The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen.
Good evening, everyone, Welcome back to the Paranormal Project Radio Show. My
name is Scott Allen. Excuse me, I am here with the very lovely
Christina Bowen. How are you, my friend? Good to see you again,
and great night's good to see you too, Scott. That's good.
We have two very interesting guests tonight that we're going to chat with. They
bought a home many years ago to raise their family and kind of walked into
a nightmare. And you know, we've all heard the stories about Amityville,
the Amityville horror, the family that moved in and get chased out. I
don't know anything about this. We're going to find out tonight in real time,
but it sounds as bad as that, except that they weren't able to
leave, and so there's a lot that has gone on in this house,
and I'm anxious to bring them out and have a conversation. And you know,
I know there's some people here in the audience, and we'll probably get
a few more as we go on with the show. Feel free to type
in the chat wherever you're watching from and ask questions and we'll see if we're
able to answer. So i'd like to welcome to the show, Jay and
Elka from the Enfield Demon House. How are you? And thank you for
joining us. Oh we've got one more there too. Hello. Yes,
so we're doing great. Thank you for having us on the show. There's
gonna be a real tree. We got some really good surprises to talk about.
It's a lot of history, a lot of twists and turns. It's
just one heck of a ride since we've been here and ask many questions.
I mean, we, like I said, we've been here almost eighteen years
and we try to get out four times and we could not escape from the
house. Well, maybe we can go back to the beginning. I know
you told me yesterday your twins had not been born yet, and you had
bought the house. You found it was affordable, you got in, what
was what was? How soon after you got in did did things start to
happen? I would say that, well, the warning signs were already there,
But we, like I said, we believe in paranormal. Elca was
seven months pregnant and there were like little warning signs like the day we were
supposed to move I had like twenty people lined up to help us move in,
and it rained, so so it was so it was so god awful
hobby that everybody canceled. So the following week we were going to move in,
and my uncle died and I was I was renting a house off my
father, and we already had planned, so I couldn't even go to the
funeral. So I'll even back up a little further. When we were looking
at the house, the gentleman gave us a keys to the house to take
a look at it. Like I was saying, you know, when we
looked at the house, the reason that we kind of got persuaded into it
was because the owner had put all brand and new electrical in, all brand
new boilers, brand new roof, brand new windows, and he said,
all the all the big ticket items are done. All you need to do
is sheet rock, plumbing. He goes, you can turn it into whatever
you want to. And so we came back and we looked again, but
now on the third time, and so we're all, let elka happen,
because it happened to elka. We met here, we had two separate vehicles.
We met here, and we looked at the house and she said,
you know, can you really do this? She goes, you're working sixty
five hours a week. She goes, you know, you don't have a
nine to five job. She goes, you're always on call twenty first seven.
She goes, can you do it? Of course we're men. We're
like, okay, I'm superman. I can do it. And so we
came back the third time, and that's that's when things when we realized,
as looking back, we shouldn't have bought the house and go ahead, OKA,
tell look, this is the part. Well, one thing, we're
still building. It's kind of like the winter. We still have the hallway
left, but other than that, everything is done. Yeah. Anyways,
we were ready to leave, and I have to say, I don't really
have any feelings or anything, but I hated that house. I never wanted
that house. So I had a hard time to try to to accept that
did we really buy the house? And so I was to one last one
who coming out and locking the door. He was already outside, and I
went on the porch down wanted to go out, And be honest, I
can't really remember what happened, but all of a sudden, I feel like
kind of like someone pushed me, because I kind of like my arms went
out and uh and luckily I somehow I stumbled down. Yeah, she was
seven months pregnant when this happened, and I fell. I kind of like
rolled down the sidewalk and want my arms set on my stomach. So this
was kind of like the first thing when he said there's someone in the house.
Someone pushed you, and I'm kind of like I locked the house,
so I don't know what could that be. So well we left it kind
of like, well, I was an incident. We didn't pay much attention
to it if that could have been something, so we moved on on that
one. N Yeah, so yeah, because what I heard as I'm walking
over my vehicle, I heard Jay help me, and I saw her arms
go flying like somebody shoved her. So as I'm running to the house,
I got one eye scanning in the house because when you fall, your hands
will always go out. You can get tripped under trace. It's a defense
mechanism. But when I saw her arms go like this and I heard her
yelling for help, I saw her stumbling. Now as I'm running to her,
I'm trying to save her and the babies and I'm scanning the house that
I'm like, somebody's in the house. Someone just showed my wife and I
When we left it, drove to the hospital and I'm like, what is
going on? And at that point I a house. I wanted to take
my vehicle drive drive it through the side of the house because it just I
never it was just really weird. When we got through that, we got
to the hospital, her and the babies were okay, kenzy. So what
happened next is we ended up moving in. We got everything settled in,
and it started out, well, we should go we should have sent the
warning signs because the day where we were signing all the papers at the lawyer's
office and the guy said, well, we need a twelve months ahead of
house insurance and I'm kind of like, yes, I'm out because I said,
I'm sorry. I put every single penny I had I don't have it.
And the former owner who sold us the house said, oh, no
problem, I'm gonna pay you. That's my my housewarming gift. And you
paid a year of twelve hundred bucks right out of his pocket. So on
the way out he heard him saying to his lawyer, thank god I get
rid of this house. So he didn't hold me that at the beginning.
Then he heard that we got the house, so yeah, sod it didn't.
It didn't take long. This is uh we got in. It was
we signed the deal in September of six. Matter of fact, it was
September twenty eighth of two thousand and six. And we by the time we
moved in, because we didn't just come in right away. I brought in
the team of all guys and the trade fields that come in and we worked
then. And even my brother came in to help me. Oh can't you
get over here if you weren't born yet, So I don't know why you
want to come in right now, So come on in, So come on
in. So anyhow, and we raced around o'clock. And as now as
we were getting ready, my brother, like I said, he passed on.
He was an ex It was six to two. He was a big
guy. So we were both former military. But we both had experience,
you know, things that we don't talk about. But all of a sudden,
as I'm standing down the floors, I said, Cliff, and he
said, don't say it. I said, it looked like somebody bled out.
I said, someone died here. I said, you can see it,
and he's like, don't say it. So we're trying to sand out
the bloodstain and more we sanded it was it was. It was embedded into
the floor, so he had a triple coating polyra thing over everything. Didn't
want to tell her about that. It was pretty scary. So these were
like little things. But we weren't looking for a ghosts. We weren't think
that. We were just trying to get up, get in the house was
other babies. So my brother we worked, like I said, around the
clock, got it livable and moved in, and then then the weird things
started. Like I said, it was testing us, and we had no
idea what we're going to be in for. All of a sudden, we
went now on Black Friday shoe I was Black Friday shopping and we bought a
first digital camera. And so I came home from work and I was getting
ready. She wasn't taking me out for my birthday, and we already had
the Christmas tree up. It was already December, and I'm looking at the
tree. I'm just taking pictures like this. I'm going like this, and
then I noticed all of a sudden, this big white light was on the
Christmas tree. So I'm like, oh, that's some type of a reflection
from the ball. So I took a second one. But now the ball
moves over to the wooden blinds, so now I'm playing with it, and
I as I brought it closer to see the image, then I realized this
is not funny. There was a man's face, his hair was parted in
the middle, and he's staring right at me, and the or but whatever
you want to call it was right next to his cheek. And I reached
up and I was wearing a baseball hat. I said, well, that's
not me. I was thought it might have been some kind of like reflection,
and I told her about it. Let's not go there, not go
there. So we went out, and a couple of months went by,
Christmas came, we went out, the babies came, and we were heading
in for what's supposed to be a beautiful year. Here comes twenty two thousand
and seven, and then then we went out. The babies were born premature,
and what happened was Elka got sick, really really bad, and we
rushed her to the hospital in Northampton, and so I was between running to
Northampton to visit her, running to Bay State Medical and Springfield, mass and
work in sixty five hours a week, and then trying to take care of
the house. So what happened next is I went to go pick her up
and I said, we got to talk. We have to have a serious
talk. Because she had no idea what I am about to talk about.
And I took our to dinner and I said, hey, I think you're
gonna tak I'm nuts. And she had no idea. She didn't know if
I was gonna say I'm divorcing you, I'm leaving you, because I was
really serious, and she said, I said, I don't know how to
say it, but I said, I think there's something in the house.
And she's like you you know, it's like a relief came out, which
goes you too. Because when I when I went back to work and she
was a home home alone in the house, I didn't realize it was messing
with her so bad. It was playing games with her. Go ahead,
I could talk about how you would feel like someone's coming behind you. The
things the babies weren't here at the time, but the things that were happening.
Yeah, kind of. It started like the noises the dogs went off
and there was no reason for it, or staring in the corner. Then
it started kind of like get it rammed up. It started like little things
and then it went to I got from my baby shower a lot of clothes,
so I was washing, washing, and and a couple of times did
I put everything in the dryer and coming down and the dryade was open and
the stuff was outside after tryer, And I'm kind of like, I said,
what, Yeah, so this kind of don't usually have like a locking
mechanism. You have to really yank on him. They do. It did
have a locking mechanism, so and I'm kind of like, n that's something.
And I still didn't believe. So I'm kind of like I started joking
around, saying, you know what, the next time, can you please
folded at least and put it in the basket doing that. So, but
I didn't kind of like went to him with it because everything when I said
that the dogs go off or something weird happens in the house, he looked
at me kind of like, I I, well, I didn't look at
you like that. It was I was trying to figure out what was going
on, because what would happen would be I I I would go to work,
I would get a frantic phone call Jay, get home now. And
at the beginning, when she was on bed rest, she called me and
said, there was a giant dog in the house. You got to get
home. So I thought, oh my god. So I came flying home
and she said it seems huge. She goes, it's about a three hundred
pound dog. So now as I'm listening the way she's describing this animal,
I'm thinking, Okay, maybe she because being pregnant hormones. I don't know
what's going on. I look for a dog. But at the same time,
I'm thinking, you know what, it's an old house. I'm thinking,
well, maybe there's tunnels, maybe somebody's squatting, maybe there's something wrong.
I cleared the house, I checked everything out. There's there was nothing,
and I would keep getting phone calls Jay get home now. Now what
she was talking about was she went downstairs to get some baby formula. Should
put the clothes in a drawer and it locked. It was one of those
big ones from the lows, and she said when she put it in,
she had this weird feeling, and she says she's not sensitive. She's very
sensitive to this stuff. She's very modest. She turned around and where the
boilers are was this giant black shadow man and she took up up ran up
the stairs, and that's how I got the second phone called get home.
Someone's in the house. So I came home again. I cleared the house,
not one living soul in their So now I'm scratching my head. So
I decided at this point, I called up the local church and I said,
father, can you come over and do a house blessing? And he's
like, sure, can, I'll be going this date. So I didn't
realize he was walking over. So he was walking on the street. So
I met him and I told him, I says, father. I said,
oh, I think there might be something in the house. And he
said, like a bird, chipmunk, squirrel. What are we talking about?
I said, well, my wife. You know, I blame it
on her all the time. My wife thinks somethings a house. She was
like. He stops and he's like, well, like what I said,
you know, like ghost, And he looked at me. He says,
there is no such thing as ghosts or demons. He goes to mister.
But he goes and I will prove it to you. So we get to
the house. He meets Elka. He throws holy water. He goes throw
a hole in the whole side, and he said, see, hey,
there's nothing here. I said, father, we got to go next door
on this side. So I had table. Saw his head set up.
I got wires hanging down. I'm doing wiring and plumbing. And he says,
I'll go to the house. So he goes to the house. He
goes upstairs, and at the time the attic was opened, I had sealed
off the attic now because I had to make I made two rooms up there
for the kids. But he goes up the now on the attic door,
there was like all kinds of dead bolts, locks, everything, and I
could never figure out what are they trying to keep in or out of the
attic. So he goes up. He opens them all up. He goes
up all confident. He takes three steps up and he freezes and he's staring
at something, and I'm looking at him and I felt like call him him,
like who had father? Are your chicken? You know? Go ahead?
And he's looking He takes one step back and he takes he goes one
more step up, and he said, you know what, I'm gonna bust
the staircase and he throws holy water over it. He backs down. He
never turns his face off the staircase. He backs down, gets out,
slams the door, bolts it, runs down the stairs, runs out,
gets to the door, looked at me, totally frantic. He said,
ignore, it will go away, and he takes off. So Alca's like,
where did the priest go? She goes, I have I'm making things
for him. So that began our nightmare, a nightmare almost into hell.
It was. Things got ramped up and I went down to the town hall,
and this is how I got all my information. I met this really
beautiful woman on her her name was Colleen, and she worked at the department.
And I went in there and I was going to handle it like an
investigation. I said, I want a list of everybody who owned my house
all the way back. And I said, I want to know who was
in my house, and so she said, so she starts going through papers
and laughing at joke and me and pulling out things. And now I noticed
that they're getting older. You know the books are getting older. She says,
you know it's a dollar a copy. You say, I know,
she was gonna get quite expensive. I said, that's okay. I said,
just keep going. So she stops and she says, she sits back,
and she reaches into her neck. She pulls out a very old keptic
cross and she kisses it, and she says, is there something you're not
telling me about your house? And I'm like, dude, dude, right,
I'm like, I'm like, well, you know, I think we
might have possibly a ghost. She goes, you think. She goes,
we haven't got out of the twentieth century yet. She goes, a lot
of people have owned your house. And she says, you know what I'm
gonna do. She goes, I'm gonna write down on a piece of paper
which I have. I'll show you, Scout when you come out. I
have all this stuff where she writes on everybody's name, and she says,
I'll let you know. She goes that thing that's going on. So weeks
weeks we go by, and again i'd get a phone call at the office.
You know, hi, he says, Colleen. I go over.
I closed my door and said, hi, you Colleen, what's going on?
She goes, You're not gonna believe this. She goes, you know
so and so, I don't want to give too much. Invarians of Scots
Coma, she goes, I don't want to mention naything, but there was
a mass murder at your house. I'm like what. I'm like, what
are you talking about? She goes somebody. I won't mention names. I
want Scott to She goes someone in the nineteen twenties. She goes, left
your house, went down the street and committed a bunch of murders and came
back and killed himself. So she had access also to the death record,
so she got hooked on. It's like a soul propers. As she was
finding things out, she was pulling people's deaths or ticketfits. So that's how
we know a lot of stuff. So I'm looking. So we're like,
what is going on? So we go by. She goes, well,
you know those people I told you not to worry about that. They lived
there from from the nineteen sixties to two thousand, and you told me Jay
that they probably had a long, happy life. She goes, they didn't.
She goes, you got to get out of the house. She goes,
there's something really bad about that house. I said. She goes,
I'm going to keep looking, and she got all the way back down to
eighteen forty six and then she says, I can't find anything else. She
goes, maybe the house was built by somebody in the family. So as
we were looking, we realized a couple of things started popping up. Numbers
that stood up was a lot of twenty two's, a lot of elevens now
those dates cour signed horrific events in the house. So as that's happening,
I decide that year we had the babies are home, spring was coming somewhere
was here, and there's so much information I loved, get every over and
whatever. I can't. But one of the main things that happened was we
were outside and if you look at the front of house, we were making
a dry river bed to make it give some some like some some like character
to the house. So all of a sudden, we're out there. We've
got the doors open, we got the we got Mackenzie and Courtney. There
were babies. We have baby miners on him. We're up there, we're
laughing and joking and we're placing rocks, and all of a sudden, I
hear this man's voice, Hey did you buy this house? So I look
up and there's a man about eighty five eighty seven years old. He's got
a cane, and I'm like, yeah, I thought he was gonna welcome
as to the neighborhood. I'm like, yeah, you know, I thought
he was say yeah, my name is so, and so I lived next
door. He says, you should never bought this house. He goes,
this house is evil. He goes, you gotta get out, and I'm
like, what a way to welcome in the neighborhood. So I was baby,
yeah, yeah, and a lot of stuff we can kind of back
up with some evidence, but a lot of stuff were just like fantasy Island.
So we start talking. He said, when I was a little boy,
he said, I would walk by the house, and even the language
he was using was out of text. He goes, when I was walking
by the house, he goes, I want to have a playmate, And
he says, there was a little boy in that window up there, and
I would wave to him. He would wave back. After a while,
he said, he stopped and as he waved the boy way back and he
said, he goes, I beckoned the boy. He didn't say, I
called the boy, and I beckoned the boy to come down, and when
I did, his face turned into a hideous creature. He said, I
dropped my school books and I ran home, and he goesaid I got in
the house. He goes my father, He goes, they were all we
lived in an old Italian neighbor would wait down the street and I'm not mcn't
say sorry, buddy. So he says, as I walked in the house,
my father's like, oh, you want to play hooky? You know,
you don't want to go to school. And that's what he thought,
because that's how strict the parents were. And he's yelling monsters, monsters,
and his grandfather's like, what are you talking. He goes at the end
of Prospect Street and his grandfather said, wait a minute. He goes,
when I was a little boy, he said there there was a story that
goes back farther. He said that a little boy came running out of the
house screaming, and he was this is a sad part. He was hit
by a horse and buggy. His father came out, picked the boy up,
brought him in the house and the boy died. So I called the
city hall all right, and I said, hey, I need you guys
need your I we kind of like still worked when the man told the old
man told us this, and all of a sudden get quiet. So we
both looked up and the man was gone. He was gone. He was
both sides on the street, and I'm kind of like, where where did
he go? I mean, he had a cane. I said, he
can't go that fast. So we thought, first maybe he looks really close
by and he just took off, and but it didn't. Said well,
so I asked all the people in the neighborhood, there's an older man here
with the cane. Does anyone know the name of this of this gentleman?
And everyone said nobody. Let's see it like nobody knew who he was.
He just vanished out of the air. Gone. So going back to you,
you're calling Colleen to find out I had asked. I had asked the
gentleman. I said, you know, do you know the boy's name?
You anything? I'm trying to get some information out of him. And he
said, well, Petersons something Parsons. It began with air p and I
said okay, and like and that's what I was saying. All of a
sudden, it was like, I don't want to say a time lapse.
All of a sudden we looked up. He's gone. So we're looking.
I said, someone this age and and and his health with a cane isn't
going to run. He's not gonna sprint. So I'll go, like I
said, went around. She got to know all the neighbors, and everybody
said, that man that you're describing, we never see them. Man,
nobody walks the street because everybody in the neighborhood they watch out for everybody over
the years. So I went to Colleen. I said, I need a
name. I said, Peter's Parsons, anything partially anything Again. I get
a phone call from I'm at work. I closed my office door and she
said, is there is a guy. His name is Sean, a Scottish
guy by the name of Shamboul Parsons. He owned your house in the in
the in the early eight fifties. And she goes, here's the weird thing.
She goes, I see of a little boy, but every time I
go back to send it to you, she goes, I can't find him
no more. She goes, I can't find this little boy at all,
because I know I've seen him. So she said, I'm going to make
get everything goes out. So when she sends me the whole list, I
see the house bought, soul bought, so eighteen forty six bought, so
bought. So now here's the weird part, Like it's not already weirder.
The first guy, Kenzie, I don't know if you can reach in that
box and get me that paper. The house gets sold by a guy by
the name of Henry Graham Thompson in eighteen forty six. Now the Thompson,
it's like Smith everything else like that. Now the name of this part of
the town is called Thompsonville, Connecticut. So we just figured okay, And
as we started looking at him this year, we found out he was the
son of the founder of Townsonville, Connecticut, who started other carpet mills.
He sells the house to a gentleman by name of Horrace Abbey in eighteen forty
six. And this all everything has to do with twenty twenty two. So
comen shifted. This is the paper of the people that owned the house and
only goes back to forty six to where we bought the house. So in
eighteen forty six, Henry Graham's Townsend sells it to Horace Abbey and he sells
it news it is on May eighteen forty six the house gets sold to that
guide I was talking about shamboo Parsons on the twenty second a May. Now
what happens to Horace Abbey? He dies in the house and guess what day
he dies? February twenty second, eighteen forty nine. He doesn't even have
the house more than a couple of years. Now, Sham who parson comes
in. He buys the house right thinking it's him and his son. His
son dies, so then he turns around on he buys it and May he
gets rid of the house, sells it to a guy. But then William
Tate, he sells the house, gets to what day he sells it on
the twenty second of September. He has it from May twenty second to September
twenty second. Now William Tate, guess what happens to him? He thinks
he's gonna have a nice house because at the time this area was very a
wealthy area. Poor guy, he only has it for four years. The
house gets he dies, the house gets sold to a William Lydell, and
that's a whole new story. So you can see eighteen forty six, eighteen
fifty one, eighteen fifty one, eighteen fifty six, and then a guy
buys it and then we find out more about him. So as we're digging
into this, we just at first there's names of people that own the house.
Colleen, she's a superwoman. She goes and she starts digging on these
people. And without her, we wouldn't have ever known this. So she
starts looking at how they died. The little boy was he was pretty much
almost wiped out because of horse and buggy, she said. And she tried
to give me the paper, but she can't find it nowhere. But then
the first guy he dies in the house from sable hemorrhaging. Then the other
guy dies, Yes, you'll see a lot of heart attacks. Boom he
dies. So now as this is happening, were having our own experiences.
Now now we're, like I said, we're in two thousand and seven,
and now we realize we got some kind of problem. So we call up,
we look in the yellow Pages, we start looking online. It's not
like there's a lot of paranormal communities out there, So I had reached out
to a couple of well known groups that are still out there, and a
couple of guys. One of them they lived in Suffield. They were two
college police officers and they were they had a team. So we talked to
him. He goes, okay, you know, he comes over. At
the time, my sister was alive, and so they split up with the
women and the guys and they went over in the living room and all of
a sudden, you hear the woman going, hey, you know, I
can't remember their names, like Jeff, get over here, and he's like,
no, get over here. They watched there was a big banana plant
pot like this that was maybe about four feet tall. They literally, as
they were talking to my sister and Alka, they watched the thing slide across
the floor right in front of them, and they're like, did you see
that? While we were in the dining room, Elka had this party like
birdcage. It was a candle. When you walked, it kind of moved
with vibration, but it looked like somebody took their hands and was going like
this, and they're like, did you see that? So they're like,
we have more than enough information. We'll be in contact. Boom. They
never wanted to come back. We got another team come in here. They
come in same thing. They walk up, they see this shadow person right
in front of them and they feel this awful breeze. They're like, they
took pictures. They're like, they called me up. They sent me the
picture. They said, what is that black thing hanging up in your up
on the thing? I said, I don't know, maybe a sailing fan.
He said, We're we're really busy guys. I'm sorry, but can't
come back. So Coleen had called me up and she said, I know
this this at the time. He was a young guy. Hopefully he's listening
right because we're all young back then. So he she said, he just
start of a paranormal group and have him come over now. At the time,
this gentleman's name is Matt, and Matt had no idea what he was
going to get himself into. His first investigation came over. He's like,
it was no longer because I'm not really sure. But when he came back,
I was working upstairs and he comes over for a couple of coffee and
as we're talking. You're here bam smashed and I'm like, uh no,
He's like what I said, I'm I'm redoing the baby's room just because of
it. They were still in our room. They were still still over on
babies, and I said, he goes, what was that noise? I
said, I hope my fan didn't get thrown out the window because I said
up, I'm a sheet rocking up there. I'm trying to blow all the
dust out. So we run upstairs and nothing, there's nothing. So now
my bedroom door is shut and I'm like. Matt's like, did you shut
the baby's door? And I said no, So we try to open up.
Now there's no lock on the door. So Matt is trying to turn
it and he's like, Jay, somebody is holding the door back and the
children in the room. The kids are in the room, and at this
point, I'm like, these are my kids. I said, stand back,
Matt. I'm going to run and I'm gonna go right to the door.
I'm going to breach the door, like oh, I used to be
talk. So I'm ready to go breach the door. I'm gonna throw my
shoulder into it. It's a Luan door. You heard this like ping.
It was like a high pitched bell sound like somebody took off like almost like
a fine crystal and hit it. When it happened, the door blew open.
Mac goes flying across her room on the ground. He gets so,
he looked around. He goes, you know what, I don't have experience
in this level. But he goes, this is no ghost. He goes,
this is something far worse. He goes, we checked the babies.
My daughter Courtney woke right up. I tried to get McKenzie up. It
was like she was in some kind of like I don't know, she was
in a deep sleep. We finally got her up everything. Then we started
noticing and I had taken a picture, and I would be telling Elka.
Because Elka worked in the medical field. I would call her up and say,
hey, the baby's getting scratched, and she goes, I don't get
it. She would come home the scratches would be gone. So now I
got my little handy dandy did the camera. I just bought right, So
now I take a picture boom right, because there's three like little scratches down
Courtney's leg. So when Elka comes home that night, she says Courtney's fine
it. So I get the I get him, you know, processed on
the computer. I said, look at it. She goes, oh my
god. So this started ramping up. So now we're seeing. Now we're
here. Now we're seeing things lever Tate. We're hearing scratches banging on the
walls, and Matt's coming over, and all of a sudden, this one
day I'm working at the kids got him up. Nep Alca comes home from
shopping. Matt comes over because he has a whole bunch of evidence he caught,
he had video, he had everything, he had caught. He goes,
your house is really messed up. So he goes over to show us,
and then upstairs he's here a smash pow so alka. I said,
ala, I've just been up there. She goes, she runs up there.
I said, Matt, go go with her. And I hear them
boat yell, Jay get up here now. So I go up there and
I'm like, what the heck does happened? Here? They had a little
Winnie the Pooh lamp and a small little kinder Opera light bulb. There's a
glass all the way down the hallway. There's a glass everywhere and I'm looking.
I start freaking out. I see bloody handprints climbing up the baby's crib,
and I'm like, oh my god, check Corney out. Elka grabs
Courtney. She looks at her, She does a finger sweep in her mouth.
There's no glass, no cuss on her hand. I said, it's
gotta be Mackenzie, Mackenzie nothing. So now it's like, oh my god,
where did the blood come from? Under the mattress? Everywhere? It
was such a small light bulb. And so how long ago was this jay
about? How how many years ago did that happen? In two thousand and
seven around the follow early on. Yeah, So as this is happening,
guys, I'm gotta watch the time because I can talk this one thing like
I'm like a somebody said, because I was told like a Native American,
I mean, and I always believe in like a living history. I keep
everything and I can tell you details. So Matt's like, this is something.
He goes, I've never encountered this. So he's like, I gotta
find out what's going on. So as things are going on, Matt's getting
involved. So now Matt's getting called out one time, Matt's like, I'm
not afraid of this thing. He goes, We're going to find out what's
in this house. Once in fall, we gave Matt the keys. Matt
was coming back. It's stumped him. He's like, I don't have this
type of experience. He goes, if this is a demon or something.
He goes, but we're going to find out. Because it called his name,
well we thought it called his name, but we're not sure because it
yelled. At one time they had he had a camera up in the attic
that was open at time, and Matt said, did you get insulted in
any way when Jay invoked the name Jesus Christ? And at first he was
here with a medium, and first he didn't hear it, and then all
of a sudden he hear it is loud, yes. And then the attic,
the small little cubby hole door. He caught it on camera. It
blows open, something comes out, you can hear something walk around. Then
it goes back and closes the door. So now as this is happening,
we don't know what's going on. Matt has a medium over the two thirty
in the morning. We hear Jay, elka open it or please wake up,
open it or please open the door. Hurry up, hurry up.
They're frantic, and I'm like, what's going on. The Medium's like your
house is completely something's awful. Matt's like it called my name and it came
after us. So as we're talking now upstairs is vacant, and you hear
with heavy wooden boots, something came down the attic stairs, walked into the
big room, walked around and we're all listening. We're like, we're thought,
this is that We're all gonna die. He walked around and then it
came down the stairs, boom boom, boom boom, and it got to
the door Matt. Matt's face was drained. Mike was just sitting there.
I'm like looking, I'm just ready for like a firefighter. I'm waiting for
something to come running through our house. And Alic was like, what in
the heck is that? And then all of a sudden you hear something walking
around and then you hear it go start going back up the stairs, like
whatever came down was looking for Matt and looking for his medium, and who
knows what would have happened if they didn't get over a house. What this
thing could have done to them. So now we opened the door like a
almost like a Nancy Drew mystery thing. We opened the door and we're listening
to this thing go up the stairs. And then Matt's like, you know
what, don't go in. We don't know what's in there. So finally,
you know, we're all huddled like Scooby doo. We opened the door
and you hear this thing go back up the stairs. Nothing was in the
house. So now MAT's like, you know, he's still he's still trying
to find it. Then he tells us we found out through one of the
at the time, like he was like, he wasn't on demonologies, but
he worked with severe cases and he contacted the sea if the stories are true,
and Matt said, don't get involved in his house. He says,
it will change your life. And his name was Bob Baker, and he
told Bob he said he had one of his investigators over and she was wearing
a cross and she was brand new in the field and when she left,
she was robbing her chest and kept robbing and Matt's like, what's what's going
on? He goes, my chest is burning me, Matt, And Matt's
like, said, check out your check it out. Make sure she the
cross that she had lily burnt into her chest and made a sign of the
cross for our thing. So Matt is like, I'm not going to give
up on you guys. He goes, but this is something he goes,
I've never encountered. So at the time, we went through some more investigators,
a lot of investigators, a lot of is So then we had a
call in from CPRS called it was called Connecticut Paranormal Research Society, and the
two guys that were there, they were awesome guys. It was Orlando Fronte
and Joe Franks, And so Joe sent Orlando up with the team and Orlando's
he's witnessing lebtation. He's winning all this now, this is in two thousand
and eight. He gets Joe. He goes, Joe, you got to
come out. He goes, I don't know what to do now. I
didn't realize that Joe was best friends with Lorrain and Ed Warner, that he
worked with them in the late eighties and nineties, and Joe's an awesome guy.
They were all awesome guys. So of course the day that Joe shows
up, nothing happens. Orlando's like, I'm telling you, Joe, this
is not a Joe. So the whole night not one peep, and we're
all waiting. We're like, come on, show Joe, you know,
show him what you can do. So Joe says, I'll be back.
But now this time Joe was really good. He doesn't announce what he's gonna
do. Who. Orlando says, Joe's coming up. Make sure you guys
at home. Hear's all of that. Make sure he guys at home.
So they show up and there are a whole army of people. There's an
ordained minister, a camera woman, a sound guy like I said, or
everybody, Orlando and him. Now Orlando gets on his headphones and he's got
this one. He's listening for sounds. He has a medium and the medium
starts to channel right away, a Scottish woman, another person, and Joe's
trying to figure out what's going on. So now Joe finally gets He gets
upset because Orlando says, Joe, they're saying, there's many of us here.
They're this and they're saying weird thing. So Joe says to me,
he to the guy who's channeling who what's your name? It won't tell him
his name. So Joe said, you know what, do something. He
goes, you're not impressing me last time I was there. He goes,
you won't do one thing. He goes, are you afraid of me?
He goes, I'm a big guy. He goes, my five year old
son can blow out a candle. You could make a pensil. Move because,
do something. At this time, the medium grabs his arm and starts
biting his arm, and I'm like, bravo, I said, what a
great theatrical play. I don't. I have a hard time believe and stop
right. But all of a sudden it changed. He's biting so hard that
he's almost tearing his arm off. He blood's coming out of his arm.
It took his own arm on arm. He had no pain threshold. So
now Joe runs over, and you know, if you know Joe Fink,
he's not a small guy. He grabs the guy's arm. Orlando gets the
other guy's two more people. It took five or six guys to get the
guy to stop biting his arm. It's like the guy has superhuman strength.
So now Joe gets really upset. Joe says, you know what, So
he goes, you want to pick on women and children? Orlando, at
this point makes the most fatal mistake Andy paranormal investigator could make, and he
grates it to this day. He still won't come over to the house.
What happened to him? He challenges this thing. He says, why are
you picking on women and children? Why don't you come and pick on him?
I won't say it. I don't want to get screwed with. And
he said, Joe, I aft up. Joe said, yeah, you're
dead. He goes, maybe nothing will happen earlier. You know, he
goes, but you should not have said I slipped it, waited a year
and went after him with full vengeance. You know, that's a whole story.
So what happens next is Joe goes, go ahead, do something this
time. Joe's like, I want to see what you are. Well upstairs
in the in the baby's room, there was an ordained minister. There was
a camera woman. And the only reason I mentioned her weight like you hear
before, is because what happens next. The woman is about five feet tall,
about two hundred and thirty five pounds, and she says, taking pictures
everything. So when Joe goes to raise his hand out, you can feel
the house energy, you know those things. I said, Joe, don't
pick on his thing. He's like, no, no, He goes,
We've been in this field a long time. All of a sudden, as
he goes to say do something, you hear wam and you hear his Bloodthurson
scream, Joe Orlando, anybody please help me. So I run up there,
like you know, I try. I want to be the first out
there. I want to see what's on. I see this poor woman laying
almost down the staircase. People don't realize that when you see my staircase.
We had the doorjam here and if she and I just I realize it years
later. She was not intended to hit the door jam. If she went
any further, she would have hit the wall and went down the stairs and
probably died. It picked her up like six to eight feet, their ordained
minister. When I looked at him, he was standing with his tippeetoes against
the wall. His face was like this, and I'm like, what happened?
Tell me what really happened? He goes one minute almost said her name.
I can't say that. But one minute she's standing there. He goes,
next minute, I see her levertating off the ground and throwing and he
goes, I have never seen nothing like that. So Orlando goes, you
got to make the call, and Joe goes, I know, I said
what call. So they go downstairs, and of course we have landlines and
Joe has on speaker. He calls Lorraine Warren and he says, Lorrain,
my dear sweet friend, we need you here. And she says, tell
me what's going on? Joe. He says, we witness a laboration,
scratching, biting. He goes, my meetum almost bit his arm up,
and he goes, we need you. You got to come out. She
was on standby and she said, wait a minute. She goes, you're
not telling me everything. She goes, what there's something important that you left
out. Aren't you telling me? He said, uh, Lorraine, He
goes, so and so was picked up like a rag down and thrown on
the hall. There was a moment in silence. She says, Uh,
tell the family. I'm truly sorry. I cannot come out. I will
not put one foot in that house. She says, I'll talk to him
over the phone, I'll do what I can do. And they begged her.
They said, please, please, They said, this is something really
rare. Something is not right here. She said, I'm sorry, I
will help you guys, but she goes, I will not put one foot
ouse to the day she died, she went to ans Nuntuck Committee to college
down the street and feel she talked, but she would not come in anywhere
near this house. And I, as I'm looking back as we started,
I found a text where I was talking to Orlando and I said in the
text it says, I said, what did Lorraine say? Well, she
thinks, he goes, I just talked to her. She thinks there's a
demon, a powerful one. She goes, I'm gonna talk with Tony.
So all these years, Tony, everybody knew about it, but they refer
to this case is a case that Lorraine wouldn't come out. Last year,
Dan came out with Chris, and Dan's like, hey, Chris, this
is the house. And he says, wow, house. He goes,
this is the house. He goes, damn. Well, he goes,
what are you telling me? He goes, this is the house. You
hear Tony talk about that this is the only house that Lorraine refused to come
out to, and Chris is like, oh, I got you. So
yeah, Well we have about nine minutes left. So I just want to
make sure I'm telling you like like the story I could go on, but
I am actually going to be at the house on Sunday and you and with
Matt and so we will have to have a follow up at some point on
this. But I wanted to ask you what is life like because you're still
there, what is life for you like now in this house? Well,
well, I guess we'll answer for me. It's like almost being in a
war zone. It's calmed down. That one entity we believe it is God.
It's not that bad anymore. That one entity we believe left in twenty
fifteen. It came with a high price from a guy who came up here
to get rid of it. It almost killed him. I guess there was
a deal struck where if it stayed, if if he stayed out of the
if he stayed out of the field helping people because he had a special gift.
And I'll tell you really quick, but kind of what happened. The
guy came out, They paid for the whole trip to help us out.
The first day he didn't work. The second day it worked, so my
daughter kept calling up. His name was Jay Dodd and Jay Dot could talk
him. So finally Jadadd said, put your dad on the phone. He
goes, I can't help you anymore. What happened when he left and the
dream, this antity went to him and the entity said stay away, get
out of his field, stay away, And he said, I'm a man
of God. I'm not afraid of you. He said do you know who
I am? And j Dad said, I'm a man of God. A
week later he had a massive heart attack, and then the entity came back
in a dream. He goes, now do you know who I am?
So there was a deal struck. So since then, this one evil entity
has not come back, but the other spirits that were being suppressed here they
won't leave. And it's sometimes it's nerve wracking, it's cussed. Sometimes it's
really weird. The energy is sometimes really bad. Did you go somewhere and
then out of the blue you get so agitated. Did you really gonna start
kind of like fighting, kind of like almost like it once it did you
and then you leave the house and then you don't even know why you fought
that stuff kind of like and I feel bad because my kids, both of
my kids have I guess, I would say a gift. They see stuff,
so be playing kind of like a little bit musical around in the house
where we sleep. So my daughter usually she sleeps three different bedrooms, and
now we have a face again that she sleeps in the room. And now
she's on the couch again, so I guess something, So she moves around.
I switch around, so you maybe because she sees stuff and yeah,
that stuff, so it gives me. I don't know, I don't know
what it does, but I have to switch up. I go for my
bed and then and then I'll go to the couch and then I'll go back
to my bed. And then I had built two beautiful bedrooms in the attic.
I had closed them off with the kids because I got older. And
as soon as I put her upstairs in this room upstairs, she's I can't
sleep in there. She got talking about creatures and monsters and things. So
finally I built the other side over and my other daughter wanted that room.
As soon as she got in that room, it was, I don't want
to say, it was like an experiment. She started talking about creatures and
everything. So finally she was sleeping downstairs. And so finally when I had
the other room built, it was built for Elka. I made it into
like a nice cottage looking was beautiful, and it came out beautiful. And
what happened was I tried sleeping in that room. I couldn't. I end
up sleeping on my living room floor for about six months and on an air
mattress because they did not want me in the attic. So I ended up
redoing my bedroom over, resheet rocking it. And while I was resheet rocking,
I felt like I was in some other house because I was sleeping on
an air mattress while I was sheet rocking the ceiling getting the walls done.
And finally, when I got the room done, Elka came down. But
then Mackenzie she had a craft room. She was all happy. She took
the old small room, made a room and she had it filled. So
Mackenzie said, the only I want that small room, otherwise I can't sleep
in her room. So we pulled everything out, made the craft him upstairs
here for Elka. Redid that whole entire thing. Got the bet I made
for her put her up there, and it came after her. So now
she's sleeping downstairs on the living room and couch until something comes at her.
And this, this is not the demon. This is the spirits that are
there now, are still here. She still sees them in some some of
them, some of them are are human. They're human that they don't they
don't hurt you. The spirits here now, I don't hurt you. Even
the gangster from the twenties, he doesn't hurt you. He's kind of like
he's curious about you more. And I think he's trying to figure out what
happened because he doesn't know if he was murdered or committed suicide. Because later
on, I think he kind of kept pushing us to kind of find out
because I talked to his son before he and Sun filled in all kinds of
information on what happened. So when he's here, and if I start talking
about him, I'll start getting chills. And some people will actually hear him
walk in the door and it will set off cat balls and lights and you
can literally hear him once once in a blue moon walk across the floor and
you'll help come to the kitchen and like he's enjoying the conversation and so yeah,
this well, like I said, we tried three times to get out
of here, and every time we try to get out, something horrific would
happen. And I know we're short for a time. But one time,
the first time, within three weeks, I lost my brother, my sister,
Elka's dog. They die. We don't know how they died. And
then I find out that year my friend who was an attorney who was trying
to help us get out, we found out that October in two thousand and
nine, Mike was teaching softball in Avon, Connecticut and had a massive heart
attack and died. How do you keep people safe that come to the house
because they know you do have events. People come in and investigate what we
do. Well, it took us years to figure out. Right now,
the spirits that are here now, like I said, Jay Dodd took this
one entity away. So the spirits that we have now, they're human.
They lived here. So sometimes I tell them, you know, like when
I'm cleaning the house and say, hey guys, there's an event tonight.
Okay, stay on this side, don't come next door, you know,
and let them know they're they're trying to they're trying to communicate with you.
Let them you know, they're not here to harm you. Let them talk
to you if you can show yourself or whatever you can do to let you
know. They're trying to find out who you guys were, and you guys
have a story. This is your house. You passed away here. Let
them get to know you. And so far, no one's got hurt.
I mean nobody. I mean that entity is gone. But as soon as
if the entity ever came back, I tell the panelelm inveistigator, I shut
this house down, CeAl the door, and nobody can come in. I
don't want anybody getting hurt. But right now, you try to leave it
again if that happened, or would you stay at this point? Do you
think we tried and the last time we tried. I don't know. Probably
at this point, yeah, I would say probably in a better position to
say, or no, I would not say in a better position, but
I would I would not care about anymore if I would leave it behind.
Kid's almost grown, almost done at school. I don't want to say it's
a position to be, but it's just kind of like it would be probably
easier to say, you know what, I don't care if the house gets
yeah, and we're gonna go somewhere else. So I'm gonna I'm gonna talk
to you on Sunday. Reaching the end of the show and I have to
say good night. We have a hard stop, but I will see you
on Sunday and i'd love to have you back on again. Thank you so
much. Have a good night, everyone, Take care and thanks for watching.
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