H Hello, everybody, welcome at that time again Matt Connerton unleashed. Now
I have to stop myself because normally I opened the show. By the way,
that track opening track was Savages by Downhill Rollers. We had the gentleman
from Downhill Rollers on the show months ago and I still love that song.
And by the way, I think that's an appropriate song for what Eric Pilcher
and I are going to be discussing in a little bit. When he calls
in, you'll understand. But Savages, I love that song. If you're
looking for it, it's on Spotify. It's everywhere. Savages by Downhill Rollers.
That's the name of the band. It's really just one guy. He
does everything. It's it's great. But so this is where I do the
intro for the show. But I'm stopping myself because my friends, for the
first time ever in the history of the program, we have a we have
an intro generated by chat GPT for me to read. Now. This was
provided by us by our friend Nick Murdoch, who I think of Nick as
because he does help me out. I think of him as sort of like
a remote producer of the show. He helps us with a lot of this
stuff. And I think it's wonderful and he reminds me of things, and
so he put this in the Facebook live chat. So let's see and we'll
see. Maybe we'll vote on it. People can weigh in if they think
that the chat GPT generated intro and it's not there's there's no sound to it.
It's not audio. It's it's a script that I will read for you.
We'll see how that matches up to what I say, what I normally
say at the beginning of the show. So let's see. Let's see how
this flows. So this is the intro generated by chat gptm Ladies and gentlemen,
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and alter that in real time because the wrong chat GPT put a different phone
number, so it's not perfect. But so I'll repeat that sentence again,
but with the correct phone number. And if you want to hear your dulcet
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to be unleashed with Matt Connerton. No, I love it. I love
that chat GPT. Oh. Nick. Now, this is another thing that's
great about Nick and his production, his production duties as a as a as
an unofficial remote, de facto producer, he takes responsibility for his mistakes,
and I like that. Not everyone does that. Nick said in the chat
room, Oops, wrong number. I am so sorry. I told that
number to chat GPT, so we can't blame chat GPT. That was a
human error, but operator error on that. Oh that's a good pond operator
because we're talking about a phone number. Get it. I didn't even intend
that. It just flows out of me. That's why I'm in Afternoon Drive
anyway. But uh no, but that's okay, Nick, You're forgiven for
the error and thank you for that. So that is a chat GPT generated
script that I can read at the beginning of the show. It's not drastically
different from what I say. Regardless, also too might be a little a
little misleading. So in terms of sponsors, so obviously, anyone who becomes
a sponsor here of any of the shows at WMNH, you become not only
a sponsor of that show, but also a sponsor of the station. Um.
But uh so the hop not for example, uh came in under for
sponsorship, came in under this show. Matt Connerton unleashed. I believe Clementos,
both Clementos and Queen City Cabinetry technically are sponsors of the Morning show.
But by sponsoring the morning Show, they also sponsored WMNH. So I mentioned
them on this show as well. You know, obviously it doesn't matter to
me what show they came in through the station under. They are sponsors of.
You know, they're part of this family. They're sponsors of WMH.
So, but the way chat GPT worded it, it almost sounded like,
you know, they're sponsors specifically of my show, which they are not.
Only the hop not is a sponsor of this show specifically, and of course
WMH ninety five point three. But uh, you know, but overall though,
I think it's great this chat GPT. Now, I will tell you
just a quick side note. So I was listening to Howard Stern one day
and uh, they had put in they had a chat complete with audio,
a chat GPT generated intro, you know, to see what AI would come
up with for you, like like a first not an intro, but the
first the opening, the first few minutes after the theme music plays of what
of the dialogue between Howard and Robin. They had an AI generated version of
that. It was only a few minutes long, but it was pretty funny.
But it was it was funny to hear it because it was like,
you know, Howard saying to Robin, Robin, how are you this morning?
And Robin saying, I'm I'm fine, how are you Howard? That
kind of thing. So, but our friend Eric Pilcher is on the line,
Hello sir, Hello Matt. Nice to see you have survived media armageddon.
Well, who knows, it could still be uh, it could still
be in progress. Yeah, right, do I still have a classic film
review this Friday team all the big name for getting canned. Well here's the
thing, and this is a little inside, but uh and I was going
to talk to you about this off air. But uh, you know the
uh, you know, the the comedy special that uh, that you and
I did together when I flew down to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and you
were recording that comedy that comedy special and I performed that as well. Well,
here's what I need you to do. Uh, if you don't mind,
I need you to edit out all of all of your part in that
and just leave me in it. And uh and I know, I know
technically the special uh is supposed to be called an Evening of Comedy with Eric
Pilcher, But uh, but I own you and I demand you edit it
again. That was very inside. That's a that's a reference to us,
Stephen proud of versus uh yeah, versus Dave Land. Now you do control
me, Nat, Yes, I suppose I can do that. I hope
you watched that whole interview, otherwise you wouldn't even get the joke. Did
you watch that? Yeah? Okay, good? All rights exactly. I'm
saying I'm worried. I'm like, wait a minute, has he even watched
watched the Michael Malice interview with Dave Landau? Because if not, this is
all going to be lost on Eric. Yeah anyway, yeah, I mean,
so, just where do you want to start here? I mean,
two of the most insufferable toe rags in news media no longer have jobs.
Oh, Stephen Crowder and Candas Owens are both out already. Oh I'm sorry.
No, No, I'm talking about Tucker Carlson. That is true.
That is true. Hey. By the way, before we proceed, I
want to just uh, Pete Trouble Morris is in the Facebook live chat and
I want to give him a special shout out. He said in the chat.
Great to see you earlier, Matt, I happen to run in to
that fine gentleman right across the street actually at the Brady Sullivan in front of
the Hopknot so uh, and it was great to see him. I'm glad
he said something, because I wouldn't have known it was him. We were
both wearing sunglasses. And I think I've only met him in person once.
It was at an event at the Hopknot actually but but it was. It
was nice to see you, sir, Yes, nice to see you.
And so oh and by the way, to Eric before we go any further,
because this is for you specifically, Scott Robinson, and the chat room
says, I would love for Eric to do a review of the movie Affliction
with Nick Nolty. It's a great movie, which I'm not familiar with.
Iver seen it. I've never even heard of that, Scott. I will
certainly look into it. Yes, I in my head, I have summer
mapped out, yes, yes already, so yes, yes, because you
know, uh kind of want to do like blockbuster films for the most part.
Yes, because that's what summer's all about, is blockbuster movies. Indeed,
and uh and I will let one cat out of the bag if you
will indulge me. Oh of course. Last review of June will be Raiders
of the Lost Start to commemorate the release of Indiana Jones five. I remember
watching that with my dad. Oh. I love Raiders of the Lost Start.
But I also liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls. Oh yeah, yeah,
I like the fourth one so wow. So yeah. And also,
by the way, Melanie is asking about her recommendation no, no, no,
no. She made a recommendation today on the Facebook for a film.
You know, I love Melanie on Liberty, I love the Great Stadium Vermont.
Yes, I love her husband j Fad, But I'm not reviewing that
movie. Would you would you get in an ice bath with Jay fed Uh?
No? Uh. Due to theological belief, some people might frown upon
there. I understand. Well, this's you know, I mean, it's
just it's just an ice bath, you know, as Freud I believe said,
sometimes an ice bath is just an ice bath. Oh. One other
thing, speaking of Freud, because when I think of Freud, I think
of my dad, because my dad likes to quote Freud. My dad was
a guest last night on Patriot Confederation with Billy Painter and John Grosvenor, and
that is up and available if you want to see it. Uh. It's
funny. They stream it live on YouTube, but then they take it off
of But then they don't leave it on YouTube. They posted on Rumble,
which makes complete sense because YouTube would strike it if they left it on YouTube.
So it's up on Rumble. So if you want to see it,
don't go there right now, obviously, please wait until later after the show.
But if you go to rumble dot com and just do a search for
the Bearded Patriots the Bearded Patriots channel on Rumble, and you'll see my dad
was on last night's episode of Patriot Confederation. He shows up about halfway in
between, half halfway in between, halfway into the show. So it's an
at one hour show. My dad shows up at about the thirty minute mark
and you can hear his discussion with them. So there you go. I
always enjoy being on Outlaw Radio whenever I'm asked and whenever I'm able to.
Yeah, it's a great time. Yes, yes, yes, so I
enjoy discussions with Billy. By the way, Nick Murdock says, I would
take an ice bath with every one of Maddie's listeners at the same time,
even I don't even care. I love all of you. That's very nice.
I would have to be a very too, have to be a big
ice bath, I would think, though, to fit us all in it.
Yeah, is he talking just regular listeners or uh I feel there has
to be like an addendum. Uh yeah, I mean that's that's brought well.
He did say all uh you know, and uh yeah, I like
to I like to imagine just uh, Eric, I like to imagine just
millions of people around the globe, just uh, just tuning in right now,
hearing, hearing, hearing us. Uh, well, I know one
person that would crush that dream for you. Oh my goodness, yes,
I mean yeah, he's a he's a deranged, moronic individual from uh the
trash heap of Jersey. So yeah, oh that that could be a couple
of people. But I think I know who you mean. Charles Richardson passes
on the ice path. He needs bubbles and more temperature. I understand,
yes, Now, uh so can you even have a bath bomb in then
ice bath? Can you have what an ice bath? Can you have a
bath bomb? I thought it the water had to be hot for a bath
bomb. A bath bomb. Yeah. If Charles wants bubbles, that's oh
I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, well he needs yeah, he needs bubbles in room temperature, so
it would have to be warmer, uh like I would be a bath right
exactly exactly. I think that's his way of politely saying he'll pass. I
understand, Charles, I understand, hey, by the way too, just
quickly and then uh, and then we will get into uh, into our
discussion. But coming up at five pm today, five pm Eastern. UH.
Here on the show, we're gonna be joined by Becoming Human. That's
our musical guest today, all the way from Texas. We're gonna play at
the top of the art. We're gonna play Scars their recent single, and
then after our conversation, we we'll be talking with Uh. After we talk
with Becoming Human, we're gonna play the new single. Uh. What was
the way I forgot that? I'm so bad. I forgot the title so
much for my millions of listeners, they'll just shut me off. Um,
oh no, wait, oh no, here it is. I'm sorry,
I'm confused. Our World. I wanted to say it was called one World,
but it's actually called Our World. So I'm glad I checked. Yeah,
there you go. So that'll be that'll be coming up today in the
second hour. But Eric, yes, uh so, Tucker Carlson and Don
Lemon of course both out and we still don't know official reasons. Well,
I mean Fox just settled a multi million dollars defamation lawsuit that Tucker was a
major part of a major Yes, and then I mean don Lemon. I
do we really need to go down the list of reasons CNN had here?
Well, now I am, I mean, I'm curious to explore that with
you. So you you said something to me and messenger we were talking about
how you It was something about how you know, people were talking about like
Tucker was worse, the worse of the two, and you kind of saw
them both both as equally bad. And I and you made an interesting point
about that, and I want you to repeat it here, but I I
because I said, well, I don't really I don't really see it the
same, and I don't think they're equally bad because and I and I took
your your point was interesting, So I do. I do want to get
to that in a moment, but I'll just make my my argument briefly.
UM. You know, with Tucker Carlson, we have someone who helped to
um really put I would say, uh, directly contributing to January six,
Tucker Carlson did by being the the top spokesperson on Fix for you know what
is commonly referred to as the big lie that the that the election was stolen,
and he helped to fuel all of that and continued to fuel that after
January sixth and so forth. So I think Tucker Carlson has done direct damage
to the country in a way that uh, Don Lemon never could. Um,
that would be my argument. So I would put I would put Tucker
Carlson uh as truly contemptible. I'll be honest with you. Don Lemon to
me was always kind of I never really had strong feelings about the guy one
way or another. UM, but I know that there are some stories about
and behind the scenes that sound pretty unfortunate, shall we say, but anyway,
So that would be my argument. But but I but tell us,
tell us your thoughts, please what I what I said, And I still
believe this is Don Lemon was on a lease, Tucker was not. Huh.
If Don Lemon didn't, If Don Lemon was given the leeway Tucker Carlson
was given, he would have been the left version of Tucker Carlton. So
if they would have left him on prime Time, yes, they would have
just let him go. Now that is an interesting That is an interesting point
because you're right about you know, obviously on Fox they let Tucker do whatever
he wanted, no matter how uncomfortable executives there might have been with it.
They they they let him even even after even after they settled that lawsuit with
dominion. They Tucker Carlson went on the air. I don't know if you
saw this clip. He went on the air and continued to poke the bear
with comments unbelievable and uh and that is true. No, yeah, no
regard Yeah, yeah, and I think that might have had something to do
with this firing. Um, don lemon, ahead, go ahead, Eric,
I think I think with Tucker, it's okay. We just settled a
multimillion dollar laws because of you, right, and you you are doing the
same things over and over is over again? Yeah? When do we say
enough? Yeah, like you have your primary base. The leader of your
primary base, Mitch McConnell standing at the Capitol outside the Capitol to the media
basically saying I don't like Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson was wrong and that's bad.
Those are very bad optics if your Fox knew. And I think that
had a lot to do with it. And no one is talking about Mitch
McConnell's rebuke of Tucker after he aired the January sixth uh faux video. Sure,
yeah, yeah, And people need to understand Fox News unlike MSNBC and
unlike DNN, they know their base, they embrace their base. And when
Mitch McConnell came out and said that, in my head, I was like,
this ain't good for Tucker. This is not good for Tucker approaching primary
season. Yeah, closer than people think twenty twenty four elections. Mitch McConnell
has a lot of poll And when Mitch McConnell and Matt You're you know more
about politics than I do, And I hope you agree. When Mitch McConnell
says something, the Republicans listen and they're hard to be some apprehension by some
bid name Republicans like do I upset the base? And do I dare talk
with this guy? I think that had a lot to do with it.
So I partially agree in the sense that obviously Mitch McConnell is extraordinarily powerful.
Um, you know he is, uh, you know, the minority leader
in the Senate. Um. But U. But UM, I don't.
I don't think I disagree with you that that had anything to do with it.
I don't think Fox cares what Mitch McConnell thinks. I think they care
what the audience thinks, and I don't think. See. My theory is
um, So, first of all, you know, they just settled the
lawsuit with Dominion. Now Smart Maddock is next, and so so Tucker may
have been a sacrificial lamb. Also Abby Grossberg, apparently this this might be
the real this might be the be all end all of it. Abby Grossberg,
former producer. Uh, we don't know yet what exactly what she has
to say in court. Um, but she is suing, and uh,
you know there there may have been anti semitic comments. And I have some
new I have some new things that I found today about what she is saying.
Oh, I have not heard about anything new on the Grossman's front.
Yeah, is a Grossman or Grossberg? I believe it's Grossberg, but I
keep I keep hearing people Rosberg. I'm sorry. Yeah, I know that
that that was something, And I love the way you frame that because I
know that something down the road. Yeah. People are like, like,
if you read articles from like Reuters and BBC News, that's at the end
of the article, right right, So not but so, yeah, it's
something definitely worth considering that. Okay, we settled two lawsuits. There's two
more. Um, and if it comes out that Tucker did say anti Semitic
statements, which I'm not saying he did. I'm not saying he didn't,
right right, Um, I'm gonna lean on the side that fifty three forty
eight that he did, fifty three forty seven that he did, right right.
Um. Yeah, he just seems like that swarmy type of guy that
would think that because he generates ratings for the network, he can say whatever
you want. Well, that's the thing, and whatever it is, clearly
it has uh uh, it has them very very worried because he not only
the number one host on Fox, the number one host in all of cable
news. Um, which is probably why he thought he could get away with,
you know, for example, sort of poking the bear after the lawsuit
was settled with dominion. Um. So whatever it is, it it's bad
and they needed to uh, they needed to offload him quickly. Um.
Now you're you're just thought us too. Yeah. You look at who the
preemptive nominee is going to be for the Republican Party. He loves Tucker,
does he his boys? Oh that but that gets that gets uh. That's
a complex relationship there because Yeah, he loves Tucker in the sense that Tucker
public he says many glowing things about him. But remember we learned one of
the things that we learned from those text messages that came out in Discovery,
and I have not heard Tucker explain this, and probably because there is no
explanation he can offer. Privately, Tucker was texting about how much he hates
Trump and he couldn't wait for Trump to go away. What did he say
in one text message? I think he says I hate him passionately. And
I saw an interview with I forget who it was who was interviewing him.
Somebody was interviewing Trump and asking Trump about Tucker's firing, and he was pretty
abrasive on him. Not abrasive, touch shorter. Well, the thing is,
so he's asked about it, and Trump is answering, and he's he's
saying things about He's saying things like, yeah, you know that it's too
bad, But he's got this little bit of a smirk on his face.
It was one of those instances where Trump was saying did not match his expression.
The smirk was very subtle. But Trump has a very expressive face,
and so you know, for those of us who see him for what he
is. You know, he's not getting one over on us, right,
So he's got this little subtle but it's there. It's there. He's got
this smirk because I mean, how awkward must have it been for Trump and
Tucker sitting down recently for that interview where Tucker was interviewing Trump. And obviously
Trump knows all the terrible things Stucker said about him. But I think with
Trump it's all about what you say publicly ultimately, right, So a complex
relationship. He doesn't care what you say about him privately as long as you
give him the adulation he guilty deserves publicly. Yes, yes, But to
kind of circle back to your point about Don Lemon, so it is true.
I mean Don Lemon, they had restraints on him because he was demoted,
and you know, they tried to spend it as not a demotion at
the time, but he but it is a demotion when you're when you're in
prime time and then you're moved to mournings and in your primetime spot, you
were the host and now you're sharing your morning time slot with two other hosts.
Because you know, obviously in television, prime time is you know eight
to eleven PM at night and mornings, uh, you know the mornings are
are are kind of you know second to that. It's it's it's the opposite
of like like in radio, it's the opposite, right in radio, morning
drive is prime time and then afternoon drive is second and so on. So
um but uh but for him, so obviously that was a demotion. So
but um, I guess I don't agree with you about them being just as
bad for a couple of reasons. So so one one, Eric, I
would just say, yeah, you can say if if Don Lemon didn't ever
restraints on him, he would have just been the left's version of Tucker Carlson
full bore. But but that's a that's a hypothetical. You can't prove it.
And the other thing and the and the other thing I would say is,
I don't know what exactly Don Lemon, even if he had become sort
of the extreme left version of Tucker Carlson, I don't know what he even
in that in that scenario, I don't know what he would have done that
would have been as damaging as what Tucker Carlson did. Like I see any
anyone who directly contributed to the Big lie and directly contributed to uh what happened
January sixth, which I use the term insurrection. I think it's an appropriate
term to use. UM. I I don't know what Don Lemon would have
ever done that would have possibly matched that in terms of damage to the country.
You know what I'm saying, and that's fair. I let me just
preface this by saying, I try not to be biased. I am not
a Don Lemon fan. I do not like him. UM. I think
when you use your position as a journalist, and I've said this so many
times on your show, the responsibility of all of us. You're a journalist.
I'm a journalist. Even the jealous one in its own deranged way,
is a journalist. The freedom of the press, the amendment that calls for
freedom of the press calls us watch dogs for the public. It doesn't say
watch dogs for the Republican public. It doesn't say watchdogs for the lgbt QI
public. It doesn't say there's no addendum to that. And when you use
your power, and like Tucker did, and like Don Lemon did in the
Juicy Smoke, Malay K. Smollett whatever his name is, too, was
told something off the record and then told someone under an investigation for multiple selonie
that he was a suspect. Yeah, and to law he should lawyer up.
That is reprehensible to me. And you're right, it's nowhere near what
Tucker did it. What Tucker did with that video for me was the last
straw. Oh yeah, yeah, to sit there and paint this idea that
January six follow it wasn't as bad as we thought. Look at that if
he's just walking in I know, no people fall for that. I say,
I've actually stolen your line many times to debate people on this. Yeah,
they brought damn gallows. Yeah, like you don't bring gallows with you
somewhere Just for shell Well the thing that I like to say too, and
for anyone who's who's unclear what what Eric is referring to. As you know,
Kevin McCarthy gave Tucker Carlson the video surveillance footage of January six, and
then Tucker does a segment showing h showing peaceful moments from that and saying,
see, see, no big deal. The media has been lined you see.
Uh it really was just a tourist event. See And uh, you
know What I like to say is it would be like if um if if
if if somebody committed an armed robbery at a convenience store, and then the
defense attorney for the h the assailant gets up in court and says, well,
listen, you know the prosecute. They showed you. They showed you
the minute of surveillance camera footage that day of my suspect committing that armed robbery.
But what are they hiding from you? They didn't show you the other
twenty three hours and fifty nine minutes of my client not committing that armed robbery.
Ah. Yeah, they're hiding that from you, aren't they. I'm
going to show you that and prove that my client is not guilty. You
know, it would be the equivalent of that. But you know, yeah,
and and so and let's not let's not act like that, Don lemon
And I'm not accusing you of this, Matt, I'm yea in generality,
Yeah, yeah, let's not act like that. Don Lemon Is was someone
that was just caught off guard and was told, you know, there were
warning signs that hey, this needs to stop me personally, I think the
decision was made in UH when the UH stuff wouldn't when the whole thing,
the Nicky Haley controversy happened. Yes, I think the decision was made done.
Actually, Melanie in the chat room just referred to that with a great
comment. She said, I just hope they didn't pair Don Lemon with any
women past age thirty. Uh, they are just past their prime. He
can't be expected to work under those conditions. I actually that's a very fair
point by Melanie. I honestly think that the two women he was paired with
are over the age of thirty. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Well. But but in Don Lemon's defense, he did google it.
He did google it, so you know, yeah, you know what,
You're right, he's totally forgiven. Now. That was that was a very
very bizarre moment. That was, Yeah, that was that was a guy
when when he made those comments about Nicki Haley being pastor prime. That was
that was a guy pushing the self destruct button, you know, right in
front of him. There was on his desk, right in front of him.
He says, I'm just gonna go ahead and push this button multiple times.
It's bizarre, and it gets more and more cringe. Yeah, the
time you watch it, I don't know if there's any Office fans in the
office in the audience. I'm sure there is. Yeah. It's like my
favorite episode of the Office date Night. It is one of the most cringe
inducing episodes of television, comedy television. You will see, Yes, I
remember it. Yeah, keep watching it because you're like, what is going
to happen next? Yeah, And the worst defense you can give is,
I'm just telling me what the computer says. Yeah. There was such a
strange moment because it was one of those things where you know, even if
he's thinking this, how does he not know not to say this out loud?
It was just bizarre and it was Yeah, it was just it was
just strange. It was like, is he trying to get fired? Why
would why would you say something like that. Let's go back to that point.
You have to you would have to think someone as successful as Dammmen was
has a buyout. Oh yeah, I'm sure, Yeah he's fine. Some
point did he just say you know what, forget it. I'm I'm going
all in. Mm I'm going all in. Is they're going to get rid
of me? So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make it worth it.
Yeah, it's gonna be worth my time and I'm going to get paid
and before we dismiss it, yeah, I want to. I want,
really want some thought to be given to that, because he was obviously unhappy
when they kicked him off Prime Time. And my point about him becoming the
left version of Tucker is really alludes to his time that he had while he
was still on Prime Time. He was really really he was pushing a narrative
that he wanted to push. Oh, yeah, that's that's true. Yeah,
he had he'd be because you know what, you know what it was,
Eric, I think that the U during the Trump administration, they like
CNN Primetime just became It became like MSNBC, whereas I feel like prior to
that, Don Lemon had always been just more of a straight news anchor um.
But then it was like both he and Chris Cuomo, who was still
there at the time, through most of the Trump administration, they just kind
of became they became MSNBC light um. Oh, by the way, I
just want to say so, Melanie said in the chat room, why are
you trying to rationalize a blatant sexist comment. No, I don't think anyone's
trying to rationalize that, Melanie. I mean, and I don't know if
that was directed at Eric or me or both of us, but I mean,
I was just saying, why would you even if you have a thought
like that, why would you say it out loud knowing it's going to wreck
your career? But no, no, I would never rationalize what donay?
Oh yeah No, His comment was, yeah, I was blatantly sexist.
Absolutely. It's my point is he had an ulterior motive in doing it.
He didn't like, he didn't just say that he knew he I think he
was honestly when he did it. He he was like, you know what,
I'm just going to say whatever I want. And if they fire me,
they fire me. Yeah. What he didn't plan for? What he
what he didn't plan for? And this is this, And I honestly believe
this is CNN to kick him off the air for three days to the broadcaster
I forgot about that is more humiliating than being fired. I'd forgotten about that
your off air. Your program is still going off. And that's true.
The world is still moving, but it's moving without you. That's a good
point. Yeah, that train keeps a rolling, whether you're on it or
not. Yeah, yep. And I honestly think during those three days,
executives saw some things. And then i'm this is just me speculating. I
have no inside knowledge. I don't know, I have none of that.
Yeah, But what they did is they're like, hmm, the train rolls
smoother right now, what's going on. It's like when the bad employee is
on a vacation and then the company finally realizes. It's like the light bulb
went off and they're like, m Okay, well, let's see if he
comes back he gets on board with what we're trying to do here. Yeah,
And I think he came back and he just I think he came back
and he just, uh, he just kept doing what he was supposed to
be doing. Yeah. Well, if some of the stories that we hear
about him being unpleasant to work with are true, then it was probably nice
not having him there for a few days. And then he came back and
it wasn't so nice. And you know that might have been. By the
way, I want to ask you two about that, because the prevailing theory
that I see online Eric is that this had to do with um the very
see I wouldn't even consider it in an argument, but the very spirited discussion
that he had with v VEC. How do you say his last name?
Is it remass Away? I heard my dad say it on Billy's and John
Rovenor's show flawlessly, But I struggled with his last name. But you know
who I'm talking about. You've seen the segment, right, is his?
Uh? Yes? So dad mentioned it to me on one of my poth
Oh okay, yeah, I don't think. I don't think that that segment
had anything to do with it. I think every because that that seems to
be the prevailing theory, but I think that's wrong. I don't think that
that segment was I don't I don't think they fired him for that. I
mean, to me, it was just I think that might have been the
straw that broke the camel's back. Do you really think so? I do,
because we got to look at optics here. He essentially to me he
was borderline questioning someone's someone's blackness. And when you wrote a book about fighting
the fire of racism, a book that bombed, by the way, it
did awful. Oh dude, I literally forgot about his book. So yeah,
I understand bombed. Yeah, I forgot. I forgot the book even
existed. I forgot he wrote it. Yeah when when the book failed as
miserably as his dead Yeah, I don't. I'm actually on my way to
a Barnes and Noble right now. I don't even think they probably carry it
in s thought, because why take up the shelf space, right, And
keep in mind they do carry books by day the Duke. Let's put the
perspective here. They will carry books written by David Duke. But Don Lemon's
book is a no go wow. Yeah, think about that. Well,
but but in fairness, it's not like you can't write the things he says
in the things he has promoted and talk like that. M I don't know.
I think I think CNN at that point, I think if nothing else
would have happened, if even if the Nikki Hayley thing wouldn't have happened and
he did that, they probably would have been like, Don, this is
a But the behind the scenes stuff of that is they had politicians saying we're
not coming on the morning show anymore after that? Oh is that true?
See I didn't know that. I didn't catch that. Is that? Yes,
there were politicians that were saying, we're we're not. No. Oh,
that's that's interesting because if if if that's if that's true because cable news,
well and corporate media in general, big media is all about access,
and um, that's uh. I don't I'm sure you don't. Obviously you're
not a fan of his politics. I don't know how you feel about him
beyond that. But jenk Huger, Uh, I don't know if you've ever
heard his story about when he left MSNBC after not being there for very long.
Because Phil Griffin, who I think might still be in charge there at
MSNBC, he was at the time. He told Jenk, Um, you
know you're you're attacking democrats too much. You need to only attack Republicans.
Because you're attacking democrats. We're we're starting to hear from from some people in
Washington that aren't happy with you, And Jenk is going, what do you
mean? This is? Uh? Why why shouldn't I attack anybody who I
think is doing something wrong on on my show? And Phil Griffin told them
because now they're not wanting to come on, they're not wanting to come on
MSNBC because you're attacking democrats. You know, you're you're affecting our access.
Uh, And it's it's and that's the thing. It's all about access.
It's all about access, and it's all about optics. And you know,
Don Lennon, really if that is the case, again, we go back
to the point I made when I first called in mid We're coming up to
primary season, We're coming up to twenty twenty four elections. If there's politicians
that aren't going to want to come on air, these nominees or these candidates
seeking a nominee are going to want They're going to want endorsements. In the
worst way to get those indoors Smiths is to do something that the people you
want the endorsement from doesn't like. And so yeah, I think CNN made
this move towards the future. Yeah, they were just like, Okay,
well we really really have to consider what is happening here. And so I
think there was a lot of things. Um, I if Don Lemon wants
to blame someone for him being fired from CNN, don Lemon should look in
the mirror because it's all Don Lemon. Same with Tucker Carlson. Yes,
it was shocking to see both of them. Let go Yeah, but was
it? Were you really just like man for no reason whatsoever? Actually,
you know, you know, as you were talking to it occurs to me
it was probably a lot easier for CNN to get rid of Don Lemon then
for Fox to get rid of Tucker, just from a business standpoint, because
Tucker Carlson, like like we were saying, you know, the the biggest
name in all of cable news in terms of ratings. Whereas Don Lemon was
he was he still worth that big contract that he had at this point.
You know, they took him off primetime, they put him on the Morning
Show. I don't know what their ratings were like, but they took him
off a primetime. When they took him off primetime, my understanding is that
the deal was completely renegotiated. Oh I didn't know that, Okay, that
the deal was great, heavily amended. The ratings were all for CNN show.
Well that's the thing. If the ratings are bad, then he's not
worth anything. So that's so from a business standpoint, like for Fox to
cut Tucker loose probably really well, we know it hurt, look at what
happened to the stock um. But for but for CNN, to get rid
of Don Lemon. From a business standpoint, if the ratings were bad,
then you know, probably no big deal. Yeah, let's just yeah,
let's just cut him loose. He's more trouble in he's worth you know.
Yep, I agree with that. I think the Don Lemon's story has been
written. It's over, it's done. On the other hand, I think
we're going to find out a lot more on the Tucker Carlson side of thing.
Oh yeah. I really think when these two lawsuits, when the evidence
comes out, we're gonna be like, oh boy. I don't think it's
gonna be up at the level of Roger Ailes because nothing is going to touch
that was a train wreck. Yes, yes, yeah, there's quite a
few people who've been pushed out the door it fox over the years. Um.
I don't think it will be nowhere near Roger Ailes. But I think
what will be like is uh huh, okay, well that was justified m
hey By. Yeah, go ahead, Oh no, go ahead, man.
Well, I just before we run out of time because it's already approaching
the top of the hour, but I just wanted to ask you quickly any
thoughts on the latest twist and Stephen Crowder versus Candice Owens. This thing has
gotten pretty wild. He's he's he's publicly accusing her of extortion and now she's
publicly threatening to sue him for defamation for accusing her of extortion, and uh,
it's it's just a lot of fun to watch this particular drama. You
know what, here's what I will say. You know who I feel bad
for who in this situation. The judge that has to sort this out if
it gets that far, because he's going to be like what like it like
it goes two. This is the equivalent of I know you are, but
what am I? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's it's just incredible you
have a case. And by the way, for anyone who doesn't know what
we're talking about, obviously everyone knows Don Lemon and Tucker Carlson because they you
know, big media, corporate media. Everyone knows them, h Stephen Crowder,
Candis Owens, more online media personalities. But I would just say to
anyone if you don't know what we're talking about, please uh just go on
YouTube again, not right now, wait till after the show. Just go
on YouTube and type and Stephen Crowder, Candas Owens and hit search. I
promise you you will be entertained. This stuff is crazy. And uh,
although I will just say this, I so it turns out what I guess
what can to Owens was hinting about about Stephen Crowder going through a hard time,
and she may or may not say more. Uh, it turns out
it has to do with his divorce. I thought it was something else.
I thought, you know, maybe uh, well, you know, maybe
he was hiding. Uh he was hiding something because the way she hinted at
it. You know, I thought maybe it had something to do with his
sexuality. But apparently it's it's all about his divorce, and uh, you
know, a big deal. I mean, people get divorced. But I
guess she thought that, you know, it would be very embarrassing, never
coming to conservative divorce mat Well, yeah, I get oh and apparently in
Texas it's very easy to get a divorce, much to Stephen Crowder's chagrin.
Uh, but it's this is uh what legal aspect isn't easy in Texas life?
Yeah, I guess, I guess, well in some in some states,
but Texas is a very conservative state, and some concervative states they try
to make getting a divorce. I mean I used to be when I was
a co host on Rock Paper, hand Grenades, which was a conservative show.
I was kind of the fly in the ointment there. But Gary Hopper
god rest is Sole, he passed away not long ago. He was the
host, but he was actually trying to make it harder to get a divorce
in New Hampshire. He wanted to make it make it more difficult because he
thought people took divorce too lightly. And there are states where they do make
it more difficult than in Texas. But apparently in Texas it's very easy.
In Iowa, unless you both unless both member, both people find a document
saying that it will not help, you have to go through couple's counseling before
it'll be granted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Apparently it's like that in
a number of states. They give you some hoops to jump through, and
apparently in Texas that is not the case. So of course even prouder.
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, world's smallest violin let me tell yeah yeah,
yeah, literally, editting here and your boy, your tears, your
boy boy, your boy Dan Bongino. Do you know why he's out any
news on that? No? What I'm thinking. What I'm thinking if is
that his contract was up for renegotiation. Yeah, and he It's probably something
as simple as Dan thought he was worth more than what he was worth.
Yeah, and they just couldn't come to an agreement. He'll be fine.
He can do a show on Rumble and he'll He'll probably have millions of viewers.
It won't matter, um, I mean, or maybe Glenn Beck will
write a masterful crying please for him to join the play yes, like he
did for Tucker. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. Id you read that?
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I've read that several times and I'm just
like, wow, there are so many like psychological games being played with that
statement. There's martyrdom, oh yeah, there's there's victimization, there's gas lighting.
Yeah, I know. Any reputable therapist would have a field day with
that three paragraph post. Yes, yes, I agree. It's like,
are you kidding me? I know that's good stuff. Now maybe he'll end
up there, who knows. Eric, we gotta let you go. I've
enjoyed this tremendously, as we always do, and looking forward to Friday's film
review. I gotta get to uh, I gotta get to this segment,
but we've got a musical guest skyping in shortly. But thank you, my
friend. This is This has been wonderful as always. That's a great discussion
and I always enjoy media drama. Yes, yes, yes, it's the
gift that always gives. All right, Eric Pilcher, thank you so much
and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you, all right, you got
it, Bye bye. All right. Thought is Eric Pilcher from Cedar Rapids,
Iowa. And of course he does the classic film review for us every
Friday, and we love that. But we got to get to a quick
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here we go, all right, pull that up there, Jordan, is
that you yes? Can hear me? Yes? Yes, you sound great.
Welcome to the program. Thanks, thank you, thank you for having
me man. I appreciate it absolutely absolutely. By the way, we've got
a couple other people in studio with us too. Texas Mike is here at
the news desk. Hello, Mikey. Yeah, yeah, tex Texas,
you've got you've got a fellow Texan here, Jordan. Great, great,
that's awesome, and it's going to be in the company of other Texas folks.
Absolutely absolutely, and Miriam banishes here too. Hello, Miriam and Miriam,
do me a favor. Can you use that other Mike? You can
pull that over yeah that uh that Mike you're in front of sounds U sounds
a little funky so yeah. But uh so Jordan, welcome. We just
played Scars from Becoming Human and and um, this is um. Now this
is your band, but it's really not a it's not a band, right
you do everything on the tracks, that's correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, it's UM, it's just uh just me and it's an entirely
solo project. Okay, okay, Um do you do you play all the
instruments? Uh? Like do you are you also a drummer or is it
electronic drums or how does that work? What's the process? Like? Yeah?
Uh so, Um, the drums are so I compose everything like in
other music programs. Um. The drums are samples. They're like the best
drum samples I think in the world. Yeah, uh so I use those
and uh but the guitar and bass is me. The vocals are all me.
Uh yeah. The only thing that I don't have is a I used
to play drums in high school, so I kind of have that understanding of
how to you know, lay out a um a drum track and stuff like
that. But um yeah, yeah, it's for the most part told me,
I'm always impressed when, uh, when I I talked to artists who
who do the uh you know, when they're not live drums, but they're
uh you know us samples and it's it sounds so it sounds so good.
It sounds you know, it sounds like live acoustic drums. So I'm always
impressive to me, Yeah, yeah, it's um. This is something.
I actually took some recording classes a couple of years ago, and I got
to see some guys who are really high level kind of peel back the curtain
as far as uh as like that kind of production goes. And he was
like, you have no idea. You guys have no idea how much most
songs nowadays don't even have a drummer anymore. It's all just programmed drums.
It's like it's it was staggering. They would be like he would be like,
do you think that's real? And I'd be like, yeah, it
sounds really like yeah, it's a it's drum trump track or just just tracked.
I was like, wow, that's pretty cool. So that's kind of
made me kind of because I used to be against that, like heavily when
I was like years ago. I always wanted to be live drummer and stuff,
but now I'm just like, you know what, I'll just I'll just
give it a try and see what happens. And I like it. Yeah,
yeah, no, it sounds great. And where do you record?
Do you just? Do you record at home? Do you do it all
yourself or have a producer that you work with or how does that work?
Yeah? I do it all. It's just in my apartment and in Austin,
Texas, and I don't currently work with a producer at the moment.
My I do like to try to get like input from everybody when I'm writing
these songs, because you know, sometimes I think what a producer can do
and kind of keep your ego out of the way a little bit of your
writing because you're like, oh, I want to do something that impresses nobody
but me other musicians, and sometimes you got to have that person be like,
hey, that doesn't make any sense or like that doesn't sound that good.
I just do it, like, you know, simplify it a little
bit. That's kind of but my process as far as that goes. Yeah,
Now, have you always done this on your own or have you ever
been in a band. No, yeah, no, this is my first
time doing it on my own. It's uh. I was so I was
in a band called a Vintage Year for a long time. We uh we
started. I'm originally from Rochester, New York. Oh okay, so we
started there, uh and it was me and it was basically like my friends
from childhood and a guy who was a singer we met. He was from
Texas originally, and so I was just a guitar player and he We had
a singer and a bass player. Kind we were kind of like, let's
let's try like doing like a stone temple pilots or like a puddle of mud
type thing, you know, like four piece rock quartet. And yeah,
we did that for years and we we split up, and I was like,
man, like this kind of sucks, you know, because I wasn't
a singer. I didn't consider myself to be one at the time at least,
but I really wanted to keep doing music. But I also didn't want,
like, you know, a really prominent member of the band to be
the reason why, like I'm starting all over again. So yeah, yeah,
this is my first So now I just went to I was like,
you know what I'm just gonna do this my own project by my self.
Um, but uh and see if that works out. And so far as
it's pretty good. It is a lot of work, though, I'm like
trying to balance that with my you know, I'm also an executive chef at
a hotel, so I'm also trying to balance wearing wearing a lot of different
heads. Oh yeah, Is that is that hard scheduling wise, because it
seems like executive chefs usually work. Uh yeah, that's not a forty hour
a week gig, right you're here. There are a lot more than that,
I would imagine. Yeah, it's all around the clock. Sometimes I
am there like at nighttime. Sometimes I get calls at like four am,
like because there's a breakfast shift. Uh so, yeah, that's a it's
a kind of like like you said, it's it's not easy for like scheduling
wise and stuff like that. How did you end up in Texas? So
did did you move there with the the other musician you were working with?
Oh? Okay, yeah, I moved there with a vintage year Um.
We were my singers, my old singers from Houston originally. So we met
him in Rochester because his wife was originally from Rochester. Oh okay, that's
how we That's how we connected. And and I remember so you know Rochester
winters get get they're they're really snowy. It's like that part of like it's
like Lake Ontario, Lake Erie, you know, we get bombarded with snow
every single year. And um, I asked my old singer, I'm like,
hey, what is Texas like, is that a cool place to like
be a musician? And he's like, uh, yeah, yeah, it's
it's it's nice and uh the weather's better. So um that's kind of that
was like the main driving force was And we also were like, you know,
Rochester is a is a cool music city, but we wanted to see
if maybe like a bigger market would make a difference. Uh yeah, which
did. It definitely didn't. But yeah, yeah, no doubt. We're
in Texas. Are you Are you in Austin. I'm in Austin. It
is Austin, Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. We've had a lot
of We've had a lot of musicians on the show from Texas, and it
does seem like it's a pretty pretty vibrant music scene there. Um. Yeah.
Austin is obviously known for music and and we've you know, we we've
also had guests on from the Dallas Fort Worth area recently, and uh yeah,
it seems like there's a lot going on there. Um yeah, how
how was the adjustment when you got there? Um it was different. Yeah,
Like it was like, so one thing I noticed about Austin right off
the bat was it's a lot of cover bands. Oh okay, So we
actually we were like we were we moved here like needing a bass player.
And it was weird because like we'd I would so I would, we would
reach out to a basis to who was interested, and then he'd be like,
oh, like I just want to do covers and we were like that
to me was like really strange because Rochester is kind of an artist, artsy
like scene. Yeah. So there's a lot of original music there. I
mean, it's not all good, but it's it's a lot of original stuff.
Sure, So that was kind of a big adjustment that I mean,
And that's probably one of the main driving forces behind me, Like Okay,
let me just like have like like if I'm in control of all of it,
like you know, it's good if it's If it fails, it's my
fault. You know, like, yeah, so it's it was. It
was that So that was kind of like the biggest adjustment was uh was the
was like band members finding musicians and stuff like that. They are there,
they do exist. It's just diff like going about finding a musician for your
original band is a little bit different. Yeah. So when that, when
that band ended the Vintage Year, what did did you? Did you make
a You had to make a decision, right, so obviously you decided to
say did you consider coming back back up to New York or after that?
Or no? No? Um, I no, I still thought, like
I was like, you know what, like I think there's a lot here
that I haven't tapped into quite yet. Yeah. Uh so, and I
was like and I, um, you know, Matt my girlfriend, and
she's wonderful. So yeah that that. Yeah, so there's no real reason
for me to like ever go back to New York. Yeah, no,
that makes sense. How long have you been there? How long have you
been in Texas? I moved here in twenty seventeen, like September of twenty
seventeen, so but like yeah, like almost six years, five and a
half years. Okay, okay, you're so you're by now you're used to
the hot summer and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely it's uh,
I actually prefer the hot summer over the wild, snowy winters. I
bet I can imagine, no doubt, no doubt. Um, so you've
got oh by the way, Jenny As, I'm sure you know, and
I'm sure you've seen her comments. She's also become a very big fan.
She loves your sound. Um, thank you. Yes, yes, she's
very nice. She's been very complimentary. Yeah, yeah, yeah you do.
You do have a great sound. Who who are you influenced by us?
As far as uh, your music, I'm mostly like so a lot
of like the nineties like rock, alt rock, and grunge scene is pretty
big for me. Like that's kind of like the thing that it's like most
of my like if you if if you go back, you can find a
lot of like oh yeah that sounds like this or so like Nirvana was like
the first love of music for me, Like that was the kind of like
they were the band that like when I first heard them, they absolutely like
floored me and like this crazy way that made me want to become a musician
and maybe want to like do you know, do the whole music thing.
So they're like number one like Nirvana, like also like the Beatles, Bush
is big one too, and then I like a lot of the like rock
from the early two thousands, like I love Chevelle and like Cold and Lincoln
Park and stuff like that. But yeah, it's mostly like Nirvana. Okay,
okay, um, And so you've got in a couple of minutes,
we're gonna play the new the new single Our World, which is uh,
which is really good, and you did something with this, so yeah,
it's interesting. And I'm sure you hear this from everybody who listens to the
song, and uh, all of our listeners will hear it when I play
it. But so when you start the song, it sounds like uh like
a like it's a bad recording, and then again gradually gets better. Yeah
d yeah yeah yeah, And that's a really cool I've never heard anyone do
that before. That's a really cool effect, like really yeah yeah. Because
when I first listened to it, you know, Jenny played it on the
computer. This sucks. What is this? I was like, did some
did somebody send us their bad demo? It sounds like a you know,
it sounds like an old cassette that's been water damaged. What's going on here?
But then but then it I shouldn't even say gradually, it's pretty quickly
that, you know, the the quality improves and then it's normal. But
that's a really cool effect. That's kind of a trick, like a production
trick. So like they say, like without you know, without quiet,
there's no loud, right, So like I really wanted the low end,
like the bass and the kick to really kind of kick you in the chest
when that first starts. Yeah, So the best way to do that is
to just suck it, like take it away for a second, like take
it away and get the get you list used to hearing it that way,
yeah, and then like letting it just boot you in the chest when it
finally. I sent that. I showed that to one of my buddies too,
when I and always like do that is He's like, that's really cool,
man, And I think I did do a couple like I have a
couple of plugins to make it sound like it's a cassette, like a really
worn down cassette and stuff like that, a little EQ trick and stuff here
and there. But yeah, that was the That was pretty much the idea.
Yeah, no, that's really cool. I love it. I love
it. Thank you. Now, what's your long term trajectory? Are you
going to keep releasing singles or do you have plans for an EP or a
full album or what's the plan? Yeah, so, um, I'm going
to actually I think I'm going to release one more and take a break because
I need to start making more song because like a lot of these songs I've
started a year ago, like over a year ago, and I've been releasing
them and now I'm out of I'm like out of songs. Yeah, so
I gotta go back and write. Uh, And I I you know what,
I think I'll do an EPH full length. I can do since like
since I don't have to really pay for recording or like studio, that kind
of saves a lot of money for uh, like doing stuff like like that,
like doing I can do an album if I want to or you know,
and also, um, merch, I have money for merch and stuff
like to buy merch, which definitely, Uh that's kind of like the that
keeps that kind of keeps the whole thing afloat basically yeah, yeah, absolutely,
um And but by the way, where does the name come from.
Does a name have any special meaning to you becoming human? Yeah, yeah,
for sure. Uh So I always it's funny like I always kind of
felt like, uh, you know, the past, you know, maybe
ten years have been like me becoming human kind of like feeling like I,
you know, I grew up like we you know, I like everybody,
we all struggle. We have like we have our you know, our demons,
and you know, our past traumas and stuff like that, and you
don't realize when you as like what you do, what you're doing damages you
and maybe the other people around you, and you kind of don't really start
to realize that until you're older and it starts affecting like your professional life and
your uh maybe your personal relationships and stuff like that. So becoming human is
kind of like the healing process of like, okay, like I want to
I know, I don't want to be like I'm a honster anymore, basically
like I want to be like a human, which basically like all the subject
matter of my songs or about like mental health and and stuff like that.
Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I definitely get that vibe from it.
By the way, our friend Melanie Liberty. In the chat room,
she was saying, you know you you were talking about your girlfriend earlier and
your relationship and uh, she said in the chat I bet his girlfriend is
sitting right next to him. Tell him to blink if he needs help.
Yeah, she's got the gun right in my rib case right now. Well,
they don't fall around and affects us up. Oh no, you can
go. Yeah. They got like stores you walk like like like it's like
a store called Academy where it's like dicks. It's basically, oh god,
just all wall guns. It's pretty cool, right, Oh okay, yes,
if you're like yeah, if you're into that, it's pretty sick.
But yeah, right right, Um, very good, And uh, is
there anything else you want to tell us about what? We'll let you go
in a minute, Jordan, and we're gonna play this track our World,
which is, like I said, really good. Um, but is there
anything else you want us to know about about this song specifically? Um?
Actually I did want to say that I actually haven't released this yet. You
guys are premiering it, which is funny. It's actually coming on. Um,
so so I'm I'm I'm literally like right now, I'm working on like
a lyric video to to like because I'm like trying to you know, because
I'm really busy, so I'm trying to cram all this in. But yeah,
it's premiering right now. Um our world is kind of like the whole
idea is basically like uh um you know, uh are if you if you
really want something, you can you can get it, like you can get
up and go out and take it if that And that's basically the whole point
of the song. Yeah, yeah, very cool, very cool. And
so this is a world radio premiere. We love that. That's awesome.
Yeah, yeah, no, thank thank you truly and sure and uh one
other thing too. Of course, we want to make sure before you go
that everyone knows where to find you, where to keep up with everything that
you're doing in terms of music online. What should people know? Yeah,
if so, I'm working on a website right now, Okay, which is
it should be becoming Human ATX dot com. It's not up yet, but
I'm getting there. But everywhere else, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. Becoming
Human at X you can find me. You can find me there and on
there you'll be able to find links to to Merge stores I have a shirt
for sale. It's pretty kind of a it's got cute little monster guy on
it says becoming Human Austin, Texas. Uh yeah, okay, and that's
that's pretty much it. Yeah, outstanding, outstanding, Jordan. Thank you
so much for joining us today. We're gonna let you go and we're gonna
get to the world radio premiere of Our World from Becoming Human. Yeah.
Absolutely, but we'll do this again as as you release new music, we'd
love to have you back on to talk about it. So yeah, that'd
be great. Absolutely. No, Jenny and I are Jenny and I are
fans, and yes, thank you for joining us today, my friend,
and we'll talk soon. Thank you very much. You guys, have a
good day. You two bye bye. All right. That was Jordan from
Becoming Human. We're gonna listen to this. This is the world radio premiere
of the track Our World, and then we'll come back. And as I
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here with us in studio now as well, so we'll see what kind of
trouble we can get into in the last half hour of the show. But
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show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today is Wednesday, April twenty six,
twenty twenty three, and I have some Luminari. He's in studio here.
If you're gonna play in Texas, you gotta have a fiddle in the band.
That league guitar is hot but not far Louisiana man so rolls enough that
both in Love and Man's old dands. If you're gonna playing in Texas,
you gotta have a fiddle in the band. Yeehaw, Texas Mike is here.
Heha, yeehah, Texas Mike. Welcome sir, thank you. And
that's not all bringing rocks and up. She's just like wrestling. Everyone has
entrance music. John Hopwood is here. Oh, oh wow, you sound
like you're from Texas. I was stationed in Texas, and I lived in
Texas enough to know the states. Subs oh, not a fan of Texas.
Careful now, Texas. Mike brought his brandy and iron the first place
I ever saw that drive through liquor store. There's something to be said to
Texical certainly, yes, yes, and the women were cool too. They
were very aggressive. Uh huh, who wants to date of milks off?
You know? Although holidays, I'd take any time. Oh my goodness,
well even a chet but all right, yes, and joining us in the
corner, hanging out with the giant cardboard Peter Whitehead. Miriam banishes here.
Hi, Miriam doesn't have entrance music yet because she's uh, it's probably only
what your third, third time, the fourth time on the short time.
Yeah. Were you on mister Hopwood's television program earlier? Yes? And why
why do you answer that hesitantly? Are you afraid that there's something incriminating?
Uh? No, I think I just forgot that you were talking to me.
That's okay, a little clueless, you know, well, you know,
don't do this radio TV stuff, right right, it's a little uh
yes. By the way, Melanie law Liberty from the Great State of Vermont
says in the chat room, Hey, Miriam Banish, can you show a
Hopwood something shiny? When he tries to make a point. The distraction works
every time, you know, I I never liked you, Melanie. Oh
that's not true. It is not true. We have we we agreed the
feud. Oh oh, you're feuding. No, I don't mean to Oh
okay. It's always better to tell the person you're gonna feud with them,
Yes, of course, yes, um, yeah, I was thinking of
you John. Actually so uh no, not that way. Don't get excited.
No, but uh well you have a chat. But girlfriend, now
we're gonna now John and I are going to be feuding. Well, actually
we did feud many years ago, and there was a tacit agreement. I
just assumed you think it was funny and you did. No. Um.
By the way, Melanie says, you love me, Such a liar,
Melanie, You're voted for you, but I want to takeot You're not feuding
Melanie please, no, uh, you have to feud. No I thought
of you because so. I don't know if you're familiar with Stephen Crowder online
conservative media personality. No I'm not. But he had a bitter breakup with
one of his co hosts, Dave Landau. And apparently when Dave Landau was
on the show with Stephen Crowder, which uh is now on rumble Um,
they had in studio they had a light up sign that sometimes when Stephen Crowder
was was ranting and he didn't want to be interrupted, he would push this
button and the sign would light up over Dave Lando's head. Dave Landhou's head,
this head, don't talk, Dave and I apparently land Out felt very
insulted by this. But the only thing the way you can get me not
to talk is to not talk yourself. Right, Yes, that is true.
That is true. It's an interesting phenomenon on the show. If I
ever have a technical issue that I'm trying to solve in John's here, so
I'm distracted, I need him to talk, he clams right up. Well,
I'm like a beaver. Beavers go to the sound of water and use
their tails to pack mud. Huh. So when I hear a voice,
I start packing mud. Oh, well, we don't tell. Okay,
that's definitely a discussion for the other show. Uh, let's see. Uh.
And so what did you do on your television show today? And it
is it? Is it still w p YP or is it worth thirteen?
We reward thirteen with John Hopwood today. Next week it's gonna be just w
PYP presents camp ended it today, but their local municipal candidates, so we
won't mention them. Right, Well, well, what did you do today?
Mikey and Miriam? I assume we're both out on to explain. We
had a serious discussion about special needs and special education and how how sometimes the
system sucks for people. Or Mariam talked about being a para professional and what
that means, and tell us what that means, please. Para professional is
somebody who helps a student, uh, in the classroom or it could be
in in a separate room to access the curriculum. It's a thing that it
comes through the i EP and i EP is an individual education program, individualized
education program, and it's a legal document and in that document, um it
might say one on one para for this number of days or this number of
hours, or it might say shared para for this number of days, and
so then they hire para professionals to fill those positions. And it's actually a
federal law that they need to have. Yes, okay, person, it's
a federal right for disabled students. Oh okay, very good. And then
we talked about autism too, oh okay. And I didn't realize that affected
boys far graded degree than girls, but Miriam, you told us why,
Well, it's it's it's a little bit different in girls. So it's I
think it's harder for it to be diagnosed in girls, and so I think
it might actually be that it will balance out once we get the hang of
diagnosing it. But so you think there may be more There may be more
girls with autism than we know about, just because they're not harder to diagnose.
It's why do you think it's harder to diagnose in girls? Any any
theory, any idea? Yeah, Um, there has been a theory that
somehow, um girls they're hanging out with other girls and the other girls have
tendency to kind of help them more than maybe when boys have it. I
don't know that's a there, that's just a theory. That I read somewhere
and I don't even remember where now. But I think that it's maybe partly
I don't know what it is socialization. Maybe I don't know. I don't
know how it's different or why it's different. I mean, my observation is
that it doesn't seem to be that different. I just my understanding is that
the reason that it's diagnosed in girls less often than in boys may have something
to do with it. It just appears different in girls. It in the
beginning. Okay, autism there's a lot of unknowns. There's a lot of
misunderstandings about it too, right, I mean, yeah, there's and it
can have there's so many differences. It's you've seen one. If you see
a kid with autism, you've seen one kid with autism. There's so many
ways that the kids differ. Um. But autism usually has certain features that
all, um make up the diagnosis. So there will be communication difficulties,
Um, maybe sensory processing difficulties, language, language delays. Yeah, yeah,
Um, you haven't a communication lage, not lately. No, No,
I should have, you know, I should have a book out to
read all of the different features of autism. But I think a lot of
times, Um, parents will notice a child isn't talking when they would expect
them to talk. Yeah, Um, and maybe they don't interact, maybe
they don't make eye contact, or they're doing repetitive behaviors. Those are kind
of early indicators that a child might have autism. I was gonna say,
I've always heard that one of the first clues very early that's easy to spot
is when you have a child who uh, you know, they get to
that age where they start talking, where they start interacting verbally, you know,
not saying words obviously, but just vocalizing and that. So if you
have a child who's just not doing that for whatever reason, that's that's usually
a pretty good clue that there may be at maybe something going on. Yeah,
it's hard to tell. I mean, um, my son is on
the autism spectrum. But he was very, very verbal, but he didn't
use language to communicate. When he was really little, he would talk about
the birds in the trees, Oh there's birdies in the trees, you know,
or do you hear that Twain in this kind of sing songy voice.
But he couldn't ask for a glass of water, so he would have a
tantrum because he needed a drink of water. Interesting, So but that's just
him. You know, another kid would show it in a completely different way.
Uh, Melanie, And the chat room says, so happy you guys
are talking about Miriam. How do you feel about ABA based supports? Oh
boy? And you'll you'll have to if you can give us a cliff notes
explanation of what that is, because I have no idea what that. ABA
is Applied behavioral analysis and uh, there are a lot of people right now.
It's it's very controversial. Um. There have been people who have grown
up having had applied behavioral analysis used with them and it um traumatized them.
Really, so somebody is, uh, oh boy, so first I've heard
of it? Right, it's UM first I've heard of With our show,
I've learned a lot. Right. It comes from this is going to go
into a big psychology thing, but it comes from um BF skinner conditioning conditioning,
right, So there, it's it's a UM It's a type of conditioning
where your airing UM stimulus in a response. Right, you want you want
you want to increase the behavior, so you have a UM reinforcer and you
have to study in advance. What's a thing that might be likely to increase
the behavior. It isn't a reward system. It's a what is going to
increase the behavior? Often it may look like a reward um and uh.
And it is used um, and it is used at the school. I
feel like it can be used responsibly. But a lot of people don't want
to hear that for me, so I'm very careful not to. Yeah,
you know, it's it's a little scary. I've been in big trouble with
people for having even mentioned applied behavioral analysis, right because it gives you the
clockwork orange and the Ludvico technique, right, which is which that's a completely
different thing altogether. But you don't think about conditioning behavior right, right,
And but it just it touches on people's fears. I think so well,
but there are people, I think who may have been traumatized. I've seen
it used badly, you know, and I think that there are maybe ways
to do it humanely. But right now, it's it's just too hot and
controversial. Um. Does that include like the behavior where they with the lights
going into your eyes? No different, this is some more like Um,
okay, so you want to target a particular behavior. So what would be
a behavior that head rolling? M isn't head rolling something an autism or is
that? Oh yeah, but they don't. They're they're really sort of stepping
away from UM. They they're not um, they're not trying to get kids
to stop doing the stem things that they do, right. They flap their
hands, they roll their heads, whatever they do. Those kinds of things
are um really helpful to kids with autism because um, it's they're dealing with
sensory okay, but things that are much more sort of practical, Like I'm
trying to think what would be a good example of it biting. You definitely
want to not have a kid biting, right, so you know, how
can you you want to come up with a maybe at a different behavior that
you want them to do instead of biting. You know, and a lot
of them will have, um, if they are nonverbal, they'll have communication
devices, so you might want to encourage them to use their communication device and
uh so you'd pair it with something you know that would maybe make them feel
good. We don't really do that, by the way, Melanie says in
the chat, I agree with you. It's a tool available, but right
now it seems like that is a go to therapy in schools right now.
And part of that is because there's there's evidence. It's sort of evidence based,
it's um empirical, yeah, you know, And so I think it's
because there's science behind it. It's just that when it's been used sometimes it
really is used in I think bad ways. Hopefully that's if you're using it
at a university with PhDs and stuff. When it trickles down to some school
district, the people that might not be as conversant in the techniques or as
well as trained or have the sup financial and the resources to make it work.
Um I did. I did have course work in applied behavioral analysis.
But what I did was we worked with rats and we also made a program
for ourselves. We want you know, like for me personally, it was
how do I increase my house cleaning behavior? And so I said, maybe
if my husband would rub my feet, then I would you know, like,
if I do this behavior and I get my feet rubbed, maybe that
would make me, you know, do more housework. So I actually set
up a whole program for myself where we did this and yes, indeed I
did do more housework. So, um, you know, instead of working
with human beings. So we worked with rats. They're not even doing work
with rats now. Usually people are encouraged to find a friend who has a
pet or you use your pet um for you know, just to learn how
to do the technique. And so with a rat, you're trying to get
the rat to press a lever. It's boring. But if they press the
lever, the sure, you know, they get some food. Yeah,
you know, that's that's kind of the whole thing that I did a really
long time ago. Six zo three two five six seven is a studio line
if you'd like to chime in on anything. Six three two five zo six
seven. Melanie says in the chat evidence based, Hey, if you hold
me down for an hour, I might take I might take off my jacket
when expected. I'm using a worst case scenario, but it is also a
real life example. Oh I don't know that real life example, but hopefully,
I mean, nobody's using negative, nobody's nobody should be using anything negative
in these situations. Yeah, So if you take your card off and then
you get to listen to some music that you like, you know, that
would be kind of an example of every single time you do this behavior,
you get that piece of music that you really like. That's kind of more.
It's almost like being Newlywoods. But we won't go into that. Oh
dear, that might that might be for the other show. Yeah, Matt
Connerton unsheathed, of course. Um there's a YouTuber I like. His name
is Vosh, and I don't agree with him politically necessarily on a lot of
things, but I just find him interesting. And he had posted a video
it was something like titled something like what is masking? And why I refuse
to do it? Or why I don't do it? And when I saw
the title of video, you know, because we live in a time where
you know, I hear masking, I I think we'll wait a minute.
He's not an anti masker. He takes COVID very seriously. What does he
talk about? So I play the video and it turns out and he explains
what masking is. And I didn't know that Vosh was autistic. I would
not have guessed that from his h from his videos where you know, he
discussed his politics and current events and whatnot. But um, but yeah,
he talks about the way he explains it is masking is when you when you're
autistic, but you try to mask your autism by behaving in ways that you
think you are expected to behave you're you're not sure of supressing whatever it is.
Yeah, Yeah, try trying to fit in, which I guess you
know people do anyway in a broader sense, but from the point of someone
who's autism, it's it's trying to actually hide the autism and fit in in
a way that you think that you're expected to so that maybe people won't know
that you're autistic, or maybe they'll just accept you more even knowing that you're
autistic, or you know, I can't explain it is eloquently, but yeah,
I know exactly what you're talking about, and I'm hoping we're kind of
getting away from having people having to do that. Yeah, you know,
because really we don't want to encourage people to just be themselves as long as
they're not you know, hitting and biting and you know, right, yeah,
running down the train tracks or something. Yeah, which mostly isn't you
know, a thing, but right, um, yeah, he but it's
interesting because it's in a sense he talks about how he refuses to do it.
But then I kind of wonder though, well, maybe that's easy for
him to say because he's not someone who I would have suspected was autistic to
begin with. So, because there's can you talk about that, that's something
that's interesting to me. There's a there's a spectrum, right it is,
So there's an autism spectrum. So can you talk about that a little bit
because it's something I've always been curious about. Yes, So there's just different
ways that it presents. Some people are not inferible. Some people, um
move around a lot. They may do repetitive behaviors, flap hands, or
they may vocalize, they may do a lot, make a lot of noise.
Yeah, um and so. And then there's people who they may have
trouble initiating conversation or they may only talk about like whatever special interests they have,
and it won't be as obvious. You'll just say, well, that's
a person that's you know, a little bit different, but you might not
know that it's autism. Yeah, they're shy, they might be shy,
or they just might be a little different, you know. I mean,
when I was a kid, it was this is a horrible thing to say,
but when I was a kid, we didn't have the same diagnoses,
and it would be just like, that's that weird kid. Yeah. Yeah,
they're worse than words than that. Yeah, um, you know and
um. Thinking back a lot, I think about people that I grew up
within, UM, and I think I wonder if that person was on the
spectrum. I wonder if that person but it's very subtle with um with some
people, and then very much not as subtle with other people. But then
I wonder with someone with whom it's very subtle, how do you how do
you determine, uh, determined that they're autistic on one hand, and how
to treat them on the other? Well, how do you Well, actually
I was thinking more how do you determine that they're autistic and not just different?
I mean, because if there's a difference between being autistic and just being
different, like what like if there's a difference between being autistic but but also
being a little bit socially awkward, how do you determine if someone's autistic or
they're just socially awkward. In the nineties, there was all this speculation about
people like Michelangelo and other artists right being autistic, because you know, a
person like a Beethoven just take going to squirrel themselves away and then with the
piano right right are. Beethoven was notoriously anti social, like he'd be in
a principality and the prince would come by and he just put his arm you
know, everybody's bowing, and he crossed his arms and he walked right in
front of him. You know. He's famous for that type of activity.
Yeah, he's he's a person like artists, and visual artist is different than
a writer. I think from my I lived with a painter once and she
had a completely different consciousness. I'd put it away. But you exist in
your head in a way, and you exist in a cocoon in a way,
or else you aren't going to be able to create your art, right.
Yeah, So there was all this speculation, you know, well everybody
likes to have all, you know, speculated about who was this? Yeah,
yeah, but um, you know they're um early on their signs,
and then people will, you know, the parents will take the kids for
evaluations. There's um a manual called the SMUM I think it's M five now,
and so it has all of the features of autism in there, and
the doctors know those and use those, and there's the building evaluations and of
course, right and m you know so, and there's benefit of getting the
diagnosis. Um, that's what we're talking about, the ear better. And
I mean, if you get a diagnosis and it turns out that it's incorrect,
you get early intervention and it doesn't do any harm to do some early
interview, like to get them going to school and having some help and you
know, and then you can kind of further evaluate as you go along.
Uh So it's so you know, it's going to be up to somebody who
um has the skill and the qualifications to be able to make the determinations.
So I mean you can't tell by looking at somebody. Yeah, yeah,
of course, of course. Yeah. Uh like yeah, yeddie, you
know, well we're all the same eyeball, just eyeball the eyeball. Right,
right, yes, well we are. We are almost out of time.
Gosh, we took up all this time. No, that's okay,
though, well these these I hope I said everything right though it's a little
scary. Sure is the thing I do for a job, and I'm not
really qualified to sort of make diagnoses or anything like that, and nobody you
explain hopefully I educated anyway. No, it's It's a subject I've always been
interested in. So this was kind of a spontaneous discussion, but I'm glad
that it happened. And uh, and I would encourage you obviously, you
spend some time on this too, on John's show, so i'd encourage people
to You're always bashful about plugging your show, but I think you should plug
your show so that people it'll be plug or Mikey can plug it. But
if people are interested in the subject, they should check out your show.
This week word thirteen. It was worth thirteen this week? Right? What
footeen? With John Hopwood on YouTube on IPM nation. If you want to
have them send you a Yeah, Brendan stopped sending me the shows a long
time ago. I'm not sure why. Okay, So I'll be on John
Hopwood post channel. We'll get a copy to IPM nation. Yeah, plan
on doing more shows than the future. Yeah. Good, it's a good
subject. Yeah, absolutely. Just a quick question in the Facebook live chat,
Rick Smith is asking do people with autism have a shorter lifespan? I've
never heard that. No, okay, so yeah, yeah, and Melanie
says, love you Miriam, I love you back. Absolutely very good.
It's it's natural Petrol Day, so go to the hop Knot. I didn't
even know that national what day Petro Day? I talked to Kenny earlier.
He didn't even mention it to me. Wow, yeah, so it's natural
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John, We're capitalists. I'm an olde, I know, although I do.
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Oh and quickly too. Tomorrow on the show we have an in studio
musical guest. Peter Pappas will be joining us. And apparently, uh,
Peter Pappas, I found out from Peter White was Peter White's biology teacher in
high school and used to be in the band Headshop with don Te Tibbots.
So h, so I feel like, does he work at the Puritan related
to I don't think? I think I think a different spelling of the last
name. How can you spell Pappas different ways? The Appas doesn't Chris Pappas
speller with one P or is a two two three pas three pas. It's
like, oh you two tuds. It seems like a common name around here,
lots of papiss. Of course it is, but because it's Papa backlis.
Oh, and then it got changed dyslexia. I could probably pronounce the
word. Oh yeah, next time we'll talk about dyslexia. Can we talk
about yes? Okay, very good. I can see the chat my song
chat Bought Dogs going nowhere unless Mariam you come in. You'll you'll sing it
with me. Yea. By the way, Jay fat in the chat room,
says Pappas. Mister Pappas was his biology teacher as well, and Jenny,
and he also makes a hell of a chicken finger. Here you go.
All right, we gotta go. Talking to y'all a little bit later.
By everybody, Happy pretze all day.