WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.200 You're listening to KFI on demand. Dan, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 2 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:12.960 Hello. I have a sister that that says, she reads in the 3 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:17.839 Bible that God is a punishing God. If you lie, you cheat, 4 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:23.600 you steal, God will come upon you with his wrath and and and and 5 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:29.239 punish you. I always thought that that God was merciful, God was forgiving, 6 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:35.320 God understood God. God helped you get out of these things. But 7 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:43.560 she's she honestly believes that, Know, if you're a sinner, if you 8 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:47.159 lie, you cheat, you steal, that God's going to come upon you 9 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:49.560 and bad things are going to happen. He's going to come down with his 10 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:54.640 wrath and you better watch out. Well, it's a nice healthy combination of 11 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:59.159 the two beliefs. Really, God is a God of justice absolutely, and 12 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:06.239 yes, I will punish on according to the deeds that a person does. 13 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:11.799 However, keep in mind that often the punishment is the consequence of the very 14 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.280 act itself. You know, if you steal, if you live a life 15 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.079 of crime, you'll probably go to jail. So if you think that God, 16 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:26.120 that that mercy is somehow ignorant, or that grace is somehow blind, 17 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.239 that's absolutely wrong. God is a god of justice. Do you think it's 18 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:34.560 loving, Dan for a parent not to punish their child when there when their 19 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.599 child does something wrong? Is that the loving thing to do? Well? 20 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:48.640 I understand that. I understand that. But there's uh people who who who 21 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:53.760 in their hearts understand the wrong that they do, Then why do they do 22 00:01:53.840 --> 00:02:00.120 it? Well? There's there's uh, there's good. In my opinion is 23 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:07.719 that there's good and there's bad this in this world. Yes, and it's 24 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:13.400 it's the nature. I think one could say, if you have it lied, 25 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:17.240 if you haven't cheated, you know, throw the first roun. But 26 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:27.319 it's it's human nature to to to to lie. I believe that nobody is 27 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:32.080 one hundred perfect. Okay, understood Dan, But but you should be seeking 28 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:38.639 perfection even though you won't obtain it. You should always seek being the best 29 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:44.159 you can. You should always try and eradicate one more lie from your conversation, 30 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:50.759 from your day, from your week. I understand that. But you 31 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.800 shouldn't be walking around thinking that you have a get out of jail free card 32 00:02:53.919 --> 00:03:01.759 because you know God, No, I believe I believe if you do wrong 33 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:06.439 you should pay the price. Okay, Then when then wherein lies the problem. 34 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:10.479 Well, I'm not but I'm not talking about anything of physical I'm not 35 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:17.439 talking about you amongous things as stealing the from the poor and robbing a bank 36 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:21.960 and taking somebody's life. But God sees those is all equal. You're the 37 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.719 one that sees those as different. Man sees those as a hierarchy. But 38 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:30.840 ultimately, any sin is a slap in the face of God. Any sin, 39 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:36.879 no matter how small. I understand that. I understand that, I 40 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.960 understand that. Well, you've answered my question. I appreciate that. Thank 41 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.439 you. Oh I hope so, Dan, But I get the feeling that 42 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:51.280 maybe there's something else more to it. Truth be told that it becomes very 43 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:58.400 easy for people to try and partition God. God is all love, God 44 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:03.479 is all justice. God has wrath. God is compassionate. All these things 45 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:08.439 are true. You can't separate them, and many of them go hand in 46 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:15.080 hand in a way that you don't even think about. So to define, 47 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:16.879 to think that God's going to look the other way when you do things is 48 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:24.000 not correct. God knows your heart as well. God knows when you make 49 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:29.680 mistakes. You can't just use the excuse that, oh, well, I'm 50 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:33.800 going to sin because I'm a sinner. God knows this as well. But 51 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:39.879 you need to seek those things that are good and trust that in your rebellion. 52 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.240 If you get into a state where you just continue to throw aside anything 53 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.439 that God says and think, hey, well, I'm just a sinner God, 54 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:54.040 then you will lose sight of God. Because the biggest consequence is it 55 00:04:54.160 --> 00:05:00.720 changing the relationship you have with God because you start to distance yourself from Him. 56 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:08.519 So keep that in mind. Mike, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 57 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.319 Good morning, Jesus. First of all, thank you so much for 58 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:17.399 what you did for me. I know that I don't deserve any of that, 59 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:20.120 and I don't deserve to judge others, but I have to live in 60 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:25.560 the flesh and I need to know what to do because your word says that 61 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:32.279 children are a gift from God. And yet you know, I'm in a 62 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:40.160 situation where for fifteen years I have so much as a father to give to 63 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:43.480 my daughter, and because of her mother and because of the system that I 64 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:47.800 have to go through to be near my daughter, it's been extremely difficult. 65 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.399 At best, It's me and forty men and other man. I know I'm 66 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:56.439 not alone, but I'm adopted and this is my only flesh and blood blood, 67 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:02.240 and what do anymore? And I can't. I can't. You know, 68 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.680 people tell me to turn away, you need to move along with your 69 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:09.399 life. And how am I supposed to do that? To turn away from 70 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:12.639 your daughter? Well, I mean, you know, because it's difficult. 71 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.360 It's hard to balance until I can, I feel, I until I can 72 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:19.639 get that relationship you know, in place, and I can, you know, 73 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.120 so I can be available to mine, but daughter can be available to 74 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:28.279 me, and vice versa. It's hard for me to quote unquote move on 75 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:32.920 with my life or get into what what's what's the impeding process here, what's 76 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:36.120 the what's the hurdle that you're having a hard time getting over to be able 77 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.519 to do? It's just plain of that I personally am Yeah. Is it 78 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:46.439 just just your your your wife? Well, you know she's gone through a 79 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:51.800 second marriage and since divorced, and and and my daughter's being raised in a 80 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:58.800 in an environment that doesn't really care for men that much anyway, and so 81 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:03.519 it's it's just basic, plain old parent alienation. There's nothing special about it. 82 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:09.120 It's just been really difficult for me to accept it, I guess, 83 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:12.920 and to not give up on the fight of being a part of my dollar's 84 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.240 life as much as possible. And it's just it's just an old fashioned parent 85 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:23.319 alienation and I've got to go through the same meat grinders as the father that 86 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.639 doesn't want to be a part of their kid's life. It's the same meat 87 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.040 grinder. Okay, well, then the process is going to be the same. 88 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.079 And I'm going to ask you to hold on Mike as we take a 89 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.439 quick break because I want to talk to you some more. But if the 90 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:42.639 situation is the old the same old story, then the response is going to 91 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:48.319 be similar. But I have some thoughts for you when we return talking with 92 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:56.800 Mike. Thanks for holding Mike. You're in a situation where you're divorced and 93 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:01.000 your wife has your child. Why does your wife have the custody of the 94 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:05.279 child. Well, we have joint legal, joint physical, and I mean 95 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.519 it's not like and I have a I do have a relationship with my child, 96 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:16.720 but it's been because I've you know, I've spent countless money and hours 97 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:22.519 in time over fifteen years to stay plugged in. But it's just it's it's 98 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.279 agonizing, it's a long suffering that I wonder if I'm even doing the right 99 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.639 thing anymore. I mean to be with your child, yes, of course, 100 00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:35.039 well I can't imagine not doing that. But I understand why guys walk 101 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:41.039 away because it's so difficult, and I just wonder, you know, if 102 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.000 I'm if if children are a gift from God, and God knows my heart, 103 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:52.519 and God has you know, promised to fulfill the desires of my heart 104 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:58.039 as I seek him first, what I'm doing wrong or I just don't know. 105 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.799 I don't know any more or how to process this on a daily basis, 106 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.600 you know, because I just don't get to be as part much a 107 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:07.960 part of my daughter's life as i'd like to be. Okay, now that 108 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.720 is by if it's fifty to fifty split, how often do you get to 109 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.480 the joint custody, how often do you get to see your daughter? Well, 110 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.279 it's pretty much she's fourteen, ash and just at the games or whatever. 111 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.960 I mean. The mothers ilated the court order every year for fifteen years. 112 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:26.799 And there's a many, so many for you know, there's a many, 113 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.120 so many filing fees and attorneys and twenty five hundred dollars a pop. 114 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.840 You can do it, Mike, No you've got nothing else. There is 115 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:39.159 no other part of your life until this child is eighteen. You agreed now, 116 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.159 regardless of your bad choice in women or her bad choice in men, 117 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.200 uh speaking of your ex wife, that you have to do that. Your 118 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:52.639 child is not part of the divorce. Child children don't get divorced. So 119 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.000 this is something you have to do, just like your job. Like anything 120 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:01.480 else. This is you have to do any thing and everything whatever it takes 121 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.519 to be a part of that child's life, even if it's a pain. 122 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:09.960 Well, yeah, and agree, I mean I'm not. I'm not even 123 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.440 if we're close to I mean I've gotten we don't have time on the radio 124 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.559 show, of course, but I mean the hoops have jumped through the state 125 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.399 like then. I understand a proof of that, but it's I guess. 126 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:26.840 The part that I'm asking about today is, you know, how do I 127 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:31.519 balance the other parts of my life when this continues to be such an unresolved, 128 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:37.480 overpowering thing. It's made it difficult for me to uh, you know, 129 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.000 develop relationships, you know, and look outside because I feel like it's 130 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.759 such a mess. That's not those things aren't important. I want you to 131 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:52.320 imagine it this way. You're on a ship and the ship has problems staying 132 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:58.360 buoyant and you have to toss things off the ship that you have to be 133 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:05.039 comfortable with tossing everything off that ship except your daughter. That's it. Okay, 134 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.279 well then I'm on track. State I'm an absolutely gladiator about it. 135 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.919 So that's fine. That's where. Well, then you are on the right 136 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.279 track, Mike, because that's what it comes down to when you start going 137 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.200 through the checklist on that ship saying Okay, well I don't need this or 138 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:22.159 I don't need that. You got to cut all those things loose. You've 139 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:26.480 got four more years. If she's fourteen, you got four more years, 140 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:30.759 uh, to do anything on everything possible, to be in that child's life, 141 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.480 to show your face, to explain the way life works, to give 142 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.799 her insights about life, to apologize for the mistakes you've made, to tell 143 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.720 her that that it's you know that. And this is important because people don't 144 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.879 get this sometimes in relationships, and we talk about this kind of corny, 145 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.120 but it's a good way to remember about relationships. Relationships are like colors. 146 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.200 Okay, you get two different people, two different colors, and you put 147 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.360 them together. There are ugly combinations, but it doesn't mean the individuals are 148 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:07.200 bad. So every color is beautiful in its own right. Some combinations not 149 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:13.519 so good. So keep that in mind in that you can talk to your 150 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.639 daughter and say, listen, it's not about your mother, it's not about 151 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.840 me. We out both have our own issues, but the one thing we 152 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.600 agreed on always is how beautiful and wonderful you are and how much we love 153 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.799 you. And that's what I'm fighting for. I will do anything and everything 154 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:30.320 to be a part of your life, and I want you to know it 155 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:31.759 and how much I love you, and I am so proud of you and 156 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.399 the things that you've done, and I don't want to make mistakes that I've 157 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:41.759 made become part of your life. And you need to be honest as you 158 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:48.480 can, age appropriate and fight for the next four years because it's not about 159 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:52.919 you right now. You kind of gave that up during the process, and 160 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.559 it really stinks. But it sounds like you're fighting, and I can hear 161 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.799 the pain and I hear the quivering in your voice. But you have to 162 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:07.519 push through that and continue to fight until it's over. And that's eighteen that 163 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:09.679 fights over, and then the daughter can come and go as she pleases, 164 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:18.600 and your relationship will change. Milton, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 165 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.240 Good morning, Jesus. How are you so? I am well? How 166 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.840 are you? I'm so good? Thank you so much for this program. 167 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.000 I had a quick question about music choices. I work with a lot of 168 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:31.840 youth and I always am getting questions about music and music selection, particularly when 169 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.639 it comes to secular versus gospel or Christian music in general. I know that 170 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:41.360 you have such great selections here and it's not relegated to just Christian music. 171 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.200 So can you help me out a little bit with that? Oh? Excellent. 172 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.600 It's a great question, an important one early on in the program. 173 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.320 The program's actually been around for a long time, but early on in the 174 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.440 program, my producer Neil felt that it was very important to use a mix 175 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:00.240 of music, not all gospel. It's not a religious show, a show 176 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:07.279 about truth and about searching and hopefully finding, and so it's important to get 177 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.600 people in that mentality and it's been a big part of the people that participate 178 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.320 in the show. Engineer Tony is also our music director, and it becomes 179 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.919 a big part of the program. If you listen to it, it ties 180 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.080 in but Early on, people would go, well, how come you're using 181 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:28.600 secular music, And my response has always been that the enemy has always taken 182 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.120 that which is for God, that is to glorify God, and try and 183 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.600 tear it down and try and make it into something ugly. And on this 184 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:39.960 show we kind of do the reverse and take the things that the enemy may 185 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.000 use at times, not all secular music, but what the enemy may use 186 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:50.919 at times for doing bad, and twist it into doing good and kind of 187 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:54.639 one up the enemy that way. Also, there's a lot of good music 188 00:14:54.679 --> 00:15:01.399 out there that's secular. Truth is truth is truth, Truth is God's truth, 189 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:09.960 And as long as it's not prescribing something ugly or evil, then we'll 190 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.799 use it here, and I think that it's okay. Now. Also, 191 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:18.159 we will use some things that I wouldn't necessarily recommend sometimes because we feel that 192 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.480 they are the voice of the listener, Like there's times where the listener will 193 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:24.240 be upset or going through pain and will scream out to God. And I 194 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.200 think that that's a legitimate art form. So as far as kids are concerned, 195 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:33.200 it's good to listen to what they're listening to, but understand that they 196 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.600 may not receive the music you think in a way that you think they're receiving 197 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:43.000 it. They may just like the beat. Oftentimes you'll get that they may 198 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.639 just like the way the voice sounds and they're not even hearing the words. 199 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.000 So using that is a kind of a place to start and go, Okay, 200 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.639 what are the words saying and what are they meaning? And what does 201 00:15:56.759 --> 00:15:58.799 the person the kid listening think that they mean. And you'll find that that 202 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:03.440 you don't always even understand what's going on. It's usually going to come down 203 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.679 to the music, and you have to use that as a guideline as to 204 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:11.399 whether it's going to affect the child or not. Sean, Welcome to the 205 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:17.399 Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus. I have a question. My brother in 206 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.360 law is a Christian. He's been a Christian mostly all his life, and 207 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:23.679 he used to go set up tents all over the world and that and he 208 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:29.399 changed my life about fifteen years ago. And I used to live in Niagara 209 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:32.919 Falls in New York and I moved here to Arizona. And I was talking 210 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.600 to him about a month ago because I like keeping in touch with him, 211 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:40.440 and we talked about the Holy Spirit and just I just get drunken about the 212 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:41.759 Holy Spirit. I loved talking to him. And he was telling me a 213 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.039 month ago as he was going upstairs to his bedroom that someone tapped on his 214 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.799 shoulders and it was Jesus, and he said, you know, he looked 215 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.960 at him and just started laughing the smuts, and Jesus said to him, 216 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.840 he said, let's go for a walk. I'm going to take you somewhere 217 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.840 and show you some things that's going on in the world right now. It 218 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.480 kind of makes me jealous because I believe in my brother in law so much. 219 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.519 He doesn't lie and he tells the truth. And I believe in Jesus 220 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.119 so much that I wish how come he come to me like that, you 221 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:15.519 know, in human spirit and sit and talk to me, you know. 222 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:21.039 And well, it kind of battered me because I'm jealous because I love Jesus 223 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.119 and I believe him are of a sudden, but it's not a thing I 224 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:26.640 have today is because of him. But don't get into a place of jealousy 225 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:32.279 that comes from the devil. There's no there's no benefit to covet in that 226 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.920 particular case. And we have kind of a standing rule when it comes to 227 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.720 things experiences Sean. You can't take away from someone's experience because you weren't there, 228 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.960 So I don't want to pull apart his experience. And it's not like 229 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:52.440 anything was said that was, you know, somehow contrary to scripture. But 230 00:17:53.559 --> 00:18:00.160 for me to appear to somebody is very would be very specific, and it 231 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.880 wouldn't just be random, per se. And the things that are taught can't 232 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:08.400 be like hidden knowledge like the Gnostics thought, can't be something that is you 233 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:12.039 know. It's like, now you have information that other people don't that could 234 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:18.519 be dangerous. But putting aside the apparition, putting aside and trusting that it 235 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.960 is what it is, you say, he's not a liar. The jealousy 236 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:29.039 issue comes to the forefront that if you get caught up. Christians do this 237 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.000 all the times. They get caught up in what other people's gifts are, 238 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.039 and that is completely worldly. That's of the devil, that has nothing to 239 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:38.640 do with God and Corinthians. It talks about the varied gifts, the different 240 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.319 gifts, and that if that, you know, if you don't have that 241 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.160 particular gift or you don't have that experience, doesn't mean that you won't have 242 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:48.400 another one. But while you're focusing on that. If you're lost in that 243 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.400 person's gift, if you're lost in that person's abilities, you're lost in what's 244 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:56.880 going on in that person's life. You're not receptive to those things that God 245 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:02.279 has for you. That's where the shape comes in. That's the bummer of 246 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:07.640 the situation. To be caught up in that state of coveteousness is only going 247 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:14.240 to keep you from moving and strengthening yourself. Praise God that you are in 248 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:18.079 the state that you are in, Sean, That's wonderful that this person in 249 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:26.759 your life helped bring you to the knowledge of Christ, to the power of 250 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:34.680 this belief system, and to the reality of God becoming man and dying for 251 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:41.319 your sins. That's huge. There is no other gift greater. Humans get 252 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.880 caught up in the physical, in the now, and in wanting to see 253 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:53.000 signs and wonders miracles, And I'm telling you the most precious miracle possible is 254 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.119 that God sent me to die on that cross so that you could have life 255 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:03.559 everlasting. If you receive that gift, there is no gift greater than that, 256 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.680 not even me showing up at the foot of your bed, because coming 257 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:18.039 and dying for you was the best gift I could possibly give. Mary. 258 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:21.920 Welcome to the Jesus Christ. Thank you Jesus for help in every area of 259 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:26.160 my life. I really really appreciate all that you do for me every day. 260 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:27.680 Well, it's nice of you to say you're very welcome. How can 261 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.920 I help you today? Well, Jesus, you said that all men would 262 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:34.519 know us by our love, the love that we have one for another, 263 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:37.880 and the love that we show the world. Yes, John thirteen thirty five. 264 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:45.079 Yes, and Jesus. My concern is that when I tried to talk 265 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:49.559 to people about you being real and the wonderful things that you want to give 266 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:56.480 eternal life and your great promises, they associate you with a particular group of 267 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:03.480 people. Even relatives don't want any part of you because they associate you with 268 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:07.279 the rage that they're hearing, the political rage and the frenzy, and they 269 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.079 don't feel that that is very loving of us. And it's hard for me 270 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.079 to get past that. And I don't know how to deal with it myself, 271 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.440 because I have friends that are very political in their Christian friends and they 272 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:23.279 call in an up war. And if I don't, if I'm not careful 273 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.279 I get caught up into that, and then I have a spirit of offense 274 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:32.880 or an attitude of being angry. And I have literally had to cry out 275 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:37.319 to you, God, save my heart, save me from being angry or 276 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.880 offended, because I cannot have a relationship with you if I'm against this, 277 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:47.119 against that, and getting swept up into the frenzy. So how do I 278 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:52.160 convey to both sides, my non believing friends and my Christian friends that you're 279 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.160 not in the middle of all of this anger and all of this, you 280 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.640 know, just being upset. That's not you. Well, not always the 281 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.039 case. There is a time to be upset. If you remember there in 282 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:10.720 scripture, I turned over the merchants at the temple, and that was anger. 283 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:14.240 There was righteous indignation, and there is a time and a place for 284 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:18.519 anger. There's also Matthew ten thirty four says, think not that I came 285 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:23.319 to bring peace on earth. I came to bring a sword. There is 286 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:29.680 going to be times to rise up. Matthew eleven twelve talks about that the 287 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:33.519 kingdom is since the time of John the Baptist, the Kingdom has suffered violence 288 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:37.920 and that it's people are trying to take it by force. There is going 289 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.680 to be defense of the kingdom at some times. However, yes, he's 290 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:44.759 a scie. Saw you'd being angry with religious people, not the sinners. 291 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:48.920 Though, No, it's true, but in this case you're talking about religious 292 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.599 people that were outside of the flock, but they're angry at political things instead 293 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:59.680 of being angry at sin in general. Yes, more of an anger over 294 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.079 power. And I'm like, well, wait a minute, the anger you 295 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:07.920 had was just people being the hatred and the sin that caused people to hate 296 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:12.160 other people. I'm just trying to figure out how do we show love but 297 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:18.200 yet it has to be tough sometimes too. Hold on that thought, Mary, 298 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.720 I'll come back with more thoughts on this. We were chatting with Mary. 299 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.400 Mary, you're still there, Yes, thanks for holding my dear. 300 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:29.720 But I was saying, Jesus say, is you weren't mad at your government, 301 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.920 though you were mad at the religious hypocrites? Right? Correct. There 302 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.480 is the place for anger, But my thing is keeping calm and keeping walking 303 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:41.119 in love no matter what, to all people. And well, how do 304 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.359 you do that? Because you do see things that are wrong, But at 305 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:48.920 the same time, I don't, as your example, I don't ever see 306 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:55.119 you rising up against any type of superpower of your day. You didn't take 307 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:59.519 Caesar to task, right, there was a specific need to my being here, 308 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.799 though, that's completely different. I was, if you recall that, 309 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.759 And I said this on more than one occasion. There were times where I 310 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.480 said, you can't do anything to me. If I batted my eyes, 311 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.440 there would be a legion of angels here to fight, not to shake hands, 312 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.480 not to high five, but to fight for me if I so willed 313 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:23.240 it. Also to Pontus Pilot. In the discussion with Ponchous Pilot, he 314 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:27.720 looked at me and wanting me to shut up, said don't you know that 315 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:32.240 I can crucify you? And I looked at him and said, don't you 316 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:37.279 know that that authority comes from me? So there is a battle that goes 317 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:41.680 on. There's never in the case of John the Baptist, John the Baptist 318 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:47.839 baptized military men never once saying that they had to leave the military. There 319 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.799 is a purpose to fighting at times. There are times in scriptures where it 320 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:55.039 says, if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak, buy a 321 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.599 sword, because there's going to be a time there's going to be a necessity 322 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.319 for fight. At times, now what I don't like, Mary that you 323 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:06.400 brought up. If that's the only thing that's being seen, there has to 324 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.200 be a balance. Yes, it says in John thirteen thirty five that Christians 325 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:15.079 will be known by their love for one another and even their love for their 326 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:22.200 enemies. But this kind of, this lukewarm, sappy kind of I'm just 327 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:27.440 going to smile while someone's pummeling me or pummeling the very foundations of my faith 328 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:33.720 doesn't help anybody. It doesn't help any You wouldn't do that in your home. 329 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.359 You wouldn't say, come in ravage my home, ravage my family, 330 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.960 harm them, and leave because you don't know any better. There are scriptures 331 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:48.920 that point out the fact that Christians shouldn't think that non Christians are going to 332 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:56.240 ask christianly. Why would a non Christian act christianly? It's not their nature, 333 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:57.519 it's not their care. They don't they don't know better. I know 334 00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:02.960 that sounds incredibly connesset, but I mean that in the most academic sense. 335 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.799 They just don't know. That's not their way of living. So yes, 336 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:11.559 to force those ideas on people that don't believe that way doesn't make sense. 337 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:17.599 I agree with you in that sense and say on the show many times that 338 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:23.440 as Christians, you are called to change hearts, not laws. The laws 339 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:29.240 will follow, laws will change with the changing of hearts. But that's God 340 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:34.440 gauges people on their heart. And so the battle goes on, whether it's 341 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:42.759 abortion or whether it's the churches battling in their eyes the noble quest for some 342 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:49.000 ideal or whatever it is. That, yes, that can be misconstrued, 343 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:55.599 and oftentimes even for noble and righteous causes, people consume them and they become 344 00:26:55.640 --> 00:27:00.519 their God. People start worshiping these causes in the Christian rights has done this 345 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.680 at times as well. Get lost in the cause, get lost in the 346 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.640 political fight, get lost in all these things where God means nothing. Now, 347 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:14.759 now it's about the fight and not the purpose of the fight. That 348 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.400 it's the fight engulfs the individual to where it's not about God anymore. It's 349 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:25.160 not about what's righteous, it's not about teaching, training, showing loving. 350 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.599 It's about the battle. And then pride dips in and all those things. 351 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.680 But there the two sides to this is one, there are absolutely things that 352 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:40.880 Christians should fight for. Your ability to worship as you wish, when you 353 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:47.720 wish in the United states, and to defend when that is being taken away 354 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:53.119 from you, and then slowly to defend those that are weaker in a way 355 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:59.440 that glorifies God and shows people the love and consistency of the truth of God, 356 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:04.480 so that people may learn from it. And all those you know have 357 00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:11.440 a place. But it's not it's not like you just want to be loved. 358 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:15.680 Well, I just want to be liked. Therefore I'm just only going 359 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.279 to say nice things. I'm never gonna that doesn't help anybody. Correction is 360 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.640 important in life. Doesn't always have to come at the end of a sword, 361 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:32.000 but correction is important. So the balance here is that Christians should be 362 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:45.200 should be showing and demonstrating both love and defense when necessary. But the world's 363 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.400 going to point out what it wants to point out. It's going to see 364 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.759 what it wants to see, and it's going to mock what it wants to 365 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:56.319 mock regardless, and keep that in mind that it's not always going to be 366 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:57.960 as cut and dry. But I like the spirit from where you come, 367 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.160 Marry, and I think your point is very valid that Christians have to be 368 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.880 aware of their actions and the things they do and not beat up somebody over 369 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.319 the head. Who doesn't who doesn't know, doesn't practice Christianity, doesn't even 370 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:21.279 understand. But you know I did beat up the religious more than not, 371 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:29.880 but for everyone's benefit to hear. I appreciate that you took the time to 372 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:33.680 join me this Sunday, as I hope you do every Sunday. Keep in 373 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.440 mind, more importantly than all the craziness that goes on in the world, 374 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:45.079 remember these words, I Am with you Always KF I am six forty on demand