The opinions expressed by Chayo Busquets are supported by his extensive experience as a family
therapist and in the previous analysis of the cases presented here welcome, this is
Chayo Contigo in Joya. We start well, because we are already here in
Chayo Contigo, very smart for this day' s program. Starting week,
hoping wholeheartedly that you will be influencing in the best possible way and as we
had anticipated, today we have our program with our beloved Pedro Sánchez Paz,
our specialist in addictions, a home umbrella. I tell him always joking,
joking that Wednesdays are his, because it' s his segment day and today
I' m going to present him as God sends psycho therapist specialist in the
subject of addictions, with more than twenty- five years of experience working with
addicted patients and with the family of patients. In addition, he has worked
on prevention campaigns for schools, for various social communities, has conducted consultancies in
various rehabilitation clinics in the interior of the Republic and was clinical director in Montefénix,
this well- known clinic, which is a clinic for addictions for alcoholism
and drug addiction. With more than forty years of experience and good, he
gives lectures, lectures, schools, parents, kids. So it is important
to take it into consideration, because it can be extremely useful for them to
have it. That way and so, Peter, welcome. How about miquel
chayo, how are you all in order on this Monday and this, because
ready Monday fifteen, yes, truth, fortnight, fifteen, yes. No
wonder he saw a little spark in your eyes from what I' ll tell
you. That' s my dear Pedro, because today we decided that we
were going to talk about marijuana. We are going to dedicate the entire program
to marijuana, because the young people, particularly the young people, are increasingly
convinced that nothing happens, that it is no problem, that alcohol is much
more problem, that it is much more problem with tobacco, but that with
marijuana nothing happens. So, well, let' s talk about myths and
realities of marijuana. And I' d start, Pedro, by asking you
marijuana, if you' d like to know what other ways marijuana is being
told, yerba this ay they' re leaving me right now. Some but
well, to see pactically dog, churro, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. But whenever they talk like that, in those
terms they are referring to anabyss marijuana. Yeah, this is all about the
Mari Buana. Perfect. Well, then, to see myths and realities,
Peter, where we begin. Okay. I wanted first to start by saying
that I think that the program was perfectly well suited, since for this coming
Saturday is the four twenty, which is this four hundred twenty, is the
twenty, that it is good, it is a celebration for people who,
with its consumption of substances, is celebrated the day of cultivation and consumption of
marijuana. It' s not a very supportive day. This arises because in
a group of high school youths in California, in nineteen hundred and seventy-
one gathered to smoke marijuana at four twenty in the afternoon, because it was
the time when most of their classmates had already finished their school activities and then
they were too quiet to smoke marijuana. And as far as four hundred and
twenty. There is also the 70th, which is the 10th of July that
is associated with the consumption of hashi marijuana oil. Or because seven ten,
because if you put seven ten, you put it upside down, that is,
you write it down and you put it backwards, because it says hold
that it is oil. So they' re not very creative. These are
really awesome. It is very clear, but very very very creative. And
I' ve missed the question you asked me for talking about it. No
no this told you where we started, because it made realities and you said
good before that. Yes, sign of this that next Saturday is when they
would celebrate. Yeah, and this isn' t foreign to Mexico. There
is indeed one for the people who consume that, a whole holiday and,
obviously, it is also to want to promote in the part of already fully
legalizing the consumption of marijuana in Mexico in a recreational way. I' m
not going to see what I could tell you, let' s go with
myths. You think and we start by saying marijuana is a light drug.
Okay, many times they defend it and tell you that marijuana is a light
drug. Well, I think the first thing we have to say is there
' s nothing light about marijuana. Marijuana is a drug that generates an important
addiction with also important consequences, especially not exclusively, but above all at the
mental level, at the psychiatric level. It may have important consequences and patients
who may have from a psychotic outbreak to a definite psychotic disorder. Not this
one or present, for example, its early manic phases of bipolar, manic
depressive disorder. It can also generate you then light. In fact it doesn
' t have absolutely what is said then that it is light, because to
see, for example, the suppression that produces you marijuana is not as clever
as the one that can produce you, alcohol, cocaine, etcetera. It
' s a little quieter s p ers. If he shows up, even
though there are people who say no. But if it comes up, if
we understand by its pressure, when I stop when, after having consumed it
for a long time or consuming a large amount, I stop consuming it and
in that case it can be presented what is present In the cases of marijuana
users. It' s going to present itself above all at important levels of
anxiety and then anxiety is removed from them with marijuana and again it produces anxiety
and then, that is, we consume it and there it' s already
the roll. That' s like alcohol when I have to heal myself with
a beer, just like it, not exactly the same. This also because
the physical consequences are not as strong or as scandalous as it could be with
him. With other substances, you said it is not light as much as
they say it by its consequences. Not to see. It is true that
not all people who are going to use marijuana are going to present a psychotic
picture or any of this is true. I wouldn' t play it,
not to know if I' m going to do the s what, but
the truth is, yes. It is important to be clear to this part
and also not another. Another myth that is said is that marijuana does you
more harm, that it does you less harm than alcohol, or cigarette,
than tobacco. Not this one, because I would say no there too.
That' s not a reality either. It' s a myth. Not
this one. For example, let' s talk about the cigarette by comparing
it to marijuana. Except we all know that cigars are carcinogenic, because what
marijuana thinks is also carcinogenic. Not that it also has substances that can also
make you cancer. This one. The point is that if someone has seen
a person smoke pure or pipe, for example, how strong is the blow
that one normally gives because you smoke it, leave it in the mouth and
release it later, then not, because it is very strong. He'
s not coming in. He' s not coming in. When he smokes
a cigarette, he breathes a little deeper and then pulls it out. But
when you smoke marijuana, it' s a very, very deep repuration,
and aside, it tries to hold it in your chest. Or what happens
that these substances, which are toxic, are irritating the airways, of course,
and of course, all these harmful substances, because they have more contact
with respiratory organs. Then the risk is very important and very high. So
I think one problem is just trying to normalize the marijuana issue. The kids
are doing a lot, they' re looking for a lot of pages that
are pro- marijuana to want to normalize, to sell it to their parents.
And the problem is that I think that a very important problem with addictions
is the lack of awareness of parents about substances. Then a boy comes in
with these printed sheets not from his computer, and dads are given to read
them, to convince them to let him smoke marijuana, to let him grow
marijuana inside the house, or even that even the dad smoke marijuana with them
or the mom smoke marijuana with them. No yes, it' s true,
why don' t you leave me, why don' t you share
with me so you can see it' s not as harmful as you ask.
You don' t know how to test the little batch and already after
the tests, you tell me no yes, and we' ll even have
a good time together. Yes exactly yes, and it sounds common, especially
for parents you said teenagers have a huge generation gap at the time. Or
it sounds like a wonderful bridge to get in touch with your kids. But
what you' d be doing is becoming an accomplice to your son' s
illness, not even your son' s, but probably his illness. Already
one of the things they argue a lot is that with marijuana you can'
t stay on the trip that' s true? Don' t you?
Don' t you? Don' t you? Don' t you?
Is that right? I told you that good to see for some people who
are marijuana you can have a psychotic outbreak, that is, like a shot
from a psychotic state where you lose contact with your reality. But the person
too can, especially if your history of psychotic broad in one of those,
keep the wires stuck and already have a psychotic disorder and require for life a
psychiatric treatment with antipsychotic. Okay, and the other thing they also say isn
' t about marijuana. You' ll tell me yes or no. Nothing
more than right now left me when when when you tell him when someone dies
because he got more dope than the envelope two an overdose. Thank you,
my word' s gone. There may be doses of marijuana. There may
be about doses. It' s probably not gonna take you to die,
but yes, for example, we' re going back to having important psychiatric
consequences. And what is also important to mention because I' ve been told,
is that no one has died from marijuana use. Uh- huh.
The truth is that I mean very his The truth is that I believe that
what has happened is that the right studies have not been done to find out
if the person died from marijuana use. Ok not to see marijuana happens with
him as with alcohol. The two are drugs that are central nervous system depressants
and, of course, your reflection is not the same when you' re
driving under the effects of alcohol or marijuana. Then many accidents with fatal consequences
may have been related to marijuana use. But they do our studies. Not
in the case when there is an alcohol accident or the car smells alcohol or
is found in the alcohol bottles, because either the person hoele alcohol, with
the case of marijuana it is a little more difficult and look than marijuana.
It' s quite scandalous because of the smell, the smell, but maybe
I smoked it at a friend' s house. I got in the car.
I didn' t smoke in the car anymore and maybe in the car
won' t smell, but to see the person can bring important amount of
ths in his blood. We' re already continuing with the myths, that
we gather them with the myths, not to see another myth is that marijuana
is less harmful, because it' s natural, because it doesn' t
have chemicals like other substances. Now, it' s true it doesn'
t have chemicals, but well, to see the alcohol comes from the grapes
or the cane or the cocaine, it comes from the leaf of the also
the one of the cocaine silver. So this one doesn' t have any
other chemicals. And I would even say that we should also consider that different
strains of marijuana have been produced recently and that some of these have even been
created already synthetic cannabinoids. Not that you have to be careful of the part
that you see that it has no chemicals and apart that does not imply that
it is not an addictive substance and that it cannot cause significant damage to the
body. No, I think that part would also have to be considered then
there is the part of but this péutic era, that is, it has
an end to heal people, etcetera. A like once a 17- year
- old boy who told me, but it' s therapeutic and I say
yes, but you' re not even sick, I mean, that argument
is not valid. In your case, not to see. Almost all drugs
have also had a therapeutic purpose, i e cocaine, for example, came
to be used as an anesthetic for obstetric operations over time, i e almost
all drugs have been used or for therapeutic purposes, for purposes even sometimes at
the spiritual level, etc. Then this one doesn' t make it any
different. Actually none of this that we see maybe with other drugs not a
patient that at some point I had a young boy said to me okay,
bye I already understood that I don' t have to use marijuana when I
feel sad depressed, decayed and I don' t know how much. But
for pleasant purposes, if I can as if the substance did understand perfect.
Today I am consumed for purposes of plastation, of recreation when I consume it,
because the boy is sad depressed, because as he carries it with his
parents. Not then did I say what curious distinction is made in the mind
of the one who consumes in order to find a reason for consumption. Yes,
and that' s very continuous in addicted people, not marijuana or other
substance, but in this case marijuana, because they fall in love with its
substance very hard. I mean, I think there' s one substance that
' s very important for the doctor, yes, very seductive is marijuana and
the real person and he' s going to defend it with a cape and
a sword. For me, the most difficult patients are the patients who use
marijuana, definitely, because it is very difficult sometimes to break all these ideas
and beliefs that come to have this, even though the damage is evident.
Sometimes I tell my patients to see your friends with whom they consume, that
they consume a fate that you have not been affected by. No yes,
already, some are already seen as being distracted, like their attention, their
concentration, their memory, etcetera. That' s not gonna happen to me,
it' s not. Not me. What this magical thought is about,
because I think that to see and particularly in teenagers, I think that
part also sometimes a little narcissism of others happens because they are idiots. And
another one' s gonna happen to me. No, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no. Another important part is that the person who
already consumes the substances on a regular basis tends to minimize both the consumption and
the consequences it has brought them. And they believe that it has not brought
so many consequences. Don' t make him what complex you can go back
to, turn this topic around the fascination, because I would almost categorize it
there when I hear the kids defend marijuana. And I think another big question
is because they never say that it does well they say it is less harmful
than and I always ask and why we would have to compete for consuming less
harmful things, because better it doesn' t matter if it' s less
or more. Don' t expose yourself. No, but if there'
s an idolatry for marijuana, you' ve ever seen it throughout your history,
from your experito with some other drug, a situation that' s as
much a defender of not as marijuana. The truth is, they' re
hardly going to talk to you about the advantages it can offer you. Marijuana
helps me relax, it makes me hungry. This is true to see they
are effects that produce you. No or, for example, Ahorita mentioned that
part of it is that I' m depressed and that' s why she
smokes it from the outset to see if you' re adding a substance that
' s anthron nervous system depressant and you' re depressed, because you'
re not helping yourself. On the contrary, what happens is that their description
is that that' s why they feel depressed. It' s worth it
if they use marijuana and, instead, if they don' t use marijuana,
they care a lot and feel very bad and very negative about all that
feeling. But yes, I don' t know. He scolded my mom
and used marijuana, because my mom' s scolding doesn' t matter anymore.
Instead, if I don' t consume it well, I may be
tormenting myself by my mom' s scolding. No, yeah, okay,
so how the motive starts to work. It doesn' t make consumption very
attractive. Yeah, I' m not gonna care anymore, I' m
not gonna feel guilty anymore. I' m going to slip a little bit
everything that happens in life, which, in fact, is part of the
thing. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally okay.
And this and if we look at this, it becomes a vicious circle,
not a series of justifications, of explanations that he is buying himself continuously and
that, because he is, he is self- deluding. Give us examples
of everything you hear. I would even dare to ask you what was the
most absurd argument you' ve ever heard of those who even end up laughing
if sometimes it even seemed like they wanted to convince me to give them permission
to get clear. This one I remembered a lot when before the court.
I remembered very much a patient who arrived. They ran an anti- op
test on him. His school was positive. So it' s the argument
he gave was that he didn' t consume it, that he had only
consumed it once because he had gone with his friends and they' re going
to a party. They went down to buy their drinks and there was a
person sitting on the floor smoking marijuana and he said he smokes and he doesn
' t smoke and he says no, so better if I' m going
to smoke just in case I don' t. And then, but nothing
else, he gave her a little stick and no longer. I mean,
it was everything and that' s why I got positive. And the truth
is, if I told him in front of the family, I said you
know I didn' t. This argument, this marchueque story that if it
is not at all, it does not validate this having hardly of a single
tail, you would have given positive this either. Usually marijuana people know that
nothing else steps on lop no. Then they don' t get violent much
less, but there aren' t many ways that try to justify it,
that try to buy it, sell it to the family. And the problem
is that the family many times if it falls into all of this, not
because of the same, because they don' t get soaked in research about
consumption, what' s really going on. Not this one. There are
many people who even say no, because to see I prefer that he is
smoking marijuana, that they keep getting the others, the other drugs he was
using, not minimizing. It also seems to me that then it is a
light drug. When we get back, it' s not a light drug
at all. Not this marijuana inside all drugs and thinking about these illegal drugs,
this is, like alcohol, a substance that can be consumed rationally throughout
life, that generates addiction in relation to the other stronger drugs. Or I
' m already doing the same thing that patients who form man do a little
bit, and so am I because I' m already minimizing it a little
bit. Not to see this is that to see I believe that here the
subject is often not the substance itself. Not to see is like for example,
see, the problem is not sugar, the problem is if I'
m diabetic. No, the problem isn' t alcohol. How many people
can drink malcohol moderately. The problem is if I' m an alcoholic and
the same with marijuana. Not to see does not mean that once you smoke
her you are already addicted to marijuana, much less. But let' s
see when you start smoking it in a regular way, when this is already
bringing you consequences and you still consume it. When you start using marijuana to
impact in other areas, then there is a lot of attention to be paid
because it means yes no, that is to say to see that there might
be people who consume it eventually very much must be safe. Yes, but
if you' re already seeing that you' re already becoming dependent, it
' s time or your family is seeing it, time to ask for help.
Now. One of the things that we don' t consume gives us
some peace of mind is that if I meet someone on the street who'
s drugged but drugged with marijuana, I don' t feel in danger.
If the person is drugged with other substances, I do feel in danger.
If I feel like he can get aggressive, violent or something. That'
s a myth. I think that, in general, people who don'
t consume knowing that a person is drugged and regardless of the substance that got
in, it' s usually going to be very scary, not and usually
it' s going to be very stigmatized and very pointed out. So this
one I think there' s no big difference if it' s marijuana or
if it' s another role to see. I don' t know if
it' s a variant of the same question. I' m repeating the
same question to you in another way. It' s not clear to me.
But a person by marijuana use gets aggressive, can get aggressive or the
other way around as he lowers them and puts them in the very good very
good question. It can be aggressive to a person who sees her as a
faggot I can also produce paranoia and not paranoia. Yeah, there might be
a reaction I mean, yeah, I can make you paranoyola. It'
s very common. Explain to the public the stop Yes, the stop has
felt that there are people who want to hurt you or that there are people
who are conspiring against you OK and want to harm you then defensively. Yes,
I could for a moment react in an aggressive manner, ok, because
of the side effect of marijuana. Wow. And I have a comment here,
Pedro that suddenly among the questions I ask you maybe I imply things that
don' t tell me a radio listen hello doctor I' m hearing very
interesting the topic, but addiction is, addiction be one substance or another.
Yes, of course, of course I do, however, at the risk
that they might misunderstand me again. I understand it as an addiction concept,
but since the impacts, I do imagine there are differences. And it'
s not because again we prefer then consume the mild impact not at all.
They' re all bad substances, but in the impacts there' s no
difference between smoking mota and getting heroin through the vein. No, yes,
there are differences. There aren' t ones to see, there are drugs
that are much more addictive. For example, there are people who tell you
that with heroin, with the first time you got in, you can generate
a dependency. No, I mean, there are drugs that are much more
or much more aggressive. Physically not through the route of administration that can have
a much stronger and more aggressive impact on you. This I, of course,
also agree with what to write this person, because, at the end
of the day, addiction to whatever it is, we are talking about that
it is an important issue and that it will bring consequences for both the consumer,
for as well as for the people around it and that it can have
a very strong impact. But yes, it is true that there are drugs
that are going to have an impact, for example, at the level of
the liver or above all at the level of the liver, because it is
where almost all substances are metabolized. But at the mental level, marijuana has
a very harsh impact and nothing more of these pictures that I' m mentioning
Maybe I' m staying a lot with the psychotic pictures and all of this
but there are problems of attention, memory, concentration, numerical calculation, logical
thinking. Marijuana, at some point in time, produces something called motivational syndrome.
The person begins to lose motivations in different aspects of his life, loses
motivation for school, for work, for the bride, for the same sex
can even lose motivation for his personal arrangement, for his personal toilet, that
is to say that it has a strong impact. Of course I do.
No. I think no, no, it is not the idea of selling,
which is a substance, it is by no means less aggressive or harmful
than other substances, all drugs, all in all addictions, also in due
course we will mention it. But there are no healthy addictions to work or
exercise at all. When you' re already talking about an addiction, this
is also indicating that you' re losing a balance in your life, that
you' re neglecting certain areas that are important because of the activity or the
consumption of a substance and clear that it does have a very strong impact.
So keep it up. That' s good to see. I think one
thing that is also important is being able to identify. There are three types
of marijuana and it also depends on this a little bit of the effect that
each of them can have. We have one that is very well known,
which is satibac, that this is a marijuana that produces climates that are normally
hot and the effects are going to be a little like generating energy, it
generates a little stimulation ah look, unlike what is associated with the Laterary of
what you have, and it may be that at the beginning and then,
if you already, then relax, or then we have the indication that it
is the opposite. It is planted in climates that are rather cold and this
does have more relaxing and sedative effects. And then we have the ruderalis,
which is normally also grown in cold regions and has the ability to autoflower,
which means that forgiveness will be cultivated, it will flourish regardless of sunlight.
In other words, it is usually used a lot to create a new base
for strains by combining them with drugs, with the other two types. Not
then does he mention this, because it is also true that some marijuana can
have a certain effect on you, one that is totally different. You don
' t already hear what you' ve seen, oh forgive me thank you
for what you' ve seen in your consultation here, in Mexico City,
metropolitan area and so on. You can identify more what kind of marijuana you
get here in town. It is not the one to which the young people
are most exposed, because they are the first two, not the Arctic ones
and I think they are the most common ones. Evidently, we live in
a hot climate, so the satirical ones are even easier to buy. No.
And the other important part is, because dads pay a lot of attention,
not to see marijuana. Unfortunately, it' s like very easy to
detect because it' s very smelly. It' s very characteristic of a
person who once smelled like marijuana. He' s gonna identify that smell.
The smell is always very scandalous. But let' s also see the marijuana
users, because they' re going to try to take care of all this.
Not because of the smell of the eyes, simulate it, yes,
see if you see if you are finding at all times quotas of these to
remove the red from your eyes, because it is for something it is not,
it is not the environmental contingency. And the smell of marijuana is when
it' s on, it' s the cigarette. Even marijuana smells when
it' s not on, when it' s dry. It' s
no longer a value. It' s very characteristic. I mean, a
mom who' s fixing her son' s room opens a drawer for him
and can smell him. Marijuana can find a bag and say ay looks oregano
smell it and you' ll see it doesn' t smell like Ear.
No, not to see how it smells. I can' t explain it
very well because it' s no. No. No, they didn'
t say it smells like,' cause I can' t identify. I
mean, I can' t say like what. Unfortunately, I have the
clear smell, because I have these little neighbors who live alone, who study
in Mexico and what. Such and good in the evenings, when I climb
up the stairs, I say oh, my God here, here we are
active and the parents very quiet in their house. No, yes, but
the smell is very expensive, yes, it is very characteristic, since they
tell you that, what smells is marijuana, you already detect it wherever you
are. Yeah, yeah. This one. On the other hand, I
was telling you a little bit to see what the red eyes look like,
not that right now. The kids are also selling a lot. Not that
you didn' t smoke, that the contamination is not sleeping well and parents
sometimes buy it all. No, yes, yes, there are also parents
who then tell you to see I smoked when I was a kid and then
no, two three, yes, nothing will happen to me. He'
s experimenting. Evaluate that, he' s experimenting, because maybe the kid
' s already smoking a lot longer than you have, you imagine. And
well, I think we need to give tips. And this is a challenge,
because you don' t sound like dads. But come on, yeah,
we need no, but yeah, we need this to put overboard.
Yeah, me first. I think I' d say first with the parents
in question about what I' ve already mentioned, but I think I'
d start soaking up a little bit more on the subject of addictions, looking
for information. There' s a lot of information. This says we have
right now in the wonder of the Internet. We also need to review which
pages have to be consulted, because there are also some that can also give
us very confusing information. But I think I do get to know a little
bit more about what drugs are, particularly in this case of marijuana two,
not normalize it. No, no, because then you fight sonygas. It
' s just that everybody does it, it' s just that so-
so- so does it. I mean, that' ll happen in other
houses. This must not be happening in my house. Not being very attentive
to the first signs that can appear in question of consumption, as it can
be, because changes in habits, such as sleep, appetite, is sometimes
not even changes of friendships. And I' m not talking about them being
mean to people. Simply the person can have a very important change in his
personality for the kids, I think something is also important or work also with
the kids, the subject of assertiveness, being able to say no without fear
to what may be the consequence that this may have in question of rejection,
for example, of some social groups, things like opening up a totally frank
and clear communication within the family. I say that sometimes communication has to have
three aspects, that it must be an assertive, effective and affective communication not
to talk about our emotions and how I am feeling that the person can talk
about what he is experiencing, the emotions he is experiencing without being judged,
let alone that he can say things say that emotion that I don' t
know about which one doesn' t talk becomes a symptom. And the symptom
can be depression, it can be anxiety, it can be alcohol consumption,
drug use, etcetera. And, of course, the issue of self-
esteem as well. In the chavo we are starting that the population now most
at risk, obviously, to start using drugs, particularly marijuana. You'
re going to be the easiest drug they can offer you illegal is going to
be a teenage population. Waiting for the self- esteem issue in them too
doesn' t it, certainly? Is that a whole thing, no doubt?
It is a whole subject, a subject that we will surely not leave
in our Wednesday segments. But how well played so deep in correctness talking only
about marijuana, because it gives us a very clear idea and knowledge and I
would strongly endorse the idea that You propose that you cannot allow your children to
know more about drugs than you, that is, the parents, have the
obligation to soak up these issues, to know that they can' t tease
you with a passer- by response and you ah ok or so it is,
or, that' s what you' re there, it' s
not like you said it' s oregano. Not this barbarity. We don
' t have to get in. We have to get in, Peter,
how they can get in touch with you yes, it can be through Whatsapp,
the number fifty- five, eighty- five, thirty- four,
twenty- two, six, two or the Facebook page. Yes, it
' s emotional health. That' s right, that' s right.
That way you can get in touch with him if you have any questions,
questions, questions, send him a whatsapp and have a little patience, because
he' s giving consultation all the time. You do us the great favor
of coming and taking this getaway here to be with us. But it is
certainly very worthwhile to take, take clear measures and learn from these issues.
I thank you in the soul, as there is always nothing to thank.
Happy to be here with you. I thank you so much and we hear
each other tomorrow Audio center,