WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:15.160 Hi, and welcome back to give us more n Hi'm Megan, and we 2 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:19.800 almost forgot to press record. Yeah, that could have been a catastrophe. 3 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:22.480 I literally was just about to start and you're like, oh, let me 4 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:29.399 just record it. And so how's the years guys, this week been. 5 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:34.439 Can you enjoying what we're putting that so far? Because I got a depressing 6 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:40.320 case today. Oh fun, that's but it's also filled with mystery. So 7 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:46.200 okay, okay, let's do it. Yeah. So this week I am 8 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:51.719 going to tell you all about Emmanuela a Lordi or some of you may know 9 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:57.759 the Vatican Girl on Netflix does obviously where I got my inspiration from, and 10 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:03.599 I watched it twice because I had to refresh my memory. That is also 11 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:11.120 something that I started watching and just didn't quite finish. So Emmanuela or Landi 12 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.439 was born January fourth, nineteen sixty eight, in the Vatican City of Rome, 13 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:22.319 Italy. Her father was Heir Cole and her mother was Maria Orlandi. 14 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:32.159 She had four siblings, Petro, Natali, Natalie, Natala natal I can't 15 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:41.879 my brain your glitching, Natalia Federica and Maria. I'm very sorry if I 16 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:47.359 know I butchered like every single one of those names, Yeah, especially Maria, 17 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:53.519 but they're Italian, Okay, Irish, so I struggle. Her father, 18 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:59.000 er Cole, was an employee in the papal household in the Vatican, 19 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:04.200 so he were in the Vatican, just like his father and his grandfather. 20 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:09.120 So this family has been in the Vatican and working closely with the Vatican for 21 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:15.599 generations. At this stage, it was very common for Emmanuela and her siblings 22 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:20.039 to play in the Vatican gardens, and it was quite normal for the family 23 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.560 to interact with the Pope and other higher ups in the church from time to 24 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:29.960 time, just from being in like the in the gardens and stuff. I 25 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.360 would ship myself. If I was in front of the Pope, I would 26 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:37.000 feel like he would know all of my deepest, darkest, horrible secrets. 27 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.759 I'd feel like you'd tried to judge me, but nobody can judge me. 28 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:46.400 Only God can judge me. In nineteen eighty three, fifteen year old Emmanuela 29 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:51.680 would disappear. She was in her second year of secondary school. She sang 30 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:58.360 in the church choir and was a talented flute player. Emmanuela was attending music 31 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.280 lessons three times a week. One of the best music schools in Rome. 32 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:06.000 She had to take a bus to get to the school, which was based 33 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:09.800 in Central Rome, which meant she had to leave the Vatican City. It 34 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:15.319 wasn't from what I remember, it wasn't so far away from the gates of 35 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:19.199 Vaticans. No, it's not like too far away. But like once you 36 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:23.479 exit those grounds, you're considered then in Italy, and in Italy you're considered 37 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:30.240 then in Rome. And even though like the Vaticans literally in the center of 38 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:34.479 Rome, but you know, still considered Central Rome. Yeah, yeah, 39 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:37.759 and like she still had to get like a bus to wherever it was. 40 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:42.560 On June twenty second, nineteen eighty three, Emmanuela was running late for her 41 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.759 music class, and she asked her brother Petro to drive her. He told 42 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.919 Emmanuela that he couldn't bring her as he was driving his then girlfriend to the 43 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.800 airport. That would be the last time that he would ever see his sister. 44 00:03:54.800 --> 00:04:00.960 After her music class, Emmanuela rang home and her sister Fredrika answered. 45 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:04.199 She said that she was going to be late coming home as a woman who 46 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:09.840 was selling Avon products had approached her and offered her a well paying job to 47 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:13.319 hand out leaflets like it was just like, hey, I'll pay you, 48 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:18.319 I know, twenty year old to like hand out these fifteen leaflets or something, 49 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.360 you know, like guy, yeah, easy money. I'll just do 50 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:27.079 was walk around Rome for an hour handing out leaflets and she's made however much 51 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:31.439 money. Emmanuela was then last seen by her classmates at a bus stop at 52 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:38.680 around seven thirty pm with an unidentified girl. Emmanuela's family began to get a 53 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.439 little bit concerned as it was starting to get quite late and she wasn't home 54 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.040 yet. They decided that they were going to go out looking for her, 55 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.399 and they looked for her between the Vatican and the music school. Her father 56 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:54.399 then went to report her missing two police, but he was asked to wait 57 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:59.839 until morning because they have to be missing for so many hours. I don't 58 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.959 think that's the case at all anywhere anymore. And I think in America they 59 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.680 have to be missing twenty four hours. Was that not removed with a law? 60 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.839 I think children are a different case, but adults I think have to 61 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:14.319 be missing at least twenty four hours. Okay, because with kids, know 62 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:18.600 you have amber alerts, yes, yeah, but I think I think adults 63 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.839 Correct me if I'm wrong. If we're from America. But I'm I'm pretty 64 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:27.839 sure Americans still have to like adults have to be missing twenty four hours, 65 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:32.240 okay, which, like, I'm sorry, is that not like the most 66 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:38.240 crucial time to find them? They literally have a show called the First twenty 67 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:44.399 four They have another show just called twenty four Yeah, and it's all about 68 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:49.519 her. That was twenty four hours and the most crucial any hoodults. Emmanuela 69 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:55.240 was declared officially missing the following morning, and over a couple of days, 70 00:05:55.279 --> 00:06:00.199 the press began releasing photos of Emmanuela to try and help find her. Even 71 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.360 twenty fifth, at about six pm, a guy who was claiming to be 72 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:11.600 a sixteen year old boy named per Luigi per Luigi, he said that he 73 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:17.120 and his fiance he's claiming to be sixteen, He and his fiancee had met 74 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:24.879 Emmanuela at Piazza Novana that afternoon. He was able to describe her, and 75 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.800 he mentioned that she was carrying a flute and that she had a big pair 76 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.399 of glasses that she didn't like wearing, which was true, she did. 77 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:36.639 She had like big chunky glasses, I think chunky, and that she hated 78 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:43.959 having to wear but she like had two for certain certain instances and sorry, 79 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.040 can we just go back to an engaged sixteen year old? Yeah? So 80 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:56.279 I'm pretty sure that this guy is like who he says he is and is 81 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:00.639 not sixteen. Okay. I love the way he's like, I'm gonna lie 82 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.839 and pretend like I'm sixteen. So me and my fiance where I don't know. 83 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.519 I've I feel like I knew some people in school that we're getting engaged 84 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:14.839 at sixteen, but it was like not really real, Yeah, we're engaged, 85 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:24.560 Jade it and me. That's man, because we're in sixteen. So 86 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:30.759 this guy said that Emmanuela had just gotten her hair cut and he and introduced 87 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.920 herself as Barbarrella, and she was telling them about how she got a job 88 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:41.120 selling Avon products and she was like on her way to start a new life, 89 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:46.160 and sorry, Barbarella is the sickest fucking name. What's her name, 90 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:51.160 Barbarrella? I want that name. She also told them about how she'd just 91 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:55.399 ran away from home, and you know, they were just like, cool, 92 00:07:55.639 --> 00:08:00.920 cool, You're not the missing girl, are you. Then on June 93 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:05.360 twenty eighth, a man named Mario, which I have to write because these 94 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.240 are not real people, well, they are real people, but they're not 95 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:13.839 who they say they are, and they chose Mario and Luigi. It's me 96 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:20.680 a Mario. He rang to say that he was the owner of a bar 97 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:26.040 between the Vatican and Emmanuela's music school. A new customer of his was a 98 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:30.079 young girl named Barbara, and she had told him about how she had just 99 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.480 run away from home, but she was going to return home soon for her 100 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.600 sister's wedding, and one of her, like her older sister I, was 101 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:43.000 engaged, so it was like, ooh interesting m A few days later, 102 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:48.240 the our Landi family began putting up missing persons posters all over Rome. On 103 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:54.159 July third, during the Angelus, Pope John Paul the Second appeal to those 104 00:08:54.240 --> 00:09:01.960 responsible for Emmanuela's disappearance to bring her home. Shortly after this, the Orlandi 105 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:07.600 family began receiving phone calls from a guy that they named the American. The 106 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.600 man claimed that he had taken Emmanuela on behalf of a terrorist group that they 107 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:20.799 called Turkesh. They were willing to exchange Manuela for Mamet ali Aki. I'm 108 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.720 so sorry if I murdered that name. Mamet was a turkish Man who had 109 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:31.360 shot Pope John Paul second in May nineteen eighty one in an attempted assassination. 110 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.440 No further information was ever given to the family, and then the family would 111 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.720 receive more calls from the so called American. He would even go on to 112 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:46.639 play a recording of emmanuel screaming. The American rang the Vatican making their demands. 113 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:50.919 They wanted to do a prisoner exchange. The American told the Vatican that 114 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.840 per Luigi and Mario were a part of the Turkesh and that they had made 115 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:01.200 these phone calls on behalf of the Turkesh to give the family hope. That's 116 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:09.039 just really sick and twisted ship. On July sixth, a man informed NASA 117 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:15.000 News agency about the prisoner exchange. They said that the Pope had twenty days 118 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:20.279 to pardon Memet. They said that in a bin near the Italian Parliament was 119 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.799 proof that they had Emmanuela. And in this spin they found a photocopy of 120 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.440 Emmanuela's student id, a receipt for her tuition, and a note that was 121 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:33.600 reportedly written by Emmanuela. How did they get a receipt for her tuition? 122 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.120 It was I think in her like supposed to be in her bag or in 123 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.720 her pocket or something, oh okay. On July eighth, a man reportedly 124 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:48.799 rang one of Emmanuela's classmates, telling him that Emmanuela had twenty days. He 125 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.600 then asked for a direct line to the Vatican Secretary of State. This line, 126 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:58.279 so there was no like you couldn't pick up your phone and directly call 127 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:03.080 the Vatican Secretary of State. You had to like go through a bunch of 128 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.080 people. M Can I just ask what the fuck was a classmate supposed to 129 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:11.159 do about all of this? Yeah, I don't know. And they just 130 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.519 kept ringing everyone being like she has twenty days, like the val like the 131 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:22.639 pope has twenty days to like pardon your man. So your man attempted to 132 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.840 kill the pope was naturally arrested and charged for it. And then they were 133 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:30.720 trying to say that no, he needed to be let out and that in 134 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:35.240 exchange for this, we will give you Emmanuela. And like the top process 135 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:41.279 was that she was from the Vatican City like, and her family worked for 136 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:48.759 generations within the Vatican, so it was like she was supposed to hold significance, 137 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:54.519 but see the pope don't care. I'm shocked, horrified, that the 138 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:58.120 Pope doesn't care, Pope, just go Pope in his little popemobile. So 139 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:05.120 the direct line to the Vatican Secretary of State was installed. On July eighteenth, 140 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.360 the American made about sixteen phone calls from various different public phones all across 141 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:15.360 Rome. On July seventeenth, an audio tape of a girl being tortured was 142 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:20.759 found near the NSA headquarters, which is just like a news a news outlet. 143 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:26.120 Later on, the recording was published and was given to the Orlandi family. 144 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:31.120 However, the officer who had found the tape claimed that the tape given 145 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:37.639 to the Orlandi family was either manipulated or faith I think I remember this from 146 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.440 the show, and they were saying that they thought it was porn. Yeah, 147 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.720 it's so when you listen to the tape, you would get the impression 148 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:52.200 that it's someone being tortured. But if you like unjust like a first listen 149 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.039 kind of a thing, but on further listen, it actually more so sounds 150 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:01.559 like a porno right. Yeah, But he's saying that the tape that he 151 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:07.639 found was different to the tape that was given to the Orlandi family. Oh 152 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.600 yeah, So he claimed that the original tape was longer and you could hear 153 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.639 a male voice in the background. Oh my god. So why would they 154 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.759 do that? Because Pope gonna Pope. On August fourth, nineteen eighty three, 155 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:24.000 the NSA received a letter from the Turkesh. They claimed to have Emmanuela 156 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.639 and would free her in exchange for the freedom of Memet. They never gave 157 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.799 any physical evidence that they actually had Emmanuela, Like it was all this like 158 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:41.600 circumstantial, Like here's a photocopy of her, id who's to say you didn't 159 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.720 just find her bag, Like they never like sent a photo of her, 160 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.759 or they never put her on the phone. But the only thing was was 161 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.960 that they were able to give details about her, and they even mentioned about 162 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:01.519 how how many moles that she had on her back. Right in October nineteen 163 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:07.120 eighty three, Turkesh claimed the responsibility for the disappearance of another girl. Marrella 164 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.080 Gregory was born October seventh, nineteen sixty seven, in Rome, Italy. 165 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.279 On May seventh, nineteen eighty three, Marella got a phone call from one 166 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.559 of her classmates, Alessandro, telling her they were outside. Marrella went missing 167 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:30.399 before Emmanuela and in October nineteen eighty three, so after the disappearance of Emmanuela, 168 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.639 and after a few months of being like, we have Emmanuela, like 169 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.679 released this guy, then they were like, oh, by the way, 170 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.679 we also kidnapped another girl back in May, and nobody like right. So 171 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:46.600 Marella went missing. On May seventh, nineteen eighty three, she got a 172 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.200 phone call from one of her classmates, Alessandro, telling her that they were 173 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.559 outside. Marrella told her mother that she was going to go down and see 174 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.360 them and that she would be back in about ten minutes. Marrella was never 175 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.080 seen again. Turkesh took responsibility for her disappearance and requested that the Italian president 176 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:09.799 pardon Memet in exchange for the release of Marella. So the thought process in 177 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:16.399 this is that they took someone from Rome so that they could use her to 178 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:24.200 bergain with the Italian government, and then they took somebody from the Vatican so 179 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:30.200 that they could use her to bargain with the Pope and with the Vatican. 180 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.200 So they took someone from each area to be like, we have these two 181 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.480 girls from Rome and the Vatican work together, pardon him, get him out. 182 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.000 On October twentieth, nineteen eighty three, the Italian President publicly appealed for 183 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.799 the two girls to be freed and brought home safely. In nineteen ninety seven, 184 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.480 the Emmanuela case was dismissed by the public prosecutor as there had been no 185 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:03.080 new leads or evidence. In twenty Pietro and his mother met Pope Francis outside 186 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.919 from Mass. As Pietro made his way over to the Pope, a guard 187 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.960 whispered something in the Pope's ear, and then the Pope made a comment, 188 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:18.480 Emmanuela is in heaven. Oh. This made Pietro believe that the Pope and 189 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:25.559 the Vatican knew something about Emmanuela's disappearance. Pietro questioned why the Pope would say 190 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:29.240 something like that, and to this day is still questioning why the Pope would 191 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.799 say something like that. So there are many many theories as to what happened 192 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:38.759 to Emmanuela. In two thousand, an Italian prosecutor stated that Emmanuela was alive 193 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:44.279 and well. He believed that she was living in a Muslim in a Muslim 194 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:49.320 community in Paris. What why would she, having grown up literally in the 195 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:57.000 Vatican, then change her religion. So it's like believed that like she was 196 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:03.279 kidnapped and then like brainwashed to be a part of this like terrorist slash Muslim 197 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.960 community. And I'm not saying yeah, like I'm not saying that Muslims are 198 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:11.039 terrorists. I'm saying that this is what like is being you know, like 199 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:17.480 this these are don't get it confused, please. Mamet also stated in an 200 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:22.559 interview that Emmanuela had been kidnapped by the Gray Wolves, which is a far 201 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:27.680 right Turkish organization. He said that Emmanuela was still alive and living in Central 202 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:33.759 Europe. The group the Turkish, had originally taken responsibility. It all turned 203 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:38.880 out to be a made up organization and as far as police investigations could prove, 204 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:44.720 like, there was no proof that this was a real life terrorist organizing. 205 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:48.559 Like so when she first got abducted, someone was going around being like, 206 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:52.920 we are the Turkish, like we are a terrorist organization. Mamet is 207 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:57.519 with us, release him and you'll get these two girls back. Now Here 208 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:03.599 we are in two thousand and it's been proved, as far as police can 209 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:08.640 prove, this isn't a terrorist organization. This is just someone being like released 210 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:14.880 my met Okay, all right, my meta fans, you gotta make up 211 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:21.519 a whole terrorist organization for a man, really a man that's shot the pope, 212 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.880 shot the Pope. I don't understand what Like I don't care for the 213 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:26.680 Pope doesn't mean I'm going to go shoot the man. Yeah, It's just 214 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.279 I wouldn't go out of my way if he was in my back garden, 215 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:32.839 you know, my offer and my cup of tea. But that'd be about 216 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:33.920 it. I think I'd be a bit like, oh shit, pops my 217 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:40.039 garden the fuck. Some people believe that the Turkish had links with the Italian 218 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:45.799 intelligence, as they knew details about Emmanuela's case that only police at the time 219 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.559 would know. Okay. In two thousand and eight, a former agent of 220 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:56.319 the Secret Service of Germany claimed that the Gray Wolves were responsible for Immanuela's disappearance. 221 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:00.799 He claimed that this was to cover up the theory that Moment was working 222 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:06.880 with the Bulgarian secret Service when he tried to assassinate Pope John Paul the Second. 223 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.400 He reported that the idea came from the KGB, the KGE. You 224 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:18.720 don't fuck with the KGB. So here we are interesting. Interesting. So 225 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:30.119 i'm's going to take a quick little ad break and we're back on July eleventh 226 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:37.880 to t five an an ominous caller to an Italian talk show claimed that Emmanuela's 227 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:44.839 case would be solved if they looked at who was buried in the crypt Basilica 228 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:52.039 descent apple la a polanaire. I'm very sorry about that, And if they 229 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:56.680 looked at the favor the pees did for Cardinal Polenti, and that's a quote. 230 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:04.119 Oh what did Cardinal Lenti get up to? So Basilica was a church 231 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:11.000 with burial crypts commonly kept for high ranking officials of the Vatican. It was 232 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:15.079 discovered that Enrico de Pet's, the leader of a Roman gang, was buried 233 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:22.680 in a crypt at Basilica in nineteen ninety In nineteen ninety seven, an article 234 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.599 was published about this, and it had caused public outrage at the time and 235 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:32.400 even protests from the police union because what was a crime boss doing being buried 236 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:37.960 in Basilica, which was kept for higher ups in the Vatican. M Cardinal 237 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:42.680 Palenti was the leader of the bishops of Italy at the time of Enrico's death 238 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:48.599 and his burial. The crypt was opened and the DNA samples were taken, 239 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:56.319 but nothing proved that Enrico had anything to do with Emmanuela's disappearance. However, 240 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.480 it started the theory that Enrico killed Emmanuela on the orders of Cardinal Palenti. 241 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:07.680 Okay. In February two thousand and six, a former member of Enrico's gang 242 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.599 came forward and said he knew who the voice of Mario was. He said 243 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:18.480 it was a man named Roffetto. This was then corroborated by Enrico's former girlfriend, 244 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:25.039 Sabrina Minardi. Yes, Sabrina, yeah, and no, yeah, 245 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:27.480 no, Sabrina, I mean yeah, she should have said something a lot 246 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:38.039 earlier. We don't know how true Sabrina's story is. So Sabrina claimed that 247 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:45.839 Emmanuela was kidnapped on the orders of Archbishop Paul Markee. I'm just going to 248 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.160 call him Marcus. That's not his name, and I'm so sorry, but 249 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:56.480 I can't pronounce it. I researched this literally last year, and so aunciation 250 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.480 has left man. And you think I would have watched a video or Google 251 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.160 translated all their names so that I could say them, but I did not. 252 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.079 So the name is what it is. We're here today the disgraced leader 253 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:14.759 of the Vatican Bank. So Archbishop Paul Marcus is a disgraced leader of the 254 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.640 Vatican Bank as part of his power move. She was like, he kidnapped 255 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.880 this girl for a power move. She stated that Emmanuela was kept in her 256 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.200 apartment outside of Rome for several days. She was locked up in a room 257 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:33.839 and kept drugged so she couldn't fight back. Then Emmanuela was moved to another 258 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:38.960 apartment inside of Rome. Sabrina claimed that Enrico told her to drive the girl 259 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:42.160 to the Vatican and hand her over to a man dressed like a priest, 260 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:45.720 and that's what she like, she claims that's what she did. She put 261 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.920 Emmanuela in the back of the car, she drove from the apartment to the 262 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.160 Vatican, through all these back roads, met a man who was clearly a 263 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.880 priest or dressed like a priest, and hand Emmanuela after after him, and 264 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:06.119 then she went on about her business and do we think it was a real 265 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:12.480 priest And I'll tell yeah, I'll tell you like my thoughts and that at 266 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:18.519 the end, Okay, it's it's hard to know what's fact and what's fiction 267 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.400 in this case. And like the per family, like they just want answers 268 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:30.039 and people are too busy, like being so intrigued into the mystery of it 269 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.480 all, that it's like they'll make up the family has forgotten about and the 270 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:38.000 fact that it's two girls went missing and we're never we're never here from exactly. 271 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:45.319 So police do have doubts about Sabrina's statement, as she's changed different parts 272 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:51.039 of her story each time she tells it. She also mentioned the help of 273 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:56.160 some people who were dead by nineteen eighty three. Okay. She also changed 274 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:03.079 the location as to where Emmanuela was kept. Sabrina also has a huge history 275 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.880 of drug abuse, so this just made her a completely unreliable source. Her 276 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.920 testimony was leaked to the press in June ties and eight, however, even 277 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:17.240 though she had given multiple different testimonies. Yeah, I mean, there's for 278 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:22.319 sure probably i'd say some truth, like she was definitely Enrico's girlfriend at the 279 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.559 time, and she definitely seen some shit, and like, I don't think 280 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:32.440 it's out of the realm of possibility that she could have done something like this, 281 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:36.200 because I'd say she's a little bit scared of him, a little bit 282 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.880 He's gonna give me my drugs. Yeah, mixture of everything. I'm not 283 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.519 saying that what she's saying is true. But I'm saying it's possible that she's 284 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.240 changing aspects of the story because from the drug abuse, is remembering it differently, 285 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.400 maybe, oh mad Judge. In eleven, the same former member of 286 00:24:53.640 --> 00:25:00.319 Enrico's gang claims that Emmanuela was kidnapped because Archbishop Marcus was involved with money laundering. 287 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.160 He had been laundering money in order to fund the Solidarity movement to fight 288 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:11.240 communist rule in Poland, which was where Pope John Paul the Second was from 289 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:17.680 the bank that Archbishop Marcus was running soon collapsed in nineteen eighty two, and 290 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:22.240 it's believed that Enrico kidnapped Emmanuela to try force the Vatican into paying him back 291 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:27.720 for the money that Archbishop Marcus had lost in the laundering of money schemes that 292 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:32.400 he was committing. This is all getting very convolute. So you have one 293 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:40.119 person saying that Enrico kidnapped Emmanuela on behalf of this guy for some power move, 294 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.200 some big game plan that he's going to go ahead with. Then you 295 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:47.960 have someone saying no, So this guy laundered a bunch of money and in 296 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.920 nineteen eighty two lost it all, got caught, bank collapsed, was fucked 297 00:25:53.000 --> 00:26:00.920 and anyone that put their money into it fucked and Ego was one of those 298 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.720 people. And so then he kidnapped Emmanuela to get back at him. But 299 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:11.000 what would kidnapping Emmanuela do to get back at him exactly? It would maybe 300 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.240 open an investigation that would then lead maybe to the bank that maybe that's what 301 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.640 he was hoping for, into an investigation into what was going on behind the 302 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.400 scenes of the bank. But he doesn't want an investigation because he is also 303 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.119 a criminal. So I don't know, that's what I mean, Like, 304 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:32.960 it's all very like what. Yeah. In May two twelve, a priest 305 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:38.680 Gabrielle Amoth claimed that Emmanuela was kidnapped by the Vatican police for one of their 306 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:45.240 sex parties fucking Hell. In sixteen, a book was published about this theory, 307 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:51.640 and an old school friend of Immanuela's came forward. She remained anominous. 308 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:56.319 She claimed that shortly before her disappearance, Emmanuela had confided in her that someone 309 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.720 close to the pope had been sexually assaulting her in the gardens of the Vatican. 310 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:07.480 Oh Jesus. The same friend gave the same interview with Netflix, and 311 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.920 in December twenty two, someone who had been close to Enrico claimed that someone 312 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:17.920 from inside the Vatican had ordered the kidnapping of Emmanuela in order to cover up 313 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:22.119 a sex scandal. Police have been searching for this man to question him, 314 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.359 but they've been unsuccessful in finding him because they obviously want to know more information 315 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:32.440 about these so called sex parties and this so called sex scandal that is going 316 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:36.720 on in the Vatican. One of the sex scandals that's going on in the 317 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:41.720 Vatican. We'll not talk about that then the rest, But I like, 318 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:47.960 I would be quick to believe that one. I mean, so far out 319 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.799 of everything that I've said, that's sadly the most likely it is. It 320 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:59.079 is so like it's a possibility that the guy whichever whoever it was, that 321 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:02.799 was close to the Pope found out that she confided in a friend and then 322 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:08.720 was like you gotta go m In twenty fourteen, someone stole important documents, 323 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:15.359 important secret documents from the Vatican. This became known as the Vatti League's scandal. 324 00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:22.839 In two thousand seventeen, a journalist Emmaliano Fipaldi managed to gain access to 325 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.920 some of these missing documents. We'll not go into detail about how he got 326 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:30.519 how he managed to get some of these documents, but he did, Okay, 327 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:37.039 he did. One of these documents was signed by two archbishops, Giovanna 328 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:48.920 Battasta and Jean Louis to Jean Louis, Yeah, Jean Louis. Yeah. 329 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:53.720 It was an itemized receipt that was signed on March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety 330 00:28:53.720 --> 00:29:02.440 seven. It claimed that the Vatican had spent roughly two hundred and fifty thousand 331 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:11.720 euros on supporting Emmanuela between nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety seven. It suggests 332 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:17.880 that Emmanuela was moved to London under Vatican protection and was given her own education, 333 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:23.720 including a medical degree. The document eludes that Emmanuela died in early nineteen 334 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:30.319 ninety seven and the Vatican had her body flown back to Rome and buried somewhere 335 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:37.640 in one of the Vatican cemeteries. Right, interesting, right, And like 336 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.759 I did I remember like googling the documents and stuff it itemized, Like oh 337 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.920 my god, so it's fair and it's like signed by these archbishops and you're 338 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:53.480 like what the fuck. The Vatican and the police deny the existence of such 339 00:29:53.519 --> 00:30:00.240 a document, stating that wherever Emmaliano got his document. It's fake and was 340 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.079 faked and it's not real. However, this is not the first time this 341 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:10.359 is suggested that the Vatican had Emmanuela moved to London. On June seventeenth eleven, 342 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:15.480 an an ominous phone call to Pietro, Emmanuela's brother claimed that Emmanuela was 343 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:21.519 still alive but was being kept an immense mental institution in London. The caller 344 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.400 claimed that emmanuel was taken there because her father knew about the money laundering that 345 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.839 was happening in the Vatican Bank at the time, and that's the reason for 346 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.160 her being kidnapped, and it was to shut her father up into not saying 347 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:38.319 anything. But then in April of this year, Pietro came into the possession 348 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:45.640 of a letter written to Cardinal Paletti sent by Archbishop by the Archbishop of Canterbury, 349 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:52.039 who was George Kerry in nineteen ninety three. The letter mentioned Emmanuela and 350 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.920 it suggested that the pair should set up a meeting to discuss her further. 351 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:02.599 The letter was sent to the same address in London that the document had on 352 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:08.400 it that was like the itdem Eister seat. It had the same address Okay, 353 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:14.440 I'm believing this one more. I think. Yeah, it's also wild. 354 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.720 Over the years, people had questioned why the Vatican had never really officially 355 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:26.599 opened an investigation into Manuela's disappearance, as she was a Vatican citizen. They 356 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:32.279 claimed it was because she was technically kidnapped on Roman soil and not in Vatican. 357 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:37.160 However, a phone call between Monsignor Britanny and the chief of the Vatican 358 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:45.799 Police, Raoul Boner rally Boner, I wish it was spelled like Boner, 359 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.559 it's not. They had a phone call on October twelfth, nineteen ninety three, 360 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.839 and it's revealed that Raoul was being questioned in the disappearance of Murrella, 361 00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.920 as her mother had stated she had seen role picking up her daughter outside their 362 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:08.200 apartment on many occasions. Britanny told Roule not to say anything about the Vatican's 363 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:15.359 investigation on Emmanuela's disappearance. What to keep in secrets for? Yeah, watch 364 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.440 your hiding what you got going on there? Watch going on? On May 365 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:25.079 fourteenth to ties in and one, a priest found a bag containing a skull 366 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:30.839 in a bag of in a bag in a confessional. What what? They 367 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:36.160 found a bag with a skull in a bag, a bag in a bag. 368 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.039 It wasn't a bag in a bag. So a priest found a bag 369 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:45.920 that was containing a skull in a confessional. The skull was small in dimensions 370 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:51.119 and was missing a jaw. The public immediately jumped to the conclusion that this 371 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:57.000 is Emmanuela. However, DNA was not a match. The Orlande family made 372 00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:01.599 a statement saying they don't they don't know why everyone assumed it was Emmanuela when 373 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:06.400 there was no evidence to suggest otherwise, and that they had never believed it 374 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:09.200 was her anyway. Did they ever fegar out who it was? No, 375 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.759 not that I'm aware of. No, that's sad m So many secrets. 376 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:21.519 What the frick? Yeah, that's that's somebody's head. It's somebody's skull, 377 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:23.680 and if it's a small one, it's a child. More than likely it's 378 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:30.039 Yeah. On April sixth seven, during a Good Friday sermon, a reverend 379 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:36.319 in Rome told people attending the mass quote, don't carry your secret to the 380 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.839 grave with you. I have nothing to say. This made people think that 381 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:45.240 he was talking about Emmanuela and suggesting the Vatican were keeping secrets about it. 382 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.480 The Vatican then released a press statement quote, as far as we know, 383 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.599 there was nothing hiding, nor are their secrets in the Vatican to reveal on 384 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:59.359 the subject. To continue to assert it is completely unjustified. Also, we 385 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:04.640 were iterated yet again, all materials from the Vatican was handed over in its 386 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:10.880 time to the investigating magistrates and to police. End quote. Okay, whatever 387 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:17.719 you say, Vatican, just suggesting Vatican that may be people are suspicious of 388 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.800 you because you have a lot of scandals over the years. Yeah, you 389 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.199 kind of do. For someone that really shouldn't have scandals, you kind of 390 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:31.280 have a lot. You claim that you're all about garden stuff, but you 391 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:37.159 know, a lot of ungodly things happen, many, many, many ungodly 392 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.280 things happen. But we won't go into it too much because you know, 393 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:46.760 we'd be here all night. In October twenty eighteen, human remains were found 394 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:54.159 during the renovation of the Holy See the Holy See's Embassy. The police suspected 395 00:34:54.199 --> 00:35:00.920 that it was Emmanuela. However, on February first, two nineteen de tests 396 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.800 showed it was the remains of a Roman man who died between one hundred ninety 397 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.960 to two hundred thirty eight. Jesus and his remains were still there. M 398 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:21.039 right, but also how wrong were the police? Yeah? Okay. In 399 00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:27.960 the summer of eighteen, the Orlandi family's lawyer received an anonymous letter quote if 400 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.559 you want to find emmanuela search where the Angel looks end quote, along with 401 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:38.159 the photo of a statue of an angel in the Teutonic Cemetery in the Vatican. 402 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.880 On July tenth, nineteen, the Vatican announced they were they would be 403 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:52.199 opening two two tombs that were beside the statue of the angel. The tombs 404 00:35:52.239 --> 00:36:00.800 were supposed to contain the remains of Princess Sophie of hohenlu Waldenburg Bernstein. Oh 405 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.639 right, yeah, very good, and they were also supposed to have the 406 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:14.280 remains of Duchess Charlotte Fredericka of Meckelburg speering. Oh yeah, shin no it 407 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.840 well, no, no it well. On July nineteen nineteen, the tombs 408 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.840 were opened, and to everyone's disbelief, the remains of the princess and the 409 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:29.119 duchess were not inside. Oh my god, However, neither was the remains 410 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:34.159 of EMMANUELA. Why weren't the two women in their graves? So the Vatican 411 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:38.519 had to open an investigation into the missing remains and found them in an underground 412 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:45.920 ossary at the Teutonic College Cemetery, along with a dozen other remains. None 413 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:52.079 of those remains were ever identified to be Emmanuela. And it's not really to 414 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:59.239 my knowledge, it's not really clear as to why the remains of the princess 415 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.559 and the duchess we're there. Yeah, that's all kinds of messed up. 416 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:09.519 Yeah. On January nine, twenty three, Pope Francis ordered the reopening of 417 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:16.719 Emmanuela's case. An appointed head prosecutor Alessandro did in charge of the investigation. 418 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:25.039 Pietro gave his first official statement to the Vatican Police on April eleventh, twenty 419 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:32.280 twenty three, almost forty years after Emmanuela disappeared. Pietro believes that the Vatican 420 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.840 know what happened to his sister, and they believe, and he believes that 421 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.280 they are covering it up. I agree with him ten percent. I would 422 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:46.800 be inclined to agree with him too. I get that she was abducted in 423 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.960 Rome, she lived in the Vatican. A lot of the a lot of 424 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.920 investigation would have went on in the Vatican, So you would imagine that the 425 00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:06.079 Vatican would open some sort of investigation to help the Rome police, but they 426 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:13.840 waited almost forty years because they were hiding something, literally, And I don't 427 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:19.559 fully know on what I believe and what I don't believe from Sabrina's stories. 428 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:25.360 I mean, there's so much. There's just too much that it's motage the 429 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:36.719 waters a lot, unfortunately for the family. There was a man who came 430 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.039 forward and I can't remember the man's name, and I don't know why I 431 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:45.039 don't have his name wrote down because I'm dumb. Sometimes he came forward and 432 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:55.400 he said that he was responsible for like he helped kidnapper basically, and in 433 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:02.880 the Netflix documentary, he does the Netflix documentary with a scarf to hear and 434 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.599 like to his like covering half of his face and it's like to hide his 435 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:15.880 identity, which is a completely nut or fail, because he appeared on Italian 436 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:22.840 TV talking about the same thing, talking about how he like was somewhat responsible, 437 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:34.320 and he actually does an interview with Emmanuel's brother. Oh no, don't 438 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:40.880 like that. And the Netflix documentary I just think is so smart about it, 439 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.840 and because they let him spew his story, spew his details and they 440 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:50.199 talk about it, you know, like they interview other people about it, 441 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.960 and they like really sell this whole how it could have been him, And 442 00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:01.920 then they turn around and they hit you with it's basic all bullshit. For 443 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:08.000 some odd unknown reason, this guy is basically claiming to be somewhat responsible, 444 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:16.519 and I think he claims to be the American. Oh, and he's like, 445 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:21.119 that was me that made all those phone calls, and you know, 446 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:25.440 he's like, YadA YadA, YadA. They got him forensic people to do 447 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:34.440 voice analysis and they don't match that his voice matches one phone call. Oh 448 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:42.679 so he made one phone call, but he inserted himself into it at the 449 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:47.599 beginning. Yes, it's a bit unclear as to why. I think as 450 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:54.480 far as my knowledge goes back, they're pretty certain that he might have had 451 00:40:54.519 --> 00:41:00.880 something to do with the disappearance of Marella and like that it's a high strong 452 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.440 possibility. But he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Emmanuela. And 453 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:12.039 he knows nothing about the disappearance of Emmanuela. Some people are just fucking weird, 454 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.760 Like, even if he had nothing to do with the disappearance of Morella, 455 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.719 I don't like people just enjoys into ship for no reason whatsoever, and 456 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.599 it like it breaks my heart for the family because they obviously just want answers. 457 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:28.719 They just want to know what happened to their sister. And you have 458 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.239 dumb ass people like him being like it was me just for fame, just 459 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:37.159 for five minutes of TV time. Yeah, because they know he's not going 460 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:43.599 to get arrested because they have nothing actually too no into it no, which 461 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:52.679 is like so upsetting. Oh, it's ridiculous. So that is the case 462 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.440 of Emmanuela or Landy. I just think it's so riddled with like what the 463 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:02.239 fucks. It is very technical. There is a lot like there probably is 464 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.800 a lot more that I could have added to it, but it's so it's 465 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.440 one thing when you're watching it, it's easier to follow, but I think 466 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:13.119 when you're listening to it, it's like and when you're trying to explain it 467 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:19.679 to somebody, there's a lot of technical well I mean it's like six episodes. 468 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.519 There's something that you're trying to like condense, condense, and it's a 469 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:28.920 lot like it's it's all like like there's bit like stuff on the bank and 470 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.679 stuff, and I don't have the head for finance. I'm sorry you guys. 471 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.840 I actually tend to leave a lot out about the finance stuff when finance 472 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.840 is involved in my crimes, because not my crimes, isn't the crimes I 473 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:47.599 talk about. I don't commit crimes. I am helping and I don't do 474 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:53.400 crime. I don't do crime. I talk about crime. But yeah, 475 00:42:53.519 --> 00:43:00.039 when my case is like involve finance or like that kind of I just my 476 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:05.719 brain just as like what, yeah, And so I'm just like, Okay, 477 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:09.039 how can I talk about it? But in the most dumbest, simplest 478 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:14.440 way possible. I literally go to chat gybt for stuff like that, and 479 00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:21.239 I explain this to me like I'm five years old, literally literally, so 480 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:23.639 yeah, tell me what your thoughts. Your thoughts are you guys? Do 481 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:29.079 you think the Vatican had something to do it? I am a major conspiracy 482 00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:35.000 theorist and so like, I'm all here for the conspiracy theory about like sex 483 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:38.320 parties, and like, I believe it. I do believe that. No. 484 00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:44.079 I do think they were doing something weird to her and they needed to 485 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:49.760 cover it up. It's also so interesting to me that like she possibly was 486 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.639 moved to London and she was alive till nineteen ninety seven, and do you 487 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:58.840 know and like it's like, if that story is true, that makes me 488 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:04.239 sad for the family because they spent all that time hurting and looking for her 489 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.280 and she was alive. And well, so before we go, I'll quickly 490 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:14.159 tell you all, guys, there is a new season to the Murdo Murders. 491 00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.599 If you remember I covered them, what two episodes go, three episodes 492 00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:22.800 go? There is three more episodes added to the one on Netflix, and 493 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:30.039 it actually dives a lot deeper into the murders, okay, and it has 494 00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.880 like a lot more information, and like I'd say, it's because he was 495 00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:39.159 convicted, so the information is now more available where at the time I was 496 00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.119 researching it, and more so, at the time I was researching it, 497 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:49.679 he wasn't found guilty yet. Yes, yeah he had. He still had 498 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:57.440 to stand trial, so you know the ways they have to wait for the 499 00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.599 conviction before they can like be like this is only information we have, Yeah, 500 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:10.440 and it is whole wild. Alex murder lies like four times that his 501 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:17.519 alibi about like being in his mother's house and he is in his mother's eyes 502 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:23.840 book for like fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, and then he turns to his 503 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:29.079 like mother's career, like his mother's nurse. And he's like, and if 504 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.800 anybody like she testifies, and she's like he was like, if anybody asks, 505 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:37.239 like I was here for forty forty five minutes, Oh yeah, that'll 506 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.000 do the trick, because I'm sure you're such a nice person that people will 507 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.159 lie on a jury, will lie in court for you. We'll purge with 508 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.960 themselves for you, Alex. I'm sure. And like, God bless the 509 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:53.400 woman, like she is nervous as shit, like she is like understand, 510 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.800 Like she's like, yeah, no, like that's all said to me, 511 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:02.599 like kill me. And then in the like interview, like she's like I 512 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.320 just knew, like I wasn't gonna lie for him. Why the fun would 513 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.199 I like for him? And she was like and if I lose my job, 514 00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.320 I lose my job. Yeah there were other jobs set there, girly, 515 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:16.320 yeah, like you know, like she was like justice is a bit 516 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:23.079 more important. So yeah, like I laughed, but only because he's so 517 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:30.280 dumb. He's so dumb, like you're watching it. And so when police 518 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:35.480 arrive on scene, he's in like a T shirt with like shorts on, 519 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:46.079 you know, and he's like and then you can see on the son's phone 520 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.519 a snapchat from like seven pm, which is like two hours before they were 521 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:58.599 killed, and he's in a shirt and like he's in shorts, but like 522 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:05.000 dress shorts, like fancier shorts, like Chino shorts, right, so he's 523 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.719 in a shirt and like Chino shorts. And then yeah, and then when 524 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:15.360 police arrived, but he mentions nothing originally about being like about getting changed or 525 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.880 like, you know, because police are like tell us your your day, 526 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:27.159 yeah you know, and you're just like that, okay, okay, that's 527 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.599 not that's also not great. He asked someone to lie about where you were, 528 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:37.400 and now you're okay, cool, cool, and he like he says 529 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:44.599 that he came home at about he like came home like after the murders, 530 00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:49.360 and he got to the house and his wife and someone weren't in the house. 531 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.360 So we went up to the dog kennels because that's where they were shot. 532 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.639 And he was like that's where they were going when I was like leaving 533 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.800 the house or before I left the house. So we were when they weren't 534 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:01.760 in the I as I just assumed they were still up at the dog kennels, 535 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.719 and that's when he found their bodies. Like this is what he's saying, 536 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:10.239 and then police it takes police a while. It takes police like a 537 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:16.639 good while before they are unable to lock Paul's phone. And then when they 538 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:22.079 unlock Paul's phone, there's a video that he was sending to his friend because 539 00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.519 he was minding his friend's dog. So he was taking a video of his 540 00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:30.679 friend's dog because there's something the dog's tail or something I don't know. And 541 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:37.039 in the background, like two minutes or like four minutes before, like Paul 542 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:44.199 and Maggie were murdered, you can hear Alex murder in the background. Yeah, 543 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:51.679 he's not a clever man. And I if y'all hate murderers like I 544 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:57.920 do, I really advise you to watch the YouTube clip from the trial because 545 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.480 the trial was all aired online, so I'd say it's on YouTube somewhere. 546 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:07.800 M M. The day that this sound has played, right the day that 547 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:14.360 they arrive at court, he's walking in and he's like turning around talking to 548 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:19.880 his son, like in between you know, different things, and he saw 549 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:25.880 like I'm gonna get away with this. Yeah, and then they played the 550 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.199 clip and he sat there and they played the clip and he just goes He's 551 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:37.599 just like ah, fuck, they got me. They got me. Oh, 552 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:44.400 I forgot about that whole technology. Yeah, she's now. The man 553 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.679 is still claiming he's innocent. But yeah, leave Matt. You mean to 554 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:52.440 tell me that someone came and murdered to your wife and child two minutes before, 555 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.239 two minutes after you were there, and you heard nothing and saw nothing, 556 00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.760 and they didn't try to kill you. Yeah, strange, strange. 557 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.519 It's just such a likable guy. Like I said that, people will lie 558 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.960 for him, they'll perjure themselves, they won't kill him. Yeah, likable 559 00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:16.039 dude. And the series ends on a bit of a cliffhanger where some police, 560 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:21.480 like some like I think one or two investigators state and then like some 561 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:29.000 media state that there is a high possibility that he was not alone killer, 562 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.360 that he had help. Oh yeah, because there was two guns, right, 563 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:36.840 there was two guns. Yeah, two different guns were used. Wouldn't 564 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:44.800 surprise me. Maybe that's why the Sun is still his friend. And they 565 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.840 say it without saying it. They don't say that, but they entered it. 566 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:53.480 And Maggie's friend is interviewed a lot and in the new season, and 567 00:50:53.639 --> 00:51:00.119 they ask her like, what do you think about Alex having help? And 568 00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.400 she just turns around and is like, am I don't want to answer that 569 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.599 question because I'm scared of the answer. Like she's like I don't want to 570 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:12.559 like oh yeah, Like she's like, yeah, no, I'm not going 571 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:17.679 to answer that question. Oh my god. And to me that just speaks 572 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:24.639 volumes. Yeah, because the sun is still out there now. It said 573 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:32.280 that like when he was like found guilty, that like after court, they 574 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:36.960 you know, went into like a back room or whatever, and the sun 575 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:43.480 just like broke down and like bald and was like, fuck, like my 576 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:49.559 brother is dead, my mom's dead, my dad's going to prison. I 577 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.559 mean, if he's innocent, then yeah, my heart goes out to him. 578 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.199 But if not, I really struggled to find it. He see people, 579 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.400 I think want to think he's innocent because they liked, I think to 580 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.639 themselves, like how could he murder his own child? And how could he 581 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.920 murder his wife that he supposedly loved so much? And you know, but 582 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:15.559 you know in people mary their kids. Unfortunately, yeah they do. Yeah, 583 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.079 it's a sick world we live in. It's a sick world we live 584 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.800 in. And I think, to be honest, that the man would have 585 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:28.639 done anything to try and protect himself. Yeah, true narcissist. Supposedly, 586 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:35.000 like a couple of days before the murders, you're Paul was arrested for being 587 00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:44.039 on a boat drunk with friends with beer on the boat learning nothing? Did 588 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:51.440 you learn nothing? And so it's a it's a real case of maybe he 589 00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:55.320 was like, I'm gonna have to kill him because he's just turnishing your image. 590 00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.000 And then people are going to sniff out that I am laundering so much. 591 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:07.039 Yeah, maybe, And then joke was on him because people found out 592 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:13.559 he lodged laundered all that money. Anyway. Yeah, true, man will 593 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:15.840 never man will never get out of prison though I think he got two life 594 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:22.519 sentences good and I'm not sure with or without the possibility of parole. But 595 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:27.599 he has this other trial coming up for all of that money laundering. Oh 596 00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:31.760 he's no, he's not getting it. So he's he's he's good baths. 597 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:40.719 Yeah, he isn't there for life. The judge was like, you know, 598 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:49.280 a bit despicable what was done? Just a bit like the judge is 599 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:58.000 just like, you're nasty. It's true. And so that was just a 600 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.519 little mini update for because I watched the other the new three episodes and I 601 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:06.840 just thought i'd give you an update because more information was available than when I 602 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.440 researched it. So nice, nice, I'd like to update my research. 603 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:23.840 And it's October in a few daisy guys, blessed be So I have my 604 00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:30.440 Happy Halloween sign up because my child wanted to put it up or whatever. 605 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:36.679 Oh yeah, yeah, let's blame the child. Guys have kids. It's 606 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:43.639 great ecanism as an excuse to decorate your house for Halloween in September, I'd 607 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:49.599 do it anyway. Okay, I remember and decorating for Christmas. I think 608 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:54.639 it was in November that was pandemic. Yes, it was like the first 609 00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.719 was it the like second Christmas of the pandemic or something? It could have 610 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:04.559 been. We were all so sick of the ship that I think everyone put 611 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.119 their Christmas tree up in November, and then come Christmas we're all like, 612 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:13.480 oh my god, take this down. Every time we take a Christmas tree 613 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.880 down, it's like, oh, it feels so empty but so clean. 614 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:23.039 Literally, I hate taking it down because like the sitting rooms are cozy, 615 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:31.480 it's a whole like am But I also like taking it down because then everything's 616 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:38.239 back to normal and clean and ye rich yeah, exactly. And then one 617 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:45.079 last thing before we end today's episode, I just want to give Mike a 618 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:52.440 shout out to Mike actually noticed something really cool in our last episode. So 619 00:55:53.599 --> 00:56:00.480 Richard SPEC's stepfather, his name was Carl August Rudolph Lindbergh, and Mike thought 620 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:05.079 to himself, well, if that was my name, I would just use 621 00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:15.519 my initials. What was his name, Carol August Rudolph Lindbergh. Carol, 622 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.760 and it's his first name. I just built it in my head for a 623 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:24.960 minute. His name is Carol and his initials are curl. Isn't that fucking 624 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:31.000 deadly? That's great, it's brilliant, and I don't know how I didn't 625 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:35.000 notice it, but go, Mike, go you go, Mike. So, 626 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:42.559 if you have any spooky cases that involved ghosts or demons, or ghosts 627 00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:46.559 and demons, I love a good demon. No, I'm not saying that 628 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:52.400 out loud. Back off. Sex demon has officially left my fridge. Oh 629 00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.800 yeah, I forgot about the sex demon in your fridge. It's okay, 630 00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:00.280 she's done there. I kind of was getting used to her. 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