Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I'm your host Alejandro Rojas,
and I am here with Martin Techno willis Wow. I like that.
Yeah, I like that a lot. You know why, because you're you're
like a tech no more than you know, you're like a techno genius.
Because you were awesome at our conference. You were running a TriCaster, the
most complicated piece of machinery we have, does all the switching, and what
people don't know is like when we're projecting out to the screens, you know,
that's what people see who are there at During the meantime, the person
working on the TriCaster or switcher is also switching what is seen on the DVD.
So you got to be doing both at the same time. And then
you were doing it during some of our most important times. So you did
it during the Elisondo piece and then also during the Aware Awards ceremony, and
I know you were scared because during the award ceremony it's important because you can't
accidentally show people you know what's coming up, which happens sometimes because you want
that to be a surprise. So there was one little mistake during the award
ceremony. I guess people don't even have to know it. It wasn't you
know. We can edit that out. That's what's fun about this stuff.
But that wasn't your fault. The audio guy forgot to turn off the music
at one point. Oh yeah, so we had to start one of the
videos over. But great job, buddy. Well you know it was it
was really the crew you have behind the scenes. People don't know this,
but they're They're just great guys, every one of them. I just really
really enjoyed hanging out with them, and they were you know, they taught
me how to do that stuff and morey is it is complicated. I was
nervous, but I thought it all went off pretty good. It went awesome.
So, you know, a shout out to some of those people behind
the scenes who are just awesome. You're right, our help is amazing.
I mean, they want to keep doing things all day long. It's hard
to get them off of their position, so all day long they're running these
scenes. So we had uh, let's see, we had Jordan Peas he
does the duplication. You see him at a lot of these conferences backstage,
along with Carlo Patrick, who's back stage with Jordan doing a lot of these,
so like at Moofon, I think they helped Paula backstage stuff like that.
Carlos kind of our director, oversees everything, make sure everything's running on
time, helping you with the TriCaster. On the TriCaster, we had Danny
Torguson, kind of a local hero out here. He's a he's a musician
and just funny, goofy, cool guy. He has shiny pants and he
likes to help me give away the door prizes when he's present, and then
you were running TriCaster with him. We had Dennis Friar Meth who is actually
the local chief move On investigator and he's awesome. He was helping with making
the DVDs and stuff. He has his own av company. And then we
had Al and Don running cameras. Don Rob good buddy, local guy we
see often. He's a retired fireman for Mesa and Al was a friend of
Danny's. I guess he's kind of Danny's manager. And he came and he
ran the cameras the whole time, even when Danny couldn't make it. He
was awesome. On the audio, we have Michael bou I think is how
you say it. He's he's a genius. He's amazing. He's back there
running all the audio. He helps set up the lights, but he's back.
If something breaks, he rewires it and gets it working again. Incredible
stuff. We also had a Heidi Gad she was helping out. She owns
a music store nearby. We met through Danny, but also she runs a
radio show locally or works on one, so she was helping out backstage.
Front of stage, we had my family actually showed up. My sister Eliza
was helping selling stuff. My stepdad Jewel, my sister Carrie helped. She
was with at least packing and unpacking stuff. And then we had Chase Kletzky
helping sell stuff. So of course she's a a well known you followist in
her own right. She's awesome. Victoria Albright was helping out, and they're
awesome just because they're both people who smile all of the time and it's funny,
yeah, really funny, so that helps. And then we had Mary
Anne rob who's Don's wife, helping with the vendors and various other things.
She's a Gilbert police officer, but another person who's just absolutely awesome and I
think that is everybody. Yes, I have to say something about is that
Michael the sound guy? Yeah? What a character? Oh my god,
is he funny. He's a unique individual. If people go look at Bryce's
Abeles Facebook. He helped Bryce find a scorpion in his room. And Bryce
had a scorpion one night and I told him you ought to talk to Ben
he might have some equipment, and Michael hurt. He's like, oh let
me help, let me help. So Ben Innsen and Michael went up there
and they were able to help him out. Hilarious. But yeah, so
I'm glad you brought that up. I should talk about my guests before we
move on. The guest today is Louise Elizondo not live. Not live though,
however, it's the interview that we did that we showed at the UFO
Congress and the reason I'm playing it today. Some of you may have seen
it because I just did post it, or many might not be aware.
I just posted it on YouTube late last night, so it's been up and
by last night I mean Saturday, because we're Martin's going to be busy tomorrow
on Monday when we usually record, and so we're recording on Sunday here,
so it'll be up a couple of days by the time you all hear this.
But I know my listeners are podcasters, so you guys don't get to
get on your computer and go look at YouTube and everything so much so,
and I know you guys should typically appreciate when I do this, when I
take of our videos and I put it in audio format so that I can
play it on the show. So this is all for you, so you
all can hear from Elizondo yourselves, and then I can. I'll follow up
the last ten minutes with some thoughts and some things that he's shared with me,
specifically because I have spoken to him prior and after hit the interview,
and so that should be exciting. And this being Sunday, some of you
may or may not know Tonight, Sunday night, he's going to be on
with George Knapp, so which reminds me. I got to respond to an
email because George Knapp was really excited at that I was able to get that
video up because he wanted to look at it before the interview. His interview,
and then he asked me some questions about you know, what can he
follow up on and there are some things he could follow up on. So
yeah, so some of the questions that George will be asking will be generated
from these questions that you're going to hear now too, and most likely he'll
be referring to our interviews. So George Knapp's awesome, of course, A
big is. I actually wrote him and he responded to me. I wrote
him a question to ask tonight that someone keeps asking me to ask and anyway,
he said he's gotten over three hundred emails, tweets and texts and he
says he'll do what he can. Yeah, I hear you. He says
he needs four two hour interviews to be able to cover everything he's been People
have been asking him to asking him to ask, but this particular audio you're
going to be playing here, it is the questions that were asked are actually
from some of your listeners. Yeah, mostly they're from listeners there, some
from researchers, some are mine, but mostly they're from listeners. And there
was also a reddit that was somebody posted. One of the listeners posted and
he got some questions there and forwarded to me. So some are from there
as well, and uh, they're they're absolutely great. Questions some that I
have thought that just in my own mind that I would like to know.
And uh, I know we can't really do any spoilers here, but you
know, just some of the things he said in that interview, I mean,
really are quite amazing, and uh yeah, there are great questions and
and he was very open to answering any and all questions and that was really
cool. He's like, bring it on, I don't care how crazy they
are. I don't care if these guys are skeptical and think I'm some kind
of faker or something. And he just addressed that in the questions. Yeah,
He's like, you know, who are they don't have to believe me?
So yeah, he's he's really really cool about it. So, having
watched that, I'm curious, what was your impression. What did it change
your mind at all? Or was there I guess, yeah, did your
did your thoughts about the whole thing him change it all? You know?
I kind of had a feeling about him in the beginning that he was just
like a down to earth guy and this, this video now audio really proves
that very well. You know, just for a couple of his responses to
the questions, we're like, well, if you know, kind of like
be skeptical. It's you should be skeptical and be skeptical of me and everyone
else, and you know, let the data. Let the data speak for
you know, what's going on. And he's he was very encouraging, and
I'm encouraged because I think that there is a lot more to come and I'm
really excited to and I feel like he's on our team. I don't know,
yeah, you feel like that, but I feel like he's on our
team. And he's a really good person to be on the team. You
know. I've been telling people that because I'm talking to him and he wants
to be on the team, and he's excited to be on the team,
and and I people keep making this kind of an US versus him type of
thing, and I'm like, guys, no, no, no, he
is on our side. I mean he's a team member, kind of like
Nick Pope is now, you know, someone who worked in the government and
is now doing what we do. And I think you get that sense,
you know, I think with genuine people who are just trying to speak from
the heart and not live but just try to you know, articulate information as
best they can and answer questions as truthfully and as thoroughly as possible. They
come across as genuine. I would say, you're one of those people,
you know, as far as you know, people who people are always wondering
are they lying? Are they not? But Travis Walton is one of those
people. And it's important to meet people like that to get a sense of
them. And I think very quickly you can get the sense of someone and
at least someone who's open and honest, and and that's the sense I get
from lou. You know, we did that presentation where I introduced the whole
thing and got people up to speed for a while, and then Nick and
I did a wrap up at the end, and I told people this that
if he's lying, he's fooled me, and because he just just comes across
as a very genuine person. And one of the things he says and people
do have to keep this in mind is you know, he probably still has
his high level you know clearance. What am I trying to say? But
he can't he can't divulge a lot of things. I mean, there are
some things that he just are still top secret that he knows that he absolutely
cannot talk about and I think that's where some people get frustrated. Well,
just like Nick Pope is the same. There are times where Nick Pope says,
I can't answer that question. And you know, in particular, I
remember he won't talk about like the Queen and whether he's briefed her or hurt,
or the royal family and their interests, because that's a topic I love
to write about, and of course we've got a lot on that at Openminds
dot TV. But yeah, he's like that, but so is like so
are others like John Alexander. And of course these people get accused of being
liars, like disinformation is working for the government, which is kind of said,
just because you worked in the military or worked in defense, you know
you're you're a liar. You can't have an interest in this stuff. I
think my listeners are not the type that go down that road so much.
But Lew himself even says, you know, you'll hear him talks about,
you know, the importance of being skeptical. You know, he knows a
lot. Like I just said, he knows a lot that he can't talk
about. But what he does say is, I know UFO is a real
you know, and just coming from someone that had a government position that is
researching UFOs based for that, I mean that that's kind of monumental in a
way. It is, it really is, you're right. I mean,
just that he says that there is a program and the program continues is monumental.
It's a really important, really amazing step. And you know a lot
of people think, you know, the program stopped in twenty twelve. I
think that's when they say it was, but it actually continues. It's just
a different type of funding. Yeah, and that's where you know, people
just know about the funding, the twenty two million for the five years,
but they're you know, the government's always been very well i'll say crafty at
funding certain projects. And that's what's funny. In this interview you'll hear lou
Elizondo speaking about that. But that is also one of the things. If
you go to the video, remember, you know, I encourage people please
do go to our video on demand. You know, we don't charge for
people to listen to our podcast or much, but we do charge a slight
monthly fee to go to our UFO Congress video on demand and you can see
little literally hundreds of videos there and I do have up right now the Lou
Elizondo video, so you could see my introduction and Nick Pope and I discussing
afterwards. But Nick Pope talks to that point, how can you run a
program with no money? And he Lou talks about it, I think very
clearly, and then Nick Pope backs him up and exactly this is how we
did think some and so you hear more about that coming up. Yeah.
Yeah, it's too bad he couldn't make it to the con I mean,
he really wanted to be there. It's just the scheduling issues. You know,
it's too bad. But I thought the video was very well done and
it was you know, it didn't feel like anything that was edited. It
just felt like he was just talking, which was really good. Yeah,
just answering the questions as best he could. Yeah. Well, I also
really enjoyed at the Congress. I really enjoyed the Travis Walton segment. Oh
that was and so many more. But I mean that was really special.
Exactly, that really was. I agree with you. I mean to have
the police officer who was unseen, and what was great is he was him
and Travis's brother were so good. I mean when they came on. They
they talked about their experience and their side of things each and they were so
thorough in the way that they did it, and they had funny stories,
emotional stories. They were absolutely incredible. That was a great presentation. I
loved them. I have to say that was my favorite. Really, Yeah,
that was really good. Luis Alizondo was amazing, but that was definitely
my favorite. Yeah, that's good. There were so many other great speakers.
I mean, you know, what was fun sorry, just one more
thing on the Travis thing. What was really fun too, and it was
really off the cuff was Karen because you know, my listeners heard Karen talk
about how she discovered you know, the police officer Chuck Ellison and and what
you know those people had to say, but which was really cool stuff.
So the listeners already had insight on that. But during the talk, you
know, I was thinking, oh, Karen really needs to share this,
So I was tweeting her and trying to get her in the room. So
I did get her in the room, and then when we opened up the
questions and answers were able to get her on the mic, and then she
actually read the email from Gillespie the sheriff and that was really cool. And
as she revealed on the show, you know, a few weeks ago,
the sheriff shared with her, at least his wife, that he believed Walton
and the guys. He believed that they were not lying, that they experienced
something, which is essentially what Chuck Ellison said. So this is straight from
their mouths. So you know, all of those skeptics out there who are
making up all of these different scenarios of Travis Lygon saying that the sheriff had
busted him, that was, at least from what we were told, not
true from what they conveyed to Karen just before he passed away, you know,
right, he that was believe this stuff. That was who played James
Gardner played his yes, yeah, and firing this guy. I had a
dinner at the one of the dinners, had a conversation with Chuck Ellison and
you know, just just chatting, and he said, you know, we
had to we had to think that Travis was buried in one of the brush
piles they were going to burn. We had to think. He said,
It's not what I wanted to think, but he says, as a police
officer or I had to be responsible and think that way. You know,
when this crazy story, you know, came out, he says, you
know, the first thing he noticed is that they were all like stomping around
and crying. You know, a lot of them were crying, and then
they were really a wreck. Yeah. No, so yeah, it was
really really an amazing That was again, that was really good. You were
going to say something else. I think you were going to move to another
talk before I stopped you. Well, I know Dean Haliotto. However,
you say that he was such a character, What a funny guy he was.
He was really good. Yeah, he was great. And what was
some of your other favorite I know, unfortunately I miss Bryce Zabel's talk,
but I've heard a lot of people talking about it. Mm hmm. Yeah,
there were a lot of other great talks. I you know, I
would say Stephen Bassett and Linda Howe and Bill Burns, who were some of
our headliners, were fun. And the reason I say fun is that and
interesting. But they do a lot of connecting the dots, and uh,
that means making assumptions and speculating and and and so that's what makes that interesting.
But I really loved the hard stuff you know, like whether Elizondo was
short sharing or the Walton stuff too. Michael Carter was a lot of fun
because he's just a neat guy and an inspirational guy. And this is one
what was interesting because he didn't have a lot of necessarily content UFO wise,
but he still did really well and people he was one of the most popular
talks just because you know, my listeners will know because I have him on
the show for the same reason. He's just so inspirational and it makes you
feel good. But all of these people did a great job. I mean,
they were flawless in their presentations. Bassett's going to be doing a documentary.
You know, he's really excited about about Rockefellers, so people should go
to a site if you want to help him out with that. But people
really loved Susie Hansen. She got probably the biggest applause. Yeah, and
there were a couple other standing ovations. But sometimes the speakers will kind of
wait for it and then people stand up, and that happened. But she
wasn't even really soliciting it or expecting it, and just as soon as she
was done, people were on their feet. And that was really interesting because
she's of course an abduction researcher with her ideas about how all of this contact
stuff has happened. So that was really nice to see. Of course,
we brought her all the way from New Zealand and it was a local move
on Stacy Wright especially and some of the other local move on people who had
said she was amazing and people did love her, so I don't know there
were a lot of really, I think they were all good. I personally
did not feel that there was were any duds. I agree this year sometimes
there are, but I didn't feel that way this year. Alice Druffle,
what a classy woman. She was talking about her mother Anne Ruffle and James
McDonald. Yeah that was great because you know, having grown up with this
stuff with her mother. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. And
we gave her mother the Lifetime Achievement Award. And nobody knows this, I
guess outside the conference really yet and because we haven't posted much and maybe she
did. But Cheryl Costa also did a great job and she was awarded the
Researcher of the Year award. I think the listeners would know why because I
refer to her and what she's done quite a bit. But we'll have our
videos on these words up soon as well, so you can hear the justification.
And I think that people understood why she received the award. I think
each of them once they saw the videos. Yes. Yeah, And someone
was asking where they can ask me just today where they can actually buy these
tvds they're on? Which website? Are they on? UFO Congress dot com,
So, UFO Congress dot comments where you can buy the video videos soon.
We don't have them up there yet, but we will in the next
couple of days. And then our new UFO Congress I ask everybody please go
subscribe to our new UFO Congress YouTube because we created a new one. That's
where you'll find the Alessando video. But we'll also be posting all of this
stuff, these clips on that YouTube site, so if you subscribe, you'll
be notified immediately when we upload those excellent Okay, so that's where you posted
the new I did see that video posted today, the Alizondo one, and
I'm that's going to get a lot of a lot of views for sure.
Yeah, it already has, but it looks like we're out of time,
it does, doesn't it. Yeah, So thank you for so much for
helping. You were awesome Martin at the conference. You really did do a
great job. Of course, everybody check Martin out at Podcast UFO. We're
going to take a short break and we'll be back with the Elizondo interview.
If you're listening to kg r A, you'll hear some commercials. If you're
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Thank you very much, Martin, You're very welcome, and talk to you
next week. Well, we have a special treat for everybody today and that
is this exclusive interview we've got with Luis Elisondo that he did for the International
UFO Congress. How this really came about is that I was luckily available to
get a hold of Louise. He said that he wanted He was enthusiastic and
excited about coming to the Congress and doing a talk and meeting people and answering
all the questions he could, but then he had this medical procedure to do
that got rescheduled so he couldn't make it. Then he said, okay,
well you know, Karen and I could fly out there and interview him,
but that didn't work out, so luckily he was going to be in California
visiting Tom DeLong and some of the other To the Stars people, and so
they said, you know, we'll do the interview, send us questions from
your listeners, and we'll do our best to answer those questions. We'll edit
that together and get that to you by the converse. And they did,
and so it turned out excellent. He answered a bunch of really great questions,
so some of these might be yours, so very excited about this.
Of course, we have the video up on YouTube, but for you podcast
listeners, I know some of you don't have a lot of time and so
you can't go to YouTube to watch the whole thing. So I thought you
would enjoy to hear it here on the podcast. It's always kind of a
fun way to get this information. We are going to do a follow up
interview in a month or so, and I'm sure we'll have Alizondo live on
this podcast in a not too distant future, which is going to be really
exciting. But you know what, there's so much to unpack with all of
this information that it's not that bad really to get this information in bits,
so we can understand it. We can come up with better questions when we
do the interviews. It was also a lot of fun at the conference.
Now you can go to our video on demand. Go to ufocongress dot com.
You'll see a big advertisement and a link to the video on demand and
you can watch the entire Elezondo presentation. Because I went over how this all
came about. You know, how we gave Tom DeLong you know, that
award last year, and then how in October they released the To the Stars
Group, which we've referred to to as the TTSA. And then and then
how you know, as a part of that, you all heard me talk
with Leslie Kane about you know, how important that news was, but it
didn't seem like people were paying attention. And then you heard my follow up
interview with Leslie Kane just recently about the New York Times article that broke in
December that just made huge, huge news about this a TIP program. That's
what we're calling it, because the acronym is the Advanced Aero Threat Identification Program,
which is essentially looking for UFOs and Elizander confirm that the Department of Defense
to confirm that this group exists that you know, they worked with Robert Bigelow
to investigate UFOs. A couple of cases, of course, have been released.
We've talked about a lot of this. So we asked Lou some of
the important questions. Now what they did is someone off screen read the questions
to him and he answered them, but they edited out the questions and they
put these slates in there so you could read the question. It's just a
but of course an audio that doesn't work. So what we've done here is
I have edited I've said, asked the questions, and I'm editing in here
the questions so you can hear them, and then you'll hear ELO's response.
So that's how this is set up. Also the beginning, he actually had
a statement he said at the end that he made for the people at the
conference, but when they edited the video together, they actually took that statement
and put it at the beginning. So what you're going to hear first is
Lou making this statement and then getting into the questions. Let's see any other
things you need to know. Oh yeah, this is cool info and this
will be kind of exclusive for you. Really, is that at that presentation
at the UFO Congress that I talked about where I went over everything up until
the and then we played the ale Asondo interview. I also did a follow
up. After we played the interview, we had Nick Pope on stage,
and of course that's important because really, as I feel, is ele Axondo's
kind of our Nick Pope of the US. Nick Pope of course worked for
the Ministry of Defense in the UK investigating UFOs and he had some really great
insight that he shared after we watched the video. You can see that on
the full presentation of the Alexando video from the UFO Congress. So I do
implore you, you know, it's only five ninety nine to go register to
the video on demand and you've got hundreds of videos. You've got this entire
Alezando presentation also, and we'll be releasing very quickly all the rest of the
twenty eighteen DVDs, including Martin's favorite Travis Walton. We'll have that up hopefully
in just the next couple of days here, so really good stuff. Check
out our video on demand. Without further ado, let's listen to this interview
with Louise Eleisondo. Pursuit of the truth is the fundamental endeavor of mankind.
The truth, whether it's for knowledge, enlightenment, or even love, the
truth is the only thing that allows us to ensure our asthmuth remains true and
our destination assured. It is my experience that the success of any journey relies
on the people who are along for the trip. As with every expedition,
each person plays a critical role and serves a purpose on that trip. And
yes, that includes healthy skepticism and even dissenting views and opinions. Only with
all views and voice is heard will we be able to plot a course that
represents the best chance of our success for reaching far off shores. So I
say to you here and now, let's not be afraid to ask the hard
questions or challenge the words of our experts. Let's not be shy to own
our passion and push the boundaries of our horizon. In conclusion, thank you
for your courage and your time and your audience. Today. You are the
true heroes and the ones who deserve awards. Thank you again. How did
you first get involved with a TIP? My first involvement with the Advanced Aerospace
Threat Identification Program began back in two thousand and eight. The former program manager
at the time was looking for somebody to provide dedicated counter intelligence support to the
effort, which I wasn't aware of at the time, And so in two
thousand and eight, a couple folks came to my office and they asked to
have a conversation with me. And usually, as a fed in our line
of work, when strange people come to your door and they want to talk
to you, it's usually not a good thing. In this particular case,
we had several meetings. They asked me a little bit about my background,
and after the third meeting, I was introduced to the program manager and at
that point it became apparent to me why they were asking me the questions they
were asking me, And so in two thousand and eight I was asked to
come on board. I did, and I worked for the former program manager
at the time, and in twenty ten, upon his departure, I was
asked to take over the program formerly as the director. Did you work with
Bigelow? If so, what was that like. My personal experience with mister
Bigelow has been nothing but unbelievable, a complete privilege and honor to work with
such a titanic force in the aerospace industry. Mister Bigelow is not only a
commensurate professional, he is also a true gentleman. I found working with mister
Bigelow's folks, all his folks, to be extremely rewarding. These individuals are
truly some of the best of the best that we have working in areas that
very few individuals have really any understanding of the complexity involved. You're talking about
putting space vehicles in orbit around Earth and potentially run the Moon. So anytime
you have an opportunity to work with individuals like that, it's always a privilege
in an honor. Where did a tip receive its cases from? A tip
received his cases from various different channels. So where our office sat at the
top of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, we had multiple avenues of
approach, so you had in some cases reporting would come up through Navy channels
and other cases it would come up through Air Force channels, and other cases
that come through the intelligence community. And as as the single focal point,
if you will, for this capability, all roads, I guess lead to
Rome. In this particular case, all roads led to our office. Regarding
the phenomena, how did a tip continue without funding after twenty twelve, so
a tip did continue continued in earnest. After twenty twelve, an additional tranche
of funding was provided to our organization. Unfortunately, the congressional verbiage was a
little bit vague, and so the funding was diverted to another office. But
the funding was intended for US, so it was supposed to go from twenty
thirteen to twenty fourteen. And then at that point fiscal constraints became increasingly tight
within the department and we were forced to do more with less, or in
some cases, more with nothing. So we very quickly continued our efforts and
we started to dual use a lot of what we were doing. So,
as an example, one may be interested in putting out a requirement looking for
let's say, advanced ICBM technology, right, So you would go out and
you would ask folks, I want you to be able to give me a
paper that helps me understand anything coming into Earth's orbit with these particular profiles,
so you know, hypersonic velocities, lobs of ability, et cetera, and
what might be useful for let's say, identifying North Korean ICBM missiles coming into
continental United States could also be useful. Then identifying other objects, things that
are coming in with that same flight pattern, but not necessarily a ballistic missile.
So we got very clever at dual using, and the reporting continue to
come in through our office, and quite frankly, the program ever went away.
So we just became very clever, as everybody else in the department of
having to manage our resources I think in an increasingly constrictive way that still allowed
us to obtain the data we're trying to obtain, but in the same respect
not require additional resources to come in for new projects. So I guess in
short, in lay terms, we got very clever at managing our money and
our time and our resources. We learned to confederate a lot more so,
rather than us shouldering the burden of everything, we learned to leverage our partners
in the intelligence community and within the services to help us do a lot of
the functions that we were trying to do in house. How were the videos
released? Was it under false pretense or a trick as a Washington Post suggests.
No, there was no trick and there was no false pretense. The
videos were released in accordance with the strict manner that Dood prescribes to DoD manuals
and regulations involving the release of information. It went through the official Dopster process,
and then furthermore, an additional step was taken to have the videos reviewed
by foreign disclosure representatives, in fact, the most senior foreign disclosure representatives in
the department, and ultimately required OCA or Original Classification Authority approval and review to
release the video. So, in essence, I didn't release anything. The
Department of Defense released those videos. The documentation is held by the Department of
Defense, and the justification for releasing those videos were exactly as stated, and
that was to create an unclassified database people could then access and try to help
us identify the signatures we were seeing. Will we ever get more information about
the gimbal video? I suspect we will always get more information as people with
additional expertise and and experience and backgrounds continue to look at the videos and not
just getable I think any in all videos, we will begin to put together
more pieces of the puzzle. There are experts I would submit now that are
out there, perhaps within this audience that was watching this video now, that
have the ability to look at some of these videos and help us have a
better understanding of what it exactly we're looking at. I think it's important to
understand that what people chalk up as atmospheric can anomalies or flear phenomena resulting from
infrared glare. I think it's important that the audience understand that we already have
the equipment when we are when this information is being collected, we can already
ascertain very very quickly whether or not this is infrared glare, heat glare,
or an atmospheric disturbance. I think it's important to know that you can't get
a radar lock on atmospheric disturbance. I think it's important to recognize we have
already the technology that will tell us very very quickly if something is simply flear
fuss or ir haze, if you will. So these things are are certainly
beyond our understanding at this point, but it is not, as some have
stated, just some sort of atmospheric anomaly or reflection that we're seeing. Why
are the videos so short and why do we not have more information about them?
So videos can be short for many reasons, just like audio or anything
else. Keeping in mind, there's a legal requirement to protect sources of method
within the US government and classified information and even some unclassified information that remains sensitive.
So it is important note that if someone is looking at a video,
it is highly probable that the portion you're watching is what has been cleared for
public dissemination and release, But there may be portions of audio following that immediately
following that clip that gets into classified sources and methods. Perhaps it starts talking
about the operating AOAR at the time that the film was taken, or by
precise capabilities and technologies that the US government would want to understandably want to protect.
So a lot of these these videos and audios and things that people are
seeing are short because of the fact that it's quite possible that the government's protecting
sources and methods. Plain and simple, how did you discover to the Star's
Academy and didn't have anything to do with your decision to leave the Department of
Defense. My decision to leave the US government was before I ever knew anything
about to the Star's Academy of Arts and Science. My initial plan was to
frankly fade off into the sunset, take a job working something that I could
enjoy that was completely unrelated to the US government and if you will, like
I said, fade off into the sunset. It was actually the Two of
the Stars Academy of Arts and Science that found me through some colleagues of mine
in the intelligence community, once they found out that I was leaving, had
suggested that maybe I should talk to some of the folks to the Stars who
were interested in talking to me. Do you think the story of the pilots
and the aviation threat program has sunk in enough with the masses? I can't
answer on behalf of the masses, I sure hope. So sad to say
that I've been doing this for long enough where we have a lot of compelling
information and data and documentation, eyewitness testimony, and there is still, for
some reason, this hesitation, this blockage that prevents people from having an open
and honest dialogue and conversation at about the phenomena. And I think, from
my perspective that's actually more troubling than the phenomena itself. How can I best
bring up the UFO subject without being scoffed at? And what is the best
way to get non believers to take it serious? One short statement, The
best way to not get scoffed at and ridiculed is not to have the conversation.
Sadly enough, that's the truth. However, cowardice will never get us
where we need to go, so we have to have a conversation. I
think the best way to have the conversation is having it where we allow the
science and the data to speak for itself. Opinion, suppositions, things of
that nature aren't overly helpful. In the end, it doesn't matter what me
luis alesondo things. What matters what the data says, and then you formulate
your own opinion. And I think that is the strength and when we're using
the scientific method, it is imperative that we strictly adhere to those rules because
ultimately, in the end, the data going to speak for itself and it
doesn't really matter what I think. What matters is what you think based upon
the data. So the easiest way to have the conversation let the data speak
for itself. Sometimes data, as you know, the truth. Sometimes she
whispers, and sometimes you have to really listen hard. But if you listen
carefully, you can hear what she has to say. And that was my
job for the last ten years. Were you previously subject to a non disclosure
order and have you been released from it? First of all, I was
never released from any non disclosure agreement with between me and the US government.
In fact, I still maintain a security clearance, or at least I think
I do, and so I'm obligated to protect classified information at which point until
the information becomes unclassified or I die. So I have not been released from
any non disclosure agreement, and I am legally bound by those and so that's
why sometimes when I ask questions what may come across as being vague or in
general terms, a bit evasive, it's not on purpose. The problem is
I'm legally bound to protect that information, and so, in short, no,
I haven't been relieved of that obligation at all. Is it possible that
the evidence and analysis for each case will be made available to scientists like us.
I think it's more than a possibility. I think it's an imperative that
conversation needs to occur between the American people and our lawmakers, and if the
American people insist on it, then it'll happen. I think it's a matter
of time. I'm not sure we can put at this point the cat back
in the bag. I think the conversation has already been started, and I
think it's inevitable at least that's my hope. What are your day to day
activities and involvement at to the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences. Well,
I was hired to be the director of Security, Global Security and Special Programs,
So right now, it's pretty simple. My job is to protect people,
places and things, so as any any person in the security realm is
aware of that's it's it's pretty basic function. I think is very important.
Keeping in mind that this is not just a function where we were worried about
traditional acts of crime, someone's stealing something or something like that. Uh,
there is potentially some counter intelligence perspective to this. Uh there is, there's
there's personnel, security, there are there there's a whole whole spectrum of issues
and things that we need to I think we need to keep a handle on.
Especially if this company is going to grow, which hopefully it does.
We those equities that the company have will will have to continue to be be
protected. What would you say to those who are skeptical because of your intelligence
background and suspect that you are spreading disinformation and falsehood mixed with some truth,
I would say, remain skeptical. Healthy skepticism is very important, in fact,
it's imperative. In fact, in my job as an intelligence officer,
I was paid to be skeptical. I think you should always question all the
information that comes before you by anybody who says anything. And I think that's
true, not just with people like me. I think it's true with government,
religion, and everything in between. However, in this particular perspective,
I don't really I don't really care if you believe me. That's not my
intent. My intent is for you to listen to the data and look at
the data yourself and allow you to come to that conclusion. In the end,
it doesn't matter if you believe me or not. What matters if you
have access to the data, then you can formulate your own opinion. One
thing I've learned long ago as an intelligence officers that I could be absolutely sure
of something, absolutely so of something, and I can still be absolutely wrong.
So in the end, those of you who are healthy skeptics remain skeptical.
I think you need to ask a hard questions, continue to push the
boundaries, because that's how we find the truth. The truth has nothing to
fear. So if you don't believe something, then keep asking the question,
keep doing the research, keep demanding the data, and hopefully you then can
come to the same conclusion that some of us came to. Pretty good steph
ain't it. So we'll be right back with Louel Azanda. We've got some
more stuff to talk about, and then once the interview is over. There
were a couple of questions that I felt were really important that didn't get in
the interviews. So afterwards, when I talked to him about the video and
how what we got, I said, hey, there were a couple of
questions, you know, one from Nick Pope and one from me that didn't
get in there that I think are really really important and I wasn't sure if
he would be able to answer them. But I did ask those questions and
he was able to answer them, and I think that's some important stuff.
So that'll be coming up in just a minute after this break and after the
interview here, but it is time to take a break. If you're listening
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back momentarily. We are back. You're listening to Open Minds UFO Radio.
I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we are listening to a pre recorded
interview exclusive for the UFO Congress of Luise Eleisondo. So let's get back into
it. Why do you think these crafts are likely extraterrestrial and not from another
country that has discovered more advanced physics. So let's look at the term extraterrestrial.
I don't like to use that term very much, but in a definitive
way. When you look at the definition of extraterrestrial, it just means beyond
terraforma terraforma beyond terrestrial, beyond beyond this this thing that we call Earth.
The question is do they come from outer space, innerspace or the space in
between. I don't know. I have my own personal opinions about it,
but it would be very misleading to give you those opinions because in the end,
we don't have enough data. It would be great if we could point
a figure and say, ah, it was a Russians, or the Chinese
or someone else. The problem is that the data that we're seeing, we've
been seeing for a while and it's so advanced that by now it is hard
enough for us now to replicate our observations with our understanding of quantum mechanics.
But for this type of technology to be available when we first started seeing it,
I think is beyond improbable. I'm not going to say impossible, but
it is really, really, really unlikely. So that leads then to the
next question. Well, if it's not ours and it's not theirs, then
whose is it? I don't know as it is. That's why we're asking
the hard questions. That's why we did what we did for the last ten
years, and why we need to continue doing what we're doing, because we
need to ask those questions. We don't know whose they belong to, We
don't know who they are or what they are, but we know that they're
real. So I would submit to you that because of that, we need
to continue to explore. We need to continue asking the hard questions. Why
is the running time of the two released videos Nimit and gimbal so short?
Was their additional footage captured? It's important to know that the US government has
a responsibility to protect classified information A sense of information to include sources of methods.
My law so oftentimes when you see information before you, you are looking
at a snapshot in time under a very particular set of circumstances. Keeping in
mind, the information that may have come before that or after that could be
very classified. It could discuss things, for example, of who took the
footage, or under what circumstances were they in combat? Was it in peace
time? Was it an exercise. Things that would give away are what we
call tactics, techniques, and procedures TTP and Department of Defense and in the
intelligence community. So to protect that information from getting in the wrong hands,
what you are seeing is information that has been deemed deemed by the Department to
be unclassified, and that way everybody can look at it. What comes before
that or after that, I can't. I can't discuss that. I'm not
at liberty to discuss that because frankly, that's the government's call to make that
determination of mind. Regarding the Gimbo video, do you know anything about the
chain of custody documentation? The chain of custody documentation is the province of the
Department of Defense. I think it is it is. If anybody wanted to
see it, it would be up to the Department Department of Defense to release
it. It is a DoD form, it is not classified, so but
unfortunately, as a DoD form, you have to go through DoD to ask
for a copy of it. What are the possibilities of additional releases of information
from these incidents? Are you still working to release additional information? How can
we help? Now that I'm in the private sector, my intent is to
push the envelope as hard and as fast as I can. I know what
I've been privy to, and I think we need to have the information available
so the American people can have the discussion amongst themselves and with our lawmakers and
then make a determination if it should be a national security imperative. That shouldn't
be a decision that I make. That should be a decision that you make,
and then you tell your leadership what you want them to do, and
then your government does that. Is there any reason to believe UAPs may be
dangerous? Have there been any incident where UAPs were aggressive or defensive in a
way that could cause harm? No outward aggression. But please allow me a
moment to provide you a very rudimentary analogy. I've used it before, but
I think it's fitting. So I think most people, not all, but
most people would agree that locking your front door is probably a good idea to
do before you go to bed at night. So most people do. And
it's not that they expect something bad to happen, but we do it as
a precaution. And so imagine every night, now you lock your front door.
You go ahead and you secure your windows, and you lock your windows,
and then right before you go to bed, you go to your keypad,
you punch in your keypad, and now your house the alarm is armed
and everything is secure. But for some reason, every morning you wake up,
you go downstairs and have your coffee. You look in your living room
and there's muddy boot prints in your living room and they're not your boot prints.
Now, nothing's been taken from your house, no one's been injured or
harm, and nothing is out of place. And yet here you go every
night, lock your front doors, you secure your windows, and you turn
on your alarm. And yet still these muddy bootprints continue to show up day
after day. So the question is how do they get there? The question
is is it a threat? Well, I think you have to presume it
could be a threat until you sure it's not a threat. And that was
my job when I was in the Department of Defense was to make sure things
were not a threat. And until I could prove they were not, had
to make the presumption that they could be. Given the history of misinformation,
disinformation, lies, concealment omissions, and other cover ups in the past.
Regarding the subject, what gives you and your associates more credent compared to the
past talking heads to give us faith? Well, I think in the past
we you had just said, you have talking heads. You have people that
have political motivations for one reason or another. Some of them had political allegiances.
My organization when I was in Department of Defense were a political We didn't
care if you're a Democrat, Republican, independent, or anything in between.
Our job, our loyalty, was to the American people. That's who we
took an oath to defend. Keeping in mind, all of us, whether
military or national security, took an oath to defend this country from all enemies,
foreign and domestic. And that's exactly what we did. And to this
point, even after I left government, I've never been officially relieved of that
responsibility. So is this some massive effort for misinformation. If it is,
it's probably the worst effort to do so, because there would be holes all
in it. I thinks for my motivation to come out, I gave everything
to do this. I gave up a fantastic job, off at the top
of my career, doing very well, financially, had a great four to
one K plan, great benefits, pension, everything. It's easy to sit
back and armchair quarterback and on a weekend go through blogs and say this or
that, this or that and other things. To give up every single thing
you have going to pursue this in order to have the conversation with the American
people. This, I can tell you was not a financially good decision for
me. It was not a good decision in anything anyway, because I've spent
my entire career living in the shadows. In fact, to some degree,
my survival depended on it coming out in this way. If anybody were to
ask for my opinion, I would say, this is the last thing you'd
ever want to do. But at the end of the day, I believe
in what I'm doing. I believe it is the right thing to do,
and if albeit for nothing for us to have the conversation. At least have
the conversation now where we can do it and you can hold your heads up
high and not worried about the social stigma that's attached to this and the labels
that have been given to you. Then I think I've accomplished my mission.
What articles of evidence can you and your colleagues provide that you are willing to
submit for independent scientific review? Oh my goodness, I think I'm going to
have to leave that question to some of our smart folks in the organization,
some of our scientists, some of the folks like Steve Justice and how Poot
Often some of the folks out there who have probably forgotten more about physics than
I'll ever know. As far as releasing that type of data and those type
of theoretical arguments, that's not really my forte. And the problem is if
I tried to pretend to be that person I would I would probably do a
terrible job at it. So I'm going to leave that question too far smarter
people than myself, and hopefully they can give you a better answer than I
can. You have said in interviews that a Tip has made significant progress in
understanding the advanced physics of UAP. Are you going to share this knowledge freely?
Well, that's what we're trying to do. I think before you share
any information, we first need to make sure. We need to ensure the
veracity and the validd information is what it is the last thing you ever want
to do, and you would reinforce the whole misinformation campaign notion if we put
in from prematurely that has not met a rigorous standard of the way we look
at information, then we would actually be doing a disservice to you and everybody
else. When we were an a tip, we applied the same level of
rigor to these incidents as investigating these incidents as we would to any other type
of investigation espionage or terrorist of investigation. And I think you need to have
that level of scrutiny when you're doing this type of thing to make sure that
the data is real and it's pure, because what we don't want to do
is get into a situation where we either inadvertently or on purpose, mislead anybody.
We have to make sure that we preserve the integrity of the information to
the very best of our ability. So sometimes it's not necessarily on the timeline
we like, but Our hope is to get it out there eventually in a
way that is clear, makes sense, and preserves again the data in a
way that anybody could look at if this was a quarter law and say,
yes, that information has been preserved to the way it should be preserved.
What are two or three books on this subject that you think most accurately represent
the phenomenon as you currently understand it. Wow, So people are gonna hate
me for answering this way. I have deliberately, for the last ten years
not read any books, any blogs, any movies, anything related to UFOs.
I've done that on purpose, not because I don't like anything about it.
It's because, as I understand it from a scientific perspective, and as
an investigator, I want to if you will sequester the jury, I want
to preserve the information the best I can, and if that means ensuring I
don't have any type of subconscious thought about something, because I may have read
an article where now, all of a sudden, subconsciously there's this idea or
notion in my head that will then cloud my judgment of looking at the data
that I'm looking at. So in order to prevent myself, protect myself from
even being tempted to have some sort of conclusion before I have the data.
I have purposely steered away from reading books. And it's not that they're not
good books and they're not worth reading. I am absolutely certain they are.
Now that I'm out, I plan to do so. But it was critically
important for me to make sure I remain as unbiased and objective as possible while
collecting and processing this data with my colleagues, and so for that reason,
I avoid it as much as possible trying to read anything that could somehow bias
my my approach. You say not from any nation, but have not used
the word alien? Why? Well, because I think alien means a lot
of things to a lot of different people. You know, we're here in
San Diego, and right now people are trying to build the wall to keep
out aliens. So you know, I hesitate to use aliens because what does
that mean? Alien just simply means something not from here, So by definition,
you know there's a lot of aliens that we have. I prefer to
keep it without labels for that exact reason, because I think we prejudice if
we say aliens, we immediately assume outer space or out there, and when
we could be talking about innerspace or as I said before, the space in
between the bottom lines. We just don't know, and by putting a label
on something, I think we prematurely prejudice the jury and our objectivity when we're
talking about this subject. So that is why I haven't used the term aliens,
because I'm not sure that's even accurate, because we truly don't know what's
behind the wheel, or at least I don't, and so for that reason
I'm not going to speculate. There have been claims that the audio of the
Gimbo video does not seem to be original. Professional pilots on duty would not
use language like dude and broll, so the sentence the winds one hundred knots
out of the west would not be pilot jargon. What would you say in
response to such claims? I would say these videos have been pulled off of
US government systems, and they are absolutely indeed from pilots on US military platforms
and capabilities. I will tell you, in stressful situation, whether it's a
combat situation or not, sometimes radio discipline it goes out the window. I've
been guilty of it myself. Stress does things to individuals, it does different
things. I think if one were to ask Commander frav or any of his
colleagues if they ever talked like that, they'd probably tell you, yes,
I'm not going to answer on their behalf, but they will absolutely talk like
that. And that's just, unfortunately the way sometimes stress we react to it
as human beings. Your background includes microbiology, immunology, and parasiteology, with
research experience in tropical diseases. Where did you study these subjects and for what
purpose? I attended the University of Miami, probably spent less time studying than
I should have, but I realized very quickly after, after nearing the end
of my education there, that I wanted to serve my country, and I
wanted to serve my country in a way that I could use some of my
education in microbiology, I meanology, and parasitology in a productive way. So
I joined the United States Army and the best decision in my life, hardest
decision of my life, but the best decision, and I quickly realized.
Initially I wanted to go in and do some sort of biomedical intelligence, perhaps
maybe dealing with WMD. But after I came into the Army, I realized
that my true passion light in the intelligence discipline ri at large. It was
less the medical side of it and it was just intelligence. To me,
intelligence was awful, lot like playing the game of chess against an enemy you
may never see, and so to me, that was very intriguing. Can
we expect more footage and or classified documents to be released anytime soon? Well,
classified information, no, I don't think we'll ever get classified information released.
I think you can get classified information declassified, and once that information is
declassified, then absolutely it can be released. But the government is usually not
in the habit of releasing classified information. So if the expectations for people that
classified information is going to be revealed, I think they're going to be sadly
disappointed. But on the good side of it, I think that there's plenty
of opportunity to have information that may be sensitive or considered classified, now have
that information stripped of sources of method and have it downgraded and declassified. And
yes, I do. I think the intelligence community does this all the time.
In fact, I know they do, and I think this is something
that can be done in this area no differently than anything else. Look what
just came out recently with the papers on the Kennedy assassination, etc. So
it is possible, and I think it's it's certainly within the realm of reality,
and if if you ask me, I would certainly champion that effort myself.
What specific actions can regular people take to help the government release more UFO
information to the public. I think we need to engage our leaders. I
think we need to engage those individuals who we put in office to represent us
and our equities and our interests, and we need to let them know it's
okay to have the conversation, it's okay to support things like Harry Reid and
Senator Stevens in any way did and have the courage to ask the hard questions
and pursue doggedly the things that we don't understand. In fact, I think
that is one of our sacred missions as mankind, is to pursue those deep
dark recesses that we have a hard time understanding and a hard time reaching.
I think it's in our nature. I think it's in our spirit, and
I think it's in our DNA. And so I would encourage everybody to reach
out to their elected officials and keep asking the hard questions insist that the truth
being made public. Thank you so much to Lou for being on the show
for us some really great information. Of course, this was exclusive for the
International UFO Congress, but we wanted to share this portion of it with people
because it's very important information at this time. To see the entire presentation and
to see other presentations from this year and others, please go to our UFO
on demand that you can get to at Ufocongress dot com. Other so I
told you, Lou and I had a conversation after this video was delivered to
us, and I said, hey, there were a couple of questions that
weren't answered. Can you answer them? One was from Nick and one was
from me. He said, that would be great. Nick's question was,
and I think this was a great question, especially given that he's someone from
an insider himself, and I think that this answer would be telling. You
know, but Nick wanted to know, what is your relationship like with your
former colleagues. Lou's answer was that it's it's good that officially he has no
relationship with them because of course he's retired. However that personally he has a
great relationship with all of the people that are still in the DoD that he
used to work with, including the individuals who are running the A tip program
currently. So yes, it does continue to this day, and that's a
big deal that right now the Department of Defense is investigating UFOs. Of course,
for decades we were told that there was no interest by the government in
the UFO topic. And not only did we find out that this program exists
in two thousand and seven, but it continues to exist to this day.
And lou says that the person in charge is a very high level official and
that there are actually a team of people that are working on the at program
right now. So UFO cases are still being investigated. That's fascinating. So
a great question from Nick. My question was regarding the medals, and now
a little bit more has come out about this, at least on Coast to
Coast last night, George Knapp had asked these questions. But if you haven't
been able to listen to that, the question is about what about these alloys?
The New York Times talked about these mysterious alloys that were recovered that Bigelow's
facilities even had to be modified to hold them. There was a little bit
of clarification. Bigelows facilities were modified to house a whole program, not just
these materials, Like there's a bunch of materials. But these are not alloys,
he says, they are meta materials. And what that means is essentially
is a manufactured material and it has strange isotopic values that indicate that it's not
from this planet. So this is material that seems to be manufactured, that
seems to be very advanced, something that we couldn't create, and it seems
to be have been created off planet essentially, so fascinating. That's all I
was being I was told. But now this answers the question of alloys because
people said, wait a second, there are no unknown alloys. That doesn't
make sense, and so this clarifies that question. So really good stuff.
We're going to be able to have some follow up interviews coming up here in
the not too distant future. Day tuned. Unfortunately, I'm gonna be or
actually fortunate for me, I'm gonna be out of town next week, so
there won't be a show again next week because I got to relax. Oh
my gosh, I'm barely recovered from the I wouldn't even say I am recovered
from the conference. In fact, I got an ulster. Oh, so
I'm relaxing and trying to take it easy, and of course there's a lot
to get done, like I'll have up on the store in the next few
days. Also the DVDs, so you can go to the UFO Congress store
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want to thank you the listener for listening once again, and for those of
you who said hello at the conference. It's always wonderful to meet listeners,
and I did get to meet a few more, and that's always an absolute
pleasure. So you all have a great time. I'll talk to you in
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