1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,359 in the UK and around the world. Hello world, You're listening to Eleanor 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:20,280 Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we're 4 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:26,559 always creeping it real. I'm your host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,879 my paranormal Closet, where the stories in magic take place. Today's guest has 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,600 been fascinated with ghosts ever since her early teens, when she had numerous experiences 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,600 and encounters in her childhood home in New Jersey. In nineteen ninety eight, 8 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:47,880 she sought out the New Jersey Ghost Hunter Society due to her interests and experiences, 9 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,840 before eventually becoming a member and has been hooked on this field ever since. 10 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:59,520 She has been published in the book Anthology's Ghostly Tales from America's Jails by 11 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:04,799 him Press and ghost Hunting USA by Cleversy Press, and made appearances on local 12 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:11,519 television networks and newspapers. When not busy with ghosts, she's busy raising her 13 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:17,400 two children and continues to offer her energy healing services. She also performs house 14 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:23,599 clearings and cleansings. Her passions include horseback riding, movies, border colleagues, 15 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:30,319 traveling, forensic psychology, and the soul's wisdom. She works as a nurse 16 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:34,280 and lives in Warren County, New Jersey with her chaotic family. Please join 17 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,400 me in welcoming Dina Jericho to the Shark Show. Thank you, thank you 18 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,640 for having me. I remember reaching out to you when I was writing my 19 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:48,560 Warren County Huntings and Other Strange Phenomena book, because you had so many stories, 20 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:53,439 but especially stories to share about Charlie Brown's, which was in Hackettstown at 21 00:01:53,480 --> 00:02:00,560 one point, very old building, very active building, in fact hands again. 22 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:08,039 Oh what is it called now? Something grill? It's no longer the 23 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:14,520 McNally's. It's something else now, no kidding, huh. I wonder if 24 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,240 the ghosts had anything to do with that. I don't know. You know, 25 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,080 A funny thing. One of my former team members, you know, 26 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,960 was saying, Oh, I can get us in there for an interview, 27 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:28,719 get us in there for an interview. And this is already I had already 28 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:35,680 had the full chapter on Charlie Brown's and some stories from even before it was 29 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,240 Charlie Brown. So I really didn't need b McNally's input, but if they 30 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,919 wanted us to have an investigation greet So she had come back to me and 31 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,639 she had said, well, they don't want the information put in a book. 32 00:02:49,719 --> 00:02:53,479 So the next thing I know, there's former members having an investigation with 33 00:02:53,599 --> 00:03:00,960 other people at the building and they were videotaping the whole thing about you know, 34 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,439 drama in the paranormal world. I was like, Wow, they don't 35 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:06,759 want it in the book, but it's okay to have it on a video 36 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:12,039 show, right, yeah, right, what's the difference. But it's such 37 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:15,919 its life in paranormal world. Sometimes you run into drama like that. I 38 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,960 wrote the chapter anyway, and it was a great chapter, so it really 39 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,439 didn't matter, but that was kind of irritating to have that happen. Sure, 40 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:29,199 I am curious to know whether the ghostly happenings over there had anything to 41 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,879 do with them selling. I'm curious myself. I'm part of me wants to 42 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,879 go in there and talk with the manager and just kind of see, you 43 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:42,319 know, what's going on. Sure, they might be receptive, openly receptive, 44 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,599 and you're sensitive that way, so you'd go in and you'd feel it 45 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,719 right away. So why you could take a floor. Plus yeah, plus 46 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:57,280 you could tell them about your former experiences there, and sometimes that actually impresses 47 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:00,680 them. Oh gosh, you would hear already and you've done investations in this 48 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:03,080 building, and oh what happened? And then you can lead into well, 49 00:04:03,319 --> 00:04:05,800 has anything happened while you've been here? And who? And who knows? 50 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,879 They might say, come on over. You never know exactly. We'll have 51 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,000 to say. Yeah, you'll have to let me know. I would love 52 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:17,279 to know. Yeah, definitely. So you grew up in a wanted home 53 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:23,399 and you mentioned that a lot of stuff happened there. Where was this home 54 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:26,720 in New Jersey? And what happened to you? So it was in Union 55 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:32,480 County and which is East New Jersey? And I called them, I've come 56 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:40,680 to call them passers by. So they're not harmful. They don't have an 57 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,519 agenda, as I call it. They're simply passing by. And we got 58 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:51,079 that a lot before I really knew how to protect and cleanse a house to 59 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:57,000 kind of prevent things from coming and going. They just came and went. 60 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:00,560 But again, nothing stayed, nothing had an agenda, you know, there 61 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,279 was nothing to be worried about. And so they were just I don't know 62 00:05:04,319 --> 00:05:08,560 how to explain it. They were literally just passing by, and every now 63 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:13,720 and then we would communicate a lot of them more intelligent in terms of where 64 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,279 you can communicate and interact with them. I mean, it took me a 65 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:23,639 few years to really be comfortable with that. So otherwise I was quite scared 66 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:27,199 in the beginning. When you were young. That's it's a frightening thing when 67 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,279 something like that happens and they don't understand. Did you have parents that understood 68 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,800 it that they could explain it to you or not? Exactly? No, 69 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:40,040 I did not, but I did have a couple of friends who who was 70 00:05:40,079 --> 00:05:43,639 able. They were able to help me understand it better. In fact, 71 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,800 my one friend who was very much into this, her father was a shaman, 72 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:58,000 so he really helped answer a lot of my questions and it was immeasurable. 73 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,199 It was such a wonderful help there. But in my home, my 74 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,839 parents really didn't know anything about it. So they would just tell me, 75 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:09,000 oh, it was dream, it was a dream, you know, And 76 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,480 so I had to just deal with the fact that what was happening to be 77 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,959 was a dream. And it wasn't until I got older that I really understood 78 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:20,399 and started to learn. What did you go to school to learn how to 79 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:26,279 do these cleansings and clearings at homes? No, not at all. I 80 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:32,439 So when I first was introduced to cleansing and cleansing and vanishings and things like 81 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:39,600 that, I came to it through I guess, a magical or energy type 82 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:46,439 avenue versus paranormal specifically. So you know, I was in I'm pagan, 83 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,480 and I had joined my first coven when I was eighteen, and they had 84 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,680 been doing some cleansings and clearings and I learned a lot from them, and 85 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,959 I brought that into my practice of paranormal investigating, and I've had such success 86 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,639 with it that I just continue to, you know, tweak it a little 87 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:11,600 to see what was needed depending on what we're experiencing or dealing with. But 88 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:15,000 it's been I've been using that for almost thirty years now. Oh wow, 89 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,399 that's great. And now when you mentioned before that the spirits in your New 90 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,279 Jersey home were just passing through, what do you suppose they do that? 91 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,439 You know, I don't know, I don't know. You know, nobody's 92 00:07:27,439 --> 00:07:32,839 been able to answer, and spirits included can answer what's over there or what 93 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:39,279 are you seeing You know, nobody's been able to answer that or or are 94 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:43,800 willing to anyway, So I don't know. If it's just the veils then, 95 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:48,120 you know, and they're just kind of walking by, seeing what's going 96 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:53,720 on. If they don't want to go to wherever they go at the end 97 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,079 of the day, I don't know. Maybe they're afraid of going crossing over 98 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:03,959 or whatever. There's a lot of different theories there, but yeah, I 99 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,639 just there were a lot of passerviys in my house, and then I'd noticed 100 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,839 just in the world just people just kind of hate to say wandering, but 101 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,800 contently wandering. That's that's what I found. That's an interesting way of putting 102 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:22,000 it. And you're you mentioned that you're a nurse. I imagine that can 103 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,560 be very difficult for someone with gifts such as yours. I have interviewed other 104 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:33,200 nurses in the past, and they've had some unbelievable stories to share. I 105 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,360 imagine you've had your own. I do have a lot of stories to share, 106 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:45,279 but as a nurse specifically, I don't have any tie in with paranormal 107 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:50,120 experiences, at least not as a WOW, not as of yet. And 108 00:08:50,120 --> 00:09:00,159 I've worked in different avenues of nursing, everything from corrections to hospice care to 109 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:03,840 to you know, you know, end of life care. But I still 110 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,120 have that experience. You've been with people at their time of death? Yes, 111 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:13,919 have you seen when they are getting ready to pass? How they are? 112 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,639 So you want to you want to talk to us about that and tell 113 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:18,759 them what some of them have done, because I find that very intriguing. 114 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:26,399 It is, it's fascinating. So what you what you can see is towards 115 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:31,039 the end of the days, especially if it's within hours, people will say, 116 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,039 oh, I see my then my mother, and this could be an 117 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,759 eighty year old woman for example, They oh, I see my mother, 118 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:43,039 or I see people they have lost prior to them, you know, being 119 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:48,720 on their on their bed if you will, and a sense of peace just 120 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:56,159 really overwhelms them. And I find it very comforting that I found when they 121 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,639 do that. When they I mean, who knows, are they hallucinating? 122 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,919 Are they really seeing their loved ones coming to get them? I can't tell 123 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,519 you for sure, but I'd like to believe that it is their loved ones 124 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:13,639 coming and get them and try to transition them as peaceful as they can. 125 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Well, yeah, when you talk to people with near death experiences too. 126 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:24,600 They say they see deceased loved ones during their journey who tell them they have 127 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:33,039 to go back. So I do feel like there is that something happening during 128 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:35,320 that transition. And the day my dad died, he came to me and 129 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,480 he let me know. My mother in law did too. So I do 130 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:46,159 believe that we can firmly believe that there is that special something to help us 131 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:52,279 when we transition into a better place. Right, I tend to believe that 132 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,679 as well. Can you share some stories about those clearings and cleansings that you've 133 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:03,480 done? So the clearings, and there's one this is this is a really 134 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:05,000 wild one, and I'm gonna I'll share it. It was, in fact, 135 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:13,639 the case itself was in Stanhope and which is I guess the Sussex Morris 136 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,519 Border, I think, or just South Sussex County. And it was an 137 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:24,720 antique an art excuse me, an apartment above an antique sore and which in 138 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:28,519 and of itself might have its own you know, attachments or or what have 139 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:35,279 you. But we it was me and three other investigators, and we had 140 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:43,720 investigated this place multiple times. There were there was various activities from you know, 141 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,080 name calling and being woken up in the middle of the night, and 142 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:56,600 you know, intelligent spirits communicating with them, some good if you will, 143 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,759 or some you know, harmless, and some that again I say that they 144 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:07,320 had an agenda, you know, because you know, you usually when there's 145 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:09,240 spirits in the house and you want to say, you know, you want 146 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:13,159 them to go away. It's kind of like an unwritten rule that if you 147 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,159 say firmly and you you know, reclaim your house or reclaim your property and 148 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:18,799 say, listen, I need you to go. You're not welcome here, 149 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:26,320 you know, go ultimately, And for the most part they go, but 150 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:33,039 there are some that just don't want to for whatever reason. So in one 151 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:39,320 particular incident that I'm remembering is that this all began with a mirror. And 152 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,200 I don't know, a lot of people may not be familiar, but mirrors 153 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:52,039 are portals and pretty pretty good ones too, And never never phase two mirrors 154 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,600 in front of one another, because it makes for habit. Yes, yes, 155 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:03,679 so there was some know, trauma in this house with children or this 156 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:09,279 apartment with a couple of children in the closet. That's what we were gathering. 157 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:15,120 We were able to find some information when our researcher was, you know, 158 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,559 collaborating with the articles and with past owners and things like that. So 159 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,080 we do always have a researcher on staff too, you know, because you 160 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:31,919 never know, do Yeah. So there was long story short as best as 161 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:39,480 I can, there was a really nasty, nasty spirit. I don't use 162 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:43,639 the word demon, I don't use the word evil. I just it was 163 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:50,639 a nasty, powerful spirit and one of the few that I encountered that was 164 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,960 this powerful. And basically we were kind of ceiling. I was starting to 165 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,120 seal and close the mirror so this entity couldn't come out and cause any more 166 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:07,559 havoc. But as I was doing it, and I was about at tart 167 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,159 to say, but I do it energetically, like you know, you seal 168 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,240 and you close the mirror. And as I was doing that, this figure, 169 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:18,759 this guy, he was very tall. He had a hat on. 170 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:22,399 I don't know what it is with top hats with some of these spirits, 171 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,919 but he was he could be considered like at least six foot tall. Now 172 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:33,399 granted I'm short, but he was tall and thin, and he was really 173 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,080 nasty. So he comes from one end of the mirror to the to the 174 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:43,200 middle and he goes, don't you dare? And I said, and just 175 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,360 it took me back and from what other people were saying as they were watching 176 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:52,440 me do this, it was almost like a pushing match in the mirror as 177 00:14:52,519 --> 00:15:01,679 I was literally ceiling closing the mirror and this spe it trying to get out. 178 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,799 So it was it was crazy. It was If I didn't experience it, 179 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:07,960 I would think, yeah, right, you know, I mean, 180 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,480 but it was crazy. It was really one of the more I gets scary. 181 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,120 You know, I usually never get scared, but that was pretty, 182 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:20,240 uh, intimidating. It really was. You never found out who he was. 183 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,159 We never did know. We didn't. We had some EVPs and but 184 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:31,039 we could not exactly pinpoint. You know. We have some theories but nothing 185 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,519 concrete. And it was ostensible to think that he might be able to just 186 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:41,120 go find another mirror to come through. Well it's possible, I mean, 187 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:46,519 not that mirror. But again, what's you wonder like, what's in that 188 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,360 realm in the world behind them? Right? You know, it's it's it's 189 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:56,480 crazy when you think about how vast it could be and how how much we 190 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:02,840 don't even know yet. New Jersey Spirit Hunters at one point when we were 191 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,279 still the Lady Ghostbusters because it was just a bunch of women. We did 192 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:12,320 an investigation in Washington at a home and the woman had been experiencing a bunch 193 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,559 of things for years. But one of the things that she was most fearful 194 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,519 of is that the angry spirit that lived there liked to try and push them 195 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:23,759 down the stairs. And the whole family was aware of it, so they 196 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:27,519 were careful of it. But now she was getting ready to rent out the 197 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:33,000 house and a young family was coming in, and she was really concerned that 198 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,639 they wouldn't believe and take it literally and not be careful when someone would get 199 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,200 hurt, especially a child. So she had us come in and sure enough, 200 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:47,600 I mean, I'm privvy to these things before we go in, and 201 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,080 I don't let anybody on the team know what I know, because I want 202 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,399 to make sure that what they're finding out coinsigns with what I know. You 203 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,320 know, you don't want to know, find and buy ahead. Hi, 204 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:03,399 It's a great way to collaborate because then you can really verify information. So 205 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:07,799 I didn't tell them, And of course when we did the investigation, the 206 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:12,519 spirit did try and push down and the spirit in life was a nasty person. 207 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,960 So we do know. I think we can both agree that if you're 208 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:18,359 nasty in life, you're nasty and death that's did you take your personality with 209 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,440 you? And so this guy was shitty. He was a mean person and 210 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,240 didn't like anybody that was living in the house. So we had a team 211 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:30,920 member too at the time who was able to do what you do. She 212 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:34,880 was able to cleanse and clear and lock and all that stuff. And we 213 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:41,640 often thought, because the home was in a section of Washington where where there 214 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,599 was a bunch of track houses that one looked just like the next, we 215 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,960 often thought, well, what is it if he just goes into another house. 216 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,880 I was always really curious, and no one's ever come from that neighborhood 217 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,200 to say, hey, you know, I've read your book and now he's 218 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,480 in my home. Always wondered if that's a possibility, you know, because 219 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:08,039 you really don't want trying to protect everybody, but you can't always protect everybody. 220 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,559 So now that's a valid that's a very valid point. Who's to say 221 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:17,559 that it's not going to go next door or down the street, you know, 222 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,640 if there is, you know, if there isn't any kind of restriction 223 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,640 or you know, whatever is placed on them. You know, I don't 224 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,359 know, it's it's a good point. Are you still doing paranormal investigating yourself? 225 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,359 I am as of now. I think it was last year. Excuse 226 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,319 me. Last year the New Year's Ghost Hunter Society had finally I called it, 227 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:47,720 called it quits and kind of bandaged. But I'm still doing investigations. 228 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:51,240 You know, I do really enjoy I know this sounds odd, but I 229 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:56,920 do really enjoy the hospitals, the prisons, the asylums, just because they 230 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:04,480 are just so fascinating and full of just a variety of energy. Yes, 231 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,920 not always positive or good, if you will, but it's in a lot 232 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,440 of trauma is involved in those, but it's just it's amazing on an energy 233 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:22,599 level, you know. Sure, Now, haw's your passion for forensic pathology 234 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:29,079 and psychology ever led over to your paranormal side, like leading to evidence or 235 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,920 participation with local law enforcement? No, not nothing for me personally, you 236 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:40,160 know, or professionally, I should say, But I do like to go 237 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,759 to I guess if there's any kind of not a crime scene, but history 238 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,519 of some traumatic event, and you know, try to investigate and see what's 239 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:57,319 going on, so like historically, if there was something that happened that was 240 00:19:57,519 --> 00:20:04,119 traumatic, Yeah, I do like to investigate that. You'd be surprised what 241 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:11,119 you can come up with. One of my readers turned me onto the Rockport 242 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,640 train work, which is incidentally somewhere near you over there, and I wasn't 243 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,359 even aware of it when he told me. I'm like, I never got 244 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,480 through the hill. He's like, yeah, you should check it out. 245 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:25,160 And I'm pride myself on trusting my gut, so I had this feeling I 246 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,119 should just take us there to the site and see if we can pick up 247 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:32,279 anything. It ended up being one of the best investigations we've had, and 248 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:37,359 we went back three and four times after that first initial one because it was 249 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:42,000 so active. The place was still so active. Yes, yes, we've 250 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:48,920 been there before, and we actually went on the anniversary of Oh did you 251 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:56,039 Yes, we actually ran the anniversary and it was it was pretty pretty profound 252 00:20:56,079 --> 00:21:00,400 there. We got a lot of good evidence, and different members of the 253 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:07,240 team corroborated some of the information that they were unfamiliar with that seemed to again 254 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:12,400 seemed to coincide with a lot of the history. So it was it was 255 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,039 pretty cool, and you know, you don't expect it to be. It 256 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,279 gets accurately excited. You're like, oh my gosh, let me ask you. 257 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:26,720 Did you have a spirit messing with the light the railway light, that 258 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:29,599 thing you know just for the listeners when you go over track it goes ding 259 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,680 ding ding ding and the lights come on? Did you have spirits messing with 260 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,200 the light. No, we didn't. No, I guess you did. 261 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,680 Yeah, at one out of the four investigations, we did. And uh. 262 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:47,079 At first we were all just walking on the tracks when this happened, 263 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:48,440 and we thought, oh my gosh, there's a train come and get off 264 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,960 the trucks and well off the tracks and were like, where's the gosh darn 265 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:57,279 train. And that's when it started. And it just continued for the whole 266 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:02,440 time that we were there. Was really really cool. And then we went 267 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:03,799 back. We tried to have it happen again and it didn't. I think 268 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,920 it was all right. We're tired. We tried, you know, getting 269 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:14,160 you first time. Now I'm done. But one of my members who had 270 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,559 been there on his own previously, he had said that that had happened to 271 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,640 him, so I think it might happen occasionally whenever the mood strikes that particular 272 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,640 spirit. I don't know, but it was really cool. That's interesting because 273 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,839 maybe again we could always form as many theories or you know, ideas about 274 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:36,200 what we think that is. But is it something intelligent that it is trying 275 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:41,000 to protect people on the track or is it residual in that same respect of 276 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:45,480 trying to protect people. Well, funny that you should mention the first point 277 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:51,240 about somebody there trying to protect the track. We did because we had mediums 278 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:52,759 that were there that were able to speak to spirit. In fact, one 279 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,559 of them picked up a bunch of names and we ended up comparing it to 280 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:02,400 the original manifest and those names were on the manifest. So that was really 281 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:04,519 really cool. But we did connect the spirit, and off the top of 282 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:08,480 my head, I can't remember his name, but he was one of the 283 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,039 men on the train, and he said that he was there to make sure 284 00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:15,480 that nobody would get hurt on tracks anymore, even though the tracks itself now 285 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:22,480 are just I think they're not Passinger oriels anymore. No, he did make 286 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,640 it a specific point to tell our medium that he just wanted to make sure 287 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,880 that no one got hurt on the tracks anymore. And then when he realized 288 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,480 that we were understanding that he was communicating with us with the white to continue 289 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,519 throughout the night up until the point when we were saying now goodbyes, and 290 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,680 he did it again as we were leaving, like as a goodbye. It 291 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:48,480 was. It was just unbelievable. And then on another occasion when we went 292 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:55,200 back, we got residual audio of a steam engine you know how it goes 293 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:03,839 right? Yes, that's pretty wild. It was crazy. And the girls, 294 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,039 obviously when they were recording it, they had no clue because they were 295 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,079 they were trying to reconnect with the male spirit that we had connected with the 296 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:18,160 previous investigation, and they weren't weren't able to and this was happening. And 297 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,880 when they went home and they listened to it, it was like, oh, 298 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,960 my gosh, I can't believe that happens. So things that you least 299 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:32,839 expect are going to happen happen exactly. You know, when you were published 300 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,960 in the anthologies Ghostly Tales from America's Jails, what was it that you had 301 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:48,039 to share in that particular story. The NJGHS New Jeers Ego Center Society used 302 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:52,640 to do a lot of our certification training at Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia, 303 00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:00,720 and we would have the place from give or take nine ten pm to easy 304 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:04,599 to three o'clock in the morning, all to ourselves. Wow. So and 305 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:12,039 that place is just phenomenal. I mean just historically it's amazing, but paranormally 306 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:18,359 it's even more fascinating. So the one story that I had told that for 307 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:26,000 that book, I was outside with a fellow investigator and I'm are you familiar 308 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,480 with Eastern State at all? Yes? Okay, so you're familiar with the 309 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:37,279 Nickel Center, and then there's different cell blocks that are down like the spokes 310 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:42,119 of a wheel. Yes, okay. So we were outside one of the 311 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:48,319 spokes or the cell block not in the center, and outside at the end, 312 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,519 and I was changing batteries to my camera. Yes we had cameras, 313 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:59,359 you know, back before all these cell phones and everything. So I was 314 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,160 changing my baties and the other investigator was with me, just kind of hanging 315 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,839 out, and we were hearing in the cell block that we just had come 316 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,480 out of not too long ago, footsteps and a flashlight was going back and 317 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:19,160 forth almost like let's say, like a guard, you know, was walking 318 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,680 down the hall with the flashlight, just kind of checking on things. So, 319 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:27,160 but we didn't know what it was. We thought it was an investigator, 320 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:33,279 you know, no problem. So and they're going kind of fast, 321 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,799 so you know, investigators were going slow, you know, we're checking out 322 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,160 things. And but so we thought it might have been one of the guides 323 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:47,119 there that worked at Eastern State or volunteered at Eastern State. So we were 324 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:53,240 about to basically meet him at the entryway. So we got our stuff together 325 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,519 and he was coming up the hall. We heard him, we saw the 326 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:03,240 flashlight, and as we were coming around the corner to get to the entry 327 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,240 we were basically going to meet up and I was going to ask some question. 328 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:14,680 I had gone nobody there, Nobody ducked in the cell some of that. 329 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,920 In fact, those cells at that time had the chains on them. 330 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,359 But still we looked in the cells, we looked, it just disappeared. 331 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:29,079 We thought that was really really cool because we saw the flashlight, we heard 332 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,000 the footsteps and nothing. So I thought that was really cool. I really 333 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:38,880 enjoyed that one. I got to get really excited. You really do know 334 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,079 a lot of people don't realize that paranormal investigating can be quite boring. I 335 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:49,200 mean, yeah, we're socializing with one another, and we're both off with 336 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,839 each other and really enjoying each other's company. But for the most part, 337 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,880 you could sit there for several hours and have nothing happen. So when you 338 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,680 do get when you do get that little morsel, and if it's a really 339 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:07,920 good one, you get so excited because you do you can really experienced this 340 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,799 and it happened, and there's no denying it. And somebody else is going 341 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,359 to say to you, oh, that's such bullshit, but you know what 342 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:18,039 happened. I don't have to convince anybody, but it happens. So one 343 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:25,079 correct exactly, it's but you're right, though a regular investigation is on the 344 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:30,079 uh on the spectrum boring. In fact, you know you're sitting there, 345 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,200 you're doing EVP, you're you know, regardless if it's daytime, nighttime, 346 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,319 because you know, you can get activity during the day. It doesn't have 347 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,039 to be all dark. It just helps with other senses sometimes when it's dark, 348 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:45,440 but you don't have to. But yeah, boring. So that's why 349 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:52,519 whenever something happens, I get so excited. And that's a classic misconception too 350 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:55,160 to the public. They think it only has to be at night. They 351 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,039 don't realize that this shit goes on all the time. I mean, I've 352 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,960 been in cebinaries in the middle of the day and they had stuff happened, 353 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:07,839 and it's steadily. Cemeteries are great for people out there that are just looking 354 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,960 to get started. Just go to an old cemetery and be open minded. 355 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:17,640 You can try just old traditional methods to get you started. And just take 356 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,640 pictures in threes one two three, one two three and go home and have 357 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,319 the patients to sit there and go through all those pictures and you would be 358 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,480 surprised what you have caught on camera. You're very You're very true. In 359 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,920 fact, you're very right. In fact. One thing again, the nagah 360 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:38,720 just did we use our little cemetery hunts to help train other people too, 361 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:45,079 on basics of equipment, on basics of investigation, because they are they tend 362 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,359 to be, you know, for the most part, active but calm, 363 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,799 and I know you know what I mean by that. Yeah, yeah, 364 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,279 So they're all living, living, living in the dead world. This is 365 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:03,759 there. It's it's a living people. I worry about that they're intimentaries exactly. 366 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,839 Well, you know, I'm all about respecting spirit. I'm there for 367 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,839 them. I'm there to acknowledge them and try and get whatever message it is 368 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,680 that they want us to hear. I don't like to antagonize them or disrespect 369 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,079 them, And I really don't like it when people do. I really know, 370 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,400 true, I agree, and you don't provoke them, you know. 371 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:29,880 Besides the whole disrespect provoking is if you don't even know what you're dealing with 372 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,640 sometimes and if you keep provoking something, you know you're gonna get more than 373 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,640 you asked for, you really will. What are your thoughts on all this 374 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,319 newfound equipment that's been coming out, because I know you started back in the 375 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:48,759 day when you were just using regular cameras and recorders and there wasn't no digital, 376 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,000 it was analog. Yeah, you know, you would use a tape 377 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:57,480 recorder, you know, with even an external mic would be a fascinating thing 378 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:02,200 because you know, it wouldn't pick up them mechanisms of the of the device, 379 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,279 you know, and sometimes we even had I picked up a lot of 380 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,519 things on a disposable camera. I kid you not, I believe you. 381 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:18,480 I believe you. Yeah, so you and I do feel even now like 382 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,680 I like to just use the traditional methods of downcing rods and pendulums and even 383 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:29,880 just a simple flashlight because it does work. They do work. You really 384 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,960 sometimes don't even need this other stuff. So I don't know, what do 385 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,359 you feel about it? I think, I mean, I don't know. 386 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,359 I haven't watched the shows in quite a while. In fact, I really 387 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,359 kind of always stayed away from them. But so I don't know what new 388 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:52,680 devices are really coming out, but I've seen people use I guess these rempods 389 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,559 or you know, yeah, and spirit boxes and all that other stuff. 390 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:02,000 Sometimes it just gets too much that you've go back to basics and you should 391 00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:07,519 go back to that time where sometimes your intuition is the best and all your 392 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:14,640 senses are heightened, you know. I just sometimes think sometimes too much is 393 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:19,599 just too much. I work with a variety of people that do different things. 394 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,160 I have people that just come in and don't use anything because they're so 395 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,680 sensitive to spirits that they can come in and they can just zone everything out 396 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:30,279 and just tune in spirit. And so we'll go with somebody who may have 397 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:36,319 rempod being in another room, and somebody else will be using their pendulum and 398 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:42,480 or dowsing rods. So you know, to each his own, but everybody 399 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,720 knows what works best for them, you know what I mean. I like 400 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:51,000 to use my pendulum in dowsing rods. I can't. I'm not as good 401 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:52,279 as any of the people on my team, and I don't claim to be, 402 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:59,319 but I am sensitive enough that I know stuff to a degree. And 403 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:01,400 then when we're all together, you know how that energy works when you roll 404 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,240 together, putting the pieces of the puzzle into one place. It just makes 405 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,359 for a really good turnout. But I'm not good with some of this new 406 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,960 found equipment. I just don't care. I'm just not good with it. 407 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:21,240 No. No. The one thing that I just yeah, one thing that 408 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:25,119 I really did use that I found amazing because I never used it before. 409 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:34,440 I was actually at the Sun Inn. It's in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and 410 00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,720 that place is known to be very active, and sure enough it is. 411 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:44,359 We've gotten a lot of evidence there. However, yes, yes, however, 412 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,880 I'm sorry. What's the history. Do you know what the history is 413 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,640 behind that building? I don't remember now, it's been quite a long time. 414 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,039 It's been so long, but it is. It's the sun and in 415 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:04,519 Bethlehem. I recommend it look it up. So the one piece of equipment 416 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:08,920 that I used for the first time and was blown away by was the parabolic 417 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,719 microphone. Now I know what that's used for in general, you know, 418 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,440 with private investigators and things like that, but to use it on a paranormal 419 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:27,360 investigation was amazing. We heard, I heard in real time a spirit answering 420 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,199 somebody's question. And I've never heard of this equipment, so could you just 421 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,119 tell us? Yes, okay, So it's called a parabolic microphone, and 422 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,480 what it is is like a device that's around it almost looks like a small 423 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:47,440 satellite dish kind of thing, and we could you could attach it to recorder, 424 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,920 which we had a recorder going at the time, so you could attach 425 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,039 it to that, and you have headphones. So what it does. It 426 00:34:54,079 --> 00:35:00,840 picks up frequencies that you're that a human ear can't normally hear, so it 427 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,000 picks up those frequencies. And then if you have the headphones on and you 428 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:10,400 had the recording going, somebody asked a question and there was a woman who 429 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,199 replied, and I was floored, and I told them, who are you 430 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,760 know? The people I was with, And I said, you know, 431 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,480 go ahead, keep going because follow it up with another question because there was 432 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:30,480 an intelligent response. So that was amazing. You didn't have to sit and 433 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:35,960 listen again play back. It was in real time. It was I had 434 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,440 not experienced that since, but that was something I'm not going to forget. 435 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:46,199 Wow. Yeah, you mentioned that your many adventures with New Jersey Ghost Hunters 436 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:52,199 Society has taken you to many places. Do you have any other good stories 437 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:58,239 you'd like to share with us tonight? I would yes. So I don't 438 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,440 know if we all love Gettysburg, don't we? Of course yes, So 439 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,800 Gettysburg, of course, historically and paranormally is a great place. So one 440 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:16,039 thing in particular, I was saying at the Farnsworth Inn, which again is 441 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:22,039 one of the more well known I guess hotels, but everywhere there is active. 442 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,760 I think if you go to Gettysburg and not have an experience, something's 443 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:32,559 wrong. So in this particular event, it was a weekend event. We 444 00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:39,639 had like a dinner and investigation that evening with Mark Nesbitt and a friend of 445 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:44,679 mine who were going to stay with me. She couldn't come, so I 446 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,039 stayed in the room by myself for two nights. And it was the Long 447 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:51,360 Street room, which is not even in the main hotel part of it, 448 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,239 or the main bed and breakfast. It was in where the library was at 449 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,440 the time. I haven't been back there in a while, so I don't 450 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,840 know if it's still set up that same way. But it was the long 451 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,519 Street room and the bed. I have to explain it this way. The 452 00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:09,599 bed has bedsteps. Now, granted I'm only five to one, but I 453 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:13,440 had to really jump even on the bedsteps to get on. It was a 454 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:19,440 huge bed. So there was a couple incidents that happened that first night. 455 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,960 You know, I heard some marbles in my room. I don't know, 456 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:29,519 couldn't see anything, didn't think anything of it. But I was also five 457 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:36,039 months pregnant with my first child, and I was hoping to connect with the 458 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:42,440 midwife spirit that was supposed to haunt that place. So I had a little 459 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:49,199 motive there, you know. So I was sleeping on the bed on one 460 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:57,119 side of the bed and having trigger trigger items. That's exactly what I was 461 00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:01,639 doing, exactly, And so unlike the beds now where they have like memory 462 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:08,320 foam or hybrids on a regular mattress, if a spring mattress, if someone 463 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,400 sat on the bed on the other side. The bed would go down right, 464 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,639 you know, it would lean in right. Well, I was ling 465 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,280 sleeping. Somebody laid on the bed next to me and it went in. 466 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:29,119 So I say she because it was a female energy. She was touching my 467 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,960 hip. So I was facing the other way. I immediately woke up. 468 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,599 I went wide awake, and I turned my face to see I'm like, 469 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:43,360 okay, I feel I feel her. I sent her, let me see 470 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,599 her. So I turned my face and I couldn't see anybody. I saw 471 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:52,440 the indentation. I felt her against my body, but I didn't see her. 472 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:57,920 But I felt comforted, if that makes any sense. And you knew 473 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,400 it was her somehow, I did. So I thanked her for just sharing, 474 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,719 you know, herself with me, and and I hope, uh you 475 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,400 know, I'm I'm staying here. I'm not causing any problem. But it 476 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,599 was very comforting. So I uh, I just it was amazing. I 477 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:22,239 loved it. Oh that's cool. Yeah, have you gone back to Gettysburg 478 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:29,880 again? Since yes, I had. I had gone back and one experience, 479 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,599 if you'd like to hear it was in triangular field or triangle field, 480 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,280 I would love to hear it. Okay, So are you familiar with Triangle 481 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,000 Field? I'm not, no, okay, So you know Devil's Den, 482 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000 yes, okay. So when you go to Devil's Den, it's a one 483 00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,000 way or at least at this point in time, it was a one way 484 00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:52,159 road to kind of exit. And as you're exiting up on the as you 485 00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:58,039 go up and around the hill, there's a big field with a gate and 486 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:05,000 that's Triangle Field, and there is so much activity there. There's so many 487 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:10,559 issues with electric batteries, things just not working anymore, you know, that 488 00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:17,000 whole phenomenon. Sure, And so three friends of mine and I this was 489 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:22,280 after a ghost conference in the MLS in Gettysburg. The one friend stayed in 490 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,960 the car because she was scared. So we were teasing her and saying that, 491 00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:29,199 well, you're going to be alone. They're going to come after you. 492 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,559 You know, we're just teasing her. So myself and two other people 493 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,599 traveled or you know, ventured into Triangle Field. And you know, sometimes 494 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,920 the grass is very high because it's not you know, maintained, it's natural, 495 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,000 so it was pretty high, and it was night. It was like 496 00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:55,000 two o'clock in the morning, even though it's not open then, so it 497 00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,519 was like two o'clock in the morning and we're walking and as we're walking, 498 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:06,559 we heard a musket. Now, when I say musket, I mean I 499 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:10,760 go shooting. I'm familiar with shotguns and rifles and guns. It sounded like 500 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,719 that powder, you know. How do you know what I'm talking about? 501 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:20,000 Yeah, I think I kind of understand what you're saying. So at first 502 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,519 we were like, you know, we were saying, oh, it's probably 503 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:28,000 just a what do you call it, a reenactor, just messing around with 504 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,639 us, you know, because it was nearby, so we said, okay, 505 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,119 well, we'll just keep going toward it, because that's what we do. 506 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,599 We go towards the things instead of running away. So we're going toward 507 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,719 the sound that we heard. And as we were getting further into the field, 508 00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:52,280 we heard it again, but with this time we saw a flash and 509 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,800 it was literally about fifty feet in front of us, and all three of 510 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:02,199 us saw it. We were shocked. Now, so to us, we 511 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,159 kind of had the conclusion that maybe it's someone still fighting the war and they're 512 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:15,239 afraid. So we didn't replay the constant exactly, so we didn't want to 513 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,880 step on any toes. We apologized, We said, oh, listen, 514 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,679 I'm sorry that you know, we're not trying to frighten you, but we'll 515 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:28,400 we'll go back now. But we saw the flash fifty feet it was crazy 516 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:32,840 and of course where's all of our equipment in the car? Yeap, doesn't 517 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:39,119 that always happen in the car. But again, it happened to me, 518 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,840 and if it happened to someone else, I'd probably be like, yeah, 519 00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,719 right, you know, but it's you know, personal experiences are invaluable, 520 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:52,159 they really are, absolutely, and consider earlier. We don't need to convince 521 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:57,199 anybody. We're in it for the shear joint, for ourselves. And if 522 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,000 somebody likes to listen to a story and wants to hear it, that's fine. 523 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,079 We're not interested in whether you believe it or not because we know what 524 00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:08,960 happened. So exactly right, you're right, any stories closer to home? 525 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:17,039 Let me think here, yes, actually right, well, I don't want 526 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:23,880 to say where, but where I live, but close to me in Hotel 527 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,360 Belvidere in Belvidere, New Jersey, where they have like grands. Yeah, 528 00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:36,800 okay, so it's right next to the courthouse. It's it's called Hotel Belvidere 529 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:42,440 it's changed hands a few times. They have current new owners. I don't 530 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,440 know how receptive they are. I'm interested in talking with them. But the 531 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,360 owners before them, they let us in on an investigation and it did not 532 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:59,920 disappoint. Did you go down into the basement where he had the yeah, 533 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:07,760 the horse shield, the original Yes, we went down there and there so 534 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,280 they know. They used to go down there after our hanging, and they 535 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,320 used to auction off pieces of the news, all right. So yeah, 536 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,760 and he really was trying to make a nice venue down there. The owner 537 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,159 previous, he was nice man. But yeah, very active down there. 538 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,639 Huh what active? Pretty nasty stuff down there too, if you had a 539 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:37,440 lot of the Yeah, there was one particular guy that kind of like followed 540 00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,840 us out almost the point that I actually wanted to run up the stairs, 541 00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:46,239 which I've never felt that. And it was just very, very crazy. 542 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,800 So that's one thing that you know, I wanted to do. But we 543 00:44:51,920 --> 00:45:01,599 got We caught ev T's like crazy intelligent residual. We caught various photography. 544 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,800 Oh one thing we caught, Oh, this was amazing. This was your 545 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:13,000 typical analog video recorder and in the attic that's my dog running around. I 546 00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:16,079 apologize for that. I'm all right. I have dogs around here too, 547 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:21,320 So don't feel bad, okay, no problem. So in the attic, 548 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,760 we caught a video of a fire. And when I say it was a 549 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,639 video, there's nothing there. Then all of a sudden, you see a 550 00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:36,920 ball of fire just undulate, all of a sudden, getting bigger, and 551 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,960 then poof, it was gone. Nobody was up there. It was the 552 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,559 strangest thing, come to find out ahead there was a fire up there. 553 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,079 Yeah, yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. I remember him 554 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,360 mentioning that there was a fire up there. Yeah, and didn't you didn't 555 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,519 you say something about you were there with the television crew or something at one 556 00:45:55,519 --> 00:46:00,199 point. It wasn't very a reporter that was with you an investigation at a 557 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:07,199 time at the Belvedere. Yes, oh, in Belvidere, we didn't have 558 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,199 a reporter. I didn't have a reporter with me in Belvedere. We've had 559 00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:17,519 it in other investigations, you know, private residences as well as you know 560 00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:23,199 public establishment. Mm hmmm. Yeah. It might have been somebody else that 561 00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:28,199 I spoke to. They had said that something happened when they were there, 562 00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,599 when there was a reporter there, which is kind of cool if it did, 563 00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:35,400 because then that makes the reporter a believer. Okay. I was actually 564 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:43,719 at the Charlie Browns and Hacketts Town with Laura, had a coffin and we 565 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:50,280 were interviewing, doing an interview live, and the reporter experienced something there and 566 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,440 she was blown away. Yeah. See, that's great when you can make 567 00:46:53,480 --> 00:47:00,000 a believer out of somebody who is influential in that way. Yeah, not 568 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:06,079 this past Halloween, but the Halloween before that, we went on an investigation 569 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:12,000 at the library in Oh my goodness, Bread the heck was that. It 570 00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:15,880 was in Bluten, I believe the Bluton Library, Yeah, the Holmes Library. 571 00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:22,639 And we brought along, we brought along a reporter from Channel eleven, 572 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:29,079 and I mean we had stuff happened, but he wasn't truly convinced. I 573 00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,639 mean, like, the fans started going and nobody touched the fan stuff like 574 00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:36,920 that, and the sensitives that were there were happen. Stuff happened, but 575 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:42,159 it wasn't anything that actually happened to him that he would say, yeah, 576 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,079 I know that it happened. But he also spent a night in the Emityvillehara 577 00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:52,119 Home with the wars bent back in the day, and he didn't have anything 578 00:47:52,159 --> 00:48:00,800 happened when he was in at home either, So it's kind of I like, 579 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,920 can you tell the listeners how they can find you in case they're in 580 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,880 need of a clearing or cleansing. Sure, so you can find me on 581 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:22,639 Instagram. I'm under room flyer three five seven and I actual I do witch 582 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,480 tips on TikTok and that's also room flyer three five seven. That correct, 583 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,760 room Flare three five seven. Yep, I'm gonna have to find you too, 584 00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:43,079 room flyer, and I'm very Let me double check on the Instagram because 585 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:51,239 I think let me just confirm yes, Instagram is room Flyer two thirteen. 586 00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,920 Okay, because it's not coming up on three five seven open two room flyer 587 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,800 two thirteen. He here you are. I found you. I just followed 588 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,920 you. Thank you. You're welcome. Well this was really fun. Thank 589 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,280 you so much for joining me today and telling me about your adventures and stuff 590 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,559 over the years. No, you're very welcome. Thank you for having me. 591 00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:16,679 I know we talked about this for a while. Well, you're in 592 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,599 my books, so it made sense to have you on the show. If 593 00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:29,199 I could catch you, I say, you can I introduce Can I introduce 594 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:36,159 a budding starting of a paranormal investigator? Absolutely? Go right ahead. Okay, 595 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,800 So over here, she just walked in. This is my thirteen year 596 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:45,679 old daughter, Hi, and she is fascinated by the paranormal. In fact, 597 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:53,079 she has her own gifts and own talents that she embraces. I's embrace, 598 00:49:53,360 --> 00:50:00,320 she's embracing them. I apologize my dog one more time. Your daughter 599 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:07,840 is embracing her gifts. She is, she is wonderful, and she's trying 600 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,440 really hard to make sense of everything and to understand it better and to use 601 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:19,880 it for the best way she can. But she loves investigations and she wants 602 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,760 to start going on some more. Oh that's great. And you know what, 603 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:29,519 there's nothing better than having a supportive mama who knows which way to steer 604 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,960 her in which direction, and how to teach her. Because I've seen just 605 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,639 from interviewing people over the years that those people who have had that support in 606 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:45,760 their growth are so much more adept and in tune than we were they not 607 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,159 to have somebody supporting them or helping them. So I wish you really well 608 00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,760 in your endeavors. Yes, honey, it was nice to meet to you. 609 00:50:54,519 --> 00:51:00,400 It was nice. We need to have a good night ladies. Thank 610 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,199 you have a good night too. Bye bye you all. 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