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Welcome to this edition of The High
Strangers Factor, copyrighted on the Paranormal UK

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Radio Network. Today we're going to
talk about the book Mimics by Tim Schwartz

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and other contributors from the front cover. The Others among us. They have

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been called many names throughout time,
God's angels, demons, the good folk,

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shape shifters, extraterrestrials. They look
human, they act human, but

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they are not human. They are
the others. I am Steve Ward and

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with me is Andy Mercer. Welcome
back, Andy, Thank you. Yeah,

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first time in quite a one.
Yes, really, nobody knows about

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the technical difficulties we had opening up, so it's kind of a nail biter

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there for a minute. Nice nice
at Death's over. And anyway, I

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thought, I know that you moved
into a new house and had had some

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difficulties with things breaking. How are
I think our things pretty much put back

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together now? No, nowhere near
as Unfortunately, we knew about the problem

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we had with a roof, which
we've got fixed fairly quickly, but we've

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had a drainage issue, a leak
downstairs, leak which we've now discovered as

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due to the fact that a second
manhole was put in for the down bathroom,

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and the guy who didn't didn't have
very good jump of it at all,

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and it's all sagging underneath. It's
now leaked and it's going to surface

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water. So I have to do
large holes in our kitchen floor to fix

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it, which is not pretty good. The trouble was the house had been

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empty for about four months before we
moved in and just got left to deteriorated

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a little bit. Unfortunately. That
was that was a problem there. But

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as far as we all went,
apart from the kitchen floor, it's going

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to be fine here. My office
is now fully unpacked in my new space,

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which is a little smaller than mill
once. It's rather cramped full of

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books, but it's um, it's
all good. Otherwise. Well, I'm

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still not quite organized from being here
for a year, but I'm getting there.

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Yeah. So it's one of these
things, isn't it. You end

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up for them. We'll probably a
few boxes tucked away in a corner that'll

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probably never get unpacked. We have
the old place we had boxes says around

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literally for years, and one I'm
fully up back it'll be the same.

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Before we start. I've got something
really interesting to value, which by the

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time this will go out, it
will have happened. But this coming weekend

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I am finally meeting face to face
irone and Mark really, Oh, that's

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right, he's making the trip over
there. Yeah. Marks, Actually he's

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in the air as we are speaking
at the moment he landed by the time

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this goes out, but as we
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his way over. And we're meeting
at the weekend and off to bath Bath

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the town not a bath, right, Yeah, I've actually been there.

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Oh yeah, I love He's great. That was a little while ago.

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Go back again. So we're meeting
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the evening. Um we've seen discussable
things parallel, so it should be interesting

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to finally meet these guys after all
these years while I'm working in them since

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about twenty sixteen, thinks of that. So we've been as to finally meet.

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That'll be amazing and be sure and
Cheldm I said, hi, I

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will indeed yes. And now let's
introduce our guest and maybe maybe Tim has

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some horror stories about his plumbing.
We'll find out. Tim R. Sports

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is an Indiana native and an Emmy
Award winning television producer and videographer. He's

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also the author of Jeff the Talking
Mongoose, The Eighth Wonder of the World,

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Alien Artifacts, The Lost Journals of
Nikola Tesla, Tim R. Swartz's

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Big Book of Incredible Alien Encounters,
Time Travel, Fact Not Fiction, and

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many others. As a photojournalist,
Tim has traveled extensively and investigated paranormal phenomena

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and other unusual mysteries in such diverse
locations as the Great Pyramid in Egypt to

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the Great Wall in China. He
has also a on the History Channel programs

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The Tesla Files, Ancient Aliens,
Ancient Aliens Declassified, and the History Channel

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Latin America series Contacto Extraterrestriy. His
articles have been published in magazines such as

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Fate, Strange, Atlantis, Rising, UFO, Universe Mysteries, Renaissance,

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and Unsolved UFO Reports. His most
recent book is Mimics The Others among Us.

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Kim is also the co host of
the radio show The Paracast along with

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Gene Steinberg www dot Paracast dot com. Tim Welcome back to The High Strangers

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Factor. Why Steve Andy, Thank
you very much. I really appreciate you

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having me on today. Well,
this is this is really a great book.

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And I notice it's kind of done
in the tradition of the Timothy Greenbeckley

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Global Communications, you know interlife,
because you guys have all worked together for

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years and put out these great book
books with a lot of contributors and covering

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a wide subject matter. Uh,
you know tim Tim Beckley would uh sometimes

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you dig out these these ancient tones
that were unaffordable and reprint them and then

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add material and uh mimics is Uh, there's there's new material, there's old

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material, and it just covers a
really wide spectrum. Uh. How did

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the idea for this book come about? Well, you know this, uh,

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this is a subject. Oh and
and and and I should say Steve

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that I guess that we've all been
involved in in plumbing problems because I had

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I had to have a plumber out
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Oh boy, and uh you know, I mean we've been living in

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this house for twenty plus years,
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the major problems we've had ironed out. But once every two years, the

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plumbing from the kitchen sink gets uh
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like a couple of narrow turns somewhere
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and the plumber bile film is what
he calls. It builds up in there

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and there's nothing you can do except
get a get a snake in there.

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But the turns, you know,
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do it myself. So they have
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just root out the drains. But
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uh the same club when it when
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problems with mine, though it sounds
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do have had, I think Andy
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that. Joys of home ownership.
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the only before, the previous one
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all himself and just he just did
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unfortunate, so have to deal with
the consequences of that. Well, I'm

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sure that you'll be able to get
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yeah, sooner or later, and
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in a a in a smaller village
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are there to offer advice, whether
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all right, Well anyway back to
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this has been a subject that had
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in my mind for a while,
and I somewhat attribute it to John Keel.

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And he had a book called Our
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there is and and I got that
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just a just a young teenager,
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copy, and that that was when
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and buy paranormal paperbacks, which is
which is where I got this, um,

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several of my first paperback editions of
John Keel's books, So you know,

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I got from the same a drug
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he has a section that he starts
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Mimics of Man and it's really just
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subject. He kind of uses it
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related subjects. But Keel speculates that
that perhaps there are other intelligent beams that

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live with us on on this planet
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order to to blend in. You
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live in big cities as hermits able
to blend in just because it is uh,

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you know, there are big cities
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of leaves it from there. And
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just always intrigued me, that idea
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on this planet, intelligent species,
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that can look like us, either
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upon us. You know, I
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A nature. Uh, nature has
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either one of those reasons. And
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spend any time on this subject,
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cases that involves human like beings that
obviously aren't human, whether it you know,

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whether you go back into the ancient
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angels or demons or the teachers that
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from the caves or the the ocean. You know, you have all

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kinds of different societies and cultures who
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from various locations to uh give the
young humankind instructions on mathematic agriculture other things

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like that, and uh and then
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there, you know, you look
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cass Steele in our book has has
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who were supposedly angels assigned by God
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But these watchers, I guess got
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human women were you know, that's
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part of and uh came down,
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always kind of odd considering that supposed
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outwatchers obviously were not. And then
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you have the stories of fairies and
the good folk, then right up onto

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the UFO era, where we no
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fairies, but the idea that human
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this So that was really the jumping
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you said, Stephen, Steve all
the writers that we brought in for this

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book, we all had been involved
over the years working with late Timothy Green

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Beckley, and I had decided with
some previous books that I would try to

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bring us all together and start trying
to produce the same kind of books that

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uh, that that Tim would uh
would put out. I mean, all

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of us had a great time contributing
to these books with Tim, and I

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wanted to keep that up. Uh. Most of those previous books got a

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lot of great attention, uh,
got a lot of great feedback and sales.

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So so naturally, you know,
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keep that going. And and of
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the book, we mentioned Tim Beckley
and you know, thank him for everything.

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And yeah more, yeah, the
more the better. Do you have

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any on the horizon or in the
hopper or any any any concepts coming up?

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Perhaps? Oh yeah, yeah,
we're we're always uh trying to you

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know, come up with with new
ideas. This this book really hasn't been

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out that long. We uh we
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March, March or April, so
we've been a lot of us have been

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kind of um on our soap box
stumping for this book. But now we're

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kind of getting to the point where
it's like, okay, let's start throwing

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out some ideas on you know,
on a new book. You know,

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we gotta we gotta keep the keep
the ball rolling. But but the great

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thing about these group of writers,
and you know, you got some wonderful

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people, you know, like Sean
Castile, uh, Paul Dale Roberts,

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Nigel Watson, uh, Scott Corrallis. Yeah. Yeah, I mean all

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I had to do was just basically
say to them, all right, here

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is the idea. And then you
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mimics things that look like people but
aren't go with it, and and every

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a egyst I mean, oh,
I mean, you know the contributions,

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which is fantastic. Yeah, And
it's it's one of these books that you

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don't have to sit down and read
from cover to cover. You can pick

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the chapter you want to start with
and jump around. So because it's a

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lot of them are very self contained. Even though there is a general theme

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throughout the book, Yeah, we
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a certain parameters. And one of
the reasons is that this is a subject

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that and and I've I've gotten questions
like this from from other shows along the

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lines of, well, who do
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That is a mimic And you know, they they want me, they want

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us to speculate on like say,
celebrities or politicians are things like that.

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And that's you know, considering the
current political situation in the United States,

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that's not something that we wanted to
do it because you know that that kind

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of stuff is already just just mired
in the mud. So this speed and

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it's just like, yeah, nah, that's that's not that's really not what

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this book is about. Because a
lot of the subjects that we approach in

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this book tend to be one off
situations. All right, Uh, there

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are some repeats, but I'm trying
to think I don't think they're I don't

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think there's any case where somebody was
saying, well, you know, like

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this this celebrity or this person is
is a reptilian. That's that's one of

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the main things. You know,
people are wanting to know who the reptilians

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are out there. And and I
I'll say this right now, my my

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suspicions about the whole supposedly Reptilian conspiracy. So that's that's a good point about

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that. So many of these things, whether you're looking at aerial craft in

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the sky, entities supposedly stepping out
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so many of them are are not
identical. I mean, sometimes you'll get

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sort of a common bigfoot thread or
whatever. But that's one of the things

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Keeled dealt with. And there's window
areas where you had so many different entities

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craft situations that it you know,
it just didn't make you. Did it

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mean that we're being visited by one
hundred and fifty different civilizations, you know?

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Or did it mean something else?
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know. The uh, the subject
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us were afraid to do that,

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you know, uh, because the
whole mimic phenomena really seems to be a

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kind of all of the above type
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want to try to um limit the
the the extraterrestrial hypothesis of this of this

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It's it's it's part of our culture
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make the book just entirely well,
mimics are nothing more than extraterrestrials that either

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look like us or or or can
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it's it's obvious that the phenomena is
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Like I said, you know,
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But I did have one person complained
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was too much about aliens, you
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it's like, you know, you
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just don't want to make it,
you know, the entire thesis that would

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just you know, that would be
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I think there's a there's quite a
better variety in there. Have either of

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you guys seen the film Mimic?
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it was very well done, and
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my favorite short stories called Mimic by
Donald Day Woolheim. And it's only about

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ten or eleven pages long, and
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it starts out with something you mentioned
earlier to him where he talks about different

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kinds of insects how they mimic other
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eaten or so that they can prey
on others. And then he starts talking

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about this strange man that lived in
town that would always keep by him to

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himself and wouldn't look people straight in
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because women, you know, notice
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there's a great twist at the end, and I'm not going to spoil it

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if you ever come across it,
but they did a nice job. That

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was kind of their launching point to
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which I just thought was very good
and kind of the way they did the

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special effects with these creatures where you
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you know, like a man in
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and then they transform him. I
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Andy, if you've never seen the
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that you look forward. Yeah,
it's it's it's really good. Um,

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yeah, that's uh, you know, we we referenced that movie and and

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of course John Carpenters they live you
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can't, you can't avoid that one. But again, you know, they're

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you're you're back then to the the
extraterrestrial type of hypothesis, and it's you

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know, it's it is it's a
it's a cultural bias thing really uh in

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in in my viewpoint, because you
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taking place five hundred years ago,
but of course nobody had ever thought about,

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you know, extraterrestrials or anything.
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of encounters to, you know,
depending on where you live, uh to

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you know, the good folks or
maybe ancestor spirits or again, you know,

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back to the angels and demons type
of thing. So you know,

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it's um uh it's it's interesting the
on how you look at these stories,

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and it makes me wonder also,
five hundred years in the future, how

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this phenomena will have evolved. Because
unless we're unless science is able to take

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that leap forward and better understand this, you know, these kinds of of

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of unusual phenomena, there's no doubt
that this kind of stuff will still be

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with us. I think as long
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phenomena is going to be with us. Are you familiar with a book by

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Walter Bosley called Shimmering Light? Oh? Yes, Yes, And that's that

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kind of falls along with the theme
and what it is. His father was

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involved in intelligence and this story came
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his father was a air crash recovery
team and they routed him to someplace in

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Arizona for this crash, and it
turned out the crash was the same had

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the same occupants that crashed at Roswell
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aliens. They were humans, a
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here you bring in sort of the
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don't try to mimic us so much, they just try to avoid us.

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Now. I don't know if it's
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doesn't really know for sure either,
but it's my favorite Roswell theory anyway.

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It's it's a great story and it's
very intriguing to Yes, And we address

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that to a certain extent, you
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kind of jump off to that from
sections about wild Men's or of wild men

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and bigfoot not that I'm not that
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lot of the cases of the others
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you know, uh, try trying
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in the big city type of thing. Just trying to just trying to get

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on public assistance. You know,
that's right, that's right, just trying

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to live their life. Man.
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the possibility that again, that that
Homo sapiens may not be the only hominid

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species, intelligent hominid species on the
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current current thinking is that all of
ours, uh Neanderthal, the Sylvans,

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arcs think, but what if they're
not. What if there is another cousin

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species, two human kinds, that
somewhere in the ancient past decided that,

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you know, the hell with this, We've had enough with the Homo sapiens.

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the deserts, you know, as
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the mountains, and then finally under
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Bosley was talking about, you know, and and again, you know,

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if this is a cousin species.
They're more than likely just as smart,

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if not smarter than us, and
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Bosley's and other people's accounts, that
the others could actually be a a kissing

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cousin, a species to us that
you know, at times will infiltrate with

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us, live among us for whatever
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people who have close encounters with these
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it's physical dissimilarities, other times it's
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So again, you know, we
try to look at every possible aspect

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of this phenomena, from the you
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to the extraterrestrial. I mean,
you know, we want to give we

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wanted to give everything a fair shak
well. And of course Ivan Sanderson INVISI

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Residents, was intrigued by all the
UFO reports, uh, you know,

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seen coming in and out of the
oceans and lakes and so forth, and

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even submarines tracking things that at very
high speeds, and he kind of went

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down that same road. I don't. I don't know if he was suggesting

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that was a breakaway civilization or maybe
aliens had built bases underneath the oceans,

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but it is something that really needs
to be dealt with because you know,

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there is so much of that activity
that has been reported over the years.

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Oh yeah, well, and you
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that over the last five years especially, there's been a renewed interest with USOS,

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uh, you know, and some
of these videos that have come out

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from the military seeming to show um
UFOs and I'm still going to use the

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word uf Oh, I'm not going
to fall into the UAP grub. Listen.

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I'm with you one hundred percent.
I'd rather I'd rather say flying saucer

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than choke on you. All Right, We're just too we're just too old

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and too too set in our ways. That's right, that's right. I

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know, I am so I mean
so yeah, I mean it. It

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is uh, it is interesting that
the idea, I mean, you know,

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even in the heyday of of of
UFOs in the sixties and seventies,

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the USO encounters, with the exception
of people like Ivan T. Sous Anderson,

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didn't really get much love. So
it's nice to see that that that

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more recent accounts are coming out and
people are starting to pay more attention to

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him. You know, uh Andy
has a pretty good story that I think

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could fall under the mimic category.
And Andy, you told me about a

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woman and this wasn't that long of
a report where she saw something that might

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have been considered a modern day spring
heel Jack. Oh, yes, absolutely,

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yeah, Oh I want to hear
I want to hear that. I'll

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tell you the story. This is
going about about twenty years. I used

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to work at Saint Paul's Cathedral in
London. That's the big cathedrals in London.

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It also has quite a large retail
business behind it as well, and

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there's a large shop having to do
events in the evenings in the in the

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cryptic's actually come to the public and
they have sort of dinners and bank with

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sort of things. I was working
there and interesting the paran al of course,

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I was chatting with a woman who
was in the sixties. She worked

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there as well. She did a
lot of the design of the laud of

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the shop and it's sort of about
interests of strange experiences and that sort of

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thing, and she said, well, I had an odd encounter when she

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first came to London, and I
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She moved here from Ireland and was
dating a chap who was also Irish and

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living in North London. And so
one occasion they'd walked home together back to

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where she was living, and they
were standing on the steps and he was

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standing in his back to the front
door, and she was looking towards him

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and kissing, and he sort of
grabbed it and said, don't her around,

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and she said, well why,
and of course she looked round.

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It was a dag me across from
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There was a tree, and there
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His eyes seemed to be glowing,
and then he jumped, she said,

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jumped backwards and disappeared. Now,
she'd never heard of Springhill jack before,

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knew nothing about it at all,
and get the way he glowing eyes

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and then jumping backwards seemed to fit
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from eighteen hundreds was. I say, she'd never heard of it before.

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She was astounded when I told her
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what we saw just this man seemed
to be standing there under the tree looking

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at us and just seemed to sort
of jump backwards and disappear. It was

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all very strange, and rather spoot
the hair out of her. That's a

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great that's a great story. And
how many people can jump backwards like that

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exactly. But the very fact that
she'd never heard of it before, you

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had no idea. She was a
good Catholic, as she said herself,

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should know interested in such things,
really did speaker. You know, you

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know, Tim, you wrote it. One of the chapters that you wrote,

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Uh, what's it called Glamor of
the Shape Shifters, which deals a

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lot with the elementals and so forth, And there are a couple of things

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in there that I was intrigued by. One of these is called a Nixie.

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It's a water spirit Germanic a Swedish
background origins, and h it could

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shape shift into women and so forth, and uh, you know, try

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to lure me into their doom,
uh, that sort of thing. But

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it was interesting. It could turn
into a woman, and it could also

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One of the things that could turn
into was a baby crying. And I

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thought that's interesting because the baby crying
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And then then one other kind of
parallel, this this nixy, you

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know, it might turn into a
beautiful woman and seduce the man to come

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with her or it. Uh,
but it wasn't date night because you usually

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you didn't end up being drowned in
a lake or something like that. But

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but that parallel is very similar to
the kelpie, which would turn into a

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horse or a very handsome man or
whatever, lure women to their doom and

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drown them. So and they know, two completely different you know, origins,

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but interesting parallels with some of these
m especially the m the aspects of

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these things calling to people and and
trying to lure them away, you know,

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into these these these dark forbidding places, and it's it's it's something that

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that we're still hearing about today.
Um uh, there was and this this

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happened a few years ago, but
if if you look for it, you

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can find it probably on YouTube where
this guy who is um it's out west

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somewhere and he's on a horse and
broad daylight and several of these videos was

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of just kind of like unusual things
that were going on around his ranch.

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But he's outside the gate on his
horse on this gravel road and he's just

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recording, you know, what's going
on. All sudden you hear this voice

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coming from the bushes on the side
go hey, and the horse kind of

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falters a little bit, and then
it repeats itself, Hey, and the

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horse just stops and turns around.
He's not doing anything. It's the horse

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that reacts. The horse reacts and
heads right back towards the gate into the

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into the ranch. But uh,
you know, these are the type of

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encounters that you run across, uh
quite often. And again we we look

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into some of the cases involving the
beans called the Black Eyed Kids. Yes,

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which I mean, you know we
you with this kind of book,

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you can't avoid the Black Eyed Kids. And it's it's kind of a similar

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circumstance where these things are all are
wanting permission to either come inside the house,

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come inside the car. They can't
do anything unless they're given permission.

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And it's it's very similar to the
old the old stories of vampires, you

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know, where where the vampire would
um would be out inside your bedroom window

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and call your name and asked to
be led inside, or even if you

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answered, you know, if they
called your name, and you know,

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you're like, what then that was
permission enough, you know, for them

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to come to come inside. But
but again you're seeing these very interesting parallels

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to these age old cases to modern
modern modern cases. Sorry, go ahead.

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Even with the Nixie, it occurs
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Pixie lead, that are are that
wander off or get lost or confused.

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And then if you at just sort
of like shades of Missing four one one

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where some of the people are found
in water. I mean, some people,

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thank god, survive and they can't
really explain what happened to them,

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but others end up drowned. You
know, I think, my god,

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that's almost like the old folklore of
the Nixie and some of these other water

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spirits. Yes, exactly. Um, And you know you can't you can't

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avoid these these missing four one one
cases and not thinking of think about these

407
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:15,480
kinds of of of circumstances. Now, I talked to uh, to someone

408
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:22,000
one time, UH that this this
actually would have ended up being like a

409
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:31,360
what like a third person account because
the situation actually happened to the woman who

410
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,119
they were renting their house from.
All right, but this woman and her

411
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:45,119
family were out hiking, uh on
a It wasn't even a mountainous you know,

412
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:52,320
trail. It was like in a
state forest. And their family had

413
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,320
gotten a little bit ahead of them, all right, just around a corner,

414
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:00,599
no more than, if you know, a couple of yards ahead of

415
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:06,679
them. And this woman said that
all of a sudden, she heard somebody

416
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:15,559
call her name from off in the
woods, off of her path, you

417
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,199
know, off of the path.
And she said she stopped because she wasn't

418
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,000
sure, you know that, Okay, did I really hear that? She

419
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:29,079
said the name repeated again, and
then she lost consciousness, all right,

420
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:32,480
So her family hadn't gotten too far
ahead, and they realized she wasn't there,

421
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:40,320
so they backtracked and they found her
unconscious on the path, and apparently

422
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,400
she had been struck by a rock, because there was a pretty good sized

423
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:52,239
rock fairly close to where she was
laid. And they speculate that somebody with

424
00:37:53,760 --> 00:38:00,280
really good accuracy had beamed her with
a rock right after they called her name.

425
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:07,559
That's I've heard others a book called
Voices. I don't recall the author,

426
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,760
but when he was a kid,
he's out playing basketball and off in

427
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,920
the woods he hears somebody call him
and it sounds kind of like his father,

428
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:20,719
but he answers and what do you
want? And this voice just keeps

429
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,679
calling him and he sends chills up
your spine. He didn't obviously didn't go

430
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,559
into the woods because he might not
have been around to write the book.

431
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,920
But you know these and that's also
you look back into Swedish folklore and there's

432
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:37,239
the the elves or whoever would call
the children to lure them off into the

433
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:43,519
forest. Let me do a quick
station break here intermission. You are listening

434
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:47,039
to The High Strangeness Factor, a
copyrighted on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.

435
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,320
Today Andy and I are talking to
him sports about his book called Mimics The

436
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,800
Others among Us that he has compiled
and written. Um okay, I got

437
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,719
a question for you guys. Something
occurred to me when I was reading the

438
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,880
section on the black Eyed Kids in
Tim's book. One of the I mean,

439
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,880
so many things don't make any sense. You know that they're some kind

440
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:16,360
of a hybrid or alien or whatever. That just doesn't wash. But somebody

441
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:22,559
mentioned that perhaps there's some kind of
an elemental and that kind of struck a

442
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,480
chord with me that might be the
only thing that kind of makes any sense,

443
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,840
because I think I've gotten beyond Back
in the early on, I thought

444
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,800
that these had to be urban legends. But now with the works of David

445
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,960
Weatherly and Nick Redfern, it seems
like it's a real phenomenon. But I

446
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:44,320
was wondering if that makes any sense
at all, And then I started wondering,

447
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,320
you know, you think about somebody
really bizarre men and black accounts,

448
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,360
which could some of these be elementals
or fall in that category. I know

449
00:39:52,440 --> 00:40:00,880
that Keel often would use the word
altra terrestrial and elemental interchangeably. That resonates

450
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,840
with you guys at all. That's
certainly the idea of the other's ultra terrestrials.

451
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,719
Of course, I personally have an
issue with the Black Eyed Kids stuff.

452
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,639
I'm really not at all convinced to
buy it for my own recollection.

453
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:19,400
A lot of those stories have emerged
what he called keep your pastor type stories

454
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,280
that are deliberately made up and then
sort of pushed out of it to the

455
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,880
world. I know there was a
particular YouTube channel his name Escapes at the

456
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,400
moment the guy very deliberately promoted the
Black Eyed Kids, but it was all

457
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:37,039
fake. His whole stakes, whole
tube channel was fake, and he ended

458
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,360
up in all sorts of trouble with
some of the more can we say,

459
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:46,519
loose minded parentlemal investigators from some rather
unhinged people started pursuing him quite vigorously,

460
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:50,480
and he said the whole thing was
all made up. Now, whether he

461
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:54,159
meant his own materials all made up
or the whole black eyed kid thing was

462
00:40:54,199 --> 00:41:00,239
made up, I'm not sure,
but I personally have issues with the theory

463
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,760
of the black Eyed Kids. One
of the things I've myself to him is

464
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,800
I've done a lot of research into
sort of folklore and the origins of a

465
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,000
lot of these stranger stories and experiences, as was looking at ghosts and your

466
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:17,079
Man encounters and ground you are for
things coming out of the earth, it'll

467
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:22,039
be in, et cetera. And
there's no record of anything along the lines

468
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:30,320
of black Eyed Kids in those anthologies, earlier folklore stories in this and really

469
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,639
Encounters. There's plenty of very strange
encounters, are very very strange things,

470
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,840
but no specific black eyed kids have
ever been mentioned in those books. I've

471
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,239
read quite a few of them,
so I'm always a little suspicious of things

472
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,039
like that. That have only come
to light in the last sort of fifteen

473
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:47,239
twenty years or so. There's no
sort of pre record of any of them.

474
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,119
It leads me wondering I have to
answer you to well, I hope

475
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:57,840
you're right, because they creep me
out, remembering with that channel. It's

476
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,800
it's still sort of floating around on
YouTube and a lot of people will copy

477
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,239
these ins and repost them. There's
something like Fabulous Daily or Mysterious Daily,

478
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,880
something along those lines. But there's
a child called Inside a Mind. He

479
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,440
does a lot of document in English
Land. There's lots of documentaries and the

480
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,079
doctuments who did on this case with
the black Eyed kids is fascinating as well

481
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,760
worth finding if you can. Chan
say it's called inside a Mind. If

482
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,880
you can find it, it's well
worth watching. It's quite intriguing. Well,

483
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,360
one interesting thing is I know that
Nick Redfern has says sometimes when he

484
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,920
gets on radio shows and talks about
the Men in black and the black Eyed

485
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,679
Kids are radio stations will shut down, or they'll be static, or they'll

486
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,840
disconnect. And and David Weatherley was
talking about what some people were reading his

487
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,760
book about black Eyed Kids. Their
lights would flicker on and so forth.

488
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,239
It doesn't mean that that phenomena is
real. There's all kinds of other things

489
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,000
that might might mess with that.
Now. Fortunately, my lights aren't flickering

490
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:57,119
right now, so that's a good
sign. Mind the find as well.

491
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:04,519
Well. You know, I have
no doubt that a lot of these cases

492
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,480
that that have been reported to be
to our hoaxes. You know, it's

493
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:14,960
because a lot of these submissions there's
there's no way to track them down.

494
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:22,960
You know, they're just uh obscure
stories on Reddit or places like that.

495
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:30,440
Um. I have myself talked to
a few people face to face who have

496
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:42,039
claimed actual experiences with with the Black
Eyed kids, and I have no I

497
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:50,079
have no good reason to doubt what
the stories that they were telling me didn't

498
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:55,280
happen to them one because they had
no idea that it was even a thing,

499
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:02,000
and uh until I was talking about
it with them and they were just

500
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:07,519
like, oh my god. And
that I had two stories that came to

501
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:17,000
me that way. But like say, like the slender Man, there stilles

502
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:24,519
seem to be almost a Talba type
of situation with these things that that once

503
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:30,079
people start talking about these things,
it's kind of like the you know,

504
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,039
like the old urban legends, you
know, when I was younger, before

505
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:40,039
the prehistoric days, before the internet, and how stories would spread across the

506
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:45,480
country and then across the world just
by word of mouth. And it happens

507
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:52,519
even faster now with the with the
internet. But there could be almost like

508
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:59,639
a like a collective consciousness type of
thing going on. Again, this is

509
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:06,480
something that you know, Keel wrote
about along the lines with his his Ultra

510
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:10,920
terrestrials that you know, you get
an idea going and it could almost take

511
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,800
on, at least for short periods
of time, a life of itself.

512
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:24,599
How who knows, you know,
uh, but but but it does seem

513
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:31,519
to happen. And then just as
mysteriously, once people stop being interested in

514
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:39,920
these kinds of things, they they
disappear again. Now there there were stories,

515
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:46,320
and of course these were the myths
and legends of especially of ancient Japan,

516
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:54,679
of fox spirits that sometimes they would
appear as say, like a beautiful

517
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,840
geisha. And but one of the
ways that you can tell that it was

518
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:08,440
a fox spirit is that it had
either white or black eyes. So but

519
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,159
but with a lot of these stories, i'd be depending on the region that

520
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:20,079
these stories originated from, there'd be
all manner of different descriptions. You know,

521
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,920
some of them the fox spirit would
look like a beautiful woman, but

522
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,320
she had a fox tail that she
had to keep hidden under her kimonos.

523
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,880
So you know that'll put a damper
on date night. Definitely, definitely,

524
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,199
But you know, yeah, yeah, I haven't run across uh, you

525
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,360
know Eddie's stories like that at modern
times. I think it's one of the

526
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,800
interesting things I've always thought about the
fact that these descriptions of these sorts of

527
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,239
beings do very enormously depending what part
of the world you're in. I've always

528
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:52,119
seen, I talked about as many
times put forward them notion really that these

529
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,960
things have no identity of their own. They just take on the identity that

530
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,960
suits our own understanding, our own
with some beliefs, and as you say,

531
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,880
it's cleander man, it's definitely increaping. Pahas are totally made up.

532
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,239
But there is also that sense of
the toll. But like, are you

533
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,840
generating something here? Are people having
these sorts of sightings? I mean before

534
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,440
they talk about things like hat man
very specific ghosts wear hats or those kind

535
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,320
of things. Again, it's a
modern phenomenal. There's no history to it.

536
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,119
But people say they're seeing these things, so perhaps they really are manifesting

537
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,480
in the ways in which they think
we want them to appear, that they

538
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:28,400
fit or conform with our own understands, our own ideas. That's where you

539
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:35,079
get such a range of beings cultural
phenomenally that are quite different this common ghost

540
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,559
like in based on like Japan,
you have that they're bound up and they

541
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,800
have to jump. I remember see
these in sort of Japanese ghost fields.

542
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,280
They're jumping spirits that move. They
can't move because they're bound up, but

543
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,920
they actually have to sort of jump, and it's just very strange. It

544
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,360
doesn't really fit of anything we have
here. But yet these sorts of ghosts

545
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,280
arequ often seen, so I do
think there's a definitely it's a cultural thing

546
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,360
of how they appear, rather than
having a distinct form of their own.

547
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:06,519
You're talking about the uh the jumping
spirits. There's there's actually movies that come

548
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:13,119
out of Malaysia and Thailand, especially
about the jumping vampires. Yes, yes,

549
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,599
same though. Yeah, they're they're
great. I love them. I

550
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:22,840
mean they're so different, you know
from the UH Western you know, like

551
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,440
Christopher Lee Mill a ghosta type of
Dracula. Well you were talking about though,

552
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,559
the uh uh like the differences with
these things, you know, um,

553
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:37,440
depending on the culture. It's the
same way with the the the the

554
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:44,920
UFO phenomena and encounters with what appears
to be you know, UFO occupants.

555
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:52,360
I mean, I don't think very
rarely and with the exception of the whole

556
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:58,719
abduction phenomena, which seems to be
populated sorely by the Grays. But if

557
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,519
you look at all the case is
that we've had over the years of people,

558
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:06,239
say just you know, coming across
the landed UFO with things, you

559
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,639
know, running around outside of it. I don't think that there has been

560
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:19,159
any in any of these encounters where
the beans all look the same each Yeah,

561
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,559
they're they're all different, But so
many of these cases, I mean

562
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:32,719
you really you can't question the uh
what am I? What am I trying

563
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,239
to think here? That not the
legitimacy. I suppose the legitimacy of their

564
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,199
reports because you know, a lot
of times they come from very you know,

565
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:46,400
well known and uh well renown people
from their communities. But it very

566
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:52,400
rarely do you ever come across cases
where these things look the same. So

567
00:49:52,519 --> 00:50:00,519
you know, unless unless Planet Earth
is like the galaxies version of disney Land,

568
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:07,039
you know, and we've we've got
a million different civilizations visiting us,

569
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,599
you know, there's probably something else
going on. Yes, Yes, it's

570
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:15,000
one of those interesting things you experienced
with ghosting investigations, of the ghosty Paranelelal

571
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:19,119
investigations. I've been on quite a
few of those. I've worked to a

572
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,440
company number years ago. They had
events almost every weekend, and interesting you'd

573
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:28,599
get phenomena occurring and the same people
in the room together we describe something different.

574
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,599
They had almost like they had their
own experience of something strange occurring at

575
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:35,639
the same time as other people.
So you'd have that person able to describe

576
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,840
one thing you are, person B, who was in the same room with

577
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,519
them at the same time, they
describes something different. Person C had no

578
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,800
experience, didn't see or feeling anything. That was always very intriguing. No,

579
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,760
you get the pressure that I was
making anything up. It's just they

580
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,000
interpreted that their experience based on their
understanding of things, and if they had

581
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:55,440
a certain belief system, then they
would lean towards seeing things in that way.

582
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,960
One of the things I did a
lot of research on them. I'm

583
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,280
a psychotherapist by trade. Was I've
recently retired, but I'd had a lot

584
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:07,360
of interest in the Old Hag syndrome, the sleep paralysis one of the experiences

585
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,360
people were having, and one of
the things I noticed that was interesting when

586
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:16,480
I talked to people about their experiences
of sleep priorsiscogi dreaming, that what the

587
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:22,840
experience depending quite a lot on what
their beliefs were what interested them. People

588
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:28,320
who had an interest in magic or
witchcraft or even horror films had the old

589
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,239
Hag that the woman saiding on the
chest, that kind of which form rather

590
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,800
scary in that way. If they're
interested more in UFOs and science fiction and

591
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,880
space even they had more the alien
visitation experience. It seemed to what the

592
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,760
experience seemed to conform with what they're
interested in. Those who who no interest

593
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,519
in either would have a much more
mundane experience. One particular story just a

594
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:52,480
retail briefly quite anyone. I was
working as a therapist. The guy came

595
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,239
and, seeing he was accountant,
hem was have a lot of anxiety issues,

596
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,599
and I always ask questions about how
well do you sleep? Do you

597
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:01,760
sleep ninth character and he said most
of the time I'm okay, but sometimes

598
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,840
things get a little bit stressed,
and he said, on one particular occasion,

599
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:07,800
I remember waking up in midd of
the night and I couldn't move.

600
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,119
I wasn't looking at the seating and
I couldn't move on my children or at

601
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,480
the end of the bed. They
were playing, they were moving about it.

602
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:17,000
I don't know what they were doing
there. Actually added out to them,

603
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:21,320
why are you there? And I
realized nothing came out. I couldn't

604
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,639
make any sound, and said the
next thing, and it was morning and

605
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:25,760
I woke up and I said,
I asked my wife, and she said,

606
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,000
no, you didn't say anything,
and spoke to my boys, and

607
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:30,920
I said, no, I've never
left beds out at all. So he

608
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,639
was having that kind of experience.
He was quite paralyzed. He was experiencing

609
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:37,119
something in the room with him.
But because he had known just a your

610
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,400
phone or ghost or anything, it
was just his kids. That's what he

611
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:46,199
was experiencing. So it does seem
to be a conformity to what you're interested

612
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,320
in, what your belief systems are, even it's latent, you don't even

613
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,239
think about it. It's like stories
you may have heard as a kid,

614
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,440
you've kind to put to the back
of your mind, but they're your experience

615
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,320
of those things seems to be conformed
with what it is you're interested in.

616
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,000
Now. My own belief when it
comes asleep paralysis hypocoy duma is a psychological

617
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,960
phenomena. It's not supernatural paranormal.
It is something that happens a lot more

618
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:12,360
commonly than we perhaps realize if people
don't talk about it. But my years

619
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,599
as a therapist, I've come across
it quite often. But people are having

620
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:17,800
stress or anxiety issues. It seems
to be a common thing. Affix it

621
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,079
asleep. But it does make you
wonder when you're having genuine phenomena I didn't.

622
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,239
I believe certainly occurs, but how
much of it is subjective? How

623
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,320
is it to do it what we
already believe or what our expectations are?

624
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:39,760
Oh yeah, definitely, I agree
wholeheartedly that you know our expectations, you

625
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:45,920
know our belief systems, how we
were raised have a lot to do with

626
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:52,639
how you view and perceive this kind
of phenomenal. And I should add real

627
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,800
quick that when I was a teenager, I went through a period of having

628
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:06,559
kind of like a sleep paralysis to
a certain point. But instead of seeing

629
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:15,719
weird things or supernatural creatures, I
saw giant spiders. I'll take the supernatural

630
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,679
creatures. I think, oh yeah, well, I mean I would I

631
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,400
would see I would see like,
you know, like a like a big

632
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,400
one crawling up the side of my
bed towards me, or going up the

633
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,079
curtains. And of course then my
sleep paralysis would leave very quickly and I'd

634
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:35,760
be wide I'd be wide awake.
But at the time I realized, I

635
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,840
mean, I knew that this was, you know, a it was a

636
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:45,800
dream. It was a dream that
was intruding because I was awake, I

637
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:52,840
could see my room. It was
like a dream was being superimposed upon reality.

638
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,559
This is the way that I kind
of was perceiving it. It's a

639
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:01,440
very intense day dream moment. Just
see you if you what as an EEG

640
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,000
machine, you'll see your brain activity
is on the verge of being on.

641
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:08,559
Wait, it's just under it's still
slightly asleep. Often say, the best

642
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:12,000
of the thing about is if you're
sitting at home kind of kind of drifting

643
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:14,599
off a little bit with the TV's
on something, you're in a dream and

644
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,880
you wake up again, you jump
out of it. That's the kind of

645
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,800
level that you're out with. Your
brain hasn't properly come out of the sleep

646
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,920
cycle, but you're still a wave
your surroundings. Go ahead and back to

647
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:34,079
the variety of UFO occupants. There's
another aspect too that sometimes cultures different countries

648
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,079
seem to have different experiences. Back
in the fifties, in France you had

649
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:44,559
a wave of landings with a kind
of laid back humanoid types and silver suits.

650
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,000
In the US you had were more
likely to have landings whether you're collecting

651
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:52,360
soil samples and running back in their
egg shaped craft. And in South America

652
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,599
you would get sometimes these very violent
attacks all the way up through the eighties

653
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,360
and nineties. You know, with
Bob Pratt you're danger zone. Uh,

654
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:06,239
the choopas and sometimes people being hit
by heat rays. I mean the stuff

655
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,239
that is supposed to have happened in
South America is it's kind of unique.

656
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:15,559
And so you know, is this
a does this reflect the culture somehow or

657
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:22,199
the belief system within that country?
M yeah, and uh, I know

658
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:30,079
that cases in um Africa, and
again depending on where they would happen at

659
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:37,519
where people would see occupants, I
mean, they wouldn't be thinking along the

660
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:43,719
lines of extraterrestrials. They were thinking
more along the lines of ancestral spirits.

661
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:50,159
This was this was a visit from
the ancestors, maybe a warning, you

662
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:57,280
know, maybe you know, an
omen of good things to come or bad

663
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,840
things to come, depending on you
know, what what was going on.

664
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,800
So but the interesting thing that you
just uh pointed out, Steve, is

665
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:14,719
that a lot of these cases occurred
in a vacuum information vacuum, yes,

666
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,800
where these people wouldn't have any idea
of the UFO phenomena, at least not

667
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,320
along those lines. I mean,
so maybe aware that people have been seeing

668
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:29,960
things flying around the sky, but
the whole aspect, especially early on in

669
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,119
the fifties sixties, where they would
come across the landed craft with things running

670
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:38,639
around, was something just completely unknown
to them. I mean, you know,

671
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:44,800
now it's very much a given part
of our culture actually make you know,

672
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,039
the East make Saturday morning cartoons,
you know, along those lines.

673
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:55,559
But there are a lot of people
who wouldn't have any idea of the history

674
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:02,079
about what they were experiencing. So
again, you know, it makes you

675
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:07,039
wonder. While I do believe that
you know, there is a cultural aspect

676
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:14,000
to a lot of this. You
know, what about these people who who

677
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:21,599
are experiencing it in an information not
only an information vacuum, but a locational

678
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:29,559
vacuum as as well. Similar events
throughout time in different parts of the world,

679
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:36,199
but with amazing similarities. There's another
story that intrigued me in the book

680
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:40,800
that was reported by A Rosen Cullen
from Dublin Live, and it's about a

681
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,960
woman from Meath that was in the
wood. She walked through these two particular

682
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:50,079
trees and she went out and touched
them. One was very cold and the

683
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:52,440
other was very warm. And once
she got past this whatever it was,

684
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:57,719
barrier or what have you, she
became completely disoriented and she couldn't find her

685
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,079
way back. She had she found
a couple of different paths, what one

686
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,960
him to a dead end and then
she started to hear kind of a low

687
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:07,159
laugh or even a giggle, and
then it got to be more sinister,

688
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:13,840
and people hypothesized, I forget what
they call it, but the fairies can

689
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:17,559
enchant a particular spot. There's a
term for it. I just can't recall

690
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:21,960
it. They think that she probably
stepped on one of these, but then

691
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,360
due to her you know, this
is modern day. Due to her upbringing,

692
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:30,280
she heard that if you turn your
clothes inside out, you can break

693
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,039
the spell. So she said she
felt like a bloody idiot, but she

694
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,519
took her shirt off, turned it
inside out, and put her back on.

695
00:59:37,079 --> 00:59:39,480
She became, you know, she
was not disoriented anymore and found her

696
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,360
way back out through the two trees. I just thought that was again another

697
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,440
sort of echo of Missing four one
one. And there's another great story from

698
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,159
another book called The Middle Kingdom by
Derma McManus, and it's about in the

699
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:58,840
nineteen thirties. His great aunt had
a caretaker, a young lady, and

700
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,639
she was walking one day. She
went up and climbed up this fairy mound,

701
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:05,480
which was a big mistake, and
when she tried to come down,

702
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,679
it was it was broad daylight.
She came to a barrier where she couldn't

703
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:13,199
get through, and as the night
went on, they were out looking forward

704
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:15,920
with torches and she was yelling and
screaming. They couldn't hear her. Now,

705
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,639
she didn't see anything like a mimic
or an entity, but she felt

706
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:23,480
the presence of something very evil up
at the top of the mound. But

707
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:28,199
anyway, finally the barrier broke down, she followed the torches off in the

708
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,840
distance and got home. So I
just thought another kind of intriguing parallel there,

709
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:37,199
and with her situation, you know, I have to wonder some of

710
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,519
these people that have vanished, were
they in a situation where they were yelling

711
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:45,119
at people to hear them and they
couldn't hear them for whatever reason? Right?

712
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:51,599
Right, Yeah, that's uh.
I came across a story and you

713
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:54,719
know, it's it's always frustrating.
And I know that you realize that,

714
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:59,800
Steve, that after you write a
book, then you then you run a

715
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,119
cross just all kinds of even more
interesting stories that should have been in the

716
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:08,480
book, like Andy's story about spring
Hill Jack. Yes, yes, exactly

717
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:15,920
exactly. But there was a very
similar story of a couple. Again,

718
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:22,440
there's a couple of hikers going and
this was like not even like a national

719
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:25,559
or a state park or something.
It was just kind of like a small

720
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:32,800
hiking area surrounded by woods that I
mean, a relatively narrow path of woods.

721
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,239
And as they started out on their
hike, they came across another pair

722
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:44,199
of hikers that were coming back from
the direction that they were heading, and

723
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:49,800
the hikers told them that there had
been a washout in the path up ahead

724
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,320
and to watch out for it well. When they got to the area where

725
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:59,519
the washout was, it was right
next to a like a ranger tower that

726
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:02,559
they used to look for fires in
the wood, and they noticed that the

727
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:07,639
tower looked like it had been abandoned. The windows were covered in paper.

728
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,480
They said it was dirty and looked
like it han't been occupied in a long

729
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:16,079
time, which they thought was odd
because they seemed to remember that it had

730
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:23,360
been occupied not too long before.
So they went around this washout, and

731
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,559
as they proceeded on the path,
they realized that they had must have gotten

732
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:34,920
off on their usual path and onto
a different one. But again, because

733
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:38,639
these woods were fairly narrow, with
like a highway on the other side,

734
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:44,360
they weren't too concerned. But as
they proceeded along, the woods seemed to

735
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:50,800
get deeper and deeper, and they
said it seemed like that it was becoming

736
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:58,719
like twilight outside, even though it
was supposed to be like maybe one o'clock

737
01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:01,079
in the afternoon. It seemed like
it was getting darker and darker. They

738
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:07,480
checked their cell phones. Their cell
phones were one of them was completely dead,

739
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,880
and the other one was not picking
up any kind of tower. So

740
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:19,280
as they proceeded along, they started
coming to like valleys and hills that they

741
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,079
swear should not have been there.
And at this point it's getting almost pitch

742
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:30,719
black, and they were extremely worried. But rather than turning around and going

743
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,400
back the way they came, they
just kept going forwards. Finally they came

744
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:40,400
to a point on the path where
there were two large honeysuckle bushes. As

745
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,039
they put it up, one on
each end of this path, almost like

746
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:51,559
a natural gait. They said,
as soon as they passed those honeysuckle bushes,

747
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,199
they were back. They were in
broad daylight. They said. It

748
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:00,320
was like going from a dark room
into bright sunlight. That's the way they

749
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,440
said it was. And they were
kind of shocked for a moment, you

750
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,639
know, like what happened. And
they looked back between the honeysuckle trees.

751
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:15,719
Everything looked normal. They you know, they went through that gateway a couple

752
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:20,920
of times. Everything was fine,
except that they had lost about three hours,

753
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:28,440
you know what, in what would
have been probably a half hour forty

754
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,760
five minute walk, not very far. They said that whether they had no

755
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,480
other way of getting back, so
they had to go backtrack the way that

756
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:41,599
they came. Everything was normal.
When they got to that the Rangers Tower,

757
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,880
it was open, clean, They're
rangers in it, completely different than

758
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,599
what they had seen a little bit
before. So I mean, not really

759
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:57,559
a mimic story. Those are great
stories though, where a great one.

760
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,920
But people kind of step into this
other realm and they do make it back.

761
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,320
And if some of these people seem
very credible, uh, what about

762
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:10,199
the people that don't make it back? Exactly exactly? And I should shout

763
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:15,320
out to Paul Paulino who has an
excellent chapter in the Mimics book, uh,

764
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:24,039
talking about his theories on the on
parasites as as he calls them,

765
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:35,519
which can in certain circumstances mimic people
voices and even in appearance. It's it's

766
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:41,880
it's amazing how how far ahead John
Keel was with all this back in his

767
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,800
day. And he really was,
wasn't he? And another I've always been

768
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:51,440
a tragued but you know, uh
uh. Sir Arthur corner Doyle, well

769
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:56,360
known for Sherlock Holmes, was also
a paranomyal investigator. Hear about the book

770
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:00,480
The World of the Fairies. He
actually said in there sounded like John Keele

771
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:05,840
one hundred years earlier. The appearance
of the fairies are largely dependent on the

772
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,239
viewer, the people the person seeing
them, And I thought, isn't that

773
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,880
interesting? And that kind of goes
along with what we were actually talking about

774
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,960
tonight, you know, one of
the one of the things that I point

775
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:27,079
out in the book with some of
these encounters with the others and I and

776
01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:30,800
you know, I have to say
that they're in this book. I mean,

777
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:38,800
we have all kinds where people actually
will have a long drawn out conversations

778
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:45,599
with these things and then not really
I mean realize that something was off until

779
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,800
afterwards. Uh, something that we
see quite often with these kind of cases.

780
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:59,920
But but there has been situations where
somebody will see what appears to be

781
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:08,800
a person kind of you know,
I'll use for example, the spring Hill

782
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:15,199
spring Hill Jack type of being that
um Andy reported on that they'll see something

783
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:26,679
like that, and the the being
will notice that they're being observed and will

784
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:32,559
look surprised. I get that so
many times from a lot of these cases

785
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:36,159
where people will say the same thing, you know, They'll say, you

786
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:40,480
know, whatever the thing was that
I was looking at will notice that I'm

787
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:45,519
watching it and they said in the
shock on its face, you know,

788
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:49,880
just it it was. It was
surprised that I could see it, and

789
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:54,480
I don't hear that a lot.
Nice to know you can shock an elemental

790
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:58,440
once in a while. Yeah,
well it's and it goes back to what

791
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:08,320
we were talking about earlier on how
different people will report different things from from

792
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,440
a shared circumstance. Okay, especially
a lot of times, you know,

793
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:17,119
like with ghost encounters, where some
people will report seeing the ghosts, other

794
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:23,439
people won't see other thing won't see
anything. Other people will hear something but

795
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,760
not see anything. So you know, it makes you wonder whether or not

796
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,720
that you know again, you know, do do some people have the ability

797
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:38,880
to see these things or to interact
with them while others don't. You know,

798
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:42,920
the same thing with UFOs, right
of course, you remember John Tenny.

799
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,600
John Tenny lives in u He was
in downtown Royal Look, which is

800
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,000
just north of Detroit some years back, and he looks up in the sky.

801
01:08:50,039 --> 01:08:55,079
It's broad daylight, and he sees
this classic UFO up there and he's

802
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:57,560
looking around, he's trying to get
other people to see it. And he

803
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,920
looks over and he says, this
one young girl, she's also looking up

804
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,399
and she sees it. So there's
like only two people in this crowd of

805
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:10,079
people in broad daylight noticing this thing, yet everybody else didn't care or as

806
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:16,560
oblivious or just couldn't see it.
It's um. I've come across a couple

807
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:28,720
of similar circumstances when it comes to
people encountering a mimic, where they will

808
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,520
try to see if if anybody else, say like with their group, can

809
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:42,079
see this thing. And a lot
of times it's almost like the other people

810
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:50,159
are deliberately not paying attention or not
noticing. Yeah, it's it's it's almost

811
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:56,399
like like a hypnotism type of thing
for one of a better word. Uh.

812
01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:00,640
This one case, I know that
I talked to this woman. She

813
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:06,159
was she was with her family and
they were in a mall and she saw

814
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,760
it was it was a group of
young girls actually, you know, like

815
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teenagers, and one of these girls, she said, sparkled. That's that's

816
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:23,560
the only way that she could describe
it. She said that it was like

817
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:31,479
she had a thousand little led lights
on her sparkling, and and and but

818
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,079
you know, obviously you know,
you know she didn't but she could see

819
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:39,880
this and she was trying to talk
to her husband and her kids. Look

820
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:45,359
at that girl, look at it, and nobody in her family paid attention

821
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:48,439
to her talking to them. They
just ignored her. And it wasn't until

822
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:54,560
afterwards, after this girl had passed
that she said, why aren't you talking?

823
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,479
And they're like, what are you
talking about? And they they had

824
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,479
they had no record election that she
had been trying to talk to them to

825
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,439
point this girl out to him.
You remember Marcella Bennett, one of the

826
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:11,600
early mothman witnesses. She was coming
back to her car holding her child,

827
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,239
and this is when the mothman was
unlanked. But whatever it most is lying

828
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:18,520
on the ground and rose up.
But before that, her brother was trying

829
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,359
to get her to look up at
this strange light, and she wouldn't pay

830
01:11:21,359 --> 01:11:25,279
any attention to it. She didn't
want to hear about it. And then

831
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,079
this thing rose up with the red
eyes, and there was Her focus was

832
01:11:29,119 --> 01:11:32,239
elsewhere. But again that you're right, this is almost like some kind of

833
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:40,560
a hypnosis thing. And because it's
uh, there's no other explanation. Well,

834
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:45,079
as John Kiel would say, you
know this, whatever happened was meant

835
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:50,239
only for that person to experience that
that nobody else was supposed for whatever reason,

836
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:55,319
who knows, you know, that's
that's part of the conundrum of this

837
01:11:55,560 --> 01:12:01,439
of this phenomena is that at times
that it tends to be extremely personal whatever

838
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,560
reason. Yeah, well, gentlemen, this has been a really really great

839
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:13,640
show. Any closing thoughts from either
idiot, go ahead, any you go

840
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:20,680
right? This is very unscrubbed,
so nobody was ready. No, well,

841
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,439
I mean I am polied. I
always give the other guy a chance

842
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:31,760
to time first. How much do
you think generally the sort of UFO world

843
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,199
is moving towards this kind of thinking. I know, Stephen, I've talked

844
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:39,560
about this in the past. How
it used to be that you'd have the

845
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,359
big room and help the nuts so
much UFO people having their talks, and

846
01:12:42,359 --> 01:12:45,359
the little side rooms of the little
Killian people who have other ideas. And

847
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,920
now that's shifting a little bit more
towards the Killian people, take it out

848
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:55,520
more space and taking out slightly less
space. But generally, how do you

849
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,560
think it is progressing. Is it
moving more towards that Killian sort of ould

850
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,319
trust direction, or is it still
very much the majority or nuts and bolts

851
01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:08,560
UFO people well, you know,
I think that for those of us who

852
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:14,079
have been doing this for a long
time have come to realize that there's a

853
01:13:14,079 --> 01:13:20,279
lot more to all of this than
just say, you know, nuts and

854
01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:27,560
bolts spacecraft from other planets or when
it comes to the others, uh,

855
01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:34,359
you know, extraterrest rails and that
sort of thing. Now, for say

856
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:42,640
like those who are just now getting
into it, based on the whole new

857
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:49,800
interest in UFO slash UAPs coming from
you know, the military and the media

858
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:57,000
coverage and the so called you know, David Grush, a whistleblower, then

859
01:13:57,159 --> 01:14:00,399
they're going, you know, it's
it's back to the you know, like

860
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:06,199
the nineteen fifties where UFOs are nothing
more than you know, physical nustable spaceships,

861
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:14,800
explorers from other planets. That's it, you know. So um,

862
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,479
I think that you know, again, if you have been a part of

863
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:24,159
this for an extended period of time
and have have done the proper research,

864
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:29,800
talk to people, and and and
you know, I've really really studied what's

865
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,720
going on, you know, you've
come to realize that there is there's a

866
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:40,319
lot more unknown elements to the phenomena
than you know, we'll probably be able

867
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:45,319
to grasp, you know, within
our lifetime and probably not for a few

868
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:50,479
other lifetimes from now. I think
there is a bit of a shift.

869
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:56,319
I talked to people that research cryptos
and Bigfoot and so forth, and the

870
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,680
classic UFO types, and there is
a little more or acceptance of some of

871
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:09,039
the recognize recognition of the high strangeness
aspects of this. But you're still going

872
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:13,199
to have that hardcore. Uh.
You know, it's like, uh,

873
01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:15,800
it's like a brick in the bucket. You know, you put as much

874
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,640
water in as you can, but
that's not going to dissolve the brick.

875
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:23,439
So do you still have that?
You can use that analogy if you want

876
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,319
that. I like that. I
like that. That's a that's a great

877
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:30,239
one. Well, well, Tim, where can we where can we contact

878
01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:33,079
you? And how do we find
your books? Sure? Well, you

879
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:39,600
can find mimics the others among us
on Amazon dot com both as a print

880
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:45,079
and uh and an e book.
Uh. Possibly you can find it at

881
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:49,000
your your favorite local bookstore. Uh, if not asked for it, they

882
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,720
can they can get you a copy. Because I always I always encourage everyone

883
01:15:53,800 --> 01:16:00,119
to patriotize your your your favorite local
bookstore. And my my website is conspiracy

884
01:16:00,399 --> 01:16:08,279
journal dot com, even though we've
never really been about conspiracies. It's the

885
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:15,039
name actually came from an old newspaper
that Tim Beckley used to put out years

886
01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:21,319
and years ago, long before the
internet. At it dealt more with like

887
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:26,239
UFOs and stuff. But uh,
but he wanted to keep that going as

888
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:30,640
a an Internet version, So it's
just kind of stuck. Yeah, because

889
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,479
right now, boy, I tell
you, the word conspiracy has got all

890
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:41,359
kinds of really a bag bad and
negative connotations. And then you know,

891
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,840
our website is a little bit more
lighthearted. You know, we look at

892
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,279
the you know, UFOs and ghosts
and cryptic creatures and you know, interesting

893
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:55,359
stuff like that. Definitely stay away. We definitely stay away from politics and

894
01:16:56,039 --> 01:17:00,279
grim things like that. Well,
and listen, I love that newsletter really

895
01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:02,479
a kind of a catalog. I
was like a little kid circling all the

896
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,119
books I wanted, and I would
sometimes I would just I would clip the

897
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:11,319
little you know, the uh,
the order blank and fill it out and

898
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,399
you know, total up the shipping
properly and send it off. And I

899
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,920
knew that within a couple of weeks
I'd be getting some great Tim Beckley tones.

900
01:17:20,039 --> 01:17:23,359
I missed that I missed that as
well. Ah, it was.

901
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,359
It was so much fun. And
you know, he had all the DVDs

902
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,199
and the way he would promote stuff, you know, the way he would

903
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:32,560
title stuff was just great. And
by the way, Andy, do you

904
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,880
have any way for people to contact
you? Do you have like a mercer

905
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:42,479
clearing house or anything? You want
to contact me? He's always good little

906
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,720
Facebook. Yeah, I'm usually looking
around them most of time to say,

907
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,000
I'm a process of my publishing company
together at the moment. Let's give me

908
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:53,920
very busy. But yeah, you
always fought behind him Mercer dot one hundred

909
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,760
on Facebook. For some reason,
I got that little number into my name.

910
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,439
But yeah, but Andy, d
if i'd me sound very special,

911
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:10,039
you're you're the one hundred version of
Andy Mercer. Funny Now some time got

912
01:18:10,359 --> 01:18:14,520
caught a faby quest from the Mercer
group. There's quite a few of us

913
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,359
apparantly who've been added into this Facebook
group, and there's a couple of manny

914
01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:21,279
Mercers in it as well, so
it's quite fun. Well, Tim,

915
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,239
thank you so much for being here
tonight. This is really a great show.

916
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,760
Hey, my pleasure. It was
great talking with you two, and

917
01:18:30,079 --> 01:18:34,560
I hope you're pud tonight as well. Yes, very good, and let

918
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,199
me do my clothes out and we'll
just we'll talk for a minute after the

919
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:43,880
show. The High Strangers Factor was
created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer and

920
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,359
as copywriter by the Paranormal UK Radio
network. I want to thank our fearless

921
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:53,439
leaders here at Paranormal UK Radio,
Irene Ellen, block Mark Johnson and Andy

922
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:59,880
Mercer. Andy covers everything, including
producer, host, and the clothes out

923
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,239
of the show. The music for
the show. Brian Zeller does the opening

924
01:19:03,319 --> 01:19:08,960
theme. I could also be heard
by Macloney's Military X Files as a correspondent

925
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,840
on this same network and many other
platforms. And I am Steve Ward,

926
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,720
your humble host here on the High
Strangeness Factor, a displaced Michigander deep in

927
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:21,640
the Ohio Valley in West by Good, Virginia, a short walk from downtown

928
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:27,800
Point Pleasant, living on the same
road where Mothman chase cars half a century

929
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,159
ago. Thank you all for listening, Andy, and I will see you

930
01:19:30,239 --> 01:20:00,199
all again in a fortnight. Take
care,