Welcome to you, softcore History. Welcome back to soft core History. I'm
your host for the week, Damn Rochester, and I'm joined as always by
Rob Fox NJ. Goldman. What is up boys? Hello? Happy holiday
weekend? I guess troublingly sober is I guess it's not so happy you do.
You don't really say happy Memorial, but you see it everywhere. I
mean you say Happy Easter and there was a man was crucified. Well,
I guess you don't say happy Good Friday though everyone. It's in the name
though. Yeah, oh that'd be great. That's how every church should just
at the end of the Good Friday service just blast that what blast? What?
Living on a prayer? Oh yeah. It is easily one of my
favorite weekends, though the mooral dy Bekending's good Man's Day. It's like the
launch of summer. It is. It's the like sort of unofficial official beginning
of summer, which conversely makes Labor Day one of my least favorite weekend.
Labored Nah, no, because you're a big fall guy. I have a
big fall guy. Actually, yeah, but but I will going Yeah,
my outfit game gets Oh my god, dude, because once you can cover
up your trash body. It's good for you. And even the parts of
my body that like should objectively look good, like I've got pretty good calves,
they're still so pale that they're gross, you know what I mean.
Like even after Memorial Day is the only time you're like in taste, like
because white, you can finally start being yourself. Oh yeah, yeah,
Like I'm wearing white pants, but you're always white. I'm always wearing Labor
Day. You're just tack. It's pathetic, that's gross. Yeah, but
Memorial Day pretty much launches me being able to take off my shirt whenever it's
okay, it's not a You live in Texas, so yeah, true,
you live in Austin more importantly, right, there's no I don't know that
you need a shirt to dine at most places that have a waiter. I
always hate it when I see a homeless guy that's just shredded. It's like,
man, maybe I could benefit from this living off the land baby.
Yeah. When I first moved here, because like I was used to Saint
Louis hobos, you know what I mean, like just filthy bums, like
street rats. Yeah that had to like survive a winner, you know,
what I mean, And I get down here and I would just like get
a job at Abercron, but you asshole, Yeah, like just go stand
shirtless in front of a store, like just literally your jeans are already ripped.
You're perfect. It's crazy. I paddle boarded yesterday and saw almost meant
take a ship in the river. So that was, ah, there it
is. That's what you get first off that river. The one you paddle
board is shit. It's a bad homeless shit and dead bodies. Yeah,
so what do you what do you want? And then I stayed out late
because Randy convinced me to wait for the bats. And we were there till
like ten o'clock at night and waiting for bats. Bats never came. Were
on a bridge for hours. We're under the bridge paddleboard and then we paddled
at night and we saw but we did get to see Starlink so elon muss
like, uh, satellite thing that's in a straight line that's been there for
like three or four years. We actually saw it in real life, real
time. I can't even tell you how like if someone was like, do
you want to go see the bats, like the sentence wouldn't even finish before
I was talking. We were there all day. But he's just like,
let's stay for the bats. That's the worst attraction in Austin. It's fun
once, you know. Have you ever seen them? I gave up.
Have you ever seen them there? No? I haven't. There's a lot
of them when they well, there used to be at least I think they
all died from the freeze. Yeah, they might have died in the colds.
They don't like that, they really don't. We have a lot of
bats in the woods across the street from our house. They're kind of cool.
Yeah. Yeah, they eat mosquitos. I like bats. Bats are
fine. They actually also helped with the production of rum. What. Yeah,
they're one of the biggest pollinators of sugarcane. Okay, yeah, it's
weird. So that's why the Bacardi symbol is a bat. Yes. I
didn't look into it. I was like, what is like some vampires ship?
Yeah, well vampires do love ros. Actually, how COVID started it
was distilled rum. Yeah, there's the bat got in or I guess it's
undistilled. Yeah, yeah, like those are the raws from you ever taste
it? Yeah, it's just like bat fur. And teeth. Yeah.
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This week we're talking about James Jesse Strang. Okay, I'm disappointed in that
man's discord name. I was expecting something horrifying, you know what I mean,
just like TFM commoners. Yeah, well there it's they're worse in some
ways, you know, just like Ushwit sixty nine. Why would that be
our people too? Just it's just the worst thing you can think of plus
sex. No, I think the Discord you pretty much have like your name.
Yeah, I mean it's my name on on for Discord, but that's
same because yeah, I don't plan on getting into anything malicious on Discord.
Right, Rob just said his Discord name. It's Auschwitz sixty nine. Yeah,
that's Rob's legal name too though, so it checks out. It's on
the driver's license. I get a lot of high fives at the Texas DMV
say bad luck, but the teas Our boy was born March twenty one,
eighteen thirteen, in New York. Now that was only seventy years before the
Battle of Waterloo, so two years before. I'm sorry for the type of
Again, this is Inside Baseball. A lot of people have not listened to
that episode because we only have five hundred patrons, but five hundred and ten.
By the way, our goal is just to We've just been We're joking
Friday night, were Saturday, We're out. We're like God, I just
want to stay above five hundred when the purge comes. The purge comes every
first of the month. Cards get the climb wrapped in right, get that
shit in order. People. Either way, our boy Strang is a youth
kept a rather profound personal diary written partly in secret code that was not deciphered
until over one hundred years after it was authored. By the way, this
man, just to kind of tease what we're getting into, he is and
he is a disciple of the Mormon Church. Oh fuck yeah, Joseph Smith
or bring him young? So he's a rival, bring him young? He
is Joey Smith's kind of boy. Okay, so this is sort of a
he kind of reverses Paul situation. After Jesus fucks up, he branches off
and starts his own kind of division. Okay, yeah, is this going
to be the founding of um, what do they call the Joe's Witnesses?
You'll find out. Okay, it's not that though, Okay, Jehovah's I
had a couple roll up on Saturday before we went out to hang out with
you guys. Yeah, I haven't seen one in person in a long time.
It's been a minute. It's been a minute. And I love the
way they do it. They show you three flyers or like, do any
of these topics interest you? And like one of them was like can the
dead really rise again? Can you speak to your dead relatives through God.
And I was like, no, none of them do. No, rob
this man's branch of Mormonism still exists. But it's, uh, you're gonna
find out, not really relevant anymore. Oh but the story itself is we're
along for the journey, not the destination. Okay. Yeah, So his
ar contained Strang's musings on a variety of topics, including a sense that he
was called to be a significant world leader like Caesar or Napoleon. That's never
a good sign. Why because those people do fucked up shit. Like if
you're like, I think I'm gonna be like Napoleon or Caesar, I think
I'm gonna be like that. Actually you know who thought that? Caesar,
Please stop touching your mica. He was like, I and I want to
be as big as Alexander the Great. And that's why he got stabbed a
hundred times. But he was pretty big. Yeah, I mean we still
talk about him. We did a lot. He's pretty important. Yeah.
All he had to do was destroy a republic make an empire. You know
what my favorite Napoleon quote is, by the way, that I just learned
recently, is Han this island sucks. He thought that about a lot of
islands. Yea, three different islands, the one he was born on and
the two he was exiled too. He was like, fuck this island.
It kind of is like a that's the biggest punishments, Like we're sending you
back you island to another island. Yeah, og, Yeah, this is
like such a stone cold, like cold motherfucker. Quote when he when he
took command of France, not the army, but like when he became in
charge of France, he I guess at one point he said, and I
just he wasn't doing this, but I imagine him smoking a cigarette because he's
French and this is so badass. He was just like this thought that would
be another of Washington No empire. Yeah, He's like, I'm not giving
up my throne. That's good. It's hard. You don't get it back
when you give it a stone cold But speaking of thrones, this man thought
his quest was to be of someone of importance. He did not wish to
follow his father's calling as a farmer, so he took up the study of
law. Oh Strang was admitted to the bar in New York at age twenty
three, and later at other places where he resided, he'd became county postmaster
and edited a local newspaper, The Randolph Harold Strang, who was once described
as or. He described himself as a cool philosopher. D cool philosopher.
That just means you're a libertarian. Oh no, I'm not like the regular
Republicans. I'm a cool Republican. You can have a gun. I don't
care. You can smoke. Hey, there's there's someone, Come and lock
the door. I'm not so good with money, though terrible with it.
He became a Baptist minister, left in February eighteen forty four to join the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. He quickly found favor with our
guy Joey Smith, okay, though they had only known each other for a
short time. He was baptized personally by Joseph Smith on February twenty fifth,
eighteen forty four. What a flex Yeah. On March third of that year,
he was ordained an elder by Joseph's brother Hiram, and sent to Smith's
request, or by Smith's request, to Wisconsin to establish a Mormon steak at
Wory. Shortly after Strength's departure, Joseph Smith was of course murdered by an
anti Mormon mob in Illinois. The amount of times Joseph we could do a
whole episode on the amount of times Joseph Smith was tarred and feathered and run
out of places like he They ended up in Utah because that's like no one
could continually push them out. That's the furthest they could be pushed out to,
Like they were basically exiled everywhere they went, and Utah was the furthest
away they could get from everyone. People do not like Mormon's back then,
no more so than it was. I mean, it was like straight up
just legal to kill a Mormon. Yeah, in Missouri I think it was
where it was like, yeah, just killed the Mormon. Yeah, just
just kill them. Yeah, I don't know that one's off the books.
What a way to get away with murder? Well, technically, yeah,
you're on a My client could smile. The client could smell the morment on
him from a mile away with his nice pleasant trees. Yeah, this big
creepy smile, his blonde hair. There's many, many children, all the
wives. So after Smith's assassination, there was a bit of a power struggle
between who was going to take the throne to this church. Strand claimed that
he had the right to lead the Latter day Saints even though he's only been
there for like a cup of coffee. And he uh. Not only was
Smith's kind of written error, because he he forged documents that Joseph Smith wrote
saying that Wait, so this guy forged a documents saying he was supposed to
succeed him. He's forged a doc he forged a succession plan. He forged
a document to succeed the man who forged documents to start religion. Oh,
and we're gonna get into some of his own plates. He finds plates by
the way that you gotta think no one else in Smith's inner circle was a
lawyer either. So he's like, okay, I got it. No,
he's a pretty well spoken dude. Yeah, I got I'll take care of
the legal stuff. Don't worry. Hey, honey, you hear new plates
dropped? It's hot, new plate drop. Honestly, most of my Mormon
knowledge comes from that episode of South Park. It's not wrong, well it
should Yeah, it's not wrong at all. It's like, you can get
an accurate depiction of both Mormonism and scientology from South Parking Book of Mormon.
Yeah. Yeah. The only difference is that they like Mormonism. Yeah yeah.
That was a whole running bit in South Park, Like they're so nice.
It's like everyone goes to Heaven to be judged. It's like, oh,
I'm Jewish, well I'm Christian. It's like no, sorry, it
was the Mormons were right, Yeah, everyone else goes to hell because God's
that weird monkey thing. Yeah yeah. So his most significant rivals were Bring
Them Young and Sydney Rigdon, a member of Smith's first presidency. A power
struggle ensued, during which Young quickly disposed of Rigden, and Young would reject
offers to debate strang for the first three years before leading his followers to Utah,
while Rigden went to Pennsylvania. What an American religion? Yeah, debate
me bro Noah. Also, I refused to debate, right yeah. It's
like I think that that's pretty smart. I'm Brigham's part. It's like,
what is debate? I'm not debating lawyer? Yeah yeah fuck that. We
honestly like people like I can't believe they're not debating. It's like, what
debate has changed anyone's mind ever? I've never once watched a debatement like you
know what, I actually I'm gonna go with you. Yeah, they're right.
Strange insisted the laws of the church prevented excommunication without a trial. He
equally asserted that the twelve Apostles had no right to sit in judgment on him,
and as a lawful president, he was the lawful president of the church.
Strange rested his claim to leadership by an by the ordination of an angel
at the very moment Joseph Smith died, that's smart, that's a good move.
No angel, actually get this. Angel came down, told me,
yeah, it's me. That was a good family guy. Been on that
like a year, like years and years ago. He was like my next
witnesses, the ghost who never lies. I mean, that's religion in a
nutshell. So not only was he ordained by an angel, he also had
a letter of appointment from Joseph Smith himself. See, I think he could
have just stuck with the angel and not forged the document. He would have
had a stronger claim the later. The letter was dated June eighteenth, eighteen
forty four, just nine days before Smith's murder. That would make you a
suspect. You would think, yeah right, They're like okay, great,
Joseph, thanks and you just leave and you're like, he's in Carthage,
He's in Carthage, Illinois. Do you do with him what you will?
Missirians, Smith and Strange were some two hundred and twenty five miles apart at
the time. Strang offered witnesses to affirm that he made his announcement before news
of Smith's demise. Strang's letter is held today by Yale University. Every aspect
of the letter has been disputed by opposing factions, including a postmark and signature.
Pretty much. They came to the conclusion that all of this is strengths
writing. It's yeah, it's all bullshit. It's honestly, like, do
you do you think that David Miskovich studied what happened in Mormonism after Smith died
to like understand how to just take control of scientology about it, dude,
It's perfect. It's it's a like a carbon copy, yeah, of what
happened. And miss Kevich is like the way he came in to scientology,
he was just like a breezer from the get ye. It's just like I'm
going to fuck him up. Like he just his biggest thing is like clothes
lining people. That's what he's like most known for. Behind closed doors.
He would just walk up to someone and like fucking clothes line him and just
tell him to get in line. Like he's he's a monster, truly,
like he's an awful human being. That's so fucking funny. He's like this
tall too, Yeah, he's he's in He's shorter than Tom Cruise, Like,
which is How's that possible? That's why? How could he close line
anyone? You're hitting him like in the stomach. Why do you think Cruise
likes hanging out with him? Yeah? I guess. Yeah. Do you
think he ever beat the shit out of Tom Cruise? No? I think
TC is untouchable in scientology, like he is their most prized jewel. He
is. Yeah, if if what's his name? If l Ron Hubbard is
like Christ, Tom Cruise is like Paul. Oh yeah, dude, I
mean like Peter. Yeah, like it was supposed to be Trivolta, but
like you know, you know now, sometimes you just gotta have some bathhouse
time. Yeah. The reason this letter works is because he also has some
power players in his corner, like Joseph Smith's mother and family members, a
couple of brothers. I like to just it's probably isn't true, but I
like to imagine that Joseph's mother is entirely senile at this point, and he's
like missus Smith, missus Smith, the angels here, and he just like
paints a guy gold and like, yeah, if I tell unto you,
mother Smith, it's a thousand percent accurately. Yeah. I don't even have
to do the research for that. She was probably off the fucking wagon,
like yeah, which she had. She was in strings corner, Yeah,
okay, Yeah, she's the age probably blind, deaf and dummy. Yeah
yeah, make shift wheelchair. Yeah, just getting exploited every day. Oh
boy, that's the life, right this wheeler back into a closet with some
porridge. When she's done, all right, just gotta keep her alive.
Sleep. The angel will be back soon. Yeah. About twelve Latter Day
Saints ultimately accepted Strength's claims. A second stake of Zion was established on Beaver
Island in Like, Michigan, where Shreng moved his church headquarters in eighteen forty
eight. Smart to get on an island another island, boy, defend got
to be able to defend yourself. Yes, if you're like honestly in a
religion, I guess maybe it's it's different than I suppose. But like,
wouldn't you just want to be like, hey man, I'm just trying to
get to heaven and like worship, Like I don't care. Who's the next
fucking American pope. Yeah, like, come on, figure it out.
Just God damn it, get it together. Yeah. Isn't this about getting
to heaven right at the end of the day, this is about helping people.
No, it's it's about you being great. Always was he was never
like, he's very kind of calculated and smart with what he does. Actually
kind of a decently like a decent human being too. He's like in favor
of women, black people, and Native Americans having rights and stuff. Oh
string, which was big back then. Yeah, he was. He was
pro Native back then. That was very uh and anothetical to bring him you
say, no, wonder bring him young one the fight. Yeah. The
mark of Kane, I believe, is the reason black people were black,
according to Brigham Young for yeah, well, there's a line in Book of
Mormon that it's like, can God change his mind? Not black people in
nineteen seventy two or something like that. Yeah, when you need good pr
God always changes his mind. Yeah, it's great and I think it's literally
like it's so and I believe in nineteen seventy two God changed his mind about
black people. Yeah, black people. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Um,
there was a high turnover rate. There was a many defections, mainly because
of Strang's flip flop on bolygamy. Well you can't. You can't mess with
the man's access to living in women and infinite women. Excuse me what you're
you're taking away? What now? Because ginally he opposed the practice at first,
but once you know, he became head Haunchell. He reversed course in
eighteen forty nine and then one of its strongest advocates. Weird, Oh so,
but what didn't they have the same belief then? Wasn't bring him young
pro polygamy as well? Um Smith was? I know, but wasn't young?
I mean youngs for sure. It's weird when you have first DIBs.
It's the first thing back on the menu, right, that's funny. So
I wonder if he lost a bunch of dudes because he was opposed to it,
and then like once he needed for politics, he's like, okay,
okay, you got as many wise as you want. What Yeah, grabbed
whatever nine year olds you need. Put him in your stable. He was
losing people because he was taking lives. Really yeah, he taking other people's
wives probably, Yeah, that's nobly it's how you lose him. He ended
up marrying technically five spouses and father and fourteen children. That's actually that feels
low, not the spouses, the kids. He's only in power for six
years, Okay, Like, come on, man, you're cranking out almost
three a wife less. That's so low. Back then only three a wife.
But all right, so back to your original point. Many of his
disciples kind of defected because they viewed him as the monogamous counterweight to bring him
Young's polygamous version. Okay, but then he, of course when he gets
in power, reverse course. Yeah, it's as soon as you get first
DIBs, it's back on the menu. Right, So you think it was
a personal thing not a political thing, Like he's like, you know what
I mean, it's probably both. It's a little ale will be you know,
like he once he got in power, it's like, well, actually,
I'd love to have a few. The missus is looking a little frumpy.
Meanwhile, Annabelle over there is nineteen and real tight. You know,
Mary's pregnant. I gotta run this. I gotta run this colony somehow,
right any more followers? Damn it? Better make him myself. M Strange
defended his new tenant, claiming that far from enslaven or demeaning women, polygamy
would liberate and elevate them by allowing them to choose the as possible male based
upon any factors which he deemed important to them. I've been saying that for
years, So that's how you kind of if you ever want to broach the
topic about maybe an open relationship, be like, no, let's to elevate
you. Yeah, this is liberating someone a friend of mine messaged me the
other day about some like really attractive woman on Housewives just something and there's like
a powerful, realitary like smart, blah blah blah. And she was like
you men, like she's dating a woman now and she's married, like the
first one sheds like you men screwed up, Like you miss you missed out
on so many like amazing women. And I was like, look, it's
not my fault. The government's fascist and won't let me have another wife.
Like, I'll marry her tomorrow if you make it legal. I don't ever
you want more than one marriage now absolutely about to say like what now marriage
is great? Two would be hard, right, Two would be difficult if
you married your bro. Oh that's free bro jobs. Well yeah, the
bros have the run of the house and then there's like a bang basements.
If you're getting you're getting real red dragon over here. Um, real buffalo
Bill, buffalo bob Bill. But you blah. Strang and his first wife,
Mary Pierre, separated May eighteen fifty one, though they remain legally married
until Streng's death. Yeah, it's not about right. Yeah, look,
you're only legally married as as far you're only legally married if your spouse can
see you. She was still there though, Yeah she was hanging out,
okay, but if she like left for a different town. She's a single
lady, especially back then. Yeah, you you disappear off the face of
the earth if you're not my field of vision? Were you guys? Are
you guys old enough for I don't know if this still was the thing once
you guys were like in college or even in high school. But like people
used to be like, he's not cheating if you're needed. Even zip code,
bro, I do remember that line. I believe it was area code
where oh area code? Yeah yeah yeah, because like zip zip codes across
town that's literally down the street in some places, like that's well the zip
code in downtown it's different. Like no, it was areas that cheating,
even the different area code. Bro. Yeah, no, I was around
when that line of thinking was thrown. Okay, it's just like what but
I buy it back that two towns of something ridiculous. Uh the other day
where it said like seventy percent of people cheat on their bachelor or bachelorie parties,
really that seems so high. That is insanely high. Not a prayer
not to mention, because most dudes they go on a bachelor party are not
getting laid. Yeah, even if they tried, even if they tried to
cheat on their significant other, they would definitely not the main person. I've
hooked up on one or two bachelor parties. But like, but yeah,
the the soon to beat room. No. First off, like if I
tried to fuck someone on my bachelor party and got denied, how would you
would it be worse if you're, say Courtney try to cheat on you at
a bachelorte party and then got denied by somebody. That would would that break
you? No? Actually, yeah, that'd be hor horrific. But like
half of like if I tried to do that, I was like, she
doesn't even have it like that. Yeah, it's like Nadi, her husband's
the only one that wants that, damn. Oh. But like for me,
if if I tried to do that on my bachelor party, like we
were at Missoo or my bachelor bachelor party, we were at Missoo, um,
half of the guys there would have like tackled me and been like you're
not going home with her? Yeah, be Like we would have been like,
dude, what the fuck are you doing? You're very drunk, we're
taking you home. Also, like and then like the and then it's so
shitty to do to your friends because then they have to live with that secret.
Yeah, they're like the weddings like a month and a half later.
I'm very I'm very thankful that I've never been on a bachelor party where dudes
are like, all right, I'm gonna cheat on my future life. Now.
I was like, that's definitely I have friends that have stories. I
think we keep good company. It's yeah, it's pretty scumbag for you.
Uh yeah, despite what the appearance may portray. But yeah, no,
Like I've definitely had friends that have talked about bachelor parties They've went on where
it's like, yeah, dude, this guy just like being a stripper.
Why why I have been on one of those bachelor parties? And that's literally
all I can say. Yeah, I know, yeah it was I was
too young and unattached. I think I can guess what it is. Maybe
I was too young and unattached to care at all. But like, like
looking back now, I'm just like, holy shit, what a shitty thing
to do. You're a bad person. Like I could tell you off air,
I could confirm off air what it is, but which one is described
the patreon you know who you are. But man, yeah, but at
the time, I was like so young that I was just like, whatever,
will release the documents? Yeah, So Strength's fourth wife. It is
a funny little story Sarah Adelia. Right after hurt or his death, she
remarried and eventually divorced her second husband because he was not interested in polygamy.
Really, he was a little bit. So she was into she wanted she
was into CUK play or no, wait, she she didn't want to bear
the entire bird. So strange marries this girl as his fifth orr, his
fifth, fourth wife, fourth or fifth wife, one of the two,
and h once he dies, she remarries, and then her new husband's like,
I don't really want to I just love you lame, I know what.
Honestly, I hate when people do this. But my first thought actually
is like she was a lesbian. She wanted the ladies around maybe, or
she's just like, I'm not trying to do like one hundred percent of the
time with you. Oh true, I don't want to run this house by
myself, like I could use the help. Yeah yeah. Also because first
wife what was it on Big Love? What was it called, there's like
sister their sister wives, but the first wife she's in charge though, Yeah,
she's she's the head and the other wives or her little minions. Yeah
yeah, man, uh god? What was her name the chick on Big
Love? American psycho? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Chloe something yeah
yeah, great actress, she was great. I was she's actually wasted as
being like the weird prude super Mormon. Yeah, I know, she's she
anytime she shows up in something like this is probably gonna be pretty good.
Yeah, she's always pretty solid, but she was. It was funny that
she was at My favorite episode of that was when they found out like he
was taking viagra, that the other wives found out that he didn't need viagra
with the youngest hots wife. Wait what Yeah? So. Sarah Right described
Strang as a very mild spoken, kind man to his family, although his
word was law. She wrote that while each wife had their own bedroom,
they shared meals and devotional time together with Strang, and life in their household
was as pleasant as possible. Oh good family man, it's a good guy.
Everyone had their own beds. Oh but you know, a little playtime
together. What does that mean? Yeah? What's that? I mean he
could fuck him at the same time. Oh, oh lord, this guy's
crushing it. Yeah. No, I think he's got everything figured out.
Yeah, I think he did it, super dude pretty well. See,
if you're the head of the Mormon church, it all makes sense. You're
the fuck pope. Yeah. They just completely won eightied on that, didn't
they? So like Joseph Smith. James Strang reportedly had numerous visions on Earth
and translated alleged ancient metal plates using what he said was a biblical urum,
and he claimed to have restored long lost spiritual knowledge to humankind. Oh any,
like what, yeah, what Greek fire? Did he bring back Greek
fire? He did not bring back Greek fire before, Get the fuck out
of here. Now what did he what did he bring what long lost spiritual
knowledge? Well, like Smith, he presented witnesses to authenticate his records and
claimed to have that he claimed to receive on Like Smith, however, Strang
offered his plates for public examination. Oh he yeah, he laid it all
on the table. He's like, worst case scenario. You guys call me
a liar. I'm gonna go home. Bang five bitches. So who's really
losing here? Were these gold plates? Uh no? Uh, well,
I'm already doubting. Yeah, that's Joe's were gold. So his witness was
a non Mormon, Christopher Shoals, the inventor of the typewriter and editor of
local newspaper. We already got an editor to authenticate the plates. He perused
Strang's vary plates and they're made a brass mm well second edition, right,
you know it's a paperback. Yeah. But his witness was like, he's
an honest and earnest man. Yeah, he usually doesn't lie. So I
guess if he said an angel came and gave him some brass plates, I
gotta believe him. Right, He's not some horse thief. Right. So
Strange published his translation of these plates um in the newspaper and they eventually end
up going this and though the plates plates do, the actual plates disappeared around
nineteen hundred, oh so, way after he's dead. Yeah. Sorry,
there was a spider in my tink top. I was wondering what was going
on. But it was a spider. Yeah, I felt something like drop
back there, and I was like, uh, I gotta get off the
mike. Welcome to the studio, Welcome to the hill country. Yeah,
it's like, god, damn, it's our second spider incident. Yes,
it was a little guy. That's good. Yeah, it wasn't the thing
that was behind Rob. If that happened, I would have screamed. I
would have been like an octave for cameras and had to take a break.
Yeah. Anyway, now to kind of dig into what these plates were.
Some of Strength's teachings deferred substantially from those of the Latter Day Saints leaders Joseph
Smith, for instance, Strang rejected the traditional Christian doctrines of the trinity and
the virgin birth of Jesus Christ. He's like, I've done a lot of
fucking and I just don't know how he can put a baby in there.
Do from like across the room or yeah. He insisted that there was only
one eternal God in all the universe, Father in that progression of godhood was
impossible for Jesus, Like, oh, so he didn't he believe. He
didn't believe that Jesus was part of mine. He was like, Jesus was
just a man, just a prophet um some of God, but not God.
Different person. He didn't believe in the trinity. God has always been
God, said Strange. And he was only one person, not three people.
According to the doctrine of the Christian Trinity, Jesus Christ was presented as
the natural born son of Mary and Joseph, who was chosen from before all
time to be the same if you're a mankind, but he had to be
born as an ordinary mortal from two human parents as demon worshiping Catholics. How
do you feel about that? That's bullshit? It actually is logically bullshit because
this guy's just like, actually, God doesn't have that power. Oh,
he has a lot of takes on God. Yeah. No, no,
like God is not perfect. Oh's mind. I mean, actually, that's
an interesting argument to make because you know, there is a probably an argument
that could be Maybe it's like, well, yeah, God's fucking powerful,
right, super powerful, but in the realm of God being all powerful and
all knowing or two different things, right, Yeah, like if you can
create anything like drop drop anyone Dad at the drop of a hat, you
know what I mean, whatever, that doesn't necessarily mean you're all knowing.
Well, then you get into like fucking what is it? Predetermination? Yeah,
all knowingness and like omnipotence. Right, so it's like, well you
made me this way, asshole, Like why'd you do that? Ye?
So Strange denied that God could do all things, and he insisted that some
things were as impossible for him as they are for us. Well, it's
the great Homer Simpson question about God. What is God so powerful that he
can make a burrito so hot? He himself cannot eat it. That plagued
Homer. So this is kind of a weird progressive view he has. He
does not see a conflict between science and religion, and is it actually a
proponent of evolution honestly, I mean the whole divine watchmaker like intelligent design theory,
it's probably the best attempt at bridging that gap where it's like, yeah,
like they left the bacon right, the earth is an oven and God
put the ingredients there and Earth cooked it right, you know, and it's
like, okay, that again. He said this in eighteen forty years.
Yeah, intelligence design's been around for a while, but I think I doubt
that it's it's a novel for someone to believe that, but I doubt he
was the first to wreck to think about it. It's definitely progressive. He
wasn't the first, I'm saying he championed. Yeah, yeah, no,
that's super progressive for that church. Yeah. Strength spoke lonely about future generation
and people who would make a religion or make religion a science to be studied
as an exact mathematics. The mouth of the year will be open, he
prophesized, and the whole earth enlightened man, he'd be pretty he'd be pretty
disappointed in science today. Like can you imagine, like from the early eighteen
hundreds to the late eighteen hundred you have all this, Like you imagine what
science is gonna do one day, all these incredible things like you had when
was Frankenstein written like the eighteen twenties, and it was like like creating life
with lightning, electricity and shit like that. And then now you just like
Ai being like, hey, jaw like a car made out at dicks be
boop. Yeah, We're just like, hey, Ai, yeah, write
me an episode of Seinfeld. Yeah, but Jerry is an octopus. Here's
another kind of controversial take he had. He didn't believe in damnation. He
said a free agency was real. Humanity would be given the opportunity to fall
learn from their own mistakes. I also don't get eternal damnation for most things,
like obviously like murder, rape, things like that. Right, sure,
but like, uh, you weren't as good as you could have been,
yea, Like come on, yeah, like what there's got to be
like some sort of like makeup test, right, Yeah, Like it's all
right, you get like a couple of years here, right, Look a
couple more years to work it out, even a lot of murders. If
it's like a crime of passion forever, yeah, forever, too long,
forever. Yeah, it's it's just the scale, right, anyone tells that,
you know, I think I should be allowed into heaven just in case
I kill someone. He's gonna be really sorry. We're Catholics, that's true.
Yeah, I mean we could. I don't have to be sorry until
like three seconds before I leave. Yeah, but if you get taken out
by like a car right on the way to my last rites, yeah,
sorry. Bub Something he did introduce to Mormon celebration rituals was animal sacrifice.
What. Okay, this guy's awesome. I like this guy. He is
like he's science and religion are the same. Give me that goat and it
just has a threesome in goat blood. It's like, we'll figure out the
science behind this later. Science will catch up to this and why it works
about what. Yeah, the math will one day explain why God wants to
eat this goat's soul. Yeah, he did still believe alcohol, tobacco,
coffee, and tea were all bad and I hate him did that? This
guy sucks? But yeah, plugamy is no longer practiced by strings followers that
it still exists today, but belief in the correctness is still firmed by them.
What is it called. There's a couple of thousand out there still,
we'll get to it. Um. I think it's just like the strang I
no, I mean, what do you say, correctness? Yeah, okay,
the correct of polygamy is fine, but like they don't do it.
Oh so they think it's fine, they just don't do it. They're like,
they're gonna make fun of us. We don't want to be a burden.
Yeah. Well, also, I guess you would have to do it
in violation of the law of wherever you lived. Yeah, it's just a
huge hurdle. Yeah, like it's a giant thing. You gotta worry.
I mean, polygamy very much exists in the United States today. It's not
something it's just underground, you know, it's it's you don't see it,
but it's there. It's good cross fit, that's right. If you see
two people doing overhead snatch squats and kissing, they got more than one wife,
that's just facts. Yeah, like that doesn't even a joke. A
CrossFit. I mean, I believe if there was one place I believed with
practicing polygamy, it would be a CrossFit box that they call the gems the
box. No, they have boxes that they jump on. No, but
they call the gym. It's called up specifically a cross fit, the same
way you call it building. You go to a church if it's for a
religion, Yeah right, they have a thing like that. Yeah. What
do you think the cross and CrossFit stands for Christ's Cross? It's not.
There is a religious gym in town. Yeah, CrossFit gym is called the
box m. Weird? What is it camp gladiator? Yeah? Yeah,
there's very much I remember straight up, like cult or religion. I was
looking at applying to a job there a while back, and I was like,
Sir, reading the fine print, I was like, oh, he
probably wouldn't fit in there. Um. Like I said earlier, though,
Strang allowed women to hold priesthood offices, which was unique for Letter Day Saint
factions. During his lifetime, he welcomed African Americans into his church, and
he ordained at least two of them into his eldership. Strang also mandated the
conservation of land and resources, requiring the building the parks and retention of large
forest in his kingdom. That's good. That's a good thing. I like
that anytime anyone's like, yeah, we gotta make sure land is not just
totally fucked right, thank you. That's that's the least you can do.
Yeah, it's like, what is this place with all the natural springs?
Yellowstone? Yeah, let's not. Let McDonald's build an amusement park here.
Why not target? Why don't we build a Target here? Wouldn't it be
nice if there was a Target? Yeah? I always hate it when people
in small towns get excited for giant box stores, Like you don't understand.
It's just like na man, Like, well if you didn't grow up in
a small town. Like when we got a Walmart, people were so excited,
and it's like, fucking why great cool because you can go everywhere for
one thing, like the options or dogshit before that, in terms of stuff
you can buy. There's something to be said for when you live in the
middle of nowhere and you have something within fifteen to thirty minutes that you can
buy everything. Yeah, at the same time, that's probably why you get
hyped. Yeah, and then they were like, wait, why are all
these businesses closing like two years later, and it's like, oh the thing
you want. I've driven through this country. There's a lot of nothing.
Yeah, well now, but there is something. It's like, well,
maybe those businesses that fucking closed down should have tried to I honestly think a
lot of the appeal of Walmart. Price certainly was part of it, but
a lot of the appeal, especially likes Dollar General early on is yeah and
well that and you can get fucking like they were offering stuff that wasn't available
before. Like sure, you know what I mean, Like someone is eating
there for it sounds dumb, but like you you hear about like Oreos or
seven up on TV or what a pizza even? Okay, our town wasn't
that small? Yeah yeah, yeah, like we had stores. Yeah I'm
talking about I get that to a degree where it's like, okay, shit,
like they're not even like shops in your your little town. No,
there's like I've been places in Georgia and stuff where the main grocery store is
a Dollar General, and yeah, Walmart kicks the shit out of that.
I get that, Well, dollar It's Dollar General probably killed a real small
town business too, right, a small town grocer. Yeah, they were
just even worse. Yeah, yeah, but Walmart in those kind of situations,
I do. But like insize towns. Don't be sad if a bigger
spider kills a smaller spider. Right, yeah? Was there another sput around
here? Na, No, you're fine. Strang claimed that he was required
to occupy the office of king as it is described in the Book of Law
of the Lord. So Strange was accordingly crowned in eighteen fifty by the Chancellor
and Prime Minister George Shay Adams. About three hundred people witnessed his coronation,
for which he wore a bright red flannel robe, which was topped by a
white collar with black speckles. His crown was made of tin rather than gold,
and it was described in one account as a shiny metal ring with a
cluster of gold stars or glass stars in the front um. When you say
flannel, was about to get right into that as well. Yeah, do
you mean patterned as well? It's like lumberjack red flannel with Oh that is
the most American king robe. I've never heard of that. I mean he's
in Michigan. Yeah, American Jesus right there. Yeah, there's a constant
joke in the hunting industry where it's like you don't fucking need camo. It's
like it's like, do you know how many animals were killed by our grandparents?
And flannel shirts? Bright flannel shirts. You need bright orange that no
one shoots you. Yeah, well that that's necessary. But also it's like
the dear fucking no right has got again. I know you're there. They
smell you, they like they know someone's there. It's like either that or
oh you think like they don't notice the giant pile of deer piss that's walking
around to them too, like when people put the piss all over them.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Now, not only was he in
this flannel robe, he also sported a breastplate and carried a wooden sceptor.
Is he supposed to be like a working man's pope? It sounds like a
poor king. Yeah, it's crowne This is like Bruce Springsteen does. The
Vatican in the US is Rain lasted six years after the date of scornation.
July eighth is still mandated as one of the two important dates in the UH
staying at church here, which whatever, I guess. Yeah, if there's
a couple of thousand or the strange. Strang never claimed to be the king
of Beaver Island itself, nor did he claim to be the king of any
geographical entity. Instead, he claimed to be the king of the Church,
which he considered to be the true kingdom of God. So that way he
wouldn't get into any treasonous shit. Pretty smart. Yeah, I mean that's
how you get Beaver Island bombed, because he said. Strang never supplanted United
States sovereignty over Beaver Island. Yeah, because if literally if he did that,
they would just all right, send the National Guard. Yeah, or
you get just you get like a Waco situation, you know. Yeah,
oh no, we don't let that happen. You are king, you were
king of shit. Yeah, you get a little too feisty. He there's
only one true power, it's taxpayer money, and who controls the most of
it the government. But since his religion was the main body on the isle,
he often asserted himself as a point of authority on Beaver Island, even
over non Strange's Yeah, I mean, if the primary voting block in an
area is one like can you imagine the nightmare of like moving to a town
and it's like eighty five percent scientologists. Yeah. Yeah, dude. That
happens in the US too, like a wild wild country. The yoga cult
that happened in Oregon. Yeah, they moved into this town where there was
nobody and all these people in Oregon and they're like, what the fuck.
They're like voting their own crazy laws in and they were just like, yeah,
you have to deal with it now. Yeah, it's like that can
happen. That happens called democracy. Baby, it's happening in Wyoming too,
Like there's a huge white supremacist sect that just took over a town. Yeah,
I believe it is in Wyoming, and they're like, well shit,
now they're just making crazy laws here. We're just nice, farming people,
right. I don't want these people here, damn it. Yeah. Beaver
Island's pretty big. I just looked it up on the map, like it's
there's a bunch of people there, which Strang is aware of and realizes,
Hey, we have to not necessarily be an iron fist because they don't like
us. So some Strange's were beaten up while they were going to the post
office in order to collect their mail. Some of their homes were robbed,
even seized by Gentiles while Strange eight Men's were away. On July fourth,
eighteen fifty, a drunken mob of fishermen vowed to kill the Mormons or drive
them out, only to be awed into submission by Strang, who fired a
cannon at them nice which he secretly acquired. What do you mean even he
probably secretly acquired it in so much that they wouldn't know, you know,
like he didn't want the drunken fishermen to know or whatever. But like that
wasn't illegal. That's probablys the funniest thing when it's like Second Amendment does so
you can own a cannon. It's like, did a lot of private people
owned cannons? Yeah, a lot, hundreds of thousands of Americans have owned
cannons throughout history. You ever been knew a high school football game when they
score a touchdown, lots of cannons, lots of cannons. Uh fucking seeing.
Augustine niece had a cannon for every time they scored. You'd always forget
about it, though, and it'd go off, and he's like, god,
damn it. Scary. I believe when we were talking, maybe it
was on the Pagreon the other day about the Micah Wiener stories of from inside
TFM or whatever he was. I think he was one of the people that
fired off the cannon and Kappa Alpha orders front yard at the University of Missouri,
which was like a famous thing when I got to school there. They
just jammed at full of fireworks. I think every does they all have a
cannon. Yes, yeah, because it's because Robert Lee's a spiritual phone,
right, yes, yeah, but yeah, and I think you probably hate
it went across the street ironically, bring owner. Yeah, he did no
demerits at West Point little loser anyway. Uh yeah, I have tons of
friends that are in k but that shit's fucking hilarious. He and I think
it Actually it exploded and flew across the street and into the Mormon Center,
the Mormon Student Center. So he's just returning the favor. Yeah pretty much.
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to kill all the Mormons, they eventually just went to court and accused Strang
of treason, counterfeit, and trespassing on government land, and theft, along
with other crimes. He's brought to trial in Detroit, Michigan, after President
Millard Fillmore ordered US District Attorney George Bates to investigate the rumors about Strang in
his colony Shrank. Success successful trial defense brought him considerable favor, and he
used this leverage when he ran and won a seat for Michigan State legislation as
a Democrat in eighteen fifty three. Moving on it up, baby, So
they try to tear him down. They moved my man up. That's right,
he's zigged. They zagged. He's a king in Congress. Now he's
like, oh, I get to actually practice my law. I get to
defend mine. Yeah. Really, he finally gets to do the thing he
was trained for. And he's not a dummy, Like, clearly he passed
the bar, right, yeah, you gotta be able to know how to
do it. So, facing a determined effort to deny him his seat due
to hostility of his enemies, he was permitted to address the legislat legislator in
his defense, after which the Michigan House of Representatives voted twice to allow King
Strang to join them. In the eighteen fifty three legislation session, Strang introduced
ten five of which pass. So he's a good clip, right, that's
a good batting average for most people, Like, never introduce a bill.
He was right, Yeah, yeah, he's bat in five hundred, Like
he's fantastic. This look we've known for a long time that this is a
busy beaver, right, this man just doesn't stop. Oh he's a doer.
Why did he passed more bills than Bernie Sanders? Yes, in one
year Bernie Sanders like named a post office. That's it. Yeah, yeah,
good jo bernard Um. Yeah. It's one of those things though,
where you hear about people like this, they're like, oh man, these
people are idiots, were dumb. It's like you gotta understand, like just
because there's someone in power that you think is stupid doesn't mean they're stupid.
They're in power, right, I figured out how to get there. It's
like the Trump thing, right, that fucking idiot. It's like, listen,
it works. Yeah, so is he done? It works? Yeah,
Like I mean you could with a lot of these guys, him or
Trump or anyone, you could, I guess say like, oh, well
they found a little They're not necessarily smart, but they were clever enough to
find a lane, you know what I mean. The lane is the hardest
part, right right. That's but they're like a backdoor, I guess would
be the better way to put it. Sure, either way, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I mean but either way though, like they're there.
You have to in some ways it doesn't matter. Yeah, you're right,
like it died like it's like, well, yeah, I guess they they
they seem dumb in a lot of ways, but they're there. Yep,
they made it. You're not there, Yeah, you be president. When
he was in office, he actively fought for Native American rights and fought against
the illegal practice of trading liquor to Native Americans up, which was a practice
of selling them diluted liquor mixed with various contaminants at a high price. Oh
my god, what a monster. No, he defended that. Yeah,
they were poisoning their liquor. Wait, he was defending the Native Americans and
saying, don't sell them poison. Oh okay, I thought you were saying,
like, no, let's water it down, let's fuck him up.
People were doing that. Yeah, okay, that's because it was illegal for
Indians to buy liquor at all, Like they were not allowed at any age.
That's wild. So he kind of seems like a decent guy. Yeah,
overall, he definitely he's all right in the spectrum off kings. Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So as with Joseph Smith before him,
James Strang had problems with excommunicated or disaffected members, who often became anti
Mormon or even conspired against him. Oh, he had some Leah reminies that
nosy bitch Thomas Bedford, who had been flogged for engaging in adultery with another
member's wife, blame strang for being flogged in salt revenge. Fair enough,
I guess. I mean you're the one that joined the church with the flogging
rules. Yeah, don't join the flogging church, right, Like, I
what do you want to happen? Yeah, like you knew the whole time.
Like imagine, like someone sends you to You're like, I'm gonna live
in that country where you know, if I steal a banana, they'll cut
my hand off. And then someone cut your hand off after you steal a
fucking banana, and you're like, whoa dad, piece of shit. It's
like yeah, people that are like I'm gonna do hash and turkey. It's
like, well, you know the law right? Yeah? You seen the
movie you see Midnight Express, Yeah, that's what happens seeing that. Yeah.
Yeah, the circle they walk in, that's so funny. One of
my favorite parts of that movie is where he's just on the stand like on
his like eighth appeal, and he's pulling like a Morgan Freeman in Shawshank where
he's just like fuck you, you know, and but he's just like,
I have come to hate your people. Yeah, and it's like, wow,
you commit a crime in their country and they're spokeling a ton of hash.
Yeah. Another member, doctor McCulloch, had been excommunicated for drunkenness and
other alleged misdeeds, and these two conspired against Strang along with Mormon enemies who
are living in the town. Two of them out Sandra Wentworth and doctor Jay
Atkin Pistols or Atkin period. I thought, for some reasons that'd be a
great name. Doctor Pistols doctor gun. No pistols were acquired in the four
conspirators began seven days or several days of target practice while they finalize their details
of their murderous plans shooting Montage. Also, by the way, the flogging
guy at least has a better complaint than the drunk guy. Yeah, Oh,
what you're mad that Mormons got mad at you for drinking? You know,
that's their whole thing. Like that is like a huge tenet. Yes,
somebody fucked the other guy's wife. No, no, he no,
he fucked another guy's wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I guess
at that point, at that point, it's like the flogging pissed you off,
which I guess. You know, there's no fun way to be flogged,
right like that, You're just gonna suck ass pool needle. Yeah,
that's only fun way, right, Like it's gonna you're gonna be mad,
and that still hurts now. Strang was aware that these guys were gunning for
him, so but he openly challenged them in the newspaper. How many He
was like, coming get me? Yeah, you know where right, well,
I'll be He pulled a Tony Stark. You know where I live.
I'm gonna be there banging out multiple wives at the same time. Feel free
to bust in. It wasn't called beaver Island until I moved here. Man.
He refused to employ a bodyguard or carry a firearm or any type of
weapon. He's just like, yeah, whatever, if if I die die,
yeah, if I die, you die if and that day didn't happen.
One day, June sixteenth, eighteen fifty six, Strang was shot in
the back on the dock of the harbor of Saint James, the chief city
of Beaver Island by Wentworth in Bedford. So the guy who said exactly where
he'd be and that he'd be unarmed was killed where he said he'd be without
guns. Oh you want to murder me? Alright, alright, bitch,
flagpole three o'clock. Yeah, I'm not bringing anything to defend myself. An
idiot. Now. They did this in front of an entire US naval vessel
which was docked in the harbor. Nobody aboard the ship made any effort to
either warn or aid the victim. Oh, so after he was shot,
no one was like. People were just like, man, I mean if
I was a fucking navy guy, if I was a seaman. Yeah,
And someone was walking up to David Muskovich with his rifle and about to shoot
him and be like huh weird. Yeah, got him off this deck.
Strang was hit three times. One bullet grazed his head, another bullet lodged
in his cheek, and a third bullet lodged in his sphind and from the
waist down. One of the assassins then savagely pistol whip the victim before running
aboard the nearby vessel, the naval vessel. I went to hide on the
naval vessel. So it's the highest form of government execution. We got right,
Like, we murdered him. Quick, get on that staffed police boat.
Yeah, that sounds like a brutal way to die though, Like you
get paralyzed from waist down. It's all right, let's pistol whip him out.
It's like, can't you just finish me off? Yes, fucking shoot
me again, you bitch. He was taken back home, where he lived
for another three weeks before dying oh July ninth, eighteen fifty six, at
the age of forty three, after refusing to do while on his deathbed.
While he's just kind of laying there dying, he refused to deliver Bedford or
Wentworth as the victim or as the people that shot him, so he refused
to accuse them. Yep, didn't snitch, snach respect. That's snitching.
They just murdered you. That's snitching, dude, that's the No snitching is
like oh I heard that, Like, you know, gee, Aramos moving
a fucking kilo of cocaine next week to the FBI or something. So this
is like the police come there, like, sir, who paralyzed you man?
I know snooche Nah, fuck out of hit cup. You already got
the stitches, you might as well do the snitching, right. I think
he wanted to just kind of like recover and probably get his own revenge.
M fair, he died anyway, But they were eventually captured and given kind
of a mock trial. They eventually just paid a dollar twenty five and fees
and fines and we're let go cheapest murder every yep. While strang lingered on
his deathbed, his enemies in Michigan were determined to extinguish the Beaver Island Kingdom.
On July fifth, eighteen fifty six, a bunch of drunk another drunken
mob of gentiles descended upon the colony, and uh yeah, they just kind
of fun sit up as we are wanted to do. Yeah, this is
what I tell people all the time when they're like, good, believe the
ryot or whatever. I'm like, dude, it's just this. Do you
believe this mob? Dude? This? I'm like, who this was the
worst stickerswever. I'm like, no, dude, it happens all the time.
Bit backloaded. Yeah, but like my god, mob justice. It
was just and it's funny that it gets like conflated with like racial stuff,
and obviously a lot of it was racial, but like they would mob up
for anything. Nothing like a good one. Everyone's bored. Yeah, so
like just groupthink fun fun. You get caught up in the moment, Oh
my god, thing, you know, you're burning down a building. I
right a thing the other day where a mob there was like a this dude's
grave marker from the eighteen hundreds and it was like, I forgot his name,
but it was you know, like hire him, Ulysses whatever. Oh,
I know what you're talking about. Wrongfully hanged for stealing a horse,
and essentially like this mob came after him and was like you stole that fucking
horse. Seems like I bought it and they're like, no, you stole
it because it's the stolen horse. We know it's stolen, and he was
like, no, I bought this like three days ago, Like you stole
it, you bitch. And then they later found out that he bought it
from the guys who stole it and didn't realize it was stolen, and they
fucking hanged him. Yeah, on the headstone. It's just are bad or
something. Essentially, it's an are bad hedgtow sweet yeah cool, respect at
least, I guess. Yeah. Strang refused to appoint a successor, tone
his apostles to take care of their families best they could. Left without a
profit to guide them, most of Strang's followers departed the church in the years
after his murder. Most of them joined the reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints
under by U. They went to they went to Brigham Yeah boo. However,
a few days later or a few a few of the Latter day Saints
continued to carry on Streng's mission without his approval. So there's a couple that
are just kind of lingering out there still on Beaver Island, not on Beaver
Islands, just kind of spread throughout. I think a couple are in like
Africa. Now that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, uple of thousand
or something. Damn, I was hoping to see like some weirdo church on
Beaver Island. Dude, keep it. I don't know, man, Like
you imagine like you you live in Africa? Do you live in Africa?
And you're like why do we live here? And you know, it's like
how did our family end up here and they're like, well, this guy
in Michigan. Like, the things that lead people to the places they end
up are insane. It is diasporas and stuff like that. Yeah, asp
us whatever. It's it's nuts to think that there's probably some like nine year
old kid. He's like, you know, it's just like us pretty much.
He's like living somewhere in Africa. He's like, what why am I
here? It's like how do we I mean, it's like they're probably too
bread out at this point, but it's kind of like slave rita Ville,
right, It's kind of where you're like for a while, people were like,
daddy, why do we live in the jungle Again, Well, we
wanted slaves and they wouldn't let us have them, but we don't have them
now. Oh. King of Brazil was like, hey, boy, come
on down here own whoever you want? Damned eight who get back to ye
ain't no place for an honest slaven man like us. So so, while
Strang had a little bit of a successful six year run after his death,
his long term influence on the Latter Day Saint movement was minimal. So,
uh, you know, this is just kind of the fun little side quest.
Yeah, it's one of the other Mormons. I honestly, the offshoots
that die out in religions are fucking fascinating obviously, Like all the Dead Sea
scrolls and stuff. Those are not from like Catholics or not Cannon right there,
there are from weirdo desert offshoots of Christianity. Yeah. Yeah. It's
like, well, shit, we're by ourselves. It's not like we live
right next to the head Hauncho, so like we're gonna make up our own
ship. Yeah, we gotta figure some stuff out for ourselves. Yeah.
No, I remember the Dead Squeze Dead Sea Scrolls that they were found in
the twentieth century, right in forty seven, I think, Yeah, so
they kind of like really got big in the nineties. Yeah, the nineties,
and like people are like, oh, this is gonna like oh my
god, and then they kind of figured it out. It's like hmm yeah
whatever, like like Okay, it's interesting, it's academically interesting. That's not
like it's not humanity, right, yeah, you know, and that's a
lot of it. It's just like they are interesting offshoots but doesn't offer us
any real knowledge, no, because everyone's making it up as they go anyway.
Yeah, yeah, would you guys learn today, Um, I learned
that. Uh we're just looking at Google Maps, like Beaver Island might be
fun in the summer. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah I've done. I've
gone to the Upper penn An Island off the Upper Peninsula before in Michigan and
like mac and acor it was near mac Andah. Yeah, it was called
uh Marquette Island. It was a little my friend has like her family.
It's like a family lake house on that and uh it was dope, dude,
that like all that whole area. But and it's between it's south of
the Up but you have to go up to the up and around to get
it over the mac and Opera, didn't Sheila, Um, Michigan's fun in
the summer. Michigan is the shit. Yeah, in the in the summer.
Who's Hitler? Bring him young? Yeah? Bring him young? For
sure? Is Hitler? Um, he sucks. But what I learned is
don't tell people where you're gonna be if they want to kill you, and
don't hang out there unarmed. Yeah, Like do you kind of think a
little bit like what did he start to buy his bullshit? You know,
because people start to become their bit like because he never thought Jesus was like
God. So and he even thought God was imperfect. But did he think
that he was untouchable in a way, maybe like God was gonna come save
him or I don't think so, because he had to deal with, you
know, the people that weren't in his church constantly coming after his people.
I don't know. That's a good question, I guess, but I think
he was just like, maybe he didn't see them as serious people. Fair,
He's like, what the other guys wife fucker and the drunk. Yeah,
okay, I'll be at the dock guys. Yeah cool, right that
bitch I flog? Yeah alrighty bet you once? Yeah he cried he's gonna
take me out. I remember him. Yeah. Anyway, so all I
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