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H Hello, everybody, welcome at
that time again Matt Connerton unleashed. Now

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I have to stop myself because normally
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that track opening track was Savages by
Downhill Rollers. We had the gentleman

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from Downhill Rollers on the show months
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And by the way, I think
that's an appropriate song for what Eric Pilcher

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and I are going to be discussing
in a little bit. When he calls

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in, you'll understand. But Savages, I love that song. If you're

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looking for it, it's on Spotify. It's everywhere. Savages by Downhill Rollers.

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That's the name of the band.
It's really just one guy. He

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does everything. It's it's great.
But so this is where I do the

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intro for the show. But I'm
stopping myself because my friends, for the

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first time ever in the history of
the program, we have a we have

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an intro generated by chat GPT for
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provided by us by our friend Nick
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because he does help me out.
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a remote producer of the show.
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stuff. And I think it's wonderful
and he reminds me of things, and

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so he put this in the Facebook
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see. Maybe we'll vote on it. People can weigh in if they think

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that the chat GPT generated intro and
it's not there's there's no sound to it.

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It's not audio. It's it's a
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We'll see how that matches up to
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say at the beginning of the show. So let's see. Let's see how

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this flows. So this is the
intro generated by chat gptm Ladies and gentlemen,

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Welcome to Matt Connerton Unleashed, brought
to you by the Hopknot in the

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Brady Sullivan Plaza, Clemento's Pizzeria in
Queen City Cabinetry. This radio show is

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all about unleashing the most controversial and
thought provoking discussions on air. Listeners can

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Connerton, or sharing their opinions on
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want to hear your dulcet tones on
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at six zoo three two five zero
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and alter that in real time because
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number, so it's not perfect.
But so I'll repeat that sentence again,

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but with the correct phone number.
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tones on the show, it's best
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sit back, relax, and get ready

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to be unleashed with Matt Connerton.
No, I love it. I love

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that chat GPT. Oh. Nick. Now, this is another thing that's

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great about Nick and his production,
his production duties as a as a as

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an unofficial remote, de facto producer, he takes responsibility for his mistakes,

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and I like that. Not everyone
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room, Oops, wrong number.
I am so sorry. I told that

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number to chat GPT, so we
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human error, but operator error on
that. Oh that's a good pond operator

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because we're talking about a phone number. Get it. I didn't even intend

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that. It just flows out of
me. That's why I'm in Afternoon Drive

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anyway. But uh no, but
that's okay, Nick, You're forgiven for

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the error and thank you for that. So that is a chat GPT generated

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script that I can read at the
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different from what I say. Regardless, also too might be a little a

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little misleading. So in terms of
sponsors, so obviously, anyone who becomes

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a sponsor here of any of the
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a sponsor of that show, but
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But uh so the hop not for
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sponsorship, came in under this show. Matt Connerton unleashed. I believe Clementos,

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both Clementos and Queen City Cabinetry technically
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But by sponsoring the morning Show,
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them on this show as well.
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me what show they came in through
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You know, they're part of this
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So, but the way chat GPT
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you know, they're sponsors specifically of
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WMH ninety five point three. But
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I think it's great this chat GPT. Now, I will tell you

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just a quick side note. So
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and uh, they had put in
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a chat GPT generated intro, you
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kind of thing. So, but
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Hello sir, Hello Matt. Nice
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Well, who knows, it could
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be in progress. Yeah, right, do I still have a classic film

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review this Friday team all the big
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thing, and this is a little
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to talk to you about this off
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uh, you know, the the
comedy special that uh, that you and

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I did together when I flew down
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were recording that comedy that comedy special
and I performed that as well. Well,

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here's what I need you to do. Uh, if you don't mind,

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I need you to edit out all
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and just leave me in it.
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technically the special uh is supposed to
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again. That was very inside.
That's a that's a reference to us,

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Stephen proud of versus uh yeah,
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me, Nat, Yes, I
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you watched that whole interview, otherwise
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you watch that? Yeah? Okay, good? All rights exactly. I'm

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saying I'm worried. I'm like,
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watched the Michael Malice interview with Dave
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all going to be lost on Eric. Yeah anyway, yeah, I mean,

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so, just where do you want
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two of the most insufferable toe rags
in news media no longer have jobs.

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Oh, Stephen Crowder and Candas Owens
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No, No, I'm talking about
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That is true. Hey. By
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want to just uh, Pete Trouble
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I want to give him a special
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that fine gentleman right across the street
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the Hopknot so uh, and it
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he said something, because I wouldn't
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both wearing sunglasses. And I think
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It was at an event at the
Hopknot actually but but it was. It

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was nice to see you, sir, Yes, nice to see you.

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And so oh and by the way, to Eric before we go any further,

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because this is for you specifically,
Scott Robinson, and the chat room

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says, I would love for Eric
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with Nick Nolty. It's a great
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Iver seen it. I've never even
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certainly look into it. Yes,
I in my head, I have summer

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mapped out, yes, yes already, so yes, yes, because you

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know, uh kind of want to
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Yes, because that's what summer's all
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and uh and I will let one
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will indulge me. Oh of course. Last review of June will be Raiders

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of the Lost Start to commemorate the
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watching that with my dad. Oh. I love Raiders of the Lost Start.

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But I also liked Kingdom of the
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I like the fourth one so wow. So yeah. And also,

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by the way, Melanie is asking
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no. She made a recommendation today
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You know, I love Melanie on
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Yes, I love her husband j
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movie. Would you would you get
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there. I understand. Well,
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just it's just an ice bath,
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sometimes an ice bath is just an
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thing, speaking of Freud, because
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of my dad, because my dad
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a guest last night on Patriot Confederation
with Billy Painter and John Grosvenor, and

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that is up and available if you
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funny. They stream it live on
YouTube, but then they take it off

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of But then they don't leave it
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which makes complete sense because YouTube would
strike it if they left it on YouTube.

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So it's up on Rumble. So
if you want to see it,

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don't go there right now, obviously, please wait until later after the show.

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But if you go to rumble dot
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the Bearded Patriots the Bearded Patriots channel
on Rumble, and you'll see my dad

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was on last night's episode of Patriot
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between, half halfway in between,
halfway into the show. So it's an

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at one hour show. My dad
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and you can hear his discussion with
them. So there you go. I

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always enjoy being on Outlaw Radio whenever
I'm asked and whenever I'm able to.

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Yeah, it's a great time.
Yes, yes, yes, so I

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enjoy discussions with Billy. By the
way, Nick Murdock says, I would

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take an ice bath with every one
of Maddie's listeners at the same time,

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even I don't even care. I
love all of you. That's very nice.

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I would have to be a very
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ice bath, I would think,
though, to fit us all in it.

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to be like an addendum. Uh
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He did say all uh you know, and uh yeah, I like

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to I like to imagine just uh, Eric, I like to imagine just

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millions of people around the globe,
just uh, just tuning in right now,

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hearing, hearing, hearing us.
Uh, well, I know one

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person that would crush that dream for
you. Oh my goodness, yes,

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I mean yeah, he's a he's
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trash heap of Jersey. So yeah, oh that that could be a couple

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of people. But I think I
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on the ice path. He needs
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yes, Now, uh so can
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ice bath? Can you have what
an ice bath? Can you have a

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bath bomb? I thought it the
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bomb. A bath bomb. Yeah. If Charles wants bubbles, that's oh

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he needs bubbles in room temperature, so

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it would have to be warmer,
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exactly exactly. I think that's his
way of politely saying he'll pass. I

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understand, Charles, I understand,
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quickly and then uh, and then
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discussion. But coming up at five
pm today, five pm Eastern. UH.

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Here on the show, we're gonna
be joined by Becoming Human. That's

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our musical guest today, all the
way from Texas. We're gonna play at

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the top of the art. We're
gonna play Scars their recent single, and

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then after our conversation, we we'll
be talking with Uh. After we talk

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with Becoming Human, we're gonna play
the new single. Uh. What was

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the way I forgot that? I'm
so bad. I forgot the title so

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much for my millions of listeners,
they'll just shut me off. Um,

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oh no, wait, oh no, here it is. I'm sorry,

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I'm confused. Our World. I
wanted to say it was called one World,

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but it's actually called Our World.
So I'm glad I checked. Yeah,

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there you go. So that'll be
that'll be coming up today in the

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second hour. But Eric, yes, uh so, Tucker Carlson and Don

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Lemon of course both out and we
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I mean Fox just settled a multi
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major part of a major Yes,
and then I mean don Lemon. I

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do we really need to go down
the list of reasons CNN had here?

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how you It was something about how
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Tucker was worse, the worse of
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them both both as equally bad.
And I and you made an interesting point

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about that, and I want you
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because I said, well, I
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same, and I don't think they're
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your your point was interesting, So
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to that in a moment, but
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UM. You know, with Tucker
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um really put I would say,
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Tucker Carlson did by being the the
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is commonly referred to as the big
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and he helped to fuel all of
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January sixth and so forth. So
I think Tucker Carlson has done direct damage

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to the country in a way that
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that would be my argument. So
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Carlson uh as truly contemptible. I'll
be honest with you. Don Lemon to

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me was always kind of I never
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way or another. UM, but
I know that there are some stories about

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and behind the scenes that sound pretty
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So that would be my argument.
But but I but tell us,

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tell us your thoughts, please what
I what I said, And I still

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believe this is Don Lemon was on
a lease, Tucker was not. Huh.

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If Don Lemon didn't, If Don
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was given, he would have been
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if they would have left him on
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just let him go. Now that
is an interesting That is an interesting point

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because you're right about you know,
obviously on Fox they let Tucker do whatever

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he wanted, no matter how uncomfortable
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They they they let him even even
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dominion. They Tucker Carlson went on
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saw this clip. He went on
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with comments unbelievable and uh and that
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regard Yeah, yeah, and I
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with this firing. Um, don
lemon, ahead, go ahead, Eric,

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I think I think with Tucker,
it's okay. We just settled a

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multimillion dollar laws because of you,
right, and you you are doing the

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same things over and over is over
again? Yeah? When do we say

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enough? Yeah, like you have
your primary base. The leader of your

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primary base, Mitch McConnell standing at
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basically saying I don't like Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson was wrong and that's bad.

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Those are very bad optics if your
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had a lot to do with it. And no one is talking about Mitch

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McConnell's rebuke of Tucker after he aired
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yeah, yeah, And people need
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unlike DNN, they know their base, they embrace their base. And when

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Mitch McConnell came out and said that, in my head, I was like,

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this ain't good for Tucker. This
is not good for Tucker approaching primary

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season. Yeah, closer than people
think twenty twenty four elections. Mitch McConnell

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has a lot of poll And when
Mitch McConnell and Matt You're you know more

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about politics than I do, And
I hope you agree. When Mitch McConnell

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says something, the Republicans listen and
they're hard to be some apprehension by some

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bid name Republicans like do I upset
the base? And do I dare talk

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with this guy? I think that
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So I partially agree in the sense
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in the Senate. Um. But
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I don't think I disagree with you
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I don't think Fox cares what Mitch
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what the audience thinks, and I
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um, So, first of all, you know, they just settled the

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lawsuit with Dominion. Now Smart Maddock
is next, and so so Tucker may

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have been a sacrificial lamb. Also
Abby Grossberg, apparently this this might be

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the real this might be the be
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former producer. Uh, we don't
know yet what exactly what she has

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to say in court. Um,
but she is suing, and uh,

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you know there there may have been
anti semitic comments. And I have some

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new I have some new things that
I found today about what she is saying.

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Oh, I have not heard about
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Yeah, is a Grossman or Grossberg? I believe it's Grossberg, but I

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keep I keep hearing people Rosberg.
I'm sorry. Yeah, I know that

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that that was something, And I
love the way you frame that because I

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know that something down the road.
Yeah. People are like, like,

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if you read articles from like Reuters
and BBC News, that's at the end

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of the article, right right,
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something definitely worth considering that. Okay, we settled two lawsuits. There's two

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more. Um, and if it
comes out that Tucker did say anti Semitic

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statements, which I'm not saying he
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right right, Um, I'm gonna
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eight that he did, fifty three
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would think that because he generates ratings
for the network, he can say whatever

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you want. Well, that's the
thing, and whatever it is, clearly

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it has uh uh, it has
them very very worried because he not only

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the number one host on Fox,
the number one host in all of cable

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news. Um, which is probably
why he thought he could get away with,

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you know, for example, sort
of poking the bear after the lawsuit

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was settled with dominion. Um.
So whatever it is, it it's bad

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and they needed to uh, they
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Now you're you're just thought us too. Yeah. You look at who the

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preemptive nominee is going to be for
the Republican Party. He loves Tucker,

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does he his boys? Oh that
but that gets that gets uh. That's

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a complex relationship there because Yeah,
he loves Tucker in the sense that Tucker

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public he says many glowing things about
him. But remember we learned one of

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the things that we learned from those
text messages that came out in Discovery,

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and I have not heard Tucker explain
this, and probably because there is no

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explanation he can offer. Privately,
Tucker was texting about how much he hates

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Trump and he couldn't wait for Trump
to go away. What did he say

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in one text message? I think
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I saw an interview with I forget
who it was who was interviewing him.

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Somebody was interviewing Trump and asking Trump
about Tucker's firing, and he was pretty

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abrasive on him. Not abrasive,
touch shorter. Well, the thing is,

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so he's asked about it, and
Trump is answering, and he's he's

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saying things about He's saying things like, yeah, you know that it's too

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bad, But he's got this little
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It was one of those instances where
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The smirk was very subtle. But
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and so you know, for those
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is. You know, he's not
getting one over on us, right,

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So he's got this little subtle but
it's there. It's there. He's got

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this smirk because I mean, how
awkward must have it been for Trump and

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Tucker sitting down recently for that interview
where Tucker was interviewing Trump. And obviously

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Trump knows all the terrible things Stucker
said about him. But I think with

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Trump it's all about what you say
publicly ultimately, right, So a complex

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relationship. He doesn't care what you
say about him privately as long as you

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give him the adulation he guilty deserves
publicly. Yes, yes, But to

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kind of circle back to your point
about Don Lemon, so it is true.

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I mean Don Lemon, they had
restraints on him because he was demoted,

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and you know, they tried to
spend it as not a demotion at

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the time, but he but it
is a demotion when you're when you're in

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prime time and then you're moved to
mournings and in your primetime spot, you

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were the host and now you're sharing
your morning time slot with two other hosts.

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to eleven PM at night and mornings, uh, you know the mornings are

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are are kind of you know second
to that. It's it's it's the opposite

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of like like in radio, it's
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drive is prime time and then afternoon
drive is second and so on. So

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um but uh but for him,
so obviously that was a demotion. So

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but um, I guess I don't
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bad for a couple of reasons.
So so one one, Eric, I

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would just say, yeah, you
can say if if Don Lemon didn't ever

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restraints on him, he would have
just been the left's version of Tucker Carlson

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full bore. But but that's a
that's a hypothetical. You can't prove it.

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the other thing I would say is,

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I don't know what exactly Don Lemon, even if he had become sort

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of the extreme left version of Tucker
Carlson, I don't know what he even

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in that in that scenario, I
don't know what he would have done that

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would have been as damaging as what
Tucker Carlson did. Like I see any

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anyone who directly contributed to the Big
lie and directly contributed to uh what happened

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January sixth, which I use the
term insurrection. I think it's an appropriate

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term to use. UM. I
I don't know what Don Lemon would have

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ever done that would have possibly matched
that in terms of damage to the country.

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You know what I'm saying, and
that's fair. I let me just

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preface this by saying, I try
not to be biased. I am not

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a Don Lemon fan. I do
not like him. UM. I think

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when you use your position as a
journalist, and I've said this so many

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times on your show, the responsibility
of all of us. You're a journalist.

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I'm a journalist. Even the jealous
one in its own deranged way,

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is a journalist. The freedom of
the press, the amendment that calls for

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freedom of the press calls us watch
dogs for the public. It doesn't say

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watch dogs for the Republican public.
It doesn't say watchdogs for the lgbt QI

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public. It doesn't say there's no
addendum to that. And when you use

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your power, and like Tucker did, and like Don Lemon did in the

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Juicy Smoke, Malay K. Smollett
whatever his name is, too, was

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told something off the record and then
told someone under an investigation for multiple selonie

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that he was a suspect. Yeah, and to law he should lawyer up.

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That is reprehensible to me. And
you're right, it's nowhere near what

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Tucker did it. What Tucker did
with that video for me was the last

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straw. Oh yeah, yeah,
to sit there and paint this idea that

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January six follow it wasn't as bad
as we thought. Look at that if

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he's just walking in I know,
no people fall for that. I say,

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I've actually stolen your line many times
to debate people on this. Yeah,

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they brought damn gallows. Yeah,
like you don't bring gallows with you

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somewhere Just for shell Well the thing
that I like to say too, and

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for anyone who's who's unclear what what
Eric is referring to. As you know,

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Kevin McCarthy gave Tucker Carlson the video
surveillance footage of January six, and

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then Tucker does a segment showing h
showing peaceful moments from that and saying,

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see, see, no big deal. The media has been lined you see.

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Uh it really was just a tourist
event. See And uh, you

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know What I like to say is
it would be like if um if if

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if if somebody committed an armed robbery
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defense attorney for the h the assailant
gets up in court and says, well,

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listen, you know the prosecute.
They showed you. They showed you

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the minute of surveillance camera footage that
day of my suspect committing that armed robbery.

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But what are they hiding from you? They didn't show you the other

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twenty three hours and fifty nine minutes
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Ah. Yeah, they're hiding that
from you, aren't they. I'm

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going to show you that and prove
that my client is not guilty. You

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know, it would be the equivalent
of that. But you know, yeah,

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and and so and let's not let's
not act like that, Don lemon

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And I'm not accusing you of this, Matt, I'm yea in generality,

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Yeah, yeah, let's not act
like that. Don Lemon Is was someone

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that was just caught off guard and
was told, you know, there were

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warning signs that hey, this needs
to stop me personally, I think the

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decision was made in UH when the
UH stuff wouldn't when the whole thing,

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the Nicky Haley controversy happened. Yes, I think the decision was made done.

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Actually, Melanie in the chat room
just referred to that with a great

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comment. She said, I just
hope they didn't pair Don Lemon with any

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women past age thirty. Uh,
they are just past their prime. He

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can't be expected to work under those
conditions. I actually that's a very fair

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point by Melanie. I honestly think
that the two women he was paired with

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are over the age of thirty.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Well. But but in Don Lemon's
defense, he did google it.

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He did google it, so you
know, yeah, you know what,

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You're right, he's totally forgiven.
Now. That was that was a very

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very bizarre moment. That was,
Yeah, that was that was a guy

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when when he made those comments about
Nicki Haley being pastor prime. That was

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that was a guy pushing the self
destruct button, you know, right in

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front of him. There was on
his desk, right in front of him.

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He says, I'm just gonna go
ahead and push this button multiple times.

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It's bizarre, and it gets more
and more cringe. Yeah, the

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time you watch it, I don't
know if there's any Office fans in the

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office in the audience. I'm sure
there is. Yeah. It's like my

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favorite episode of the Office date Night. It is one of the most cringe

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inducing episodes of television, comedy television. You will see, Yes, I

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remember it. Yeah, keep watching
it because you're like, what is going

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to happen next? Yeah, And
the worst defense you can give is,

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I'm just telling me what the computer
says. Yeah. There was such a

408
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,480
strange moment because it was one of
those things where you know, even if

409
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480
he's thinking this, how does he
not know not to say this out loud?

410
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,920
It was just bizarre and it was
Yeah, it was just it was

411
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,639
just strange. It was like,
is he trying to get fired? Why

412
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:15,400
would why would you say something like
that. Let's go back to that point.

413
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,920
You have to you would have to
think someone as successful as Dammmen was

414
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,039
has a buyout. Oh yeah,
I'm sure, Yeah he's fine. Some

415
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:37,639
point did he just say you know
what, forget it. I'm I'm going

416
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:45,239
all in. Mm I'm going all
in. Is they're going to get rid

417
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,360
of me? So what I'm gonna
do is I'm gonna make it worth it.

418
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,199
Yeah, it's gonna be worth my
time and I'm going to get paid

419
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,960
and before we dismiss it, yeah, I want to. I want,

420
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,480
really want some thought to be given
to that, because he was obviously unhappy

421
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,480
when they kicked him off Prime Time. And my point about him becoming the

422
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:22,960
left version of Tucker is really alludes
to his time that he had while he

423
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:31,000
was still on Prime Time. He
was really really he was pushing a narrative

424
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,440
that he wanted to push. Oh, yeah, that's that's true. Yeah,

425
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,760
he had he'd be because you know
what, you know what it was,

426
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,400
Eric, I think that the U
during the Trump administration, they like

427
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:49,440
CNN Primetime just became It became like
MSNBC, whereas I feel like prior to

428
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,480
that, Don Lemon had always been
just more of a straight news anchor um.

429
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:59,159
But then it was like both he
and Chris Cuomo, who was still

430
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,800
there at the time, through most
of the Trump administration, they just kind

431
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,239
of became they became MSNBC light um. Oh, by the way, I

432
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,920
just want to say so, Melanie
said in the chat room, why are

433
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,360
you trying to rationalize a blatant sexist
comment. No, I don't think anyone's

434
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,639
trying to rationalize that, Melanie.
I mean, and I don't know if

435
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,960
that was directed at Eric or me
or both of us, but I mean,

436
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,400
I was just saying, why would
you even if you have a thought

437
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,679
like that, why would you say
it out loud knowing it's going to wreck

438
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,960
your career? But no, no, I would never rationalize what donay?

439
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,360
Oh yeah No, His comment was, yeah, I was blatantly sexist.

440
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:39,440
Absolutely. It's my point is he
had an ulterior motive in doing it.

441
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:47,039
He didn't like, he didn't just
say that he knew he I think he

442
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:52,000
was honestly when he did it.
He he was like, you know what,

443
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,880
I'm just going to say whatever I
want. And if they fire me,

444
00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:00,960
they fire me. Yeah. What
he didn't plan for? What he

445
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:08,280
what he didn't plan for? And
this is this, And I honestly believe

446
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:16,559
this is CNN to kick him off
the air for three days to the broadcaster

447
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:22,920
I forgot about that is more humiliating
than being fired. I'd forgotten about that

448
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:30,400
your off air. Your program is
still going off. And that's true.

449
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:36,639
The world is still moving, but
it's moving without you. That's a good

450
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:38,960
point. Yeah, that train keeps
a rolling, whether you're on it or

451
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,840
not. Yeah, yep. And
I honestly think during those three days,

452
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:52,360
executives saw some things. And then
i'm this is just me speculating. I

453
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,559
have no inside knowledge. I don't
know, I have none of that.

454
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:01,880
Yeah, But what they did is
they're like, hmm, the train rolls

455
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,320
smoother right now, what's going on. It's like when the bad employee is

456
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:15,159
on a vacation and then the company
finally realizes. It's like the light bulb

457
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:22,920
went off and they're like, m
Okay, well, let's see if he

458
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,920
comes back he gets on board with
what we're trying to do here. Yeah,

459
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:37,519
And I think he came back and
he just I think he came back

460
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:50,079
and he just, uh, he
just kept doing what he was supposed to

461
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:53,320
be doing. Yeah. Well,
if some of the stories that we hear

462
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,079
about him being unpleasant to work with
are true, then it was probably nice

463
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:00,440
not having him there for a few
days. And then he came back and

464
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,039
it wasn't so nice. And you
know that might have been. By the

465
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,559
way, I want to ask you
two about that, because the prevailing theory

466
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:13,559
that I see online Eric is that
this had to do with um the very

467
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,639
see I wouldn't even consider it in
an argument, but the very spirited discussion

468
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:20,599
that he had with v VEC.
How do you say his last name?

469
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:24,559
Is it remass Away? I heard
my dad say it on Billy's and John

470
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:28,920
Rovenor's show flawlessly, But I struggled
with his last name. But you know

471
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,800
who I'm talking about. You've seen
the segment, right, is his?

472
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:35,960
Uh? Yes? So dad mentioned
it to me on one of my poth

473
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:42,079
Oh okay, yeah, I don't
think. I don't think that that segment

474
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:45,039
had anything to do with it.
I think every because that that seems to

475
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:47,360
be the prevailing theory, but I
think that's wrong. I don't think that

476
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,079
that segment was I don't I don't
think they fired him for that. I

477
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,000
mean, to me, it was
just I think that might have been the

478
00:40:55,079 --> 00:41:00,039
straw that broke the camel's back.
Do you really think so? I do,

479
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:07,480
because we got to look at optics
here. He essentially to me he

480
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:19,239
was borderline questioning someone's someone's blackness.
And when you wrote a book about fighting

481
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,239
the fire of racism, a book
that bombed, by the way, it

482
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:30,280
did awful. Oh dude, I
literally forgot about his book. So yeah,

483
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:34,880
I understand bombed. Yeah, I
forgot. I forgot the book even

484
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,880
existed. I forgot he wrote it. Yeah when when the book failed as

485
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:46,440
miserably as his dead Yeah, I
don't. I'm actually on my way to

486
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,199
a Barnes and Noble right now.
I don't even think they probably carry it

487
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,599
in s thought, because why take
up the shelf space, right, And

488
00:41:55,039 --> 00:42:04,000
keep in mind they do carry books
by day the Duke. Let's put the

489
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:09,119
perspective here. They will carry books
written by David Duke. But Don Lemon's

490
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:16,039
book is a no go wow.
Yeah, think about that. Well,

491
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:22,039
but but in fairness, it's not
like you can't write the things he says

492
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:29,239
in the things he has promoted and
talk like that. M I don't know.

493
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:35,159
I think I think CNN at that
point, I think if nothing else

494
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,960
would have happened, if even if
the Nikki Hayley thing wouldn't have happened and

495
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:43,760
he did that, they probably would
have been like, Don, this is

496
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:50,199
a But the behind the scenes stuff
of that is they had politicians saying we're

497
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:53,960
not coming on the morning show anymore
after that? Oh is that true?

498
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:57,800
See I didn't know that. I
didn't catch that. Is that? Yes,

499
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,199
there were politicians that were saying,
we're we're not. No. Oh,

500
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:08,320
that's that's interesting because if if if
that's if that's true because cable news,

501
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:14,239
well and corporate media in general,
big media is all about access,

502
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:21,440
and um, that's uh. I
don't I'm sure you don't. Obviously you're

503
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,599
not a fan of his politics.
I don't know how you feel about him

504
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:27,119
beyond that. But jenk Huger,
Uh, I don't know if you've ever

505
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,039
heard his story about when he left
MSNBC after not being there for very long.

506
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:36,079
Because Phil Griffin, who I think
might still be in charge there at

507
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,519
MSNBC, he was at the time. He told Jenk, Um, you

508
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:44,440
know you're you're attacking democrats too much. You need to only attack Republicans.

509
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,199
Because you're attacking democrats. We're we're
starting to hear from from some people in

510
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,000
Washington that aren't happy with you,
And Jenk is going, what do you

511
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:55,920
mean? This is? Uh?
Why why shouldn't I attack anybody who I

512
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,880
think is doing something wrong on on
my show? And Phil Griffin told them

513
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:06,320
because now they're not wanting to come
on, they're not wanting to come on

514
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:12,920
MSNBC because you're attacking democrats. You
know, you're you're affecting our access.

515
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,440
Uh, And it's it's and that's
the thing. It's all about access.

516
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,440
It's all about access, and it's
all about optics. And you know,

517
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:30,079
Don Lennon, really if that is
the case, again, we go back

518
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,519
to the point I made when I
first called in mid We're coming up to

519
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:42,519
primary season, We're coming up to
twenty twenty four elections. If there's politicians

520
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:49,639
that aren't going to want to come
on air, these nominees or these candidates

521
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:58,239
seeking a nominee are going to want
They're going to want endorsements. In the

522
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,920
worst way to get those indoors Smiths
is to do something that the people you

523
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:12,840
want the endorsement from doesn't like.
And so yeah, I think CNN made

524
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:20,239
this move towards the future. Yeah, they were just like, Okay,

525
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:30,400
well we really really have to consider
what is happening here. And so I

526
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:37,440
think there was a lot of things. Um, I if Don Lemon wants

527
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:43,440
to blame someone for him being fired
from CNN, don Lemon should look in

528
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:50,920
the mirror because it's all Don Lemon. Same with Tucker Carlson. Yes,

529
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,199
it was shocking to see both of
them. Let go Yeah, but was

530
00:45:54,239 --> 00:46:04,000
it? Were you really just like
man for no reason whatsoever? Actually,

531
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:06,760
you know, you know, as
you were talking to it occurs to me

532
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,920
it was probably a lot easier for
CNN to get rid of Don Lemon then

533
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,880
for Fox to get rid of Tucker, just from a business standpoint, because

534
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,320
Tucker Carlson, like like we were
saying, you know, the the biggest

535
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,639
name in all of cable news in
terms of ratings. Whereas Don Lemon was

536
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:28,639
he was he still worth that big
contract that he had at this point.

537
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:30,079
You know, they took him off
primetime, they put him on the Morning

538
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,320
Show. I don't know what their
ratings were like, but they took him

539
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,800
off a primetime. When they took
him off primetime, my understanding is that

540
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,239
the deal was completely renegotiated. Oh
I didn't know that, Okay, that

541
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:50,760
the deal was great, heavily amended. The ratings were all for CNN show.

542
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,840
Well that's the thing. If the
ratings are bad, then he's not

543
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,559
worth anything. So that's so from
a business standpoint, like for Fox to

544
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,960
cut Tucker loose probably really well,
we know it hurt, look at what

545
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,920
happened to the stock um. But
for but for CNN, to get rid

546
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,480
of Don Lemon. From a business
standpoint, if the ratings were bad,

547
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:14,599
then you know, probably no big
deal. Yeah, let's just yeah,

548
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:15,960
let's just cut him loose. He's
more trouble in he's worth you know.

549
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:22,320
Yep, I agree with that.
I think the Don Lemon's story has been

550
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:29,039
written. It's over, it's done. On the other hand, I think

551
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:32,840
we're going to find out a lot
more on the Tucker Carlson side of thing.

552
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:40,679
Oh yeah. I really think when
these two lawsuits, when the evidence

553
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,639
comes out, we're gonna be like, oh boy. I don't think it's

554
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:52,760
gonna be up at the level of
Roger Ailes because nothing is going to touch

555
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:58,719
that was a train wreck. Yes, yes, yeah, there's quite a

556
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,039
few people who've been pushed out the
door it fox over the years. Um.

557
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,119
I don't think it will be nowhere
near Roger Ailes. But I think

558
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:12,480
what will be like is uh huh, okay, well that was justified m

559
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,920
hey By. Yeah, go ahead, Oh no, go ahead, man.

560
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:21,840
Well, I just before we run
out of time because it's already approaching

561
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,199
the top of the hour, but
I just wanted to ask you quickly any

562
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:29,559
thoughts on the latest twist and Stephen
Crowder versus Candice Owens. This thing has

563
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:35,440
gotten pretty wild. He's he's he's
publicly accusing her of extortion and now she's

564
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,519
publicly threatening to sue him for defamation
for accusing her of extortion, and uh,

565
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:46,760
it's it's just a lot of fun
to watch this particular drama. You

566
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:52,079
know what, here's what I will
say. You know who I feel bad

567
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:59,440
for who in this situation. The
judge that has to sort this out if

568
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:07,000
it gets that far, because he's
going to be like what like it like

569
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,599
it goes two. This is the
equivalent of I know you are, but

570
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,079
what am I? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's it's just incredible you

571
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:22,679
have a case. And by the
way, for anyone who doesn't know what

572
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,920
we're talking about, obviously everyone knows
Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson because they you

573
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,519
know, big media, corporate media. Everyone knows them, h Stephen Crowder,

574
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,760
Candis Owens, more online media personalities. But I would just say to

575
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,360
anyone if you don't know what we're
talking about, please uh just go on

576
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,440
YouTube again, not right now,
wait till after the show. Just go

577
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,440
on YouTube and type and Stephen Crowder, Candas Owens and hit search. I

578
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:53,039
promise you you will be entertained.
This stuff is crazy. And uh,

579
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:59,599
although I will just say this,
I so it turns out what I guess

580
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:04,480
what can to Owens was hinting about
about Stephen Crowder going through a hard time,

581
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,760
and she may or may not say
more. Uh, it turns out

582
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,480
it has to do with his divorce. I thought it was something else.

583
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:14,920
I thought, you know, maybe
uh, well, you know, maybe

584
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,599
he was hiding. Uh he was
hiding something because the way she hinted at

585
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:22,599
it. You know, I thought
maybe it had something to do with his

586
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,039
sexuality. But apparently it's it's all
about his divorce, and uh, you

587
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,559
know, a big deal. I
mean, people get divorced. But I

588
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,360
guess she thought that, you know, it would be very embarrassing, never

589
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:37,760
coming to conservative divorce mat Well,
yeah, I get oh and apparently in

590
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,159
Texas it's very easy to get a
divorce, much to Stephen Crowder's chagrin.

591
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:50,840
Uh, but it's this is uh
what legal aspect isn't easy in Texas life?

592
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,280
Yeah, I guess, I guess, well in some in some states,

593
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,440
but Texas is a very conservative state, and some concervative states they try

594
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,639
to make getting a divorce. I
mean I used to be when I was

595
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,760
a co host on Rock Paper,
hand Grenades, which was a conservative show.

596
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,800
I was kind of the fly in
the ointment there. But Gary Hopper

597
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,559
god rest is Sole, he passed
away not long ago. He was the

598
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,519
host, but he was actually trying
to make it harder to get a divorce

599
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:22,679
in New Hampshire. He wanted to
make it make it more difficult because he

600
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,519
thought people took divorce too lightly.
And there are states where they do make

601
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:30,159
it more difficult than in Texas.
But apparently in Texas it's very easy.

602
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:40,039
In Iowa, unless you both unless
both member, both people find a document

603
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:47,159
saying that it will not help,
you have to go through couple's counseling before

604
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:52,119
it'll be granted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Apparently it's like that in

605
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:54,400
a number of states. They give
you some hoops to jump through, and

606
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:00,639
apparently in Texas that is not the
case. So of course even prouder.

607
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:09,960
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay,
world's smallest violin let me tell yeah yeah,

608
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:17,599
yeah, literally, editting here and
your boy, your tears, your

609
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:22,960
boy boy, your boy Dan Bongino. Do you know why he's out any

610
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:30,800
news on that? No? What
I'm thinking. What I'm thinking if is

611
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:37,840
that his contract was up for renegotiation. Yeah, and he It's probably something

612
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,840
as simple as Dan thought he was
worth more than what he was worth.

613
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:44,599
Yeah, and they just couldn't come
to an agreement. He'll be fine.

614
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:47,480
He can do a show on Rumble
and he'll He'll probably have millions of viewers.

615
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:52,559
It won't matter, um, I
mean, or maybe Glenn Beck will

616
00:52:52,559 --> 00:53:00,719
write a masterful crying please for him
to join the play yes, like he

617
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,119
did for Tucker. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. Id you read that?

618
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,280
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I've
read that several times and I'm just

619
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:19,639
like, wow, there are so
many like psychological games being played with that

620
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:28,800
statement. There's martyrdom, oh yeah, there's there's victimization, there's gas lighting.

621
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,960
Yeah, I know. Any reputable
therapist would have a field day with

622
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:42,679
that three paragraph post. Yes,
yes, I agree. It's like,

623
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,159
are you kidding me? I know
that's good stuff. Now maybe he'll end

624
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,159
up there, who knows. Eric, we gotta let you go. I've

625
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,480
enjoyed this tremendously, as we always
do, and looking forward to Friday's film

626
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,679
review. I gotta get to uh, I gotta get to this segment,

627
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,639
but we've got a musical guest skyping
in shortly. But thank you, my

628
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:06,079
friend. This is This has been
wonderful as always. That's a great discussion

629
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:09,280
and I always enjoy media drama.
Yes, yes, yes, it's the

630
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,519
gift that always gives. All right, Eric Pilcher, thank you so much

631
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:15,840
and we'll talk to you soon.
Thank you, all right, you got

632
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,039
it, Bye bye. All right. Thought is Eric Pilcher from Cedar Rapids,

633
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,360
Iowa. And of course he does
the classic film review for us every

634
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,840
Friday, and we love that.
But we got to get to a quick

635
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,880
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play this track Scars from Becoming Human, and then we're gonna get the gentleman

637
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670
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671
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Scars from Becoming Human and uh,
Jordan from Becoming Human should be joining

672
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:46,079
us in just a moment via Skype
or or he might call if if Skype

673
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doesn't work out. With Skype doesn't
always work out, so we'll see.

674
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:54,159
But we are live on Matt Connerton
Unleashed from the studios of w m n

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H ninety five point three FM in
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676
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here we go, all right,
pull that up there, Jordan, is

677
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,480
that you yes? Can hear me? Yes? Yes, you sound great.

678
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:10,519
Welcome to the program. Thanks,
thank you, thank you for having

679
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:14,599
me man. I appreciate it absolutely
absolutely. By the way, we've got

680
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:16,679
a couple other people in studio with
us too. Texas Mike is here at

681
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:21,719
the news desk. Hello, Mikey. Yeah, yeah, tex Texas,

682
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,440
you've got you've got a fellow Texan
here, Jordan. Great, great,

683
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:29,360
that's awesome, and it's going to
be in the company of other Texas folks.

684
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,280
Absolutely absolutely, and Miriam banishes here
too. Hello, Miriam and Miriam,

685
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,159
do me a favor. Can you
use that other Mike? You can

686
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:39,639
pull that over yeah that uh that
Mike you're in front of sounds U sounds

687
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:44,719
a little funky so yeah. But
uh so Jordan, welcome. We just

688
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:50,639
played Scars from Becoming Human and and
um, this is um. Now this

689
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,559
is your band, but it's really
not a it's not a band, right

690
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:58,360
you do everything on the tracks,
that's correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

691
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,079
yeah, it's UM, it's just
uh just me and it's an entirely

692
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:07,199
solo project. Okay, okay,
Um do you do you play all the

693
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:10,960
instruments? Uh? Like do you
are you also a drummer or is it

694
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:15,920
electronic drums or how does that work? What's the process? Like? Yeah?

695
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:22,119
Uh so, Um, the drums
are so I compose everything like in

696
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,360
other music programs. Um. The
drums are samples. They're like the best

697
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,039
drum samples I think in the world. Yeah, uh so I use those

698
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,800
and uh but the guitar and bass
is me. The vocals are all me.

699
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:39,760
Uh yeah. The only thing that
I don't have is a I used

700
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,000
to play drums in high school,
so I kind of have that understanding of

701
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,920
how to you know, lay out
a um a drum track and stuff like

702
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,920
that. But um yeah, yeah, it's for the most part told me,

703
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,320
I'm always impressed when, uh,
when I I talked to artists who

704
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,599
who do the uh you know,
when they're not live drums, but they're

705
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:01,679
uh you know us samples and it's
it sounds so it sounds so good.

706
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,719
It sounds you know, it sounds
like live acoustic drums. So I'm always

707
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:09,159
impressive to me, Yeah, yeah, it's um. This is something.

708
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:13,599
I actually took some recording classes a
couple of years ago, and I got

709
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:19,639
to see some guys who are really
high level kind of peel back the curtain

710
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:22,679
as far as uh as like that
kind of production goes. And he was

711
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,440
like, you have no idea.
You guys have no idea how much most

712
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:30,159
songs nowadays don't even have a drummer
anymore. It's all just programmed drums.

713
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,159
It's like it's it was staggering.
They would be like he would be like,

714
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,760
do you think that's real? And
I'd be like, yeah, it

715
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,000
sounds really like yeah, it's a
it's drum trump track or just just tracked.

716
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,639
I was like, wow, that's
pretty cool. So that's kind of

717
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:44,360
made me kind of because I used
to be against that, like heavily when

718
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,880
I was like years ago. I
always wanted to be live drummer and stuff,

719
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:51,400
but now I'm just like, you
know what, I'll just I'll just

720
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,400
give it a try and see what
happens. And I like it. Yeah,

721
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:57,079
yeah, no, it sounds great. And where do you record?

722
01:03:57,159 --> 01:03:59,199
Do you just? Do you record
at home? Do you do it all

723
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,760
yourself or have a producer that you
work with or how does that work?

724
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:08,280
Yeah? I do it all.
It's just in my apartment and in Austin,

725
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,079
Texas, and I don't currently work
with a producer at the moment.

726
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:17,679
My I do like to try to
get like input from everybody when I'm writing

727
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:23,920
these songs, because you know,
sometimes I think what a producer can do

728
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,360
and kind of keep your ego out
of the way a little bit of your

729
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:31,239
writing because you're like, oh,
I want to do something that impresses nobody

730
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,679
but me other musicians, and sometimes
you got to have that person be like,

731
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,199
hey, that doesn't make any sense
or like that doesn't sound that good.

732
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:41,400
I just do it, like,
you know, simplify it a little

733
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,360
bit. That's kind of but my
process as far as that goes. Yeah,

734
01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:47,960
Now, have you always done this
on your own or have you ever

735
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,239
been in a band. No,
yeah, no, this is my first

736
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,639
time doing it on my own.
It's uh. I was so I was

737
01:04:56,679 --> 01:05:00,840
in a band called a Vintage Year
for a long time. We uh we

738
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:06,000
started. I'm originally from Rochester,
New York. Oh okay, so we

739
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:11,199
started there, uh and it was
me and it was basically like my friends

740
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,519
from childhood and a guy who was
a singer we met. He was from

741
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:19,639
Texas originally, and so I was
just a guitar player and he We had

742
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:23,199
a singer and a bass player.
Kind we were kind of like, let's

743
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:27,360
let's try like doing like a stone
temple pilots or like a puddle of mud

744
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,960
type thing, you know, like
four piece rock quartet. And yeah,

745
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:36,639
we did that for years and we
we split up, and I was like,

746
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,280
man, like this kind of sucks, you know, because I wasn't

747
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,639
a singer. I didn't consider myself
to be one at the time at least,

748
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,639
but I really wanted to keep doing
music. But I also didn't want,

749
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:50,400
like, you know, a really
prominent member of the band to be

750
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,320
the reason why, like I'm starting
all over again. So yeah, yeah,

751
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,599
this is my first So now I
just went to I was like,

752
01:05:57,639 --> 01:06:00,280
you know what I'm just gonna do
this my own project by my self.

753
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:04,039
Um, but uh and see if
that works out. And so far as

754
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:06,000
it's pretty good. It is a
lot of work, though, I'm like

755
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:10,480
trying to balance that with my you
know, I'm also an executive chef at

756
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,599
a hotel, so I'm also trying
to balance wearing wearing a lot of different

757
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:16,239
heads. Oh yeah, Is that
is that hard scheduling wise, because it

758
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:20,119
seems like executive chefs usually work.
Uh yeah, that's not a forty hour

759
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:23,400
a week gig, right you're here. There are a lot more than that,

760
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,920
I would imagine. Yeah, it's
all around the clock. Sometimes I

761
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,440
am there like at nighttime. Sometimes
I get calls at like four am,

762
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:35,679
like because there's a breakfast shift.
Uh so, yeah, that's a it's

763
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:41,239
a kind of like like you said, it's it's not easy for like scheduling

764
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,199
wise and stuff like that. How
did you end up in Texas? So

765
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:46,760
did did you move there with the
the other musician you were working with?

766
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,320
Oh? Okay, yeah, I
moved there with a vintage year Um.

767
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:59,039
We were my singers, my old
singers from Houston originally. So we met

768
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:02,360
him in Rochester because his wife was
originally from Rochester. Oh okay, that's

769
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,880
how we That's how we connected.
And and I remember so you know Rochester

770
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,679
winters get get they're they're really snowy. It's like that part of like it's

771
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:15,519
like Lake Ontario, Lake Erie,
you know, we get bombarded with snow

772
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:18,039
every single year. And um,
I asked my old singer, I'm like,

773
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:21,079
hey, what is Texas like,
is that a cool place to like

774
01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:26,320
be a musician? And he's like, uh, yeah, yeah, it's

775
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,440
it's it's nice and uh the weather's
better. So um that's kind of that

776
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:33,760
was like the main driving force was
And we also were like, you know,

777
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,880
Rochester is a is a cool music
city, but we wanted to see

778
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:42,719
if maybe like a bigger market would
make a difference. Uh yeah, which

779
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,880
did. It definitely didn't. But
yeah, yeah, no doubt. We're

780
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,280
in Texas. Are you Are you
in Austin. I'm in Austin. It

781
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,840
is Austin, Okay, yeah,
yeah. Yeah. We've had a lot

782
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,000
of We've had a lot of musicians
on the show from Texas, and it

783
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:59,039
does seem like it's a pretty pretty
vibrant music scene there. Um. Yeah.

784
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,719
Austin is obviously known for music and
and we've you know, we we've

785
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,480
also had guests on from the Dallas
Fort Worth area recently, and uh yeah,

786
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:09,760
it seems like there's a lot going
on there. Um yeah, how

787
01:08:10,119 --> 01:08:15,079
how was the adjustment when you got
there? Um it was different. Yeah,

788
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:19,600
Like it was like, so one
thing I noticed about Austin right off

789
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,119
the bat was it's a lot of
cover bands. Oh okay, So we

790
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,520
actually we were like we were we
moved here like needing a bass player.

791
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:30,840
And it was weird because like we'd
I would so I would, we would

792
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,479
reach out to a basis to who
was interested, and then he'd be like,

793
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,880
oh, like I just want to
do covers and we were like that

794
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:42,119
to me was like really strange because
Rochester is kind of an artist, artsy

795
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,520
like scene. Yeah. So there's
a lot of original music there. I

796
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,199
mean, it's not all good,
but it's it's a lot of original stuff.

797
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,279
Sure, So that was kind of
a big adjustment that I mean,

798
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,640
And that's probably one of the main
driving forces behind me, Like Okay,

799
01:08:55,800 --> 01:09:00,079
let me just like have like like
if I'm in control of all of it,

800
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,000
like you know, it's good if
it's If it fails, it's my

801
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:05,159
fault. You know, like,
yeah, so it's it was. It

802
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:09,720
was that So that was kind of
like the biggest adjustment was uh was the

803
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,840
was like band members finding musicians and
stuff like that. They are there,

804
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,560
they do exist. It's just diff
like going about finding a musician for your

805
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,720
original band is a little bit different. Yeah. So when that, when

806
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:26,800
that band ended the Vintage Year,
what did did you? Did you make

807
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,399
a You had to make a decision, right, so obviously you decided to

808
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,359
say did you consider coming back back
up to New York or after that?

809
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:39,199
Or no? No? Um,
I no, I still thought, like

810
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:43,199
I was like, you know what, like I think there's a lot here

811
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,279
that I haven't tapped into quite yet. Yeah. Uh so, and I

812
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:51,279
was like and I, um,
you know, Matt my girlfriend, and

813
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:57,800
she's wonderful. So yeah that that. Yeah, so there's no real reason

814
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,239
for me to like ever go back
to New York. Yeah, no,

815
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:01,279
that makes sense. How long have
you been there? How long have you

816
01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:05,720
been in Texas? I moved here
in twenty seventeen, like September of twenty

817
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,960
seventeen, so but like yeah,
like almost six years, five and a

818
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,239
half years. Okay, okay,
you're so you're by now you're used to

819
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,239
the hot summer and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely it's uh,

820
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:19,960
I actually prefer the hot summer over
the wild, snowy winters. I

821
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:26,399
bet I can imagine, no doubt, no doubt. Um, so you've

822
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,680
got oh by the way, Jenny
As, I'm sure you know, and

823
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,239
I'm sure you've seen her comments.
She's also become a very big fan.

824
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:35,560
She loves your sound. Um,
thank you. Yes, yes, she's

825
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,560
very nice. She's been very complimentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah you do.

826
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,640
You do have a great sound.
Who who are you influenced by us?

827
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,560
As far as uh, your music, I'm mostly like so a lot

828
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,600
of like the nineties like rock,
alt rock, and grunge scene is pretty

829
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:57,560
big for me. Like that's kind
of like the thing that it's like most

830
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,600
of my like if you if if
you go back, you can find a

831
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,840
lot of like oh yeah that sounds
like this or so like Nirvana was like

832
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,800
the first love of music for me, Like that was the kind of like

833
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,439
they were the band that like when
I first heard them, they absolutely like

834
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,880
floored me and like this crazy way
that made me want to become a musician

835
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,560
and maybe want to like do you
know, do the whole music thing.

836
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:23,840
So they're like number one like Nirvana, like also like the Beatles, Bush

837
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,600
is big one too, and then
I like a lot of the like rock

838
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,640
from the early two thousands, like
I love Chevelle and like Cold and Lincoln

839
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,159
Park and stuff like that. But
yeah, it's mostly like Nirvana. Okay,

840
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:39,720
okay, um, And so you've
got in a couple of minutes,

841
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,199
we're gonna play the new the new
single Our World, which is uh,

842
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,960
which is really good, and you
did something with this, so yeah,

843
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,920
it's interesting. And I'm sure you
hear this from everybody who listens to the

844
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:54,359
song, and uh, all of
our listeners will hear it when I play

845
01:11:54,359 --> 01:11:58,520
it. But so when you start
the song, it sounds like uh like

846
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,319
a like it's a bad recording,
and then again gradually gets better. Yeah

847
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,720
d yeah yeah yeah, And that's
a really cool I've never heard anyone do

848
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,720
that before. That's a really cool
effect, like really yeah yeah. Because

849
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,600
when I first listened to it,
you know, Jenny played it on the

850
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,199
computer. This sucks. What is
this? I was like, did some

851
01:12:16,399 --> 01:12:20,000
did somebody send us their bad demo? It sounds like a you know,

852
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:24,279
it sounds like an old cassette that's
been water damaged. What's going on here?

853
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,960
But then but then it I shouldn't
even say gradually, it's pretty quickly

854
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:30,199
that, you know, the the
quality improves and then it's normal. But

855
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:35,199
that's a really cool effect. That's
kind of a trick, like a production

856
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:39,720
trick. So like they say,
like without you know, without quiet,

857
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,239
there's no loud, right, So
like I really wanted the low end,

858
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,840
like the bass and the kick to
really kind of kick you in the chest

859
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,840
when that first starts. Yeah,
So the best way to do that is

860
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,479
to just suck it, like take
it away for a second, like take

861
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:55,880
it away and get the get you
list used to hearing it that way,

862
01:12:56,119 --> 01:12:59,359
yeah, and then like letting it
just boot you in the chest when it

863
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,520
finally. I sent that. I
showed that to one of my buddies too,

864
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,159
when I and always like do that
is He's like, that's really cool,

865
01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:06,600
man, And I think I did
do a couple like I have a

866
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,880
couple of plugins to make it sound
like it's a cassette, like a really

867
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,600
worn down cassette and stuff like that, a little EQ trick and stuff here

868
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:15,840
and there. But yeah, that
was the That was pretty much the idea.

869
01:13:16,319 --> 01:13:18,479
Yeah, no, that's really cool. I love it. I love

870
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:24,399
it. Thank you. Now,
what's your long term trajectory? Are you

871
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,720
going to keep releasing singles or do
you have plans for an EP or a

872
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,279
full album or what's the plan?
Yeah, so, um, I'm going

873
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:39,319
to actually I think I'm going to
release one more and take a break because

874
01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:42,720
I need to start making more song
because like a lot of these songs I've

875
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,399
started a year ago, like over
a year ago, and I've been releasing

876
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,159
them and now I'm out of I'm
like out of songs. Yeah, so

877
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:49,800
I gotta go back and write.
Uh, And I I you know what,

878
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:55,760
I think I'll do an EPH full
length. I can do since like

879
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,000
since I don't have to really pay
for recording or like studio, that kind

880
01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:02,239
of saves a lot of money for
uh, like doing stuff like like that,

881
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:05,359
like doing I can do an album
if I want to or you know,

882
01:14:06,039 --> 01:14:10,479
and also, um, merch,
I have money for merch and stuff

883
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,439
like to buy merch, which definitely, Uh that's kind of like the that

884
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,399
keeps that kind of keeps the whole
thing afloat basically yeah, yeah, absolutely,

885
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,000
um And but by the way,
where does the name come from.

886
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:25,279
Does a name have any special meaning
to you becoming human? Yeah, yeah,

887
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:30,000
for sure. Uh So I always
it's funny like I always kind of

888
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:33,560
felt like, uh, you know, the past, you know, maybe

889
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:40,279
ten years have been like me becoming
human kind of like feeling like I,

890
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,560
you know, I grew up like
we you know, I like everybody,

891
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,279
we all struggle. We have like
we have our you know, our demons,

892
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:49,880
and you know, our past traumas
and stuff like that, and you

893
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:55,640
don't realize when you as like what
you do, what you're doing damages you

894
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,119
and maybe the other people around you, and you kind of don't really start

895
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:02,000
to realize that until you're older and
it starts affecting like your professional life and

896
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:08,520
your uh maybe your personal relationships and
stuff like that. So becoming human is

897
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,640
kind of like the healing process of
like, okay, like I want to

898
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,000
I know, I don't want to
be like I'm a honster anymore, basically

899
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:18,279
like I want to be like a
human, which basically like all the subject

900
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:24,479
matter of my songs or about like
mental health and and stuff like that.

901
01:15:25,399 --> 01:15:28,079
Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I definitely get that vibe from it.

902
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,039
By the way, our friend Melanie
Liberty. In the chat room,

903
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:34,560
she was saying, you know you
you were talking about your girlfriend earlier and

904
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:40,239
your relationship and uh, she said
in the chat I bet his girlfriend is

905
01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:43,039
sitting right next to him. Tell
him to blink if he needs help.

906
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,079
Yeah, she's got the gun right
in my rib case right now. Well,

907
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:53,039
they don't fall around and affects us
up. Oh no, you can

908
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:55,880
go. Yeah. They got like
stores you walk like like like it's like

909
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,399
a store called Academy where it's like
dicks. It's basically, oh god,

910
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,800
just all wall guns. It's pretty
cool, right, Oh okay, yes,

911
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,600
if you're like yeah, if you're
into that, it's pretty sick.

912
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:11,039
But yeah, right right, Um, very good, And uh, is

913
01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:13,720
there anything else you want to tell
us about what? We'll let you go

914
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,359
in a minute, Jordan, and
we're gonna play this track our World,

915
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,880
which is, like I said,
really good. Um, but is there

916
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:23,840
anything else you want us to know
about about this song specifically? Um?

917
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:28,000
Actually I did want to say that
I actually haven't released this yet. You

918
01:16:28,119 --> 01:16:31,119
guys are premiering it, which is
funny. It's actually coming on. Um,

919
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,279
so so I'm I'm I'm literally like
right now, I'm working on like

920
01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:41,079
a lyric video to to like because
I'm like trying to you know, because

921
01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:43,800
I'm really busy, so I'm trying
to cram all this in. But yeah,

922
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,920
it's premiering right now. Um our
world is kind of like the whole

923
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,760
idea is basically like uh um you
know, uh are if you if you

924
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,720
really want something, you can you
can get it, like you can get

925
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,319
up and go out and take it
if that And that's basically the whole point

926
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:01,239
of the song. Yeah, yeah, very cool, very cool. And

927
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,359
so this is a world radio premiere. We love that. That's awesome.

928
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:10,000
Yeah, yeah, no, thank
thank you truly and sure and uh one

929
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:12,319
other thing too. Of course,
we want to make sure before you go

930
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,840
that everyone knows where to find you, where to keep up with everything that

931
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,159
you're doing in terms of music online. What should people know? Yeah,

932
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:26,159
if so, I'm working on a
website right now, Okay, which is

933
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:30,359
it should be becoming Human ATX dot
com. It's not up yet, but

934
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:34,680
I'm getting there. But everywhere else, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. Becoming

935
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:38,720
Human at X you can find me. You can find me there and on

936
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,119
there you'll be able to find links
to to Merge stores I have a shirt

937
01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:45,479
for sale. It's pretty kind of
a it's got cute little monster guy on

938
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,840
it says becoming Human Austin, Texas. Uh yeah, okay, and that's

939
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,800
that's pretty much it. Yeah,
outstanding, outstanding, Jordan. Thank you

940
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,359
so much for joining us today.
We're gonna let you go and we're gonna

941
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:59,319
get to the world radio premiere of
Our World from Becoming Human. Yeah.

942
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:02,399
Absolutely, but we'll do this again
as as you release new music, we'd

943
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,880
love to have you back on to
talk about it. So yeah, that'd

944
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,840
be great. Absolutely. No,
Jenny and I are Jenny and I are

945
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,000
fans, and yes, thank you
for joining us today, my friend,

946
01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:14,720
and we'll talk soon. Thank you
very much. You guys, have a

947
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,000
good day. You two bye bye. All right. That was Jordan from

948
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:20,399
Becoming Human. We're gonna listen to
this. This is the world radio premiere

949
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:25,359
of the track Our World, and
then we'll come back. And as I

950
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:29,279
mentioned, we've got Texas Mike and
Miriam Banish here and John Hopwood is also

951
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:31,199
here with us in studio now as
well, so we'll see what kind of

952
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:34,479
trouble we can get into in the
last half hour of the show. But

953
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,760
here it is the world radio premiere. This is our world from becoming human.

954
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:16,880
Touch my braid into the sky.
Yes, I'm made it and I'm

955
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:30,640
waiting for yeah, dancing on the
shore. I can't take it anymore.

956
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:54,840
And I'm sucking inside with my handsige
because I've got beside with my handsie,

957
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,600
because i know my world side.
Yes, I sip my head my super

958
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:49,720
spaces and I said all stars in
the fay of my card with my hands

959
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:27,359
because I'm colorside with Just know your
side. Always get another time, another

960
01:21:31,239 --> 01:22:42,039
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Today is Wednesday, April twenty six,

989
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,399
twenty twenty three, and I have
some Luminari. He's in studio here.

990
01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:10,399
If you're gonna play in Texas,
you gotta have a fiddle in the band.

991
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:16,600
That league guitar is hot but not
far Louisiana man so rolls enough that

992
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:21,920
both in Love and Man's old dands. If you're gonna playing in Texas,

993
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:29,640
you gotta have a fiddle in the
band. Yeehaw, Texas Mike is here.

994
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,319
Heha, yeehah, Texas Mike.
Welcome sir, thank you. And

995
01:26:33,800 --> 01:27:04,399
that's not all bringing rocks and up. She's just like wrestling. Everyone has

996
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:10,079
entrance music. John Hopwood is here. Oh, oh wow, you sound

997
01:27:10,119 --> 01:27:13,960
like you're from Texas. I was
stationed in Texas, and I lived in

998
01:27:14,079 --> 01:27:17,000
Texas enough to know the states.
Subs oh, not a fan of Texas.

999
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:21,720
Careful now, Texas. Mike brought
his brandy and iron the first place

1000
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:28,319
I ever saw that drive through liquor
store. There's something to be said to

1001
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,840
Texical certainly, yes, yes,
and the women were cool too. They

1002
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:36,439
were very aggressive. Uh huh,
who wants to date of milks off?

1003
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:41,319
You know? Although holidays, I'd
take any time. Oh my goodness,

1004
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:45,119
well even a chet but all right, yes, and joining us in the

1005
01:27:45,159 --> 01:27:48,680
corner, hanging out with the giant
cardboard Peter Whitehead. Miriam banishes here.

1006
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:54,800
Hi, Miriam doesn't have entrance music
yet because she's uh, it's probably only

1007
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,279
what your third, third time,
the fourth time on the short time.

1008
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:02,680
Yeah. Were you on mister Hopwood's
television program earlier? Yes? And why

1009
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:08,279
why do you answer that hesitantly?
Are you afraid that there's something incriminating?

1010
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,319
Uh? No, I think I
just forgot that you were talking to me.

1011
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,199
That's okay, a little clueless,
you know, well, you know,

1012
01:28:16,359 --> 01:28:20,359
don't do this radio TV stuff,
right right, it's a little uh

1013
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:25,199
yes. By the way, Melanie
law Liberty from the Great State of Vermont

1014
01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:28,239
says in the chat room, Hey, Miriam Banish, can you show a

1015
01:28:28,319 --> 01:28:31,239
Hopwood something shiny? When he tries
to make a point. The distraction works

1016
01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:36,680
every time, you know, I
I never liked you, Melanie. Oh

1017
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,840
that's not true. It is not
true. We have we we agreed the

1018
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,920
feud. Oh oh, you're feuding. No, I don't mean to Oh

1019
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,399
okay. It's always better to tell
the person you're gonna feud with them,

1020
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:56,640
Yes, of course, yes,
um, yeah, I was thinking of

1021
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,039
you John. Actually so uh no, not that way. Don't get excited.

1022
01:29:00,319 --> 01:29:03,840
No, but uh well you have
a chat. But girlfriend, now

1023
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,920
we're gonna now John and I are
going to be feuding. Well, actually

1024
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:13,039
we did feud many years ago,
and there was a tacit agreement. I

1025
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:16,079
just assumed you think it was funny
and you did. No. Um.

1026
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:20,560
By the way, Melanie says,
you love me, Such a liar,

1027
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:26,479
Melanie, You're voted for you,
but I want to takeot You're not feuding

1028
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,119
Melanie please, no, uh,
you have to feud. No I thought

1029
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:34,359
of you because so. I don't
know if you're familiar with Stephen Crowder online

1030
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:40,119
conservative media personality. No I'm not. But he had a bitter breakup with

1031
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,880
one of his co hosts, Dave
Landau. And apparently when Dave Landau was

1032
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:48,640
on the show with Stephen Crowder,
which uh is now on rumble Um,

1033
01:29:49,359 --> 01:29:56,880
they had in studio they had a
light up sign that sometimes when Stephen Crowder

1034
01:29:57,039 --> 01:30:00,399
was was ranting and he didn't want
to be interrupted, he would push this

1035
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,840
button and the sign would light up
over Dave Lando's head. Dave Landhou's head,

1036
01:30:04,079 --> 01:30:10,880
this head, don't talk, Dave
and I apparently land Out felt very

1037
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,439
insulted by this. But the only
thing the way you can get me not

1038
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,279
to talk is to not talk yourself. Right, Yes, that is true.

1039
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,960
That is true. It's an interesting
phenomenon on the show. If I

1040
01:30:20,039 --> 01:30:23,840
ever have a technical issue that I'm
trying to solve in John's here, so

1041
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,119
I'm distracted, I need him to
talk, he clams right up. Well,

1042
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:31,079
I'm like a beaver. Beavers go
to the sound of water and use

1043
01:30:31,159 --> 01:30:36,439
their tails to pack mud. Huh. So when I hear a voice,

1044
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:41,079
I start packing mud. Oh,
well, we don't tell. Okay,

1045
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:45,119
that's definitely a discussion for the other
show. Uh, let's see. Uh.

1046
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,920
And so what did you do on
your television show today? And it

1047
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:53,359
is it? Is it still w
p YP or is it worth thirteen?

1048
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:58,399
We reward thirteen with John Hopwood today. Next week it's gonna be just w

1049
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,760
PYP presents camp ended it today,
but their local municipal candidates, so we

1050
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,359
won't mention them. Right, Well, well, what did you do today?

1051
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:10,560
Mikey and Miriam? I assume we're
both out on to explain. We

1052
01:31:11,319 --> 01:31:16,880
had a serious discussion about special needs
and special education and how how sometimes the

1053
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:24,880
system sucks for people. Or Mariam
talked about being a para professional and what

1054
01:31:25,079 --> 01:31:29,239
that means, and tell us what
that means, please. Para professional is

1055
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:34,119
somebody who helps a student, uh, in the classroom or it could be

1056
01:31:34,359 --> 01:31:41,199
in in a separate room to access
the curriculum. It's a thing that it

1057
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:46,760
comes through the i EP and i
EP is an individual education program, individualized

1058
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:53,199
education program, and it's a legal
document and in that document, um it

1059
01:31:53,359 --> 01:31:58,640
might say one on one para for
this number of days or this number of

1060
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:03,199
hours, or it might say shared
para for this number of days, and

1061
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:09,840
so then they hire para professionals to
fill those positions. And it's actually a

1062
01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:15,000
federal law that they need to have. Yes, okay, person, it's

1063
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:19,359
a federal right for disabled students.
Oh okay, very good. And then

1064
01:32:19,399 --> 01:32:25,600
we talked about autism too, oh
okay. And I didn't realize that affected

1065
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:30,600
boys far graded degree than girls,
but Miriam, you told us why,

1066
01:32:31,359 --> 01:32:35,560
Well, it's it's it's a little
bit different in girls. So it's I

1067
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:40,039
think it's harder for it to be
diagnosed in girls, and so I think

1068
01:32:40,079 --> 01:32:44,439
it might actually be that it will
balance out once we get the hang of

1069
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,600
diagnosing it. But so you think
there may be more There may be more

1070
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:53,960
girls with autism than we know about, just because they're not harder to diagnose.

1071
01:32:54,119 --> 01:32:58,399
It's why do you think it's harder
to diagnose in girls? Any any

1072
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:02,159
theory, any idea? Yeah,
Um, there has been a theory that

1073
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:08,319
somehow, um girls they're hanging out
with other girls and the other girls have

1074
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:13,880
tendency to kind of help them more
than maybe when boys have it. I

1075
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,520
don't know that's a there, that's
just a theory. That I read somewhere

1076
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:23,039
and I don't even remember where now. But I think that it's maybe partly

1077
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,760
I don't know what it is socialization. Maybe I don't know. I don't

1078
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,520
know how it's different or why it's
different. I mean, my observation is

1079
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,079
that it doesn't seem to be that
different. I just my understanding is that

1080
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:40,920
the reason that it's diagnosed in girls
less often than in boys may have something

1081
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,640
to do with it. It just
appears different in girls. It in the

1082
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:51,000
beginning. Okay, autism there's a
lot of unknowns. There's a lot of

1083
01:33:51,159 --> 01:33:55,439
misunderstandings about it too, right,
I mean, yeah, there's and it

1084
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:59,920
can have there's so many differences.
It's you've seen one. If you see

1085
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:02,279
a kid with autism, you've seen
one kid with autism. There's so many

1086
01:34:03,079 --> 01:34:10,520
ways that the kids differ. Um. But autism usually has certain features that

1087
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:16,720
all, um make up the diagnosis. So there will be communication difficulties,

1088
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:26,399
Um, maybe sensory processing difficulties,
language, language delays. Yeah, yeah,

1089
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:34,159
Um, you haven't a communication lage, not lately. No, No,

1090
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,920
I should have, you know,
I should have a book out to

1091
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:43,199
read all of the different features of
autism. But I think a lot of

1092
01:34:43,359 --> 01:34:47,800
times, Um, parents will notice
a child isn't talking when they would expect

1093
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,520
them to talk. Yeah, Um, and maybe they don't interact, maybe

1094
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:56,159
they don't make eye contact, or
they're doing repetitive behaviors. Those are kind

1095
01:34:56,159 --> 01:35:00,479
of early indicators that a child might
have autism. I was gonna say,

1096
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:04,119
I've always heard that one of the
first clues very early that's easy to spot

1097
01:35:04,279 --> 01:35:08,319
is when you have a child who
uh, you know, they get to

1098
01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:11,800
that age where they start talking,
where they start interacting verbally, you know,

1099
01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:15,119
not saying words obviously, but just
vocalizing and that. So if you

1100
01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:19,680
have a child who's just not doing
that for whatever reason, that's that's usually

1101
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:24,960
a pretty good clue that there may
be at maybe something going on. Yeah,

1102
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,680
it's hard to tell. I mean, um, my son is on

1103
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,840
the autism spectrum. But he was
very, very verbal, but he didn't

1104
01:35:32,079 --> 01:35:38,560
use language to communicate. When he
was really little, he would talk about

1105
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,800
the birds in the trees, Oh
there's birdies in the trees, you know,

1106
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,520
or do you hear that Twain in
this kind of sing songy voice.

1107
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,279
But he couldn't ask for a glass
of water, so he would have a

1108
01:35:46,359 --> 01:35:51,520
tantrum because he needed a drink of
water. Interesting, So but that's just

1109
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:56,000
him. You know, another kid
would show it in a completely different way.

1110
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,279
Uh, Melanie, And the chat
room says, so happy you guys

1111
01:35:59,279 --> 01:36:03,479
are talking about Miriam. How do
you feel about ABA based supports? Oh

1112
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,640
boy? And you'll you'll have to
if you can give us a cliff notes

1113
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:11,600
explanation of what that is, because
I have no idea what that. ABA

1114
01:36:12,119 --> 01:36:16,960
is Applied behavioral analysis and uh,
there are a lot of people right now.

1115
01:36:17,159 --> 01:36:25,039
It's it's very controversial. Um.
There have been people who have grown

1116
01:36:25,119 --> 01:36:30,840
up having had applied behavioral analysis used
with them and it um traumatized them.

1117
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:38,279
Really, so somebody is, uh, oh boy, so first I've heard

1118
01:36:38,319 --> 01:36:42,039
of it? Right, it's UM
first I've heard of With our show,

1119
01:36:42,319 --> 01:36:45,760
I've learned a lot. Right.
It comes from this is going to go

1120
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:53,439
into a big psychology thing, but
it comes from um BF skinner conditioning conditioning,

1121
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:58,600
right, So there, it's it's
a UM It's a type of conditioning

1122
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:03,239
where your airing UM stimulus in a
response. Right, you want you want

1123
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:11,000
you want to increase the behavior,
so you have a UM reinforcer and you

1124
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:15,479
have to study in advance. What's
a thing that might be likely to increase

1125
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,239
the behavior. It isn't a reward
system. It's a what is going to

1126
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:25,079
increase the behavior? Often it may
look like a reward um and uh.

1127
01:37:25,319 --> 01:37:28,960
And it is used um, and
it is used at the school. I

1128
01:37:29,039 --> 01:37:31,920
feel like it can be used responsibly. But a lot of people don't want

1129
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,560
to hear that for me, so
I'm very careful not to. Yeah,

1130
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,920
you know, it's it's a little
scary. I've been in big trouble with

1131
01:37:40,119 --> 01:37:44,800
people for having even mentioned applied behavioral
analysis, right because it gives you the

1132
01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:49,560
clockwork orange and the Ludvico technique,
right, which is which that's a completely

1133
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:55,279
different thing altogether. But you don't
think about conditioning behavior right, right,

1134
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:59,840
And but it just it touches on
people's fears. I think so well,

1135
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,840
but there are people, I think
who may have been traumatized. I've seen

1136
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:06,319
it used badly, you know,
and I think that there are maybe ways

1137
01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:11,039
to do it humanely. But right
now, it's it's just too hot and

1138
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:17,119
controversial. Um. Does that include
like the behavior where they with the lights

1139
01:38:18,039 --> 01:38:24,159
going into your eyes? No different, this is some more like Um,

1140
01:38:24,399 --> 01:38:28,399
okay, so you want to target
a particular behavior. So what would be

1141
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:33,199
a behavior that head rolling? M
isn't head rolling something an autism or is

1142
01:38:33,239 --> 01:38:36,720
that? Oh yeah, but they
don't. They're they're really sort of stepping

1143
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:45,520
away from UM. They they're not
um, they're not trying to get kids

1144
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,840
to stop doing the stem things that
they do, right. They flap their

1145
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,239
hands, they roll their heads,
whatever they do. Those kinds of things

1146
01:38:51,319 --> 01:38:58,439
are um really helpful to kids with
autism because um, it's they're dealing with

1147
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:06,159
sensory okay, but things that are
much more sort of practical, Like I'm

1148
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:13,479
trying to think what would be a
good example of it biting. You definitely

1149
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:15,279
want to not have a kid biting, right, so you know, how

1150
01:39:15,359 --> 01:39:19,680
can you you want to come up
with a maybe at a different behavior that

1151
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:25,239
you want them to do instead of
biting. You know, and a lot

1152
01:39:25,319 --> 01:39:28,920
of them will have, um,
if they are nonverbal, they'll have communication

1153
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:33,600
devices, so you might want to
encourage them to use their communication device and

1154
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:40,520
uh so you'd pair it with something
you know that would maybe make them feel

1155
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:45,359
good. We don't really do that, by the way, Melanie says in

1156
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,479
the chat, I agree with you. It's a tool available, but right

1157
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:53,439
now it seems like that is a
go to therapy in schools right now.

1158
01:39:54,840 --> 01:40:00,760
And part of that is because there's
there's evidence. It's sort of evidence based,

1159
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:06,600
it's um empirical, yeah, you
know, And so I think it's

1160
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:11,720
because there's science behind it. It's
just that when it's been used sometimes it

1161
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:16,199
really is used in I think bad
ways. Hopefully that's if you're using it

1162
01:40:16,319 --> 01:40:24,159
at a university with PhDs and stuff. When it trickles down to some school

1163
01:40:24,279 --> 01:40:29,119
district, the people that might not
be as conversant in the techniques or as

1164
01:40:29,159 --> 01:40:33,479
well as trained or have the sup
financial and the resources to make it work.

1165
01:40:34,279 --> 01:40:39,000
Um I did. I did have
course work in applied behavioral analysis.

1166
01:40:39,159 --> 01:40:42,640
But what I did was we worked
with rats and we also made a program

1167
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,680
for ourselves. We want you know, like for me personally, it was

1168
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:51,159
how do I increase my house cleaning
behavior? And so I said, maybe

1169
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:55,359
if my husband would rub my feet, then I would you know, like,

1170
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:59,439
if I do this behavior and I
get my feet rubbed, maybe that

1171
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:01,760
would make me, you know,
do more housework. So I actually set

1172
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,640
up a whole program for myself where
we did this and yes, indeed I

1173
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:11,800
did do more housework. So,
um, you know, instead of working

1174
01:41:12,359 --> 01:41:15,600
with human beings. So we worked
with rats. They're not even doing work

1175
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,319
with rats now. Usually people are
encouraged to find a friend who has a

1176
01:41:18,399 --> 01:41:24,479
pet or you use your pet um
for you know, just to learn how

1177
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,479
to do the technique. And so
with a rat, you're trying to get

1178
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,600
the rat to press a lever.
It's boring. But if they press the

1179
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,319
lever, the sure, you know, they get some food. Yeah,

1180
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,399
you know, that's that's kind of
the whole thing that I did a really

1181
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:41,159
long time ago. Six zo three
two five six seven is a studio line

1182
01:41:41,159 --> 01:41:44,640
if you'd like to chime in on
anything. Six three two five zo six

1183
01:41:45,279 --> 01:41:48,199
seven. Melanie says in the chat
evidence based, Hey, if you hold

1184
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:51,840
me down for an hour, I
might take I might take off my jacket

1185
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:57,239
when expected. I'm using a worst
case scenario, but it is also a

1186
01:41:57,399 --> 01:42:01,239
real life example. Oh I don't
know that real life example, but hopefully,

1187
01:42:01,399 --> 01:42:08,880
I mean, nobody's using negative,
nobody's nobody should be using anything negative

1188
01:42:09,039 --> 01:42:14,039
in these situations. Yeah, So
if you take your card off and then

1189
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,199
you get to listen to some music
that you like, you know, that

1190
01:42:16,279 --> 01:42:20,159
would be kind of an example of
every single time you do this behavior,

1191
01:42:20,279 --> 01:42:24,880
you get that piece of music that
you really like. That's kind of more.

1192
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,680
It's almost like being Newlywoods. But
we won't go into that. Oh

1193
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,079
dear, that might that might be
for the other show. Yeah, Matt

1194
01:42:33,159 --> 01:42:36,840
Connerton unsheathed, of course. Um
there's a YouTuber I like. His name

1195
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:41,800
is Vosh, and I don't agree
with him politically necessarily on a lot of

1196
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,479
things, but I just find him
interesting. And he had posted a video

1197
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,720
it was something like titled something like
what is masking? And why I refuse

1198
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,239
to do it? Or why I
don't do it? And when I saw

1199
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:54,840
the title of video, you know, because we live in a time where

1200
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,239
you know, I hear masking,
I I think we'll wait a minute.

1201
01:42:57,239 --> 01:42:59,720
He's not an anti masker. He
takes COVID very seriously. What does he

1202
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,399
talk about? So I play the
video and it turns out and he explains

1203
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:05,720
what masking is. And I didn't
know that Vosh was autistic. I would

1204
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:09,760
not have guessed that from his h
from his videos where you know, he

1205
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:13,840
discussed his politics and current events and
whatnot. But um, but yeah,

1206
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:17,840
he talks about the way he explains
it is masking is when you when you're

1207
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:25,680
autistic, but you try to mask
your autism by behaving in ways that you

1208
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,720
think you are expected to behave you're
you're not sure of supressing whatever it is.

1209
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:34,000
Yeah, Yeah, try trying to
fit in, which I guess you

1210
01:43:34,039 --> 01:43:39,399
know people do anyway in a broader
sense, but from the point of someone

1211
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:43,359
who's autism, it's it's trying to
actually hide the autism and fit in in

1212
01:43:43,399 --> 01:43:46,359
a way that you think that you're
expected to so that maybe people won't know

1213
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,439
that you're autistic, or maybe they'll
just accept you more even knowing that you're

1214
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:56,239
autistic, or you know, I
can't explain it is eloquently, but yeah,

1215
01:43:56,319 --> 01:43:59,520
I know exactly what you're talking about, and I'm hoping we're kind of

1216
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:02,520
getting away from having people having to
do that. Yeah, you know,

1217
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:06,319
because really we don't want to encourage
people to just be themselves as long as

1218
01:44:06,359 --> 01:44:11,640
they're not you know, hitting and
biting and you know, right, yeah,

1219
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:16,039
running down the train tracks or something. Yeah, which mostly isn't you

1220
01:44:16,119 --> 01:44:21,520
know, a thing, but right, um, yeah, he but it's

1221
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:26,600
interesting because it's in a sense he
talks about how he refuses to do it.

1222
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:29,560
But then I kind of wonder though, well, maybe that's easy for

1223
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:34,800
him to say because he's not someone
who I would have suspected was autistic to

1224
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:39,760
begin with. So, because there's
can you talk about that, that's something

1225
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:43,279
that's interesting to me. There's a
there's a spectrum, right it is,

1226
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:47,119
So there's an autism spectrum. So
can you talk about that a little bit

1227
01:44:47,239 --> 01:44:55,800
because it's something I've always been curious
about. Yes, So there's just different

1228
01:44:55,880 --> 01:45:00,199
ways that it presents. Some people
are not inferible. Some people, um

1229
01:45:00,039 --> 01:45:04,560
move around a lot. They may
do repetitive behaviors, flap hands, or

1230
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:08,560
they may vocalize, they may do
a lot, make a lot of noise.

1231
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:15,680
Yeah, um and so. And
then there's people who they may have

1232
01:45:15,039 --> 01:45:20,479
trouble initiating conversation or they may only
talk about like whatever special interests they have,

1233
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,079
and it won't be as obvious.
You'll just say, well, that's

1234
01:45:25,279 --> 01:45:28,720
a person that's you know, a
little bit different, but you might not

1235
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:32,000
know that it's autism. Yeah,
they're shy, they might be shy,

1236
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:34,720
or they just might be a little
different, you know. I mean,

1237
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,960
when I was a kid, it
was this is a horrible thing to say,

1238
01:45:39,039 --> 01:45:41,600
but when I was a kid,
we didn't have the same diagnoses,

1239
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,560
and it would be just like,
that's that weird kid. Yeah. Yeah,

1240
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:48,520
they're worse than words than that.
Yeah, um, you know and

1241
01:45:49,079 --> 01:45:53,159
um. Thinking back a lot,
I think about people that I grew up

1242
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:56,680
within, UM, and I think
I wonder if that person was on the

1243
01:45:56,720 --> 01:46:00,720
spectrum. I wonder if that person
but it's very subtle with um with some

1244
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:04,680
people, and then very much not
as subtle with other people. But then

1245
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:09,159
I wonder with someone with whom it's
very subtle, how do you how do

1246
01:46:09,239 --> 01:46:15,239
you determine, uh, determined that
they're autistic on one hand, and how

1247
01:46:15,279 --> 01:46:17,560
to treat them on the other?
Well, how do you Well, actually

1248
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:23,039
I was thinking more how do you
determine that they're autistic and not just different?

1249
01:46:23,319 --> 01:46:26,279
I mean, because if there's a
difference between being autistic and just being

1250
01:46:26,359 --> 01:46:30,279
different, like what like if there's
a difference between being autistic but but also

1251
01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:34,079
being a little bit socially awkward,
how do you determine if someone's autistic or

1252
01:46:34,119 --> 01:46:38,880
they're just socially awkward. In the
nineties, there was all this speculation about

1253
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:45,800
people like Michelangelo and other artists right
being autistic, because you know, a

1254
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:50,279
person like a Beethoven just take going
to squirrel themselves away and then with the

1255
01:46:50,399 --> 01:46:58,840
piano right right are. Beethoven was
notoriously anti social, like he'd be in

1256
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,960
a principality and the prince would come
by and he just put his arm you

1257
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,680
know, everybody's bowing, and he
crossed his arms and he walked right in

1258
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:10,279
front of him. You know.
He's famous for that type of activity.

1259
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:15,399
Yeah, he's he's a person like
artists, and visual artist is different than

1260
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:20,760
a writer. I think from my
I lived with a painter once and she

1261
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:28,880
had a completely different consciousness. I'd
put it away. But you exist in

1262
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,119
your head in a way, and
you exist in a cocoon in a way,

1263
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:35,039
or else you aren't going to be
able to create your art, right.

1264
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:40,960
Yeah, So there was all this
speculation, you know, well everybody

1265
01:47:41,039 --> 01:47:44,840
likes to have all, you know, speculated about who was this? Yeah,

1266
01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:50,520
yeah, but um, you know
they're um early on their signs,

1267
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:56,239
and then people will, you know, the parents will take the kids for

1268
01:47:56,479 --> 01:48:03,039
evaluations. There's um a manual called
the SMUM I think it's M five now,

1269
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:08,760
and so it has all of the
features of autism in there, and

1270
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:15,880
the doctors know those and use those, and there's the building evaluations and of

1271
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:20,199
course, right and m you know
so, and there's benefit of getting the

1272
01:48:20,319 --> 01:48:27,880
diagnosis. Um, that's what we're
talking about, the ear better. And

1273
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,199
I mean, if you get a
diagnosis and it turns out that it's incorrect,

1274
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:35,199
you get early intervention and it doesn't
do any harm to do some early

1275
01:48:35,239 --> 01:48:40,399
interview, like to get them going
to school and having some help and you

1276
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:43,119
know, and then you can kind
of further evaluate as you go along.

1277
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:48,039
Uh So it's so you know,
it's going to be up to somebody who

1278
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:55,880
um has the skill and the qualifications
to be able to make the determinations.

1279
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,920
So I mean you can't tell by
looking at somebody. Yeah, yeah,

1280
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:02,000
of course, of course. Yeah. Uh like yeah, yeddie, you

1281
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:08,680
know, well we're all the same
eyeball, just eyeball the eyeball. Right,

1282
01:49:09,359 --> 01:49:13,680
right, yes, well we are. We are almost out of time.

1283
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,279
Gosh, we took up all this
time. No, that's okay,

1284
01:49:15,319 --> 01:49:18,920
though, well these these I hope
I said everything right though it's a little

1285
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,079
scary. Sure is the thing I
do for a job, and I'm not

1286
01:49:23,279 --> 01:49:27,640
really qualified to sort of make diagnoses
or anything like that, and nobody you

1287
01:49:28,279 --> 01:49:31,520
explain hopefully I educated anyway. No, it's It's a subject I've always been

1288
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:34,560
interested in. So this was kind
of a spontaneous discussion, but I'm glad

1289
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:39,279
that it happened. And uh,
and I would encourage you obviously, you

1290
01:49:39,359 --> 01:49:42,439
spend some time on this too,
on John's show, so i'd encourage people

1291
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:45,359
to You're always bashful about plugging your
show, but I think you should plug

1292
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:50,119
your show so that people it'll be
plug or Mikey can plug it. But

1293
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:55,279
if people are interested in the subject, they should check out your show.

1294
01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:59,760
This week word thirteen. It was
worth thirteen this week? Right? What

1295
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:06,319
footeen? With John Hopwood on YouTube
on IPM nation. If you want to

1296
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:10,880
have them send you a Yeah,
Brendan stopped sending me the shows a long

1297
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,239
time ago. I'm not sure why. Okay, So I'll be on John

1298
01:50:13,319 --> 01:50:17,880
Hopwood post channel. We'll get a
copy to IPM nation. Yeah, plan

1299
01:50:18,119 --> 01:50:20,760
on doing more shows than the future. Yeah. Good, it's a good

1300
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:26,000
subject. Yeah, absolutely. Just
a quick question in the Facebook live chat,

1301
01:50:26,119 --> 01:50:30,520
Rick Smith is asking do people with
autism have a shorter lifespan? I've

1302
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,600
never heard that. No, okay, so yeah, yeah, and Melanie

1303
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:38,199
says, love you Miriam, I
love you back. Absolutely very good.

1304
01:50:38,319 --> 01:50:41,760
It's it's natural Petrol Day, so
go to the hop Knot. I didn't

1305
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,479
even know that national what day Petro
Day? I talked to Kenny earlier.

1306
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:48,880
He didn't even mention it to me. Wow, yeah, so it's natural

1307
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:53,119
petro dame. So I'm going to
hop Not after the this And I didn't

1308
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:57,960
get bears free? What the pretzels
are free? No? No, beers

1309
01:50:58,039 --> 01:51:01,880
free? Non't there ever like a
national freebeard. We're capitalists around here,

1310
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:08,199
John, We're capitalists. I'm an
olde, I know, although I do.

1311
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:12,359
I'm wearing blue suede shoes. Well, I have a special song I'm

1312
01:51:12,399 --> 01:51:15,720
gonna have to play then, yes
the Hopknot a h no, I'm gonna

1313
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:20,800
play do the Pretzel by the Wiggles. But of course, oh yes,

1314
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:25,840
well you're gonna know it now and
of course yes a Hopknot our amazing sponsor

1315
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,720
in the Brady Sullivan at one thousand
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1316
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:32,039
is back. It is now hosted
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1317
01:51:32,119 --> 01:51:38,079
pm, and of course they have
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1318
01:51:38,119 --> 01:51:41,439
going on there at the Hopknot in
the Brady Sullivan at one thousand Elm Street.

1319
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:44,920
Please pay them a visit. Mikey, thank you, Texas Mike,

1320
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:46,600
and thank you, thank you,
John Hopwood, thank you, thank you,

1321
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:50,159
Miriam Banished. Wonderful to see you
all And if you miss any part

1322
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:53,600
of today's show, it'll be up
in just a little bit at WMAH radio

1323
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,880
dot org and on my website Matt
Connerton dot com. Thank you again to

1324
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,640
Eric Pilcher for a great discussion in
the first hour of the show, and

1325
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:02,920
of course Jordan from Becoming Human,
our musical guest today, really enjoyed that.

1326
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,560
Oh and quickly too. Tomorrow on
the show we have an in studio

1327
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:12,159
musical guest. Peter Pappas will be
joining us. And apparently, uh,

1328
01:52:12,279 --> 01:52:17,039
Peter Pappas, I found out from
Peter White was Peter White's biology teacher in

1329
01:52:17,199 --> 01:52:21,840
high school and used to be in
the band Headshop with don Te Tibbots.

1330
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:27,279
So h, so I feel like, does he work at the Puritan related

1331
01:52:27,319 --> 01:52:30,000
to I don't think? I think
I think a different spelling of the last

1332
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:35,920
name. How can you spell Pappas
different ways? The Appas doesn't Chris Pappas

1333
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:42,039
speller with one P or is a
two two three pas three pas. It's

1334
01:52:42,079 --> 01:52:45,640
like, oh you two tuds.
It seems like a common name around here,

1335
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,359
lots of papiss. Of course it
is, but because it's Papa backlis.

1336
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:53,640
Oh, and then it got changed
dyslexia. I could probably pronounce the

1337
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:57,520
word. Oh yeah, next time
we'll talk about dyslexia. Can we talk

1338
01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:03,000
about yes? Okay, very good. I can see the chat my song

1339
01:53:03,159 --> 01:53:08,239
chat Bought Dogs going nowhere unless Mariam
you come in. You'll you'll sing it

1340
01:53:08,319 --> 01:53:12,479
with me. Yea. By the
way, Jay fat in the chat room,

1341
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:16,600
says Pappas. Mister Pappas was his
biology teacher as well, and Jenny,

1342
01:53:18,119 --> 01:53:21,039
and he also makes a hell of
a chicken finger. Here you go.

1343
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:24,319
All right, we gotta go.
Talking to y'all a little bit later.

1344
01:53:24,359 --> 01:53:25,880
By everybody, Happy pretze all day.