1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,960 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is not intended for all 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:14,199 audiences. Listener discretion is advised. The whole time he's hitting me with a 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,559 knife, stabbing, he was looking at places to knife me to children, 4 00:00:18,679 --> 00:00:22,640 and he won't stop. Just got stabbing and stabbing and stabbing. He's gonna 5 00:00:22,719 --> 00:00:30,359 kill me. Hello and welcome to season ten, episode two hundred and thirty 6 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:36,320 six of Sword and Scale, the show that reveals that the worst monsters are 7 00:00:36,399 --> 00:01:06,400 real. Well, we have a new show. It's called Sword and Scale 8 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,840 Nightmares. In case you haven't heard about it for some reason. I don't 9 00:01:10,879 --> 00:01:17,159 know why, but you can only get it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and 10 00:01:17,719 --> 00:01:21,000 a few other places, but not You're on Plus. So head on over 11 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,280 there right now. It's free, you don't have to pay anything, and 12 00:01:23,400 --> 00:02:15,039 you can listen today. Have you ever said a prayer? Have you ever 13 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:21,639 avoided walking under a ladder to spare yourself a little bad luck? Have you 14 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:27,479 ever followed the guidance of your daily horoscoper taken extra precautions on Friday the thirteenth? 15 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,719 If you answered yes to any of these questions, then your actions demonstrate 16 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:38,680 the power of blind or unquestioned faith for better or worse. Our beliefs have 17 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:44,960 a tendency to drive some of our behavior, and it can often explain why 18 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:50,759 we do certain things. In many cases, this correlation between belief and behavior 19 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:55,520 is pretty harmless. After all, So what if you picked up that supposed 20 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,560 lucky penny you found on the ground, And so what if you throw it 21 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,199 in a wishing well and made a wish? Who is it hurting? Unfortunately, 22 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:13,719 not all superstitious and faith based beliefs lend themselves to innocuous or trivial behavior. 23 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:20,240 Some beliefs, especially when they are extreme, can be pretty dangerous. 24 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:27,080 An extreme belief might lead a person to refuse life saving medical treatment or deny 25 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:32,240 their children that same treatment. A strongly held belief might cause someone to develop 26 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:38,080 a deep hatred for another person or even a group of people. I'm assuming 27 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:45,000 you have Twitter follow me by the way at Sword and Scale. A hardened 28 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:53,080 and unquestioned belief can even provide someone with a justification they're looking for to commit 29 00:03:53,319 --> 00:04:00,919 murder. In twenty eighteen, fifteen year old Kyle Bancroft was with his mother 30 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:06,039 and younger brother at their home in the tropical balin Isisles community, a private 31 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:11,919 club in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, in the early morning hours of March 32 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,759 twelfth. Kyle was fast asleep in this bed when he awoke to the sound 33 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:19,000 of someone yelling Ray. When I woke up, I got out of my 34 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:25,240 room where I heard screaming. I'm not screaming, but yelling. I'm kind 35 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,639 of yelling yelling from the police officers. Okay, I'm like a PA system 36 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,800 or something. It no, no, from like they were in our house. 37 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:40,439 So there's like ten of them. After these loud police commands echoed throughout 38 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:44,120 his home, Kyle pulled himself out of bed to see what all the commotion 39 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,240 was about, and when he stepped out of his bedroom, he unexpectedly came 40 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:54,000 upon a chaotic and bloody scene. So I just stayed in my bed for 41 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,199 a minute, and then I went out. I went to the loft and 42 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:00,199 I saw my brother on the floor, and I how much of the blood 43 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,600 marks are stain marks of blood around it? And like, what the heck? 44 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:11,800 And then I'd look over and I see like punch a police officers and 45 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,040 they tell me put my hands in the air. Then they put me on 46 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,279 the ground and cussim. So you went downstairs. They said, come here 47 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,800 with your with your hands up, and then and then they've handcuffed me, 48 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:25,519 pumbing on the floor. And then Kyle told police that he found his younger 49 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:30,360 brother, thirteen year old Dane Bancroft, lying on the floor covered in blood. 50 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,600 Kyle could barely process what he was seeing before heavily armed police officers through 51 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:42,279 Kyle to the ground and handcuffed him. And where was his blood coming from? 52 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Like? What was his injuries? I didn't see. I only had 53 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,920 they a quick glance kind of So if you were to guess, was it 54 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,800 from his hand with his leg? Who was bleeding on him? I'm not 55 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:58,800 too sure. I thought I thought it was just like thoroughly, I'm not 56 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,600 sure, but to put blood? What was he doing? Was he there 57 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,160 was laying there? Was he like he's just laying there, face facedown, 58 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:11,920 facedown, not moving, but like as if he looked at he was sleeping 59 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,279 and blowed over the floor over him. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 60 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,160 I was going on. So okay, So you didn't hear anything or 61 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:25,360 saw anything prior to that, you will go up into the loft and there 62 00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:29,040 was somebody on the floor with blood. The last thing you saw was he 63 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:30,720 was on the floor and there was blood marks all over the place. Where 64 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,240 were the other kids? I didn't know where anyone else was. I just 65 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:39,680 saw my brother. There was, of course, a reason that police were 66 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:46,240 inside Kyle's home. Earlier that same morning, Kyle's neighbors had placed a frantic 67 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:51,759 and frustrated call to nine one nine. A moment the others the immergency on 68 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:59,680 beach Guards was battling out of myself. I do you know why? She's 69 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,720 bled? She says, somebody attacked him. But you got to get somebody 70 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:06,839 at quick. I called it Alan Niles. But then I hear you, 71 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,879 okay, I'm going to get help. Started that way, but I need 72 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:15,079 to know if there's any weapons or anything. She doesn't have any weapons. 73 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,399 She says there's a killer outside. I don't know what she's talking about it. 74 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,480 She's hilarious. He had a knife. He had a knife. How 75 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:29,199 long ago did this happen? How long of those has happened? A few 76 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,759 minutes ago? She's bleeding like crazy? You got I'm already starting to help. 77 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,360 I need to know what the person, what the knife is. I 78 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:40,759 don't know where he is. I'm gonna need more information from that female. 79 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:45,959 Can I talk to her? No, she's hysterical. Before the fifteen year 80 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:49,879 old Kyle found his blood covered brother Dane, lying on the floor, and 81 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:56,480 before the police took Kyle into custody, Kyle's mom had staggered to their neighbor's 82 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:03,519 house. She was covered in blood, bleeding profusely, and explained to her 83 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:11,000 neighbor that a knife wielding killer had attacked her and her son. Even worse, 84 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:16,399 she also explained that both of her sons were still inside the house with 85 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,680 the attacker. Lady, I can't let you talk though. It just sends 86 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,879 somebody. Can I get a description or anything of the person that had a 87 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:30,000 knife. No, she's dying over there's a murderer here. You gotta get 88 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:35,240 somebody who murder. I'm not being helpful. I need to get information for 89 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:41,399 their assistance in helping you, okay, And the killer is he going around 90 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,320 that side? Lady bleeding? Unemployed here? And you want a description where 91 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:50,000 bleeding from? We stopped at the questions and get some help here. She 92 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,840 ranged my belt. He's bleeding. He's a murderer. I saw like you 93 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:56,960 know these questions you're asking me ridiculously. I'm trying to get the information. 94 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,440 Hello, I love this guy. These questions you're asking me are ridiculous. 95 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:07,679 What the caller was probably unaware of is something that I'm sure most S and 96 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:13,679 S listeners like yourself already know. The reason dispatch asks all these questions is, 97 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,000 of course, for the safety of the officers arriving at the scene. 98 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,919 I mean, the hell with the person that's bleeding on the ground. Cops 99 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,360 don't want to get hurt. After the police and an ambulance arrived on the 100 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:31,919 scene, Kyle's mom was rushed to a hospital. While lying in her hospital 101 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,600 bed, she was able to shed some light on what had happened. Kyle's 102 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,399 mom told police that her two teenage sons had invited friends over for a sleepover 103 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,120 the night before, and after everyone went to bed, she awoke to the 104 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:58,120 sounds of someone moaning in pain. Because I heard really loud, I realized 105 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,039 he's coming from the lack. What do you guys blink? How did you 106 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:07,240 guys up? Why dood he so much noise? Step? I'm trying to 107 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,120 sleep on Stop? What up? To see what the matter was? I 108 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,720 started going up the stairs and what s up? He going upstairs? Up? 109 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:18,679 What's going on here. He shut down the stair literally, but he's 110 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,440 this big kid, and he just went down the stairs world fast with a 111 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,679 knife in his hand and started knifing me. What kind of a knife? 112 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,480 I couldn't see the kind of I couldn't make out the knife because it didn't 113 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,440 look like a kitchen knife or a pocket knife or you don't you don't know, 114 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,919 I don't know. And he's much bigger than I am. Kyle's mom 115 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:43,159 claimed that one of her son's friends had attacked her and repeatedly stabbed her with 116 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:50,159 a knife. Who knew sleepovers could be so dangerous. The only reason that 117 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,879 she was able to get away, and the only reason that she was still 118 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,919 alive, was because her son, Dane, had stepped in to fight off 119 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,159 her attacker or her He came downstairs and he said, my mom, and 120 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,279 he started fighting, which allowed me to get out of the house and god 121 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,759 Xtlore practically crawling and asking for help. I mean, I was leading all 122 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,600 over. I thought I didn't know what was going to happen. I was 123 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,360 just going to get help. How many stab wounds do you have? Quite 124 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,480 a bit? Why backer barely gets to their neighbors while all of this was 125 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:28,759 happening. Fifteen year old Kyle Bancroft remained asleep in his bed. It wasn't 126 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,600 until the police arrived that he woke up, walked out of his bedroom, 127 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:39,519 and briefly saw his brother Dane, bloodied and unresponsive on the living room floor. 128 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:48,360 Then Kyle was handcuffed and taken into police custody. So you have no 129 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,480 idea what happened today, So you have no idea where you're here. I 130 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,879 know why I am here? Why? I know why? Can you tell 131 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:56,480 me why you're here? Just to live? We make sure. I just 132 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:01,120 want to make sure that jordanstand where in your that you're talking to a detective. 133 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:05,919 I don't want to say it, all right, So let's let's assume 134 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,840 that I know what you're talking about. If you were to guess what happened 135 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:13,399 last night, what do you think? I don't like? So I don't 136 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,120 want to say. But it's very important that you say it that you We're 137 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,360 not going to make you repeat it budget sciense, when it's very important for 138 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,840 you to tell me that we can finish this and go along and go forward 139 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:30,879 in our investigation. As the police continued their investigation, they came to learn 140 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,159 that when this violent and bloody attack happened, there were five people in the 141 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,840 home, Kyle, Kyle's mom, Kyle's brother, and two other teenagers. 142 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:48,000 Kyle's mom had been stabbed several times, but she did manage to escape the 143 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:54,000 chaos and get to safety. Thankfully, after she was taken to the hospital, 144 00:12:54,039 --> 00:13:00,399 her condition stabilized and she ultimately survived the stabbing. As for Kyle, 145 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,559 he was taken into police custody and had somehow avoided being attacked at all. 146 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:11,120 Sadly, the same could not be said about the other teenagers that were in 147 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:20,000 the home. A knife wielding maniac had gone on a bloody rampage, fully 148 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:26,559 intent on stabbing everyone in the house to death as they slept at the end 149 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,519 of that rampage. Not everyone was lucky enough to make it out of this 150 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:56,240 violent and bloody nightmare alive. In the early morning hours of March twenty eighteen, 151 00:13:56,039 --> 00:14:01,639 police were called to a home in Palm Beach Guard, Florida, after 152 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,240 the mother of that home ran to a neighbor's house and explained that a knife 153 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:11,000 wielding murderer had attacked her and one of her two sons. After the police 154 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,399 arrived, several people were either rushed to a hospital or taken into police custody. 155 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,480 One of those people was fifteen year old Kyle Bancroft. Kyle explained to 156 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:28,279 the police that he and his younger brother Dane, had two teenage friends over 157 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,519 the night before for a sleepover. And you had some friends over, okay, 158 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,200 and that's it. There's just them too, and you and my brother 159 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,120 and all right. So they were staying over just for the night, one 160 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,440 night to a night some night, one night. So you guys are sleeping 161 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,200 over. They were doing to sleep over at your house. You guys go 162 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,440 out, Leslie, guys go somewhere. Where'd you guys go? It's nearest, 163 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:58,000 Look, but my mom packed gotcha. Earlier that day, Kyle and 164 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,919 his brother had been down town celebrating a friend's birthday party. At some point 165 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:09,399 during the celebration, Kyle got a phone call from a different friend, seventeen 166 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:15,559 year old Corey Johnson, and during this phone call, Corey asked Kyle if 167 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:18,240 he wanted to hang out all right, so he called you what time you 168 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,039 think? What was like for? So he was at Polish Fine stuff and 169 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,480 he said, hey, meet me at downtown twards and then your mom picked 170 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,519 everybody up into the take everybody to your house. Kyle agreed to meet up 171 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,360 with Corey and they both ended up at Kyle's house for a sleepover. Once 172 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,480 there, Corey asked Kyle's mom if he could take a shower. You guys 173 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,639 went straight home, Yes, on an apple. When you guys got the 174 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:50,639 kids upstairs. I was downstairs, but he asked to take a shower. 175 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:54,639 If I said, he can, take sure there's a towel there, right. 176 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,080 Did you see him come out of the shower? You know, I 177 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:06,320 was in I was probably on a sting. Took a sharer and went back 178 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,519 up to during the voice, okay, do you remember what was going on 179 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:17,000 or what was being said upstairs? Any changing anything between the voice? Nothing? 180 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,159 I don't be ordinary. See they will do all the games. For 181 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:26,000 Kyle's mom, there seemed to be nothing unusual about this night. It wasn't 182 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:30,799 uncommon for either of her sons to have a friend spend the night. They 183 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:37,919 had had many sleepovers before. According to Kyle, the same was also true 184 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,799 for him. This seemed to be just a typical night. We just hung 185 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:48,360 out talking with certain music. So, um, Corey is your friend? 186 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:52,879 Like, okay, you guys go to school to go to each other. 187 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,279 You're known each other since pre k and Corey has always come to your house 188 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,240 and visit you wherever you live. Basically, I mean, yeah, we've 189 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:04,079 done many sleep programs. Okay, so you guys were hanging out listening to 190 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,200 music and all that stuff. I want you guys went to sleep a moment 191 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,279 to sleep, and what happened after? And my mom wants to see I 192 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:15,920 want to sleep her online in the morning, only a few hours after Kyle's 193 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:22,240 mom went to bed, her sleep was interrupted by some strange noises outside. 194 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,880 At first, she couldn't quite make out what she was hearing, but she 195 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:33,200 knew the sound was coming from inside her home. After sitting up and shaking 196 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:40,319 off her disturbed sleep, Kyle's mom realized that what she was hearing was someone 197 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:48,000 groaning in pain. Concerned and admittedly a bit frustrated, she stepped out of 198 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,440 bed and followed the sound in an attempt to find out what was happening and 199 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,759 woke up. So I was in the first floor. I went to look 200 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,319 up about a lot it was. It was coming from the law Chaivanni's money, 201 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:06,519 and I said, what are you guys doing up there. It seemed 202 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:11,000 to be around four or five months really early in that mone and and I 203 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,880 said, what are you guys doing up? What are you guys playing? 204 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,279 This is what's going on? Why are you so loud here? I asked 205 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:19,680 him to court to sleep. What was going on with the planks of what 206 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:23,000 was going on into the end, Corey, So go back into your room. 207 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:26,000 We're going to go to sleep. I'll take care of this. From 208 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:32,720 the upstairs loft, Kyle's friend, Corey Johnson shouted down at Kyle's mom. 209 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:36,960 He told her to go back to bed and assured her that the moaning would 210 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:42,440 stop. Kyle's mom then headed back toward her bedroom, but the painful moans 211 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:47,680 only grew louder. Sorry, walked back to my moman, I capturing the 212 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:53,480 moaning louder Yeah, I ran up the stairs to see what was wrong. 213 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,319 Kyle's mom raced up her stairs towards the loft, but before she could see 214 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:03,640 what was happening, Corey lunged at her with a large knife and began a 215 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:11,799 full on, meticulous attack. As he began stabbing Kyle's mom over and over 216 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,640 again and just stabbing the neck. And there was a struggle on the stairs. 217 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:21,359 He was kept stabbing me. When I got too flour on the stairs, 218 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:26,279 he kept stabbing me and I was fighting him like Corey stop, Corey 219 00:19:26,319 --> 00:19:30,559 stop, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? And 220 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:36,799 I kept fighting him and then he got my foot. I fell through the 221 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:40,680 ground. The whole time he was hitting me with a knife, stabbing, 222 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,200 he would just look at me, stare at me. He was looking at 223 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:51,079 spaces places to knife me, to kill me. He hit me here here, 224 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,200 he wept from my heart. He was hitting me here. I was 225 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:56,720 hitting me and my arm I didn't feel like I could punch anymore. I 226 00:19:56,759 --> 00:20:00,519 was on the boy. I thought my arm was like just looking at contract 227 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,119 compare. I couldn't walk. He was gonna kill me and he won't stopped. 228 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,880 Just got stabbing of stabbing and stabbing. So you made it down the 229 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,000 stairs and he was still interacting with you. Did you make it back down 230 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,640 to the first floor? And I was fighting him on the stairs when I 231 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,240 was standing and I was trying to I was screaming at him like stop, 232 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,200 what are you doing? And I was fighting and I so you were loud, 233 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,720 Yeah, I was like stop, wherever are you doing? I mean, 234 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:32,400 I was loud, he was quite, he was he saying anything at 235 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,920 all, just focused on just killing me? And where did stabbing just quiet? 236 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:45,559 According to Kyle's mom, Cory's attack was methodical. Each stab seemed deliberately 237 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:52,000 placed, with the clear intent to quickly incapacitate her and ultimately kill her. 238 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,720 She likely would have died right then and there had her thirteen year old son 239 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:03,319 Dane not heard the commotion and then stepped in to fend off Corey. So 240 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,559 what made him stop attacking you, Dane? Well, when Dane came out 241 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:11,240 yelling, Mom, Mom, I think he said to Dane, I'm not 242 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:14,160 going to hurt you. I'm not going to stab you. The ming did 243 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:21,119 he said that? I think he's trying to get Dane after her night try 244 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:29,799 and then Dane bottom and basically Dane and Dane was fighting. Was that downstairs? 245 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,519 After Corey and Dane began fighting, Kyle's mom was able to flee. 246 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,480 She ran to a neighbor's house and frantically began ringing the doorbell and banging on 247 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:48,240 the door. Mom, Mom, Mom, And he just tapped him when 248 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,920 I was on the floor, and then they started struggling and moving in the 249 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,599 other direction. And corn wasn't facing me. I had just bottom my head. 250 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,279 You need to run and get help. And I got out the door, 251 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,680 and I had trouble walking, but I got there as best I could. 252 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,920 To the neighbor. The doorbell rang. I went to the doorbell. 253 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:14,960 I looked out through the glass and there was a woman slatched over the bleeding 254 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,160 from her arms of bloody, the lakes of bloody. I opened the door. 255 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,480 He said, what happened? She said, I got stabbed. She 256 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,480 said, my boys are there. I said, well, let me get 257 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,079 an ambulance first. Then I saw one of the boys. The neighbor called 258 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,640 nine one one, and as he waited for help to arrive, he saw 259 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:44,720 thirteen year old Dane emerge from her home. Dane had also been stabbed several 260 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:48,359 times and was completely covered in blood. Then I saw one of the boys 261 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,359 come out of the from the backyard. This is metal. What was he 262 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,960 wearing your member? He was so full of blood. I didn't see any 263 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,160 clothes on. He might have shorts on good. He had nothing on the 264 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,039 top or his arms from back there, and he was bloody from from where 265 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:11,119 blood his face, his back. He turned his back. He's full of 266 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:17,240 blood. After the police and emergency services arrived. Kyle's mom was taken to 267 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:21,799 the hospital. As she was being treated, she was questioned by the police 268 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:26,160 who were still trying to piece together what had happened and why. So, 269 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:32,440 from what I understand, they're trying to figure out right now because Corey locked 270 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:36,480 himself in your house or inside of bedroom, so they had to deal with 271 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:38,680 it for a little while to get him out. So so do you know, 272 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:41,839 I mean, what would have had Corey do something like this? Do 273 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,759 you I don't know what was everybody doing when you went to bed? Do 274 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:52,480 you remember getting ready to bed? So you don't know what happened or what 275 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,559 caused him. Was there any fighting or anybody arguing last night prior to going 276 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,920 to bed? Everybody to what was everyone doing when you went to bed? 277 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,880 They were upstairs. I didn't see anything on you. Have you ever seen 278 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:12,640 this side of Corey, like where he would hurt you or cos he's hasty 279 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:22,400 problems? Um, I guess he's just making comments about Muslim things and seventeen 280 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:29,519 year old Corey Johnson had recently taken up a very intense interest in Islam, 281 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:37,839 and according to his friend Kyle, Corey was extremely committed to this religious ideology 282 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,640 and then he apprecies every morning. I don't know what he says. I 283 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:44,400 mean, I've seen him many times to do it, but I just mind 284 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,480 my own business. And what is it consistent? So he has he puts 285 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:51,319 something now on a floord and what he does, what does he do? 286 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,240 He just I don't know. He just like the Muslim prayer. I don't 287 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,799 know, okay, I mean, what have you seen him do it? 288 00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:03,400 Does it look like like he kneels down? Yeah? Anyone else down gets 289 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:08,200 up? Crosses are different things and like whispers something? Yes? So is 290 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,759 it a different language? Yeah? And Kyle told the police that this wasn't 291 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:18,720 the first time that Corey had developed an interest and became committed to a potentially 292 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:26,480 dangerous ideology. Before practicing Islam, Corey had been parroting the anti Semitic and 293 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:34,039 authoritarian views of the Nazis. It seems that for Corey, any belief was 294 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:40,200 just fine as long as it was extreme. You said, you known Corey 295 00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:44,480 for nine nine years for something, and what do you think about him? 296 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,519 Uh, He's always been not always, but he's been off of time. 297 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,000 What kind off when you say off? What it like his police system something. 298 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,039 Can you elaborate on that? Can you tell me what? What? 299 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,359 What does that mean when you say belief system? What does that? What? 300 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,240 Do you refer to Arabic beliefs systems with Nazi belize systems? Or that 301 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:12,440 he used to believe Nazi Nazi He used to believe that he used to believe 302 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,759 in that. Now he believes in Arabic stuff, like what type of Arabic 303 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:22,559 stuff like isis? Yes? Yes? Does he ever try to get you 304 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,200 to believe the same thing? Yeah? He has. According to Kyle, 305 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,160 these beliefs that Corey had developed did not come from his parents or any other 306 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,400 adult. They were ideas that he simply stumbled upon on the good old, 307 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:44,920 glorious Internet. What a wonderful place it is. Does his parents know that? 308 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,720 Do you know his parents parents? Do they know that he does all 309 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,920 this stuff? That he's into the stuff? Yeah? It's a long stems. 310 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:59,640 Are they into it too? No? Just Islamic stuff, the isis 311 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,519 and all the stuff. What do you think about it? I mean I 312 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:08,599 don't agree with that? Yeah, okay. Kyle and Corey had known each 313 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:14,759 other since before kindergarten, and while they didn't always attend the same school, 314 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,359 they remained friends. When questioned, Corey also confirmed that he and Kyle had 315 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,839 remained close for many years. In fact, Corey claimed that Kyle was his 316 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,599 only friend. I can't imagine why. So he went to school together for 317 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,720 a while and then him. There was a place called a ABC. Honestly, 318 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:37,599 there was a daycare. I don't know it's still around. I met 319 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,160 a band. What are you in now? You're role now? Anyway? 320 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:48,279 I was in eleventh grade, duire, but I dropped out the Corey Johnson 321 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,160 had come from a somewhat broken family. His parents were divorced, and Corey 322 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:59,039 didn't get along with his mom's new boyfriend. Corey first drew concern and attention 323 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,559 to himself while in middle school, where he made anti Semitic and anti homosexual 324 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:12,720 statements and also admitted to holding beliefs similar to the KKK. By age seventeen, 325 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Corey had dropped out of high school, got a job as a grocery 326 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:22,279 store stock boy, and was living a kind of nomadic life, bouncing from 327 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:29,000 one bed to another nearly every night. When Corey couldn't find a comfortable place 328 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:34,039 to sleep, he'd usually spend his nights inside an old abandoned plaza. I 329 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,759 haven't let home about maybe a week or so. I've been sleeping different places. 330 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:45,519 Sometimes I slept it sunset where I got arrested, and sometimes I slept 331 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,240 One time I slept at my grandma's house, and all the other times I 332 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:56,799 slept it. I broke into this abandoned plaza. As he was being questioned, 333 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,759 Corey confirmed many of the things that the others had already told police. 334 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:07,079 He admitted that he actively practiced Islam, and that he had picked up this 335 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:14,880 ideology from things he had read and watched online. You practice Islam, you 336 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,720 follow it? Yes, to what extent fully? Okay, how does that 337 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,519 work? I'm not summary to go to a mosque. Do you contact somebody 338 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:29,000 locally when I used to go to a mosque? Maybe? So? Um? 339 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,680 You say, fully? What does what does that mean? As opposed 340 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,079 to like, uh, just dropping in? What's the difference. There's some 341 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,359 people that claiming to the muscle and they they just to the extent that they 342 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:47,200 maybe don't eat pork and they don't drink. I don't do any of that 343 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,759 time at best. So you read the Koran, you follow the tenants? 344 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,279 Okay? Um? Are you the only one in your family. How did 345 00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:03,119 you get into that? I got into it online. There are a lot 346 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,960 of things you can say about Corey Johnson, but you certainly can't call him 347 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:15,359 a liar. When questioned by the police, Corey was especially straightforward with them. 348 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,720 He told them all about his strongly held beliefs, and he also told 349 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:25,920 them that these beliefs landed him on the FBI's terrorist watch list. Well, 350 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:29,240 we used to play on a computer all the time, video games, and 351 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,640 we talked over the sky. We didn't we don't know what park O respection 352 00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:34,920 talk of the telegraphs. So I know our money. I was on the 353 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:42,640 FBI terrorist In October of twenty sixteen, Corey was investigated by a European counter 354 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:49,160 intelligence agency that believed that Corey was responsible for threats made to a high school 355 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,279 in England, which resulted in over a hundred people being evacuated from the school. 356 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,759 Soon after, Corey caught the attention of the FBI, who interviewed his 357 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:07,559 parents. Corey's parents explained that Corey was fascinated with dictators like Adolf Hitler and 358 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:17,000 Joseph Stalin, two horrible dictators that were diametrically opposed politically. The only link 359 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:23,279 being, of course, extremism. By March of twenty seventeen, the FBI 360 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:30,640 was closely monitoring Corey's Internet activity, noting that he had a swastika as his 361 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:37,000 Facebook profile picture and was sharing videos of a Noir all Alaki, an Islamic 362 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:45,720 leader who encouraged his Muslim followers to kill all Americans without hesitation. Awar was 363 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:52,680 killed in a US drone strike in twenty eleven, but his extremist, hateful, 364 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:57,319 and violent teachings remained prevalent even to this day, mostly due to his 365 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:04,000 fluency in the Englishish language and his I guess you would call it charisma. 366 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,119 You're a young guy. Why are you on The terrorists watch this because they 367 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,640 think I'm going to enjoy hiis. I think I got on the list because 368 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,839 I was just on you too. I was watching videos and I guess you 369 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:22,000 know any more lucky Yeah, yeah, I guess I assembled onto some of 370 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,759 his videos and then got her attention to this. After Corey started watching these 371 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:34,400 Islamic videos and encouraging violence and mass murder, the FBI started investigating him, 372 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:39,799 and they eventually ended up speaking with Corey's friend Kyle. They even warned Kyle 373 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,920 to stay away from Corey. The FBI tune in my house and really well 374 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:52,200 for me to ask me questions about Corey and then him that I don't know. 375 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,960 They want to say his house about a year and a half ago or 376 00:32:54,039 --> 00:33:00,319 two Okay, they told me like that I should he stay away from And 377 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,480 what did you say? What did you tell them? He's my friend? 378 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:12,039 Rooms. Despite the FBI's warnings, Kyle maintained a relationship with Corey, which 379 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,319 was a friendship that he would eventually come to regret. As for Corey, 380 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,920 he also didn't take the FBI's interest in him very seriously. He maintained his 381 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:29,519 extremist beliefs and continued studying the teachings of a War all all a Key, 382 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,359 while frequently sharing those teachings with Kyle. Do you listen to it too? 383 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,160 I listened to it when he's playing, which is how often I go every 384 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:43,480 day. Not okay, So when you guys sit there and listen to this, 385 00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,720 what is it all about? What are they? What are they telling 386 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,559 you? When these things they'd like telling you to go do things too, 387 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,400 infoothills and stuff like that. Yes, he's all into it, and he 388 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,279 told you that he wants to do what they tell him to do as seems 389 00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:59,119 I can't. Yes, And what type of stuff did they tell you to 390 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:05,640 do? Still? Kill? Yeah, okay, like how John's and nice 391 00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,679 okay? And did they tell you specifically how I use the knifecause there's different 392 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:15,239 ways you can stab right here, stab here and staff here okay, and 393 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,639 that's because of what what would that do? I think it stops you from 394 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,519 screaming here, locking, right, and then the final blue And there's a 395 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,760 lot of that. He was about that, right, I actually have seen 396 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:34,159 several According to Kyle, Corey had shared several videos with them, and many 397 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,440 of them encouraged violent acts against non believers and anyone who did not adhere to 398 00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:45,760 the Islamic faith. Here. They also don't like cartoons very much, so 399 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:53,039 there's that. Then came the evening of March eleventh, twenty eighteen. Originally, 400 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:59,599 Corey had intended to go to work that day, but decided instead to 401 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,199 call Kyle. When he made this call, Kyle was downtown celebrating a friend's 402 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,320 birthday party at a local pizza Rhea. Kyle invited Corey to the party, 403 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,800 and within an hour, Corey showed up. So let's get back to downtown 404 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,400 yesterday. You're there last last evening, right, we're so. I walked 405 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,000 from there because my bike us so I wasn't going a better word, and 406 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,880 so I just walked in downtown. We were mostly walking around. But it 407 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:31,679 was someone's birthday today. Were you invited or were they just invited you in 408 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,320 when you showed up? Um, they let me sit down and said I 409 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:43,440 they greeted me, and the parents at this birthday party welcomed Corey and invited 410 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:49,079 him to join the pizza eating festivities. Before long, Corey was also invited 411 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:55,119 to sleep over at Kyle's house with the other teenagers. Once there, Corey 412 00:35:55,159 --> 00:36:01,159 took a shower and began watching those extremist videos that he is so very fond 413 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:05,000 of. Did you guys watch some of that last night? Right? You 414 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,239 guys watched some of that? Corey was watching it. Cory was watching out 415 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,000 its on them like dude stoppling that. Please the other ones we were watching 416 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,559 it too. No, we weren't watching. It was more like listening. 417 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:21,119 As for the other teenagers that were at the sleepover, none of them took 418 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,360 much interest in what Corey was watching. I suppose that we're probably more interested 419 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:31,079 in watching trans women dance on TikTok. Kyle even asked Corey to turn that 420 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:38,320 shit off, but then Corey did and said something that should have set off 421 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:44,119 some alarms. That's one thing I dogree Roman was saying. And it was 422 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,920 like, I feel like stabbing something, okay, And what was it? 423 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,119 I don't know. So he was he was sitting there watching this Islamic thing 424 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,119 on his phone, then grabbed the knifes and I feel like stabbing something, 425 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:02,599 right, and he like learning vents after and you said put it away? 426 00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,119 H And you was it? Did you get scared a little bit? He 427 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,000 thought he was like just like playing around or he was he serious? I 428 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,719 thought he was playing around? What is it? What kind of knife is? 429 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:20,119 I think there's too nice. There was a kitchen knife, but it 430 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:24,920 also had like a a cover for her, like a sheath, like a 431 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,639 yeah, yeah, sheath that goes over it. Yeah? Was it serrated? 432 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,599 Was it just plain edge? You know? What's the difference been that 433 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:37,079 is so serrated ism when like when you cut like a stag of bread that 434 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,280 has a little teeth on edge, and then the plain edge is just like 435 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:46,159 a razor. Like I'm not so sure. That night Corey showed the other 436 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:53,800 teenagers a long, plain edged knife that he recently purchased from a supermarket and 437 00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,199 later told Kyle that he felt like stabbing someone. I mean, and we 438 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,960 can't make these red flags any clearer, guys, thinking that Corey was just 439 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:09,280 being Corey. Kyle didn't think much of it, and eventually he just went 440 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,679 to bed, as did Kyle's mom and the other teenagers. How you just 441 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,159 go to bed when someone in your house says that they feel like stabbing someone. 442 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:25,239 I have no idea, but apparently this generation is brain dead. Anyway, 443 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,199 just a few hours after that, Corey decided that he was going to 444 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:37,880 live out his fantasy of quote stabbing someone. Everything was fine, they just 445 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:43,199 do it. They were listening to music. They were using jewel, which 446 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:52,679 is a theme. So everybody's sharing the vede. Listen to music. Yes, 447 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:59,280 okay, what happens up? Okay, No one happens. You do 448 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,840 your thing? Is that he's specific for me, I wasn't there. During 449 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,559 his interview with police, coryus sometimes soft spoken if he didn't catch what he 450 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:14,239 said there. He told detectives that after everyone went to bed, he did 451 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:20,639 his thing. That thing was brutally stabbing and attempting to murder everyone inside the 452 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,559 home, starting first with a teenage victim that we have not yet named. 453 00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:34,239 He was Jovanni Sierra, and the birthday party that everyone had just come from 454 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:44,159 was his Givanni had just turned thirteen years old, and on the morning after 455 00:39:44,719 --> 00:40:12,519 his birthday party, Cory Johnson viciously and methodically stabbed him to death. In 456 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:17,280 the early morning hours of March twelfth, twenty eighteen, seventeen year old Corey 457 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:24,920 Johnson was at his friend Kyle's house. Motivated by his strongly held Islamic beliefs, 458 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,679 you know, the religion of peace, Corey decided that he was going 459 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,480 to stab and kill everyone in the house. On the evening before Corey made 460 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:43,880 this decision, Vanni Sierra, or Geo as he was known, celebrated his 461 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:51,559 thirteenth birthday. He and a few of his friends played paintball, then they 462 00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:55,320 all went to a pizzeria for dinner. Prior to your son's sleeping over, 463 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,440 I was told that he had a birthday party. Yes, we didn't really 464 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:06,960 have a plan. We got to know you know what you wanted to do 465 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,519 for this weekend, so I can you start planning this? He had said, 466 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:19,360 Mommy, I wanted to go to paintball again. Although the arrangements were 467 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:23,960 somewhat last minute, Geo's mom booked a paintball competition for her son and his 468 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:29,719 friends before they all ended up at the pizzeria for dinner. Once there, 469 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,599 seventeen year old Corey Johnson and fifteen year old Kyle Bancroft asked if they could 470 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:38,880 join the dinner party. The other connection that these older teenagers had to Geo 471 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,639 was that Kyle was the older brother of one of Geo's friends. Geo's mom 472 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,440 had never met Corey before, but Geo insisted that the older teens should be 473 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:57,199 included. We had just a table reserve for twelve. The Giovanni asked his 474 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,960 mom, can can Dan's brother and his friend join us? And I was 475 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:05,800 like, okay, you know, we only had twelve. But that was 476 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:12,559 Giovanni. He always wanted everyone to feel welcome. After the pizza party ended, 477 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,400 Geo asked his mom if he could spend the night at the Bancroft house, 478 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,920 which was the same house where Corey intended to spend the night. Geo's 479 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,079 mom was hesitant to allow Geo to go there, but she didn't want to 480 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,599 say no to her son on his birthday. So, Mommy, thank you 481 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,840 so much. This was the best day. I have so much fun. 482 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,480 Thank you so much for doing this for me. I love you so much. 483 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,039 I can come home. I want to, you know, I want 484 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:45,480 to be the first one to say happy birthdaying you in the morning. I 485 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,840 want to. I want to hug and kiss you, and I have a 486 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,960 little present for you. And He's like, Mommy, I'll be home. 487 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:57,880 I'll be home, okay, I'll text you after you get off for it. 488 00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,559 You can come get me. And so it wasn't pre planned. No, 489 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:07,199 Geo's mom allowed her son to have his sleepover, and later that night, 490 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,639 when Geo's mom returned home without her son, she was so exhausted from 491 00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:17,960 the day's activities that she went right to bed. Sadly, she had no 492 00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:23,719 idea what horrific events would soon unfold at the home where she had sent her 493 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:31,199 son. Can you imagine the guilt and heartbreak that night. I was just 494 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,559 so tired when I got home that I you know, I didn't text him. 495 00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,199 I didn't say Abery, okay, I mean, you know, are 496 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,639 you guys there? Like I actually my housand was like don't go to sleep 497 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,000 yet, And as soon as we got home, I fell asleep, So 498 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,079 I was tired. After Geo arrived at his friend's house for the sleepover, 499 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:58,199 the four boys stayed up late, mostly just talking, listening to music, 500 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:05,199 and secretly bearing a vape pen. Then at about one thirty am, everyone 501 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,079 went to bed, well everyone except Corey Johnson, that is. Instead of 502 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,320 going to sleep, Corey stayed awake and watched his Islamic videos. Then he 503 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:22,079 unsheathed the knife that he purchased earlier that day and walked over to Geo, 504 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,679 who was fast asleep. Following the instructions he had learned online about how to 505 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:37,440 best stab and kill someone, Corey began repeatedly stabbing thirteen year old Geo before 506 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:45,119 ultimately slitting his throat. Did he have an argument with you? Did he 507 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:52,159 assult you in anyway? Did he solve the song nover? He was one 508 00:44:52,159 --> 00:45:00,719 of the main Like the biggest thing you could do is it could either translate 509 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:08,599 to polytheism or idolatry. And like just like describing false gods, he's calling 510 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:13,840 people gods. Did he say that to you? Just generally? He was 511 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,679 talking to me in vain? What made you upset. That's what the room 512 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,320 does, which is how used to hear and stuff like that. Didn't thinking 513 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,119 and read or anything, just like, how did you acknowledge it? Just 514 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,760 in my head? Thing? You didn't want to try and convince someone show 515 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:36,199 a new point of view, not because people like that generally don't. According 516 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,920 to Corey, his justification for stabbing this boy to death was because earlier in 517 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:49,639 the night, Geo had referred to celebrities as gods. For followers of Islam, 518 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:55,480 the worship of anyone or anything other than Allah is known as shirk, 519 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,519 and it's one of the worst sins that a person can commit. No wonder 520 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:07,079 they hate Western culture. You said he didn't try and convince him. Did 521 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,440 he know about your religious beliefs? Did you know how strong you felt? 522 00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:17,159 No? I hide it because because people you never knew him beforehand. I've 523 00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:20,960 heard about him. I just let him. I'm just trying to figure out 524 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,920 why you would attack him first, afew of the person you met the most 525 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:31,159 recently, because he's just the easiest. Shamelessly, Corey admitted that Geo was 526 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,320 the easiest target, which was why he chose Geo to be his first victim 527 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:43,800 of the night. But beyond that, he also felt like Geo was just 528 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,159 an all around bad person. Well, what was going through your mind? 529 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,119 What were you thinking when he's sleeping on the floor. Is it all the 530 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:58,360 insults to Islam that kind of zolked up? Well, no, it's not 531 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:02,639 even then, It's just that's one of the reasons. But just just I 532 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,159 know, he's a he's a he's not a good person. You could say 533 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,760 he's not a good person. He does lead, he does stuff with girls, 534 00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:19,840 fornication, and today's was a birthday, he just turned thirteen, and 535 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:28,280 just a bad person overall. And then he went said people are said people 536 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:34,000 or whatever are gods, and so just all that stuff together. Keep in 537 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,599 mind Corey had never met Geo before that night, and Geo was the one 538 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:45,000 that insisted Corey should be allowed to join his birthday pizza party. And Corey's 539 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:51,599 warped mind, this was the bad person that deserved to be stabbed to death. 540 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,039 And the knife is still in your pocket when you leave the roof the 541 00:47:54,119 --> 00:48:00,519 bedroom, okay, And how did you do it? He was sleeping and 542 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:05,079 I think I had a knife, bunch of you, and I stabbed him 543 00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:10,239 in the stomach and then he woke up and started screaming? And then is 544 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:17,239 that what happened? Did you sat him again? Okay? Where everywhere? 545 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,519 Mostly in the negast Hi? And what was he doing to the scream and 546 00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:29,920 trying to say? Was he battling with his hands? Was he telling you 547 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,639 to stop? Was he calling for help? All those stuffs? In reality, 548 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,000 Corey didn't care much about Geo's moral character or who he was as a 549 00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:45,360 person. The kid just turned thirteen. I mean, how much moral character 550 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:51,119 could you really have at thirteen? Plus Corey had only just met Geo. 551 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,719 They had only known each other for a few hours. How could he possibly 552 00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:04,159 make any kind of meaningful determination about the answer is he couldn't. But we 553 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,239 all make snap judgments about people we don't know all the time, don't we. 554 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:15,239 I'm talking to you. Think about it. The truth is that Corey's 555 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:22,199 heart and mind were so poisoned with hatred and horrific ideas that he was willing 556 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:29,719 and actually eager to kill just about anyone. This poisoning with hatred and horrific 557 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:37,639 ideas happens all the time via mass media, but young people and anyone with 558 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:45,800 a serious mental illness are particularly affected, and Corey did have a plan to 559 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:50,880 stab and kill everyone in the house that night as they slept because of it, 560 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,360 but things didn't go as he planned. As Geo was being stabbed, 561 00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,599 he began moaning in pain and screaming for help, which woke up the only 562 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,000 parent in the home. Kyle's mom left her bedroom, and before she could 563 00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,880 see what was happening, she called out, asking why the teenagers were still 564 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,960 awake and making so much noise. She's just saying, what's going on? 565 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:17,480 Was going on because he scaring me? And then she eventually came up the 566 00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:25,280 stairs and she fell down the stairs, and so I guess she ran outside, 567 00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:30,320 and I guess she called the police from there. When Corey attacked Kyle's 568 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,440 mom, he brutally stabbed her twelve times and almost certainly would have killed her 569 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:39,039 had her other son, Dane, not stepped in to fend off Corey, 570 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,719 after which Kyle's mom ran out of the house to get help, while Dane 571 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:50,360 and Corey continued fighting each other. Ultimately, Corey got the best of Dane 572 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:57,079 and ended up stabbing him thirty two times. My hand, my hands were 573 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,239 all blowing, my whole arms, all my clothes were so blood. Then 574 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:10,960 what happens. I run downstairs into the computer room, and I am At 575 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,239 this point, I was close to the passing out because I was just like 576 00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:20,039 my visions, getting all worried and early stand and I just sat inside the 577 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:27,920 bathroom for a wile. After stabbing three people countless times, Corey's adrenaline had 578 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,280 started to fizzle out. Poor little extremist. He's getting all tuckered out after 579 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,559 all the stabbies. While covered in the blood of his victims, he walked 580 00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:44,280 into a bathroom closet, sat down and just waited for something to happen. 581 00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:52,159 Eventually, something did happen. The police arrived, ordered Corey out of the 582 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,119 closet and took him into custody. I usually waited there for a while. 583 00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,360 Not too much happened until the police showed up. A mini started to come 584 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,719 out. They slee put your hands up and they get on the floor. 585 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,360 So he hit him with the shield and smashed me down the shield and then 586 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:15,480 they put fia like the wire hankos on me. Kyle's mom and her son, 587 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:21,480 Dane, were both taken to the hospital. Thankfully, despite the multiple 588 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:28,119 stab wounds, they both survived the attack, but sadly, the same could 589 00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:35,519 not be said about Jiovanni Sierra. When emergency services finally got to him, 590 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,840 there was nothing anyone could do. He was pronounced dead on the scene and 591 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:47,920 died on his thirteenth birthday. Meanwhile, Corey was taken to the Palm Beach 592 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:53,039 Gardens Police Department for questioning, where he gave a straightforward, an honest account 593 00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:59,480 of the horrific things that he had done and also explained why he had done 594 00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:04,760 them, as if it fucking mattered. Palm Beach Garden's police say Dane's older 595 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,800 brother had his friend, Corey Johnson over that night too. Johnson told police 596 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,920 he waited until everyone was asleep around four am to kill Giovanni, Dane, 597 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,920 and Dane's mother. Johnson inspired by his Muslim faith and violently hottest videos which 598 00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:22,039 encouraged killing non believers. After the police were able to piece together some of 599 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:28,320 the details of this horrific attack and why it had happened, they contacted Geo's 600 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:35,000 mom and informed her that her thirteen year old son had been murdered. When 601 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:38,599 the cops were at my work asking me, and I was showing them the 602 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:44,599 birthday pictures, He's like, you know, Kyle, I didn't even know 603 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,159 Corey's same until we just found out the other day. And you know, 604 00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:54,039 they didn't give me any details right there, So I just I was in 605 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,440 shock, and to be honest, I'm still in shock. Of course. 606 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:07,000 The murder of Geocierra was completely unexpected, and his mom was understandably left in 607 00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:12,719 a state of shock, but that shock eventually started to wane as she began 608 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:19,559 to process the vicious and horrific events that resulted in her son's death. He 609 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:27,320 was so happy, and I never thought in my wildest dream that I would 610 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,400 get the news I got yesterday. I wonder what happened. Did he wake 611 00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:37,719 up screening her, did he die in his sleep or did he feel pain? 612 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:43,559 About a week after Geo was murdered, a large funeral service was held 613 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:50,079 in his honor. Among the attendees were several of Geo's school teachers and classmates, 614 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,440 all of whom knew Geo as a kind hearted and talented young boy. 615 00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,280 Giovanni's impact and so many lives on our campus has become evident, and speaking 616 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:08,199 to several of his teachers, there is a resonating theme of Geo as he 617 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:14,280 was known. The resonnating theme of Geo's character, that theme being that he 618 00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:20,000 loved to help others, from a new student on campus to help in teachers 619 00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:24,840 in the classroom. He was a giver. Now he has given me words 620 00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:30,199 when there are none. Giovanni's creative writing teacher, Miss Screen shared with me 621 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:35,719 Giovanni's poetry book. I would like to read a few of his poems, 622 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,519 the best day Ever, the best day Ever, a day like never, 623 00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:46,880 sweet sky so high, smiles one every face No, he hidden traits in 624 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:52,400 his own words. Thank you Geo. At this service, Geo's mom gracefully 625 00:55:52,519 --> 00:56:00,320 spoke to the attendees and attempted to put into words be indescribeable impact that Geo 626 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:07,880 had on her life. Wow, Giovanni is an angel. Now I know 627 00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:14,239 he's in a better place where he doesn't have to suffer and has no regrets 628 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:21,679 in whatsoever in his life. I want to speak to you from how Giovanni 629 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:29,519 impacted my life as a child. I passed through many traumatic situations and things 630 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,840 Giovanni. I became pregnant with Giovanni and found out at the age of seventeen, 631 00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,840 I knew there was a purpose for him to be inside me, and 632 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,280 no matter what anybody said, I made the decision to keep my child and 633 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:53,000 to sacrifice my youth, to give him life and to be my strength. 634 00:56:53,719 --> 00:57:00,239 Giovanni was that was my strength, and any moment that I was down, 635 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:07,400 his sweet smile looked up at me, and I kept pushing through my life 636 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:13,960 because of him. As for Geo's killer, when Corey Johnson went to court, 637 00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:21,280 he pleaded not guilty, and his lawyers chose an insanity defense, arguing 638 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:27,320 that Corey was delusional and psychotic when he began professing an interest in the Muslim 639 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,679 faith, as well as at the time of the stabbings. The case went 640 00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:37,360 to trial in October of twenty twenty one, and during that trial, Corey's 641 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:43,920 former friend Kyle Bancroft testified against Corey. I wasn't fully aware of what was 642 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:53,360 going on, but I did somewhat see Corey jumping in the bathroom with a 643 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,840 knife, saying with driving blood, saying that he killed my brother and then 644 00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:05,679 names my room, and he told me I know he joed around a lot, 645 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,599 but this time or not josing. Corey's trial lasted for two weeks, 646 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,760 and when it was over, a jury found Corey was sane. He was 647 00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:22,880 ultimately found guilty of first degree murder and two counts of attempted murder. The 648 00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:25,239 jury only needed about a half day to come to their guilty verdict. Today 649 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,360 now they weren't deciding if Johnson actually killed anybody, but when he did, 650 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,719 was he sane? And today their answer is yes. As a count of 651 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,920 one, would he find a defendant guilty of first murder? A stoic Corey 652 00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:42,440 Johnson as a verdict was read as a motion poured out from the family of 653 00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,719 Giovanni Sierra. The States test to find that while Johnson had a rare personality 654 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,840 disorder, he was in fact sane. Ultimately, the jury sided with Richard 655 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,239 Classy and the state. The death penalty is off the table in this case 656 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,440 because at the time of the stabbing, Johnson was seventeen years old, but 657 00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:00,480 it's possible he could be sentence to life in prison. His sentencing will happen 658 00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:06,280 in early January. In January of twenty twenty two, Corey Johnson went before 659 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,039 a judge to receive his sentence, but before that sentence was handed down, 660 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,880 Corey provided a brief statement to the court, and listening to this statement, 661 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,400 it appears that after spending a few years in jail, Corey's beliefs have changed 662 00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:34,559 dramatically. Ms in this little bit absolute not kind city are involved as pologies, 663 00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:43,920 apology machine will happen, polity very delved that one single night sort of 664 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:52,320 friends, family and the strength exacted people who like a second family as to 665 00:59:52,360 --> 01:00:00,400 stress my own family of the war. Anything is in thirty yeld most pains 666 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:09,039 and can I be into a painting Monstamma, I wish I could say better, 667 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:15,800 I wish I could do something this ory, but I but I do 668 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:25,400 want to apologize because of changing things. Truly am sorry. Sorry, I'm 669 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:32,440 justin takeing his and his family for no reason and so much potential. I 670 01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:37,760 feel dis believe that I could have done something so terrible. That's not where 671 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:45,239 I am person. Despite Corey's apology, the judge showed him no leniency and 672 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:52,000 sentenced Corey to three life terms, one for the murder of Jovanni Sierra and 673 01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:59,400 two more for the attempted murders of Kyle's mom and her son Dane Bancroft. 674 01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:05,039 And The judge pointed out that that Johnson posed for a selfie holding a knife 675 01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:08,039 just minutes before he stabbed Giovanni to death. One of the factors she says 676 01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:14,000 she considered before sentencing him the three life terms, two of them to run 677 01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:22,239 consecutively. The murder of Giovanni Sierra was undoubtedly tragic, especially when you consider 678 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,760 that he was just a young boy that was in the wrong place, at 679 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:31,039 the wrong time and on his birthday. Nonetheless, for Corey Johnson, it 680 01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:37,599 didn't matter who was on the receiving end of the violence and murder that he 681 01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:44,440 wanted to commit. His beliefs were clear, as was his intent. He 682 01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:51,599 wanted to kill someone. The only requirement was that his victim or victims didn't 683 01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:57,320 subscribe to his beliefs. When you bought the knife, did you have it 684 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,119 in mind that she would have heard the next person and solved or religion? 685 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,719 I guess that was maybe in the back of my mind thinking I could do 686 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,400 something like this. Can you describe it to me now what you were thinking? 687 01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:13,159 What made you take those actions? Then? Well, I just I 688 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,760 wanted to want to hurt some disbelievers. Who are I was just on my 689 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:23,199 phone and I noticed everyone was asleep, So I figured, was there any 690 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:30,960 type of formal mental decision on your part to hurt disbelievers in general? Like 691 01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:36,239 prior to that time, or was that just impulse of like at the moment, 692 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,159 wasn't impulsively anyone I wanted to eventually. Beliefs are a funny thing. 693 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:47,760 Well, some beliefs can be completely harmless. Others can lead to extreme acts 694 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:55,360 of brutality and bloodshed. For this reason, it's important to regularly challenge our 695 01:02:55,480 --> 01:03:05,039 own beliefs, especially if we find them triggering angry emotions or suggesting some kind 696 01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:14,159 of justification for violence. It isn't quite as easy as it sounds. Challenging 697 01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:20,960 a strongly held belief or even an entire belief system is often very difficult for 698 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:28,239 people to do. But remember that we can all be fooled. It's important 699 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,880 to pay attention to our intuition, but we should never fully trust it, 700 01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:40,039 and we should always be wary of personal validation. At the same time, 701 01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:45,639 it's important not to rely on a single source of information for our beliefs. 702 01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:54,960 That's how you get into serious trouble. After all, our moral compasses are 703 01:03:55,079 --> 01:04:02,159 guided by our beliefs, and if we're not care full, that compass can 704 01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:19,079 guide us down a path that leads to horrific and tragic consequences. Well, 705 01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:26,000 thank you for joining us once again. We appreciate you being here and I 706 01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:30,400 hope you'll come back to join us once again. Our number is eight nine 707 01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:34,960 six eight five four and put a plus one. If you're international, call 708 01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:38,159 and leave us a message. Let us know what you think of the show. 709 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:44,000 We hope to hear from you soon, and until next time, remember 710 01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:47,440 to stay safe. Hey, my can. This is Rebecca from Boulder, 711 01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:55,079 Colorado. I've been a long time listener since twenty seventeen and I just want 712 01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,519 to say that I guess, like everyone else, this is one of the 713 01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:03,760 best actually podcasts ever. Continue doing what you do. I love that you 714 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,320 kissed everyone off. One of my favorite things to do is to go on 715 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:14,760 Reddit and look at all of the idiots like freaking out about you and making 716 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,760 you their life. Pretty funny. But yeah, thank you for everything, 717 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,760 man. Yeah, have a great day.