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always creeping it real. I'm your host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to
my paranormal Closet, where the stories in magic take place. Today's guest has
been fascinated with ghosts ever since her early teens, when she had numerous experiences
and encounters in her childhood home in New Jersey. In nineteen ninety eight,
she sought out the New Jersey Ghost Hunter Society due to her interests and experiences,
before eventually becoming a member and has been hooked on this field ever since.
She has been published in the book Anthology's Ghostly Tales from America's Jails by
him Press and ghost Hunting USA by Cleversy Press, and made appearances on local
television networks and newspapers. When not busy with ghosts, she's busy raising her
two children and continues to offer her energy healing services. She also performs house
clearings and cleansings. Her passions include horseback riding, movies, border colleagues,
traveling, forensic psychology, and the soul's wisdom. She works as a nurse
and lives in Warren County, New Jersey with her chaotic family. Please join
me in welcoming Dina Jericho to the Shark Show. Thank you, thank you
for having me. I remember reaching out to you when I was writing my
Warren County Huntings and Other Strange Phenomena book, because you had so many stories,
but especially stories to share about Charlie Brown's, which was in Hackettstown at
one point, very old building, very active building, in fact hands again.
Oh what is it called now? Something grill? It's no longer the
McNally's. It's something else now, no kidding, huh. I wonder if
the ghosts had anything to do with that. I don't know. You know,
A funny thing. One of my former team members, you know,
was saying, Oh, I can get us in there for an interview,
get us in there for an interview. And this is already I had already
had the full chapter on Charlie Brown's and some stories from even before it was
Charlie Brown. So I really didn't need b McNally's input, but if they
wanted us to have an investigation greet So she had come back to me and
she had said, well, they don't want the information put in a book.
So the next thing I know, there's former members having an investigation with
other people at the building and they were videotaping the whole thing about you know,
drama in the paranormal world. I was like, Wow, they don't
want it in the book, but it's okay to have it on a video
show, right, yeah, right, what's the difference. But it's such
its life in paranormal world. Sometimes you run into drama like that. I
wrote the chapter anyway, and it was a great chapter, so it really
didn't matter, but that was kind of irritating to have that happen. Sure,
I am curious to know whether the ghostly happenings over there had anything to
do with them selling. I'm curious myself. I'm part of me wants to
go in there and talk with the manager and just kind of see, you
know, what's going on. Sure, they might be receptive, openly receptive,
and you're sensitive that way, so you'd go in and you'd feel it
right away. So why you could take a floor. Plus yeah, plus
you could tell them about your former experiences there, and sometimes that actually impresses
them. Oh gosh, you would hear already and you've done investations in this
building, and oh what happened? And then you can lead into well,
has anything happened while you've been here? And who? And who knows?
They might say, come on over. You never know exactly. We'll have
to say. Yeah, you'll have to let me know. I would love
to know. Yeah, definitely. So you grew up in a wanted home
and you mentioned that a lot of stuff happened there. Where was this home
in New Jersey? And what happened to you? So it was in Union
County and which is East New Jersey? And I called them, I've come
to call them passers by. So they're not harmful. They don't have an
agenda, as I call it. They're simply passing by. And we got
that a lot before I really knew how to protect and cleanse a house to
kind of prevent things from coming and going. They just came and went.
But again, nothing stayed, nothing had an agenda, you know, there
was nothing to be worried about. And so they were just I don't know
how to explain it. They were literally just passing by, and every now
and then we would communicate a lot of them more intelligent in terms of where
you can communicate and interact with them. I mean, it took me a
few years to really be comfortable with that. So otherwise I was quite scared
in the beginning. When you were young. That's it's a frightening thing when
something like that happens and they don't understand. Did you have parents that understood
it that they could explain it to you or not? Exactly? No,
I did not, but I did have a couple of friends who who was
able. They were able to help me understand it better. In fact,
my one friend who was very much into this, her father was a shaman,
so he really helped answer a lot of my questions and it was immeasurable.
It was such a wonderful help there. But in my home, my
parents really didn't know anything about it. So they would just tell me,
oh, it was dream, it was a dream, you know, And
so I had to just deal with the fact that what was happening to be
was a dream. And it wasn't until I got older that I really understood
and started to learn. What did you go to school to learn how to
do these cleansings and clearings at homes? No, not at all. I
So when I first was introduced to cleansing and cleansing and vanishings and things like
that, I came to it through I guess, a magical or energy type
avenue versus paranormal specifically. So you know, I was in I'm pagan,
and I had joined my first coven when I was eighteen, and they had
been doing some cleansings and clearings and I learned a lot from them, and
I brought that into my practice of paranormal investigating, and I've had such success
with it that I just continue to, you know, tweak it a little
to see what was needed depending on what we're experiencing or dealing with. But
it's been I've been using that for almost thirty years now. Oh wow,
that's great. And now when you mentioned before that the spirits in your New
Jersey home were just passing through, what do you suppose they do that?
You know, I don't know, I don't know. You know, nobody's
been able to answer, and spirits included can answer what's over there or what
are you seeing You know, nobody's been able to answer that or or are
willing to anyway, So I don't know. If it's just the veils then,
you know, and they're just kind of walking by, seeing what's going
on. If they don't want to go to wherever they go at the end
of the day, I don't know. Maybe they're afraid of going crossing over
or whatever. There's a lot of different theories there, but yeah, I
just there were a lot of passerviys in my house, and then I'd noticed
just in the world just people just kind of hate to say wandering, but
contently wandering. That's that's what I found. That's an interesting way of putting
it. And you're you mentioned that you're a nurse. I imagine that can
be very difficult for someone with gifts such as yours. I have interviewed other
nurses in the past, and they've had some unbelievable stories to share. I
imagine you've had your own. I do have a lot of stories to share,
but as a nurse specifically, I don't have any tie in with paranormal
experiences, at least not as a WOW, not as of yet. And
I've worked in different avenues of nursing, everything from corrections to hospice care to
to you know, you know, end of life care. But I still
have that experience. You've been with people at their time of death? Yes,
have you seen when they are getting ready to pass? How they are?
So you want to you want to talk to us about that and tell
them what some of them have done, because I find that very intriguing.
It is, it's fascinating. So what you what you can see is towards
the end of the days, especially if it's within hours, people will say,
oh, I see my then my mother, and this could be an
eighty year old woman for example, They oh, I see my mother,
or I see people they have lost prior to them, you know, being
on their on their bed if you will, and a sense of peace just
really overwhelms them. And I find it very comforting that I found when they
do that. When they I mean, who knows, are they hallucinating?
Are they really seeing their loved ones coming to get them? I can't tell
you for sure, but I'd like to believe that it is their loved ones
coming and get them and try to transition them as peaceful as they can.
Well, yeah, when you talk to people with near death experiences too.
They say they see deceased loved ones during their journey who tell them they have
to go back. So I do feel like there is that something happening during
that transition. And the day my dad died, he came to me and
he let me know. My mother in law did too. So I do
believe that we can firmly believe that there is that special something to help us
when we transition into a better place. Right, I tend to believe that
as well. Can you share some stories about those clearings and cleansings that you've
done? So the clearings, and there's one this is this is a really
wild one, and I'm gonna I'll share it. It was, in fact,
the case itself was in Stanhope and which is I guess the Sussex Morris
Border, I think, or just South Sussex County. And it was an
antique an art excuse me, an apartment above an antique sore and which in
and of itself might have its own you know, attachments or or what have
you. But we it was me and three other investigators, and we had
investigated this place multiple times. There were there was various activities from you know,
name calling and being woken up in the middle of the night, and
you know, intelligent spirits communicating with them, some good if you will,
or some you know, harmless, and some that again I say that they
had an agenda, you know, because you know, you usually when there's
spirits in the house and you want to say, you know, you want
them to go away. It's kind of like an unwritten rule that if you
say firmly and you you know, reclaim your house or reclaim your property and
say, listen, I need you to go. You're not welcome here,
you know, go ultimately, And for the most part they go, but
there are some that just don't want to for whatever reason. So in one
particular incident that I'm remembering is that this all began with a mirror. And
I don't know, a lot of people may not be familiar, but mirrors
are portals and pretty pretty good ones too, And never never phase two mirrors
in front of one another, because it makes for habit. Yes, yes,
so there was some know, trauma in this house with children or this
apartment with a couple of children in the closet. That's what we were gathering.
We were able to find some information when our researcher was, you know,
collaborating with the articles and with past owners and things like that. So
we do always have a researcher on staff too, you know, because you
never know, do Yeah. So there was long story short as best as
I can, there was a really nasty, nasty spirit. I don't use
the word demon, I don't use the word evil. I just it was
a nasty, powerful spirit and one of the few that I encountered that was
this powerful. And basically we were kind of ceiling. I was starting to
seal and close the mirror so this entity couldn't come out and cause any more
havoc. But as I was doing it, and I was about at tart
to say, but I do it energetically, like you know, you seal
and you close the mirror. And as I was doing that, this figure,
this guy, he was very tall. He had a hat on.
I don't know what it is with top hats with some of these spirits,
but he was he could be considered like at least six foot tall. Now
granted I'm short, but he was tall and thin, and he was really
nasty. So he comes from one end of the mirror to the to the
middle and he goes, don't you dare? And I said, and just
it took me back and from what other people were saying as they were watching
me do this, it was almost like a pushing match in the mirror as
I was literally ceiling closing the mirror and this spe it trying to get out.
So it was it was crazy. It was If I didn't experience it,
I would think, yeah, right, you know, I mean,
but it was crazy. It was really one of the more I gets scary.
You know, I usually never get scared, but that was pretty,
uh, intimidating. It really was. You never found out who he was.
We never did know. We didn't. We had some EVPs and but
we could not exactly pinpoint. You know. We have some theories but nothing
concrete. And it was ostensible to think that he might be able to just
go find another mirror to come through. Well it's possible, I mean,
not that mirror. But again, what's you wonder like, what's in that
realm in the world behind them? Right? You know, it's it's it's
crazy when you think about how vast it could be and how how much we
don't even know yet. New Jersey Spirit Hunters at one point when we were
still the Lady Ghostbusters because it was just a bunch of women. We did
an investigation in Washington at a home and the woman had been experiencing a bunch
of things for years. But one of the things that she was most fearful
of is that the angry spirit that lived there liked to try and push them
down the stairs. And the whole family was aware of it, so they
were careful of it. But now she was getting ready to rent out the
house and a young family was coming in, and she was really concerned that
they wouldn't believe and take it literally and not be careful when someone would get
hurt, especially a child. So she had us come in and sure enough,
I mean, I'm privvy to these things before we go in, and
I don't let anybody on the team know what I know, because I want
to make sure that what they're finding out coinsigns with what I know. You
know, you don't want to know, find and buy ahead. Hi,
It's a great way to collaborate because then you can really verify information. So
I didn't tell them, And of course when we did the investigation, the
spirit did try and push down and the spirit in life was a nasty person.
So we do know. I think we can both agree that if you're
nasty in life, you're nasty and death that's did you take your personality with
you? And so this guy was shitty. He was a mean person and
didn't like anybody that was living in the house. So we had a team
member too at the time who was able to do what you do. She
was able to cleanse and clear and lock and all that stuff. And we
often thought, because the home was in a section of Washington where where there
was a bunch of track houses that one looked just like the next, we
often thought, well, what is it if he just goes into another house.
I was always really curious, and no one's ever come from that neighborhood
to say, hey, you know, I've read your book and now he's
in my home. Always wondered if that's a possibility, you know, because
you really don't want trying to protect everybody, but you can't always protect everybody.
So now that's a valid that's a very valid point. Who's to say
that it's not going to go next door or down the street, you know,
if there is, you know, if there isn't any kind of restriction
or you know, whatever is placed on them. You know, I don't
know, it's it's a good point. Are you still doing paranormal investigating yourself?
I am as of now. I think it was last year. Excuse
me. Last year the New Year's Ghost Hunter Society had finally I called it,
called it quits and kind of bandaged. But I'm still doing investigations.
You know, I do really enjoy I know this sounds odd, but I
do really enjoy the hospitals, the prisons, the asylums, just because they
are just so fascinating and full of just a variety of energy. Yes,
not always positive or good, if you will, but it's in a lot
of trauma is involved in those, but it's just it's amazing on an energy
level, you know. Sure, Now, haw's your passion for forensic pathology
and psychology ever led over to your paranormal side, like leading to evidence or
participation with local law enforcement? No, not nothing for me personally, you
know, or professionally, I should say, But I do like to go
to I guess if there's any kind of not a crime scene, but history
of some traumatic event, and you know, try to investigate and see what's
going on, so like historically, if there was something that happened that was
traumatic, Yeah, I do like to investigate that. You'd be surprised what
you can come up with. One of my readers turned me onto the Rockport
train work, which is incidentally somewhere near you over there, and I wasn't
even aware of it when he told me. I'm like, I never got
through the hill. He's like, yeah, you should check it out.
And I'm pride myself on trusting my gut, so I had this feeling I
should just take us there to the site and see if we can pick up
anything. It ended up being one of the best investigations we've had, and
we went back three and four times after that first initial one because it was
so active. The place was still so active. Yes, yes, we've
been there before, and we actually went on the anniversary of Oh did you
Yes, we actually ran the anniversary and it was it was pretty pretty profound
there. We got a lot of good evidence, and different members of the
team corroborated some of the information that they were unfamiliar with that seemed to again
seemed to coincide with a lot of the history. So it was it was
pretty cool, and you know, you don't expect it to be. It
gets accurately excited. You're like, oh my gosh, let me ask you.
Did you have a spirit messing with the light the railway light, that
thing you know just for the listeners when you go over track it goes ding
ding ding ding and the lights come on? Did you have spirits messing with
the light. No, we didn't. No, I guess you did.
Yeah, at one out of the four investigations, we did. And uh.
At first we were all just walking on the tracks when this happened,
and we thought, oh my gosh, there's a train come and get off
the trucks and well off the tracks and were like, where's the gosh darn
train. And that's when it started. And it just continued for the whole
time that we were there. Was really really cool. And then we went
back. We tried to have it happen again and it didn't. I think
it was all right. We're tired. We tried, you know, getting
you first time. Now I'm done. But one of my members who had
been there on his own previously, he had said that that had happened to
him, so I think it might happen occasionally whenever the mood strikes that particular
spirit. I don't know, but it was really cool. That's interesting because
maybe again we could always form as many theories or you know, ideas about
what we think that is. But is it something intelligent that it is trying
to protect people on the track or is it residual in that same respect of
trying to protect people. Well, funny that you should mention the first point
about somebody there trying to protect the track. We did because we had mediums
that were there that were able to speak to spirit. In fact, one
of them picked up a bunch of names and we ended up comparing it to
the original manifest and those names were on the manifest. So that was really
really cool. But we did connect the spirit, and off the top of
my head, I can't remember his name, but he was one of the
men on the train, and he said that he was there to make sure
that nobody would get hurt on tracks anymore, even though the tracks itself now
are just I think they're not Passinger oriels anymore. No, he did make
it a specific point to tell our medium that he just wanted to make sure
that no one got hurt on the tracks anymore. And then when he realized
that we were understanding that he was communicating with us with the white to continue
throughout the night up until the point when we were saying now goodbyes, and
he did it again as we were leaving, like as a goodbye. It
was. It was just unbelievable. And then on another occasion when we went
back, we got residual audio of a steam engine you know how it goes
right? Yes, that's pretty wild. It was crazy. And the girls,
obviously when they were recording it, they had no clue because they were
they were trying to reconnect with the male spirit that we had connected with the
previous investigation, and they weren't weren't able to and this was happening. And
when they went home and they listened to it, it was like, oh,
my gosh, I can't believe that happens. So things that you least
expect are going to happen happen exactly. You know, when you were published
in the anthologies Ghostly Tales from America's Jails, what was it that you had
to share in that particular story. The NJGHS New Jeers Ego Center Society used
to do a lot of our certification training at Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia,
and we would have the place from give or take nine ten pm to easy
to three o'clock in the morning, all to ourselves. Wow. So and
that place is just phenomenal. I mean just historically it's amazing, but paranormally
it's even more fascinating. So the one story that I had told that for
that book, I was outside with a fellow investigator and I'm are you familiar
with Eastern State at all? Yes? Okay, so you're familiar with the
Nickel Center, and then there's different cell blocks that are down like the spokes
of a wheel. Yes, okay. So we were outside one of the
spokes or the cell block not in the center, and outside at the end,
and I was changing batteries to my camera. Yes we had cameras,
you know, back before all these cell phones and everything. So I was
changing my baties and the other investigator was with me, just kind of hanging
out, and we were hearing in the cell block that we just had come
out of not too long ago, footsteps and a flashlight was going back and
forth almost like let's say, like a guard, you know, was walking
down the hall with the flashlight, just kind of checking on things. So,
but we didn't know what it was. We thought it was an investigator,
you know, no problem. So and they're going kind of fast,
so you know, investigators were going slow, you know, we're checking out
things. And but so we thought it might have been one of the guides
there that worked at Eastern State or volunteered at Eastern State. So we were
about to basically meet him at the entryway. So we got our stuff together
and he was coming up the hall. We heard him, we saw the
flashlight, and as we were coming around the corner to get to the entry
we were basically going to meet up and I was going to ask some question.
I had gone nobody there, Nobody ducked in the cell some of that.
In fact, those cells at that time had the chains on them.
But still we looked in the cells, we looked, it just disappeared.
We thought that was really really cool because we saw the flashlight, we heard
the footsteps and nothing. So I thought that was really cool. I really
enjoyed that one. I got to get really excited. You really do know
a lot of people don't realize that paranormal investigating can be quite boring. I
mean, yeah, we're socializing with one another, and we're both off with
each other and really enjoying each other's company. But for the most part,
you could sit there for several hours and have nothing happen. So when you
do get when you do get that little morsel, and if it's a really
good one, you get so excited because you do you can really experienced this
and it happened, and there's no denying it. And somebody else is going
to say to you, oh, that's such bullshit, but you know what
happened. I don't have to convince anybody, but it happens. So one
correct exactly, it's but you're right, though a regular investigation is on the
uh on the spectrum boring. In fact, you know you're sitting there,
you're doing EVP, you're you know, regardless if it's daytime, nighttime,
because you know, you can get activity during the day. It doesn't have
to be all dark. It just helps with other senses sometimes when it's dark,
but you don't have to. But yeah, boring. So that's why
whenever something happens, I get so excited. And that's a classic misconception too
to the public. They think it only has to be at night. They
don't realize that this shit goes on all the time. I mean, I've
been in cebinaries in the middle of the day and they had stuff happened,
and it's steadily. Cemeteries are great for people out there that are just looking
to get started. Just go to an old cemetery and be open minded.
You can try just old traditional methods to get you started. And just take
pictures in threes one two three, one two three and go home and have
the patients to sit there and go through all those pictures and you would be
surprised what you have caught on camera. You're very You're very true. In
fact, you're very right. In fact. One thing again, the nagah
just did we use our little cemetery hunts to help train other people too,
on basics of equipment, on basics of investigation, because they are they tend
to be, you know, for the most part, active but calm,
and I know you know what I mean by that. Yeah, yeah,
So they're all living, living, living in the dead world. This is
there. It's it's a living people. I worry about that they're intimentaries exactly.
Well, you know, I'm all about respecting spirit. I'm there for
them. I'm there to acknowledge them and try and get whatever message it is
that they want us to hear. I don't like to antagonize them or disrespect
them, And I really don't like it when people do. I really know,
true, I agree, and you don't provoke them, you know.
Besides the whole disrespect provoking is if you don't even know what you're dealing with
sometimes and if you keep provoking something, you know you're gonna get more than
you asked for, you really will. What are your thoughts on all this
newfound equipment that's been coming out, because I know you started back in the
day when you were just using regular cameras and recorders and there wasn't no digital,
it was analog. Yeah, you know, you would use a tape
recorder, you know, with even an external mic would be a fascinating thing
because you know, it wouldn't pick up them mechanisms of the of the device,
you know, and sometimes we even had I picked up a lot of
things on a disposable camera. I kid you not, I believe you.
I believe you. Yeah, so you and I do feel even now like
I like to just use the traditional methods of downcing rods and pendulums and even
just a simple flashlight because it does work. They do work. You really
sometimes don't even need this other stuff. So I don't know, what do
you feel about it? I think, I mean, I don't know.
I haven't watched the shows in quite a while. In fact, I really
kind of always stayed away from them. But so I don't know what new
devices are really coming out, but I've seen people use I guess these rempods
or you know, yeah, and spirit boxes and all that other stuff.
Sometimes it just gets too much that you've go back to basics and you should
go back to that time where sometimes your intuition is the best and all your
senses are heightened, you know. I just sometimes think sometimes too much is
just too much. I work with a variety of people that do different things.
I have people that just come in and don't use anything because they're so
sensitive to spirits that they can come in and they can just zone everything out
and just tune in spirit. And so we'll go with somebody who may have
rempod being in another room, and somebody else will be using their pendulum and
or dowsing rods. So you know, to each his own, but everybody
knows what works best for them, you know what I mean. I like
to use my pendulum in dowsing rods. I can't. I'm not as good
as any of the people on my team, and I don't claim to be,
but I am sensitive enough that I know stuff to a degree. And
then when we're all together, you know how that energy works when you roll
together, putting the pieces of the puzzle into one place. It just makes
for a really good turnout. But I'm not good with some of this new
found equipment. I just don't care. I'm just not good with it.
No. No. The one thing that I just yeah, one thing that
I really did use that I found amazing because I never used it before.
I was actually at the Sun Inn. It's in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and
that place is known to be very active, and sure enough it is.
We've gotten a lot of evidence there. However, yes, yes, however,
I'm sorry. What's the history. Do you know what the history is
behind that building? I don't remember now, it's been quite a long time.
It's been so long, but it is. It's the sun and in
Bethlehem. I recommend it look it up. So the one piece of equipment
that I used for the first time and was blown away by was the parabolic
microphone. Now I know what that's used for in general, you know,
with private investigators and things like that, but to use it on a paranormal
investigation was amazing. We heard, I heard in real time a spirit answering
somebody's question. And I've never heard of this equipment, so could you just
tell us? Yes, okay, So it's called a parabolic microphone, and
what it is is like a device that's around it almost looks like a small
satellite dish kind of thing, and we could you could attach it to recorder,
which we had a recorder going at the time, so you could attach
it to that, and you have headphones. So what it does. It
picks up frequencies that you're that a human ear can't normally hear, so it
picks up those frequencies. And then if you have the headphones on and you
had the recording going, somebody asked a question and there was a woman who
replied, and I was floored, and I told them, who are you
know? The people I was with, And I said, you know,
go ahead, keep going because follow it up with another question because there was
an intelligent response. So that was amazing. You didn't have to sit and
listen again play back. It was in real time. It was I had
not experienced that since, but that was something I'm not going to forget.
Wow. Yeah, you mentioned that your many adventures with New Jersey Ghost Hunters
Society has taken you to many places. Do you have any other good stories
you'd like to share with us tonight? I would yes. So I don't
know if we all love Gettysburg, don't we? Of course yes, So
Gettysburg, of course, historically and paranormally is a great place. So one
thing in particular, I was saying at the Farnsworth Inn, which again is
one of the more well known I guess hotels, but everywhere there is active.
I think if you go to Gettysburg and not have an experience, something's
wrong. So in this particular event, it was a weekend event. We
had like a dinner and investigation that evening with Mark Nesbitt and a friend of
mine who were going to stay with me. She couldn't come, so I
stayed in the room by myself for two nights. And it was the Long
Street room, which is not even in the main hotel part of it,
or the main bed and breakfast. It was in where the library was at
the time. I haven't been back there in a while, so I don't
know if it's still set up that same way. But it was the long
Street room and the bed. I have to explain it this way. The
bed has bedsteps. Now, granted I'm only five to one, but I
had to really jump even on the bedsteps to get on. It was a
huge bed. So there was a couple incidents that happened that first night.
You know, I heard some marbles in my room. I don't know,
couldn't see anything, didn't think anything of it. But I was also five
months pregnant with my first child, and I was hoping to connect with the
midwife spirit that was supposed to haunt that place. So I had a little
motive there, you know. So I was sleeping on the bed on one
side of the bed and having trigger trigger items. That's exactly what I was
doing, exactly, And so unlike the beds now where they have like memory
foam or hybrids on a regular mattress, if a spring mattress, if someone
sat on the bed on the other side. The bed would go down right,
you know, it would lean in right. Well, I was ling
sleeping. Somebody laid on the bed next to me and it went in.
So I say she because it was a female energy. She was touching my
hip. So I was facing the other way. I immediately woke up.
I went wide awake, and I turned my face to see I'm like,
okay, I feel I feel her. I sent her, let me see
her. So I turned my face and I couldn't see anybody. I saw
the indentation. I felt her against my body, but I didn't see her.
But I felt comforted, if that makes any sense. And you knew
it was her somehow, I did. So I thanked her for just sharing,
you know, herself with me, and and I hope, uh you
know, I'm I'm staying here. I'm not causing any problem. But it
was very comforting. So I uh, I just it was amazing. I
loved it. Oh that's cool. Yeah, have you gone back to Gettysburg
again? Since yes, I had. I had gone back and one experience,
if you'd like to hear it was in triangular field or triangle field,
I would love to hear it. Okay, So are you familiar with Triangle
Field? I'm not, no, okay, So you know Devil's Den,
yes, okay. So when you go to Devil's Den, it's a one
way or at least at this point in time, it was a one way
road to kind of exit. And as you're exiting up on the as you
go up and around the hill, there's a big field with a gate and
that's Triangle Field, and there is so much activity there. There's so many
issues with electric batteries, things just not working anymore, you know, that
whole phenomenon. Sure, And so three friends of mine and I this was
after a ghost conference in the MLS in Gettysburg. The one friend stayed in
the car because she was scared. So we were teasing her and saying that,
well, you're going to be alone. They're going to come after you.
You know, we're just teasing her. So myself and two other people
traveled or you know, ventured into Triangle Field. And you know, sometimes
the grass is very high because it's not you know, maintained, it's natural,
so it was pretty high, and it was night. It was like
two o'clock in the morning, even though it's not open then, so it
was like two o'clock in the morning and we're walking and as we're walking,
we heard a musket. Now, when I say musket, I mean I
go shooting. I'm familiar with shotguns and rifles and guns. It sounded like
that powder, you know. How do you know what I'm talking about?
Yeah, I think I kind of understand what you're saying. So at first
we were like, you know, we were saying, oh, it's probably
just a what do you call it, a reenactor, just messing around with
us, you know, because it was nearby, so we said, okay,
well, we'll just keep going toward it, because that's what we do.
We go towards the things instead of running away. So we're going toward
the sound that we heard. And as we were getting further into the field,
we heard it again, but with this time we saw a flash and
it was literally about fifty feet in front of us, and all three of
us saw it. We were shocked. Now, so to us, we
kind of had the conclusion that maybe it's someone still fighting the war and they're
afraid. So we didn't replay the constant exactly, so we didn't want to
step on any toes. We apologized, We said, oh, listen,
I'm sorry that you know, we're not trying to frighten you, but we'll
we'll go back now. But we saw the flash fifty feet it was crazy
and of course where's all of our equipment in the car? Yeap, doesn't
that always happen in the car. But again, it happened to me,
and if it happened to someone else, I'd probably be like, yeah,
right, you know, but it's you know, personal experiences are invaluable,
they really are, absolutely, and consider earlier. We don't need to convince
anybody. We're in it for the shear joint, for ourselves. And if
somebody likes to listen to a story and wants to hear it, that's fine.
We're not interested in whether you believe it or not because we know what
happened. So exactly right, you're right, any stories closer to home?
Let me think here, yes, actually right, well, I don't want
to say where, but where I live, but close to me in Hotel
Belvidere in Belvidere, New Jersey, where they have like grands. Yeah,
okay, so it's right next to the courthouse. It's it's called Hotel Belvidere
it's changed hands a few times. They have current new owners. I don't
know how receptive they are. I'm interested in talking with them. But the
owners before them, they let us in on an investigation and it did not
disappoint. Did you go down into the basement where he had the yeah,
the horse shield, the original Yes, we went down there and there so
they know. They used to go down there after our hanging, and they
used to auction off pieces of the news, all right. So yeah,
and he really was trying to make a nice venue down there. The owner
previous, he was nice man. But yeah, very active down there.
Huh what active? Pretty nasty stuff down there too, if you had a
lot of the Yeah, there was one particular guy that kind of like followed
us out almost the point that I actually wanted to run up the stairs,
which I've never felt that. And it was just very, very crazy.
So that's one thing that you know, I wanted to do. But we
got We caught ev T's like crazy intelligent residual. We caught various photography.
Oh one thing we caught, Oh, this was amazing. This was your
typical analog video recorder and in the attic that's my dog running around. I
apologize for that. I'm all right. I have dogs around here too,
So don't feel bad, okay, no problem. So in the attic,
we caught a video of a fire. And when I say it was a
video, there's nothing there. Then all of a sudden, you see a
ball of fire just undulate, all of a sudden, getting bigger, and
then poof, it was gone. Nobody was up there. It was the
strangest thing, come to find out ahead there was a fire up there.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. I remember him
mentioning that there was a fire up there. Yeah, and didn't you didn't
you say something about you were there with the television crew or something at one
point. It wasn't very a reporter that was with you an investigation at a
time at the Belvedere. Yes, oh, in Belvidere, we didn't have
a reporter. I didn't have a reporter with me in Belvedere. We've had
it in other investigations, you know, private residences as well as you know
public establishment. Mm hmmm. Yeah. It might have been somebody else that
I spoke to. They had said that something happened when they were there,
when there was a reporter there, which is kind of cool if it did,
because then that makes the reporter a believer. Okay. I was actually
at the Charlie Browns and Hacketts Town with Laura, had a coffin and we
were interviewing, doing an interview live, and the reporter experienced something there and
she was blown away. Yeah. See, that's great when you can make
a believer out of somebody who is influential in that way. Yeah, not
this past Halloween, but the Halloween before that, we went on an investigation
at the library in Oh my goodness, Bread the heck was that. It
was in Bluten, I believe the Bluton Library, Yeah, the Holmes Library.
And we brought along, we brought along a reporter from Channel eleven,
and I mean we had stuff happened, but he wasn't truly convinced. I
mean, like, the fans started going and nobody touched the fan stuff like
that, and the sensitives that were there were happen. Stuff happened, but
it wasn't anything that actually happened to him that he would say, yeah,
I know that it happened. But he also spent a night in the Emityvillehara
Home with the wars bent back in the day, and he didn't have anything
happened when he was in at home either, So it's kind of I like,
can you tell the listeners how they can find you in case they're in
need of a clearing or cleansing. Sure, so you can find me on
Instagram. I'm under room flyer three five seven and I actual I do witch
tips on TikTok and that's also room flyer three five seven. That correct,
room Flare three five seven. Yep, I'm gonna have to find you too,
room flyer, and I'm very Let me double check on the Instagram because
I think let me just confirm yes, Instagram is room Flyer two thirteen.
Okay, because it's not coming up on three five seven open two room flyer
two thirteen. He here you are. I found you. I just followed
you. Thank you. You're welcome. Well this was really fun. Thank
you so much for joining me today and telling me about your adventures and stuff
over the years. No, you're very welcome. Thank you for having me.
I know we talked about this for a while. Well, you're in
my books, so it made sense to have you on the show. If
I could catch you, I say, you can I introduce Can I introduce
a budding starting of a paranormal investigator? Absolutely? Go right ahead. Okay,
So over here, she just walked in. This is my thirteen year
old daughter, Hi, and she is fascinated by the paranormal. In fact,
she has her own gifts and own talents that she embraces. I's embrace,
she's embracing them. I apologize my dog one more time. Your daughter
is embracing her gifts. She is, she is wonderful, and she's trying
really hard to make sense of everything and to understand it better and to use
it for the best way she can. But she loves investigations and she wants
to start going on some more. Oh that's great. And you know what,
there's nothing better than having a supportive mama who knows which way to steer
her in which direction, and how to teach her. Because I've seen just
from interviewing people over the years that those people who have had that support in
their growth are so much more adept and in tune than we were they not
to have somebody supporting them or helping them. So I wish you really well
in your endeavors. Yes, honey, it was nice to meet to you.
It was nice. We need to have a good night ladies. Thank
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