WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:07.160 And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:14.560 done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one 3 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:22.199 of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head 4 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:26.559 lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:32.520 I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb 6 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:37.960 of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. 7 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:46.320 And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO. They're basically 8 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:52.560 like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, 9 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.159 peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, 10 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:00.280 nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this 11 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:07.159 thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your 12 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:11.400 host Brandon right By's episode. We're gonna be joined by my guest Tina and 13 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:15.439 Alex. They are from Phantom Paranormal out of Wisconsin. It reached out to 14 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:19.280 me a while ago to come on here and share some of their experiences before 15 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.920 we bring them on. If you've ever had an experience or story you'd like 16 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:30.400 to share, please reach out to Tenfoil Tells podcast at gmail dot com we'll 17 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.359 get you scheduled for a future episode. You can also go to tenfoiltales dot 18 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:38.680 com go to the contact section. That'll get your message directed to me as 19 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.799 well. Either way work, so just do what you gotta do. 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You can also 39 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.719 reach out to me that way about booking an episode of ten Foil Tels. 40 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:58.759 But I think now we're gonna go ahead and bring Tina and Alex on. 41 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.560 I've been looking forward to talking with them. We had something scheduled prior and 42 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:07.039 had to rearrange it, but got to work out. Hope you guys know 43 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:08.680 what we're going to talk about. To sit back, relax, and enjoy 44 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:14.439 the show. I'd like to take this time and welcome my guest tonight, 45 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.240 Tina and Alex. Thanks for coming on here and talking with me. No 46 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:23.639 problem, nice to be here. You guys are from Illinois, I believe 47 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:29.360 Wisconsin. Oh it's just a little bit north. I knew it wasn't too 48 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:34.479 terribly far. I'm from Indiana, so oh you're not either. I knew 49 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:38.319 you were just on the other side of the time zone because you guys are 50 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:43.439 on Central Time and I'm on Eastern Time. But if you go a couple 51 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.599 of counties up there on Central Time, it's weird. I usually work in 52 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:51.319 Central Time. Yeah, it's a very confusing state right there in some spots. 53 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.759 Yeah, when you get up towards a northwestern part of Indiana, it 54 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:59.319 goes into Central Time. But the rest of the state, unless you're like 55 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:05.039 down south, I think, is all Eastern Time. Oh yeah, yeah. 56 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:10.520 Time zones are fun to deal with sometimes, especially when you're based out 57 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:16.120 of a different one from where you actually live. Am I where am I? 58 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.000 Yeah? Times going to get two hours early for work? Yeah, 59 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:27.600 my job sites are usually in central time zones. So I have a meeting 60 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.759 next week and they're like, you meet at eleven or a one thirty. 61 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:32.920 I was like, yeah, it's two thirty my time, but sure, 62 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:38.360 why not? Well, you got a friend over there, And at the 63 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.319 end of that when he calls me up, he's like, what time is 64 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:46.279 it there? Good behind you? Yeah, Well, a little bit of 65 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:55.600 about your guys selves. Well, we're fandom paranormal. We're two percent teams. 66 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:03.079 Uh. I'm the we investigator, the founder of it. I'm also 67 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:12.160 a medium and a paranormal investigator, obviously. I realized I was a medium 68 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:16.199 when I was about four or five years old, somewhere around there, and 69 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:23.040 I would talk to my great grandfather in a mirror. At first, I 70 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:28.240 would just feel him around. Then i'd see him, and then I could 71 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:32.160 talk to him. And I can hear, see and feel spirits around me. 72 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:39.319 I grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I moved to 73 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:49.360 Delavan, Wisconsin in nineteen ninety eight. My family has a lot of people 74 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:57.800 that are very intuitive. We don't really talk about it much in the family, 75 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:04.720 but I decided to start this fantom paranormal and just go with it. 76 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:09.240 After my mom passed away. She thought it would be a good idea for 77 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.920 me to do it, so I just ran with it when she passed away. 78 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:24.319 Basically, I just feel what's around me, investigate, and do what 79 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:28.720 I got to do to get the job done. Yeah. My name is 80 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:33.720 Alex Droner. I grew up in Delvan, Wisconsin. I just basically the 81 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:38.959 house I grew up in was had other people living there that weren't people, 82 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:43.399 so we'd hear things. My mother saw somebody standing in the hallway once, 83 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.639 my grandmother saw somebody staying in the hallway. And I've just always been drawn 84 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.040 to that kind of thing, never been afraid of it. And one day 85 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:51.439 I was reading on Facebook, you don't want to come out and do it, 86 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:55.480 come and investigate a Muslim, and I was like, heck, yeah, 87 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:59.560 So we did. This is how it started. We've investigated, you 88 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.199 know, and places since then. Sky's the limit. We'll see what happens. 89 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:11.480 We're trying to get proof. Yeah, basically we did the Madolum and 90 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:16.639 after that I just decided to ask him to be on my team and pretty 91 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:23.240 much let everybody else go and now it's just me an Alyx and he became 92 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:30.920 my business partner. Last man's standing. No, Sometimes if you're brave enough 93 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.959 to go into the rooms, you know, Yeah, if you're brave enough 94 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.319 to go in there when I tell you too, and to stay in there, 95 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:44.120 then it's all good. Has there been anything like how to try and 96 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.120 word it properly, but like anything that really stood out on some of the 97 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:56.519 investigations that really made you afraid or question what was going on? This thing 98 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.959 we got me a little nervous is one of the investigations. Tina looked at 99 00:07:59.959 --> 00:08:03.319 me and said we have to get going, and the reason was was because 100 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:09.279 she had started to overcome with the urge to want to hurt me. It's 101 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:16.319 our job is fun sometimes. I remember that vividly. So we were in 102 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.879 Indiana and we were asked to do an apartment and we're able to go into 103 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.399 the basement. When we walked into the basement, there's a certain area that 104 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.519 was calling to me. So we went in there and there just happened to 105 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:35.639 be a horseshoe hanging on the wall on like a beam. So Alex first 106 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:37.919 picked it up. He's like, I don't feel anything. I was like, 107 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.759 let me see the horse shoe. I held it in my hand, 108 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:46.559 and something just drew me to it and I started spinning it in my hand, 109 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:52.759 looking at it. Finally we stopped messing with the horseshoe, and I 110 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:54.879 just felt kind of weird, and then all of a sudden, I just 111 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:00.840 wanted to bash Alex's face in with the horseshoe. It's like, we need 112 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.480 to get out of here right now, because I know when you feel that 113 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.639 way, angry like that, and when I hurt somebody, you're being overcome 114 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:16.039 by something and the best way to get out of that situation is to go 115 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:22.799 outside, out of the place that you're in. Yeah, I've heard something 116 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.639 similar to I've actually I don't take too much stock in the stuff you see 117 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.639 on TV, but it seems like when you watch these shows or whatever and 118 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.120 they get overwhelmed with like these negative spirits or energies or whatever, and they 119 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.159 get that way, they always end up feeling better when they leave the area. 120 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.879 Yeah, because it really just clears you. It doesn't cleanse you, 121 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.039 but it really just it helps. It really does. It really helps. 122 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:58.240 I've never been in a situation where I felt anything like that. I'm not 123 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.960 much of an invest to Gator. I went on a couple of different things 124 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:07.840 with a group or two, but I've mentioned it before on other episodes. 125 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.000 Everything that was paranormal, paranormal, paranormal, and I look at things more 126 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:18.960 skeptically before I say anything's weird or paranormal or supernatural. And I just don't 127 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:24.000 think you're going to go somewhere and constantly be overwhelmed by ghost or spirits or 128 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.600 something like that, like everything to them was a ghost and I was like, 129 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.759 I just kind of rubbed me the wrong way. And I've never went 130 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.919 back on on like investigations or anything because kind of a chicken when it comes 131 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.639 to I don't want to bring stuff home with me that I didn't intend to 132 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:45.759 have with me. It's always really really good to cleanse yourself after you do 133 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:50.720 an investigation, because that way, you don't bring anything home with you. 134 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.559 So we deal with enough weird stuff around the house these days. I don't 135 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.399 want to be trying to bring anything else in here either. That's probably a 136 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:07.000 good idea too. I hear that. I totally understand. But no, 137 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.799 there's anything you guys want to share dive into. It's totally up to you, 138 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.679 guys. Where do you want to go with it? Just uh, 139 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.840 maybe that we can talk about that last place went to heard the Indian. 140 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.799 Oh, yeah, that was a good one. Do you want to start 141 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.480 with that one or should I well that one? Okay? We decided to 142 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:39.120 go to an area. What was the area again? It was just down 143 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.200 the road from where we live. It's it's indelevant, just outside of town. 144 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.879 The stories of you know, a certain amount of people dying there could 145 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.200 quite hear a certain an exact number, but it was more than like two 146 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.360 or three. And we just kind of went there one day and decided we 147 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.960 wanted to check it out. And as soon as we got out there, 148 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.320 we started walking around and Tina felt the spirits right away. Yeah, I 149 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.519 felt like right away. I was like, it's getting colder for one around 150 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.639 me. And then I could fill him instantly right when I got out of 151 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:13.240 the car, and I could feel them looking at me. It was so 152 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:18.519 weird, and I was like, they're just sitting there watching us. And 153 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.679 then all of a sudden, I told Alex, I was like, there's 154 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:28.320 one right here. So he grabbed the EMF reader and put it next to 155 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.720 me, and it showed him that there was something next to me, and 156 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.240 then he moved it away and it went away. He moved it back and 157 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:41.440 it showed that there was something next to me, and then he walked away 158 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:46.159 from me, and I was walking around in a different area, and then 159 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:52.000 I decided to walk towards him, and we're standing together and we're just standing 160 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.399 there and yeah, then all of a sudden, we're sitting there and off 161 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:01.080 of the distance, I heard what sounded like Indian drugs, and I asked 162 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.559 him, I was like, did you hear that? Because I seriously thought 163 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.360 I was, because sometimes I'm like I always ask that, I'm like, 164 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.200 did you hear that? Oh, there are certain things that I don't hear 165 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:15.399 that she does because she's more in tune with everything than I am. But 166 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.519 and then we heard him again and we got started walking. We kept walking 167 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:22.360 towards and then all of a sudden, she had this strong pool to walk 168 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.080 away from there, and so we started heading back towards the car. And 169 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:30.159 then when we got closer to the car, she started speaking with one of 170 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.159 the spirit that was there, and then I have no it just looked like 171 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.799 somebody having a conversation. It was really interesting to see. And then she 172 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.200 was talking with this guy that what do he look like again? He us 173 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:45.320 like the nineteen fifties, nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties area, Well button up 174 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.120 sir, Yeah, a little button up shirt, like one of those funky 175 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:54.960 hats they used to wear with like the suspender thing. Picture. Yeah, 176 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:58.200 Yeah, it was really weird. He came up to me and he was 177 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:03.440 talking to me about how you don't want anyone to hurt him. He just 178 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:09.919 wanted to talk and he wanted to have us come back on a full moon, 179 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:15.399 which I found kind of weird, but that's usually when the spirits are 180 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:20.000 the strongest. Yeah, this was a very interesting evening for that one. 181 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.559 Yead, we so have you had to get back over there. We're gonna 182 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.879 be back over there soon, hopefully. How long ago was this about a 183 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.039 month give or take me, maybe a month ago, so relatively recently. 184 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:37.759 Yeah, that was the one we just did. Now you said the full 185 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:43.559 moon. I've heard that before. You want to explain why the full moon 186 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:50.360 makes spirits more active? Do you have any ideas why? It's basically, 187 00:14:50.440 --> 00:15:01.320 when the spiritual world is the strongest, everything is a line and the moon 188 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:07.679 charges stuff like crystals and stuff like that. So you got to realize when 189 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:13.240 you're dealing with the spiritual world, there's all kinds of reasons why the full 190 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:20.320 moon could affect that. And of course the dogs in the neighborhood. Sorry 191 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:28.720 about that. No, you're all right. I don't hear anything. I 192 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.080 use zoom and for the most part it kind of filters out background noise with 193 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:37.799 the settings I have on, so it's all good. Okay, cool, 194 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:41.799 very cool, yeah, that's just Oh that's what it usually seems like. 195 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.840 That's they have the most power, and that's when well, you can also 196 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.840 see the most when you're out there, when you're investigating the dark and everything 197 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.039 too. So that helps, yeah, so full, it helps out us 198 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.879 too, So not just the upded you see a little bit better with an 199 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.480 extra light out there. I guess is that more worried about hurting myself and 200 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:06.159 run these investigations, like tripping over something I don't notice head pipe in the 201 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:10.879 basement that I'm working hear upstairs. People don't realize when you're using knife vision 202 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:15.519 cameras, you can't really see that far away. You're looking down and you 203 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.679 can see your feet you look for you can see only so far ahead of 204 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:26.559 you. It's it's like walking in a tunnel. It's weird for me because 205 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:32.960 I don't feel like I would be afraid of running into anything strange, like 206 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.879 like a spirit or energy or even people say demonic stuff, so that, 207 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.000 for whatever reason, that doesn't make me afraid. I'm more concerned with running 208 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.000 into things that I do know exists, like big freaking bugs and spiders and 209 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.559 stuff. Oh yeah, oh my god, I have a story about that. 210 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:55.519 So when we're in Indiana, when we decided to go in the basement, 211 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:03.399 we walk down to the basement and Alex and our friend Rusty decided to 212 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.359 walk in front of me, and I'm like, okay, and they walk 213 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:11.920 right past it. Right I look down and there's this big freaking cricket spider. 214 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.880 I about jumped out of my freaking skin. I was like, what 215 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.359 the heck is that? And they told me I about ran away like a 216 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:25.480 two year old, that that is horrifying. But the next time we went 217 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:29.359 there, because we went there again, I decided to crawl in a small 218 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.240 hole. So it doesn't really make sense, but I do it anyway. 219 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.359 Yeah, that's the other thing I wouldn't do. I'm kind of claustrophobic. 220 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.240 I don't like being in enclosed, tight little spaces or anything like that. 221 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:44.680 So that's where I tell her where I draw the line. If I feel 222 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.680 like I'm gonna get stuck, I'm not going in it. He was like, 223 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:49.240 you can go in there and I'll pull you out. I'm a big 224 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:52.559 dude, I'll grab a finger out. I'm good at that. Now. 225 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.720 For work purposes. A couple of years ago, one of the jobs that 226 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.599 I was assigned to. The people wanted me to go down in side of 227 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:07.839 this old it was a manhole for wiring and there's like lines and stuff that 228 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.240 they ran through there, and it's like drains and stuff. And I said, 229 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:11.079 I am not going in there, Like, well you need to go 230 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:14.960 in there and investigates like that is not a part of my job and I 231 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:19.880 am not doing it. I completely refuse to do it and I will not 232 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:25.079 do it. So you know where your limits are. Like, how about 233 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:34.319 we say I did but that's a not to sound like a egotistical maniac, 234 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.920 but that's below my pay grade. Like there's somewhere else can do that, 235 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:45.359 So yeah, no doubt, Like I run goes yea, Well, if 236 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.039 somebody else do that one today, I get you out that one for sure. 237 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.240 Yeah, I said, I'm the I run the jobs, I run 238 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.480 the contracts everything else, Like someone else can handle it. I don't need 239 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:57.039 to be the one doing it. Yeah, it'll be like that guy got 240 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:03.519 hired yesterday. I have him. But like I said, that's where I 241 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.599 draw my limits. When it comes to uh bugs and creepy spaces and stuff 242 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.559 like that, I'm out. I'll punch a demon in the face. I 243 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.880 don't care, but if a spider dumps on memo'll freak out, probably die. 244 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:19.200 Yeah, that's why she has me with because I just like, I 245 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.039 just like knock the spider to the ground. I don't care about them. 246 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:29.240 I literally I really do like bugs, so when I see them, I 247 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.240 freak out. I don't like running into like water heaters and stuff like that, 248 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.680 because it's usually a hole or something next to it, and I'm always 249 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.759 scared I'm going to go through a hole or stick my foot through a hole 250 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:45.440 or something like that. And you know, it can be pretty scary sometimes, 251 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.799 but you just got to watch what you're doing, and you've got to 252 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.559 make sure you got your camera pointed the way you're looking, to make sure 253 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.440 and towards the floors, you know, to make sure you know what's in 254 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.799 front of you so you don't hurt yourself. Yeah. I feel like a 255 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.680 lot of the old places that people go and investigate too, if they're not 256 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.480 well maintained, you don't ever know what's going to happen. You step on 257 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:08.599 the wrong floorboard, next thing you know, you're gonna be in the floor 258 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:17.839 underneath of you. Exactly. That's just a quick elevator, quick elevator and 259 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.400 trip to the hotel going down. That's the speed elevator with the broken leg 260 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.400 at the bottom of it. Oh man, I hope that never happens. 261 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.759 So I could carry her out, but she couldn't carry me out of it 262 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:33.240 anywhere. So we're in trouble at that point. I know, I'm just 263 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:40.720 a little McNugget. Is there anything else that really stands out about what you've 264 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:45.400 investigated that you'd like to talk about? Oh? Yeah, there was one 265 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:52.000 investigation I did a little before Alex joined me. I was doing a theater 266 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:59.160 in Delevan and I was sitting on stage, just sitting there with a buddy 267 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.039 of mine that was helped with me investigated at the time. We're just sitting 268 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:06.720 there doing EVPs. We're just talking for a moment, and we heard a 269 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.039 voice. He looked at me. I looked at him. I was like, 270 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.319 you realize we're in this theater alone, and it's a big theater, 271 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.559 big building, and we're the only two in there. We were locked in 272 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:23.839 and we decided to play the EVP recorder right away. We were listening to 273 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:29.880 it. We heard ourselves talking, we heard like metal dragging, but then 274 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:33.119 all of a sudden, we hear get out of my house. I was 275 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:37.440 like, oh my gosh, that stood out a lot to me because of 276 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:44.640 the way the voice was. It was really demonic and cruel. But we 277 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:49.279 weren't able to cleanse the theater because it's so big, and it was under 278 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:57.160 construction at the time as well, so it just when we went upstairs that 279 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:03.440 night, we were talking and walking through the area, and it used to 280 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.440 be three apartments, and they knocked down walls and they made it one big 281 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.319 area except for a couple of rooms. We went into one of the rooms 282 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:18.000 and noticed there was a bunch of really old man clocks, really grandfather clocks. 283 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:23.680 Yeah, grandfather clocks. We're just sitting there. And we walked out 284 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:29.240 of the room. And about an hour later, maybe an hour and a 285 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:33.000 half later, I was getting frustrated because all I felt was cold spots I 286 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.599 could fill him around me. I decided to say I was like, show 287 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.640 me that you're here. I was like, right now, I can tell 288 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:45.839 you're here. Show me that you're here. All of a sudden, all 289 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:51.640 the grandfather clocks go off at the same time, all of them, and 290 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:57.119 it didn't just go off for like one ding, five dings, twelve dings, 291 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:03.119 whatever. It went on for five minutes. They did not stop for 292 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:12.160 five minutes to the exact minute I walked in there. All the clocks had 293 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:18.240 different times on them. That's like that ever happens when I'm there and say 294 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:23.160 that's strange. Yeah, it really was. I have it on an EUVP 295 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:30.960 file on my computer, and every time I listen to it, I just 296 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:34.880 it just tends tingles up my spine because it's just so weird. Yeah. 297 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:40.039 I bet if there's any EVPs that you have still and you would want to 298 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:41.680 include them, you can always email them to me and I can have them 299 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:47.759 into the episode for anyone listening. Okay, I'll look through and see what 300 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:53.759 I can send you. Yeah, I cannot interweave them here within the episode 301 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.400 that way, and it gives the listeners an idea of some of the things 302 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:03.039 you've encountered and experience and captured. Okay. I don't do a whole lot 303 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.880 of editing. I might adjust some audio here and there, but when it 304 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:11.480 comes to interweaving, I am really used to messing with recording stuff because I've 305 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.119 always done music. That's the reason I have all my recording stuff anyways because 306 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:21.279 of doing band stuff, so cutting and splicing and interweaving stuff and putting stuff 307 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:22.839 in there. It literally takes me like no time. I know some people 308 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.359 spend like hours upon hours editing. I was like, I can do all 309 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:33.319 that in like ten minutes. Oh just bragging. Yeah. No, I 310 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.880 go back and listen to my earlier episodes when I was out in my garage 311 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:41.839 and the sound quality was awful just because the echoing noises and everything else. 312 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.160 But now I've got everything kind of set up a little bit better, and 313 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.880 I've got setting set up on Zoom and on my microphone and everything, so 314 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:51.599 I have ways to make things sound better. Doing this for almost a little 315 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:53.799 over a year and a half now, I've been able to get some pretty 316 00:24:53.799 --> 00:25:02.559 decent sound quality going on. I think really good on this where sometimes we've 317 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:07.960 heard I try. That's the that's my little uh quork I guess is I 318 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:14.359 want to make sure my quality sounds good and if I can sound better than 319 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:17.440 the next guy, like, well, I sound better than the next guy. 320 00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:19.640 I guess it gives me a pat on the back. That's just my 321 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:27.599 own here with us too. Yeah, it does well, not to more 322 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:33.640 the audience or anything. But uh, I've spent a decent amount of money 323 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.000 here in the last year or so just to make because I've had this microphone 324 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.640 for a long time. The microphone itself was like five hundred dollars studio mic, 325 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.960 but I bought that for band purposes. And I just spent one hundred 326 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.960 and something dollars on six foot of cable just to run by microphone courts. 327 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.440 I found the most expensive ones. They claim they're the best rate at their 328 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:56.640 goldplate. It as like, oh, so, one hundred and ten dollars 329 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.119 later, I have six feet of mic cable that I'm using. Yeah, 330 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:07.480 I've got a different little thing from my microphone input and there's just little things 331 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:10.400 I've been able to figure out that makes things sound a little bit better. 332 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:14.319 So well that works. I remember back in the day getting the expensive like 333 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:18.519 gold plated monster cables or whatever, and that's basically what these are. I 334 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:26.160 think they're they're called a magami there you go, but they're they're gold plated 335 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:32.240 and each cable is like sixty something dollars. I think, well, it's 336 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.480 like with r N two that if you use the super cheap equipment, it 337 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.559 might not pick up on something to use the better stuff. You're gonna pick 338 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:42.640 up on more things and hear more things. Yeah, the cheaper the product, 339 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:49.720 you basically buy what you can what you buy it. Yeah, especially 340 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.799 with like ev P recorders, the EMF readers, because the cheaper the EMF 341 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:59.319 reader is, you're not going to get the results you want. You want 342 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.799 to go high priced, don't. Those definitely got to pick it up and 343 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.880 yeah, yeah, because otherwise they're really not gonna show you what you want. 344 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.400 We have a cheaper one, and then we have a really high tech 345 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.359 one, and the cheaper one won't show what the high tech one will show. 346 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:22.359 Mm hmm, I think. And I don't know much about this, 347 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:27.519 But have you heard anything about radionics those type of devices or anything like that. 348 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.119 I personally haven't radionics. Oh no, not really, I don't think. 349 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.279 Okay, I can talk to you off air about it. Okay, 350 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.400 Well, we use we use all kinds of different devices. We use like 351 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:51.559 niggers and cameras, we use go pro, we use em F readers, 352 00:27:51.759 --> 00:28:00.920 EVP recorders, most in light sensors, motion uh uh, detection lights, 353 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:06.279 all the fun little stuff to pick up. The bionic yeah, bionic ear, 354 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.319 all kinds of stuff those are fun, especially when you're yeah hearing, 355 00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:17.880 and we also have an ovulus, which is a ghost dictionary. They can 356 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:22.519 choose words out of it to communicate with you. That's really cool and you 357 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:30.440 get to piece together what they're talking to you about. That's Alex's favorite one. 358 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.880 That's a lot of fun. My favorite one would have to be the 359 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:41.240 the e VP recorder or the ovulous too. That one really helps a lot. 360 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:48.000 Yeah, they're there are a lot of different things I've looked online for 361 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.039 equipment. Part of me is always wanted to go out and do it, 362 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:59.200 but at the same time, it's like what I'd said earlier is I'm afraid 363 00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:00.599 to do it in the sense of I don't know what I'm going to be 364 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.880 bringing back, and I'm not a very religious person. I'm not a very 365 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:08.319 spiritual person or anything like that. So I'm gonna go out there and probably 366 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.079 piss something off, and I don't know what it's going to do when I 367 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.559 come back home, if it's gonna follow me on to torment me. It's 368 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:22.279 the risk I take every investigation, sir. I'm kind of a smart ass. 369 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.759 I just go in there all like just inviting everything in so I could 370 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:33.559 feel everything, because if I don't, it'll block certain things out and I 371 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.559 won't be able to feel all the spirits, all the energy around me. 372 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.759 I won't be able to see everything they're trying to show me, won't be 373 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.119 able to hear everything they're trying to say. So I really have to open 374 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:52.799 myself up to the spiritual world and not be afraid of it. No, 375 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:59.519 I don't, Like I said, I've experienced some weird things. We've had 376 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:06.160 some weird thing is very very recently going on around here, and I don't 377 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.319 know. I'm not gonna come out there and say it's all paranormal or anything 378 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.160 like that, but there's been a lot of weird stuff that's happened, and 379 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:18.680 it's I don't want to keep rocking that boat that makes any sense, I 380 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.279 don't. I have enough shit going on here that I don't want to mess 381 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:29.119 with it. Yeah, there's one time I was I had a ghost tour 382 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.359 in Delevin that they want me to bring back. But I was doing a 383 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:41.000 ghost hour in Delevan. We were walking down the last part of the tour 384 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.720 and we were saying goodbye to everybody. We decided to go sit on the 385 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:51.200 steps after we talked to everybody of the library. We were sitting there and 386 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:56.599 I don't remember it, but my partner of the ghost tour list she told 387 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.359 me that I looked at her and I was like, are you having fun 388 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:07.119 yet? And my eyes were black? And she's like, nope. She 389 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.279 wouldn't even in my truck. She would not get in my truck. She 390 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.640 walked home. She's like, I speed walked home. I almost ran home. 391 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.960 I don't blame her. I would have done the same thing if your 392 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:26.279 eyes were all black. All I remember is on the way home, my 393 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.039 Bluetooth speaker that was hooked up to my iPhone, which is clear all the 394 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:36.119 time. You can hear everything. Crisp kept going so like some sort of 395 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:40.680 interference mixing in with it. Yeah, and that never happens, never ever, 396 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:48.279 ever, And it's never happened again. That's strange. I wonder if 397 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:55.680 it's like tapped into whatever energy maybe was floating around, trying to manifest itself 398 00:31:55.720 --> 00:32:00.599 into that and you're picking up the vibrations or frequency of it. Yeah, 399 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:06.480 it probably attached itself to me, was trying to communicate somehow, let me 400 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:12.079 know it was there. Now, this is a could be considered a loaded 401 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.519 question, But what do you think the paranormal site actually is. Do you 402 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.640 believe that their spirits from people? Do you believe their energies from something else? 403 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.759 Like with your investigations and everything else, What is it that you're actually 404 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:36.680 thinking you're communicating with? I can actually see spirits. Uh, It's hard 405 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:45.720 to explain. When you see your family members or people that had passed away 406 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.359 a long time ago, and you look at pictures later on and you're like, 407 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:53.400 I've seen that person, and you've never seen that person before except it 408 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.000 was a client's person. You've never seen a picture of them until after you've 409 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:08.920 seen that person. It's it's crazy. I've seen demons, I've seen go 410 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:20.440 ahead, men, I've seen orbs. I've communicated with a lot. I've 411 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:27.119 communicated with good spirits, bad spirits, demonic spirits. How can you tell 412 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.880 the difference between like a good spirit of bad spirit and like demonics? Like 413 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:36.440 you said, you sell demons. What makes them stand out different from a 414 00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:40.839 different spirit? If they show themselves, usually the way they look or the 415 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:49.039 way they morph. Some of them are shape shifters. Usually the energy that 416 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:53.960 I feel. I can usually tell the difference between if they're good or bad. 417 00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.960 I know, like with depictions from what everyone says, like angels or 418 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.480 angelic beings looked like they didn't really if you go back in biblical terms, 419 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:10.239 they didn't actually look like humans. They were like a bunch of eyeballs and 420 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.840 wings and everything like that. You actually see like the sounds what. It's 421 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:16.880 kind of wondering you said you saw demons. I don't think demons are supposed 422 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:22.639 to look like normal humans either, so I didn't know what you were actually 423 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.760 seeing, like what the shapes were, what they looked like. Well, 424 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:34.400 I've seen a man with a GoAhead, but it was like a goat with 425 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:45.360 hooves, a manator. Basically, I've seen little like creatures. I've seen 426 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:58.599 actual human looking spirits like my mom and like the the guy from the site 427 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:06.039 down the road in Delevan from the nineteen fifties. But I can usually tell 428 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.480 by the energy, and like I told Alex, when we're there, I 429 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.400 felt a really weird energy, especially when you told me that we had to 430 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:21.159 come back on a full moon. Yeah, things are strange now, the 431 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:27.039 full moon thing coming back then it seems if it's communicating with you, wants 432 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.599 you to come back in a specific time, frame or whatever. That is 433 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.280 a little strange to me. Well, we kind of figured is if it 434 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.199 was, it might have been trying to set us up possibly, and words 435 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.480 just stupid enough to fall for it. Yeah, of course it went back, 436 00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:45.920 but we're super prepared for it, so we didn't get a chance to 437 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.360 really do a good investigation. But we're looking to go back on another full 438 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.400 moon one of these days. Yeah, we're going to do it and get 439 00:35:52.400 --> 00:36:00.000 permission from the homeowners and get going on that. There's a couple other places, 440 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.920 says I want to get done. But you got to jump through hoops. 441 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.440 Every investigation, you got to jump through hoops unless people come to you. 442 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.079 Otherwise, if you want to do a place, you got to ask 443 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.039 that person. You gotta jump through all the hoops. Like when I did 444 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:20.760 the Ghost tour, I had to for every park, I had to go 445 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.079 to the parks in Wreck. For every building, I had to go to 446 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:30.320 that building owner for It's different every time, and some people don't want to 447 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:35.079 be part of it. Yeah, I think you're a little crazy sometimes, 448 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.559 or people are scared. People are scared to reach out because other people think 449 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.679 they're crazy. That is the stigma that comes with the territory of paranormal. 450 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:51.440 That's a yes. That's why I named the podcast. The reason it is, 451 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:52.880 like everyone says that you're making fun of people, was like, no, 452 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:59.800 literally tinfoil hat. People think you wear a tinfoil hat, you're crazy. 453 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:06.960 And I want to kick that stigma because this podcast branches out doesn't just 454 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.079 do paranormal, it does do conspiracy, it does do encrypted encounters. Anything 455 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:17.039 that people experiences is outside the realm of normal, and you're afraid to talk 456 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:22.599 about it because you don't want to be labeled as lunatic. Essentially, because 457 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.679 these type of topics are taboos. Still, they're not as bad as they 458 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:31.880 used to be, but a lot of people are so afraid to come forward 459 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:37.480 with it. When I talk about how I could feel things, see spirits, 460 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:42.440 see things and all that, so some people look at me like I'm 461 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:50.039 not they really do the first thing that people would think of, And not 462 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.719 to sound like a jerk or anything about it, but like when you start 463 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.280 saying you see things, it's not the first thing that I would think. 464 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.039 And I'm not going to speak for everyone else, but like, I wonder 465 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.920 if this person gets because that's the first thing that were like it's in our 466 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.519 brain and programmed to be like this person talks to spirits, they see spirits 467 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.440 while they're talking to the average person, you're just talking to yourself. So 468 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.679 they were looking at it as like, well, there's something wrong with that 469 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:20.239 person, without actually without actually thinking or taking into the fact that maybe there's 470 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:24.280 not something wrong, you're just able to do that. And I'm not trying 471 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:28.760 to discredit people that have schizophrenia, because that's obviously a real thing too, 472 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:35.599 But it makes you wonder, like back in the old times, how many 473 00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:42.440 people were diagnosed with these disorders that maybe weren't really having the disorder, maybe 474 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:50.360 they were actually being able to communicate with the other side exactly exactly. That's 475 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.599 an interesting point right there, for sure. Yeah, just like witches. 476 00:38:53.840 --> 00:39:00.239 People always tell people were witches and hungo and it could have been just normal 477 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:06.280 people, normal everyday people. Back in the old days, if you were 478 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.639 a witch, you're getting burnt, yeah, burnstic, even if you didn't 479 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.360 do anything wrong. If you were just accused of being a witch, you're 480 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.679 automatically a witch because if you denied it, you were a witch to so 481 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.719 you're kind of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Exactly 482 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.239 the same thing happened in France for the werewolf trials I believe in the sixteen 483 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.760 hundreds or the seventeen hundreds, I forget what years it was, but the 484 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.320 people were being accused of being werewolves, and if you deny being a werewolf, 485 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:36.960 you were burnt too, hung burnt would be like, I'm a werewolf, 486 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.360 don't hang and burn me. I admitted it. I admitted it. 487 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.320 Yeah, if you listen. So, if you listen to the old stories 488 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:52.199 and accounts of stuff like and you read history, it's kind of brutal. 489 00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:00.119 Oh yeah, people are rough from what they didn't understand back in the day, 490 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.800 and today we don't. We don't burn people at the stake. We 491 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:09.920 just lock them in institutions. I guess here you have the medication. Yeah, 492 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.159 laugh at it, but yeah, pump them full of medications or lock 493 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:20.360 them in an institution and then just keep them drugged up. That's that's the 494 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.920 way societies went. We went from setting people on fire to just pump them 495 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:27.960 full of drugs. I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh, but it 496 00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:32.079 kind of sounds a little it's a sad, morbid thing, and it does. 497 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.400 I'm not trying to make joke of it, but it's kind of a 498 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:38.880 dark sense of humor. I guess I have it. It's like that's I 499 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.039 know, that's why I kind of laughed. I kind of have a dark 500 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:46.159 sense of humor today. Yeah, when you do stuff like this. For 501 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:49.840 the most part, I'm pretty serious when it comes to the show, but 502 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.320 if anyone actually knows me outside of this, I'm not that serious of a 503 00:40:52.360 --> 00:41:00.079 person. I make jokes all the time, and we got you. So 504 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:07.519 it's like, sometimes topics are they're so into whatever that I don't say a 505 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:13.400 whole lot because I know people are really going through the ringer of what's coming 506 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.880 even forward to talk about this stuff, so I let them speak. But 507 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.280 then there's other times where it's like a little bit of a more lighthearted conversation. 508 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.199 I think it's good here and there, especially when it's not always Debbie 509 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.039 Downer type topics. And there's a lot of things we get into that's like 510 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.880 I don't want to tell them controversial, but like some people have some dramatic 511 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.760 experiences or whatever, and I don't want to try and be all lighthearted in 512 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:44.599 here when they're going through the shit you know, Oh yeah, yeah, 513 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.639 you don't want to make a joke at the wrong time. No, I 514 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:53.440 think I've I always make the joke myself in real life that I have great 515 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:59.000 comedic timing, so I know when to make a joke. And then there's 516 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.400 those opportunities that I know, this is a very bad time to make a 517 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.119 joke, but I'll do it anyways, and it usually never it falls pretty 518 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:08.519 flat and or it just brokes people the wrong way. I'm like, hey, 519 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:15.360 sometimes you just gotta break the monotony of the crap that's going on and 520 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.480 make a light of it. I guess yeah, if you sit there and 521 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.880 just dwell on all, if all you look for is the bad things, 522 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.559 all you're gonna find are the bad things. Yeah, got a smile and 523 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.559 crack his joke once in a while. Can't go through life completely being serious. 524 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.960 So anyone out there listening, if you think I'm the radio voice guy 525 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.880 with the seriousness and that's I might have the radio sounding voice, but it's 526 00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:50.480 a I'm pretty pretty dumb and joky. That helps. No. I say 527 00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.159 radio voice because I've been doing a couple of things here and there. People 528 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:58.760 have been giving me crap that I have such a soothing, golden soothing radio 529 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.800 voice or something like that. I was like, what, so I'm getting 530 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:10.239 sleepy one six point one little by station. There you go, now, 531 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:15.480 coming at your live What I sound like in my head? I don't actually 532 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.920 sound like when I record, so it's weird. But I actually listened back 533 00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.599 to myself, so I don't like listening to my own voice. I think 534 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:23.880 it sounds weird because it's not what I'm used to hearing. Oh You're not 535 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.559 the only one. I know. I sound so weird recorded than I do. 536 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:30.880 First couple of times I was like, that's how I sound, and 537 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.920 everyone's like yeah, But like, why didn't you tell me that? All 538 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:42.760 right? Well, is there anything else you'd like to discuss before we want 539 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.360 to wrap this one up? Because I want before we wrap it up, 540 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.599 I want everyone to be able to where they can reach you guys at and 541 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:52.719 if they have any thing for you to investigate. But I want to give 542 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:58.239 you some time here to anything else you'd like to discuss. I just got 543 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.440 to say, if if you think you have something that you can explain and 544 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.519 you want somebody to try to explain it, we can do our best to 545 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.159 help out, you know, reach out. Or if you're having problems with 546 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.320 the paranormal world and you think it's spare a normal world, or you don't 547 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:16.639 know it's the paranormal world stuff that's flying around. You're having bad five, 548 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:22.280 something's messing. We do give us a call. Email us. Our phone 549 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:28.400 numbers two six to two, three seven nine four nine eight zero. And 550 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:34.239 a lot of people do think people that have paranormal problems are crazy, but 551 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.320 we don't think you're crazy. We know you need help and that's what we're 552 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.159 here to do. We're here to help you. We'll talk about the website 553 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:47.159 too. Yeah, we've got a website on We also have a Facebook group. 554 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:57.000 Our website is ha or http whatever however you do that. Sorry, 555 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:04.760 it's been a long day. Tina jeninga dot wixsite, dot com slash Phantom 556 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:13.280 Paranormal and then my email Tina Phantom Paranormal at yahoo dot com. Like I 557 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.719 said, We're on Facebook group is Phantom Paranormal. I'm also on Facebook It's 558 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:27.960 Tina Anderson. I'm also on Instagram Phantom Paranormal. I'm also on Instagram It's 559 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:34.280 Tina Andrews or Tina Leanne five three one one whatever. Social media is and 560 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.400 links you have, you can send it to me an email and I will 561 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.400 include it all in the show notes. For anyone listening that would want to 562 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.480 reach out, they can just go into the show notes and like a link 563 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.559 and take it right to you. Perfect. Yeah, and we don't judge 564 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:55.639 anybody. We're we're here for everybody. Now, just to clarify, when 565 00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.239 you do investigations, I know some people everyone does it for free, but 566 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.719 I didn't know if that's something that I won't say everyone. I know there's 567 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.159 other people out there that they charge for their investigations. Is that something that 568 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:13.840 depending on the situation, how do you go about doing that? We went 569 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:17.480 to Oklahoma City for free. We basically haven't charged yet, but if people 570 00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.960 are willing to donate a little bit for gas money, we won't say no 571 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:25.519 to that. Yeah. Yeah, we get tips sometimes which helps a lot 572 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:30.599 with like gas money, and because we do travel out of state. We're 573 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:37.039 getting ready to go out west, so I mean, we really don't charge, 574 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.159 but some people do tip us because of what we do. We take 575 00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:44.480 our time, we get everything done throughly. If they need stuff cleansed or 576 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.559 they need to be cleansed, I do that. I get everything done. 577 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:57.360 We make sure we do everything really properly. Through all the stuff, I 578 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.800 let them know what's going on, what happened, and I let them hear 579 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:07.960 the evvs, let them see this stuff, the cameras, anything on the 580 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.880 cameras. You know. So it's a lot of work, but we do 581 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.320 it because we want to help people. We don't do it for the money. 582 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.960 Oh yeah, help people's the main thing. Make sure they can sleep 583 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.800 at night. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure anyone listening, if 584 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.960 you're interested, I do recommend you tip whoever you bring out, because again, 585 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.519 people do take their time come out and try and help other people. 586 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.280 So if you have a means of helping out, throwing some money here for 587 00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:37.320 gas, helping for their time, I know it's much appreciated by anyone that 588 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.639 comes out and does this, especially when they're doing it for free. Oh 589 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.840 hey kat, Oh yeah, it makes you feel a little bit more appreciated, 590 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:46.480 you know what I mean. It's just the thank yous help out. 591 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.400 But it's like, oh here, all cool. You know, we don't 592 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.639 have to put all our own money into this and try to help people. 593 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.320 It does it's we do it anyway, but you know, it is nice 594 00:47:54.320 --> 00:48:00.039 to be thinking like that, yeah, regardless, regardless though, it's truly 595 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:06.599 rewarding to help people get through what they're going through and to help them get 596 00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.719 rid of whatever they need to get rid of. That's kind of why I 597 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:15.960 do this podcast too, is I know what it's like not to talk about 598 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:21.119 things because again, the whole stigma of being labeled crazy. And I wanted 599 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:22.679 to give a place for people to come on here and talk about this stuff 600 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:28.400 because I never felt like I could talk about what happened with me. So 601 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.559 I want people to be able to come on here and feel safe enough to 602 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.880 share what happened with them and not be judged or ridiculed or anything like that. 603 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:42.719 And if it helps someone, it helps me. It's kind of a 604 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.440 when when I listen to other people talk about what happened to them and it 605 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:50.320 makes me feel not so crazy. And then when people come on here, 606 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.360 maybe someone else listening, they're like, oh, I experienced that too, 607 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.840 and it helps them. You know what I'm saying. Like the whole thing 608 00:48:54.880 --> 00:49:00.280 for me is almost therapeutic in a sense. Oh yeah, yeah, Sometimes 609 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.159 people believe in you and what you're going through and not just like looking at 610 00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.800 you like you're crazy. Just believe in somebody helping them get it off their 611 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.800 chest, helps out, or having them or having them feel like they're not 612 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.599 alone. Oh yeah, yeah, no, I agree with that. That's 613 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.480 like I said, That's why I wanted to do this podcast to an extent, 614 00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:24.199 was I wanted people to be able to come on here and not feel 615 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.719 like they're the only ones that have had to deal with some of the crazy 616 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.559 things that go on in the world. Oh yeah, that's a good thing. 617 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:37.199 Yeah, definitely. Well, guys, I appreciate you coming on here 618 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:42.320 tonight and talking with me again. Anyone listening, if you would like to 619 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.519 reach out to Tina and Alex or Phantom Paranormal, you can find all that 620 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:54.239 information in the show notes. But again I want to say thanks, thanks 621 00:49:54.280 --> 00:50:00.639 for having us such fun. Yeah, it's been my pleasure. But we're 622 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.760 going to go ahead now and wrap this one up. So thanks for listening, 623 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:15.599 and good night everyone. Good night. Remember the truth lies and the 624 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:20.679 stories we share, the connections we make, stay curious, stay open minded. 625 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.760 Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, 626 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:28.000 keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring. The EndNote, good 627 00:50:28.039 --> 00:51:05.119 night everyone,