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I'm your host, Jade Horror and
this is true crime Horror Story. And

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it's my favorite time of the year, October. That means Halloween is right

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around the corner. And I'm going
to take the opportunity to take our mid

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season break a little early this season
because my month is filled with getting ready

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for my family's annual haunted house over
thirteen hundred square feet, so it takes

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a lot of work to put everything
together, but it brings smiles to a

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lot of kids' faces. We'll be
back in November. Until then, enjoy

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this compilation of Halloween episodes. Happy
Halloween. True Crime Horror Story contains extreme

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violence and adult subject matter. Listener
discretion is advised. I'm your host,

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Jadie Horror and this is True Crime
Horror Story. Season one, Episode nine,

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The Halloween Murders. Who are you
writing, Julias? This is the

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time of year to write to the
Great Pumpkin on Halloween nights, the Great

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Pumpkin rises out of his pumpkin patch
and five for the air of the Sang

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of Ye for all the children.
You must be crazy? When are you

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going to stop believing in something that
isn't true? When you stop believing in

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that fellow with a red foot and
a white beard who goes ho ho ho.

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They are obviously separated by denominational differences. Part one, The man who

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Almost killed Halloween. It is Halloween, and children will be out to the

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trick or a treat, and we
hope that the treats will be many and

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the tricks ingenious. But sometimes people
give children bad things on Halloween. In

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Shreveport, Louisiana, an old legend
that actually happened this time. Halloween is

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on Sunday, and there's a spreading
fear that this year the real Halloween scare

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will be many more cases of contaminated
Halloween is my favorite time of the year.

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It always has been. As a
child, I didn't have many friends,

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so I found my escape amongst the
racks of VHS horror movies at my

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local mom and pop video store,
something that no longer exists in today's society.

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Halloween was horror night, and it
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when all the other kids were just
like me. I can easily slip amongst

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the mobs of massed children as they
made their route in search of tricks and

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treats. It was the one night
of the year where you could be whoever

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you wanted to be instead of the
pick you drafted in the DNA lottery.

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Whether it be rumors of Satanists searching
the autumn night for virgins and black cats

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to sacrifice, wiggs made of spiders, or headlight based gang initiations, there

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were plenty of urban legends surrounding all
Hallow's Eve, most famous a razor blade

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hidden inside of a candied apple,
the best depiction of this being the brief

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razorblade scene in nineteen eighty ones Halloween
too, though it wouldn't be an apple

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nor a blade. One man took
these urban legends all too seriously. As

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a result of the incident that occurred
here. The mayors of Pathadena and several

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other nearby towns have been suggesting that
there be alternatives to trick or treating on

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Halloween. The pain say they are
not willing to accept that they want Halloween

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stopped. All play say sickly not
worth it. Halloween of nineteen seventy four

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was a cold and misty night,
but that didn't stop the O'Brien children from

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having a great night of trigger treating, Donning raincoats as they went house to

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house trigger treat. It was getting
late, so the Obrians were about to

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depart from the group. After all, it was a Thursday and the kids

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had school the next day. But
before they headed home, father Ronald Clark

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O'Brien gave his daughter Elizabeth and son
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some pixie sticks. It was eight
year old Timothy who reached for the

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treat first. As he plucked the
staple from the plastic tube and dumped sweet

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and sour sugar candy from the foe
drinking straw down his throat, he began

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to gag. You, this is
gross, something's wrong with it. Timothy

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threw the pixie stick to the ground
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Another adult encouraged the others to do
the same and not in justice spoiled

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treat, which turned out to be
a trick. Moments later, Timothy was

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in pain, and lots of it. He wretched and heave half digested twizzlers,

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candy, corn, and cyanide onto
the wet pavement and began a convulsant

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spasm. Within an hour, Timothy
O'Brien was dead. He died a tragic

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and excruciating death at the hands of
a cyanide lace pixie stick. As the

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poison prevented his body cells from using
oxygen, killing them one by one,

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his heartened brain began to slowly die. Though the tortuous ordeal lasted only an

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hour, eight year old Timothy O'Brien
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from inside out. The amount of
cyanide contained in the candy was enough to

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kill the entire starting line of a
Texan high school football team, let alone

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a small boy. It was every
parent's worst nightmare come to fruition, an

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urban legend come to life in the
form of death, that is, unless

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that parent was Ronald Clark O'Brien,
who took out a thirty thousand dollars life

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insurance policy on his own children shortly
before he attempted to murder them. O'Brien,

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I haven't gotten the pixie sticks from
a stranger's door, as he claimed

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during the trial. You have them
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the entire time. Most of today's
testimony came from Jimmy Bates, a close

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friend of the O'Brien family. Bates
said that before Halloween, O'Brien asked if

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he could bring his children over to
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On Halloween night, both families ate
dinner together and then the fathers took the

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children trick or treating. Bates said
O'Brien went to one house where no one

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appeared to be home, and after
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next house, O'Brien came off the
pump porch carrying the pixie sticks. He

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gave the pixie sticks to the children
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he wanted to stop at his call
for a moment. Bates said when O'Brien

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came back into the Bates house,
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Later that night, Timothy O'Brien died
from eating a poisoned pixie stick.

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The death of Timothy O'Brien created Halloween
havoc in the Greater Houston area, with

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countless bags of Tassey treats flushed down
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Similar to Ronald Clark O'Brien, Some
parents vowed never to let their children

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trick or treat ever again, or
even stopped celebrating Halloween at all. This

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is Ronald Clark O'Brien. Mister Bryan
is thirty nine years old. It looks

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like you're going to be executed.
Would you agree with that. It's a

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possibility. I've been aware of that
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It doesn't make it right. It's
fair to say that nobody gets any joy

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out of executing anybody. But it
is also clear that most Americans want to

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get on with this. They are
upset that you're alive. I can see

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that point, sure, But here
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He's right, I don't think society
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of ruining Halloween for everybody. Well, that's a mayor of opinion. By

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the time Ronald Clark O'Brien was executed
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most people had forgotten the night that
Halloween almost died. The story would

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reverted back to an urban legend.
But those who are close enough to hear

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the boys cries and his dying gasps
still remember, and on October thirty first,

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their porch lights remain off. You
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Well, that's a matter of opinion. Part two, Son of Sam

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during nineteen seventy six. In nineteen
seventy seven, New York was gripped in

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terror the hands of a man by
the media as the forty four caliber Killer

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and later the Son of Sam Low
from the gut is in New York City,

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which I filled with dog manua,
vomit, stale wine, urine,

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and blood. Hello, fund the
sus in New York City. We'll just

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swallow up these delicacies when they are
washed away by the sweep of trucks.

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Hello, from the cracks in the
sidewalks of New York City, and from

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the ants that dwell in these cracks
and feeding the dried blood of the dead

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that has settled into the cracks.
JB. I'm just dropping you a line

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to let you know that I appreciate
your interest in those recent and horrendous forty

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four caliber killings. I also want
to tell you that I reach a column

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daily and I find it quite a
formative. Tell me, Jim, what

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will you have for July twenty ninth. You could forget about me if you

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like, because I don't care for
publicity. However, you must not forget

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Donna Lauria, and you cannot let
the people forget her either. She was

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a very very sweet girl. But
Sam's a thirsty lad, and he won't

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let me stop killing until he gets
his fill of blood. Mister Breslin,

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Sir, don't think that because you
haven't heard from me for a while that

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I went to sleep. No.
Rather, I am still here, like

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a spirit, roaming the night,
thirsty, hungry, seldom stopping to rest,

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anxious to please Sam. I love
of my work. Now the void

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has been filled. Perhaps we shall
meet face to face someday, or perhaps

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I will be blown away by cops
with smoking thirty eights whatever. If I

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shall be fortunate enough to meet you, I will tell you all about Sam,

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and if you like, I will
introduce you to him. His name

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is Sam the Terrible. Not knowing
what the future holds, I shall say

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farewell and I will see you at
the next job, or should I say

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you will see my handiwork at the
next job. Remember Miss Lauria, Thank

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you and their blood and from the
gutter Sam's creation forty four. Here are

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some names to help you along.
Forward them to the Inspector for use by

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NCIC the Duke of Death, the
Wicked King Wicker, the twenty two Disciples

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of Hell, John Wheatie's rapists,
and suffocata of girls. PS. Please

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inform all the detectives work in the
slang to remain PS JB. Please inform

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all the detectives work in the case
that I wish them the best to luck,

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keep them digging, drive on being
positive, get off your butts,

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knock on coffins, etc. Upon
my capture, I promised to buy all

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the guys work in the case a
new pair of shoes if I can get

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up the money. Son of Sam, David Burkerwitz, was convinced that his

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neighbor's dog was actually an ancient demon
who commanded him to kill. Burkerwitz was

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convicted of six murders as well as
seven attempted murders, and later a series

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of arsons, who sentenced to serve
six consecutive life sentences in addition to his

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claims of being commanded to kill by
his neighbor's black labrador Harvey. Years after

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a sentence, the Son of Sam
old authorities that he was acting in conjunction

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with an underground satanic colt. Burkewitz
claimed that this secret society, orchestrated additional

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murders and influenced his own crimes.
After a brutal, unsolved double murder on

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Halloween night of nineteen eighty one,
the police received a phone call from a

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jailhouse informant. This inmate claimed to
have been told about these murders before they

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happened. The man who prophesied the
killings could describe details that had not been

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released to the public. The informant's
mysterious psychic acquaintance none other than the son

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of Sam David Berkowitz. The champagne
and cocaine were flowing on the third floor

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apartment of photographer Ronald Sisman. At
just a year under forty, ron thought

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he was at his peak. He
was spending Halloween doing lines off of his

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nineteen year old girlfriend's hits and snapping
shots of reposing while the song Endless Love

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was droning on about hearts and eyes
in the background. Ronald Sisman hated Halloween.

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The only candy in his house was
sitting on a mound on the coffee

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table next to a rolled up dollar
bill, and he damnsure didn't like being

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interrupted when he was playing with his
hot little piece of ass In a cocaine

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fueled rage, Ronald stormed towards the
door. When he opened it, there

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stood a couple of would be trigger
treaters, complete with masks. But these

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weren't skeletons, ghouls, or goblins
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These were three adults in black hoods. They proceeded to beat the ever

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living shit out of both Ronald and
his girlfriend while tearing apart the house and

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as if in search of some phantom
item. After being beaten and tortured for

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a few hours, ultimately Ronald Sismond
and his nineteen year old girlfriend, Elizabeth

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Plattsman were both shot in the back
of their heads, point blank, execution

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style. No evidence was left to
the scene of the crime. Birkwoodz had

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told the informant that members of a
satanic colt were going to perform a ritualistic

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killing and torture and a sacrifice to
the dark Lord on Halloween night of nineteen

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eighty one. The forty four caliber
killer would prognosticate about a photographer who would

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be slain in response to his involvement
with a snuff film of one of Berkowitz's

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own murders that could potentially implicate the
cult in the Son of Sam killings.

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Though David Berkowitz's claims he might be
interesting, no evidence has been brought forth

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to formally implicate him or a secret
Satanic society. And the murders of Ronald

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Sisman and Elizabeth Plattsman. The only
item was missing from the scene were both

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Ronald and Elizabeth's driver's licenses and Ronald's
twenty five caliber pistol. As to the

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recording of this episode, no arrests
have been made regarding the double murder of

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Ronald Sisman and Elizabeth Plattsman that occurred
on Halloween Night of nineteen eighty one.

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Could it be that a cult continue
to stock New York even after David Berkowitz

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had been locked away. It's possible. More likely, though, would be

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something involved in Sisman's ties to the
drug trade. Home invasions do happen with

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or without the aid of a demonic
dog. Just listen to season one,

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episode two if you want to know
what I mean. Even so, throughout

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the eighties, the residents of New
York City still in high alert, still

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in the grips a terror at the
hands of a phantom gunslinger, A demonic

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dog and a villainous society of devil
worshiping maniacs. Invisible Choir a true crime

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podcast that explores the most egregious and
heinous murders through primary source audio and investigative

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storytelling. These are the tragic stories
of the missing and the dead, their

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voices reaching out from beyond the grave, seeking peace and yearning for justice.

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Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts or wherever
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com to learn more. Part three
Maybe Missing Maybe, Michigan is the best

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little town in Michigan. According to
their welcome sign. It's a small farming

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community of less than six hundred resident. In small towns like that, there

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wasn't really much to do, so
when something big came around, like Halloween,

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specifically Big Mike's annual Halloween Bash,
the locals had to make the most

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of it. Twenty two year old
Chelsea Bruck was beyond excited for Halloween.

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She had saved up her tips as
a waitress down at Olga's Kitchen in order

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to construct the perfect costume. It
took her a painstaking three weeks of sewing,

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but by party time, she was
a spitting image of the Batman comic

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villainists Poison Ivy donning a green leotard
flat with leaves and flowers, an auburn,

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red and purple wig, black leggings, and a giant wine bottle with

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a skull and crossbones used to represent
the poison. She gazed at herself in

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the mirror, Satisfied with the fruit
of her labors. She was guaranteed to

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win the annual costume contest. At
approximately ten PM, the familiar sound of

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her friend Laura Taylor's horn signified it
was finally time to go. With a

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smile, Chelsea grabbed her bag and
headed out. Though the giant wine bottle

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was a prop, it did contain
cheap wine, which the girls in Dulcian

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far too much on their trip out
to the rural area near Frenchtown township that

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held Big Mike's annual Halloween bash.
As they approached, they could see the

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stories were true. This was no
ordinary Halloween party. There was a stage

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of bands, fireball twirlers, and
a forty foot bonfire. There were also

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a lot more people than she expected, over six hundred. After parking and

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heading towards the gates, they noticed
people fighting in the parking line, which

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was covered in puke and trash.
It wasn't even midnight, and the party

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was already getting out of hand.
By the time they parked the car,

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Chelsea realized this wasn't at all what
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far. It didn't help that she
was already tipsy from the shitty poison ivy

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wine she had consumed on that pumpy
route to Big Mike's. Despite expectations not

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met, Chelsea and Laura were having
a good time and laughing until about twelve

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to thirty, when they became separated
amongst the crowd. There was nothing more

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frantic than a drunk girl at a
party trying to find their friend. The

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higher the level of inebriation, the
more urgent the matter is. I have

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seen many a tear flow in my
time from the spout of a hammered twenty

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something who assumes that their missing friend
ended up in a ditch somewhere, when

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most often than not, it's not
the case. Unfortunately, in this story,

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the anxiety Chelsea fell to the separation
from her friend and ride was justified,

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though it wouldn't be her friend who
ended up on the evening news.

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After about fifteen minutes of searching for
Laura, Chelsea round smacked ab into a

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wooden post knows first, her eyes
began to swell, and a mixture of

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blood and wine stained her prize poison
ivy costume, ensuring she would never win

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the competition. She sat defeated.
The night she had anticipated it had gone

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to shit and fast. All Chelsea
wanted to do was go home. Sometime

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after one am, Laura left the
party, leaving Chelsea's cell phone and bag

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with another friend, Becky Brinson.
Becky and Chelsea also never connected. Amongst

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the swarm of drunken partygoers and haybells, multiple witnesses reported a bloody and drunken

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Chelsea approaching them to use their cell
phones, though there wasn't any reception out

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in the middle of nowhere. The
party slowly died down as the sun rose,

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and everyone had either passed out or
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She never made it back from the
party. Her parents reported her missing

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in October twenty fourteen, and over
a million leaflets were distributed by her friends,

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family, and volunteers in the community, but Chelsea had vanished without a

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trace. As the days turned into
weeks, months, and finally years the

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Bruck family felt no sense of closure. No developments were made in the case

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until March twenty second to twenty fifteen, when Cheryl ruts Laugh found a woman's

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shoe on her property. Rats Laugh
phone three and a half acres partially wooded

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property located a little over two miles
from the party location. The shoe was

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in a ditch near a pile of
trash. Something about it stuck out as

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off to her, though, so
she took it home. Cheryl had kind

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of forgotten about the mysterious left shoe
until her husband reminded her about the girl

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who went missing last Halloween, Chelsea
Bruck. After Rutzloft took the shoe to

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the police, they sent a picture
of it to Chelsea's mother, who immediately

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identified it as being hers. About
a week later, Chelsea's leotard and wig

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were found in an abound in building
by the railroad tracks by a man looking

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for scrap metal, Eric Cassab.
Cassab initially thought what he was looking at

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was an artificial plant, but soon
discovered the grizzly truth. He didn't initially

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report his strange findings, though,
because he was worried about his fingerprints being

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discovered at the scene. The Bruck's
family's worst nightmares were confirmed on April twenty

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fourth, twenty fifteen, when partially
skeletal nude remains were found by a man

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developing a plot of land on Briar
Hill Road. Dental records confirmed the corpse

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belonged to Chelsea Bruck. The police
had a body, but they still didn't

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have a suspect or a motive.
That was until Eric Cassab finally came forward

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about the leotard and investigators were able
to test a small brown stain for DNA.

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The DNA was tested against their catalog
and they found a match. Experts

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placed the odds of their match at
one in a billion, and the DNA

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evidence belonged to Daniel Alfredo Clay,
an unemployed high school dropout with a history

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of violence. Clay was brought in
for questioning and subsequently arrested on July twenty

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second, twenty sixteen. While he
admitted to being at Big Mike's annual Halloween

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bash, he denied ever talking to
or even seeing Chelsea. As the interrogation

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continued, he relented and admitted he
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her. As the night went on, Clay claimed the two had consensual sex

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in the back seat of his car. After they were done, the two

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parted ways, but as Clay was
leaving the party, he saw Chelsea stumbling

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along the side of the road drunk, so, like any gentleman, Daniel

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said, he offered her a ride. According to Daniel Clay, the two

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had sex again, but this time
it was much rougher and took a dark

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turn in the throes of passion.
A drunken an aggressive Chelsea bit and slapped

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Clay and asked him to choke her. Daniel wrapped his hands around her throat

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and began to squeeze, how wall, continuing to pump in the most ancient

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of rhythms. Less than a minute
later, Daniel realized that Chelsea had lost

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consciousness and she had went limp.
He withdrew his penis and began to give

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her mouth to mouth and pound on
her chest. His efforts were futile,

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though, and when he knew she
was dead, he went into a panic.

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Daniel drove to a secluded wooded area
off of Briar Hill Road and dumped

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her body, covering it with several
heavy logs in an effort to conceal her

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remains, so I thought first something
that wasn't. That was the story of

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what happened, according to Daniel Clay, but not according to the medical examiner,

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who testified that Chelsea had died from
blunt forced trauma to the head and

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that erotic asphyxia could be completely ruled
out. In addition, the damage share

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HER's skull was so severe that investigators
knew that her injuries could not have been

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caused by a fist, but some
large and heavy object. There were multiple

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fractures to Chelsea's orbital bones, caving
in her face, and her jawbone and

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teeth had been obliterated. They tried
to explain these injuries away as its clumsiness

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and dropping her body multiple times when
he was trying to dispose of it,

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while Hamburg trunk Forends account apologist doctor
Megan Moore called his theory somewhat of a

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stretch. I think the thing is, Daniel, all right, you're telling

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me there's a possibility you had sex
with a girl in the back seat of

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that car. It was a back
seat, right, You had sex with

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a female that had dark hair and
the back of your car, all right,

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you're telling me you left alone.
There's a possibility, all right,

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a likelihood, And I say likelihood, which I'm ninety nine point nine percent

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sure that it was Chelsea that you
had sex with, Like I don't remember

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when it sect with that night.
I know that's actually someone I've always wondered

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if it could have been her or
not. And then you guys called me

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in for well, I didn't want
to say everyone sex with somebody and then

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find out it's her, and then
you know, she disappeared. I know

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I left alone. I know I
didn't do anything. I don't even know

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where the costume was found out.
I don't know where that spot is.

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I don't know the other spot,
like the area, I don't know where

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you time, but I don't go
on there. See. But the thing

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is, is you remember, I
mean it's coming back. It was skin,

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all right, from forest from tear. Your DNA cells were on where

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her crafts was torn and where her
top was torn from grabbing her or something.

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Okay, so that's where your DNA
was. That's all right. I

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know that you tore that. We're
passing it off or whenever, so,

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but it was torn. You had
to tear it I didn't tear, but

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I'm not getting I had have done
somebody, So there was and near the

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thing. All right, there had
to be somebody to listen to me,

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Daniel, We're past all that,
all right. I ever your DNA where

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her stuff was torn? Nobody others, nobody else, nobody, no one.

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This is where we're at. Okay, this is where it's time self.

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And happened when you left with her
listening when you left, either something

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happened where it was intentional, unintentional, accidental. Man, you so listen

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to me. Now is the time
for you to tell us what happened?

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Because are you that monster murder?
It wasn't you intentionally? You know I'm

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not intentionally hurt her. Okay,
then we need to know what happened.

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She did get freaky okay, and
we sat there and then she's like,

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all right, well let's go because
we had sex there and then we left.

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Okay. I had sex somewhere else
where where. Sometimes don't right drive

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right, It wasn't right. We
were just driving around, okay, having

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sex Because she did like leave and
I've seen her as off pone out She's

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like, I'm about the walk about
the walk, so I'm tied, like

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stopping and we'll go. She's like, okay, okay, that says it

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got rough, like and I know, choked and stuff. Yeah, and

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then she gotta I freaked out.
I was wasted. Okay, so hold

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on, let's stop now this.
You feel like a lot of just went

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off your chest, don't you.
Yeah, because it's something that it's something

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that eats you up all right much. I don't know. I'm telling you,

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I don't remember without an explanation.
You realize you're gonna look like an

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animal. And I know you know
that, but I don't look if my

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explanation said, like you remember details, I remember in details, remember game,

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I remember parts. I remember parts, so that part we need to

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remember. I don't know, like
I remember going with this and hitting on

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it and trying to wake her up
after I couldn't give her a sipt car.

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I couldn't get the ones here jopp
thing. I literally have no idea

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how I did that unless like I
was getting on a car hit at the

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doors. Not maybe and you know, would have had to have a smash.

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I mean, not on purpose.
I can see that I could understand

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if I did it not on purpose. I was upset and I was losing

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my mind. The straps of Chelsea
broucks green leotard were twisted and mangled.

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The crotch area was ripped wide open, indicating that none of the sexual activity

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had been consensual. Daniel Clay himself
would even corroborate this theory. In a

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sickening plea for mercy representing himself,
Daniel argued that there was no evidence that

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Chelsea was alive at the time of
their sexual intercourse. In an effort to

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dodge the rape charge, as criminal
sexual conduct requires a live victim at the

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time of penetration, police it eight
hundred and forty interviews and simply threw over

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a thousand tips before DNA evidence placed
Daniel Clay right into their laps. Had

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it not been for Eric Kasab finally
coming forward and leading the police to the

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leotard, he might have gotten away
with it. At Daniel clay sentencing,

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Chelsea's mom gave him a Bible and
said, though she forgives him, that

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doesn't mean that Chelsea will ever be
forgotten. There has never been a day

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or a moment that goes by that
we don't think about her, and we

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talk about her this picture sits right
in a prominent spot in the house,

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like she is there, and I
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You don't forget somebody, especially a
mother, has carried that child. He

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responded. I thank you for the
Bible, and I'll keep it as long

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as I'm able to. And I'm
sorry for everything. Daniel is also charged

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with the rape of another woman,
autom Miller, which occurred just one month

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prior to his arrest for the murder
of Chelsea Bruck. He met Autumn through

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mutual friends and they had some drinks
at her home. After the group left,

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Daniel returned all alone and uninvited,
and raped after dragging her into the

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shower by her hair, perhaps in
an effort to avoid leaving DNA evidence like

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that which would eventually lead to his
capture and an y'all' killing. Twenty two

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year old Chelsea Bruck has been charged
with another incident. Daniel Clay faced a

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judge this morning where he was arraigned
on two new charges. The Monroe County

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prosecutors charge Clay with first degree criminal
sexual conduct, which carries a life sentence.

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He's also facing a charge of first
degree home invasion, which carries a

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twenty year sentence. Police say he
went into an apartment in the city of

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Monroe without permission earlier this summer and
sexually assaulted a woman. The victim reported

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the incident immediately. Clay was arrested
on July twenty first in the Frenchtown Villa

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mobile home park after DNA evidence linked
him to the murder of Chelsea Bruck.

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He has been charged with second degree
murder in that case. They'll recall Chelsea

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vanished after a crowded Halloween party back
in twenty fourteen. Her body was found

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months later. When handing down the
sentence of life in prison, the judge

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said, it's very clear to me, mister Clay, you're a liar,

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rapist and a killer. Daniel Clay
tried to appeal a sentence in Mark nineteen,

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but it was upheld. It's very
likely that he will never be released

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and will spend the rest of his
days behind bars. Trigger tread times in

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Maybe, Wisconsin are now strictly six
to eight pm. In fact, they've

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instituted this time France throughout Monroe County
in response to the death of Chelsea Bruck.

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Halloween tradition. Will he some big
changes in Anoka this fall, and

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it is causing a king's size controversy. A nonprofit that runs the yearly Halloween

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parades and Anoka has decided to ban
handing out candy from the parade route.

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No Halloween costumes allowed. The Malta
Avenue Elementary School in Ballston, SPA.

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Has sent a letter to parents asking
them not to send their kids to school

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wearing costumes on Halloween. The principal
says students will instead be participating in a

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number of harvest type activities throughout the
month. Is just two weeks away,

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but kids at one Wallpole School won't
be marking the day with costumes and candy.

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The Voidant Elementary School is following a
Needham School's lead putting an end to

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Halloween cells. There will be no
costumes and no Halloween parade this year.

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At the Lily B. Hayes Elementary
School in Niantic, Connecticut, dressing up

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with classmates not allowed on school grounds. Listeners, before we say goodbye for

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this episode, I want to leave
you with this. Don't succumb to the

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fear of the candy man. Save
Halloween. Fuck Trunk Retreat. Set up

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a display, pass out some candy, make some kids smile. It's up

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to you to save Halloween because it's
dying. I hope you have a happy

404
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.680
Halloween. And before we wrap up
this week's episode, I want to play

405
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:40.000
a few clips. We reached out
to listeners on social media and people sending

406
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.240
several clips about what Halloween means to
them. We've picked several and we created

407
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.240
this little mashup that we'd like to
play for you right now. Halloween is

408
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.960
probably the most special time of year
for me growing up. It was probably

409
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.640
the only time I got to truly
feel like getting to be myself growing up

410
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.920
on monsters and horror, just loving
the holiday in general. October thirty first

411
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:07.119
met I got to be myself and
of course candy. Halloween is the one

412
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.279
day of the year where the veil
between the living and the dead is the

413
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:14.559
thinnest, so the dad get to
come back and visit their family. And

414
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:19.640
it's also the best season because you
get haunted houses, you get spooky stuff

415
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.000
in stores, and it's normal to
wear a costume, it's normal to put

416
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.400
out all that spooky stuff in front
of your yard. Of course, lots

417
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.839
of horror movies on TV, and
of course you get to go to people's

418
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:37.440
houses and get free candy. I
think Halloween is important because I don't really

419
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.440
like all the gushy stuff, but
and Halloween there's like no gushy stuff.

420
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.640
You just get free candy, and
you can make haunted houses and scare people,

421
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.359
and no other holidays really do that, and I like it. You

422
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.079
know one thing about Halloween that people
rarely talk about, it's how funny it

423
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.839
always is whenever you come across pictures
of yourself as a kid wearing your costume,

424
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:05.960
like whether it's well thought out,
well executed, or some thrown together

425
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.440
ghetto piece of shit, Like,
it's funny every time you see those again.

426
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.720
So to any parents listening to this, dress your kids up, take

427
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:21.480
them out, let them run around
and have fun, because here's the thing,

428
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:27.599
in twenty thirty, maybe even forty
years from now, when they just

429
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.839
happen to stumble on these pictures again, it's gonna put a huge smile on

430
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.559
their face. And I mean,
look, the parent doesn't want that Halloween

431
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:42.599
because the house has given me candy. But sometimes it's hard because some houses

432
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.279
don't give about candy. Well,
Halloween means to me is it's the one

433
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.400
holiday year that you can express yourself
creatively and not get judged for it.

434
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.240
It's a time to make memories with
your friends and family that will last you

435
00:33:54.400 --> 00:34:00.559
for the rest of your life.
Halloween for me is probably the best time

436
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:06.400
of the year because you really don't
have to dress to impress. I guess

437
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:19.199
you can express yourself with your costume
and unique I'm Happy Halloween. Hello Halloween

438
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.920
over feature and from the book of
clubat O Hive Podcasts. Just want to

439
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:30.119
test face with you and say,
happy Halloween, be safe, be creepy,

440
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:39.280
have fun, stay away from from
raise the Blade candy, and let's

441
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:45.559
keep Halloween on the thirty first.
We don't need a change what has been

442
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:51.079
going on for ages. We love
it the way it is. Kids still

443
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:58.079
go in trigger treat and you know
for Halloween. For me, I cele

444
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.679
break three hundred and sixty five days
a year, not just on one day

445
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:09.840
or just ten month. But it's
just the baltom when it comes into the

446
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.000
month of October, because you know, we get to buy all kinds of

447
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:21.599
cool shit and decolator helps them even
more on the inside. So that's what

448
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:25.480
I've up. Take it easy,
everybody, and you have a take one

449
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:31.679
cheers. I love Halloween because when
kids come up to the door to get

450
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:37.039
candy, they're so proud of what
they chose that year to be and it

451
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.280
just makes them happy. You know. They'd like to see the candy that

452
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.519
they get, and it just makes
them happy that they're out and about dressing

453
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.440
whatever they wanted to dress them.
Hey, this is Danny from the Central

454
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:53.000
Coast Horror Movie Club. What do
I like about Halloween? All my clothes

455
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:57.199
are in style, my tattoos are
in style. And can go to the

456
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.639
big box stores and they've got all
the good fucking count chocola. They've got

457
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:05.559
all the cool Halloween displays to look
at. You can drive up and down

458
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.519
the street. You can see all
the other neighbors putting up their displays and

459
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.639
stuff. They've got all the good
shit on TV. You need to get

460
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.920
together with all your bros and go
to Universal Studios the Halloween horror nights.

461
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:21.519
The shit scared out of you.
It's something we do all year round,

462
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.559
but right now you just go extra
a little crazy enjoying yourself watching the monsters

463
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.440
on TV, taking the kids out
trick or treating. It's really what life's

464
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:40.800
about. Tricks, treats and the
American Dream Dudes. Thanks for joining us

465
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.400
for another episode of True Crime Horror
Story. We'll be back in two weeks

466
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:51.960
with another episode. Suggested movies similar
to today's cases Halloween two in nineteen eighty

467
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.280
one, Slasher sequel directed by Rick
Rosenthal and featuring the best depiction of the

468
00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.360
Razor Blade, Cammy Apple, and
Night of the Demons at Night teen eight

469
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.039
eight, Howling Horror Classic directed by
Kevin S. Tenney, and the first

470
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.400
horror movie I remember seeing as a
kid, Lipstick Boobs. If you like

471
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.159
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Horror Story, please subscribe and give us

472
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473
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474
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475
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as well as exclusive bonus content available
only on Patreon. This episode features music

476
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.320
by Mechanical Ghost and Ason J.
Von Doodsky, as well as artwork by

477
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:36.559
Nuclear Heat Graphics. It also features
the debut of Lana McCall to our writing

478
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.840
staff. Lanna did the research on
Ronald Clark O'Brien and Daniel Clay and is

479
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:45.000
really helping a lot of the season
two as violent crime impacted you or someone

480
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.760
close to you. Send us your
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481
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com. Truecrime Horror Story. Sometimes
truth is more brutal than fiction. Planet

482
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Earth about to be recycling. We
are all evil in some form or another,

483
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.559
are we not? Evil? Has
always existed perfect world most people seek.

484
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:17.159
She'll never come from past, and
it's going to get worse. And

485
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.679
all the members, including the children, were made to lay in the remains

486
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.360
of whatever was in the casket.
Get a night casket with a decomposed body,

487
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.760
right, and the casket with clothes, and they would blow it into

488
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:36.320
the ground while they in the casket. My mom is shott and my dad

489
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.599
is shot. My brother's here it
does anybody know what happened? I did

490
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:57.599
your brothers shoot your parents? I
don't know if there's a role. This

491
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.480
is the True Crime Horror Story after
show. I'm Dom and I'm JD.

492
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:07.800
And today it's Halloween. Is Halloween. So we heard from some of our

493
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.800
friends, our family and listeners about
what Halloween means to them. Now it's

494
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:17.079
your turn down. That's Halloween mean
to you. Halloween is the day that

495
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:23.280
people confront their own fucking mortality with
open and honesty once a year. Yeah,

496
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.760
that's very true. It's you know, everyone like in casual, polite

497
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.360
society, quote unquote, death and
the fear of death and the acceptance of

498
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.599
death and all of those things is
such a taboo topic and if you bring

499
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:38.679
it up at any other time,
people look at you like you're a fucking

500
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:44.239
weirdo. Yeah, but Halloween's the
one day that it's okay to explore that

501
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.280
and kind of, you know,
think about it a little bit more.

502
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:51.960
And you know, people had also
said on the submissions that it was it's

503
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.320
the one day that you can sort
of take off the mask and be yourself

504
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:57.800
even you know when you're wearing the
mask, you know, or you can

505
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.920
put on the face paint and become
how you feel on the inside wearing the

506
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.599
face paint, and that is sort
of an extension of facing mortality or facing

507
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.280
anything that's taboo. You know,
society makes these things taboo because they're fucking

508
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:15.239
scared of it, and then only
one day a year that you can look

509
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:16.440
at it. On one hand,
that's cool that there's the one day a

510
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.039
year that you can kind of celebrate
it or accept it or understand it.

511
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.159
But on the other hand, like
it's wipes, people are afraid of so

512
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.679
much shit. Yeah, I said
it on the top of the episode that

513
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:29.000
to me, you know, Halloween
was the one day of the year where

514
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.760
I actually felt like I belonged or
fit in with the crowd. You know,

515
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.119
as a kid, you know,
it's always a little different, always

516
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.320
a little weird, you know,
as a fat kid who watched the horror

517
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:44.239
movies and quoted you some hell Raiser
lines in first grade, and people thought

518
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.840
it were a little off put by
that, right, absolutely, But I

519
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.360
think that also people like Halloween being
the one day a year that people are

520
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:58.360
allowed to explore the aspects of society
that are considered taboo. I think,

521
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.320
on the other hand, because we
live in such a fear culture, I

522
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.440
think that's what people have the response
to Halloween that they do, Like they

523
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.639
talked about in this episode, where
there are people are always trying to shut

524
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.800
down or nerf Halloween a little bit. Yeah, they're so scared that they

525
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:13.639
don't even want to take the one
day a year that it's fucking okay to

526
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:15.440
not be scared of that, And
they still want to be scared. I

527
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.679
didn't include this in the episode,
but I went down to major major Christians

528
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.719
against Halloween rabbit hole, and I
almost put it in a lot of that,

529
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.760
But you know, I don't want
to lean too heavily towards that.

530
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.159
I wanted to focus on the crimes
more than that little part at the end

531
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.800
where I put all the different celebrations, oh, fall festival all inclusive.

532
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.360
You know what. I'm not a
religious person, you know that. Yeah,

533
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:44.239
but I don't give a fucking celebrate
Christmas or Hanaka or whatever the Easter.

534
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:45.360
I don't care, you know,
be as pagan as you want.

535
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:52.719
My wife has a thousand animatronic Santas
and Snowman and a fucking hutch that has

536
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.719
Santa's in it year round. Yeah, And I encouraged Nick Foley. I

537
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.760
encourage that, and that's okay with
me. Yeah, same with the celebrations

538
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.599
at school. I'm not going to
be offended that they wanted to do a

539
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.280
certain thing. You know. It
doesn't have to be winter celebration or fall

540
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.360
festival or any of that. Ship
And Halloween isn't one particular religious thing that's

541
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.639
the thing, Like Christmas is pretty
fucking Christian. Yeah, that's true.

542
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.480
There is a different right there in
the name, but Halloween is like,

543
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.599
I mean, every every culture has
you know, there's diadelas muertos, so

544
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:28.239
there's you know, fucking harvest or
saw in or you know, whatever you

545
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.920
want to call it. But like, it's something that's spread out through every

546
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:36.440
kind of religion and culture where it's
not something specific. So it is the

547
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.480
most inclusive holiday that's out there.
And when I hear these like I don't

548
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:44.039
have a problem with Christianity, there's
some Christians that are some real fucking assholes

549
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.159
out there. And when they say
shit like, oh, it's the Devil's

550
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:51.280
birthday, show me in the Bible
where it says it's the Devil's birthday.

551
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.000
I guarant goddamn tee you it's not
in there. And you're just fucking saying

552
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.039
that ship because some priests who's probably
molesting your little brother is the one that

553
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:04.079
told you that if you're offended by
Halloween, it should be because you're some

554
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:09.039
kind of pagan that would have been
culturally appropriated by a spirit Halloween, not

555
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.840
that you're a Christian because that's where
it came from, or maybe you're like

556
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.639
really diabetic. You should be offended
by Hallow. Well, you know,

557
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.039
I think that The Peanuts said it
best at the top of the episode in

558
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.639
that you know what, it's clearly
just denominational differences. Yeah, all right,

559
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.760
Well we've talked a little bit about
Halloween and the spirit of it.

560
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:34.400
Now let's get to the cases.
Part one. The man who almost killed

561
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:40.960
Halloween. What a piece of shit. Fuck this mother fucker Ronald Clark O'Brien

562
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.159
maybe one of the worst human beings
we've ever covered on the show. And

563
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.519
that's saying a lot because we just
did a double header with Albert Fish and

564
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:53.960
David Parker. Ray did a deep
dive on fucking the night Stalker. But

565
00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:00.960
to kill your own child goes against
nature. Then you throw them killing Halloween

566
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.599
and as well, and you get
a perfect storm of douchebaggery. And it's

567
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.760
like, you know, people,
people like the night Stalker, people like

568
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.840
Dahmer or whoever, like they are
sick people. There is something wrong with

569
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.039
them. There's some kind of misfire
in their brain that's creating this impulse to

570
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:22.079
kill, and they kill because of
the sick impulse to kill. That almost

571
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.639
like, I'm not gonna say that's
respectable because it's not respectable, but it's

572
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:30.400
more respectable than killing your own child
for some fucking life insurance money. You

573
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.519
can relate to it more like,
oh, this person has a problem,

574
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.159
Like, oh, Richard Merez,
you know, had a psychosis, his

575
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:39.000
cousin Mike shoot his wife in front
of him as a kid and teach him

576
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:43.159
how to kill over a period of
years and took that with him into life.

577
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.079
You know, drugs as well.
You know, there's there's things there.

578
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.400
Jeffrey Dahmer had obvious mental issues.
A lot of these killers we talk

579
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.840
about if they were set on the
right trajectory with the right medicine, maybe

580
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.360
it could have been prevented, or
if they, like our fish, if

581
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.199
they lived in a time where mental
health was even a consideration. Yes,

582
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:04.400
but Ronald Clark O'Brien is not crazy. He's just pure evil. Yeah,

583
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.119
you know, and life insurance policies
exist because, like you know, you

584
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:12.599
get this life insurance policy because you
work, you're part you're maybe you're not

585
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.559
the bread warner for your family,
but you're contributing fifty percent to the existence

586
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:21.039
of your family and you die and
then that income stops. Yeah, the

587
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.199
life insurance policy is made to cover
that to help your family after you die.

588
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:28.639
Yeah, why even allow people to
get life insurance policies on their children,

589
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:30.960
because really the only reason people do
that, I think, is so

590
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.599
that they can kill them and collect
the money. Yeah, and you know

591
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.840
what, I could see the argument
for, oh, I can't afford a

592
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.119
funeral if something was to happen,
and getting a okay, five thousand dollars,

593
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.800
five thousand dollars life insurance policy.
But who thinks about the fact that,

594
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.440
oh, my kid is going to
die. You're you're fucked already,

595
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.280
you know. I canna understand if
you know, you had a kid that

596
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.440
had some some problems that you know
you needed and you're not well off,

597
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.239
I can't understand that. Or if
you're like a Macaulay Culkin and you're making

598
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.000
money, you know, and you're
actually worth something. Yeah, but Ronald

599
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:06.840
Clark O'Brien had exactly thirty thousand dollars
in debt and he took out fifteen thousand

600
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.039
dollars on each one of his kids, the sum of thirty thousand dollars the

601
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.599
bills he owed. Yeah, he
was looking at this as a business transaction

602
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.920
to put Cyanide in a pixie stick
and kill his own children and was willing

603
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:20.159
to kill his neighbor's kids in the
process just to get away with it.

604
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.320
Collateral damage, right, what a
fucking shit. And then oh the recording

605
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:28.559
that you played to him where you
know he's got the death sentence now and

606
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:30.800
he's like, well, I don't
think the vengeance is the answer. Fuck

607
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:36.239
you. Yeah, just to say
society shouldn't be out for I don't believe

608
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:42.880
in the death penalty because I would
rather have a million sick motherfuckers brought away

609
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.239
in prison for the rest of their
life than have one innocent person get the

610
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:52.199
death penalty unfairly, I would,
But I have exceptions. Here's one,

611
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.960
and this motherfucker is that kind of
person is the top of my list of

612
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.280
exceptions. Yeah, that quote bothered
me with the revenge thing, but not

613
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:07.400
nearly as much as the fucking smugness
of you're accused of ruining Halloween for everyone.

614
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.719
That's a matter of opinion. He
like laughs, he just a little

615
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:16.960
chuckle there, and that little chuckle
it just enraged me. I became enraged

616
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:22.920
just listening to his little I know
that Israel keys Is little chuckle was aggravating,

617
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:28.199
but this guy's Yeah, Israel Keys
is bad and if you haven't heard

618
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.039
a true crime bullshit with Josh Hallmark, check it out a good podcast.

619
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:36.199
Israel Keys is little chuckle is bad, and it happens far too often in

620
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:42.280
his interrogation videos. But man,
that one little laugh is all I needed

621
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.679
to see inside this man's soul.
You know, you know enough with a

622
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.000
life insurance killing the own his own
kids and everything. But that one little

623
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.039
chuckle was enough for me to see
a window into his dark heart. And

624
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.840
I didn't like what I saw.
Zero guilt, zero remorse for what he

625
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.199
did. Probably, if you were
alive now to this day, did not

626
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.960
think he did anything wrong. In
addition to the greater evil of this fucker

627
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:07.559
trying to kill his own children for
insurance money, he almost ruined the fund

628
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.920
for millions of kids, and showed
no remorse all the way up until he

629
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.840
was put to death. Ronald Clark
O'Brien tried to turn an urban legend into

630
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.599
real life, but only succeeded in
murdering his own eight year old son.

631
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.280
I can't imagine the pain of cyanide
induced death, especially in a child.

632
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:28.719
It has no concept of what's going
on. Yeah, your cell's dying from

633
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.239
the inside out as your brain and
heart begin to slowly shut off, and

634
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:36.480
feeling this process the entire time until
the end. It would be a horrible

635
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.880
way to go. And that someone
could do that to their own child.

636
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.440
Yeah, yeah, to any child, but especially to their own child,

637
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.840
you know, because there's human beings
have you know, pathways wired in their

638
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.800
brain that prevent them from killing their
children. Yeah, So clearly this guy's

639
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:57.599
got something fucking majorly broken in his
brain. From this Halloween going forward,

640
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.760
I'm going to dedicate my family's little
haunted House to the memory of Timothy Clark

641
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.840
O'Brien, a little boy who loved
Halloween and didn't deserve the fate he received.

642
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.280
A small plaque will eventually be made
and hung by the entrance to our

643
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:12.920
haunted house, and going forward,
when we eventually go pro with the haunted

644
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.440
House, it's gonna be there too. So may he rest in peace.

645
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.159
Timothy Clark O'Brien dealt a bad hand. You had the wrong father. Absolutely

646
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.920
anything else you want to say about
Ronald Clark O'Brien do. I hope that

647
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.679
if there is an afterlife, he
is in the worst part of it.

648
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:36.239
The part where you get pineapples round
up your ass backwards every five minutes,

649
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.880
I hope, but a thousand albert
fishes are doing horrible things for sure if

650
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:47.400
it exists. Anyways, let's get
to part two. Part two. Son

651
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:52.360
of Sam so Berkowitz was one of
the cases I never planned to touch here

652
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.119
in true crime horror story, but
here we are. It's not that the

653
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.159
premise of a demon dog commanding the
son of Sam to kill is just too

654
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.079
boring. I don't know. Spike
Lee kind of proved that it's just the

655
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.440
actual killings don't have enough for me
to expand upon based on them being quick

656
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.800
shooting kills. But I had never
heard the story before I began research for

657
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.039
this episode. I had never heard
it either. I took a little creative

658
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.280
license, said in the scene,
but the facts are correct. It's another

659
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:20.000
story about the fear of a secret
Satanic society, similar to many we have

660
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.599
covered in season one a true crime
horror story. I don't believe the hype,

661
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:27.719
though, Alcam's Razor says that usually
the simplest explanation is a correct one,

662
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:31.400
and a bad cocaine deal seems much
more likely than a murderous underground network

663
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:37.760
conducting human sacrifices on all Hallow's Eve. Yeah, absolutely, it's I've said

664
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:44.480
this time and time again that it's
never a Satanic cult. Satanic cults like

665
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:49.199
this don't exist. Satanic colts are
a bunch of men who look like Henry's

666
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.679
or Browsie's sucking each other's dicks in
a back rooms for real and lighting incense.

667
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:58.679
Satanic coult unwashed dudes and trilbies jerking
off to Kenneth Anger while lighting red

668
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:02.480
candles. Yeah, that's pretty much
again. Yeah, clearly with the Nightstalker

669
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:08.400
episode, we've proven that rogue Satanists
do exist, or people who kill and

670
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:12.599
say they do it for Satan.
Same with the assholes who killed at least

671
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.039
Baylor. You know, those people
do exist. But this whole grand conspiracy

672
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:20.679
idea of a Satanic cult, it's
just it's people trying to make the world

673
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.079
seem worse than it is, even
though the fact that the world, the

674
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.960
real world, is much worse than
that. Anyway. Yeah, there's not

675
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.480
a conspiracy. There's just fucking shitty
people out there. Yeah, it doesn't

676
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:37.079
take a horned demon to influence people
to be horrible people. And really,

677
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:44.840
all that Satanic panic bullshit does is
it serves to misguide people and draw them

678
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:49.559
towards religion that they may not even
necessarily need in their life. But you

679
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.480
know, like the whole the whole
preschool you know thing where they said,

680
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.440
you know, the preschoolers were saying
that, oh, the people are molesting

681
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.559
us, and they flushed us down
the toilet and then yea, all that

682
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.519
shit that well, yeah, a
terrible case. None of that shit has

683
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:06.599
ever been proven to exist in this
world. Yes, there are weird people

684
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:08.679
out there who do weird shit,
and sometimes they do it together. But

685
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:15.400
this whole grand conspiracy of Satanism thing
is one percent completely an invention and tool

686
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.639
of the religious right trying to wrote
people in using fear. And you should

687
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.760
never have to go somewhere where that
if someone has to use fear to get

688
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.079
you to come to them and accept
them, they're not something you should accept,

689
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.599
definitely. And you know what,
a lot of this serves to muddy

690
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.599
up the waters to the real problem
too. You're saying, oh, a

691
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:37.360
secret underground network of Satanists did it, when really we need to find out

692
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:42.400
who actually did it. Yeah,
and usually it's someone within this person's own

693
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:46.480
life, not some secret underground society
of thousands of people orchestrating their death.

694
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:51.519
Yeah, drug deal gone bad,
you know, so someone who's doing it

695
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:53.880
for money, a jolted lover or
things like that. The only thing that

696
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:59.840
kind of makes me go huh about
this is you know, the Berkowitz prediction.

697
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:02.320
Yeah, yeah, that's that's what
made this interesting. And that's the

698
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.239
only reason I covered it was the
fact that it was tied to a massive

699
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:09.239
serial killer. It had the Halloween
element and had a little bit of the

700
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:14.800
supernatural unexplained element that I love about
Halloween. So I wanted to tie in

701
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:19.599
at least one case with some kind
of unexplainable loose end. I think he

702
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.679
just nostre damist to that ship,
you know. I think what he said

703
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:28.400
was just vague enough that it was
plausible that something like that was going to

704
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:30.960
happen, and then he could say, Okay, there it is. Yeah,

705
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:34.239
definitely. Well, they did say
that he did have some facts that

706
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.039
were never released by the detectives to
the public, so that that's one thing.

707
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:42.199
But you know, like you said, who knows. At the same

708
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:44.719
time, you know, he was
in gen pop in prison, He wasn't

709
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:49.719
in solitary confinement, So you know, maybe he heard from someone on the

710
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.840
inside who knew that the crime was
going to happen on the outside. Yeah,

711
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.960
and then and then put put that
out there, Yeah, as a

712
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.519
way to sort of also, you
know, he was he was crazy,

713
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.519
but he wasn't an complete idiot.
Yeah, he was cunning, and so

714
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.280
he probably saw that as an opportunity
to bolster his legend and just ran with

715
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:14.679
it. All right, let's get
to our third and final part of this

716
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:22.119
episode, Part three. Maybe missing
a little play on words there, Maybe

717
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.239
Wisconsin get it. I see what
you did there. Thanks a lottam a

718
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:28.639
call for the research on Ronald Clark, O'Brien and Daniel Clay. We are

719
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.280
sort of going to be working as
more of a team in season two,

720
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.519
and I'm gonna lean a little heavy
on our research staff since I've been going

721
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.800
crazy putting it in hundreds of hours
towards the show in addition to working the

722
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.920
full time job remodeling a house and
raising four kids. So if you like

723
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:44.920
to show the way it is,
don't worry. The vibing presentation is still

724
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:46.480
going to be the same, and
I'm still gonna put my spin on things.

725
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.199
I just won't have to be doing
so much of the legwork getting the

726
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.159
fact straight going forward in the next
season that she's going to really help me

727
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:57.159
out and it's going to help us
produce more content. Absolutely, and it's

728
00:54:57.199 --> 00:54:59.800
definitely good to be able to delegate
that stuff out, and it's great that

729
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:05.119
we have such dedicated, capable researchers
that are willing to help us out with

730
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.960
this. Yeah, this is a
sad case, poor Chelsea Bruck looking forward

731
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:13.519
to this big party for months only
to be strangled and her skull caved in

732
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.559
by a scum like Daniel Clay.
I just saw something about this. I

733
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:20.119
don't think it was Forensic Files,
but it was one of those kinds of

734
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.480
shows like ID Channel. Yeah,
they were doing something similar to what we're

735
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:27.519
doing here with you Halloween murders,
and that story came on and it was

736
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.880
a really infuriating story to listen to
and to watch. But I did what

737
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:35.760
they didn't go into was the ripple
effect of the community afterwards. I didn't

738
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:37.280
know about that, and when I
heard about that, it made me even

739
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:43.880
more angry. In the interrogation videos, it's obvious that this guy's a fucking

740
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.760
dirt bag. Yeah, and he's
a huge pussy as well. Big bad

741
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.239
Daniel Clay could kill a young girl
but cracked within hours of being interrogated by

742
00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:58.559
police with tears flowing like Big Mike's
Halloween bashed tag beer. He almost got

743
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:00.639
away with it too. It's a
thing Eric Kasab had a change of heart

744
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:06.119
and valued human life more than the
possibility of a minor trespassing charge. Too

745
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.079
bad it wasn't sooner, though,
because maybe the rape of Autumn Miller would

746
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:13.039
have been prevented. Yeah. Still, I'm almost sure Clay had more victims,

747
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.840
as this type of behavior isn't usually
an isolated incident. If he can

748
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.119
do it and almost get away with
it, like you never you know,

749
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.559
you never get that close to getting
away with it with your first crime,

750
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:28.400
definitely, you know, time and
time again, it's been proven that you

751
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:30.920
know people who do this. Of
course, there are serial killer should get

752
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:32.800
away with it over time. But
like, this situation was way too clean

753
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:37.320
and way too well thought out,
especially when we know of at least one

754
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:39.880
other victim, and with his rapshet
of over ten arrests prior to his conviction

755
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:44.679
a history of violence, it makes
it very very likely that there's more out

756
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.199
there that never came forward if they
weren't killed, maybe raped kind of like

757
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:51.480
Autumn, you know, that wasn't
necessarily a murder, it was just a

758
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.199
rape. Yeah. I think Chelsea
had a little bit more fight than he

759
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:57.440
wanted. Probably maybe he'd died in
away with this in the past, based

760
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.079
on you know, how people who
are a perpetrator can identify people who can

761
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:05.880
be a victim. It's like an
unsaid vibe between the two to where perpetrators

762
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.159
know their victims and they know who
they can get away with and who's not

763
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.760
going to say anything, and they
know who is going to speak up.

764
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.840
Yeah, And I think with Chelsea, it was like the perfect storm of

765
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:20.840
circumstance more so than her being a
natural victim, you know, being drunk

766
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:24.599
walking along the highway by yourself,
you know, after not having cell phone

767
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:30.800
reception, to be scantily clad and
then and none of this is to blame

768
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:32.360
the victim for this, you know, it's it's not saying you know,

769
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:37.599
she if she wasn't if she was
at home with a baby in her lap,

770
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.199
you know, in the kitchen,
she wouldn't have gotten raped and murdered.

771
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:42.079
Like no, no, Yeah,
We're not trying to come across that

772
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.639
way at all. And it's it's
not that because of her dressing up in

773
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.199
a sexy Halloween costume means that she's
going to get raped, and anyone who

774
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.360
thinks that kind of way needs to
be looked at. She got raped and

775
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:57.159
murdered because this motherfucker was a rapist
or a murderer. Yeah, and had

776
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.239
the prime opportunity. It's a it's
a sad situation, and that if she

777
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.679
was never separated from her friends,
this probably would have never happened. Yeah,

778
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.239
So if you're going out to Halloween
parties, girls, but use the

779
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.199
buddy system. Yeah. Absolutely,
fucking hold your when you're going through the

780
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:14.480
crowd, hold your friend's fucking hand. Seriously, when you're going through a

781
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:15.679
big crowd, just do that.
Shit, Who cares how it looks.

782
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:19.559
I kind of poked fun at,
you know, the drunk girl, the

783
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.840
stereotype of the drunk girl trying to
find her friend in the episode. And

784
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:24.960
we've all seen it at pout all
seen it, you know, even that

785
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:30.320
bars restaurants when they're all hammered,
coming in raves, you know, anywhere.

786
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:31.400
You know, we've all seen that. I kind of poked a little

787
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.360
bit of fun at it, but
it's not really anything that we should be

788
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.840
joking about when it comes down to
the real facts. Absolutely, Chelsea Bruck

789
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:44.000
didn't deserve what she had what happened
here. And if you see a drunk

790
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:49.679
girl by herself, obviously scared and
crying, don't consider that it should be

791
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.159
someone else's problem, and help her
find her friend, help her find her

792
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.840
friends. Don't offer her a ride
home because you don't want to put yourself

793
00:58:54.880 --> 00:59:00.880
into a situation that is not good. But trying to get her a ride

794
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:02.400
home, try to get her friends, give her your phone, you know,

795
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:06.119
do something. And when you're a
cab, yeah, call a cab.

796
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.159
Or when you're at a party,
if there's a DJ or a band,

797
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:13.559
most DJs that are worth their salt, if someone's looking for a friend

798
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:15.719
in that situation, the DJ will
get on the microphone and say, hey,

799
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:19.159
so and so, where are you
at? Yeah. I think that

800
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.559
Big Mike's Halloween Bash consisted of a
bunch of shitty metal bands though, so

801
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:24.880
I don't necessarily think they were going
with DJ. It was like every time

802
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:34.199
I Die corn cover band number three
hundred and seventy six. I just want

803
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.599
to say one thing about this case. I love DNA. I love DNA,

804
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:49.159
not like not to consume. But
since scientific breakthroughs have made DNA testing

805
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.519
possible, countless killers have been apprehended
as well as I believe many more violent

806
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:57.400
crimes prevented based on the fear of
perpetrators being caught. This is why,

807
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.400
to me, true crime is a
valuable form of education entertainment, not just

808
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:05.039
murder porn for sick people to get
off while listening to as someone have you

809
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.920
believe absolutely. Yeah, we discussed
this, I think probably on the very

810
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:12.400
first after show that we ever did
for this. You know. The ultimate

811
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.679
value of true crime, and it
really is it's education, you know.

812
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:20.280
And some people handle it more dramatically
than others, you know, some people

813
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.639
try to get a little bit more
salacious with it or whatever, but ultimately

814
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.960
it all boils down to the fact
that it's a fucking important genre because it

815
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.440
shows people the reality of a world
that they may be so innocent that they

816
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:35.800
don't realize that this shit happens.
Yeah, definitely, Chelsea's mom is a

817
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.320
way better person than me. I
can never forgive my daughter's killer, let

818
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:42.480
alone give them a Bible a court
and give him a fucking middle finger in

819
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.800
court. It really reminds me of
the recent case of Amber Geiger, who

820
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.960
shot an unarmed man while entering the
wrong apartment. Though she's a racist piece

821
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:53.679
of shit, the victim botham Jean's
brother Brandt, said God forgives her and

822
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:58.079
asked to give her a hug after
she was convicted of his brother's murder in

823
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.800
court. Our friends over at Invisible
Choir, who we aired a promo for

824
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.000
on this particular show, just did
a great episode on the case and the

825
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.880
whole scenario, So check them out
if you need some more listening this week.

826
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.119
Anything else you want to say about
this case, don't. Yeah,

827
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.199
the ripple effect, how it affected, you know, the whole community,

828
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:21.679
and how they they ended trick or
treating and they ended Halloween celebrations at the

829
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.400
schools because the ship went down.
Yet trick or treating had nothing to do

830
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:30.239
with it. Yeah, it was
just an excuse for these people who are

831
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:36.079
in perpetual states of fear and aren't
willing to face that fear, to just

832
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:39.119
further deny it and bury it.
It's Ammo and the crusade against Halloween,

833
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:43.039
That's all it is. Yeah,
it's it's fucking disgusting, you know,

834
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.599
like, let let us have our
day, let kids enjoy Halloween, let

835
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:52.360
adults enjoy Halloween. It's still you
know, they're that whole thing of you

836
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:57.639
know, the razor blades and the
candy apples or the poison candy or any

837
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.599
of that. The only time that
shit ever had happened, it was a

838
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:04.639
father doing it to its own son. Yeah. There's a great documentary called

839
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.800
The Urban Legend, made by the
people who made the documentary Cropsy, which

840
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:09.719
is also excellent. Yeah, that
Urban Legends one's pretty good. Yeah,

841
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:14.960
and they go into that about how
there's other than this one instance. There's

842
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:19.199
never been a proven case of someone
trying to poison children on Halloween. It's

843
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.760
never happened to a stranger. Right, It's never happened to a stranger by

844
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.840
a stranger. It's always been someone
parents. Yeah, And you know,

845
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.599
if you if you were involved in
your kid's life and you take your kids

846
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:32.920
trick or treating, shit's gonna be
safe. They're not gonna get kidnapped.

847
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.840
Don't let them meet the candy till
you inspect it. It's an urban legend,

848
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:39.440
but still I inspect the fuck out
of my kids candy. Oh yeah,

849
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:42.719
you know, I'm not trying to
all kinds of samples to make sure

850
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.519
they're not poison. That's yeah,
that's a good two line. Yeah.

851
01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:50.920
But even you know, if you're
worried about your kids getting getting kidnapped or

852
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.480
murdered or run over or whatever on
Halloween, all of these things that don't

853
01:02:53.599 --> 01:02:58.920
really happen anyway. But if you're
worried about that, be a part of

854
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.519
your kid's life. Go out there
with them, because I guarantee you that

855
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:06.679
your kid's not going to get kidnapped
if you're standing right there actually actively watching

856
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:08.360
them and engaging with them. You
know, if you want to stay home

857
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.920
and be lazy and say, oh, my kids can't go trick or treat

858
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.199
and enjoy Halloween because I want to
sit at home and watch the Charlie Round

859
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:20.159
Christmas Special or whatever or Halloween special, fuck you you're a shitty parent.

860
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:22.760
Or if you need to go out
party with your friends at the bar or

861
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.239
some costume party. Halloween is about
the children, people. Yes, I

862
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:30.000
will be attending an adult Halloween party
the day after Halloween, the Friday,

863
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:31.719
and having fund me and my wife. I have a couple of dreams with

864
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:34.880
friends, dress up, you know, do that kind of thing. But

865
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:37.519
Halloween night is strictly for the children. Give them your time a day.

866
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:42.119
And if you're a parent, all
of the holidays are about your children.

867
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.599
That's just the way it is.
It's what you signed up for when you

868
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:49.800
had kids, and so don't be
fucking selfish. Let your kids enjoy it

869
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.920
and get your enjoyment through your children
enjoying it. If you're listening to this

870
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.280
show right now, you probably love
Halloween as much as we do. It's

871
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.719
the best time of the year.
This year, my Hounded House is going

872
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.800
to be five rooms. We have
clowns, skeletons, cannibals, spiders,

873
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:09.880
and scarecrows. I've invested a lot
in Halloween over the years, and every

874
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:14.400
year something gets fucked up. But
that's okay. All the smiles make all

875
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:16.760
the hard work and the costs worth
it. I want to challenge you listeners

876
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.679
to take the time and if you
love Halloween as much as we do,

877
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:24.039
just give a shit this year.
It might be a little late since this

878
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:29.599
is coming out, just give a
shit next year. Set up an awesome

879
01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:33.159
display, dress out, pass out
candy, Sand's raise your blades are poisoned.

880
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:36.320
Yeah, don't do that and help
keep the spirit alive. And this

881
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:41.519
year, if you have an awesome
Halloween display, send us a picture.

882
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:45.079
You're set up to True Crime Horror
Story at gmail dot com. We'll mill

883
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:48.119
you out a sticker. How about
that. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.

884
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:50.280
I hope you have a good one. I hope your kids have a great

885
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:55.760
time, and listeners, stay safe, inspect your candy, and we hope

886
01:04:55.800 --> 01:05:00.199
you enjoy Halloween. And when you're
out trick or treating, don't forget to

887
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:09.360
Let the nights are, let the
night roar. Planet Earth about to be

888
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:15.320
recycling. We are all evil in
some form or another. Are we not?

889
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:20.119
Evil has always existed, perfect world
most people seek. She'll never come

890
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:28.079
past, and it's going to get
worse. True Crime Horror Story contains extreme

891
01:05:28.239 --> 01:06:15.360
violence and adult subject matter. Listener
discretion is advised. I'm your host JAD

892
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:23.840
Horror and this is True Crime Horror
Story Season three, Episode four, the

893
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:30.719
True Crime Horror Story Halloween Special.
Happy Halloween, Listeners and with Me is

894
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:34.840
the co host of the True Crime
Horror Story After Show and the creative force

895
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:40.400
behind Mechanical Ghost that does our theme
music. Can you often hear during our

896
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:44.079
episodes as well as one of the
main researchers and writers of the show,

897
01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:47.440
Dom Hey, what's up? Don't
forget that I also host ghost Song Radio,

898
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.400
premiering October thirty, first Halloween.
Yes, so after you listen to

899
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:56.679
this Halloween special, pop over to
the True Crime Horror Story Network and listen

900
01:06:56.719 --> 01:07:00.760
to the debut episode of ghost Song
Radio. I'll teach how to hunt some

901
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:04.079
fucking ghosts. It's gonna be awesome. We have kind of a special episode

902
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:09.840
this week. We're going to be
examining the murderous career of one of the

903
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:15.880
most notorious slashers ever in American history. This is someone who has almost more

904
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:21.840
myth and legend than man. There's
so much rumor and supposition surrounding his crimes.

905
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.159
You know, it was an extensive
research on my part, so I

906
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:26.800
was like, if we're going to
do this, I got to come on

907
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.239
to be here to maybe dispel some
of the rumors. Yes, Tom,

908
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:33.719
thank you for your research for this
episode. And now we're going to take

909
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:40.599
a little trip to a small town
in Illinois to meet a murderer they called

910
01:07:41.360 --> 01:08:31.079
the Boogie Man. Part one,
a monster emergence. Michael Audrey Myers,

911
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:35.640
also known as the Shape and the
Boogeyman, was an American spree killer who

912
01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:40.640
committed his first murder in nineteen sixty
three at the age of six, and

913
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:45.039
then went on a two night killing
spree in nineteen seventy eight. He was

914
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:48.920
born in October nineteenth, nineteen fifty
seven, to parents Peter and Edith Myers.

915
01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.840
The Myers were an average, white, middle class family who lived in

916
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:58.279
a white two story house located at
forty five Lampkin Lane in the suburb of

917
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:04.199
Haddonfield, Illinois. Publicly, there
was no indication of the horrors to come,

918
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:10.279
but privately, Michael began to show
signs of being incredibly disturbed as early

919
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:15.279
as the age of four. Michael's
one of those rare cases where he actually

920
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:19.399
didn't have anything in the McDonald triad. There was no bedwedding, there was

921
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:23.800
no cruelty to animals, there was
no head trauma, you know, none

922
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:27.239
of that stuff. He wasn't even
known to set fires. It just like

923
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:29.920
all of a sudden, you know, around four years old, something just

924
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.479
clicked in his brain. Yeah,
and seemingly coming from a normal you know,

925
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:38.720
meat and potatoes white bread American family. Yeah. Yeah, And there's

926
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:42.399
a lot of rumors about the family
about how like the mother was like a

927
01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:45.960
stripper and like, you know,
sleeping around and all that, but I

928
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:49.279
couldn't find any evidence that any of
that was actually true. In January of

929
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:55.199
nineteen sixty one, the ones quiet
and polite Michael suddenly became hostile towards his

930
01:09:55.319 --> 01:10:00.039
older sister Judith. He would often
barge into Judith's room stealer diary and draw

931
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:04.920
ugly faces and write a scene words
on the pages. Michael would sometimes hurt

932
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:09.000
himself and then blame Judith for it
so that she would be the one to

933
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.880
get in trouble. At times,
he would just stare at her with a

934
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:17.319
fixated expression for minutes on end.
More than once he was caught spying on

935
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:23.439
her while she was showering or changing
her clothes. Yeah, that's not so

936
01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:25.960
good when that's your sister. I
mean, it's not so good when it's

937
01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.319
anyone. But it's strange though,
because you know, if he did have

938
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:32.520
some sort of sexual fascination with her, it developed very very early in his

939
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.279
life. Because usually, you know, at four years old, you're you're

940
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:40.680
not thinking about girls, about being
a peeping tom. Yeah. Around this

941
01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:44.680
time, Michael was also having trouble
in school. He was a smaller child

942
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.399
who was frequently bullied by larger kids. He would take the bullying for a

943
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:54.520
while, but eventually lash out with
extreme shocking violence. Mental health being what

944
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.760
it was at the time, Michael's
parents didn't know what to do about their

945
01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:00.840
troubled boy, and often they fought
about about it. While his mother,

946
01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:06.000
Edith thought that family and church could
solve the problems, his father Patrick wanted

947
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:12.720
to bring in professionals. These fights
always ended in a stalemate and ultimately nothing

948
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:16.720
was done. This stalemate would tragically
result in the depths of five humans and

949
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:23.399
two dogs and untold mayhem. It's
very progressive that his father was actually like,

950
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:26.000
we need to bring in someone,
you know, professional on this,

951
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:29.560
because this was the nineteen sixties.
They knew things back then, you know.

952
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.319
But the diagnoses were very vague and
there wasn't a lot of good medication.

953
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:36.239
It was usually just like either send
them to boarding school, or send

954
01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:39.479
them to church and hope they get
better, or send them to a mental

955
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:42.600
institution and don't worry about him.
But you know the fact that his father

956
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:46.039
was saying this kid needs therapy in
the early nineteen sixties is really it's kind

957
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:49.319
of commendable. It just kind of
sucks that his mom wasn't really on board

958
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:53.960
with it. Yeah, especially in
a place like small town, suburban Illinois.

959
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.560
You know, people didn't talk about
these kind of things for sure.

960
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:00.520
In nineteen sixty three, fifteen year
old Judith was dating a boy named Daniel

961
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:04.399
Hodges. In May of that year, Judith and Danny went on a camping

962
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:10.319
trip to nearby Russellville, but Judith's
parents insisted that she'd take young Michael along.

963
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:14.640
At some point in the trip,
Judith encouraged Michael to go play in

964
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:16.439
the woods so that she did and
Danny could have some time alone. And

965
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:21.520
that's one way to put it,
I guess. Once they felt they had

966
01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:26.119
some privacy, Judith and Danny began
to fool around in a nearby field.

967
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:30.720
Michael disrupted a sister's lovemaking when he
appeared before her covered in blood and holding

968
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:36.000
a dead rabbit in his hands,
worst cock block ever. Judith was deeply

969
01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:40.439
disturbed by this, but didn't tell
her parents. She didn't want to have

970
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:43.439
to explain what she was doing and
why she wasn't keeping an eye on her

971
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:46.039
little brother. Yeah, I don't
think her parents would have appreciated it that

972
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:50.600
much. On October thirty first,
the same year, the Myer's parents went

973
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:56.439
to a Halloween party, leaving Michael
and his older sister's care. Judith sent

974
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.159
Michael out trick or treating by himself
so that she could invite Danny over.

975
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:03.920
Michael donned his Harlequin costume. And
that's not Harley Quinn either. No,

976
01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:08.439
no, he didn't have on little
booty shorts and a baseball back. It

977
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:12.239
is a six year old boy.
But he didn't go out and collect candy

978
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:15.199
like the other kids. Instead,
he peeped through the windows while Judith and

979
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:20.720
her boyfriend had sex. When Danny
left around ten o'clock pm, Michael crept

980
01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:25.039
back into the house, retrieved a
butcher knife from a drawer in the kitchen,

981
01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:29.359
and then barged into a sister's room. Judith was sitting at her makeup

982
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:33.319
table, still partially nude and brushing
her hair. She barely knew what hit

983
01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:40.239
her as Michael descended upon her,
madly swinging his knife. He stabbed Judith

984
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:45.520
numerous times in the chess torso and
abdomen. It's rumored that Judith's final word

985
01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:51.600
was her brother's name, though there
are no witnesses to substantiate this. Michael

986
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:56.239
left his sister to lead on on
the floor, exited the house and stood

987
01:13:56.279 --> 01:14:00.279
in the front yard, still cloud
in his bloody clown costume and holding gore

988
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:05.199
splattered knife. Yeah. I read
a forensic report on this and they actually

989
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:11.720
could not determine how many times she
was stabbed. That's how badly that he

990
01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:15.600
went overkill on her. But most
of the wounds were actually superficial, and

991
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:19.000
it was the bleeding out that actually
killed her. Yeah. The crime scene

992
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.840
photos of this murder are some of
the worst I've ever seen. Yeah,

993
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:25.079
it's like someone just want to I
don't want to make light of it,

994
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:28.199
but it looked like the aftermath of
a guar concert. This is where his

995
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:31.119
parents found him, standing there,
staring off into the distance and not speaking

996
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:35.880
a word. Michael was then taken
to Smith's Grove Sanitarium, where he used

997
01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:39.640
to be held until he was twenty
one years old and could be tried as

998
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:45.199
an adult under Illinois law. There
he became the patient of doctor Samuel Loomis

999
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:48.199
for the next fifteen years. Loomis
did all he could to reach Michael,

1000
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:54.960
who had fallen into a state of
catatonia. Many armchair psychologists and conspiracy theorists

1001
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:59.600
have attempted to diagnose Michael or explain
his actions over the years. Theories of

1002
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:02.560
rain from the more plausible idea that
Michael had some sort of early sexual attraction

1003
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:06.119
to his sister and was driven to
murder because he had to repress his impulses

1004
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:11.960
to the less credible idea that Michael's
family was descended from a bizarre Celtic death

1005
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:15.640
cult and he harpered some sort of
demon inside of him and had to sacrifice

1006
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:20.319
his sister to dark gods on Halloween
aka Saalwyn. If you're dancing, it's

1007
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:26.960
swine. There's some really really bizarre
conspiracy sites out there, Like there's all

1008
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:31.600
kinds of weird theories about how like
incest was a necessary component of this ritual

1009
01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:35.279
to keep demons at bay from coming
to the earth or something like that.

1010
01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:42.359
Doctor Loomis came to a much simpler
conclusion after unsuccessfully treating Michael for a decade

1011
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:46.199
and a half. In his book
The Devil's Eyes, Loomis wrote, I

1012
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:50.079
met the six year old child with
this blank pale, a motionless face,

1013
01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:55.960
and the blackest eyes, the devil's
eyes. I realized what was living behind

1014
01:15:56.000 --> 01:16:00.079
that boy's eyes was purely and simply
evil. Michael Myers is most dangerous patient

1015
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:06.119
I've ever observed. This canatonia is
a conscious act. There's an instinctive force

1016
01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:12.880
within him. He's waiting. While
moral questions of good and evil maybe debatable.

1017
01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:15.840
Loomis was right about one thing.
Michael was waiting for something, and

1018
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:20.279
in nineteen seventy eight, the instinctive, murderous force within him woke up.

1019
01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:28.319
Loomis is an interesting character. I
think that treating Michael actually broke him.

1020
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:32.520
I've read his book, and he
doesn't write like a psychologist. He almost

1021
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:40.039
writes like someone who's who's discussing religion
and real like existential questions of good and

1022
01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:43.000
evil. You know, early on
he was a pretty acclaimed psychologist, so

1023
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:45.279
probably early on, you know,
he was into you know, diagnoses in

1024
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.640
medication and all that. But he
seemed really, really convinced that there was

1025
01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:55.159
something beyond human consciousness happening inside of
Michael, and that it would shut itself

1026
01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:58.479
off and turn itself back on.
I don't want to speak ill of the

1027
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:00.600
dead. But the way he kind
of took this story and his interviews with

1028
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:04.479
Michael Myers and ran with it,
you know, throughout the American talk show

1029
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:09.680
circuit, just try to capitalize off
it as much as possible. It's kind

1030
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:12.479
of scummy to me. Yeah,
that's that's a little bit questionable. You

1031
01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:16.239
know. It could be that he
was just saying that to dramatize the situation

1032
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:19.039
a little bit and really kind of
build up the story and the mythos a

1033
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:23.439
little bit more. But there are
things that he did in real life,

1034
01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:25.680
like you know, we're going to
go into it about him, you know,

1035
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:29.920
kind of taking it upon himself to
actually get Michael back to Smith's Grove.

1036
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:31.239
That kind of makes me think that
he did, at some point,

1037
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:33.920
or at least on some level,
believe some of the things that he was

1038
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:43.439
saying. Part two. The night
he came back on October thirtieth, nineteen

1039
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.840
seventy eight, Michael Myers broke out
of his room at Smith's Grove Sanitarium and

1040
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:53.039
release the other patients from their rooms. At the same time, doctor Loomis

1041
01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:58.640
and his colleague Maryon Chambers arrived at
the sanitarium to escort the now twenty one

1042
01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:02.159
year old Michael tore for his trial
for the murder of his sister. Michael

1043
01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:08.399
escaped by stealing Womas's car and driving
off. Though no one was ever able

1044
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:13.560
to figure out when or how the
previously catatonic person learned to drive, it's

1045
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:16.159
an interesting question. He watched people
do it. I mean, there's stories

1046
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:18.720
of little kids driving their mom to
the hospital. You know, they've never

1047
01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:23.800
had to necessarily experience behind the wheel. But that's got to imagine there's a

1048
01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:27.119
lot of stopping and starting, and
stopping and starting and hard jerky emotions.

1049
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.239
Yeah. Well, and he probably
had been transferred from place to place,

1050
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:34.920
you know, at least a couple
times. And who knows when he was

1051
01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:39.560
in his catatonic state what he was
watching and absorbing. That's the only thing

1052
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.880
that I could think of is maybe
he was shut down and noncommunicative, but

1053
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:45.720
he was still vigilant in that state
and was just able to absorb it.

1054
01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:49.720
Michael returned to Haddonfield. On the
outskirts of town, he killed truck driver

1055
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:56.000
Christopher Hastings by snapping the man's neck
with his bare hands. Michael then swapped

1056
01:18:56.000 --> 01:19:00.760
out his mental hospital patients clothing for
Hastings mechanics jumpsuit. What made hastings death

1057
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:04.319
all the more unfortunate was that he
was not even supposed to be working that

1058
01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:09.520
night and was covering another employee shift
as a favor to his boss. It

1059
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:12.039
makes me think of Friday. How
are you going to get fired on your

1060
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:15.319
day off? How are you gonna
get killed in your clothes stolen when your

1061
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:17.199
day off? Yeah, and yeah, I actually did some reading on Hastings,

1062
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:23.520
and his whole story is super sad. Like he actually wasn't even supposed

1063
01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:26.560
to be in Haddonfield at that point. He didn't live there anymore because he

1064
01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:31.039
had this this fiance that he on
his bachelor party night, he got drunk

1065
01:19:31.239 --> 01:19:36.000
and fucked a stripper and he confessed
to his fiance about it because he was

1066
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:41.000
so guilty and she had to clear
her head and went for a drive and

1067
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:44.279
got in a car wreck and died. And so yeah, so like this

1068
01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:47.119
guy's life kind of sucked. So
he left Haddonfield but continued to work for

1069
01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:53.520
this this trucking and mechanics company and
had gone into Haddonfield to do a job

1070
01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:57.079
just you know, I think he
lived in the next town over and he

1071
01:19:57.159 --> 01:20:01.680
had gone into Haddonfield to do a
job, and then the other trucker called

1072
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:04.479
in sick or probably just wanted to
party because you know, it's the night

1073
01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:09.359
before Halloween or whatever, and his
boss like, Halloween Eve. Yeah,

1074
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:12.800
I'll Hallow's Eve eve, you know, Devil's Night or whatever, you know,

1075
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.960
the night before Halloween. But whatever
the case. The guy that was

1076
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.560
supposed to work that night called in
and he was like Hastings, was like,

1077
01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:21.439
I want to get out of Haddonfield, you know, and his boss

1078
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:24.920
was like, look, I need
you to cover this shift. I'll pay

1079
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:27.920
you for the shift plus an extra
fifty bucks. I mean it was nineteen

1080
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:30.399
seventy eight, so like fifty bucks
is different than it was now. That's

1081
01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:33.199
like two yeah right, But still
like he wasn't supposed to work that night.

1082
01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:38.079
He was working an extra shift for
a Measley equivalent of a couple hundred

1083
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:42.279
bucks and fucking died for it.
That sucks. Moral of the story.

1084
01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:46.600
Never take somebody else's shift, Yeah
never. Michael's next stop was the Haddonfield

1085
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:50.319
Cemetery, where he somehow managed to
sneak in under the cover of night to

1086
01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:56.920
unearth Judith's headstone and remove it from
the graveyard. From there, Michael drove

1087
01:20:56.960 --> 01:21:01.439
into Haddonfield Proper. He still some
knives and a ghostly white William Shatner mask

1088
01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:06.880
from Nichols Hardware store. After obtaining
his weapons in disguise, Michael returned to

1089
01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:12.119
his family home on Lambkin Lane,
which had sat abandoned since the nineteen sixty

1090
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:16.359
three murder of Judith Myers. Urban
legends surrounded the house and it was widely

1091
01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:20.399
known as the residence of the Boogie
Man to local children. Little did they

1092
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:25.439
know the house had been on the
market for a decade and a half with

1093
01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:30.479
no buyers. While vandals had smashed
out the windows and spray painted graffiti on

1094
01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:33.319
the outside, no one was brave
enough to go into the house. It

1095
01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:39.640
just sat there, rotting, the
windows boarded up with a spider web covered

1096
01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:44.399
for sales sign now out front.
Michael had no trouble breaking into the house

1097
01:21:44.479 --> 01:21:47.520
and setting himself up there. The
later search of the house found a recently

1098
01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:53.199
killed and mutilated stray dog in one
of the bedrooms. The canine corpse showed

1099
01:21:53.199 --> 01:21:57.760
evidence of having been eaten, likely
by Myers, and there was evidence of

1100
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:06.199
seamen duck Don Biff okay out of
the yeah. So this house was that

1101
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:11.520
quintessential creepy house on the corner,
you know, where the witch lives or

1102
01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:15.920
the Boogeyman lives or whatever. And
you know, usually when there's those houses,

1103
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:17.560
you know, kids dare each other
to go in and all that.

1104
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:23.640
But apparently this house, like after
you know, the murders and the Myers

1105
01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:29.079
family left, it just sat and
everything inside was dusty, but like nobody

1106
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:31.560
had gone in and messed with anything. It was just the legend around it,

1107
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:35.239
even at that point, was just
that scary to the kids. It

1108
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:40.119
was at the abandoned Myer's house that
Michael first said eyes and the teenage girl

1109
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:44.800
that he'd intended to make his next
victim. A police timeline puts Laurie Strode

1110
01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:48.000
at the old Myers place in the
morning of October thirty first. Laurie was

1111
01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:54.000
the daughter of Morgan Pamela Strode.
Morgan being a successful realtor in Haddonfield who

1112
01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:58.600
had recently been saddled with trying to
sell the Myers house. Morgan and asked

1113
01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:00.399
Laurie to drop a key off at
the house on her way to school.

1114
01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:04.960
Both Laurie and the local boy named
Tommy Doyle, who was walking to school

1115
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:09.119
with Laurie that morning confirmed that she
had dropped the key in the mail slot.

1116
01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:13.119
If Michael had gone straight to his
old house after stealing the items from

1117
01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:19.279
Nichols Hardware and fucking the dog got
include the dog, that would have put

1118
01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:23.680
him on the scene at least thirty
minutes before Lorie had dropped the key off.

1119
01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:28.800
It is believed that Michael saw doing
this and immediately fixated his homicidal urges

1120
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:33.359
upon her. There's much speculation as
to why Myers became obsessed with Laurie Strode.

1121
01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:39.880
A popular urban legend is that Strode
herself was Michael's younger biological sister who

1122
01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:44.000
was secretly adopted by the Strode family
after Peter and Edith Myers were killed in

1123
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:48.600
an automobile accident. According to legend, Myers returned to Haddonfield with the sole

1124
01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:54.199
intent of killing his younger sister and
finishing when he had started all those years

1125
01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:58.359
ago. While it is true that
Myers's parents had died in the accident,

1126
01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:02.119
there's no official record of them having
a third child. Another theory is that

1127
01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:06.680
Michael saw Laurie and something about her
reminded him of his older sister, and

1128
01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:12.880
this is what sparked his homicidal desire. Laurie and Judith were very different people,

1129
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:16.359
however, in physical appearance alone,
Laurie was a brunette with curly hair

1130
01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:20.600
and Judith was blonde with straight hair. Facially, there was little to no

1131
01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:27.520
similarities. Even their body types were
different. In terms of personality, Judith

1132
01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:30.880
was an outgoing social butterfly with a
rebellious streak, while Laurie was much more

1133
01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:35.960
reserved and studious. Judith was known
to be promiscuous, while Laurie herself was

1134
01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:41.920
a virgin. Of course, Michael
had no way of knowing what their personality

1135
01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:45.680
differences were because he had only seen
Laurie at that point and knew nothing of

1136
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:49.520
the person that she was. Beyond
that, Michael very likely lacked the capacity

1137
01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:55.319
for empathy that it would take to
notice any difference in personality. More plausibly,

1138
01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:59.279
Laurie was simply the first teenage girl
that Michael had laid his eyes upon

1139
01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:02.439
once he ret her into Haddonfield,
and he immediately conflated her with his sister,

1140
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:08.159
and his mind to a psychopath like
Myers, all teenage girls would likely

1141
01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:13.920
be the same. Part of the
whole sister legend comes from the fact that

1142
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:17.079
this is actually true, Like there
are crime scene photos, not crime scene

1143
01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:19.720
photos, but I guess it would
be a crimescen because he escaped. But

1144
01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:25.159
there are photos of Michael cell from
the night that he escaped, and he

1145
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:29.479
had used something to scratch the word
sister into the back of the door of

1146
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:33.960
his cell. So a lot of
people think that Michael had returned to Haddonfield

1147
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:38.880
to find his sister, and then
because Laurie was his topic of obsession,

1148
01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:42.600
that she was the sister. But
I think it was more likely that when

1149
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:45.359
whatever tripped in his brain and activated
did so, he was just thinking about

1150
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:49.479
Judith and like carved that into the
door. Much of those reports leave out

1151
01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:56.039
that above the word sister was twisted
rock. That's all he wanted. He

1152
01:25:56.119 --> 01:26:00.960
just wanted to go back to Haddonfield
to rock because you're unknown the blade.

1153
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.880
Doctor Loomis, however, argues in
his book that is pointless to ask why

1154
01:26:05.960 --> 01:26:11.600
Michael chose Laurie. In Loomis's opinion, Michael's thoughts, if there were any

1155
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:15.760
thoughts at all, are completely alien
to sane and rational people. Laurie Strode

1156
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:19.439
had gone about her day, going
to school like normal. That afternoon,

1157
01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:24.239
She told her friends Annie Brackett,
the daughter of the local sheriff, and

1158
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:28.159
Lynda vander Clock, that she had
seen a large man in a mass staring

1159
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:30.439
at her through the window while she
was in class, and that she thought

1160
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:35.039
that she was being followed. The
girls were harassed by a mysterious person who

1161
01:26:35.119 --> 01:26:39.119
was pacing them in a car,
and Laurie believed that she had seen the

1162
01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:43.079
stalker watching her from down the street. Her friends made a joke out of

1163
01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:46.439
it, not taking it seriously at
all. Not taking the issue of Michael

1164
01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:51.439
Myers's return seriously would become a common
thread among the people of Haddonfield. After

1165
01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:56.279
dealing with the red tape at Smith's
Grove, doctor Loomis tried to warn people

1166
01:26:56.319 --> 01:27:00.640
that Michael would be returning home,
but nobody would listen. Loomis took it

1167
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:04.239
upon himself to stop the escaped lunatic. Armed with his trustee Smith and Weston

1168
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:10.720
Model fifteen revolver, Loomas headed to
Haddonfield himself. He stopped at a service

1169
01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:14.640
station to call Sheriff Lee Brackett and
warned him that Michael was coming, but

1170
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:17.520
Brackett took him for a crank and
wrote him off. It seems like a

1171
01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:21.720
very very common thread through most of
Michael's life. Is no one really believing

1172
01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:27.039
that anything was super wrong or being
or willing to do anything about it.

1173
01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:30.199
It must have been those short shorts
in the baseball bat and you know,

1174
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:32.760
yeah, the red and blue makeup. I wouldn't believe that either. Though

1175
01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:36.720
Brackett was an experienced police officer and
definitely not some kind of Keystone cop,

1176
01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:41.560
he failed to make the connection between
Michael Myers and the theft of the knives

1177
01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:45.840
and rope at Nichols Hardware. He
did start to suspect something though, when

1178
01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:49.159
it was reported that Judith myers headstone
had been stolen, though he thought it

1179
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:55.159
might have been related to the mysterious
caller, doctor Loomis. It was around

1180
01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:58.399
this time that Loomis had arrived in
town, and the two teamed up together

1181
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:01.960
to investigate the Myers house, finding
evidence that someone was definitely living there,

1182
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:08.920
someone biting and fucking dogs like a
Marve Albert treatment. As a throwback joke,

1183
01:28:09.439 --> 01:28:12.920
Marv Albert, huh, well,
see that Saturday Live with Marve Albert.

1184
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:17.039
Yeah, it's great to have the
support of Rod. At that point,

1185
01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:20.880
Sheriff Brackett started to see the whole
picture and went out to patrol the

1186
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:26.520
town looking for Myers. Lomas opted
to stay at the Myers house in case

1187
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:33.600
Michael returned. Part three, The
Boogeyman Comes Call Me. That evening,

1188
01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:38.760
Laurie Strode was babysitting young Tommy Doyle
at his house when his parents went to

1189
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:43.720
a Halloween party. Tommy, who
was particularly afraid of the Boogeyman and it

1190
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:45.720
had been harassed about it by some
of his peers at school earlier in the

1191
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:49.840
day, told Laurie that he saw
someone standing across the street and staring at

1192
01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:55.079
the house, but Laurie saw no
one there. Laurie was trying hard to

1193
01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:58.560
put her fears from earlier in the
day out of her mind and didn't see

1194
01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:00.720
anyone when she looked out the window, so she chalked up the siding to

1195
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:05.439
Tommy's imagination and the Halloween horror movies
that two had been watching earlier that night.

1196
01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:10.680
Denial, that's the stage she was
in at this point. It ain't

1197
01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:15.439
just a river across the street.
Annie Brackett was babysitting another young girl,

1198
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:19.880
Lindsay Wallace. She was unaware that
Michael Myers was also on the property.

1199
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:24.279
And then he had killed the Wallace
family dog earlier in the evening. Two

1200
01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:27.479
dogs. That's how you know he's
there's something wrong with that motherfucker. He

1201
01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:30.239
can kill as many people as he
wants, but dogs. Now, you

1202
01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:32.560
keep your filthy hands off the animals. The dog was a German shepherd and

1203
01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:35.760
he apparently killed it with his bare
hands. This dude's got some strength.

1204
01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:40.800
Yeah, that's pretty hardcore. Ye. Annie received a call from her boyfriend

1205
01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:45.119
Paul Friedman asking if he could come
over to the house. Preferring to spend

1206
01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:48.039
Halloween with her boyfriend, Annie called
Laurie and that's if she could watch Lindsay

1207
01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:51.800
for a few hours. Laurie agreed
to this. Ever, the helping friend

1208
01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:57.359
and Annie sent the girl over to
the Doyle house. While getting ready to

1209
01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:00.159
go pick Paul up, and he
was assaulted by Michael Myers, who had

1210
01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:03.920
broken into her car and was hiding
in the back seat. He strangled Annie

1211
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:10.079
into submission before slitting her throat.
That's another crazy crime scene photo. It

1212
01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:13.119
looks like someone just took a bucket
of red paint and splashed it all over

1213
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:15.920
the front of the car. Yeah, it's almost too red, Like it

1214
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:19.199
doesn't even look real. Yeah,
yeah, but apparently like he almost decapitated

1215
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:24.640
her, Like that's how deeply he's
lit her throat. Tommy Doyle happened to

1216
01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:29.159
be looking out the window and witness
Myers carrying Annie's corpse back into the Wallace

1217
01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:32.640
House. Reasonably, Tommy lost a
shit at this point and started screaming to

1218
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:36.720
Laurie that he saw the boogey Man
again, and once more, Laurie looked

1219
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:42.640
out of the window but saw nothing. I bet Tommy Doyle's fucked up now.

1220
01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:45.800
Like, he's probably still alive,
but I bet he's had to go

1221
01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:49.039
through a lot of therapy. Yeah
for sure. Probably ruined Halloween for the

1222
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:55.399
poor kid. Yeah, probably.
Soon after Lynda vander Clock and her boyfriend

1223
01:30:55.520 --> 01:31:00.399
Bob Simms pulled up to the Wallace
House, toxicology reports from their off topsies

1224
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:03.039
found that the two had been drinking
for some time. They entered the house,

1225
01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:08.079
likely looking at a party with Annie
and Paul. While the actual events

1226
01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:12.600
that transpired in the house are not
completely clear, evidence indicates that the two

1227
01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:17.119
had sex in the master bedroom before
encountering Myers. You know who is lucky

1228
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:20.560
and all of this, Paul,
because he never made it to the house.

1229
01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:26.800
Yeah, he dodged I'd say he
dodged a bullet, but he dodged

1230
01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:30.479
a butcher knife For that one.
Michael stabbed Bob in the chest with a

1231
01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:33.159
butcher's knife with so much force that
the knife went all the way through Bob's

1232
01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:38.520
body and pinned him to the wall
like an insect. Linda was killed in

1233
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:43.239
the master bedroom, strangled with a
telephone cord. Myers wrapped a cord around

1234
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:46.560
her neck so hard that a collapsed
or trachea. Oddly, a white sheet

1235
01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:49.560
with two holes poked in it were
found discarded on the floor of the master

1236
01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:55.439
bedroom, along with Bob's eyeglasses.
This wouldn't be so strange as it was

1237
01:31:55.520 --> 01:32:00.520
Halloween and Bob could have been dressed
as a ghost, but investigators found synthetic

1238
01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:03.079
hairs on the sheet which were determined
to have come from the William Shatner mask

1239
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:08.159
that Myers was wearing throughout his killing
spree, indicating that Michael could have been

1240
01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:12.079
wearing the sheet at some point in
the evening as well. That's fucking weird.

1241
01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:15.760
I can't even imagine, Like,
I mean, I guess he had

1242
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:17.960
a sense of humor. He's wearing
a William Shatner mask, but then he's

1243
01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:23.720
wearing a sheet over him. Yeah, and possibly Bob's glasses and possibly Bob's

1244
01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:28.600
glasses. I'm a murderer. I
don't know what I want to be for

1245
01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:33.000
Halloween, so I'll just be everything, Star Trek, ghost, tom or

1246
01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:39.359
glasses on. After putting Tommy and
Lindsay to bed, Laurie went across the

1247
01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:42.680
street to the Wallace House to see
how our friends were doing. She found

1248
01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:45.560
the house dark, without a living
soul inside. When searching the house,

1249
01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:50.000
Laurie found Annie Brackett's corpse in one
of the upstairs bedrooms, sprawled out on

1250
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:55.319
the bed with Judith Myer's headstone at
the head of the bed. And that's

1251
01:32:55.760 --> 01:33:00.319
actually an interesting one because I think
if Michael did have any capacity for Athian

1252
01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:04.439
was able to like actually conflate two
people together accurately, Annie would have been

1253
01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:10.439
more like his sister than Laurie would
have, because Annie was apparently the outgoing

1254
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:13.000
one. You know, she was
kind of a stoner and of a skank

1255
01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:15.680
a little bit. Yeah, yeah, the spurs are dead, but well,

1256
01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:16.920
you know, you know how those
kids the cops turn out, You

1257
01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:19.800
know, what happens in a small
town rumors go around fast. Yeah,

1258
01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:25.359
it was said in the local media
afterwards said Judith and Annie had a little

1259
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:27.880
bit in common, you know,
And that's actually kind of fucked up.

1260
01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:30.199
It's like they were trying to almost
victim blame Annie, like if she wasn't

1261
01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:32.359
a slut, she wouldn't have died. But I don't think that's true.

1262
01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:36.199
Like, Michael Myers was in the
house, he was killing anyone who was

1263
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:39.560
there, and she was there.
If she wasn't a babysitter, maybe she

1264
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:41.560
wouldn't have died, but they're not
going to say that in the news.

1265
01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:45.000
In a panic, Laurie fled and
it was here that she came face to

1266
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:49.119
face with Michael Myers, who slashed
hat her with his knife but only managed

1267
01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:53.279
to cut her on the right arm. This caused Laurie to lurch forward and

1268
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:57.560
fall over the banister and down the
stairs, twisting her ankle in the process

1269
01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:01.159
litter. In her testimony, Laurie
said that that Michael moved so slow and

1270
01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:05.640
methodic throughout this entire process, and
her twisting her ankle might have been the

1271
01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:09.159
only reason that she couldn't get away
from him, you know, she just

1272
01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:11.800
couldn't. She was limping around all
night. You know, she couldn't break

1273
01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:15.199
into a run at full speed.
Yeah, she slowly stocked an approach her.

1274
01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:17.359
And that makes me wonder, though, was he messing with her?

1275
01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:23.600
You know, if she's limping,
he could have easily run and tackled her.

1276
01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:25.520
And he was like twice her size. He was a big dude,

1277
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:29.199
so that kind of leaves me to
think that maybe he was like a cat

1278
01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:33.039
playing with a mouse, you know. Undaunted, Lauria pressed on to escape

1279
01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:36.520
the house, but could not immediately
get out the back door because Michael had

1280
01:34:36.560 --> 01:34:41.239
blocked it by leaning a rake against
the outside of the door and pressed against

1281
01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:45.720
the door knob like some kind of
slasher three stooges. Yeah again, you

1282
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:49.079
know it shows you know, doctor
Lewis wants to say that Michael has no

1283
01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:55.680
consciousness, no no ideas, no
thoughts, but things like that show that

1284
01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:58.439
there was some premeditation and some planning
on his part. You know, Home

1285
01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:00.640
Alone hadn't been made at that point, so he had to think of that

1286
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:04.399
shit himself. Despite the obstacle,
Laurie punched through the glass and moved the

1287
01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:09.079
rake, exiting the house as quickly
as her hobbled ankle would let her.

1288
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:13.279
She ran to a neighbor's house and
banged on the door, begging for help,

1289
01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:16.800
but her pleas went unheard. Not
wanting to stay in one place for

1290
01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:20.079
too long, she ran across the
street and back to the Doyle house,

1291
01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:25.279
but found the front door locked.
She pounded on the door, screaming for

1292
01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:29.439
Tommy to let her in, as
Michael methodically pursued her across the street.

1293
01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:31.239
As she banged on the door,
she was yelling, Tommy, can you

1294
01:35:31.359 --> 01:35:38.319
hear me? Unfortunately, Tommy was
fast asleep at this point, and Laurie

1295
01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:41.119
had to throw a potted a plant
against his window to wake him up.

1296
01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:45.439
Tommy let Laurie into the house,
and Laurie told him and Lindsay to lock

1297
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.800
themselves in the upstairs bedroom. Laurie
went to the phone to call the police,

1298
01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:54.000
but found the line dead. Michael
entered the house to confront Laurie in

1299
01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:57.560
the living room, but Laurie evaded
his attack and stabbed him in the neck

1300
01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:01.159
with a knitting needle. This led
Michael down, but it didn't stop him.

1301
01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:04.880
Yeah, the fact that the door
was locked and the phone line was

1302
01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:09.560
cut and all that stuff, that
kind of makes me think that maybe Michael

1303
01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:14.279
was in the house before Laurie went
next door. Yeah, like maybe he

1304
01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:16.319
went in there and set some stuff
up, but it also, yeah,

1305
01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:20.920
he didn't kill the kids, So
was he not a child killer or was

1306
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:24.319
he not in the house? I
don't know, but something in there doesn't

1307
01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:29.359
add up to me. He continued
his pursuit, chasing Laurie upstairs. Laurie

1308
01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:31.560
ducked into a bedroom and hid in
the closet, and it didn't take long

1309
01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.680
for Michael a finder in there,
and he began to break through the closet

1310
01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:41.239
panels. The ever industrious Lorie quickly
straightened a wire clotheshanger and stabbed Michael in

1311
01:36:41.319 --> 01:36:45.760
the eye with a pointy end She's
a fighter. This caused Michael to stagger

1312
01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:48.439
back and drop his knife, which
Lorie scooped up and used to stab him

1313
01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:54.560
in the stomach. Finally, Michael
collapsed to the floor. Laurie rushed to

1314
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.479
the children and escorted them out of
the house, telling them to go to

1315
01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:00.600
a neighbor's house and to call the
police. The children ran down the street

1316
01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:04.600
screaming for help, and they encounter
doctor Loomis, who had gotten tired of

1317
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:08.520
waiting for Michael to return. Home
and went out to look for him.

1318
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:13.560
The kids directed Loomis to the Doyle
house, screaming that the boogey Man was

1319
01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:18.079
there. It's crazy that doctor Loomis
was out there on foot while Sheriff Brackett

1320
01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:23.520
and a couple of cops were actually
driving around patrolling in cars, and Loomis

1321
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:26.159
was the one who found him.
Like the sheriff was on the other side

1322
01:37:26.199 --> 01:37:29.560
of town when all this ship was
going down. It's almost like serendipity.

1323
01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:33.119
Yeah. Back of the Doyle House, Laurie was composing herself and getting ready

1324
01:37:33.159 --> 01:37:38.399
to leave when Michael, apparently have
it recovered from being a stab, grab

1325
01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:42.920
her from behind and begin to strangle
her. Laurie clawed at Michael's face,

1326
01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:46.359
ripping his mask off. This caused
Michael to release her momentarily so that he

1327
01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:51.960
could pull the masks back down.
You know, when you're a lutador,

1328
01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:57.239
you can never be seen without your
mask. It's like a disgrace. Laurie

1329
01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:00.239
tried to put as much distance between
herself and Michael as she could in the

1330
01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:04.079
split second. At this same time, doctor Loomis entered the room and unloaded

1331
01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:10.079
his revolver into Michael's chest, pumping
six bullets into the maniac, causing him

1332
01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:14.600
to fall backwards through a window and
over a second floor balcony. So he's

1333
01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:17.479
been stabbed in the neck with the
knitting needle, He's been stabbed in the

1334
01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:19.920
eye with a coat hanger. He's
been stabbed in the stomach with a knife.

1335
01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:24.119
He's been shot six times, and
he's fallen through a glass window over

1336
01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:28.840
a balcony two floors. Yeah,
pretty much. After checking on Laurie,

1337
01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:31.760
doctor Loomis looked out of the window
that Michael had fallen through, finding that

1338
01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:35.880
Michael had once again escaped. After
all of that, It's fucking crazy.

1339
01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:42.520
He has not been seen since.
Many believe that Michael Myers crawled off into

1340
01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:46.039
the nearby woods to die like a
wounded animal. Urban Legends says that Michael

1341
01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:50.359
survived and is once again waiting for
the evil force within him to reactivate so

1342
01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:55.319
that he can return to Haddonfield and
kill again. He's just in the woods.

1343
01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:58.600
They think it's big Foot, but
it's him. Well, it's very

1344
01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:02.199
likely that Urban Legends or just campfire
tales design to scare kids. There's one

1345
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:08.520
final strange twist to the story following
the nineteen seventy eight murder spree. Greg

1346
01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:13.279
Nichols, owner of Nichols Hardware,
threw away the remaining William Shatner mass that

1347
01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:16.520
he had in stock and never sold
them or any mass manufactured by the Silver

1348
01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:21.279
Shamrock Company ever. Again, the
discarded masks didn't make it to the dump

1349
01:39:21.359 --> 01:39:27.079
though they were almost immediately taken from
the dumpster. While it's very likely that

1350
01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:30.479
the mass were taken by local pranksters
like Michael Myers, they've never been seen

1351
01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:35.760
again. There is a chance,
however, slim, that Michael himself took

1352
01:39:35.800 --> 01:40:20.920
the mass and is still holding onto
them and waiting. Wow. Dom,

1353
01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:25.720
that's an intense story. Yeah,
crazy right, it's crazy that, you

1354
01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:29.000
know, you hear a lot about
your John Wayne Gacy's, your Charles Manson's.

1355
01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:31.199
You're Jeffrey Dahmers. I mean,
Michael Meyers should be a household name

1356
01:40:31.239 --> 01:40:34.359
by this point with this crazy killing
spree. But I guess maybe because it

1357
01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:38.800
was just one night of Halloween and
then what had happened to a sister that

1358
01:40:38.840 --> 01:40:42.800
it didn't become widespread knowledge. But
man, they should really make a movie

1359
01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:45.039
out of this. They should,
yeah, I mean, and there's enough

1360
01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:47.479
urban legends surrounding it. I mean, some of the urban legends totally like

1361
01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:54.920
like incongruous. You know, like
Laurie was his sister and she died in

1362
01:40:55.000 --> 01:41:00.079
a car accident after surviving him,
but she had a daughter and he he

1363
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.640
went after her daughter. There's I
mean, like all these conspiracy sites,

1364
01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:05.840
there's like a story about how Michael
Myers got a hold of Lorie's daughter and

1365
01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:10.239
got her pregnant. And yeah,
I don't know, man, it's there's

1366
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:13.279
enough for a whole series here.
It's guys. There have been a couple

1367
01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:16.520
books written about this though. Of
course there's there's Loomis's book, but there's

1368
01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:19.640
another one that's almost more of like
a biography. It's called Blackest Eyes,

1369
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:24.520
and that's where I got the background
information about him, like, you know,

1370
01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:26.680
all the stuff with his sister that
kind of led up to it,

1371
01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:29.479
you know, with her boyfriend in
the woods and all that. Like that's

1372
01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:31.720
not one of the more more commonly
told stories. But if you get that

1373
01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:35.760
that Blackest Eyes book, it actually
has a lot of really really good background

1374
01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:39.880
information in it that a lot of
people don't talk about. And that's the

1375
01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:45.840
story of the boogeyman, Michael Audrey
Myers. It's because he had the girl's

1376
01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:47.600
middle name also set him off.
So set him off. I mean,

1377
01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:51.479
my name is Dominic Justine Balsamo.
But like, I've only killed two people.

1378
01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:55.760
Not a lot has been heard about
from Michael Myers since he escaped that

1379
01:41:55.920 --> 01:42:00.800
night, other than when he grew
up to be a cast member in the

1380
01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:08.399
nineties on Saturday Night Live Party on
Michael Party on Yeah. I think probably

1381
01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:12.039
the Love Guru was a bigger atrocity
than anything he could have done in nineteen

1382
01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:16.119
seventy eight. Thank you for joining
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1383
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:20.199
Halloween special. We hope you enjoyed
it. A little something different out of

1384
01:42:20.279 --> 01:42:24.560
the Shop, a week in a
nod towards the season, and one of

1385
01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:29.399
our favorite horror movies, Hell Yeah. This episode features music by Mechanical Ghosts

1386
01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:32.199
and The Quiet Type, as well
as artwork by Nuclear Heat Graphics, and

1387
01:42:32.439 --> 01:42:39.159
was researched by dom That's me suggested
movies similar to today's cases. Oh man,

1388
01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:43.640
I don't know. I don't know. I think there's about six of

1389
01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:46.439
them, and a couple of shitty
secures and a couple of shitty remakes.

1390
01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:51.039
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1395
01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:12.520
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1396
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1397
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Radio debuting today. If you're listening to

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us as it's new on October thirty
first, twenty twenty, we hope you

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enjoyed the episode Happy Halloween and like
the Boogeyman Michael Wires, nothing can stop

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Halloween, not even a pandemic.
And if you're really really feeling the season

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but you don't want to get out
and you don't want to you don't want

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to risk contracting a disease, that's
cool. I understand that. Here's what

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you gotta do before Halloween. You
know you gotta well, obviously it's Halloween

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now, but you know, maybe
you can do this next year if they're

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still COVID nineteen in Halloween twenty twenty
one. God, I hope not.

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But what you do is you take
your your mask right, and you put

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it on over your face so that
you lower half of your face is covered

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and you you're not potentially spreading any
diseases. And you go to the dollar

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store and you just buy bags and
bags and bags of candy. If you

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can't go out, all you got
to do is sit in your house and

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tear into that candy and just eat
and eat and eat until you puke.

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And that is what we call letting
the night draw Planet Earth about to be

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recycling. We are all evil in
some form or another, are we not.

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Peole has always existed perfect world most
people seek. She'll never come from

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pass, and it's gonna get worse. True Crime Horror Story contains extreme violence

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and adult subject matter. Listener discretion
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Jady Horror, and this is True
Crime Horror Story. Season four Bonus episode

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five, The TCHS Halloween Special,
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contributor and collaborator and all the things
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Network and music by Mechanical Ghosts my
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shit's about to get scary and Dom, just like the first Halloween special,

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you research and wrote this episode,
this one was a lot harder because there's

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not a lot of information about this
one out there. Well, this case

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is shocking, to say the least, and just like our first one,

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I mean, this is true crime, but it's something so scary and horrific

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that it's almost like it's straight out
of a horror movie. Yeah, there's

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there's definitely the emphasis on horror and
the horror story for this one. And

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thank you to our new patrons,
our current matrons, and everyone who's stuck

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with us for season four. After
Halloween, when my haunted house is all

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wrapped up and all that giant workload
is off of me, we're going to

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do the season four wrap up and
then we'll get into the new season.

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So it's coming soon. But without
further ado, let's get to the second

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annual True Crime Horror Story Halloween Special. Our subject here today is s Quintin

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01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:38.960
Quail America's Doctor Frankenstein. S Quinton
Quail was quite possibly the closest thing in

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01:48:39.000 --> 01:48:43.600
America ever had to its own Doctor
Frankenstein. A mad scientist to the first

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01:48:43.640 --> 01:48:47.479
degree, Quail allegedly believed that he
could create a race of superhumans through surgical

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01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:54.720
augmentation and engage in terrifying human experimentation
to meet his ends. As he descended

1440
01:48:54.760 --> 01:48:59.119
into madness, Quell's experiments became a
little more than ranked torture and murder.

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01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.159
Quill's story is the stuff of allegend. In fact, much of his tale

1442
01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:08.920
has been obscured by urban mythology,
making it difficult to separate fact from fiction.

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01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:13.600
Quill himself never went on record to
give up the truth about his terrific

1444
01:49:13.720 --> 01:49:17.319
deeds, so his entire story is
fraught with speculation and rumor. What follows

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01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:20.479
is the best attempt we can make
to separate fact from fiction, and all

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01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:25.119
of this based on the small handful
of records and writings that are available.

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01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:32.079
Part one, A Monster is Born. S Quinton Quail was born on October

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01:49:32.159 --> 01:49:38.439
twenty fifth, in nineteen twenty two
in Selina, Texas. He was born

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01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:42.520
into wealth and privilege, his family, coming from old European money and increasing

1450
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:47.039
their fortunes in the fledgling American railway
industry. Young Quintin had everything he could

1451
01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:51.039
ever ask for and was waited on
hand and foot by servants. He was

1452
01:49:51.079 --> 01:49:56.560
an incredibly intelligent child, but developed
problematic behavior after being thrown off of a

1453
01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:01.399
horse at age seven and suffering a
head injury. It's the first sign that

1454
01:50:01.479 --> 01:50:04.720
something's going to go wrong. Very
common in a lot of serial killers we

1455
01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:09.960
started here on this show, especially
these like early nineteen hundreds ones where people

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01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:13.119
were riding horses a lot more often, and you know all of that.

1457
01:50:13.720 --> 01:50:16.000
People get kicked in the head,
get thrown something like that, and it

1458
01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:23.279
causes lifelong problems. After that event, Quentin became temperamental and started savagely lashing

1459
01:50:23.319 --> 01:50:27.760
out, both verbally and physically against
servants who displeased him. A little bit

1460
01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:30.319
of a bathrooy going on there.
Yeah, A little bit of a fucking

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01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:34.520
spoiled rich kid going on here.
Other children were not spared Quentin's wrath either.

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01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:39.680
At age ten, Quentin was expelled
from a Dallas boarding school after stabbing

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01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:44.720
another student through the hand with a
pencil over an argument in class. Little

1464
01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:48.640
shit, Yeah, Quentin's impatient and
violent nature made it difficult for his parents

1465
01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:53.239
to keep him in any school,
so he ended up being educated at home

1466
01:50:53.279 --> 01:50:57.359
by private tutors. For most of
his young life, Quentin had a special

1467
01:50:57.439 --> 01:51:00.960
interest in anatomy. He would spend
hours worrying over various texts on the subject,

1468
01:51:01.279 --> 01:51:04.960
learning the ins and outs of how
the body functioned. It seemed to

1469
01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:10.119
be the only thing that he had
an attention span for. On multiple occasions,

1470
01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:14.000
he was caught dissecting roadkill that he
found along the highway, getting elbow

1471
01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:18.319
deep in the corpses of dead dogs
and cats learning their inner workings Jeffrey Dahmer

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01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:24.039
style. This combined with violent tendencies, should have been a warning sign of

1473
01:51:24.119 --> 01:51:27.439
Quentin's parents, but they didn't seem
to pay much attention to it at all.

1474
01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:30.239
They may have just been happy that
he found something that held his interest

1475
01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:33.359
and kept him out of trouble with
the servants, so instead of telling him

1476
01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:38.880
no, Quentin's parents would buy sheep, goats, and pigs and allow their

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01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:42.640
son to study them in a makeshift
laboratory that he put together in a barn

1478
01:51:42.720 --> 01:51:45.720
at the back of the families.
Two interred acres to line estate. This

1479
01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:49.640
is the absolute makings of a fucking
monster right here. You've got wealth and

1480
01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:56.279
privilege, You've got a head injury
causing problems with impulse control behavior, and

1481
01:51:56.359 --> 01:51:59.720
then on top of that, you
have a predilection for cruelty to animals.

1482
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:04.439
And instead of his parents saying,
you know, maybe nah, guy,

1483
01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:08.680
you know, they say, okay, cool, here's some more fucking animals

1484
01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:12.079
to vivisect. Have at it.
I don't know what they were thinking,

1485
01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:14.680
or if they were thinking at all, but it's more than likely that they

1486
01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:16.199
just didn't pay any attention to him, and he was just one of those

1487
01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:19.079
rich kids that was raised by the
servants. That's pretty fun to have,

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01:52:19.199 --> 01:52:24.479
don Yeah. In an interview with
The Sign of Gazette after Quail's misdeeds were

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01:52:24.520 --> 01:52:28.960
exposed to the world, a former
servant at the estate named Vera Beauregard said

1490
01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:32.279
the worst sounds would come from out
of that barn, shrieks and screams of

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01:52:32.319 --> 01:52:39.159
animals being tortured, sometimes for hours. Young Master Quail would emerge sometime after

1492
01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:44.520
the screeching stopped, wearing a butcher's
apron and a doctor's mask covered headed tone

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01:52:44.640 --> 01:52:47.800
blood. I understand that God put
the animals on the earth for men to

1494
01:52:47.880 --> 01:52:51.319
slaughter and eat. But whatever quinn
and Quail was doing in that barn was

1495
01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:56.640
against both God and nature. Imagine
how terrifying that would be to just see

1496
01:52:56.680 --> 01:53:01.199
a child, a child like coming
him blood, teenager in a doctor's mask

1497
01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:04.239
in an apron, fucking covered head
to toe and blood probably still has like

1498
01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:08.199
a gore covered scalpel in his hand, or some shit, just like going

1499
01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:13.039
out there to take a breather after
he cut a pig to pieces, Part

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01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:17.439
two, Murder in the Name of
Science. In twenty ten, the former

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01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:21.479
Quail estate was purchased by a land
developer who unearthed the bones of thirty four

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01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:27.840
men, women, and children,
all in various states of dismemberment. When

1503
01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:30.960
those corpses were carbon dated, it
was found that all of them were killed

1504
01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:33.760
between nineteen thirty six in nineteen forty, which means that they ended up dead

1505
01:53:33.800 --> 01:53:38.880
and buried on the property while Quinnin
was aged fourteen to eighteen and was residing

1506
01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:44.319
there. If Quinnin did in fact
kill all those people, that would make

1507
01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:48.520
him the youngest and one of those
prolific serial killers in history. Ron Austin,

1508
01:53:48.840 --> 01:53:53.640
author of the book Satanic Science The
Life and Crimes of A s quinnin

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01:53:53.680 --> 01:53:58.439
Quail. Dug into police records from
the time period, focusing on Salina and

1510
01:53:58.479 --> 01:54:02.720
its outlying areas and a few connections. At this time, the Great Depression

1511
01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:08.439
was in full swing and many people
found themselves jobless. Laborers would hang out

1512
01:54:08.479 --> 01:54:12.800
in supply stores, train depots,
and other areas of commerce looking for day

1513
01:54:12.840 --> 01:54:16.319
work. Sometimes these men would go
missing. No less than fifteen reports were

1514
01:54:16.359 --> 01:54:20.239
filed with authorities reporting that some of
these men were lasting, leaving the area

1515
01:54:20.279 --> 01:54:25.800
of the well dressed teenage boy.
Could that boy have been quinning Quail learning

1516
01:54:25.840 --> 01:54:29.600
men to their deaths with the promise
of day wages. Ron Austen thinks so.

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01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:33.279
And that's the bottom line. Apparently
because Ron Austin said Du Dudu.

1518
01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:39.800
Also, during the time period of
thirty six to forty five servants went missing

1519
01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:44.319
from the Quail estate. Families file
police reports, but no major investigation was

1520
01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:48.479
ever performed. Law enforcement just figured
that the servants found better work and moved

1521
01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:53.520
on. It also didn't help that
three of the five missing servants were people

1522
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:56.279
of color, and the police of
the time period were not known for their

1523
01:54:56.359 --> 01:55:00.560
racially progressive ideas. One of the
missing servants as a woman he would loosen

1524
01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:04.399
to May. Templeton vanished in May
of nineteen thirty eight, never to be

1525
01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:09.159
seen again. Templeton had a husband
and daughter who tried to go to the

1526
01:55:09.239 --> 01:55:13.520
authorities, and we're all but totally
ignored. When the bodies were discovered in

1527
01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:16.359
twenty ten, DNA tests were performed
on the corpses and one of the bodies

1528
01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:19.760
was deemed to be a definite match
to a woman who would have been Templeton's

1529
01:55:19.840 --> 01:55:26.720
great granddaughter. So it seems like
even if he's doing all of these things,

1530
01:55:26.840 --> 01:55:30.760
which when you've got bodies from that
time period in there, I mean,

1531
01:55:30.920 --> 01:55:32.520
unless his dad was doing it,
or some other servant or something,

1532
01:55:33.079 --> 01:55:39.039
you've got a fourteen year old boy
in the nineteen thirties who's already figured out

1533
01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:42.680
the concept of the less dead.
You know, he's praying on poor people,

1534
01:55:42.760 --> 01:55:45.239
he's praying on people of color.
He's paying only fucked up, he's

1535
01:55:45.239 --> 01:55:50.640
preying on people from the lower social
order because he knows. One, because

1536
01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:54.399
he's rich and white, he's going
to get away with this shit. And

1537
01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:57.000
two, no one's going to look
into it. A lot of parallels,

1538
01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:00.600
Like I said earlier, to Lady
Bathory that we covered in episode two of

1539
01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:02.840
season four, that you know she
started out when she was ten too,

1540
01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:08.479
Yeah, same age. It's like
a switch gets flipped. Yeah. Ron

1541
01:56:08.520 --> 01:56:12.479
Auston speculates it these missing servants got
curious about what was going on in Quail's

1542
01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:15.880
barn, learned a little too much
and ended up on his slab, Part

1543
01:56:16.079 --> 01:56:23.159
three, The Last Years. In
nineteen forty, at eighteen years of age,

1544
01:56:23.279 --> 01:56:26.439
Quil was drafted to serve in the
US Army. Not much is known

1545
01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:29.720
about his military career, except that
he was stationed in Britain, where he

1546
01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:32.960
worked in a military hospital, and
that he never saw combat like mini serial

1547
01:56:33.039 --> 01:56:36.800
killers in the Armed services. Yeah, and I don't know, you know,

1548
01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:41.399
I mean, if you there are
a few pictures of him out there.

1549
01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:44.479
He was not a large man.
I don't think he would have done

1550
01:56:44.479 --> 01:56:47.279
well in combat at all. I
think that as long as he can surprise

1551
01:56:47.399 --> 01:56:50.640
someone or however it was that he
was doing it, probably like poisoning them

1552
01:56:50.680 --> 01:56:56.079
or drugging them or something, he
can. Yeah. But there too,

1553
01:56:56.239 --> 01:57:02.159
Yeah, oh me travel across the
country ching along my feet. I'm guessing

1554
01:57:02.279 --> 01:57:06.960
that his daddy probably bought him that
position. The interesting thing about this time

1555
01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:12.119
in Quail's life is that its military
records almost entirely sealed, and all requests

1556
01:57:12.159 --> 01:57:15.760
made by authors and reporters for it
to be unsealed under the Freedom of Information

1557
01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:18.880
Act have been declined. This has
led to a great deal of speculation about

1558
01:57:18.920 --> 01:57:21.920
what a. S. Quinn and
Quail was really doing in World War Two.

1559
01:57:24.039 --> 01:57:27.399
One popular theory is that Quail was
a spy who went undercover to see

1560
01:57:27.439 --> 01:57:30.920
what Nazi scientists were up to.
Well, there's little evidence to back up

1561
01:57:30.920 --> 01:57:34.119
any of this. Quail did return
from its military service speaking fluent German.

1562
01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:40.720
If this theory has any truth to
it, wouldn't seem Nazi experimentation may have

1563
01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:46.159
influenced Quail's most notorious crimes. Another
theory espoused by true crime and conspiracy blogger

1564
01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:49.800
Matt Strain on his blog The Killer
Truth, is that Quail was not in

1565
01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:54.359
the army, but was secretly working
with the US government on the early stages

1566
01:57:54.359 --> 01:57:58.800
of the project that would eventually become
mk Ultra. I want to specify on

1567
01:57:58.920 --> 01:58:02.800
this one that Matt straight and is
absolutely fucking batshit insane. The only reason

1568
01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:05.760
I put it out there is because
it's kind of a popular theory among the

1569
01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:10.079
conspiracy people. But this is also
a guy who's like, all, you

1570
01:58:10.199 --> 01:58:14.119
know, like the government is run
by a cabal of Satanic pedophiles and shit

1571
01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:15.640
like that. So you can take
what he's saying with a grain of sauces.

1572
01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:19.560
Are you saying it's not I'm saying
they're probably pedophiles, but I doubt

1573
01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:24.000
they're Satanists. You know, for
our money, I'd rather have a Satanist

1574
01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:26.399
than a pedophile running the show.
Yeah, man, Satanists just want to

1575
01:58:26.439 --> 01:58:30.239
fucking eat a buffet. I don't
want your little kid. Stran claims to

1576
01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:34.000
have received documents and reports from the
time period that identify a researcher by the

1577
01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:40.800
designation as QQ, which he believes
stands for as Quinning Quail. The only

1578
01:58:40.840 --> 01:58:45.000
problem with this theory is about joining
the military. Quaila no graduate credentials and

1579
01:58:45.199 --> 01:58:47.800
is not likely that the government would
bring in an untrained, unqualified person to

1580
01:58:47.920 --> 01:58:54.359
do high level scientific research. Shran
refutes that, believing that the government doesn't

1581
01:58:54.359 --> 01:58:58.520
care about degrees or on terrifics when
it comes to top secret projects. They're

1582
01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:01.319
more interested in recruiting and tell people
with the right mindset and lack of moral

1583
01:59:01.359 --> 01:59:06.720
compass they can train however they see
fit Clay to mold Yeah, exactly.

1584
01:59:06.960 --> 01:59:12.119
For I mean, I guess,
I guess not everyone's capable of being a

1585
01:59:12.199 --> 01:59:15.119
mad scientist. So maybe if you
find someone that you think is capable and

1586
01:59:15.199 --> 01:59:19.000
intelligence enough to do that, it
does make sense to push them in that

1587
01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:24.720
direction. But I mean, science
ain't easy, you know, like like

1588
01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:28.840
real science. Yeah, you know, it takes an understanding of a certain

1589
01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:31.439
methodology. And I don't think what
Quail was doing in his barn in Texas

1590
01:59:31.520 --> 01:59:36.520
to sheep and possibly drifters it was
anything like a scientific method. Science is

1591
01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:45.840
all about killing drifters. I remember
that episode of Mister Wizard Build not the

1592
01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:53.079
drifter killer guy. Another popular and
slightly more plausible theory puts forth the idea

1593
01:59:53.119 --> 01:59:58.079
that Quail was simply continuing his lifelong
pattern of human experimentation, only this time

1594
01:59:58.239 --> 02:00:01.960
on wounded soldiers, and when he
got caught, the military decided to discharge

1595
02:00:02.079 --> 02:00:05.680
him and cover it up rather than
bring anything ugly to light a time when

1596
02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:10.960
so much of the world was already
in turmoil. It's similar to Jeffrey Dahmer's

1597
02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:14.000
time in the military, where he
was sexually assaulting people and they knew about

1598
02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:15.279
it, and they just sort of
brushed it unto the rug and sent him

1599
02:00:15.319 --> 02:00:18.520
away. Well, you know,
also, you know if the Nazi experimentation

1600
02:00:18.640 --> 02:00:21.039
and the rumors of that stuff,
they don't want it to seem like it's

1601
02:00:21.079 --> 02:00:24.239
on our side too. I know. That's one thing that you know,

1602
02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:28.079
think about these monsters, the Nazis
and the things they're doing. Are Americans

1603
02:00:28.159 --> 02:00:30.000
capable of that? We like to
think no, But we did bring all

1604
02:00:30.039 --> 02:00:33.680
those scientists over during operating paper Clip
after the war, so who the fuck

1605
02:00:33.760 --> 02:00:38.239
knows. Regardless of what he was
up to during the war, Quail was

1606
02:00:38.319 --> 02:00:43.439
honorably discharge in nineteen forty four and
returned home to Salina. During his time

1607
02:00:43.520 --> 02:00:46.560
overseas, Quail's mother had passed away
and his father's health was also ailing.

1608
02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:53.000
Quinn returned home to a much different
quality of life. Those families still own

1609
02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:57.560
their massive estate, their liquid funds
were dwindling, Much of the servant staff

1610
02:00:57.600 --> 02:01:00.680
had been let go, and Quinn
did not have a surplus money to throw

1611
02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:03.520
around his experiments anymore. Realized that
he was probably gonna have to go and

1612
02:01:03.560 --> 02:01:08.439
get a job, which is the
worst possible thing that can happen to someone

1613
02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:15.239
like him. Oh no, I
can't kill drifters anymore. Yeah, I'm

1614
02:01:15.239 --> 02:01:17.600
not gonna get paid for it.
Yeah. But as you will soon find,

1615
02:01:17.880 --> 02:01:21.880
this guy figured out a way to
take lemons and make lemonade. Drifter

1616
02:01:21.960 --> 02:01:30.239
or lemonade yeah, Part four of
maccabre Education. Quentin moved to Houston,

1617
02:01:30.319 --> 02:01:33.640
Texas to attend the University of Houston
before transferring to the Baylor College of Medicine.

1618
02:01:34.720 --> 02:01:39.079
In his second year of med school, Quentin's father died and Quentin opted

1619
02:01:39.079 --> 02:01:43.159
to liquidate his family's assets. This
allowed him enough money to live and focus

1620
02:01:43.239 --> 02:01:47.039
on his education. By all accounts, Quail was a dedicated student who showed

1621
02:01:47.039 --> 02:01:50.399
a preda natural knack for the subject
of medicine, excelled in all of his

1622
02:01:50.479 --> 02:01:56.279
studies, and showed signs of being
a promising surgeon. Doctor Raymond Hall,

1623
02:01:56.439 --> 02:02:00.960
one of Quail's college doormats, gave
an interview to the news program Ros Story

1624
02:02:00.199 --> 02:02:05.319
in nineteen eighty and painted a slightly
different picture. Quentin was a weird one.

1625
02:02:06.199 --> 02:02:12.159
Hall said he was intense, he
never went out, he never drank

1626
02:02:12.279 --> 02:02:15.279
or partied, He had no friends. Hell, I don't think I ever

1627
02:02:15.359 --> 02:02:18.600
saw the guy blink. He just
studied studied and studied. While other guys

1628
02:02:18.640 --> 02:02:21.840
were out of bars trying to meet
girls, Quail was at the morbu doing

1629
02:02:21.960 --> 02:02:28.119
god knows what Hall went on.
Quail could never keep a roommate. Some

1630
02:02:28.279 --> 02:02:30.560
poor shop would be assigned a bunk
with him, and within days they requests

1631
02:02:30.560 --> 02:02:35.199
a room transfer. Nobody ever shown
why, but people always came out of

1632
02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:39.680
the room. But people always came
out of room, and with them a

1633
02:02:39.760 --> 02:02:48.199
bit haunted. He thank you,
doctor. Now I'm gonna check your oil.

1634
02:02:49.399 --> 02:02:55.159
I'm a doctor and a mechanic,
and a barber and a horse trainer.

1635
02:02:56.800 --> 02:03:00.560
In their book American Frankenstein, Yes
quinnin Quail Story, author Belinda Brooks

1636
02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:04.840
notes that during Quail's time at Baylor, several police reports are filed regarding the

1637
02:03:04.920 --> 02:03:10.640
morgue being broken into and body parts
being stolen from corpses, along with the

1638
02:03:10.720 --> 02:03:15.479
theft of various items of medical equipment. After Quail's time at Baylor, the

1639
02:03:15.640 --> 02:03:19.319
morgue break ins and thefts all but
stopped, aside from the occasional isolated incident.

1640
02:03:19.960 --> 02:03:24.640
But then everything went to hell when
doctor Herbert West came in afterwards.

1641
02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:29.199
Oh god, he went to Baylor
too, That's very Herbert Wes esk of

1642
02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:32.399
hand in this little portion with the
roommates Kat dead. Details later, Yeah,

1643
02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:35.319
but that's I mean, imagine being
stuck in a real life version of

1644
02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:39.000
that. You know, it's funny
and reanimator when it happens. But like,

1645
02:03:39.960 --> 02:03:42.199
who the fuck knows what those guys
saw, you know, Like they

1646
02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:45.760
go to open a drawer and there's
a fucking severed human hand in there,

1647
02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:49.920
with the tendons being poked at or
something. It's terrifying. It's a hard

1648
02:03:49.960 --> 02:03:55.159
way to live. In nineteen fifty
two, Quail moved to Willows County,

1649
02:03:55.199 --> 02:03:59.760
Texas to do his internship at the
Willows Psychiatric Hospital, also known as We

1650
02:04:00.039 --> 02:04:04.079
Being Willows. The hospital is an
imposing sight to behold. Originally built as

1651
02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:09.159
a tuberculous hospital for the wealthy,
the architects designed the place to look like

1652
02:04:09.239 --> 02:04:13.680
a castle so that their rich clientele
could recover or spend their final days being

1653
02:04:13.760 --> 02:04:17.840
treated like kings and queens. Oh
how fucking sweet and touching. Over the

1654
02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:23.119
years, the building fell into disrepair
and the woods surrounding it became overgrown,

1655
02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:26.720
making it look more like the Gothic
home of a vampire than a place for

1656
02:04:26.840 --> 02:04:30.920
rest and recuperation. My Grandma had
tuberculous to ever tell you that. No,

1657
02:04:30.079 --> 02:04:32.840
she had to go to the Santa
Tarian for really, and she survived

1658
02:04:32.880 --> 02:04:35.399
in those days. Yeah, she
survived it. She was a little off

1659
02:04:35.439 --> 02:04:38.680
though, Yeah, yeah, you
know she caught the crazy in there.

1660
02:04:38.720 --> 02:04:42.840
If the crazy was always there.
But my but the crazy is probably already

1661
02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:45.920
there because my other aunts sees people. They're looking at her, jacking off

1662
02:04:45.960 --> 02:04:49.199
in the windows constantly and all this
weird shit. So, wow, what

1663
02:04:49.319 --> 02:04:53.520
I got a little bit of crazy
in the family. What they're interdimensional jackers?

1664
02:04:55.439 --> 02:04:58.039
What if it's Yeah, they're just
on a different plane of existence.

1665
02:04:58.039 --> 02:05:00.800
They don't even know they're being watched. No, the pervert, goddamn it,

1666
02:05:01.359 --> 02:05:08.039
you interdimensional pervert. It's rumored that
even before Quila arrived there Willows was

1667
02:05:08.079 --> 02:05:12.279
a veritable house of horrors, with
mental patients allowed to wander the halls freely,

1668
02:05:12.560 --> 02:05:16.640
often dirty and unclothed, with the
maniacs who resided within the stone walls

1669
02:05:16.680 --> 02:05:21.720
allowed to rape, mame and murder
with impunity, unsupervised by any kind of

1670
02:05:21.800 --> 02:05:28.079
carrying staff. Because of this dark
reputation, the locals refer to the place

1671
02:05:28.079 --> 02:05:31.479
as Weeping Willows. It's likely that
this is all urban legend. However,

1672
02:05:31.880 --> 02:05:36.199
according to several state and federal reports
of the time, Willows was an exemplary

1673
02:05:36.279 --> 02:05:41.920
facility with the diligent staff and the
highest standards of care. I mean,

1674
02:05:42.119 --> 02:05:45.520
imagine you've got this place kind of
on the outskirts of town that looks like

1675
02:05:45.600 --> 02:05:49.000
a dilapidated old castle with an overgrown
woods next to it. I mean,

1676
02:05:49.119 --> 02:05:51.680
of course you're going to and it's
a mental hospital, you know. Of

1677
02:05:51.760 --> 02:05:55.479
course people are going to say,
oh, that's a place where patients are

1678
02:05:55.520 --> 02:05:59.720
getting murdered and tortured and allowed to
roam free. Likes. It's ample fodder

1679
02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:03.079
for you know, for horror stories, for urban legends. Yeah, but

1680
02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:06.680
you know, with those examplar reports, you know, who knows. You

1681
02:06:06.760 --> 02:06:10.520
know, they could also just be
that those reports were getting forged because people

1682
02:06:10.560 --> 02:06:13.840
were lazy. But you know,
I just kind of wanted to make sure

1683
02:06:13.920 --> 02:06:15.840
that that both of those sides got
thrown in there, because I don't want

1684
02:06:15.840 --> 02:06:19.479
to completely throw the people who round
that place under the bus. What's not

1685
02:06:19.600 --> 02:06:25.079
disputed is that when Squint and Quail
arrived at the Willows County Psychiatric Hospital,

1686
02:06:25.479 --> 02:06:33.520
horror followed Part five Diseased Minds and
Mangled bodies. Quail initially did his best

1687
02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:36.840
to keep a low profile at Willows. He did it as he was told,

1688
02:06:38.079 --> 02:06:41.640
focused on his work, and never
rocked the boat. Who was that

1689
02:06:41.720 --> 02:06:45.159
Willows that Quill struck up an unlikely
relationship with an orderly named Earle Firefly.

1690
02:06:46.399 --> 02:06:50.920
Earle was a hulking man that,
though not entirely simply minded, was not

1691
02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:55.600
what one might call the sharpest tool
in the shed, who was not a

1692
02:06:55.640 --> 02:06:59.039
planner a forward thinker in any manner. But he's one of those people that,

1693
02:06:59.239 --> 02:07:01.960
when given clear instructions, could follow
them to the letter every single time.

1694
02:07:02.600 --> 02:07:08.039
Basically, he was perfect henchman material. Yeah, this is an alpha

1695
02:07:08.079 --> 02:07:13.319
goon right here. Quail integrated himself
to Earl and dug into the man's life.

1696
02:07:13.600 --> 02:07:15.760
He discovered that Earl lived with his
father, Hugo, on a derelict

1697
02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:20.439
farm on the outskirts of a nearby
town of Rugsville. Hugo as a bootlayer

1698
02:07:20.520 --> 02:07:25.760
during prohibition and use that farm as
a front for his operation. After a

1699
02:07:25.800 --> 02:07:29.880
prohibition, Hugo and Earl tried to
work the farm legitimately, but did not

1700
02:07:30.079 --> 02:07:34.039
have a lot of success. The
farm had fallen into total disuse after Hugo

1701
02:07:34.119 --> 02:07:39.119
injured his back and could no longer
work. The land bank records from the

1702
02:07:39.159 --> 02:07:43.079
time indicate that the farm was about
to be before closed upon when all of

1703
02:07:43.159 --> 02:07:46.479
Hugo and Earl's debts were suddenly paid
off. The name on the check that

1704
02:07:46.560 --> 02:07:53.960
paid the bill was as Quintin Quail. So Quentin is at a very dangerous

1705
02:07:54.079 --> 02:07:59.079
stage in his life at this point, because he's still a psychopath. He

1706
02:07:59.239 --> 02:08:03.359
still wants to do horrible things to
people, but he has learned patience,

1707
02:08:03.039 --> 02:08:07.199
and he has learned to virtue.
Yeah, and he's learned how to manipulate

1708
02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:11.000
people, and he still has you
know, like when when his father was

1709
02:08:11.039 --> 02:08:15.199
ailing and his mother was dying,
to say that they didn't have the same

1710
02:08:15.279 --> 02:08:18.479
opulence they had before. That's like
saying, you know, oh, we

1711
02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:20.000
have to give up our house and
the Hamptons were so poor, you know

1712
02:08:20.159 --> 02:08:24.359
something like that. You know,
as a single guy who had his parents'

1713
02:08:24.399 --> 02:08:28.640
liquid assets, he was able to
do what he wanted with the money and

1714
02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:33.000
basically buy the loyalty of these people. And you know, when you've got

1715
02:08:33.119 --> 02:08:37.680
kind of simple people who are also
a little bit kind of morally ambiguous and

1716
02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:39.840
you do them a huge favor like
that, like either they're going to totally

1717
02:08:39.880 --> 02:08:45.319
take advantage of you or you've got
them. Yeah, like you've got they're

1718
02:08:45.359 --> 02:08:48.079
your people. Yeah, they're your
goon squad. Believe it or not,

1719
02:08:48.279 --> 02:08:54.119
it's planned b for this family to
be someone's goon squad. This is where

1720
02:08:54.119 --> 02:08:58.079
the timeline gets a little murky and
speculation starts to obscure things. Before we

1721
02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:01.279
get into the wild theories too much, it's important to lay out a timeline

1722
02:09:01.319 --> 02:09:05.720
of documented events that we know took
place. So this is the concrete stuff

1723
02:09:05.760 --> 02:09:09.079
that records actually back up happening.
None of this, as far as I

1724
02:09:09.199 --> 02:09:13.279
know, based on the sources that
I gathered the information from, is speculation.

1725
02:09:15.279 --> 02:09:20.319
March eighth, nineteen fifty three,
a truck bringing new surgical equipment to

1726
02:09:20.399 --> 02:09:24.479
Saint Barnabas Hospital in Deacon Hill,
Texas, is hijacked by three maps men.

1727
02:09:24.319 --> 02:09:28.840
According to the police report, the
hijacker giving the orders is a small,

1728
02:09:28.960 --> 02:09:33.319
potbellied man with a noticeable with a
noticeable limp, who complains about his

1729
02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:37.239
back when he tries to get into
the truck. The second hijacker is a

1730
02:09:37.319 --> 02:09:43.119
large man who says nothing and only
takes orders. The third hijacker is described

1731
02:09:43.159 --> 02:09:46.880
as being a man of strong build
whose foul mouth and smells of fried chicken.

1732
02:09:50.720 --> 02:09:56.159
Odd detail, they're so specific.
Yeah, he was robbing me and

1733
02:09:56.319 --> 02:10:03.800
he smelled like chicken. March twelfth, nineteen fifty three, the hijack truck

1734
02:10:03.920 --> 02:10:07.880
is found in a ravine on the
outskirts of Rugsville, Texas. The medical

1735
02:10:07.960 --> 02:10:13.479
equipment that it was transporting is still
missing. April eighth, nineteen fifty three,

1736
02:10:13.079 --> 02:10:18.159
two patients from the Willows County Psychiatric
Hospital named Joseph Carradine and Milton Hicks

1737
02:10:18.279 --> 02:10:24.760
go missing. Their disappearance is initially
reported as a breakout. A three day

1738
02:10:24.800 --> 02:10:28.000
all points bulletin is put in place
for the two missing men, but they

1739
02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:33.680
are not found. April twenty fourth, nineteen fifty three, a local outlaw

1740
02:10:33.800 --> 02:10:37.039
named Johnny Lee Johns is arrested for
the March twelfth hijacking. Will plead not

1741
02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:41.520
guilty of the charges brought against him, but will eventually be sentenced to ten

1742
02:10:41.600 --> 02:10:45.279
years in prison, of which he'll
serve five. He never gives up the

1743
02:10:45.399 --> 02:10:50.239
names of his accomplices. May fourth, nineteen fifty three, two more patients

1744
02:10:50.399 --> 02:10:56.159
named Rutger Bright and Gus Herring go
missing from Willows Once again chopped out to

1745
02:10:56.199 --> 02:11:00.920
an escape. Hospital administration notes that
both escapes took place when the same three

1746
02:11:01.039 --> 02:11:05.920
orderlies were in charge of the floor, Bobby Miller, Hector Chavez, an

1747
02:11:05.000 --> 02:11:11.039
Earl firefly. The three orderlies are
questioned by police and an inquiry is made

1748
02:11:11.039 --> 02:11:13.960
by the administrators, but nothing comes
out of it. The three orderlies are

1749
02:11:15.000 --> 02:11:18.000
split up and moved to different shifts. So they're assuming at this point that

1750
02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:24.159
one of these three orderlies is doing
either something negligent or something intentional to allow

1751
02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:28.359
these people to break out. We
didn't know that their nicknames were Larry,

1752
02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:35.479
Curle and Moe. June nineteenth,
nineteen fifty three, three local teenagers are

1753
02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:41.920
arrested for trespassing on the grounds off
Willows County Psychiatric Hospital. According to the

1754
02:11:41.960 --> 02:11:45.680
police report, the boys were dared
by friends to run across the hospital grounds

1755
02:11:45.720 --> 02:11:48.359
and the Dead and Knight, a
common game played by the local teenagers at

1756
02:11:48.399 --> 02:11:54.079
the time. The reports stated that
the boys seemed shaken up by something and

1757
02:11:54.199 --> 02:11:58.039
that they heard scary sounds like moaning
coming from an abandoned building near the far

1758
02:11:58.159 --> 02:12:03.920
southern corner the grounds. The police
disregard what the teenagers had to say,

1759
02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:09.520
believing that they're trying to deflect from
their own misdeeds. July eighth, nineteen

1760
02:12:09.600 --> 02:12:15.000
fifty three, a Willow security guard
named Frederick James goes missing. His wife

1761
02:12:15.039 --> 02:12:18.199
reports that he left home to work
as night shift, but he never returned.

1762
02:12:18.199 --> 02:12:20.840
There's a record of him clocking in
when he goes to work, but

1763
02:12:22.039 --> 02:12:28.119
never clocking out. August twelfth,
nineteen fifty three, another patient, rous

1764
02:12:28.159 --> 02:12:31.840
Zamora, goes missing from Willows.
This time a patient report sings Zamora being

1765
02:12:31.880 --> 02:12:37.239
walked down a hall by Earl Firefly
at around one thirty am, long after

1766
02:12:37.319 --> 02:12:41.560
the patients would have been put to
bed. Earl was not assigned to work

1767
02:12:41.640 --> 02:12:45.319
the night shift. The police look
into it, but Earl de Knight's being

1768
02:12:45.359 --> 02:12:48.079
there that night. His father,
Hugo, offers an alibi to the police,

1769
02:12:48.359 --> 02:12:52.399
stating that Earl was home with him
the whole night. The police conclude

1770
02:12:52.399 --> 02:12:56.239
their report by stating that they believe
Earl's alibi and that the mentally ill witness

1771
02:12:56.399 --> 02:13:01.119
was probably hallucinating. So they've got
a total lead going on here. But

1772
02:13:01.199 --> 02:13:03.119
they're like, ah, you know, we're gonna we're just gonna ignore this

1773
02:13:03.159 --> 02:13:07.800
person because they're in a mental hospital. What Curly he was home. Yeah,

1774
02:13:07.960 --> 02:13:09.359
yeah, he was here. I
was drunk. He was here with

1775
02:13:09.520 --> 02:13:13.239
me. He was drunk too.
I didn't I didn't put it in there.

1776
02:13:13.960 --> 02:13:16.079
I don't know why I didn't put
it in there. But like the

1777
02:13:16.159 --> 02:13:20.880
text of the police report is funny
because Earl's dad, Hugo, is like,

1778
02:13:20.399 --> 02:13:22.520
yeah, I had the chili shit
that he owes me off in the

1779
02:13:22.600 --> 02:13:26.119
yard, Like that's what he tells
the cops. So I guess that's like

1780
02:13:26.199 --> 02:13:28.439
the whole thing. Like when you
call in sick and your boss is like,

1781
02:13:28.479 --> 02:13:31.399
are you're really sick, and you're
like, yeah, I've got diarrhea,

1782
02:13:31.479 --> 02:13:35.439
and that ends the conversation right there. It's probably just the crime cover

1783
02:13:35.560 --> 02:13:39.640
up version of that. You're playing
YouTube video sounds of diarrhea sounds in the

1784
02:13:39.680 --> 02:13:43.319
background while you're calling in sick,
the terrible movie sound effect from postmortem.

1785
02:13:45.720 --> 02:13:48.239
Guys call in my work all the
time, and the excuses I think I

1786
02:13:48.520 --> 02:13:52.600
ate something bad, Yeah, food
poisoning or something like that, because you're

1787
02:13:52.600 --> 02:13:58.399
instantly better than next day and it's
convenient. Looks Agus eighteenth, nineteen fifty

1788
02:13:58.479 --> 02:14:03.840
three, a local teenager, Ruthie
Ames, is reported missing. According to

1789
02:14:03.920 --> 02:14:07.439
her friend who spoke to the police. Selma Smit's Ruthie was dared by her

1790
02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:11.920
friends to run across the Willow's Grounds
by herself at night. Not advisable toime,

1791
02:14:11.079 --> 02:14:15.119
No, not at all. But
you know, like this is this

1792
02:14:15.279 --> 02:14:18.760
is a game that the local teenagers
play all the time. And for the

1793
02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:22.279
most part, if you're doing it
in the dead of night, the patients

1794
02:14:22.319 --> 02:14:24.079
are in their rooms locked up,
so it's totally safe. It's just like

1795
02:14:24.159 --> 02:14:26.600
a headfuck, like, oh,
go knock on the haunted house door at

1796
02:14:26.680 --> 02:14:30.199
night. You know, like kids
have been doing it for ages and coming

1797
02:14:30.239 --> 02:14:33.319
back safe. So you know,
she probably had no reason to believe that

1798
02:14:33.359 --> 02:14:37.119
she wouldn't. August nineteenth, nineteen
fifty three, es quint and Quill unexpectedly

1799
02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:41.960
and immediately resigns from his internship at
Willows. That same night, a fire

1800
02:14:43.039 --> 02:14:46.039
breaks out in the abandoned building on
the south side of the Willow's Grounds.

1801
02:14:46.640 --> 02:14:50.600
The building is consumed quickly, as
if an accelerant was used. Firefighters make

1802
02:14:50.640 --> 02:14:56.239
two discoveries in the rubble left behind. Number one, someone had set up

1803
02:14:56.279 --> 02:15:01.319
the place a makeshift surgery room using
medical equipment that later identified as a gear

1804
02:15:01.399 --> 02:15:05.800
that was stolen in the March eighth
truck hijacking number two. More gruesomely,

1805
02:15:07.520 --> 02:15:11.680
the firefighters discovered the charred remains of
seven individuals in various states of dismemberment.

1806
02:15:13.680 --> 02:15:18.399
General records later identify him as the
five missing patients, security guard Frederick James,

1807
02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:22.520
and Ruthie Ames. This is where
Quail fucked up. He killed a

1808
02:15:22.560 --> 02:15:26.920
white teenager, Yeah, winning against
his own rule. Yeah, the security

1809
02:15:26.960 --> 02:15:30.840
guard. I didn't mention it,
but like the security guard was also a

1810
02:15:30.920 --> 02:15:33.600
black man, so you know,
like they're going to kind of look into

1811
02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:35.760
it. But like then the cops
are gonna be like, oh, yeah,

1812
02:15:35.840 --> 02:15:39.079
you know whatever, we're fucking we're
fucking honky, asked Texas cops nineteen

1813
02:15:39.159 --> 02:15:43.680
fifties Texas, like rural Texas.
So, yeah, but you kill a

1814
02:15:43.760 --> 02:15:48.560
white teenager who a white female teenager
named named Ruthie. But I think Quail

1815
02:15:48.680 --> 02:15:52.439
knew he fucked up at that point. That's why he resigned. Yeah,

1816
02:15:52.439 --> 02:15:56.439
that's why he bailed. August twentieth, nineteen fifty three. Some of Smith's

1817
02:15:56.479 --> 02:16:00.880
confesses to her sister, Jean Smiths
that she was actually with Ruthiemes trespassing on

1818
02:16:00.960 --> 02:16:05.159
the Willows grounds on the night of
August seventeenth, she didn't admit anything to

1819
02:16:05.239 --> 02:16:07.880
police because she didn't want to get
into trouble. Someone tells Jean that she

1820
02:16:09.000 --> 02:16:11.920
and Ruthie heard the sounds are drilling
and moaning coming from an abandoned building at

1821
02:16:11.960 --> 02:16:16.720
the far end of the grounds.
They then went to investigate. I hear

1822
02:16:16.880 --> 02:16:20.720
drilling and moaning sounds from an abandoned
building. From an abandoned building on a

1823
02:16:20.840 --> 02:16:31.399
mental hospital. Let's see what it
is. Someone there. They probably tripped

1824
02:16:31.439 --> 02:16:33.159
her or three times in the way
there, tore their shirt. Yeah,

1825
02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:39.440
Ruthie peeked through the slats of a
boarded up window and saw something that made

1826
02:16:39.479 --> 02:16:43.399
her scream. The two girls took
off running and were chased by two men.

1827
02:16:43.920 --> 02:16:46.239
One of them grabbed Ruthie and dragged
her off. Someone was able to

1828
02:16:46.239 --> 02:16:50.399
scramble over the fence and escape.
That's gotta be fucking terrifying. Though some

1829
02:16:50.520 --> 02:16:54.559
of us wears her sister to secrecy, but Geane is not about to keep

1830
02:16:54.600 --> 02:16:58.719
the secret. She tells Ruthie's sister, Rebecca, and Rebecca immediately goes to

1831
02:16:58.760 --> 02:17:03.399
her father. Victor aims with the
story, and Victor Ames is a dude

1832
02:17:03.399 --> 02:17:07.719
who gets shit done. August twenty
fourth, nineteen fifty three, please start

1833
02:17:07.760 --> 02:17:11.479
connecting dots and realize that since he
resigned from his position the same day that

1834
02:17:11.520 --> 02:17:16.479
the fire broke out, as Quinn
and Quail was probably a person of interest.

1835
02:17:16.120 --> 02:17:20.479
It took him fucking three days figured
out the dirt, dirt dirt.

1836
02:17:22.559 --> 02:17:26.879
They then begin to search Willow's County
for him, though through unknown means.

1837
02:17:26.280 --> 02:17:30.719
Victor Ames gets the word that Quail
might have some involvement in the disappearance of

1838
02:17:30.760 --> 02:17:33.840
his daughter. He assembles his own
posse of drinking buddies to help him search

1839
02:17:33.920 --> 02:17:39.440
for Quail. And no one finds
shit faster than a bunch of drunk Texas

1840
02:17:39.559 --> 02:17:46.559
vigilantes. Yeah, and can often
lead to tragedy and listen. August twenty

1841
02:17:46.600 --> 02:17:50.440
seven, nineteen fifty three, Victor
Ames gets word that Quinn Quail has left

1842
02:17:50.479 --> 02:17:54.159
Willow's County and is hiding out in
a hotel in the neighboring town of Rugsville.

1843
02:17:56.360 --> 02:17:58.840
Instead of notifying the police, Ames
and his gang go to Rugsville themselves.

1844
02:18:00.559 --> 02:18:03.879
They burst into quails hotel room,
put a bag over his head to

1845
02:18:03.959 --> 02:18:07.479
throw him in the back of the
truck. They drive him to the outskirts

1846
02:18:07.520 --> 02:18:11.399
of town for a little vigilante justice, The gang hangs Quail from a tree

1847
02:18:11.440 --> 02:18:16.200
by his neck and leaves him there
for dead. August twenty eighth, nineteen

1848
02:18:16.239 --> 02:18:20.719
fifty three, a member the Ames
vigilanti mob has a crisis of conscience and

1849
02:18:20.840 --> 02:18:24.879
goes to the police with the story
of what happened to Quail the night before.

1850
02:18:24.920 --> 02:18:28.440
The police and Willows that formed the
Rugsville Police that there might be a

1851
02:18:28.520 --> 02:18:31.840
dead man in the woods, and
Ruggsville p D goes to investigate and finds

1852
02:18:31.879 --> 02:18:35.520
a hanging tree with a cutoff rope
tied to a branch, but no body.

1853
02:18:37.079 --> 02:18:41.040
The body, in fact, is
never found. With no body,

1854
02:18:41.319 --> 02:18:43.520
the police feel that there's no actual
crime to charge anyone with, and the

1855
02:18:43.639 --> 02:18:48.639
vigilanti gang organized by Victor Ames,
is never investigated. These guys are literally

1856
02:18:48.680 --> 02:18:50.680
like, hey, we killed a
guy, and they're like, yeah,

1857
02:18:50.719 --> 02:18:56.920
but there's no body and there's beer
over there, so nobody no cris exactly.

1858
02:18:56.680 --> 02:19:01.360
This is, you know, nineteen
fifty Texas justice. I'm sure there

1859
02:19:01.399 --> 02:19:05.040
were probably some cops in that mob. You know, that's just me assuming,

1860
02:19:05.120 --> 02:19:07.959
but it seems like the kind of
thing that would happen present day.

1861
02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:11.440
S Quinn and Quail has never heard
from again. Officially, at least,

1862
02:19:13.639 --> 02:19:16.879
those are the facts as we know. But what actually happened in Willows County

1863
02:19:16.920 --> 02:19:20.719
in nearby Rugsville, Texas in the
spring and summer of nineteen fifty three There

1864
02:19:20.760 --> 02:19:26.319
are as many theories as there are
unanswered questions. Part five. Death of

1865
02:19:26.399 --> 02:19:31.200
a man, Birth of a legend. Nobody living knows what truly happened in

1866
02:19:31.239 --> 02:19:35.239
the makeshift lab set up by s
Quinn and Quail at the Willows Psychiatric Hospital.

1867
02:19:37.159 --> 02:19:39.440
While the mountain of evidence is circumstantial
at best, it's hard to ignore

1868
02:19:39.479 --> 02:19:45.760
all the pieces when you put them
together. Quail was definitely disturbed violent child.

1869
02:19:46.360 --> 02:19:48.879
Thirty four bodies were placed in thirty
four unmarked graves at the Quail estate

1870
02:19:48.959 --> 02:19:54.280
when Quinn was living there, he
departed suddenly from his internship at Willows.

1871
02:19:56.159 --> 02:19:58.959
This departure was followed by the immediate
burning of abandoned building, where there remain

1872
02:20:00.040 --> 02:20:03.959
into seven dismembered bodies and a bunch
of stolen medical equipment were left behind.

1873
02:20:05.280 --> 02:20:07.000
Whether or not any of this would
be enough evidence to convict Quail of a

1874
02:20:07.040 --> 02:20:11.040
crime would ultimately depend on the skill
of the attorney's prosecuting and defending him.

1875
02:20:13.120 --> 02:20:16.319
Go ahead, I'll say in a
minute, and the minds of the jury

1876
02:20:16.360 --> 02:20:20.719
who judged him, just picture his
judge as John Lovetts, like, so

1877
02:20:20.879 --> 02:20:28.159
you've got bodies and it was burned
coincidence? Maybe I picture him as a

1878
02:20:28.239 --> 02:20:33.559
judge from nothing but trouble, dan
Ack, writer of his notes Fallen Off.

1879
02:20:33.719 --> 02:20:37.280
I mean, who hasn't burned a
building full of corpses at least once

1880
02:20:37.319 --> 02:20:39.959
in their life? We will never
face a court date, however, a

1881
02:20:41.079 --> 02:20:45.760
vigilanting mob s out of that.
All that's left are urban legends and their

1882
02:20:45.799 --> 02:20:48.959
personal opinions of a small group of
dedicated true crime researchers who've tried to put

1883
02:20:50.000 --> 02:20:52.799
the pieces together and make some semblance
of sense out of all of this.

1884
02:20:54.399 --> 02:20:58.520
The urban legend of s Quinn and
Quail remains so largely regional, whispered among

1885
02:20:58.600 --> 02:21:01.680
those who live in Willows County and
Ruggsville, Texas. In the folk story,

1886
02:21:03.280 --> 02:21:07.200
Quail was a mad surgeon trying to
build an army of superhumans by surgically

1887
02:21:07.200 --> 02:21:11.120
augmenting the bodies and the minds of
the patients that will is psychiatric. This

1888
02:21:11.239 --> 02:21:16.719
story depicts Quail as a raving mad
scientist ben on world domination, who stopped

1889
02:21:16.760 --> 02:21:20.600
by a group of heroic good guys
with guns. It's like he and Earl

1890
02:21:20.680 --> 02:21:24.079
were pinky in the brain. All
this makes for a great horror story,

1891
02:21:24.399 --> 02:21:26.840
but like any good horror story,
this one ends with a twist. Some

1892
02:21:28.040 --> 02:21:31.360
believed that Quail was too evil to
die. He escaped his bonds and fled

1893
02:21:31.440 --> 02:21:37.440
to the Firefly Farm, where he
continued his experiments on drifters and unweary travelers

1894
02:21:37.479 --> 02:21:41.399
who strayed too far off of the
beaten path. Some even out of a

1895
02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:45.719
supernatural blend to the story, claiming
that Quail sold his soul to the devil

1896
02:21:46.040 --> 02:21:50.200
and in his final moments and returned
as a revenant being or perhaps even a

1897
02:21:50.319 --> 02:21:54.200
demon, that this version of the
mad Doctor was imbued with powers that allowed

1898
02:21:54.280 --> 02:21:58.719
him to turn corpses into the walking
dead. Of course, most of this

1899
02:21:58.799 --> 02:22:03.479
is just camp fire tales, but
every good legend has a colonel of truth

1900
02:22:03.559 --> 02:22:07.360
in it, depending on who you
ask, Some believed that Quail's story did

1901
02:22:07.440 --> 02:22:09.879
not end to the Hanging Tree on
August twenty seventh, nineteen fifty three.

1902
02:22:11.680 --> 02:22:15.479
They even claim that there's evidence to
back this up. The farm owned by

1903
02:22:15.600 --> 02:22:18.959
Hugo and Earl Firefly has a bit
of as sordid history. After the quail

1904
02:22:20.000 --> 02:22:24.120
incident, Earl was fired from his
job at Willows. The police declined to

1905
02:22:24.120 --> 02:22:26.239
pressing he charges against him for lack
of evidence, but he and his father

1906
02:22:26.319 --> 02:22:31.000
became social outcast and rarely left the
farm. After that, Earl did manage

1907
02:22:31.000 --> 02:22:37.159
to find a wife, a local
prostitute named Gloria Teasdale. He adopted her

1908
02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:39.440
son r J. And then two
had a second child named Matthew, who

1909
02:22:39.520 --> 02:22:45.760
was born with pituitary gland disorder that
caused gigantism. When their son was eight

1910
02:22:45.840 --> 02:22:48.920
years old, Earl had a mental
breakdown, leaving that a son was a

1911
02:22:48.040 --> 02:22:52.879
demon and tried to burn him alive. Matthew survived, but lived out the

1912
02:22:52.959 --> 02:22:56.440
rest of his days covered in burn
scars. Earl, however, disappeared.

1913
02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:01.120
Gloria told the police that her husband
had run off, but no sign of

1914
02:23:01.200 --> 02:23:05.920
him was ever found. Gloria remained
at the farm with her children to take

1915
02:23:05.959 --> 02:23:09.520
care of her elderly father in law. She soon hooked up with Johnny Lee

1916
02:23:09.639 --> 02:23:15.319
Johns, who returned to Rugsville after
serving his present sentence. The fleeting was

1917
02:23:15.360 --> 02:23:18.959
brief, but produced a daughter named
Vera Ellen, a homicidal drifter on the

1918
02:23:20.079 --> 02:23:22.840
lamb from the police named Otis Driftwood
also took up residence at the farm in

1919
02:23:24.000 --> 02:23:28.120
nineteen seventies, becoming an adopted member
of the Strange family that lived there in

1920
02:23:28.239 --> 02:23:33.200
October. In nineteen seventy seven,
a group of college students traveling through Ruggsville

1921
02:23:33.239 --> 02:23:37.360
in a road trip vanish. Their
last known whereabouts were Johnny Lee John's gas

1922
02:23:37.399 --> 02:23:39.959
station, where he told them about
the legend of es Quinn and Quail and

1923
02:23:41.079 --> 02:23:46.440
the supposedly haunted tree that he was
hanged from. While investigating the disappearance,

1924
02:23:46.639 --> 02:23:50.920
two police deputies, George Wydell and
stephen Naish, went to the farm to

1925
02:23:50.959 --> 02:23:54.920
see if the denizens had seen them. The two deputies were never heard from

1926
02:23:54.959 --> 02:24:00.440
again. This led w Wydell's older
brother Sheriff John Quincy Widelle, to bring

1927
02:24:00.520 --> 02:24:03.200
a posse a Deppees to the farm, resulting in a bloody shootout that led

1928
02:24:03.239 --> 02:24:07.159
to the death of Glorious Suns,
possibly the death of Hugo, and the

1929
02:24:07.239 --> 02:24:11.239
farm being burnt to the ground.
Of the process, Glorias survived, was

1930
02:24:11.360 --> 02:24:18.319
arrested and ended up mysteriously dying in
jail by being mysteriously stabbed by someone.

1931
02:24:18.399 --> 02:24:24.159
Even though the only other person there
was John Quincy Whitel and Vera Ellen and

1932
02:24:24.440 --> 02:24:28.760
Otis and Johnny Lee Johns ended up
going on the lamb And that's a whole

1933
02:24:28.959 --> 02:24:31.000
other fucking story. Yeah, we
might get to that in another house.

1934
02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:35.040
Special that one. It needs to
be examined all on its own, because

1935
02:24:35.040 --> 02:24:39.120
there's some weird shit that those that
got into. In the wreckage of the

1936
02:24:39.200 --> 02:24:45.040
farm, a network of underground tunnels
and chambers were discovered. All throughout were

1937
02:24:45.040 --> 02:24:48.040
the corpses of an unknown number of
people. Some believe the remains of upwards

1938
02:24:48.079 --> 02:24:52.159
to a thousand people may have been
hidden in those catacombs, though it's unclear

1939
02:24:52.200 --> 02:24:56.120
how many of them died in the
tunnels or if the bodies were brought there

1940
02:24:56.200 --> 02:25:01.200
from other places. There were a
lot of grave robbings in Rugsville over this

1941
02:25:01.360 --> 02:25:05.239
time period that will always that went
unsolved. So it kind of stands to

1942
02:25:05.360 --> 02:25:09.559
reason that if these weirdos have a
bunch of dead people in the tunnels under

1943
02:25:09.600 --> 02:25:13.399
their farm, some of them probably
came from those grave robbings. Among the

1944
02:25:13.520 --> 02:25:18.399
dead was a single survivor, an
unidentified elderly man who appeared to have several

1945
02:25:18.520 --> 02:25:24.479
bizarre surgical augmentations. To his body. The man was not able to talk

1946
02:25:24.680 --> 02:25:28.680
due to smoke inhalation, he had
no teeth, and his fingerprints had been

1947
02:25:28.719 --> 02:25:33.799
long burned off Yarially, he was
found in the middle of what appeared to

1948
02:25:33.920 --> 02:25:37.479
be a makeshift medical lab, surrounded
by the bodies of several people in various

1949
02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:43.079
states of dismemberment. The unidentified man
died of smoke inhalation when taken to the

1950
02:25:43.159 --> 02:25:46.959
hospital, but not before he managed
to rip a erse his throat out with

1951
02:25:48.040 --> 02:25:52.680
his bare hands. According to urban
legend, that man was all that was

1952
02:25:52.840 --> 02:25:56.600
left of a s Quinny Quail,
but perhaps you know him by his other

1953
02:25:56.040 --> 02:26:05.559
more famous name. Doctors Saydan And
that's it for the second annual True Crime

1954
02:26:05.600 --> 02:26:13.079
Horror Story Halloween Special as Quinn and
Quail America's Doctor Frankenstein or Doctor Satan.

1955
02:26:13.239 --> 02:26:18.399
Yes, it was definitely someone who
knew how to night. Yes, definitely,

1956
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and thank you patrons for all your
support. We hope you enjoyed this

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little deviation from our standard format here
and what we typically do on the show.

1958
02:26:26.040 --> 02:26:28.799
A little bit of true crime,
a little bit more of a horror

1959
02:26:28.840 --> 02:26:33.360
story, though emphasis on story,
and um, you know we usually do

1960
02:26:33.479 --> 02:26:39.040
some suggested movies similar to today's cases. But since we might continue this one

1961
02:26:39.239 --> 02:26:41.559
later at a different time, I'll
just have to say, if you figure

1962
02:26:41.600 --> 02:26:45.559
it out, figure it out.
Yeah. If you don't figure it out,

1963
02:26:45.799 --> 02:26:48.159
don't figure it out. If you
don't figure it out, then you

1964
02:26:48.239 --> 02:26:50.920
do figure it out. Don't get
mad at us. And I hope you've

1965
02:26:50.959 --> 02:26:54.319
been googling these names curiously trying to
I need to know. I've I've never

1966
02:26:54.399 --> 02:26:58.559
heard of this before. How do
I know know about this guy? Yeah?

1967
02:26:58.799 --> 02:27:03.360
I know when we last year when
we covered the shape Killer, Yeah,

1968
02:27:03.360 --> 02:27:05.959
a lot of people were like,
uh yeah, the Boogeyman. Yeah

1969
02:27:05.079 --> 02:27:09.280
yeah, a lot of people that
one was on the free feed and a

1970
02:27:09.360 --> 02:27:15.239
lot of people message saying, hey, this sounds like a movie. Yeah,

1971
02:27:15.319 --> 02:27:18.799
yeah, I didn't know that it
was real. And and to that

1972
02:27:18.959 --> 02:27:26.319
we say happy Halloween. Yes,
and Halloween. It's a time for tricks,

1973
02:27:26.360 --> 02:27:28.600
it's a time for treats, it's
a time for making memories for kids.

1974
02:27:30.040 --> 02:27:33.559
I've said it before. I do
a massive free hunted house for the

1975
02:27:33.600 --> 02:27:37.399
local kids. I've also created a
community map of my town blastroom map all

1976
02:27:37.440 --> 02:27:41.319
over the place of all the other
local haunts and really cool decorated houses,

1977
02:27:41.440 --> 02:27:45.360
making some memories, some safe and
scary memories. You know, these kids

1978
02:27:45.399 --> 02:27:48.559
could be out there drinking and smoking
weed at age twelve and thirteen and stuff

1979
02:27:48.600 --> 02:27:52.360
like that on Halloween nap, but
they can run it across the grounds of

1980
02:27:52.440 --> 02:27:56.920
a local mental hospital and investigating moans
and drilling sounds. But you know,

1981
02:27:58.159 --> 02:28:01.040
do your little part to keep this
spirit of Halloween a live and um.

1982
02:28:01.639 --> 02:28:07.040
By keeping the spirit of Halloween alive, I think that's truly one way to

1983
02:28:09.280 --> 02:28:16.120
let the night roar. Oh.
I remember now doctor Satan, God,

1984
02:28:16.239 --> 02:28:18.200
damn it. Everybody got to know
about doctor Satan. You know what I'm

1985
02:28:18.239 --> 02:28:22.040
gonna do, Boy, I'm gonna
do you a favor. I'm gonna let

1986
02:28:22.120 --> 02:28:28.799
you meet the old bastor. It's
all true, the Boogeyman's feel and you

1987
02:28:30.079 --> 02:28:39.280
fad aka a doctor sit murder,
torture, the most of all Mansesty.

1988
02:28:39.319 --> 02:28:48.000
Surgeon mister Quayo's an internal Willows Counting
mental hospital. It Dave, we've been

1989
02:28:48.120 --> 02:28:54.959
Willows Neberhood cries of Kave. Through
primitive brain surgery. Mister Quayo belaves that

1990
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he could create a race of super
interacamentally ill jilany justice prevailed that difficause adds

1991
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out other, and that influencing no
more. The stone so away from where

1992
02:29:11.920 --> 02:29:20.040
y'all ask and mouth be. The
next day your body was not being sick.

1993
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Until today you trace got the same
has ever been discovered the moves.

1994
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Maybe it's next door to you.