston requested that designers be returned, but they 1276 01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:54.319 never were. Unquote. Then there's Jonathan Moyle. On March thirty first, 1277 01:51:54.439 --> 01:51:59.520 nineteen ninety, Moyle's body was found hanging from a closet rail in his hotel 1278 01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:02.920 room in Santiago, Chile. Morel was a British journalist who was researching some 1279 01:52:03.039 --> 01:52:06.640 of the same people Danny Cassilero was doing, but from a different angle. 1280 01:52:08.439 --> 01:52:12.079 Both deaths were ruled as suicides, and both of their families did not believe 1281 01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:16.279 that to be the case. The specific connection both Moral and Cassilero had had 1282 01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:21.199 that involved Chile was an arms broker that lived there. Cassilera was looking into 1283 01:52:21.279 --> 01:52:26.800 selling of the promised software to an Iraqi intelligence officer, and Moyle, who 1284 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:30.359 was the editor of Defense Helicopter World, was looking into weapon sales to Iraq 1285 01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:35.119 by that same broker. On the surface, it was concluded by several people 1286 01:52:35.239 --> 01:52:40.680 and articles that both men didn't have enough evidence worth killing for, to which 1287 01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:45.640 I say, they obviously did. Yeah. Here's a few quotes. Ah, 1288 01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:49.439 sorry, a few others quote. Later, others would begin to develop 1289 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:55.039 lists of significant debts related to the Instack case in much the same way many 1290 01:52:55.119 --> 01:53:00.279 began making connections between the deaths of witnesses and others associated to the JA assassination 1291 01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:05.760 twenty five years earlier. In addition to the Reconna shooter, lawyers deleasing the 1292 01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:11.760 list included Valley de la Hanti, whose knowledge of a DA plan to set 1293 01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:15.399 up Reconna shooter in a drug church would have made her an important witness for 1294 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:18.640 him. She disappeared on August eighteenth, nineteen ninety two, but her body 1295 01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:24.560 was not discovered until the following April in a ravine in a ravine near Lake 1296 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:30.720 Bay, Washington. Another Reaconda shooter, ally Pete Sanmingen, who was working 1297 01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:34.279 to help reconn shoot defend himself from the drug charges, died the following December. 1298 01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:40.760 An AMIL clip from the gun he carried mysteriously missing. Barry Kuznik, 1299 01:53:40.840 --> 01:53:45.199 a computer engineer who had worked on Promise enhancements, also made the list. 1300 01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:50.920 According to one report, Kuznick's enhancement was called Brainstorm, an artificially intelligent program 1301 01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:58.680 that applied the prognosticating ability of Promise to individual thought patterns. I don't know 1302 01:53:59.479 --> 01:54:03.840 it extends civily allowed Promise to deduce from personality characteristics the potential action of the 1303 01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:11.359 person being traced wow As in the Install case, Kushnik apparently has made the 1304 01:54:11.439 --> 01:54:15.520 modifications under a government contract that the government failed to pay, attempting to drive 1305 01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:21.439 Kusnik into bankruptcy. So unfamiliar, Yes, Kusnik had previously done communications and 1306 01:54:21.600 --> 01:54:28.520 intelligence work for Northrop Corporation in the US military. His body had not been 1307 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:31.840 found, and nine months after he was reported missing, family members were unable 1308 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:38.279 to get known business partners to acknowledge even knowing him. Five boxes of his 1309 01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:43.880 belongings were found in the lack of facility not found body no. One. 1310 01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:47.439 Most interesting of all the mysterious deb's connected to Install, however, was that 1311 01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:54.279 of nineteen sixties political activist Abby Hoffman. Hoffman wrote an early piece on the 1312 01:54:54.319 --> 01:54:59.920 October Surprise for Playboy magazine, and shortly thereafter was involved in a suspicious automobile 1313 01:55:00.159 --> 01:55:03.439 accident. Most regarded his death on April twelfth, nineteen eighty nine, as 1314 01:55:03.520 --> 01:55:09.680 the suicide it was reported as cause, perhaps in due to depression he suffered 1315 01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:14.680 from the continued pain resulting from that accident. Others, however, suspected foul 1316 01:55:14.760 --> 01:55:20.119 play in Hoffman's death, notably David Dellinger. Dellinger sorry a fellow member of 1317 01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:28.760 the Chicago Eight. Dellinger's suspicions even led him to attempt to retrieve the coroner's 1318 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:32.399 report for examination, but he was stopped by a threatened court battle. They 1319 01:55:32.760 --> 01:55:36.079 quote within the quote, they basically would not allow that to go to court. 1320 01:55:36.279 --> 01:55:41.680 Dellinger concluded, But Abby's son Andrew and Abby's first wife, Sheila are 1321 01:55:41.760 --> 01:55:45.119 convinced he was killed. Unquote. There's more a lot more, but I'll 1322 01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:48.560 stop there. You know, Abbi Hoffman, right, do you know the 1323 01:55:48.600 --> 01:55:57.640 whole thing, Chicago seven, the Chicago seven? You see that movie? 1324 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.319 I have not. That's where he was famous. Well, the big famous 1325 01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:04.520 thing. I know the case. I don't know the intricacies of the case. 1326 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:09.600 How about that? How good? All right? Now? That's that 1327 01:56:09.760 --> 01:56:15.840 ends that segment. Essentially a lot of that. It really is a lot 1328 01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:21.720 more. His last segments, called the Octopus never ends in conclusion to this 1329 01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:26.920 massive series. How the fuck do I end it? There are so many 1330 01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:30.560 loose ends that I haven't tied. Some of them I can't because the evidence 1331 01:56:30.640 --> 01:56:34.079 or chatter isn't there. But mostly I didn't have time for them. Part 1332 01:56:34.119 --> 01:56:40.399 of my original bullet points to research and write about were the Lebanese drug connections 1333 01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:44.600 to the octopus, Lester K. Coleman's Affter David, which I mentioned, 1334 01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:48.800 William Bradford Reynolds, and Robert Booth Nichols. Nichols I've talked about here and 1335 01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:54.199 there, but his role is much bigger. He not, unlike we can 1336 01:56:54.279 --> 01:56:58.800 the shoot out, was a small member of the octopus and had spoken with 1337 01:56:58.920 --> 01:57:03.079 Cassileerro several times as a source of information. Funny enough, I don't think 1338 01:57:03.359 --> 01:57:06.159 Nichols and who can Is should have liked each other, because I found that 1339 01:57:06.239 --> 01:57:11.359 each warned the dad in Cassilera about the other, saying he's dangerous and not 1340 01:57:11.520 --> 01:57:15.000 to trust his information too much. I cut Robert Booth Nichols out because of 1341 01:57:15.079 --> 01:57:19.560 time and length, but that brings up something I should address regarding the octopus. 1342 01:57:21.159 --> 01:57:25.680 I will be dipping my sanity back into this well in the future. 1343 01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:30.760 Robert Booth Nichols is a perfect subject to tackle later on. Another very interesting 1344 01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:36.119 figure is is Paul Wilcher, who talked about a shadow government pulling strings and 1345 01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:42.439 other things before he was killed. He's definitely a revisit for me. Remember 1346 01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:47.000 the reason the murders of Fred Avareez and Dany Casilero were the first focus was 1347 01:57:47.039 --> 01:57:53.199 because of how much spotlight they had. Truthfully, there's dozens of Alvarezes and 1348 01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:58.520 Castilero's, but it is their debts that brought many of the investigations, theories 1349 01:57:58.640 --> 01:58:02.560 and reporting. Cassilera wasn't the first to suggest that there's this group of nefarious 1350 01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:08.359 people working within the halls of our government and in other countries for their own 1351 01:58:08.439 --> 01:58:12.680 means and power gathering, only that it is when people started paying attention. 1352 01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:20.199 Then there's an x FBI man named Ted Gunderson who became a conspiracy theorist private 1353 01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:26.760 detective and was a source for Cherry Seymour. He has a different angle on 1354 01:58:26.880 --> 01:58:30.920 this octopus thing, but it might be juicy enough for a standalone episode in 1355 01:58:30.960 --> 01:58:33.960 the future. With that, there were a few loose ends I'd rather tie 1356 01:58:34.079 --> 01:58:41.159 up before ending the show. First. There's a book called Dark Victory Ronald 1357 01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:46.600 Reagan MCA and the Mob by Dan E. Moldea or Moldia. It came 1358 01:58:46.640 --> 01:58:50.840 out in nineteen eighty six and it is the first time in publication that the 1359 01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:56.800 octopus was mentioned, and is a good chance that Casilera borrowed the idea for 1360 01:58:56.960 --> 01:59:02.159 Modea next is summer. We can issue wild allegations that connects two segments in 1361 01:59:02.279 --> 01:59:09.880 this series as well as name drops another influential historical figure. Oh yeah, 1362 01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:16.520 this is crazy quote. Riconoshudo made the dramatic allegation that William Casey, outside 1363 01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:21.640 Council to Wakeenhut, prior to his work in the Reagan administration, had hired 1364 01:59:21.720 --> 01:59:28.359 him and Brian in nineteen eighty to facilitate the now infamous October Surprise, in 1365 01:59:28.439 --> 01:59:33.840 which the Reagan administration allegedly paid the Iranians not to release American hostages until after 1366 01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:41.159 his election. Riconoschudo claimed that he and Brian paid the Iranians forty million dollars 1367 01:59:41.279 --> 01:59:46.600 in bribes. The promised software, so Riconosudo said, was Brian's payment for 1368 01:59:46.720 --> 01:59:54.560 his participation. Riconoshudo also claimed that he had been instrumental in exposing the Newgan 1369 01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:59.880 Hand Banks scandal, that he had met the Jackal, the famed international chur 1370 02:00:00.079 --> 02:00:04.079 arrist, and that he had made a tape recording of a clandestine meeting with 1371 02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:10.600 William Casey that he was holding as an insurance policy on his life. Unquote. 1372 02:00:11.680 --> 02:00:16.319 Whoa right I have and that would be a fun one to cover, 1373 02:00:17.000 --> 02:00:19.840 right, That would be a fun one. Right, So there's that he 1374 02:00:19.920 --> 02:00:21.680 says that, and I don't know if it's true. So I got on 1375 02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:27.960 that it makes some sense that we can shoot those allies were dropping like flies. 1376 02:00:28.239 --> 02:00:31.359 While he stayed alive in the Tacoma jail. Cell I couldn't find much 1377 02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:35.000 on the jackal connection, which is why I didn't mention it until the end, 1378 02:00:35.359 --> 02:00:41.000 as a fun way of illustrating that everything is connected, which reminds me. 1379 02:00:41.600 --> 02:00:46.199 Quote in nineteen ninety nine book by the British journalist Gordon Thomas titled Gideon 1380 02:00:46.279 --> 02:00:51.920 Spies, The Secret History of the Massad repeated the claims of Ari Benmanashi that 1381 02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:58.880 Israelian intelligence created and marketed a trojan horse version of Promise in order to spy 1382 02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:03.760 an intelligence ages in other countries. In two thousand and one, the Washington 1383 02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:11.640 Times and Fox News each quoted federal law enforcement officials familiar with the briefing former 1384 02:01:11.960 --> 02:01:17.560 FBI agent Robert Hanson as claiming that the convicted spy had stolen copies of a 1385 02:01:17.640 --> 02:01:26.159 promised derivative for his Soviet KGB handlers. Later reports and studies of Hanson's activities 1386 02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:32.199 have not repeated these claims Hanson is a personal touch for me. In high 1387 02:01:32.199 --> 02:01:38.479 school, I read a book called The Spy next Door The Extraordinary Life, 1388 02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:44.239 Secret Life of Robert Philip Hanson, the most damaging FBI agent in US history, 1389 02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:48.880 which is fascinating and makes sense in hindsight that he'd get hold of promise 1390 02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:53.880 software to give to his KGB handlers. Have you heard of this guy? 1391 02:01:57.199 --> 02:02:00.840 I don't think so. Yeah, it made news. And when the book 1392 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:03.560 came out for sure in early two thousands, and I read in high school 1393 02:02:03.600 --> 02:02:08.520 at a perfect time, and they made a movie called Breach furcing Breach. 1394 02:02:08.920 --> 02:02:12.920 I haven't, but I'm gonna check it out, as Chris Cooper I want 1395 02:02:12.960 --> 02:02:18.840 to say, and Ryan Philippe Philip Anyway. Lastly, is what the octopus 1396 02:02:18.920 --> 02:02:26.399 called themselves? Most sources claim that they were called themselves simply the company or 1397 02:02:26.479 --> 02:02:31.039 the enterprise. You must understand that there were no business cards or letterheads. 1398 02:02:31.640 --> 02:02:36.079 This is a shadowy group of people that worked on word of mouth and associations. 1399 02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:41.640 You know that to break into Hollywood you got to know someone that works 1400 02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:45.560 in it, right. The same applies to the company, who will probably 1401 02:02:45.600 --> 02:02:48.760 say that they didn't me, that they didn't have a name for themselves. 1402 02:02:49.319 --> 02:02:54.239 They just did it, did what they wanted. It's who you know that 1403 02:02:54.399 --> 02:02:58.920 matters. But also, just like Hollywood, if you're talented enough or make 1404 02:02:58.960 --> 02:03:01.800 a big enough splash and are dirty enough, you may get invited in. 1405 02:03:04.479 --> 02:03:10.520 I ascribe to the theory that this group of people came about organically and help 1406 02:03:10.560 --> 02:03:15.520 each other out through mutual understanding and in favors. I don't believe that they 1407 02:03:15.640 --> 02:03:20.159 meet once a decade in some big evil conference. It's small conferences. A 1408 02:03:20.239 --> 02:03:25.600 few would meet in bohemian grow for example, while others meet in a board 1409 02:03:25.640 --> 02:03:30.840 meeting from a shady organization like BCCI or something else. A James Bond villain 1410 02:03:31.159 --> 02:03:35.319 would a mass power to try to take over the world in some flashy manner. 1411 02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:39.880 But what the octopus is doing is a more subtle version of it. 1412 02:03:40.680 --> 02:03:44.720 They already control the world or as much as they want, but don't care 1413 02:03:44.720 --> 02:03:48.840 about showing off. In fact, showing off will get you killed. I 1414 02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:54.680 tried my best piecing this thing together into something cohesive. In one way, 1415 02:03:55.479 --> 02:03:59.800 this three part series is my magnum opus, and in another way it is 1416 02:03:59.840 --> 02:04:04.439 a ball of nonsense with frayed, loose wires sticking out I've decided to go 1417 02:04:04.640 --> 02:04:10.760 with a quote to end this series which puts things in Danny Cassilera's perspective about 1418 02:04:10.760 --> 02:04:17.079 the Octopus and recaps a little of the central figures quote. Danny Casilera believed 1419 02:04:17.239 --> 02:04:25.239 the Octopus responsible for criminal conspiracies which linked formed a virtual history of intelligence double 1420 02:04:25.319 --> 02:04:30.600 dealing from nineteen fifty to the present. These events, in Cassilero's view, 1421 02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:35.520 included the ousters of US President Richard Nixon, Australian Prime Minister gou Whitlam, 1422 02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:42.479 the Shaven and the murders of Chilean President Allende, and of course President John 1423 02:04:42.520 --> 02:04:47.680 F. Kennedy. Cassilera saw the Octopus's tentacles entwined throughout the creation of the 1424 02:04:47.720 --> 02:04:53.800 Golden Triangle and Latin American drug trade, the Cuban Bay of Pigs debacle, 1425 02:04:54.239 --> 02:04:59.960 the October Surprise, the BCCI banking scandal, and, almost as an afterthought, 1426 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:04.680 the theft of promise software. Cassilera found a secret team, a high 1427 02:05:04.760 --> 02:05:12.079 cabal of players operating at clandestine parallel government. Identified previously by other writers, 1428 02:05:12.920 --> 02:05:17.439 the cabal had operated beyond the control or scrutiny of the elected government, financed 1429 02:05:17.439 --> 02:05:24.159 by drug running from Southeast Asia and the Americas. Other researchers tended to see 1430 02:05:24.199 --> 02:05:29.479 the octopus as a fog of political crimes ascribed to the alphabet soup of intelligence 1431 02:05:29.520 --> 02:05:34.279 agencies, institutions, or even the natural dialectic of the modern terrorist state and 1432 02:05:34.399 --> 02:05:41.720 its citizenry. Cassilero's octopus, however, was no grand, unified mega conspiracy 1433 02:05:41.800 --> 02:05:46.000 theory. Cassilera believed the crimes could best be identified by linking them to small 1434 02:05:46.119 --> 02:05:54.119 network of named individuals that made up his octopus. He outlined their hierarchy and 1435 02:05:54.239 --> 02:06:00.159 provided specific detail about their behind the scenes roles in contemporary political history. Casilero 1436 02:06:00.319 --> 02:06:05.680 named the people both familiar and unfamiliar to other researchers. He deemed the first 1437 02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:11.880 level the first level operatives to be Richard Helms, George Pender, John Phillip 1438 02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:16.520 Nichols, and Ray Klein. The second level included Robert Chasin, E. 1439 02:06:16.760 --> 02:06:24.600 Howard Hunt, Edwin Wilson, Thomas Kleins, and Ted Shackley. Working backwards 1440 02:06:24.600 --> 02:06:30.479 from the promised theft, Castilero saw them a new relationship, a nearly organic 1441 02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:39.119 entity that impacted on both past and then current events. I don't even know 1442 02:06:39.199 --> 02:06:49.319 what to say, man right it's so involved. It's stupefying, how involved 1443 02:06:49.359 --> 02:06:57.199 this thing is, how many players, how many world events, the finances, 1444 02:06:58.000 --> 02:07:03.079 the murders, the software. It's literally unbelievable. Yeah, it's it's 1445 02:07:03.800 --> 02:07:10.279 it's insane. And the thing is is that too much of it is true, 1446 02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:15.800 and there's so much that is true that isn't proven. It's just so 1447 02:07:15.920 --> 02:07:19.920 obvious. Then it makes you wonder the things that sound crazier are they also 1448 02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:23.439 true because we can't prove it, just like this other stuff that seems more 1449 02:07:23.479 --> 02:07:25.279 obvious. I don't know, you know, like where does the lino? 1450 02:07:25.640 --> 02:07:29.119 And that's where people like get lost in it, you know, as to 1451 02:07:29.960 --> 02:07:32.560 how much of it to take in, But I think I think it's much 1452 02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:36.520 easier in this case because so much of it is true. Like, like 1453 02:07:36.600 --> 02:07:42.479 I said, even half is already too much. Yeah, from one of 1454 02:07:42.560 --> 02:07:45.800 them, from one of them, it's too much. Like it says so 1455 02:07:45.000 --> 02:07:49.800 much more about their their brazenly actions. You know, that they can just 1456 02:07:49.960 --> 02:07:54.840 do whatever they want, get away with it. You know. I think 1457 02:07:54.880 --> 02:07:59.439 that even if half of it's true, we should we should assume that ninety 1458 02:07:59.479 --> 02:08:03.159 percent of it this is true and then work our way backwards to disproving them. 1459 02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:07.239 I don't think it should be, you know, innocence that they're proved 1460 02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:09.479 guilty. I think these guys probably should get the reversal of that where like 1461 02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:13.800 it should they're very guilty under the proven innocent. You know, you should 1462 02:08:13.800 --> 02:08:18.239 probably do that way. Now. The unfortunate thing, since this thing started 1463 02:08:18.239 --> 02:08:22.359 in nineteen fifties with the sacred cows of those old bastards that you know, 1464 02:08:22.720 --> 02:08:26.279 got all their glory from World War Two, Let's face it, they're all 1465 02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:31.720 mostly dead, yeah, you know, because age is a bitch and we're 1466 02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:35.720 all affected by that until they develop something. So we can only affect the 1467 02:08:35.720 --> 02:08:39.479 ones that are still alive or still working. And I'm not saying there is 1468 02:08:39.560 --> 02:08:41.600 not none of those. There's definitely some of those. But it's like jen 1469 02:08:41.760 --> 02:08:46.920 three of that, right, so just third generation of that. So like, 1470 02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:48.000 I don't know what they look like, I don't know what they're doing. 1471 02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:52.720 You know. The great thing about this conspiracy is that the hindsight of 1472 02:08:52.800 --> 02:08:56.760 it is what works is because so many people have already died and have already 1473 02:08:56.760 --> 02:09:01.680 come out. So many documents have been un earth and unsealed since the seventies, 1474 02:09:01.720 --> 02:09:05.600 sixties, fifties, whatever that we get to reap the rewards. Now, 1475 02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:09.479 now we can piece things together more. Right, Now I can say 1476 02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:13.640 this and say that with more vindication. If this was in nineteen eighty one, 1477 02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:18.640 I couldn't say anything about most of this stuff because it wasn't known, 1478 02:09:18.079 --> 02:09:22.079 right or you know, and then it just it sucks, like how much 1479 02:09:22.119 --> 02:09:26.479 stuff will thirty years from now reveal about stuff that's been happening this decade. 1480 02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:31.880 I have no idea. It's assuming it's still going and assuming they're still as 1481 02:09:31.960 --> 02:09:33.760 brazen. I mean, we've seen a lot of examples and a lot of 1482 02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:37.000 other things, But do any of them connect to the octopus? Or are 1483 02:09:37.000 --> 02:09:39.720 they dead? Did they just die off and that's it and there's just nothing 1484 02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:43.479 anymore. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard, very hard, I 1485 02:09:43.520 --> 02:09:50.039 don't know, very fun, very hard, You're right, but so incredibly 1486 02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:54.119 interesting in what a level of research you put into these three episodes. Man, 1487 02:09:54.239 --> 02:09:58.000 thank you. Yeah, and this I'll started with a TikTok from a 1488 02:09:58.079 --> 02:10:01.359 TikTok, right, that's right, yep, mm hmm. I'm never going 1489 02:10:01.399 --> 02:10:07.279 on TikTok again. That's basically what's what I'm saying. I don't know. 1490 02:10:07.640 --> 02:10:13.439 I think with that Oscar to take us home. Mm hmm