WEBVTT 1 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.679 Hey, everyone's Tuesday, September twenty seven, twenty eleven, and you were 2 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:32.159 listening to the Giant podcasts. That's right, folks, letna turn my mic 3 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.520 down. I'm feeling a little hot, a little hot. Yeah. If 4 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:38.679 any Caravella is here, hey, you're gonna turn my mic up? Sure, 5 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:42.000 I'm feeling cool today. There you go here, everybody, see if 6 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:46.200 we all if we all talk down here like this and we can record, 7 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:51.240 really get real close on that. They turned me wa I want to try 8 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:57.320 that turned Let me let me try that? Oh man? Yeah, see 9 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:03.000 Brad Shoemakers in there's going with any of you? How do we put on 10 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:11.319 the demon voices? The kid? It's been a long show. Hey everybody. 11 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:23.200 Oh, there we go now everyone's too loud o Barella, Patrick Leppic, 12 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.480 Brad Shoemaker brain hurts, all all here, you're all here, You're 13 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.040 all here. I was just good. Are we sure it's not a dream? 14 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:36.640 Jeff? One two one two one two, open your mind one two. 15 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:42.519 Jeff Gershman's in Las Vegas right now on assignment, on assignment. He's 16 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:48.560 seen EA games assignment to bet mean Nickel in the slots. Yeah, do 17 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:52.200 you gi him Nickel before he left, you're like whatever, signed to funding 18 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:59.079 Nickel like five cents no Buffalo Nickel. I did give him the Buffalo Nickel 19 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.239 before he left, and he said he'd take that to Vegas and share its 20 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:21.479 drug slang Buffalo Nickel whatever, man, I confirmed, I'm a I'm hoping 21 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:23.360 this coffee will help me out some Yeah. I just refelled the mugs. 22 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:29.240 Ryan is still in a fever dream. Yeah, yesterday, I left left 23 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:31.520 here early so I could go home and sleep for an extended period of time, 24 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:36.360 and during which I was treated to a bunch of crazy goddamn dreams. 25 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:38.919 Remember any of them. Yes, yes, there was even some borderline lucid 26 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:43.560 dreaming, which is fun. Yeah. Yeah, he said they were nightmares. 27 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.280 Yeah, there was some some kind of you know, well, is 28 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:49.639 this this dreams where it's like, this is weird and I don't know if 29 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.960 this is gonna become scary, but it has the potential to get and now 30 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:54.840 you're aware that it could become scary, thus you are scared. Yeah, 31 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:58.240 there's this guy on my laptop. He said, I had to get the 32 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:02.560 mars. He was wearing a towel. Real weird. I don't know that 33 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:07.120 device was huge. Why did the device need to be so huge? Nose? 34 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:09.919 No the yeah, okay, for one, yes, how would that 35 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:15.840 get through his nasal cavity without completely obliterating all of the bone. I don't, 36 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.080 I don't know what they thought in nasal cavity was like some kind of 37 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.000 giant storage room inside your head. I'm pretty sure that I don't. I 38 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.439 don't know, I'm no doctor. But well that and then also just the 39 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:32.319 laptop thing, like the giant suitcase thing three or something in the nine actually, 40 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:37.400 okay, so yeah, that's why it was that huge. That was 41 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:42.479 just that was small for that was like that was spy ship. That was 42 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.879 like their futuristic, like the top of the line, best stuff that we've 43 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:52.080 got into one giant, bloody gumballs out of your nose. There was a 44 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:57.199 game that what we call reference recently displosion man. Yeah right, Pixel is 45 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:02.199 leading charge on in game total recall references. Gut Stringer didn't have one, 46 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:08.000 did it? At least not that anybody's I haven't played it. M man, 47 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:10.439 they broke their streak. I wasn't really playing attention. She'll put it, 48 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:12.639 she'll put it, I'll put it in a call out and see. 49 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:17.079 I'm sure they're in there. Do you shoot guys? Yeah, that's okay, 50 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.079 all right, fair enough, like you pr spin masters, right of 51 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:26.720 course it's in there. You're able to just lodgic out anything here, steel 52 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.480 a draft, just debate me, motherfucker Sherlock Holmes up in air, any 53 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:35.199 Caravella. I went to get to the Starbucks to get coffee. Instead they 54 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:39.399 handed me green tea, and I was already out of the place before I 55 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.839 realized, you get your coffee. It's like, oh, this is so 56 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.519 hot. I can't do anything with this for the next five to ten minutes. 57 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:46.279 So I was five to ten minutes away before I looked down and realized 58 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.079 this is not coffee at all. Throw it out. No. I drank 59 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:55.079 it, but it didn't. I feel like a coffee drinker getting tea is 60 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:58.920 better than a tea drinker getting coffee, though. I just I'm not even 61 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.600 convinced that it had caffeine in it. Yeah, the sleepy camemeal. And 62 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.519 you're right. I think a coffee drinking could deal and be like, okay, 63 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:10.399 whatever, it's hot and hot. I think it's caffeine in it. 64 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.600 I hope it does. Mean there's nobody who can't drink tea? Right, 65 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:16.160 some people you can handle some teas. I like teas. It has a 66 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:21.560 very inoffensive flavor, so it's it's just enough to have, but it's very 67 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:26.360 mild and its effects are negligible as opposed to like it. Like coffee will 68 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.879 jack you up if you're not attuned to it. I wish I still had 69 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:36.279 that innocence. You know, this coffee is not doing me and you Vinny, 70 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.279 Vinny and and Bradley here, I have a reason, yeah, but 71 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.519 not really. It was our own. No, it's I'm not saying it's 72 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:46.839 a I mean it's a reason. I'm not saying it's a good row. 73 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.160 It was a good reason. You guys hoarded it up. Oh my god. 74 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:55.160 So Gears War three we launched nine o'clock play session. They're complete, 75 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:59.160 Yes, one to fifty on normal, normal difficulty, it's six and a 76 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:03.040 half hours. It took us over over six hours a sand bar six hours 77 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:09.279 finished at like three fifteen last night. Drew was saying that. So Drew 78 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:13.600 said it took us about and Jolly also just off handedly said yeah, I 79 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.600 did it about four so the fifty yeah, and I thought he hadn't finished. 80 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:20.079 So I don't think he's I don't think he's finished. I think he 81 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.480 might have been talking about Gears too. Okay, yeah, he was talking 82 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.720 about Gears two Horde. Okay, that is a long time. Yeah, 83 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:29.399 so he was taking a full campaign for a short game. I think we 84 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.759 spent about two hours Drew was hand on that last last wave Wave fifty. 85 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:34.319 I didn't think it was that long. We've been We've been to hell and 86 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:39.879 back, all right, paint me a picture, story word picture. I 87 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:44.360 heard something about a Brumax one on one conversation and multiple Brumax over a period 88 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.120 of hours. But you took one. You took one times. I fought 89 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.519 brue Max by myself, and I almost took down the second one, but 90 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:53.680 I did. Yeah, wait, forty we pulled a Brumack on the boss? 91 00:06:54.480 --> 00:07:00.279 Is that forty? Was it? Went? Because I thought the big 92 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.000 first boss set was either guns or Berserkers, and then I think Reavers the 93 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:06.319 second time. I don't think. No, I don't think we ever got 94 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.839 Reavers until until near the end. I can't remember sister player. I definitely 95 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.279 remember the Gunkers being a problem, though. Guggers are bitch the way they 96 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:18.639 jack those enemies. Up is is crazy because every ten waves, it's like 97 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.480 they get they get double health or double damage or double accuracy, and those 98 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:27.399 things stack. Every time you hit another tenth wave, like it adds on 99 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.120 a new one of those, but it maintains the previous ones, so it's 100 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.600 exponential. Yeah. So well, so by the end they have all the 101 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:38.040 buffs you have none. Yeah. I think the worst one is the accuracy. 102 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.879 Yeah, because they can they can hit you from anywhere, like the 103 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.800 across the map. A boomer will shoot its boomshot at like forty five degree 104 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:46.600 angle and it will sail, it'll love it across the entire map and hit 105 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:48.639 you with it, and it's nothing you could have done. It is. 106 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.319 Well, you can move if you see it coming, but if you don't, 107 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.959 theoretically there are many situations where you would have no way. So we 108 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.120 were playing this map called Sandbar, which if you were to just divide it 109 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:01.959 down the middle, it was pretty essentially a mirror image on either side. 110 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.199 Right, this is the one we played during T and T. Yes, 111 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:09.199 yes, so one was happening during T ANDT. So basically, let's just 112 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:13.759 say at the back of the map looking forward, you're on this kind of 113 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.240 fortress right and to the right of you are staircases. To the left of 114 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.920 you as the staircase and the enemies are all gonna come assail you, almost 115 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.160 like storming Normandy from the beaches up until the fortress. Okay, and so 116 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.560 into the middle of the map. From the fortress there's right, they kind 117 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:33.440 of overlooks out this battlefield, so they basically they storm the sides and come 118 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.159 up, come up through those staircases. So for I'd say about forty waves, 119 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.120 we did find Drew and I were on the right hand side holding it 120 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:43.159 down. I think, Brad you and Will kind of on the left hand 121 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.559 side, and Gary with a was floating back and forth to whomever was taking 122 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.399 the most at the time, right U. And so for forty waves, 123 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.080 which is probably about four hours, we did the same thing. So I 124 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.039 had Drew and I had kind of come up with a great system memorized. 125 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.919 For four hours, you're doing the same thing of like you know, I 126 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.279 would soften them up as they'd come through, and then he'd reach true and 127 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.080 Drew would take them down and would do this, and you're buying defenses as 128 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.440 it goes on. A little tower defense. Yeah, like Razor wire and 129 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.919 stuff, and I suspect you and will also have just a system after about 130 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:13.279 four hours of like you kind of know what's called the waves are varied, 131 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.840 right, but you snipers coming in sometimes you have granted years, that's what 132 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.879 we were Okay, that's what we were playing on. Ye. So at 133 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.519 some point, like around forty two forty three, it started getting to the 134 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.840 point where they would just breach the defenses so much. At about a minute 135 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.720 or two in it would just be like fall back into the fort everybody fall 136 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:35.200 back into It was just it was sheer attrition at that point, yeah, 137 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.639 because I mean they were soaking up so much Amo, we couldn't stop the 138 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:39.600 although it was just a tidal wave of enemies coming in, so buy about 139 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.000 so we were able to hold them off. We started dying around wave forty 140 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:48.159 two once and the thirties and yeah, so buy about forty nine is where 141 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:52.720 we really hit got stuck. Yeah, we got so we got to like 142 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.559 forty four forty five and almost gave up if you remember that. Yeah, 143 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:00.320 we're probably kept wiping in that base. And then we just started cheese the 144 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:05.120 map layout. Right, So at that point we're like, this position is 145 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.639 no longer tenable, we need to find a new spot to hang out, 146 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.679 and we decided to go into There are two sides of the map. One 147 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:16.519 is a cave with two entrances and there's like just enough room in there to 148 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.639 kind of dodge left and right for five dudes in there, and there's like 149 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.279 an amlo chest and a brick wall which will give you some cover a short 150 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.840 brick wall. The other side is a similar setup without the brick wall, 151 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:30.840 and there's no cave, so it's just open on the top, but it's 152 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:35.559 like kind of a narrow little entrance and exit. Yeah, so we set 153 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.639 up. We were like, let's just try something else. We're gonna give 154 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.519 up. We're done, and we go into the little alley one that does 155 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.440 not the cave, and we actually cleared that wave on the first shot, 156 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.559 I thought, I think, and we did, so that cemented in our 157 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:50.200 minds that that is that is the way to go. This works. So 158 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:56.279 we stayed there for about a couple more waves, and then we wasn't working 159 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.120 anymore, so we decided to go to the cave. And the cave is 160 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.000 the I think the basic we had. So we hunkered down in the cave, 161 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.240 which was fantastic because you now have five guys in a very small, 162 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.840 confined space, so you a limit, and as soon as you go outside 163 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:16.600 the cave is hell right, it's just crossfire of all the bad guys fields 164 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.759 and inside the cave, and literally you're talking like two steps out you're dead, 165 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.240 two steps back, you're safe with it within the five guys. So 166 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:31.279 it eliminated the possibility of anybody going rogue and kind of running off and being 167 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.919 like, let's get the fuck back here. We all have to concentrate. 168 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.200 So we just had this band of five guys with focused fire on everything that 169 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.320 it's either gonna come left or it's gonna come right through this narrow engines. 170 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:45.720 And it was fantastic because all these huge guys that we were having problems storming 171 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.080 us, we're going down really quickly when you have five guys pumping bullets and 172 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.519 the key. The key was really just minimizing those points of ingress right into 173 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:54.200 our position. It was like, all right, they're on the left or 174 00:11:54.200 --> 00:12:00.480 they're on but not only that, keeping everybody together, which is hard when 175 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:01.679 you tell somebody's like come on, stay together, it's sorry, I am, 176 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.919 I know you're over there. What are you doing? You're you're running 177 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:09.039 out to get together, and like with this it was like death or or 178 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.639 stay alive. So even if you tried, if you tried out, you 179 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.080 learned very quickly oh nope. And we were all getting so tired that it 180 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.759 was a lot of it's definitely getting to the point where it was like people 181 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:24.679 being very loose with each other in terms of like fucking don't go out there, 182 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.240 like I'm just gonna go. I'm down, like ya, of course 183 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.039 you are. Of course you're down. Get the just do you crawl back 184 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.200 to me if you can make it. I'm not going out there because I'm 185 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.399 gonna die. And so it wasn't quite that bad, but it was kind 186 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:37.600 of like, you know, four waves later and be like all right, 187 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.519 everybody, stick to where are you going? I just want to scout and 188 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.279 see it. I'm down. I'm going to get the scores down. I'm 189 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.600 down. I'm down, And then it would are you down? Yes, 190 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.720 you need to pick up? You need to pick up. We're like like 191 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.919 like assembling this list of jargon basically like shorthand for all the stuff we needed, 192 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.519 and so it's mostly like left right, need to pick up left, 193 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:00.960 right and need to pick up, which means that you're changing out ammo. 194 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.919 So we got to level fifty, which is the last level, which is 195 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.399 a boss wave, and they randomize the giant boss that's gonna give you a 196 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:11.559 hard time, right, So it's either gonna be a Brewmac one brewmac, 197 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.759 h a whole host of Reavers, which we thought would be the easy ones. 198 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.799 At least two berserkers. Yeah, two perserkers was one of four gunkers 199 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:30.799 is another one at least four gunkers, and uh, what was the one 200 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.879 where the armored Cantus came in? He came in with whom we got. 201 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:39.320 Armored Cantus is with revers with the reavers. So first wave, first shot, 202 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.200 Level fifty, we're in the cave. Bus See we got a and 203 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:48.519 you don't get the achievement until you beat fifty. We're excited. It's about 204 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.519 it's about one o'clock one thirty around there. I had no time. I 205 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:56.159 deal at the time was get a giant Brewmac and we're like, fuck, 206 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.519 okay, we're in the cave. Stay in the cave. We fight off 207 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.000 all of the little guys and pretty quickly too, because we were rolling at 208 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.720 that point. Everybody was still fresh, and we're like we're gonna beat it, 209 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.320 and then we realized, well oiled. Yeah, the Brumac had not 210 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.159 engaged us. At this point, We're like, oh shit, he totally 211 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.360 got stuck stuck on like the geometry because he's huge, and we're in this 212 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.360 little cave and like this is gonna all work out. Let's go fight the 213 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.039 brumat. No, we spill out of the cave, I think with within 214 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.960 like three minutes, everyone else is dead except for Brad. And we had 215 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:30.320 run into this situation probably about twenty waves ago, maybe ten, where Brad 216 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.799 everybody had wiped and Brad literally had to spend a half hour picking off a 217 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:35.879 Brumac by himself. I basically had to kite the fucking Brumac. I mean 218 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.799 luckily, the way this map is arranged, there's a big bottle of water 219 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:41.200 in the middle that nobody can walk on, so it's basically a big donut. 220 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:46.159 Yeah, So it's basically shriveling the the taking pot shots of the map. 221 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.919 Yeah, like dodging the rockets and the and the chain guns and just 222 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.960 picking it off. So we're like we're like okay, Brad, like we're 223 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.039 all dead but we have confidence you could be this. You did this before, 224 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.799 just do it again, and like and so we're all we're all spectator 225 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.279 can at this point being like he's coming out this way, he's coming this 226 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.799 way, watch out, and Brad was doing a great job. We're like 227 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.799 great, almost dead yeah, and then said ooop, like just dead out 228 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:13.399 of nowhere, just blown up and like a like just one of the rockets, 229 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.000 those drunken rockets that just kind of swarm I think what one literally like 230 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:20.279 did our homing just Liken hurled around the way up of the rocket I was 231 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:22.759 hiding behind and just like smacked me. And so we were like all right, 232 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:26.440 but it didn't take us very long to get up to that point again. 233 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.720 Like I said, we was like, that's actually kind of cheesy. 234 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.639 We'll just do it again. We do it again. Brumac, I think 235 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.240 we got a Brumac again, does not get caught in the jet, literally 236 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.080 walks clips through the cave of the cave with like half of its head inside 237 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:43.639 the top of it, just destroys everybody. Thirty seconds, we're all dead 238 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.720 again. And then it was dawning on us that wow, maybe that was 239 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:54.120 a random thing and we're all gonna be fucked. So fast forward two hours 240 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.799 later, we have now even wave the same way. We have now realized 241 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.559 that the odds of getting a Brumac are totally random because we we we got 242 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.440 berserkers sometimes instant death for us. We can't fight them because we're in this 243 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.960 cave. The berserkers just running and slaughter slaughter us. We got reavers, 244 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.080 which when we got the first time we got revers, we're like, fuck, 245 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:15.320 yeah, we pulled it four aces. This is gonna be easy. 246 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.159 Reavers are gonna go down, and they do go down. They go down 247 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.440 quickly, but they supplement that with harder regular guys. So you get like 248 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.279 the armored cantus. There's there's a cancers, there's grinders, there's boomers, 249 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.279 mullers, like everything is coming in all at once. We died like again 250 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:34.120 immediately. H the other one. The gunkers. Uh. I thought those 251 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:37.919 were the hardest actually, because we were like we got one and we got 252 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.080 a gunker and we're like, oh, this is the boss. The gunker. 253 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:44.279 Like everybody focused fire on them. We're like barely making it. Three 254 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:48.159 guys are down. We finally get one of the Gunker's almost dead and like, 255 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:51.120 I look outside and there's like four more of them out there. They're 256 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:53.799 like, this is totally hopeless. So finally, so we wand up doing 257 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.799 the thing where I like, let's try that little valley again. Let's get 258 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.320 out of the cave and try that. We try that for a again. 259 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.840 Forty five minutes. That doesn't work. You're trying the fortress again, and 260 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:14.960 that doesn't work for thirty minutes. Finally we get the Broomac again. This 261 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.200 is this is pretty late in the in the game, and we've had Broomax 262 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:19.839 before, but they're not getting caught in geometry and we're like, it's not 263 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:23.039 gonna happen. So everybody always looks him like he's the Bomac and he's like 264 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.720 he said, no, he's in the cave. You're yeah. This time 265 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.400 though, gets caught in geometry again, and so suddenly everybody's kind of just 266 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.240 everybody's fallen apart. At the time, it was so late, dude, 267 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.079 we were like walking on eggshells during that. As soon as we realized he 268 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.160 was stuck or like, all right, nobody fuck up, but it was 269 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:45.480 crazy. Everybody immediately snapped back into like drag, Yeah, it's just you 270 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.799 just watched everybody who was like for like the last hour and a half falling 271 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.880 apart, Like the group is getting like people just running across the map, 272 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.000 masturbating in a corner, just doing all sorts of weird ship. Suddenly it's 273 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.640 like like you just watched the group like tighten up into a little wad. 274 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.880 Everybody's like, okay, let's do it. Everybody's like back to back, 275 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:03.759 you know, yeah, and we did it perfectly. It was like, 276 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:08.240 all right, well here Drew died pretty early though it wasn't that early, 277 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.480 but but like it was working, like we were taking out the things like 278 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:15.480 we had the first time. It was really focused, were all very excited, 279 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.640 and I think we almost got everybody out for the Brumac fight. And 280 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.839 by this time we had realized do not stick together. From our first time 281 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.039 with the Brumac. Everybody just split up because if they if they get one 282 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.119 of you, they the rockets. I kill everybody basically be equidism from each 283 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:32.559 other. Yeah, I can't hit everybody at war, so we all spread 284 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:34.319 out and we're all trying to fight him. I got a couple of good 285 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.880 shots in and then I went down, like like out of the game. 286 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:40.119 With the one shot. I think you went and bought the one shot, 287 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.000 bought the one shot, and I got like three shots on his backpack, 288 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.599 on his backpack, trying to blow him up, and then I went down, 289 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.920 and I think it was Drew had been down by that point, and 290 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.200 Gary, I think went down pretty quickly. So it's Brad and Will. 291 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:57.640 And if we're looking at the overhead map, imagine two little dots on the 292 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:03.680 overhead map. It almost like Will is basically just chasing Brad's dot around the 293 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.960 map, but as they're they're trying to stay away from each other, but 294 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.880 they're also trying to keep continuously moving so the brumac doesn't kill them. So 295 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.079 you just see this one dot following this other dot, and the dot in 296 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.319 front, which is Brad yelling at the dot behind him to get the fuck 297 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.119 away from men, and the dot that is Will basically yelling at the dot 298 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:25.160 in front of him, being like, you gotta fucking run faster because I 299 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:26.920 can't turn around. There's a brumac behind me, but I had to keep 300 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.480 stopping because that's the only way to shoot that, right. So it's just 301 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.200 basically these dots like catching up and like moving moving around to map in a 302 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:38.759 clockwise circle. Finally they were able to get enough shots in where it looked 303 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:42.839 like everything was we're gonna take it home. And then Brad gets hit and 304 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:47.200 he goes down. It was literally roady running across a little open expanse and 305 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:48.359 like I didn't even see rockets coming in. I was just dead all of 306 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:53.960 a sudden. And so now it's Will left by himself at three in the 307 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.680 morning, trying to kill this brumac. And I think that would have been 308 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.200 it. I think I think that was been so heartbreaking. I don't think. 309 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:04.279 And then Brad has enough money to buy back. That was a thing. 310 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.240 I was sitting there watching. I was just like heading my hands. 311 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:08.400 I was just like, he's gonna die. We're not gonna get this, 312 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:11.480 like this is We're never gonna finish this. I'm gonna fucking cry right now. 313 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.799 And then I look at my money and I was like, I have 314 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.440 like twelve thousand dollars, just like this giant like yellow ye button FROMPT staring 315 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.920 me in the face like puss. Why to buy back in? I'm like, 316 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:25.000 so he bought away. I need this money for him spend it get 317 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:30.359 back into one. So he buys back in and uh and then Will is 318 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:34.720 like like suddenly hope his back line. Yeah, and they they start focusing 319 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:38.839 on on the Brewmac and he's bugging out, and then just suddenly just added 320 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:44.960 nowhere just explodes and like just all of a sudden, like tomic bob Eat 321 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.720 medals and ribbons ring up on the screen and we all get achievements and and 322 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.759 everything explodes and we're in seven hours later. Just oh man, that's good. 323 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.920 Lord. I didn't even I just never want to play hard moting everyone. 324 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:57.079 I didn't even get up and to go to the bathroom until like the 325 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.039 last thirty minutes. Like I didn't move from that ouch, like I was 326 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.960 hunched over. My legs were stiff, batteries are pretty much dead in my 327 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:08.640 controller, totally worth it. Don't want to play Horde Moode for a long 328 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:11.440 time. Yeah, it'll probably be a little while anyway. That's the story 329 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:18.400 of how we beat See You and Drew to and Drew and Will Smith from 330 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.440 Tested and Gary Wind and Gary and everybody everybody held together. I thought, 331 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.160 yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I was waiting for one dude. 332 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.920 I know I'm done guys, all right, So so pro tips on 333 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.960 the Masters for Hord mode players on that map, I say, if you're 334 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:38.240 in the cave, if you can, if you can force the environment to 335 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:42.480 keep your group as tight as possible, that is a plus. Don't depend 336 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:47.079 on people to stay near you make the environment keep them in a small, 337 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:49.319 tight, little group. And then when you have five guys shooting out one 338 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:55.000 thing, it is goes down way faster than if you guys are taking two 339 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.440 things out there. Do you think it's because of health regens? Do you 340 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.799 think there's like I don't know, I'm sure I don't know what the Masters 341 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.440 is going on. Yeah, I don't know what numbers are flying inside those 342 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.640 guys as you're shooting them, but continuitively multiple multiple shots at once. Yeah, 343 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.519 I mean the lancer is so effective in this game that like five lancers 344 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:15.720 focused on even the Boomers with the two point five x health, we'll go 345 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.400 down almost immediately, and which which at that point for us, was doing 346 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.440 much better than trying to defend two positions or trying to like, okay, 347 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:25.839 half you guys go here, half of you guys go here. It was 348 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.319 much easier to just get them one at a time, get everybody down to 349 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:33.160 not have anybody alive who can kill you in almost one shot on the map. 350 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:36.799 Also, the importance of the sawt off shotgun cannot be overstated. Oh 351 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.200 oh my god. Well, they will get incredible possible for them to stay 352 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:42.039 right. Yeah, especially the maulers will come right at you with their shields 353 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:45.839 and there's nothing you can do until you flank them. But you get right 354 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.279 up on with those guys with the sawt off, even those big guys on 355 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:52.240 the later waves, like just one trigger pull and they are literally deleted, 356 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:55.400 like they just vanish. It's it's amazing. I think. I think the 357 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.720 boom shield has its advantages for like guys who are like a Cantus or a 358 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:03.000 grind who would just have a fast pistol. You can almost tank with that. 359 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.200 It didn't work so much in the later levels because they literally were just 360 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:11.240 chewing through everybody. But you can chainsaw Cantus uh and that takes him out 361 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.319 of the game really quickly. If you try to shoot them, they roll 362 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.680 around a lot. They're they're hard to get ranged. Uh. Yeah, 363 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:21.480 shooting in the face. The armored ones, you definitely do. The armored 364 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:22.759 Cantus, I don't know. That thing is just like that's like a game 365 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:27.720 stopper. Yeah, campaign, I hate like scorcher first on the arms. 366 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:34.279 I think the scorcher might work on the candidate that things just work on the 367 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:38.559 cantus, it might. It makes it that makes it vulnerable to the campaign. 368 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.519 No, no, no, no, not on I don't think I'm 369 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.400 that guy. It does really the berserkers. It does scorchers. So the 370 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:48.039 berserkers. I when we were on the level fifty, we had two scorchers 371 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:53.279 and dudes just dumping five hundred rounds apiece into Berserker and we never got Like 372 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.240 you guys were wailing with the lasterers, and I put four active, reloaded 373 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.920 sought off shotgun rounds into that thing and it just didn't still didn't go to 374 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.480 one of them, never went down. And there were at least two of 375 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:04.039 them, were two of them at the same time that all the other big 376 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:07.519 asscouts. I don't know what we were Maybe we should have stuck it with 377 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.240 grenades or something like that. I don't know. You just don't know what 378 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:14.480 the strategy is. The strategy was wait until the next round. This was 379 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:17.960 all the normal. Yeah, how could you possibly beat this on hardcore and 380 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:19.319 insane? I have no idea. It was fun though I'm sure, I'm 381 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.200 sure people will do it. It was. It was one of the most 382 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.519 entertaining and memorable we have to experiences. Though I can't I can't see how 383 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:27.799 you would do it with we were we were exploited, I know, but 384 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:32.200 I'm it's on a harder difficulties that I mean, maybe that's just high level 385 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:36.599 gears play is exploiting, or you must have to know so much, so 386 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.559 much knowledge about how long it takes to Maybe it's just, yeah, a 387 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.960 matter of finding like the cave like is finding like specific strategies. It were 388 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.920 a specific waves for specific boom shield as barriers. And also at this point 389 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.680 we were barely using defenses, the static defenses right, because there was just 390 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.000 like if you use that stuff optimal, it would help fun. Yeah, 391 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.759 we were kind of figuring it were no masters, were just a bunch of 392 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.240 dudes found our sales in a tough sounds It sounds like having money in later 393 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:03.559 stages is important. It is, but you gained so much money from those 394 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.160 rounds, like every time we got dumped back in we actually had a decent 395 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:10.319 amount of saving graces of the money you earn on a wipe you keep when 396 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.200 you go back in, So they're not they're not Yeah, they're not chopping 397 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.440 your legs off that much. Really start over. No, No, And 398 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.759 also I didn't know if I mentioned this, the both the cave and that 399 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.640 other little valley the mirror side of the cave have an ammal box in it, 400 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.240 so that, you know, response, you have to pay five hundred 401 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:29.319 bucks to get your AMMO back. The little cave that's that's not far from 402 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:32.880 the like the little base that's kind of out there, right, there's a 403 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.799 little uh it's it's like around the corner from like the cargo ship stuff. 404 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.960 Okay, yeah, uh yeah, So there's a there's a amal box in 405 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.880 there, which was because you chew through, yeah, an entire magazine and 406 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:47.119 one guy, so that was it was a great place to be. You 407 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.920 know what what, I'll totally do it again. You would, I totally 408 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.039 would would you put it? Would you go up to hardcore? Would you 409 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:59.519 skip right to insane? S ranked that game? Are you kidding? Yes? 410 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.319 Have you looked at the seriously achievement? Seriously have you looked at it? 411 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:04.799 You know, you tell me about it. I don't know. It's 412 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.960 probably the craziest single achievement I have ever seen in a game. Ever, 413 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.640 What is it? It looks like it would take years to get, like 414 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:15.200 maybe months at the number. Absolutely, it's not a number. It's not 415 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.920 just kill X number of guys. It's do everything in the game. It's 416 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.119 get the get every onyx medal in the game, and reach level a hundred, 417 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.440 Like hitting level a hundred is nothing but the medals. Yeah, some 418 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:32.039 of those are fucking insanity. That's just time, right, that's just well 419 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.480 time, it's time and skill. Yeah. So I mean there's there's medals 420 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:40.200 for doing stuff like beating Horde on insane. Oh, but there's there's also 421 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:42.839 stuff like, uh, the example I read of one was there's one for 422 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:48.960 like a revenge getting the certain revenge ribbon and multiplayer where the same person has 423 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.359 to kill you three times and then you kill the person. The lowest level 424 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.200 of that medal is doing that one hundred and seventy five times. Jesus, 425 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.759 that very specific scenario in multiplayer that you can't like, you can't contrive or 426 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.279 set that up like that just has to happen. I guess you could match 427 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.079 it was it is it ranked on name? I don't think so. But 428 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:11.079 that's only with seventy five for the first times, three more after that, 429 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.359 which probably goes up to like a thousand of those. And that's just one 430 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.519 medal. Yeah, it's I think you're right, that's gotta be months or 431 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:19.960 year. One of the medals is just simply playing. Uh, it's a 432 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:25.559 number of multiplayer matches that I think is like well over ten thousand multiplayer matches. 433 00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.839 Seriously, seriously, seriously, Well this is the last Gear game. 434 00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:33.720 Yeah, for a couple of years. I mean it makes sense totally. 435 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.559 Somebody, somebody will get that stuff. But it's just that was fun. 436 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:42.000 It was fun. It was fun. Yeah, I wish Joey was he 437 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:47.559 had another play date, but I wish we could have done six because uh, 438 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.960 he really wanted to do that as well, and I know none of 439 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.240 us wanted to do that anytime soon. So Joey's off on his own. 440 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.039 Joey's got a group though, he's got it. He's got a group of 441 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:02.440 dudes that he's playing with. Yeah, that's that's fun. That's just good 442 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.160 fun, just good clean fun. I wish it weren't as long. It's 443 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.960 a little marathony, but I guess it makes for a better experience. It 444 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.319 is possible, depending on what you're there for. Like, if you're trying 445 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.200 to get the achievement, Uh, you can do it piecemeal, right. 446 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.680 You can start at like forty The milestones are just in sets of ten waves, 447 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:18.440 so we could have started at forty one and gone to fift. You 448 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.079 have to clear those first or yeah, you have to work your way up 449 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:23.279 to it, but you can do that in multiple sittings. But there is 450 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.359 We did get a ribbon for doing one to fifty straight in one game. 451 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.400 But if you if you if you just wanted to do it in if it's 452 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.960 just getting to beating fifty was your goal, that's all you care about, 453 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.079 you could just do it in like two hour checks. Yeah. Yeah, 454 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:42.640 it was fun. We've forged a bond. Yeah. I played some single 455 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.279 player gears. We're working through that. I beat that. What did you 456 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.480 finished that? I finished that. I finished that. One thing we were 457 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.160 talking about the office that I wish they had done is that I deeply regret 458 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:57.279 playing it on normal. Yeah. Too easy, way too easy. It's 459 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.799 just I'm just walking through it, especially when I was I played through probably 460 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:06.400 three fourths of the game. Three player co op friends Normal and it's just 461 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.200 laughable, like and the thing is that they just like, you know, 462 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.960 I play most games on Normal just because that's yeah, that's still always I 463 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.720 always assume that's how those But I've always played the Halo games on Heroic because 464 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:19.079 the game, you know, it gives you the indication that you know, 465 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.640 this is how it's meant to be played. We're bounding, like the game 466 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.720 in the description implies to you if you're if you're if you've played shooters before 467 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.960 and you've played Halo before, this is harder, but you'll you'll you're gonna 468 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.440 enjoy it more. And I've always enjoyed the Halo games more playing it on 469 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:37.039 Heroic's. Even in the spots that are get me really frustrated, frasing in 470 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:38.720 Halo is very clear. It says this is the way Halo was meant to 471 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.160 be play, the way it's meant to be played, And you know, 472 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.920 if you played Halo before, played on this. Like the in Gears, 473 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:47.240 they try to do something similar, but the way they put it is Gears 474 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:51.119 at its finest, which is which doesn't necessarily communicate, hey, you should 475 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.400 play it on this movie. Yeah, if you're like at all, confidence 476 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.119 yeah, so you don't play it on normal, But but do any achievements 477 00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.000 stack, Like, if you beat it onsane, do you get the hard 478 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.000 hardcore? Yeah? Okay, so I beat it on hardcore. I got 479 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:07.559 all dude. So my plan is to get through it on normal, which 480 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.720 which is I guess it's just gonna take me a couple more hours because I'm 481 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:15.440 not not the longest game, especially if you're playing it you're normal where you're 482 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.880 not going to run into battles of attrition both the difficulty over right now if 483 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.480 you want to know. But but then I'm gonna play through it, I 484 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.680 think on four player. Once I got halfway through and I was like, 485 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:26.640 you know, normal's not that fun. I was like, well, I'll 486 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.440 get through this. Then I'll play through it again later on a hard difficulty 487 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.559 and I'll just because then you need the co op achievement for going through all 488 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.079 the chapters. That's I kind of like to see it on Arcade, like 489 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:40.200 with that Campaignade mode. So turn on the confetti and the laugh track? 490 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:42.839 Does that turn on? Does Arcade turn off the story? Is it purely 491 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:47.720 just love us? I don't think so, but I think you can skip 492 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:49.799 all that stuff. But so far it's fun. I mean, it's not 493 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.480 blowing me away, and it's it's kind of a I feel like more of 494 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.359 a known quantity than a lot of stuff. But it's completely I don't mean 495 00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.680 for this to sound dismissive, but it's completely competent like it is. It 496 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:06.000 is what I want from third entry into Gears of World franchise. I think 497 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:10.680 some of the story stuff has been overstated without well, I think all nothing, 498 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.200 nothing, nothing happens in this game. I wouldn't say that until the 499 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:18.160 end. Okay, the beginning, stuff happens, nothing happens. In the 500 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:23.920 middle of stuff happens, and nothing stuff happens, but nothing of story consequence, 501 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:30.160 interesting scenarios occur. No, like everything happens at the end. Yeah, 502 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.880 but I don't want to get too much. Want nothing that you don't 503 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.079 see coming, you know. I regard the Gears story stuff as like, 504 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.920 if it's any good, that's a nice bonus. That's what I was gonna 505 00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.119 say. Any of the praise that we've heeped on this game has been relative 506 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.640 to yeah, I would yeah, it's it's yeah, it's much better games. 507 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.799 I will say. The thing that is is very nice about what they're 508 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.200 doing now is that they're they're almost if this makes sense, they're almost doing 509 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.000 that kind of half life style of basically you finished something, and by finishing 510 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.039 something, you have immediately set up the next part of your journey. There's 511 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.920 no like fade the black and then a hard cut, Like there's no good 512 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.640 resting spot, there's no place where you just want to put the controller down 513 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.920 and be like, all right, that's a good place to take a break. 514 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.000 I'm gonna move on. It's very much like I kind of want to 515 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.200 see what's gonna happen next. I want to see what's gonna happen next. 516 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.680 I don't know if that changes later on, but there's definitely not like three 517 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.839 days later, well they they I will say they break up. The game's 518 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.319 nine incredibly long, but the acts are about similar length. So each act 519 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.119 is you know, probably an hour and a half two hours, so that 520 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.400 if you just wanted to play in chunks, you get a good all right 521 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.599 done with this action. I'll come back to it. But yeah, mid 522 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.279 like individual chapters, the momentum is good, like I just go want to 523 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.039 keep moving, right, He'll just enter a new area and it says next 524 00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.680 chapter that there wasn't really a stopping point. I just went around the corner 525 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.440 or you know, they set something up at the end of this chapter that 526 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.240 you want to see how it's almost like turning the next page in the book, 527 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.599 just like I want to see what happens. There was one spot and 528 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.799 Brad talking to you. It sounds like the same spot you took a break 529 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.799 at, which was where I'm at where I just met iced tea. And 530 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:06.160 it's like he's basically like a Marcus, like, ay, iced tea, 531 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.319 blah blah blah. Here's this big mission you're gonna go on. It's like, 532 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.160 okay, thanks, I'm gonna take a break, I'm gonna come back. 533 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.720 It seems like this is the next phase of what we're gonna do here. 534 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.039 It's not actually very long, but it was definitely the one spot where 535 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.799 I was like, all right, everybody gets some rest, Team Phoenix, 536 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:27.519 go sleep it off. We're gonna start this iced tea stuff maybe over the 537 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.000 weekend or something like that. Enjoy your time and Horde mode. The Delta 538 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.839 squad Delta squad, and I don't think they're all Delta squad though this is 539 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.960 point yeah, there is no Delta squad. I think at this point they're 540 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:39.839 just the gears. I mean that was part of my problem, is that 541 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.559 like reading like I have a problem with the game's lack of characterization for these 542 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:46.359 new characters, like I don't know who this girl is, I don't know 543 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:50.160 who Jas is, Like they're just gonna dropped in, and like you're supposed 544 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.319 to care about these new characters. I was like, what I like different? 545 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:53.200 I don't really care about Mark's to begin with, and I know I 546 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:58.240 don't know so they're all like really important in the books and comics and the 547 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.559 game. Just if you don't follow that stuff, that makes zero attempt to 548 00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:07.359 try and get integrate that just into the game characterization of the of like this 549 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.679 this these new people, I mean, they're just there. You mean he's 550 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:14.079 still in Lion's Star Quarterbacks s. I didn't know what you were talking about 551 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.320 when you sent me a message saying that he was in the game until I 552 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.760 finally you said that, and I was like, oh God, I heard 553 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.639 the voice come out of dude that was running along next to me, and 554 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.159 I just thought he was gonna like start calling audibles or something. That was 555 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.800 like, is that him? That's totally him. We should call coach Taylor 556 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.679 and find out how we take down this bru Max. You think you would 557 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.760 know? Jas was definitely in two though, was he? Yeah? I 558 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.599 remember him at all. Marcus just screaming Jas a couple of times. God 559 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:44.239 damn it, Jason, I was Jeffrey. Yeah, that's the Gears of 560 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.880 War. Yeah, the Gears of War War War. I want to hear 561 00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:51.480 your thoughts on the ending right now. Well, having played once, you 562 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.760 see the end, all right, So yeah, I don't the ending. 563 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.199 I don't. I don't. I didn't feel nearly as much closure as Jeff 564 00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:01.880 seemed to leave one giant fu answer. Yeah. The one thing that you 565 00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.159 want to know the most desperately is the thing they don't answer. I would 566 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.079 say that it's probably fair anyway, it's frustrating. Stop there, games like 567 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.320 games leaving. It was just a dream, very happy. No, there 568 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.039 you go. Nope, it was all in Hurley's dream. Yeah. He 569 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:22.480 brings oxygen to Sarah by putting his hand on the give the people their air. 570 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.599 Yes, that's right, maake care of Ell. What else you find 571 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.119 any time to to to play anything else? Recently? You know? I 572 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.599 had a I had a actually really fantastic weekend that didn't involve too many video 573 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.199 games. That's great. Yeah, it was. It was I had a 574 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.440 bunch of stuff to do on Friday, so I didn't actually come into work. 575 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:44.960 So it was one of those three day weekends. Yeah, quasi quasi 576 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.639 three day weekends. Having a week day, we can go and get other 577 00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:52.800 stuff done. It was fantastic. Uh buy some cables, no, I 578 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.960 avoided. I did a lot of household repair stuff. So I clean my 579 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.519 apartment, sharpened all my Uh. I had a bunch of cooking knives and 580 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:07.360 needed the sharpened, sharpened those, uh, fixed the lamp. You know, 581 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.760 just stuff that like I'm gonna make stuff human again. I feel like 582 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:16.360 a human being again, like a craftsman with your hands. Yeah, something 583 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.679 that's productive. So at the end of the weekend, like, yeah, 584 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.440 I got a receipt, I got a life receipt that says, here's what 585 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.000 you did this week. You can look around, you can see the fruits 586 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.320 of your labors. Yeah. I like that. Uh So, Yeah, 587 00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.000 a lot of great stuff that was. Uh, you know, I've got 588 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:36.559 a lot of unreported expenses. Well, you know, one of those things 589 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.039 where you're just like, man, I dumped I spent forty hours and gears 590 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:44.639 Award and I got ship out of it. Just say so, you cashed 591 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:50.199 in your weekend for yeah, and a bunch of other stuff, and you 592 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.360 know whatever I've spent. I've spent enough of those weekends to know the difference 593 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.920 of feeling what it's like on the other side of it. But I did 594 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:01.719 wind up playing some more Taslemania. Uh oh, you know what, I 595 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.079 guess I can talk about it now. So I've been playing some Dark Souls 596 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:15.880 and justin braceful sequel to Demon Souls Spiritual from from the makers of Demons Souls. 597 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.280 I wouldn't I don't think this necessarily. I think it's more final fantasy 598 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.639 esque in the sense of like these universes don't really I thought it was the 599 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.199 rich fiction that everyone came to Demon Souls for, and so the continuation of 600 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:31.199 that story is obviously. I think they're technically different ips. Yeah, I 601 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:37.840 mean they're different publishers and stuff. It's it's very similar, yeah, close 602 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:45.199 to them, Yes, it's extremely Did they make the same game there are 603 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:50.480 it's a mod uh total conversion, which which is you know what, that's 604 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:58.320 exactly what people who really like Demon Souls are gonna want that game has all 605 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:04.199 of the things that made Demon Souls demon Souls bad, good or bad. 606 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.840 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say whether it's good or bad the things that 607 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.760 define demon Souls for me. Within minutes, you're like, oh, yeah, 608 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.280 of that. I actually actually within a half hour, within minutes, 609 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.840 I was like, oh, you know, maybe they kind of maybe they 610 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.280 lighten the load a little bit on this, And then within a half hour 611 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.519 I was like, no, they have not. Uh so, yeah, 612 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:31.159 can you explain free I mean, we can't, can't guess for other people, 613 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.920 but can you explain the attraction of demon Souls and dark souls for you? 614 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.440 For me, I don't know what drives people to play Horde mode one 615 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.039 to fifty in one sitting. Well, the attract the attraction for me. 616 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.239 The attraction for me was it was literally I want to understand why people are 617 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:50.519 so attracted to this game because I had, I had jumped into it, 618 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:52.280 and we should, I should say, in all honesty. When we got 619 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:58.400 our copy of Demon Souls from Atlas or yeah, Demon Souls from Atlas, 620 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:04.159 it came with a disk. We got a disk to Demon Souls on it. 621 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.960 It was like not the retail version, and they were like, here, 622 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:08.559 check this out, and we were like, here's a disk, okay, 623 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.679 and we put it in and we're like, what the F Well, 624 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.440 that's right. It was like an unstamped disc. It didn't have trophies on 625 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:20.400 it. It was like like sort of weirdly pre and it was just I 626 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.079 don't I don't really understand what I'm supposed to be doing here. And it 627 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.360 wasn't like I'm just gonna go online and see what I'm supposed to be doing 628 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.840 here, and there was that didn't exist yet, but at this point there 629 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.559 was at least a little bit of like from Japan, buzz yeah, people, 630 00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.159 I love this game in Japan. It's getting real hot over there. 631 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.519 We got to check it out and then and not like the retail game came 632 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:45.039 with much more explanation, but when you're saying it was a real wild West 633 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:46.320 when we first got Demon Sol, yeah, and when we did that quick 634 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.280 look, I mean I had to put about twenty hours or something, and 635 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.760 by that point I still had no idea what that was going on. So 636 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:57.079 when I when I went back to it, uh to actually understand what Demonsils 637 00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:02.280 was. The game had blossomed into this uh you know, almost legendary thing 638 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:07.400 on the internet that you can go on and literally just look at stat sheets, 639 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.599 and it looked like, uh, you know, every rubric you'd want 640 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:14.920 to see about, how to make a class, how to do this, 641 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.599 had to speed run the game in thirty seconds, you know, how to 642 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.159 take your time with it. So there was a there was a wealth of 643 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.519 information online that made getting through that game much that did not exist. Yeah, 644 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:29.159 all the supplementary stuff that you'd want explained was explained. And now I'm 645 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.400 kind of feel like I'm back with dark souls to that, like, gosh, 646 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.760 I really just want to talk to somebody who's who's played through this and 647 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.079 asked them should I go up the stairs or down the stairs? Don't go 648 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:42.559 down the stairs. I went down the stairs, and I spent about an 649 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.840 hour and a half seeing if I should go down the stairs, until I 650 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.440 realized I should probably not go down the stairs. What was your time to 651 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:51.440 getting one shot at by something you did not see coming one shot in? 652 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:55.519 Yeah, it's probably a couple of hours. Really dead, Yeah, I'm 653 00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.000 sure death was immediate. Yeah, Yeah, death was sudden and swift. 654 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:06.920 Yeah, blood time to blood stain, like twenty minutes. Uh, here's 655 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.199 here's here's what's good about coming from Demon Souls into Dark Souls. I knew 656 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.599 and I knew this going in, So everybody who is already gonna holler at 657 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.760 me for the story, I kind of knew this. You do your character 658 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.960 creation right, and it's the same thing like Demon Souls. You get to 659 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.639 pick a bunch of different classes, but they don't really lock you in. 660 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.320 It's just how they've distributed some of the points initially, so it's not like 661 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:30.159 if you pick what you could would call maybe like a magic class, that 662 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.039 you're gonna be locked into a magic class. This is how they kind of 663 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.960 biased the points they give you initially, and it's not even that huge difference 664 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:43.320 anyway. In Demon Souls, the first you know, the original one that 665 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.360 Dark Souls, there are some classes that you were easier to start out with 666 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:51.679 than others. And in Dark Souls, going down ls, there's the night 667 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.719 again, right, and he's in his armor and you're like, fucking just 668 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:59.360 looks cool. And I know he was not that you should not pick him, 669 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.519 but I picked him and I was like, he just looks he's got 670 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.199 all his armor on everybody else is like in rags, you know, and 671 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.760 you're like, guys got arms. This guy's got armories the Night and I 672 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:15.440 pick him, and I within five seconds of being spawned, I remembered exactly 673 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.239 why you don't pick the Night, because if you're over fifty percent encumbrance on 674 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.559 your character, you can no longer move quickly or dodge quickly, and you 675 00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.079 just need to die. You need to be able to do that. So 676 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:35.159 immediately I was like, fuck, really again, like this is just like 677 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.119 I looked at how much encumbrance I have. It's like, I'm totally it's 678 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.360 starting the game over encumbered. And it doesn't not fully over encumbered, but 679 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.679 just over fifty percent over fifty percent, which is pretty much over encumbered. 680 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.679 If you can't if you can't roll with enough speed, you're dead. Yeah 681 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.800 I am. I'm dead because you take hits even when you're a Night with 682 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.880 the armor on. This is gonna kill you in one shot. So is 683 00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:59.400 there a way to play that character that is not the way you play the 684 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.480 character? I'm sure there is. Yeah, I'm sure there is, but 685 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.199 the way you play the way. The way I had to get through Demon 686 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.000 Souls was roll the fuck out of the way of a guy who's going to 687 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:13.480 smash you. So anyway, long story short, instead of rolling a new 688 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.159 character, I played through the entire first level in my underwear, just took 689 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:22.920 off all the equipment and was able to beat the first level in my underwear 690 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:28.480 versus the equipment they start you out with because I tried putting the armor back 691 00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.079 on. Like you said, Patrick, maybe I'm not playing them right. 692 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:37.440 I couldn't do it. Anyway. That game is fantastically Demon Souls, And 693 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.280 we'll do a quick look and we'll get in there and I'm play some more 694 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:45.360 and we'll see how it goes. But everybody who wants more Demon Souls it 695 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.719 should be very excited. I think the appeal of that game is literally getting 696 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.239 pushed on the ground, kicked in the nuts and then getting up and beating 697 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:57.719 it like it's it's a game for Massacus, like they want to be punished 698 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.199 and then find a way to get around it. Like I kind of want 699 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.159 to just keep going to see they're there are just cool things to see in 700 00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:09.719 the in the fucking scary tooth monster awful like vertical mall. Like just so 701 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:15.599 this the other thing I'll mention and we'll talk about it more as as the 702 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:21.760 game opens itself up to people, uh like a mall. There are things 703 00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.000 called bonfires. Now the world is set up differently. Whereas there was a 704 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:27.960 hul point. Yeah, the check woins in the demo sells there was a 705 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.440 hub world and you jump in and it's like, hey, do you want 706 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.920 to go to a world? One one one two, one three, one 707 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.000 four one five. I don't think Dark Cells has at this time. I 708 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:38.599 think it's more of just kind of an open world, wander around a different 709 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.079 sections. Heard it's much bigger. Everything I'm reading is that it's a much 710 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.079 larger world. Stuff to tell, I don't know. Yeah, it's like 711 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.199 there's an over like a map that says, well, I think you're a 712 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.000 fire dungeon. I think you're kind of traveling more in this one than like 713 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:57.239 just picking the different spots or start more organic. Yeah. So they're these 714 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.360 things called bonfires, which are almost like checkpoints fires. I like bonfires, 715 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.159 so you rest at them. Love bonfires, and you get your health back, 716 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.440 and you can actually refill this flask which gives you full energy when you 717 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.039 use it. It's fantastics, got like eight uses on it. When the 718 00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.760 downside, Uh, no downside, No downside, Well you have to there's 719 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.320 an animation for drinking it, and you probably die while you're doing that animation 720 00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:22.880 drinking it. I wouldn't be surprised if one out of every like ten drinks 721 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.719 is just poisoning. Straight death and erasis are saved. Anyway, there's not 722 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.079 really any downside, and that's what made me initially think like, oh wow, 723 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.599 they really they must They threw everybody a bone, like this is amazing, 724 00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.719 And then I was like, oh, these bonfires are great because they 725 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:42.440 checkpoint you, so if you die, you actually start the bonfire instead of 726 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:47.199 the beginning of the level. Incredibly useful though, When you activate a bonfire 727 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:53.119 to recover your health and checkpoint yourself, it's like you are you are basically 728 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:58.960 respawning every enemy on the map. So if you have cleared out, if 729 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.800 you've cleared out of a portion of the world ahead of you, and you're 730 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.480 like, I should go back and checkpoint that because that was really hard fight. 731 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.079 If you checkpoint yourself and use the bonfire again, that enemy, all 732 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.639 those enemies will respond again, so you basically have to fight your way back 733 00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.719 through it. So use there a risk reward, Like maybe you got a 734 00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:16.199 big drop and you're like, I don't I don't want to lose this drop. 735 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.079 Is there any why like why would you want to go to the checkpoint? 736 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:24.400 Well, basically so you know how, you don't have to revisit the 737 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.920 same area. You don't have to fight through previous areas to get back to 738 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.880 where you are. Okay, So he's not gonna be very often where like 739 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.599 you go forward and then come back. It's like you just go forward, 740 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.239 want to get to the next bond, Like basically, yeah, you'll just 741 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.519 want to keep going forward. Uh. Or if you want a farm, 742 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.280 if you just literally want to farm stuff, like you know, hey, 743 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:45.719 these guys are gonna drop something. Yeah, I can just sit here. 744 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.039 I mean there, you're all gonna drop souls, So you can basically sit 745 00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:52.199 there and just farm souls over and over and over again. Uh. It's 746 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:58.400 it's still tough. Game is still very very hard. And the thing I 747 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.000 know that is intentional now is they want you to figure all this stuff out. 748 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:06.719 It's not it's not from incompetence. It's not like they're leaving intentionally mysterious. 749 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.880 It's intentionally vague, and it's intentionally obtuse, and they want you to 750 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.280 basically learn from the players who are leaving notes on the ground and stuff like 751 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:22.360 that, they here's how much of that was intentional design? Or just what 752 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:24.840 the world how the world responded to that game, you know what I mean? 753 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.800 Like how much did they just make this game and then the world interpreted 754 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.159 it this way and then they've they've or how much of that was? I 755 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.480 think it's all intentional at this point in the game. I think I think 756 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:40.079 they are really tapping into this market of these people who really want this game 757 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.159 and doing whatever they can to make it more obscure and obtuse now. But 758 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.559 it's like they want this or they it's a response to the opposite of how 759 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:52.719 every other game is made today. Like even you know, talking to the 760 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.920 people that are involved in you know, promoting games like this, like everything 761 00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:00.119 about this game is even even like the way from Software talks about the game 762 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.880 like they don't want to. You know, that story that came out of 763 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.039 Japan of them, I love that fucking story of them sending in high level 764 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.639 was it phantoms? Ye, black phantoms? Black phantoms draw and putting in 765 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:15.000 max level black phantoms into the world with it with the best items to kill 766 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.880 players that managed to get copies of the game ahead of street date. Like 767 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.119 that's great, yeah, because that's exactly what those players wanted. Yeah, 768 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:28.599 it sounds it is both like keep people from getting further into the game before, 769 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.639 like having an unfair advantage prior to the game's release, and then also 770 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.719 giving those people exactly what they wanted. So like that game really more than 771 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:37.280 a lot of games. And there are a lot of games that make me 772 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.519 feel this way, but they're fewer and far between now because games are so 773 00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:46.400 short now that really make me long for being like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen 774 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:52.559 years old, having a summer off and just playing Dark Souls, like I 775 00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.480 just on my schedule and the way my life is now, it's not It's 776 00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:01.960 not the one game I can give sixty seven in the hours with over the 777 00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.760 course of like you know, a year. Yeah, over the time it 778 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.119 would take to not want to slip my wrists and try and get through it 779 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:12.840 in a week or two weeks. It's a it's a long haul game, 780 00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.840 I think, and to really enjoy it without going online and finding the shortest 781 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:21.480 routes. And it's a really game about discovery and punishment and nuanced and just 782 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.920 and just heavy repetition and employing the schools you've learned. And that's I think 783 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:29.360 it's fantastic at that And if that was the only game I had to buy 784 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:31.760 for, I would totally do it and I would probably enjoy the hell out 785 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:37.159 of it. But nowadays, I just the pace is so crazy here with 786 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.599 all the games we have to play and the time I have to play games. 787 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.440 I mean, I've got I've got knives to sharpened. So anyway, 788 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:49.679 yeah, that's it so far. That's my experience of Dark Souls. I've 789 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.679 dumped more than more than a few hours in there, and I'm going to 790 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.280 continue going at it. Matt Rory is actually going to try it out, 791 00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.679 so he really liked Demon Souls. He's a huge Demons, so yeah, 792 00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:04.639 he really really enjoyed it, so he's gonna put some time into it as 793 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:08.920 well and we'll get some different perspectives on it. So yeah, it might 794 00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:12.559 sound like I'm dismissive of that game, but I actually think it's It's quite 795 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.000 fascinating and really well done for what it what it aims to do well. 796 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.000 I describe describe when I patar the game. It's a lot like I look 797 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.639 at ev Online, like, you know what, I can't get into that 798 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:23.800 that curve is just too much for me. I see why people love it. 799 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:29.239 I love hearing stories of people playing it. Like the experiences people have 800 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.000 playing those games are just I would rather really interesting. I would rather read 801 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.760 a blog about Online or Demon Souls than ever play either of those games once. 802 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.559 Well. Also, also I think, and not to talk too much 803 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:44.199 about this game, but I think coming in the second time around with Dark 804 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.800 Souls and it being so similar to the first one, I am a lot 805 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:52.000 more forgiving of the design choices. Because this is now a known quantity. 806 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:57.320 Anybody who's jumping into Dark Souls should have a really good idea of what that 807 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.760 game is game. You know what the learning curve is like and where the 808 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.400 demon souls. It was like, how can you? Yes, the game 809 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:08.760 is rewarding and fascinating and you had to penetrate so much to get to the 810 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.119 right the reason and it also no one knew It's not like ahead of that 811 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.719 game's release, everyone was like communicating this is not necessarily for you just because 812 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.559 you like action games with swords or even that, like, you know the 813 00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.239 stuff that we're not going to tell you. We're gonna expect you to just 814 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.559 either figure out or find out online like that. Those were the design choices 815 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:29.639 in the first one that I was like, it's I'm not sure how much 816 00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.559 I can forgive here of like handing me this game and being like I'm not 817 00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:36.320 never gonna teach you how you use magic figure it out, Like I don't 818 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.320 that's too much for me right now. But but but Dark shows I kind 819 00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:43.000 of expect that now, and it's like, all right, well, I'll 820 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.079 steal myself for that, and like I kind of I got your number from 821 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.559 software. I know, I know what I'm up against here, and so 822 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.679 I almost can look at that as more of like here's what the Souls series 823 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:57.440 is like, and if you're into that, then man, run for it, 824 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.320 go run to the need. I don't know how you pr against that. 825 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.599 I don't know how you don't you just let it be. Well. 826 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.639 I mean, like, so you know the first game they had that, 827 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.760 I remember seeing that it like TGS O eight oh nine whatever the ts was 828 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:16.199 that we went to wait and seeing that at the Sony booth and going back 829 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.119 there and it's like, oh, we hadn't seen this game before. It's 830 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.239 from from from Software. Let's go, Sony's publishing it, let's go check 831 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:23.000 it out. Doesn't have next in it, so let's check it out. 832 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.199 So we went, and you know, I went into the Sony booth and 833 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.880 go through the press line and get into the back and and and play the 834 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:35.440 game. And it sounds like a horrible way to be introduced to that game. 835 00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:37.800 And yeah, like like TGS show for like I've got headphones on or 836 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.559 whatever, and there's this big, like lengthy opening like pan ends and I'm 837 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.320 like, okay, like some sort of like medieval thing, got it? 838 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:46.880 And I started playing, you know, like, man, this doesn't look 839 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:51.679 very good like at this and at this point in you know, PlayStation Three's 840 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:52.639 life, That's kind of what it was about. It was like, how 841 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.719 how pretty can it? P S three game B I'm like, just looks 842 00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.360 terrible And I just died and then you just respond me, what this is 843 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:04.440 terrible? Like yeah, the worst possible impression that game could have made. 844 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.880 And that's still how I remember Demon Souls so and and you know, it's 845 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:14.360 it's it's kind of like it's the the MMO conundrum of how do you explain 846 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:19.760 this, you know rich, you know endgame content that exists when you have 847 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.559 to spend one hundred hours playing the games we're demo. Yeah, it's like 848 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:28.800 it's like you have fifteen minutes to experience this and have some idea of what 849 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.519 this is about. Some games lend themselves better that to that than than others. 850 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.400 And then you're vinding your points about the lifestyle I think are spotifying. 851 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.519 No, not a lot of people can well have the interest like you think 852 00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:43.920 of the potential audience. So okay, people who who are interested in video 853 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.360 games, all right, that's that's the biggest possible audience you can have. 854 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:52.840 That's a couple of people, all right, People who are interested in a 855 00:53:53.079 --> 00:54:00.599 super punishing experience, let's let's just say more than your average challenge. Some 856 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.199 people will say that game is very easy. Some people will not. I 857 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:09.559 happen to think that it's it's rather punishing and some of their choices. Some 858 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:14.079 people think you just have to play slower. My impression of it is that 859 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:19.239 it's the climbing mount everest of video games. But like the reward, I'm 860 00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.159 wrong, Well just I mean, like in that category, basically the hardest 861 00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.199 thing you could do. I see, I don't think that's necessarily true. 862 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:29.239 I don't. I don't think that game in itself. I think the thing 863 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.199 is that it doesn't do a lot of carrot dangling. It's it's not really 864 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:36.239 about like like all right, come on, make it on. Like it 865 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.000 doesn't try and goad you forward with stuff. It's just like, no, 866 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.320 this is impenetrable. This is very hard, right, which is which is 867 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:45.679 what draws a certain segments to the game, Like the challenge is so weird. 868 00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:50.119 It's not like any one thing is well. Some of the bosses are 869 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:54.840 just stupid and like they'll I don't know the bosses aside, nothing is really 870 00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:02.079 that hard. Uh. The hard part comes from trying to manage your patience 871 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:07.960 in going through, because as you die and have to replay each part over 872 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:13.360 and over again and you lose souls. The my nature is to try and 873 00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:15.920 get through it as quickly as possible, to get back to the point I 874 00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.280 was at, which could be a half hour an hour away. You can't 875 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.519 do that. You have to take each step as meticulously as you did the 876 00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:30.679 first time through, because any room for any mistake you make could lead to 877 00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:35.280 your death really quickly. Not to say that it's super hard in that way. 878 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.960 I don't mean that, but it requires a certain amount of patience. 879 00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.760 Patience also the antithesis of how you can play. You can play other games. 880 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.400 You just say, I'm just gonna run through this part. I'm done 881 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:45.039 with this part. I don't want to mess with it, like I already 882 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.880 conquered. Right. You have to treat every encounter as though it's the first 883 00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:51.679 time you encountered it, and then it's life threatening. Yes, there's no 884 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.039 fodder. It's basically just like this one dude, this little guy here, 885 00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:59.519 if I swing too much or where's the waste myndwer, he could kill me. 886 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:05.039 And so knowing that and having it be your tenth time through that, 887 00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.760 and having knowing that you are forty five minutes out from where you died, 888 00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:14.039 can be very taxing on you to take that encounter very slowly, dodged and 889 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.639 hits, hit him again, move forward. That's the challenge. I think 890 00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:20.400 that that's the part that's hard. Also, the part where you're like, 891 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.400 this guy is so fucking hard. He's killing me in three shots. It 892 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.679 takes me a half I can beat him, but it takes me a half 893 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:30.360 hour rolling around might even in the right area, like should I even be 894 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:35.280 here, And then like walking two steps forward and a giant dragon blows fire 895 00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.880 on You're like, Okay, no, that's wrong. I should just go 896 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:43.760 check out that league left side for a while. That's the challenging part. 897 00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.960 But no one thing really is that there are certain really big bosses that are 898 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:51.800 actually really hard, but usually it's more like now I can sit here for 899 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.320 four hours with five thousand arrows and away. But it seems like that lack 900 00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.800 of hand holding like extends to everything. Like you're saying, like, no, 901 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.440 I'm not gonna explain to you how any of the system work. Like 902 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.840 these systems are just they're they're they're in place, and it really really for 903 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.559 me, I'm missing something. Use you can figure them out eventually. I 904 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.920 recommend every I really think everybody. Patrick you should totally play it. Brad 905 00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:15.519 you should totally play it. Ryan, you should everybody should try it, 906 00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.840 because like it really is something that, uh, you might really like or 907 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:22.599 you might not. Like I think I wounded up in the middle of like 908 00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:24.239 there are parts of it I really enjoyed, but I never could get past 909 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:29.559 that like frustration. Part of I just spend three hours, I have zero 910 00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:34.639 progress, zero, nothing I can gain a level. I lost all my 911 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:40.119 souls. I memorized where everybody, every enemy in that level was two hours 912 00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:45.119 ago. Like it did a matter of executing upon that knowledge. Just this 913 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.679 time I was not sloppy enough to get hit that. That's the thing. 914 00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:52.360 Uh So, like that's the part I just never got past, and like, 915 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.320 I just is it worth it? Is it worth it for that? 916 00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.440 And at some point I was like, kind of no, I don't know, 917 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:01.000 I'm not. I'm not When I beat the game, I wasn't like 918 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:06.800 doing backflips, being like yeah. It was like I can't believe I put 919 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:10.840 myself through all that. It's in a world where games to compliment you for 920 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:16.199 just hitting the A button to jump, Like this game it's the ultimate challenge, 921 00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:20.360 Like it's it's it's not giving you paths on the backs every time you 922 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.119 can put down a skeleton. In fact, the skeleton ahead of you is 923 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.840 gonna stab you in the fucking back just because you got through the first one. 924 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.760 Like it's so, yeah, I do. I really do think everybody 925 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:30.719 should should give it a shot, at least in terms of like I think 926 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.760 it is something that is unique in video games at least that it's like you 927 00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:38.199 know it'd be a terrible or great, it's it's something that you just don't 928 00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.239 see. I think it's a lot of the reasons I like Data Sex. 929 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:44.440 The reason Data Sex was fresh, it is not because it's new. It's 930 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.519 because it's old and just it hasnt been around. It's the opposite of focus 931 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:50.760 tests of games. Like you put Demon Souls in front of a fucking mainstream 932 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:53.599 focused tested group, that game wouldn't exist, but because it's you know, 933 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:58.280 it exists just because from Software wanted to make this thing and it found an 934 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.719 audience. I've also should say I've been play an offline uh well during my 935 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:06.920 place. I haven't even plugged in yet, so I'll see how much better 936 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.400 or worse I could completely. It's kind of weird how From Software is like 937 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:14.920 this really baller ass Japanese developer, Like they always seem very I don't know, 938 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:16.840 a second stream kind of just like a cockroach. They keep like just 939 00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:21.320 surviving, like they just made like they were really known for the Tension games. 940 00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:23.239 Yeah, and then they were kicking around their arm recorre games, which 941 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:27.639 they're still doing. They just delayed that newest one to the Spring. But 942 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.000 then they found like new life with the Demon Souls games. Like what were 943 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:34.800 those games even for the Xbox A Togi or some of them? Yeah, 944 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.960 yeah, I don't know as how you pronounce it. Yeah, they did 945 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:39.960 the two Atogi games for the original XBO. They just haven't really had like 946 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:45.039 those were like every every game from software they made Ninja Blade, which wasn't 947 00:59:45.079 --> 00:59:47.400 great, but it was fucking completely insane. Yes, and the games are 948 00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:52.159 always really usually really pretty or at least very crazy, And I give them 949 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.639 that, but I always figured that they were, even in Japan, kind 950 00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:58.960 of niche. But it turns out not not so. Dark Souls is also 951 00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.559 kind of crazy. Yeah we got that. Yeah, like just in like, 952 01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:06.119 what the hell is going on? Oh yeah, no, no idea, 953 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:07.599 that's I've got. Like I'm saying, I've gotten to that point with 954 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.559 from software games where I realized, just okay, it's made by from software. 955 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:16.000 There's gonna be something ridiculous and and inexplicable about this experience, whether it 956 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:20.400 be from a design perspective of wait, why are there quick time events right 957 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.639 now? Too? Had a lot of quick siping and yeah, really weirdly 958 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:30.320 placed quick time events to just like stuff like structurally Chromehounds and how bizarre that 959 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.880 was. That's another from a joint. Yeah, I kind of liked that 960 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.440 game. Yeah, people really liked the multiplayer in the game. That weird 961 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:39.519 persistent war thing going on. Yeah, see, I should have known. 962 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:44.719 Like Chromehounds, the thing I hated most about Chromehounds was responding and having to 963 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:50.360 run ten minutes to a battle. Same thing. Like the action within a 964 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.719 specific scenario, it was not great, but like the overall framework was really 965 01:00:53.760 --> 01:01:00.119 intriguing. It's fascinating for sure. That's how we just saw demons. So 966 01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:06.800 I need to know no turns out. I at least need to understand this. 967 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:07.800 Even if I'm not gonna like it, you should try. You might 968 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:13.719 really really like it. I intend to give it a legitimate shot. Yeah, 969 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:16.800 especially just like I think this one, I have no such intention. 970 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.199 I think Dark Souls actually does open realistic about this corn. I think it 971 01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:23.920 opens up a little bit easier than and than Demon Souls, Like it actually 972 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:30.000 does ease you into things a little bit nicer than There are a bit more 973 01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:35.119 tutorial things that that that help you out a little bit. And coming to 974 01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.039 it from from the whole body of knowledge of demon souls that that is out 975 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:42.039 there actually really helps out because you can look up. I feel like I 976 01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:45.039 want to buy a strategy guy and play it with a strategy gout it. 977 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:47.320 Maybe I feel like it depends what you're going into it for. I think 978 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:51.760 we not want to do that. Yeah, I don't know. I have 979 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:55.320 reasons to believe you might not want to do them. Okay, anyway, 980 01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:00.639 Dark Souls talking about this scheme is making me anxious. Yeah we have let's 981 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:02.079 move on. Hey, wouldn't Legend of Zelt would be so much better if 982 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:06.159 it was more like Dark Souls? Do you think next? Next Zelda? 983 01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.199 Yeah, they're gonna fold in delete your safe. Yeah, unless you eject 984 01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:14.079 out of the Zelda cockpit. You wanted your hardcore Zelda here it is. 985 01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.800 Fuck you guys made us make the characters design all shitty again because they're like, 986 01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:22.679 oh, real Zelda. Well, then here's real Zelda kills you and 987 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.639 with like a Windwaker art style. I beat kills on three. Oh yeah, 988 01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:30.400 yep, how'd that go? Hey it sounds like a win. I 989 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.119 beat that whole game with a move controller, did you? Yeah? I 990 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.920 say I could. I though the ending of kills one three was pretty weird. 991 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:45.599 Oh genocide is it? We passed the morritory? I guess, I 992 01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:50.320 don't know. Yeah, let's just say that genocide doesn't spoil anything. Let's 993 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.719 just say that you're you're fighting this giant war to stop this terrible, terrible, 994 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:58.599 terrible thing that would happen to Earth. Yeah, only to pretty much 995 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.480 allow it to happen to the planet. So you're like, we need this, 996 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:06.679 this would be what are we fucking animals? And then it's like, 997 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.880 I guess, so want want want want, And then there's actually the stinger 998 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:14.719 at the end, which is like, also this crazy thing at the end, 999 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:16.679 which I wish I won't spoil. Also the bad thing that you thought 1000 01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:20.159 was bad, there's this other thing that's way worse. Well, it's just 1001 01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:24.000 like this thing that was like, oh all right, kills one four, 1002 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:28.519 all right, all right? Anyway, Yeah, that game with that game 1003 01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:32.800 was fun stuff. It was fun in the future. Yeah, Rico, 1004 01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.639 Rico's in that game. Patrick Kleavit, can we talk about Zelda? No, 1005 01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:42.559 No, you guys to talk about your experience with four Swords a little 1006 01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:46.199 bit. Having had a chance to South this week, Yeah, like ivn't 1007 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:51.280 said down to we're gonna do something. We're gonna play that. We played 1008 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.960 it a Nintendo and we will fucked with the Nintendo rep and just kept throwing 1009 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.599 them into holes. He wasn't very good at the game. So we will, 1010 01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:00.880 we will do that, will play it. That's free. That's free 1011 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:08.719 three DS so till the first year of the three dsniversaries February February. But 1012 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.519 that's still okay. It's dar so it plays I in your three DS, 1013 01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.639 but it's technically a d s I game, but it will play on my 1014 01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:18.119 DSi as well. And it was it was ported slash redone by the guys 1015 01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.840 that did the Okraine of Time. They added some stuff I don't know, 1016 01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:26.800 but they removed the hole and needed a console part of the equation. Yeah, 1017 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.559 you never needed that. That all that stuff is. Yeah, well 1018 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:34.880 you got very confused. Yeah. So that game was originally on the well 1019 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:36.960 it was a game cube game. No, no, no, it was 1020 01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:41.400 originally the multiplayer mode on the Game Boy Advanced release of Linked to the Past. 1021 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.480 Okay, so that's what they're port they're not porting over the game, 1022 01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:49.480 not four Swords Adventure Adventures. It's the one that it's one of the game 1023 01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:53.280 Boy Advantage, which they've added a bunch of stuff too, But that was 1024 01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.480 but that was like a shrunk down version of the Four Swords Adventures. Like 1025 01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:00.440 the Four Swords Adventures was just a bunch of scenarios in that same basic framework, 1026 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.360 and you could play it for player if you wanted to. Maybe I'm 1027 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.280 not going to make that assumption because the last time we assume something about four 1028 01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:10.039 Swords people corrected us a lot. But it isn't. It isn't the wind 1029 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:15.000 Waker art style right there? Not No, it's it's it's like the Linked 1030 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.440 to the Past by one yes, sort of super indeos looking Yeah, okay, 1031 01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:21.719 then I am confused. Yeah, I'm thinking of that. Then I 1032 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:25.480 don't know what. Let's just download it and play it out of it. 1033 01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:29.519 That's to be better. She doesn't have that that that Windwaker art art style 1034 01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.880 at all. No, I don't thinking of a different game. Was there 1035 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.039 the Crystals one? No, now you're thinking of the right one. I 1036 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.239 am. You're thinking of the one that I'm thinking of, Okay about Crystal 1037 01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:42.719 Chronicles. No, I'm thinking of the four players Zelda overhead. But it's 1038 01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:46.280 all seated. It looks like linked to the past. That was a game 1039 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.800 that was a GameCube game. Yeah, yeah, that GameCube game looked like 1040 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.800 Windwaker. Yes, Okay, that's not what we're talking Okay, okay, 1041 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:54.920 Yeah, I don't know then, I don't know what they're talking about. 1042 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.719 I'm talking about the multiplayer mode of the Game Boy Advanced FLA. I'm just 1043 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:02.039 saying I've never seen that part of it. Was only part of that, 1044 01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:04.000 It was only part of that one thing. It was just it was the 1045 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:09.920 multiplayer in linked to the plat pastor remake for GBA. Yes, hence our 1046 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:14.239 confusion, the tap or whatever. It's fair. It's a fair. Yeah, 1047 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.599 it's crazy. Fair point of confusion. It's it's it's it's compounded by 1048 01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:21.760 the way it's listed in our database and just yeah, yeah, and just 1049 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:27.440 and just what its existence has been in It seems fun. We'll download it. 1050 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:32.599 Yeah. I beat That Island last night. Congratulations, get the good 1051 01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:36.320 ending? Are their other endings? You're ready for the movie which is based 1052 01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:40.079 on the trailer? Oh? Is that what it is? It's based it's 1053 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.599 the press release base. It says it specifically says we're on the trailer. 1054 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.920 They said that is it animated? I don't know, lions get picked it 1055 01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.800 up. I'll ever come out come on. Video game movies don't come out 1056 01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:55.719 with asteroids and jousts. I think they ditched the asteroids. One that was 1057 01:06:55.719 --> 01:07:03.719 going to be I mean, yea Dead Island, I would argue, starts 1058 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:08.599 on a pretty steve downhill slant after the first area, after the resort, 1059 01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:14.280 Yes, the city area after that. It's kind of fun because you're running 1060 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:17.400 around, But the Dead Island is fun when it's all about open spaces, 1061 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:21.760 crowd control and playing around with the zombies. And the game starts out as 1062 01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:28.079 a giant open world and then gets narrower and narrower and narrower, and like 1063 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:34.039 you go from the uh yeah, the resort to use to this city that 1064 01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:38.840 is like really constraint spaces. But it is a nice difference because you're actually 1065 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.199 you're used to being able to fight all the zombies having space to run around. 1066 01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.760 This is run from most encounters like just don't even you just want to 1067 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:47.239 get out of the way. The zombies are more powerful than you, like 1068 01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.920 you're gonna get overwhelmed. So that's fun for a little while because you're at 1069 01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:54.000 least in an open enough space that you can get away from the zombies. 1070 01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:57.280 But then the trucks. There aren't a lot of trucks after the after the 1071 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:00.719 resort, there's basically there's very few, very future other trucks in in the 1072 01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:01.679 jungle, but there's not a lot of rooms. You barely do anything in 1073 01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:04.800 the jungle. The jungle is like two hours long. Then you're in a 1074 01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:11.079 hospital area, a laboratory, and then you're in a prison but it's just 1075 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.639 trucks, and then you're just in a truck. You're fighting inside a truck. 1076 01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:16.800 Basically after the first area, I was just playing it just because I 1077 01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:20.000 was enjoying the combat. But I don't know, I think I had I 1078 01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:26.119 was done after that. Yeah, yeah, so and that game is long. 1079 01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:29.079 It is. It's very very long, depending on how much stuff you 1080 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.279 do. But yeah, how was your I was the I was the I 1081 01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:38.319 was the stereotypical Asian woman with the sharp knives. Uh podcast gone for too 1082 01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:41.880 long? Just peeing into a cup. N man, the coffee like it 1083 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:46.880 never runs out. That's rights the magical there always says it is hot. 1084 01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:49.640 It is, I can feel it through the cup. No new game plus 1085 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:51.600 for you. You're well, what do you think? What do you think 1086 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:58.279 of your your clock time was, oh does it on the safe sen Like, 1087 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:03.319 my guess is twenty five? Really probably no? No, no itch 1088 01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:08.239 to restart with the same guy. I don't I don't think. I mean 1089 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:12.720 I would play with someone through the resort area again because that that that was 1090 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.840 fun. But none of the areas really got and the comments just I don't 1091 01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:21.039 know. Eventually, you you they don't give you enough interesting mods that allow 1092 01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:26.600 your class to do that many thing like the sharp Weapons class. Once you 1093 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:30.640 get the Electrified mods for your knives, you just keep getting better versions of 1094 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:35.680 Electrified, and then you have no there's no incentive to try anything else, 1095 01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:40.119 like because you're already gone down that path. Because your skill tree, especially 1096 01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:44.800 in the experience boosters, the multipliers will be like times two, three four 1097 01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:46.079 for cutting off limb, So it's like I'm not gonna use a sledge hammer 1098 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.079 because I'm not gonna cut off any limbs the sledgehammer. So although you keep 1099 01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:53.239 you actually get XP for also breaking the limbs, so you can you can 1100 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:55.359 break them and get XP and then you can cut them off and get more 1101 01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.960 you could. I guess I did the game. I guess what I found 1102 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:00.359 is that even even though I was recognizing I shouldn't be doing it, I 1103 01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.800 found myself falling into the whole of there's a civic way for me to attack 1104 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.600 these hordes of zombies, and I'm just going to keep doing that over and 1105 01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:10.640 over again because it's the most efficient way. As opposed to the beginning of 1106 01:10:10.680 --> 01:10:12.720 the first ten hours of the game. I was having so much fun playing 1107 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:15.960 around with it, and I think a large part of it is because you 1108 01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:18.520 become very much in control of the game after a certain point, like in 1109 01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:21.720 the first like five six hours, like your weapons are always breaking, you're 1110 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:25.359 you're dying a lot, or at least running a lot, like you have 1111 01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:28.760 to run away, Like at a certain point, you become so understanding of 1112 01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:30.760 the zombie types and the zombie taps aren't different enough to force you to do 1113 01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:34.600 anything that different that you just fall into very play style. And then you're 1114 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:40.439 just doing that for twenty hours, and then I just that last boss is 1115 01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:45.039 just god fucking awesome. It's set up that you should have four people playing 1116 01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.520 with you, and all the cut scenes certainly seem to think that you do. 1117 01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:50.920 All the cut scenes have four people in it, And which is the 1118 01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:54.600 final boss? Isn't anything to say. It's just like it's this big, 1119 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:59.319 almost tank like character that's constantly charging you. And so the idea would be 1120 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.640 you'd have one person the other three characters take pulling it away as someone's taking 1121 01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:05.800 him out, and instead it's just he charges at you. You hit him 1122 01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:09.479 as many times as you can, you die, you spawn again, you 1123 01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:11.600 hit him as many times as you can, you die, and you just 1124 01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:15.039 keep doing that. No, no, so I just did that seven or 1125 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:19.319 eight times until he finally he finally went down. And yeah, that's the 1126 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:21.640 comment in the game. Is so much fun though it is, it's very 1127 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:27.079 hard hitting, and I actually I saw that too. You can play the 1128 01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:30.520 PC version with a game pad and like at three sixty controller, but you 1129 01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:33.760 cannot change it to the analog controls, really did. Someone was telling me 1130 01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:35.880 that you could maybe they patch it in. I thought you said it was 1131 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:39.800 the opposite. With the PC the key mouse and keyboard weren't weren't doing the 1132 01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:42.399 analogs? Yeah, you can't. You can't do analog with the mouse keyboard. 1133 01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:44.840 Un Plus they added that because they passed it a couple of times. 1134 01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:45.680 Don't know how that would work though, Yeah, I don't like, yeah, 1135 01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:50.079 I'm not sure because that, yeah, that if I didn't have that, 1136 01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:54.039 that I probably wouldn't stopped the game, because that's more or less what 1137 01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:56.520 maintained my interest in the game was just screwing with the zombies at the point 1138 01:11:56.520 --> 01:12:00.760 where like, the quests are not interesting. Uh the other it's like the 1139 01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:04.560 characters are not interesting, the world is all right. So it's basically this 1140 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:10.840 game is relying on you masturbating to numbers and the combat. The leveling of 1141 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.840 Luke Grind was a huge part of a while I like the game, and 1142 01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:15.960 then in the field of the combat, I also just I wasn't getting enough 1143 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.359 interesting, Like I'd got three rare rep and drops throughout the entire game, 1144 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:24.239 really the one that gets to the achievement talking about the Orange ones, yeah, 1145 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:26.920 wow, like I must have found at least ten orange weapons. Yes, 1146 01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.119 I only got and so I just yeah, I just there wasn't enough 1147 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.640 for eventually, there just wasn't enough for riding the combat for for me to 1148 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.159 I would at this point like I just was just going forward because I just 1149 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:38.760 when I once I start a game, I want to finish it. But 1150 01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:40.920 yeah, there was a point where I'm just like I don't want to. 1151 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:43.640 I don't want to cut up zombies anymore. And that makes me That makes 1152 01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:46.319 that bumps me out. I want to see more more crazy mods for that 1153 01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:48.960 game. Yeah, I feel like that game has a long life on the 1154 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:54.720 PC. Yep for just crazy taking around and yeah you already did, especially 1155 01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:58.720 in that resort area. There's a lot of cool things people could do in 1156 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:02.680 that. I want just caused three zombies. I want to be in jets 1157 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:09.560 dropping bombs on zombies, just still in a zombie scenario, but in a 1158 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:14.239 position where you're so abstracted from the zombie threat, like, yeah, I 1159 01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:15.239 know there's zombies down there, but I'm just carpet bombing. I'm out to 1160 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:19.720 fight zombies from this bloop. I don't care. Zombies do not react to 1161 01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:25.560 shock and awe. According to World war Z. No, No they don't. 1162 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:29.199 That just makes up such a tough opponent. You can't. You can't. 1163 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:30.960 Zombie's friend didn't have him be like, man, I should not. 1164 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.760 Zombie is still just gonna come. I'm still gonna come at you. It's 1165 01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:38.800 tough. They're making that a movie, World war Z. That could be 1166 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.680 a good movie. Brad Pitt really, Yeah, he's a fine actor. 1167 01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:45.000 He can't be sure. Brian Cranston is in that movie too. I believe 1168 01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:47.720 you're right. I think he is in everything. He's currently in everything. 1169 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:53.560 He's in Contagion for a minute. I will say this that I was catching 1170 01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:59.119 up on some old modern family and when and when the actor who plays Mike 1171 01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.600 from Breaking Bad pops up as ede Neil's brother, and that like, oh 1172 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:06.680 shit, Mike is into it's crossover universe because he almost looks and acts exactly 1173 01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:11.239 the same, Like you could totally see like him being that exact same character, 1174 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:15.720 just like, wait later character, where are you season three? You're 1175 01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:19.279 mid season three? You've met him, You've met him already, the cleaner 1176 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:24.159 bald. Yeah, yeah, it's a good character. Do you have no 1177 01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:26.920 fucking idea how good Mike is? And I have to stop reading Twitter. 1178 01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:30.159 I'm living in fear. He's got to catch up. It's ok. People 1179 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:33.680 really can't. Gary. Gary tweeted something this morning that all I almost didn't 1180 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:40.039 want to read is it's the plot. Twist itself are not what makes that 1181 01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.399 show interesting. It has a very good plot. Yeah, that's the intensity. 1182 01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:45.520 It's the intensity, it's the it's the acting, and it's the piling 1183 01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:49.399 up of just horrible situations. It's it's the like bad on worse. It's 1184 01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:53.920 it's so good, Like I like that the show never like the lives of 1185 01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:57.399 the characters never returned to equilibrium, you know, it's never like there's never 1186 01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.279 like it never rises and then falls back down to where it was, constantly 1187 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.279 in one direction, just getting worse and worse. It's constantly like, oh 1188 01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:05.640 you think he's gonna fix that problem? Though, that mean like eight other 1189 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:09.960 things way worse. The show is called breaking bad, right, It's true. 1190 01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:13.039 Yeah, I mean every season is just about another character. Then do 1191 01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:15.319 they're gonna do one more season? A fifth season? They signed, They 1192 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.039 signed one more seasons, but with the promise is they're probably gonna do the 1193 01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:23.640 same thing they did loss, which is there each season usually fourteen episodes. 1194 01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:26.960 The next one will be The theory is it'll be sixteen and split into two 1195 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:31.239 seasons. That's that's fine. I'm just saying by the end of that fifth 1196 01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.720 season, I want everyone to be dead. Everyone everyone dead or in jail. 1197 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:39.039 And Brian Kranston every evening he's like, this character cannot live, Like 1198 01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:41.720 there he sees no way this character lives to the end of the series, 1199 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:45.159 and that's probably I want to see half a season where he's already where he's 1200 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:47.399 dead, Like, let's like the show shouldn't and no, no, the 1201 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:55.079 show shouldn't at that character's death, like Walter White will eventually succumb to the 1202 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:59.760 cancer, but like the things that he is set into motion are so in 1203 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.560 saying and huge so that there's no way that they won't have continuing repercussions on 1204 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.159 all of these other people that he's affected. I want to see that stuff 1205 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:09.960 play. I want to spin off show with Mike. Hell, yes, 1206 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:13.199 totally watch that. Yeah, Mike the Cleaner, just call it that. 1207 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:15.920 There you go, Mike the Cleaner. AMC presents Mike the Cleaner in case 1208 01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:19.800 you forgot AMC. It's where we're showing with this. Previously on AMC's Breaking 1209 01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:26.680 Bad, featuring Rage, which it has featured predominantly this season, bringing back 1210 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:31.600 into games. Yeah, yeah, rage making weird product, like inaccurate product 1211 01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:35.039 player. So yeah, so so just if yeah, well I guess you've 1212 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:39.079 seen maybe because you're mostly caught up right, Yeah, I'm halfway through. 1213 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:43.399 They featured Rage in the show the show at least three or three times. 1214 01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:45.800 I would say maybe more. Sometimes it'll just be a box, like just 1215 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:50.039 really obviously laid out, like a copy of Rage, but the most absurd 1216 01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:55.640 and just like maybe if you aren't the games, you wouldn't have blinked. 1217 01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:58.239 But because I knew what Rage was, and this is obviously just dropped in 1218 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:00.880 promotion, like totally to me out of It was otherwise a pretty intense scene 1219 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:04.560 where like one of the characters is is shooting on the screen with a light 1220 01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:09.239 gun but they're playing Rage, which is not a light gun shooter, but 1221 01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:14.680 they've like stripped all the interface down and it's clearly someone was playing someone or 1222 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:17.319 somewhere played Rage, and a record of this thing that would look like you 1223 01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:21.319 were playing Rage as a light gun shooter. It has no interface on top. 1224 01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:25.279 It has it, but it has like an interface where like the character 1225 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.600 is dying and you have to shoot. It's weird and it goes out for 1226 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.119 like two minutes. Weird, but it's this this, it's the super intense 1227 01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:38.560 scene where the characters wrestling with this previous actions and yeah, He's like both 1228 01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:40.520 and I want to get into that, but I'm sitting there going, this 1229 01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:44.079 isn't a fucking Rage. Looks like, yeah, yeah, we're we're being 1230 01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:46.560 held back from enjoying this scene because we have knowledge like, no, this 1231 01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:49.760 is not probably probably would not have worked with a controller though, right, 1232 01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:54.600 like if you were like getting that scene, yeah that scene like the trigger 1233 01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:59.039 and yeah right but still right, pick a different game. Yeah, put 1234 01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:03.199 House to the dead End gets the getting real. But there's some there's some 1235 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:09.399 knowledge, like there's the writing team there clearly because there's a great like sped 1236 01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:15.600 it up like zombie conversation that happens. Oh they get they're bringing bad especially. 1237 01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:18.319 I think this about a couple times they've referenced games like they know what 1238 01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:21.720 they're talking about. Like they'll talk about Call of Duty zombie mode and also 1239 01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:25.840 Left for Dead and like, well the writers that was that was the conversation. 1240 01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.960 They're like like they're talking about best zombie video game and one guy's talking 1241 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:30.640 about writers do know resid Evil four is the best? And this guy's no, 1242 01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:33.840 like going in a group with Left for Dead and there's like no zombie 1243 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:38.680 mode and called like they're they're references and the things that they like the because 1244 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:43.359 it's basically just so much of speed freaks having a conversation about video games and 1245 01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:45.760 they capture both. That one was good. They get both parts, both 1246 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:50.840 the game conversation and the talking to a speed freak part down perfectly. I 1247 01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:54.359 just I wonder for research for that show, Like do they like, how 1248 01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:59.680 much research do they do going to actual flop houses? Because the the inside 1249 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:03.159 scene too perfect. It seems like they get them just right, because you 1250 01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:06.039 would know I wouldn't. But I'm just saying they seemed like it. It 1251 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:10.279 seems like that's exactly what they sure should be, Like, it's believable. 1252 01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:13.560 We have to stop talking about the show. I just want to go watch 1253 01:19:13.640 --> 01:19:15.920 the show Rage comes out next week, that's all. I Yeah, we 1254 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:19.800 should have we should have Rage in here. Get your light gun now today? 1255 01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:23.880 Yeah? Yeah, your gun. To be fair, they made it 1256 01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:27.239 look like no other light gun that actually exists, like the guns when they 1257 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.840 showed it looks custom made. Don't super scope. It was not a super 1258 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:32.960 scope it was it was not a move controller in the little like there was 1259 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:35.520 no glowy tip on it. They never showed it a console all. They 1260 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:40.399 all they showed this big ass TV and he's standing there with the fake Did 1261 01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.079 they say the name of the game at all? Just not in that it's 1262 01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:45.840 just there's like scenes where he's sitting in the foreground and it's just like title 1263 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:50.920 screen in the background, and so you just see a giant Rage. I'm 1264 01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:56.439 I would be curious how much that stuff like works, Like does that actually 1265 01:19:56.520 --> 01:20:00.239 raise the profile of that game to people even though it is not representative of 1266 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:02.800 what that game is? Or is it just like I was watching Breaking Bad? 1267 01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:04.960 Yeah, I saw that Rage box. Oh, Rage comes out next 1268 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:08.520 week. All right, Well, but how many times have you watched like 1269 01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:12.279 a movie with the fake video game in it? And I think anybody's ever 1270 01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:15.319 like I really want to play that fake game they were playing in that that 1271 01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:16.840 movie. Yeah, I don't think it's not so much that people see it 1272 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:19.680 and then actively seek it out. It's that when they are exposed to it 1273 01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:24.680 again later some other context. Yeah, there's already like we've broken through the 1274 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:27.960 noise a little bit. Like I can't believe they made a real game of 1275 01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.039 that game that I was playing and Breaking Bad that's crazy. I Yeah, 1276 01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:33.760 I guess that must be. The potential audience for Rage is a little more 1277 01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:39.560 savvy than that. But it doesn't like to think I was like, Okay, 1278 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:42.800 and in this scene, you know, he's gonna he'll be playing a 1279 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:45.880 video game, or what are we gonna do? Are we gonna like production? 1280 01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:46.319 It's like, okay, what are we gonna do? We're gonna make 1281 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:49.159 this video game? We don't have budget for that. We can't go and 1282 01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:54.000 create. You don't think the scene was made around the deal. I think 1283 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:55.840 it was like, you know what, we can go get a deal. 1284 01:20:56.159 --> 01:21:00.439 We'll find something. We've got a spot here, we can can find a 1285 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:02.640 partner that will work with us on this. We're fucking breaking bad, you 1286 01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:05.239 know. At this point we are kind of you know, big enough shit 1287 01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:10.159 that that we can get whoever it is that we want. AMC in general, 1288 01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:13.920 across their shows they do a decent amount of like in in show, 1289 01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:16.560 like all the stuff in mad Men where they take these you know, old 1290 01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:21.279 brands and spin them up again. Where's like they know, like in mad 1291 01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:24.920 Men. My understanding of it is that like they don't sound like Pepsi says, 1292 01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:27.039 hey, put us in there somewhere. It's like they were gonna do 1293 01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:29.479 something with Pepsi and they're like, hey, Pepsi, like we were going 1294 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:30.560 to do something anyway. I want it on this, you want it on 1295 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:34.520 this? So no arc Cola. Do you want it on it? Yes? 1296 01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:43.119 R C Cola will take anything you've got. Yes, you digitally insert 1297 01:21:43.319 --> 01:21:47.359 RCI Cola into old episodes of King of Queens fantastic using RC color to kill 1298 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:51.760 the rats in the office. Fine, that's yes, arc Cola rat poison. 1299 01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:55.359 It's good for that. It's good for anything. What do you want 1300 01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:59.720 to do with it? You want to shine up a penny arc Cola, 1301 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:04.359 try to strip the pain off of your car. RC Cola Royal Crown ad 1302 01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:09.399 campaign for arc Cola. Yeah, exactly, that's no, that's Mike. 1303 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:13.279 I'm pitching right now. Get back to me. Just let me know. 1304 01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:19.479 King of Cola tweet Patrick. You will have any other games playing Finish Afford 1305 01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:23.279 to play Binding of Isaac. I have that, but I haven't played it. 1306 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:27.960 Something with that this week? Yeah? I started el should I but 1307 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:30.560 I'm not far enough. That game's weird? Is it good? Is it 1308 01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:36.279 a game? It's very pretty? It has a very pretty art style. 1309 01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:41.960 Right. That's the art doctor from devilm Cry if I call correctly. I 1310 01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:45.279 can't remember his name. Well, he did commod he do both of those, 1311 01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:49.000 definitely. The art director from ocmmy. Yeah, may also have been 1312 01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:53.039 the art director for Yeah, yeah, it's very pretty. It's far The 1313 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:58.960 gameplay itself leaves a lot to be desired. But if it's really really pretty 1314 01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:03.319 and it's a lot of talking to God on a cell phone, that sounds 1315 01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:08.079 about yeah, like you'll be just walking along and some guy I'll just be 1316 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:10.720 like chatting with God on a cell phone. Yeah, I saw. I 1317 01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:15.000 saw enough of that. I saw Shane Bettenhausen came through when he was still 1318 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:18.000 associated with that organization, showed us that game. It's like, yeah, 1319 01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:23.720 it's pretty. Yep, it is pretty. It's pretty, not bad looking. 1320 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:27.439 It's not a bad looking game. We'll give it that. It's about 1321 01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:30.920 all all. I could say. Phone, but my phone, My phone 1322 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:38.000 is Mango. Lists haven't been updated. I am disappointed about that. It's 1323 01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:42.079 texting Will Smith right now here. Where the fuck is my Mango? No, 1324 01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:44.680 I want to hear, Brad. I want to hear your opinions on 1325 01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:51.239 the Devil. The Devil and Devil's pretty hardcore. Oh, I haven't played 1326 01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:55.680 enough Diablo and played really any deal. I got hit by that, that 1327 01:23:55.720 --> 01:24:00.560 weird Comcast bug from the first night that it came out. Didge finally, 1328 01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:01.720 but at that point we had done the quick look and I had watched you 1329 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.319 play through most of the beta with like four characters. What do you think 1330 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:08.359 it looks? It looks good like Diablo. You know, like I was 1331 01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.720 never a huge Diablo gut back in the day, so I don't have like 1332 01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:15.560 the the flame of nostalgia is not raging. But I definitely am into playing 1333 01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.920 it because it's got loot. I think we were talking before, and I 1334 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:27.680 am more excited, way more excited about Diablo El Diablo now than I was 1335 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:30.479 before I started playing that debateau. Yeah, like before I started playing the 1336 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:32.399 beta, I was like, yeah, I kind of know exactly what I'm 1337 01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:34.880 gonna get into here. It's I can go play Diablo too. This kind 1338 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:39.079 of seems verse from everything I've seen. This seemed very similar. And then 1339 01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:43.079 you know, it's fifty seventy five clicks in. I was like, I 1340 01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.039 started to get my loot and I was like, all right, man, 1341 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:47.119 I'm ready to get some loot. Well, it wasn't, I don't. 1342 01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:49.760 I think it wasn't just picking up the loot, but also seeing more specifically 1343 01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:53.039 what they've done under the hood. You know, I don't like it. 1344 01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:56.439 Yeah, we confirmed that it is basically more Diablo. But yeah, it's 1345 01:24:56.720 --> 01:25:01.520 it's tough. It's definitely easy to narrow the gap in your mind between two 1346 01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:04.159 and what's happened and then go back to two and be like, oh, 1347 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:09.000 yeah, no, no, that I'm forgetting the evolution of this entire chain, 1348 01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:12.239 seeing how the how the skill stuff has changed and what they've done with 1349 01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:15.399 the SPA like sell your loot right out of your inventory, you can drop 1350 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:19.119 it in the cauldron of Jordan, melted down for money. How does this 1351 01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:24.000 feel post Torchlight? Uh? Then he can speak to that. I didn't 1352 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:26.359 really get my hands on it. I think it's I think it's different. 1353 01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:30.760 Uh. It definitely is not the same sense of style. Uh. And 1354 01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:34.359 and that plays for me. That plays a lot. Uh. This is 1355 01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:39.920 so much more self serious than that. Uh. I was almost gonna say 1356 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:44.680 Torchwood and Torchlight. Uh. Yeah, So I think Diablo compared to to 1357 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:48.520 torch Light very different. Also, I think we're Torchlight. We'll see what 1358 01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:54.159 Torchlight two is like when we're Torchlight one fell on its knees. I guess 1359 01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:58.439 didn't fall its face. For me was the lack of different loot at some 1360 01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:00.239 point where it's just like, all right, I'm getting different items, but 1361 01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:02.359 they're not. They don't look any different. My character looks the same. 1362 01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:06.880 There's like three different armored types. And right, I'm hoping Diablo. Yeah, 1363 01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:09.960 I'm curious toime it's a Torchlight too, because they were supposed to be 1364 01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:13.079 out this summer. Now they're not. They push it now. You know, 1365 01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.960 Diallo three is coming out before March, right, it's the early twenty 1366 01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:19.279 twelve, so before March thirty one. But I mean that kind of that 1367 01:26:19.359 --> 01:26:23.720 seems like that kind of screws over Torchlight, like they I'm worried maybe they're 1368 01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:27.319 gonna miss their window. Like at this point people are playing Diablo. I 1369 01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:29.720 mean, I guess they have a gap like they had for the end of 1370 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:33.159 the year. Yes, they seem confident less on now they have a real 1371 01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:36.960 impetus now they have released window to play against. I saw I saw some 1372 01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:41.520 people saying that they thought the beta was looked too easy or seemed too easy 1373 01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.520 or stuff like that. It doesn't have the difficulty levels and it's like when 1374 01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:48.920 that's an hour and a half of gameplay, I don't know if they accelerated 1375 01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:53.119 that beta or not. Also to be like are you're gonna gain like ten 1376 01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.079 levels within this beta. Well, they also they have said there's going to 1377 01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:59.760 be more stuff to the beta, like there are further roll outs of content, 1378 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:01.479 so there'll be other stuff. Alright. I thought the beta was if 1379 01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:04.319 I don't learn anything about about Blizzard over the years, it's that they actually 1380 01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:11.159 take their you know, beta data heart actually a beta. Yeah, there's 1381 01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:14.560 a reason it's only this one slice because they they're probably just analyzing this one 1382 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.720 slice meticulously, you see what people do, rather than opening up a whole 1383 01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:21.079 act. It's not it's not glorified fucking marketing driven demo. Like they're driving 1384 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:25.840 real information from this, and we'll probably make significant changes or wills. They 1385 01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:28.800 always have. Like I was, I just like before I was even in 1386 01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:30.840 the industry. I just looked into the Warcraft three beta and like they changed 1387 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:34.199 stuff about that dramatically as they rolled out new patches. Just of the beta. 1388 01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:40.000 I will say, I don't the initial character designs from your main characters 1389 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:43.199 didn't nothing to jumped out of me. It's like this guy looks super cool, 1390 01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:45.920 but I think, uh, I hold that loot, I get that 1391 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:49.800 loot, get those cool looking helmets. Anyway, that's it. I felt 1392 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:55.560 like we need to talk about. And also we are not the ones who 1393 01:27:55.680 --> 01:28:00.920 say Diablo that is a that is a manufacturer, manufacturer, that's Texas. 1394 01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:05.439 Yeah, that's Texas. That's Randy Pitchford and George Brossard specifically, that is 1395 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:09.720 that's where we get the Diablo. So we're saying it out of fun. 1396 01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:15.359 Maybe that's the right way. No, that's the right way. It's only 1397 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.359 it's only the right way if you're from Texas. So it's only pass is 1398 01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:23.439 wrong. Don't mess when you're in Texas. No Texas kind of world unto 1399 01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:28.159 itself. Yeah, so you know within the Texas video games, it's true 1400 01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.119 they do produce quite a few. I don't think they make that. Texas 1401 01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:34.000 knows a thing or two about the Diablo, about a thing or two. 1402 01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:36.880 Yeah, they know a thing or two about the Devil. That's there's about 1403 01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:41.600 they do. See who it comes? Schames come out of Texas. It's 1404 01:28:41.640 --> 01:28:45.960 true, demons. Brad Shoemaker, what's going on? Played Resident Evil Code 1405 01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:53.000 Veronica X. That's right, you did a four last Nostalgia Versus Reality are 1406 01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:55.760 four came out last week. We h we talked about on the podcast. 1407 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:57.960 I don't think. I don't think much of that made it in, but 1408 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:01.159 we talked about it. It was it was our extended conversation about Resident Evil 1409 01:29:01.520 --> 01:29:05.000 writ large that got great. Went on for way to do? We had 1410 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:10.359 like that, We had like a three hour podcast I had to. We 1411 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:14.039 talked about every Resident Evil game there was had to that's right. We tried 1412 01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:18.239 tried to try to connect the dots between Gun sur how does gun survive? 1413 01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:24.039 Or Lake up to listen. There is a there is a like one hundred 1414 01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:29.800 page fact that is nothing but the like pure timeline and event lineage of the 1415 01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:33.359 Resident Evil franchise. Would you guys? So awesome? It is so listen 1416 01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.560 as someone who hasn't played a ton of Resident Evil games, it is awesome. 1417 01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:40.760 How crazy and weird that fiction goes because it's clearly one of those things 1418 01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:44.439 where like there's no master steward of this fiction. The fiction goes off the 1419 01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:47.960 rails with coded ronica. It's just like, whoever's around for this one? 1420 01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.640 I guess you get to decide what happens at Resident Evil next. I don't 1421 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:54.680 know, Well, it's almost it seems to me it's almost like one of 1422 01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:58.600 those like exquisite exquisite corpse things where like I listen, I'm gonna draw on 1423 01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:00.880 the top of the page and I'm gonna fold it over. Now you draw 1424 01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:02.119 the next part of the body and I'm gonna fold that over, and I 1425 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:04.039 Brad, do you draw the next part? And by the end we're up. 1426 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:08.920 The resident will five Like, wait, what, they're not zombies anymore? 1427 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.079 How did we get there? I don't know, look at the shoulders. 1428 01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:14.920 Code Ronica is the one where they left Racing City, and it was 1429 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.039 also the one that kind of ascribed the origins of Umbrella to like these crazy 1430 01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:24.920 like statistic aristocrats that turn into butterflies or whatever. So wait, did you 1431 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:29.600 beat Code Vernica X again this one or for the first time? Yeah, 1432 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:32.239 back in the day or now? Either Yeah, I not only did I 1433 01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:34.960 finish it back in the day, but playing it now makes me realize how 1434 01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:39.560 much I must have played that game, because like specific lines and cut scenes 1435 01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:42.640 and like little stingers in the music and stuff or like burned into my memory 1436 01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:45.000 twice, so the point that like when I hear them, I'm just like, 1437 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:46.600 wow, that sounds so familiar, Like, so, how is it 1438 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:50.640 holding up? It doesn't at all? That's what I was gonna say last 1439 01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:54.359 last week. You know, my assertion is that already for still holds up 1440 01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:57.439 pretty damn well, yeah, this game is not this is all fixed camera 1441 01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:00.359 angles. Yeah, this is this is straight up classic tank control roles, 1442 01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:02.560 like going all going all the way back to like probably what first alone in 1443 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:06.000 the dark. Isn't that when those sorts of controls really came about, Like 1444 01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:10.439 that is an ant quated way to play games like that? Is it is? 1445 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:12.640 It was it like hold ax or something? To run? Like how 1446 01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:15.399 do you actually yeah, well yeah that's I think it's always like that in 1447 01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.800 all the games to Run. But well, the way it works is that 1448 01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:20.720 you you turn, you hit right and left on the depats, you turn 1449 01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:25.159 your character on an access and regardless of the camera angle in which way they're 1450 01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:28.239 facing, you hit up to walk and back and they just back up like 1451 01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:32.920 a tank or or a car. That game is still pretty though it looks 1452 01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:38.720 okay you're talking about for Veronica. It actually like it looks okay. It 1453 01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:41.399 was a Dreamcast game originally, and like you know, it's an HD here, 1454 01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:44.399 but it's it does not a braid the eyeballs when you look at it. 1455 01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:46.760 You know, it is other than like some pretty pretty messy looking textures 1456 01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:49.239 and stuff like it. It looks, it looks tolerable, but it's just 1457 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:53.920 the the game play is just not pleasant. So I just I know we 1458 01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:59.199 talked about this last time, but I totally forgot already. Twenty dollars each. 1459 01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:03.840 Yeah, so yeah for four and then twenty hours for cod Ron, 1460 01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:08.479 but it's sold together in Japan. On Japan, they came out on a 1461 01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:15.159 disk together. It's probably seventy or eighty dollars in Japan. Here it's it's 1462 01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:20.920 twenty bucks per piecemeal. Uh, and twenty dollars is arguably justifiable for four. 1463 01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:24.880 I can't think of any way like this should have been. I think 1464 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:26.960 there should have been a ten dollar game, like for ten bucks. It's 1465 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:31.359 I think it's acceptable twice as much like like even this, this releasing at 1466 01:32:31.359 --> 01:32:35.800 all, especially alongside four, is just Japan not knowing. I don't know. 1467 01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:39.279 I guess it feels it feels like, hey, these are the three 1468 01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:43.119 D games we have, that those are way easier support than any work they 1469 01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:45.960 would have to go into two or three. They could not bring those other 1470 01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:48.840 games back with all those without style, all those litters, two D backgrounds, 1471 01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:51.920 They literally could not put those games on those systems and make them look 1472 01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:57.000 except it would look like fucking garbage, which they would release that resume at 1473 01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:01.600 one point five put out that the game, know the abandoned Resident Evil two, 1474 01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:04.640 remember the one that it was in like an office building or whatever. 1475 01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:11.640 Yes, it had I can't remember the almost finished a sequel to Reson Evil. 1476 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:15.720 Scrapped it and then there was like the footage of it was available on 1477 01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:19.640 the Resident one director's cut its existence. Oh yeah, yeah, it's there 1478 01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:23.720 and there's it was in magazines like John McCarty like saw it in person. 1479 01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:26.479 He played it back when he went to go. Was an actual three D 1480 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:32.159 No, it was RI two style, like grander backgrounds, but like there, 1481 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:35.359 the legend goes there are discs that around, but they are in the 1482 01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:40.119 hands of collectors that have no interest in you know, like some collectors get 1483 01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:43.199 stuff and like they want to expose it to the world and show like suppose 1484 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:45.680 the discs do exist outside of Capcom's hands, but just the people that haven't 1485 01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:49.279 have no interest in and showing the rest of the world. But it was 1486 01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:51.760 a holy separate game that was almost done until they scrapped it and start all 1487 01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:56.359 over and made RI two. I would love a remake of RI two though. 1488 01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:59.560 Yeah, well it's even like you see those the early gameplay footage of 1489 01:33:59.560 --> 01:34:03.159 of R four where there three versions are four. Well, a Ford became 1490 01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:06.600 Devil might Cry. Yeah, well what was going to be rid for? 1491 01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:11.880 Yes, became Devil might Cry. And then they made another ARI fourtot which 1492 01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:15.279 is that one where Leon is in the mansion again or like a man. 1493 01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:17.239 There's a bunch of footage of that out there. Yeah, there's like it's 1494 01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:23.239 the silhouetted there's like other the like straight up ghosts, look like a ghost 1495 01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:27.159 story, the abandoned that that got scrapped and then we got a Ford became 1496 01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:30.279 what we got, I guess during the anniversary of Resideval. It's kind of 1497 01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:33.119 sad that, like they have all of this stuff they could do with the 1498 01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:38.880 series, and what they what we get is just some HD liked of the 1499 01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:42.520 PC version. It's just you can do a lot with that series, especially 1500 01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:45.880 how fucked up that mythology is, and you could do a nice tribute to 1501 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.760 that series. That Capcom just doesn't seem very interested, and I wonder I 1502 01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:53.800 wonder iful we'll hear anything about a RD six anytime soon. I mean it's 1503 01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:58.840 been keep going. Anything they reboot or just side story. In terms of 1504 01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:03.079 the story, it's kind of like they wrapped up the Umbrella stuff pretty pretty 1505 01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:06.680 tidily. Like that stuff was just they put a boat. In terms of 1506 01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:11.680 zombies, viruses, ab alpha that ever, I mean they went back to 1507 01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:14.239 the source five. You know, I'd like them to get back to being 1508 01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:17.319 scary again. Five wasn't scary. I mean I played not much of five. 1509 01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:20.479 With with the Umbrella thing being solved and Wesker being dead, they have 1510 01:35:20.520 --> 01:35:24.680 to do something else with the fiction. They have to well the if you 1511 01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:27.560 can play Chris Redfield again fun, but like you need a new antagon, 1512 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:31.680 like we need a nineteen seventies like procedural kind of crop, right unless unless 1513 01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:34.159 they got back in time or something, then you can. I always like 1514 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:39.399 tomcamy when he was talking, everybody at Umbrella was happy and psyched. We're 1515 01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:42.600 gonna change the world. That's what that was what mccammy when he would like 1516 01:35:42.600 --> 01:35:45.279 talking interviews about ARE four before I four became what it eventually was, he 1517 01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:49.399 said his original idea was that you were an Umbrella agent working for Umbrella doing 1518 01:35:49.399 --> 01:35:54.079 stuff like that sounds Yeah, that sounds cool. That's that's the way that 1519 01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:57.560 you continue to incorporate Umbrella and make it okay. You just make it you 1520 01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:00.119 were an Aga friend Brella like going out and like trying to contain these fires 1521 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:02.720 and Umbrella has caused and that kind of be like, do you know what's 1522 01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:05.000 going on here? You guys? It's kind of weird, Like shut up 1523 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:09.880 the case. Anyways, they could almost retcon a lot of like that series 1524 01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:13.439 of weird mythology will also allowing you to go like investigate a bunch of different 1525 01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:16.520 weird things, and you know that could be cool and already saying like Torchwood, 1526 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:21.319 but for Umbrella and you're you're you're playing as doctor who who is actually 1527 01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:27.439 an Umbrella agent? Do it all makes sense? Somebody's all just a simulation 1528 01:36:27.439 --> 01:36:29.880 inside of Dark Souls. I think we talked about this last time. Also, 1529 01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.000 you play it with a light gun. You can play as the team 1530 01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:38.239 that dies in Arid one team that doesn't doesn't call back Alpha Squad and whatever. 1531 01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:41.239 Yeah, but they die kind of quick. It's a short game, 1532 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:46.840 it's downloadable. Whose blood is it? Berries? Berries playing A two is 1533 01:36:46.840 --> 01:36:49.840 the only game I've beating like seven or eight times I beat enough to get 1534 01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:54.439 Tofu. Wow, remember Tofu? I do. If you beat the game 1535 01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:57.600 enough times, you got to play as a giant thing at Tofu fish shot 1536 01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:00.720 Gun. I see, that's the story I want to play as I wanted 1537 01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:05.760 us tofu story. That's scary. More of a hunk man myself to the 1538 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:11.600 pregenator to hunk though, I guess so yeah, pregenator virus. See we 1539 01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:15.199 did. We've done it again. I'm gonna cut all this stuff out again. 1540 01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:18.960 Don't do it. The world has to know. I'll tell them Ryan. 1541 01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:24.439 Ryan is the umbrellas real truth. I'm sorry, guys. I'm more 1542 01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:27.920 curious. That's part of the podcast Scott Destroyed. I'm more curious if they 1543 01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:30.319 make a six or when they make a six, like what it plays like, 1544 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:31.399 you know, like is it going to be more of that, you 1545 01:37:31.399 --> 01:37:35.119 know, having to stop to aim and shoot kind of like it's yeah, 1546 01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:38.520 can they do that? Like they made two games like that. Can they 1547 01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:41.880 keep going with that? Or they have to? It's it's a shame because 1548 01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:45.199 I just have the feeling that that Capcom just doesn't know what to do with 1549 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:48.239 any of its stuff. All of the major creatives that made that series what 1550 01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:50.960 it is are gone? Yeah, so which could which could go either way? 1551 01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:55.079 Like the idea that like a younger staff member gets put in charge of 1552 01:37:55.119 --> 01:37:58.479 Residevil. Like it's not a series that you know, couldn't use a you 1553 01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:00.920 know shot in the own No, no aps. The problem is that it's 1554 01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:04.159 it's not suddenly this fresh new management staff. It's like that's that's the problems. 1555 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:06.680 The power structure still in place of Like, no, we need to 1556 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:10.399 ship games. Reside Evil is very popular. You guys need to make a 1557 01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:13.239 bunch of Reside Evil games. Oh you can just you know, make the 1558 01:38:13.279 --> 01:38:15.760 old ones again. Fine, we don't care. Just get these Resident Evil 1559 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:20.079 skews out there because oh god, video games. I mean, yeah, 1560 01:38:20.119 --> 01:38:24.520 there's window for one more Resideval before the next set of consoles. So like 1561 01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:30.039 they but they've got like five or six Resideval products in development, you know 1562 01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:36.520 development. I forget hy that comes out. That is a straight up third 1563 01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:42.000 person shooters that can even have a campaign. I think it's pretty multiplayer focused, 1564 01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:45.479 Like it's not it's not a mainline Resideval with a story. I'm not 1565 01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:51.239 that excelled. A Revelation played that a couple of times since do not shoot 1566 01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:56.760 water zombies. Water zombies, revelations. I don't know. They're like water 1567 01:38:56.800 --> 01:39:01.399 creatures, a ship, yeah, some chick with hair over your face alma 1568 01:39:02.840 --> 01:39:09.079 yeah. Crossover wrong, spooky series. Code Veronica. I don't know. 1569 01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:14.399 Maybe maybe you don't think games long to remember it was two discs. It's 1570 01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:18.840 very long. It's like one and a half. Yeah, but it's long. 1571 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:24.760 Yeah. All those residual games are kind of go along that era for 1572 01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:27.840 sure. Yeah, you go to like Antarctica on this on the second disc. 1573 01:39:28.199 --> 01:39:31.199 Oh that's right, boiler, that's right, switch characters, I think, 1574 01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:34.760 so, yeah, you know you do. I remember plays Claire and 1575 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:40.119 then you play with someone else. Weird. It came out of first person 1576 01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:45.840 mode yea from that uh so eight four Uh they did like a whole residual 1577 01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:48.319 podcast where John McCarty and Mark McDonald and what the people talked about that and 1578 01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:51.920 like, John McCarty owns a debug version of Code Veronica that has the first 1579 01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:55.800 person mode still in it before they took it out, and you can play 1580 01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:58.880 it through the entire game and first person. It's interesting, it's cool, 1581 01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:04.560 should probably be more fun. The tank controls first person tank controls, alright, 1582 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:09.640 alright, move on. We've had enough Reson evil talk. What they've 1583 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:13.520 had enough Resion evil talk. Who I'm talking about the movies yet? Who 1584 01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:15.079 I can talk about the movies. I actually haven't seen the most recent one 1585 01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:18.520 yet. Which is the most recent? I forget Patrick, you're the name 1586 01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:23.840 of the most recent. No, Apocalypse has Nemesis in it, though, 1587 01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:27.159 because I know you have known. But Nemesis was in like two because I 1588 01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:30.239 know you saw Apocalypse. Yeah, she saw three of them. I saw 1589 01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:34.640 three, but there's a fourth one that came out. Contagion. No, 1590 01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:40.239 I don't know, sounds sounds generic enough to be true. Rise at the 1591 01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:45.479 Planet of the Resident Evils Afterlife resid Evil Afterlife. Yeah, you're right. 1592 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:50.319 Wait, it wasn't that the CG movie. No, that was something else 1593 01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:55.159 for Yeah, there was also the CG movie. You're right enough Resident Evil 1594 01:40:55.199 --> 01:41:00.000 talk that that's where you draw the line. I want to talk real quick 1595 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:04.680 about X Men Destiny. What is X Men Destiny? Just out this week? 1596 01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:09.199 I've only played a little bit of it, but with the term mediocre, 1597 01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:13.720 I can enter into your and your description. I would define it by 1598 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:17.720 that description, which signed from what I've seen so far. What is it 1599 01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:23.279 give us the top one summary to Human Too. You should set it up 1600 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:26.399 a bit because this is this is Silicon Knights. Yeah, the Silicon Knights. 1601 01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:30.720 This game is like fluttered in and out of previously known for you know, 1602 01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:34.880 too Human and Eternal Darkness. And I know if he likes to talk 1603 01:41:34.920 --> 01:41:40.399 about the legacy of Kane because the first one, the first legacy of kny 1604 01:41:40.720 --> 01:41:44.960 Victor motherfucker. Yeah, the the first legacy. Yeah, Soryver is one 1605 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:47.039 of my favorite series of all times game, but they are unrelated to any 1606 01:41:47.039 --> 01:41:49.720 of that. They did that first. I know, Like, I just 1607 01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:56.520 wanted to say, where you're playing this people, people have long standing affection 1608 01:41:56.600 --> 01:41:59.560 for the Amy Hennig wrote that series. Oh the Still River once, yep, 1609 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:01.920 that's right, that's why so good. And then Eternal Darkness though that 1610 01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:08.800 that's the game is fantastic. But Resident Evil really though most there reson Evil 1611 01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:12.199 nothing. I was just trying to, okay, just say, I was 1612 01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:15.720 like, like, did they do a remake like they did for Metal Gear 1613 01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:19.079 Solid on the game cube. They did. They remade Reson Eval one on 1614 01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:25.560 the game Cube. They didn't. Silicon Knights did not remember did you know 1615 01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:29.680 what anyway? It is Silicon Knights's kind of a known developer, you know, 1616 01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:31.520 just Dyak, you know the name, but he has not been in 1617 01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:36.439 front of this game, like Silicon Nights, No one has been. He 1618 01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:40.359 has not given a sing as far as I know, a Night Angle interview 1619 01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:43.119 about this game. Silicon Knights hasn't been in front of this game. Denis 1620 01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:45.520 Dyak has not been in front of this game. Activision has been from definition 1621 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:50.359 of Marvel hasn't been in from like like, we've known that this has existed 1622 01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:55.520 for I don't know a year give or take. I know that they were 1623 01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:58.640 showing h you know, behind closed doors. They were showing builds of this 1624 01:42:59.079 --> 01:43:00.640 during dice or year this year. That was, you know, a good 1625 01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:03.880 six months ago. There was an event in San Francisco at some point for 1626 01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:08.800 this game. They showed this at but then the game was not addy, 1627 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:11.319 but they showed this at public events. They had this at packs. You 1628 01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:13.760 know, they've they've had this at places where people can playable, yeah, 1629 01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:17.520 playable, uh uh yeah, yeah, they had it at Comic Con. 1630 01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:21.319 So it's it's been around, but it's not been but they even it seems 1631 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:26.279 like it's very much kind of maybe a fan focus thing as opposed to we 1632 01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:30.520 should show this game to the press and see what they think. Yeah, 1633 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:35.479 they you know, just opening right out the gate. They made the cardinal 1634 01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:39.920 fucking mistake, which is, you don't want to play as the X Men's 1635 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:42.600 new buddies. You want to play as the fucking X Men. So I 1636 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:45.119 want to play as Batman, exactly, exactly. You don't want to pay 1637 01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:49.319 it play as Batman's new, made up, made up sidekick. But so 1638 01:43:49.479 --> 01:43:51.600 do you. Is it like one of those situations where you can pick all 1639 01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:55.199 the powers of the favorite X Men you want to be, you just can't 1640 01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:59.680 actually be that. You have three character origins to choose from, they're predetermined, 1641 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:03.159 and you have three different powers to choose from, which are also predetermined. 1642 01:44:03.279 --> 01:44:08.319 Which the difference what? Anyway, Yeah, the game bottom line is 1643 01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:10.520 that it's not a very good game. Do you pick an origin, you 1644 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:14.399 pick a power, pick a power. There's you know, shoot guys, 1645 01:44:14.439 --> 01:44:17.560 punch guys. Mind guys, Is that what it's called? No, I'm 1646 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:23.199 just you know, I'm I'm I'm distilling here, all right? But man 1647 01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:28.760 talk about FMV talk about about telling about cut scenes. There are pre riddered 1648 01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:30.039 cut scenes in that game, and Granted this is the three sixty version, 1649 01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:35.000 so you're dealing with the DVD all the limitations, not FMV, not active 1650 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:39.439 I'm talking pre rendered, but just the compression on there is so brutal. 1651 01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:42.079 I feel like we're seeing more and more of this being a problem. But 1652 01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:45.399 when this is kind of like one of your like first you know, best 1653 01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:47.800 foot forward kind of moments of hey, we're opening this game, show us 1654 01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:51.359 the best you've got, and the first thing you see is just horrible and 1655 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:56.880 pay compression all over the video just nasty. And then the thing that they're 1656 01:44:56.880 --> 01:45:00.760 compressing, like, I'm pretty sure my Xbox could have rendered that in real 1657 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:03.600 time, You're not. Are they using bank? Nothing you're showing me. 1658 01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:08.640 I couldn't tell you the compression codec. Unfortunately, there's nothing you're showing me 1659 01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:13.359 here. Seems like it's beyond the ability of this this console that I'm playing 1660 01:45:13.439 --> 01:45:16.720 on. Gears of War does some weird stuff with that too, where some 1661 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:21.800 cut scenes are in engine and then it weirdly switches to CG. But I 1662 01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:27.680 understand. I get it, Like you can't always render everything perfectly. It's 1663 01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:30.800 not worth your time to to necessarily tweak the end resources to make that happen 1664 01:45:30.840 --> 01:45:33.800 are not necessarily always worth them. It's like the chance that you're gonna get 1665 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:38.560 a fuck up during that real time rendered scene. If like geometry is gonna 1666 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:41.239 mess up, well, the chances are very high because it doesn't look good 1667 01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:45.760 when it's it's time in real time. It's just a weird game. It's 1668 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:50.279 just a like very narrow path, at least in the five bits fighting. 1669 01:45:50.319 --> 01:45:53.600 No, no, right, no, I'm fighting dudes. They're like these 1670 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:57.479 these weird like I said, weird extremist humans that are trying to get rid 1671 01:45:57.479 --> 01:46:01.279 of all mutants purists knocking them out. It must be like this isn't mature 1672 01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:03.720 or anything anything, you know, ripping heads off. No, you're you 1673 01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:06.800 know, you knock them down. It's a brawler in a lot of senses. 1674 01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:10.960 But how how deep is the combat? Not? Okay, it is 1675 01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:17.039 like punch kick throw, Yeah, you know our blue blue yellow. I 1676 01:46:17.079 --> 01:46:19.760 don't know yellow yellow. I didn't play two humans. I'm not aware. 1677 01:46:20.079 --> 01:46:23.079 How does it? Okay, let's say, okay, we lead to two 1678 01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:25.800 humans and that level hit combos, So we hit combos, you know, 1679 01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:30.279 jumps and pounds and things like that kind of you know, third person. 1680 01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:34.319 But extrapolated out some as far as the perspective goes Diablo esque in its perspective, 1681 01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:39.159 what's a character's name? Like I said, you have three different characters, 1682 01:46:39.199 --> 01:46:44.159 so you're starting to choose from. No, they are like very explicitly 1683 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:46.279 defined characters of this character is from Japan. Her parents brought her to the 1684 01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:50.640 United States. Uh. And then but then we're like captured or killed or 1685 01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:55.720 something, and she doesn't understand like why they brought here. All she has 1686 01:46:55.840 --> 01:46:59.159 is bitterness towards them for their decision. But then or you could play as 1687 01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:01.119 you know, this this guy, as you know, a freshman at UC 1688 01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:06.000 Berkeley, and he has aspirations to be on the football team there. And 1689 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:11.039 then there's this other guy who's the son of one of these human purists and 1690 01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:15.600 you know, whose father was martyr and so and so he has been you 1691 01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:17.319 know, raised to believe that this is the one true way and all this 1692 01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:20.600 sudden and like you get these weird little internal monologues while you're making these discs, 1693 01:47:20.640 --> 01:47:24.439 Like it's actually the opening bits of this where you're like, Okay, 1694 01:47:24.479 --> 01:47:27.800 there's this rally that's happening where the you know, this mutant organization, this 1695 01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:30.039 government mutant organization, the x mender standing we're gonna work together, We're gonna 1696 01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:33.079 make things cool here because we know there's a lot of mutants here and everything's 1697 01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:35.119 crazy, so we're trying to make it less. So you know, there's 1698 01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:39.039 this weird terrorist organization out there, and there's also Magneto and we have to 1699 01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:43.279 worry about him as well, like like kind of a good opening setup of 1700 01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:45.319 like, Okay, we've gathered all these people here, which is why they're 1701 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:47.760 these kind of random faces in the crowd. So when shit starts popping off, 1702 01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:56.800 kind of the exceptional one start start breaking. But then exactly but then 1703 01:47:56.960 --> 01:48:01.119 that guy he shoots Griff and he says, I saw I saw the Warriors 1704 01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:04.720 do it. Where he's like, what the fuck? Wait? Wait point 1705 01:48:04.760 --> 01:48:09.680 one point two? Did no one else see that guy shoot Griff? Point 1706 01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:13.439 three? What does everyone believe that guy that it was us? Also, 1707 01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:15.920 fuck you voice on the radio, what's your problem? This game sounds a 1708 01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:21.840 little derivative, and then and then you get into like, you know, 1709 01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:26.560 some some interesting concepts of how it's how it rolls out at the beginning, 1710 01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:30.000 but then you start it's always been the promise of this game, the premise 1711 01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:33.039 of this game is interesting. Like the idea of you like being this new 1712 01:48:33.079 --> 01:48:36.119 formative X Men, you know, in a world of change, is a 1713 01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:40.000 good idea. But the problem is like every one of your decisions of like 1714 01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:42.720 are you gonna do the good thing or the bad thing? Is like literally 1715 01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:45.560 you run up to two characters and it's like, I'm Pyro, I'm with 1716 01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:47.640 the Brotherhood, and I'm standing right next to the Ice Man, who's from 1717 01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:49.840 the X Men. Are you gonna do the thing? Are you take the 1718 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:54.840 mission for the Ice Man or for the Pyro? Yeah? So very very 1719 01:48:54.840 --> 01:48:57.840 clodly blue and red. Yeah, and you know, fire and Ice like 1720 01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:00.439 they like good and bad. It was it was like, okay, am 1721 01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:03.520 I gonna do the good thing or the bad thing? There's no grayness for 1722 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.960 for your decision making. So I would assume, and I'm no developer, 1723 01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:11.680 but I would assume that having three different characters with a game with a lot 1724 01:49:11.720 --> 01:49:15.279 of vo that you would have the same generic code name for every one of 1725 01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:19.880 those, Like Apollo, if you interview the Japanese, they're not They're not 1726 01:49:20.159 --> 01:49:25.439 X Men or anything yet, Like these are characters that either don't know that 1727 01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:29.840 they have powers or they're super latent at this point, so you don't have 1728 01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:33.680 it's it's it's hey you because no one else knows who you are, because 1729 01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:36.079 you just kind of popped out of the crowd. Dude or a girl. 1730 01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:40.359 Yeah, it's just it's just come over here. Hey, we need some 1731 01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:43.560 help at least at least at this part of the game. Maybe that, 1732 01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:47.760 but I imagine they did they write the dialogue so that it's just very generic 1733 01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:51.039 pronouns. Yeah, exactly, so you don't have to worry about gender or 1734 01:49:51.760 --> 01:49:55.800 specificity of the name. It's here. We'll do a quick look at it 1735 01:49:55.840 --> 01:49:57.840 so we can show a little more of that. I haven't played a huge 1736 01:49:57.800 --> 01:50:00.840 thing. Their first impressions are not they're not. I think I'm understanding why 1737 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:04.600 this has been getting buried. Why, you know, well's not. I 1738 01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:08.640 mean, the same thing happened to Singularity last year. Also, an Activision 1739 01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:12.000 game game was okay, it was not bad at all. I still need 1740 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:15.359 to go back. I have that not the greatest game ever made, but 1741 01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:18.880 it's really interesting, mechanics, perfectly adequate for what it was trending to do. 1742 01:50:20.840 --> 01:50:23.760 That game also just sort of snuck on the show. Well, I 1743 01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:27.720 mean, they that got a little bit more promotion than this. I think 1744 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:30.520 kind of a similar situation. But Singularity was well similar in that, you 1745 01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:33.239 know, you have these name developers that was a raven game Singularity, and 1746 01:50:33.279 --> 01:50:36.680 this is Silicon Nights. So you have developers that aren't necessarily top tier but 1747 01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:41.560 have some rate name recognition, you know, producing a game for Activision that's 1748 01:50:41.560 --> 01:50:46.239 just not getting the support in this case. You know, I don't know 1749 01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:53.239 that support is grant is warranted, and I also don't know that and and 1750 01:50:53.439 --> 01:50:55.439 you know, maybe it was the smart bit on Activision to being like, 1751 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:58.680 yeah, we could give cell con Nights another six to nine months to polish 1752 01:50:58.680 --> 01:51:01.880 this up, but what's the point. But but but we've seen Silicon Night's 1753 01:51:01.920 --> 01:51:05.119 track record. It's so just get this done. Let's yeah, let's just 1754 01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:08.640 put a bow on it and put it on store shelves. They'll still say 1755 01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:12.720 X men on it, and that'll mean something for us. This is pure 1756 01:51:12.800 --> 01:51:16.359 conjecture, but do you think there may have been some aspect of like contractual 1757 01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:20.199 fulfillment going on here? Like you you know how Sony Pictures has to make 1758 01:51:20.239 --> 01:51:24.239 a Spider or Spider Man movie every so often. Oh yeah, that's asolutely 1759 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:27.600 to maintain the like do you think it's like a a activision wants to put 1760 01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:30.800 out X number of Why do you think the games a year? Like? 1761 01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:32.880 Why do you think that Golden Eye got ported to the p S three in 1762 01:51:32.920 --> 01:51:35.439 three sixty is like, well, they thought there was gonna be a James 1763 01:51:35.439 --> 01:51:39.920 Bond movie for Fall, but there's not, so you have to put out 1764 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:43.119 something to fitfill right, Like you think there were some business reasons that may 1765 01:51:43.319 --> 01:51:45.560 can't say that, but that is built into those contracts is that you have 1766 01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:48.960 to put out something to support to keep that license or else you pay a 1767 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:53.920 penalty, which is why I like two K always complains about the MLB license 1768 01:51:53.960 --> 01:51:58.800 because they don't make enough money on those games, so they announced their shareholders 1769 01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:00.439 before the games came out. We're gonna take a loss. We have to 1770 01:52:00.439 --> 01:52:04.119 make these games until our contracts up. I remember who was it that was 1771 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:08.159 making the Star Trek games. They took Paramount like they were going to sue 1772 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:12.800 Paramount at some point because you know, this is again a decade ago when 1773 01:52:12.840 --> 01:52:16.079 it wasn't Simon and Schuster was when the when the Trek license was at its 1774 01:52:16.079 --> 01:52:20.479 most languished, uh like pre enterprise, like there was, there were no 1775 01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:26.039 TV shows on the air. The last movie they did was Nemesis, which 1776 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:29.680 was a stinker and a complete bomb. So they're like, what the fuck 1777 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:32.800 we're you know, obligated to make these Star Trick Maybe it was Activision, 1778 01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:35.239 I can't remember, so yeah, yeah, yeah, the contracts really the 1779 01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:39.920 other way where if the company is like supporting the franchise, like the thing 1780 01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:43.279 that we are supposed to be making games about is is just dying on the 1781 01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:46.079 vine because the license holders, the people who actually control the license, aren't 1782 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:48.399 doing anything good with it. So what the fuck are we supposed to do? 1783 01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:53.920 We've got shit. They're making tech War though there much rather make oh, 1784 01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:56.479 So that the basis of the suit was like like we were not seeing 1785 01:52:56.560 --> 01:52:59.119 like a good faith effort from the people who make this thing. Yes, 1786 01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:03.399 yeah, how are we How are we expected to sell, you know, 1787 01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:08.520 games to an audience that hates this franchise because you haven't done anything to reinvigorate 1788 01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:14.119 fucking Star Trek license. We were like, I think at the time that 1789 01:53:14.159 --> 01:53:17.520 they had that they started the license, they were making movies every other year. 1790 01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:21.239 There were two shows on the airs, DS nine and Voyager at the 1791 01:53:21.239 --> 01:53:26.880 time, you know, late late nineties, like pretty pretty good place to 1792 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:30.159 have a Star Trek license. And then just like almost all of a sudden, 1793 01:53:30.199 --> 01:53:34.119 everything dries up, both shows and uh and uh and the movies go 1794 01:53:34.119 --> 01:53:38.960 to shit and then stop being made all together, entered J. J. 1795 01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:42.079 Abrams. A decade later, you still had to have You still had to 1796 01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:47.600 go through the enterprise phase though before it was before Scott Bacula could truly kill 1797 01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:53.079 the heart of Star Treks so it can be revived new like Okay, no, 1798 01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:56.159 we've we've done the worst that we can do to it. Now we 1799 01:53:56.199 --> 01:54:01.239 could start all over again, vibrate, yeah, got Oh my god. 1800 01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:04.960 We'll tell you a thing or two about Quantum Leap zig as the worst show. 1801 01:54:05.239 --> 01:54:09.239 What is the worst show? What is the worst show? Why do 1802 01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:15.439 you Okay? My first issue with Quantum Leap comes from the opening. Brad 1803 01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:18.600 does not want to hear my die tribe about Quantum Leap. That show has 1804 01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:24.159 no less every episode, no less than three openings. All right, you 1805 01:54:24.239 --> 01:54:27.800 got your cold open, or Scott Bacula wakes up in someone else's body and 1806 01:54:27.800 --> 01:54:30.520 it's like, whoop, I don't know what's going on over here. Go 1807 01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:34.239 I gotta go wipe this mirror so I can see what my new fake face 1808 01:54:34.319 --> 01:54:41.039 looks like. And then it's the oh boy line opening one every episode opening 1809 01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:45.560 two, female voice talks to you about doctor Scott Bacula travel back in time 1810 01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:49.880 and jumps from one person by to another and his only buddy is is uh, 1811 01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:55.239 this guy's Dean Stockwell it looks weird and this is your problem with Quantum 1812 01:54:55.319 --> 01:54:57.760 leap and then the third and so they do that, and then they actually 1813 01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:00.880 have their opening credits where they have the whole song and and you do the 1814 01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:08.479 It's like seven minutes out of a forty four minute fucking drama. Probably put 1815 01:55:08.479 --> 01:55:12.600 they burn on opening from three and a half. The doogie howser music and 1816 01:55:13.439 --> 01:55:16.399 music, I can't tell the difference. It's like Superman and Indiana Jones themes. 1817 01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:27.479 Now all I have is is Dookie Houser. That's all I'm thinking. 1818 01:55:27.520 --> 01:55:31.479 Maybe, No, no, you you mixed it up. Now you're going 1819 01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:43.640 back? God Dan, it isn't Yeah, yeah, they can intertwined. 1820 01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:50.479 Okay. Also it's fucking cheesy and boring. I like, I think I 1821 01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:54.239 didn't like about Quantum. I don't think they ever resolved that show. Yeah, 1822 01:55:54.279 --> 01:55:57.920 no, they ended it with he will jump forever. It sucks is 1823 01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:00.920 that he will continue leaping and will never get out of it, and that's 1824 01:56:00.920 --> 01:56:03.600 the end. Ye at the end of that series is a complete bummer it 1825 01:56:03.680 --> 01:56:08.560 down. It's like there's evil leapers out there. That revelation was fucked up. 1826 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:12.920 Also, so I want to bring back a Quantum Leap game. I 1827 01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:15.880 feel like there's gonna pick up that that lucrative quantum Leap license. Finally, 1828 01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:23.239 Sliders could do a Tell Till Quantum. Yeah, someone would be excited. 1829 01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:29.159 One one person would be excited if you did a Sliders license game. What 1830 01:56:29.600 --> 01:56:32.319 Jerry O'Connell would be psyched. No, he's married to Rebecca Romaine. He 1831 01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:36.079 doesn't have to worry about ship. You say he's already psyched about that's good. 1832 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:41.079 He's good whatever. He got him dick bit off and a three D. 1833 01:56:45.319 --> 01:56:47.439 I was like Jerry O'Connell. He seemed pretty cool in the Parana movie. 1834 01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:51.399 You know. No, Jonathan Rise Davies, That's that's who'd be stoked 1835 01:56:51.439 --> 01:56:56.960 about. Eight. He's been written out of Indiana Jones, so we can't 1836 01:56:56.960 --> 01:57:00.079 come back. He can't go to that well, but yeah he might maybe 1837 01:57:00.119 --> 01:57:05.920 he'll return in the in the Hobbit, Good Young and Ghimli no characters not. 1838 01:57:06.119 --> 01:57:08.960 I don't think he does it. That doesn't matter, you know what 1839 01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:12.760 I mean. I don't think so. I don't think he's been cast like 1840 01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:18.439 I mean, they've set straight up that. You know that guy, he's 1841 01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:23.359 the drag, he's he's Smogs, he maybe he's all. Maybe he's everyone. 1842 01:57:23.399 --> 01:57:26.680 We don't know that he could be inside. That's right, that's the 1843 01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:30.239 quantum lead. But he opens with a quantum lead opening. He looks in 1844 01:57:30.279 --> 01:57:31.960 the mirror and he finds out he's the dragon, and oh boy, then 1845 01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:38.199 that would be Then that would be a short opening for a and then it 1846 01:57:38.199 --> 01:57:41.000 wouldn't it would make sense for him to do the voice of Small because he 1847 01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:43.239 did the voice of tree Beard. You see. It was like I couldn't 1848 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:46.079 Scott Acula. No, I'm talking about I'm talking about Davies. Okay, 1849 01:57:46.319 --> 01:57:50.960 we were talking about And then it ends with Smog at the computer being like, 1850 01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:56.600 dear Diary. All this is leading up to is that I'm really sad 1851 01:57:58.319 --> 01:58:01.119 we all learned the rumor about Leonard Nimoy doing the Small voice was not true. 1852 01:58:01.239 --> 01:58:04.039 Wait, that would have been great, Oh that would have been great. 1853 01:58:04.239 --> 01:58:08.960 That would be pretty good. Yeah, he could see that anyway. 1854 01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:15.399 Peter Jackson'll find a computer to do it. Decades of hard drinking, Leonard 1855 01:58:15.479 --> 01:58:18.880 nimoy A grew pretty amazing. Grasp. Yeah, yeah, it's nice and 1856 01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:24.680 gravelly. X Men, Yeah, we're talking about X Men Destiny. Talk 1857 01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:28.319 about news? You talking about news emails? Nope, Nope, can't go 1858 01:58:28.359 --> 01:58:31.119 that fast. That's nice, try though, Patrick, what's up with the 1859 01:58:31.159 --> 01:58:38.840 news? News man? Patrick klepd d d d d dud uh. This 1860 01:58:38.880 --> 01:58:42.279 coming out this year? We have a release date for Star Wars the Old 1861 01:58:42.319 --> 01:58:47.119 Republicists my voice to crack. That's outside twenty that's the That's the release date 1862 01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:51.479 they give to games that are Yeah, what what is what is this the 1863 01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:55.800 business think behind putting it out five days before Christmas? I don't know. 1864 01:58:56.560 --> 01:58:59.000 Does it have anything to do They can say it's out this year. Does 1865 01:58:59.039 --> 01:59:00.960 it have anything at all to do with the earlier in December end date for 1866 01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:05.520 Galaxies? Do you think? Probably nothing? I mean it has to come 1867 01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:10.880 after that, yeah, yeah, but I bet they have a buffer that 1868 01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:14.000 they require. But at the same time, I think it's a pretty smart 1869 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:16.920 date for that game. I do just getting ready for Christmas breaks well, 1870 01:59:16.920 --> 01:59:21.560 here's the thing is, like that is a complete dead zone for game releases 1871 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:28.199 anything after Thanksgiving. Generally speaking, not a lot of stuff comes out in 1872 01:59:28.239 --> 01:59:30.840 that time because publishers are scared of that time. And it's a game that 1873 01:59:30.920 --> 01:59:34.800 doesn't require a retail presence, so it can go digital. Everyone's at home, 1874 01:59:34.920 --> 01:59:39.720 people are off work. Yeah, they haven't gotten their games for Christmas 1875 01:59:39.880 --> 01:59:43.800 yet, so they might or are probably in between things. So you pay 1876 01:59:43.880 --> 01:59:47.079 your fifty bucks for all the public and you get your month and maybe they 1877 01:59:47.159 --> 01:59:49.560 hook you. And it's the only time until like spring break, that a 1878 01:59:49.640 --> 01:59:55.359 huge bunch of people have a collective amount of time off together, which you 1879 01:59:55.479 --> 02:00:00.239 need. You can convince a couple of friends to all downloaded. And but 1880 02:00:00.279 --> 02:00:05.359 who was looking up? Yeah, I was gonna see Final Fantasy ten is 1881 02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:09.920 a famous example of a game that was released just right in that crazy window. 1882 02:00:09.920 --> 02:00:12.960 There's been a few others that have that have just started that weird line. 1883 02:00:13.039 --> 02:00:15.239 I was, I was looking up the release date of World of Warcraft 1884 02:00:15.840 --> 02:00:18.760 because I made me wonder if they're trying to recreate some specific scenario there. 1885 02:00:19.279 --> 02:00:21.760 But this, uh wow, came out on the twenty third of November, 1886 02:00:21.800 --> 02:00:25.960 which is still later than pretty much every normal game. But that's still but 1887 02:00:26.039 --> 02:00:30.439 it's yeah, it's still during a high holiday personing period, right, But 1888 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:35.039 I specifically remember sitting at sitting at home for a week during Christmas doing nothing 1889 02:00:35.079 --> 02:00:40.479 but laying Wow, an MMO is timed really nicely with a long holiday break. 1890 02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:44.000 I guess those those dates, those late December dates always really stick out 1891 02:00:44.039 --> 02:00:47.359 to me because we're usually in some kind of like game of the year discussion, 1892 02:00:47.560 --> 02:00:50.199 and then it's yeah, that makes it a weird outlier for us because 1893 02:00:50.199 --> 02:00:53.600 we feel like we've wrapped everything up at that point, and then it's always 1894 02:00:53.640 --> 02:00:56.960 like, well the ship should we wait for to do to lock this stuff 1895 02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:00.680 down until game X, which is December twenty nine, ain't through something like 1896 02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:03.039 that, and so we can't, uh, And then it always feels kind 1897 02:01:03.079 --> 02:01:06.920 of weird. Like I remember Dead or Alive four came out on like the 1898 02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:11.000 twenty eighth of December one year. Yeah, well, but then it's always 1899 02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:13.119 like, well, you know, end of the year is such an arbitrary 1900 02:01:13.159 --> 02:01:15.239 day. You have to set your own cut off and you're like, all 1901 02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:16.920 right, we didn't consider anything past the state, But I just mean in 1902 02:01:17.119 --> 02:01:20.199 terms of like the game, like who kind of cares like if it comes 1903 02:01:20.199 --> 02:01:24.199 out this year or next year. Really it's such as only for us who 1904 02:01:24.239 --> 02:01:26.199 are like, well, we have a game of the year, deadline, 1905 02:01:26.720 --> 02:01:29.960 game of the years in the title. Yeah, I think, but yeah, 1906 02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:32.439 I think it makes sense. I think that they have a good opportunity 1907 02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:35.439 there to to put that game out in that window. I'm just glad they 1908 02:01:35.439 --> 02:01:39.479 have to have a date. Yeah that they're just they if somebody has written 1909 02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:42.720 something down, No, no, we're putting this out. Did you write 1910 02:01:42.760 --> 02:01:45.159 it? Did you send that thing out? I did? I sent out 1911 02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:47.800 the press release. What did you say? It's just Ray and Gregg talking 1912 02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:51.359 to each other. Yes, this is the conversation there. They're probably just 1913 02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:55.760 like, do you send out a thing that game come out yet? Which 1914 02:01:55.800 --> 02:01:59.439 one? This? The Star Trek One's one? Just some one free to 1915 02:01:59.479 --> 02:02:03.760 playment So that's not ours or whatever? The game the game I don't know 1916 02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:08.239 j P online. I think all the Yeah, the Star Wars. I 1917 02:02:08.319 --> 02:02:12.319 imagine that that game has been in development and has touched every last tendril of 1918 02:02:12.520 --> 02:02:15.439 BioWare, that everyone at BioWare now knows far more about Star Wars than they 1919 02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:19.520 ever wanted to. I feel like I'm My hope is that everybody at BioWare 1920 02:02:19.560 --> 02:02:24.399 already knew so much about Star Wars, you would hope, yeah, although 1921 02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:29.159 I mean it was developed in Austin by a large part of the Texas knows 1922 02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:31.800 about Yeah, the people that already knew about Star Wars, the people are 1923 02:02:31.960 --> 02:02:34.520 making the last Star Wars. Mm. The people who made Cotor are not 1924 02:02:34.600 --> 02:02:38.960 the ones who made this, you know, by large I think I bet, 1925 02:02:39.000 --> 02:02:41.600 I bet Ryan Gregor like fully invested in this game. I assume this 1926 02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:44.680 is such a big problection gooping on there. The whole, the whole of 1927 02:02:44.720 --> 02:02:47.439 the A is hugely invested in. This game needs to be a success, 1928 02:02:48.640 --> 02:02:54.199 as a massive success, even if it is not, has to be perceived 1929 02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:57.720 as a success. I saw a comment somewhere the like half a million subscribers 1930 02:02:57.760 --> 02:03:00.560 would be considered a success for them. I don't know if. Yeah, 1931 02:03:00.640 --> 02:03:02.279 they've talked about they've talked about the levels before. I don't remember them, 1932 02:03:02.640 --> 02:03:05.920 so there is no But that's not I feel like that's not meaningful until you 1933 02:03:06.039 --> 02:03:10.399 get out to like five months. I shouldn't I shouldn't say a success. 1934 02:03:10.439 --> 02:03:13.079 I think like that was like profitable numbers. You need to see, you 1935 02:03:13.159 --> 02:03:15.760 know, we need to see what those numbers, what subscriber numbers are five 1936 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:18.680 months after launch, because you need to chew through your whatever you're three plus 1937 02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:23.760 one, you know, an initial three months or whatever, like you gotta 1938 02:03:23.800 --> 02:03:27.760 get past you gotta get past that buffer. Don't really know until February. 1939 02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:32.560 But this is still Origin exclusive digitally, and they they're claiming that they're going 1940 02:03:32.600 --> 02:03:35.399 to cut off pre orders at some point, Well what did they not already 1941 02:03:36.359 --> 02:03:40.159 already? Like, well, they they said they were going to I don't 1942 02:03:40.159 --> 02:03:43.239 think it's been cut off yet. Pre orders have been relatively healthy. Yeah, 1943 02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:45.560 like the I guess they're super crazy special editions sold out already. I 1944 02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:47.920 mean, if you try to take the non centical position of why they're doing 1945 02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:53.199 that, of just they've have mathed out what the server limit is and they 1946 02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:56.239 just want to make sure that everyone has a good first day, especially if 1947 02:03:56.239 --> 02:03:58.720 they're long. If they knew they were launched in December twentieth, like it's 1948 02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:01.119 everyone's going to use it. They're pre ordered. So if I am not 1949 02:04:01.239 --> 02:04:05.600 cynical about them just using that to generate headlines that maybe that's a smart move 1950 02:04:05.720 --> 02:04:10.680 to hey, we can only fit this much after that, Look you can 1951 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:14.399 come in in January once we've you know, bought new servers and got everything 1952 02:04:14.439 --> 02:04:16.159 to spec out. I do feel like it's a tough story to spin though, 1953 02:04:16.279 --> 02:04:19.880 of like, let's just say and I think I think it would be 1954 02:04:19.920 --> 02:04:23.760 a great move to manage server load. But if they're like, yeah, 1955 02:04:23.800 --> 02:04:27.720 it was a really clean launch day and like servers never got overloaded, and 1956 02:04:27.760 --> 02:04:30.239 then you're just gonna have some people be like yeah, yeah, well if 1957 02:04:30.279 --> 02:04:33.039 they can say that plus also give you a high subscription, you know, 1958 02:04:33.039 --> 02:04:38.079 if they can say we sold a million copies and the launch day went success 1959 02:04:38.079 --> 02:04:41.680 because they budgeted for that, but yeah, the cynical ways like wow, 1960 02:04:41.760 --> 02:04:44.439 they're probably just trying to get you to get it now. Yeah, but 1961 02:04:44.560 --> 02:04:46.680 like, of course you didn't have a high server load launch day. Yeah, 1962 02:04:47.119 --> 02:04:50.279 Like it's almost like it's almost like one of those like badges of honor, 1963 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:54.439 where like Nintendo it's like we sold out day one and like that's a 1964 02:04:54.479 --> 02:04:58.279 bigger story than like, yeah, you only shipped ten fucking copies of your 1965 02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:00.800 DS to every store. Of course you sold about because five people bought it, 1966 02:05:01.199 --> 02:05:04.079 and like instead of like our servers crash, we had such a hard 1967 02:05:04.159 --> 02:05:08.359 time. It's so crazy fires everywhere. We had to make We had to 1968 02:05:08.399 --> 02:05:15.039 put seventeen more servers online. People dead day one. That's the headline instead 1969 02:05:15.079 --> 02:05:17.039 of like, no, it's really no, that's a great that's the headline 1970 02:05:17.079 --> 02:05:18.960 that I want. I'm right, I'll go put it. I'll put it 1971 02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:25.039 in the service. Just get it ready, upcoming ten people dead at On 1972 02:05:25.119 --> 02:05:29.359 a related note, Star Wars Galaxy lunch or went down. When is that 1973 02:05:29.439 --> 02:05:32.520 go down? I want to say, yeah, five days prior so, 1974 02:05:33.039 --> 02:05:36.600 So December fifteenth is the final day for Star Wars Galaxies. I have my 1975 02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:43.960 that's I have my dude, I'll get a little bit deeper into galaxies. 1976 02:05:44.680 --> 02:05:47.760 Star Cider. I can't remember what fucking server rhyme on stars Cider. That 1977 02:05:47.880 --> 02:05:50.359 might be the name of it. And that's cutting off soon, right, 1978 02:05:50.359 --> 02:05:54.439 if not already, that's the Oh the cut off date for accounts. Yeah, 1979 02:05:54.479 --> 02:06:00.239 that's that's past gone. Yeah that was September fifteenth. I think I'm 1980 02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:06.760 very excited about Older public. I'm curious cautiously. I hope, I hope. 1981 02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:11.199 I hope it's better than Star Wars Galaxies. I don't think that'll be 1982 02:06:11.359 --> 02:06:14.600 hard. No, No, it's weird playing and it's it's kind of I 1983 02:06:14.640 --> 02:06:16.880 guess I'm just worried it's not gonna feel like a BioWare game is, but 1984 02:06:17.000 --> 02:06:20.600 I'm looking at it's gonna feel like an MMO with some BioWare touches on it, 1985 02:06:20.680 --> 02:06:24.920 which is I don't want to play that. Yeah. Yeah, they're 1986 02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:29.560 they're they're making a massively multiplayer online role playing games. I was. I 1987 02:06:29.720 --> 02:06:32.359 was sold to three through ten. There. I don't think that's what I'm 1988 02:06:32.439 --> 02:06:40.119 They're not reimagining what a what an MMO can be. I don't know, 1989 02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:44.079 but it's weird, Like it's weird playing a little bit of of somebody played 1990 02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:49.039 maybe an hour or two of Galaxies so far, but like you don't you're 1991 02:06:49.079 --> 02:06:54.159 not exposed to other people in that game for a while, at least in 1992 02:06:54.199 --> 02:06:58.960 its current state. And it's one of those in its current state. Well, 1993 02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:00.399 it's one of those. It's i'man that's one of those games that got 1994 02:07:00.600 --> 02:07:04.319 hugely overhauled, yes, like during several times, several times over the course 1995 02:07:04.359 --> 02:07:09.079 of its existence. So like your starting areas stuff when you play this game 1996 02:07:09.159 --> 02:07:13.239 now is unrecognizable from when that game first launched. Can you still be a 1997 02:07:13.319 --> 02:07:15.039 dancer ten years ago? Yeah? You used to be entertainer is one of 1998 02:07:15.079 --> 02:07:20.199 those what it's called. I went with smuggler because they had the coolest clothes. 1999 02:07:20.560 --> 02:07:25.920 Smugglers can't be entertainers. I'm a I'm a grido smuggler whatever those I 2000 02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:28.800 forget what those are called. I think that's a Yeah, Rodians, thank 2001 02:07:28.840 --> 02:07:33.640 you. What's your guy's name? I'm not divulging that information just yet. 2002 02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:38.880 Okay, yeah, keeping that one close to the Vest sixteen skyhopper. Do 2003 02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:42.199 you remember that? You don't know what I'm talking about here? All right, 2004 02:07:42.479 --> 02:07:45.159 talk about it later anyways. Old Republic coming out December twentieth, Savior 2005 02:07:45.279 --> 02:07:51.600 Nichols or keep on, yeah, whatever, I don't care. I don't 2006 02:07:51.600 --> 02:07:57.359 care what you pay for it in roubles, I give a shit whatever. 2007 02:07:57.920 --> 02:08:01.720 I guess Origin accepts one at a fistful of Korean one and my desk, 2008 02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:05.199 I don't know. You log into Origin, see if they'll take it, 2009 02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:11.079 scanting an email it to somebody. Just shove it into your monitor. Here's 2010 02:08:11.279 --> 02:08:13.960 I've got this money, put it in one of your fans and it'll just 2011 02:08:15.319 --> 02:08:20.199 it'll spit it up and correct the doital currency. So other yeah, people 2012 02:08:20.359 --> 02:08:26.760 saying stuff about releasing their games, including dough to two. So last week 2013 02:08:26.840 --> 02:08:31.399 we saw this was out of Sweden or somewhere. Someone just decided to put 2014 02:08:31.479 --> 02:08:35.800 out a whole bunch of information from their dough to two. So yeah, 2015 02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:39.760 so we got a hold of the beta and basically data Minded the client has 2016 02:08:39.760 --> 02:08:41.600 been leaked, right, Yeah, the client's been leaked and it's playable in 2017 02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:46.920 a really broken state. But uh yeah, and the people data minded for 2018 02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:50.399 the creatures and items and everything. And then yeah, they out of nowhere 2019 02:08:50.520 --> 02:08:54.199 Valve just announced Hey, or I guess Ice Frog, who I cannot determine 2020 02:08:54.239 --> 02:08:56.199 his real name. It seems that doesn't actually exist. It's out there. 2021 02:08:56.640 --> 02:09:00.319 I don't I can't remember when I looked it up. Everyone was just saying, 2022 02:09:00.359 --> 02:09:01.199 no, it's not actually true, So I don't know. Anyway, 2023 02:09:01.199 --> 02:09:05.640 Ice Frog the co creator of Doda. Oh, he's just the maintainer, 2024 02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:07.039 is it? Maintainer? Okay, that's why I was saying co creator. 2025 02:09:07.560 --> 02:09:11.159 Uh, just give me some some arrows. Definitely some other people. Uh 2026 02:09:11.439 --> 02:09:16.039 anyway, the guy who is now the head of Doda for all intensive purposes. 2027 02:09:16.680 --> 02:09:18.479 Yes, so that they're just ditching the idea of doing like this closed 2028 02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:22.399 beta, of just iterating the game for a year and they're just gonna release 2029 02:09:22.439 --> 02:09:26.720 it in a couple of weeks. Wait, really, he didn't say that 2030 02:09:26.920 --> 02:09:28.119 soon, did he? Like, I think they said they said we're gonna 2031 02:09:28.159 --> 02:09:31.199 put it out there, so in the near future, so but that would 2032 02:09:31.239 --> 02:09:35.039 imply, you know, soon ish, within a month or two probably. 2033 02:09:35.119 --> 02:09:37.840 Yeah, it's just they're just gonna it's gonna be invite only for a little 2034 02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:41.760 while while they clean up the interface and get things ready for a full on 2035 02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:43.399 assault by But they were talking about it. This is gonna be a work 2036 02:09:43.439 --> 02:09:46.079 in progress. It's not like, all right, we're just gonna stop work 2037 02:09:46.159 --> 02:09:48.880 now. It's like, no, we're just gonna open it up so that 2038 02:09:48.920 --> 02:09:54.960 everyone can play it and we'll keep tuning. And it doesn't seem like that, 2039 02:09:54.079 --> 02:09:58.000 like they don't have a business model yet. Is this will just be 2040 02:09:58.079 --> 02:10:00.439 out there and you're just gonna help them make it, and then at some 2041 02:10:00.560 --> 02:10:03.880 point you'll start paying for things. You're not buying this assum so you just 2042 02:10:03.960 --> 02:10:07.960 download the client for free. And they haven't said that explicitly, but the 2043 02:10:07.079 --> 02:10:11.520 wording is like, we're just gonna put this out there and you're gonna help 2044 02:10:11.600 --> 02:10:15.199 us make it. And then I mean, because Gabe at games Com when 2045 02:10:15.199 --> 02:10:16.239 he was asked about a business model and he said, we won't have one, 2046 02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:18.800 but he said, well, you think it's just like charging for heroes 2047 02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:24.880 Whatever's like, I don't know that, yeah, I mean he was like, 2048 02:10:24.920 --> 02:10:26.199 would you like that? I don't know. Yeah. He was his 2049 02:10:26.359 --> 02:10:28.520 whole like philosophy was like, we'll figure it out, as would go along 2050 02:10:28.520 --> 02:10:31.760 when something feels right and comfortable. And this just seems to be a reaction 2051 02:10:31.800 --> 02:10:35.720 to that of just people really liked what they've put together so far, so 2052 02:10:37.479 --> 02:10:39.960 why put that out a year from now? Just put it out now. 2053 02:10:39.079 --> 02:10:43.039 My understanding is that the beta is at around forty six heroes right now out 2054 02:10:43.079 --> 02:10:46.119 of I mean, the original Doda has over one hundred, which everything and 2055 02:10:46.159 --> 02:10:48.880 everything that was in the international yeah, exactly, and they're they're trying to 2056 02:10:48.880 --> 02:10:52.520 replicate all those So I mean, if they launch at forty six or whatever, 2057 02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:54.520 like that is a huge amount of headroom to start rolling stuff out piecemeal, 2058 02:10:54.640 --> 02:10:58.680 and who knows, like maybe charging for hero packs or I mean they 2059 02:10:58.760 --> 02:11:01.399 just haven't said, but you can. It kind of sounds like it's just 2060 02:11:01.479 --> 02:11:03.159 going to be free and then it'll just figure its not even free to play, 2061 02:11:03.279 --> 02:11:07.319 not even like launching with a quote unquote free to play business model where 2062 02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:11.520 they sell like micro transacted little stuff. It's just like straight up free and 2063 02:11:11.560 --> 02:11:16.079 then that would be wild. It's interesting. I mean, Valve is the 2064 02:11:16.119 --> 02:11:20.760 only company that can pull something like that off. Ay, Valve right over 2065 02:11:20.840 --> 02:11:24.920 here, buddy, give us a holler. It sounds like it sounds like 2066 02:11:24.960 --> 02:11:28.720 we'll be playing a sooner, ready to play to please please, let's get 2067 02:11:28.760 --> 02:11:33.920 to get the team together. I can't imagine working been ready for the sort 2068 02:11:33.920 --> 02:11:37.960 of environment though, where it's like, what's the thing we're working? I 2069 02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:39.159 don't know, Well, wait, what's what are we going to charge for? 2070 02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:43.000 I don't know if we're gonna wait, so how do we just I 2071 02:11:43.000 --> 02:11:46.159 don't know, just make the game and make it cool. We got money, 2072 02:11:46.159 --> 02:11:48.359 I don't know, money, we got nice. I could imagine work 2073 02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:56.319 moving on. Let's talk about we don't already talked about Job of three. 2074 02:11:56.399 --> 02:11:58.199 So they said, yeah, it's coming out in early twelve, Journey is 2075 02:11:58.279 --> 02:12:01.880 coming, Journey not delayed, but Journey is now Spring twenty twelve, twelve. 2076 02:12:03.760 --> 02:12:05.640 But that never had a firm that was the first person shooter. Yep, 2077 02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:11.479 just like it's actually like like kind of game like Rage. Yeah, 2078 02:12:11.680 --> 02:12:18.560 exactly like Rage, it's playable only when you're on meth. Okay, well 2079 02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:22.600 that was everything's better on Journey. It's a blank screen. And then take 2080 02:12:22.680 --> 02:12:30.399 the math. I need to clean up on the sand stand in my teeth. 2081 02:12:31.199 --> 02:12:35.279 Do you want to talk about this Metacritic stories, Son Patrick? Yeah, 2082 02:12:35.039 --> 02:12:39.439 so when we talked about this, uh last talked about We didn't talk 2083 02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:43.840 about this last week, but you uh you ran the story about some some 2084 02:12:43.000 --> 02:12:50.039 crazy groups of users that were basically going out and review bombing UH specific games 2085 02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:52.399 on Metacritics. Yeah. So the origin of how I came across the story 2086 02:12:52.520 --> 02:12:56.920 was I was pointed towards UH Signal Studios, who makes Toy Soldiers. Uh, 2087 02:12:58.000 --> 02:13:01.640 they're community manager Logan to melt I want to say his name is, 2088 02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:07.039 it's definitely Logan. Was they had noticed on Metacritic that their user average like 2089 02:13:07.239 --> 02:13:11.000 just dive bomb by like three points and they're suddenly out of nowhere overnight, 2090 02:13:11.960 --> 02:13:13.039 and so they were trying to figure out how to address that. Because they 2091 02:13:13.079 --> 02:13:16.720 made an appeal to Metacritic, a Medicritic said hey, we'll look into it. 2092 02:13:16.880 --> 02:13:20.000 Nothing changed, so there's limited tools to a developer. So their idea 2093 02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:24.000 was well, let's appeal to the community saying, hey, you know, 2094 02:13:24.159 --> 02:13:26.560 the review score really tanked out of these. And the thing i Metacritic is 2095 02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:30.119 you can write in a text review and submit a score with it, or 2096 02:13:30.239 --> 02:13:33.720 just register an account and just submit a score and you don't have to submit 2097 02:13:33.720 --> 02:13:37.960 any text with it. So they asked their community to write some reviews, 2098 02:13:37.000 --> 02:13:39.560 said doesn't have to positive negative, We're just looking for more reviews. And 2099 02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:43.239 I think they just assumed that it would go up. They were like tying 2100 02:13:43.319 --> 02:13:48.359 in like codes, they were giving away with it, really and really like 2101 02:13:48.720 --> 02:13:50.039 so I ended up calling like their CEO and just talking to It's like, 2102 02:13:50.239 --> 02:13:54.159 hey, you know, I see how this headline gets written. I don't 2103 02:13:54.199 --> 02:13:56.760 want to write that headline because I'm not an asshole. So I'm kind of 2104 02:13:56.800 --> 02:14:00.399 curious what you're why you would choose to go this route with addressing this problem 2105 02:14:00.920 --> 02:14:03.279 very upfront with how like they don't have a lot of tools to deal with 2106 02:14:03.399 --> 02:14:09.199 Metacritic. And even though publishers don't use the user scores to determine royalty payouts, 2107 02:14:09.720 --> 02:14:13.600 payouts and and bonuses, it's still very important for a small studio to 2108 02:14:13.720 --> 02:14:16.279 have a consistent regular critics score and user score, like, so that gives 2109 02:14:16.319 --> 02:14:20.920 it the appearance that people are big fans of their products. So they if 2110 02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:24.680 nothing else, they're just looking for a true score. Yes, of like 2111 02:14:24.920 --> 02:14:28.520 this is this is honestly representative of what the fans think, of what people 2112 02:14:28.600 --> 02:14:35.000 think, not just this weird kind of distorted view that you get from people 2113 02:14:35.039 --> 02:14:37.680 going in there and sucking it up just beatrolls. Yeah, and so he 2114 02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:41.279 pointed me saying that they only looked at their user score because Super Giant had 2115 02:14:41.359 --> 02:14:43.880 run into the same problem where the all of a sudden their think tanked by 2116 02:14:43.880 --> 02:14:48.720 two or three points overnight with just purely score only no text reviews. So 2117 02:14:48.840 --> 02:14:52.479 starts to Greg about that, and they kind of handled it the same way. 2118 02:14:52.479 --> 02:14:54.800 They weren't giving away copies of the game, but just hey, guys, 2119 02:14:54.880 --> 02:14:56.920 we don't know what happened. If you haven't written a review, but 2120 02:14:56.960 --> 02:14:58.600 you'd like to, you know, this would be great because it really they 2121 02:14:58.640 --> 02:15:01.680 just you know, it's this weird gray area because it sounds like you're begging 2122 02:15:01.760 --> 02:15:05.039 for positives, but what are they? What are they supposed to like, 2123 02:15:05.079 --> 02:15:07.880 they don't have a lot, you know, Metacritic has kind of screwed them 2124 02:15:07.920 --> 02:15:13.439 over through their policies to the developers don't have a lot of retaliation except for 2125 02:15:13.520 --> 02:15:16.439 this kind of weird gray area. So I talked to Metacritic about it, 2126 02:15:16.479 --> 02:15:18.479 pointed out to them, and they were just like, oh, we have 2127 02:15:18.520 --> 02:15:20.079 a policy in place, but you know, there's there's not not much Queen, 2128 02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:22.840 we can do. So I put up a story saying all that, 2129 02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:26.520 and then mysteriously two days later, like all the scores got corrected, and 2130 02:15:26.800 --> 02:15:31.520 talking to Signal and to its a super giant, it's like, yeah, 2131 02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:33.560 I don't know, they didn't contact us. So I contacted Metacritic and they 2132 02:15:33.600 --> 02:15:37.000 were like, yeo, oh, yeah, you know, this is normal. 2133 02:15:37.159 --> 02:15:39.319 This is normal, Like we just we saw it and we when we 2134 02:15:39.399 --> 02:15:41.960 fixed it. When you know, the implication being they saw that story and 2135 02:15:43.039 --> 02:15:45.560 saw a lot of the negative comments and decided to go and address that. 2136 02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:48.560 But the problems with Metacritic is because they don't require text that this. You 2137 02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:50.800 know, that's the easy way to solve this is that if someone wants to 2138 02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:52.640 die, if someone wants to be, they don't change that. I thought 2139 02:15:52.640 --> 02:15:56.840 they changed that, Okay, so now you because because I went in and 2140 02:15:56.399 --> 02:16:00.920 found it. Even after that, like Russian out looked for a game, 2141 02:16:00.960 --> 02:16:01.399 we're like, all right, what score would I give this? Like? 2142 02:16:01.439 --> 02:16:05.239 Can I just do the give this game a score without associe any text? 2143 02:16:05.800 --> 02:16:07.520 And you can, And so the way to solve that is having text, 2144 02:16:07.680 --> 02:16:13.000 but it wouldn't it wouldn't necessarily make stem the problem. You can still give 2145 02:16:13.560 --> 02:16:18.319 a game a one and then say this game is terrible for these reasons, 2146 02:16:18.399 --> 02:16:20.439 and they're not going to audit the number and the text right to be like, 2147 02:16:20.479 --> 02:16:22.800 wow, the text doesn't really match ye, but that might be more 2148 02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:28.319 effort than their typical That's what that's what they're thinking is that it would at 2149 02:16:28.399 --> 02:16:31.239 least cut down the club, right, like you can register twenty accounts really 2150 02:16:31.319 --> 02:16:35.879 quickly and just spam it with scores. Yeah, I don't know. Like 2151 02:16:37.120 --> 02:16:39.239 the running theory I saw from some people commenting on the story was like, 2152 02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:43.639 well, if it was just those games recently, you know those are two 2153 02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:48.040 Xbox three sixty you know up there you know PC versions for the for Bashion, 2154 02:16:48.120 --> 02:16:50.680 but there were three sixty only games. So you could see maybe some 2155 02:16:50.799 --> 02:16:56.360 sort of platform site or platform communities saying we're gonna goose. I mean, 2156 02:16:56.079 --> 02:17:00.840 you've seen this kind of like malicious group score bombing up until like the bigger, 2157 02:17:01.159 --> 02:17:03.639 higher profile like Dragonage Too, for instance, Like that was a really 2158 02:17:03.680 --> 02:17:07.280 big budget, you know, heavily promoted game that people felt kind of cheated 2159 02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:09.000 on in some ways, Like it makes sense there when they bomb it. 2160 02:17:09.079 --> 02:17:11.280 But like these guys, these are like like this is the little guy. 2161 02:17:11.399 --> 02:17:15.719 Yeah, like and there's no there's also these are like pretty good games around 2162 02:17:15.799 --> 02:17:18.280 which no apparent controversy exists, Like what sport? What want to see the 2163 02:17:18.319 --> 02:17:22.600 World burn? I guess yeah, like yeah, I mean you see it 2164 02:17:22.600 --> 02:17:24.399 on Amazon all the time. Review bombing is not like a new concept, 2165 02:17:24.600 --> 02:17:26.760 no, no, no, it's just it's just the target seems kind of 2166 02:17:26.760 --> 02:17:28.520 weird. And you know, used like that used to be a big thing 2167 02:17:28.639 --> 02:17:33.319 on iTunes where people just go in and they didn't like the fact that something 2168 02:17:33.399 --> 02:17:37.319 was ninety nine cents, so they would just give it a zero stars, 2169 02:17:37.760 --> 02:17:41.799 not having purchased it. iTunes corrected that mostly by you can do whatever you 2170 02:17:41.879 --> 02:17:43.399 want to again to an application, as long as you've bought it. You 2171 02:17:43.479 --> 02:17:46.719 can say whatever you want, if whatever score you want, but at least 2172 02:17:46.760 --> 02:17:50.000 you've given over the dollar or two dollars and then do what you will. 2173 02:17:50.760 --> 02:17:54.479 But it could a weird things. User reviews in general only useful to a 2174 02:17:54.520 --> 02:17:58.959 point, like yes, you know you go on Yelp, and I mean 2175 02:17:58.040 --> 02:18:03.000 it's the most added glance information that you can get, or actually you don't. 2176 02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:03.799 New Egg is the one that was going to cite, where like people 2177 02:18:03.840 --> 02:18:07.159 will give a product one star on new Egg because the shipping got screwed up 2178 02:18:07.200 --> 02:18:09.920 and it went to another address or something like you never even touched the product, 2179 02:18:11.000 --> 02:18:13.920 but you're rating the product down from New Eggs like shipping screw up. 2180 02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:16.319 Well, that that's why I think Patrick, what you're saying with the it 2181 02:18:16.520 --> 02:18:20.159 is it might sound insidious on the outside, but just having more reviews and 2182 02:18:20.319 --> 02:18:24.280 increasing the average does actually help that stuff out. Where Like you know, 2183 02:18:24.319 --> 02:18:26.639 if a developer is like if you think your game is good, if you 2184 02:18:26.879 --> 02:18:30.520 just infuse you with one hundred new reviews, most likely your average is going 2185 02:18:30.760 --> 02:18:33.159 to go up. Well, even even it doesn't, you just kind of 2186 02:18:33.200 --> 02:18:35.680 mellow out the edge cases where you know, it's just like the impact that 2187 02:18:35.799 --> 02:18:39.719 that they can have good or bad, right. I mean it is like 2188 02:18:39.799 --> 02:18:43.159 on Amazon or new Egg, if you get if you have five reviews and 2189 02:18:43.239 --> 02:18:46.479 they're all five, I would much rather have a four star review with a 2190 02:18:46.600 --> 02:18:48.639 thousand reviews, that'd be like, wow, that really beat the chances. 2191 02:18:50.079 --> 02:18:54.239 And that's generally how they order them is like whatever has the most the most 2192 02:18:54.360 --> 02:18:58.399 reviews like that, that matters more than necessarily the overall score, because the 2193 02:19:00.079 --> 02:19:03.000 larger the sample group, the truer your score is going to be. That's 2194 02:19:03.040 --> 02:19:05.319 how I always do YELP is that I just do most amount of views and 2195 02:19:05.399 --> 02:19:07.280 if it's three three and a half stars, like, well, that place 2196 02:19:07.360 --> 02:19:11.639 is probably pretty eactly right, because then you're then you're accounting for the assholes 2197 02:19:11.680 --> 02:19:15.040 that are bombing it for one or the people that know the you know, 2198 02:19:15.120 --> 02:19:18.639 the people that work there and are giving it a five. Well, I 2199 02:19:18.680 --> 02:19:20.639 guess this doesn't really come up that much on Metacritic, but you know what 2200 02:19:20.760 --> 02:19:24.600 if you have people doing the opposite of just because they do bywur got caught 2201 02:19:24.680 --> 02:19:26.479 for it all right over they were doing it. I want to say, 2202 02:19:26.479 --> 02:19:30.399 I don't know if it's a Dragon Age two were Dragon Age one, but 2203 02:19:30.520 --> 02:19:35.280 yeah they were there were byour developers caught going in and spamming in the opposite 2204 02:19:35.360 --> 02:19:39.360 direction. So that is that is definitely that is definitely happening on both sides 2205 02:19:39.399 --> 02:19:41.959 I'm not a perfect system. No, and that would ultimately probably be the 2206 02:19:43.040 --> 02:19:46.079 massive critique of Metacritic is that it's not a perfect system. But hey, 2207 02:19:46.159 --> 02:19:58.239 Will Smith, Well Smith's sleepy making the hodd Well Smith Smith Well Smith Smith. 2208 02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:05.639 You look terrible, you get that's so goddamn but your tales of glory? 2209 02:20:05.959 --> 02:20:09.159 Do you know what shit I am too old for? Is it? 2210 02:20:09.239 --> 02:20:11.559 Staying up till three thirty in the morning, play until three thirty in the 2211 02:20:11.600 --> 02:20:16.559 morning to play fucking Gears of War's worth it, totally worth so worth it. 2212 02:20:16.799 --> 02:20:18.719 We're taking that, Okay, are you leaving? No? Still, 2213 02:20:18.799 --> 02:20:24.399 we're upgrading our sight. You look all fantastic, look really bad. He 2214 02:20:24.520 --> 02:20:30.000 was chugging red he was He was checking red Bull earlier because he said he 2215 02:20:30.000 --> 02:20:31.879 couldn't drink any more coffee. He's been through war, man, he's through 2216 02:20:31.920 --> 02:20:41.159 fifty. He's seeing stuff you don't even want to know about in and the 2217 02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:46.760 brumack flinched. That's true, man, all right? By Will Smith, 2218 02:20:46.280 --> 02:20:52.120 Ladies and gentlemen, Will Smith Patrick. What else is newsworthy? Yeah? 2219 02:20:52.680 --> 02:20:56.360 Yeah, it's about what I saw. It's about what I saw. But 2220 02:20:56.399 --> 02:21:00.399 does the notch stuff is weird? Oh? The scrolls stuff are going to 2221 02:21:00.479 --> 02:21:05.959 court. Yeah, uh yeahsta is taking mojaying as I say that company's games 2222 02:21:05.520 --> 02:21:09.520 to court over their new new post Minecraft games, Scrolls. But I guess, 2223 02:21:09.600 --> 02:21:13.040 like I thought this was a joke. No, uh what the joke 2224 02:21:13.280 --> 02:21:18.760 was not saying we will challenge you to a game of Quake three death match 2225 02:21:18.879 --> 02:21:22.120 Quake death Match to settle this. If you guys win, then we'll rename 2226 02:21:22.120 --> 02:21:24.799 our game. But they got served the papers saying well, no, we're 2227 02:21:24.799 --> 02:21:26.879 just we're gonna go straight up go to court. And I guess you know 2228 02:21:26.920 --> 02:21:30.239 they were actually they were listing out some of the things that does lawyers were 2229 02:21:30.280 --> 02:21:37.479 siting, including that in Scrolls trailer there are mountains and in the elder Scrolls 2230 02:21:37.600 --> 02:21:43.079 trailer there are mountains. That's true, So that's that's that seems like copyright 2231 02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:48.600 infringement. People will get confused two games of Scrolls in the title and mountains 2232 02:21:48.639 --> 02:21:54.479 and their trailers. Like they're citing YouTube comments as and you've seen YouTube comments 2233 02:21:54.559 --> 02:21:58.440 everyone talking about slippery slope. Yeah yeah, I mean the thing is like, 2234 02:22:00.040 --> 02:22:01.760 feel like they really talked about going after the little guy right, like 2235 02:22:01.959 --> 02:22:07.159 really, Well, but that's did as a company has not made any public 2236 02:22:07.239 --> 02:22:09.479 statement on this because I don't see how any way they don't come out looking 2237 02:22:09.520 --> 02:22:15.520 like yeah, yeah, but people who make Minecraft are no longer the little 2238 02:22:15.520 --> 02:22:20.239 guy. But but it's still small. I mean it's a stretch that I 2239 02:22:20.360 --> 02:22:26.799 think the argues got some money. Oh, certainly they have more money than 2240 02:22:26.799 --> 02:22:28.399 the rock himers behind them, right, he's I think he's on the board. 2241 02:22:28.799 --> 02:22:35.600 Plus, like along with the kel Rippon Junior, like marketplace confusion for 2242 02:22:35.840 --> 02:22:39.000 for Elder Scrolls, Like people call that game Skyrim. Yeah, I feel 2243 02:22:39.000 --> 02:22:46.479 like calling you calling your game Elder Scrolls where it is four Skyrim is your 2244 02:22:46.520 --> 02:22:50.680 own marketplace confusion. Just drop that called Skyrim and yeah, you're right, 2245 02:22:50.799 --> 02:22:54.159 let's scroll. I mean people, people, people have gone to the extent 2246 02:22:54.239 --> 02:22:56.000 of like calling this the new Oblivion. You know, like Oblivion almost became 2247 02:22:56.079 --> 02:23:00.360 the brand. That's right, Oblivion calling skyrimh well, it's like modern fair. 2248 02:23:00.479 --> 02:23:03.479 Yeah. It's like the tagline or the subhead becomes the name of the 2249 02:23:03.559 --> 02:23:09.520 game as opposed to the franchise overhead. I mean, great, they've got, 2250 02:23:09.559 --> 02:23:11.040 you know, fifteen years of naming convention behind this. They don't want 2251 02:23:11.040 --> 02:23:13.479 to lose the legacy. No, but I think, like you said, 2252 02:23:13.479 --> 02:23:18.239 I feel like Oblivion carries more weight than the Elder Scrolls in terms of branding. 2253 02:23:18.280 --> 02:23:20.559 I bet it totally doesn't mean I'm not trying to dismiss You're right, 2254 02:23:20.600 --> 02:23:22.360 I'm not trying to dismiss it, but it just seems like a really frivolous 2255 02:23:22.360 --> 02:23:26.680 loss. Yeah, kind of. I don't know Skyrom's gonna sell the jillion 2256 02:23:26.760 --> 02:23:30.159 copies either way. I mean scrolls. I mean, I don't know. 2257 02:23:30.319 --> 02:23:31.200 I don't know. If I'm no lawyer, it's a weird one. I'm 2258 02:23:31.200 --> 02:23:33.879 not a doctor nor a lawyer, so I can't come on this at all. 2259 02:23:37.440 --> 02:23:41.600 It's just it's one of those those like copyright e Yeah, because I 2260 02:23:41.719 --> 02:23:46.920 call him the game the Elder Scroll, I mean scrolls. I mean, 2261 02:23:46.959 --> 02:23:50.399 that's the Notch's argument is that it is like you copy. You can't take 2262 02:23:50.520 --> 02:23:54.559 make claim over one name, like one word one, the verb ones and 2263 02:23:54.639 --> 02:23:56.840 down? What is a plural now? And even I mean, you can't 2264 02:23:56.840 --> 02:24:01.479 have a mouth that scrolls. That's copied right in fringe, This page is 2265 02:24:01.520 --> 02:24:03.879 web page scroll. Maybe it's an issue of modifiers. Maybe by calling yourself 2266 02:24:05.000 --> 02:24:07.559 your thing the scrolls, And then it's like, well, then the Elder 2267 02:24:07.600 --> 02:24:09.799 Scrolls are clearly just derivative. This is just the older versions of the thing 2268 02:24:09.840 --> 02:24:16.840 that the scroll. I think it's scrolls, the scrolls. I could see 2269 02:24:16.879 --> 02:24:20.200 maybe an argument it's not even scrolls, it's scrolls. All right, now 2270 02:24:20.360 --> 02:24:30.319 I have now the word scrolls doesn't mean anything anymore, sad scroll scroll scroll 2271 02:24:31.760 --> 02:24:39.159 talk about rolls, scrawls, scrolls quae groll. Now we're just now, 2272 02:24:39.200 --> 02:24:43.200 we're just now we're getting sued scrolls. Well, Smith's coming back with scrolls. 2273 02:24:43.559 --> 02:24:48.000 I can't even say it right anymore. Well Smith has a blue envelope 2274 02:24:48.040 --> 02:24:54.280 in his hands, scrolls scroll DC No, no, not Will Smith has 2275 02:24:54.280 --> 02:24:58.879 a bagge of blue meth? What not the not the aliens from Marvel Comics, 2276 02:25:00.040 --> 02:25:05.760 not the scroll scrolls, not the scrolls. These are the ancient scrolls 2277 02:25:05.959 --> 02:25:11.799 of legends told in the scrolls, the scroll scrolls. What what is Kroll 2278 02:25:11.879 --> 02:25:16.760 doing fights the scrolls for the scrolls. We're all being seed by so many 2279 02:25:16.760 --> 02:25:22.000 people right now. Bring it on as sue me out of existence. He 2280 02:25:22.079 --> 02:25:26.040 should just change me the favor. He should just he should just name change 2281 02:25:26.040 --> 02:25:30.959 it to something completely like not scrolls. We've change that's the new name of 2282 02:25:31.000 --> 02:25:35.680 my game is all scray. I've changed it to sky rim two words. 2283 02:25:39.319 --> 02:25:41.920 What it's sky and Oblivion scrolls. That's the new name of my game. 2284 02:25:43.799 --> 02:25:52.360 Fuck you come at me. He just drops the mic and the moro of 2285 02:25:52.799 --> 02:26:00.680 wind, the Oblivion Arena, mass effect everybody, the rage of Mora Wind 2286 02:26:03.559 --> 02:26:09.159 Doom eight the new name of my game. Do you want to know the 2287 02:26:09.200 --> 02:26:18.040 fallout from that? Pac Man two ZeniMax, Yeah, there you go. 2288 02:26:18.239 --> 02:26:24.239 It's calling it ZeniMax maximum Zennis. That's right, I'm suing you class action. 2289 02:26:24.120 --> 02:26:28.479 I can't because I signed this user agreement that says I can't. They 2290 02:26:28.479 --> 02:26:31.520 added that to the origin. That's gonna happen to everything now because there was 2291 02:26:31.879 --> 02:26:35.719 a there was any Sony finally came out and said there was a there's a 2292 02:26:35.879 --> 02:26:39.719 Supreme Court decision back in April with between AT and T where they wanted to 2293 02:26:39.760 --> 02:26:50.079 put in no collective lawsuits in employee contracts so employees couldn't collectively suel Have you 2294 02:26:50.200 --> 02:26:52.040 have you kept up with Supreme Court the last couple es? Yeah, well 2295 02:26:52.079 --> 02:26:56.000 how long? Because if the last couple of years and stripping away rights. 2296 02:26:56.680 --> 02:27:01.360 But I don't want to get into a political discussion, but uh yeah, 2297 02:27:01.440 --> 02:27:05.600 So they made that decision and then that now companies are slowly. I guess 2298 02:27:05.639 --> 02:27:09.000 Sony didn't have to put in the opt out clause. They did that as 2299 02:27:09.000 --> 02:27:11.680 a way of kind of like covering their tracks. And that's still just like 2300 02:27:11.799 --> 02:27:16.239 write them a handwritten letter and hope that they keep that on file somewhere. 2301 02:27:16.280 --> 02:27:20.319 Well, yeah, like there's reason to believe that even though its Supreme Court 2302 02:27:20.399 --> 02:27:24.840 ruled this that it wouldn't be legally enforceable if there was actual an actually less 2303 02:27:24.200 --> 02:27:28.120 now, it's more it's more of a way of just scaring people off from 2304 02:27:28.280 --> 02:27:31.360 taking any sort of collective action. Well, with that present precedent, does 2305 02:27:31.399 --> 02:27:35.000 a team that maybe they could enforce that, Yes, or at least we'd 2306 02:27:35.000 --> 02:27:39.079 spook people into thinking that they shouldn't try. So now it's an EA stuff 2307 02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:43.959 I would imagine most user license agreements will have. How is that that seems 2308 02:27:43.079 --> 02:27:50.360 crazy? Yeah? Yeah, I guess would bother not even still shooting the 2309 02:27:50.440 --> 02:27:54.000 politics of it? Is that the thing they bothering with After I ran that 2310 02:27:54.079 --> 02:27:56.959 story and like made that template for people to send into Sony. Yeah, 2311 02:27:56.680 --> 02:28:01.280 the amount of yeah, I've probably implicated myself in a lawsuit by creating a 2312 02:28:01.360 --> 02:28:03.760 template. It was more that just like it bothers me that so many people 2313 02:28:03.959 --> 02:28:07.840 were actively whether or not you agree with whether you should have that right or 2314 02:28:07.879 --> 02:28:11.680 not. We're just like, it's okay if they're taking away my rights, 2315 02:28:11.719 --> 02:28:15.200 I don't I don't care, just showed up and play the game. Yeah, 2316 02:28:15.319 --> 02:28:18.159 be a good consumer was the line that really bothered tort reform, Start 2317 02:28:18.719 --> 02:28:24.200 dot Com, Giant tort Reform, Giant tort Reform, broad and waste dot 2318 02:28:24.239 --> 02:28:28.280 com. They're well, they're as kind of a disturbing indifference there. Yeah. 2319 02:28:30.760 --> 02:28:33.399 Yeah, you should not be okay with losing your rights to things, 2320 02:28:33.760 --> 02:28:37.639 regardless of how you fall on the whether that it should be or shouldn't be 2321 02:28:37.680 --> 02:28:41.680 there, it's that that is a you should. Being a good consumer is 2322 02:28:41.680 --> 02:28:46.479 also holding companies accountable. So if you agree to that, you have like 2323 02:28:46.520 --> 02:28:50.280 two weeks left to send in your letter. So what if I haven't agreed 2324 02:28:50.319 --> 02:28:52.719 to it, do you even agree to it? Then your thirty days hasn't 2325 02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:54.639 started, Okay, So once you agree to it, then your thirty days 2326 02:28:54.719 --> 02:28:58.600 you're gonna have to take dar souls online sometime. It can take it online, 2327 02:28:58.600 --> 02:29:01.920 so I gotta take it all. Don't match it though, right? 2328 02:29:01.000 --> 02:29:03.920 Did you send it? Yes? I don't know. No, I need 2329 02:29:03.959 --> 02:29:07.639 to send my name, so you printed it. I haven't sent it in 2330 02:29:07.920 --> 02:29:11.479 Yeah, I just I have a feeling that it's just going to be like 2331 02:29:13.079 --> 02:29:16.559 or whatever, really gonna keep my my letter somewhere on somebody's It's gonna go 2332 02:29:16.600 --> 02:29:20.120 into somebody's filing. Do you know, you do what you can. I'm 2333 02:29:20.159 --> 02:29:22.840 also going to put a note in there, and it's like you guys rock 2334 02:29:24.040 --> 02:29:28.600 pyes, yes, you guys, Rocks, a picture of my socks. 2335 02:29:28.159 --> 02:29:35.559 Tell what you think? Yeah, you know, rock. Even even so 2336 02:29:35.639 --> 02:29:37.440 the in the off chance that they are keeping all of these on a file, 2337 02:29:37.600 --> 02:29:41.120 you know that it's so folder within Sony HQ. There's a picture of 2338 02:29:41.159 --> 02:29:43.959 your socks. I hope. So that's what I'm hoping. What is this 2339 02:29:45.079 --> 02:29:48.440 picture? I don't know. So everyone is sending in those emails to Sony, 2340 02:29:48.520 --> 02:29:50.600 be sure and included polaroid of your socks. Try and find a PARI 2341 02:29:50.719 --> 02:29:54.319 good luck, my friend, good yeah, or a picture whatever straw one. 2342 02:29:54.840 --> 02:29:58.040 Yeah, our surrendering of your socks. That works too. That's legally 2343 02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:03.559 binding, legally binding. You have to you have to bring to bring those 2344 02:30:03.600 --> 02:30:07.920 socks. I don't know what we're talking about. It this is y'all. 2345 02:30:09.079 --> 02:30:11.799 Let us. Uh see those socks, those are much true. All right, 2346 02:30:11.920 --> 02:30:18.159 Sony, Sony, you had some balls bringing this in here. Frivolous 2347 02:30:18.239 --> 02:30:26.239 loss, frivolous man with the argyles, socks, the truth overall. What 2348 02:30:26.399 --> 02:30:31.120 court is this, I don't know, but he's but the But the judge 2349 02:30:31.200 --> 02:30:35.959 is wearing one of those fancy wigs. Clearly in this court it's barristers. 2350 02:30:35.040 --> 02:30:41.399 It's a great man. American loss sucks. He lost so much crazy yea, 2351 02:30:41.479 --> 02:30:43.120 but some more theater. It's some good old school ship in there, 2352 02:30:43.200 --> 02:30:48.440 like their parliament, or it's just at each other, man. Politicians are 2353 02:30:48.440 --> 02:30:52.120 pussies compared to those guys. Yeah, or you screamed at every week, 2354 02:30:52.479 --> 02:30:54.680 yeah, by each other sometimes. Or you go to like Asia where there's 2355 02:30:54.760 --> 02:30:58.760 like weird coups and people are beating each other with copies of their man, 2356 02:31:01.239 --> 02:31:03.680 you know, like in life the parliament house on the streets, like the 2357 02:31:05.159 --> 02:31:09.399 politicians. It's intense that goes a little far. Even even when I watched 2358 02:31:09.399 --> 02:31:11.120 the stuff from like Parliament, where it's just like I wonder if I was 2359 02:31:11.159 --> 02:31:15.680 actually invested and knew this, would I be like, oh man, this 2360 02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:20.959 is tough to watch, Like like I kind of this is all to stop 2361 02:31:20.120 --> 02:31:28.079 just because I'm just saying. As far as our politicians being pussies, I 2362 02:31:28.120 --> 02:31:31.879 could imagine literally any of them taking a book to the face. Because but 2363 02:31:33.040 --> 02:31:35.200 like even when you watch something like you watch the President giving a speech and 2364 02:31:35.239 --> 02:31:39.799 then somebody in the audience remember that it was like boot liar, and you're 2365 02:31:39.840 --> 02:31:43.639 like, what are you doing? Like that's nothing compared to England. I 2366 02:31:43.680 --> 02:31:48.440 think it depends what when you're just like how you feel about the socks at 2367 02:31:48.440 --> 02:31:52.799 the Prime Minister? Throw a picture of us? I know who are we 2368 02:31:52.879 --> 02:31:56.079 got? Picture Sony? Open up that file. He's in bed with Sony. 2369 02:31:58.319 --> 02:32:03.079 Big business. Any more news, no new releases? Nah? Really? 2370 02:32:03.159 --> 02:32:05.799 Really? What about I take some stabs here? The binding of Isaac, 2371 02:32:07.000 --> 02:32:11.399 finding of Isaac x men destiny. Uh. Tetris Party, which is 2372 02:32:11.479 --> 02:32:16.600 tris no no in us your party? Okay, that's different than Tuchris No. 2373 02:32:16.680 --> 02:32:20.920 What's the same thing? What are you talking about? You say the 2374 02:32:22.000 --> 02:32:24.879 game that we that showed up, you know, to our office with the 2375 02:32:24.959 --> 02:32:28.600 box that said Tetris Party. It's sitting on Jeff's desk. It's Tetris Access. 2376 02:32:28.639 --> 02:32:33.879 It say Tetris Access. Okay. I want to say I thought that 2377 02:32:33.959 --> 02:32:37.280 that had been that it had been Oh no, you were just saying it 2378 02:32:37.399 --> 02:32:41.000 was a Tetris party. There Tetris on on Monday when this when the game 2379 02:32:41.079 --> 02:32:43.280 showed up at our office, you opened the box, and I think you 2380 02:32:43.360 --> 02:32:46.040 may have just said it's a Tetris party. I thought that you were saying, 2381 02:32:46.159 --> 02:32:48.159 oh shit. In the US, they have renamed this from Tetris Access, 2382 02:32:48.280 --> 02:32:52.159 which actually something fu I should in. I love mondays this is access. 2383 02:32:52.239 --> 02:32:54.719 I'll take that deeper. Is that so I loaded that up for five 2384 02:32:54.760 --> 02:33:01.600 minutes? Yeah, there are Tetris Party mini games in the game. Okay, 2385 02:33:01.079 --> 02:33:05.079 so it is true on multiple levels of being Tetris party, but then 2386 02:33:05.200 --> 02:33:11.520 also Tetris Party. Then okay, so everything is true. Yes, nothing 2387 02:33:11.639 --> 02:33:18.079 is forbidden, nothing is true. Everything is permitted. That no, not 2388 02:33:18.239 --> 02:33:20.319 not when it comes to Tetris. Oh, trust me. When it comes 2389 02:33:20.360 --> 02:33:24.440 to Tetris, anything goes. Every since they changed that one would lets you 2390 02:33:24.479 --> 02:33:28.639 flip those goddamn pieces. Everything goes. Everybody put your tetrominos in this bowl 2391 02:33:28.719 --> 02:33:35.319 when you show up to the party. Tetrominos or tetrominos, don't. I 2392 02:33:35.319 --> 02:33:41.159 don't like tetrontamo. I don't like that word. Oh no, mister Tetronamo, 2393 02:33:41.719 --> 02:33:48.600 every Tetronto, every permutation of four blocks. Apparently, I didn't know 2394 02:33:48.840 --> 02:33:54.120 that until we did. Definitely did a quick look. I want to see 2395 02:33:54.159 --> 02:33:56.360 it. I want to see what tetris I mean Tetris got a Tetris games? 2396 02:33:56.520 --> 02:34:01.120 Yeah, that stuff sounds crazed and bring him. I don't know if 2397 02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:03.559 we have one of those cards. It doesn't come with on No, I 2398 02:34:03.639 --> 02:34:07.600 made the one that came with the three DS. I don't know. I 2399 02:34:07.639 --> 02:34:11.159 know where mine are. Print them out? Oh yeah, you can just 2400 02:34:11.239 --> 02:34:13.399 print it out. Yeah, all right, you print it out. Yeah, 2401 02:34:13.399 --> 02:34:15.159 I'm looking forward to check that out. Jefinite. I tried to print 2402 02:34:15.200 --> 02:34:18.079 them out. They also, if you're part of Club Nintendo, you can 2403 02:34:18.200 --> 02:34:22.520 spend a bunch of points to get a giant sized AR card. It's big, 2404 02:34:22.639 --> 02:34:26.520 human size card. Why would you do that? Weren't really big? 2405 02:34:26.719 --> 02:34:31.520 Guys? How do you fit the whole thing on screen? Don't have to 2406 02:34:31.520 --> 02:34:33.840 pull it back until it's small again? Yeah, but then like in the 2407 02:34:33.920 --> 02:34:37.360 scale of the room, it's huge, like life size, like somebody could 2408 02:34:37.360 --> 02:34:41.040 stand next to them, take a picture next to link. Yeah, you'd 2409 02:34:41.040 --> 02:34:43.959 think they could do that in software somehow. What he's not really in the 2410 02:34:45.079 --> 02:34:46.959 card, is he? No, but you have to like but it's it's 2411 02:34:48.000 --> 02:34:50.280 scales to the size of the car. They just like say do it five 2412 02:34:50.399 --> 02:34:54.639 times, or they could just give you a bigger card. So what's the 2413 02:34:54.680 --> 02:34:58.600 easier solution is do it in software or print a fucking bigger card. Actually, 2414 02:34:58.680 --> 02:35:01.639 don't know. It's a great question. It seems like a really dumb 2415 02:35:01.719 --> 02:35:05.319 solution, Like let's just make bigger discs and we'll call them laser discs. 2416 02:35:05.520 --> 02:35:09.159 How much how much do people you know use their AR stuff? Really? 2417 02:35:09.239 --> 02:35:11.879 I don't know. Well, I lost my cards, so you would need 2418 02:35:11.920 --> 02:35:16.520 to be you would need to be a crazy club Nintendo fan to think, 2419 02:35:16.600 --> 02:35:18.639 Hey, a really big AR card. That's what I want to spend my 2420 02:35:18.760 --> 02:35:24.159 bonus points. We should play those the tetris AAR games with the giant AR 2421 02:35:24.280 --> 02:35:30.600 card. Yeah, there's that stuff. There's uh, we talked about some 2422 02:35:30.719 --> 02:35:35.159 other shit. You said, Binding of Isaac already stuff's coming out, not 2423 02:35:35.280 --> 02:35:37.920 this week, next week, stops come next week. Dark Souls and Rage 2424 02:35:37.959 --> 02:35:43.079 are both out. Yeah, that'll be cool. Want to say that game 2425 02:35:43.120 --> 02:35:46.840 it's Rage about some emails Sky. Yeah, remember this, that's that's the 2426 02:35:46.959 --> 02:35:52.280 ends. That is when my life comes to a screeching hot. That is 2427 02:35:52.799 --> 02:35:54.559 a cod So I mapped it out. I looked at UH. I spent 2428 02:35:54.760 --> 02:35:58.959 some time yesterday trying to figure out where we're at with this fourth quarter rush 2429 02:36:00.000 --> 02:36:03.280 and what we need to get in here and stuff. And they've they've spread 2430 02:36:03.319 --> 02:36:09.079 the big games out pretty evenly through this games have gotten delayed enough enough stuff 2431 02:36:09.079 --> 02:36:13.280 got delayed that it's like up until the Mass Effect, Yeah, up until 2432 02:36:13.319 --> 02:36:16.520 that last week before Thanksgiving, it's pretty much one big game that matters a 2433 02:36:16.559 --> 02:36:20.239 week, and that's it. It's uh ex up next week. Next week 2434 02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:22.399 is Rage and Dark Souls As are both pretty big. The week after that 2435 02:36:22.959 --> 02:36:28.319 is no The week after that's a little dry. The biggest thing I saw 2436 02:36:28.520 --> 02:36:31.879 was Dead Rising two off the record, we gotter that's Batman. Week after 2437 02:36:33.000 --> 02:36:37.079 that is Battlefield three. Week after that is Uncharted. Three after that is 2438 02:36:37.120 --> 02:36:46.040 Modern Warfare, and then I think the week after that is the Rush, 2439 02:36:46.079 --> 02:36:50.479 Super Mario three D lands Assassins Creed, and I think one other thing. 2440 02:36:50.719 --> 02:36:54.319 I'm sure, I'm sure there's something somebody's there's there's other stuff here and there, 2441 02:36:54.440 --> 02:37:00.520 like the Mario KR just coming out and stuff in terms of like the 2442 02:37:00.600 --> 02:37:03.840 big like time sink. Those are your big, multimillion dollars blockbuster games. 2443 02:37:05.799 --> 02:37:07.479 I don't have enough money for this. That's nope, that's the rest of 2444 02:37:07.520 --> 02:37:13.639 your game of the year deliberation right there. Probably I don't know already behind 2445 02:37:13.799 --> 02:37:16.520 throwing a couple of dark Horse candidates here and there, but dark Horse, 2446 02:37:16.479 --> 02:37:20.239 uh yeah, and ditches the stuff we mentioned for this week. There's also 2447 02:37:20.319 --> 02:37:26.639 the Code Veronica X for PlayStation Network and Xbox Lab Arcade. Uh and the 2448 02:37:26.840 --> 02:37:31.280 HD collection of splinter Cell is out on p S three this week. I 2449 02:37:31.360 --> 02:37:37.159 believe that it is just the first three splinter Cell games upraised for current consoles, 2450 02:37:37.319 --> 02:37:41.879 like the Prince of Persia stuff, it's the PC versions. I wouldn't 2451 02:37:41.879 --> 02:37:45.079 be surprised if it's like Differnce of Persia stuff, which oh that's also the 2452 02:37:45.360 --> 02:37:48.760 Echo and Shadow of Classus is out this week already. We already kind of 2453 02:37:48.760 --> 02:37:52.079 covered the hell out of that. Uh, go go get that, I 2454 02:37:52.120 --> 02:37:54.639 guess. Also, I'm sorry, I was gonna say, I was just 2455 02:37:54.639 --> 02:37:58.959 gonna talk about spending money on video games when I look at my budget and 2456 02:37:58.079 --> 02:38:03.920 then I have to literally have to readjust my budget when it comes time like 2457 02:38:03.079 --> 02:38:09.959 November about how much money I spend. It's ridiculous, takes sh well, 2458 02:38:11.079 --> 02:38:13.680 No, I just do it myself. And I'm like, I suddenly I 2459 02:38:13.799 --> 02:38:16.200 get to that point where like, how am I overdressed? Oh? Like 2460 02:38:16.520 --> 02:38:22.719 I just bought like five games on sixty bucks up pop five games once you 2461 02:38:22.760 --> 02:38:26.319 can't play all of those. It's it's a disease, man. But there's 2462 02:38:26.319 --> 02:38:30.799 no reason to that's true. Contrary to popular belief, there's not. There's 2463 02:38:30.920 --> 02:38:33.200 not a big box that comes and then free games for everybody. There are 2464 02:38:33.280 --> 02:38:37.719 still game purchases going on. Oh yeah uh, and too much money is 2465 02:38:37.760 --> 02:38:43.600 being spent on games constantly in this office. For as much stuff that comes 2466 02:38:43.639 --> 02:38:46.719 in for free, there are still volumes of which that everyone needs to go 2467 02:38:46.799 --> 02:38:54.280 pony up for. So damn you Steam that I already bought Rage, I 2468 02:38:54.319 --> 02:38:58.120 should go buy Skyrim. Those are those are not pre order musts for me, 2469 02:38:58.520 --> 02:39:03.799 but they Steam Steam does. It's just like Batman and Uncharted are the 2470 02:39:03.879 --> 02:39:05.799 only I went through. I did my list, and I'm like, those 2471 02:39:05.840 --> 02:39:07.879 are the only two that I know absolutely, like day one, I'm gonna 2472 02:39:07.920 --> 02:39:13.680 want to play like like Rage and sky Rim and Zelda and all these others. 2473 02:39:13.719 --> 02:39:16.479 You know, Battlefield Modern Warfare even I'm like, you know, I 2474 02:39:16.559 --> 02:39:18.479 could see a time where I will will maybe want to check this out, 2475 02:39:18.520 --> 02:39:20.799 but I kind of want other people to take the run at at first. 2476 02:39:20.920 --> 02:39:26.719 Have zero interests in Battlefield. I'm totally checked out on those games. I'm 2477 02:39:26.760 --> 02:39:28.319 curious, but again, I want to I want and it's not for the 2478 02:39:28.399 --> 02:39:33.079 multiplayers, so it'll it'll rest on the strength of whatever single player experiences those 2479 02:39:33.120 --> 02:39:37.000 games offer, because I'm not good enough. Uh I want to run right 2480 02:39:37.040 --> 02:39:41.639 into Skyrim, and I know I'll be reviewing Assassin's Creed, so I'm not 2481 02:39:41.680 --> 02:39:45.120 worried about that. I'm like, I'll play that for review purposes and that'll 2482 02:39:45.159 --> 02:39:50.479 be that. Uh see, I'm just not sure. I just don't know. 2483 02:39:50.799 --> 02:39:52.600 Like I've seen everything. I've seen the sky and I'm like, yeah, 2484 02:39:52.600 --> 02:39:54.399 that kind of looks looks like a better version of Oblivion. But whenever 2485 02:39:54.440 --> 02:39:58.959 I talk to anyone about like is it still like kind of like walk up 2486 02:39:58.959 --> 02:40:01.399 to dude and like shuffling your sword around a bit, and then like, 2487 02:40:01.159 --> 02:40:05.399 dude, and they're like, yeah, I guess ours of shitty Fallout combat 2488 02:40:05.440 --> 02:40:09.559 we played, Yeah, But I just I just you know, I want, 2489 02:40:09.600 --> 02:40:15.319 I want Dead Island combat in Skyron put the melee combat from Dead Island 2490 02:40:15.360 --> 02:40:20.799 in the sky Streams control game of the Year, I think. I also, 2491 02:40:20.799 --> 02:40:22.360 I just I pit boyd my way through all of the combat and fall 2492 02:40:22.399 --> 02:40:24.920 out and by the time yeah, yeah, I've added my way through all 2493 02:40:24.920 --> 02:40:28.600 that. By the time I got to New Vegas, I had like eight 2494 02:40:28.680 --> 02:40:31.760 companions, each of which had all the best game weapons in the world. 2495 02:40:31.879 --> 02:40:37.000 So I that game, I barely fought anyone, I think. But Rage, 2496 02:40:37.000 --> 02:40:41.200 I think Rage and Skyron for me are the biggest unknowns sure for those 2497 02:40:41.239 --> 02:40:43.920 games. Age especially, Man, do I not know a goddamn thing about 2498 02:40:43.920 --> 02:40:46.040 that game for as for as long as it's been covered for as many years, 2499 02:40:46.280 --> 02:40:50.360 Yeah, for as many iterations and as like, But they've been so 2500 02:40:50.559 --> 02:40:54.520 piecemealing out the information and like the experienced stuff of like here's a little part 2501 02:40:54.559 --> 02:40:56.920 where you drive around a buggy. He's a little part where you're in this 2502 02:40:56.040 --> 02:41:00.360 cave and an iPad game. I'm like, I don't really know. We're 2503 02:41:00.719 --> 02:41:03.959 like, you can't when you have it that isolated, when you're just kind 2504 02:41:03.959 --> 02:41:07.120 of cutting off the parts and showing them to you piecemeal, you can't get 2505 02:41:07.120 --> 02:41:11.360 any sort of sense of like what what is this overall package? What does 2506 02:41:11.399 --> 02:41:15.000 this actually mean? Mega textures? You say that, but I still don't 2507 02:41:15.000 --> 02:41:18.280 know what that means mega. I mean, wait, but you were gonna 2508 02:41:18.280 --> 02:41:22.000 say something about really big release stuff. And there's another game that's out which 2509 02:41:22.040 --> 02:41:24.840 this week is that Rochard game is out on PlayStation. I was like, 2510 02:41:24.840 --> 02:41:28.319 come on, this week, fantastic. That game is the pretty cool it's 2511 02:41:28.399 --> 02:41:35.000 neat little puzzle platformer. Mmhm uh yeah, Sky alright, Skyrom I'm with 2512 02:41:35.120 --> 02:41:39.120 you. Even though I didn't really like Oblivion, I didn't play it. 2513 02:41:39.520 --> 02:41:45.159 I'm just hold on. He didn't play Oblivion and you're still super so I 2514 02:41:45.159 --> 02:41:50.159 don't like Fantasy all right? No no no, no no no no no 2515 02:41:50.239 --> 02:41:52.760 no no no. We've been here for four I think he might be confused 2516 02:41:52.799 --> 02:41:58.120 with scrolls. See brand confusion coming to bite him in the ass again. 2517 02:41:58.440 --> 02:42:03.959 Bomb cat a giant bomb dot com is the email address Nick in Detroit, 2518 02:42:03.200 --> 02:42:09.360 Michigan rides in. Hey guys, just completed Gears of War three over the 2519 02:42:09.399 --> 02:42:13.079 weekend and was wondering what happened to the krill in Gears of War. Remember 2520 02:42:13.159 --> 02:42:16.000 in the original the bats that killed you when you were in the dark and 2521 02:42:16.120 --> 02:42:20.120 you had to use light to get around and kill them. Maybe it was 2522 02:42:20.159 --> 02:42:22.719 explained somewhere else in the fiction, but it seems odd that they have never 2523 02:42:22.200 --> 02:42:24.799 been seen since. I was wondering if you had, guys knew what was 2524 02:42:24.920 --> 02:42:28.440 up love the website and the podcast. Is that the gaping hole of you 2525 02:42:28.479 --> 02:42:35.159 guys were talking about the story of the krill. Don't don't It doesn't get 2526 02:42:35.239 --> 02:42:39.040 dark anymore, right, it's very bright and gears a war three. Yeah, 2527 02:42:39.079 --> 02:42:41.280 that's true. Actually it is, you know, I don't know, 2528 02:42:41.399 --> 02:42:45.000 but something that may have been explained in fiction elsewhere. But I was just 2529 02:42:45.040 --> 02:42:48.559 wondering if not, if they get if that gets touched on. No, 2530 02:42:48.959 --> 02:42:52.319 there aren't bats everywhere in the United States. Sometimes you're in the cave and 2531 02:42:52.360 --> 02:42:58.520 they got bats. Sometimes you're not. That's airtight. Just stepped to me 2532 02:43:00.079 --> 02:43:13.319 right. Sometimes you eat the burmac oh, let's see here decks in Mississippi. 2533 02:43:13.479 --> 02:43:16.280 Hey, bomb casters. I know there's a study out there that states 2534 02:43:16.280 --> 02:43:20.319 that the average gamer is in his or her early to mid thirties. Even 2535 02:43:20.399 --> 02:43:22.879 with that being the case, a huge portion of the user base consists of 2536 02:43:22.959 --> 02:43:26.440 kids and teenagers. Most of the time, when people, journalists or dev's 2537 02:43:26.000 --> 02:43:30.280 talk about gamers, it seems as if they're referring to a homogeneous group instead 2538 02:43:30.280 --> 02:43:33.479 of the disparate group we are, especially when it comes to age. I'm 2539 02:43:33.479 --> 02:43:35.760 twenty nine with a decent job, which means I have the income to buy 2540 02:43:35.840 --> 02:43:37.879 games when I want to have significantly less time to play them. When I 2541 02:43:37.959 --> 02:43:41.799 was fifteen, I couldn't buy all the games I wanted, but had more 2542 02:43:41.840 --> 02:43:43.840 free time to play the ones that I had. Even you, guys whose 2543 02:43:43.920 --> 02:43:46.280 job it is to play and right about games, don't have enough time to 2544 02:43:46.360 --> 02:43:50.639 play everything you want. Do you think developers consider that their consumer group is 2545 02:43:50.799 --> 02:43:56.360 split by resource slash time during development? Could take this into consideration have any 2546 02:43:56.399 --> 02:44:03.920 significant impact on the final product? Love the podcast Decks from Mississippi Thoughts guaranteed 2547 02:44:05.639 --> 02:44:09.200 you think they are absolutely thinking about That's absolutely no question in my mind, 2548 02:44:09.719 --> 02:44:13.000 because it definitely seems like there is that split of games that are either about 2549 02:44:13.040 --> 02:44:16.520 like you know, I mean, I guess that's why you see these single 2550 02:44:16.559 --> 02:44:18.840 player multiplayer and something like years three, or it's like, okay, a 2551 02:44:18.879 --> 02:44:22.879 single player polished experience over in like six hours, something you can do over 2552 02:44:22.959 --> 02:44:26.040 a weekend or you know, in a sitting or two. So if you 2553 02:44:26.120 --> 02:44:28.399 are the time limited gamer, then you can have that experience. But if 2554 02:44:28.440 --> 02:44:31.959 you want to spend the dozens and dozens of hours, you know, however 2555 02:44:33.440 --> 02:44:37.120 long you want getting to be the best at Years three multiplayer, that option 2556 02:44:37.239 --> 02:44:39.239 is there for you as well. But you know you're having a media enough 2557 02:44:39.239 --> 02:44:41.600 experience with the single player that if you don't feel compelled to do that, 2558 02:44:41.719 --> 02:44:45.760 you're not and also feel ripped off. And look at them, look at 2559 02:44:45.799 --> 02:44:50.639 them. Just exploring pricing models now where it ranges from two dollars ninety nine 2560 02:44:50.680 --> 02:44:54.639 cent micro transaction up until collectors editions that cost one hundred and twenty dollars, 2561 02:44:54.920 --> 02:44:58.799 like they are servicing the range of incomes and this is free to play. 2562 02:45:00.040 --> 02:45:01.280 You can get if you don't have a lot of money, you know, 2563 02:45:01.559 --> 02:45:03.840 two dollars whatever, you still get a bunch of time in there. And 2564 02:45:05.559 --> 02:45:09.319 or you have too much money to spend by this giant statue of Marcus Phoenix, 2565 02:45:09.520 --> 02:45:11.879 and we know you really like Years of War even though regardless of how 2566 02:45:11.959 --> 02:45:15.920 much are you're gonna play. I had a really good email, I don't 2567 02:45:15.959 --> 02:45:18.200 I seem to have lost here in the shuffle, someone asking about where the 2568 02:45:18.239 --> 02:45:26.239 money goes for those special editions whether there's whether we've seen anything. I mean, 2569 02:45:26.319 --> 02:45:28.600 why it costs as much as it does. No, No, like 2570 02:45:28.719 --> 02:45:33.440 who gets the profits, like a publisher or yeah, like if there is 2571 02:45:33.559 --> 02:45:39.000 language in a publisher developer deal on this kind of thing where a publisher would 2572 02:45:39.280 --> 02:45:43.760 would say we get x percent of retail and x more percent of these additions, 2573 02:45:43.879 --> 02:45:48.959 or if it's just if it's just across the board for all retail editions. 2574 02:45:48.440 --> 02:45:52.040 Yeah, it probably depends. I mean, someone was basically asking, 2575 02:45:52.120 --> 02:45:54.200 like, I want to I want to make sure the money that I buy 2576 02:45:54.200 --> 02:45:58.920 a special edition it's going to a developer. That's the idea. That's probably 2577 02:45:58.959 --> 02:46:01.840 not true. I wonder if who even comes up with those ideas for those 2578 02:46:01.840 --> 02:46:03.639 skews, if they're like and that's my guess. You know, when you 2579 02:46:03.719 --> 02:46:07.959 sign a contract to do a project four years, five years in advance, 2580 02:46:07.040 --> 02:46:11.440 that's special editions aren't written into that. I mean, there might be there 2581 02:46:11.479 --> 02:46:13.719 might be clauses in there, but the most that royalty payout stuff is based 2582 02:46:13.799 --> 02:46:16.600 on, you know, you sell X number of copies, then you start 2583 02:46:16.680 --> 02:46:20.559 getting bonus and royalty payments. So I mean it's hard to say if that 2584 02:46:20.639 --> 02:46:22.760 stuff kicks in during the launch of a game. You know, you might 2585 02:46:22.840 --> 02:46:28.280 not get those kick those those bonuses kicking in until months later when you hit 2586 02:46:28.360 --> 02:46:30.840 your numbers, and publishers may know, you know, they may have the 2587 02:46:31.079 --> 02:46:33.000 the you know, historical data to back up that. Oh, you know, 2588 02:46:33.079 --> 02:46:37.000 we are going to sell all of our special editions in the you know, 2589 02:46:37.159 --> 02:46:41.479 first month of sales, so if any of our royalty stuff doesn't kick 2590 02:46:41.559 --> 02:46:43.239 in until after that first month, we will reap all of the rewards of 2591 02:46:43.319 --> 02:46:46.799 having these big bulky special editions, and then we can just pay out the 2592 02:46:46.840 --> 02:46:50.280 developers. So's it kind of like an advance. You just have to like 2593 02:46:50.360 --> 02:46:52.920 pay back your advance until you start making money like band, like band contracts. 2594 02:46:54.840 --> 02:46:58.600 I can't say I'm not I'm not totally because they probably could be a 2595 02:46:58.600 --> 02:47:01.879 bunch of you sent us a bunch of game tracks right anonymously. Just send 2596 02:47:01.959 --> 02:47:09.559 us game contract dot pdf. Yeah, we want to know. We want 2597 02:47:09.600 --> 02:47:13.959 to know because otherwise it's it's yeah, I can't really say. I mean, 2598 02:47:13.040 --> 02:47:16.799 you have companies like uh, you know, like ea, you know, 2599 02:47:16.120 --> 02:47:20.520 ditching the idea of doing giant special editions and just calling the first run 2600 02:47:20.600 --> 02:47:24.600 of it a special edition meddle of honor, Like yeah, like Meddle of 2601 02:47:24.639 --> 02:47:28.159 Honor, Like you you got the Battlefield three code last year as long as 2602 02:47:28.200 --> 02:47:31.760 you bought the first run of the game. Turns out basically like every version 2603 02:47:31.799 --> 02:47:35.799 of that game was still the first run even months afterwards. But that's you 2604 02:47:35.879 --> 02:47:41.079 know, they found. I remember seeing a presentation from Dar was one of 2605 02:47:41.079 --> 02:47:45.760 the research groups. We're just changing the title to special Edition. Even if 2606 02:47:45.799 --> 02:47:50.879 nothing specials inside, it increases your pre orders by like a notable, especially 2607 02:47:50.879 --> 02:47:54.520 if you're going away for the same price. Yes. Interesting, like just 2608 02:47:54.840 --> 02:47:58.200 it's just the psychology behind making you're getting something special by calling it special. 2609 02:47:58.319 --> 02:48:01.799 Yeah, it's that easy. Yes. Got another email here from Michael and 2610 02:48:01.879 --> 02:48:07.399 Aberdeen in Scotland. Hey, bomb casters, I just recently bought Enslaved and 2611 02:48:07.639 --> 02:48:11.360 Vanquished for very cheap compared to the full retail amount they went for when new. 2612 02:48:13.000 --> 02:48:16.120 Uh. We also recently in news learned that there will be no Enslaved 2613 02:48:16.159 --> 02:48:18.760 sequel, So hopefully you got all the Enslaved Fanny that you wanted out the 2614 02:48:20.200 --> 02:48:28.559 I didn't want but yeah, the pig pigay uh whatever. Never say never, 2615 02:48:28.639 --> 02:48:33.159 man, they said never never. Never. Email them back and say 2616 02:48:33.200 --> 02:48:37.639 I never say never. Pretty unlikely never. I thought they'd never be another 2617 02:48:37.680 --> 02:48:43.719 beyond Good and Evil. Well so far, Yeah, that's true. Your 2618 02:48:43.760 --> 02:48:48.959 prediction rings true. The Vegas bet continues to go out. Never say never 2619 02:48:50.000 --> 02:48:52.319 A thought of Kurts. What if publishers and retailers came up with a new 2620 02:48:52.479 --> 02:48:56.520 IP price. So these games, along with off the top of my head 2621 02:48:56.600 --> 02:49:00.879 Mandation, Racers of Protocol, Singularity, Mirror's Edge, a Blur, et 2622 02:49:00.920 --> 02:49:03.319 cetera, et cetera, we're all priced lower than the blockbuster titles that people 2623 02:49:03.360 --> 02:49:07.440 will always pay full price for because they are established brands. Maybe, just 2624 02:49:07.520 --> 02:49:11.760 maybe this would sell a few more copies at this lower price than if popular. 2625 02:49:11.079 --> 02:49:16.280 Uh that than if popular. The sequel is automatically established brand with loyal 2626 02:49:16.280 --> 02:49:18.600 supporters, it could be sold at full price instead, as is the case 2627 02:49:20.360 --> 02:49:24.760 at present, dev's chance to the dev's get shut down and the IP dies. 2628 02:49:24.520 --> 02:49:28.399 What do you think coming coming out the gate at ten bucks cheaper? 2629 02:49:28.840 --> 02:49:31.840 No, you don't think that helps. I don't think it would work. 2630 02:49:33.120 --> 02:49:35.079 I have vanquished from game player right now. I'm excited. I don't I 2631 02:49:35.079 --> 02:49:37.879 don't think it's short. Yeah, I don't think ten dollars is enough to 2632 02:49:39.120 --> 02:49:41.479 tip the boat. But it's kind of what need for speed dude? Right 2633 02:49:41.719 --> 02:49:45.559 for for when they when they rebrand Hopper Suit, when they were like immediately 2634 02:49:45.639 --> 02:49:48.399 went on sale for like thirty nine, where wasn't it. Those are retailers 2635 02:49:48.479 --> 02:49:52.760 doing that though, That's not you don't think Amazon. You don't think because 2636 02:49:52.799 --> 02:49:56.840 it was across the board on that's that's Amazon or Walmart will do that too. 2637 02:49:56.079 --> 02:50:01.280 Just they're just trying to bring in customers based on what they think is 2638 02:50:01.280 --> 02:50:05.159 a hot products. Any part of that that's not an EA buying because you'll 2639 02:50:05.159 --> 02:50:09.159 see the developers, you know, like on Twitter like pushing back on like 2640 02:50:09.319 --> 02:50:11.920 oh because the initial response from users is like, oh bomba like you know, 2641 02:50:13.000 --> 02:50:15.959 the game's bomb if it's going to forty and it's first week, and 2642 02:50:16.079 --> 02:50:18.040 then you know that's those are not said that can exist. But that is 2643 02:50:18.079 --> 02:50:22.479 traditionally not how that works. That's just a retailer trying to draw you in, 2644 02:50:22.799 --> 02:50:24.079 thinking, hey, you'll buy this forty dollar Hopper suit, and oh 2645 02:50:24.159 --> 02:50:28.040 you're here, maybe you're gonna buy some other stuff too. I thought I 2646 02:50:28.120 --> 02:50:31.280 thought in that case it was EA putting out that was just like absolutely not. 2647 02:50:31.840 --> 02:50:35.200 In fact, they usually they like that irritates them. Is I would 2648 02:50:35.200 --> 02:50:39.959 assume because it makes it sense. The one because the consumer perception is that, 2649 02:50:39.399 --> 02:50:41.399 oh, well, let's I guess it's you know, maybe it's not 2650 02:50:41.520 --> 02:50:45.159 very good. It's forty dollars and its first week. That's why. That's 2651 02:50:45.200 --> 02:50:48.319 why you see like the the gap is so why it's sixty dollars or down 2652 02:50:48.399 --> 02:50:50.840 to like one, five, fifteen, twenty, because that in between range 2653 02:50:50.879 --> 02:50:56.399 just makes your products seem cheap. Sure, either you either are launching at 2654 02:50:56.440 --> 02:51:00.440 a lower price and kind of a staption in yourself in that category, or 2655 02:51:00.559 --> 02:51:03.559 you're going for the full price game category. Yeah, anything above that. 2656 02:51:03.559 --> 02:51:05.040 This should go the opposite. This should make it a premium on new ips 2657 02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:09.239 and be like this game's worth eighty dollars. Should use that. I've always 2658 02:51:09.280 --> 02:51:13.520 wondered and I only had recently clarified on me why some games in Japan are 2659 02:51:13.680 --> 02:51:18.239 so expensive, Like you'll get like a like a really because a really small 2660 02:51:18.280 --> 02:51:20.799 targeted product that's like eighty ninety one hundred dollars. That's because there's no press 2661 02:51:20.840 --> 02:51:24.639 regulation. Well, it's also I guess it's like what consoles where it's like 2662 02:51:24.719 --> 02:51:28.319 whatever the market will carry, right, So it's like you know that ten 2663 02:51:28.399 --> 02:51:31.879 thousand people will buy this, So why would you charge sixty bucks for it 2664 02:51:31.920 --> 02:51:35.239 when those same ten thousand people will pay one hundred dollars for it? And 2665 02:51:35.319 --> 02:51:37.719 so that, but that, but that The argument for the publishers is like, 2666 02:51:37.760 --> 02:51:41.280 well, we can't survive making these products for ten thousand people at sixty 2667 02:51:41.319 --> 02:51:43.920 dollars, so we have to charge one hundred. I mean, you don't 2668 02:51:45.200 --> 02:51:46.719 it's hard enough. That's true or not. But I see the argument of 2669 02:51:48.239 --> 02:51:50.239 well, if we charge ten thousand people at one hundred dollars, well then 2670 02:51:50.280 --> 02:51:54.040 we can keep making this for just those ten thousand people not worry about expanding 2671 02:51:54.040 --> 02:51:58.799 the audience. Yeah, but you see that with like Child of Eden. 2672 02:51:58.799 --> 02:52:01.600 That game shouldn't have been sixty buck. It wasn't it was fifty Well, 2673 02:52:01.600 --> 02:52:05.040 it shouldn't have been fifty bucks. It went down to ten, like, 2674 02:52:05.120 --> 02:52:07.280 you know, fifteen bucks like two weeks later. Yeah, yeah, and 2675 02:52:07.399 --> 02:52:11.840 just came out on p S three. Yeah, and it was I think 2676 02:52:11.879 --> 02:52:13.000 it was gonna be so fun, like twenty bucks in Europe. Yeah, 2677 02:52:13.040 --> 02:52:16.840 that's that's about right. It's about where that game should have been. About 2678 02:52:16.840 --> 02:52:18.760 twenty bucks. I would have I would have been happy with that price point. 2679 02:52:20.079 --> 02:52:22.000 We've run out of time for emails. Thanks everyone else who wrote in 2680 02:52:22.120 --> 02:52:26.280 once again, BombCast at GiantBomb dot com is the address. We're playing track 2681 02:52:26.319 --> 02:52:33.120 Mania two on TNT this week. We're gonna I will have the ship out 2682 02:52:33.159 --> 02:52:39.360 of the fun of that fun after love. Yes, yes, there will 2683 02:52:39.360 --> 02:52:48.559 be plenty of life love believing were plenty of unlicensed broadcasting of copyrighted music, 2684 02:52:48.559 --> 02:52:52.840 because that's how track Mania two rolls. Maybe we will be confounded by interface 2685 02:52:54.040 --> 02:52:56.799 and we will drive super duper fast, So look forward to that. There's 2686 02:52:56.799 --> 02:53:01.719 a giant Bomb server should jot bombs server for track Mania too put into Jeff 2687 02:53:01.760 --> 02:53:05.639 for at least a time, was the most popular server, and I believe 2688 02:53:05.680 --> 02:53:09.799 it. I believe it remains, at least in the US, in all 2689 02:53:09.840 --> 02:53:13.959 of the Mania Planet in the US, in the California US region of Mania 2690 02:53:15.000 --> 02:53:18.719 Planet is definitely because there's not a lot of those much more European. And 2691 02:53:18.799 --> 02:53:24.840 that games are twenty bucks, right, I do sure it's bucks, it's 2692 02:53:24.879 --> 02:53:28.040 moneys, I don't I don't know. Five but that's in planet dollars. 2693 02:53:28.120 --> 02:53:31.600 I don't know what that converts to in Buffalo non non Mania. Yeah, 2694 02:53:31.680 --> 02:53:37.079 whatever that costs in Buffalo nickels. But also only available through uh TrackMania dot 2695 02:53:37.440 --> 02:53:41.159 whatever. That's probably the best way. Yeah, go go to go to 2696 02:53:41.239 --> 02:53:45.879 Mania planet and go get it there, get it somewhere else. Yeah, 2697 02:53:46.000 --> 02:53:48.920 go to go to Mania Planet, check it out, google it. Yeah. 2698 02:53:50.000 --> 02:53:54.399 No, keep safe search on planet for sure. Uh Patrick, Thanks 2699 02:53:54.440 --> 02:54:00.200 for sitting in for for Jeff this week. It was a pleasure. You 2700 02:54:00.239 --> 02:54:03.479 go back to whispering Skyrim to yourself and I and Brad. Thank you guys 2701 02:54:03.559 --> 02:54:07.239 as always, thank you for the podcast. Thanks for thank you guys at 2702 02:54:07.239 --> 02:54:11.680 home for listening. We'll back next Tuesday with another edition of the Giant Podcast.