Hello and welcome to another edition of the Paranormal Concept Show, exclusive to the
UK Radio Network. I'm your host, Paul Rogan. As always, we
are joined in the studio by the amazing Kerry Greenaway. Hello, Kerry,
Hello, how are you? I'm not too bad? How are you being
busy? Dragged the head backwards? Busy? No? Actually what Yeah,
I've just been focusing on Spirit Soul Island crystals. Obviously you've had some changes
in your job as well, and you know it's kind of got corried.
I can't believe it's five months. I literally can't believe it's five months.
It doesn't feel that long. But I know you're having fun, so they
say absolutely. Yeah. So what sort of rabbit hole we delving into tonight?
We're having a look at vampires. Ooh. Now this actually came off
the back of I've been watching, you know, keeping an eye on the
socials as you do, you know, you scroll through, and something came
up about were wolves and like you're supposed to shoot them with the silver bullet,
right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But why because that's what
I say, Well that's what they say, but I didn't know, and
I want you to know why so anyway, that let me down a rabbit
hole. Did you make a leap from aware wolfing head with a silver bullet
and vampires? Well then that went on too, like you know, garlic
for vampires, okay, and it's sort of like that's where it sort of
evolved. So I was looking at doing a show on like why these myths
are surrounding as but it wasn't as easy as you know, It's not like
it wasn't as easy as like tracing it back. So when the first account
was it really wasn't easy. So I then thought, so you mean it
doesn't go back to Sessim Street and can No, it goes back a bit,
and there's so much media influence as well in regards to it, and
we've you know, like and then I was thinking, we haven't actually done
a show on vampires. I know if I've spoken like I've interviewed people to
do with vampires, but I've not actually done a show research on vampires.
And I thought, oh, so anyway, hence here we are five months
later researchbsolutely. He read through it and I can't wait for this because some
of these worlds I thought that when I was doing it, I was thinking
Oh, I've got to keep him happy. He does like to he does
like it when I miss up words. And trust me, there is going
to be some messed up words in this particular Shine. Oh absolutely, I'll
read the only words that are normal in this research vampires. Okay, Kerry
take it away. So anyway, oh dear, the problem with vampires is
there's so much modern mythology. Like I say modern mythology, I mean,
like so much media influence. And this is what I mean. I mean,
I first came across a vampire when I read the and Rice books.
And then obviously we've had Twilight. Yeah, what else have we had recently?
Dracula Dead and Loving It? That was a good one. What's that
one's comedy? Will comedy swoof Dracula? Okay, as always the curve balls
people, as always the curve balls. So anyway, I just kind of
wanted to know where they were, see I always you know, you've got
to go to account Dracula, I mean, obviously, but does it is
it a Transylvanian mythology? Where does it come from? So I kind of
like had to delve a little bit really in regards to this, because where
does it where does the thought that somebody would rise from the grave to suck
your blood come from anyway? Isn't that more like I would have thought,
I mean, not going inwead of your research at the moment, because it's
down there somewhere I thought something religious. I would have thought that'd be a
religious conversation of maybe not going to church. Demons are going to come and
get you, and that's before the damon's going to take it's going to suck
you dry. Obviously, it's that. Yeah, I mean, I think
it goes back to if you think about it, back in the day.
We we're very advanced now, but back in the day they didn't have an
understanding of the body and how it works. So like with the blood diseases
as it were. Yeah, we know that there are some conditions that like
clog the blood and make it congeal and these slower and stuff like that.
So I just wonder how much of it's linked to their understanding of you know,
we're not talking abou actually about a physical vampireic form appearing and sucking the
blood from the neck. What are I think what we're talking about is like
more like a spiritual aspect of an entity coming and taking the life force,
because blood represents life force, right, it does. Absolutely, It's like
the blood even in Christianity, it's like the blood of Christ, isn't it.
It's important, it's the vitality, it's his, his essence. I
suppose you would call it. So if somebody got ill with I don't know.
Back in the day there was consumption, and there was like you know,
small parks and all of those kind of additions. If there wasn't anything
visible, but somebody had a condition, maybe they would put it down to
more an etheric suction of somebody's life, the whole blood lain and things like
that. Even like in modern medicine now they just find reinteresting ducing muggets and
leeches to draw, to draw the bad humors out of the blood. It's
drawing, isn't it. It's kind of drawing the infection or whatever it is.
And also I think part of that isn't part of that though, to
help kick start the human's natural immune system. Absolutely, so, I don't
think they were doing it with the understanding of trying to kick start the body's
immune system back in the day. Does that make sense? I think it's
so. I don't think it's based like the mythology itself. I don't feel,
in fact, I know it's not because I've done the research based in
a physical person than it is more a spiritual entity with the vampires of things.
I think it's just a mixture of mix and match of different mythologies going
down the line. It definitely evolves. But when I looked into this,
there was definitely I there's definitely links to lots of different cultures and times.
So it's not as you have to literally go back, you literally have to
go right right back, because like when I first started looking at this,
it shows that our modern description of vampires of what that was goes actually back
to Assyria, okay, and the Babylonian empires, all those good are.
But there's quite a lot when we talk about stuff like this, a lot
of a lot of our mythology and a lot of our myths and legends and
our a lot of that always goes back to the earliest known Mesopotamian civilization,
Samaria, Babylonian, do you know what I mean? Greek and Roman as
well. Yeah, no, that's this is earlier than that. Okay,
So this is going back earlier than that. And this is what I mean.
It's almost like if you look at I'm not very good at my geography,
folks. As you know, if you haven't, have you been part
of this journey for the last god knows how many years. If you look
at the region of where that's sat that actually does sit in, like Sudan,
Iran, Iraq, Palakistan, that those kind of regions, Jordan,
you know that region the Middle East. Yeah, that would have been easy
way of saying it wouldn't the Middle East kind of era. So when you
start looking at it, there's an awful lot that comes out from there.
And that, if I'm wrong, is from what I understand from Mesopotamia,
it's literally opposite Greece, and there's a whole Mediterranean scene between them, don't
get me wrong, but you know it's sort of like across the river,
across the sea. Yeah, absolutely, you can understand the trading routes would
have taken these these missing toels into Europe, and I think that would have
also gone through right lithuane Urine and then further up into the Yeah, so
you can see where it sort of evolves around that are branches through. But
that was the first that was the first creature that fitted the modern description.
Right. I mean, this is like it's such an old belief system.
I mean, like this is the problem, and how it is documented is
the other problem as well. But what they believed was right. There was
two classes of demons with vampire tendencies, will put it. They were called
the Ekimu, and that to Cuba it's too coup the god they give ha.
Well, the were the angry spirits of people who had died, right,
They were unburied, prowl in the earth, and then you could put
them to rest quite easily by burying them, right, right, Okay.
The other one was very similar to that, but they said it was the
spirit of a dead person who had been buried but forgotten. So it's very
important to honor your dad even after the dead. We see this again,
We see this across culture, even US Halloween, do you know what I
mean? Day of the Dead, it's honoring your dead. And actually if
you go, yeah, if you go more indigenous, they actually do ceremonies.
I mean, god, there's even one village. I don't know,
I can't remember what it's good. But they bring their dead out, don't
they. Yeah, yeah, they do and hang out with them still.
Yeah, so it's honoring the dead. So so the atuku is the form
of person who's died that is not being honored after they've been dead. So
they've been dead and buried. They're actually under the ground, but no one,
no one, no one, no one cares. Basically, yeah,
no one cares. So the tuko returns from the underworld and then looks for
sustenance. I suppose you would call it from its victims. Okay, basically
they drink the blood, that's the sustenance. But then sometimes it's also how
they withdraw the life force from the person as well. So it's like it's
either a physical thing by them drinking the blood or it's an etheric thing where
they're taking away your You're you're drawing off of your oric field, as they
would say, in the spirits of your field. That makes sense. Yeah,
yeah, so yeah, so that's it. That's all you researched on.
Thanks very much. Pretty right, right, there we go. So
this kind of took form, like this story is three thousand year old,
okay, main it goes back a long, long way, absolutely long,
one long way. But there were seven apparently seven spirits, and there was
an incantation. I don't actually know whether I should say the incantation, but
it's to do with vampires, so we'll do it, and let's hope I
don't raise one of these so called theos or whatever they're called. Seven are
They knowing no care? They grind the land like corn, knowing no mercy.
They rage against mankind. They spill their blood like rain, devouring their
flesh and sucking their veins. They are demons full of violence, ceaselessly devouring
blood beautiful And after someone is that, I want to get into church,
don't I? Yeah. What's interesting is the seventh the seventh spirits that that
was referring to, appears in magic spells later comes up later again in history
and it's syric spell, so we you know, Like that's why I was
like a bit like do I read this out or not? Because I don't
really want one visiting me. And anyway, I've done it now, so
it's a bit late. It's a bit busy at the moment with Christmas and
everything coming up. I think a bit lashing I need to deal with on
top of everything else. Is a Syrian spirit quite frankly. So now going
back a bit further in Gilgamish, we go back to Gilgamish, right,
it's Samrian hero Gilgamish. You know again, it's another one we go back
to. It comes up time and time again when we're researching topics. Now,
this is about the Lilu or Leliu and this reminds this starts to bring
me into more mind of you know, more modern concepts of this, like
lilis basically the same character. Well, this Lili was one of four demons
and these are class as vampires. The other three were Lalito, which is
Lilith. Okay, okay, and then you've got the ard At Lily,
which is the handmaiden, and the Urdu Lily, who was the male counterpart
of it. But these were basically visit women at night, make them pregnant.
And the LOLAIGHTI was believed to be she's very promiscuous. Is this one?
This reminds me of the succubas. Yeah, that comes at night and
sucks you out in all manners. Sorry, I've been watching Ghosts. If
anybody who missed that reference, then you need to go and watch that breakground.
So when you think about it, that's where that sort of starts to
come from. And again this was Sameria, but the Hebrews right adopted versions
of these legends, but they appeared you know, around Mesopotamia, Babylonian Hebrew.
All of these legends sort of like coagulate together and it comes through,
right, see that sort of thing going on in modern day traditions, especially
with Christmas coming up. That was like the Pagans, wasn't a pagan festival?
Well, there are pagan traits in there, it's not. It wasn't
that because the pagan festival happens on the Yuill happens on Yull, doesn't it,
which is along and took their favorite bits of it and molded it into
a new holiday. Well they did because it brought everybody under the same banner,
so exactly, which is where the Pagan's like, yeah, exactly,
that's what it is. However, there was actually a reference to a vampire
entity before they took on this mythology. Okay, right, and it goes
actually they call it a horse leach or bloodsucker, and it's a Luca Luca
Okay, so that is referenced before Lilith comes in. If that makes sense,
and it's about it's more like a goal than anything else, more than
a vampire in my you know opinion. So Lilith, Now, who was
Lilith? Because Lilith is the main theme that comes out of this when you
follow threads, Yeah, you've got ten us descriptions. But when you are
going back to actually we start to get a bit more meat on the bones
regarding this. We then start coming into the Hebrew culture, the Jewish culture,
and Lily Lilith, sorry Lilito then comes becomes Lilith, and then we
recognize her in Christianity as the first wife of Adam, as you know Adam
and Eva Adam. But she was a bit feisty for Adam. Yeah,
I can imagine little mm hmm. Come on, what is all I was
saying on that one? Everyone was thinking it anyway. Anyway, she was
not going to be subservient to Adam. She she is like, I am
equal to you. And Adam went and basically complained to God. And there
are two versions of this. Basically Adam complained to God and then cast out
Lilith, and there are other stories where she actually said ju I'm off mate,
and then she basically went and had sex with lots of demons and had
lots of demon babies, and that's what the Hebrews follow. So Lilith is
like a super nasty, nasty girl and then basically to sustain herself, she
would suck the blood of the infants, and sometimes she's portrayed as the owl.
Okay, so she comes up in mythologies and how there's a possibility it's
to do with lilith Ah. So that's where Lilith comes in. The interesting
thing I just want to when I on a completely different subject, I was
looking at Lilis and she's linked also to the serpent in the Garden of Eden
who tempted Eve into biting into the apple the knowledge that download that old Eve
decided to get and then got. Adam has not got a very big wrap
in regards to women, has he. The first funny pigs is like a
ball breaker, right, and he's like, I'm not happy with that because
you know, and then her long comes Eve all like flower power and a
lot more subservient to his needs of his primacy. It eats an apple that
she's been told specifically not to do. Oh dear, hilarious, Well it
doesn't actually specify in the Bible that it wasn't apple. I know we're going
with apple though, but it was more likely to be a fig. Whatever
she ate, she wasn't supposed to. That's where we're going with that.
So anyway, in the Middle Eastern vampire creatures that actually link more to a
European Yeah, it was that the gateway basically of how it got into that.
There is evidence that Greece had a massive infusion of their legends that you
know, the mythologies around them, and that actually came from the Mesopotamian era
and influences that they had. Okay, so when we get to like when
we come into like the first millennial BC, it literally has a bit of
that explosion that comes in. Now, the Greeks then decided to take this,
this legend of this vampire demon of Lolito Lilith. They changed her name
to Lamia, and this had because the Greeks used to like mixing, didn't
they a bit like the Egyptians. She had a face and upper body of
a woman and the tail of a serpent, which when you think about it,
think of aducer. Yeah, that kind of feeling. Obviously, we've
got to love it right. She disguised themselves as human women, and along
the way they devoured children and such life force from him. I think it
was just one huge cover up. To be fair, all these people died
of bloodsucking creatures. Yeah, a demon this spread in, this spread across
the land and hip for ours, lusty old France. We're a lammia named
Melusine magically until concealed, even her blue and white serpents. Tal married a
French nobleman and repurposed as a water fairy. And that's actually another part of
like how colorful European legends. Oh, it's a little bit crazy how things
change. But it's like Chinese whispers, isn't it. But the French took
her on as well. I was like, yea, hey, it's almost
like playing past a parcel with a story, isn't it. It really is?
It really is that everybody putting their own twist on it to fit the
Romantis, and then they passed it to France. I know. But then
we go into Romania. Now we're starting to get more into the vampire that
we know and love. Right, We're starting to think, oh yeah,
right, we're great. We're now coming into that kind of landscape. Obviously,
you've got Transylvania, and that's where Countdracula came. And actually, say,
one of the most iconic viewpoints of that is Bella Lagasy's nineteen thirty one
movie version of Count Dracula Lagossi. Sorry, Bella Lagossi. Wasn't there one
Nosferrati, there was, but this is the one that's referenced just that bought
the Transylvania Lincoln more. Right, So they say that their Dracula or their
vampire is obviously flat the Impaler. Yeah, Now he was the one sort
of goes so as the original Dracula. The reason for this was he it's
never ever been suggested he drank blood as in the physical act of blood.
He was blood thirsty, as in he was terrific. Yeah, I mean
any of his any means we would like cut our heads off and put them
on pikes. Well, he actually impaled twenty thousand people in one go.
Yeah, for the Turkish soldiers. Those were But Romania has actually absorbed the
traditions from Greece. Okay, right, So huh so when you follow it
through, you can see how it's kind of like spreading out. So they
actually have the Greek influence, the Greek influence, have Mesopotamian influence off that.
Branching off of that, you've also got a Hebrew influence coming through.
So we're covering quite a lot of like cultures, traditions, and mythologies surrounding
the vampire law in different forms, but ultimately they're all sort of being classed
as the same kind of ender tea. Then we come into Rome, the
Roman Empire. This is where Sturgoy comes from. Vampires are often known as
sturgoys, right, Yeah, Now this is actually derived from stricks, which
is the word for owl, So we've got a lilith link in there too.
Yeah, it's just going back, going back into that mythology. And
this is where Dracula being able to get around quite easily, shall we say
it comes from the shape shifting from like human to bird or human to form
is where this comes from. I mean, not an alb Yeah, but
that's a nocturnal so it makes more sense because he only comes back at night,
because we've told everybody that he can't come out in the day. And
although owls are like night ours as well, we're not going to link it
to that because they're not as scary, and they're only singular, and it's
much more great immedia to have a flock of bats rather than just a single
solitary, little tiny bat. Yeah, unless you're in a mocking scenario of
the vampire where sometimes you see these spoof movies and there's only one bat that's
like flapping around after it's transformed into the bat. But this is where the
shape shifting comes in from the Roman Empire. That's their influence on all of
this basically, And in the British Museum they've got an image of Lilith as
like, yeah, yeah they do. I mean this is the thing.
I mean, whatever way you want to look at it, you have got
this empiric scenario vampire entity being overlaid with the shape turned bed fly thing because
back to mammals. But then that would make sense as well, because mammals
are human, so if you're going to change, you could change form into
another mammal, but you wouldn't necessarily change anyway. Even Marley's agreeing with that
one. Ye. See, Marley's still with me. He's going, what
are you doing? It's dinner time, I'm hungry. He's probably where he's
going forgot to feed the dogs before it started the show. Anyway, we'll
have a bit locker love our fami, mate. So this is where this
comes from, right, and again we can I'm into this, even Pliny
the Elder. We've got to love a bit of Pliny. Right, I've
ever been before exactly this is all to do with all of this where it's
all around there. Then we go into Hungary for example, Turks and hungry.
Now this goes back to the twelfth century, okay, and they say
a demon called it is Caucus. It's Caucus. Yeah, it's a blood
drinker and that's the oh God, lots of experts have gathered all of this
information. And he says, basically that has the word has its roots in
Turkish. The Hungarians encountered them in the eighth century, and then that's where
this vampire law then comes into Turkey and that goes back basically to Syria.
So it all basically is going back to the same sort of place now.
But I kind of got a bit bored with all that, Okay, So
I thought I want to hear some good legends. I want legends. I
don't want to History is all very interesting, but it's very complicated, and
everybody sort of nicked everybody else's ideas on this. Really, I think is
the is the vibe on this one. So I thought, well, you
know, let's go back to where it really comes from in regards to us,
because we would have learned these vampire like stories more from the bullcane this
area like Czechoslovakia, Slovakia, Poland Russia, those kind of places, because
they were trading with them, our good old Lakey. That's right, Yeah,
I were. This is quite modern, though, you'd be surprised at
how much there's so much modern vampire is some things going on out there.
Nothing surprises me about this world at the moment. Vampire clubs you can go
to, Yeah, there are real people that actually believe they are vampires and
they will drink blood and yeah, yeah, I really don't know. I
really don't know about these people. There must be so many health implications for
it. No DoD they do a screaming. Oh yeah, that's what I
mean. I think, you know, they quite try to be as quite
safe as they can, but it just it battles me while they would want
to do that, I don't know, but that's because we haven't got those
tendencies. Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you've got the tendency,
you've got the tendency, don't you, Indians, whether or not you want
to go through with it. Nowadays, we have the option to live whatever
lifestyle we want. Yeah, absolutely, whatever way we want, I sup.
I mean, Twilight's got a lot to do with it. I think
these days. I don't know where some of the influences come from, to
be fair, but I mean everybody has their choice, and some people want
to live as vampires. Absolutely their choice, absolutely on this one, right,
Okay. So I had a little look and I found Sava Savanovic.
Okay, how is that? This is through the nineteenth century, right,
and it's quite short and sweet really. He basically lived on an old water
mill on the rock Gotsis the river and killedn bring the blood of local mill
workers. Okay. Interesting he's referred to as Zavanovic is actually referred to as
the first official vampire in Serbia. Okay, So I just when they're back
on the other light three thousand years and just gone with that as the first
official It's probably been a lot of unofficials. Let's have a look at this
is seventeen twenty five. Okay, So this is in the village of kiss
ill Jevel and this was a common village, lad okay, and he basically
died. He just died, no real reason, no big accident, He
just pegged it. But then his death was followed by nine deaths in the
next eight days. Strange. I love this because it says the victims allegedly
claimed on their deathbed that Blagodavic bit them by the throat. Okay, okay,
and his wife also claimed that he visited her and basically asked for his
shoes. Didn't want her blood, though, did he No, no,
no, he just wanted his shoes. Dug up the corpse to have a
look for signs of like basically vampiresm Now, the signs they were looking for
were like growing hair, beard and nails. But we know that the body
continues to grow hair nails after you die. I don't know how long that
goes on for though, no, I don't think it's too long. But
that's what they're looking for. I mean, these are the signs they're looking
for. So they they basically ask one of the local administrations to be present
and a priest, so they exhumed the body and they were right. The
body wasn't decomposed at all, and the hair, nails and the new skin
were fully grown. So they said, right, he's definitely a vampire.
He's even got blood around his mouth. But the blood around his mouth,
I mean when they say blood around his mouth, was it just the color
because it doesn't that it could be congealed, couldn't It could be you don't
know, we don't know. So anyway, basically they decided to stab him
in the heart and burn him instead. The body. This is now,
this was actually put published in a report. I'm not going to repeat the
word because I can't. And basically that's how that story spread through Europe because
it was actually put into a publication. Yeah. Yeah, picked up our
people and they're transferred over. So another one was Cravave Colleen law yep,
okay, so uh, this guy earned his nickname for visiting basically the cheapest
pubs and then basically would drink the leftovers. It's really skin, really super
skin. Yeah. Now, he once mistaken a glass of red wine as
being an abandoned one. Very doubtful if if it was a full glass of
wine, So he just tried to nick it. Basically, I would say
he was confronted and basically he was said, you've got to buy me a
new drink, and he had no money. So the stranger got angry and
stabbed him to death, and they say he bit him on his forearm as
well. Now, dopper Jack was cremated, so he was burnt and his
ashes were spread on the common meadow. Right. Now, there's another story
to this where his ashes were actually placed in a common grave with paupers.
So is either one because they did have some things called Potter's fields where they
would put ashes of people that didn't have any money. Basically paupersfield, potters
field, that's where that comes from. So they then said that he woke
up as a vampire. How how his ashes he got burnt? Remember,
yeah, but they're saying that Pinocchio style with things. The original Thunderbird.
Well, the ashes resurrected somehow, and they said it was because he was
infected by this other the person who murdered him, who bit him. He
was infected then, Oh, but he was too shy. He wouldn't attack
people. He was actually kind and mild mannered, and he was really shy.
So he didn't. He just made them trip and fall and when they
cut their knee he would just lick the blood from the wound instead. Nice.
Well, I mean saliva has got an agent mm hmmm. So I
can understand that. But this story contributed to their vampire craze in the eighteenth
century that hit like England, France and Germany. So stories like this were
hitting and then the vampire craze kind of like it helped kickstart. Isn't it
funny how a story, a legend and mythology can It's literally like ignite of
crazed about it. Really. Yeah, happens all the time seeing news and
the made up news on socials, especially when people go like you get reports
from America and things like that, where our so and so has died this
week he was in a car crash and we all know that. He's like,
all well and good. Oh god, yeah, I think it's The
Internet is a weird and wonderful place, is all I can say that one.
Well, that wonderful, but weird. Definitely the weird world that they
released on the public. Absolutely, here's a forum. Post what you want,
and then don't post what you want because you upset people. Yet some
people can. It's weird anyway. Let's have a look at a Serbian kind
of a tail. Now. This is Arnold pa pavily A seventeen twenty six.
Again this era, and this is again another one of those which they
think initiated the vampire pandemic and epidemic. Should I say? He moved to
the northern region of kosov Art and basically complained daily about issues with vampires.
To defend himself, he ate soil and smutched himself in blood. But it
didn't save him from well, no, maybe it did. Maybe that's what
we should be doing, because he survived vampire and aks. But then he
broke his neck in a fall that he had so yeah, but Padley was
allegedly killed around sixteen people in and around the village of Veja. Okay,
we're not a bit of a murdersprey. Yeah, a serial killer I would
go with more than vampire. Yeah, I think so it is where I'd
go with that. Yeah, yeah, definitely you say that. But the
Australian or sorry Australian Austrian tri Austrian because we know we're in Australia. Yeah,
and the doctors did confirm his vampirism. But I think that's because they
didn't really understand what was going on. But then what do they class as
vampiresm psuching blood? That's really is it? Well, whilst rolled around in
soil smells lovely, dua grando? How can I this is in Croatia and
again seventeenth eighteenth century. Now this Zur Grandeur was a villager from Istria against
sixteenth sixteenth, seventeenth century, and he was described as a sturgo vampire right
And basically it was only until the eighteenth century the term vampire came in,
so these were all have been classed as one of the other kind of spirits
before then. But Dur Grandeur terrorized the village for sixteen years after his death.
Apparently he would rise from his grave at night, not on villager's doors,
and a few days later someone would die. Okay, now they tried
to Basically, they dug him up as they always do and try to remurder
him. But they tried using a hawthorn stick, not stake through the heart,
and so that's what they went wrong. Well, I think that's what
they were trying to do, is steak him through the heart, but it
was a hawthorn stick. Okay, well apparently not in this case. Okay,
So I had to look into it, and I wondered why a hawthorn
stick wouldn't do it, right, And there is a link between the hawthorn
and death and corpses because of the smell of hawthorn. Now barely mind be
going back in time, so the do you know, the smell would have
been probably very similar to the stench. It can be a bit pongy,
in, a bit decay a smell hawthorn. So because he's already dead,
I was wondering if it was because he was already dead, it wouldn't have
any effect on him. So you've got a tree that's linked with death and
corpses. He's dead and a corpse, so it's not going to have any
effect. Yeah, I can understand that logic. So if they'd used a
different stick, they may well have succeeded, shall we say, But basically
they stopped him with exorcis and prayers and decapitation just to finish him off for
good. Yeah, I think maybe if they started with a decapitation, she
might they might have got it. You never know, we know now not
really, So I can't go much further without talking about Prague and why what's
happening to Prague? Well, first of all, it is the most Gothic
place, Like if you think of vampires and you look at like the architectural
influences, Prague is kind of like up there, right, it's like one
of the most Gothic cities in Europe. It does. Have you been there?
I've seen pictures. Yeah, I was going to say, he was
talking like you've been there, but prug is on my list. I will
say that I do want to go to Prague. So it's got a huge
vampire mythology, a huge vampire mythology. Why do you want to go there?
I know, But just the Gothic architecture, I just think I'd love
it, right, and in nineteen nineties, right, They've got a lot
of really old graveyards in Prague, I can imagine. And there's a tenth
there's one that dates back to the tenth century and it's Lseny Cemetery. Okay,
now that they say was used solely for marrying vampires. Brilliant Now in
the Olseny Cemetery, which is what this is, it's it goes back to
what we said about the knee Licka guy earlier him because that's where he's supposed
to haunt. Fantastic, we need to go this cemetery. I know it
sounds amazing concept of road trip. I think to Prague that would be amazing,
that would be good. So you know, when you go there,
it is literally just like you could imagine vampires walking down the street with their
cloaks and their long just turn up and there's just billions and dragons walking around
it would it would you laugh if there probably is a vampire convention or something
that happens in Prague. There must be, yeah, I would have thought
so. I mean because they even do it over in the UK. I
Whipby, Yes, we do there. Yeah, yeah, a lot of
the Victorian steampunk vibe goes on. Now I've been to Whitby, so I
yeah, not Prague. Why into Whitney just as good. Now we're going
over right, So what they're saying is because of this explosion in architecture,
it's very bohemian. So they're saying that this bohemian vibe carries through. So
we're now going to the town of Libava and basically they have a recorded vampire
tale from the twelve fifties. Now, this particular vampire was supposed to be
a leading citizen of Libalva who had died. He says that they hired.
Now this was interesting, Vampire Hunters. This is the first sort of initial
kind of like in Nord to a vampire hunter. So they hired one from
Hungary to rid the town of the vampire. And what he did was he
lured him too the bell tower because he stole his stuff, I will say
that, and basically hit the vampire with a shovel that resulted in decapitation.
Ooh, you certainly say about the vampire. I was actually watching an episode
of one of these shows, the Pawnbrokers, and some bought in a vampire
hummer kit. Yeah, they're amazing. They were. Actually they the paperwork
with it, actually went and connected it to Bran Stoker. No, yeah,
obviously they bought it for a lads of money, but yeah, it
was really really nice, really nice set. It was right now, Vampire
Hunters, I had to have a little look into this one because basically is
it a Hugh Jackman kind of vampire hunter with his coat flapping around killing vampires
with sexy little beasts popping up here and there and everywhere. No, this
is actually a kind of shaman So this is going into shamanic kind of magic.
Now they say his body, his spirit can wander from the body.
So he goes off into the etherics, basically in the form of an animal.
So he's called a Chrisnick. Chrisnik. He turned into an animal.
Ae't night to fight off the Kodiak, No could, like, which are
the vampire side? So you've always got like this battle that goes on on
the etherics. So they say that he is he's either voluntary doing it or
a higher power is allowing his book, so a spirit to leave his body.
This is very much like working on the astrals. Quite frankly, when
I read, am I a vampire? Hunt them? Because I hunt on
the astrals, But I don't hunt to kill. No, you don't have
a vampires either. But it's very much like good versus evil, ying yang
and all that sort of stuff. So it's just another mythology involving that,
isn't it. Really? Yeah, Because at the end of the day,
right, if you've got like we're talking again, it comes back to spirituality
because we talk about, like you said, yin and yang balance between light
and dark. You can't have light with dark. So if you've got a
dark entity, an evil entity, which a vampire would be classed as that
because his sucking life force off of a human, even in the even in
like a spiritual way of doing it, then you're going to have to fight
it on that plane. So you would have a tool to utilize that.
So if you are trained in like shamanism or magic or those kinds of things,
then you would be able to keep be given the ability to walk in
the light in that way and actually defeat the darkness. So it doesn't surprise
me that all of a sudden we now get in a light counterpart like as
it were. It's still got these religious connotations to it though. Well,
when it all goes back down to a good bad light dark, do you
know what I mean? It goes back to the opposite. And this is
basically what it means. And so this became really interesting because it does incorporate
the form of this is where vampire hunter history comes from, or law comes
from, and why we get vampire hunter law because there is an entity or
there is a human that can separate their body from their spirit and fight on
the etherics, fight these entities on the etherics, and that becomes really interesting,
Yeah, because I mean, in a lot of media driven stories about
the vampire, it's not etherics. It's more physical. It's on the earth
plane, as it were. So you've got the whole Velvet van helsing character
that's been given the task from the Vatican to go and kill Dracula. And
yeah, so you've got the physical or the place of the spiritual exactly.
So what's happened is it's basically been absorbed and been personified. These mythologies have
been absorbed and personified. But on top of that, you have got physical
accounts, shall we say, popping up in regards to this as well.
So you have got like sort of things playing out in the physical that are
mimicking what the belief system is behind these mythologies. With the accounts we've been
reading out with these are people, These aren't. These are stories that have
grown up around things that have actually happened. Do you know what people that
have whether there are serial killers, whether there are vampires, probably not.
The chances are they've just been labeled that because they're fitting the remit. Absolutely,
so let's have a look at a block, right. So miss Lata
was local herdsman who had risen from his grave. He basically molested and murdered
his villagers. He'd wandered down the street yield the name of his acquaintances,
and then apparently as he called these names, these people would allegedly die.
And so basically everyone became a bit fearful of the creature in the night that
came along the road shouting names, and then they died. So basically what
they did was they exit again the exhumation of the body, and they grabbed
a slaughter and pounded a steak into his heart. But on this occasion it
didn't stop the vampire. He returned and basically was mocking the village. He
would like laugh at them, frighten them, laugh at them, and this
was like a new level of fear. You're not just going to die,
but he's going to laugh in your face. Yeah, it's half the fun.
There's no fun if you're not going to have an enjoyable time doing it.
He even apparently said he was thankful to them because they provided him with
a stick to chase the dogs away. My chair I've got my stick now.
Basically, they then stuck his body with white thorn steaks and burned him
at the stake, basically burned him to ash. Cool. But these are
very very they're all very very similar. Yeah, they are all very very
similar. Man dies or person dies mostly men. Got to say it,
men, sorry, but all masculines die. Horrific. Yeah, you're lot
vampires. We are like witches. No comment, no comment at all.
So yeah, so, and this is what the thing is, isn't it.
It's all you know, person dies. What happens next is scary.
People are dying, Legends are popping up. Why is this happening? And
oh, it must be that person who died. Let's dig them up and
shove a steak through their heart, decapitate them and then burn them, and
all of a sudden, the problem stops. Some thing's going on. But
what's going on is the question? No one knows. Let's have a look
at another one, and the nlapsy. He doesn't just feed on human blood.
He feeds on livestock blood too. Okay, great, and then if
it doesn't like your blood, it just stares at you. Okay, well
you say that, but you die because he stared at you. Because he
kills a lot of people just by staring at them. Okay, maybe this
is what's mut Who knows, so apparently this an elapse. Climb up into
the church tower, I look down on the citizens and just like murder them
with a glance. I mean, like swaths of people. I've got almost
like War of the World's death being kind of scenario. Maybe it's just like
a real life version of it, wink murder or whatever they used to play
at schools that you see in a circle facing all the other kids and there's
one in the middle, and he's the one in the middle of go catch
the murderer, and the murderer winks at someone and whoever they wink wink dies.
I don't know. I've never played that game. Okay, yeah,
we played it, wink Murder. It was called in the middle. We
just had to guess who the murderer was. Okay, before everyone was dead,
like all these people, right, So to prevent the dead person turning
it into an elapses was possible by basically placing coins. Think about you'd give
a coin on the tongue to give to the ferrymen from Greek mythology enchanted herbs
and Christian symbols into the coffin, or pulling or pouring even millet to seed
into the corpse's mouth nose and along the graveyard. Pas. Okay, I
suppose that's what will he comes up again, you know, the birds attacking.
No, it's because apparently you can confuse a vampire by mixing seeds with
like rice or something like that. Yeah, And apparently that confuses him because
he has to count them and separate them because he's got a bit of oo
CD going on. So I assume that's where it comes from. I don't
know about millet seed having any special significance. That could be completely wrong on
that one. About half our time wise, But then you don't see like
in the episodes of Scooby Do when they're running for the vampires d rice and
sees them and then stops going we'll counting. No, but the difference of
Scooby Doo. Scooby Doo was all about a human being the spirits, never
a ghost. It's always human. Spoiler alert everybody, Scooby Doo, are
you kidding me anyway? On that? That's why they called count because I
have to count everything maybe maybe, but anyway, and that we've come to
the end of the first half. Wow, it's gone really quickly on the
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Paranormal UK Radio Network. Ah dear, we're looking at vampires tonight. So
we got to the point where we decided the Scoopy two always is looking for
the human victim and not spiritual this because this is crosses into spiritualism and spirit
and ethers and battles on the ether. Really having a problem with this,
isn't you a little bit? Not? My fault is history of folklore mate,
So let's go to the Jesse. The Jesse. Yeah, this is
Polish folklore. They believed that certain people were destined to become the Jesses from
birth, and it was possible to prevent a newborn from becoming of a Jesse
by removing and drying the call from the head and then basically refeeding it back
to the person on their seventh birthday. Now, the reason they it wasn't
like every single child. It was infants that had something called a call of
birth. Okay, So what is a call? Though? The call is
basically in the womb. The baby is in a sack and neotic sack.
Yeah, and that breaks, and that's what is you then give birth,
right Okay. Certain births don't have the breaking of the amniotic sack, so
they get born within the sack, right okay. So back in the olden
days, not nowadays, this is a bit by the bye. But back
in the olden days, anybody born within the amniotic sack where known as it
was a call birth, right, okay, otherwise known as a veil.
Sometimes it's just sometimes the the mythology is it's just the part of the amniotic
sack across the face. Others it's the full sack, right, And so
the Polish believed that these call birth children were destined to become the Vejesse vampire.
Right, okay, yeah your tail. Yeah. So what they would
do is they would dry the call and then feed it back to that person
on their seventh birthday, which was supposed to prevent the vampire. Nice possibility,
offer cake, I know, right, it's a bit like eating the
placenta. It's all a bit more. I actually my cousin actually wanted to
do that. I can't remember. He's having the baby though, and she
said, oh, yeah, I want to try some. When she see
it, she's like, no, maybe not. It is supposed that there's
a huge pathology regarding like obviously birth and you know, like varying tales about
the placenta. If you eat, it's supposed to be good for the mother
because she's really reabsorbing the nutrients that she's given to the baby, those kind
of things. It is supposed to be very very healthy to eat. But
I did take a look into call birth a little bit more because I know
that there's a huge superstitious mythology surrounding call birth in their own right. Now,
Medieval Britain. See, the thing is that as we've got more modern
in our medicine, call births are quite common now because in a caesarean,
Yeah yeah, that's right. Wellas this is a natural birth in this form,
not from cesarean, so you can't care if you've had a cesarean.
You're not a call baby, all right. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to burst
your bubbles on that. You're cool, but you're not that cool now.
Midwives in the Middle Medieval Britain always sort of sorry as a good omen and
was always said to be blessed and ready for greatness, okay, And the
call itself was highly prized, not for the child, nothing to do with
the child, but it was highly priced because it was contain these qualities,
which is actually what you want, right, You want good blessings, You
want like you know, desire for greatness. You want this, don't you.
Women just wanted the baby out, probably, but the men were like,
hey, let's have the call because that's good luck. Men were all
down a pub because the possession of the call was supposed to bestow good fortune,
okay, right, so they were dry and sell it basically and actually,
to be fair, if you've just had a baby. In medieval Britain,
you want to earn a bit of money, keep the call, do
it, sell it for loads of money. Great, you've got good fortune
out that call, and the person things he has right, so go with
that. Worth lots more money. If our banks would come along and draw
all over it, that would be even better. Designer one. It was
also it was supposed to protect the individual from drowning. Okay, yeah,
I can understand that because as it's a sack full of fluid and the baby
safe, So yeah, I can understand that logic too. So it was
really really popular with sailors. Bit it was, and if they didn't know
you ever carry it around on a necklace or something. It's a bit unwieldy
to be carrying around on a necklace. The needs to make book covers out
of them, like the Bible, so some older Bibles will have this call
covering. In Scotland and Scandinavia that a caller baby or the call bearer is
supposed to have been attributed with psychic powers. Oh even in like the and
monks like Tibetan Buddhists, they seek out call bearers because they think that their
future Dala lammas. Yeah. In Egypt, a call baby is considered to
be a mystic cool and basically the Homong people believe that the callbearers are reincarnated
monarchs and that the sack is actually part of their past attire. Okay,
makes sense, I suppose, yep. I know. However, in Eastern
Europe, as we've just heard about Poland, they think a call child will
become a vampire, which is why they then feed it to them on the
seventh birthday. Rah rah. Yeah and you right, So if you nailed
the call to your front door, all these monsters and stuff with bypassy so
it protects you from other bad spirits like wear warves. Yeah, I should
imagine the doors covered in flies and all sorts by then. So yeah,
they just totally missed the door completely. No, it's right, it's one
in eighty thousand, okay, in eighty thousand. Yeah, but yeah,
really really a big mythology surrounding call bearing. It hilarious, interesting, it
is fascinating. Yeah, basically now for Jesski, but going back to the
vampire spirit that they tried to prevent the call baby from becoming if you did,
unfortunately, become a Vjeski. Then they would know this because you would
refuse to take the sacrament, you know, like just before you die.
Yeah, they go, no, I don't want to sacrament. That means
you're of a Jeski. Yeah, right. So the other thing would be
about where the blood sits after you die, so bright red color on the
nails and the face and on the cheeks and on the lips would also mean
that you would be a v Jeski. I want to know how the time
span is on that. But they said after burial at midnight, the Vajeski
we return to life basically eat itself beautiful and then go home and eat his
family and friends. So that could be why they have awake because there's like
protection in numbers. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward a bit in
the research as well about how to protect yourself from the attack. And it
says something there about putting soil in the coffin. Maybe that's why we were
someone gets buried, they put they throw the soil in as dirt to dirt
or dust to dust, and then they throw a handful on top of the
coffin. Whereas that's actually in Poland area you've got to do it inside the
coffin. But we had open coffins for a long long time, yeah,
didn't we? And I don't know if that's something that was put again.
The death thing, the birth and the death thing is fascinating, the rituals
that build up around these kind of things and get lost in the mists of
time. What you know, what did they used to do? What do
we do now? And why has that changed? You know, a lot
of superstitions have died out, but they want to They say, put a
crucifix under the corpse's tongue as well, whereas like a lot of people put
a coin there so they'd have money to pay the ferryman. So I think
this depends on your belief system as the dishes that come up. I mean,
I never really heard the one about putting it under the tongue. I
always saw it was the eyes, putting two coins on the eyes. Yeah,
either it's yeah, it's just as you said so differently, it was
only because the eyes pop open, so the weight of the coin holds the
eyes shut. That sounds perfect for me. What coins on the eyes?
Yeah, I'll stick with that four or five pound coins each. He wants
to travel the sticks in style first class, a net inside the coffin.
And also another thing we've seen again come up is basically face down in the
coffin. And when they buried certain nefarious characters they would like alleged witches,
was always upside down, stood upright at a crossroads with you know, face
down in the coffee. Many different variations. You're not going to be put
into the posa of like the composition that you would imagine of lying in a
coffin with your hands and your breast and you know kind of scenario. It's
not like that basically, Oh dear, so well, I think we've covered
those. So yeah. The thing is, I think no matter what way
you look at it, you look at it in a way, that's all.
They're just common themes and then natural things of one in you know,
like superstition, because see why superstition would grow up around that. It's an
unusual birth that becomes a vampire. But what can you do about that?
So you know, okay, we'll ground him. I can kind of undersee
it, understand it, not undersee it. I can understand it how it
builds up. And again, all of these are very very very similar.
There's a nineteenth century story which is this is where we start coming into culture,
you know, like the cultural influences. But there's a nineteenth century story
about a soldier who returns home encounters a vampire sor now. I don't know
why he does this, but he took it to a wedding of all places.
The vampire then attacked the newlyweds because this kind of thing you do,
right, sucked out their blood. Maybe because they were like young and in
love and it was all sweet, sweet blood. I don't know. Maybe
so the soldier then, basically horrified by what he's seen, is make the
vampire do, actually had a conversation with him, which helped him discover a
way to stop it, because you're going to do that, if you're a
vampire. You're going to tell the bloke you've just met how to stop you
exactly. And it was just amusing that he said, I just had a
conversation with him. Excuse me, why you're ripping his face off. I
know, very sorry to disturb you while you're sucking out this wedding couples bloods
that I've been invited to his little route, you know, I didn't bring
you here for that. Brought you here for the booze and the birds,
you know. So basically he was told he would have to collect the vampire's
blood and pour the wound, pour the pour the blood of the vampire back
into the couple. Then he had to take the villagers out of the cemetery,
dig up the vampire's body, and burn it. So my argument is,
once you've joined the vampire of blood, why don't you just burn it?
Why do you have to go back and get the villagers to do it
with you? Why don't you just do it in one fail swoop. You've
got the blood, you don't want it coming after you? You burn it,
then then take the blood back and pouring. I don't know it.
Maybe he was a pacifist commandle himself. But they're saying that this is a
fable, like a bit like Grim's fairy tales. Yeah, the Green Brothers
made it up, then't I? Well, no Tewski or Bolgakov or Goggle,
okay, And I can guarantee there's probably some some people out there who
know who these people are, who are cringing at my pronunciation of those names,
particularly mister Goggle. Right. So but this is classical, this is
Russian, you know, classical literature. These stories are being written in.
So once it hits classical literature, mate, that's it. It's game over.
It's they're in the psyche, it's they're being told, it's they're being
read, and it's mm hmm. Yeah. So when you you've got and
the last time about the wedding was basically looking after the community, community,
looking after itself. Well, you've got knowledge now of how to kill a
vampire if you come across one. Yeah, you know what you got to
do. Yeah, zombie apocalypse, we know what to do there at all.
Yeah, they're zombies though they're not vampires, zombie one vampires. That
note, then why is there not a vampire Like when you think of like
a zombie apocalypse, why is there not a vampire apocalypse? Because there'd be
a bit crack, wouldn't they? Why? Well, because I only come
I annoyed, don't they? They're scared of the daylight. Yeah, but
you can imagine that, can't you. All the survivors trying to get through
the day hunker down at night, then all the vampires come out. And
but you've been caught out because you've had to do go a million miles to
find some you know, and you're coming across other like human groups that survive,
but we're going to try and betray you to and you league with the
vamps. Yeah, people just stay always going out and the vampires and that
because I ain't got no one to eat, no blood to suck. So
they just have to nip go back to bed, and then we can go
out during the day a bit. It's like it'll be a invasion. I
think it's potential. The invasion along happen twelve hours a day. It's not.
You can edit it, you know. But actually the only reason that
there is like if you look at twilight, they can come out in the
day. They just choose not to. Yeah, but they also beled and
tell you the vampires shimmer in the sunlight, behave and that's why they're not
scary in the daytime. They don't implode culture. That's made us do that,
the imploding ones. I'm trying to signal to my son here, and
I'm not very good at pictionary clearly because they can't clue what I'm trying to
dictate to. Hilarious Anyway, there's another Basically, this is another one of
those moralic tales, and it basically follows a lad who takes his dog for
a stroll down the woods, and it's a grade standing in front of them,
like, oh, hello is the corpse. The lad decides to pass
by, pretends that it doesn't matter what happens, I'm going to go past
his course. The dog follows him, but the corpse goes all there's a
life butson right there and goes fluttering after them. I like that termology.
Goes fluttering after them, but the lad has no time to escape. But
he was surprised to see that the dog attacked the corpse, so he's happy.
He runs off, and the dog keeps fighting the corpse, and then
the corpse was lying dead on the ground. Then goes trot's happily home to
its owner, and then basically when he got home, he was really annoyed
of his owner, barks at him and then bites him. Everybody wonders what's
wrong with the dog, but then they said, right, what's going on
with the dog? So that he tells us what's happened, and they say,
you didn't do a good thing there. The dog is disgusted that you
left him to fight the corpse all by hisself. He's got every right to
be annoyed, that's not you didn't do the right thing there. So basically
the dog was that annoyed they had to keep it on a chain for another
year to calm it down. But once he got let off the leash,
he was still very cross, so he killed the lad So they ended up
having to kill the dog. Notice, and apparently that's supposed to teach you
a lesson about pro social behavior. What's right in a circumstance. Your dog
is a member of your family. You don't leave the dog to kill the
corpse by itself. Basically, yeah, stick up for your dog, because
your dog will stick up for you. Kind of scenario. Yeah, you're
paying attention, Marley. You listen to this. That dog can't even see
a vampire. Now. He's very, very, very old. Now,
my poor baby. Yeah, so I thought, right, I'm getting a
bit bored with the old Russians, Kosovans, Slovenica's Poland. I thought I'd
go America. Yeah, why not? Because so far all I've come up
with is actual physical tales being told about the same kind of scenario of different
people, different villages, but very rural, nothing to back it up with.
Then I come into moralistic tales regarding vampires that tend to be more Russian,
and then I thought, no, I want a real story with a
bit of meat to the bones. Who but to give it to me than
the Americans? Yeah, to be fair, I mean they've just you know
the one the streaming services of your watch begin one. They have just released
a new TV series of Interview with the Vampire they have. Yes, you're
right? Is they good at telling vampire stories? They do love a bit
of a vampire story on the old end, don't they they do. I
think all that stems from Whitby and Stoker and all that sort of thing.
Oh whatever, they romanticize it, that's the word. It has become very
romanticized the vampire myth, hasn't it? Is that because it has a link
to sex. Possibly. I mean, I'm just a big fan of all
these films where they just like buy their necks off and rip their faces off
and stuff like that. But when you look at the tail of like Dracula,
which is where our kind of mythology comes from, that emotional bond of
blood exchange for the vampire. You look at Gary Oldwin, he was absolutely
impassioned by We're knowna rider whatever her name was, wasn't it. And there
is that link between his passion and it becomes more than it's a spiritual bond.
It's not a physical blood suck. It's actually a it's an emotional it's
an emotional bond, an incredibly strong emotional bond. So it's a spiritual wand
so it becomes like, yes, when we hit the Victorian period, we
do become a very romanticized form of vampire. Yeah, very romanticized. And
you know when you start going through it, you start learning that that's where
media has an influence on it. But the link is with sex, that
passion, that raw, that instinctual feeling that you get when you're having sex
based desire, yeah, comes into it. Anyway, the American vampire story
actually involves a gentleman called Edwin Brown. Yeah. Basically, this man ends
up with excuse me, tuberculosis, right, So he's struggling to Breathe continually
coughs up blood and he sort of cure in the air and mineral waters of
Colorado Springs. Now, taking the waters was quite a common thing, wasn't
it. Yeah, So basically it was an eighteen month trip and it didn't
heal him, and basically it just left him homesick. Okay, So he
returned to Rhode Island, Exeter, where his father actually tilled the soil as
a farmer, George Brown. So George Daddy had to watch Edwin die.
And basically it was they called it consumption because consumption was tuberculosis. And this
consumption took the life of his wife and his twenty year old daughter as well,
and then his son Edwin. So it's quite sad, really it is.
It also took the daughter, Mercy Lena Brown. Now she passed in
eighteen ninety two. Now, the consumption or tuberculosis was the top ula of
its time in the eighteenth and nineteenth century, particularly in New England. It
swept really easily between people. It's passed very, very easily. So when
it's tended to hit a family, it tended to hit the entire family.
And so this is the tragedy of this particular disease. However, doctors were
unable to explain the wave of sickness washing over the George Brown family. But
they they couldn't understand at that time that this is tuberculosis. This is what
happens. So they go with what's happening, we don't know, we don't
understand it, right, But this is all because Edwin came back to his
family. This is why it swept through. So now we understand that,
but they didn't then. Yeah, but they thought it was a corpse basically,
so they turn like, so it's turning to superstition and super the supernatural
basically to try to save to save it. This is two hundred years after
the sale and witch trials. Remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we see in this country with the Black Death. I think the doctors at
the time turned to flowers and plants. I mean they had the right right
idea, just didn't have a clue. Trial and error, I think.
I think a lot of medicine is to be fair. I think I still
do it to be fair. So basically George is like, everyone's dying,
so what do I do? And everyone's going, well, you know,
it's saying to do with one of the corpses. So he then goes fine,
to disprove this, Yes, we're going to open up the plot,
the family plot. This is in Chaesant Hill Cemetery and the seventeenth of March
in eighteen ninety two. Now, they exhumed the bodies of Mary Brown,
Mary Olive Brown, and basically they found bones. They just found their bones
inside. Then they looked at Mercy, who had died eight weeks earlier.
Now there are deferring accounts on this. As always, it's never as clear
as that. We're not sure if Mercy's body was already in the ground or
whether or not it was in a crypt. Because of the timing of the
year, they would sometimes put corpses in crypts until the ground was softer to
dig, basically because it was frozen, so they would keep them in a
crypt until it thawed, and then they would actually dig the grave. But
when they lifted the lid off Mercy's coffin, her body was found on her
side, not her back. Her face was flood and there was blood in
her heart and in her veins. Okay, Dr Metcalf basically had objected to
the entire affair, said no, no, no, no no. So
although there's a lack of decomposition of Mercy's body, but it was actually consistent
with the fact that she's only been dead for like less than two months,
but knowing that medicine had been done nothing to save the Browns. Basically,
the superstition was on uproar by now, so they took the presence of the
blood in Mercy's heart as a sign that she was undead. So basically they
cut out her heart, her lungs and cremated them. They then returned to
the Brown's house and mixed them with water. The ashes from her heart and
lungs they mixed with water and then basically Edwin Brown drank the coction nice,
but this is tuberculosis we're talking about here, so he didn't save him.
Two months later he died. What a shock. Excuse me, what I
do? My shock faced? That scary disgusting right. However, this is
not the first time that basically burning the organs of the dead mixing them into
the ashes for LIXI has been tried, because in basically there was another account
in seventeen ninety nine of a lady called Sarah Tillingast. They suspected her a
bigger vampire. And there's an author called Diana Ross McCain. She reports that
there are eighteen documented instances of basically exclamation of family members in vampire cases suspected
vampire cases in New England between the eighteenth and nineteenth century. Mercy Brown was
actually the last interesting I know fastin. I love this, well, I
don't. I wouldn't love this if this was actually happening, I'd be like
a u lot bonkers. But there we go. I think, you know,
given that that particular time period and the whole vampire thing was rife anyway,
Yeah, it wouldn't. It wouldn't be hard to jump to that conclusion.
Not really, you know, you're running on superstition and the supernatural.
I suppose it's natural. But for us in England, you know, our
kind of explosion in Gothic vampire stories kind of hits in regards to We did
a show on the Penny Dreadfuls if you remember rightly, and within those there
was a story called Virony the Vampire. It was yea, and that is
basically where a lot of modern day mythology, i e. What a vampire
is supposed to be like and having more humanistic characteristics, more like a human
with compassion and empathy and not just a spirit from the youth sucking on your
life force. This is where it becomes yes he still sucks your blood,
but he actually has a more moral code. We'll say, yeah, this
is where Vlad Vlad not Lad at all, Sorry, where Varney actually they
start introducing a moral code. Now, Varney the Vampire is incredibly interesting.
Go back over to have listened back to the Penny Dreadfuls show that we did,
because we cover Varney quite extensively in there under the Penny Dreadful guys,
because that's where it has to be composer link in the group page. Yeah,
if we can dig that out from somewhere, that would be quite good.
They were dreadful, I mean they were called Penny Dreadfuls. They were
super cheap productions. But a lot of it is to do with that.
So my question to you is, you know, like you've just you referenced
an interview with the Vampire. Obviously most people remember the film before they do
the TV series with Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise in it. That was like
the original interview with the vampire that did captivate, didn't it. It did
say that, Yeah, it's a good film, and it linked in communities
of vampires living alongside relatively modern and how they survived it? Did the parties
O the posh people weren't. I see. Put it this way, if
you've lived that many years as a vampire, you've survived that many years as
a vampire, you you you've got to learn to have money, right,
absolutely? I mean yeah, you would win yard. I would. I'd
collect everything. I'd have a big warehouse and just everything I had, I'd
collect it because in the future it would be worth millions. I've got one
of them. And this is where he gets his del boy persona from.
Well you would, I mean, you know, and you've got like a
brand new Grammar phone in its wrapper, original box. You're not there for
a few quick I had to wait a long time. No, what you
do is you target people that have got a lot of money, make them
leave it all to you, and then like sucker, but kill them off.
Yeah, you could do that as well, sideline the antique through and
then you invest that money which is going to give you a good return over
the years, and you just go through lifelike that. So you all have
lots of money basically, yeah, because if you're going to live for an
eternity, at least do it in style. Absolutely, first class all the
way. I think you live your life by that anyway, don't you?
Absolutely? Why not? So that's Anne Rice's version was interview with the Vampire
Stephanie Meyers. Obviously a massive influence with the Twilight season or series, should
I say, where we have vampires and were wolves living alongside each other,
and they were wolves protecting the grounds and the neighborhood from empires, big bit
war, and then we have Italian coming in there, and we have like
you with the Voltari and stuff like that. It's a little bit twee for
my liking in regards to the gutting romance between Edward and Bella. Ye see,
I'm more into the whole vampire feels like Underworld they were good, very
more horror horrific. Is that sexy lady running around in a PVC suit?
Yeah, yeah, she's in it as the sex level on top of it,
right, Yeah, But they don't don't go around there in sex with
each other, be twiler that It's just it's just very much like a big
war between them. It's a sexy war between them. It's not sexy warn
each other's faces off and things. So people get a kick out of that
in PVC it's very sado masochist. It's not yeah, it's not what it's
just horror film. Do you remember there was a really old old film called
The Hunger which had Davy Bowie in it, that was about vampires. Okay,
I'm not saying that. Google that one layer Yeah, before his Labyrinth
days. No vampires, it's gonna said nothing to do with vampires in there
at all. But you know that was good. But the first character in
there was a little world at the beginning, a little blue world. So
we are sort of like being fed these mythologies through our media now more so
than we ever have done. I mean, Vampire Diaries is obviously a big
teen sickcom, not a sitcom. It's not a sitcom, you know what
I mean? A teen yeah, yeah, a bit that charmed, but
on a vampire front in all honesty. So we have these influences coming in
and as these new kind of media programs like hitters, they bring new mythologies
in, as in explaining why vampires can't go out in the sun. Lost
Boys obviously we can't not talk about The Lost Boys because that was a massive
one as well, best classic ever. Yeah, I didn't enjoy that one,
and don't invite somebody in you don't know. I think even if you
do know, if they're hovering outside your window, it's not going to end
well. I think it's the expression open the door and if they just stand
there, lock a lemon, show back in their face. And I think
that's where that one of the mythologists of having a mirror in your hallway comes
from as well. Yeah, because they're reflection, are they not? Because
they did, but they wouldn't because they're a spirit. Any Way, on
that note, we have actually come to the end of the show. But
these mythologies, like I say, they're ingrained into us from going right back.
I mean, we've we talked about the references that were in gilgamersh We
were talking about it come from Mesopotamia, it's hit Europe. Europe have then
personified it in the ways that they personified things that spread it hit other areas
in more medieval earlier centuries. Then we start getting accounts of people that are
being put down to vampirism and how they dealt with that, and then how
it ties into other kind of mythologies like the call baby or call births and
then we've looked at, you know, how it's spread going across and how
people were mis understanding physical ailments in regard to vampirism, like tuberculosis in New
England, and how that again mythology and superstition overtakes. And actually it's that
that's at plat alongside mythology that brings it into the physical. Are they an
etheric being? I don't know. I've never come across one when I've been
working on the etherics. But then again, I don't want to be looking
for one, and I certainly don't want to become a vampire hunter on the
etherics, thank you very much. But there are not just only the vampires
that drain you of your blood, the emotional ones as well. There's loads
of emotional vampires out there, Yes, yes, there are. Yeah,
there are people that come in and you know, we do talk about energy
vampires. This is where energetic vampires come in. Think about a friend that
comes around or a person that comes around, and by the time they've gone,
you're absolutely exhausted. You know, it's because they've taken something from you
and their energy is exhaust yours. That could just be not necessarily them sucking
off your energy, as it were. But it could just be your vibration
is not matching that person's vibration. If you're in grief or in sadness or
for whatever reason, and you've got a super highly positive person, you're not
You're going to feel drained after that because you are not any right energy to
receive that energy. Okay, So I think you have to be very careful
with those kind of terms. Yeah, so when you just don't stab them
in the heart of a stake, definitely don't do that. No, that
does not end well for anybody. No, particularly in modern society. No,
I don't believe vampires are real in the term that we see in the
media. No. I agree. I think it may be a fetish yep
for people, but I certainly don't believe that there's real vampires. There is
a There is a guy on TikTok actually that I've come across because I've recently
discovered The Joys of TikTok who talks about being a modern day vampire that he
calls hisself vampire. Didn't talk much sense to me when I was watching his
live I was thinking, Okay, I'll be he's just very much in the
media driven stereotype of what vampire is. He's definitely more gothic in look like
long dark hair, pale face, very merrily Mensen kind of vibe going on
with him. And again I put that down to fetishish and fetishish fetishism got
over there. I put it down to that more than I do. In
actual it's a lifestyle choice. Absolutely, it's what it is. It's a
lifestyle choice, so you know, it is what it is. Anyway,
On that note, we've actually come to the end of the show, Paul.
Do you enjoy coming back with that little topic. Yeah, it was
really good. We'll have to work on the next installment of the Paranormal Concept
show. On that note, goodbye everybody, goodbye, Thank you so much. Bybe