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hello and welcome from the Sunshine State of New York. It's right what
a day. Oh thanks for telling her friend about Billified. That's how we
spread the word about the pirate ship, one at a time. Dougie fresh
in the house. He glad to be here. Happy Tuesday. Wow,
what's going on? You're all energetic today? You got your little caffeine up,
you got uh cafe, got a lady friend. What's happening to?
Well, actually I met somebody last week. You did at a DJ seminar.
Yeah, she's seventy way wait wait wait wait wait wait there was this
episode. Why is it to believe? What is it? DJ seven?
I'll just hone your skills and you get together with other DJs I found on
Facebook and what now? Yeah, you're like, hey, you want to
interact with other DJ So was a little get Together out in Geneseo last week.
So what kind of DJs? Like DJ's all kinds? And well,
yeah, yeah, she's seventy two. Is she a DJ? Yeah?
And she DJ DJ's rap music. Her name's bust A Hip. Is this
all bullshit bust a Hip? Yeah? Don't you get it? Yeah?
Did you laugh for that? You laugh when I said I met somebody that
was hilarious. No, but what do you know? That's not what I
laughed at. What I laughed at was the DJ sevenar, I go,
who the fuck is? I was trying to set you up for a good
joke, to start it out right, and wait all week half a week?
Oh boy, that was that bombed? Oh you're used to that.
I don't worry about that, right exactly. No, I'm kidding, but
I just I was trying to picture in my head a DJ summar and I
just fucking lost it laughing, which is really awful because maybe there is there
are in Vegas and then and yes, okay, so Vegas I get.
I get because it's it's high end club DJ stuff. But I'm talking about
like wedding and bob mitzvah. Well, although bar Mitzva stuff I'm realizing is
god damn is it huge? Yes? And expensive. I just saw somebody
on Facebook. They asked me for a recommendation about a place. Yeah,
hold three or four hundred people and there it's like it's crazy money. Yeah
it is. Yeah, well I mean that that people are paying. Yeah,
and then it's the only Jewish music I have is from Neil Diamond Red
red Wine. Yeah, girl, you'll be a woman's So you drive the
roads of the Greater Rochester area, Yale as a uber driver, and how
bad are the potholes and things? They're terrible, terrible? Just how can
we not fix these? Okay? So we had a guy a while back.
I don't know if you were here that night or not, when we
talked to this guy who had hit a pothole and he had about eight hundred
dollars worth of damage done to his car, but it was a Tesla.
His mechanics said, I can do this. It would cost eight hundred teslas
that it'll be over one thousand, and so he tried to file acclaim with
New York State and he sent me the letter today and I'll just read a
portion of this section fifty eight of the Highway law provides that the state is
not liable for winter related defects in the highway for incidents that occur between November
sixteenth and April thirtieth, so anytime after that, anytime after that supposedly.
But they're saying, like this guy hit a pothole in January twenty fifth,
they're not paid. They're not paying. Yeah, that is wild, but
I guess it makes sense. But at the same time, it's a little
it's just mind boggling as they get older, where all our tax money is
going. I mean, then you have threw away money and it keeps going
up and up, and then if you didn't get the easy pass and you
just want to do paperless or you want to send it in, it was
not ten times as much, but it was significantly more. You know what's
really sad is I A I used to well that, but I always said,
uh, like when I would hear well, my tax dollars, I
go, I don't know what my tax dollars do, right, I can't
say my tax do. I mean, yeah, I'm paid taxes, but
I don't know what. I don't know what it goes to. Teachers,
firemen, policeman, politicians, judges. I'm just I just figure out it's
going. It's going, it's going. I Oh, I hope it all
it's going. Well, yeah, I have no idea it's going great.
So you don't have eight hundred dollars worth whole damage. Yesterday we had an
interesting little conversation. I thought it'd be funny to get your take on it.
Yeah, so some girl in a woman in Australia is twenty seven years
old, found out that she is what they call it creator, a creator
on OnlyFans. What's that? Oh, she creates. It's a nice way
of saying she's an OnlyFans page. So she was going through all her subscribers
and there was a name she recognized and it was her first cousin. So
she confronts the first cousin. He says, oh, now it's not me,
it's my buddy who's married. And he didn't want to use his credit
card, so I I let him use mine. But then Different I didn't
know this, but Different OnlyFans have various tears. So he's paying for an
even higher one to see even more content. And so she's very freaked out,
grossed out by this season. At family events and stuff, and has
blocked him from her only fans and all that. And I said, if
I had a cousin, a peer, not a niece, but a peer,
I would go look at the only fans and then I would recreate the
poses and take pictures and senergy. Now, if you had a family member,
would you check? Would you just be like a peer. I'm not
saying your sister, maybe your sister. I'm just saying, yeah, if
I found out, like somebody said, hey, Doug, I think your
cousin's yes, aren't you going to look? No, you're not going to
look, I would text them first, come on, they're gonna lie to
you, Okay, then they lie. I don't think they'd lie to me.
I would go check. You wouldn't check a little bit? And I
show me your face. I don't show me your face. Well, if
somebody hands it on their phone, crap her body on, let me see
her face. I don't need to see her family member naked. So that
might turn some people out. No, no, no no. But what
if it's like a really hot cousin who was adopted. What are the bylaws
HEREO? Did you get around? Yeah? You would get an a as
a go I'm kidding. I just I do think I would. I would
be curious. I would be curious. I think my I would probably check
it. My brother and I be texting each other, sending it back and
forth. You know, we'd be having up nicknames and stuff. I mean,
I remember a family member like I always was shocked when my mom would
tell a story and then be offended that we made fun of it. Oh,
oh, don't tell a story. Well that's what I'm saying. Like
she would tell a story and it would be like with such reverence about upset,
and she would sell it at like the dinner table. We actually sat
down as a family for dinner, and she would say this at the dinner
table, and she I don't know. There was all kinds of like there's
somebody in the family. Uh, a daughter had taken naked pictures and the
dad found out, and so then there was like a foot race to where
they were being developed. His dad was going down to get him because he
wanted to kill the kid and all this shit, and I'm going, you
can't tell me, you can't tell me that, no, but she says
that they're like, guys, I'm so worried about that and I'm going,
wait, what huh? What photo time full? Can I be excuselesly?
I lived? I lived in Appalachia. These people will live far away.
But I'm like that that's the stuff you can't tell. I mean, I
grew up in a house when my father used to once in a while,
when we were a little bit younger, he would declare it we're eating doggie
style tonight, God yes, which would piss my mother off because he would
because it was just his way of getting being dirty doggy style right, and
it meant you could eat with no hands, so we would just bury our
face in the plate we had. My mother would get so upset. I
go, you think telling that fucking story at that dinner table was gonna go
anywhere? But where you make a picture? We ate doggy style? We
did all Did you eat old man walking the wheelbarrow? No, I'm really
sure. What is that? That's that's pyramids? Yeah it is. Yeah.
No, there was all kinds of crap. Like my father was,
uh read Mismanner's Guide to Perfect Etiquette. He had read the entire book,
and he in Mismanners Guides to Perfect Detiqette he said, there's no sound that
emanates below the neck exists in society. So in other words, if you
hear someone fart, flatch late pass gas, however you want to say it,
uh, it doesn't exist. And so we used to sit there and
rip farts and say nothing happened, and my mother would get so so mad,
and he'd be like, I don't understand. Nothing happened. According to
miss Manners, nothing happened. And I'll never forget One time, man,
I ripped one so loud, so long at the dinner tation. My mother
shot up, looked at me and screamed, I don't know whether to slap
your face or hand you a paper towel. And that's the family you're gonna
tell the story to about another. It's like, come on, it was
crazy. You didn't have that kind of fun as a kid with your family.
My father dressed up as Elvis. Yeah, there was some fun in
the family. My father just told me two weeks ago that Moses had the
stutter. Yes, so, yes, that was the but it was true.
Yes, yes, it turned it out it Yeah. Doug did not
believe his father and went on Facebook to find out the answer. I just
wanted to hear people's reactions and there was a lot of them. There was
a lot of them. Well I didn't know that actually, so when I
saw it, I had to look it up. There's a lot of human
in our house. I mean, just like any family. Yeah, you
know, seriousness, bad, good, you know. Yeah, there was
a mind too, but mine was like there was a little bit of just
insanity at times. I mean I remember, I think my dad got bored
and just like to watch. This happened fifteen years ago. So we were
a kitchen table with my mother, my stepmother, my father, my stepsister
Kelly, and myself and we had to sign papers if anything happened to one
of them and the other one was incapacitated, that you'd have we'd have permission
to tell the doctor Okay, this is enough. And they said, do
you think you're gonna be able to do it? So I bent down and
pulled a plug out of the wall, so all the legs when I go,
yeah, not a problem. So and then my sister pulled out a
plug and my parents are just shaking theirs. But I'm like, yeah,
yeah, got it. Well, you know that a certain I am funny.
Sometimes some people think I'm funny. No, I know who are they?
Who are those people to either they are my only fans, my cousins.
I don't get naked. I just till I think we got the stats
and Only Fans last night that it was seventy I think it's like a seventy
twenty nine percent split on male female, and one percent that are signed up
for it or do it well that are yes that do it. So seventy
percent of the people on only fans or women, twenty nine percent or men,
and then one percent are non binary or whatever. But it's not all
naked stuff on there, right, that's the thing. There are I think
there's cooking classes and there's different things you can actually learn. Not a lot,
but there's a couple balance it out. I don't know. I don't
know how. I've never I've never even gotten to OnlyFans dot com. Have
you yes? Yeah? All right? Now, what have you seen anything?
Because there are from what I understand, and there's some other guys like
your old uh, your old shoe guy, Mark Hillman, Yeah, your
old shoe department employee. Uh. He says that he knows women who are
on only Fans. You know, you know women who are on only fans.
Okay, now, you son of a bitch. Have you checked her
out? Uh? Yes, of course? And how well do you know
this person? Well enough that I got a free subscription? Wait? What
when you're just asking me? Now? Am I supposed to come in?
Hold on a second, you have a free subscription? Yeah, to a
woman's page who's trying to make money? Yeah? What are you a consultant?
I don't know, I just a You should really try to emphasize art.
You're back more practice cat cow when you're not on camera. You know
art? You back? Why? Why? I don't understand who is this
person? Just a friend's name? Is an acquaintance or somebody you know?
Well, just an acquaintance, just an acquaintance. How did you meet this
person one of the bars I frequent? This is like three years ago?
Okay. A friend of a friend says, hey, that girl's got an
only fan age and I and so asking her A couple of the actually get
cocker spaniel. Well, I worked with a bunch of strippers, you know.
So yeah, I just said, hey, can I ask you something?
Do you have an only fan? But she's like, yeah, sure,
yeah I do. And then I checked it out. This is like
before COVID. And then I ran into her again and I asked her if
she's still doing it, and I talked her through social media and she sent
me a link and just there's there are other tiers. There's things, pictures,
you get free, so you just have the free stuff or did you
get into some of the other stuff? You know, I didn't buy I
just checked it out. No, no, I'm saying she let you into
some of the other stuff so you could see it. Just the free stuff,
okay, all right, yeah, all right? And what was what
was available as the free stuff? Some nakedness, some nakedness. Yes,
that's it, that's it. That's more for that. I think you had
to pay for it. Yeah, you do. And it's weird and I'd
like to know because all these people making thousands, well we know that,
we know that. Yes, there's somebody who's claiming, like three today is
like your father when you were twelve, saying, oh, I get Playboy
for the articles. Come on, you're gonna check it out. You want
to see Madonna naked. That was one of the biggest selling episodes. So
things have changed that way, yes, but it's still the same. You're
curious. You're curious. Well, the weird part is now though it's literally
the girl next door where they used to have in like, uh, well,
I think they had hustler a description. There was penthouse hustler. No
hustler, somebody hustler had beaver hunt. Oh the girl do you remember beaver
hunt? You don't remember they had beaver hunt and it was women from around
the country who are sending their naked pictures of that took or had someone take
of them and try to submit to be a hustler. Hustle. I don't
know where they do. You know why they call the an enemy the beaver
because years ago, I mean Lewis and Clark not, they would kill beaver
and they would make a pelt out of it for women to keep warm down
there. And that's where it came from. Honest, no joke on this
one. All right, Okay, I'm not sure if I believe that Moses
stuttered. Okay, so so beaver hunt. So all I'm saying is,
now, if you found out you're the hot chick down the street, well
that was another thing I was gonna say you. I have heard that if
you set up your only fans, you can do it just two different states
that if you put your credit card in and your your ZIP code is within
New York, that you can't get it. Yeah, you can do that.
Oh, I didn't know that. So you could do it for the
rest of the country, but not where your mom and dad were, right,
or your uncle Joe. Right, you could you get excluded from all
states, Say New York, your grandparents are in Florida. You're worried that
somebody's gonna see it. Yeah, yeah, you can execut his grandpa's lonely
or his buddies at the villagers. I think I saw your granddaughter on there.
Yeah, that's interesting. The only fans thing is is an interesting thing
to me because we hear about the people making the three hundred thousand a month,
the multimillionaire people, but not everybody's making that. No, right,
some people are making anything about it. I would they think they're gonna Then
you hear these stories and they everybody's gonna do it, right, But a
lot of the people that are doing it have a machine behind them in terms
of marketing on other platforms, driving you and then getting kicked off. So
we'll have ten or twelve Instagrams there's a woman that I know. They're trying
to do some kind of TV show about her. Teacher PhD found out she
wasn't gonna make more money the hours, all this stuff. She and her
husband together have an only fans page. She was on Doctor Phil and I'm
trying to get her on the show. She makes a tremendous amount of money,
lives in La, does a ton of social media. I mean it
is all day with her stuff all day that is driving people to her only
fans page and she's interacting with them, and so it does become as much
as people go. So not a real job. Oh no, it is.
Yeah, I mean it is. You've got it for anything you're working.
You got to get out there. Yes, all day. It's all
about attention. It's all about attention. Just describe to you. So I
just got to make on Instagram a couple of months ago before the comedy show
with Greg Owens to just advertise there. And I got a ton of people
that wanted to follow me or can you follow me? Like three or five
or six every day. This is Annabelle red h No, I haven't.
I have not looked at Instagram in a couple of weeks. But it's just
a picture of cleavage, not naked. But and she wants me to follow
her. I know, so why don't you? Because I don't know her
in it's a waste of time because it's a bot. It's not real,
right, and it could be somebody who's trying to like get your information and
stuff, right, So, yeah, you don't want to accept those And
they're not going to come to my things, and I'm not gonna come to
there. It's just a waste of time. Yeah, nobody's coming anywhere with
that. All right, We're gonna h well, take a moment. So
the O. J. Simpson thirtieth anniversary juice, The juice, I remember
where I was. I was in Syracuse for a benefit for cancer and I
was across the street a bar. So I think most people believe that O.
J. Simpson is guilty of the murders. Uh, we're going to
talk to Sean. And Sean Shawn does a lot of stuff around the village
of Fairport, but primarily an iron smoke distillery. He's going to come in
here. He is a fervent believer that OJ did not do this, and
we'll explain why. And I went back. I don't know if anybody remembers
there was a show when he wrote the book. If I did it,
they did it, Fox did it TV show and it never aired. But
it has the closest thing I mean, it is a confession to me.
There was no deathbed confession. But wolves here what Sean has to say when
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And we're back Brown number two. It is Tuesday, Tuesday here in
Fairport. If you're not drning, you should be Tugie Fresh and the Man,
the midth the Legend, mister bellmore round. That's a quick indro and
start saying quick. That's a quick yeah, wow, look at you though
nailed it. Of course I'll have does she know next week for you?
Oh, we might have to write some questions later in the podcast. Okay,
I'm going out Friday to do a little taping on there. But which
place I should always say? No? Tally ho tally hope, Yeah,
tally hope. Sean is in the house. And Sean is a guy who
you may know because Sean does pretty much everything around town. He does a
lot of the trivia nights. He did trivia night at mult Connery's for years.
It is trivia night sometimes over at Iron Smoke. Uh, you're all,
what else do you do? You do everything there? Do you own
it? Do you secretly own it? Are you? It's Tommy just a
face and you actually run that shot. Tommy is the pretty face and I
don't have the books for it. I have the face for radio. Okay.
So we've got Tommy the poster boy. That's uh, that's pretty funny.
So Danny Burrillo said to me, Hey, there's a guy, Sean,
and Sean is adamant. I don't know if adam is the right word,
but Shawn believes that OJ Simpson is innocent, and with OJ passing in
the thirtieth anniversary coming up, and there's all kinds of things coming out on
that. So Dan gives me Sean's number, and so yesterday I call and
it's just a generic voicemail. So I leave a message and then I send
a text and I put the address for the studio in there and I hear
nothing, and I hear nothing. So I called Dan today and I go,
hey, MANU is sean kind of a flake? Or I mean,
is he locked in? I go, he always seems to be. I
haven't spoken to him a lot, but he always seems very on the ball.
He's always like on top of stuff whenever he's running the gig. I've
watched the guy. He goes, no, no, he's not a flake
at all. I said, okay, so well I texted him and he
goes, oh, right, well, let me reach out to him.
So he reaches out, and you say, yeah, what am I walking
into? It? Is? I never know? Well, I said,
I'm not. I don't want to beat him up. I'm curious as to
I love hearing other people's you know, pinions and things. So he says,
uh, yeah, you go. I said, well, maybe I
have the wrong number. He goes no, he goes, well, what
number are you doing? I go the one you sent me. I'm just
clicking the text. So I read the number. I goes, yeah,
that's not it. So somebody's got my name, my phone number. The
addressed to the studio of voicemails that I'm leaving them to find out where they
are, what's going on, And it's always it's always good to double check,
you know, with people. But anyway, uh so O J.
Simpson before we get in, I thought this is Dougie may find this interesting.
So they've been trying to sell the or they believe now that they can
sell the white Bronco from the slow speed chase. Yes for one and a
half yeah, one and a half million dollars, three owners. There's three
owners in Tennessee. Well right now, it's in a museum in Tennessee.
Yeah, pigeon from museum. Yeah. Really, there's some kind of a
crime museum down there. And then somebody who's been there wrote me and said
that it's right next to Ted Bundy's Beetle. The Volkswagen Beetle is in this
museum. So it's a crime museum. So they so years ago it was
sold. It was sold for I think they were offered eventually seven hundred and
fifty. But back in nineteen ninety six they I think it was al had
sold it for seventy al callings for seventy five thousand dollars and then canceled the
sale when he found out what they were doing with it. He sold it
to a company and this company was going to lease it to another company that
did celebrity graves. And what they were going to do was they were going
to have a slow speed chase in the recreate the slow speed chase and then
take you to Nicole around Simpson's grave. Oh that's terrible. It is like
it made me time. I go, oh, that's an entrepreneur. That's
an entrepreneur who's going to try to But I mean, I keep capitalizing.
Somebody's now demise no matter what. But Sean, I went back and I've
dug up some audio of different things. Uh, why don't we start with
this piece of audio? This was October third, nineteen ninety five. All
right, mister Simpson, would you please stand and face the jury. This
is Robertson Superior Court of California, County of Los Angeles, in a matter
of the People of the State of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, Case number
b A zero nine seven two one one, with the jury and the embuff
and title action find the defendant or Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty of the
crime of murder in violation of penal cult Section one eighty seven A, a
felony upon the Cole Brown since then a human being as charged to. I
mean, he's the only one on the defense team that does any kind of
emotion California County in the back. And the rest of this was really sad
because you start to hear the Goldman family and his sister just sobbing in the
courtroom, and it's no matter what whether OJ did it or not, people
are dead and never coming back. And so that's where I was for that.
I wasn't working at Kenny Shoes as a manager at marketplace them all day
time. Okay, yeah, did did you have a TV in their radio?
Just the radio? Okay? All right? And I would assume like
some of the restaurant bar did they have any was the ground round around then?
Everybody listening to that, Yeah, we used to call it the Brown
round and we would always And it wasn't there discussion that they had the verdict
the night before. They did have it in October second, but they couldn't
get everybody in to read it. They needed to, you know, the
court proceeding. As everybody comes back to court, so they couldn't get him
in. I think I think some people were on vacation. I think Marshall
Clark was on vacation because it had been such a long trial and they figured
this was going to be weeks before they came back, and they it didn't
take weeks. So Sean, why do you say, what what is your
first of all, how old were you when all this happened. So that
would have been the murders would have been the end of my junior year high
school. Okay, the trial would have been the end of my senior year,
beginning of my freshman year of college. So of high school, beginning
of college. So obviously freshman year college. We did nothing but pretty much
watching the trial, skip plenty of classes and yeah, went there into that.
So you know, my my biggest take is I think that he knew
and maybe was involved in some ways. Okay, through a lot of stuff
that's come out afterwards, I leaned a lot more towards the theory that his
son was involved with it, just because Jason from his first marriage. Yeah,
with a lot of the evidence and you know, with the lack of
bruising on oj the photos that he took in the police station two days later.
The way that you know they say Goldman fought back and everything, there's
a lot of stuff that doesn't add up. In my opinion, I do
think oj knew more than he ever said. I mean, if you ever
read his book that is, did you read Yeah, I did the audio
version, Yes, that is ridiculous if I did it. If I did
it, you know the Confessions of Killers, change the title. Yeah,
So I mean I did read that. I mean that that's a very narcissistic
book take on everything, and so yeah, I've always just felt that not
everything ended up for him to be the one that actually physically did it,
But it would surprise me if he was involved or there in some way shape
or for him. Yeah, if that makes any sense, that makes a
lot of sense, because there's somebody who was out recently, I think an
old manager of OJ's who has really nothing to gain, said that this was
a mafia style hit, that OJ hired people but insisted on being there.
And again that would not inspire me because again because he's and that explains to
non like that's the one piece that I think for everybody was there's no bruising
and allegedly Goldman had gotten down into a karate stance and there was yeah,
you know, the bruising on his hands and everything that you know that they've
talked about that you would think OJ would have more. And the same thing
with the Bronco. They found very little blood if I remember, right in
the Bronco and at OJ's home afterwards or not the Bronco. Was it a
blazer he had? There was some kind of car what it was that he
had, obviously not the white Bronco. That was AC's right, that his
actual vehicle they impounded. There were some traces of blood, but not as
much for what that scene was. If I remember how everything went out,
Do you think that because we have a friend of the podcast who believes that
somewhere there's a letter like OJ originally originally had a letter that al Calling's read.
Was it over the phone while they were in this colleagues? Wasn't it
who called up? Remember they called? Was it calling from the Bronco?
And they and this is being broadcast everywhere he goes. They go, who
are we speaking to? They goes, you know, damn, well you're
speaking or something to that effect. It was like, so I remember laughing.
I just called nine one one. He said, Oh, we're just
trying to get that's what it was. His mother. He just want to
see his mother, right, And but I thought there was also a letter
somewhere. There was a letter that I think Shapiro read, or maybe not,
maybe it was Kardashian read, because loj had written a letter yes and
said you'll know when to open this or whatever. That's when he took off
with AC not only because I refresh my memory on some of this stuff.
Oh you did, okay, Yeah, Well it's hard to remember, right
because, uh, it was a it's thirty years ago, and there was
so much stuff that you don't and you heard so much stuff. There's been
so much so what's what was real? What wasn't There's been so much afterwards
with you know, the miniseries that was on was that, Yeah, I
didn't watch that. It was interesting, like so many other things. Again,
it just always He said that the tabloid newspapers like the Inquirer and Star
and the other ones were the big factor and getting evidence. You know,
they were going after stuff. How they wanted to find out the lynx.
I'll tell you right about it. I always thought the Inquirer and I know
there were things like, you know, a woman gives birth, the alien
baby or whatever they want, but they also seemed to me. I mean
they were the ones that that sunk Gary Hart's Democratic nomination basically to be President
of the United States, because they had busted him in the affair. Wasn't
it Gary? I think it was Gary Hart? And then there was who
was the guy from South Carolina whose wife had cancer and they uncovered his affair
and it was all the Inquirer. I mean they did some real they did
almost better investigative that would be a tabolot enough, but yeah, better journalism
than a lot of the other actives. Yeahah, they were digging deep.
I mean they were the TMZ y Yeah, and nowadays, I mean TMZ
is one of the go to places for some of that celebrity scandal news be
a trust him oh time. Yeah. Well it's right there. I mean
the TMG did a story on the bar on this strip here that ye's crazy,
all right. I think your theory then makes a little more sense.
It's not so far out, like I don't think he ever did it at
all. I mean, I'm not one of those people saying, oh,
he had nothing to do with it, didn't know anything about it. But
also I just feel that he was and grennye. He did have the book,
which was one way of kind of him speaking about stuff, but he
was such an attention hungry person that I don't think he could have kept his
mouth shut for thirty years either. Well that's the weird part as I I
think that too with the lot of people. I often feel like human beings
can't keep a secret. If that makes sense, yep, because I feel
like human being the secret well true, I mean how bad it is,
but there are some things that eventually you tell the one yeah, yeah,
yeah. You had two kids together, a son and daughter. So I
thought part of his thing was like he didn't he wanted to be there for
the kids, knowing that Nicole was gone. But somehow, like you know,
dropping the el Collings knows his best friend. Well, I would guarantee
that. I think somebody has to know something. I mean they had to
ask, oh, Jake, what the hell is going on? I mean,
all of a sudden, like all the secrecy gets well if as a
mafia hit, they say, if you ever bring our name where we've already
shown you what we're gonna do. We're gonna kill you and all your family,
So I don't ever say anything. Uh right now, this was did
you see? Because O. J. Simpson The Lost Confession was a special
on Fox. They never aired it, but they did the interviews. This
was an six so we're talking almost a little more than a decade after the
murders, and it was to coincide with the release of the book Sean that
you had read if I did it, and I guess I remember hearing some
stuff about this, but I don't think it ever aired because I think there
was such backlash. I think you're right there. Because I remember hearing about
it, I don't know that I've ever seen it or heard it. So
I found some audio and if this isn't a confession, I mean, just
listen to this. I know the facts better than anyone. First, this
is very difficult for me to do this. It was very difficult for me
because it's hypothetical. Well, cap and gloves and hypothetical cap and gloves.
I don't think any two people could be murder it the way they were without
everybody been covered in the book. I just remember the coal fell hurt herself
and this guy kind of got into a karate thing and I said, well,
you think you can kick my ass? And I remember I grab a
knife. I do remember that portion taking a knife from Charlie, And to
be honest, after that, I don't remember except I'm standing there and there's
all kind of stuff around and what kind of stuff but and stuff around.
You know, I hate to say this. For this, I know we
got to back up again. You right about removing a glove before taking the
knife from Charlie. You know, I had no conscious memory of doing that,
but obviously I must have because they found a glove there. In the
book, you described taking off your shoes, your pants, and your shirt
and dropping it in a bundle. Do you remember that? Uh? Yes,
this is OJ talking about it. Yeah, that was the thing that
I don't think that aired on Fox. That's essentially what's written in the book
because it's the one chapter, you know, where he's like, you know,
hypothetically speaking if I did it, this is how, and he went
through pretty much everything we want. But when he's speaking there, it's it
goes from hypothetical to I was there, who's Charlie. Well that's the thing
that I've always fund interesting in the book is who was this Charlie person,
because they never really say who it is, at least as far as I
know either, Okay, which again leads me to believe that, like,
I think he was involved in some way. I think he do. Yeah.
Well, then it almost gives credence to the manager who said OJ had
this set up and insisted on being there. So I'm wondering if Charlie's the
hit man. Charlie does all this stuff, and then you know, I
see that guy get down on the karate stance. You think you're gonna kick
my hand? I mean the way he's taking me. Yeah, I just
like to freak you out. Doesn't listen to this. And to go from
the most beloved, not the most beloved, but a very loved, I'll
say, character, You know you were a grid iron star right on lowly
teams, the Bills and then the forty nine ers at the time Lent.
The forty nine ers at that time weren't winning. But I'll be honest with
you, I was only coming kind of conscious of football and sports and all
that stuff when OJ played for the forty nine ers. I had no idea
he played for the Bills and then you know, I loved the Naked Gun
movies, and you saw Towering Inferno, which was an awful movie. But
I mean a great movie, but an awful movie. I mean, it's
just just naming a movie. It was it, no, I know,
but it's an awful movie, wasn't it? Like it was the People Dying
and yeah it was nineteen seventy two or somethingthing like yeah. But so he
goes on to be an actor and then he's the sportscaster and he's up in
Buffalo often on the field doing his forty Yeah, a handsome guy, the
Hurts commercials, and then you never saw this, We never saw that side
of him. But the domestic violence stuff if it all seems to add up.
But that thing that I mean this, how many calls did they get
before they actually sent somebody. I just read this the other day, like
eight calls, Nicole Brown. Things were going on, and then they finally
sent somebody to the house. I thought over the years there was there yet
different calls. I don't remember. I think there were a few. I
think there were a few that they did show up and it was like,
hey, oj Man, you know, yeah, yeah, that kind of
thing. Yeah, it's like, which is I don't mean to laugh.
I laugh out of out of awkwardness and uncomfortable inness because you know, but
when you're famous, you get away with stuff. Yeah, you do.
Unfortunately, I just got to hear this again. This freaks me out.
I know the facts better than anyone first on. This is very difficult for
me to do this. It was very difficult for me because it's hypothetical.
All right, so it's hypothetical. This is what he's saying. It's hypothetical.
But when he goes keeps continues to talk, it sounds very first person
because it's hypothetical. Well, cap and gloves, uh, and hypothetical cap
and gloves. I don't think any two people could be murdered the way they
were went out. Everybody been covered in blood. Oh, Jay Simpson who
was behind him? Who's the Slow Weight program, Peyton Manning. Yeah,
I just remember the coal fell and hurt herself, see that, Like I
don't remember that coming out that Nicole fell and hurt herself, right, I
did do the col practically had her head chopped off, and so I guess
one of the things that we'll remind for a second. That leads me a
little more towards like the Jason stuff that I believe in. So they were
all the domestic violence calls that you know were documented here and there, none
of them were ever with a weapon. I mean he was a physical he
was, yes, he was, yes, not with the weapon right where
you had his son just arrest a few days before that for attacking his manager
with a knife. Oh, I didn't know that. So you had his
son, like with a lot of violent history with knives, who also had
I guess some type of either rotc Army, Navy training or whatever. He
was about twenty four at the time. So so again with a lot of
the physicality of it, is always led me back towards it being more Jason,
who also had I guess documented mental illness issues and didn't like Nicole.
It didn't because you know, she was the woman that came in after OJ
left his mom. He was about I think thirteen or so and about Nicole
or go hold me on the exact dates, yeah, something like that,
And it just it always Yeah, that's where as more and more evidence came
out. I know they have the one private investigator who's claimed he bought like
a storage locker that Jason Owen that had journals in it and had a knife
that he thought could be connected or and who knows how much to believe of
any other that stuff. A lot of it's people go for publicity, but
just that always added more and more. It's like, yeah, oj was
definitely not a nice person and had some horrible sides to him, But wouldn't
you be a conspiracor conspirator to the murdered accessory? I don't know if the
laws, I don't know technically the crime would be, but I mean,
I mean, I definitely again not do not think he was innocent of being
not involved in any way shape. Yeah, I just don't think that he
physically, I mean, and then to take the head the hit that it,
you know, knowing that's your kid, Uh, well, so I
guess you didn't stop it. One of the other interesting facts, you know,
I was looking at stuff the today and brought it back O. J
hired a lawyer for his kid before he hired lawyers for himself. So the
day that he found out, he hired a lawyer for Jason before he even
had his whole dream team of people settled before he was charged with anything,
so he was already kind of expecting Jason talked to it, interrogated in sudden
way, shape or form, so very absoultely could have said. And I've
heard this theory too, it's like, oh, j just go to go
to trial. They're not gonna be able to pinot on you, and we'll
be able to fuck a whole bunch off of you, get you not guilty,
and then your son will I guess it was proved, well, not
proven, but that his son had done it after many years, there was
more evidence linking his son than actually oj Ah. Okay, it's sort of
I don't even like saying this, but it sort of makes a little more
sense in the stuff except for the things that we're hearing here. But he
may have been there. Is there a possibility that he knew that Jason was
gonna do this or so, or did he want Jason to do this.
One of the accounts that I read there, I mean, yeah, this
is all speculation on stuff, was that, you know, I guess that
the Colt was supposed to be out with the kids at some restaurants that Jason
worked at. She didn't go there. He was mad, he went over
and then apparently this account goes Jason committed the crimes, then called his dad,
who showed up and wasn't like pretty much, okay, get out of
here, get rid of this stuff. Yeah, and then the cover up
or whatever happened happened, and this guy kind of got into a karate thing.
Well you think you can kick well this guy? Right, So he
doesn't know his name, but by that point in two thousand and six he
clearly should have known his name. But I'm wondering if he was the karate
stance, where did that come out? I had heard that before. Was
this the only account? Was it the book? Then he says, karate
stands. I know there's like all the talk about Goldman being a black belt
in karate. Oh there was so that how could defend He should have been
able to defend himself, you know someone that's then again it goes back to
the lack of bruising on Oj. You thinks there's guy black bell karate is
going to do something. Especially, I mean, how old was Oj at
that point? He had been in his fifties. Uh yeah, I thought
it was in his early forties. Could have men my grab a knife.
I do remember that taking a knife from Charlie, And to be honest,
after that, I don't remember. I don't know who Charlie is, all
kind of stuff around and what kind of stuff. But so if we think
about this, let's go with the theory that he didn't do it, his
son did it. His son calls him in the panic, says I did
it. He goes over to see this, and then for the rest of
your life you're this. I mean, look, do you have kids?
Yep, Okay, you love your kids? You would I have kids.
I would do anything for my kids. I don't know if I would be
yeah, yeah, it would be hard to know that they did this right
and not. But at the same time, I wouldn't want them somewhere else.
I'd want them somewhere where I could try to keep an eye on them,
or maybe make them live with me. Something right that I could keep
an eye. But I wouldn't want them in a prison. But it would
be terrible to know that they were capable of this. I mean, this
was brutal, and yet he'd be if oj Beato his wife up eight times
at least for calls and probably more domestic abuse. How bad is it to
go from that to Okay, my son ended up killner. You're already beating
up a woman, yes, many times? Yes, yeah, no,
I I yeah, I don't know. I have no idea that just But
what I'm saying is, let's just go on the simple fact that you're going
to cover for your son for the rest of your life. You've become a
pariah, a polarizing figure in America. To me, I found him the
most interesting because you went from I mean, the only only one I can
think of is cosmic. You go from America's dad to whatever, you know,
the pariah you are, the rapist. Basically, I could also see
him being so narcissistic and self centered to think that he's not going to get
all this backlash and after it's proven that you know, he didn't do it,
that all of a sudden America is gonna come back and love OJ because
I'm OJ. So. I mean, the guy was not all there mentally
on many levels. No, he was right, but then I mean,
even living in Florida doing cocaine, going around partying with young chicks, haven't
he just had a life after that? And then you know, in the
nine years in prison, for a crime that didn't just on the surface,
didn't deserve nine years. This was payback in some way. But you do
all that and really it was your kid that did it potentially, and it
seems you make a good case in that theory. I didn't know there was
more evidence that came out maybe pointing that direction. That's interesting. I mean,
there was a lot of other stuff that came out. You know,
Jason apparently had the same hat that was found there, and like you know,
yeah, there was a whole bunch of different stuff that had come out
of the one documentary that was there. I don't know what, maybe ten
years ago or so. Yeah, well, I uh, you didn't walk
into any kind of a line that I actually think it makes sense. And
the more, the more and more it's just such a weird thing, right
because they never you would think at some point something to that level would eat
at you that you I don't know, something would weird would happen or come
out, you know, or someone would say something. The other thing is
it's like you would think by now someone would have cave to mony, like
okay, that's what I mean. Something either the circle is very small of
people that know or they're oh, I think yeah, uh all right,
well this is a it's an interesting thing for sure. Sean who brings up
some good points. Sean who works in Iron Smoke is later tonight because we're
taping this on on Tuesday the sixteenth. Is this the monthly smartphone trivia that
you do? So tonight is my monthly smartphone Iron Smoke Distillery. Yep.
And uh so it's music Trivia night. And then actually tonight I have a
live I do a live band music round, so it's like a band playing
music clips really, which is funny when you have like two white, overweight
guys and they're playing you know, like Lizzo or some people are trying to
guess you know, the name of the song or there. So that's always
something that's a little fun, that is fun. And then Tomorrow night is
live band karaoke over there. Are you there Tomorrow night as well? I'm
not going I'm over at Damien's Joint thoughorrow. Okay. Every Wednesday over there
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playing the main stage on Saturday on Friday the nineteenth. Excuse me, They're
a fun one. That's why I thank you guys for having me to give
me a chance to chat with you today too. I appreciate it. Yeah,
I think it's great. And it's just such a weird thing to me
that guy I couldn't. I always thought he did it or had some knowledge
of something. And I don't know how you love somebody and then could have
their head cut off and not at some point just I mean, just eating
you. We had a ninety eight year old guy in here because the Fairport
Police do a podcast that we produce, and this guy talked about being in
World War Two and killing people and he remembers the first person he shot,
a German soldier over in when I don't know where exactly, but I think
in Germany, and he said that I sometimes think I'm sitting in my easy
chair now and the memory is floed back, and I think, how could
I have done that? And I thought the same thing with OJ. Was
there ever a thing? How could they? And it has to be?
It just has to be unless you're so good. And the only thing I
could think of is if to be a great athlete, really, to be
great at anything, you got to have a short memory. Because everybody has
what we'll call a failure in some way, a bad game, a bad
day, a bad whatever. But you gotta have a short memory behind you.
That's what I'm saying, right right, put it a little behind you.
Can you do that with something like this? But this was the mother
of your children. You have kids who you love. I would assume that
no longer have a mother on the planet. And somehow you're either you're guilty
in society, you were found guilty and liable in the civil court. You
know all this shit, And I go, at some point you have to
think in your mind, I don't know, like this ninety eight year old
guy, how could I have done that? Or how could I have How
could my son have been able to do this? Or what I'm so busy
with cocaine and hooker. Yes he did, and which would be? Which
would be? See that video dancing in the club, Thank you Jesus,
I love you Jesus, surrounded by five or six women. You haven't.
Okay, I'll look for that, but no. But what I'm saying is
that's a good I'm sure. And these are all escapes, right, get
high, forget, get drunk, forget. Also, look at what we've
learned about pro football players over the last you know, five ten years with
seats right and all that stuff that you know, who knows what type of
trauma he suffered back in the day. And yeah, that's not excusing anything.
No, it's not, it's not. But that's interesting. All right,
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No, I never did either. At top forty. I was at
a party in La Once and the card at the end of this video was
there was there the guy. It was the guy's house too. Yeah,
wualdo. It's funny because but this I don't think Echo number one. It
wasn't until fifty one to fifty with Sammy Hagar. Yeah, they had a
number one album. I don't. I'm trying to think. I don't think
I had any teachers that I considered hot. Maybe in high school there was
one, Missus DeAngelo. She taught math and my buddy, yes, and
my buddy used to say it was a bippy day because her nipples would be
hard and like poke it through, so he would come running down all it's
day. It's bitby, like we get all excited. We were about fourteen
fifteen years old. And other than that, there was no There was not
one teacher that you thought was attractive. There was one my senior year who
woud come in, but I didn't. She was younger, but I she's
probably a student teacher. No, she was, I remember because she took
over the track team and stuff and I didn't run that year for whatever reason,
and so she Yeah, I'm looking at her. No, I don't
remember exactly, but I never had any interaction with her other than that everybody
there was just old and crusty, and there was nobody attractive. And now
it's way way different. And there's a story that came out yesterday or over
the weekend about a teacher in Omaha, Omaha, Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska.
Now where it had in county, but where it happens doesn't to me,
doesn't matter because it's going on anywhere. And I used to say,
like, what's in the water, because in order to be a teacher,
you now this person it turns out as a substitute teacher. So but again
I don't know. In some states, different requirements, but New York State,
I was always shocked because you paid extra to get your masters. You
had to have a master's degree. So now that was either a year or
two years, depending on the program accelerated or not. That you're additional schooling,
more loans, more bills, and you're gonna throw it all away for
a fourteen year old penis makes no sense unless there's some kind of I don't
know what it is, some kind of weird thing, but this, well,
you're a pedophile. Yeah, if you're fourteen, yes, but I
mean even seventeen, you know what I mean? Like a student at some
point a student, I guess you can almost look sort of like if it's
a twenty three year old first year a secondary teacher, right high school teacher
that gets involved with an eighteen year old guy. Anywhere else, but that's
been a bit well anywhere else but that setting, it's not that big a
deal. But in that setting it's a scandal because you've got it shouldn't happen.
But I could see where that one could almost be. This is one
I don't get at all. Really, this is a four scenario you could
you've not been thinking about in different way. Forty five year old woman forty
five. I'm in okay, how she look not bad? You know what
she looks like? No, I don't. A very sweet, n nice
woman like she does. Look her up. Her name is uh. I
would have a picture for you, but spin in my computer. I'm gonna
knock over the camera or something. Let's see her name is Ward? Is
her last name? A forty five year old teacher, Aaron Ward. Aaron
Ward, forty five. Now her mugshot is horrible, but they have a
picture of her made up, and she just looks like a sweet lady.
She's pretty. She's not nothing fantastic, but she's a pretty lady. Dirty
Worr, but it's church. Go all right, I'm going back and forth.
Okay, that that's the that's what she got caught, right, Okay,
now wait to hear the story and then that. Okay, that's like
she'd be teaching Sunday school. Okay, Okay, there you go saying that's
all right. So and her husband I believe is a Harvard educated lawyer,
okay or something. So she is caught. There's a report of a cart
on at the end of a street, dead end, three o'clock in the
morning. Please come by a knock on the door. It's her and the
seventeen year old kid in the back seat. Seventeen year old, not fourteen,
seventeen, seventeen seventeen. She is the kid is not fourteen seventeen year
old kid. She the kid leaps to the front of the car. She's
completely naked in the back. Now to be forty five and flexible enough they
can get it onto the back seat of a car is still pretty good.
Yeah, I give her a point. She leaps to the front. The
kid leaps, he pulls up, is underw her. It leaps to the
front of the car and takes off. Oh, racing with her with her
Well, she's still in the back seat, so the cops pursuit chase.
Kid crashes the car. Oh, I thought you may runs off, not
in the door and run. Not yet. He jumps to the front seat
and takes off, hits the gas, drives the car. We're out of
here. I can't get in trouble. Crashes the car. She's still naked
in the back. They the kid gets out and runs and I don't think
they catch him, so they just stay on the person who's in the car,
who turns out to be forty five year old Aaron Ward, who admits
that she had sexual intercourse with the kid. And when they're going through and
she's pulling like her clothes together, ID falls out from the school. OK.
So she says, yes, I'm a teacher, and he is,
but she's a substitute teacher in the district and it's her employee, ID.
And the kid is a student at the school, seventeen years old, seventeen
and she's forty five. And they find out who the kid is, obviously,
obviously, but he's a minor by you know, not under eighteen,
so they're not going to release his name. So how som go lucky is
this kid runs out? How lucky is this kid? I'm going there's so
many things in this that just make no sense to me. You're forty five.
I want you to go, I want you to talk. I almost
want to do a survey on the street of forty five year old women.
When was the when was the last time you got it on in the back
seat of a car? Right right? Or or when was the last time
you desired Maybe you parked with your husband, you had a few romantic moments,
but you know, you had that big bed at home. Do you
know what I'm saying? You had a big bed. You didn't have this
shitty back seat of a car. I don't even know what kind of car
it is. It could be the kid's car. If it's a seventeen year
old's car, that ain't a nice car. It's just not right unless it's
that going. So she's in You're in the back seat of a car at
three o'clock of the fucking morning. Have you lost your mind? And you're
married, and you're married, and I would assume have kids. I've seen
no report to say that, but I did see something where they had her
husband and I know he's some I don't know if he was a lawyer,
but he's Harvard educated and sort of a big wig. Maybe he's a politician
out I don't know, uh, but known so now this is this gets
everywhere. That's the bad part. And you are guilty, I don't.
I mean, according to the report, their heart beats for that adventure.
Oh no, I get it. I look, I understand at some point
you should say, being adult, okay, this is wrong, I shouldn't
be doing this. Yeah, you know, I mean, I don't know
if you've got that much the hats for this guy, wait till he's When
are you going to be eighteen? I'll take you out for your eighteenth birthday.
I just remember something, you know, I just remembered, just remembered
this. Yeah, okay. I remember going home from college, back to
home where my parents lived, seeing some of my buddies, and one of
my buddies said that they made out with one of the guys moms at like
a party senior week or whatever it was. Because they was after we graduated
college was like, yeah, made out with Yeah, it was somebody's mom
and somebody's mom. That was big news. Oh it was big news to
me. Now I didn't know this person. They went to it. They
went to a school down south. I think they were either Clemson or maybe
yeah, I think they were Clemson. And they said whatever their senior week,
whatever their parties were. The families came in and they had like big
picnic. They got drunk. Mom and dad are there. Dad's off doing
something and Mom's making out with one of the frat bros. And I go
even there, like, I don't know, do you lose yourself and go
back to the fantasy? And well it depends on how much I have a
drink? Yeah, you know, but how much do you have to drink
to go? I want to bang a seventeen year old in the back of
a fucking car. How do you have them? Shy seventy seven of them
all? And it was the matter the needle swings both ways. I don't
know, I find it or hurricanes horse And these are the people, these
are the people that I want to talk to so badly because I want to
say I really want to know what led to this? How did this come
about? Can you just just be honest, I'm not I just want to
know, like what happened? Did he just get your who was this temperature?
Yeah? But I mean this couldn't have been the first time. Why,
there's no way this is the first time. Is every three o'clock in
the morning sneaking around there's some kind of other flirting, something happened. Maybe
it's the first time they've actually had sex together, but there's some other ship
that's going on. There's no way that you know, and you're forty five
and you don't have these moments where you're like, what am I doing?
I'm so stupid? My god? And what is this kid? Like?
What are they gonna tell me? He's an old soul? I mean,
you know what I'm saying. He knows how to talk to women. This
guy's gonna be the smoothest guy, I guess. So I want to talk
to the kid like, hey, a silver tongue devil. Yeah, in
study hall? But what what is the pickup line? Where where does it
go? How does it happen? I never looked at a forty five year
old woman at seventeen they were ancient to me. Now, I think forty
five year old women look very different today. But this woman looks very matronly,
not I mean not sure on attractive. She's a pretty woman, but
if I'm seventeen, I'm not looking at her. Going sign me up?
Right? Boy? I bet she makes a mean meat loaf. I mean
you know what I'm saying. That's all I would need. I love meat
loafs. I just like, come on throwing some skill. It's like,
yeah, you're right. How would the conversation come up of being attracted here
in slip? Is it in your I would guess study hall, yeah,
where you might not have so many kids or something, or just talking because
just study all year, either you're studying for a test later or you're just
talking in the teacher at least I remember, And if you're going to talk,
just keep it low, right, But I just remember. I mean,
you're right, there has to be some inquisitiveness. That's a big word
for me. But how you doing? You married? Or how many times
are you single? You? What's your name? Bobby? What do you
do? Oh? You? Oh? Do you work out or something?
Yes? Does that effect the guess? Yes? You just don't show up
in a car at three o'clock in the morning. No, that's what I'm
saying. And think about any girl about your same age appear in school that
you hit on, and she could look like in a second, shut you
down, right, shut you down. That hasn't changed. So at forty
five you may be a little more kind and not want to be hurting a
kid's feelings, but you could shut that kid down. True, who is
going after who to start it? That would be that's another weird thing.
Though you're forty five. What makes you look in the mirror? You're forty
five. There's nothing wrong with forty five. There's nothing wrong with fifty five
six, there's nothing wrong with it. But it's wrong when you're seventeen to
go, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, they're there. Get those
numbers up, keep going eighty eight. Oh I'm hard too. I don't
know. I mean, beauty is an I beholder. But yeah, you're
forty five years substante teacher. You've obviously heard other stories like this, right,
people go away for a long time. Yeah, Well here's the other
thing. Take away, take away the jail stuff, because that just more
that to me. Actually sounds like in these situations, it sounds like a
vacation from the going to jail. Going to jail nowadays no no going to
jail. And if you're in this kind of a situation, going to jail
sounds like a vacation. Because I don't care where you are. Every we
can all say big city, small Every area is a small town. Every
area you go to Brooklyn, they have neighborhoods or gets around that neighborhood.
You can't walk out on the street. Everybody knows who you are and what
you did. Right, think that disappears after a while. But maybe maybe
you can move. You can move, but you gotta move. Start over?
Who wants to start over? Forty five? You see what I'm saying.
You're established, You got roots, your husband, all this stuff.
You like your fan, you like your house, Maybe you like your husband,
Maybe you love your husband. Maybe your husband's not satisfying. I don't
know. To take the dirty sexual shit out, no whatever the sexual stuff
in. But what makes it? But I'm saying, right, but then
your parents, you're in laws, kids, your co workers, your friend,
everybody fucking knows. Everybody you know knows. That's what I'm saying,
to come up with Thanksgiving dinner. Hey, you don't think you think Detroit's
gonna cover the spread of seven and a half. And uh, speaking speaking
of bread, did your wife, Hey, do you guys get some stocking
stuffers? You know what I'm saying. You not taking care of business in
the bedroom. You understand like you do understand you can move. You can't
run away from your family. He just can't go see him anymore. And
what do you do? You cut your Yes you can. But my point
is, I look at that woman, look at her face when it's all
made up. That is a woman whom I'm saying, and if and I
will have her picture up when we do some things online, I'm saying,
that's a woman who is about family like you. Yeah, yes, yes,
And she bakes and makes Yeah, she cooks, she does, She
probably does. She could be a freaking the bed lady in the streets,
freaking the sheets. Yeah, a little whiskey maker. Whiskey no makeup,
now if you were, if you were, no makeup. She looks a
little rough there, But that I mean that is after probably so crying,
embarrassed. She's probably embarrassed. She was completely naked in the back of the
car as a seventeen year old boy runs away. That's why we call the
streak. There's fucking chivalry for you, right. Let her hold the bag
of ship. That's chivalry right there. Let me tell you something, if
the number one thing, if that were my kid, I'd be like,
you fucking asshole. You let her hang on all this shit? You did
this? That would be bigger thing. Yeah, yeah, because by that
point it's all over. There's nothing that it's already done. It's done,
it's already done. The only thing I would have said is, if you're
gonna be a man, be a fucking man to the end. Don't go
running away from the cops. Don't leave her. Did you wear a kindom?
That wouldn't even come up. It wouldn't, No, it should one.
God only knows who else she's been with. That's save sex, right,
Okay, but it's too late it is, so I'm gonna say,
did you wear a condom? Did you pass ten? Yes? I don't
care. My thing, that's that's my bigger thing. My bigger thing would
be if you're gonna be a man and have a relationship and fool around with
someone, who is married and you know that. It's maybe she taught an
anime and this kid was just an idiot. I don't first of axtracurricular activities.
I don't remember even it said, Oh, no, I did seventeen.
I snuck out of the house. I was out at three o'clock in
the morning. I was gonna say, most times your parents kind of were.
There were curfews. You want to make sure you're home. I was
out. I crawled out of the window. I remember my mother coming downstairs,
banging on the door because I had failed the chemist No, I had
the chemistry regions coming up. I failed it then, and she's banging on
the door. Wake up, you got to start studying. You got to
get your shit togetter. And I wake up. My eyes are like blunt,
She goes, Why are your eyes so blood shot? I don't know,
just waking up. Give me a second. I had just gotten home
about a half hour earlier. Were you drinking all night? Uh? Probably
among other things. No, there were kegs and fields and running around,
and we got the kegs obviously, people that were old enough. I think
somebody buddy from college. Yeah, yes, of course it is. Yeah,
any women of the parties. Yeah, there were not not forty five
year old women. Those were called chaperones or scarecrows in the middle of the
field, stared the cops away. It's terrible, but I just like,
I don't I can't wrap my head around it. And then I feel bad.
I feel bad for her, which sounds stupid because I don't feel bad
for her. I didn't do it. She was. No, I'm saying
like, you got caught up in a moment, and a moment got too
big. A moment's at a party and you two are in the kitchen,
everybody else is out looking at the fireworks, and you start making out and
you hear something. You stop. You're like, okay, that was that
was fun. That yeah, but this is then back in the morning,
that feeling of being wanted again, feeling young again, being told you're attractive
again and beautiful again. I mean that that's how these things go with people.
I don't know. I would know. Oh no, No, I'm
just saying like, yeah, I'm sure you do. I do, right,
somebody doesn't feel satisfied. I don't know why a seventeen year old,
but clearly you're right. You shouldn't feel bad for her. I just feel
bad because where do you go now that not everybody well the Diamono's fall and
everybody's affected, from your husband, your kids, parents, Like you say,
yeah, her parents, I mean work. You know what do you
say? Like? I need not get looked in the same I mean eventually,
like if now to wear off, I mean years. We're not talking
a day or a week or a month exactly. You know right this there
will be people that will never forget this. Right, and that mug shot,
I want to know if it comes out. You ever get one of
those really shitty Christmas letters. This has been an amazing year for us.
Well twenty twenty four could have went better. But we're back in April.
Aaron got arrested. We've set you a commemorative ornament of her mug shot.
How do you sell that Karen car Max only one owner? Besy was used
a few times, but other than that, you got to get rid of
the car. The kid does well? Whose car was it? I don't
know the wife's and it's a family you're selling that the next day. Let
me ask you this. I can't have my kids into Becksy where mommy was.
Yeah, I know, squirting, sorry for yeah, yeah, is
that a sippy cup that spilled their mom? I uh, I was just
thinking about this. I remember this kid bragging to us that he made out
with somebody's mom and the dad was there. And I remember thinking at the
time, like, I wonder if I don't think it was that lady's first
time. Maybe it was, Maybe it was, but I was I always
go if it always plagued me, like I used to think when I was
married. Let's say I thought, I'm not married now, but or technically
I am. I'm legally separated, but I'm technically married. But I thought
if my kids were in college and that happened, how upset would it be?
Or would I laughed that would rather be a frat boy or the neighbor?
And I'm going I think I wanted to be a frat boy because I
think there's less of a chance of anything going further than that. The neighbor,
well, I don't know. Well, I know, I mean making
out at a bar years ago. That was fun to do. You know,
you got your little fixed. Nothing happened, So I think I told
this story. Well, Sean was in the blue room. I remember one
time making out with a woman out on the deck, and this guy came
out and yelled at me, and I said, you know, what's your
problem. You were a boyfriend and he goes, no, I'm her husband.
Oh that did happen? She was, and then she divorced him and
got married to somebody else. But that was a lot of drinking back then.
I mean almost every night, and especially on the weekend. Hey,
what was I going to do? Everybody? Everybody out and you know,
my liver was telling me go talking right bloated people? Would you know,
hang around and you do o'clock in the morning. Oh yeah, there's a
lot of great fire stories out there. Well, just some some weird,
weird stuff with this uh lady. But it happens, and it still goes
on. Yeah, and I go every time he hits the news. You
would think that somebody would. Can we have a moment of clarity where you're
like to get caught? There's too much This never fucking ends. Well that's
what should go through your head, This never ends. Well, Uh,
we'll take a moment. I'm gonna I've been trying to contact this uh kid.
He is a kid kid, he's a minor and I'm gonna see if
we can get this. What's his deal is? He was in a little
bit of trouble. Oh you did say that. Yes, he was in
a little bit of trouble. And uh, I don't want to give too
much more away until I actually get him on and if if we don't,
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Yeah? This day is just more fun than should be legally allowed to be
had. I've been uh, we're drinking heavy. No. I saw a
picture of the Guinness the other day. Yeah. I was at Thirsties and
I took a picture of a perfectly poored Guinness. I was sitting there with
uh, some buddies watching the PGA and betting on the holes. Yeah yeah,
just right, just there like a dollary. Will you get up and
down? Will he hit par Will you go? I'm saying, Bertie were
thrown a dollar. You've had it a whole lot of fun, you know.
Fan of Shuffler, I'm not really a fan of even really golf.
Yeah, I mean I I Tiger was always one eight. I think Tiger's
got one more to see him do what he did. It was you know,
everybody jumped on that bandwagon in the beginning with Tiger. Yeah, oh
yeah, how could you not you're crushing. The guy was crushing. Yeah,
now you said have the tiger proof courses. And now it's just weird
to see him, like, you know, what was he seventeen over?
Eighteen over something like that. Yeah, Like he's had his back fused and
he's been through kinds of problems. Well, he almost lost his leg in
that accident. Which one in the accident where he went off the side of
the in the canyon. Was that in California? Yeah, okay, yeah,
they were. They said that they all thought they were gonna have to
amputate the leg. So the fact that he's even walking, you know,
three days of eighteen holes or four days of eighteen holes is pretty Uh,
it's pretty impressive. Hey, Cliff Clavin just walked by oxy contins and kinds
of drugs. Oh probably, I would think that there's everything. You have
that much money, How do you not have a twenty four hour limo?
Hey, I'm gonna go rip it up. I don't want to drive.
I thought you learned your lesson. I mean, these people with all kinds
of money, they get in the car accidents or people kill people. Well
that was wasn't his wife? Oh? That was when he was really I
remember the one where he's like, yeah, well, there's a lot of
conspiracy theories when he that accident that his wife, uh, she did hit
him in the face with a club because you didn't see him for four months
and his teeth looked different than his pictures. Yea, she and her back
in the back windshield was smashed out by a club and she went crazy and
he's calling like that that Rachel Ucatel's my favorite thing because he called her and
somebody turned it into a slow jam Take your name off my phone? Did
you ever hear that? No? Oh, I gotta find take my name
off your phone? Tiger Woods. Hang on, I'm not going anywhere off
your phone. This portion of the Bilified program brought to you by Yeah,
here's the slow jammery bases its tired. Why your home? So I don't
understand what that means exactly be somebody explained it to me once. So it
would come up as her, but if you took if she took her name
off of it, it wouldn't. I don't know how that works, but
this was the call. Oh, yes you can. You can come up
as private or spam or something else. Can you take your man the women,
he add but he didn't discriminate. Yeah, it was all on the
board, all over the board, all over the board. He was.
He was a man of passion, and I'll say that passion. She never
got married. I have had a lot of problems with the the uh the
tiger situation personally. Uh, not for the reasons that you're gonna think.
I think that this is none of anybody's fucking business. And the fact that
this guy had to come out and have a press conference that was packed with
his mother sitting in the front of rosters. When he came out and talked
about all this that I thought it was right before the mass I don't remember
when exactly. It was just a biography. Wanted him to apologize. He
goes, it's none of your business. But he did, Yeah, he
did. He did. He came out and he apologized. So there was
this whole press and he said, I thought, my Buddha faith and I
will get back to being this. But your mom sitting in the front row,
and I'm going, you know, that's my point with like the teacher,
we talked about, everybody in your family, in your inner circle will
always know this about you forever you were in the back seat at three o'clock
in the morning with a seventeen year old boy who ran away when the cops
showed up and you were naked. That that is in print around the globe
and in their seared into the frontal cortex of the brain of your family members
from a biography. Yes, but I I hated and so I go.
You take that the Omaha lady and she doesn't have to get up and apologize
in front of everybody. With a press conference and cameras and snapping. That
room was fucking packed. I think it was like some pr move whatever the
thing was. But it wasn't losing popularity. Well people, there were people.
There were some uh, there were some women I had heard. I'm
so disappointed. And Tiger, well, you know what, it's it's none
of your business. I I will sleeping with them, so don't worry about
it. It's a strange world. Doesn't do anything with your life with My
father used to always say, it's it's a strange world when you have to
declare your bedroom habits at the door, meaning that you have to identify as
gay or you have to identify for those people who don't want to say anything.
Now, there were some people that, you know, the war,
they're hard on their sleeve, and if they did want to walk out with
their partner, you really couldn't do that years ago without being shunned completely from
society. We've sort of turned that around. I remember people in the bar
like, don't you feel for Tiger? Don't you feel for Tiger. I'm
like, fuck Tiger. I'm like, this guy's got a billion dollars women
all over the world, and he's he can hit a seventy two blindfolded boo
fucking who. I did feel bad for Tiger because of that, just for
that one thing. Ever, down there, you're one of the most most
popular people walking earth. Yeah, you know, every woman watch you.
You're very athletic, you're in your prime wait for all that. In the
biography, Charles Barkley told him the same thing. Yeah, don't get married.
But the problem until you're thirty five forty. He's such a nerd,
and he said, like the way he sounds as is the way I think
he really is. He's kind of a point exture, you know what I
mean, And that sort of I had heard or read. I think Rolling
Stone years ago did an article about how Tiger Woods went backstage at a YouTube
concert, but he had asked to see the set list because he didn't know
any of the songs. So when they came back, you go, hey,
man, love when you play Sunday, Bloody Sunday, that's such a
hit, right, I don't know. I just remember reading that and I
think it was rolling Stone. So your your whole life has been this.
I mean, he was one thing forever. Usually the kids that are propelled
like that, pushed like that. You were on the Tonight Show at three
years old doing your thing. That's a stage daddy you had, right.
I mean he was really living vicariously through the kid. A lot of times
it blows up, the kid ends up resenting, hating you doing it.
I mean, you know you were lucky you got a kid who followed through
and absolutely, yeah he loved it. Yeah, it was great at it
and still is pretty good. But I like the Scottie Shuffler. I was
talking to my dad with he's, uh, he's waiting for his first kid
to be worn. Okay, I think he's twenty six, got married,
churchgoer, and I think I think you're gonna see I think in sports some
of the more church and Jesus making the comeback, which I think is great
for today's society. What do you mean, well, just to try to
be more grounded and maybe think about the ten commandments before you run off.
You you've got people in football beating their wives and all these accusations against them.
Then you've got young kids, mostly from Penn State in the finals.
After they win, they're wrapping their they've got headbands. I love Jesus.
Nothing wrong with that. No, you know, no, I don't think
there was anything one of that. I just definitely not. It's better than
being accused of forty four women, you know, being raped and then having
the charges dropped and you're getting what one hundred and sixty million dollars guaranteed the
quarterback from the Browns and then it didn't even work out. Oh yeah.
But there's a lot of little stuff out there that you hear. With these
pro athletes, I just think they're untouchable. Well, the problem is that
in athletics, and you can think back to when you were in school,
the ones that were revered were the ones who had athletic prowess, and so
all your life take it like when you meet the guys at the NFL and
we go, well, how can they act this way? They have been
treated like they were they walked on water since they were little kids, because
they were better at something than anybody else. And I always say, do
you know how good you have to be to suck at the NFL? Do
you know how good you have to be just to get the shot to get
there, to get a try out, to get stiff, to have someone
have your name on their roster. You gotta be pretty. You got to
be pretty damn good. And that is a rural sport. So when I'm
watching, you know, when I when I see this, I always think
every guy who's playing, that's starting in the NFL has been the best at
every level they played all the way through, and so they were always treated
differently, always because that's what we do. We revere sports athletes. And
so when we hear about Stefan Diggs, he's a real asshole. He's a
real pain. Yeah, well worse, you know. I mean, maybe
we we love the humble athlete. Everybody does, but could you imagine who's
going to turn out normal when everywhere you went, You're like, hey man,
you're the best. Love when you you know you're you're a hero.
You're a hero from the time you were Pop Warner was crazy. I don't
know. I'll tell you what when I want. My kid played in high
school and then to Division one. Yeah, but Mike kid played in Alabama,
right, and he was on a twelve under team. And I watched
the way they treated the kids that were good, and it is the same
way I watched it with my own eyes. There was this kid, they
called him Speedy. He was great. He was great. He was a
little kid, a great athlete, great arm all the kids. The way
the kids, the peers looked at that kid was exactly how that'll go on
for the rest of his life if he keeps his athletic ability. What happened
to Speedy? I don't, I don't. I don't know, because my
son stopped playing football. I actually asked about Speedy and he told me Speedy
was doing great. You know, playing football had changed to receiver from quarterback.
That was the only thing. But uh yeah, I mean these so
I go all your life, at every level, you've been the best.
What do you think is gonna happen? Right? What you gonna do.
All right, Doug, I'm gonna go out to the tally ho. We're
gonna ask the girls. Okay, question number one, Yes, do you
like short fit guys that are fifty three years old? Maybe not that one.
Can I slide that in there? Yes? I like it. I
like that. What's best about a guy his looks, his physique or his
bank account? All right, I can throw that in there, Yeah,
physique, a bank account. Because I was thinking like, this would be
will she know? Much like we played the last time, so it would
be things like, uh, the first atomic bomb was dropped on what Japanese
city? Will she know it or not? No? I could probably say
Kung Fu Panda. Well, I hope she does. But I'm thinking questions
like that. Who is the creator of the classic book of characters Tom Sawyer
and Huckleberry finn Mark Twain? Yeah? Well Hiroshima? Right, but I
like to Hiroshima? Yeah. Uh. What do you call the three trailing
dots that indicate a mission of on a text? So no one will know
this to be continued. Yeah, well it's called the ellipses, yea.
The three dots what force pulls objects towards Earth's core and keeps humans from floating
in the sky. Gravity, It would be did you have to ask in
a question? Did you just ask that as a question? Is that gravity?
Well? I was watching Jeopardy where a woman in a woman made the
ten and final history of money grabs. I think ninety seven thousand dollars.
Wow. Yeah, that's pretty damn good. Yes it is. So there's
a kid that I had yesterday. We mentioned I'm trying to see if I
can get him on he uh, he got himself in some trouble at his
school. He had made some fake email accounts. The school realized they were
fake email accounts, and he was trying to get other kids in trouble for
doing things whatever. It sounded like silly kid stuff. And then he somehow
faxed so they said facts you can fax from computers. But this sounded like
there was a cover page. So I don't know if he went to Kinkos
or anywhere, but he faxed in as the principal and faxed in his resignation
letter as the principal. And apparently this kid is messed with the prinsual lot.
But the dumb kid put his cell phone number on the cover page,
so they were able to figure out who it was. So I want to
talk to this kid so badly, and I'm trying to see if I can
get him on. We've made contact, and I just I don't know.
In a way, he's my hero because I always go the kids. Those
are the kids that were told a lot of times, you'll amount to nothing.
It's the classic movie, you know, it's always the wise ass he
amount to nothing. I had a kid in school that was a little bit
younger than me, and he was in accelerated classes, so he would be
like in if he was in ninth grade. He was taking chemistry or something
right, which in my school he couldn't take to you or junior. So
this kid, he's in a biology class and the teacher was a newer teacher,
and she said, we're going to have an end of year party,
just like he did when you were in elementary school. So somebody says,
can we bring in beer, because that's what you'll ask when you're fourteen fifteen
years old, and they, oh, my god, no, Well he
brings in the beer, or somebody does. He gets a hold of it.
They say, if you open that, you're in big trouble. He
opens it, and they wind up throwing him out of a public school.
Throwing him out so he didn't graduate. He had to go the only school.
I think that once you were banned by public school, I'm not sure
there was anyone that would take you. I'm not I don't know. And
we lived in it. There were no other schools really in our area that
you could go to. It was the There was the largest school district in
New York State per square mile, two hundred square miles for the Pine Plain
Salers School school one school, two hundred square miles everything, football team,
no, no, no, no, no, it was two hundred square
miles. When you're going around, it just means like area wise, that's
what it covered in square miles. No, you were a half hour away
from anything, Okay, So this uh so there was no busting to get
him anywhere else. So this kid, he was probably sixteen or something,
drops out of high school, goes to the community college, gets his ged
gets his associate's degree, goes on to NYU, learned Japanese, went and
taught over in Japan, and now is some major financial rich motherfuckers. Wow.
And I loved it because I go that was a smart ass that everybody
wrote off, as you know, and he was in accelerated classes and things,
but still paining the ass and all this stuff. And I go,
this kid who's messing with the principal, he'll probably become something we should if
he takes that, you should keep his name and every year but in your
memory, so it pops up and give him a call. Hey, what's
going on? Yeah, well i'll have to see. I'm hoping I can
get him on the podcast tomorrow. Well, some of those people that just
feel that I'm smarter than you and can show it. I mean, like
your friend or whoever was open the beer, what are you going to do
to me? Right right, right right? Well, they threw him out.
That was it they were. It was out. There was like a
whole uh because you though, I think you have what's called a superintendent's hearing,
so like they can only suspend you for so many days, and then
if they feel like the punishment is more severe than that or deserves a more
severe punishment, they go to what's called a superintendent's hearing. And if the
superintendent's hearing, usually whatever the worst case scenario is is what happens. Because
so they try to make it so they bring in witnesses and it's like a
real court hearing, but it's all against you and your parents can be there
and you're allowed to cross examine the witnesses. It's a really uncomfortable process,
to say the least, and it never ends. Well. You think that
superintendent's out in Omaha, are gonna be talking about the teacher, like,
hey, anybody get your pictures, what do you want to do with this
back in? But the superintendent at this kid's school was in Baldwinsville. You
know where that is. My father knows, he knows a shortcut to Baldwinsville.
He does fucking worst Riode I ever took. We went to twenty years
ago, we went to a family reunion and he goes, we'll get there.
I know the shortcut through Baldwinsville. Every side street had a stop sign,
and my father, being a school bus driver, would stop, pause
and go down. And I'm in the backseat looking at thirty seven stops forever
and it's been a running joke for forever. It was just it was just
so long and agonizing. Well years ago, the superintendent, Hi, Dad,
of the uh yeah exactly. I was, oh, God. Uh,
the superintended at Baldwinsville was crowdsurfing at some student event. The superintendent of
the Baldwinsville schools, okay, crowdsurfing, crowdsurfing, and then I believe that
night got a d w I and obviously lost his gig. But let me
let me see if I think I have the story, uh, somewhere quickly
where I can find it this, Yeah, because there was a picture of
him and these they have the crowdsurfing. That's tough for teachers. You know,
you want to let loose, but you can't let anybody see it because
it's going to get back and it hurts your reputation. And that's why you
go home, where you go out where you know what I mean, how
far out can you go? I mean, if you're a teacher in Fairport
Darien Lake in a concert with everybody else, Yeah, well, who's letting
looseake to go crowdsurfing at a high school event? Who's letting loose to get
in the backseat of a car with a seventeen years levels of craziness? That
was my question. Well, anyway, I'll find all this stuff. We'll
see if we you know, anam dot com is a billion dollar corporation.
It's just selling the same two or three people every month. Oh, no
it is not. No, it's your neighbors. Yeah, it's probably you
know what it could be? What it could be, Dave could be?
No, you don't think so. No, what do you mean you might
be surprised I don't want to be surprised that Elvis uniform. The uniforms Elvis
costume may have gotten more of a workout than you even know. Yeah,
getting at it off. At that time, he was too tired to do
anything. I love me now it's more. I love those chicken tenders.
What else is sweet and sour? What else is going on in Doug's world?
Before we wrap it up? Oh? What is going on? When
are you giving shout outs? You always give shout outs. You look in
your mirror like roper room. You give shout outs to the people who liked
your picture. Yeah, I do, gosh, damn it. I might
have a couple of comedy gigs coming up in the mooslade and uh nice?
Any other fun things he met a lady? Nothing? No, I haven't
been out too much. No want to well, golf season's coming, up.
Yeah, so got to get in shape for that. Yeah, I'm
drinking more. Doug keeps wanting to have a weight loss competition. Yes,
and I forgot to bring in the scale. I'll make a note to bring
in the scale and I'll do it with you. I'll do a weight loss
competition. But Doug's like, yeah, I gotta give it. Shows me
a picture that popped up his memories. I go, who's that meaning?
The other guy goes, that's me. I go, no, I know,
well it just mean like you know, I was about one hundred and
eighty ninety pounds back then, nine years ago. And I said, he
goes, I'm working on it. Well kind of it was the most defeated
way of saying I'm trying to lose. He was like, I'm working on
it. Kind of. We got Jacque Michelle, we got Chris English,
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Young, Mike Bliss, Dave McEntee, Rob Rice and robs In And there
you go our followers. Baby, we're growing. That's it, little by
little, we're growers, not showers. It's always been my excuse by for
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