Let's see will have the impossible or whatever I made however improbable must be true.
And it is not a question of a LiPo cultism. What a touch
of mysticism is to dead? It is vampires. There as a host of
damned souls and hellipots, thy father spirit doomed for a certain term to walk
the night here. The old gods aren't dead, and what is the true
God? He is dead? Can't complain people assume the time is a strict
progression of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,
it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimy stuff. You're
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I almost pulled an Irene there and almost flubbed the beginning. She would
really tear me a new one for that, but unfortunately she's a little under
the weather so not able to join us tonight. So let's wish her well
and she'll be back for the next show. I think I wore out when
I was over there, running around all these different castles and going to Stonehenge
and all these other places. I'll be honest with you, I wish I
was still over there. I had such a good time. It was phenomenal
actually doing a show sitting across the table from Irene in the flesh. And
I know I've mentioned this before for those of you who don't know, because
Irene and I have been working together for well over ten years on not only
this radio station, but various projects. And yet when I went over there
the beginning of August, that was the first time we ever got to meet
in person. So that was an exceptional treat and felt perfectly natural, and
quite honestly, I think this name would love it if I moved over there,
which is very tempting. So in any case, I'm back in the
States and moving forward, and we have our guest for tonight. I'm really
fascinated and ready to talk to this guest. So our guest tonight is Wayne
Salmon. Now Wayne It was born in Ohio. He's a novelist, poet,
painter, musician, and songwriter. But he is also very much a
philosopher metaphysician, and he's traveled the globes, studied the roots of humanities,
many religions, spiritual traditions, and numerous secret societies. For decades, he's
immersed himself in the writings of the world's philosophers, mystics, yogis and wisdom
masters. And he has a new book out called The Journey Across Forever,
a magical, provocative odyssey across the ages, around the world, and into
the great beyond. So Wayne, welcome to the program. Thank you very
much. Mark. It's lovely to be here. Now. You're originally from
Ohio, but you're now living over in Ireland. That's correct. Yeah,
I've been here about twenty five years or so. Now my wife is Irish
and so yeah, we were together in the States for many years. I
lived in San Francisco about fifteen years or so. I've also lived in Australia,
Boulder, Colorado, and a few other places we won't go into here.
But I've done a lot of traveling, all right. But this is
where I have where the journey has come and brought me to. Shall we
say, I'm amazed you haven't picked up the Irish accent. No, I
wouldn't attempt that. Now you have to stay genuine to your roots, is
my opinion on that. See, I'm a chameleon. Whenever I've go places
and I get immersed in a culture, if it has a different accent,
I just naturally start acquiring it. I spent a month in Oklahoma once working
on a movie, and I came back with the worst Midwestern twang that took
me about a whole month to be able to get rid of. Didn't pick
up the English while I was over there, because there's so many different accents
depending on where you're at, especially where I was in Wales. So like
that, by the way, have like areas where the accents are very different.
So it's quite quite interesting to learn to recognize where persons from just from
their accent. Here true true with all the different counties and different sections of
Yeah, I mean, you travel over to the next county over and they're
speaking completely different. So let's talk a little bit. You've got your book
journey across Forever. You're an author not only of non fiction but fiction books
as well. Yes, my first four books are fiction, and they are
thrillers with a lot of metaphysical and spiritual things woven into them. But at
the same time, because they're thrillers. There's a lot of the dark side
there as well. But I think you know, we're holistic beings and we
live in a very dualistic world. So you've got the light and the dark,
the good and the evil, and I tried to make the Journey Across
Forever reflect that as well, because there's there's so many things that can be
disturbing in our world, as everyone knows, like America right now is a
very divided politically, and there's just so many different ways of looking at life.
But you're always going to be this broad spectrum with the light and the
dark and the good and the evil at each end. And so I wanted
to make the Journey Across Forever entertaining though at the same time. So there's
there's great depth and profound insights, a lot of travel adventures though as well,
And I look at the light side and the dark side throughout the book.
So what started you on this, this metaphysical journey to get to this
point, because I mean, looking at your bio and with your books,
you've traveled the world, looking into all sorts of different religions and philosophies.
What spurred all that in you? I think that it all began when I
was still very young, and I've noticed that I was dreaming quite a bit
about flying, and these flying dreams were recurring, and as the years went
on, I would make greater and greater effort to rise up higher and higher
in the sky, and they were really intriguing to me. And then when
I was around ten or eleven, one day, my brother and I were
throwing a baseball back and forth in our front yard. It was the middle
of the day, a sunny day, not a cloud in the sky,
when a small, round flying disc came right over the top of our roof.
We were in the front yard, so it came from the backside of
the house, flew over, and it was a beautiful round flying disc with
two people aboard. They looked totally human to me. But in retrospect,
I have a great wonderment about that because I'd never seen an object like this
again and all these years, so that particular incident stuck with me for many
years. And can I ask you, if I'm sorry, I can I
ask you a few questions about that. Now, How close was the craft
to you? And how you know in order for you to be able to
see what through a window or whatnot of these people. No, all right,
let me explain. This was not what you'd call a typical flying saucer.
It was more like a shuttlecraft that was a flat, round disc with
a railing around it. And these people were actually standing at the back railing.
Wow. Yeah, and they were They looked like two characters out of
Star Trek in retrospect, like like brown you know, kind of space age
uniforms. And they were so low in the sky. You know, if
I had this really strong picture's arm, I think I could have hit him
with the baseball. They were that low in the sky, and we looked
up. We were surprised, but we waved at them, and they waved
back at us, and there wasn't a sound to be heard, no engine
noises or anything like that. And quite curiously, their hair was not flying
about all while when they're right out in the open air at this back railing.
So I've concluded in time, after much reading, which I was stimulated
by this to read a lot of UFO literature, I've decided that these were
maybe humanoids and not just normal human beings, because, as I say,
I've never seen such a craft again, and you know, there's no pictures
of such craft and so forth. There was one incident in New Guinea which
kind of resembles it. For people who are into Ufo literature, they'll recognize
when I'm talking about. There was a father I can't think of his name
at the moment, but it was like thirty seven witnesses to a craft that
hovered in the sky and had a railing around it that way, and these
beans were on there doing something, and the priest and the others with him
waved at these figures and they waved back. So that's you know, I
want to Jack Ballet's books if anybody wants to look it up. I think
the place is called Bow and I in New Guinea. But that stimulated my
interest, and I really, from a young age started reading about UFOs and
really had a curiosity about that. So I do want I'm sure already keep
interrupting you, but I did have to. I wanted to make a point
before we got too much further. You talked about your flying dreams. Yeah,
okay, I have had flying dreams most of my life, not many
lately. But let me tell you something I learned over time that I frecking
love flying in my dreams. I mean now, I thought that meant I
could also see I can get on an airplane, no problem. But I
thought, oh, maybe I tried learning how to fly, and I took
a flying lesson once, and being in that cramped little cockpit of that crappy
plane scared the living daylights out of me. And I realized, it's you
have so much more freedom in your quote unquote dreams. And you know what
I mean by that, of actual flying and going and wherever you want is
just it's the most amazing experience. Yes, really, and I'm not I
never tried to become a violet either. But quite interestingly, my first novel
was inspired by these flying dreams, and it's entitled The Dream Illuminati, and
I was inspired from reading Robert Anton Wilson's work on his Cosmic Trigger book especially
was a huge influence on me. And it was his publisher, which is
Fou Compressed, that accepted my first novel, which was actually named Vermana initially
in the Vermanas, as some I know, are flying craft from India from
the ancient days in the danta Vedic traditions they have and like in the Bagavad
Gita and some of those books they talk about these flying machines called vermana.
So I was intrigued by that. I tied that into my my own flying
dreams. And then having seen the craft that I saw at ten or eleven
years of age, so all of that I came up with like a fictional
group of people who were living their flying dreams. So they had personal jet
packs, and they started buying up old churches and having rituals and all kinds
of things going on, and they were living out their dreams to fly.
H fantastic now with the UA as we call them UAPs these days, not
just flying saucers and I because UFO, I guess, has taken on so
much of a you mentioned UFO automatically everybody thinks alien spaceships, and so now
the new phrases UAP unidentified aerial phenomenon because let's face it, some things that
people seeing this guy don't look like physical craft. There's the plasmic kind of
orbs that are have been seen, other types of lights in the sky.
Now you saw you, you had an encounter, not once but twice.
True when I was fourteen or fifteen somewhere in that range. I was walking
with a friend in our neighborhood. We lived in the country, but there
was a group of houses together and you know, a lot of open fields
and teams, and we were walking toward my friend's house. It was nighttime,
very dark, stars were out, no clouds, but a strange craft
came flying very low in the sky again toward us as we were crossing this
field. And this is a very strange encounter, to say the least,
which I described in my book The Journey Across Forever. But I think it's
significant for a reason because it is so strange, and that is this vehicle
kind of came cruising in again, not a sound, just very silent as
a large kind of oval object. And the thing that startled us. We
were looking up at it and we were thinking, you know, what is
this this is? I mean, it didn't have no wings like it definitely
wasn't an airplane or a helicopter, but it was just cruising along, just
this oval object. And suddenly the two of us had the absolute realization that
this object had become aware of us. And this happens if you read lou
Fo literature, where there is this sense that the thing is aware of you,
and it startled us and we broke into a run, but the thing
turned like suddenly, it just made a complete turn, as if it was
following us. So again we're very set and worried about this. But then
very strangely, the thing on top broke into flames and we could hear the
crackling of the fire, it was that low to the ground, and then
in an instant it was just snuffed out, which was really weird. And
the thing just kept floating across the sky with trailing smoke and disappeared into the
distance. So, like you know, you talk about high strangeness, and
some people say this is the true sign of this otherness, this otherworldly kind
of intrusion from an inter dimensional possibly group of entities. We don't know,
but I didn't see any anyone aboard at night, but it was very dark.
But that's a very absurd, strange encounter. It almost sounds like the
craft had a malfunction of some kind. Yeah, possibly, or like you
said, it's just it was doing something that's just beyond our comprehension, which
in most cases is true because there's so much of this type of phenomenon that
currently is beyond our comprehension. We think we're at the pinnacle of science.
You know, we think we know. Science thinks it knows almost everything these
days, and quite frankly, is they don't have a clue about reality.
Well that's the thing about the UAPs. I think, you know, the
military is only admitting that they're real now, but they don't know. They
don't know what these things are, who's in control of them. They certainly
don't know if they're friendly or they're not. And so all these questions,
like, they don't want to admit publicly that they have no clue how to
control this phenomenon or how to deal with it. But they are finally at
least admitting and show they have shown some videos like the TikTok, the famous
TikTok video. Now, but these things, these objects, they defy the
physics as we know them. Man, that's a very strange thing. So,
yeah, they're very, very complex and mysterious objects. Obviously, most
of these objects tend to exhibit an intelligence. And in some cases, let's
say, well if we're if we're talking about some of these more plasma like
anomalies that don't look like tradu sal nuts and bolts craft, and yet they
still behave and maneuver with intelligence. They can react to you and your thoughts
or intentions. People have called out to them, I know, with doctor
Stephen Greer and his CE five program, people putting out their intentions to connect
with these types of craft or phenomenon that and they get responses from them.
So, yeah, you'll have heard of blowing orbital. You may have heard
of a Chris bled so like he seems to be able to practically see him
on a daily basis now or a nightly basis. Yeah, I'm familiar with
Chris. Yeah, it's almost like, you know, the same type of
phenomenon that they keep encountering at skin Walker Ranch. You know, which is
which the television show is, which I think is fantastic in its in its
own way of showing this type of strange phenomenon right, and how hard it
is for modern science to even categorize it. I know. The forward of
my book The Journey Across Forever, you know, was written by Colonel John
B. Alexander, John Alexander Okay, yes, and he has his own
books like Reality Denied and UFOs Myths Conspiracies and realities, which I highly recommend.
But he also has been associated with the Skinwalker Ranch, you know,
and like what he describes in one of his books about how there was like
a portal that just appeared that these people that were there were able to see
at a strange creature crawled out of this portal, a big, very thing
of sub kind, and does that will look like Bigfoot? Yeah, trudged
off, you know. And I'm starting to think like the psychoanalyst Carl Jung
used the word psychoid, which I find intriguing because he was kind of saying,
this is a realm sort of between mind and matter, the psychoid realm.
So I'm starting to think that perhaps a better description might be unidentified psychoid
phenomena to kind of encompass everything like what's going on at the skin Walker Ranch,
as well as these flying objects, because not all of these objects are
aerial phenomena, you know. And another possibility might be unidentified plasmic phenomena.
So I'm reading a book now about plasma, the fourth state of matter,
and it's quite intriguing the idea that that there is some kind of material constitution
to these things. But it's it's so fine and subtle that you know,
we mostly don't see it with the naked eye at all. No. And
yet also I know of people who have experienced these light phenomenas, not just
viewing them in the sky, but people walking in the woods, certain locations
where this phenomena appears at ground level, and a few a few paranormal hotspot
locations where people have seen and videotape these lights. It can be like red
or green or orange, just moving through the woods, and whenever they try
to follow it, it moves away or disappears. I myself have seen a
formation of orange globes, for lack of a better term, flying past me
in their early evening. They were about fifteen or twenty of them in a
line, not in a straight line. They were following each other, but
it was a loose formation. They were all moving individual tually. They made
no noise that I could tell. I was stuck in my car in traffic,
so I couldn't get out or film them, much to my annoyance.
They weren't very far away from me, but they were traveling from west to
east in a straight line. And they weren't drones. They didn't have any
fa lighting on them whatsoever, and again made I rolled down my window.
They made no noise, and so you can honestly say it's an unidentify I
had aerial phenomenon. Can I tell you what they were? Nope, But
I saw them on one other occasion too, just down and here the Jersey
shore a couple of years ago. My wife and my sister in law were
with me at the time, and we all three saw them coming up the
beach and then moving out over the ocean. There was about they came in
pairs, about two two two at a time, come up the beach and
then make a right turn out in the ocean disappear. The cloud layer all
orange globes. Never been able to explain those. Wow, Balian, so
you've seen you saw they were orange globes on both occasions. Yes, they
looked identical to what I saw both times. My wife was convinced that they
were military in nature, and I'm sidering they're going, no, these are
not military. Yeah, I don't think so, that's the wise. I
think that that would be some kind of record way are like, or videos
or something of them. It eventually gets out. But some very mysterious things
going on in our world, isn't there. Well, here's my take on
it, and you can tell me your thoughts, because I think this fits
in perfectly with your book and your research. Is I have been of the
opinion in the last few years. I've been researching the paranormal for almost twenty
years, and the last several years my way of thinking has completely changed,
where most of the phenomenon that all seems separate is actually related, and that
our perception of reality is so extremely narrow. We just don't have the senses
or the abilities to sense everything that's around us all the time. It's like
the light spectrum. If you look at the full light spectrum, visible light
takes up a sliver of that spectrum. Yet yeah, there's things going out
on both sides, going all the way out to the infrared into the ultraviolet,
different different radio frequencies and radiation and all of this stuff, But it's
all part of the light spectrum. I think what we are able to perceive
here in the physical reality everyday lives. First of all, we're trained since
childhood to ignore most of it that can't be real. Don't think about that,
don't look at that man behind the curtain, and yet so many people
have all these experiences, which shows that there is something measurable that is going
on that is just as much a part of our reality as air. Yeah.
Yeah, we talk about the paranormal and the supernatural, but I think
there's a dimension of the natural world that, like you say, that we're
just not aware of, because you know, we have limited sensing of capabilities,
and we are all acculturated people who are you know, we learn to
see things a certain way and to describe things a certain way, and when
these anomalies come along, we're just completely lost to just describe them properly or
to understand what they are. But I think they are part of the natural
world. They're they're part of a reality that we are all members of.
But for whatever reason, whether it was intentional or non intentional, because obviously
some people are more in tune and in touch and able to see this type
of phenomenon. My friend Irene, my co host, is very very sensitive
to these types of energies and phenomenon and other people aren't. And I think
a lot of it's been programmed out of us, whether biologically a long time
ago or just in the way that we're we grew up in Western society.
Yeah. And I think another aspect of this has to do with when we
leave the body. You know, some people have out of body experiences,
and very convincing out of body experiences where they saw certain things like the famous
shoe on the roof that particular person had seen and then was able to prove
that that shoe was way up on the roof somewhere of the hospital. But
I think it all does tie into the other world of legend, you know,
the avalon or even the idea of heaven. And I do think that
we are our spiritual entities primarily, who upon leaving the physical body, enter
a dimension which we think of is the afterlife. And I have quite a
few chapters in the book about the afterlife, and I postulate that what we
have here is a new paradigm reality based on all these people that have had
near death experiences. And one of the people who endorsed my book was Whitley
Strieber, and he recently, in one of his newer books, wrote how
he had left out a certain aspect of a thing he saw when he wrote
his book famous book Communion. He didn't put it in the book Communion,
because it made no sense to him at the time, he said, But
in this newer book, I think it's called a New World. He wrote
about how he had seen a deceased friend on one of those spacecraft. Very
familiar with Whitley, Yeah, in his background in that story. And I
was listening to an interview with Robert Bigelow and Jeffrey Mischlov there yesterday and they
were saying how the whole UAP or UFO mystery seems to be tied into this
other dimension to do with the afterlife, very like, very much, you
know. So so yeah, I'd have a lot about that in the book
and tie it all together. And then there's another story I'll tell you which
when we think of you know, we we are carnate beings or incarnate beings,
and then there are discarnate beings, which you know, you might think
of ghosts, for example, But I think spirits that transition, you know,
from the body into this other world are discarnent entities, and a lot
of them are were formerly human and maybe some of them, you know,
we're never human. But when I was living in Australia, I was traveling
across the country from Perth to back to Melbourne, where I was living at
the time, and it's a very long journey. Australia is as big as
the continent the United States, so anybody who's made a cross country journeys across
America knows how those wide open spaces can be and how tiring it can be.
So I got almost to Adelaide from Perth and decided I had a whole
nother day to travel to Melbourne. So I just took a road, just
a random road down to the ocean and set up camp there for the night.
So it was early afternoon and I went exploring and was I just love
shells and rocks and things, so I always liked to go and look for
these kinds of things, things of interest that way, and I noticed a
cave and it was a very low opening to the cave, but when I
peeked in, I could see light inside the cave, which you looked really
interesting and it was a curious thing to see. So I crawled into the
cave and basically at high tide, I assume it was a blowhole. So
the cave had an opening in its roof and in the middle of that sunny
patch was a long, oblong stone with kind of criss crossing bands on it,
so it's about as long as my forearm is sizeable rock. But I
thought this is really cool. I really liked this rock, and I assumed
that because it had been rolled in the surfer, could be centuries or millenniums
for all we know that it was a natural object, and so I took
it with me. Now what's interesting is that the next day I drove home
to Melbourne and I was just put things in the bedroom, including that stone,
and I took a shower, set back on the bed to read a
book, and after a little bit of time of reading, I happened to
look up and I noticed the whole top of the room was full of mist,
and this was especially evident around the green Chinese lantern shade that hung in
the middle of the room. And I had to wonder if there was some
kind of fire or something. So I began, like you know, trying
to look into that and find out what was going on. But the room
was very, very misty. And then I happened to notice that there was
this large spiral spinning around over by the old Victorian fireplace, and it was
about as big as the upper half of my body, you know, And
so it was a sizeable spiral, and there was a clock beside the bed.
So for a solid hour I watched this spiral. I kind of tried
to communicate and wondering I could just sort of sense and intelligence there. And
at one point the spiral came toward me and it entered me and swirled around
inside me. I kind of got the impression that it was checking me out,
you know. Wow. Yeah, And then it backed up and it
went back to the little area it had been in, but near the fireplace.
And then there was a car engine that started up outside and it was
kind of loud and posted the house, so seemed to trigger some kind of
new dynamic at that moment, and the spiral started crackling, and then it
shot up through the ceiling of the bedroom and in an absolute instant, the
room just cleared out. All the mist just absolutely vanished. And so that
was an amazing, you know, experience all by itself, but there was
a lot more to it than I realized at the time. A few days
later, this Australian couple came over friends, you know, and they looked
at the stone and they said this is an aboriginal artiffact, and they thought
it was. They weren't sure, but they said, I think you've you
know, you're not supposed to take any aboriginal art effect from wherever you find
it or happened to come across it. So I was, you know,
I was curious then, and I happened to go into an aborigine shop about
a week later, and they were selling didgery dues and boomerangs and all that
kind of stuff, and there was an Aborigine woman in there tending the shop.
So I told her about it, and she said, it does sound
like an aboriginal artifact. And she said no, I have a friend who's
a professor at the University of Melbourne and he would know. So, you
know, if you bring me the stone, I'll show it to him and
we'll see what he says. So I did that. I brought her the
stone. She took it to the professor and a day or two after that,
I got a phone call from her and she said, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry I had to give the stone away. And I was like,
why what happened? And she said the professor did identify it as an aboriginal
artifact. In fact, she said it's a charinga, a power stone,
and suddenly I connected the spiral, the spinning spiral, with this stone.
And my point here is, I think what I experienced was a discarded being
from the dream time. So absolutely fascinating. The Aborigine Society of South Australia
said two Aborigine shaman to collect that stone. They flew him to Melbourne for
this stone. That's how important it was to them, because the professor had
identified it as such. So it was a charinga, a power stone,
and apparently this discarnate entity from the dream time was residing in that stone,
and it was invisible except for the fact that this misted just come out of
nowhere and filled the room. And if there hadn't been a mist, I
wouldn't have known that this entity was even there. So that's one of the
fascinating stories in the book, and it really convinced me that there are discarnate
beings and that the Aborigines are on the right track, believing that there is
a dream time, like we come from it and we return to it.
So that's their word, I think for the other world of legend, you
know, the Avalon or valhalla, whatever word you might want to use for
this other world. Some would say heaven, but the afterlife, the hereafter,
etc. Well, your story is really struck a chord with me right
now. I've studied shamanism through some shamanic practition or training that I went through
a few years ago. I really feel the Aborigines of Aboriginal people of Australia
have probably one of the most one of the oldest cultures in the world,
but also are very much in tune not only with nature, but of all
of these other I hate using the word spiritual energies because I think it goes
far beyond just thinking in spiritual terms, these other doorways to other worlds,
other dimensions. A lot of times, and you see even in Native American
pictographs and artwork, they always use spirals, just like you described. Aborigine
in their artwork and cave drawings have the spirals. And if I may interject,
there are in fact thousands of spirals etched into stone in Australia. As
it turns out, they're called petricklypts and they are all over the country.
So that is their depiction of a dream time entity. I believe, yes,
I think a dreamtime entity or possibly even a portal. That's an interesting
thought. Yeah, I know that recently with the skin Walker ranched they had
discovered petrick glypts from the Uton and Navajo people who occupied by the area,
and there was even they even have on top of the mesa stone monolith structure
in a spiral and the spire. They also had spirals on the Petrick glyphs,
and which they're starting to lean towards the idea of that interpreting that as
a type of portal or a vortex of energy at some point. And I
think it's very important considering how many cultures across the world have used that type
of imagery. I believe there's even old caveman art, you know, going
back to prehistoric times where they find these ancient cave arts that also have the
spiral. Yeah, and Ireland here where I live now, also has spirals
on stone some of their more famous ancient structures, you know. So the
sacred spiral is it does seem to be a universal motif, doesn't It does?
And you're also talking about with the other side, the other realm,
whatever one way I look at it is. We don't come from here.
We're here, I call us, we're spiritual beings having a human experience.
We come from that other realm where we are obtained, this consciousness in these
bodies for the short time we hear for these physical experiences, and when it's
done, you go right back to where you came from, sometimes even coming
back multiple times, depending on the experiences you need, because there's certain experiences
that they really can't experience in those other dimensions and realities that you can experience
here in the third physical dimension. Right. Yeah, it's very true,
and I have multiple chapters in the book about why I think that we're here
for spiritual enrichment, and it's so correct that we do need them sterial world
for some experiences to be you know, a life and death experiences that will
enrich you, whether it's you know, even negative things can have constitute a
very huge learning lesson for your spiritual lesson and the whole of course, we
all deal with the death of our loved ones and our own demise looms in
the future. And so yeah, you're very correct about that, I think,
and I think it's the the what the returnees from the near death experience
tell us about what goes on in the afterlight does constitute a new paradigm for
us. And if we heed the lessons they give us, which I have
a lot about that in the journey across forever, we can improve our future
tremendously, and in fact, we can grow the soul and we can become
enlightened if we are really attentive to our karma. And you alluded to reincarnation
there. I think it's a very real phenomenon, and that we come back
to this world if we need more or lessons of a certain type or a
very specific lesson, and that all of that apparently is planned out ahead of
time before we even are born. Yeah, it's people sometimes in this lifetime,
especially people who've experienced very horrible things, and they sit there and they
think why me, or they get mad and blame God, or they want
to know why is this is happening? And it's sometimes living in this existence
is very, very, very tough. And yet there's been a lot of
work with hypnotherapists like Laris Cannon, doctor Leo Sprinkle, even John doctor John
Mac who you know, have when they've done these hypnotic regressions on people.
Well, even the work of doctor doctor Brian Weiss, that that people before
they come into these lifetimes, they're like all excited and joyful, fully planning
all of these bad things that's gonna happen to them because they're excited for the
experience. Now while we're here, I'm not gonna lie. It sucks and
it's no fun. I mean, I've gone through some incredible trauma in the
last several months that trust me it you know, I use I use humorous
terms. It blows chunks. But at the same time, I also recognize
the lessons that I have learned during all of this time, during all the
past instances of bad times I've went through, or let's say mistakes I think
I made, and I realized now every one of those things happened to bring
me to where I am at this moment in time, which right now I'm
on the pinnacle of a brand new whatever you want to call it, adventure
life path, what things are starting new that led everything I experienced up to
this moment has brought me here exact and a huge realization that everyone should should
come to and that is all of the Greeks, they might suffer or whatever
has happened to understand what happened, and to really deeply and profoundly meditate on
and contemplated, ruminate on it and understand what the spiritual lesson is there,
and you will be enriched from that experience, even if it was horrible while
it was going on. Well, let me ask you your thoughts on the
difference between the spiritual and the religion. Just well, I am one of
those people that distinguishes them very distinctly. I think religion is institutionalized spirituality,
but it's second hand for most people, is not firsthand experience. And I
think spirituality, I mean to understand it to any degree, really you must
experience things directly and it's very very important that you, you know, go
your own way, do your own thing. I belong to no particular religion,
although I did grow up Catholic. But we've seen some of the things
that have occurred with the priests and the nuns and so forth, and like,
institutionalized religion can be stifling to the spirit and these hard core doctrination kind
of things. I just think it's people imposing their will, people of authority
who will become self appointed authority. I must say that they're imposing their will
on others and they're trying to control others. And I just believe in being
a free spirit. I believe strongly, and this is throughout my book The
Journey Across Forever. I talk about spiritual liberation, So free in yourself of
what's your cultural conditioning, your compulsions, all the indoctrinations that go along with
religion and with politics as well. You know, our ethics and morals come
from our spiritual base, our spiritual foundation, so it's important to really dig
deep into yourself. And I think, you know, I mean it's almost
a cliche now, but the ultimate beauty of life is in love, and
it's in compassion, being kind and compassionate to our fellow human beings. And
I'll say this as well. This is a key insight, and that is
that those who have had a near death experience, almost invariably, they have
had a life review where they not only saw their life flash before their eyes
again, but they felt everything they felt, and even more importantly, they
felt how they made others feel. So they felt the emotions of all those
around them who they influenced in some way or affected in some way. And
I call this the ultimate karmic moment where everything we do comes back to us
during this life review, and many have said it can be excruciating to realize
how you made other people feel. But of course there's the positive side as
well. So the more kind you are, the more compassionate you are,
the more loving you are, the more beautiful that life review is going to
be, and you're going to feel good about yourself rather than may be a
shame of some of the things you did and so forth. Well, I
can tell you that I am very familiar with that concept. I am sure
not looking forward to now. Yes, in the end, it's all about
the overall experiences and what you learn from it. You judge yourself. You're
not like going to be sitting under a panel of judges or God and if
you didn't do enough, you're going to hell. I mean right, we
judge ourselves. That's what it comes down to. And it comes down to
the beings of light that accompany these people have had the near death experience are
very loving beings, like they just radiate love and warmth and kindness and compassion.
But they help you through it, and I help you see exactly how
you lived your life and if you're coming back. What alterations or changes are
different experiences you may need depending on the life that you live, or hey,
you may be done, you may not need to come back here.
You may not, and apparently that's a good thing. Yeah, yeah,
Well, although I love this life, I think it's it's been incredible,
you know, to have traveled the world and met all the people I've met
and so forth. Like I mean, it is an incredible life anyway you
look at it. But some people have very you know, terrible things happen
to them. And then you've got things like war going on and murder and
all these things, very dark energies which you want to steer well clear of,
and you know, meditate, open yourself to the light and just be
kind, to be kind. We're getting close to the end here, but
there is one of the talking points that was sent over that picked my interest
and I wanted to ask you about it, which is the Martian Odyssey.
Yeah, okay, Well, my last my fourth fiction novel, is a
thriller about and it was inspired by I saw a newspaper ad one day,
or not an ad, I'm sorry, a newspaper story saying that over a
thousand people have applied with this Mars One group that was hoping to become the
first to blast off for Mars and set up the first interplanetary human colony there.
I thought, now, that's amazing, like that over a thousand people
would want to go there, to this freezing cold planet that seems to be
just a desert, and but like it really picked my interest, and so
I created this fictional two fictional groups that were both like Mars one and SpaceX
and you know, the Russian and Nassa versions of all these groups at once
that are actually talking in serious terms about going to Martin setting up the first
interplanetary colony. So I set this one group in Mexico. Well it's a
private organization, and they were building their rocket ship and they were you know,
learning and figuring out how they were going to survive on Mars and all
that, and it's very real, like there are people at work on these
issues right this very minute. And then I set up another group which was
Russian, but I made it clear it was not tied to the government.
They were a private group also, but they had sent a team of assassins
against the other. So it's a thriller in that sense. All the action
takes place on Earth. It's called Crimson Firestorm Mars. And so one of
the things that intrigued me is the idea that and this was in that initial
story I read it's a one way journey at this stage, like if you
choose to go to Mars, you're never coming back. Not at this stage,
we do not have the technology for it. So in a sense,
it's like dying. It's like dying to the Earth, Like once you leave,
you're gone forever. And that really set my mind thinking, like what
would it be like to voluntarily give up all the things that we love,
you know, just the beautiful scenery, going to a rock concert or a
ball game of some kind, or the theater or whatever, to a nice
restaurants, you know, happen all these things that we take for granted.
Really and you're saying, Okay, I'm going to go live on this freezing,
cold, forbidding planet in the name of science, and you know,
to set up the first interplanetary colony. And you know, even in the
rocket ship that would be sent aloft, you're going to have to be very
good at meditation and stilling your body in your mind in order to endure what
we'll take upwards towards a year to get there, and once you're there,
you're You're there. That's it. So yeah, I wrote this whole novel
on it. It's a big novel. It's a seven hundred page novel.
Would make a really incredible movie. But I also wrote a chapter in The
Journey Across Forever to kind of bring that kind of idea about the finality of
it into this book, which is a very spiritual book. And so it's
like Martian Theater I call it. Where You're There is actually the Buddhists have
you know, a death meditation that they do, So I kind of tied
all these things together, and that's what that's all about, and the idea
that going to Mars is not like just you know, traveling across the world
like it is a major, major undertaking. And I don't think we'll get
there anytime as soon as some people might think, like Elon Musk, who
claimed he was going to have you know, a thousand people there by twenty
twenty five or something like that. We're going to have to work on the
technology a whole lot more to get someone to Mars and have him set up
that calling there yeah, we needs to you know, perfect his rockets to
keep from blowing up first. You know, I'll be honest with you,
Well, I would never do what these people are doing because I think it's
backwards thinking. Because I think there's other ways of achieving these goals that are
kind of beyond our current scientific knowledge. I mean, heck, you could
even through astral travel and meditation, go visit Mars and hang out there and
then come back, you know, because the remote viewers that Colonel Alexander was
associated with, Ingo Swan and those kinds of people who who've done that,
they've actually like Ingo Swan was able to remote view Jupiter before scientists on Earth
even knew it had rings around it. And he said there rings around it,
and they said, no, there's no rings. Read that they sat
there, one of their ships up there, and sure enough, there are
rings around it. So there's a lot to be said for the remote viewing,
for sure. But I also admit to having an intense fascination with Mars.
Don't know, don't ask me why, I don't know. I sure
wouldn't want to be stranded there. But there's something about vet planet that just
strikes a chord with me something I'll be exploring in the future. I guess,
yeah, yeah, it's it's nabbed me as well, and that's why
I was inspired to write that book. So yeah, there's it's it's intriguing
the whole idea of going to the moon or to Mars, you know,
but no thanks, I'm not going to go. I love the earth too
much and I love all the comforts and the beauty and the good things of
this world. So that's where this is where I'll stay. Well, your
book is called The Journey Across Forever, a magical, provocative odyssey across the
ages, around the world and into the Greek beyond. Just came out this
summer. Where can people find it? Well, the publisher is John Hunt
Publishing or it's now changed ownership and its collective inc. But most people are
getting it on Amazon or Barnes and Noble websites. And I would sure appreciate
anyone getting it on Amazon to put up a review which appreciate it very much,
and I hope that people find it very inspirational. The core message in
the book is that I think we need to see the miraculous in the mundane
and the sacred in the profane, and if we do that, we become
more holistic and real magic is about transforming our perceptions. So it's very important
to you know, there's a lot of information in this book, but it
really helps to sit and ruminate and to meditate on the messages in there.
But it is a path to enlightenment, and I think to free in the
spirit and to know that life goes on beyond this earth is very much a
part of setting the soul free. So all of that is in the book,
and again it's called the Journey Across Forever. And I thank you Mark
for having me on your program. Well, l Wayne, thank you for
coming on. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and I think we have a lot
in common and the way we think about things, So thank you again for
coming on. You're welcome, and I want to thank everybody else for tuning
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