WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:47.000 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I'm your host Alejandro Rojas, 2 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:55.520 and I am here with Martin Techno willis Wow. I like that. 3 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:59.280 Yeah, I like that a lot. You know why, because you're you're 4 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.000 like a tech no more than you know, you're like a techno genius. 5 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:08.840 Because you were awesome at our conference. You were running a TriCaster, the 6 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.799 most complicated piece of machinery we have, does all the switching, and what 7 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:18.840 people don't know is like when we're projecting out to the screens, you know, 8 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:23.879 that's what people see who are there at During the meantime, the person 9 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.959 working on the TriCaster or switcher is also switching what is seen on the DVD. 10 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:33.319 So you got to be doing both at the same time. And then 11 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.000 you were doing it during some of our most important times. So you did 12 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:42.439 it during the Elisondo piece and then also during the Aware Awards ceremony, and 13 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:48.040 I know you were scared because during the award ceremony it's important because you can't 14 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:53.719 accidentally show people you know what's coming up, which happens sometimes because you want 15 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.000 that to be a surprise. So there was one little mistake during the award 16 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.000 ceremony. I guess people don't even have to know it. It wasn't you 17 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.560 know. We can edit that out. That's what's fun about this stuff. 18 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.079 But that wasn't your fault. The audio guy forgot to turn off the music 19 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:08.800 at one point. Oh yeah, so we had to start one of the 20 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:13.439 videos over. But great job, buddy. Well you know it was it 21 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:16.639 was really the crew you have behind the scenes. People don't know this, 22 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:21.759 but they're They're just great guys, every one of them. I just really 23 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.000 really enjoyed hanging out with them, and they were you know, they taught 24 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:29.639 me how to do that stuff and morey is it is complicated. I was 25 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:34.639 nervous, but I thought it all went off pretty good. It went awesome. 26 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.639 So, you know, a shout out to some of those people behind 27 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.919 the scenes who are just awesome. You're right, our help is amazing. 28 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.759 I mean, they want to keep doing things all day long. It's hard 29 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.960 to get them off of their position, so all day long they're running these 30 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:53.319 scenes. So we had uh, let's see, we had Jordan Peas he 31 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:57.719 does the duplication. You see him at a lot of these conferences backstage, 32 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.960 along with Carlo Patrick, who's back stage with Jordan doing a lot of these, 33 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:06.000 so like at Moofon, I think they helped Paula backstage stuff like that. 34 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:10.400 Carlos kind of our director, oversees everything, make sure everything's running on 35 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:15.199 time, helping you with the TriCaster. On the TriCaster, we had Danny 36 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:20.879 Torguson, kind of a local hero out here. He's a he's a musician 37 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:27.199 and just funny, goofy, cool guy. He has shiny pants and he 38 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:30.639 likes to help me give away the door prizes when he's present, and then 39 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:36.639 you were running TriCaster with him. We had Dennis Friar Meth who is actually 40 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:45.360 the local chief move On investigator and he's awesome. He was helping with making 41 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:49.960 the DVDs and stuff. He has his own av company. And then we 42 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:55.080 had Al and Don running cameras. Don Rob good buddy, local guy we 43 00:03:55.120 --> 00:04:00.400 see often. He's a retired fireman for Mesa and Al was a friend of 44 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.800 Danny's. I guess he's kind of Danny's manager. And he came and he 45 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:08.520 ran the cameras the whole time, even when Danny couldn't make it. He 46 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:13.800 was awesome. On the audio, we have Michael bou I think is how 47 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:17.040 you say it. He's he's a genius. He's amazing. He's back there 48 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.360 running all the audio. He helps set up the lights, but he's back. 49 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:26.639 If something breaks, he rewires it and gets it working again. Incredible 50 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:30.639 stuff. We also had a Heidi Gad she was helping out. She owns 51 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.720 a music store nearby. We met through Danny, but also she runs a 52 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:40.839 radio show locally or works on one, so she was helping out backstage. 53 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:46.079 Front of stage, we had my family actually showed up. My sister Eliza 54 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:51.720 was helping selling stuff. My stepdad Jewel, my sister Carrie helped. She 55 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:57.639 was with at least packing and unpacking stuff. And then we had Chase Kletzky 56 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:00.800 helping sell stuff. So of course she's a a well known you followist in 57 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:05.279 her own right. She's awesome. Victoria Albright was helping out, and they're 58 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:12.040 awesome just because they're both people who smile all of the time and it's funny, 59 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:15.319 yeah, really funny, so that helps. And then we had Mary 60 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:21.959 Anne rob who's Don's wife, helping with the vendors and various other things. 61 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:28.399 She's a Gilbert police officer, but another person who's just absolutely awesome and I 62 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:33.759 think that is everybody. Yes, I have to say something about is that 63 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:39.040 Michael the sound guy? Yeah? What a character? Oh my god, 64 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:44.399 is he funny. He's a unique individual. If people go look at Bryce's 65 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:50.720 Abeles Facebook. He helped Bryce find a scorpion in his room. And Bryce 66 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:54.759 had a scorpion one night and I told him you ought to talk to Ben 67 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.519 he might have some equipment, and Michael hurt. He's like, oh let 68 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.720 me help, let me help. So Ben Innsen and Michael went up there 69 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:05.040 and they were able to help him out. Hilarious. But yeah, so 70 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.959 I'm glad you brought that up. I should talk about my guests before we 71 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:15.959 move on. The guest today is Louise Elizondo not live. Not live though, 72 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:20.240 however, it's the interview that we did that we showed at the UFO 73 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:25.079 Congress and the reason I'm playing it today. Some of you may have seen 74 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.639 it because I just did post it, or many might not be aware. 75 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:32.800 I just posted it on YouTube late last night, so it's been up and 76 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.839 by last night I mean Saturday, because we're Martin's going to be busy tomorrow 77 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:43.000 on Monday when we usually record, and so we're recording on Sunday here, 78 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.639 so it'll be up a couple of days by the time you all hear this. 79 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:51.480 But I know my listeners are podcasters, so you guys don't get to 80 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.759 get on your computer and go look at YouTube and everything so much so, 81 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.680 and I know you guys should typically appreciate when I do this, when I 82 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.000 take of our videos and I put it in audio format so that I can 83 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.000 play it on the show. So this is all for you, so you 84 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:11.040 all can hear from Elizondo yourselves, and then I can. I'll follow up 85 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.680 the last ten minutes with some thoughts and some things that he's shared with me, 86 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:20.720 specifically because I have spoken to him prior and after hit the interview, 87 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:26.079 and so that should be exciting. And this being Sunday, some of you 88 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:30.839 may or may not know Tonight, Sunday night, he's going to be on 89 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.680 with George Knapp, so which reminds me. I got to respond to an 90 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:40.480 email because George Knapp was really excited at that I was able to get that 91 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:45.319 video up because he wanted to look at it before the interview. His interview, 92 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:47.600 and then he asked me some questions about you know, what can he 93 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.040 follow up on and there are some things he could follow up on. So 94 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:57.120 yeah, so some of the questions that George will be asking will be generated 95 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:01.920 from these questions that you're going to hear now too, and most likely he'll 96 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.839 be referring to our interviews. So George Knapp's awesome, of course, A 97 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.920 big is. I actually wrote him and he responded to me. I wrote 98 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:16.639 him a question to ask tonight that someone keeps asking me to ask and anyway, 99 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:22.680 he said he's gotten over three hundred emails, tweets and texts and he 100 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.439 says he'll do what he can. Yeah, I hear you. He says 101 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.240 he needs four two hour interviews to be able to cover everything he's been People 102 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.159 have been asking him to asking him to ask, but this particular audio you're 103 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:41.600 going to be playing here, it is the questions that were asked are actually 104 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.440 from some of your listeners. Yeah, mostly they're from listeners there, some 105 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:50.799 from researchers, some are mine, but mostly they're from listeners. And there 106 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:56.320 was also a reddit that was somebody posted. One of the listeners posted and 107 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.559 he got some questions there and forwarded to me. So some are from there 108 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:05.840 as well, and uh, they're they're absolutely great. Questions some that I 109 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.600 have thought that just in my own mind that I would like to know. 110 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.759 And uh, I know we can't really do any spoilers here, but you 111 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:18.399 know, just some of the things he said in that interview, I mean, 112 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:24.240 really are quite amazing, and uh yeah, there are great questions and 113 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.519 and he was very open to answering any and all questions and that was really 114 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.399 cool. He's like, bring it on, I don't care how crazy they 115 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.080 are. I don't care if these guys are skeptical and think I'm some kind 116 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.399 of faker or something. And he just addressed that in the questions. Yeah, 117 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.200 He's like, you know, who are they don't have to believe me? 118 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:48.120 So yeah, he's he's really really cool about it. So, having 119 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.120 watched that, I'm curious, what was your impression. What did it change 120 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:58.080 your mind at all? Or was there I guess, yeah, did your 121 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:01.200 did your thoughts about the whole thing him change it all? You know? 122 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.919 I kind of had a feeling about him in the beginning that he was just 123 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.919 like a down to earth guy and this, this video now audio really proves 124 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.320 that very well. You know, just for a couple of his responses to 125 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.879 the questions, we're like, well, if you know, kind of like 126 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:26.919 be skeptical. It's you should be skeptical and be skeptical of me and everyone 127 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.120 else, and you know, let the data. Let the data speak for 128 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.799 you know, what's going on. And he's he was very encouraging, and 129 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:41.120 I'm encouraged because I think that there is a lot more to come and I'm 130 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:46.600 really excited to and I feel like he's on our team. I don't know, 131 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.159 yeah, you feel like that, but I feel like he's on our 132 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.000 team. And he's a really good person to be on the team. You 133 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:54.000 know. I've been telling people that because I'm talking to him and he wants 134 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.600 to be on the team, and he's excited to be on the team, 135 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.559 and and I people keep making this kind of an US versus him type of 136 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:03.279 thing, and I'm like, guys, no, no, no, he 137 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.639 is on our side. I mean he's a team member, kind of like 138 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.000 Nick Pope is now, you know, someone who worked in the government and 139 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:15.879 is now doing what we do. And I think you get that sense, 140 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.440 you know, I think with genuine people who are just trying to speak from 141 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:26.440 the heart and not live but just try to you know, articulate information as 142 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:31.360 best they can and answer questions as truthfully and as thoroughly as possible. They 143 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:33.080 come across as genuine. I would say, you're one of those people, 144 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.440 you know, as far as you know, people who people are always wondering 145 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.519 are they lying? Are they not? But Travis Walton is one of those 146 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.399 people. And it's important to meet people like that to get a sense of 147 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.879 them. And I think very quickly you can get the sense of someone and 148 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:56.039 at least someone who's open and honest, and and that's the sense I get 149 00:11:56.039 --> 00:12:01.320 from lou. You know, we did that presentation where I introduced the whole 150 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.679 thing and got people up to speed for a while, and then Nick and 151 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.240 I did a wrap up at the end, and I told people this that 152 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.440 if he's lying, he's fooled me, and because he just just comes across 153 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:18.519 as a very genuine person. And one of the things he says and people 154 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.399 do have to keep this in mind is you know, he probably still has 155 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:31.159 his high level you know clearance. What am I trying to say? But 156 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.240 he can't he can't divulge a lot of things. I mean, there are 157 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:41.039 some things that he just are still top secret that he knows that he absolutely 158 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:46.320 cannot talk about and I think that's where some people get frustrated. Well, 159 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.159 just like Nick Pope is the same. There are times where Nick Pope says, 160 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.480 I can't answer that question. And you know, in particular, I 161 00:12:54.519 --> 00:13:00.360 remember he won't talk about like the Queen and whether he's briefed her or hurt, 162 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.960 or the royal family and their interests, because that's a topic I love 163 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.519 to write about, and of course we've got a lot on that at Openminds 164 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:11.919 dot TV. But yeah, he's like that, but so is like so 165 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.840 are others like John Alexander. And of course these people get accused of being 166 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.159 liars, like disinformation is working for the government, which is kind of said, 167 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.799 just because you worked in the military or worked in defense, you know 168 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.000 you're you're a liar. You can't have an interest in this stuff. I 169 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:33.639 think my listeners are not the type that go down that road so much. 170 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:39.600 But Lew himself even says, you know, you'll hear him talks about, 171 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.279 you know, the importance of being skeptical. You know, he knows a 172 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.480 lot. Like I just said, he knows a lot that he can't talk 173 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:52.200 about. But what he does say is, I know UFO is a real 174 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:58.000 you know, and just coming from someone that had a government position that is 175 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:03.639 researching UFOs based for that, I mean that that's kind of monumental in a 176 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:05.320 way. It is, it really is, you're right. I mean, 177 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:11.360 just that he says that there is a program and the program continues is monumental. 178 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.039 It's a really important, really amazing step. And you know a lot 179 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:22.559 of people think, you know, the program stopped in twenty twelve. I 180 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.679 think that's when they say it was, but it actually continues. It's just 181 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.559 a different type of funding. Yeah, and that's where you know, people 182 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.480 just know about the funding, the twenty two million for the five years, 183 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:39.639 but they're you know, the government's always been very well i'll say crafty at 184 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.200 funding certain projects. And that's what's funny. In this interview you'll hear lou 185 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:48.759 Elizondo speaking about that. But that is also one of the things. If 186 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.039 you go to the video, remember, you know, I encourage people please 187 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.960 do go to our video on demand. You know, we don't charge for 188 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.399 people to listen to our podcast or much, but we do charge a slight 189 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:09.200 monthly fee to go to our UFO Congress video on demand and you can see 190 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:15.159 little literally hundreds of videos there and I do have up right now the Lou 191 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:20.759 Elizondo video, so you could see my introduction and Nick Pope and I discussing 192 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.320 afterwards. But Nick Pope talks to that point, how can you run a 193 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.559 program with no money? And he Lou talks about it, I think very 194 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.919 clearly, and then Nick Pope backs him up and exactly this is how we 195 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.440 did think some and so you hear more about that coming up. Yeah. 196 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:43.120 Yeah, it's too bad he couldn't make it to the con I mean, 197 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:46.919 he really wanted to be there. It's just the scheduling issues. You know, 198 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.080 it's too bad. But I thought the video was very well done and 199 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.200 it was you know, it didn't feel like anything that was edited. It 200 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.320 just felt like he was just talking, which was really good. Yeah, 201 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:06.919 just answering the questions as best he could. Yeah. Well, I also 202 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.840 really enjoyed at the Congress. I really enjoyed the Travis Walton segment. Oh 203 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.720 that was and so many more. But I mean that was really special. 204 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.720 Exactly, that really was. I agree with you. I mean to have 205 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:25.759 the police officer who was unseen, and what was great is he was him 206 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:30.480 and Travis's brother were so good. I mean when they came on. They 207 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:37.480 they talked about their experience and their side of things each and they were so 208 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.960 thorough in the way that they did it, and they had funny stories, 209 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:48.360 emotional stories. They were absolutely incredible. That was a great presentation. I 210 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.720 loved them. I have to say that was my favorite. Really, Yeah, 211 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:59.039 that was really good. Luis Alizondo was amazing, but that was definitely 212 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:03.119 my favorite. Yeah, that's good. There were so many other great speakers. 213 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.400 I mean, you know, what was fun sorry, just one more 214 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:08.920 thing on the Travis thing. What was really fun too, and it was 215 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:17.720 really off the cuff was Karen because you know, my listeners heard Karen talk 216 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:23.759 about how she discovered you know, the police officer Chuck Ellison and and what 217 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.519 you know those people had to say, but which was really cool stuff. 218 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.079 So the listeners already had insight on that. But during the talk, you 219 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.039 know, I was thinking, oh, Karen really needs to share this, 220 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.759 So I was tweeting her and trying to get her in the room. So 221 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:42.519 I did get her in the room, and then when we opened up the 222 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.279 questions and answers were able to get her on the mic, and then she 223 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:53.720 actually read the email from Gillespie the sheriff and that was really cool. And 224 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.200 as she revealed on the show, you know, a few weeks ago, 225 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:02.599 the sheriff shared with her, at least his wife, that he believed Walton 226 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.880 and the guys. He believed that they were not lying, that they experienced 227 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:11.359 something, which is essentially what Chuck Ellison said. So this is straight from 228 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.640 their mouths. So you know, all of those skeptics out there who are 229 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:21.200 making up all of these different scenarios of Travis Lygon saying that the sheriff had 230 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.000 busted him, that was, at least from what we were told, not 231 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.799 true from what they conveyed to Karen just before he passed away, you know, 232 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.319 right, he that was believe this stuff. That was who played James 233 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:40.000 Gardner played his yes, yeah, and firing this guy. I had a 234 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.960 dinner at the one of the dinners, had a conversation with Chuck Ellison and 235 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.359 you know, just just chatting, and he said, you know, we 236 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.799 had to we had to think that Travis was buried in one of the brush 237 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.119 piles they were going to burn. We had to think. He said, 238 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:59.599 It's not what I wanted to think, but he says, as a police 239 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.319 officer or I had to be responsible and think that way. You know, 240 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:08.200 when this crazy story, you know, came out, he says, you 241 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.279 know, the first thing he noticed is that they were all like stomping around 242 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.160 and crying. You know, a lot of them were crying, and then 243 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:18.920 they were really a wreck. Yeah. No, so yeah, it was 244 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.920 really really an amazing That was again, that was really good. You were 245 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.440 going to say something else. I think you were going to move to another 246 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:33.079 talk before I stopped you. Well, I know Dean Haliotto. However, 247 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.279 you say that he was such a character, What a funny guy he was. 248 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.039 He was really good. Yeah, he was great. And what was 249 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.720 some of your other favorite I know, unfortunately I miss Bryce Zabel's talk, 250 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:51.640 but I've heard a lot of people talking about it. Mm hmm. Yeah, 251 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:56.400 there were a lot of other great talks. I you know, I 252 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:02.880 would say Stephen Bassett and Linda Howe and Bill Burns, who were some of 253 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:08.920 our headliners, were fun. And the reason I say fun is that and 254 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:15.400 interesting. But they do a lot of connecting the dots, and uh, 255 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:26.440 that means making assumptions and speculating and and and so that's what makes that interesting. 256 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:30.640 But I really loved the hard stuff you know, like whether Elizondo was 257 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:37.240 short sharing or the Walton stuff too. Michael Carter was a lot of fun 258 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:41.119 because he's just a neat guy and an inspirational guy. And this is one 259 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.799 what was interesting because he didn't have a lot of necessarily content UFO wise, 260 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:49.119 but he still did really well and people he was one of the most popular 261 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:53.119 talks just because you know, my listeners will know because I have him on 262 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:57.119 the show for the same reason. He's just so inspirational and it makes you 263 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:02.559 feel good. But all of these people did a great job. I mean, 264 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:07.759 they were flawless in their presentations. Bassett's going to be doing a documentary. 265 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.680 You know, he's really excited about about Rockefellers, so people should go 266 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.799 to a site if you want to help him out with that. But people 267 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:23.240 really loved Susie Hansen. She got probably the biggest applause. Yeah, and 268 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:27.519 there were a couple other standing ovations. But sometimes the speakers will kind of 269 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:33.079 wait for it and then people stand up, and that happened. But she 270 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.480 wasn't even really soliciting it or expecting it, and just as soon as she 271 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.480 was done, people were on their feet. And that was really interesting because 272 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:48.039 she's of course an abduction researcher with her ideas about how all of this contact 273 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:52.359 stuff has happened. So that was really nice to see. Of course, 274 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.880 we brought her all the way from New Zealand and it was a local move 275 00:21:56.920 --> 00:22:02.920 on Stacy Wright especially and some of the other local move on people who had 276 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.079 said she was amazing and people did love her, so I don't know there 277 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:11.119 were a lot of really, I think they were all good. I personally 278 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:18.079 did not feel that there was were any duds. I agree this year sometimes 279 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:21.640 there are, but I didn't feel that way this year. Alice Druffle, 280 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:26.960 what a classy woman. She was talking about her mother Anne Ruffle and James 281 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:32.119 McDonald. Yeah that was great because you know, having grown up with this 282 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:34.480 stuff with her mother. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. And 283 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:40.480 we gave her mother the Lifetime Achievement Award. And nobody knows this, I 284 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.039 guess outside the conference really yet and because we haven't posted much and maybe she 285 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.440 did. But Cheryl Costa also did a great job and she was awarded the 286 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:53.200 Researcher of the Year award. I think the listeners would know why because I 287 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:57.119 refer to her and what she's done quite a bit. But we'll have our 288 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:03.079 videos on these words up soon as well, so you can hear the justification. 289 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:08.119 And I think that people understood why she received the award. I think 290 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:14.880 each of them once they saw the videos. Yes. Yeah, And someone 291 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:18.119 was asking where they can ask me just today where they can actually buy these 292 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:23.599 tvds they're on? Which website? Are they on? UFO Congress dot com, 293 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:29.640 So, UFO Congress dot comments where you can buy the video videos soon. 294 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:32.680 We don't have them up there yet, but we will in the next 295 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:37.759 couple of days. And then our new UFO Congress I ask everybody please go 296 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:42.279 subscribe to our new UFO Congress YouTube because we created a new one. That's 297 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:48.200 where you'll find the Alessando video. But we'll also be posting all of this 298 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:55.680 stuff, these clips on that YouTube site, so if you subscribe, you'll 299 00:23:55.720 --> 00:24:00.559 be notified immediately when we upload those excellent Okay, so that's where you posted 300 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:07.680 the new I did see that video posted today, the Alizondo one, and 301 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:10.599 I'm that's going to get a lot of a lot of views for sure. 302 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.720 Yeah, it already has, but it looks like we're out of time, 303 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.279 it does, doesn't it. Yeah, So thank you for so much for 304 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.799 helping. You were awesome Martin at the conference. You really did do a 305 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:27.240 great job. Of course, everybody check Martin out at Podcast UFO. We're 306 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:30.559 going to take a short break and we'll be back with the Elizondo interview. 307 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:34.279 If you're listening to kg r A, you'll hear some commercials. If you're 308 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:40.880 listening to podcasts, there'll be a short musical interlude and will return shortly. 309 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.279 Thank you very much, Martin, You're very welcome, and talk to you 310 00:24:45.319 --> 00:25:19.079 next week. Well, we have a special treat for everybody today and that 311 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:26.400 is this exclusive interview we've got with Luis Elisondo that he did for the International 312 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:33.160 UFO Congress. How this really came about is that I was luckily available to 313 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.680 get a hold of Louise. He said that he wanted He was enthusiastic and 314 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.400 excited about coming to the Congress and doing a talk and meeting people and answering 315 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:47.720 all the questions he could, but then he had this medical procedure to do 316 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:52.160 that got rescheduled so he couldn't make it. Then he said, okay, 317 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.079 well you know, Karen and I could fly out there and interview him, 318 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:00.880 but that didn't work out, so luckily he was going to be in California 319 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:06.880 visiting Tom DeLong and some of the other To the Stars people, and so 320 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:08.839 they said, you know, we'll do the interview, send us questions from 321 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:14.960 your listeners, and we'll do our best to answer those questions. We'll edit 322 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.319 that together and get that to you by the converse. And they did, 323 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.759 and so it turned out excellent. He answered a bunch of really great questions, 324 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:26.319 so some of these might be yours, so very excited about this. 325 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:32.160 Of course, we have the video up on YouTube, but for you podcast 326 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.160 listeners, I know some of you don't have a lot of time and so 327 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.799 you can't go to YouTube to watch the whole thing. So I thought you 328 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.200 would enjoy to hear it here on the podcast. It's always kind of a 329 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.640 fun way to get this information. We are going to do a follow up 330 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.960 interview in a month or so, and I'm sure we'll have Alizondo live on 331 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.920 this podcast in a not too distant future, which is going to be really 332 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:57.799 exciting. But you know what, there's so much to unpack with all of 333 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:03.000 this information that it's not that bad really to get this information in bits, 334 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.839 so we can understand it. We can come up with better questions when we 335 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.400 do the interviews. It was also a lot of fun at the conference. 336 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:15.680 Now you can go to our video on demand. Go to ufocongress dot com. 337 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.839 You'll see a big advertisement and a link to the video on demand and 338 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:26.119 you can watch the entire Elezondo presentation. Because I went over how this all 339 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.920 came about. You know, how we gave Tom DeLong you know, that 340 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:37.000 award last year, and then how in October they released the To the Stars 341 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:42.440 Group, which we've referred to to as the TTSA. And then and then 342 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.640 how you know, as a part of that, you all heard me talk 343 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.319 with Leslie Kane about you know, how important that news was, but it 344 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.400 didn't seem like people were paying attention. And then you heard my follow up 345 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:57.039 interview with Leslie Kane just recently about the New York Times article that broke in 346 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:03.119 December that just made huge, huge news about this a TIP program. That's 347 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:10.079 what we're calling it, because the acronym is the Advanced Aero Threat Identification Program, 348 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:15.839 which is essentially looking for UFOs and Elizander confirm that the Department of Defense 349 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.759 to confirm that this group exists that you know, they worked with Robert Bigelow 350 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:26.160 to investigate UFOs. A couple of cases, of course, have been released. 351 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.960 We've talked about a lot of this. So we asked Lou some of 352 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:37.880 the important questions. Now what they did is someone off screen read the questions 353 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.000 to him and he answered them, but they edited out the questions and they 354 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.319 put these slates in there so you could read the question. It's just a 355 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.599 but of course an audio that doesn't work. So what we've done here is 356 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:56.720 I have edited I've said, asked the questions, and I'm editing in here 357 00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:00.359 the questions so you can hear them, and then you'll hear ELO's response. 358 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:07.200 So that's how this is set up. Also the beginning, he actually had 359 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:14.160 a statement he said at the end that he made for the people at the 360 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.799 conference, but when they edited the video together, they actually took that statement 361 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.720 and put it at the beginning. So what you're going to hear first is 362 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:30.400 Lou making this statement and then getting into the questions. Let's see any other 363 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.240 things you need to know. Oh yeah, this is cool info and this 364 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.400 will be kind of exclusive for you. Really, is that at that presentation 365 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:42.079 at the UFO Congress that I talked about where I went over everything up until 366 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:47.880 the and then we played the ale Asondo interview. I also did a follow 367 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.240 up. After we played the interview, we had Nick Pope on stage, 368 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.960 and of course that's important because really, as I feel, is ele Axondo's 369 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.920 kind of our Nick Pope of the US. Nick Pope of course worked for 370 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:06.960 the Ministry of Defense in the UK investigating UFOs and he had some really great 371 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.880 insight that he shared after we watched the video. You can see that on 372 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:19.640 the full presentation of the Alexando video from the UFO Congress. So I do 373 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.880 implore you, you know, it's only five ninety nine to go register to 374 00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:29.240 the video on demand and you've got hundreds of videos. You've got this entire 375 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:33.960 Alezando presentation also, and we'll be releasing very quickly all the rest of the 376 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:41.000 twenty eighteen DVDs, including Martin's favorite Travis Walton. We'll have that up hopefully 377 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.319 in just the next couple of days here, so really good stuff. Check 378 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:49.799 out our video on demand. Without further ado, let's listen to this interview 379 00:30:51.359 --> 00:31:03.599 with Louise Eleisondo. Pursuit of the truth is the fundamental endeavor of mankind. 380 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:11.880 The truth, whether it's for knowledge, enlightenment, or even love, the 381 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:17.039 truth is the only thing that allows us to ensure our asthmuth remains true and 382 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:22.720 our destination assured. It is my experience that the success of any journey relies 383 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:27.559 on the people who are along for the trip. As with every expedition, 384 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:34.920 each person plays a critical role and serves a purpose on that trip. And 385 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:42.400 yes, that includes healthy skepticism and even dissenting views and opinions. Only with 386 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:48.240 all views and voice is heard will we be able to plot a course that 387 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:55.559 represents the best chance of our success for reaching far off shores. So I 388 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:00.319 say to you here and now, let's not be afraid to ask the hard 389 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:07.319 questions or challenge the words of our experts. Let's not be shy to own 390 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:15.519 our passion and push the boundaries of our horizon. In conclusion, thank you 391 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.519 for your courage and your time and your audience. Today. You are the 392 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:29.359 true heroes and the ones who deserve awards. Thank you again. How did 393 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:37.079 you first get involved with a TIP? My first involvement with the Advanced Aerospace 394 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:42.759 Threat Identification Program began back in two thousand and eight. The former program manager 395 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:46.880 at the time was looking for somebody to provide dedicated counter intelligence support to the 396 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:52.839 effort, which I wasn't aware of at the time, And so in two 397 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.640 thousand and eight, a couple folks came to my office and they asked to 398 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.759 have a conversation with me. And usually, as a fed in our line 399 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.880 of work, when strange people come to your door and they want to talk 400 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.000 to you, it's usually not a good thing. In this particular case, 401 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:12.279 we had several meetings. They asked me a little bit about my background, 402 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.359 and after the third meeting, I was introduced to the program manager and at 403 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.680 that point it became apparent to me why they were asking me the questions they 404 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.440 were asking me, And so in two thousand and eight I was asked to 405 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:27.559 come on board. I did, and I worked for the former program manager 406 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.640 at the time, and in twenty ten, upon his departure, I was 407 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:37.200 asked to take over the program formerly as the director. Did you work with 408 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:43.920 Bigelow? If so, what was that like. My personal experience with mister 409 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:50.200 Bigelow has been nothing but unbelievable, a complete privilege and honor to work with 410 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:55.839 such a titanic force in the aerospace industry. Mister Bigelow is not only a 411 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:04.240 commensurate professional, he is also a true gentleman. I found working with mister 412 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:09.000 Bigelow's folks, all his folks, to be extremely rewarding. These individuals are 413 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:15.000 truly some of the best of the best that we have working in areas that 414 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:21.440 very few individuals have really any understanding of the complexity involved. You're talking about 415 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:28.719 putting space vehicles in orbit around Earth and potentially run the Moon. So anytime 416 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.440 you have an opportunity to work with individuals like that, it's always a privilege 417 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:40.440 in an honor. Where did a tip receive its cases from? A tip 418 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:46.079 received his cases from various different channels. So where our office sat at the 419 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:51.760 top of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, we had multiple avenues of 420 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.400 approach, so you had in some cases reporting would come up through Navy channels 421 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.920 and other cases it would come up through Air Force channels, and other cases 422 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.119 that come through the intelligence community. And as as the single focal point, 423 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.519 if you will, for this capability, all roads, I guess lead to 424 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:12.159 Rome. In this particular case, all roads led to our office. Regarding 425 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:20.760 the phenomena, how did a tip continue without funding after twenty twelve, so 426 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:25.119 a tip did continue continued in earnest. After twenty twelve, an additional tranche 427 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.760 of funding was provided to our organization. Unfortunately, the congressional verbiage was a 428 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:37.679 little bit vague, and so the funding was diverted to another office. But 429 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.360 the funding was intended for US, so it was supposed to go from twenty 430 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.400 thirteen to twenty fourteen. And then at that point fiscal constraints became increasingly tight 431 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.840 within the department and we were forced to do more with less, or in 432 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:55.079 some cases, more with nothing. So we very quickly continued our efforts and 433 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.679 we started to dual use a lot of what we were doing. So, 434 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:07.000 as an example, one may be interested in putting out a requirement looking for 435 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.880 let's say, advanced ICBM technology, right, So you would go out and 436 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.280 you would ask folks, I want you to be able to give me a 437 00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:23.280 paper that helps me understand anything coming into Earth's orbit with these particular profiles, 438 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.800 so you know, hypersonic velocities, lobs of ability, et cetera, and 439 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:36.239 what might be useful for let's say, identifying North Korean ICBM missiles coming into 440 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:40.920 continental United States could also be useful. Then identifying other objects, things that 441 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.840 are coming in with that same flight pattern, but not necessarily a ballistic missile. 442 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.800 So we got very clever at dual using, and the reporting continue to 443 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.519 come in through our office, and quite frankly, the program ever went away. 444 00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.960 So we just became very clever, as everybody else in the department of 445 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:07.320 having to manage our resources I think in an increasingly constrictive way that still allowed 446 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.719 us to obtain the data we're trying to obtain, but in the same respect 447 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:20.239 not require additional resources to come in for new projects. So I guess in 448 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:27.639 short, in lay terms, we got very clever at managing our money and 449 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.000 our time and our resources. We learned to confederate a lot more so, 450 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:37.199 rather than us shouldering the burden of everything, we learned to leverage our partners 451 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:42.119 in the intelligence community and within the services to help us do a lot of 452 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.159 the functions that we were trying to do in house. How were the videos 453 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:51.519 released? Was it under false pretense or a trick as a Washington Post suggests. 454 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.360 No, there was no trick and there was no false pretense. The 455 00:37:54.440 --> 00:38:01.599 videos were released in accordance with the strict manner that Dood prescribes to DoD manuals 456 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.519 and regulations involving the release of information. It went through the official Dopster process, 457 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:13.320 and then furthermore, an additional step was taken to have the videos reviewed 458 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.000 by foreign disclosure representatives, in fact, the most senior foreign disclosure representatives in 459 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:23.119 the department, and ultimately required OCA or Original Classification Authority approval and review to 460 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.639 release the video. So, in essence, I didn't release anything. The 461 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.079 Department of Defense released those videos. The documentation is held by the Department of 462 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:38.079 Defense, and the justification for releasing those videos were exactly as stated, and 463 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:43.480 that was to create an unclassified database people could then access and try to help 464 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:49.559 us identify the signatures we were seeing. Will we ever get more information about 465 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:57.239 the gimbal video? I suspect we will always get more information as people with 466 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:04.320 additional expertise and and experience and backgrounds continue to look at the videos and not 467 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:08.440 just getable I think any in all videos, we will begin to put together 468 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.800 more pieces of the puzzle. There are experts I would submit now that are 469 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.920 out there, perhaps within this audience that was watching this video now, that 470 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.679 have the ability to look at some of these videos and help us have a 471 00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:24.320 better understanding of what it exactly we're looking at. I think it's important to 472 00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:35.719 understand that what people chalk up as atmospheric can anomalies or flear phenomena resulting from 473 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:40.920 infrared glare. I think it's important that the audience understand that we already have 474 00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.559 the equipment when we are when this information is being collected, we can already 475 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:51.800 ascertain very very quickly whether or not this is infrared glare, heat glare, 476 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.960 or an atmospheric disturbance. I think it's important to know that you can't get 477 00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.400 a radar lock on atmospheric disturbance. I think it's important to recognize we have 478 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:07.199 already the technology that will tell us very very quickly if something is simply flear 479 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:15.360 fuss or ir haze, if you will. So these things are are certainly 480 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:21.000 beyond our understanding at this point, but it is not, as some have 481 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:30.599 stated, just some sort of atmospheric anomaly or reflection that we're seeing. Why 482 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.679 are the videos so short and why do we not have more information about them? 483 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:39.119 So videos can be short for many reasons, just like audio or anything 484 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:44.519 else. Keeping in mind, there's a legal requirement to protect sources of method 485 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:49.840 within the US government and classified information and even some unclassified information that remains sensitive. 486 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.719 So it is important note that if someone is looking at a video, 487 00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:58.880 it is highly probable that the portion you're watching is what has been cleared for 488 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:04.599 public dissemination and release, But there may be portions of audio following that immediately 489 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.480 following that clip that gets into classified sources and methods. Perhaps it starts talking 490 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:15.840 about the operating AOAR at the time that the film was taken, or by 491 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:21.679 precise capabilities and technologies that the US government would want to understandably want to protect. 492 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:27.880 So a lot of these these videos and audios and things that people are 493 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:34.320 seeing are short because of the fact that it's quite possible that the government's protecting 494 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.280 sources and methods. Plain and simple, how did you discover to the Star's 495 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:43.760 Academy and didn't have anything to do with your decision to leave the Department of 496 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.960 Defense. My decision to leave the US government was before I ever knew anything 497 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.639 about to the Star's Academy of Arts and Science. My initial plan was to 498 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.679 frankly fade off into the sunset, take a job working something that I could 499 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:02.480 enjoy that was completely unrelated to the US government and if you will, like 500 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.119 I said, fade off into the sunset. It was actually the Two of 501 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.800 the Stars Academy of Arts and Science that found me through some colleagues of mine 502 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.519 in the intelligence community, once they found out that I was leaving, had 503 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:20.960 suggested that maybe I should talk to some of the folks to the Stars who 504 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.159 were interested in talking to me. Do you think the story of the pilots 505 00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:30.280 and the aviation threat program has sunk in enough with the masses? I can't 506 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:35.639 answer on behalf of the masses, I sure hope. So sad to say 507 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:39.000 that I've been doing this for long enough where we have a lot of compelling 508 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:45.840 information and data and documentation, eyewitness testimony, and there is still, for 509 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:54.400 some reason, this hesitation, this blockage that prevents people from having an open 510 00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:00.679 and honest dialogue and conversation at about the phenomena. And I think, from 511 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:05.199 my perspective that's actually more troubling than the phenomena itself. How can I best 512 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.840 bring up the UFO subject without being scoffed at? And what is the best 513 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:13.519 way to get non believers to take it serious? One short statement, The 514 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.599 best way to not get scoffed at and ridiculed is not to have the conversation. 515 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:24.199 Sadly enough, that's the truth. However, cowardice will never get us 516 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.719 where we need to go, so we have to have a conversation. I 517 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.039 think the best way to have the conversation is having it where we allow the 518 00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:38.360 science and the data to speak for itself. Opinion, suppositions, things of 519 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.719 that nature aren't overly helpful. In the end, it doesn't matter what me 520 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:49.239 luis alesondo things. What matters what the data says, and then you formulate 521 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.119 your own opinion. And I think that is the strength and when we're using 522 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:58.639 the scientific method, it is imperative that we strictly adhere to those rules because 523 00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.679 ultimately, in the end, the data going to speak for itself and it 524 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.239 doesn't really matter what I think. What matters is what you think based upon 525 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.599 the data. So the easiest way to have the conversation let the data speak 526 00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.519 for itself. Sometimes data, as you know, the truth. Sometimes she 527 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.559 whispers, and sometimes you have to really listen hard. But if you listen 528 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.480 carefully, you can hear what she has to say. And that was my 529 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:30.480 job for the last ten years. Were you previously subject to a non disclosure 530 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:32.840 order and have you been released from it? First of all, I was 531 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.280 never released from any non disclosure agreement with between me and the US government. 532 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.320 In fact, I still maintain a security clearance, or at least I think 533 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:45.440 I do, and so I'm obligated to protect classified information at which point until 534 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:52.440 the information becomes unclassified or I die. So I have not been released from 535 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.599 any non disclosure agreement, and I am legally bound by those and so that's 536 00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:01.760 why sometimes when I ask questions what may come across as being vague or in 537 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.079 general terms, a bit evasive, it's not on purpose. The problem is 538 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.400 I'm legally bound to protect that information, and so, in short, no, 539 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:15.599 I haven't been relieved of that obligation at all. Is it possible that 540 00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.880 the evidence and analysis for each case will be made available to scientists like us. 541 00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.000 I think it's more than a possibility. I think it's an imperative that 542 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:31.079 conversation needs to occur between the American people and our lawmakers, and if the 543 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:36.840 American people insist on it, then it'll happen. I think it's a matter 544 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.639 of time. I'm not sure we can put at this point the cat back 545 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.400 in the bag. I think the conversation has already been started, and I 546 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:52.400 think it's inevitable at least that's my hope. What are your day to day 547 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:59.639 activities and involvement at to the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences. Well, 548 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:04.559 I was hired to be the director of Security, Global Security and Special Programs, 549 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.440 So right now, it's pretty simple. My job is to protect people, 550 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:14.480 places and things, so as any any person in the security realm is 551 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.199 aware of that's it's it's pretty basic function. I think is very important. 552 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.639 Keeping in mind that this is not just a function where we were worried about 553 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:29.800 traditional acts of crime, someone's stealing something or something like that. Uh, 554 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:37.199 there is potentially some counter intelligence perspective to this. Uh there is, there's 555 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:43.719 there's personnel, security, there are there there's a whole whole spectrum of issues 556 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.400 and things that we need to I think we need to keep a handle on. 557 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.519 Especially if this company is going to grow, which hopefully it does. 558 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.800 We those equities that the company have will will have to continue to be be 559 00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:01.119 protected. What would you say to those who are skeptical because of your intelligence 560 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:07.960 background and suspect that you are spreading disinformation and falsehood mixed with some truth, 561 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:13.320 I would say, remain skeptical. Healthy skepticism is very important, in fact, 562 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.079 it's imperative. In fact, in my job as an intelligence officer, 563 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:20.360 I was paid to be skeptical. I think you should always question all the 564 00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.199 information that comes before you by anybody who says anything. And I think that's 565 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.599 true, not just with people like me. I think it's true with government, 566 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.079 religion, and everything in between. However, in this particular perspective, 567 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.079 I don't really I don't really care if you believe me. That's not my 568 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.840 intent. My intent is for you to listen to the data and look at 569 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.559 the data yourself and allow you to come to that conclusion. In the end, 570 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:50.039 it doesn't matter if you believe me or not. What matters if you 571 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.880 have access to the data, then you can formulate your own opinion. One 572 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.920 thing I've learned long ago as an intelligence officers that I could be absolutely sure 573 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.960 of something, absolutely so of something, and I can still be absolutely wrong. 574 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:07.000 So in the end, those of you who are healthy skeptics remain skeptical. 575 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.599 I think you need to ask a hard questions, continue to push the 576 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:15.320 boundaries, because that's how we find the truth. The truth has nothing to 577 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:20.079 fear. So if you don't believe something, then keep asking the question, 578 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.800 keep doing the research, keep demanding the data, and hopefully you then can 579 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:30.480 come to the same conclusion that some of us came to. Pretty good steph 580 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:35.559 ain't it. So we'll be right back with Louel Azanda. We've got some 581 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:40.960 more stuff to talk about, and then once the interview is over. There 582 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.679 were a couple of questions that I felt were really important that didn't get in 583 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:51.960 the interviews. So afterwards, when I talked to him about the video and 584 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:52.960 how what we got, I said, hey, there were a couple of 585 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.000 questions, you know, one from Nick Pope and one from me that didn't 586 00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.960 get in there that I think are really really important and I wasn't sure if 587 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.519 he would be able to answer them. But I did ask those questions and 588 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:09.760 he was able to answer them, and I think that's some important stuff. 589 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:14.639 So that'll be coming up in just a minute after this break and after the 590 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.719 interview here, but it is time to take a break. If you're listening 591 00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:22.679 to kg R, you'll hear a short break, some commercials, and if 592 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:27.400 you're listening to the podcast, you'll hear a short musical interlude and we'll be 593 00:49:27.519 --> 00:50:19.400 back momentarily. We are back. You're listening to Open Minds UFO Radio. 594 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.280 I'm your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we are listening to a pre recorded 595 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:30.840 interview exclusive for the UFO Congress of Luise Eleisondo. So let's get back into 596 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.239 it. Why do you think these crafts are likely extraterrestrial and not from another 597 00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.719 country that has discovered more advanced physics. So let's look at the term extraterrestrial. 598 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:46.480 I don't like to use that term very much, but in a definitive 599 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.880 way. When you look at the definition of extraterrestrial, it just means beyond 600 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:58.519 terraforma terraforma beyond terrestrial, beyond beyond this this thing that we call Earth. 601 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.840 The question is do they come from outer space, innerspace or the space in 602 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:08.599 between. I don't know. I have my own personal opinions about it, 603 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:14.920 but it would be very misleading to give you those opinions because in the end, 604 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.960 we don't have enough data. It would be great if we could point 605 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:21.559 a figure and say, ah, it was a Russians, or the Chinese 606 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.159 or someone else. The problem is that the data that we're seeing, we've 607 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:30.800 been seeing for a while and it's so advanced that by now it is hard 608 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:38.239 enough for us now to replicate our observations with our understanding of quantum mechanics. 609 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:44.920 But for this type of technology to be available when we first started seeing it, 610 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:50.599 I think is beyond improbable. I'm not going to say impossible, but 611 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:55.039 it is really, really, really unlikely. So that leads then to the 612 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.719 next question. Well, if it's not ours and it's not theirs, then 613 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.800 whose is it? I don't know as it is. That's why we're asking 614 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.280 the hard questions. That's why we did what we did for the last ten 615 00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.360 years, and why we need to continue doing what we're doing, because we 616 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:12.079 need to ask those questions. We don't know whose they belong to, We 617 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.679 don't know who they are or what they are, but we know that they're 618 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:21.000 real. So I would submit to you that because of that, we need 619 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.960 to continue to explore. We need to continue asking the hard questions. Why 620 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:29.800 is the running time of the two released videos Nimit and gimbal so short? 621 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:35.519 Was their additional footage captured? It's important to know that the US government has 622 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.199 a responsibility to protect classified information A sense of information to include sources of methods. 623 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:46.360 My law so oftentimes when you see information before you, you are looking 624 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:52.480 at a snapshot in time under a very particular set of circumstances. Keeping in 625 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.079 mind, the information that may have come before that or after that could be 626 00:52:55.159 --> 00:53:00.159 very classified. It could discuss things, for example, of who took the 627 00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:04.400 footage, or under what circumstances were they in combat? Was it in peace 628 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.880 time? Was it an exercise. Things that would give away are what we 629 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:12.440 call tactics, techniques, and procedures TTP and Department of Defense and in the 630 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:16.280 intelligence community. So to protect that information from getting in the wrong hands, 631 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:22.519 what you are seeing is information that has been deemed deemed by the Department to 632 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:27.559 be unclassified, and that way everybody can look at it. What comes before 633 00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:29.880 that or after that, I can't. I can't discuss that. I'm not 634 00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:34.199 at liberty to discuss that because frankly, that's the government's call to make that 635 00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:38.719 determination of mind. Regarding the Gimbo video, do you know anything about the 636 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:46.119 chain of custody documentation? The chain of custody documentation is the province of the 637 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:52.679 Department of Defense. I think it is it is. If anybody wanted to 638 00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:54.719 see it, it would be up to the Department Department of Defense to release 639 00:53:54.760 --> 00:54:00.039 it. It is a DoD form, it is not classified, so but 640 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:05.000 unfortunately, as a DoD form, you have to go through DoD to ask 641 00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:09.079 for a copy of it. What are the possibilities of additional releases of information 642 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:15.519 from these incidents? Are you still working to release additional information? How can 643 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:19.199 we help? Now that I'm in the private sector, my intent is to 644 00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:23.039 push the envelope as hard and as fast as I can. I know what 645 00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:30.159 I've been privy to, and I think we need to have the information available 646 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:37.079 so the American people can have the discussion amongst themselves and with our lawmakers and 647 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.800 then make a determination if it should be a national security imperative. That shouldn't 648 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:43.599 be a decision that I make. That should be a decision that you make, 649 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.280 and then you tell your leadership what you want them to do, and 650 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:51.480 then your government does that. Is there any reason to believe UAPs may be 651 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:57.199 dangerous? Have there been any incident where UAPs were aggressive or defensive in a 652 00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:02.239 way that could cause harm? No outward aggression. But please allow me a 653 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:08.400 moment to provide you a very rudimentary analogy. I've used it before, but 654 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:14.639 I think it's fitting. So I think most people, not all, but 655 00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:19.800 most people would agree that locking your front door is probably a good idea to 656 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.639 do before you go to bed at night. So most people do. And 657 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:24.159 it's not that they expect something bad to happen, but we do it as 658 00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:29.280 a precaution. And so imagine every night, now you lock your front door. 659 00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.159 You go ahead and you secure your windows, and you lock your windows, 660 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.800 and then right before you go to bed, you go to your keypad, 661 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.800 you punch in your keypad, and now your house the alarm is armed 662 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.920 and everything is secure. But for some reason, every morning you wake up, 663 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.639 you go downstairs and have your coffee. You look in your living room 664 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:50.840 and there's muddy boot prints in your living room and they're not your boot prints. 665 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.840 Now, nothing's been taken from your house, no one's been injured or 666 00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:59.480 harm, and nothing is out of place. And yet here you go every 667 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.679 night, lock your front doors, you secure your windows, and you turn 668 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.760 on your alarm. And yet still these muddy bootprints continue to show up day 669 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.679 after day. So the question is how do they get there? The question 670 00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:17.119 is is it a threat? Well, I think you have to presume it 671 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:21.360 could be a threat until you sure it's not a threat. And that was 672 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.719 my job when I was in the Department of Defense was to make sure things 673 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.079 were not a threat. And until I could prove they were not, had 674 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.280 to make the presumption that they could be. Given the history of misinformation, 675 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:37.079 disinformation, lies, concealment omissions, and other cover ups in the past. 676 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:43.159 Regarding the subject, what gives you and your associates more credent compared to the 677 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.639 past talking heads to give us faith? Well, I think in the past 678 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:47.599 we you had just said, you have talking heads. You have people that 679 00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:52.280 have political motivations for one reason or another. Some of them had political allegiances. 680 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:57.480 My organization when I was in Department of Defense were a political We didn't 681 00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.840 care if you're a Democrat, Republican, independent, or anything in between. 682 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.760 Our job, our loyalty, was to the American people. That's who we 683 00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:08.400 took an oath to defend. Keeping in mind, all of us, whether 684 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:13.559 military or national security, took an oath to defend this country from all enemies, 685 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:16.199 foreign and domestic. And that's exactly what we did. And to this 686 00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:20.639 point, even after I left government, I've never been officially relieved of that 687 00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:25.159 responsibility. So is this some massive effort for misinformation. If it is, 688 00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:32.199 it's probably the worst effort to do so, because there would be holes all 689 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:38.360 in it. I thinks for my motivation to come out, I gave everything 690 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:42.480 to do this. I gave up a fantastic job, off at the top 691 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:49.400 of my career, doing very well, financially, had a great four to 692 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:53.360 one K plan, great benefits, pension, everything. It's easy to sit 693 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:59.760 back and armchair quarterback and on a weekend go through blogs and say this or 694 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.639 that, this or that and other things. To give up every single thing 695 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.599 you have going to pursue this in order to have the conversation with the American 696 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.400 people. This, I can tell you was not a financially good decision for 697 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.960 me. It was not a good decision in anything anyway, because I've spent 698 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.960 my entire career living in the shadows. In fact, to some degree, 699 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.119 my survival depended on it coming out in this way. If anybody were to 700 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:24.760 ask for my opinion, I would say, this is the last thing you'd 701 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:29.400 ever want to do. But at the end of the day, I believe 702 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:30.880 in what I'm doing. I believe it is the right thing to do, 703 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.760 and if albeit for nothing for us to have the conversation. At least have 704 00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:39.000 the conversation now where we can do it and you can hold your heads up 705 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:44.400 high and not worried about the social stigma that's attached to this and the labels 706 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:47.079 that have been given to you. Then I think I've accomplished my mission. 707 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:52.599 What articles of evidence can you and your colleagues provide that you are willing to 708 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:58.000 submit for independent scientific review? Oh my goodness, I think I'm going to 709 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:00.199 have to leave that question to some of our smart folks in the organization, 710 00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:04.239 some of our scientists, some of the folks like Steve Justice and how Poot 711 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:08.239 Often some of the folks out there who have probably forgotten more about physics than 712 00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:15.480 I'll ever know. As far as releasing that type of data and those type 713 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:21.159 of theoretical arguments, that's not really my forte. And the problem is if 714 00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:24.159 I tried to pretend to be that person I would I would probably do a 715 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:30.000 terrible job at it. So I'm going to leave that question too far smarter 716 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.440 people than myself, and hopefully they can give you a better answer than I 717 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.920 can. You have said in interviews that a Tip has made significant progress in 718 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:43.320 understanding the advanced physics of UAP. Are you going to share this knowledge freely? 719 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.360 Well, that's what we're trying to do. I think before you share 720 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:50.480 any information, we first need to make sure. We need to ensure the 721 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.719 veracity and the validd information is what it is the last thing you ever want 722 00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:59.639 to do, and you would reinforce the whole misinformation campaign notion if we put 723 00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:05.159 in from prematurely that has not met a rigorous standard of the way we look 724 01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.960 at information, then we would actually be doing a disservice to you and everybody 725 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.039 else. When we were an a tip, we applied the same level of 726 01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.719 rigor to these incidents as investigating these incidents as we would to any other type 727 01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:21.159 of investigation espionage or terrorist of investigation. And I think you need to have 728 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.920 that level of scrutiny when you're doing this type of thing to make sure that 729 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.559 the data is real and it's pure, because what we don't want to do 730 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:35.199 is get into a situation where we either inadvertently or on purpose, mislead anybody. 731 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:39.599 We have to make sure that we preserve the integrity of the information to 732 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.800 the very best of our ability. So sometimes it's not necessarily on the timeline 733 01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.480 we like, but Our hope is to get it out there eventually in a 734 01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:52.920 way that is clear, makes sense, and preserves again the data in a 735 01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:57.400 way that anybody could look at if this was a quarter law and say, 736 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.400 yes, that information has been preserved to the way it should be preserved. 737 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:07.519 What are two or three books on this subject that you think most accurately represent 738 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:12.840 the phenomenon as you currently understand it. Wow, So people are gonna hate 739 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.039 me for answering this way. I have deliberately, for the last ten years 740 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:19.280 not read any books, any blogs, any movies, anything related to UFOs. 741 01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:23.639 I've done that on purpose, not because I don't like anything about it. 742 01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:29.159 It's because, as I understand it from a scientific perspective, and as 743 01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:32.360 an investigator, I want to if you will sequester the jury, I want 744 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:38.199 to preserve the information the best I can, and if that means ensuring I 745 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:44.559 don't have any type of subconscious thought about something, because I may have read 746 01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:47.519 an article where now, all of a sudden, subconsciously there's this idea or 747 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:52.920 notion in my head that will then cloud my judgment of looking at the data 748 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:57.039 that I'm looking at. So in order to prevent myself, protect myself from 749 01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:01.400 even being tempted to have some sort of conclusion before I have the data. 750 01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:07.039 I have purposely steered away from reading books. And it's not that they're not 751 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:09.960 good books and they're not worth reading. I am absolutely certain they are. 752 01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:14.280 Now that I'm out, I plan to do so. But it was critically 753 01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:19.760 important for me to make sure I remain as unbiased and objective as possible while 754 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:23.039 collecting and processing this data with my colleagues, and so for that reason, 755 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:30.480 I avoid it as much as possible trying to read anything that could somehow bias 756 01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:37.920 my my approach. You say not from any nation, but have not used 757 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:45.039 the word alien? Why? Well, because I think alien means a lot 758 01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.880 of things to a lot of different people. You know, we're here in 759 01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.320 San Diego, and right now people are trying to build the wall to keep 760 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:59.079 out aliens. So you know, I hesitate to use aliens because what does 761 01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:04.440 that mean? Alien just simply means something not from here, So by definition, 762 01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:10.320 you know there's a lot of aliens that we have. I prefer to 763 01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:15.000 keep it without labels for that exact reason, because I think we prejudice if 764 01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:21.199 we say aliens, we immediately assume outer space or out there, and when 765 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:23.519 we could be talking about innerspace or as I said before, the space in 766 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:28.159 between the bottom lines. We just don't know, and by putting a label 767 01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:32.519 on something, I think we prematurely prejudice the jury and our objectivity when we're 768 01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:37.679 talking about this subject. So that is why I haven't used the term aliens, 769 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:45.679 because I'm not sure that's even accurate, because we truly don't know what's 770 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.360 behind the wheel, or at least I don't, and so for that reason 771 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.239 I'm not going to speculate. There have been claims that the audio of the 772 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.960 Gimbo video does not seem to be original. Professional pilots on duty would not 773 01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:01.920 use language like dude and broll, so the sentence the winds one hundred knots 774 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:06.400 out of the west would not be pilot jargon. What would you say in 775 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:11.679 response to such claims? I would say these videos have been pulled off of 776 01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:16.400 US government systems, and they are absolutely indeed from pilots on US military platforms 777 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.360 and capabilities. I will tell you, in stressful situation, whether it's a 778 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:27.159 combat situation or not, sometimes radio discipline it goes out the window. I've 779 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:32.119 been guilty of it myself. Stress does things to individuals, it does different 780 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:36.800 things. I think if one were to ask Commander frav or any of his 781 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:40.880 colleagues if they ever talked like that, they'd probably tell you, yes, 782 01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.079 I'm not going to answer on their behalf, but they will absolutely talk like 783 01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:51.000 that. And that's just, unfortunately the way sometimes stress we react to it 784 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:58.920 as human beings. Your background includes microbiology, immunology, and parasiteology, with 785 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:03.639 research experience in tropical diseases. Where did you study these subjects and for what 786 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:12.119 purpose? I attended the University of Miami, probably spent less time studying than 787 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:18.840 I should have, but I realized very quickly after, after nearing the end 788 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:25.519 of my education there, that I wanted to serve my country, and I 789 01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:27.679 wanted to serve my country in a way that I could use some of my 790 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:32.639 education in microbiology, I meanology, and parasitology in a productive way. So 791 01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:40.119 I joined the United States Army and the best decision in my life, hardest 792 01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.679 decision of my life, but the best decision, and I quickly realized. 793 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.800 Initially I wanted to go in and do some sort of biomedical intelligence, perhaps 794 01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:53.599 maybe dealing with WMD. But after I came into the Army, I realized 795 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:57.119 that my true passion light in the intelligence discipline ri at large. It was 796 01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:00.960 less the medical side of it and it was just intelligence. To me, 797 01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:08.320 intelligence was awful, lot like playing the game of chess against an enemy you 798 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:12.800 may never see, and so to me, that was very intriguing. Can 799 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:19.679 we expect more footage and or classified documents to be released anytime soon? Well, 800 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:25.320 classified information, no, I don't think we'll ever get classified information released. 801 01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:30.320 I think you can get classified information declassified, and once that information is 802 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:36.000 declassified, then absolutely it can be released. But the government is usually not 803 01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:42.199 in the habit of releasing classified information. So if the expectations for people that 804 01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.880 classified information is going to be revealed, I think they're going to be sadly 805 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:50.960 disappointed. But on the good side of it, I think that there's plenty 806 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:57.039 of opportunity to have information that may be sensitive or considered classified, now have 807 01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:02.840 that information stripped of sources of method and have it downgraded and declassified. And 808 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:06.199 yes, I do. I think the intelligence community does this all the time. 809 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:10.239 In fact, I know they do, and I think this is something 810 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:13.559 that can be done in this area no differently than anything else. Look what 811 01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.719 just came out recently with the papers on the Kennedy assassination, etc. So 812 01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:23.760 it is possible, and I think it's it's certainly within the realm of reality, 813 01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:27.320 and if if you ask me, I would certainly champion that effort myself. 814 01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:34.000 What specific actions can regular people take to help the government release more UFO 815 01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:41.000 information to the public. I think we need to engage our leaders. I 816 01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:45.920 think we need to engage those individuals who we put in office to represent us 817 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.199 and our equities and our interests, and we need to let them know it's 818 01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:53.920 okay to have the conversation, it's okay to support things like Harry Reid and 819 01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:59.800 Senator Stevens in any way did and have the courage to ask the hard questions 820 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.360 and pursue doggedly the things that we don't understand. In fact, I think 821 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:11.960 that is one of our sacred missions as mankind, is to pursue those deep 822 01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:15.800 dark recesses that we have a hard time understanding and a hard time reaching. 823 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.159 I think it's in our nature. I think it's in our spirit, and 824 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:23.560 I think it's in our DNA. And so I would encourage everybody to reach 825 01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:29.359 out to their elected officials and keep asking the hard questions insist that the truth 826 01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:32.640 being made public. Thank you so much to Lou for being on the show 827 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:39.960 for us some really great information. Of course, this was exclusive for the 828 01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:44.560 International UFO Congress, but we wanted to share this portion of it with people 829 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:48.920 because it's very important information at this time. To see the entire presentation and 830 01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:54.800 to see other presentations from this year and others, please go to our UFO 831 01:08:55.000 --> 01:09:00.760 on demand that you can get to at Ufocongress dot com. Other so I 832 01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:05.119 told you, Lou and I had a conversation after this video was delivered to 833 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.000 us, and I said, hey, there were a couple of questions that 834 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:12.199 weren't answered. Can you answer them? One was from Nick and one was 835 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:15.319 from me. He said, that would be great. Nick's question was, 836 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:20.520 and I think this was a great question, especially given that he's someone from 837 01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:27.079 an insider himself, and I think that this answer would be telling. You 838 01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:30.439 know, but Nick wanted to know, what is your relationship like with your 839 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:39.920 former colleagues. Lou's answer was that it's it's good that officially he has no 840 01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:45.479 relationship with them because of course he's retired. However that personally he has a 841 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:49.760 great relationship with all of the people that are still in the DoD that he 842 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:56.760 used to work with, including the individuals who are running the A tip program 843 01:09:56.840 --> 01:10:00.680 currently. So yes, it does continue to this day, and that's a 844 01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:06.239 big deal that right now the Department of Defense is investigating UFOs. Of course, 845 01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:10.640 for decades we were told that there was no interest by the government in 846 01:10:10.680 --> 01:10:15.000 the UFO topic. And not only did we find out that this program exists 847 01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.600 in two thousand and seven, but it continues to exist to this day. 848 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:25.680 And lou says that the person in charge is a very high level official and 849 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:30.079 that there are actually a team of people that are working on the at program 850 01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:35.319 right now. So UFO cases are still being investigated. That's fascinating. So 851 01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:41.039 a great question from Nick. My question was regarding the medals, and now 852 01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:44.399 a little bit more has come out about this, at least on Coast to 853 01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:48.680 Coast last night, George Knapp had asked these questions. But if you haven't 854 01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:55.600 been able to listen to that, the question is about what about these alloys? 855 01:10:55.640 --> 01:11:00.560 The New York Times talked about these mysterious alloys that were recovered that Bigelow's 856 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:04.159 facilities even had to be modified to hold them. There was a little bit 857 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:11.680 of clarification. Bigelows facilities were modified to house a whole program, not just 858 01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.039 these materials, Like there's a bunch of materials. But these are not alloys, 859 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:20.039 he says, they are meta materials. And what that means is essentially 860 01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:28.239 is a manufactured material and it has strange isotopic values that indicate that it's not 861 01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:31.239 from this planet. So this is material that seems to be manufactured, that 862 01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:35.439 seems to be very advanced, something that we couldn't create, and it seems 863 01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:41.760 to be have been created off planet essentially, so fascinating. That's all I 864 01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:45.359 was being I was told. But now this answers the question of alloys because 865 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:47.800 people said, wait a second, there are no unknown alloys. That doesn't 866 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:54.880 make sense, and so this clarifies that question. So really good stuff. 867 01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:58.239 We're going to be able to have some follow up interviews coming up here in 868 01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:00.800 the not too distant future. Day tuned. Unfortunately, I'm gonna be or 869 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:04.520 actually fortunate for me, I'm gonna be out of town next week, so 870 01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:08.800 there won't be a show again next week because I got to relax. Oh 871 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:13.640 my gosh, I'm barely recovered from the I wouldn't even say I am recovered 872 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:16.479 from the conference. In fact, I got an ulster. Oh, so 873 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:21.439 I'm relaxing and trying to take it easy, and of course there's a lot 874 01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:25.680 to get done, like I'll have up on the store in the next few 875 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:29.079 days. Also the DVDs, so you can go to the UFO Congress store 876 01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:33.239 and buy DVDs of this lecture, as are these lectures as well. So 877 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:36.000 a lot of cool stuff going on, and I'll try to get some great 878 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:40.840 stories out because there's been some other cool stuff happening in the UFO world up 879 01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:46.119 at Openminds dot tv. But go to Ufocongress dot com register for the UFO 880 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.800 Video on Demand. It's worth it, hundreds of videos, including this Alizondo 881 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:57.520 video, so check it out. Otherwise, I want to thank Martin Willis 882 01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:00.760 for helping me out with the beginning of the show and helping us at the 883 01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:04.319 Congress. Like I said, he was awesome. Martin is amazing, and 884 01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:09.119 go visit him of course at Podcast UFO. I also want to thank Caleb 885 01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:13.920 Hanks for the opening, Closed Music Systematics for the bumper music. And I 886 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.079 want to thank you the listener for listening once again, and for those of 887 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:21.600 you who said hello at the conference. It's always wonderful to meet listeners, 888 01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:26.800 and I did get to meet a few more, and that's always an absolute 889 01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:30.720 pleasure. So you all have a great time. I'll talk to you in 890 01:13:30.800 --> 01:14:31.439 a couple of weeks. Until then, audio smooth, tachos your emotionless sound. 891 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:39.760 The glass is hollering all my second thought. This is just another reason 892 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:45.359 understanding wouldn't want to get to close or anything. No machine you will like 893 01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:55.720 to li and sound combine impossible that touch by yours other quart of the min