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have found that it is the right Side Radio program. Here we are for
another week or one hundredth numbered episode, and it's a big milestone. And
in order to celebrate the milestone, I've brought back the original host of the
Right Side Radio program back from our terrestrial radio days. First time in a
long time, Chris, that I've had you had just sitting across from me.
We've got a literal fire going next to us. We're actually having a
true fireside chat tonight. So Chris, this is much better than a studio
or outside. It's not too cold tonight. The fires is burning. Well,
you may even hear it. Don't hold that against Jack. It's not
his production. It's actually a fire. But this was we thought would be
the best way to do this one hundredth episode. It just kind of fits.
Oh, absolutely, Chris, Well, you know, first off,
you know, I think that I have to ask this question first, and
I've already told everyone I would ask this question first because it's the one that
everybody wants to know, and that's simply what's next for Chris McDaniel. That's
a good question. There's a lot of projects that I'm presently working on,
both some political, legal, and also just being a dad naturally. Over
the next couple of years, you can bet I don't plan to miss any
baseball games. I was in politics for sixteen years. That's a long time,
and if you think about the toll it takes on kids and families,
it can be pretty devastating. Not to say that I'm out of politics,
I'm not. I'm not done yet. I'm not going to be done until
the fight in me is over, and it's not over yet. What I
do know is as long as we've got Rhino's a bunch of Republicans opposing,
I'm going to be there to call him out. And if that pisss off
every one of them, I'm okay with this. That's the first thing.
And I'm going to be doing that on podcasts like this one, and on
podcasts like others we've got that are beginning to start up, one of which
is working with Jim Sigelski there with the Law It'll call. He has a
great project coming up and it's going to be a national project. Jim has
invested a lot of time and effort into this project, and I think I'll
let him make the announcement. I won't do that just yet. This is
a teaser, that's all this is. But just know that there's going to
be a lot of conservative opinions, a lot of conservative writing. And here's
the best part about it. It's not going to be Republicanism that's scared of
the establishment. We have to be able to call both signs of this fight
out. If the establishment Republican Party is going to keep moving us to the
left, we've got to call them out. If the Democrats are as dangerous
as they've become, and maintained that course, we got to call them out,
but ultimately both sides have to be called out. That's different than most
Republican style podcasts. Most of their designed to protect the establishment or for that
matter, never question because they're afraid of the establishment. I think, you
know, we don't have a lot of fear of those people. So whatever
we do is going to be open, honest, transparent, and aggressive as
we seek to move and little further day to the right. Well, Chris,
that's exciting to hear because you know, as a as a podcaster who's
not afraid to call out the establishment on multiple shows and still continue to do
so. You know, they're multiple times, and I know you know this
feeling having served in Jackson for so long as one of the very few true
conservatives they're in Jackson, you kind of sometimes feel like you're on an island,
you know. So it's going to be a good feeling to have other
fighters you know, in this in this fight with us, Well, it
is an island if you're a conservative and your principal look, it takes more
than words to be a conservative. You see who bears the fruit in the
votes that they cast and how they cast their votes. What games are they
willing to play, What kind of backroom deals are they willing to reach.
These are the things that basically betray all of us when that occurs. And
you're right, you're one of those podcasters that can reach out there and say
what needs to be said without fear of retribution. We have news organizations and
others here in Mississippi that claim to be conservative, but ultimately they're about protecting
entities that already exist, protecting politicians that already exist. The reason for that
is they're afraid of those politicians. They fear those politicians, so they don't
challenge those politicians. We have to challenge because right now the Republican Party.
Listen, I'm a Republican and Jack up been a Republican since I was thirteen
years old. The present configuration of the Republican Party sitting here today is embarrassing.
I'm not even sure what they stand for anymore. I know they have
the meetings, I know they have the cocktail parties, but what principles are
they truly fighting for? And if you think about it in those terms,
the answer is not many. Not many, you know, I mean?
And that's a great point because serving on executive committees, it seems like every
month you just go through the motions when you go to the meetings. There's
no true positions being taken anymore. It wasn't that way when I first got
involved. We would send resolutions to Jackson, we would object to things.
But now there is this fear that you, well, you can't call him
out because he's a Republican. Well is he truly a Republican if he's not
gathering like what? No, no, he's not, or whoever it is,
it's not what your suggestion is. And I think it's an accurate position
to be in these parties, especially the Republican Party, has taken on a
social club mentality. Political parties aren't social clubs. They're clubs, but they're
organized not around entities. They're organized not around institutions. They're organized around principle.
If you have a club that's not fighting for principle, it's a social
club, not a political club. Because I'm gonna tell you the Democrats when
they come to fight, they come to fight. Yeah, they're not sitting
back worrying about who they may offend. They show up throwing punches. Oh
not us, No, No, not our party. We're too concerned about
offending somebody that has to end to be successful. Now, before I'm deemed
too harsh here, I want you to consider something while I'm inventing. People
say the Republicans have been putting up a fight? Where where? When?
And let me tell you why I say that. Think about coal Republican principles.
Okay, Number one, balance budgets. Balance budgets. That's a coal
Republican principle. For the last forty years, name one year we've balanced the
budget. I can't for the last Okay, Well, think about this.
The national debt has almost doubled. No, it has doubled in ten years
now. Republicans have been in control part of that time. Republicans have been
in control certainly over the last two generations. What part of balance budgets are
they serious about? So you ask yourself, Republican principal, balance budgets.
Have we won that fighter? Lost that fight? Over the last fifty years,
we've lost it. Okay? Individual liberty is growing or is it shrinking?
Jack? Oh, it's growing. It had a massive alarming rate every
day. And Reagan told us specifically that government and liberty really can't coexist in
the same sphere of influence. So right now, every day government grows,
grows, grows. Get this, even when Republicans are in control, it
grows. So platform number two for this party that claims it's so proud,
you're losing balance, budgets you have, you're losing individual liberty and the growth
of government. Okay, what's next? The social order? The cultural war?
Loss, loss, lost, loss, and more losses. I'm tired
of the lip service. We have a party that's a social club, more
concerned about perpetuating certain individuals and their power structure than they are fighting for the
things they claim they believe in. Now that's going to piss people off.
I'm okay with that. I'm sick of watching the party circuit and the cocktail
circuit and the lobbyist steakhouse circuit. And I'm sick of seeing super majority of
Republican legislatures that can't seem to steal the tide because they won't fight. You
know what, they won't fight. They don't believe what Reagan believed. They
ran as Republicans because they knew that was the only way to get elected.
These are democrats in disguise. That's all, it is, Chris, We've
come a long way from Reagan's Shining City that he once talked about. And
I think that part of what we're going to have to do, and this
this is going to be one of the hardest parts of a recla of trying
to reclaim the republ looking party is that figuring out a way to get some
of the younger blood more involved. And the reason why it's hard is not
necessarily because there's not young blood out there the ones to get involved. The
old guard doesn't want to get out of the way. And I say that
all the time that at some point if you want this party to continue,
they have to get out of way. Well, first of all, you're
right. I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said as your accurate, but ask
yourself this, why would a twenty one year old want to be a Republican.
That's a great question. Think through it. What do we offer that
the Democrats don't Because we're moving to the left and they're moving to the left.
The only real distinction is they're moving at one hundred miles per hour and
we're moving at seventy five miles per hour. Now here's the thing. So,
consider you're twenty one years old, you're trying to figure out which party
should I belong to? Republicans. Our primary spokesperson is Mitch mcconnoff. Yep,
what, he's eighty years old. He can barely think he had a
touch. I mean he can barely think. He's had a couple of press
conferences where he literally froze up. So you're twenty one years old, you're
trying to be helped, You're trying to be cool, You're trying to understand
policy. First question, what do they believe? It doesn't seem like they
believe in much of anything. No. Number two who speaks for them?
Old people that have been around forever that, like you said, won't relinquish
the apparatus, and so young people are like, well, that's not cool
now, and it's not cool. Here's why, and here's why it's not
cool. Miss McConnell can talk all he wants about what he's trying to accomplish,
and he can repeat talking points all he wants, but the evidence before
us shows that we're losing the political battle in this country everywhere, on every
issue with one exception, at this stage in our history and that's abortion.
How do we win that one? How strange it took the Supreme Court nine
unelected lawyers to fix that. Meanwhile all of our so called republican politicians couldn't
quite get it done. You see the problem. So you're twenty one years
old. The first thing you're looking for is sincerity, and we don't govern
them like we're sincere. You don't think they see that. Number two,
you're looking for some connection personally. Mitch McConnell doesn't provide that connection. Liz
Chaney doesn't provide that connection, and so young people naturally gravitate to the left
that stage. The reason is is because they've never heard what true conservatism is.
If you tell them what it is, and you explain to them that
it's a live and let live mantra, when you explain to them that it
believes in dignity of the individual and empowerment of the individual, When you explain
to them that we believe that free minds and free markets right, and they
begin to ask questions, what does that mean? This is the help movement,
This is the political movement that should appeal to young people because it appeals
to their inner sense of being self reliant and independent, which is what Republicanism
should offer these individuals. We don't, No, we don't. We all
from tribalism, We don't we all from platitudes, We don't we offerrom all
these things. But they sense that they're not sincere, and that's why we
can't seem to get young people in the party. All right, I think
we're gonna need to get a little bit more wood on the fire. But
you you have touched on so and I'm gonna so I'm gonna lead you with
a question and then I'll grab some Chris. You touched on something that I've
been hitting on a lot here lately, and that's tribalism. And tribalism cuts
both ways. This isn't just Republicans, aren't just the only Democrats are very
tribalism as well. Don't get me wrong, but I think that is an
inherent problem within our country right now. Because I'm sorry, I'm a conservative.
I believe in conservatism, not Republicanism, So I don't buy into this
tribalism bs. I mean, I saw during the primary or during the general
election season, we saw a lot of folks that ran in their in their
county elections as independence. This go around. Answer may, well, we're
Republicans, so we got to support the Republican. Well, why if the
Republican in question is bad, why wouldn't I support the independent? Yeah,
it's a dangerous mindset. Now get this, here's the great paradox of conservative
thought, at least as far as Republicans are concerned. The Founders feared political
parties. The Founders warned us against a strong true party system. They warned
us it was dangerous. They warned us it could deprive the great mass of
the people of liberty. And so despite the fact that we claim to be
for the Founding Founders, we certainly fall into this tribalism trail pretty quickly.
I get it. The Democrat Party is an absolute threat to this country survival.
Democrats are dangerous and they have no business governing. But I tell you
another threat to this country's survival, and that's rhinos. Those are people pretending
to be Republican but still governing as Democrats because they still get us to the
same destination just slightly slower. So you can't get caught up in this Republican
versus Democrat. If we're gonna win this country back, and Jack, you
need to hear this. This is the subject for us show. I think
you can talk about for a long time. If you're gonna win the country
back, you're I've got to win it back in general elections. If you
win the country back, you're gonna win it in the Republican primary. And
that's why we're failing. We're so blind to conservative versus Republican. They will
vote for the old Republican before the new conservative. That's a dangerous mindset.
Primaries is where we win this country bay, because if we can't let conservatives,
we're doomed. Yeah. And you know when you talk about that and
you talk about these folks that are rhinos, they're abusing the very tribalism that
we're talking about because they understand that they can slap conservative on a push guard,
put it on a yard sign, and nobody's gonna do the research to
see that they're not truly a conservative. They're just gonna see that word.
And I was like, well, he's a conservative and he's a Republican,
so I got to get behind them. They they ignore us three and a
half of every four years. Yep. And then when we're just dumb enough
to fall for it. They buy a couple of million dollars in ads on
TV, and of well, la, here we are right in the same
trap. All of a sudden, people like Delbert Hostman are conservatives. All
of a sudden, people like Roger Wicker are conservatives. Hold on, I'm
gonna come back to that. Now you've seen their records. You know exactly
how they're gonna vote. And the people that are in the know, that
actual twenty five percent that are actually paying attention, they know, and they're
gonna vote accordingly. It's the great untouched masses out there and they're sitting there
not paying attention. But oh my, that was such a pretty TV commercial.
What not a great radio commercial? I think my mama went to school
with his mama back in the twenties. Here's the thing, that's fine,
but you're not electing conservatives of that stage is part of that tribalism, that
same apparatus, and that's why conservatives keep losing. Well, Chris, you
know that. That brings us back to another point here where the you know,
you brought up Roger Wicker. Roger Wicker's running for reelection next year,
and we've already he's already running his ads, and they're disgusting to me as
a true conservative, because everything's about he's the strongest conservative. He's not.
If you look at this record, he is middle of the road at best.
Here's the thing about Wicker. Is he a nice guy? Yeah?
Yeah. I mean I've been around him an awful lot over the years here
and there. I don't think he likes me very much, and that's fine.
I don't dislike him, not personally. He's a nice guy. I
believe he's well intended. I believe he's a Christian guy. But I also
believe in many ways he's a squish. Now. I mean that not be
a disrespectful when I say that. I mean a guy that simply does what
he's told. And what that means is Minch McConnell. If he can operate
fifty one senators, that's Mitch McConnell's Senate. And I think Roger Wicker is
going to do exactly what he's told. And that works this way because McConnell
has incredible resources financially and otherwise, and Roger knows that if he can just
float along, he can vote however you wish just nobody's really paying attention.
But then he can raise that big money from McConnell in the Chamber of Commerce
at the end of the equation that he can be successful. And he will
be because no one really is paying attention twenty five to thirty percent or tuned
in that I know about. They'll vote. They'll vote for the conservative whoever
that is the great unwashed masses though those little memos, which I love.
My mother's like that. Sometimes she's sitting there watching Will of Fortune in the
evening. She's not paying attention to politics, and she shouldn't. I get
that, But she's going to watch the commercials, and the candidate with the
most money is always going to be successful because one more thing, I'll say,
Oh, I've got there's one thing. I said that. But here's
why. Poland shows that people hate negative advertising. Yep. Poland shows that
people believe every word of advertise yep. And so these little memos and others
I've had are sitting there, they watch the attack ad and they believe every
word. So who wins the guy with the most money, So that means
the guy who's the yes man for Mitch mcconall, And that's who Roger is.
All right, Chris, you know we're both sports fans. We both
follow the world of sports. In a lot of these professional sports leagues,
there's a salary cap you can't pay over x amount. Wouldn't our political arena
be better if there was a sout or a spending cap to that way?
Everybody is, in theory on an equal playing field, you know, kick
the packs out, just make it where you can't spend over on their amount
for your campaign. This is where it gets really interesting, though, because
if you believe that money and speech are connected, then the First Amendment comes
into play, and that's the Citizens United style of cases. So if you
believe that money and speech are one and the same essentially, and you believe
that people have the right to gilt however much they want to guilt because that's
essentially speech, then that's a protective classification. So you really can't curtill that
spending, even though frankly it might be a practical good idea. We still
have to respect the Constitution more than we respect decent ideas. And I know
that sounds antiquated to some, but we have a constitutionals designed to protect individual
liberty and protect speech. Now, if you choose to believe that money is
not connected to speech, then yeah, I guess there's an argument to be
made because it was a close case. It was a close case. I
don't think it is person but the conservative block did. And that's where it
gets really interesting, because people like Scalia, who I respect greatly in Thomas,
they believe that it did. And so I get that, and I
think ultimately we have to respect that liberty and that freedom. But is that
always the right or the just result, or I should say, the responsible
result. Here's why I say that you have a democracy, and it is
a republican republic, right, but it's based on democratic principles that it's designed.
One would think jack for an educated population. And when I say educated,
I don't mean high school or college whatever, politically educated population. That's
really not what we have now. And so you have to ask yourself the
influx of money, as great as it is, the ability of that money
to influence the uneducated, politically speaking population, and that's a danger. It
becomes such a danger that the same lobbyist, the same money controls the system
and has for forty or fifty years. And you keep wondering why things don't
change. Yet we have to conceive there are some constitutional issues there we have
to deal with to curtail that type of spending. So it's problematic, it
can be complicated. Right now, Jack's getting firewood if you wonder about the
delay, which I'm glad he's doing. But I am listening, listening,
and again, you know, Thomas and Scalier heroes of mine, and it's
rare that I disagree with him, And maybe I don't disagree with them.
I'm just annoyed with the process because I see a broken system broken, and
I see a system that is being abused by the elite, and there's very
little that those of us, such as myself, that don't have a ton
of money can do about it. And I think that's where the frustration comes
in, and the fear I have is that the voters are going to start
to feel helpless. No, they already do. They already do it.
If there's one thing you hear from people, it explains why only a small
number of people actually participating in the process. They do that because they do
feel helpless, and they feel hopeless. But it's a self perpetuating cycle.
If they're helpless, if they're hopeless. In large part it's because of them.
If they would mobilize their neighbors, if they would make phone calls,
if they may gill five or ten dollars, they could change the whole world.
But most are content sitting there and complaining about it on Facebook. They
won't really get out there and take the action. So we have the responsibility
to wake those people up. If you can do that, we win.
If you can't, we keep losing. Chris, I want to ask you
about the race that you just were in, you know, because again didn't
go our way. You know, we worked our tails off and unfortunately,
you know, it came down to what we were talking about. It's more
money, you know, but it also there was another factor in play,
crossover voting. How do we fix that when the establishment that's in power is
the ones that are benefiting from the cross every Well, consider that race,
right, Delbert Hos was the income but he has all this money and he
spends all that money, and that's really cute. He's still only got fifty
one percent. That's fair. So you know, had people just engaged just
a little bit more, he would have been defeated. But people didn't engage
because, like you said, they feel hopeless or helpless. There has to
be a way at some point to wake people up, to get them to
understand and perhaps just their maybe trust their their intuition, right because right now
their intuition might be the vote for candidate A, but invariable with the money
of Kennedy B always sways them. At the end, they have to get
educated. And that's the hard part because right now, I'm telling you,
nobody's paying attention. One of the great sins of politicians. They believe that
everybody's focused on them. They believe that every vote and everything that occurs is
the biggest thing in the world. Here's the answer. Nobody's watching. Nobody
cares. Now. They say they do, and they get all excited on
Facebook, but if they're really watching, they would be doing something about it.
I think one of my biggest frustrations, and I talk about this a
lot on the show, is what I refer to as the ones every four
year voters. They only pay attention to presidential races. They only get involved
when it's when it's the presidential race. And I think that's part of what
frustrates the heck out of me is like we could. We could change the
world if we started at our state capitol. And too many folks won't do
that. But those same folks next year are gonna line up to vote for
Donald Trump. Let me explain what that's about. And this is gonna make
people mad. It's real. They don't know. They don't understand civics,
they don't understand history, they don't understand that the states have to be the
final law between a federal government that continues to grow out of control in individual
liberty. They just don't get it. If they did get it, they
would empower the states. The states then could be there to protect them from
abuse from the federal government if need be. They're just not paying attention.
And I think, frankly, most people don't care about government anymore. They
don't care about civics anymore. And here's the reason for that. Man,
this is the greatest country in the world. We're all spoiled, rotten,
considerate. You may think your lot in life is bad, you're spoiled rotten
to live here. And we've been spoiled for a long time. Forgotten what
tyranny feels like. We've forgotten what abuse feels like. We don't think that
could ever happen here. So we lean back on our recliners and we watch
Britney Spears and we watch Taylor's Whip and we watch Bunday Day Football, and
we forget that Our specific responsibility is to engage the system so nothing bad can
ever happen, and that does include educating ourselves as to how the system is
supposed to work. But Jack, unfortunately people just aren't in tune. Hopefully
over the next couple of years they'll wake up. If not, man,
the establishment will always be entrenched, absolutely, And I think that's one of
the huge concerns here, Chris, is the fact that we've got to get
folks to get off there, you know, because start on your local city
and county level. Get involved. Don't just wait for a magical presidential candidate
to solve all your problems, because they can't. They can't. It's one
of the great disconnects of our time. And you said it, I should
have talked about it. Every four years we get so excited for a president
and I get it. It's important and a lot of money spent a lot
of money, and it's important and it matters. We want a good,
strong, president that supports our values, right, but we lose track that
the way the things really work are mostly local state governments, governors or tendant
governors, you know, municipalities, councilmen, mayors. We forget that.
You want real change, that's where it's going to happen. I'm going to
say it right now. No president, whether it's Donald Trump or Ronald Reagan
or Judd F. Kennedy, has a power to change the things that people
wished. They did not even a fraction. And so people put all their
hopes in one race, and they think that once we retain that race,
win it, everything's going to be okay. That's not what the record shows.
As much as you may love a president, as much as you may
love your candidate, the poor guy's by himself. He simply cannot overwhelm the
system. The only way to overwhelm the system is going to be in state
capitals, and we're losing those battles because our attention is distracted. One more
way is distracted. Washington. That's the most embarrassing, dysfunctional place on the
planet. These are the most ignorant people in the world, not the intellects
the congressman, let's think through it. Have you watched their hearings have okay,
ignorance on display. But here's the best part, or the worst part,
as the case may be. We're so busy watching hearings like it's a
game show, like it's reality team we do, and they're busy trying to
get zingers in deuring the hearings. So it seems like they're doing something.
Okay, stop right there, name something they've done. But yet anybody out
there name a conservative victory given to us by the United States Congress in the
last fifty years. It's not it doesn't exist. Doesn't exist. That's the
problem. They're not doing anything. It's pretend they're up there dancing the dance.
They're up there getting our attention. But when it comes ultimately to what's
occurring, the government's on auto drive in Congress has no control whatsoever. But
here's the thing. People think that if we just when the presidency, everything's
going to be okay, that's just not that's not that's not rational, and
that's what's hurting us right now. It is hurting us, and it hurts
those of us that are active because we're we're watching it, we're studying it.
When we're we're students of history and what's happening, and when we see
those that we can see our neighbors, our friends that we consider to be
smart people, but just see them so oblivious to what's happening in Jackson or
or even what's actually happening in Washington, because they're so wrapped up in tribalism
that they're not following that and not seeing that their state senator is not doing
the job they think they are. Well, not just state senator or not
states, I meant either one all of them, because the state senators are
probably more important station in our history than the US senators all le them.
Yet they're not paying attention. And it's one of the most frustrating moments of
our life because if you don't hold politicians accountable, no one will, which
leads to a next interesting point. Jack You need to come. You need
to think about this. I want you to consider the fact that some politicians
will hold office simply to manage a decline. Now, what that means is
is that they don't really care about the decline. They understand it's happening,
but they don't want to take dress to action to stop it because they enjoy
being in office so much. Their silence is kind of their complicity because we're
nowhere lose in the country. We're no, we're in big trouble as conservatives.
Every time he set back with silence and not address that, it's a
problem. But I'm gonna tell you something. There's a lot of lunch of
officials that don't care. All they want to do is whold power. That's
all they want. As long as they hold a seat, everything is fine.
And here's why they are on that ladder. They ask for permission to
go up a step, and who controls that if not the established order?
And so the established order is presently controlling all of it. Meanwhile the people
who should control it, like you said, use the word, are oblivious.
And that's a sad day. I agree, Chris, and uh it
were. Let's pause right here for a quick break. I know you've got
some larger wood you wanted to put on this fire, because I've got some
other questions I want to come back to here in just a second. But
let's let's take a quick break right here, Maybe run a couple of ads
here, and we'll come right back with the next line of questions. With
Chris McDaniel. Alright, guys, welcome back here to the Right Side Radio
program. I'm still sitting in here with Senator Chris McDaniel. And that's another
thing too, Despite you know the fact that you won't be in the legislature
this year, that title never goes away. You're still Sendator Chris McDaniel for
life, right. It comes one of those things. The rules provide that,
and tradition provides that. I'm not saying it's acrid or it's right,
but that's the way it is. So it's one of those titles you never
lose. It's like when you're a judge, you'll call judge the rest of
your life, and that's kind of what this is like too. And especially
after sixteen dead gun years, that's a long time to do anything, much
less going through that. So now, Chris, I know, you know
you were in it to win it. You wanted to be our next lieutenant
governor. But there's got to be a part of you after sixteen years and
as many fights as you were up there in many instances, several times getting
your tailkicked because of the establishment wing not on the floor. Yeah, yeah,
all the time, all the time. There's got to be a part
of you that's happy, that's going to be happy next month that you don't
have to drive up there and be a part of that. Yeah, I'm
very satisfied with that. Absolutely. You know, it's funny. This is
something I would not have run for State Senate again, and that's one of
the reasons I ran for LG because I thought it was time for me to
make a move the State Senate. One of these days, we'll have a
show on that and I'll explain just how dysfunctional that place is and who you
know those individuals with sugar in their team and won't seem to find who they
are as well. That's probably best done for another show. Yeah, but
it's but you're you're not bitter at all. No, No, here's the
thing, though, I'm noted. I did the best I could, and
I thought as hard as I could, and there were others like me up
there. It wasn't just me, There were quite a few up there.
But unfortunately the people, the people will have something they say they claim they
want, and then there's a difference between what they actually want. You see,
what they claim they want are fighters. What they claim they want are
strong conservatives that are principal. What they claim they want are people to be
unyielding in their belief system. Here's what they really want. They want to
be whispered a fairy tale at night and be told that everything's going to be
okay because they're not willing to engage in the sacrifice. And so there's a
big disconnect again there as well. People want to be told it's okay.
They want to feel, they want to feel, they want to be emotional.
Anybody who knows anything about governments, about republics right now knows things aren't
okay. So we find ourselves in a weird spine, and a lot of
people just don't care enough to be in Bob. Now, with all that
said, I'm venting now going back to your original question. I'm not gonna
miss it, not for a second, not that part of it. More
about that in future shows. But I'm very satisfied with right. I'm right
now. That's awesome. I mean, I think that's one of the things
that I part of why I wanted to have the interview was I wanted to
convey that there's you're at peace. I saw that that night, you know,
the night of the primary. When you got up there and gave your
concession speech, I was like, he's at peace. Here's the thing.
Sixteen years I have fought as hard as I could with other Conservatives to do
the right thing. We won a lot of battles. We lost most of
our battles. I think most of us are tired of getting our Keith tipped
in and nobody coming to help. You know, it's really easy to sit
back and elect us and they not hold anybody else accountable. Yeah, we
fought and fought and fault that small handful in both the House and the Senate,
and nobody came to our assistance. Nobody came to our aid. They
gave us lip service, but they can come help us. And even on
the losses, they never learned from them. In other words, if there's
not some price you make the others pay for not being who they claim they
are, that is conservative politicians, then what's the point. And there hasn't
been a price because the people as a whole don't necessarily exact or ask for
that prize. Right, So very much at peace, very much at peace
about the whole situation. And I can't wait to have more shows as we
talk about this in the future, because this is much more complex and much
more personal from some of those relationships than you can imagine. And I think
at some point we have to talk about every bit of it, don't you.
Oh, I agree, And that's going to be fun when we get
to that thing show, you know. But one of the things that I
think I'm really disappointed about going into this legislation session is we don't have a
Chris McDaniel there to fight for us. We don't have a Melanie sojourn or
there to fight for us. Who or do we even know yet who are
conservative champions might be? Yeah, they're certainly there. There's some there.
They're just out number, and we have to be rule about that. The
numbers are the numbers. Think about DC one hundred senators, right, how
many true conservatives are there? Maybe four or five? Okay numbers. There's
nothing they can do. Yeah, that's the bad part. The government now
is Delbert Hosband's government, and he's going to move it to the left.
Yep. And we have to just learn to live with our mistakes in that
regard. The question is what the voters will learned. Not sure they ever
will. It seems to state is shifted even more moderate, more democrat as
today as the day goes by. So I'm not sure to happen, but
it's going to be interesting to see. Yeah, and that's to me,
that's a sad thing to know that this the next four years and possibly beyond,
are we're delvert Houseman's state and based on the direction that we saw.
I mean, this is a guy that faults you guys against you know,
bills outlawing you know, transgenderism for minors. And remember the people that understand,
the people that are actually paying attention, they know that. Yea,
they know that. There it is though that great unwashed mass, you know,
they don't and they're gonna believe whoever has the most money. So basically
what occurred is a state as conservative as we claim to be, voted like
a very moderate state because the money has that kind of powerful influence over people.
So you're right, and the question is what are we willing to do
about it? And so far it doesn't seem like much. But there are
conservative members of the Senate. They're just bless them, bless them, They're
going to be outnumbered. You know. One of my favorites right now is
Kathy Chisholm and Senator chizel On. This from up in North Mississippi and just
a wonderful person. And there's a reason she's wonderful. She has a heart
for service, and this based at her Christian believe but more importantly, heart
for service means to serve your voters, not serve the establishment, not serve
the state. She's still to serve for people. That makes sure the right
kind of politician to serve. So she's one I respect very much, right
go just for instance. Absolutely, there are others. There are others,
but she's the one that comes to mind. Oh, she's a dream guest
of mine. I need to have her on at some point because I always
love to sit down and talk with her. You know, Chris, we're
in the middle of a culture war, there's no denying that, and the
left has gotten very, very aggressive in the things that are pushing. I
never thought if you had told me fifteen twenty years ago it had ten years
ago, if you had told me that transgenderism, that if I said that
I thought a man is born a man and that a woman is more than
a woman, that I could somehow be called a bigot for stating a scientific
fact that it's insane. How do we how do we win in these things?
When we've got the media and we've got these schools out there that are
teaching our kids, in doctrinating our kids, it's nonsense. Well, you
know, the kid thing, that's easy to fix. The right legislation could
fix that. You can't let these professors and these public school teachers bring us
those kids. So that's the first thing. The other fix is much more
complicated, and it begins I think with the a process of values being eroded.
Over time, things are different. Some will say for the better,
some will say for the worst. But consider the music. I think music
is a cultural indicator. Yes, right, I agree. The other night
I was listening to some music from the fifties, early mid fifties, early
sixties, and listen to the lyrics, and you say, well, that's
the lame part of our history. Of that's a dull part of our history.
The lyrics, although at times could be implicitly risque, I will grant
that most of which though we're loving and kind and traditional and the search for
love and patriotism even in some of the songs. Right, what about now
compared to then the music is a it's a bail weather. It tells you
about the culture even as you're listening, right, and now we see this
culture that's coarsened and harsh and nasty. Now the question is, how do
you reverse that? Because of the fall of culturally speaking from the fifties to
now has been dramatic, and it's been one sided. How do you reverse
it? Recognizing that the younger people are even more socially permissible and socially liberal
than even once like you and me, The question is it's going to be
really difficult. We have to concede that we have to figure some things out
because right now we are losing the culture war across the board. Absolutely we
are. I mean you've got to and I talked about this on this week's
show. You've got the groups up there starting an after school Satan club,
you know, which is absurd sounding And in my personal opinion, I said
this on the show, I think these aren't Satanists doing this. These are
liberals trying to push the needle because they want. Ultimately, what they're hoping
for, Chris is they're hoping for us to overreact and ban everything so that
way Christian clubs go away, Everything goes away. And that's my fear is
that we're we're going to overreact. We do typically it's as though we we
don't value our liberty as much as we fear theirs. I know that's a
complicated statement, so let me try to explain. The culture as a whole
has always been mostly Christian, and I really wish that was still the case,
and I wish churches were more involved, and I wish souls were being
saved, and I wish somehow there's a way to influence the cultural the our
belief systems, as opposed through force of government. I don't think it's our
role to pass laws dictating to people how they should behave. The problem we've
got now is a culture that is engrossed in these new ways, and man,
you think about the ways to fix it, it can't be necessarily legislatively,
although we can ban what's being taught to school children. But it's much
wider than that, isn't it. It is so culturally. What's the best
way to influence a culture. The answer has always been religion. It's always
been Christianity, But it seems the churches are waning in their influence in their
regard. Can they still win maybe, But man, look at what they're
up against, right, Yeah, they're up against cultural institutions like college campuses,
like the music industry, like the Hollywood industry. Hollywood makes things normal
what used to be considered really out normal, right, But after two or
three movies were decent, the times can all of a sudden it kind of
makes sense. So we're losing the war subconsciousness as well. It's a dangerous
place. I'm hoping that one day, not maybe this is wishful think.
Can you tell me? We've seen in the past where there were great revivals,
and I'm hoping that one day there will be a spiritual revival in this
country. Now that should never translate into us dictating by force of law our
belief system. We're talking about culture, right, and I'm just hoping that
one day that we're more culturally influential than we are now. Years ago,
some of these ads on TV would have never been My Goodness, would have
never been run, and you know why, because they knew if they run
them, nobody would shot there. Now it seems just the opposite, it
seems, but they're run them just to kind of how far can we push
the mound? We push it right, and they're betting you guys won't do
anything. And guess why we haven't done anything? Normally we complain about them
and then, you know, a perfect example is bud Light. You know,
for a while everybody was mad at them. Their stocks went down,
but now everybody's like, oh, well, we need to forgive them,
you know. So we even if we do take them a fight, we
seem to not stick with the fight. Yeah, we're not good long term
warriors, are we. There'll be about three months we get good and ticked
off and then but li will you know, have a nice traditional patriotic commercials
where they'll have Peyton Manning and Emmett Smith show up and then all the clause
deals whatever the case can be right and this thing and everybody's drinking it again.
Whatever to each their own. But that's a small example as to the
broader cultural war. If you know Hollywood is hurting the minds of your children,
the answer is not to make law abolishing the thought process. The answer
is to get ahead of it and try to find a way to beat it
Otherwise. Yes, and that's not what we've been doing for an awfully long
time. We're reacting. Yeah, I do want to say, when it
comes to some of the stuff that Hollywood's been putting out, I've been really
encouraged at seeing some of the box office is of some of these more preachy
movies doing further and further down. So it seems like maybe we are doing
a little bit more than we have in the past. I think so in
that respect, I think that's happening. It takes a bit more than that.
When you think about all the major institutions in this country and how they
control thought, they typically are ignoring right now, Christian speech. That's something
else we've got to fix. Now. You can't do it with legislation or
with law or by force of law. It has to be done by hearts
and minds of individuals and people, and you've got to reach those people first.
I think religion can certainly do that, and I'm hoping it would play
a more dominant role in doing that. Yet, over the last thirty years
or so, we seem to be losing more than we're winning. And again,
Jack, that's a conversation for another show, because we're talking about really
broad issues here, and you could take that one issue, why are we
losing the cultural war? And that's a three hour show, absolutely it is,
and I look forward to having those with you. And again you talked
about that, you're going to you're working on stuff with Jim. I've talked
with Jim about it too. Chris and the Right Side, it was something
you and I started together. You were the main host. I was your
sidekick back in the early days. And if you want the Right Side,
if you want the name, it's yours, Chris. I mean I will.
I will give you back the Right Side and go back to being your
number two. However you want to do it. You know, whatever you
and Jim are thinking here, right so Ide will always exist. And right
now you're the host. You keep that aligne And I think what we'll do
is, yeah, there's a show that he's created for me. You'll come
over and help me with that show. That'd be fun, and we'll dive
right back into it from two areas. You'll have the Right Side, it'll
be rolling, and then whatever show he has will work on that one as
well. It'll be a collaborative effort, like yeah, absolutely, well,
I think you know when I already sent this to Jim By the way,
I think I found an intro for whatever show you do next. Can I
play it for you? It's a blast room the past for you. I'll
hear it. My guest tonight is a huge conservative talk show host, not
Limbaugh huge, but up there please welcome Christian. Yeah, very charismatic guy.
Had a lot of folks that followed him. You know, beat up
people. What are we talking about? This is conservative talk radio and we
are on. We are on. What was the thing that I don't remember?
I remember? And I said this on the air when I played it,
because I used that to announce you were going to be the guest on
the hundredth episode. I said it. Then I said, I remember doing
it in the air, and you were so tickled by that. Our old
producer Jeremy put it in when he put that together, and for the life
of me, I don't remember the contact. It is pretty funny. In
fact, in one of your shows, or maybe my show we're gonna be
working on, we should take that where you yell treason and never talking.
Somebody sus that it disagrees with this. We could push the button and play
trees. Well if I can, if I have the audio on any files
I will, I will send it over there. Do that. Let's get
take a word treason, and we'll be like the present tribalist of the day.
We'll say, if you disagree with us, you must be committed treason.
Can you say it again like that? I'm sure I can again right
now? Treason. It's not as good as it was. That's working in
if you're not agreeing with every word. Jack Fairschall says, you're committee treason.
Now you're an American. There you go. You know, Chris,
it's gonna be a fun, exciting adventure, you know, and I look
forward to I mean, and I think I've told you this before. The
most fun I ever had in broadcasting was those days in the Right Side when
it was you and you and I, because I mean, it was like
going in every day and sort of like what we're doing tonight, just sitting
down and having a conversation with my best friend. You. In those days,
you didn't want me to know what you were covering because you wanted that
visceral response out of me. And I remember those first couple of shows.
I was so mad at you. I was like, I want to know,
but it was a better show that I didn't. Sadly, nowadays,
I'm not sure you'll be able to pull too many oak because I'm having to
do my own so I'm doing so much studying. But I think that there's
still going to be a way that we're going to be able to and there's
going to be stories out there you'll find that I want. So it's going
to be a lot of fun when we get to that point and get back
into it. Do we have any idea of any timetables or anything like that
or is that which we're waiting on? Gym we're waiting. But I think
it's going to be a march. But you know, bear in mind that
it takes a lot of work and effort to put these things together. So
but I think march. And you know, it's funny. Back when we
first started, you're right that give and take where you were hear the story
for the first time. That was good radio because you were as shocked as
the listeners when they heard it for the first time, and that made good
radio. But you're right now, h you're you're pretty well versed on what's
going on. You may already know, but now, look, we still
had a good mentor well, we still but we still need the emotional reactions
sometimes, right, That makes good radio. Although if you say you know,
certain things, you can't say like Mama Seta, Oh, I hope
you're not running for anything again, because you just you just disqualified yourself.
I even say the word there, you know, Chris. That's That's the
other thing that I still cracks me up is out of context. How they
could take little things and just try to twist it, you know. And
that's that's the way how they operate. But it's even scarier nowadays because you've
got AI out there to where they can just take your voice and make you
say stuff. Oh goodness. So that's I think that's one thing that all
politicians and others that are in the public I'm concerned about. You think about
these, even the deep fake videos. I saw one the other day with
Tom Cruise. I saw I saw that it looked just like Tom Cruise,
I do. You can't trust video anymore, you can't trust audio anymore.
What that really means, though, Jack GISs, we got to get a
lot smarter. Yeah, I mean, just because we see something we should
probably second guess up immediately. I'm to the point now that man, I'm
blown away by what we're witnessing. Yeah, and I've got to get second,
third, and fourth sources before I well, like even before you know,
I mentioned the after the after school Satan Club, I saw people sharing
it on Facebook, and before I would cover it, I'm like, that
can't be real, because I mean, so much of that stuff that we
see get shared when you actually go and research and it's not real. And
then I found the AP story on and I'm like, I guess I can
trust the Associated Press. Not always, but you know, they're supposed to
be credible. Uh, you know, Chris, a couple of things before
we wrap up. You know, first off, this is Christmas, you
know, and it is a time where we're you know, supposed to be
valuing and of course, the day after this episode will release, you're doing
your annual Merry Christmas turkey giveaway. This is the eighteenth time, eighteenth time
that we have done this turkey giveaway. And why is it still so important
for you to do this? I mean, because you know, it would
have been really easy for you to say, you know, I'm not fooling
with it this year. Yeah, it's you know, it's funny. When
we first started, we were trying to make a statement about the importance of
Christ and Christmas because it was a response to these corporations in Hollywood that was
basically taken Christ out of the Christmas aspect, right. So we responded and
we said, okay, if you come, you have to say Merry Christmas
and then it get a free turkey. Yeah, we learned over the years
that that's important, but the ability to help people is even more important.
If you're a conservative and you say that government can't be the answer to all
problems, and you recognize that government assistance and aid can actually lead to more
problems, then you have a responsibility to do our best to help and that's
what I've always tried to do in this turkey giveaway. I didn't understand the
significance at first, but over the years, when you see people pull up
and they've bladed in line for a long time, some of them hours,
and they receive the turkey and they have tears in their eyes, that changes
a life. That's one of the reasons I want my sons to be there
and why they've been given the turkeys out. I want them to see what
it means because we're very blessed. Not everybody has the same blessings, and
so our job as people, as individuals, and as conservatives is to reach
out and help as many as we can. And so, man, now
I don't know how I'll stop. It's gotten to be important to people and
I want them to be okay, and I want them to know that people
are out there at the love them and care for them. Well, there's
some people there, they're there every year and this is the only way they're
going to get a turkey for Christmas. And I think that's why it's so
special what you do with this event. And of course, you know,
you've got people like me that help manage the traffic. You've got people like
Gerald Wade that helped make sure that we secured the turkeys. Kelvin Dogg Smith
who made a point to make sure that we have the church, you know,
to give it away, you know, give the turkeys away. I
mean, you've got so many folks out there that show up and help,
and we've grown in our volunteers throughout the years. It's it's really special.
You know, it really is a special event. It really is. The
names you mentioned and others you know without their help it will be impossible to
get this done. You've helped tremendously. The others have felt tremendously and so
yeah, they're you know what's funny. They don't do it because they're trying
to get their name and lights. They do it because they feel like it's
the right thing to do. And I feel bad I'm forgetting names like Richard
Conrad, Don Harden. You know, there's so many I can't name Jennifer
Jennifer in there. There have been other John Chandler showed up, and there's
been a lot of people over the years that I really value in my life
and I adore and they've come through and they've done their best to help because
they are good, good people. So yeah, I'm looking I'm looking forward
to it. But uh, you know, Chris, the last thing that
I really wanted to get to and this is more of a personal thing,
you know, because of course this year has been a hard year for me.
You know, I lost my dad and one thing that I wanted to
and I thank you on the air for this, But you were in the
middle of a heated election, yet you canceled all your events that day,
so you could be there at that funeral just to support me and be there
for me, and why I gave my dad's eulogy. One of the things
that touched me the most is I remember talking to you the night before and
telling you I'm not sure if I do it, and he said, first
off, you can, but if you can't, tap me on the shoulder,
I've got something for you. Yeah. And that meant the world to
me, both that you were able to be there every one of my friends
that was able to make it there, you know, it was you know,
my dad thought the world of you, you know, and being able
to have you be there and be willing to step in if I just was
too overcome and couldn't have done it, that meant the world to me,
Chris, and I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you for that
in person. Man. I appreciate you saying that. Jimmy, your dad
was a really good man, and I loved my time around him. He
had such a good personality, and he was stern and stubborn and cores but
at the same time hilarious, and he was just the perfect balance of what
we think men should be. He loved you very much, and he loved
his wife and his daughter and his other son very much. And I saw
that through eyes over the years, and so you were blessed to have a
good dad, just as I was. And so it was my honor to
be there, and I would I would do anything for you guys. You
know, it's a club that we all unfortunately, if we live longer than
our parents, we all eventually join. But it's a club none of us
want to join. But I am grateful, you know that I had somebody
that knew what I was feeling. And those that I'm still have anger and
sadness around, especially during Chris. I mean, it's gonna be a hard
Christmas. You know, it's fun that we could have a whole show on
that. Yeah, because people that are listening, they know if they've lost
a parent, if they've lost a child, especially a child, goodness gracious,
they know. And so these holidays, man, there's a sense of
happiness, there's a sense of gloom, and it's because we miss them so
much, right, And so man, there's a whole of the show as
to how we navigate the pain from loss year to year through the holidays and
why matters that we move past it, but man, do you ever really
move past it? Most of us never will move past it. Absolutely well,
I think we got to wrap up because I think our listeners heard your
son Cambridge tell he's cooking dinner for everybody tonight, so I think let's go.
He's like, y'all come on, So I'm going to start at the
outro here, Chris, But thank you so much for doing this. This
is your first sit down interview since the election. I'm honored that you chose
to do it with me and really look forward to March when we but hopefully
i'll have you all before then and we can have one more proper announcement.
Let's do it, guys, it's the Right Side Radio program. I do
plan on putting something out Christmas weekend that is more spirited nature, not political,
but something that we can that you can take with you on your drive
to your family wherever you're going next. Thank y'all so much for listening.
We'll see you again real soon. S