Welcome to this edition of The High Strangers Factor, copyrighted on the Paranormal UK
Radio Network. Today we're going to talk about the book Mimics by Tim Schwartz
and other contributors from the front cover. The Others among us. They have
been called many names throughout time, God's angels, demons, the good folk,
shape shifters, extraterrestrials. They look human, they act human, but
they are not human. They are the others. I am Steve Ward and
with me is Andy Mercer. Welcome back, Andy, Thank you. Yeah,
first time in quite a one. Yes, really, nobody knows about
the technical difficulties we had opening up, so it's kind of a nail biter
there for a minute. Nice nice at Death's over. And anyway, I
thought, I know that you moved into a new house and had had some
difficulties with things breaking. How are I think our things pretty much put back
together now? No, nowhere near as Unfortunately, we knew about the problem
we had with a roof, which we've got fixed fairly quickly, but we've
had a drainage issue, a leak downstairs, leak which we've now discovered as
due to the fact that a second manhole was put in for the down bathroom,
and the guy who didn't didn't have very good jump of it at all,
and it's all sagging underneath. It's now leaked and it's going to surface
water. So I have to do large holes in our kitchen floor to fix
it, which is not pretty good. The trouble was the house had been
empty for about four months before we moved in and just got left to deteriorated
a little bit. Unfortunately. That was that was a problem there. But
as far as we all went, apart from the kitchen floor, it's going
to be fine here. My office is now fully unpacked in my new space,
which is a little smaller than mill once. It's rather cramped full of
books, but it's um, it's all good. Otherwise. Well, I'm
still not quite organized from being here for a year, but I'm getting there.
Yeah. So it's one of these things, isn't it. You end
up for them. We'll probably a few boxes tucked away in a corner that'll
probably never get unpacked. We have the old place we had boxes says around
literally for years, and one I'm fully up back it'll be the same.
Before we start. I've got something really interesting to value, which by the
time this will go out, it will have happened. But this coming weekend
I am finally meeting face to face irone and Mark really, Oh, that's
right, he's making the trip over there. Yeah. Marks, Actually he's
in the air as we are speaking at the moment he landed by the time
this goes out, but as we are speaking, he's in the air on
his way over. And we're meeting at the weekend and off to bath Bath
the town not a bath, right, Yeah, I've actually been there.
Oh yeah, I love He's great. That was a little while ago.
Go back again. So we're meeting out in the aft the afternoon after in
the evening. Um we've seen discussable things parallel, so it should be interesting
to finally meet these guys after all these years while I'm working in them since
about twenty sixteen, thinks of that. So we've been as to finally meet.
That'll be amazing and be sure and Cheldm I said, hi, I
will indeed yes. And now let's introduce our guest and maybe maybe Tim has
some horror stories about his plumbing. We'll find out. Tim R. Sports
is an Indiana native and an Emmy Award winning television producer and videographer. He's
also the author of Jeff the Talking Mongoose, The Eighth Wonder of the World,
Alien Artifacts, The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla, Tim R. Swartz's
Big Book of Incredible Alien Encounters, Time Travel, Fact Not Fiction, and
many others. As a photojournalist, Tim has traveled extensively and investigated paranormal phenomena
and other unusual mysteries in such diverse locations as the Great Pyramid in Egypt to
the Great Wall in China. He has also a on the History Channel programs
The Tesla Files, Ancient Aliens, Ancient Aliens Declassified, and the History Channel
Latin America series Contacto Extraterrestriy. His articles have been published in magazines such as
Fate, Strange, Atlantis, Rising, UFO, Universe Mysteries, Renaissance,
and Unsolved UFO Reports. His most recent book is Mimics The Others among Us.
Kim is also the co host of the radio show The Paracast along with
Gene Steinberg www dot Paracast dot com. Tim Welcome back to The High Strangers
Factor. Why Steve Andy, Thank you very much. I really appreciate you
having me on today. Well, this is this is really a great book.
And I notice it's kind of done in the tradition of the Timothy Greenbeckley
Global Communications, you know interlife, because you guys have all worked together for
years and put out these great book books with a lot of contributors and covering
a wide subject matter. Uh, you know tim Tim Beckley would uh sometimes
you dig out these these ancient tones that were unaffordable and reprint them and then
add material and uh mimics is Uh, there's there's new material, there's old
material, and it just covers a really wide spectrum. Uh. How did
the idea for this book come about? Well, you know this, uh,
this is a subject. Oh and and and and I should say Steve
that I guess that we've all been involved in in plumbing problems because I had
I had to have a plumber out at out at my place just last week.
Oh boy, and uh you know, I mean we've been living in
this house for twenty plus years, so most of you know, most of
the major problems we've had ironed out. But once every two years, the
plumbing from the kitchen sink gets uh gets clogged up. It has it's got
like a couple of narrow turns somewhere along after it gets into the wall,
and the plumber bile film is what he calls. It builds up in there
and there's nothing you can do except get a get a snake in there.
But the turns, you know, are like ninety degrees, so I can't
do it myself. So they have to get like the rotor rooter out and
just root out the drains. But but yeah, we're we're all in the
uh the same club when it when it comes to the boy, I mean
problems with mine, though it sounds like nothing compared to the problems that you
do have had, I think Andy wins. Oh yeah, well i'll see
that. Joys of home ownership. Oh, we've come through the conclusion that
the only before, the previous one is basically just a bunch job man did
all himself and just he just did his best, which wasn't very good,
unfortunate, so have to deal with the consequences of that. Well, I'm
sure that you'll be able to get it fixed up to your liking. Uh
yeah, sooner or later, and especially if you're living, you know,
in a a in a smaller village than there's always plenty of people who who
are there to offer advice, whether or not it's good advice. Yeah,
all right, Well anyway back to your your question. Um, you know,
this has been a subject that had been kind of rolling around in my
in my mind for a while, and I somewhat attribute it to John Keel.
And he had a book called Our Haunted Planet. Oh yeah, and
there is and and I got that book. Oh my gosh, I was
just a just a young teenager, uh when I when I got my first
copy, and that that was when you could actually go to a drug store
and buy paranormal paperbacks, which is which is where I got this, um,
several of my first paperback editions of John Keel's books, So you know,
I got from the same a drug store. But in this book,
he has a section that he starts out the chapter and the chapter is called
Mimics of Man and it's really just maybe about a half a page on this
subject. He kind of uses it as a jumping off point to other somewhat
related subjects. But Keel speculates that that perhaps there are other intelligent beams that
live with us on on this planet that aren't human, but mimic us in
order to to blend in. You know. He says that they could like
live in big cities as hermits able to blend in just because it is uh,
you know, there are big cities and uh, and then just kind
of leaves it from there. And I just always thought, I just that
just always intrigued me, that idea that we may not be the only species
on this planet, intelligent species, and that there could be another life form
that can look like us, either to escape being prayed on or to prey
upon us. You know, I mean, that's that's the way it is.
A nature. Uh, nature has lots of of of mimicry for usually
either one of those reasons. And so if if you're like me and you
spend any time on this subject, you you start to notice all of the
cases that involves human like beings that obviously aren't human, whether it you know,
whether you go back into the ancient past and look at the stories of
angels or demons or the teachers that came from the sky or from you know,
from the caves or the the ocean. You know, you have all
kinds of different societies and cultures who have these rich traditions of teachers that came
from various locations to uh give the young humankind instructions on mathematic agriculture other things
like that, and uh and then you just you know, you go from
there, you know, you look at the stories in the Bible. Sean
cass Steele in our book has has an excellent chapter talking about the Watchers,
who were supposedly angels assigned by God to keep an eye on the young mankind.
But these watchers, I guess got a little too close and decided that
human women were you know, that's uh were the things to uh be a
part of and uh came down, got married and sired children, which was
always kind of odd considering that supposed the angels were sexless beans, but the
outwatchers obviously were not. And then you go on into more modern times where
you have the stories of fairies and the good folk, then right up onto
the UFO era, where we no longer really accept the sort of angels or
fairies, but the idea that human looking extraterrestrials from other planets could be visiting
this So that was really the jumping off point for this book. And as
you said, Stephen, Steve all the writers that we brought in for this
book, we all had been involved over the years working with late Timothy Green
Beckley, and I had decided with some previous books that I would try to
bring us all together and start trying to produce the same kind of books that
uh, that that Tim would uh would put out. I mean, all
of us had a great time contributing to these books with Tim, and I
wanted to keep that up. Uh. Most of those previous books got a
lot of great attention, uh, got a lot of great feedback and sales.
So so naturally, you know, let's uh, let's try to to
keep that going. And and of course, right at the very beginning of
the book, we mentioned Tim Beckley and you know, thank him for everything.
And yeah more, yeah, the more the better. Do you have
any on the horizon or in the hopper or any any any concepts coming up?
Perhaps? Oh yeah, yeah, we're we're always uh trying to you
know, come up with with new ideas. This this book really hasn't been
out that long. We uh we brought it out and uh, I think
March, March or April, so we've been a lot of us have been
kind of um on our soap box stumping for this book. But now we're
kind of getting to the point where it's like, okay, let's start throwing
out some ideas on you know, on a new book. You know,
we gotta we gotta keep the keep the ball rolling. But but the great
thing about these group of writers, and you know, you got some wonderful
people, you know, like Sean Castile, uh, Paul Dale Roberts,
Nigel Watson, uh, Scott Corrallis. Yeah. Yeah, I mean all
I had to do was just basically say to them, all right, here
is the idea. And then you know, you know, you know,
mimics things that look like people but aren't go with it, and and every
a egyst I mean, oh, I mean, you know the contributions,
which is fantastic. Yeah, And it's it's one of these books that you
don't have to sit down and read from cover to cover. You can pick
the chapter you want to start with and jump around. So because it's a
lot of them are very self contained. Even though there is a general theme
throughout the book, Yeah, we uh definitely tried to to keep it within
a certain parameters. And one of the reasons is that this is a subject
that and and I've I've gotten questions like this from from other shows along the
lines of, well, who do you think is out there? Now?
That is a mimic And you know, they they want me, they want
us to speculate on like say, celebrities or politicians are things like that.
And that's you know, considering the current political situation in the United States,
that's not something that we wanted to do it because you know that that kind
of stuff is already just just mired in the mud. So this speed and
it's just like, yeah, nah, that's that's not that's really not what
this book is about. Because a lot of the subjects that we approach in
this book tend to be one off situations. All right, Uh, there
are some repeats, but I'm trying to think I don't think they're I don't
think there's any case where somebody was saying, well, you know, like
this this celebrity or this person is is a reptilian. That's that's one of
the main things. You know, people are wanting to know who the reptilians
are out there. And and I I'll say this right now, my my
suspicions about the whole supposedly Reptilian conspiracy. So that's that's a good point about
that. So many of these things, whether you're looking at aerial craft in
the sky, entities supposedly stepping out of them, encounters in the woods,
so many of them are are not identical. I mean, sometimes you'll get
sort of a common bigfoot thread or whatever. But that's one of the things
Keeled dealt with. And there's window areas where you had so many different entities
craft situations that it you know, it just didn't make you. Did it
mean that we're being visited by one hundred and fifty different civilizations, you know?
Or did it mean something else? Yeah, that's the stints, you
know. The uh, the subject matter can really go all over the place.
And uh and and really none of us were afraid to do that,
you know, uh, because the whole mimic phenomena really seems to be a
kind of all of the above type of situation. Now, I I did
want to try to um limit the the the extraterrestrial hypothesis of this of this
subject, you know, but unfortunately, I mean, you can't avoid it.
It's it's it's part of our culture now. But I didn't want to
make the book just entirely well, mimics are nothing more than extraterrestrials that either
look like us or or or can look like us, you know, because
it's it's obvious that the phenomena is is a lot more um broader than that.
And you know, I think we did a pretty good job with that.
Like I said, you know, you really can't avoid that particular subject.
But I did have one person complained in one of our reviews that there
was too much about aliens, you know, in the book. But again
it's like, you know, you can't and you shouldn't avoid it. You
just don't want to make it, you know, the entire thesis that would
just you know, that would be an entirely different book altogether. Yeah,
I think there's a there's quite a better variety in there. Have either of
you guys seen the film Mimic? Oh? Yes, yeah, I thought
it was very well done, and it was It was based on one of
my favorite short stories called Mimic by Donald Day Woolheim. And it's only about
ten or eleven pages long, and you'll find it in anthology sometimes, and
it starts out with something you mentioned earlier to him where he talks about different
kinds of insects how they mimic other insects or animals to try to avoid being
eaten or so that they can prey on others. And then he starts talking
about this strange man that lived in town that would always keep by him to
himself and wouldn't look people straight in the eye, and he especially avoided women
because women, you know, notice men better. And I won't tell you
there's a great twist at the end, and I'm not going to spoil it
if you ever come across it, but they did a nice job. That
was kind of their launching point to write this script for the movie Mimic,
which I just thought was very good and kind of the way they did the
special effects with these creatures where you would see them and they looked like,
you know, like a man in a slouch hat wearing a long coat,
and then they transform him. I thought that was really well done. Yeah,
Andy, if you've never seen the movie, I highly recommend that you
that you look forward. Yeah, it's it's it's really good. Um,
yeah, that's uh, you know, we we referenced that movie and and
of course John Carpenters they live you know, you can't, uh, you
can't, you can't avoid that one. But again, you know, they're
you're you're back then to the the extraterrestrial type of hypothesis, and it's you
know, it's it is it's a it's a cultural bias thing really uh in
in in my viewpoint, because you have the same kind of encounters that we're
taking place five hundred years ago, but of course nobody had ever thought about,
you know, extraterrestrials or anything. So instead they they attribute these kind
of encounters to, you know, depending on where you live, uh to
you know, the good folks or maybe ancestor spirits or again, you know,
back to the angels and demons type of thing. So you know,
it's um uh it's it's interesting the on how you look at these stories,
and it makes me wonder also, five hundred years in the future, how
this phenomena will have evolved. Because unless we're unless science is able to take
that leap forward and better understand this, you know, these kinds of of
of unusual phenomena, there's no doubt that this kind of stuff will still be
with us. I think as long as people are around, this kind of
phenomena is going to be with us. Are you familiar with a book by
Walter Bosley called Shimmering Light? Oh? Yes, Yes, And that's that
kind of falls along with the theme and what it is. His father was
involved in intelligence and this story came out piecemeal over so many years, and
his father was a air crash recovery team and they routed him to someplace in
Arizona for this crash, and it turned out the crash was the same had
the same occupants that crashed at Roswell according to the story, but they weren't
aliens. They were humans, a part of a break off civilization. So
here you bring in sort of the et idea and the humans where they're actually
don't try to mimic us so much, they just try to avoid us.
Now. I don't know if it's a true story or not, and Bosley
doesn't really know for sure either, but it's my favorite Roswell theory anyway.
It's it's a great story and it's very intriguing to Yes, And we address
that to a certain extent, you know, in the book. And I
kind of jump off to that from sections about wild Men's or of wild men
and bigfoot not that I'm not that I'm saying that a lot of these a
lot of the cases of the others are shaved bigfoot with sunglasses on an overcoat,
you know, uh, try trying to get by, you know,
in the big city type of thing. Just trying to just trying to get
on public assistance. You know, that's right, that's right, just trying
to live their life. Man. But more along the lines of looking at
the possibility that again, that that Homo sapiens may not be the only hominid
species, intelligent hominid species on the planet. I mean, you know,
current current thinking is that all of ours, uh Neanderthal, the Sylvans,
arcs think, but what if they're not. What if there is another cousin
species, two human kinds, that somewhere in the ancient past decided that,
you know, the hell with this, We've had enough with the Homo sapiens.
You know, first moved out into the forest, then moved out into
the deserts, you know, as we get starting croaching, and then into
the mountains, and then finally under the mountains, kind of like what Walter
Bosley was talking about, you know, and and again, you know,
if this is a cousin species. They're more than likely just as smart,
if not smarter than us, and prone probably to technological development just like us.
So I use that as as an idea, and again somewhat based on
Bosley's and other people's accounts, that the others could actually be a a kissing
cousin, a species to us that you know, at times will infiltrate with
us, live among us for whatever reasons. There are obviously some differences that
people who have close encounters with these beans can see and can tell. Sometimes
it's physical dissimilarities, other times it's more of a gut feeling type of situation.
So again, you know, we try to look at every possible aspect
of this phenomena, from the you know, from the paranormal to the physical
to the extraterrestrial. I mean, you know, we want to give we
wanted to give everything a fair shak well. And of course Ivan Sanderson INVISI
Residents, was intrigued by all the UFO reports, uh, you know,
seen coming in and out of the oceans and lakes and so forth, and
even submarines tracking things that at very high speeds, and he kind of went
down that same road. I don't. I don't know if he was suggesting
that was a breakaway civilization or maybe aliens had built bases underneath the oceans,
but it is something that really needs to be dealt with because you know,
there is so much of that activity that has been reported over the years.
Oh yeah, well, and you know, it's it's very interesting to me
that over the last five years especially, there's been a renewed interest with USOS,
uh, you know, and some of these videos that have come out
from the military seeming to show um UFOs and I'm still going to use the
word uf Oh, I'm not going to fall into the UAP grub. Listen.
I'm with you one hundred percent. I'd rather I'd rather say flying saucer
than choke on you. All Right, We're just too we're just too old
and too too set in our ways. That's right, that's right. I
know, I am so I mean so yeah, I mean it. It
is uh, it is interesting that the idea, I mean, you know,
even in the heyday of of of UFOs in the sixties and seventies,
the USO encounters, with the exception of people like Ivan T. Sous Anderson,
didn't really get much love. So it's nice to see that that that
more recent accounts are coming out and people are starting to pay more attention to
him. You know, uh Andy has a pretty good story that I think
could fall under the mimic category. And Andy, you told me about a
woman and this wasn't that long of a report where she saw something that might
have been considered a modern day spring heel Jack. Oh, yes, absolutely,
yeah, Oh I want to hear I want to hear that. I'll
tell you the story. This is going about about twenty years. I used
to work at Saint Paul's Cathedral in London. That's the big cathedrals in London.
It also has quite a large retail business behind it as well, and
there's a large shop having to do events in the evenings in the in the
cryptic's actually come to the public and they have sort of dinners and bank with
sort of things. I was working there and interesting the paran al of course,
I was chatting with a woman who was in the sixties. She worked
there as well. She did a lot of the design of the laud of
the shop and it's sort of about interests of strange experiences and that sort of
thing, and she said, well, I had an odd encounter when she
first came to London, and I would have been in the early sixties.
She moved here from Ireland and was dating a chap who was also Irish and
living in North London. And so one occasion they'd walked home together back to
where she was living, and they were standing on the steps and he was
standing in his back to the front door, and she was looking towards him
and kissing, and he sort of grabbed it and said, don't her around,
and she said, well why, and of course she looked round.
It was a dag me across from the front door. This was at nighttime.
There was a tree, and there was a man standing under the tree.
His eyes seemed to be glowing, and then he jumped, she said,
jumped backwards and disappeared. Now, she'd never heard of Springhill jack before,
knew nothing about it at all, and get the way he glowing eyes
and then jumping backwards seemed to fit very much the description of spring Hill jack
from eighteen hundreds was. I say, she'd never heard of it before.
She was astounded when I told her of the leaden Springhill Jackson. That's really
what we saw just this man seemed to be standing there under the tree looking
at us and just seemed to sort of jump backwards and disappear. It was
all very strange, and rather spoot the hair out of her. That's a
great that's a great story. And how many people can jump backwards like that
exactly. But the very fact that she'd never heard of it before, you
had no idea. She was a good Catholic, as she said herself,
should know interested in such things, really did speaker. You know, you
know, Tim, you wrote it. One of the chapters that you wrote,
Uh, what's it called Glamor of the Shape Shifters, which deals a
lot with the elementals and so forth, And there are a couple of things
in there that I was intrigued by. One of these is called a Nixie.
It's a water spirit Germanic a Swedish background origins, and h it could
shape shift into women and so forth, and uh, you know, try
to lure me into their doom, uh, that sort of thing. But
it was interesting. It could turn into a woman, and it could also
One of the things that could turn into was a baby crying. And I
thought that's interesting because the baby crying comes from is an element of poltergeist phenomena.
And then then one other kind of parallel, this this nixy, you
know, it might turn into a beautiful woman and seduce the man to come
with her or it. Uh, but it wasn't date night because you usually
you didn't end up being drowned in a lake or something like that. But
but that parallel is very similar to the kelpie, which would turn into a
horse or a very handsome man or whatever, lure women to their doom and
drown them. So and they know, two completely different you know, origins,
but interesting parallels with some of these m especially the m the aspects of
these things calling to people and and trying to lure them away, you know,
into these these these dark forbidding places, and it's it's it's something that
that we're still hearing about today. Um uh, there was and this this
happened a few years ago, but if if you look for it, you
can find it probably on YouTube where this guy who is um it's out west
somewhere and he's on a horse and broad daylight and several of these videos was
of just kind of like unusual things that were going on around his ranch.
But he's outside the gate on his horse on this gravel road and he's just
recording, you know, what's going on. All sudden you hear this voice
coming from the bushes on the side go hey, and the horse kind of
falters a little bit, and then it repeats itself, Hey, and the
horse just stops and turns around. He's not doing anything. It's the horse
that reacts. The horse reacts and heads right back towards the gate into the
into the ranch. But uh, you know, these are the type of
encounters that you run across, uh quite often. And again we we look
into some of the cases involving the beans called the Black Eyed Kids. Yes,
which I mean, you know we you with this kind of book,
you can't avoid the Black Eyed Kids. And it's it's kind of a similar
circumstance where these things are all are wanting permission to either come inside the house,
come inside the car. They can't do anything unless they're given permission.
And it's it's very similar to the old the old stories of vampires, you
know, where where the vampire would um would be out inside your bedroom window
and call your name and asked to be led inside, or even if you
answered, you know, if they called your name, and you know,
you're like, what then that was permission enough, you know, for them
to come to come inside. But but again you're seeing these very interesting parallels
to these age old cases to modern modern modern cases. Sorry, go ahead.
Even with the Nixie, it occurs to me that these people that are
Pixie lead, that are are that wander off or get lost or confused.
And then if you at just sort of like shades of Missing four one one
where some of the people are found in water. I mean, some people,
thank god, survive and they can't really explain what happened to them,
but others end up drowned. You know, I think, my god,
that's almost like the old folklore of the Nixie and some of these other water
spirits. Yes, exactly. Um, And you know you can't you can't
avoid these these missing four one one cases and not thinking of think about these
kinds of of of circumstances. Now, I talked to uh, to someone
one time, UH that this this actually would have ended up being like a
what like a third person account because the situation actually happened to the woman who
they were renting their house from. All right, but this woman and her
family were out hiking, uh on a It wasn't even a mountainous you know,
trail. It was like in a state forest. And their family had
gotten a little bit ahead of them, all right, just around a corner,
no more than, if you know, a couple of yards ahead of
them. And this woman said that all of a sudden, she heard somebody
call her name from off in the woods, off of her path, you
know, off of the path. And she said she stopped because she wasn't
sure, you know that, Okay, did I really hear that? She
said the name repeated again, and then she lost consciousness, all right,
So her family hadn't gotten too far ahead, and they realized she wasn't there,
so they backtracked and they found her unconscious on the path, and apparently
she had been struck by a rock, because there was a pretty good sized
rock fairly close to where she was laid. And they speculate that somebody with
really good accuracy had beamed her with a rock right after they called her name.
That's I've heard others a book called Voices. I don't recall the author,
but when he was a kid, he's out playing basketball and off in
the woods he hears somebody call him and it sounds kind of like his father,
but he answers and what do you want? And this voice just keeps
calling him and he sends chills up your spine. He didn't obviously didn't go
into the woods because he might not have been around to write the book.
But you know these and that's also you look back into Swedish folklore and there's
the the elves or whoever would call the children to lure them off into the
forest. Let me do a quick station break here intermission. You are listening
to The High Strangeness Factor, a copyrighted on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.
Today Andy and I are talking to him sports about his book called Mimics The
Others among Us that he has compiled and written. Um okay, I got
a question for you guys. Something occurred to me when I was reading the
section on the black Eyed Kids in Tim's book. One of the I mean,
so many things don't make any sense. You know that they're some kind
of a hybrid or alien or whatever. That just doesn't wash. But somebody
mentioned that perhaps there's some kind of an elemental and that kind of struck a
chord with me that might be the only thing that kind of makes any sense,
because I think I've gotten beyond Back in the early on, I thought
that these had to be urban legends. But now with the works of David
Weatherly and Nick Redfern, it seems like it's a real phenomenon. But I
was wondering if that makes any sense at all, And then I started wondering,
you know, you think about somebody really bizarre men and black accounts,
which could some of these be elementals or fall in that category. I know
that Keel often would use the word altra terrestrial and elemental interchangeably. That resonates
with you guys at all. That's certainly the idea of the other's ultra terrestrials.
Of course, I personally have an issue with the Black Eyed Kids stuff.
I'm really not at all convinced to buy it for my own recollection.
A lot of those stories have emerged what he called keep your pastor type stories
that are deliberately made up and then sort of pushed out of it to the
world. I know there was a particular YouTube channel his name Escapes at the
moment the guy very deliberately promoted the Black Eyed Kids, but it was all
fake. His whole stakes, whole tube channel was fake, and he ended
up in all sorts of trouble with some of the more can we say,
loose minded parentlemal investigators from some rather unhinged people started pursuing him quite vigorously,
and he said the whole thing was all made up. Now, whether he
meant his own materials all made up or the whole black eyed kid thing was
made up, I'm not sure, but I personally have issues with the theory
of the black Eyed Kids. One of the things I've myself to him is
I've done a lot of research into sort of folklore and the origins of a
lot of these stranger stories and experiences, as was looking at ghosts and your
Man encounters and ground you are for things coming out of the earth, it'll
be in, et cetera. And there's no record of anything along the lines
of black Eyed Kids in those anthologies, earlier folklore stories in this and really
Encounters. There's plenty of very strange encounters, are very very strange things,
but no specific black eyed kids have ever been mentioned in those books. I've
read quite a few of them, so I'm always a little suspicious of things
like that. That have only come to light in the last sort of fifteen
twenty years or so. There's no sort of pre record of any of them.
It leads me wondering I have to answer you to well, I hope
you're right, because they creep me out, remembering with that channel. It's
it's still sort of floating around on YouTube and a lot of people will copy
these ins and repost them. There's something like Fabulous Daily or Mysterious Daily,
something along those lines. But there's a child called Inside a Mind. He
does a lot of document in English Land. There's lots of documentaries and the
doctuments who did on this case with the black Eyed kids is fascinating as well
worth finding if you can. Chan say it's called inside a Mind. If
you can find it, it's well worth watching. It's quite intriguing. Well,
one interesting thing is I know that Nick Redfern has says sometimes when he
gets on radio shows and talks about the Men in black and the black Eyed
Kids are radio stations will shut down, or they'll be static, or they'll
disconnect. And and David Weatherley was talking about what some people were reading his
book about black Eyed Kids. Their lights would flicker on and so forth.
It doesn't mean that that phenomena is real. There's all kinds of other things
that might might mess with that. Now. Fortunately, my lights aren't flickering
right now, so that's a good sign. Mind the find as well.
Well. You know, I have no doubt that a lot of these cases
that that have been reported to be to our hoaxes. You know, it's
because a lot of these submissions there's there's no way to track them down.
You know, they're just uh obscure stories on Reddit or places like that.
Um. I have myself talked to a few people face to face who have
claimed actual experiences with with the Black Eyed kids, and I have no I
have no good reason to doubt what the stories that they were telling me didn't
happen to them one because they had no idea that it was even a thing,
and uh until I was talking about it with them and they were just
like, oh my god. And that I had two stories that came to
me that way. But like say, like the slender Man, there stilles
seem to be almost a Talba type of situation with these things that that once
people start talking about these things, it's kind of like the you know,
like the old urban legends, you know, when I was younger, before
the prehistoric days, before the internet, and how stories would spread across the
country and then across the world just by word of mouth. And it happens
even faster now with the with the internet. But there could be almost like
a like a collective consciousness type of thing going on. Again, this is
something that you know, Keel wrote about along the lines with his his Ultra
terrestrials that you know, you get an idea going and it could almost take
on, at least for short periods of time, a life of itself.
How who knows, you know, uh, but but but it does seem
to happen. And then just as mysteriously, once people stop being interested in
these kinds of things, they they disappear again. Now there there were stories,
and of course these were the myths and legends of especially of ancient Japan,
of fox spirits that sometimes they would appear as say, like a beautiful
geisha. And but one of the ways that you can tell that it was
a fox spirit is that it had either white or black eyes. So but
but with a lot of these stories, i'd be depending on the region that
these stories originated from, there'd be all manner of different descriptions. You know,
some of them the fox spirit would look like a beautiful woman, but
she had a fox tail that she had to keep hidden under her kimonos.
So you know that'll put a damper on date night. Definitely, definitely,
But you know, yeah, yeah, I haven't run across uh, you
know Eddie's stories like that at modern times. I think it's one of the
interesting things I've always thought about the fact that these descriptions of these sorts of
beings do very enormously depending what part of the world you're in. I've always
seen, I talked about as many times put forward them notion really that these
things have no identity of their own. They just take on the identity that
suits our own understanding, our own with some beliefs, and as you say,
it's cleander man, it's definitely increaping. Pahas are totally made up.
But there is also that sense of the toll. But like, are you
generating something here? Are people having these sorts of sightings? I mean before
they talk about things like hat man very specific ghosts wear hats or those kind
of things. Again, it's a modern phenomenal. There's no history to it.
But people say they're seeing these things, so perhaps they really are manifesting
in the ways in which they think we want them to appear, that they
fit or conform with our own understands, our own ideas. That's where you
get such a range of beings cultural phenomenally that are quite different this common ghost
like in based on like Japan, you have that they're bound up and they
have to jump. I remember see these in sort of Japanese ghost fields.
They're jumping spirits that move. They can't move because they're bound up, but
they actually have to sort of jump, and it's just very strange. It
doesn't really fit of anything we have here. But yet these sorts of ghosts
arequ often seen, so I do think there's a definitely it's a cultural thing
of how they appear, rather than having a distinct form of their own.
You're talking about the uh the jumping spirits. There's there's actually movies that come
out of Malaysia and Thailand, especially about the jumping vampires. Yes, yes,
same though. Yeah, they're they're great. I love them. I
mean they're so different, you know from the UH Western you know, like
Christopher Lee Mill a ghosta type of Dracula. Well you were talking about though,
the uh uh like the differences with these things, you know, um,
depending on the culture. It's the same way with the the the the
UFO phenomena and encounters with what appears to be you know, UFO occupants.
I mean, I don't think very rarely and with the exception of the whole
abduction phenomena, which seems to be populated sorely by the Grays. But if
you look at all the case is that we've had over the years of people,
say just you know, coming across the landed UFO with things, you
know, running around outside of it. I don't think that there has been
any in any of these encounters where the beans all look the same each Yeah,
they're they're all different, But so many of these cases, I mean
you really you can't question the uh what am I? What am I trying
to think here? That not the legitimacy. I suppose the legitimacy of their
reports because you know, a lot of times they come from very you know,
well known and uh well renown people from their communities. But it very
rarely do you ever come across cases where these things look the same. So
you know, unless unless Planet Earth is like the galaxies version of disney Land,
you know, and we've we've got a million different civilizations visiting us,
you know, there's probably something else going on. Yes, Yes, it's
one of those interesting things you experienced with ghosting investigations, of the ghosty Paranelelal
investigations. I've been on quite a few of those. I've worked to a
company number years ago. They had events almost every weekend, and interesting you'd
get phenomena occurring and the same people in the room together we describe something different.
They had almost like they had their own experience of something strange occurring at
the same time as other people. So you'd have that person able to describe
one thing you are, person B, who was in the same room with
them at the same time, they describes something different. Person C had no
experience, didn't see or feeling anything. That was always very intriguing. No,
you get the pressure that I was making anything up. It's just they
interpreted that their experience based on their understanding of things, and if they had
a certain belief system, then they would lean towards seeing things in that way.
One of the things I did a lot of research on them. I'm
a psychotherapist by trade. Was I've recently retired, but I'd had a lot
of interest in the Old Hag syndrome, the sleep paralysis one of the experiences
people were having, and one of the things I noticed that was interesting when
I talked to people about their experiences of sleep priorsiscogi dreaming, that what the
experience depending quite a lot on what their beliefs were what interested them. People
who had an interest in magic or witchcraft or even horror films had the old
Hag that the woman saiding on the chest, that kind of which form rather
scary in that way. If they're interested more in UFOs and science fiction and
space even they had more the alien visitation experience. It seemed to what the
experience seemed to conform with what they're interested in. Those who who no interest
in either would have a much more mundane experience. One particular story just a
retail briefly quite anyone. I was working as a therapist. The guy came
and, seeing he was accountant, hem was have a lot of anxiety issues,
and I always ask questions about how well do you sleep? Do you
sleep ninth character and he said most of the time I'm okay, but sometimes
things get a little bit stressed, and he said, on one particular occasion,
I remember waking up in midd of the night and I couldn't move.
I wasn't looking at the seating and I couldn't move on my children or at
the end of the bed. They were playing, they were moving about it.
I don't know what they were doing there. Actually added out to them,
why are you there? And I realized nothing came out. I couldn't
make any sound, and said the next thing, and it was morning and
I woke up and I said, I asked my wife, and she said,
no, you didn't say anything, and spoke to my boys, and
I said, no, I've never left beds out at all. So he
was having that kind of experience. He was quite paralyzed. He was experiencing
something in the room with him. But because he had known just a your
phone or ghost or anything, it was just his kids. That's what he
was experiencing. So it does seem to be a conformity to what you're interested
in, what your belief systems are, even it's latent, you don't even
think about it. It's like stories you may have heard as a kid,
you've kind to put to the back of your mind, but they're your experience
of those things seems to be conformed with what it is you're interested in.
Now. My own belief when it comes asleep paralysis hypocoy duma is a psychological
phenomena. It's not supernatural paranormal. It is something that happens a lot more
commonly than we perhaps realize if people don't talk about it. But my years
as a therapist, I've come across it quite often. But people are having
stress or anxiety issues. It seems to be a common thing. Affix it
asleep. But it does make you wonder when you're having genuine phenomena I didn't.
I believe certainly occurs, but how much of it is subjective? How
is it to do it what we already believe or what our expectations are?
Oh yeah, definitely, I agree wholeheartedly that you know our expectations, you
know our belief systems, how we were raised have a lot to do with
how you view and perceive this kind of phenomenal. And I should add real
quick that when I was a teenager, I went through a period of having
kind of like a sleep paralysis to a certain point. But instead of seeing
weird things or supernatural creatures, I saw giant spiders. I'll take the supernatural
creatures. I think, oh yeah, well, I mean I would I
would see I would see like, you know, like a like a big
one crawling up the side of my bed towards me, or going up the
curtains. And of course then my sleep paralysis would leave very quickly and I'd
be wide I'd be wide awake. But at the time I realized, I
mean, I knew that this was, you know, a it was a
dream. It was a dream that was intruding because I was awake, I
could see my room. It was like a dream was being superimposed upon reality.
This is the way that I kind of was perceiving it. It's a
very intense day dream moment. Just see you if you what as an EEG
machine, you'll see your brain activity is on the verge of being on.
Wait, it's just under it's still slightly asleep. Often say, the best
of the thing about is if you're sitting at home kind of kind of drifting
off a little bit with the TV's on something, you're in a dream and
you wake up again, you jump out of it. That's the kind of
level that you're out with. Your brain hasn't properly come out of the sleep
cycle, but you're still a wave your surroundings. Go ahead and back to
the variety of UFO occupants. There's another aspect too that sometimes cultures different countries
seem to have different experiences. Back in the fifties, in France you had
a wave of landings with a kind of laid back humanoid types and silver suits.
In the US you had were more likely to have landings whether you're collecting
soil samples and running back in their egg shaped craft. And in South America
you would get sometimes these very violent attacks all the way up through the eighties
and nineties. You know, with Bob Pratt you're danger zone. Uh,
the choopas and sometimes people being hit by heat rays. I mean the stuff
that is supposed to have happened in South America is it's kind of unique.
And so you know, is this a does this reflect the culture somehow or
the belief system within that country? M yeah, and uh, I know
that cases in um Africa, and again depending on where they would happen at
where people would see occupants, I mean, they wouldn't be thinking along the
lines of extraterrestrials. They were thinking more along the lines of ancestral spirits.
This was this was a visit from the ancestors, maybe a warning, you
know, maybe you know, an omen of good things to come or bad
things to come, depending on you know, what what was going on.
So but the interesting thing that you just uh pointed out, Steve, is
that a lot of these cases occurred in a vacuum information vacuum, yes,
where these people wouldn't have any idea of the UFO phenomena, at least not
along those lines. I mean, so maybe aware that people have been seeing
things flying around the sky, but the whole aspect, especially early on in
the fifties sixties, where they would come across the landed craft with things running
around, was something just completely unknown to them. I mean, you know,
now it's very much a given part of our culture actually make you know,
the East make Saturday morning cartoons, you know, along those lines.
But there are a lot of people who wouldn't have any idea of the history
about what they were experiencing. So again, you know, it makes you
wonder. While I do believe that you know, there is a cultural aspect
to a lot of this. You know, what about these people who who
are experiencing it in an information not only an information vacuum, but a locational
vacuum as as well. Similar events throughout time in different parts of the world,
but with amazing similarities. There's another story that intrigued me in the book
that was reported by A Rosen Cullen from Dublin Live, and it's about a
woman from Meath that was in the wood. She walked through these two particular
trees and she went out and touched them. One was very cold and the
other was very warm. And once she got past this whatever it was,
barrier or what have you, she became completely disoriented and she couldn't find her
way back. She had she found a couple of different paths, what one
him to a dead end and then she started to hear kind of a low
laugh or even a giggle, and then it got to be more sinister,
and people hypothesized, I forget what they call it, but the fairies can
enchant a particular spot. There's a term for it. I just can't recall
it. They think that she probably stepped on one of these, but then
due to her you know, this is modern day. Due to her upbringing,
she heard that if you turn your clothes inside out, you can break
the spell. So she said she felt like a bloody idiot, but she
took her shirt off, turned it inside out, and put her back on.
She became, you know, she was not disoriented anymore and found her
way back out through the two trees. I just thought that was again another
sort of echo of Missing four one one. And there's another great story from
another book called The Middle Kingdom by Derma McManus, and it's about in the
nineteen thirties. His great aunt had a caretaker, a young lady, and
she was walking one day. She went up and climbed up this fairy mound,
which was a big mistake, and when she tried to come down,
it was it was broad daylight. She came to a barrier where she couldn't
get through, and as the night went on, they were out looking forward
with torches and she was yelling and screaming. They couldn't hear her. Now,
she didn't see anything like a mimic or an entity, but she felt
the presence of something very evil up at the top of the mound. But
anyway, finally the barrier broke down, she followed the torches off in the
distance and got home. So I just thought another kind of intriguing parallel there,
and with her situation, you know, I have to wonder some of
these people that have vanished, were they in a situation where they were yelling
at people to hear them and they couldn't hear them for whatever reason? Right?
Right, Yeah, that's uh. I came across a story and you
know, it's it's always frustrating. And I know that you realize that,
Steve, that after you write a book, then you then you run a
cross just all kinds of even more interesting stories that should have been in the
book, like Andy's story about spring Hill Jack. Yes, yes, exactly
exactly. But there was a very similar story of a couple. Again,
there's a couple of hikers going and this was like not even like a national
or a state park or something. It was just kind of like a small
hiking area surrounded by woods that I mean, a relatively narrow path of woods.
And as they started out on their hike, they came across another pair
of hikers that were coming back from the direction that they were heading, and
the hikers told them that there had been a washout in the path up ahead
and to watch out for it well. When they got to the area where
the washout was, it was right next to a like a ranger tower that
they used to look for fires in the wood, and they noticed that the
tower looked like it had been abandoned. The windows were covered in paper.
They said it was dirty and looked like it han't been occupied in a long
time, which they thought was odd because they seemed to remember that it had
been occupied not too long before. So they went around this washout, and
as they proceeded on the path, they realized that they had must have gotten
off on their usual path and onto a different one. But again, because
these woods were fairly narrow, with like a highway on the other side,
they weren't too concerned. But as they proceeded along, the woods seemed to
get deeper and deeper, and they said it seemed like that it was becoming
like twilight outside, even though it was supposed to be like maybe one o'clock
in the afternoon. It seemed like it was getting darker and darker. They
checked their cell phones. Their cell phones were one of them was completely dead,
and the other one was not picking up any kind of tower. So
as they proceeded along, they started coming to like valleys and hills that they
swear should not have been there. And at this point it's getting almost pitch
black, and they were extremely worried. But rather than turning around and going
back the way they came, they just kept going forwards. Finally they came
to a point on the path where there were two large honeysuckle bushes. As
they put it up, one on each end of this path, almost like
a natural gait. They said, as soon as they passed those honeysuckle bushes,
they were back. They were in broad daylight. They said. It
was like going from a dark room into bright sunlight. That's the way they
said it was. And they were kind of shocked for a moment, you
know, like what happened. And they looked back between the honeysuckle trees.
Everything looked normal. They you know, they went through that gateway a couple
of times. Everything was fine, except that they had lost about three hours,
you know what, in what would have been probably a half hour forty
five minute walk, not very far. They said that whether they had no
other way of getting back, so they had to go backtrack the way that
they came. Everything was normal. When they got to that the Rangers Tower,
it was open, clean, They're rangers in it, completely different than
what they had seen a little bit before. So I mean, not really
a mimic story. Those are great stories though, where a great one.
But people kind of step into this other realm and they do make it back.
And if some of these people seem very credible, uh, what about
the people that don't make it back? Exactly exactly? And I should shout
out to Paul Paulino who has an excellent chapter in the Mimics book, uh,
talking about his theories on the on parasites as as he calls them,
which can in certain circumstances mimic people voices and even in appearance. It's it's
it's amazing how how far ahead John Keel was with all this back in his
day. And he really was, wasn't he? And another I've always been
a tragued but you know, uh uh. Sir Arthur corner Doyle, well
known for Sherlock Holmes, was also a paranomyal investigator. Hear about the book
The World of the Fairies. He actually said in there sounded like John Keele
one hundred years earlier. The appearance of the fairies are largely dependent on the
viewer, the people the person seeing them, And I thought, isn't that
interesting? And that kind of goes along with what we were actually talking about
tonight, you know, one of the one of the things that I point
out in the book with some of these encounters with the others and I and
you know, I have to say that they're in this book. I mean,
we have all kinds where people actually will have a long drawn out conversations
with these things and then not really I mean realize that something was off until
afterwards. Uh, something that we see quite often with these kind of cases.
But but there has been situations where somebody will see what appears to be
a person kind of you know, I'll use for example, the spring Hill
spring Hill Jack type of being that um Andy reported on that they'll see something
like that, and the the being will notice that they're being observed and will
look surprised. I get that so many times from a lot of these cases
where people will say the same thing, you know, They'll say, you
know, whatever the thing was that I was looking at will notice that I'm
watching it and they said in the shock on its face, you know,
just it it was. It was surprised that I could see it, and
I don't hear that a lot. Nice to know you can shock an elemental
once in a while. Yeah, well it's and it goes back to what
we were talking about earlier on how different people will report different things from from
a shared circumstance. Okay, especially a lot of times, you know,
like with ghost encounters, where some people will report seeing the ghosts, other
people won't see other thing won't see anything. Other people will hear something but
not see anything. So you know, it makes you wonder whether or not
that you know again, you know, do do some people have the ability
to see these things or to interact with them while others don't. You know,
the same thing with UFOs, right of course, you remember John Tenny.
John Tenny lives in u He was in downtown Royal Look, which is
just north of Detroit some years back, and he looks up in the sky.
It's broad daylight, and he sees this classic UFO up there and he's
looking around, he's trying to get other people to see it. And he
looks over and he says, this one young girl, she's also looking up
and she sees it. So there's like only two people in this crowd of
people in broad daylight noticing this thing, yet everybody else didn't care or as
oblivious or just couldn't see it. It's um. I've come across a couple
of similar circumstances when it comes to people encountering a mimic, where they will
try to see if if anybody else, say like with their group, can
see this thing. And a lot of times it's almost like the other people
are deliberately not paying attention or not noticing. Yeah, it's it's it's almost
like like a hypnotism type of thing for one of a better word. Uh.
This one case, I know that I talked to this woman. She
was she was with her family and they were in a mall and she saw
it was it was a group of young girls actually, you know, like
teenagers, and one of these girls, she said, sparkled. That's that's
the only way that she could describe it. She said that it was like
she had a thousand little led lights on her sparkling, and and and but
you know, obviously you know, you know she didn't but she could see
this and she was trying to talk to her husband and her kids. Look
at that girl, look at it, and nobody in her family paid attention
to her talking to them. They just ignored her. And it wasn't until
afterwards, after this girl had passed that she said, why aren't you talking?
And they're like, what are you talking about? And they they had
they had no record election that she had been trying to talk to them to
point this girl out to him. You remember Marcella Bennett, one of the
early mothman witnesses. She was coming back to her car holding her child,
and this is when the mothman was unlanked. But whatever it most is lying
on the ground and rose up. But before that, her brother was trying
to get her to look up at this strange light, and she wouldn't pay
any attention to it. She didn't want to hear about it. And then
this thing rose up with the red eyes, and there was Her focus was
elsewhere. But again that you're right, this is almost like some kind of
a hypnosis thing. And because it's uh, there's no other explanation. Well,
as John Kiel would say, you know this, whatever happened was meant
only for that person to experience that that nobody else was supposed for whatever reason,
who knows, you know, that's that's part of the conundrum of this
of this phenomena is that at times that it tends to be extremely personal whatever
reason. Yeah, well, gentlemen, this has been a really really great
show. Any closing thoughts from either idiot, go ahead, any you go
right? This is very unscrubbed, so nobody was ready. No, well,
I mean I am polied. I always give the other guy a chance
to time first. How much do you think generally the sort of UFO world
is moving towards this kind of thinking. I know, Stephen, I've talked
about this in the past. How it used to be that you'd have the
big room and help the nuts so much UFO people having their talks, and
the little side rooms of the little Killian people who have other ideas. And
now that's shifting a little bit more towards the Killian people, take it out
more space and taking out slightly less space. But generally, how do you
think it is progressing. Is it moving more towards that Killian sort of ould
trust direction, or is it still very much the majority or nuts and bolts
UFO people well, you know, I think that for those of us who
have been doing this for a long time have come to realize that there's a
lot more to all of this than just say, you know, nuts and
bolts spacecraft from other planets or when it comes to the others, uh,
you know, extraterrest rails and that sort of thing. Now, for say
like those who are just now getting into it, based on the whole new
interest in UFO slash UAPs coming from you know, the military and the media
coverage and the so called you know, David Grush, a whistleblower, then
they're going, you know, it's it's back to the you know, like
the nineteen fifties where UFOs are nothing more than you know, physical nustable spaceships,
explorers from other planets. That's it, you know. So um,
I think that you know, again, if you have been a part of
this for an extended period of time and have have done the proper research,
talk to people, and and and you know, I've really really studied what's
going on, you know, you've come to realize that there is there's a
lot more unknown elements to the phenomena than you know, we'll probably be able
to grasp, you know, within our lifetime and probably not for a few
other lifetimes from now. I think there is a bit of a shift.
I talked to people that research cryptos and Bigfoot and so forth, and the
classic UFO types, and there is a little more or acceptance of some of
the recognize recognition of the high strangeness aspects of this. But you're still going
to have that hardcore. Uh. You know, it's like, uh,
it's like a brick in the bucket. You know, you put as much
water in as you can, but that's not going to dissolve the brick.
So do you still have that? You can use that analogy if you want
that. I like that. I like that. That's a that's a great
one. Well, well, Tim, where can we where can we contact
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little you know, the uh, the order blank and fill it out and
you know, total up the shipping properly and send it off. And I
knew that within a couple of weeks I'd be getting some great Tim Beckley tones.
I missed that I missed that as well. Ah, it was.
It was so much fun. And you know, he had all the DVDs
and the way he would promote stuff, you know, the way he would
title stuff was just great. And by the way, Andy, do you
have any way for people to contact you? Do you have like a mercer
clearing house or anything? You want to contact me? He's always good little
Facebook. Yeah, I'm usually looking around them most of time to say,
I'm a process of my publishing company together at the moment. Let's give me
very busy. But yeah, you always fought behind him Mercer dot one hundred
on Facebook. For some reason, I got that little number into my name.
But yeah, but Andy, d if i'd me sound very special,
you're you're the one hundred version of Andy Mercer. Funny Now some time got
caught a faby quest from the Mercer group. There's quite a few of us
apparantly who've been added into this Facebook group, and there's a couple of manny
Mercers in it as well, so it's quite fun. Well, Tim,
thank you so much for being here tonight. This is really a great show.
Hey, my pleasure. It was great talking with you two, and
I hope you're pud tonight as well. Yes, very good, and let
me do my clothes out and we'll just we'll talk for a minute after the
show. The High Strangers Factor was created by Steve Ward and Andy Mercer and
as copywriter by the Paranormal UK Radio network. I want to thank our fearless
leaders here at Paranormal UK Radio, Irene Ellen, block Mark Johnson and Andy
Mercer. Andy covers everything, including producer, host, and the clothes out
of the show. The music for the show. Brian Zeller does the opening
theme. I could also be heard by Macloney's Military X Files as a correspondent
on this same network and many other platforms. And I am Steve Ward,
your humble host here on the High Strangeness Factor, a displaced Michigander deep in
the Ohio Valley in West by Good, Virginia, a short walk from downtown
Point Pleasant, living on the same road where Mothman chase cars half a century
ago. Thank you all for listening, Andy, and I will see you
all again in a fortnight. Take care,