1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,960 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is not intended for all 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:15,679 audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Is there anything you would want to tell 3 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:18,760 her or anyone else? Or did you burn her body? No? I 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,679 have no idea of it. You don't know how she ended up burned. 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:31,960 Hi. This is Sword and Scale season eleven, episode twudred sixty one, 6 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:38,280 a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real. Thank you for joining 7 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,640 us this week. We have a lot to tell you about. First of 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,159 all, Swordan Scale Television premieres very very very soon, if not already, 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:52,159 you can watch right now if you go to Swordanscale dot com and a click 10 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,000 watch now. It's it's not that hard. But just so that you know, 11 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,240 we are still making lots of improvements to the app and the website, 12 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,640 lots of little things, lots of things you've been telling us over and over 13 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,640 again. You know. One of the things we'd like to encourage you to 14 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,280 do is to read more. I think it's important for all of us to 15 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,159 become more educated and read more. So read the comment before you comment, 16 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,200 because someone else may have had, oh I don't know, exactly the same 17 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:26,760 thought two seconds ago and already expressed it for all to read. Listen, 18 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,159 I'm cranky. I haven't had my coffee yet. Anyway, have you heard 19 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,000 of the store? Go on over to store do Towardskill dot com. We 20 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,439 got all kinds of new merch, all kinds of cool shit. Check it 21 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,719 out if you like murdery stuff with our logo on it. I don't. 22 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,239 I don't know. I don't Why am I even still doing this? Just 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:48,239 go ahead and do whatever you want all the time. I don't care whatever 24 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:53,560 you want. Really, That's that's all I got to say. Enjoy the 25 00:01:53,599 --> 00:02:23,719 show. You owe me. You owe me for the hundreds of true crime 26 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:29,240 stories that I've told you over the years. You owe me for the many 27 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,560 hours of entertainment that I've graciously given you. You owe me for all the 28 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:42,159 hard work I've put into the show. You owe me, And don't you 29 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:49,439 forget it. I'm sorry. Did that sound a little entitled? If my 30 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:55,479 sense of entitlement strikes you as unflattering, that's because it is. It's quite 31 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:02,039 ugly. In fact, a sense of entitlement is a narcissistic personality trait, 32 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,520 and it's pretty obvious. Most people don't like it when someone insists that they 33 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:15,879 deserve something, when in reality, they don't deserve a damn thing. I 34 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:19,560 was kidding, by the way, you don't owe me anything. No one 35 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:27,599 owes anyone anything, generally speaking. But I can admit and acknowledge that I 36 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:34,919 do carry around a little bit of entitlement. Most of us do. But 37 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:43,479 we either consciously or subconsciously recognize that it's an unflattering characteristic, so we work 38 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,520 on it. We try to suppress it, or at the very least, 39 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:53,639 we try to keep it in check. There are some, however, that 40 00:03:53,879 --> 00:04:00,840 have no problem letting their extreme sense of entitlement shine. You've ever watched any 41 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:04,080 number of Karen videos online, then you know exactly what I'm talking about. 42 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:10,840 Some of you may have even caught the Karen bug, you know, the 43 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:16,439 ones perpetually complaining about what they're not getting from a ten dollars optional podcast subscription 44 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:23,759 in the comment section of every single episode. You know who you are. 45 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:31,720 Those of us with a slightly more acute sense of self awareness wonder what makes 46 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:38,800 people act this way. An extreme sense of entitlement can be developed in a 47 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:43,720 number of ways. One of the most common ways usually relates to how a 48 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:49,519 person has been treated in the past. When someone or a group of people 49 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:56,439 are routinely given what they want, they can develop the idea that their wants 50 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,399 are just owed to them. Its common for children to have this mentality, 51 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:08,439 but they usually grow out of it and begin to understand that life is about 52 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:14,160 give and take. They learn that, in general, if you want something, 53 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,720 you have to earn it. Unfortunately, not everyone develops this understanding. 54 00:05:21,079 --> 00:05:28,399 Some full ass grown adults hold firm to their sense of entitlement, and when 55 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,360 things that were once handed to them are suddenly taken away, well that's when 56 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:41,199 they lash out. They get angry. They might scream or yell, they 57 00:05:41,240 --> 00:06:10,800 might get violent. In fact, they might even commit murder. On the 58 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:15,480 night of January twenty sixth, twenty eighteen, a middle aged woman in Rio 59 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:21,199 Rancho, New Mexico, was driving home from work. Her commute was one 60 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:26,879 that she had made many times before, but on this particular night, she 61 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,199 noticed something unusual. While driving along a somewhat well traveled back road, she 62 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:40,720 saw a smoldering pile of well something that was laid out on the road in 63 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:46,639 front of her. The pile let off a small cloud of black smoke and 64 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:55,040 its glowing orange umbers suggested that whatever she was looking at was very recently on 65 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,720 fire. I was coming home. I could see it off to the side, 66 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,560 but I couldn't see what it was at all. When you drove through, 67 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,439 were you able to drive around it or did you? I drove around 68 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:11,759 it. No, I drove around it. I couldn't see anything because it 69 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,240 was dark. My headlights are very good, but I wasn't going to get 70 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,279 out of my car either. You know, I'm not stupid. But so 71 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:25,079 I came home and we talked about it for a while, and so I 72 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:31,120 went to bed, woke up at about ten tinish and said, I'm going 73 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:36,279 to go up and take a look. The woman drove home, She told 74 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:41,279 her roommates about what she saw, and then she went to bed. The 75 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:44,839 next morning, she decided she wanted to take a closer look at what she 76 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,639 had seen the night before. I went up there, and I still didn't 77 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:53,439 think it was real, and it just did not look real to me. 78 00:07:53,680 --> 00:08:00,120 It was horrible. It looked like what you saw. For me. I 79 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,800 could see the head, I could see the two arms, the face. 80 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,879 It looks like a female. I can tell you that. Now that the 81 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,120 sun was up. The woman returned to what she saw during her commute home, 82 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:22,720 and she couldn't believe what she discovered. Lying on a burned mattress was 83 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:28,560 a severely mangled and charred human corpse. Actually, as I was walking away, 84 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,679 I could see the restraints restraints. Yeah, the person was bound with 85 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,559 metal, with wire or something. The arm was broken. I could see 86 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:48,480 that the mouth looked round like forming an o. The right foot was missing. 87 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:52,159 It looked like it had been cut off from about here, maybe even 88 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,559 higher. It was creepy. I mean, there's no nice way to put 89 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:03,559 it. You know, some person lest their life and whoever decided to dump 90 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,240 it on a road that is well traveled. You can tell the roads well 91 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:15,080 travel why most people would not dump a body on a well traveled road. 92 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:20,639 This woman had a good question, why would someone dump a body in a 93 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:24,840 well traveled road? Along with that question, the cops in Rio Rancho were 94 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:31,679 wondering a few other things too, like who was this dead person, how 95 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:37,120 did they die? And more importantly, who put them there. Meanwhile, 96 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:43,240 about twenty miles south, a concerned man in Albuquerque was making a phone call 97 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,879 to nine one one Albuquerque Police operated three four six months. How can I 98 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,240 help you? Yes? This a courage and we're going to have called about 99 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:56,960 And I also rooms enough for some persons. My sister's house and she's not 100 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,399 here in the modus I was sending office. What's the address where you're out, 101 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:09,799 sir. Sixty two year old Harry Gandert lived in Albuquerque, and for 102 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,039 the last day or two he'd been trying to reach his sister, Marylyn, 103 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:18,120 who he knew was pretty reliable when it came to returning his phone calls. 104 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:20,279 Okay, and I'm sorry, can I get your name one more time? 105 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:28,279 Ryder Tomas other? And what's your sister's name, Marylyn Ganders? Okay? 106 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:37,480 How well? Did Okay? Vehicles here and that's how she travels. I 107 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:45,200 mean, my note that I left yesterday is still in the door. I'm 108 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,679 getting worried now. Okay, I need to make a bitter First we went 109 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:58,519 inside the house that it was yesterday, So vehicles here. So if he 110 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,799 went with afraid of his Okay, if she was a he, she should 111 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,919 have called him. She was a mother. Room. Okay, Well, 112 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,240 just right light there, I'm going to get an offer make contact with you 113 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:15,000 shortly. Sixty five year old Marilyn Gandert worked for the US Postal Service for 114 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:20,120 over thirty years, and according to her co workers, she was very dependable, 115 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:26,080 a colleague that was a joy to be around, working when Maryland was 116 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,360 just relaxing. That's the best word to use is that she put it ease 117 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,240 to you if you know, things didn't get to her. She didn't sweat 118 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,279 this more stuff. When asked, Harry described a sister as a great person. 119 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:43,799 In fact, he told police that Marylyn was the perfect sister and that 120 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:48,360 she was always there for him when he needed her. Harry reported Marylynd missing, 121 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:54,360 but unfortunately he couldn't direct the Albuquerque Police towards many leads. Marilyn Gander 122 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:01,679 lived alone and was a solitary person. She mostly kept to herself and didn't 123 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,600 have a lot of close friends. She did, however, have a best 124 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:11,759 friend. Her name was Nancy Robinson. Nancy worked alongside Marilyn at the post 125 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:16,000 office for a long time, and over the years the two of them had 126 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,720 to come quite close. How did you know, Marilyn? We were together 127 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:28,320 in the post office, same station, thinks probably twelve fifteen years years and 128 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:35,240 then we were friends outside of that, went to Bible study together, spent 129 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,279 time with her and her husband for days. You know that kind of stuff. 130 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:46,120 Marilyn's husband passed away long before Marilyn went missing. Several years later, 131 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,120 tragedy struck again when Marilyn lost her only child. Marilyn's forty two year old 132 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,200 son, Ryan Bickett, killed himself while playing Russian Roulette. If for some 133 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:05,440 reason you're not familiar, Russian Roulette is a deadly game of chance where a 134 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:11,600 person places one bullet and a revolver spins the cylinder, points the muzzle at 135 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,960 their head, and pulls the trigger. You basically have a one in six 136 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:24,639 chance of killing yourself. In case this isn't obvious, people usually don't play 137 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:31,039 this game unless they're severely suicidal. In Ryan's case, he was both severely 138 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:39,200 suicidal and extremely unlucky. Ryan's death effect m J's heartbroke. Of course, 139 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:48,480 it's your only child she had, you know, Like most mothers, cremated 140 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:54,360 remains that she wore around her and in She's paid the extra money to bring 141 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:58,720 the report to her house. She had all the pictures. She would wake 142 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,080 up every morning at a certain time. When he lost his life, it 143 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:09,159 was a big deal. As expected, the death of her son was devastating 144 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,480 for Marilyn, but the silver lining was that she still had her daughter in 145 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:22,799 law in Ryan's wife. Ryan's wife was forty three year old Elisa Bickett, 146 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:28,320 and Marilyn also had a grandchild in Ryan's son. He was twenty year old 147 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:35,120 Drake Bickett. Marilyn had a big heart. Her interaction with Drake that I 148 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:43,240 would see she was trying to be grandmotherly with him. Same thing with Elissa. 149 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:48,919 She looked at Elisa as her daughter. She treated her like her daughter, 150 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:54,080 much like Harry Gandert. When Marilyn went missing, Nancy was quick to 151 00:14:54,159 --> 00:15:00,759 notice that Marilyn wasn't responding to phone calls or text messages, which was quite 152 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,000 out of character. And so when did you start becoming concerned? Honestly, 153 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,519 I started to get a real bad vibe on Thursday night I called her, 154 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:13,279 and then I called her later. I couldn't get a hold of her, 155 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,679 and the feeling got worse, worse and worse. And you would text. 156 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,639 When you text Maryland or call Maryland, you get pretty much an immediate response. 157 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Called her on Saturday and said did you go back to work? I 158 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,960 haven't heard from you. I'm concerned, etc. Etc. And then by 159 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,279 the time Sunday morning came. When I woke up six or seven o'clock, 160 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:41,519 I left the house in my pajamas, in my robe and said, Marylynd, 161 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:46,919 I'm coming for you, because you just knew something was wrong. After 162 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:52,279 Marylyn was reported missing, the first place that police went looking was Maryland's home. 163 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,240 The responding officers discovered that Maryland's back door was left wide open, so 164 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:04,399 they went inside, but there was no sign of Marylyn. The house seemed 165 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:11,240 undisturbed, but the police did notice something strange. Marilyn's house keys were left 166 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:18,639 hanging on her front door. Knob who leaves their house without their keys. 167 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:25,799 The responding officers knew something was wrong, so they decided to visit another house 168 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:30,600 that Marilyn owned. It was a neighboring property that Marilyn had been renting out 169 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:37,159 to her daughter in law Alissa. When police arrived at this second house, 170 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,559 they spoke to Alyssa, who was in the process of moving out and was 171 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:45,039 half expecting Marylyn to pop on by. Yeah. I haven't expected her to 172 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,159 come on, but I didn't think anything of it though. She probably just 173 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:55,320 you know, like sometimes she gets mad and at even talk to the Marilyn's 174 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,240 brother, her best friend, and her daughter in law were almost always in 175 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,960 regular contact with Maryland, but the three of them told police that they didn't 176 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:11,319 know where Maryland was. She had seemingly just vanished. Meanwhile, back in 177 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:18,279 Rio Rancho, a middle aged woman discovered a mangled and smoldering corpse on a 178 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,519 back road. After she told roommates about what she found, one of those 179 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:27,200 roommates called nine one one, Sanibo County, nine one one, what is 180 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:34,759 the exact location of the emergency out here? Encino and Northern We think we 181 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:41,519 found a body out here. It's it's in a road and somebody had put 182 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:45,240 it on like a mattress or something and burned it. And so it's a 183 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,640 mattress with something burned on the top of it. Yeah, and it looks 184 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:56,400 like it has boned in it and you can see intestines and guts and I 185 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,119 don't know, it looks like it has a head and hands and arms, 186 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,440 and well, okay, and are you going to be around for officers? 187 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,920 Why care? And I can walk for us up there. After the police 188 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:15,480 arrived on the scene, they quickly confirmed there was indeed a charred human corpse 189 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:22,440 lying on a road in Rio Rancho, after which they promptly questioned the people 190 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,079 that reported it, when you got there, what did you There was smoke? 191 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:30,559 You can tell something bringing I was like, what was that? I 192 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:37,279 think it's a body? Okay, did you walk up to what you suburning? 193 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:42,039 Yeah, we're parked, you can go around like but we didn't go 194 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:45,799 around it. We just backed up point of left too. And we were 195 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,279 there for maybe three minutes of that. Oh really, well, because you 196 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,880 both feel really creeped out, like someone was watching us. Okay, I 197 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,079 really feel like something is needless to say, finding a dead body is a 198 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:03,640 terrible experience for anyone to have, but in this particular case, and because 199 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:10,119 of the horrific state of the body, it was especially traumatic for everyone that 200 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,200 happened to witness it. Tell me again what you observed. I'm bad, 201 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,640 bad thing. It was really bad man. But it's important for me to 202 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:26,839 understand what you saw. Right. That person suffered, bad man, the 203 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:33,359 suffered bad. What makes you think it's a person? I don't know. 204 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,480 I can't. I could tell that there was a sugar like sticking out and 205 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:42,240 there was intestine on the other side. It was bad. It's the first 206 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,000 thing I ever saw in my life. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm 207 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,960 sorry you saw it. Man, you get to see with us on how 208 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,440 you do that. I mean tomorrow we'll putting a cross up there, because 209 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:03,200 that's soul hasterus. It's not under Within a day, the news of this 210 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:10,799 dead body reached the Albuquerque area and the detectives that were searching for Maryland. 211 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:17,200 Soon after, the body was identified through dental records and confirmed to be sixty 212 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:26,920 five year old postal worker Marylyn Gandert. Following that revelation, Albuquerque homicide detectives 213 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:33,920 went to work and they expected to find out who had brutally murdered this poor 214 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:51,079 woman, who had dumped the body, who had burned it, and why. 215 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,400 In January of twenty eighteen, the mangled and smoldering corpse of sixty five 216 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:21,839 year old postal worker Marilyn Gandert was found on a back road in Rio Rancho, 217 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:26,640 New Mexico. After the body was collected and an autopsy was performed, 218 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:34,640 the medical examiner and homicide detectives were able to determine what likely happened to Maryland. 219 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:42,640 Someone had brutally beaten and stabbed her to death after she was dead. 220 00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:48,960 The killer or someone else drove the body to Rio Rancho, dropped a mattress 221 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:55,359 on the road and put Marylyn on top of it. Then they doused her 222 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:03,440 in gasoline and lit the body on fire before away. The medical examiner also 223 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:08,000 determined that there were no signs of sexual trauma to Marilyn's body, but there 224 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:15,039 were ligature marks on her wrists and ankles, so Marylyn was likely bound either 225 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:22,960 before or during the murder. When detectives began investigating this homicide, one of 226 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:29,839 the first things they tried to figure out was where the murder happened. They 227 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,720 examined Marilyn's house, but didn't find any signs of a struggle or any significant 228 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:41,519 traces of blood. They quickly determined that the murder probably didn't happen at Maryland's 229 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:48,880 home. Then they set their eyes on another property that Marilyn owed. It 230 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,000 was a neighboring house that Marilyn had been renting out to her daughter in law, 231 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:59,039 Elissa Bikett, who happened to be in the process of moving out when 232 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:08,480 Marylynd was first reported missing. Names are first off for investigating for disepurance, 233 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,559 I believe with your mom, we actually want to secure the hours. Okay, 234 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:15,960 I'm just trying to get all my stuff out there, like all right, 235 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,759 so unfortunately I can't want see what I can. Sorry, I need 236 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:22,559 to get I have things in there. I literally have everything that I'm taking 237 00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:26,480 to my hotel, and so my parents we understand that, okay, but 238 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,519 at this point we're going to secure the residents. Why okay, we're doing 239 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,920 the search walk, I can rely util Do you have the warrant? Then 240 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,759 I want to get my things out first? Why secure for WALK? I 241 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:44,759 need to get my fans win. My name is Alissa. Forty three year 242 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:48,519 old Alyssa Bickett wasn't overly thrilled that a bunch of cops were about to be 243 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:53,240 invading her home and rifling through all her stuff, but given that she had 244 00:23:53,599 --> 00:24:00,640 no other options, she relented and a search warrant was executed on her home. 245 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,880 After that was being done, Alyssa was informed that Marilyn's body had been 246 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,680 found, and Alyssa was taken to the local police station for questioning. Do 247 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:17,640 you know why you're here today? They told me because Marilyn died. I 248 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,359 didn't know she died. Okay, so you said that you had heard she 249 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,400 was dead. Yes, okay, how did you hear that? One of 250 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,000 the detectives told me, so it is. It is true that Marilyn is 251 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:30,559 deceased. Okay, how do you know Marilyn? She's my mother in law, 252 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,279 mother in law. I don't know how to say it. It was 253 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,160 my husband, but he passed away. It's her, it was his mom. 254 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,799 Okay. And when he passed away, you were still married to yes, 255 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,400 okay. Do you and her son what's her son's name, Ryan? 256 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,720 Ryan? How long were you and Ryan married? Twenty three years? Twenty 257 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,519 three years? And how did you pass away? Shut himself in front of 258 00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:53,880 me? Okay, I'm sorry to hear that. How long ago was that? 259 00:24:55,319 --> 00:25:02,079 August twenty fourteen? Again, this wasn't the first horrific tragedy that had 260 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,720 struck this family. Back in twenty fourteen, Alyssa's husband and Marilyn's son, 261 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:15,359 Ryan Bickett, killed himself while playing Russian Roulette. According to Alyssa, that 262 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,359 suicide happened right in front of her. How is your relationship with Marilyn prior 263 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,119 to that before Ryan committed Okay? I mean and you were married twenty three 264 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,759 years? Wow? Okay? And your relationship was okay with Marylyn. Okay, 265 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:36,240 and since Ryan has passed away, how is your relationship? I was 266 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:37,759 okay, I'm just off and on. I just really didn't talk to her 267 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:44,000 very much after the death. Okay. Any hard of feelings, I guess 268 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,039 you could say about she was about you. How come sometimes she thought I 269 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,759 should have left him because he was very abusive. Oh, then if you 270 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,000 would have left him, you wouldn't know he might not have killed himself. 271 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,880 So maybe a little figure pointing as well. Yeah. Alyssa claim that Marilyn 272 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:06,240 had some resentment towards her, and Marilyn seemed to believe that if Alyssa wasn't 273 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:12,920 in Ryan's life, Ryan wouldn't have killed himself. Despite this, Marilyn allowed 274 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,000 Alyssa to remain living in the same house that she and Ryan shared, which 275 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:26,920 was owned by Marilyn. The only condition that Marilyn had was a reasonable one. 276 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:33,039 She expected that Alissa pay rent. Unfortunately, Alyssa didn't live up to 277 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:38,160 her end of the deal, so Marilyn began the process of evicting Alyssa. 278 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:44,440 When Marilyn was first reported missing, and responding officers went to the house that 279 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:49,839 Alyssa was renting, Alyssa didn't mention anything about being evicted. She only told 280 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:56,359 him that she was moving out for detectives. That was kind of a big 281 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,720 red flag. And I didn't work for six years when he was alive. 282 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,799 He didn't let me work, so you know, I got a job right 283 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:07,400 away, but I sometimes, you know, I wouldn't have a job sometimes, 284 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,160 So okay, yeah, so is it? When I tried to talk 285 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,920 to her and she kind of worked with me, she said she was going 286 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,440 to meet me, and I said, okay, you know whatever, Okay, 287 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,599 who lives at the forty seventy fifteen two of the Ridge with you? 288 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:25,680 It was Annie Rael. Melissa shared the house she was renting with two people, 289 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,920 her twenty year old son Drake and her close friend, twenty eight year 290 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:37,279 old Annie Rael. So how did you end up meeting Alyssa? How long 291 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,880 ago was that? We'd be like, it's been over a year over here 292 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:47,519 probably, And then how did you end up moving in with her? I'm 293 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:52,440 going through the worst, and she was unhappy, and she kind of offered 294 00:27:52,480 --> 00:28:00,119 and I accepted. Alissa and Annie met in twenty seventeen and became friends. 295 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,359 Before long, Alyssa offered to let Annie live with her in the house she 296 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:12,119 was renting. While there, Annie met and occasionally interacted with Marilyn gandert if 297 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:18,960 it was like exciving her chrisiss or one of those she gave us. Well 298 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,559 then ham and like food, like they did get long. Okay, you 299 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:30,039 know I have seen them get along. According to Annie, the relationship between 300 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:37,960 Alyssa and Marilyn was on occasion cordial, but on other occasions it was clear 301 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:45,400 that the relationship was breaking down, mostly because Alyssa wasn't paying rent and because 302 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,759 you know, she wasn't even taking good care of the house anyway. Well, 303 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,880 it seems like Marilyn and Alyssa are having a dispute over the conditions of 304 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,240 the house, maybe some payments, just not really getting along about stuff. 305 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,759 Right. But I went out there while she was getting ready to leave and 306 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:07,559 just talked to her and was like, Alyssa's trying, she's she's a good 307 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,000 girl, like she does try and she I don't know. I was just 308 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:15,440 trying to make the peace. It went really well. But I guess she 309 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,799 didn't know who that I was outing. She didn't know it was me. 310 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,599 Did she know that you were staying there? Well? Speaking with detectives. 311 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,000 Alyssa and Nannie seemed to downplay the issues that Marilyn was having with Alyssa in 312 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:34,799 the house, But according to Marilyn's best friend Nancy, Marilyn was at her 313 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:40,279 wits end. She had just had with Alissa. She loved Alyssa. Over 314 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:45,799 the years, she did everything she possibly could for Alyssa, and it was 315 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:52,559 actually Alissa who was angry with Marylyn. Marilyn supported them entirely for many years, 316 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:59,720 as opposed to her own so, and then after Ryan died, there 317 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:07,000 was a period of time where she wanted the whole situation to change. She 318 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:12,799 was hoping that Alyssa could begin to pair some rent, that kids could work, 319 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:17,640 something could happen so that they could still live there and she wouldn't have 320 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:25,759 to be able to support them entirely. Again, Marilynd's expectations were entirely reasonable. 321 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,839 If Alyssa was going to live in Maryland's house, she would have to 322 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:37,880 pay rent. But apparently Alissa just didn't like that arrangement. Well This's response 323 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:44,079 was that too okay? Now, because Ryan's not here, You're not going 324 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:45,559 to take care of us anymore? She said, yeah, I can't, 325 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,799 You know, you have to have some income. You have to help me 326 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,400 here. I want to retire. So as she attempted to make that work 327 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:59,200 with them, and Alyssa was very unhappy with the fact that she was now 328 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,960 going to have to pay some She tell me about the bits and pieces of 329 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,200 money that would come in, and it never came in like it was supposed 330 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:15,880 to, and there were promises. Despite her objections, Alyssa did agree to 331 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:21,839 pay rent, but she never actually lived up to the promise to do so. 332 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,759 On top of that, Alissa did a pretty poor job of taking care 333 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:29,720 of the house. It looked when I was there, it looked as if 334 00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:34,559 somebody got angry, wasn't or drunk. It was my pressure, drunk, 335 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,960 angry whatever, and just trashed it. You know. People do stuff like 336 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:45,079 that. They put their fists through the wall, they bring things, and 337 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,119 it didn't look like it had been basically kept up anyway. Finally, after 338 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:56,720 giving Alissa several opportunities to turn things around, Marilyn decided that Alyssa had run 339 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:02,519 out of chances and began the process of having a Lisa evicted. Maryland's long 340 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:08,559 term plan was to eventually sell the house. She had resigned herself that she 341 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:14,319 was done with the whole thing, tired of putting that emotion out there, 342 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,759 tired of putting the bill. She was done. She was going to sell 343 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,559 this house because she wanted to retire. We work hard at the post office. 344 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:29,720 So she was just kind of had been done with it. After hearing 345 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:35,599 about the drama and conflict between Alyssa and Marylyn, Albuquerque homicide detectives felt like 346 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:42,960 they had a plausible motive for murder, so they questioned Alyssa about the eviction. 347 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:47,119 So, am I correct by saying that eventually you guys were evicted? 348 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:52,200 Yes? How did that come about? Because we were paying? She just 349 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,400 said, And I didn't go to court, I just because I knew I 350 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,200 didn't want to. There was nothing to argue about. Did she actually take 351 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,759 it to court? Like, oh, okay, and you didn't show up, 352 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,160 you know, because I knew what's there? Argue? I mean, 353 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,400 what am I going to go say? I know I'm not paying rent, 354 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,480 you know, so I'm just let it go. And you know, I 355 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,240 mean, but I did ask her, you know, maybe we can work 356 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:16,559 this out still, and she said no, And I said, okay, 357 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,880 you know, how did you feel about her evicting you? I was a 358 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,400 little upset, but then I came to terms with it. I was like, 359 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:27,599 my husband died here. You know, my son doesn't get it's not 360 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,680 good for him. It's not good for his mental So but it's not like, 361 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,880 I mean I don't hate her. I just you know, I don't 362 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,000 I mean, never tell her out, you know, I mean, none 363 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,839 of us would. We were just like, let's just go, you know. 364 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,519 According to Alyssa, the eviction process was as cordial as it could possibly 365 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:52,720 be, and Alyssa's friend Annie echoed that claim. Oh, it's about through 366 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,240 to her that we're just we are trying to get out. We're not trying 367 00:33:55,319 --> 00:34:00,039 to be in a brawl. We're not trying to destroyer in her house. 368 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,119 We want to leave in peace on good terms. Was you going to understand 369 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,519 how those terms were starting to happen? Like good? Yes? Okay, 370 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:15,039 yeah. Alyssa and Annie admitted that they weren't happy about being evicted, but 371 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,000 they claimed that they accepted it and were willing to just move on. So 372 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:27,360 they began the process of moving out. But that process wasn't easy because Marilyn 373 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,199 changed the locks on the doors. How are you now getting back into the 374 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,639 house? Would come Anita said, oh okay, she had a key. 375 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Yeah, oh says okay, so the locks are changed. Marylyn has the 376 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:44,559 key. And then when you guys are packing your stuff, Maryland conjured here 377 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,280 come inside. So everything was going okay, yes, okay. The court 378 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,280 filings and eviction notice granted Alyssa three days to move her things out of the 379 00:34:54,360 --> 00:35:00,960 house. Out of the concern that the house might be further damaged, Marilyn 380 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,079 decided that Alissa could only move her stuff out while Marylyn was there. She 381 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:10,079 wanted to oversee what was going on so they wouldn't cause a bunch of damage 382 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,280 to this house that she needed to sell eventually, So she decided to take 383 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:21,280 off work so that she could watch everything and make sure the move out process 384 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:28,920 was, you know, going well. Yeah. According to Alyssa, Marilyn 385 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,320 eventually decided that she didn't need to keep an eye on things for some reason, 386 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,920 and so Marylyn you were get along and she was like, you know, 387 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,320 I noticed you, and I said I'm not going to get to sun 388 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,119 today, and I know, you know, She's like, yeah, few 389 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,239 days or whatever, get so that, you know, they said get out. 390 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:47,159 She's like, but I would work on Monday. I took off this 391 00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:51,840 week, so I'm going to take the weekend. I want you to come 392 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,440 and get to key tomorrow. I'm going to let you, guys just hang 393 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,119 help me to you know, like not hang up, but you know I 394 00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:00,599 want to relax. You guys, go ahead. And and so that was 395 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:07,079 aversation you had. On Friday. Alyssa claimed that on the day before Marylyn 396 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:13,480 was reported missing, Marylyn gave her the new house keys so that Alyssa could 397 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,400 finish moving out. I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would give 398 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,079 someone that they are actually in the process of evicting a set of the new 399 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:30,000 house keys to the new locks they've just installed. It kinda makes no sense 400 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:36,920 whatsoever. But I'm sure you knew that already. Alissa even had a text 401 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:43,119 exchange with Marylyn to show detectives and back up this claim. But again, 402 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:50,079 Marylynd's friend Nancy contradicted what Alyssa told the police. When Nancy was shown the 403 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:54,480 text messages between Alyssa and Marylyn, she knew it didn't make any sense come 404 00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:59,760 get the key on Friday. That is so not Maryland. That's somebody to 405 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,559 see from Marylyn's follow needless to say, the story that Alssa told police was 406 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:09,880 pretty suspicious. Why would Marilyn go through all the trouble of filing court paperwork, 407 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:15,159 changing the locks, taking time off of work, and then just allow 408 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:21,239 Alissa to have free access to the house. It made zero sense. And 409 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,480 because of that, the homicide detectives began to push back on Alyssa's story. 410 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:31,480 Marilyn didn't allow you guys in the house without her present at the beginning, 411 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:36,000 Yes, and it was because she thought we were going to damage the house. 412 00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:37,960 Okay, So it's just kind of odd to me that all of a 413 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,679 sudden she would how she likes to lie, and then she would go missing. 414 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,639 Well, I don't know, you know, all of a sudden you 415 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,920 had to keyse yes because she gave it to me. Not according to the 416 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,280 friends that we spoke to. Not according to Harry. They all stated that 417 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,800 she was not going to allow you guys in that home. He disgusted. 418 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:04,960 She discussed said that she would naturally. Alyssa maintained that Marilyn had given her 419 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,760 the house keys and permission to go into the house without being supervised, unfortunately 420 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,559 for her. As detectives began asking for details about how Alyssa got those house 421 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:25,559 keys, her story started to bullshit breakdown. I messaged her on Saturday morning 422 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:28,360 and said, I'm on my way. It was about night. I said, 423 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,760 well, either about an hour and I went picked up the key. 424 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:34,760 OK. So I just went in and started packing, and then Annie Andre 425 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,280 came and you know, we're loading up and stuff, and her brother, 426 00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:43,760 Marilyn's brother Harry, came to the house. Song yeah, and asked if 427 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,239 I had on Saturday and asked if I had seen Marylyn. When when the 428 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,039 last time was? And I said about ten this morning. I went picked 429 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:54,360 up the key. Alissa claimed that the last time she saw Marylyn was on 430 00:38:54,519 --> 00:39:00,480 Saturday morning, when Marilyn gave her the house keys. But police, you 431 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:07,760 that couldn't be because by Saturday morning, Marilyn was already dead. The woman 432 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,000 who saw Marylyn's body on the back road in Rio Rancho had spotted it on 433 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:20,119 Friday night during her commute home. Melissa Bickett was either lying or she'd gotten 434 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:24,760 her days mixed up. Of course, she claimed the latter when her impossible 435 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,079 story was pointed out to her, I mean, I'm confused. I don't 436 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,280 want to talk anymore. I don't want to even be here. How you're 437 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,320 sorry because she's gone and I didn't know this, you know, and I'm 438 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,920 sorry. It's like and then I'm here being accused of I don't even know 439 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,519 what we need to get down to me. And I mean, it's simply 440 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,000 because I can't think right now, and it's not unpaired. I probably will 441 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:54,119 say things that I don't remember, you know. And I know Friday was 442 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:57,519 the last time I didn't hear, but I've seen her in that robe, 443 00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,880 and I think I was just in my head fully making that I saw her 444 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,159 that morning, Okay, because I did see her Friday and that was the 445 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,760 last time I saw her. Alissa changed her story. Now, the last 446 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:15,239 time she saw Marylyn was on Friday, not Saturday. Okay. Fair enough. 447 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:20,679 Being questioned by the police about the death of a family member is a 448 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:28,159 high stress situation. It's entirely possible that Alyssa confused Friday for Saturday. But 449 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:35,760 there was something else that Alyssa could not explain, namely the large amount of 450 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:42,440 blood the cops found in her house. Would there be any reason that we 451 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,400 will find Marylyn's blood in Annie's room, I don't know. No, there 452 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,800 would be no reason I don't know. Is there going to be any reason 453 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480 if we pull that carpet up in that house there's going to be any of 454 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:59,960 Marilyn's blood on the carpet on me? I don't know. That should just 455 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,519 be a yes or no, that's not there shouldn't be any Okay, well 456 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:07,320 there is. Okay, So you're the renter of the home, if you 457 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,000 were the last person in the home, so that needs to be explained. 458 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:15,360 I don't know. Why is there blood on the walls of that house in 459 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:22,360 the carpet and Annie's you have no answer? Does not seem a little suspicious. 460 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,920 I don't know. I have Well, I haven't done anything. I 461 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,159 don't know of anybody doing anything. So we haven't done anything to her. 462 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,480 Who cleaned up the blood in the hallway, You guys didn't do a very 463 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,039 good job on the walls, because there's still bloods better on the walls, 464 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:40,400 very small, But she didn't do a very good job because we were able 465 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:46,199 to locate it. Eventually, the detectives made things very clear for Alyssa. 466 00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:52,119 They were trying to solve a murder case. It was a murder that almost 467 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:58,400 certainly happened in the home where Alyssa was living, and they knew that Alissa 468 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,280 was lying them. So you've told Detective Brown that the last time you saw 469 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,760 her was on Saturday mornings time. I lied because I wanted to see her 470 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,800 that morning and I didn't. Okay, No, you're lying now because you 471 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,840 know that we caught you in a lot. But I did nothing to her. 472 00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,920 I did nothing to her. Maybe you didn't, but I don't. 473 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,760 Well she's deceased. I'm sorry. Okay, how are your kids going to 474 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,519 feel when you would have trouble or promises of their grandfather? But I didn't 475 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:35,440 do it, so I will if I didn't. Okay, Well, if 476 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,920 these things, you didn't do it, I don't know. It was in 477 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,679 the residence that you're living, and none of us you have waiting together, 478 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,079 none of us did it. So now i'm talking anymore. And you said 479 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,760 I had that right, you do have that, So I will get an 480 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,199 attorney. After Alyssa was confronted with her lies and the blood in her house, 481 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,440 she asked for a lawyer, which effectively shut down this interview, but 482 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:07,679 the cops weren't done asking questions. Next, they turned to Alyssa's son, 483 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:14,440 Drake, who having recently been evicted from his mom's home, was now living 484 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:20,599 in a daze in hotel room with his girlfriend. Detectives met with Drake at 485 00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:24,480 the hotel and asked him about the last time he saw his grandmother. Drake 486 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:30,559 explained that he last saw Marilyn the day before she was reported missing, and 487 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:35,800 when he saw her, she was parked outside his house. Says Annie and 488 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,239 Alyssa were busy moving things out of the home. Annie and my mom and 489 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,599 my grandma were there, and then I just showed up with Nicky in the 490 00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,000 afternoon. I don't know exactly what's on. I'd say one pm, okay, 491 00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,880 one pm, me and Nicky go to the hotel because he says, 492 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,639 hey, your mom and Annie mee hell at movie so and I was like, 493 00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:58,639 okay, well, then I'll go there. And then we drove there 494 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,440 and then I go in to help him, and then my mom was like, 495 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,360 oh, your grandma's kicking us out, and I was like, oh 496 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,880 why because we don't have money for this place. And then I was like, 497 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,760 okay, we'll go talk to her and then I'll help you guys move 498 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,760 stuff out. So now I went out to the car and was like, 499 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,679 yo, are you kicking this out at what And she was like yeah, 500 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,599 And I was like, okay, well let me get this stuff out and 501 00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,639 then I'm staying at a hotel. I just wanted to let you know that. 502 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,679 She was like okay, by how did they make her mom feel? 503 00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:27,920 Oh? She was pretty upset. Yeah, she was really upset. What'd 504 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,800 she try? She She's just like, I don't know where I'm going to 505 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,519 stay and stuff like that. But I like, we told her that she 506 00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:38,880 stay at hotels with us, yeah, until we got a place. According 507 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,679 to Drake, after he helped his mom and Annie move a few things out, 508 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,280 he left. As he was leaving, he saw that Marylyn was still 509 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,039 parked outside the house. And then Friday, when you left, where was 510 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,039 Grandma still there? Still there? She was still there? And then we 511 00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:00,199 left, where was her car parked out from? And what did your mom 512 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,920 and Annie do when you left? Talk to him? They were just no, 513 00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:07,199 I was like, I'm leaving, and then they were like, okay, 514 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:12,800 well, well we gotta leaves into We're gonna put stuff in the stores 515 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,679 and then we'll meet you at the hotel. I was like, all right, 516 00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,159 I'll see you guys at okay. And then when did you see your 517 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:22,199 mom and Annie again? Whatever you read down town, did they say anything 518 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:28,360 too about anything that happened. No, I didn't think that there was anything 519 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,440 that had happened. You didn't know that your grandma was missing? No, 520 00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,679 I had no idea. I had seen her those two days and then that 521 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,239 was it as far as Drake knew. When he left the house that day, 522 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,400 his mom, his grandma, and Annie were still there and everyone was 523 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:52,639 still alive and breathing. Sadly, detectives had some bad news for Drake. 524 00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:01,559 Your grandma. We found her, but she's dead where well, we believe 525 00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:08,519 that it's suspicious. Okay, we think so someone killed her. Wait and 526 00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:15,840 I'm really sorry. Okay, how does that make you feel? What it 527 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:22,239 makes you feel? Sad? Very sad? So she's murdered or life is 528 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:28,760 she? She's just that someone murder her. So now telling you that, 529 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,559 knowing that, is there anything now that you think you may have seen or 530 00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:37,360 heard that you think? Okay, that's kind of out of the ordinary. 531 00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:42,360 Something that I saw or someone that I talked to, or a conversation. 532 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,199 I've never know. I haven't heard or seen anything. After Drake was made 533 00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:52,519 aware of the situation, detectives further explained that Alicia's story just wasn't adding up. 534 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:59,280 In other words, it was looking like Drake's mom had something to do 535 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:06,840 with the murder. Yeah, and I can tell you that mom's story isn't 536 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:15,400 matching up with your story or a key story and with yeah your mom, 537 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:21,199 Yeah, she's fine, she's being kicking true now and I believe there's a 538 00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,559 again at a time that you guys aren't with them. So as I was 539 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:28,039 asking, when they came back, was there anything that was like awkward that 540 00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:32,599 you noticed. No. According to Drake, when he met back up with 541 00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:38,920 his mom and Annie, he didn't notice anything strange or suspicious to him. 542 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,239 Aside from the fact that they had all just been evicted from their house and 543 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:52,159 essentially had nowhere to live, everything seemed finn Essentially, Drake was either unwilling 544 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,719 or unable to give the police any new information, but this wasn't the last 545 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,800 time that Drake would speak to cops. During the second interview with the detective, 546 00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:09,440 Drake made a startling admission like I'm gonna tell you the honesty. My 547 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:17,800 grandmother said, I'm too old, Will you please kill me? Do you 548 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,960 remember when she told you that m She told me, like a couple of 549 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:28,000 days to several days as I stayed with her, I was there and then 550 00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:32,440 she would be like depressed. You know, so you're saying that at some 551 00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,920 point your grandma asked you to kill her? Like she was like, yeah, 552 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,199 I get real tired at night and like I'm I want to die, 553 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:45,320 you know? So did you do that for her? Yeah. At this 554 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:52,480 point, detectives were extremely confident in their theory that Alyssa and Annie were involved 555 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:58,039 in murdering Marilyn Gander, But now Melissa's twenty year old son, Drake, 556 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:04,639 was taking soul responsibility for it. Perhaps he was just trying to protect his 557 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,599 mom from being charged with murder no noble. After Drake made this admission, 558 00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:20,559 he was arrested, but the investigation didn't stop there. The detectives remained determined 559 00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:27,800 to find out the truth, and eventually that truth came out. It turned 560 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:34,639 out that it wasn't just Alissa that killed Marilyn and burned her body. It 561 00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:43,880 wasn't just Annie or Drake either. Marilyn Gandered was murdered by all three of 562 00:49:43,920 --> 00:50:22,159 them. In June of twenty eighteen, twenty year old Drake Bickett confessed to 563 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:28,800 Albuquerque homicide detectives that he brutally murdered his own grandmother, sixty five year old 564 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:35,679 Marilyn Ganderd. According to Drake, his grandmother asked him to kill her, 565 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,719 and he graciously carried out her wishes, just like any decent grandson would. 566 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,559 So I was just like respect because I can understand. I don't know if 567 00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:49,760 you guys can understand, but I expect you guys to be able to understand. 568 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,079 If an old woman is like old in having to work for her children, 569 00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:58,800 right, then I'll do where she wants, you know, like, 570 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:05,039 how did you do it? Just essentially, that's it. That's all the 571 00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,920 information without a lawyer or a public defender I would like to share. Okay, 572 00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:14,320 So you don't want to talk anymore after that? Okay. After Drake 573 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,480 gave his confession, he was carted off to jail and did the standard purp 574 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:24,039 walk. This gave the local media an opportunity to put a camera in microphone 575 00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:29,119 in his face. Did you have anything to do with her death? Oh? 576 00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:30,599 Yes, she asked me to kill her. So she asked you to 577 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:35,559 kill her. How did you do it? I'm not gonna I don't know. 578 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,639 You don't know why. She mentioned that she was old, tired, 579 00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:43,079 so she wanted you to kill her. Did you burn her body? No? 580 00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,119 I have no idea. You don't know how she ended up burned. 581 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,840 Is there anything you would want to tell her or anyone else? Okay. 582 00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:54,280 Drake told the police and the media that he murdered his grandmother, but he 583 00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,239 was unwilling to provide any details about how he did it how her body ended 584 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:06,800 up being burned on a back road in Rio Rancho. Needless to say, 585 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:13,519 the police knew that there was a lot more to this story. In fact, 586 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,760 they didn't buy Drake's claim that Marilyn wanted to be killed. They believed 587 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:24,599 that Drake's mom, Melissa Bickett, and her friend Annie Rayal were responsible for 588 00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:30,360 the murder. When Alyssa was questioned and the detectives pointed out inconsistencies in her 589 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:37,760 story, she promptly asked for an attorney, and her interview came to an 590 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,880 end. Annie, on the other hand, did a lot more talking. 591 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,760 I feel like you guys are doing this because you feel like we did something 592 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:51,519 to Marly. Yes, we are investigating all homicides. Yeah, okay, 593 00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,079 and I just love why Marylyn was murdered without a doubt or we know that. 594 00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:00,960 Okay, evidence has been collected through a lot of it is pointing towards 595 00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:07,199 you and Alyssa. So you have one opportunity to give us society your side 596 00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:15,719 of the story. I'm telling you we didn't do anything. I am telling 597 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,320 you that, Okay. One of the main issues with Alyssa and Nannie's denials 598 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,679 was that Marylyn did not give them permission to enter the house they were being 599 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:30,840 evicted from unless Marylyn was there yet. Alissa had the keys to the house 600 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:38,320 when the cops first questioned her. She was there alone without Maryland. You 601 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:44,280 have not been permitted into that residence without Marilyn being there. Is that correct 602 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,119 me? Specifically, I don't anybody. She's the only one that has the 603 00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:55,760 keys. The keys, he right, So when did she obtain those keys? 604 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,079 I don't know if she got the keys. I don't know that. 605 00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:01,639 So well, she has the keys, you said, Lissa said she got 606 00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:08,119 the keys. She says she talked to Marilyn. She's that she Marilyn is 607 00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:14,000 giving us more time. That's what I was told, And I don't care 608 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,320 to ask questions. You don't think it's important, you know. All of 609 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,239 that's important is that we need to get their stuff out and clean the house. 610 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:28,000 That's what's important to me. The cops knew, or at least strongly 611 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:32,000 suspected, that Annie was lying, and perhaps the most telling thing about her 612 00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:38,039 interview was that she clearly wasn't taking the situation seriously. Don't talk to me, 613 00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:40,880 you know, don't talk to you. Yes, I don't know how. 614 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:46,400 I haven't treated you like they're stupid. I'm getting very bad like because 615 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,639 I'm getting upset that you expect me not to lie to you, but you're 616 00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:52,519 gonna sit over there and lie to me. I don't appreciate that you feel 617 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:58,760 that way because I'm explaining to you my situation. I don't know. I 618 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,960 don't know what to the Did you realize you're looking at be in charge with 619 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:07,599 the homicide? Does that not compute with you? And I'm trying my heart 620 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,960 to you that I to get it out of that. I get it, 621 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:17,039 okay, you obviously don't. Okay, you're Seneca riling and laughing, jopping 622 00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,119 because I know that we're going to be out of this fine because we have 623 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:29,159 done nothing wrong here, any feigned confidence, but the confidence was slowly broken 624 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:36,239 down as detectives started introducing physical evidence into the conversation. Annie owned and drove 625 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,880 a large pickup truck, which was perfect for transporting a dead body from Albuquerque 626 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,679 to Rio Rancho. As coincidence would have it, surveillance cameras captured Annie's truck 627 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:54,199 driving through Rio Rancho around the same time that Marilyn's body would have been dumped 628 00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:58,880 there. Do you like to offer oa because you have a nice truck? 629 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,840 I mean, you cannot that show. They literally told me not to travel 630 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,239 on the highway, So why Well, but you can go off road out 631 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:10,119 there and there's trails and there's roads and that, because only I don't do 632 00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:14,159 that. So why did you guys go out there? Then we went to 633 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,280 Walmart? What what are you asking me? Like? Hey, why did 634 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,920 we all that? Where? Okay? So here we went wrong and beyond 635 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,039 back to the house. Hey, your truck went beyond Walmart and you guys 636 00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:36,280 went west? You a west of answer for something? No? Because Annie's 637 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,559 truck was spotted near where Maryland's body was found, the cops decided to search 638 00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:46,440 it, and Annie seemed pretty confident that they wouldn't find anything incriminating. But 639 00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:51,079 we are going to process the vehicle for any kind of evidence inside the vehicle. 640 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:55,000 Okay, okay? Is there going to be any reason that Maryland's DNA 641 00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:00,840 is going to be inside that vehicle? Unsurprisingly, the police did find Maryland's 642 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:07,599 DNA in the bed of Annie's truck, along with a few other things. 643 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:12,280 Court documents show. Five days later, investigators find blood in the bed of 644 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,639 that truck, along with Maryland's purse, medications, pants, and keys to 645 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:22,000 her car. Obviously, Alyssa and Annie weren't criminal masterminds. Jesus, these 646 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:27,079 people couldn't even figure out how to pay their fucking rent. They committed this 647 00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:34,760 murder and then did an absolutely horrible job of covering it up. Not only 648 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,079 did the cops find Maryland's blood in the back of Annie's truck, but they 649 00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:43,599 also found a whole bunch of Maryland's blood in Annie's bedroom. Is there going 650 00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,440 to be any reason that a large blood of Maryland's is going to be in 651 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:52,679 the house? I'm sorry, okay. And if we do locate a lot, 652 00:57:54,599 --> 00:58:00,920 why would you locate any would kim specifically maybe in your bedroom? Mhm? 653 00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:06,039 Okay? And when we do, because we have okay, what's going 654 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:13,760 to be the answer to the same. You don't know we've been together just 655 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,800 because you've been together, because I mean, you can't commit a crime together, 656 00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:24,039 right, there's blood in your real Okay, how did it get there? 657 00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:32,519 I don't know. Okay, I've never lived in It's a lot. 658 00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:39,480 Yeah, I just I guess I expect people believing the easy. We are 659 00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,800 moving out of that place. We're trying to do it in peace. We're 660 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,760 not doing wrong here. You guys see what you need to do. Okay. 661 00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:54,679 When faced with the facts, and he just denied everything, which wasn't 662 00:58:54,719 --> 00:59:05,159 exactly a sound strategy. The physical evidence was just overwhelming and detectives made that 663 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,960 very clear. Unfortunately, all the evidence is pointing towards you. I mean, 664 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,119 if that's how, I don't know what else to say. I can't. 665 00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:19,760 I'm not gonna say that I seen something that I didn't or I was 666 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,199 a part of it, wasn't There's I mean, but there's if you didn't 667 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,119 do something wrong, then you know what happened and you saw it, and 668 00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:32,000 you know who did and you saw part of this. There's absolutely no way. 669 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,360 There's no way Annie that you don't know what happened, and that you 670 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:44,000 didn't see someone cleaning cleaning up blood. Yes, and then your trust see 671 00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:50,360 that your truck was your truck. You were on traffic cameras where we found 672 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,760 the body. Like, I feel like you need to explain it, Well, 673 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:59,159 I don't. I can't because I don't. I didn't see anything. 674 01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:02,119 If I'm going to feel this way that you guys are trying to switch it 675 01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:07,400 up on me, I'm going to even talk at this point because I'm telling 676 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,039 you I'm not lying. And they asked you to help me rid of the 677 01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:20,920 body. Despite the evidence. Annie denied any involvement with the murder, but 678 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,400 in the end it didn't matter. The cops had more than enough to put 679 01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:34,159 both Annie and Alyssa behind bars, and they started with Alyssa. And do 680 01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:37,519 you know why you're here today? No? Yeah, okay, So the 681 01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,239 reason I brought you down or had you arrested is I have an active Warren 682 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:46,199 or restaurant for the murder of Maryland. Okay, so that's going to take 683 01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:51,719 a little while and then you'll be booked into the Metropolitan Detention Center. I'm 684 01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:54,760 sorry, Why am I booked for murder? I didn't do it? So 685 01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,000 okay, Well that's what the arrestaurarm is for Okay, do you have any 686 01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:05,239 questions for me? At this point, you speak to somebody, a lawyer. 687 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,119 In May of twenty eighteen, Elssa Bickett was officially arrested and charged with 688 01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:17,039 the murder of Marilyn Gander. A short time later, detectives also formally charged 689 01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:22,400 her friend, Annie Rayelle. So, do you know why you're here today? 690 01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:28,239 Okay? So the reason you're here today is I have an active arrest 691 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:34,800 warrant for you for the murder of Maryland. Okay. So at this point, 692 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,440 you're being charged with an open count of murder, conspiracy to commit murder, 693 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:45,320 tampering with evidence, and conspiracy to temper with evidence. Okay. Months 694 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:52,039 later, and perhaps after learning the full extent of the potential consequences they were 695 01:01:52,159 --> 01:02:00,000 facing, both Alissa and Annie decided to confess, though their respective stories didn't 696 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:07,719 quite match up. According to Alissa, Annie was the primary aggressor and the 697 01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:13,840 one that set Marilyn's murder into motion. So Marilyn, you know, she's 698 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,239 sitting in her car and then she was coming in because she needed to use 699 01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:19,679 a restaurant drink, and it's like, look at my mom, can't this 700 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,960 is our house. Can't we just stay here when study in our own beds? 701 01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:28,360 And she said no, and so he was crying and we left out 702 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,159 the back door. I stayed in my room, and at that point I 703 01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:37,639 did hear Marilyn Yale, and I went out there and Annie's on her back. 704 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:44,159 She's on the ground. So Marilyn's on the ground in her back. 705 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,159 Oh, she's only in her back. And okay. I tied up her 706 01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:52,760 hands and legs and I helped her put this bag over her head. Do 707 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,400 you remember what you did it with? What you tied her up with. 708 01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:59,239 Yeah, it was like phone cords and stuff like that. Then there's other 709 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,440 one that Annie gets floating around her, and I hear this snaw that I 710 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,519 don't know if it's the corn. I'm just like, I gotta go. 711 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:13,000 Alissa explained that during an argument with Marilyn about the rent money and eviction, 712 01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:22,400 and he unexpectedly attacked her. Then Alyssa and Annie beat, stabbed, and 713 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:30,079 suffocated Marilyn to death. After she was dead, they loaded her body into 714 01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:37,400 the back of Annie's truck and drove north toward Rio Rancho. Alyssa admitted that 715 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:43,159 after they stopped on a somewhat desolate back road, they unloaded a mattress and 716 01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:49,400 placed Marilyn's body on top of it. Then Alyssa poured gasoline on the body 717 01:03:50,239 --> 01:03:55,039 and lit it on fire. For detectives, Alyssa's version of events somewhat aligned 718 01:03:55,679 --> 01:04:01,840 with what they believed happened. This is just my and I think that the 719 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:09,199 argument ensued over the rent or whatever, and frustration started, and it just 720 01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:15,039 happened. It wasn't planned, it wasn't intentional. Something happened. And whether 721 01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:20,039 it was straight or whether it was whom I actually kind to think of, 722 01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:26,280 shoot, but whoever, Oh shit, look what we just did. It 723 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,280 got out of control. Now we need to get rid of the body. 724 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,400 The detectives believed that the murder was not planned, and that it happened in 725 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:43,400 a moment of desperation and anger, a moment where you lose control of your 726 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,360 emotions, a moment where you're faced with the weight of the world on your 727 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:53,920 shoulders and you just snap and do something really, really, really stupid. 728 01:04:54,559 --> 01:05:01,199 And now there's even more consequences facing you. There's even more problems ahead. 729 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:09,360 Unless you eliminate what you just did, unless you erase it, unless you 730 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:16,760 erase this person you've assaulted. It can happen so very quickly, and lives 731 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:24,760 are changed forever. It's an incredible story, but it's too bad that it's 732 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:30,079 all bullshit according to Annie. That is, you see when Annie decided to 733 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:35,760 confess, she revealed that the murder was in fact premeditated. And then when 734 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:43,960 Drake fought there, we all were in a Lista's room getting high. That's 735 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:51,400 pretty much when oh So like she had brought it up before about Jane Man, 736 01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,960 I still didn't think we were going to do it, like, and 737 01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:01,320 Marilyn was coming in. Drake was like, can you just let us stay? 738 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:09,480 Look at my mom happy? She was like no. Alissa looked at 739 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,760 me and Drake and nodded, And I looked at Drake and he started like 740 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:19,960 walking behind Marilyn, and I got Marilyn and from behind and took her down. 741 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:27,400 Annie explained that after she took Marylyn to the ground, Alyssa and her 742 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:32,639 son Drake helped to tie Marilyn up. Then they wrapped a plastic bag over 743 01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:38,679 Marilyn's head, beat her with a baseball bat, and stabbed her to death. 744 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:45,000 One major difference in Alissa's and Annie's stories involved Drake. According to Alyssa, 745 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:50,719 Drake let the house before the murder happened. But in Annie's version, 746 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:56,800 Annie, who you know, probably doesn't give a shit about Drake, Drake 747 01:06:57,079 --> 01:07:02,639 was the one that finished Marilyn off by slitting her throat. Like mother like 748 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:09,000 son. I guess the son doesn't fall far from the murderous mother tree or 749 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:12,760 something like that. I don't know, Maybe I should be a shirt anyway. 750 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:17,719 Ultimately, the detectives determined that Annie's confession was a more accurate telling of 751 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:23,199 the events, and that Alyssa was probably trying to protect her son from a 752 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:31,079 murder conviction. She was unsuccessful in that pursuit. After detectives finalized their investigation 753 01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:38,519 and handed things off to prosecutors, Drake, Alissa, and Annie all faced 754 01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:44,639 murder charges. All three of them decided not to take their respective cases to 755 01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:49,480 trial, and they all pled guilty. Alyssa was sentenced to thirty years in 756 01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:56,079 prison, Drake got twenty six, and Annie was given a reduced sentence of 757 01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:02,320 twelve for her willingness to cooperate. You could say that justice has been served, 758 01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:09,800 but for Maryland's friends and family, and specifically for her brother, that 759 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:17,279 justice comes as a small consolation. Harry Gandert continues to live with the tragic 760 01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:24,119 loss of his sister and the realization that Marylynd's final moments alive must have been 761 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:32,359 absolutely horrifying and incredibly painful. She was just a very kind person, and 762 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:38,680 she didn't deserve anything like this. It's a useless thing that my sister was 763 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:44,680 killed. I mean, that was for no reason. Actually, Marilyn Gandert 764 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:53,039 was so brutally murdered by these three people that she knew that she was kind 765 01:08:53,079 --> 01:09:00,920 to in many ways that they probably didn't deserve. The mastermind behind that murder, 766 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,279 if you can even call her that, was Marilyn's daughter in law, 767 01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:11,159 Alyssa Bikett. For most of her life, Alyssa was given a place to 768 01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:15,039 live for free. Her husband and mother in law provided that for her. 769 01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:21,600 But when the time came for Alyssa to provide for herself, she lashed out 770 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:30,359 and decided to do something truly horrific. Alissa felt entitled, She felt that 771 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:38,439 Marilyn owed her a home. When Marilyn refused to give Alyssa what she wanted, 772 01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:45,600 Alyssa planned and carried out her murder, and perhaps worst of all, 773 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:51,479 she made her own son, kill his grandmother, and now he's spending decades 774 01:09:51,680 --> 01:10:00,600 of his life behind bars. Ironically, Alyssa was able to avoid paying rent, 775 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:08,800 and you and I are the beneficiary of that privilege. Beneficiary or benefactor, 776 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:13,399 what's the what's the right word for that? Anyway, Alissa has a 777 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,520 you know, respectable, decent place to live now, still for the rest 778 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:24,000 of her life, still doesn't have to pay rent. For the next thirty 779 01:10:24,079 --> 01:10:29,479 years, she'll have a free roof over her head. She'll be given three 780 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,960 square meals a day, and she won't have to pay for any of it. 781 01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:40,359 Though I doubt her accommodations are what she was hoping for. Who knows, 782 01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:45,199 I mean, I hear prisons these days have free basic cable and even 783 01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:51,399 some restricted Internet access. Doesn't sound quite that bad compared to the nine to 784 01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:58,800 five cubicle life. If you ask me, if Alyssa's fate tells us anything 785 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:05,720 gives us any sort of lesson whatsoever, it proves that a sense of entitlement 786 01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:13,239 can be a very dangerous thing. As much as we might not want to 787 01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:16,920 admit it, there is at least a little bit of entitlement in all of 788 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:24,520 us, So try and be sure to keep yours in check. And remember 789 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:30,840 that nobody owes you anything, not your mother in law, not some true 790 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:39,840 crime podcast producer, nobody owes you a fucking thing. So if you want 791 01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:44,439 something, you're going to have to do the work. You're gonna have to 792 01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,920 go out there and just like in the old days, you're gonna have to 793 01:11:48,960 --> 01:12:05,119 earn it. Oh one more thing before we go. Uh. If you 794 01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:10,520 want to get any of the schnanzzynew merch over at store dot sortnscale dot com, 795 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,760 make sure you go to sortinscale dot com first, log in with your 796 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,760 Plus membership and click the store link on the top of the page so that 797 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:23,359 you get your discount. It will be automatically applied at checkout as long as 798 01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:26,279 you click that link. All right, that's gonna do it. Until next 799 01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:50,039 time. Stay safe. Hey there, this is Jenny from Tacoma. This 800 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:54,960 is a message for Gerty Gertie. You are a goddess. I am appalled 801 01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:59,319 to find that people are giving you trouble. For all of you out there 802 01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:02,399 who are know who you are. This is a community of sassholes, not 803 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:08,159 assholes, so please give reready of break and praiser. All right, thanks 804 01:13:08,199 --> 01:14:04,600 for everything. Have a good day to