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This is Later with Lee Matthews the
Lee Matthews Podcast More What You Here Weekday

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Afternoon's on the Drive. Don Harris
Shirling is an MD who specializes as internal

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medicine and also an author and works
out the rampant diet related misinformation that is

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out there to try to simplify it, and in her new book she does

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it in a book called Eat Everything, How to Ditch Additives and Emultifiers,

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Healed your Body and Reclaim the joy
of Food. And as I understand this,

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Dawn, this came out of your
own battle with irritable bowel syndrome.

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It is so after the birth of
my second child, I started struggling with

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the symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome and
I thought, well, my body had

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changed and I just need to deal
with it. And so it was taking

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up a lot of time, a
lot of time in the bathroom. We

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won't get into that, but you
know, I was pretty miserable, still

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plugging ahead, like fifteen to twenty
percent of Americans actually do, actually do

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have this problem. And a trip
to Italy that I got to take with

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my family changed my thinking about it
a little bit because when I was in

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Italy. I did not have this
problem at all. And I remembered hearing

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from my patients who told me that
when they travel to some countries that have

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a whole food based kind of eating
patterns, they didn't have the same kind

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of problems that they had back here
in the US. And so it really

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reframes my thinking around what I was
eating here in the US. I've experienced

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a little of this myself because I
like to cook. And one of the

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things that I've recently discovered is with
the new gadgets that are out like souvied

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and the pressure cookers, I can
make my own refried beans, my own

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baked beans, red beans. I've
rediscovered the beauty of beans. I didn't

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realize what I was missing in terms
of the protein, how much it makes

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me feel so much better, and
the dietary fiber that's in them. Oh,

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beans are great, and those and
those pressure cookers are really great because

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they can make something from dried beans
to fully cooked in an hour. Yeah,

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and you'll worry about cooking them all
day. So I agree with you.

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And beans are great because they do
have that natural fiber and what I

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talk about in my book, what's
really important is that that fiber come from

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whole food. We need fiber,
We need it to nourish our guts,

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to nourish those creatures in our guts
that we call the microbiome. But we

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need to make sure that we're getting
it as much as possible from whole real

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food. Well, and that's that's
the point I was making. Yeah,

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sure, I could go down to
the store and get canned beans. I

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could get canned refried beans, but
they've been processed to the point where they

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don't taste as good. And I
gotta believe the homemade is better for you.

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So homemade is the way to go
if we can't. Yeah, so,

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I and being a cook is great, And unfortunately a lot of us

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have lost the knowledge of how to
cook and how to cook quickly and efficiently

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because we're all so busy. We're
also overburdened and overstressed and overscheduled. And

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if we can't do things quickly and
efficiently, they can't get done, they

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can't fit into our lives. So
knowing how to cook and being an efficient

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home cook is great. But I
don't want to discourage people who aren't home

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cooks. There are short cuts,
there are things that we can do to

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minimize the amount of ultra processed food, even if our cooking skills aren't quite

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up to par. Eat everything,
how to ditch additives and emulsi fires and

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heal your body and reclaim the joy
of food. We're talking to doctor Don

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Harris Shirling about this new book,
and you really do have I mean a

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little bit of everything, even bread, pasta, ice cream can be included.

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Absolutely. The issue is not the
whole food. We have spent a

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lot of time and a lot of
energy and a lot of years demonizing whole

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food, real food. My take
in my experience, my experience with myself

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and with my patient, is that
it's for most of us, not the

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whole food, not the minimally processed
food. It is the additives, the

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multifiers, and the sickeners that are
going into these ultraprocessed products, which by

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the way, now make up nearly
sixty percent of the standard American diet.

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And it's these things that are leading
to a lot of the health problems like

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blood sugar issues, statty liver,
irritable bowl and a whole host of other

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things. And if we can get
those out of our diets and go back

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to enjoying real food again, it
can make a big difference in our health.

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This is the conflict lovely wife and
I have. Certainly she enjoys my

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cooking, but when she is watching
what she eats, she goes to these

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pre prepared meals, usually because okay, they're already they're already portioned out.

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But we got to watch out for
some of those pre proportioned meals because are

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they the ones that are more apt
to have those additives and things you just

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discussed they are, So I advocate
being a big label reader for whatever you're

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eating. If you can get pre
made items that make your life easier,

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if you're having certain dietary concerns that
you want to follow, and it makes

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your life easier, great, But
please please please check those ingredients and make

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sure particularly that the additives that I
talk about in my books are not in

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those food items. Don't trust the
front of the packages. Don't trust words

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like organic and natural and handmaids.
Those are advertising words. Turn the package

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over, look at those ingredients,
and make sure when you look at those

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ingredients that you can pick in your
mind's eye what those things look like in

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nature. If you are not able
to picture what karaghenin and zanthan gums look

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like in nature, and I certainly
can't then still't need it. So that's

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simple, and you can have a
little bit of everything, just don't eat

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all of it. Has always kind
of been my philosophy, exactly right.

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I had a friend say to me
the other day, well, you know,

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I got a whole pint of ice
cream without additives in it, and

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I ate it because I'm doing what
you said. I'm like, no,

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no, no, all eat everything
all at once, right, So we

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want to be able to eat everything
that's whole foods and minimally process foods.

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But in moderation, we can eat
butter a small amount, we can eat

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sugar a small amount and not demonize
those food items, for it's a damage

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that the additives are doing. At
the same time, Yes, you have

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to follow your moms in your grandmothers
and your great grandmother's, your great grandfather's

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advice and all things in moderation.
We're talking with a doctor, doctor don

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Harry shirling Of. She's a She
specializes in internal medicine and her newest book

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is Eat Everything, How to Ditch
Additives and Emulsifiers Heal your Body. And

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reclaim the joy of food. I
salute you for bringing this to our attention

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because we are eating better and we
are cooking better as Americans, but there's

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still a lot of shortcuts being taken. And I am not opposed to shortcuts.

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I am into shortcuts. I am
into making things easy. We want

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things to be easy. But we
have to find a way to get these

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ultra processed foods out of our diet
because the data is showing that as hard

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as we're trying, and it's as
much money as we're spending on trying to

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eat healthy, we are falling behind
in this country on expectancy, on rates

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of obesity, on rates of diabetes. And the way to kind of catch

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up and the way to improve our
health, amongst other things, is to

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get rid of these ultra processed foods. We can find shortcuts that aren't ultra

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process and that's what I talk about
in my books, and the book is

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Eat Everything. Don Harris Shirley,
MD, thank you for joining us.

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I'm off to plans and lunch.
Thank you so much. Thanks for listening

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