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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
the fire Escape Cast. It is episode

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eighty two. I'm Mike, your
host is always here with Dan Reichert Hello

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and Mary Kay yay, I deserve
this. She's wow. Yeah, you've

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dealt with a lot of uh,
what's the word my dick? Wow?

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Whoa? You're allowed to have that
one, You know what, that's the

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first one where I'm not offended or
upset. You can use that as much

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as suck suck, suck my dick, go to town on that one.

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You can use it as much as
you want, you get I already have

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been giant bump, so I was
just gonna say, I bite to test

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these before I'm on with the episode. Yeah, I have appreciate that we're

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not the We're not the one.
You're testing it out on giant de beta

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test and were cobor. I like
that. I like it. You said

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you haven't been embarrassed yet by one, but like this episode. You know,

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we got a lot of episode left. He might piss you off somehow,

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you know, some of them.
They can rile me, right,

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because I don't like having Yeah,
I don't like stop it hand. No,

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I don't like being misled like I'm
saying something, especially when it's bad,

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and I have missed. I have
watched some giant bond ones where you've

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straight up made me say stuff that's
like fucked up? Yes, what are

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you talking about? You did one
where you were like, I don't really

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think that we should help children,
you know, get through you know,

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anything like if they can't afford lunches, that's on them, and you were

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like, what, Yes, I
don't remember this. I don't believe that.

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Politically, somebody was deep baking deep
baking you. That's funny. You

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are so bad and like some of
them, like I would listen to it,

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I'd be like, oh my god, if I wanted to be,

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I could be so mad at this, but like it's it's fine because it's

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all I'm good. I just wanted
to show up. I had the new

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one. I wanted to show it
to you. I don't have it.

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That's the only one I have.
I have no intentions on on belaboring the

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soundboard or anything like that or wearing
it out. I think we're good.

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You're a liar, you're a thief, and you're a real piece of shit,

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and I don't believe you. Judge
you as the episode goes, I

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got the hands are up and you
can use that SoundBite too. Yeah,

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you're a liar, you're a thief, and you're a real piece of shit.

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I don't like using negative things.
You just suck my dick. It's

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a good one. That one's a
good one. Yeah. I also tweeted

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from our main livit laugh at love
it suck it in a really nice songs

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seraph script, and I thought it
nice. That's very nice. Yes,

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do you have me on the soundboard
at all? You're right? Yeah,

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you correct. That's Tim Curry kind
of to that. That's my least favorite

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of the agreeing with me once because
it's the only one where it doesn't say

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my name. Oh yeah, the
other ones, the other one. Dan's

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right, Dan is right about this
one. I do think Dan is probably

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right. You're right, Dan,
You're probably right Dan, Dan is right.

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Yeah, the nears doesn't say Dan. So how big is this soundboard?

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It's got six buttons. So the
only person I have that has their

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whole dedicated page is Mary. That
one is right, you're right. Yeah.

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Wait I don't agree with Dick.
Okay, that's the Mary page.

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Yeah, oh wait, wait and
then wait, there's also a Minati themed

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page, and Mary's got one on
there, so okay, but then we

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also think is probably right. Yeah, there's the Manati page in the marry

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page. That's right. I mean, I'm flattered that I've had so many

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important soundbites to you that I haven't
owned my own dedicated page. No,

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you're just the one who You're the
one who gets the angriest about it.

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That's it. That's why you have
the most noted Stalin sympathizer. Mary kid.

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That's what he does. That's what
he did. That's what he did.

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He was like, he was like, I mean, I'm really all

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for you know, equality and like
fair representation. And then it was like,

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kep with you. You were utilizing
me in nefarious way. Somebody else

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must have ripped that audio from my
soundboard. I wouldn't have done that.

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Dan trolls me on Giant Bomb and
I'm not watching this stuff live or ever.

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No, not, I just I
don't watch. And Dan DMed me

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he's like, had a little bit
for just just for you on today's BombCast.

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Oh no, And I keep in
mind, like this was what midway

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through an episode no one else knew
it was a joke, and Dan,

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there's something. No one else reacted
to it at all. It was just

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for you, Dan asking Greb to
explain Total War and saying that he didn't

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know anybody who plays those games,
and then he might, and then he

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might because of the way Grub describe
it. Because of the way Grub described

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it, Dan said he actually might
check the series out. I saw a

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couple of people in the chat being
like, I saw that, man,

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I saw that. I think I
said the quote was, I don't know

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anyone who plays that game? Can
you explain it? Yeah, and be

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very receptive to learning more and disrespectful. But see, I say Grubb's description

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was really bad. Oh really yeah? Oh words, Okay, big big

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news guy, Grubb uh needs to
get his facts straight. What do you

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get wrong? I think he just
maybe I need to go back and look.

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I think it's just uh he neglected
to say that like half of the

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game is like turn based civilization building. Okay, okay, Well, see

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I can disrespect you on that one
because I do feel like you are in

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the like Mount Rushmore of people whose
recommendations I've taken and loved and like all

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the outer wild and stuff and things
that you've introduced me to, so con

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occasion I can just outright ignore you. Yeah, I mean I'm not to

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be clear, I've never thought you
would like total War. I just like

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talking about it. Yeah. Yeah, I think we talk about a lot

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of stuff on the show that we
don't really give a shit if the other

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person likes it. No, that's
the purpose of it. Like me and

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Dan are never going to be Stalin
or Nixon people. But you keep going

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right with Mike's point, and that
can be utilized a weird way to talk.

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Thank you, express permission someone.
Dan has changed the way I communicate

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on this podcast. Sigh. Yeah, this is like a William Gibson novel

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about That's what I was thinking.
Yeah, you've heard of William Gibson before.

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Someone I was talking about writers recently
and somebody in the chat was like,

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have you read Gibson? And I
didn't know who that was. Who

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is that he did? Snowmancer or
snow Uh the fuck the Snowman? That?

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No, he's done. He does
like cyberpunk futuristic stuff, but he

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was doing like decades ago, Uh, snow crash, but snow crash that

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was Neil something wouldn't it Neil Diamond, No, snow Crash was Stephenson?

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Yes, who knows the books?
Now? I don't. I don't.

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I've never really read William Gibson.
William Gibson wrote, uh, Neuromancer.

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Sorry, that's why I was reminding
Snowmancer snow Crashing Neuromancer. Uh. Yeah,

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oh he did Johnny Namonic as well. Okay, somebody's telling me about

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that recently, because I was talking
about starting to read Stephen King Stephan enjoying

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it. Yeah, it's funny.
I uh in terms of like sci fi,

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I've only recently come around to reading
more sci fi, and he's like

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kind of cyberpunk sci fi, et
cetera. I have friends that have been

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recommending him to me. What else
what's called? I'm in France right now

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as people are listening to this episode. Well not right now that your office,

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Yeah right now, like you know, we have a video version,

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people to zoom background, that room
doesn't exist. Wait let me see this.

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W hold up in that room?
Several times slept in that room?

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Do I do this? My team
has been going crazy with these funky Google

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meats backgrounds where you can like turn
yourself into a potato or a what like

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a tree trunk or you can trudground. Yes, you're you like it tracks

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your eyeballs and then it like puts
them on like a weird item and contorts

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your head shape. And it's that's
in Google now. Yes, okay,

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Google meets does it now? And
I mean it's me and their novel.

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This is like a little novelty.
Oh the green the northern lights. Uh,

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that's close enough. Wait. This
is the same background that Bill Hayter

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uses it for getting Sarah Marshall and
he's like, oh, I've been Hawaii

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Too's a great bit for the audio
listener to a beach, which is I'm

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like a notorious zoom for the first
time. This is sick. If they're

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I think they're enjoyable. I think
they're nice to like use, but they

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wear out their welcome really quickly.
Like when I'm having a serious call about

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uh, really important stuff and one
of us looks like a cowboy and it's

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tracking your eyes and putting a little
mustache on you. I just can't.

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I cannot oxious. I agree,
you cannot take you my kids. The

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irony is he's got a very obnoxious
border on his frame as he talks about

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it being obnoxious. Oh so,
he says to me, I thought it

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was like a stand up I thought
it was a stand up theater, not

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a like a theater theater. What
if, Okay, that would be a

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really good bit if you guys were
going to see a movie and I like

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found out a week ahead of time
and I just like put a live feet

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of like my face on it.
That would be really good. And now

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the part of mad Max Furio so
will be played by me, Michael Maharty,

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I'm Furio Suck. They did that
once where I don't know if it

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was actually Charles Martine, but it
was Nintendo's E three booth and like twenty

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ten or something, and they had
just a giant Mario head up in the

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booth and it was like looking down
and looking around and doing like crowd work,

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like oh look at you, you
got that toe, Look at you,

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you got some long pants on.
Oh you got a fun hat,

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look at that kind of there.
Look oh hi, oh he's waving at

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me. And it's like, so, I think it was just Charles Martina

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and a booth just looking at like
security cam footage and like roasting people it

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was weird. All right, what
was that your impression of what's that?

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What was that impression of? That
was Charles Martine's Mario the kid. You

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weren't trying to be Mickey Mouse.
I see. The thing is, I

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don't think I've heard Mickey Mouse talk. I've only heard people do impressions of

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Mickey Mouse. So is it does
it? No? He kind of sounds

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hot like that, and he's got
really a high voice. Huh. I

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don't think I've ever heard Mickey talk. I don't think Mario sounds like that

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either of there, but Mario doesn't
talk in sentences usually, so that's why

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it was like extra weird that Charles
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just that's the goal, you know, like he was saying stuff now that

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is Mary's the dream. Yeah,
it sounds weird when Mario is saying he

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was talking. My lovely Leonore was
good. He's just like readings. It

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was the worst of times. He's
irish, big literary brain on damned episode.

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It's me. I probably saw Simpsons
episode that quoted that you're probably reading

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was the best of times. It
was the blurst of times. Yeah,

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that was a Simpsons thing. Actually, yeah, Canal for Infinite Desk by

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David Foster Lee Wallace when by Mario
this is not a bit. When would

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I have heard Mickey mouse talk?
Because I feel like the only time I've

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seen a Mickey thing was I mean
the logo obviously, and the logo doesn't

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talk. And then Fantasia, which
is the fucking worst movie ever because it's

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just a bunch of bullshit happening while
songs are like music is playing, Fantasia

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fucking sucked. But like, Mickey
doesn't talking movies. So if I'm not

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seeking out Mickey talking, why would
I have ever been confronted by Mickey mouse

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talking? Why would I know what
he sounds like? Uh, well,

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you love Kingdom Hearts? Oh does
he talking that in Kingdom Hearts? I

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think he does. Yeah, okay, because he's like this his I forget

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I played the first two games.
I never played the third or any of

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the I played Dream Drop Distance when
I was interning a game Offormer. But

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outside of that, I forget if
he talked much because he was always this

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kind of like occasional presence that loomed
over things. But he wasn't like a

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huge character in the first game,
if memory serves, Okay, exactly,

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he's a logo, that's this whole
thing. Yeah, he he's deff now,

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but Mary, you were you were? You did it like in that

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vein. It's like that kind of
like, oh, like your dreams will

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come true. It's definitely like more
When have you heard him say that?

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Well, I don't know that he
ever said that, but when say anything?

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As soon as they had talkies,
because what's crazy is like Mickey Mouse

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is old, old, old,
right, like Mickey Mouse's original there's Okay,

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there's a Frickin' Disney Museum in San
Francisco and you can go and it

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takes you through the history of Walt
Disney and how he came. So this

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is like my recollection of this.
Yes, who made the Mickey and the

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others? Originally they were silent,
right, and they had music in the

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background the very when Mickey talked,
Yeah, that's right, that's like how

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old these are. But once they
started being able to have sound in them,

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they were introducing other characters and Minnie, who you might think has a

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voice, right because she was always
like kind of sweet on Mickey, and

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they would talk to each other and
he would talk to her and be like,

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you know, oh many did Walt
Disney do the voice? I think

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that he by that point had a
whole crew of people who were working on

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his films, and they were all
kind of like there was like a whole

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system, like a whole line of
how they were doing, and a lot

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of the fill in color were done
by women, which back then it was

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like, you know, a lot
of women didn't have jobs back then,

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so that was pretty cool. So
I guess they never did the thing that

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like, because when I was grown
up, like every cartoon the whole thing

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was it was always shipped out to
Korea, like Simpsons was always shipped out

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to Korea. It took months for
it to come back from the storyboards and

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everything. So I guess was Disney
always doing it in house? He was,

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But I don't think his labor practices
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think he was notorious for his like
fair practices. In fact, I think

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he got in trouble several times for
essentially like the workers being like you,

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you aren't paying us enough for how
rich you are, sir. So I

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don't think he was perfect, but
I do think that he had assemblies literally

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like assembly lines in California that were
like making his cartoons. Yeah, okay,

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yeah, and like the very first
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very first ones. I'm like trying
to like go back in time here,

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but like snow White and the Seven
Dwarfs and stuff like that, they were

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using like panes of glass over panes
of glass that were each painted and that's

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that's right, and that's how they
would get like that parallaxing so that you

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would see trees that would be moving
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It was all done with like three
D glass panes with a camera. It's

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really neat, like they were quite
innovative back in the day. That's I

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don't really know anyone that's into Disney, so that's that's interesting to hear.

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Soa thank you for an example.
It's not about it. It's very different

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than going to like Walt Disney World, which is just like you are now

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in the fun Zone and everything is
meant to be like joyous. It's the

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raw, honest reflection of how a
man essentially transformed children's entertainment and then created

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theme parks which are like ungodly,
like there's just no nothing that compares to

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a Disney theme park, And so
it goes through all of it, including

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the dirt right gets into like the
problems that he had and you know a

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lot of the racist origins of Disney
films and things, or at least the

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cartoons were pretty bad, and so
like it really talks about why they show

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them in their entirety and why they're
really reflective of that past. So I

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think it was kind of neat because
they weren't. When you go into Disney,

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they ain't gonna probably tell you that
stuff. Sure, But in this

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history museum, I think that's what
it is. It's like a history museum.

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They go into like the genuine there
was a dude who like was able

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to make this insane thing happen,
and he made a lot of enemies along

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the way, you know what I
mean. It's like when you watch the

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Facebook movie and they're like, this
guy kind of seems like a bad guy,

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and it's just like, you know, you really can't make this much

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money in theme parks without being a
little bit of a prick, like you

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kind of have to be. My
direct analog is my first day when I

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worked at W DOE. I was
specifically told Vince sees himself as Walt Disney,

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and he sees the wrestlers like,
you know, John Cena is his

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Mickey Mouse, and this characters is
you know this, and it's like they're

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his I P. Basically, they're
his creations and he's He's the Disney of

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the whole thing. And so but
you know, famously, there was no

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dirt dirt, there's nothing bad,
and no one says a bad thing about

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it. Turns out he was perfect. Yeah, at the end of that

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story, yep, absolutely, Yeah, a lot of powerful dudes in entertainment

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turned out being a real shitty.
Huh. Why is that the case that

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every time someone is able to accrue
a billion dollars it turns out they were

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kind of a shithead? Was?
What was that? What was the thing

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you were saying the other day about
Mary's opinion about Vince McMahon. What were

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you saying? We told you we
we were talking about it. We thought

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Vince McMahon was a piece of ship. I don't agree, Mary. We

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can't do this. You can't give
forrest. Mary comes in here we go

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jes Yeah, that's right, that
is real. We got to apologize for

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I can't believe Mary still defends him. Dan is right, Jesus Jake,

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delete all of this because it's bad
that we are allowed to make one member

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of this podcast say that is anything
besides a monster. Wait, I've been

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I've been framed for saying I like
quite a lot of shitty people on this

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podcast as well. Yeah, don't
play the victim game with me when it

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comes to misrepresentation. Mixon, Nixon
over McMahon. Boy, Yeah, all

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right, let's play everyone's favorite game
show, Nixon or McMahon. Who's your

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favorite? Mike Nixon, fuck Mary
kill, Vince McMahon, Joseph Cosby,

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Richard and Richard Nixon fuck Mary kill
straight up. It's really not a question.

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Oh, boy, man, actually
definitely fuck Nixon. Give me Nixon

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over mcmahonon Cosby, he's the dead
one. Wait, aren't they all dead?

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No, he's the only bad one. Oh, Vincent Cosmi are just

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ancient, horrible people. Yeah,
these are so bad. I would I

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don't even know if we're legally allowed
to answer this. Change the subject,

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because I hate this, I hate
where we are, and I don't agree

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with I don't agree with any of
this. I don't know. I don't.

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I don't. You're right, I
am right, Mary is right.

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Uh. I want to change the
subject. I had an interesting thing that

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happened to me, Mike. Uh. I just wanted to say, I

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don't know if you recognize this bag. Oh yeah, yeah, but okay,

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So for for audio listeners, this
is a beautiful green bag. It's

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uh, it's nice. It's like
a nice large bag and it has my

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name dazzled on it. And I
got it on Mike's wedding day as a

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as like one of my presence.
Yeah, I'm drinking a glass that was

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in my bag that looks like that. I keep this bag usually in my

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car because it's just a great crap. I need a bag for the grocery

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store or for an item. It's
just a nice party bags. I've had

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it for a while. Flash backwards
to three months ago. I had a

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friend that surprised me to come into
town, and I wanted to take them

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to some iconic vistas, uh in
Portland by the Gorge. But it just

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so happened that that exact weekend there
was a ice storm, and as I

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was telling her I was going to
drive her to this really nice lookout,

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there were all these warnings online that
you should not drive to these vistas because

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the roads are really icy and they're
actually quite dangerous and you just shouldn't go.

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And I was like, it'll be
fine. I have four wheel drive,

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just like every other portland Er.
I was like, I have a

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super Uo. It's not a problem. And so we trucked on ahead,

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and I saw so many warning signs. I drove past like four cars in

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ditches, and I was like,
that's crazy. Anyway, let's keep going.

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And I saw just wrecked trees in
front of the road, and I

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would try and get around them and
I'd get a little stuck, and then

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we'd figure it out and I'd keep
going. And then there was this huge

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hill that you have to drive up, and so I gunned it and I

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got like ninety percent up the hill
and I stopped, and then when I

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tried to start again, my car
started going backwards. My four With everything

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I had, I was fully on
the brakes and I was sliding backwards slowly,

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but enough. What was scaring Yes, it was scaring the shit out

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of me because I was on a
hill. I could have fallen off the

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hill right like. It was a
dangerous situation. My girlfriend's in the car

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with me were both kind of like, ah, this is kind of dangerous,

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isn't it. And I don't have
anything to protect me. I have

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nothing. The only thing I had
was this bag, and I didn't want

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to but I needed it, and
so I eventually we kind of like slowly

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caused, like we just stopped,
but we were like off the road now,

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and I took the bag out of
my backseat and I shoved it under

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my tire and I used it,
yes, And I used it as leverage

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to get up this hill, and
I did not. It was so icy,

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you guys, I was. It
was too risky for me to stop

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and get out and go get the
bag. So I left it. I

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left it in the middle of the
road in an icy storm three months ago,

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and I said to my friend,
Well, if Mike and Amanda knew

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that this bag saved our lives,
they would not mind that I left it

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in the ditch somewhere in Camus,
And so I ignored it. Fast forward

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three months later, I drove back
to that hill and that fucking bag was

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still on the side of the road. Pretty dirty, He's pretty dirty,

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but it was there, and I
grabbed it and I put it in my

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truck. I have it back,
and so I got it back. Awesome.

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It's like all the things that could
happen weatherwise there and everything was still

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largely in the same spot. It
was like literally ten feet from where I

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wow, I thought you're gonna say, it was still like just on your

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wheel when you're driving everywhere. It's
like a horror movie. It's like still

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clinging onto my car. It was. It was amazing that it was still

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there. I had let it go
right like I had. Even emotionally as

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we pulled away, I was like, I'm sad. I liked that bag,

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but like me going backwards like that
on ice was so scary. I

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was like, it's totally worth it
to lose a bag to not stress about

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this. But yeah, finding it
three months later it was just a really

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funny little thing to come across and
there she is, back in my passion.

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There are survival devices. You didn't
tell us that my car. Bonus.

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You you did a good thing too, where you had the whole fun

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grab bag of like, hey,
we're gonna be doing a lot of drinking

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and so here's you know, here's
iber broken, here's you know, oh

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yeah, all these things. So
that's so nice when someone does that before

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a wedding, when they're like,
we know, you guys are gonna get

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fucked up. So here's your here's
your little kid for your tummy, here's

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your pink juice, baby girl,
here's your three bottles of water. We

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had a fun wedding last weekend,
weekend before Memorial Day, and it was

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a like bed and breakfast style in
Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania, and there's a brewery

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on site. And also the rooms
there were five rooms toward the bottom of

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the like uh acre that was on
and they were the old stables had been

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converted into rooms like fireplace and everything. It was super fun. But yeah,

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they had they had a I see
most weddings have those kind of like

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uh, what do you want to
call like recovery bags and whatnot, just

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like snacks and stuff you're hanging out
the room or killing time, it's yours.

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Had candy. That was a real
nice bonus. I love getting a

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couple of little baggies. Oh yeah
in the hotel, I remember, Yeah

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that's right, Yeah, yeah,
I think those are nice. Wedding season

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is always kind of a nice enjoyable
excuse to travel to somewhere that you probably

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wouldn't go. It's maybe not something
that you would have done. You get

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to see a lot of old buds
or people that you haven't seen in a

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while that you enjoy, and you
have like full carte blanche to get drunk.

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It's super allowed in that situation to
party all night and have a really

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good time. I mean, they're
great. I love it. I love

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getting invited to weddings. Yeah,
I feel like I wonder if there's gonna

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be a second wave of like I
feel throughout my thirties, it was like

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NonStop weddings I was going to,
and I feel like most of my friends

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are married now, and so I
do wonder if, like you know,

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in my late forties, if there's
going to be a second wave of like

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second marriage, you know, wedding
periods. You know. Yeah, this

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year we thought last year is bad
for us, This year five or six.

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Oh, that's a lot. Yeah, but it's like nobody we can

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say no to, and we're like
excited for all of them. But like

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we'll be in Hawaii for like a
small thirty five person destination thing in October.

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We'll be on Kawaii. You're going
to Hawaii for a wedding, I'm

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going to Oklahoma for my next one. Yeah, it's a little bit different.

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Yeah, like sometimes the ones where
you go like middle of nowhere are

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the most fun. But we yeah, we'll be there for our anniversary in

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Hawaii, so that'll be fun.
But yeah, we're also like an excuse,

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right, Like, yes, it's
an expensive place to go, but

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how lovely is it to be?
Like, well, sorry, honey,

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we got to go to Hawaii,
Like a really good friend is getting marrior,

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Like it's I wouldn't probably pick Hawaii
for vacation. It's too expensive,

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but if I had a good reason, like yeah, you gotta go.

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Yeah, turns out Hawaii's pretty expensive. It's getting so expensive. I looked

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it up. I was doing some
preliminary research for like destination places like that,

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and it's crazy doing some like that
in Hawaii. It's not just expensive

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for the guests, because obviously it's
very expensive for you to travel that far

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and to get out of intel room, but the wedding ceremonies and stuff like

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that. I mean like they're starting
at like thirty thousand dollars. It's nuts.

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Yeah, they're a lot. We're
looking forward to it. Well,

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we'll be on Kawaii, which is
like, from what I understand, more

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like rustic of the islands, So
that'll be nice. It won't be as

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touristy, I think, relatively speaking. But yeah, that's the trying to

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think. That'll be ten hours to
Honolulu from New York and then we lay

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over in not direct is it from
New York to Honolulu? Yeah, oh

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wow, it's all the way ten
hours, but then we do like a

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very short flight over to Kawaii from
Honolulu. But yeah, the like outside

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of that, we have we have
some others that like are just train travel,

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Like the the trip I'm going on
in for four days? What is

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today Tuesday? Three days? Bull
shit? The trip we're leaving for in

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three days. Our honeymoon in France
is the longest I think the longest vacation

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I've ever gone on. Two weeks. Yeah, I want to say two

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weeks. I think the previous one
would have been. I mean I did

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London and Cologne games Com twenty seventeen. I think that's a week. Iisation,

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Yeah, it was a week in
London and then a week in Colomba.

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Yeah, No, this is no
work. Taking two weeks off.

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I don't think I've ever done that. No, Dan, what's your I

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swear to god? This is like
ages ago, I took five days off

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of work to go to Nicaragua,
and I thought it was so crazy that

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I did that because you get the
weekend before and the weekend after that was

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like a what you know, seven
day trip. Yeah, that's the longest

406
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I've ever gone, And I thought
that was nuts. Like for me,

407
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.000
I was like, I can't believe
I'm gone for so long. Yeah,

408
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:55.400
we're like work wise, I keep
like feeling nervous about it, but everybody

409
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:59.119
at work is like, don't be
That's a once in a lifetime thing,

410
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:00.480
Like you're allowed to do that.
Dan, what do you think your longest

411
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.960
vacation is? I mean, I
feel like it's all work stuff, you

412
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.039
know, Like, yeah, it's
interesting, like doing what we do and

413
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.759
working in games, because like I
kind of see all the trips I've done

414
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.960
as like fun trips, but they've
also been technically work trips. Like you

415
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.480
know, the times I've gone to
Japan or Europe and things like that,

416
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:22.440
it almost all been work related.
So as far as it's taking something where

417
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:29.240
I'm not doing anything related to work. I mean, fuck, not a

418
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.680
lot really, Bonka. I went
to New Orleans, and you know it's

419
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.279
probably New Orleans because we kind of
split those kind of our honeymoon. We

420
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.559
went to New Orleans and spent like
four or five days they were just doing

421
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.279
New Orleans stuff. But then we
tacked it on to WrestleMania thirty four and

422
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.359
so then it was like, you
know, four or five days of like

423
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.519
WrestleMania stuff, So it almost felt
like two little vacations, which I guess

424
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:49.920
neither of them had anything to do
with work. Like the first half was

425
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.319
like honeymoon, New Orleans, second
half was you know, wrestling. So

426
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.720
yeah, probably that I would say. But yeah, most of time I

427
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.519
take stuff off work. It's like
I got a doctor's appointment, or I

428
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.279
got some you know, I got
people in town or something. It's not

429
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:07.119
just like vacation stuff. But yeah, I think we collectively as Americans could

430
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.880
probably be better about taking leading time. But isn't it though, like with

431
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.839
what we do. And I don't
want to speak for everyone, but like

432
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:15.920
I don't know, I just feel
like all this shit, Like you know,

433
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.920
I'm going to the summer games Fest
next week, and it's like,

434
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.759
Okay, I'm going to do a
bunch of fun. I'm gonna be drinking

435
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.519
and doing dumb video game shows with
my friends. Like to me, that

436
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.359
that has never felt like I gotta
go on this work trip, you know.

437
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.359
It's always been like, sweet,
I want to go have a bunch

438
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.759
of fun with my friends and go
to fucking Disneyland and put on a show

439
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.079
Like that doesn't feel like work to
me. You know, it is work,

440
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.359
But I understand what you're saying that
it doesn't drain you in the same

441
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.640
way. What I will say,
like is someone who works in the streaming

442
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.359
space, it is very draining to
be on all the time, and so

443
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.680
that has a cost to it.
But I agree with you. When I

444
00:30:52.920 --> 00:31:00.759
go to the Netherlands for TwitchCon,
I am working my tail off for like

445
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:06.519
ten hour days, twelve hour days, daring those cons. But I'm laughing

446
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:11.799
during that time. I am meeting
people, I am enjoying their company,

447
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:15.720
I am having a blast. I
am working, but it is fun.

448
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.720
And I hear you like, I
don't know if it's comparable to me working

449
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.480
the way I used to work previously
before I was in games. I don't

450
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:29.200
think it's the same cost. It's
a different costs. You bring something up

451
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:30.799
that I think about a lot where
it's like, you know, the stress

452
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.880
of being on all the time,
and you know, especially I've seen now

453
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.640
more than ever that like, you
know, my day job is being on

454
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.960
all the time on podcasts and streams
and stuff like that, and more often

455
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.400
the night at night, you know, I'm recording with you guys, I'm

456
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.160
doing a personal Twitch stream, I'm
recording something like next Lander. So it's

457
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.640
like I think I am actually on
more than I'm off to a point where

458
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.599
it's been so long now I do
wonder at times like and this isn't necessarily

459
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:56.880
a bad or a good thing or
anything. So something I've noticed where it's

460
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.720
like, has it just kind of
even out where its like this is just

461
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.119
kind of like, yeah, this
is just kind of me, you know,

462
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:07.119
Like I think about that a lot
where it's like, yeah, you

463
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:08.799
know what I mean is that does
that make sense? I believe you are

464
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.680
built different. I do not think
that a lot of people can do what

465
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:17.240
you do, Dan, but you
are built to say, oh my gosh,

466
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:22.359
I have an extra evening free I'm
gonna stream this classic game from the

467
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.880
nineties, and I think that a
lot of people would be like, ooh,

468
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:30.440
that's precious me time. I think
you enjoy to a degree, oh

469
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.559
yeah doing it, and I think
that you are built different. I think

470
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.160
you I don't know a lot of
people that could do what you are able

471
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:38.240
to do, but I think you
are able to do it, and I

472
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:40.400
think it brings you joy. And
as long as it brings you joy,

473
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.319
then go for it one hundred percent. Does it just makes me wonder if

474
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.039
like it has all just kind of
merged and I'm just kind of always on

475
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.640
now, Like, for instance,
you know, we we've hung out off

476
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.599
camera, off Mike, you know
a million times, Like do you feel

477
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.200
like there's a distinct, Like am
I different when we're hanging out at a

478
00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:00.920
bar versus on this? Uh?
Yeah, but not like I think you'd

479
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:06.160
have to know you pretty well to
like see it. But it's like I

480
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:08.200
don't, like, I don't think
people that's where you get into like some

481
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:12.839
parasitic stuff where people are like,
no, this is Dan. Like I

482
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.319
listened to him, you know,
on six different shows, so I know

483
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:19.160
him. I'm like, no,
that's not it's not all you. But

484
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.880
yeah, no, I don't think
you like, I don't think you put

485
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:23.559
it on. You don't come off
as fake like on fire Escape or Giant

486
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.960
Bomb or anything, and just hanging
out, Yeah, we're just hanging out.

487
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:35.119
I think I think you're a bit
more like very ever so slightly relaxed

488
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.519
when we're just hanging out. Okay, not that you don't come off relaxed

489
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.920
on camera, but there is certain
thing. There are certain things where do

490
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.000
you remember when we did the twenty
like the eighteen hour whatever, like Goady

491
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.720
Marathon. I don't think it was
eighteen but it was a really long time

492
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:53.880
the words, it was two years
ago. And you made a fire afterwards

493
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.559
at your house. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And

494
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:04.240
we weren't on and we all stared
at the fire and we allowed silence for

495
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.440
like twenty minutes, and sometimes someone
would say something and sometimes we'll be like

496
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:08.800
yeah, I like that too,
and then we would sit in silence.

497
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:15.840
I think you allow silence more sure, But like that to me was like

498
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.639
the peer, we're so fucking tired, but we weren't ready for bed because

499
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.360
our brains were still active. Oh
yeah, Like after recording this, I

500
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.280
can never go straight to bed.
And I'm still I'm still on. You

501
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.760
have to wind down. I wake
I wake my wife up, and I

502
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:34.960
keep like doing bits to her board. Bring a soundboard in the bedroom.

503
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:45.559
Yeah, I would just start my
dick. She's just a good No.

504
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.239
I mean, I'm not. I'm
definitely different. I think I started to

505
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.280
notice that, uh, like I
would like covid, I would you know,

506
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.440
I would be streaming some of my
own stuff. I'd be streaming with

507
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:59.000
you guys, we'd be recording this. I was working very long days and

508
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.719
very intense stuff for or like speed
Run on the Quibi Show. Right.

509
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:05.800
Yeah, So, like I noticed
that I would always be fine for like

510
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.440
a few weeks, but then all
of a sudden, there would be like

511
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:12.480
a moment where it all hit me
at once, where I'm like like,

512
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.480
uh oh, like, oh right, it's Wednesday. And I told people

513
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.440
I'd stream Banjo Twey and like dread
creeps in because I thought I had a

514
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.599
free night. And I was like, it hits me differently, That's why

515
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.440
I stopped streaming. I was like, that's not, that's not. It

516
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.760
was rewarding in many ways. It
was rewarding in many ways, but it

517
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.519
was also like I got I get
way more out of doing things that have

518
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:36.519
nothing to do with video games these
days. Like I had the opposite where

519
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.079
it's like I'll have a night,
like a rare night where I don't have

520
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:42.000
anything planned, and like I'll be
like, all right, what the hell?

521
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.440
I guess I'll I could put together
this lego and put some TV on

522
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:45.840
the background, or maybe I'll play
something on a steam deck, and like

523
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.559
I can't shake this thing for my
head when I'm like that where it's like

524
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.800
what am I doing? I'm wasting
time? Like I'm not like I have

525
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.360
no excuse to not be streaming,
I have no excuse to not be doing

526
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.880
something productive. And it's like,
again, I think you're bill different.

527
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.920
I was like that for a but
I think like, honestly, Amanda has

528
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:05.960
gotten me more to embrace relaxing.
And I'm not good at relaxing at all,

529
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.320
but like she she has definitely like
encourages me to, Hey, this

530
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:13.599
is not wasting time, you are
recharging. This is like it. Sometimes

531
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.880
I felt like I would I was
actually overextending myself by I wasn't using time

532
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:21.159
wisely by not taking any free time, because then it would just build up

533
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:22.760
and I would and then my work
would suffer. My work didn't suffer,

534
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.679
but I could see a world in
which my work suffered. Huh Yeah,

535
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.840
I guess if I'm just doing it
and it's all under my control, I'm

536
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.000
always like good to go, go, go, go go. It's the

537
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:36.360
thing is when I packed my schedule
so crazy, then it's the nanosecond I

538
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:37.400
start getting a bunch of like,
hey can you come on this thing,

539
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.039
Hey can you do this thing?
Hey do you want to come do this?

540
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.199
It's like a bunch of people asking, and I'm looking at the calendar.

541
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:43.920
I'm like, I don't have a
single fucking free night, and it's

542
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.320
like, well, that's my own
doing, that's my phone, Like that's

543
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.039
my fault. And then I can't. Then when I get asked to squeeze

544
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.920
something in, then I can't do
it. Like yeah, it's I I

545
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.039
do realize that, Yeah, it's
probably healthier to like schedule those days in

546
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:58.800
or like that. That stuff is. I don't not enjoy it, but

547
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.119
I yeah, I can't help but
think, like I could be doing something

548
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.280
with my time right now. You
have like a you have date nights end

549
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:06.679
of the week. Yeah, yeah, we do, Like yeah, we

550
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.000
watch movie every week. You know, we definitely do that. Yeah.

551
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:13.840
Yeah, we just saw Bunking Me
and Hanson. When saw Furiosa on the

552
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.519
last one, that was fun.
Yeah, is that as good as people

553
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.000
are saying it's good? It's good. I didn't like it quite as much

554
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.199
as Fiery Road, and I don't
think I like Fiery Road quite as much

555
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.039
as most people did. But I
like them both a lot. I think

556
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:27.760
they're both really good movies. I
wanted to see it. I'm going to

557
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.840
see it. I will see Furiosa. It looks like a really fun action

558
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.880
flick. But our weather was pretty
good this weekend, and I just cannot

559
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.480
justify sitting in a movie theater when
the weather is nice, Like, oh,

560
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.880
so, I like, I'm like
waiting for a rainy day when it's

561
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.719
perfect to just go to a movie
theater and enjoy it. Yeah. We

562
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:52.519
we have a pool at the chateau
we're at in Bordeaux, so we're like,

563
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:53.760
we should we have a pier right
here on the water that we go

564
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.039
to, like it's in our backyard
basically, So we're like, all right,

565
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.920
we should get used to some sun
this week before we go. So

566
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.719
then we're kind of ready for the
pool and whatnot. But yeah, it

567
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.679
was gorgeous here this weekend. But
yeah, I want to see FERIEO.

568
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:07.519
So I still want to see Civil
War. I have not seen Doom Part

569
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:13.599
two yet. What about the Garfield
movie? I feel like you've been blazed

570
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.719
over that, Jem I saw it
three times already. I've seen it,

571
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.400
Mary, geez, Yeah, I
kind of want to see it. That

572
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.159
seemed kind of good to me.
Yeah, I mean, there seems like

573
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.400
there's stuff out there. I don't
know if how much anyone here gives a

574
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:35.000
shit about the conversation going on about
the box office, but this last weekend

575
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:40.280
was really low comparatively two decades before. And there's all these people asking what

576
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:44.679
do you think is the reason that
the box office is solow? And a

577
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.960
lot of people are blaming COVID forgetting
people to wanting, you know, just

578
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.320
comfortable looking at movies in their own
living room. Some people are saying that

579
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:58.559
they're converting the box office to digital
too quickly. So it's like you can,

580
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.559
oh, Dune is already on like
NAX, right, yeah, and

581
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:06.039
so it's like it's really not a
huge sacrifice. You're not missing this cultural

582
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.320
phenomena like you were when Barbie hit
theaters and everyone was talking about it,

583
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.519
which wasn't that long ago. I
mean, it'd be like six months between

584
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:15.800
a movie coming out and Nick coming
out on DVD, you know, that's

585
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:22.599
right. And so anyway, there's
just like all these different theories of why

586
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.239
the box office didn't do this well. I don't know if I have my

587
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:31.679
own outside of the fact that unless
everybody else is like me, my answer

588
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:37.960
was maybe the weather has been on
average better, the weather's nice, but

589
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.039
summer is blockbuster movie season. It
always has been, you know. So

590
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.320
it's like they didn't stop people for
decades before this, so like something changed

591
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.280
at some point, Like I I
if anything, I think COVID made movie

592
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.960
theaters better because they had to kind
of up their game because there was that

593
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.679
period where like all these movies,
you know, New Matrix is coming out

594
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.559
to streaming, Firs Dunes coming out
to streaming, and they during that time

595
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.880
period, that's when you started seeing
like kind of the more widespread adoption of

596
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.159
these recliner seats and these better screens
and the Dolby digital things, more IMAX

597
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.920
and stuff like that. So those
are the ones we go to the theaters

598
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:13.679
for is the ones where it's like
these big summer like you know, we

599
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.159
saw Time of the Apes, we
saw Dune, we saw Furiosa, We've

600
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:19.920
seen all these because like you want
to see those in the big like you

601
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.159
know, we've got big screens and
surrounds, sound and all that stuff at

602
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.920
home. But like there is something
about the theater still and it's typically at

603
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.519
me and Bonk and frequently Ben Hanson
and I think we're all kind of in

604
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.360
the same boat where it's like,
yeah, we want to go you know

605
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:34.159
that first like week a big movies
out cause I don't know, it's those

606
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.719
reclining seats and everything are great now
it's it's great like you know, hearing

607
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:39.719
in crowd reactions while you're there,
there is something you don't get. And

608
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:44.840
I think the theater itself is more
comfortable now than pre COVID. Yeah,

609
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:51.440
I agree. I I I think, like I'm fine going to see movies

610
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.119
in like the dead of summer heat
to get away from the heat. But

611
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.280
yeah, this being like the first
super nice weekend, I was like,

612
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.039
I'm not, I don't want to
go see a movie this weekend. Yeah,

613
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.559
get back out there. We're usually
seeing once it started like, you

614
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.280
know, between seven and nine or
something like that, so it's kind of

615
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.719
getting dark anyway. Do you ever
see rom coms in theaters or are you

616
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.239
always going to see like an action
flick in a theater. I don't know.

617
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.960
I canmembers on this show or another
one, but I really I don't

618
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:17.320
know how many rom coms I've seen
in my life, Like I don't know

619
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.440
if I've really seen them, Like, it's never been a genre I've really

620
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:35.000
seen. I guess tough guy at
all to so masculine. I'm sure they're

621
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:37.519
great. We've done this on fire
Escape and you look through your letter box

622
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.119
and you're like, oh, I
guess that's a rom com. Oh I

623
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:42.280
guess that's okay, Okay, that
was on this Okay. Yeah, I

624
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:44.639
couldn't remember like which ones I've seen, but like, yeah, like like

625
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.400
The Notebook and stuff like that,
Like I've just never seen those that's more

626
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:53.840
romance like romance than rom com.
Oh okay, okay, Silverman the definitely

627
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.599
okay, but yeah we're getting forgetting
some more right right. Yeah? Okay,

628
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:05.880
when Harry met Sally, she's a
ten. Yeah. Anytime there's like

629
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.719
calm in it, yeah, anytime
there's a pun. Yeah, do you

630
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:14.280
know what rom com actually stands for? What's that? Mike? Uh?

631
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:22.000
Well, one Edward Rommel common back
in Germany in the nineteen Mary. I

632
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:23.960
love it when he does a setup
for a joke and then you ask him

633
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.960
to give the punchline and it's obvious
he hadn't thought that far ahead yet.

634
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.800
Yeah, well, that's you putting
me on the spot. That's not my

635
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.159
fault. You asked the question,
you said, what do you make this

636
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.239
stands for? You put the tea
all on the stand and he didn't have

637
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:44.119
a back. Oh as free question
needs answers. Now it was fotlight and

638
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:49.199
it's too cool for rum come.
I thought that Mike was setting himself up

639
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.320
for a bit because when we were
a game spot, Mike used to do

640
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.239
this thing where he'd be like,
oh, what do you think you know?

641
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.599
Do you know where this was made
from? And we'd be like yeah,

642
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.519
and then he would be like,
walk away. He would make up

643
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:05.360
something completely nonsensical, like the entire
intention of it was to fuck with the

644
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.400
asker, like you were never serious
at all. What's the one where you

645
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:14.920
like would intentionally be like you would
ask something like what does Uh oh that

646
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:20.440
was that was? What is a
movie with people with much of my sense

647
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.599
of humor? It's often like anger
funneled through humor at like one person my

648
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:30.840
anger funnel. Yeah, Like we
we worked with a couple of people,

649
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.239
but one person especially who loved to
butt into conversations and correct people when he

650
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.440
wasn't This person wasn't even a part
of the conversation. So in like as

651
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:45.360
a way to mock them and bait
them, I would start asking really obvious

652
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.239
questions as if I was confused,
so then they would jump in and correct

653
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.639
it, and then the whole room
would know that they were the asshole.

654
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:53.679
So I would be like, what
the fuck was Like, uh, what

655
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.719
did I say? Oh shit?
What was the one that? Really?

656
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.199
I know everybody at every office I've
worked at with you and who you hate

657
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:05.840
specifically. In my head, I'm
going through this rolodex which one you're talking

658
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.000
about? Like this person is the
stereotypical like actually kind of person? I

659
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.519
think I know who you're talking about. Yeah, I would have. I've

660
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.599
said something like like what is what
is F F fourteen stand for? Or

661
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:21.360
something? And then they would jump
in like really quickly, and then the

662
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:22.719
idea was to show them how much
of an asshole they were, but they

663
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.559
wouldn't even notice because they stuck out
or up their own ass. So then

664
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.079
the rest of the room and be
like, oh my god. So we

665
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.239
would always just like roll our eyes
when he asked a question that he knew

666
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.679
the answer to. Intentionally, I
loved when I worked in the same office

667
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.559
as Maharty, and I've worked in
numerous I've worked in three different offices with

668
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.440
Mike Mahrty. So this could be
anyone. But like if I heard someone

669
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.280
start talking and saying some bullshit and
I knew Mike would be pissed off.

670
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.800
I would turn to Mike, who's
with an earshot, and just see his

671
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.480
face. He would just be staring
daggers into me. It was like,

672
00:44:53.559 --> 00:45:00.239
I'm gonna fucking kill this guy or
girl. Could be anyone. It could

673
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:06.760
be anyone. Yeah, probably who
knows. Uh. Yeah, I'm not

674
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.199
ye. I don't usually hide it
too well when I know you just like

675
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:13.199
someone. No they know he did. Ah. Yeah, we did an

676
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:16.199
anonymous survey. Uh, I'm gonna
be like delicate about this. We did

677
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:22.920
an anonymous survey my company recently,
and you get anonymous points back where like

678
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:28.880
someone is like I love working remotely, or I wish that there were more

679
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.800
opportunities for growth. And they never
put the name, but they would have

680
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.880
anonymous pieces of feedback that we could
look at and be like, Okay,

681
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.159
I need to work on this or
I need to improve this, and my

682
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:44.000
team isn't very big, and they
gave me my anonymous feedback in one of

683
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.920
them was as a father of two, I think it's great, and I

684
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:52.119
was like, oh no, as
a six foot two father of two with

685
00:45:52.400 --> 00:46:00.960
light brown facial hair with blue eye
in this morning an actually three pound I

686
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.440
know, just after I said,
Hey, Mary, what's hanging? How

687
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.280
was your weekend? I had a
barbecue at my house with my wife,

688
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:12.440
Sally and my daughter's mommy. As
I drove home to Eldum Green Terrace.

689
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:16.920
Here's a satellite image of my house. Here's a photo of my face.

690
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.320
But anyway, I think this is
a great idea. It was lovely feedback,

691
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.400
and it was like totally fine,
but it made me be like so

692
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:28.199
like later I was like, just
so everybody knows, when you take these

693
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:34.239
anonymous surveys, don't say really specific
things about your life, because you know,

694
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.880
I should be enough. Mary farted
once and I didn't have the courage

695
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.199
teller. I heard it and smelled
it as I was celebrating my birthday on

696
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:47.559
March second. I was like,
oh no, I don't think you realized

697
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.599
that, or she It could be
anything. It could be anyone, could

698
00:46:51.599 --> 00:47:00.079
be anyone. Yeah, yeah,
that's I. We did like some and

699
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:01.960
not. This is not the same
thing at all. I was just telling

700
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:08.039
I forgot about this, uh at
just GameSpot mayor I think after you left.

701
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:14.519
We had these like we had this
week of like I forget what the

702
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.760
word whatever, like workshops and we
had different people come in and then we

703
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:21.320
kind of made workshops to teach people
certain things. It was like get the

704
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:24.440
international teams together when we had the
Australia when they had the Australia and UK

705
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:29.960
teams, And it was mainly like
us skill sharing and it was actually pretty

706
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:31.400
fun and useful. Is the reason
for us to all get together during the

707
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.960
day. And then you know,
I would teach people like how to good

708
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.400
practices for like writing a feature or
something as opposed to reviews and news.

709
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:47.000
But we also had some outside people
come in around then and we were sitting

710
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:51.239
in like a meeting room, and
this person was like, all right,

711
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:52.880
let's just I want to get to
know each other as a career development or

712
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.440
something that we were we kind of
had to attend. And this guy was

713
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.000
like, all right, so let's
start with you, Mike, what what

714
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:06.000
is your greatest Like he had gone
on the spiel and I was only greatest.

715
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.199
Yeah so the icebreaker. Yeah,
so he had been he had been

716
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:13.199
on the spiel and I was not
listening to the whole thing. So I

717
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.480
came out of like my trance and
I heard him say like, so,

718
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.320
Mike, what is your biggest fear? I was like being buried alive would

719
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:23.599
suck. And he's like, I
meant like career wise, yeah, this

720
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:28.239
is game journalism, Baby, I
don't know what's gonna happen. I was

721
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.440
like, wow, I completely misunderstood
this. And then there was that same

722
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.519
week. It was just god,
it was a bunch of clusterfucks. Yeah,

723
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:36.039
it was like we didn't realize.
I think it was Rob Handleery.

724
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.119
We someone was like, where's the
guy that you hated that I was referring

725
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:45.239
to earlier? Yeah, Rob Handler? Yeah the corrector Yeah, definitely away.

726
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.599
Yeah, but how much I hate
Rob Handler? I talk about that

727
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:51.719
all the time. Uh no,
like someone had we had been we were

728
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:57.320
supposed to submit like anonymous things to
this like uh after after this meeting,

729
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.760
we were supposed to submit something anonymously. But Rob answered the quest like two

730
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.559
in the meeting room and he's like, oh no, sorry, this supposed

731
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.000
to be anonymous. It's remember.
Rob's like, oh sorry, so sorry,

732
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.440
Yeah, I can't talk. You
know Rob does that when he's embarrassed

733
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:14.079
with I can't talk right now.
Grandma, did you steal the fake phone

734
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.559
call thing from Rob? Yes,
fake phone call thing? No, I

735
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:22.480
got the phone call thing from uh
hello fuck. It was an ebombs World

736
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.000
video back before YouTube. This guy
woke up like in his bedroom and there

737
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.039
was like a college dorm trash scattered
everywhere. A phone is reen so he

738
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.119
kept picking up different things. Oh
okay, say hello fuck hello fuck?

739
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.599
Okay, like a shoe, a
banana. Oh that's different. That's a

740
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.719
different bit than the grandma thing is
Rob hanleery mom. Like, So what

741
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.880
Rob does if he's in the middle
of doing something like a bit and it

742
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.320
doesn't land, He puts his hand
up to his ear and goes, oh,

743
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.280
sorry, I gotta take this mom, yeah, sorry, and he

744
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.639
walks away. I can't talk right
now, an escape. Yeah, but

745
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:59.039
it is funnier that he does the
hand because I assume his phone's in his

746
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.239
pocket and that would make better prop. So the hand is funnier, right,

747
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:07.320
yeah. Yeah. When he traveled
with us a couple of years ago

748
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:14.360
and we were all at a bar
with uh, We were just drinking at

749
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:17.519
a bar, me, Rob in
a couple buds, and a local started

750
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.639
drinking with us, and we were
just having a really good time. We

751
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.760
were all getting along really well,
and Mike was, uh, I think

752
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:27.079
Mike, I think Rob said something
like casually, what a great night.

753
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.599
I'll have these memories forever. It
was really sweet, and he was like,

754
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:30.079
I have to go to the bathroom. So he leaves and goes to

755
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.960
the bathroom, and right like,
as he goes, the cool guy we

756
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.639
were drinking with was like, we
have to take a photo. This is

757
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.719
like such a fun evening. We
have to remember this. It was not

758
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:44.760
intentional, no one had bad like, there wasn't any reason that it just

759
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:49.079
it just naturally happened like this.
And so the guy you know takes his

760
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.239
phone down and starts taking selfies and
right as he's taking selfies. Rob comes

761
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:58.400
back from the bathroom and sees us
taking photos without him, and he's just

762
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:02.920
like, what the fuck is happening? And he starts freaking out and he

763
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.280
called. He fake calls his mom
and he's like, come get me.

764
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.760
My evening, they took a whole
bunch of photos at me and the guy

765
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.920
like, we don't know him that
well, and he's like, what's going

766
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:19.639
on? He does, get me, mom, Come get me was always

767
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:25.599
really funny talk. We we're close
to offending him that night, but he

768
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:34.519
was fine. He always bounces back
video games, Jump Bob, come get

769
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:40.239
me, Let's do it. Mary. Last episode, you said that,

770
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.079
correct me if I'm wrong. You
said you don't really if you beat Animal

771
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.840
Wealth, there could still be a
lot to do, but you said you

772
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.599
finished it. Now did you really
finish it or are you just saying that

773
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:58.320
I have not. I don't know
if you can finish Animal Unravels. Yeah,

774
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:05.480
I rolled credits fifteen minutes after I
talk to you, Dan, if

775
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.000
that makes sense, Like it was
fifteen more minutes of gameplay since the last

776
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:12.880
time we talked about Animal Well,
and then I podcast correct got it,

777
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.679
So it was only fifteen minutes since
getting the four beacons lit or whatever,

778
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:21.280
so it was a really quick turnaround
to rolling credits. But once the credits

779
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:23.559
roll, and again, I'm gonna
be really careful because I think Animal Well

780
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:31.119
is fantastic, and I really encourage
people to play this Metroidvania esque game where

781
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:36.800
you are getting items and the game
doesn't explain what they are or how you

782
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.639
use them, and so you have
to play around with them to understand how

783
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:45.039
mechanically they work in the world.
I do think that because it's so ambiguous,

784
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:46.880
it can be frustrating for some people
who are like, but I don't

785
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:50.719
know what to do or where to
go, And that is a problem that

786
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:58.639
I'm facing now because my only hint
after the credits rolled was gaps in my

787
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:00.800
map. Right, I'd be like, oh, this area of the map

788
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:05.199
is black, so I obviously have
never been here before, so I will

789
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.920
travel there and I will I will
look into it. But there were actually

790
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:12.639
a lot of places in the time
in that game that I had been to,

791
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:14.400
but I was like, I don't
know how to get through that,

792
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.000
or like, I don't know what
to do here, and I left and

793
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.320
it turns out there's secrets in there, and it's very difficult to traverse.

794
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.039
Now there's no fast travel outside of
the warps. Yeah, I mean that

795
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:29.000
is the well I mean, did
you do the Okay, at this point,

796
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.039
let's just open season on spoilers here, so fast forward if you don't,

797
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:37.920
I don't think so. No,
okay, we don't tell only like

798
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.639
three weeks old. Well, so
are you saying the only way to fast

799
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:44.960
travel is to travel to the hub
room like manual, like to walk there?

800
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:55.960
Yes? Oh oh oh, I
won't elaborate. There's a way to

801
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:05.000
do it. I've been way Yeah, I've been waiting for a faster travel

802
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:13.079
system. I think is my heart
going to be broken? You could make

803
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:17.199
your life a lot easier. Oh, this game, this game is so

804
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:22.960
frustrating because like I got some items. I've been getting things and I don't

805
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.760
think I fully understand how all of
them work. What items do you have?

806
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:35.239
I have a flute, I have
a spinning top. Like I haven't

807
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:37.760
played the game, managin. I
know you haven't because I think it is

808
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.199
the flute, but I don't understand. Like I've been to the fast travel

809
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:47.360
hub and it's very effective, but
it's also very limiting. To be like

810
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:51.320
I have to get one to one
of my fast travel stations in order to

811
00:54:51.400 --> 00:55:00.760
travel around, and it's just been
talk about it offline after Yeah, yeah,

812
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:05.239
okay, just know the game has
thought of this. Of course it

813
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:09.719
has. Okay, I was I'll
say I was observant and tried things and

814
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:19.119
was rewarded for it. I hate
you, Dan is right? No record

815
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:24.480
the part where I hate you and
then when that no, yeah, they

816
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:29.480
And it also does not have like
that Prince of Persia, like you know,

817
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.480
easy one button press, take a
screenshot, put it on your map

818
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:36.559
type thing. So like everything you're
saying about the map and it getting frustrating

819
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:38.559
is very true where it's like you're
hunting for pixels that like, wait is

820
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:40.800
that filled in? Have I not
been? Have I not tried that corner

821
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.800
of that room? And then you
have to like, well, especially if

822
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:46.920
you're you're you're walking the whole way, uh, it takes a while to

823
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.920
get there to just check it out
to be like, oh right, it

824
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:53.000
was that thing I couldn't do.
You know, Yeah, I wish I

825
00:55:53.159 --> 00:56:01.239
had thought about this a bit more
and understood how I could fast travel,

826
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:06.400
But if I had also thought ahead
of time, and I was in an

827
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.079
area with a puzzle I could not
solve. I should have marked it on

828
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:15.639
my map and like written on my
map what I wanted, and I couldn't.

829
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:20.440
I didn't articulate that, and so
now I'm like not really sure where

830
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:24.360
all the puzzles that I left unsolved
are. What are you playing on on

831
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:28.039
the steam deck? Okay? I
was too, and like you know,

832
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.000
switches screenshot thing is just so quick
and snappy and easy to get to an

833
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:35.440
access Steam deck. I'm sure it
has the functionality, but like, I

834
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:38.079
don't think I've ever taken my screenshot
on steam Deck? Have you? I

835
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:43.440
don't think I've taken a screen shot
on my Steam deck. I think there

836
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:49.079
is, but I haven't done it. I very boomer style take a photo

837
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.719
of my Steam deck. I was
doing that. Yeah, and I have

838
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.960
photos of both Animal Well and the
other game I'm talking about on my phone.

839
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:00.880
You just got to press and hold
the Steam button and the R one

840
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:05.840
trigger in Unison. That's funny.
I don't think I've ever seen that like

841
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.119
pop up or anything like that.
So it's also annoying to activate a code

842
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:12.800
on steam Deck as well, Like
to go, you have to go settings

843
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:15.119
and then library and then activate a
game or something. Yeah, it's it's

844
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:19.920
so rare that like Nintendo and hardware
and the way you do something is like

845
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.280
the more simple, elegant way because
usually Nintendo's so far behind and all that

846
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:25.440
stuff. But like that screenshot buttons. Actually it's limited to thirty seconds for

847
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:29.480
video, but like the screen shots, like remember Mario w see stuff,

848
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:31.079
it would have those puzzles and like
take a picture, easy to get back

849
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:37.840
to, here's the Kingdom. Same
thing. Yeah, steam Deck. I

850
00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:42.400
have never used it on steam Deck
either. So Mary, so have you?

851
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.000
You've seen credits and you're still going, is that what's going on?

852
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.800
Yeah? I think I have thirty
six eggs. I don't know what's normal

853
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.880
or an appropriate amount, but I
feel like i've I have a very strong

854
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:57.239
selection of eggs. I'm still really
enjoying the game. I think I even

855
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.159
this was really frustrating. I think
I even know what the travel system will

856
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:04.679
be. I just didn't. I
didn't. I don't know. I don't

857
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:06.960
tell me what you think it is, and I'm just going to stare straight

858
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.920
ahead and not respond. Okay,
there are these like beacons that are throughout

859
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.280
the game, and They're like they
look like little posts with a ball on

860
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:21.199
it. And I've tried playing my
flute and I've tried spinning my little top

861
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:25.280
near them, and I haven't seen
anything. But I think these simple beacon

862
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:30.440
structures probably like zips at me to
different areas on the map I see.

863
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:37.400
Oh my god. I I wish
sometimes that this game was a little bit

864
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:43.719
more talky, because I could have
saved myself so many boobless hours if I

865
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:49.440
just knew how to get there.
And I've been really adamant that I will

866
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:53.079
be genuine in my playthrough of Animal
Well that I would not look up how

867
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:57.280
to get things done. And I've
been pretty accurate to that, but almost

868
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.440
to a detriment, because there are
some puzzles are very difficult to solve without

869
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:04.119
someone explaining it to you. I
mean, when they sent the codes out,

870
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.880
they specifically were saying like, Hey, this is a game that is

871
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.679
best experienced talking to people about the
things you've discovered, and like they had

872
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.199
a pre release discord server where it's
like, hey, here's for press to

873
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.000
talk about things that they've talked about, and like and I kind of did

874
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:19.119
what you're doing where I didn't want
to go in there. I was like,

875
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.599
I want to discover these mysteries for
myself, and so I never joined

876
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.639
the discord or anything, but everyone
I've talked to that did that was like,

877
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:25.880
yeah, it's actually kind of probably
the way to go. So I

878
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:30.960
do think it's intended to like share
nology, if not like outright Google,

879
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.960
what does this do? How do
I do this? I think this type

880
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:38.480
of back and forth is like encouraged
by the developer. Yeah, I think

881
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:43.800
that's fair, But I also think, like as an experience, it's sometimes

882
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.920
hard for me to swallow that I
should have like talked to someone about that

883
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:52.159
game a little bit more to understand
it. I felt the same way with

884
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:59.679
the last Silent Hill demo. Pt
PT very clearly was constructed in a way

885
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:05.280
that was we want you communicating as
a as a globe about what you think

886
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.320
you're supposed to do next with the
phone. Remember how everyone's like trying to

887
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:15.320
solve that game. I was playing
that game live on a stream for three

888
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:20.719
hours trying to figure out how to
get to the ending, and I couldn't

889
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.800
trigger it, and we needed to
talk to more people, I think in

890
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:28.920
order to solve it. I found
that really frustrating that the game just wasn't

891
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:34.719
solvable unless someone told you what to
do. So that's fine, and that

892
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.920
can be the design, but I
think I prefer and get more enjoyment out

893
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:43.719
of a game that is like we're
gonna give you enough hints for you to

894
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.519
get there. I will say I
will say that the times that I have

895
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:52.519
figured it out and stumbled across a
solution has been joyous. It is extremely

896
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.679
fun to finally figure out how to
manipulate an animal or how to use an

897
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.280
item in a different way, perhaps
for trivor soul or something. It is

898
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:07.199
extremely fun when it does happen.
So yeah, I think I'm kind of

899
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.559
with you on on this, because
like there is a certain portion of people

900
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.400
that are talking about like this is
like one of the greatest games ever.

901
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.800
They're obsessed, They're going to see
the ending after the ending ending. It

902
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:19.400
is a great game, and I
really enjoyed my time with it. But

903
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.559
I spent like nine hours with it. I saw the first set of credits

904
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:23.800
and then I was like, all
right, people keep talking about like this

905
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.039
is where the real game starts.
Here's where you know, and I was

906
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.440
like, let's get some more eggs. Let's do this. But I did

907
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:34.119
run into what you're describing, Mary, where it's like kind of frustrating,

908
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:37.039
kind of banging your head against some
stuff, kind of wasting time going around

909
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.800
the map to things that don't lead
anywhere. And I was just kind of

910
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.719
like, you know what, I
had a good, you know, nine

911
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.920
hours with it. I saw credits. I feel like I had a in

912
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.559
my head. I feel I had
a full experience with that game. So

913
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:52.039
I did stop there. I don't
intend on going back. I respect that

914
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.320
there is that much more, and
I've got friends that are like going super

915
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:58.519
duper hard on it, and there
are thirty forty fifty hours in going crazy

916
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:02.159
with it and tons of notebook stuff
and every but I just didn't I felt

917
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:06.480
like I was okay backing out after
the first set of credits. I think

918
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:08.920
that's fair. I will say that
at this point, and it can always

919
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.480
change, because you never know.
I think that this will be in my

920
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:19.280
personal top ten. I think it's
extraordinarily good for the twenty twenty four game

921
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:23.280
releases, and I love it.
I also will not one hundred percent this

922
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:27.239
game. I do not have the
patience for it, and I have I

923
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.119
have gotten too frustrated too many times, being like I don't know what this

924
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:34.039
game wants me to do, and
because I'm trying not to look things up,

925
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.519
I'm just stuck sore. But I've
enjoyed my time with it, and

926
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:42.159
I do fully recommend this game.
I would say, we've talked about this

927
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:46.519
before, but I have different recommendation
levels based on how much of a gamer

928
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:51.719
I perceive someone to be. I
would not recommend this for a casual gamer.

929
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:54.719
I really would not. Mary.
I think everything you're saying is like

930
01:02:54.880 --> 01:03:00.440
a direct segue into what I feel
about Lorelay and the Laser Eyes. Get

931
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:02.920
it, Okay, So you were
literally as soon as you started talking about

932
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:06.760
it being ambiguous and everything, I
made a note to like, yeah,

933
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:10.639
that this is that time's a billion
I think so, Laura Lane. Laser

934
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:15.440
Eyes is Steam and Switch like Animal
Oil, and it is a puzzle game

935
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:19.440
and a purna right, Am I
wrong? That sounds right? Some mogo

936
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.800
I thought they did Device nine.
Let me look it up. Okay,

937
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:28.840
but yes, very much a puzzle
game and everything about it publisher and an

938
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:34.440
Okay, we're both right, Yeah, go ahead, it is. It

939
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:37.320
is. It's got a really cool
style to it. I saw people.

940
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.360
Somebody described it as like if David
Lynch designed an escape room, and I

941
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:44.239
think that's probably a pretty good way
to put it. It's like very kind

942
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:46.559
of monochromatic with a little bit of
red put in there. But you're a

943
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:52.159
woman that goes into a hotel and
there's just from the moment you get in

944
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:55.320
there and start analyzing things like there's
one button. There's only one button.

945
01:03:55.320 --> 01:04:00.239
You move around and impress any button
basically to interact, deal with the menus,

946
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:04.400
slash and do puzzles. Walking walking
is just like anaalg stick and then

947
01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:13.119
like context sensitive action button. Yes, so so yeah, you'll you'll look

948
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:15.159
at something you know, it's a
phone, it's a door, it's a

949
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:16.719
statue, it's a puzzle, it's
a notebook, it's something like this,

950
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:21.440
and everything you interact with goes into
like your your menu. So it's like

951
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:26.239
there's like a photographic memory thing where
it's like everything you've seen you can look

952
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:29.119
at. There's like a journal where
it'll tell you like timestamped, like here's

953
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:30.199
where you solve this, here's where
you open this door, here's where you

954
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:33.559
found this thing, Here's where you
saw a dog. So everything is kind

955
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.480
of like there's an inventory you get
like a game Boy thing, like there's

956
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.760
this is a type of game where
you need to have a calculator and you

957
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:45.639
need to have a notebook to kind
of track everything. And that really intrigued

958
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:49.639
me a lot because I love shit
like The Witness or Fez where I do

959
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:54.519
feel like I'm like deciphering something,
like I always love logic puzzles back in

960
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:58.280
school and stuff, and last year
was good, and that type of said

961
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:00.760
yeah, yeah, so this is
like in that conversation, but it is

962
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:06.440
way more intimidating in terms of like
as you're walking around that hotel the first

963
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:12.559
time, you're gonna like add thirty
forty entries into your like, hey,

964
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.400
you gotta unlock this thing. You
got to put this cube into this thing.

965
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:16.480
There's a hole here, what are
you gonna do with that here?

966
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:23.280
And like everywhere you look there's another
thing getting added and very rarely are things

967
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:26.639
getting solved. And so it's a
lot of looking around, a lot of

968
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:30.280
questions, not a lot of answers. When you do find the answers to

969
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.920
something, it is very satisfying.
Like there are fun puzzles, there's a

970
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:39.000
lot of math and logic going in
math, there is a good amount of

971
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:42.599
math, like for shortcuts in the
hotel. Yeah, alind math, but

972
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.960
like I'm surprised math puzzles. It's
like, yeah, here's a four y

973
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:49.400
four grid and here's a bunch of
numbers and there's three question marks in there,

974
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:51.400
so like what would those numbers be? And you have to figure out

975
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:54.679
like, okay, so that was
four eight sixteen. Okay, so we're

976
01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:56.840
timsing by two, and then we
got to like there's a lot of just

977
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.920
deciphering just to like unlock a shortcut. But then more than not, it's

978
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:04.280
more confusing where it's like here's a
statue with a three by three grid on

979
01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:08.960
a statue's head and it's just a
bunch of letters and there's like a keypad

980
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.320
next to it, but it doesn't
seem to like tie to that at all,

981
01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:14.440
and there's no real direction, so
you're like trying to find a notepad

982
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:16.280
with you're trying to read like oh, maybe the date is something, or

983
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:18.760
this name maybe if I try to
call that name on the phone. But

984
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:21.800
then there's this woman, this old
woman that's asleep and a bed and I

985
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:24.880
can type in anything. It says
like what do you want to say to

986
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.000
her? And I can type in
any word and there's like a doctor's note

987
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:30.320
next to her that says like,
oh, she responds to verbal stimuli about

988
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.039
her place of work and her life. And it's like, well, I

989
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.159
don't know shit about her. It's
like I need to find a note about

990
01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:39.079
her life and just say names from
these notes, and nothing's working. And

991
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:44.119
it's just it's the few times that
I did like crack the code on something,

992
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:45.000
I was like, oh my god, this is fucking amazing. I

993
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.840
love this shy what's happening? Ninety
percent of the time, yeah, ninety

994
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:50.920
percent of the time, I'm like, Okay, where do I go now?

995
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.519
And I'll look at my list of
things to do and I'm like,

996
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:57.440
man, I don't have the slightest
lead on any of this shit. And

997
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.199
they try to kind of give you
a little bit of breadcrumbing where it's so

998
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:02.559
if you followed the red like oh, there's bloody footprints, there's some red

999
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:06.239
pixels here, you know, trying
to like lightly guide you towards things.

1000
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.719
Even when I was trying to do
that and like take their guidance, I

1001
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:14.280
would just walk into a room and
just be like, uh okay, there's

1002
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:16.719
these architect plans here, there's this
door over here where the keep hat,

1003
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:20.320
and it's just like most of my
time was standing in rooms and walking around

1004
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:24.840
a hotel being like I don't even
know where to start. So I felt

1005
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:29.400
very smart and very stupid, mostly
stupid playing this. But it it seems

1006
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:31.239
like if you're if you play an
hour of this and you feel like it's

1007
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:35.559
clicking with you, I bet it's
incredibly rewarding, because I've heard from people

1008
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:38.960
who've played through it that like the
stuff later on, the game gets even

1009
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:42.679
way more insane. With this stuff. There's a lot of people who are

1010
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:49.800
really smart who want extremely challenging puzzle
style games like Baba is You and that

1011
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:56.639
Boat one where Oberton Obton the Boat. I'm really glad that you got that.

1012
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:01.679
You know, that boat game that
insists upon itself, I do had.

1013
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:05.639
I really struggled with both of those
games because they challenged me to such

1014
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:11.719
a degree that more than me saying
ah, I am a smart person and

1015
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:16.560
that makes me feel good, I
felt stupid and insecure and not confident that

1016
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:23.079
I was having fun. I feel
like I'm getting there, I think,

1017
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:26.000
but I don't know if I'm enjoying
myself. I don't know if this is

1018
01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:29.520
fun for me to talk. I
feel like Baba Is You is like a

1019
01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:33.439
game for babies compared to this,
Like I in terms of like the progress

1020
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:36.640
I made like Baba Is You,
I kind of moved through that pretty quick,

1021
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:39.960
didn't beat it, but like I
was able to get really far level

1022
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:42.279
in Baba's You. I don't remember
exactly what it is, but there's a

1023
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:45.479
point in Baba's You where I feel
like collectively every gamer was like, oh

1024
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:47.800
fuck, ought to here. I
definitely not out that at some point.

1025
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:55.239
I Lourle Lorlai is polite enough to
get to that point way earlier in case

1026
01:08:55.239 --> 01:09:01.000
I went back out. Yeah,
I think a really very polite way for

1027
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:05.239
you to say that this game is
It's not a bad game, it's just

1028
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:11.600
for a very specific audience. And
I felt that very much playing ober Din,

1029
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:17.079
and I've started to become aware of
my limits with that type of game

1030
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:19.560
design. So I don't know if
that sounds like it's for me, But

1031
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:23.760
I have to say all the other
things that you said is something that I

1032
01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:26.880
would like. I love that color. I think it has a very unique

1033
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:30.079
style and design. I like one
button concepts where it's like this could be

1034
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.560
anything, like, go figure it
out. I don't want to have my

1035
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:40.399
gamer notebook filled with like forty pages
of you know, there is a phone

1036
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.960
and there's a weird number that I
have to deal. It can't be that

1037
01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:47.840
complicated. It needs to be solvable
to a degree within the room. I

1038
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.640
think is nice? Resident Evil does
that really well? It'll be like everything

1039
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:54.239
you fucking need is in this room. Figure it out, super not that

1040
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:57.880
this is Hey, take everything you
have seen with your eyes for the last

1041
01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:00.520
four hours and try to figure it
out. You know, it's it's a

1042
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.359
lot. I think I deeply respect
everything that I saw from this, and

1043
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:10.800
I think I'm too stupid too progress. Yes, and I'm good. I

1044
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.880
honestly think I am. I'm good
at logic puzzles. I am good at

1045
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.239
this type of stuff. Like thenest
type plays with me quickly? Did you

1046
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:20.600
did you play Case to the Golden
Idol last year? No? Two years

1047
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:26.000
ago? Okay? This is there's
an email asking us like, have you

1048
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:29.760
ever recommended something that don't like?
Is right up someone's alley that they still

1049
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:31.880
have not played or like refuse to
play. In twenty twenty two. There

1050
01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:34.359
was an episode where I tried to
tell you guys that you would both love

1051
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:38.720
the Case the Golden Idol, and
as a bit you kind of like ignored

1052
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:42.399
me. It's logic puzzles where you're
piecing together a murder based on these like

1053
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:45.880
you're setting these scenes and then you
have to like piece together the verbs and

1054
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:50.359
the weapons and the stuff in the
on the sheets and they get increasingly more

1055
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:56.520
complex. But that game is like
a masterclass and never getting too It gets

1056
01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:00.840
very complex, but it doesn't get
like, uh, it doesn't get like

1057
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:04.319
opaque ever. Okay, I'm gonna
get it right now because it's great on

1058
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:09.279
steam Deck, but like, oh
okay, it's I'm trying to describe it.

1059
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:12.159
You get like this static scene,
like almost like a point and click

1060
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.319
adventure looking scene, and then you
have to basically solve the murder and what

1061
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:19.239
really happened. Sometimes the murder sometimes
like you're clicking around like these I Spy

1062
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:26.479
kind of esque scenes of like cross
sections of mansions and you're like, oh,

1063
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:29.600
okay, so now this is the
servants quarters, Like I know that

1064
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:31.720
that person left to go get milk
that one day and then this person came

1065
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:36.560
like Case the Golden Idlis honestly,
like, aside from Elden Ring and Vampire

1066
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:40.000
Survivors, I think it was my
number three game of twenty twenty two and

1067
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:44.359
we talked about it a bit,
did but like, did you play it?

1068
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:47.640
Mary? How did I? I
think I told you that I would

1069
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:53.920
play. Yeah, like I think
Jake and I talked about it. This

1070
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:58.560
game honestly it sounds like exactly what
you guys we are looking for from Lurlei

1071
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:01.319
and like even parts of Animal well, but like all right, I download

1072
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:05.600
that. Oh man, it's it's
it's in terms of like puzzle games,

1073
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:09.359
like I thought Chance of Sinnara was
pretty good last year. What was the

1074
01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:12.119
other puzzle game last year that?
Uh? Oh yeah, I did like

1075
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.520
Waves, but oh god, Case
of the Golden Idol and they came out

1076
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.800
of the DLC. I've been meaning
to go back to. That's what reminded

1077
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:20.520
me. Yeah, I'm the complete
edition with everything, so I'll alter.

1078
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:26.199
Yeah, it's oh my god,
I fucking that game is logic puzzles about

1079
01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.279
murders and crimes, and like I
think it's like eighteenth century it's supposed to

1080
01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:32.640
be. So you're like at this
tavern where you know, like you're finding

1081
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:35.680
out that there was a murder upstairs, so then you're kind of like surveying

1082
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:40.680
the scene and then clicking through like
people's belongings in their desks, and then

1083
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:44.439
going between the rooms and then like
seeing what's in this person's pocket, and

1084
01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.720
you're like, oh, interesting.
But then that game gets very good at

1085
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:56.720
like that's it's one of those like
it's a very good crime investigation game as

1086
01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:59.439
well, because half of the puzzles
are about like, all right, I've

1087
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:04.039
been a suoning this was fact this
whole time, and now I'm hitting a

1088
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:06.199
dead dead end, so I need
to go back to the beginning and look

1089
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:10.520
at like what I was assuming and
what I can pick apart. It's it's

1090
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.760
really good that you know, I
want to replay it looking for something to

1091
01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:15.920
play right now like that actually maybe
when you recommended it before, it was

1092
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.600
just in the middle of the lunch
ship like because that does soundly and we

1093
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:23.960
listen to you, but we do. Yeah, it became a bit and

1094
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:26.520
then like you guys are like,
no, I still haven't played it,

1095
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:30.479
and like that's shame on both of
you, for we've grown as people.

1096
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:34.279
We're better, We're always a work
in progress, Mike, I actually think

1097
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:36.800
it's more of a reflection on you. I think it's a reflection on you

1098
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:43.159
for not being supportive of game developers. Mary, you're not growing with me,

1099
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:50.119
so you're also stifled. What does
that mean that Nixon's campaign slogan you're

1100
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:58.079
not growing with me? And then
also there's like this cool through line for

1101
01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:00.439
all those all the levels whatever you
want to call them in case of Golden

1102
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:03.399
NIDL, where you start to see
like, oh, I see what the

1103
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:06.239
overall story is here. It's not
like hokey or gimmicky. It's just like,

1104
01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:10.600
oh, interesting, these were all
kind of connected. Yeah, the

1105
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.760
game's awesome. I want to replay
it now that the DLCs out. Between

1106
01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.039
that and Vampire Survivors, I think
those might be my playing games for Paris.

1107
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:18.560
Actual pretty excited. But that sounds
great. Yeah, and I'll be

1108
01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:23.079
on the SGF flight soon, so
maybe i'll play that. Yeah. Oh,

1109
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:26.279
it's a great flight game because like
half the time you're just like kind

1110
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:30.359
of you're not always interacting. Now
that's not true. It's just like it's

1111
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:33.279
one of those games like it's just
fun to kind of like look at the

1112
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:36.119
screen and not do anything. Else
for like ten minutes at a time,

1113
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:41.039
being like what am I missing here? But it's very much like a crime,

1114
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:45.800
like oh my god, like it's
hits you out of nowhere when like

1115
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:47.079
you go put it down to go
to the bathroom and get a drink or

1116
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:50.720
something like, oh I was assuming
that dude had done that. But yeah,

1117
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:54.039
they tell you when you when you
put the thing in the right spot,

1118
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:59.199
they'll they'll I forget exactly how it
works, but I think it's just

1119
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:02.520
really good feedback loop throughout the whole
game. I like that game quite a

1120
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:06.199
bit. Nice. Okay, I'm
excited. I will try. Yeah,

1121
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:10.479
it's gonna be that's gonna be funny
if that gets like best game that didn't

1122
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:13.119
come out this year when I've just
been talking about it for two years.

1123
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:15.520
I have been talking about for two
years straight. But man, I think

1124
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.439
Jake and I were the ones we
talked talked about this game. I think

1125
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:20.880
on it too. So I've probably
heard about this a ton and just yeah,

1126
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:29.960
tried it. It's not Rob recommends
it. We got Yeah, yeah,

1127
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.439
I'm eager to see what you think. I have a recommendation for you,

1128
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:38.800
Mike. Okay, So I played
again Total War war Hammer. Is

1129
01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:41.880
this a bit? You're got a
total war Warhammer? And I was like,

1130
01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.079
this has got Mike written all over
it. Okay, sick, I'll

1131
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:48.359
check it out. I played a
game that's heavily inspired by both Resident Evil

1132
01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:53.159
and Silent Hell, and it's called
Crow Country. Oh this is on my

1133
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:58.000
list? Is it good? It's
very good. It's on my It's like

1134
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:03.039
number two on my list of games. A fantastic game for people who enjoy

1135
01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:06.720
those series, people who are looking
for a spoopy game to play. But

1136
01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:12.800
it's not too difficult. They have
a really good concept. Let me let

1137
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:16.520
me back up. You are a
detective who has been asked to go to

1138
01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:23.760
an old, abandoned musement park to
find a missing person. As soon as

1139
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:29.720
you get to this amusement park,
shit starts going down. Weird, creepy,

1140
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:33.920
kind of like messed up humanoid esque
monsters are coming at you. It

1141
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:39.239
has I'm probably not gonna say this
properly, but it has like tank esque

1142
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:43.359
controls. Right. It is old
school. It feels and looks like a

1143
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:51.039
PlayStation one era, but it has
all the detail that you need and it's

1144
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:54.600
it's not to be clear, it's
not like eight bit or anything like it.

1145
01:16:55.039 --> 01:17:00.359
It has like good graphics, but
it is it is meant to look

1146
01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:03.439
like an old school game, and
it does an excellent job at freaking you

1147
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:08.159
out, because much like those games
back then, you had to kind of

1148
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:14.159
sometimes fill in what these monsters looked
like because they weren't extraordinarily vivid. So

1149
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:20.840
seeing a blob that has kind of
guts and meat looking pieces and then some

1150
01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:25.079
eyes, you're like, is that
like a melted person? Like? It

1151
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:29.760
has a fucked up style to some
of the monsters that I think people will

1152
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:35.760
enjoy. There are excellent puzzles.
They have done a good job with having

1153
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:41.520
you run the map. Just like
both of these games, you have to

1154
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.520
find the map on the wall in
order for you to see it, and

1155
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.279
then it will tell you. I
think it's great. Like Silent Hill,

1156
01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:53.560
it circles an area in red when
there's a puzzle there you haven't bet yet,

1157
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:57.640
and when you've beaten the area,
it uncircles it automatically for you,

1158
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:01.520
so you do not waste your time
constantly going back to the boiler room.

1159
01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:05.840
You've solved that area, baby like
you need to be in the theater.

1160
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:11.199
It's great at guiding the It does
not tell you what to do. It

1161
01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.439
softly guides you. It's obvious.
There's times when, like you will.

1162
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:21.680
You will be like walking down the
aisle of some area and a huge number

1163
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:27.880
will be like twenty twenty zero seventy
two will be on the ground. You'll

1164
01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.760
be like, I need to write
that down, and it will one hundred

1165
01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:34.199
percent come back to play very quickly. This game is generous, but it

1166
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:43.600
will push you to solve all these
puzzles. I think it's just fantastically designed,

1167
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:48.159
and it's so obviously designed in the
love of these old school games.

1168
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:53.039
So if you loved Silent Hell and
Resident Evil, this is a This is

1169
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:56.560
a must play in my opinion for
people who loved these games. It is

1170
01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.720
spot on. It's done an excellent
job. I'm gonna that's on my list

1171
01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:05.680
for sure. That's right up there
with Laura Lai. I want to check

1172
01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:10.560
it out. I play. So
what was the game? I think also

1173
01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:14.079
twenty twenty two was a Signalis,
which I fucking love. That was Yes,

1174
01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:20.560
we llis Resident Evil meets a bit
of Alien almost yeah? Correct?

1175
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:25.600
Yeah, And I think if you
and I both bonded off of Signalis,

1176
01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:30.800
this is this year's Signalis. It's
it's really brilliantly put to gey. I

1177
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.720
finished it in one sitting. I
think it took seven hours, but I

1178
01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:38.039
did not get up from my couch. I played this on my steam deck

1179
01:19:38.119 --> 01:19:40.800
in one sitting. I was addicted. I played it until three thirty in

1180
01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:44.199
the morning. Oh wow, Yeah, okay, maybe I'll play that.

1181
01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:46.680
Like I don't know, I'm I'm
torn. I'm definitely gonna bring like my

1182
01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:49.800
steam deck or my switch for the
flights, but I probably won't be playing

1183
01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:54.000
games. I'm not gonna be playing
games during the vacation. But I like,

1184
01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:55.800
do you think that'd be a good
playing game or is that something that's

1185
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:59.239
better when I'm like hanging out at
home in the dark, et cetera.

1186
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.079
I mean, that's a really good
question. I like scary movies on planes,

1187
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.680
and so I think I would like
a scary game on a plane,

1188
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:12.640
but not everybody is a freak like
that. I really like horror movies on

1189
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:15.520
planes. I don't know why.
There's something about being a tube in the

1190
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:20.560
sky that I think suits itself well
for scary games and movies. So I

1191
01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:24.199
would do it, but I don't
think it's for everybody. Thought i'd like

1192
01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:30.079
to be more anxious on planes was
great. Yeah, I guess I don't

1193
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:31.600
have a fear of flying, like
it doesn't bother me. But yeah,

1194
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:38.600
have I told you I can't play
platformers on planes. Really, I'm generally

1195
01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:42.239
better. I used to really not
like turbulence. I'm generally better about it

1196
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:47.640
like these days. But platformers,
for some reason, I get so into

1197
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:54.319
the game that it's hard to explain. It's the fact that, like the

1198
01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:58.920
games revolve around not falling, and
like I'm saying, trying to put myself

1199
01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:00.640
in the character shoes, like I
make this jump, like I got to

1200
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.920
time this perfectly, and then the
plane like jiggles a bit. I'm like,

1201
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:09.199
oh, like I can't like justify
what's happening in real life. I

1202
01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:12.159
was saying with the game, it's
weird. Oh I played like all of

1203
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:15.800
Mario went on. Basically I wish
I would because that's that literally is the

1204
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:17.800
game. The last game that prompted
is something I can't I can't do it.

1205
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:21.760
I don't know what it is.
I get so jumpy. There's that

1206
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:25.960
specific quality I look for in playing
game, and like we we have the

1207
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:28.520
best playing game category, and it's
the ones where time melts Away. It's

1208
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:30.319
Vampire Survivors. It's for me.
It's across three D. It's those ones

1209
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:34.199
where like I'll just put on a
podcast and just like get lost in something,

1210
01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:36.600
and that's kind of a rare thing, and so when I find one,

1211
01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:40.199
I will like be like, I'm
saving this for these flights I have

1212
01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:44.439
coming up. You know, I've
I've got Vampire Survivors, the guns DLC

1213
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:49.760
that I'm holding off for. And
then what else did I just I've read,

1214
01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:54.000
down downloaded Enter the Gungeon. That
game is still really good. I

1215
01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:59.920
was, I was playing well recently. I like, I like games where

1216
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:03.000
you die, you finish around and
you either make it or you die.

1217
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:11.039
Roagulikes. Yes, that's exactly I
try to say. Blunky it was a

1218
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:17.239
really great one. That DC was
great a game where like I have time

1219
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:20.760
for one more round, and when
the round ends, whether or not I

1220
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:26.479
survive or die, then I will
stare at the back of this seat I

1221
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:31.000
I need. This is the first
year since I started working like in an

1222
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:36.359
adjacent to the games industry that I'm
very behind on games. My I'm keeping

1223
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:39.279
up with games as often as I
can. But I was telling you guys,

1224
01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:42.079
bore me with live. It's like
so much of the games I'm playing

1225
01:22:42.199 --> 01:22:45.239
now for work, it's not like, oh, what's new, what's new,

1226
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.079
what's new. Often it's like we
have a specific project with the client.

1227
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.880
I'm playing games that are anywhere from
three to five years old, like

1228
01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:57.479
for research. So it's very much
more pointed research. So and then by

1229
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.840
you know, by the time I
have to play something i'm gonna enjoy,

1230
01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:03.840
it's not always like I'm too I'm
almost too drained to play something new.

1231
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:06.279
So I'm just like, I'll go
back to Warhammer three for a bit.

1232
01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:10.800
Have we talked about Total war Warmmer
three before on this show? I don't

1233
01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:18.239
mention, gotcha? Yeah I play
that still. But yeah, I've got

1234
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:21.439
my point being, I've got I'm
gonna have to do like a staycation at

1235
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:24.920
some point, like a day or
two and catch up on games so I'm

1236
01:23:24.920 --> 01:23:27.239
not useless by the time we get
to our game of the year discussion.

1237
01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:30.800
Oh, I've played Prince. I
mean I've I've played most Animal. Well,

1238
01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:35.399
I need to play door Aleul.
You give you a cheat sheet of

1239
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.960
like, hey, here are the
big ones. Here are the big ones.

1240
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:40.800
Oh, so, to be clear, I'm aware of what they are.

1241
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.880
I read, I'm up to date. It's just I haven't gotten hands

1242
01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:51.159
on with all that. God what
watching you grasp the straws here? He's

1243
01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:56.920
too cool for video games. Down
he's a business man. Grasp that's straw

1244
01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:01.000
Wait, way, what are you
talking about. It's like I'm ie game

1245
01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:09.159
all the time, classic, very
gate keeping video games. We're the real

1246
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:15.800
gamers here now, Mary. Yeah, yeah, business meetings. Oh that's

1247
01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:18.560
not what I said I was doing
at all. I got business meetings.

1248
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:24.199
Oh sorry, Sorry, I'm not
sorry. I'm not playing bad games with

1249
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:31.039
Mitch and jew Grub and talking about
grub. Oh we know so much more

1250
01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:36.000
about Dakatana than you, businessman.
Oh you know. Sorry, I'm not

1251
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:40.800
playing. Sorry, I'm not Who
was this impression of sorry, I'm not

1252
01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:45.600
Oh sorry, I'm not playing a
game while people watch me play it online?

1253
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:50.079
Oh sorry, yeah, some of
us have big boy jobs. Sorry,

1254
01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:54.399
I'm sorry. There's no live chat
next to the game I'm playing.

1255
01:24:55.840 --> 01:25:01.800
Groups are here live chats? Yeah, yeah, that's useful feedback. Oh

1256
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:05.159
no, no, internet chat are
the most useful of feedback. Trush,

1257
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:12.439
Yeah, I love you, give
me other games? Oh yeah, internet

1258
01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:15.479
chat? Reddit? Yeah. Read
games. Yeah, I got a few

1259
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:17.640
things I can touch on here.
Ah, God, do I want to

1260
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:21.079
have you guys liked to hell Blade. I love the first game. I've

1261
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:24.520
not played too. I hated the
first game, and I hate the second

1262
01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:29.239
game more. Okay, yeah it's
look, I don't if you haven't played

1263
01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:31.159
it. I liked the first one. I thought the first one was a

1264
01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:35.399
really excellent reflection of like mental health. I thought it, I thought it

1265
01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:39.680
overstated, it's welcome. I was
like, I'm ready to be done with

1266
01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:42.079
it when it's like when the credits
rolled, I was like, great,

1267
01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:45.039
I was ready to like it.
When the first one, I was like,

1268
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.279
oh, that's interesting. This game
wants to do like a look at

1269
01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:51.840
mental health and stuff that's something that's
not really treated well or realistically in any

1270
01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:55.800
way in games. And I was
up for seeing that. And I did.

1271
01:25:55.840 --> 01:25:58.560
I think it was a good game. And uh yeah, this one

1272
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:04.680
is that again, but drier and
slower and less interact like I don't know,

1273
01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:09.199
it feels like just barely interactive stuff
that it doesn't seem like it has

1274
01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:12.239
much to say. Granted, I'm
not a story person. Never happened.

1275
01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:14.399
I didn't care about the story in
the first one. Don't care about it

1276
01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:16.920
now. It's a lot of slowly, you know, pressing the analog stick

1277
01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:21.560
up and watching her like walk around
and climb things and get into very slow

1278
01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:28.640
combat that feels barely interactive. It's
everything I said that I hated about Red

1279
01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:32.000
Depredemption two and how everything is just
laborious and slow and it seems like a

1280
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:39.119
story above everything, but it's it's
way less interactive and way less of a

1281
01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:42.439
video game. So like, hey, some people are liking this game.

1282
01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.039
It's speaking to some people. Great, happy for him. This is the

1283
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:49.560
exact opposite of anything I come to
video games for. So it's the least

1284
01:26:49.720 --> 01:26:53.840
me game imaginable. And again that's
how the first one was. That's how

1285
01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:59.640
this one is for me. I
deeply did not enjoy my time with this.

1286
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:05.520
Okay, yeah, I haven't played
it, but I really liked the

1287
01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:11.199
first game, and I I just
haven't gotten around to this game, and

1288
01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:15.760
that doesn't help. That doesn't make
me like. It does not bode well

1289
01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:18.880
for me wanting to play it because
I liked what it was trying to do,

1290
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:24.560
but I felt like I got that
from the first game. So if

1291
01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:29.640
it's doing the same thing I've already
had that experience. Yeah, it's undeniably

1292
01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:32.479
like the animations are incredible, the
sound design is incredible. It's like there's

1293
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:38.159
stuff going for This is clearly made
by very talented people. But it's yeah,

1294
01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:41.600
it's you know, it's that conversation
about like, oh, our game

1295
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:43.960
is supposed to be fun, and
like I think, you know, games

1296
01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:46.720
can be whatever the developer wants them
to be, but people are gonna that's

1297
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:48.720
gonna your mind. Lage is going
to very a lot based on what you

1298
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:51.840
went. And for me, I
can't think of games that I love that

1299
01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:59.439
aren't fun. You know that is
I come to games for fun and without

1300
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:01.520
exception. Really I want things where
I feel like I'm playing a video game.

1301
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:03.880
The more something feels like a video
game, the more I'm gonna like

1302
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:08.199
it. Pretty much, this does
not feel like much of a game.

1303
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:11.720
Yeah. Again, it goes back
to the Red Dead two thing. It's

1304
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:13.800
that's why I didn't like Red Dead
two. It just felt like it was

1305
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:17.640
this kind of interactive art piece,
prestige whatever the fuck, And that's I'll

1306
01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:21.279
watch HBO if I want that.
So not into it. Not a fan,

1307
01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:26.920
that's a bummer, okay, but
like it some people like it a

1308
01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:30.680
lot, so I don't know.
I'm undownloading it. If you like the

1309
01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:33.640
Hey you like the first one,
so you you got a heads up on

1310
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:38.640
me. So maybe it's game pass
I believe, right, Yeah, but

1311
01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:45.760
Mary should buy it. Damn it. Dan, you texted me yesterday telling

1312
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:50.680
me about this MAJORA or like n
sixty four recompiler at like high frame rate

1313
01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:57.000
versions. It's more than that.
It's insane and I am not smart enough

1314
01:28:57.119 --> 01:28:59.880
with like computer ship to accurately describe
it, So I'll just tell you what

1315
01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:03.199
looks like to play and feels like
to play. There's something some code that

1316
01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:08.720
got cracked in the last week or
two with the Nintendo sixty four where basically

1317
01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:11.640
I think it has something to do
with like all of the files, all

1318
01:29:11.680 --> 01:29:15.880
of the programming, all of the
guts of these in sixty four games can

1319
01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:19.600
now be decompiled and recompiled to play
on PC and take advantage of high frame

1320
01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:25.039
rates, high resolution, different controllers, mods, things like that. So

1321
01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:27.920
now all of these sixty four games, and it seems like they're starting with

1322
01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:31.000
like the Zeldas, you can do
the crazy bullshit with where it's like I'm

1323
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:35.319
playing Majora's mask I'm playing Operating of
Time at like one hundred and sixty five

1324
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:40.600
refresh rate with you know, four
K or ten ADP or you know,

1325
01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:45.000
just look looking absolutely incredible with a
bunch of mods, a bunch of just

1326
01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:48.760
like drop down, very easy to
customize things where it's it is looking incredible,

1327
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.560
and like I've done stuff with like
remember Mike, you joined me on

1328
01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:57.199
a stream like four years ago with
the three DS operat of Time that I

1329
01:29:57.239 --> 01:30:00.479
added texture packs to in HGA,
and like that stuff is always existed with

1330
01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:04.439
emulation, that's always been possible,
But this is like recompiling the whole fucking

1331
01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:10.359
game and making it look like just
seeing ocreatum Time or MAJORA running at these

1332
01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:14.920
frame rates is way more impactful than
I expected when I first heard about this,

1333
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:16.279
because like people were telling me about
it, and it wasn't until like

1334
01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:19.000
the cut scenes and stuff at the
beginning of Madura and Died and I had

1335
01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:23.680
control of Link. I was like, holy shit, it is crazy to

1336
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:28.960
see and feel Majora playing like this. So I was just kind of digging

1337
01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:31.399
around with that for a while,
and then I got this Aquarina mod.

1338
01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:36.119
It's called like Ship of Harkenian,
and I realized too that you could add

1339
01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:40.680
you can do a randomizer on that, and that's been around forever with emulation.

1340
01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:44.960
But I did a randomizer of Ship
of Harkenian Operam of Time, and

1341
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:47.520
I had a crowd control to it, so like twitch viewers can like trigger

1342
01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:51.359
bombs and enemies dropping me in and
warping you around the map and stuff.

1343
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:56.079
So it's like the most fucked up
Ocarina possible, where it's operat of Time

1344
01:30:56.239 --> 01:31:00.800
looking and feeling incredible, but all
the chess and everything are randomized and the

1345
01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:04.319
crowd is fucking with you, and
oh my god, it was so much

1346
01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:06.359
fun. I was just wanted to
do a little test stream and I wound

1347
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:11.079
up going for like four hours the
other night. And it is even even

1348
01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:14.359
if you just played it straight though, just played Ocarina with these mods or

1349
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:17.399
played Majora the like, you know, recompiled version. It is like anyone

1350
01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:20.520
who is a fan of those sixty
four Zelda games needs to see what this

1351
01:31:20.640 --> 01:31:24.640
looks like and feels like and all
the customization you could do with it.

1352
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:28.760
It is wild and it's so much
more than even like the the three DS

1353
01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:32.399
remix, which were awesome back in
the day. Yeah, I like footage

1354
01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:38.119
of clock Town with the high frame
rate. It's weird seeing the carpenters walk

1355
01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:41.319
around at that. It seems it's
a bit surreal. Yeah, it's a

1356
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:44.079
bit. Yeah. And I saw
that on YouTube, like like I'm sure

1357
01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:45.279
you're seeing like the YouTube stuff now, and like I was like, oh,

1358
01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:48.079
that looks crazy. But then when
I played it and it's actually running

1359
01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:50.920
natively that way and you're controlling it, it's like a whole other level of

1360
01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:55.159
like this is fucking nuts. So
like, I am so excited to see

1361
01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:57.640
kind of where this goes with like
that. Of course you start with the

1362
01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:00.520
Zelda's, but like I want to
see a bunch of mariosup Gold and Eye,

1363
01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:03.600
Perfect Dark Mario parties, you know
whatever. Like there's a lot they

1364
01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:08.239
can do with this, and it's
it's very very interesting to me. Okay,

1365
01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:13.399
yeah, And then real quick,
while I'm kind of on the Zelda

1366
01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:15.760
note here, I played a little
bit of master Key today, which is

1367
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:19.319
another one of those like one developer
games very much you know, based on

1368
01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:23.760
like links in the past. It's
monochromatic, so it's maybe a little more

1369
01:32:23.800 --> 01:32:28.760
links awakening. It's it's a little
straightforward in terms of like there's a billion

1370
01:32:28.840 --> 01:32:31.680
games that are inspired by Zelda,
and it's like this one. I played

1371
01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:33.319
about an hour of it, and
I was like, I didn't really see

1372
01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:38.720
anything that like really pushed it beyond
another Zelda tribute. So I don't know.

1373
01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:41.720
I tended to like, you know, Blossom Tales and other ones that

1374
01:32:41.800 --> 01:32:45.560
have kind of been their own thing
as well. Son didn't love Master Key.

1375
01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:48.359
There was an interesting thing and that
there's no dialogue, so you do

1376
01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:50.760
have to figure out like you go
to a shop and you see a bunch

1377
01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:54.359
of stuff and it's like you see
symbols of like, Okay, I think

1378
01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:57.039
this gives me more life. I
think this maybe makes me do more damage.

1379
01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:59.960
You kind of just have to spend
your money and see what it does.

1380
01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:04.640
But overall didn't really grab me.
And the other Zelda thing is windwacer

1381
01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:09.319
HD. I'm now like halfway through
it on the steam Deck. It is

1382
01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:12.600
a great on steam Deck, and
it reminds me of all of the updates

1383
01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:15.000
they made to windwacer HD from like
the Swift sale and everything that make it

1384
01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:18.039
so much better than the original,
and the original is one of my favorite

1385
01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:23.720
Zelda's anyway. But yeah, like
it's like really fun, you like have

1386
01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:27.359
a good reason to go back and
play it. Yeah, it's it's I

1387
01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:30.079
think once I got it running on
the Steam deck, cause like I'm constantly

1388
01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:32.800
getting all these devices and just getting
every possible system I can all configured on

1389
01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:35.399
it, and that's part of the
fun for me. And I was like,

1390
01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:38.520
okay, let's see how wind Waker
runs on this, and it was

1391
01:33:38.600 --> 01:33:41.439
running fine. I was like,
oh, it's been on When did this

1392
01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:43.520
come out? Like this was about
ten years ago. It was probably the

1393
01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:45.199
last time I played Windwaker, And
then I just like did the first dungeon.

1394
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:47.600
Oh, I'm on Dragon's Rust,
Like I actually maybe I just want

1395
01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:51.319
to keep playing wind Waker, And
turns out it's still extremely good. So

1396
01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:55.359
okay, yeah, so a lot
of all this stuff going on right now.

1397
01:33:55.439 --> 01:33:58.079
But yeah, the one that's really
got me thinking a lot is all

1398
01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:01.279
of this shit you can do with
the compiled recompiled stuff. It's very very

1399
01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:04.359
cool. Yeah, I need to
check those out. Yeah I haven't.

1400
01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:08.720
I haven't played majoras yet this year, so this would be a good excuse.

1401
01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:14.039
Like it's crazy like with the Akerina
things like the mods you could do,

1402
01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:16.479
there's all these drop downs and it's
just it's so minute, these little

1403
01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:18.439
things where it's like, oh do
you want it? Yeah? So I

1404
01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:20.760
mean you can just make it so
it's oh, it's it's randomizing the sounds,

1405
01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:23.960
randomizing the color palettes, or doing
this or that. But then you

1406
01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:26.880
can also be like, okay,
this annoying little thing where like when the

1407
01:34:26.960 --> 01:34:29.680
owl talk to you, and it
would always at the end like did you

1408
01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:31.720
understand it would default to know it's
like yeah, it'll switch to that,

1409
01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:35.960
like recognize everything, any little complaint
you could have ever had about ocherne of

1410
01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:40.199
time, and you just toggle a
checkbox or whatever, or you can just

1411
01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:43.520
do goofy once where it's like random
enemy sizes, so you walk into a

1412
01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:45.439
room and it's like that's a big
fucking bat, or like here's a tiny

1413
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:48.079
little skeleton guy. And it's just
things that kind of like mix up the

1414
01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:51.600
game like that. I spent like
thirty minutes going through all these dropdowns and

1415
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:54.800
be like oh that's cool. Oh
that's cool. Okay, yeah, oh

1416
01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:57.279
I think I do want that.
Okay, tech speed up so that'll make

1417
01:34:57.279 --> 01:34:59.199
it pass. We go through this, Okay, this will do this auto

1418
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:00.760
save when I go into a room, like there's quality of live stuff,

1419
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:04.720
there's goofy stuff like the enemy sizes. It's a it's just really fun tweaking

1420
01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:09.239
a game that you've played so many
times and know that well in a bunch

1421
01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:11.560
of different funky ways. And then
if you want to get sucked up and

1422
01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:14.640
do randomizers and crowd control and everything, it's you can really go nuts with

1423
01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:18.199
it. So uh that that's been
delightful cool. Yeah, I gotta check

1424
01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:21.960
that out. I uh, I
think the last time I played MAJORA was

1425
01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:26.680
still the the last few times I
played it was the three D S version,

1426
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:30.359
which is great, but it sounds
sounds rad. Yeah. Do you

1427
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:34.920
guys want to do emails? Yeah? Okay, As always you can write

1428
01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:40.520
into fire sky Cast at gmail dot
com with questions, comments, concerns.

1429
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:44.680
Get your questions in re up them. A lot of the ones we have

1430
01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:49.680
banked are dated, so send theiment
updated. Yeah. It was like I

1431
01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:59.760
was reading through some like Walter Mondale, What when do you think oj?

1432
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:04.880
You kids wouldn't know you? Mary? Do you want to read this first

1433
01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:13.920
one? From Joseph? Do you
think O J Will die? Much Love?

1434
01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:21.399
From Ontario? Question asked a video
game podcast, When do you think

1435
01:36:21.479 --> 01:36:33.840
O j is going to crow send
that another BombCast. Dan is right a

1436
01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:43.880
let it die, hey, fire
Escapees. I started listening last May and

1437
01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:47.720
finally cut up to episode eighty after
hearing after loss of listening in the car

1438
01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:53.479
and man, it's been a ride
the car. I added that last part.

1439
01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:59.159
I've grown to respect Mike's love of
boats and wine, Mary's obsession with

1440
01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:02.600
a game about an empty night,
and Dan just being a fucking fucker.

1441
01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:09.880
Dan was a hard one to get
used to, especially with him making my

1442
01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:15.640
eye twitch whenever he mentioned my beloved
Horizon series. Oh it's bad. So

1443
01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:21.760
to my question topic thing, I
noticed Dan was never berated more for not

1444
01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:30.319
finishing the masterpiece that is the Avatar
the Last Airbender the Nickelodeon version. Y'all

1445
01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:34.239
should really hound him for that.
I agree. Has there ever been a

1446
01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:40.479
show or game that you just love
with an absolute passion, but when you

1447
01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:44.720
recommend it a friend, watch or
play it, they give it five minutes

1448
01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:50.319
of attention? Do you listen to
this podcast? I genuinely did not plan

1449
01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:55.239
that with Case of the gold Mine, Joseph, thanks again for all the

1450
01:37:55.359 --> 01:37:58.560
laughs and keep up the great work. Joseph s from San Antonio Texas.

1451
01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:02.079
Ah, gee, let me think
every game ever, well, Simpsons.

1452
01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:05.319
Look, you can't give me ship
for Avatar. The Simpsons we tried with

1453
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:10.680
Mike, and uh, he did. I will not fall off quick.

1454
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:17.399
I updated like six episodes worthies most
of them. Yeah, yeah, any

1455
01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:21.319
episodes. No, you selected the
episodes for me and I watched. We

1456
01:38:21.479 --> 01:38:27.520
curated watch more piece of ship.
You're a liar, a thief, and

1457
01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:30.239
you're a piece of ship. Whatever. If we had to go around the

1458
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:33.000
horn on things that we've suggested to
each other. So if Mike didn't do

1459
01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:39.520
Simpsons, I didn't do I mean
I fell off Avar immediately as much as

1460
01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:43.279
I did Avatar. What is there
something that we pushed from America? Every

1461
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:47.439
episode you curated for me. I
don't know if you both were like,

1462
01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:51.600
you have to play this and I
did. I usually play the recommendations from

1463
01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:59.439
both of you. Mary is pretty
good about that. It's pretty devastating.

1464
01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:01.720
I'm not going to break this.
I'm not going to labor. I'm not

1465
01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:08.800
going to blabor this. But I
I think that Hollow Night deserved more attention.

1466
01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:12.600
Mary. I'll tell you this.
I Uh, when I thought I

1467
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:14.399
was going to Poland, A couple
of weeks ago, I was like,

1468
01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:15.680
I need a bunch of stuff in
my steam back. I need to like

1469
01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:17.960
load up. And it's like,
Okay, there's a new stard thing.

1470
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:20.760
There's the Operation guns del See,
there's this. And I was looking at

1471
01:39:20.760 --> 01:39:25.199
Hollow Night and I downloaded it and
I said, you know what, I'm

1472
01:39:25.279 --> 01:39:28.399
going to download this and I'm going
to have a lot of time I'm going

1473
01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:32.000
to play it. And my intention
was I thought there was a decent chance

1474
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:35.439
that I would play through Hollow Night, get really into it, and come

1475
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:39.079
back and on the next episode be
like, hey, Mary, have you

1476
01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:42.560
heard of Hollow Night. It's really
weird. Yeah, you got to like

1477
01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:45.640
start mentioning very specific things when Holly
Night's brought up, like Mary, you

1478
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:47.159
know, like when you go to
the Haunted Wastes or whatever, and then

1479
01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:50.560
yeah, this and then you fight
this boss. No, I I honestly

1480
01:39:50.600 --> 01:39:54.479
thought, was I mean, yeah, full scho it has been a bit

1481
01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:57.600
that I've just done too, Like
well, I mean, I kind I

1482
01:39:57.720 --> 01:40:00.279
meant everything I've said about Hollow Night, but I also play it up.

1483
01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:03.279
No I do, so I want
to. I don't think honestly, I've

1484
01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:08.840
given a real shot. I think
you I don't think you've ever really genuinely

1485
01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:13.159
given it a shot. I think
you quit when you got stuck because you're

1486
01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:18.239
a little baby boy, and you
have taken shots at the art style unnecessarily

1487
01:40:18.279 --> 01:40:23.079
because it's actually a beautiful game.
And I also get that if we're just

1488
01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:25.319
if we're shooting here, then I'll
say that, like you know, so

1489
01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:29.520
something like many shoot adventures I played, like many shoot adventures does not have

1490
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:32.960
a great art style. It has
a much more generic one than it does.

1491
01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:38.920
Yes, we ago, I I
am for real. I am up

1492
01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:43.680
for trying that game again, giving
it an earnest shot, and then it'll

1493
01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:46.199
be very funny if I just love
it and act like you never said anything

1494
01:40:46.199 --> 01:40:50.800
about it and I found it on
my own just die. I mean,

1495
01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:55.479
that would really piss me off.
But I would like the idea that you

1496
01:40:55.720 --> 01:40:59.960
actually gave it the try it deserved
because it is such a beloved game,

1497
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:04.680
and I don't think you're usually wrong, and so it's always kind of haunted

1498
01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:10.199
me that you've had You and I
have consistent views on a lot of games.

1499
01:41:10.199 --> 01:41:13.359
I've always respected your opinion, and
then there's just this one game where

1500
01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:16.880
it's like you're just fucking stupidly wrong
about and I would like to prep that

1501
01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:23.359
even if you do it to make
fun of me. But partly both ways

1502
01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:26.000
were true where it's like part of
it was I did fall off and I

1503
01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:29.600
did find things that I was annoyed
by with that game. And then also

1504
01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:31.640
it's true that I just kind of
leaned into it to annoy you. So

1505
01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:36.760
I wanted to give it because so
many people I respect and so many people

1506
01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:42.119
who have similar taste as me,
talk about that game in such glowing ways

1507
01:41:42.359 --> 01:41:45.840
that like, I do feel like
I didn't quite get that. Mainly you,

1508
01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:46.880
I mean you were you were the
one that I've talked to the most

1509
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:50.359
about this game, but plenty of
others too where it's like there's clearly something

1510
01:41:50.439 --> 01:41:55.880
going on with this game that I
maybe didn't play enough to get or look,

1511
01:41:55.960 --> 01:41:59.479
there are times too where let's say
something like Binding of Isaac. I

1512
01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:01.399
remember Tim Terry telling me about that, and I mean, like, oh,

1513
01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:03.239
it's like zeld inspired cool, I'll
try it out. And I was

1514
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.079
like, wait what you die and
you lose all your items and you go

1515
01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:10.920
back to the beginning after this,
Yeah, And it's just I wasn't ready

1516
01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:13.720
for, like I hadn't played Rugue
Lights yet, I didn't really understand the

1517
01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:16.319
concept, and so that was just
maybe I wasn't ready for it. So

1518
01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:20.520
now I've played so many metroidvanias.
It's one of my favorite genres, and

1519
01:42:21.439 --> 01:42:25.960
maybe Hollow Night was doing things that
are more common now and I've gotten a

1520
01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:30.920
little acclimated to that. If I
went back now, it wouldn't be abrasive

1521
01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:33.039
to me and I could actually just
enjoy it. So I will say right

1522
01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:38.159
now, I'm open. I'm very
open to giving Hollow Night a real try

1523
01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:42.079
and maybe turning around on it.
Joseph S, You've changed my life.

1524
01:42:42.159 --> 01:42:45.560
I think this could be the turning
point for this podcast. I love the

1525
01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:49.119
idea of you giving that a whirl, and I'm also open to any time

1526
01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:55.560
you have both said I can't believe
you didn't play x I. I really

1527
01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:57.960
do try. I don't. I
don't think I've gotten them all. But

1528
01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:02.039
you're really good about it. When
you tell when you text, when someone

1529
01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:04.960
texts me is like, play this
game. I play the game. I

1530
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:09.079
mean, I remember Mini Shoot.
I gave you the hard sell on that

1531
01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:12.039
and then I saw you streaming it
like the next time animal wel I remember

1532
01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:14.439
in the discord being like texted and
you're like, oh, this is my

1533
01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:16.319
ship, Like you're awesome about that, like you always checked that out.

1534
01:43:16.399 --> 01:43:23.760
So I referrals are nice. Yeah, I lovel I'm gonna give it hollow

1535
01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:27.880
night another try, I think,
yeah, and then I'll really love it

1536
01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:32.279
and I'll talk about how it's the
thing that I discovered and yeah, yeah

1537
01:43:34.319 --> 01:43:39.840
A fan of Indie Darling's Dan Reichert. I'm like, I'm a big indie

1538
01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:43.720
guy. I love indies. Seriously, I'm a big indie guy. I

1539
01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:46.680
was talking. I was talking Abounk
recently about like the stuff that excites me

1540
01:43:47.479 --> 01:43:53.039
more these days mall Dev's Cojma No
no, no, seriously, like I

1541
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:58.560
fucking like I Ragnarok did jack ship
for me. Fucking Sinya was whatever is

1542
01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:00.560
doing nothing for me, Like a
lot of Triple A is boring the ship

1543
01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:04.000
out of me right now. And
I really do find that the things I

1544
01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:09.079
gravitate towards are like a cool indie
game or something like an animal will is

1545
01:44:09.720 --> 01:44:13.039
infinitely more interesting to me, like
the same three games, because you don't

1546
01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:23.680
know anymore, and it's very obvious
who is grasping indie games time Blatro of

1547
01:44:26.560 --> 01:44:29.279
Children of the Sun. Mary,
you recommended Children of the Son. I

1548
01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:30.039
played through it all on in a
couple of sittings and I loved it.

1549
01:44:30.279 --> 01:44:33.640
Right, Oh, I played Children's
Son. That game is rapid. Yan

1550
01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:39.079
of indie games, Dan Riker,
I am more excited about indie right now

1551
01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:43.640
that I'm excited about Triple A.
Person. Sure talking about what are the

1552
01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:46.760
huge Triple A games that I'm going
to bat for sure? Just never shuts

1553
01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:51.600
up about Fortnite. Sure, I
haven't played. I played maybe an hour

1554
01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:56.880
of Fortnite and night. Sure,
I still have a lot of respect for

1555
01:44:56.960 --> 01:45:00.720
Fortnite. But really, yeah,
it's it's it's good still man. We

1556
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:06.239
totally believe you that you appreciate any
a. God, we totally believe you.

1557
01:45:06.359 --> 01:45:14.319
Man. Oh my god. We're
gonna move on because we absolutely I

1558
01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:18.199
am more Indian than A these days. Anybody who's truly and he never has

1559
01:45:18.279 --> 01:45:26.319
to shout that on a podcast,
I am the king, says oh man,

1560
01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:34.960
whatever you say, Dan, olkry
next email. I love. I

1561
01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:39.640
love when we frustrate Dan and he
can't. You can dish it out so

1562
01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:45.439
well. I don't never anyone intentionally. What are you talking about? Sound

1563
01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:48.439
thank you. We need a sound
word for all the times Dan has talked

1564
01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:53.239
about indie games and he likes,
oh wait, what are you talking about?

1565
01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:57.199
Starting Valley was my game of the
fucking year? What do you mean?

1566
01:45:57.640 --> 01:46:01.079
How many years ago? Was seventeen? Seventy years ago? Okay,

1567
01:46:01.880 --> 01:46:05.079
do you want to play this fucking
game? I will pull up all of

1568
01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:10.640
my top tens. Jesus is crazy
game? Seven years ago? Alright?

1569
01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:14.560
Was twenty twenty three? Okay?
Well, okay, what was it?

1570
01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:18.319
What was it? Maybe twenty twenty
three is a badga? What? Okay?

1571
01:46:20.079 --> 01:46:25.119
You started from one to ten?
No, Dan Reiker, Game of

1572
01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:29.039
Armor cor It was uh, Tears
of the Kingdom, than Pickment four,

1573
01:46:29.439 --> 01:46:33.479
than Evercore, then Resident Evil four, then super Mario Wonder, then Super

1574
01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:39.039
Mario ARPG, then Mortal Kombat one, then Alan Wick two, then David

1575
01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:45.239
Diver David divert number nine. More's
fucking Mario. Shit? Okay, hang

1576
01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:48.880
on, hang on by seventy people. Hang on. Maybe twenty twenty two

1577
01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:55.199
is better? Sheldon Rings Vampire Survivors. Oh yeah, okay, wait,

1578
01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:56.960
okay, okay, here we go, here we go, here's where we're

1579
01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:01.119
talking. Okay, twenty twenty two
number one, Vampire Survivors number two,

1580
01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:06.960
Elden Ring number three, Fortnite number
four, Neon White, Neon White number

1581
01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:13.680
five, Powerwash Simulator number six,
Tiny Kin number seven, Nobody Saves the

1582
01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:16.520
World number eight, Mario Rabbits number
nine, Sonic Frontiers number ten, Cult

1583
01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:19.880
of the Lamb, Cult of the
Lamb. That is a indie heavy list

1584
01:47:20.000 --> 01:47:27.239
right there. I deeply respect Triple
A, unlike you. You you two

1585
01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:30.079
don't think Triple A is real games. I respect all games and game developers.

1586
01:47:31.359 --> 01:47:38.399
Sheldon. I love how frantic Dan
gets when he doesn't he can't control

1587
01:47:38.479 --> 01:47:44.600
the flow of bullying. Yeah,
you're probably right. Okay, So Dan,

1588
01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:47.000
you shit, you were really into
indies two years ago. Good New

1589
01:47:47.119 --> 01:47:50.039
Year. What I think it's?
I think you just keep going. Let's

1590
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:58.079
do twenty twenty one metroy Dread,
Reternal Death, Stranding Directors, Cut,

1591
01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:05.760
Halo Infinite, Super Mario three D
World, Mario Party, Superstars, Cruising,

1592
01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:15.359
Blast Yeast, Cusins. That doesn't
count Hitman, Hurry Resident Evil Village

1593
01:48:16.119 --> 01:48:24.199
not an indie amongst Cruisin blasts A. Jason, you are fucking trying and

1594
01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:29.159
reaching. You know, when we
started this argument, I thought it would

1595
01:48:29.159 --> 01:48:32.000
be more indy heavy on my top
tends to be frank. Yeah, well

1596
01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:39.000
you're the one who made this call. Shit, Mary's down there slopping around

1597
01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:43.640
in the in the in the steam
store looking for those I came from the

1598
01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:48.079
dirt I do playing indie games my
entire life. This is my fucking m

1599
01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:54.600
O. I have watched you fucking
slurp up cyberpunks and fucking Marvels. What

1600
01:48:56.199 --> 01:48:59.560
Maryeah, that's damn. I did
not claim to be more of an indie

1601
01:48:59.560 --> 01:49:02.159
opicion the new Mary you are.
You are a great champion of indie games,

1602
01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:08.479
Dan Riker Top ten games of twenty
twenty, Marvels, Spider Man,

1603
01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:12.119
Miles Morale. Wait, you're going
from ten, right? That's from ten?

1604
01:49:13.119 --> 01:49:15.239
Right? Okay, I wouldn't give
that number one. Yeah, okay,

1605
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:19.760
you're not insane. Okay, I'm
just saying you're a liar. What

1606
01:49:23.279 --> 01:49:28.079
My memory's just bad? I rest
my case. Uh okay, okay,

1607
01:49:28.199 --> 01:49:31.319
number one this year is probably like
right now, like Prince Persia Bilatro,

1608
01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:35.239
These aren't like Triple A necessarily.
You know, we'll see where you end

1609
01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:40.720
up, fair weathered friend. Next
email, All right, Dan, you

1610
01:49:40.760 --> 01:49:43.439
want to read this one. I
just bolded something you don't have to read

1611
01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:46.039
just because it's a bit lengthy,
but I think the rest is pretty necessary,

1612
01:49:46.119 --> 01:49:48.880
so don't worry about reading the bolded
thing. Okay, uh hey,

1613
01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:51.760
fire skip crew. Big fan of
the show. I love stacking episodes up

1614
01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:56.199
so I can listen while cooking or
exercising to help the time melt and decide

1615
01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:59.359
to finally reach out to pluck your
brains on some topics. My wife's thirty

1616
01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:01.359
birthdays come of November. I decided
to treat her to a trip to New

1617
01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:04.720
Orleans. Is that the thing that
you say every every year? Because you

1618
01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:08.800
know what I mean, like everybody's
birthday is coming up November. Oh,

1619
01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:12.479
I see what is happening. I'm
an idiot. I was like, coming

1620
01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:15.199
up in November is not coming up? That is forever from now. But

1621
01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:20.840
he's saying thirtieth, thirty especial specifically
number. I withdraw my comment. Oh,

1622
01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:26.039
last episode, Mary's like take your
wife's out on dates more get flowers,

1623
01:50:26.119 --> 01:50:28.720
not for Valentine's Day. This guy's
trying to bring his wife to New

1624
01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:31.640
Orleans for a great week, and
ladies, I thought he was. My

1625
01:50:31.720 --> 01:50:34.960
wife's birthday is coming up in November, and it's like, so's mine?

1626
01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:41.319
Next year you got along. Wow, but hear that, Jesse. Oh

1627
01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:45.600
my goodness, Jesse, we support
you being a loving husband. For the

1628
01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:47.720
record, Dan and I do Dan. Yeah, yes, specifically, Yeah,

1629
01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:53.000
you still can do better. Go
on. They're going to New Orleans

1630
01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:55.880
and we've been going. We are
going with our best friend couple for a

1631
01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:58.239
few nights, so we'll have time
to take in the area. I remember

1632
01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:00.479
Dan, and I believe Mary is
saying they loved them in the past,

1633
01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:03.560
really enjoying the atmosphere and culture questions
already, have any recommendations for must do

1634
01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:06.600
se eat adventures for New Orleans?
How you usually break up a trip to

1635
01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:11.279
a place you've been planning structure in
the front, Lucy Goosey before you leave.

1636
01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:14.960
That is a great question, Jesse. Oh, any inpo or insight

1637
01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:16.039
will be appreciated. Thanks for all
the laughs and good vibes. You're my

1638
01:51:16.039 --> 01:51:18.840
favorite group on the internet. Thank
you. Jesse. Yeah. I've been

1639
01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:26.399
five or six times now to New
Orleans, and it is that it's interesting

1640
01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:28.920
that you bring that up, because
like it is one that you want to

1641
01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:32.760
specifically do some things and make reservations
and go to certain places, but also

1642
01:51:32.840 --> 01:51:35.439
it's a city where you want to
have like, hey, we got this

1643
01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:40.079
five hour chunk in this afternoon where
it's like let's just wander and go into

1644
01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:44.079
places. So that is the have
a couple things planned each day, Like

1645
01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:46.600
we know we're getting dinner at Coops, we know we're going to Commander's Palace

1646
01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:48.720
here, we're going Turkey and the
Wolf for lunch. But then like leave

1647
01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:54.079
yourself big blocks on that calendar four
or five six hours of like we'll just

1648
01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:57.920
be in the general French Quarter area
and walk around, drink and eat and

1649
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.359
go into market stuff like that.
But just have like a couple like kind

1650
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:03.359
of tent poles throughout the day that
you know like Okay, we got to

1651
01:52:03.359 --> 01:52:05.399
be here by this time, or
got to get back to the B ANDB,

1652
01:52:05.560 --> 01:52:09.239
so we're changing ready to go for
this, but give yourself plenty of

1653
01:52:09.239 --> 01:52:15.560
breathing room. Yeah, we like
often just using our upcoming trip as an

1654
01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:18.319
example, we're doing three nights in
each spot. But we also we've made

1655
01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:21.920
a bunch of reservations for restaurants for
just winery visits, for like we've planned

1656
01:52:21.960 --> 01:52:26.319
out time to go to like certain
like on bike rides, we've rented bikes

1657
01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:29.600
and had the car and whatnot.
But in each place, in each city,

1658
01:52:29.640 --> 01:52:31.640
we're gonna be staying our village,
town, et cetera. We've left

1659
01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:35.239
like a day where we definitely can
just wander kind of be more like winging

1660
01:52:35.319 --> 01:52:39.960
it, because often I find that
that's we've talked about this before. It's

1661
01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:42.920
like oftentimes that's when you find your
new favorite bars, or you just stumble

1662
01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:46.439
in somewhere, or you find like
some hole in the wall diner or something

1663
01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:49.000
that you never would have planned for
and made reservations for, and all of

1664
01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:53.000
a sudden, that's the place you
recommend to your friends when they're going stuff

1665
01:52:53.039 --> 01:52:55.439
like that. So yeah, I
definitely leave more open. But like in

1666
01:52:55.560 --> 01:53:01.439
terms of how I structure it,
we I think think we tend to plan

1667
01:53:01.640 --> 01:53:06.239
more upfront, like reservations and whatnot, and then once you've gotten to know

1668
01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:10.520
this wherever you are on the back
half of the trip, that's when you

1669
01:53:10.600 --> 01:53:14.119
can make more informed, let's wander
here decisions That neighborhood seems cool, we

1670
01:53:14.159 --> 01:53:16.399
have not been there yet, Like
we usually I think tend to front load

1671
01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:20.359
the structure and make it a little
more as Jesse said, Lucy Goosey on

1672
01:53:20.439 --> 01:53:23.880
the back end, and then you
can talk to people that are from there

1673
01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:25.199
have been there a bunch, and
they're like, oh, we got to

1674
01:53:25.239 --> 01:53:26.960
check this out. But it's like, okay, we got to open on

1675
01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:29.359
Thursday. We could go there for
dinner, you know that type of stuff.

1676
01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:32.079
Yeah, and then like your vacation
style, Your vacation style is to

1677
01:53:32.199 --> 01:53:38.800
not overplan. Yep. If we
want to talk specific New Orleans, when

1678
01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:42.800
Bonk and I went for our uh
for honeymoon, we were staying at a

1679
01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:45.600
B and b right by this place
called Turkey and the Wolf right when it

1680
01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:48.239
opened up, and like that year
it got named like best new restaurant in

1681
01:53:48.279 --> 01:53:51.560
America that I Bone Appetite magazine,
and we're like, okay, this is

1682
01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:57.680
very unassuming that real magazine. Yeah, No, it's like legitimately, like

1683
01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:01.239
Turkey in the Wolf is like a
deeply res what no, Bone Appetite magazine.

1684
01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:05.760
Yeah, twenty seventeen the best restaurant
in America. Yeah, is that

1685
01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:12.159
a thing that people read. I've
never heard. Yeah, I've never heard

1686
01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:15.000
it. Oh yeah, No,
I don't know a lot about this type

1687
01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:16.399
of stuff. But it's just a
funny name. No, No, this

1688
01:54:16.520 --> 01:54:20.199
is this is a yeah, super
legit. It doesn't look like much on

1689
01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:24.520
the outside. It's just on this
random corner they have this it's this chef

1690
01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:27.520
Mason Herford that has a few places
in New Orleans, and all of them

1691
01:54:27.560 --> 01:54:30.039
are incredible. The signature there is
this fried Baloney sandwich, Like you want

1692
01:54:30.079 --> 01:54:32.760
to go for lunch if you're there
right when it opens, that's best you

1693
01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:35.159
can kind of get in. It's
very kind of like nineties themed, kind

1694
01:54:35.199 --> 01:54:40.239
of kitchy, uh, but yeah, the Pride Bloney Sandwich is incredible.

1695
01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:44.119
All their salad, like even like
basic things on the menu, like just

1696
01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:46.319
these salads that you think wouldn't be
the craziest thing. You'll take one bite

1697
01:54:46.359 --> 01:54:48.720
of it and be like, how
the fuck does this taste this good?

1698
01:54:49.119 --> 01:54:51.840
That Pride Blony sandwich. It's got
like potato chips and stuff on it.

1699
01:54:53.479 --> 01:54:58.319
It's simple ingredients, but their shit
is so good. And then he also

1700
01:54:58.399 --> 01:55:00.920
opened up recently Hungry Eyes, which
is a really like eighties themed kind of

1701
01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:04.359
Miami Vice style thing, a bunch
of like great appetizers and stuff. So

1702
01:55:04.439 --> 01:55:08.439
we did Turkey and the Wolf for
lunch in Hungry Eyes for dinner one time,

1703
01:55:08.760 --> 01:55:11.000
like a year or two ago.
And then he just opened up a

1704
01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:13.680
breakfast place called Molly's Rise and Shine
that we really want to try. But

1705
01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:16.479
yeah, the Mason Herberd restaurants,
they are incredible, some of the best

1706
01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:19.520
food I've ever ever had in my
life. But then also like just the

1707
01:55:19.560 --> 01:55:23.840
traditional New Orleans stuff. Coop's Place
is a good one in the French Quarter.

1708
01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:27.439
Commander's Palace is a very old one
that you need to get reservations far

1709
01:55:27.439 --> 01:55:30.840
away ahead of time. But New
Orleans is like the best food city.

1710
01:55:30.039 --> 01:55:33.239
I think there's something too food that
you should get that it doesn't matter.

1711
01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:36.000
I mean, it does matter,
but I don't care where you get it.

1712
01:55:36.159 --> 01:55:39.439
And I don't have a specific place, but I just want to name

1713
01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:43.600
some things that I think it's important
that you have while you're there. Beignet's

1714
01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:51.359
Gumbo, ye a Poe Boy,
John Balaiah Jumbalaya, and one of those

1715
01:55:51.439 --> 01:55:57.720
really heavily alcoholic drinks. The Hurricanes
or yah, the big green machines.

1716
01:55:58.079 --> 01:56:00.399
The Hurricanes are the red ones,
and then what the fuck the I always

1717
01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:02.520
mix those up. The Hurricanes are
the red ones, and those are a

1718
01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:05.760
little better. And there's just like
the neon green things on Bourbon Street.

1719
01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:10.520
I forget what they're called. The
hand grenades and they will fuck you out.

1720
01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:15.079
It's just pure sugar. They will
fuck you up crazy gas. But

1721
01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:19.920
you can get those from anywhere,
and I think they're worth it to enjoy

1722
01:56:20.119 --> 01:56:24.199
the experience on the street. So
I hope you enjoy some of those things.

1723
01:56:24.359 --> 01:56:28.479
One other thing I'll just throw out, and this is totally debatable of

1724
01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:31.560
whether or not this is your jam, but there's a lot of old history

1725
01:56:31.960 --> 01:56:39.279
in that area and really good ghost
and spooky stories, and so if you

1726
01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:45.399
want to try a ghost tour,
I did a ghost tour and I loved

1727
01:56:45.439 --> 01:56:50.760
it. It was filled with legit
buildings, right that have actual history.

1728
01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:57.159
They're not just made up and fucked
up. Stuff happened back then, and

1729
01:56:57.279 --> 01:57:00.840
so they have like genuine history and
then they'll be like, maybe she's still

1730
01:57:00.920 --> 01:57:05.520
inside, but like the stories are
scary and interesting. So I think the

1731
01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:10.239
history of the town is really worth
if you want to do a tour,

1732
01:57:10.640 --> 01:57:13.399
walking tours, if that's your jam. I know they're not for everybody,

1733
01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:15.439
but I did a ghost tour at
night. It started at like ten pm.

1734
01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:18.720
I thought it was great, So
I recommend it, but only if

1735
01:57:18.720 --> 01:57:21.760
you're into that kind of stuff.
We and also the cemetery tours where it's

1736
01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:26.319
like they have a bunch of those
urban legend stories and that is great because

1737
01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:30.439
it's it's just filled with old like
dead people. Like there's more like there's

1738
01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:33.000
so much crap that happened back then, weird old dead people stories. And

1739
01:57:33.079 --> 01:57:38.479
also like here's Nicholas Cage's pyramid tomb
that he builds a tax shelter that he's

1740
01:57:38.479 --> 01:57:42.279
going to be buried in, Like
that's the case. We saw Nicholas Cage's

1741
01:57:42.319 --> 01:57:45.479
house and it's like also filled with
like a lot of like messed up stories.

1742
01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:48.199
Like it's a very interesting area.
One of my favorite bars to stop

1743
01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:50.560
by there. It's on Bourbon Street. It's kind of like near kind of

1744
01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:55.119
the end of the really busy tourist
the spot, but it's a Lafite's blacksmith

1745
01:57:55.199 --> 01:57:59.880
shop and it's it's the longest running
bar like building that has been a bar

1746
01:58:00.159 --> 01:58:03.199
for the longest time because it's like
Pirate times seventeen hundreds and it's still lit

1747
01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:06.039
by candle light. There's like a
piano in there, but like you know,

1748
01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:09.720
good cocktails and stuff, but just
the vibe and there's just this old

1749
01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:13.399
ass stone building that pirates used to
drink in hundreds of years ago that is

1750
01:58:13.479 --> 01:58:16.680
still running as a bar on Bourbon
Street. Fucking awesome. And then Frenchman

1751
01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:19.640
Street if you want to get away
from Like everyone says, Frenchman Street is

1752
01:58:19.640 --> 01:58:24.720
Bourbon Street for locals, it's basically
less crowded, more just kind of low

1753
01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:28.399
key, like jazz stuff like that, and and good food, and less

1754
01:58:28.520 --> 01:58:30.600
just like, okay, here's a
bunch of overpriced sugary drinks and like people

1755
01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:34.079
puking. You know, Frenchman streets
a little more like low key people can

1756
01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:36.439
kind of handle their shit, and
here's just like some cool live music and

1757
01:58:36.439 --> 01:58:40.760
stuff. We stayed right off of
a Frenchman Street last time, and it

1758
01:58:40.840 --> 01:58:45.479
was very very cool over there.
So New Orleans is wrong my favorite city

1759
01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:48.640
to visit. You can't go wrong, and I do. We were earlier

1760
01:58:48.720 --> 01:58:55.039
talking about like your vacation style,
it's your style, but I really,

1761
01:58:55.359 --> 01:58:59.640
genuinely I just want to double up
on Dan's recommendation. There should be large

1762
01:58:59.680 --> 01:59:02.439
swaft of time that you haven't had
anything to plan, and your plan is

1763
01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:08.960
to walk the streets and look into
the alleyways and discover something. Don't plan

1764
01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:11.720
out your whole trip. That I
find that to be a waste. In

1765
01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:18.239
an environment as interesting as this one, you will find something and it will

1766
01:59:18.319 --> 01:59:20.960
probably be the highlight of your trip. It will not be the thing you

1767
01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:25.800
researched. It will be the thing
that you stumbled onto that is yours,

1768
01:59:26.119 --> 01:59:28.880
so little bar that you never read
about or anything. It's like, we

1769
01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:31.880
fucking love this place. Yeah,
hundred percent. One of the last thing

1770
01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:35.720
swamp tours. Swamp tours, go
fucking look some crocodiles, you know,

1771
01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:40.000
hold the old baby crocodile, Get
on an airboat, get around. It's

1772
01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:44.119
fucking awesome. Why why not?
I don't like gators or crocodile as good.

1773
01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:47.279
The best thing is when you go
on like a swamp tour. Your

1774
01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:50.880
guides are always the coolest because this
is what they do. They know all

1775
01:59:50.920 --> 01:59:54.279
the gators like by name. They're
like, oh, here comes Carl,

1776
01:59:54.520 --> 01:59:57.720
Carl, come on up and around, cool like they You're safe in the

1777
01:59:57.960 --> 02:00:02.960
hands of these guys. I don't
trust anyone to keep me safe from gators.

1778
02:00:03.039 --> 02:00:08.640
Have you seen those things in New
Orleans will keep you safe. It's

1779
02:00:08.720 --> 02:00:14.920
still not safe enough from those monstrosities. I will never be within ten feet

1780
02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:17.079
of a gator. You're just makes
me want to go to New Orleans thinking

1781
02:00:17.079 --> 02:00:20.960
about this. Yeah, it's so
good. The coffees, the frozen coffees

1782
02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:26.439
with booze in them, like starting
your day with one of those. Good.

1783
02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:30.640
I want to go back to New
or Yeah, let's do our top

1784
02:00:30.680 --> 02:00:34.680
ten in New Orleans this year.
Oh my, we would die in New

1785
02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:41.840
Orleans. Jesus be so drunk.
It kind of sounds amazing. I would

1786
02:00:41.840 --> 02:00:44.439
go to the same place on Frenchman
Street I got last time. It is

1787
02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:45.800
awesome. Oh, it'd be a
great place to do. Oh fuck,

1788
02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:49.960
I could bring cameras. We could
totally do that and just do a do

1789
02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:54.119
a meet up for people who are
around there. I wonder how many.

1790
02:00:54.520 --> 02:00:59.199
I wonder how many fans we have
in New or Louisiana or like that,

1791
02:00:59.359 --> 02:01:03.000
like mississipp No, Texas sound off. What a cool fucking place though.

1792
02:01:03.079 --> 02:01:05.399
Wait, we have people in Texas. We have people who argue about being

1793
02:01:05.640 --> 02:01:10.399
the most biggest fan from what San
Marcos. All right, all right,

1794
02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:14.760
well there you go. There's some
recommendations Jesse enjoy your trip. Well we'll

1795
02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:20.880
it's in November, so we have
time. You have time. H there

1796
02:01:20.920 --> 02:01:23.680
you go. There's the emails.
Like I said, you can ran to

1797
02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:28.279
fire skip cast at gmail dot com
and that's our episode. That's episode eighty

1798
02:01:28.319 --> 02:01:34.760
two. I'm off in a few
days. We have crazy summer stuff coming

1799
02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:39.239
up, but I think hopefully we
can make it through the summer with no

1800
02:01:39.359 --> 02:01:44.359
more than one of us gone per
episode. But I will not be here

1801
02:01:44.479 --> 02:01:47.079
next episode. Yeah, it will
be in sansera. I think when you're

1802
02:01:47.159 --> 02:01:51.479
recording. Let me see. I
sent a DM to a somebody I think

1803
02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:55.680
would be great for the next one, and I got a yes, I'd

1804
02:01:55.720 --> 02:02:00.319
love to from the person we talked
to or we talked about Mary so good

1805
02:02:00.399 --> 02:02:03.520
on that person. I right say
it or just not? I mean,

1806
02:02:03.840 --> 02:02:06.039
schedule stuff can get weird. I
don't know what my surgery is going to

1807
02:02:06.079 --> 02:02:09.760
be, but uh, it's a
it won't be a shocking to be a

1808
02:02:10.119 --> 02:02:14.920
friend of the This will this will
shock you know. This is not widely

1809
02:02:15.239 --> 02:02:18.399
wildly outside of our friend of the
podcast, but let it be known not

1810
02:02:19.640 --> 02:02:26.079
my best friend apparently is probably right, thank you. As I found out

1811
02:02:26.920 --> 02:02:32.000
Harsh that's Manati. It could be
anyone. It could be a father of

1812
02:02:32.159 --> 02:02:40.479
two, It could be anyone.
Anyone. Naughty Mike, Mike manah,

1813
02:02:41.119 --> 02:02:47.520
Mike, naughty Mike Mike naughty,
Mike nay Mike, Mike naughty, Mike

1814
02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:58.239
Manaughy Mike, Mike naughty, Mike
naughty Mike, Mike nay Mike. Yeah.

1815
02:02:58.279 --> 02:03:02.319
So once it's locked in, we'll
be much like hell Blade that went

1816
02:03:02.399 --> 02:03:14.640
on for way too long, six
that felt like six hours, made that

1817
02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:20.000
well high. They can do for
merch, go to fourth Wall. You're

1818
02:03:20.039 --> 02:03:25.680
gonna want to check out our summer
line Fate merch dot com. Go to

1819
02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:28.920
fire Skate merch dot com. Why
do I keep tossing this to you every

1820
02:03:28.960 --> 02:03:34.039
episode because you believe in me?
Yeah. I have put together quite the

1821
02:03:34.359 --> 02:03:42.560
tremendous fire Escape summer collection. There's
some really good T shirts, tank tops,

1822
02:03:42.920 --> 02:03:47.479
booty shorts, there's a very scantily
clad bikini in there. There's banana

1823
02:03:47.560 --> 02:03:53.439
yellow bathing shorts. You're gonna want
to get there. We will retweet anything

1824
02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:59.000
that you not anything. We will
retweet most of the things that you send

1825
02:03:59.079 --> 02:04:01.680
to us wearing our merch. So, Mike Manati, we're in the TI

1826
02:04:02.319 --> 02:04:08.399
We did please We March. We
love. Fourth of July. You got

1827
02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:12.960
like a whole one more month to
stock up before those you bust out those

1828
02:04:13.039 --> 02:04:16.119
bods. Fourth of July weekend if
you're in America. But that's also the

1829
02:04:16.119 --> 02:04:19.760
weekend we're ending the sale worldwide,
So even if you're not in America,

1830
02:04:19.880 --> 02:04:25.159
do it. Dan, tell them
what they could do on Spotify and iTunes,

1831
02:04:25.199 --> 02:04:27.920
et cetera. You can do the
rating thing. I don't know if

1832
02:04:27.960 --> 02:04:31.000
it works, but yeah, I
don't know. If you're bored. If

1833
02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:33.520
you're bored, just give us five
stars or whatever it is. Yeah,

1834
02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:36.279
it has to be. It has
to be. It has to be five

1835
02:04:36.319 --> 02:04:46.960
stars. Yeah, and then yeah, we uh we we're into summer a

1836
02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:50.439
few weeks out. Oh yeah,
joint summer. In my mind, June

1837
02:04:50.479 --> 02:04:54.840
twenty first, it was like eighty
five degrees in humid here all weekend on

1838
02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:59.159
Memorial Day. After Memorial Day is
the beginning of summer in New York.

1839
02:04:59.199 --> 02:05:03.199
In my opinion, we hail here
today, ice falling from the sky.

1840
02:05:03.960 --> 02:05:09.920
Its too, it can't happen.
It's mostly nice though, it's been mostly

1841
02:05:10.039 --> 02:05:13.600
you know, seventy eighty And what
do you have going on outside of fire

1842
02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:17.359
Escape? Oh boy, you're listening
to this. We're probably right about to

1843
02:05:17.560 --> 02:05:25.199
do our giant bomb summer games fest
stuff. So tune in Friday and Saturday,

1844
02:05:25.239 --> 02:05:28.800
We'll be doing our live shows with
the Couches and then Sunday night,

1845
02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:31.640
June ninth at the bell Weather in
Los Angeles. We have a live show

1846
02:05:31.720 --> 02:05:36.319
tickets around sale now look it up
when I come attend and purpose in purpose

1847
02:05:36.520 --> 02:05:40.319
in person is what I meant to
say. Mary, I think I might

1848
02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:44.600
be seeing you right. Yeah.
My update is the same. I will

1849
02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:49.960
be going to Summer Games Fest to
hang out with some streamers and then I'm

1850
02:05:50.039 --> 02:05:55.039
gonna hang out with you on the
couch and I will also be there.

1851
02:05:55.079 --> 02:05:58.960
I wouldn't miss it. I absolutely
love seeing your live shows. They're so

1852
02:05:59.079 --> 02:06:01.399
fun, So I will be there. He'll be great, Mary, What

1853
02:06:01.520 --> 02:06:04.359
you have going on? That's it. That's my update. I'm gonna go

1854
02:06:04.520 --> 02:06:08.840
there. I'm gonna go. I
can't wait to go to there. What

1855
02:06:09.000 --> 02:06:11.760
about you, Mike? We know
you're going on vacation. You're gonna be

1856
02:06:11.800 --> 02:06:15.439
gone, You're yeah, he can'll
probably get your bags packed and your hat

1857
02:06:15.520 --> 02:06:19.800
ready to go vacation, which I
assume you have, which I have?

1858
02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:24.720
I have assumed that you have.
Yep, I have I have several Uh

1859
02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:28.319
No, will be during Summer Games
best That's what The fourth, the sixth,

1860
02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:32.520
sixth to the eighth. Yes,
we'll be in I'll be in Bordeaux

1861
02:06:32.760 --> 02:06:38.399
during that whole time, not not
not thinking about, not talking about video

1862
02:06:38.479 --> 02:06:41.319
games. I'm I'm video games might
come up between my wife and I,

1863
02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:45.640
but I won't be on the show. I'm gonna try to call I'm gonna

1864
02:06:45.640 --> 02:06:47.239
try to FaceTime Dan at some point
when I'm wearing like a linen suit and

1865
02:06:48.640 --> 02:06:53.079
with a vineyard behind me. My
dad's about to be in town for my

1866
02:06:53.159 --> 02:06:57.640
fortieth so he would love that.
He really he relates to you, Mike.

1867
02:06:57.880 --> 02:07:00.479
Yeah, I think he'll be jealous. Yeah, yeah, he'll be

1868
02:07:00.560 --> 02:07:02.399
like, oh, Bordeaux, that's
for the best. Yeah, grapes are

1869
02:07:03.079 --> 02:07:08.479
yeah, yeah, it's exactly.
I'm so jealous of those grapes. Yeah,

1870
02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:11.039
right off, you can eat him
right off the vine and you get

1871
02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:14.119
drunk. Oh, he's gonna be
jealous. He's gonna be so jealousy.

1872
02:07:14.600 --> 02:07:19.720
That's also where the all the best
baseball cards coming from is based there.

1873
02:07:20.479 --> 02:07:29.640
Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna go
to their satellite and and pick up some

1874
02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:35.039
Yogi barras alongside of our Chateau Fisioc. The best Kirby puckets come from there.

1875
02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:40.039
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
all right, everybody, thank you

1876
02:07:40.119 --> 02:07:44.159
for joining for episode seventy two.
I will see everybody in a couple episodes,

1877
02:07:44.199 --> 02:07:45.680
but Dan and Mary, you'll be
back on the next one in a

1878
02:07:45.720 --> 02:07:50.880
couple of weeks. It's true.
I'll listen to see if I'll listen to

1879
02:07:50.880 --> 02:07:57.039
see if Mike or Mitch rather is
is nicer to me this time being best

1880
02:07:57.079 --> 02:08:01.119
friends with me. He's very cool, he's pretty good. He's pretty cool.

1881
02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:05.119
Alright, well, i'll see YouTube
later. We'll see everybody else in

1882
02:08:05.199 --> 02:08:07.159
a couple of weeks. Bye,
bye, bye,