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I just need to talk into the microphone louder. I guess see if you
guys hear me. Now, Hey, good evening everyone, Thanks for joining
us tonight. Pretty fun stream lined up for you tonight special shout out to
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So appreciate you guys. Appreciate you guys being in here and joining us tonight.
Let me see. Let me get over to the correct screen here and
I'm gonna show you guys right there where we go. Okay, So I
put some new stuff on the I did this website two days ago. I
think I put my long sleeve t shirts and hoodies back up on the website.
I usually take those down during the winter, during the summer months,
and so I put some back back up because it's getting into winter. It's
not cold yet. It's in the sixties in Texas, so that's not cold.
I might have worn a lone sleeve shirt a couple of times in the
last week or two. I might have done that early in the morning,
and then i'd take it off by like lunchtime. But I did restock the
ed fong antenna's here. We've got a brand new shipment of roll up jpoles
that just arrived on Friday, so updated the website yesterday. I already sold
a couple of those, so those are in there ready to go. And
then, like I've said the last week or so, gigaparts has a permanent
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as I mentioned, I started mentioning this a couple of weeks ago. We're
building up the email list. I've got eighteen thousand ish subscribers now. Thank
you to all of you who watched my Friday video. I had a lot
of people join the email list after the Friday video. I get people dropping
off the email list, so it's grown, but it hadn't grown as fast
as what you might have thought it was because every time one or two people
joined, like every time like four or maybe five people join, one personal
drop off. So it kind of goes in ebbs and flows like that.
But once we get to twenty thousand subscribers, we are going to give it
away a new HF radio on the channel. I haven't decided what that's going
to be yet, but we're going to do something, and it's going to
be given away to one the twenty thousand subscribers on the email list. That's
how we're gonna divvy it up there. So more to come on that later.
I suspect it will be a few months before we do that, but
I'm looking forward to it should be a fun time. And yeah, I
go sign up on the email list ham Radio two dot com forward slash email
dash sign up. All right, let's get uh, let's get ape in
here. And I saw Frank just join the chat as well. And let
me make sure I'm clicking on the right screen. Yeah, I guess that
one right there, And you guys are unmuted. What's going on? Listen?
I don't remember Frank being part of the deal. Oh, no,
Mike keyboard. It's uh yeah, yeah. Frank's kind of like one of
those things that he's like, you know when you we invite your buddy over
and he brings his wife with him, and you're like, yeah, well,
what is that a kimono you're wearing, Frank or is that a it's
an awesome over sir? All right? Uh looking good, looking good?
Yeah, I'm kind of like the style. Oh hell you're getting there.
I guess it's good. See again, Yeah, I love it. I
love it. Yep. Uh don infe n five s KT says, when
are the ham radio tube shirts coming after the k Demurdy radio stuff shirts sell
out? Well, those are all print on demand, so they're really never
going to sell out. But I think Mike has his own his new logo
shirts on his own website. Now I need to check with him and see,
uh what he wants me to do with the old logos. But technically
you can still get those. I actually looked on trying to like print a
shirt like this with some logos on it. It's yeah, it's it's hard
because because I was I wanted to like the like to be the pattern all
of it down, not just one or two of them. I've seen those
ones where you can do somebody's face or your dog's face or something like that
on the shirt and they print them all over it. You might be able
to do that with your logo. I don't know that's what they want my
face back? Yeah, the way they can't see it right right right,
Jason, what I'm one away away away? Subscribe? I am going to
give away something on my stream. What are you gonna give away? Frank?
Oh? The one thing I did let slip or slide is a K
six a ARK Intenda that I still have, So it's a kid. I
am going to give that away. I said I was going to give away
live if I hit four thousand before I hit the end button. If I
had one of those antennas, I'd give it away too. I don't than
you're nine to one right, Hey, the K six A RK inten you
know what. Both of those intendas are good, but the K six R
K is quite more rare. You can get a car intended pretty much anytime
you want to, and they're that big. Yeah that I don't know.
I'm not I'm not saying anything bad or negative about that. Dude. Run
we run out of them all the time. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah,
you guys just were stocking more than Adam does. Yeah. Well we
just ordered like five miles of wire and you'd be shocked at how fast that
stuff goes. Oh my goodness. I think Chuck strips it down and sells
the copper though. I mean the I I had. I was trying to
tune mine before Kyle and I went on our Poto robe. I was going
to use that antenna and announce it and I couldn't get my like I would
connect it to the to the rig expert and it said please connect it in
aneutenna, Like nothing was there. So I took a picture of it and
I sent it to Chuck. He's like, oh, you missed a solder
spot here. I'm like, okay, yeah, he should. He showed
me. He showed me the pick just to get a second opinion on it.
Yeah, so we haven't that. I've been tried to. Uh,
there it is, Frank. Congrats, Frank, congrats, Frank. That's
cool. Four thousand, that's awesome. Yeah, this is amazing. I
uh I, I I soldered that spot on there, but I have not
tried to tune it. Again, yet I need to do that. That's
one of those things where you should make it a little uh a little a
little dummy load for where that way you can put it on there and just
tune it with the rigg. Yeah huh yeah, yeah, that's a good
idea. I think I have one. I think I have one actually cool.
All right, so we're gonna be looking at I've got I've had this
thing plugged in and charging. It's got its own little internal battery. Pull
that out of there. This is tiny tiny essay aptly named the Tiny Essay.
In fact, I want to zoom down on that at touch and see
if I can get a little bit a little bit better. Yeah, okay,
you guys bear with me a second here. Uh let's go yeah,
let's go back here. But I'm going to do this real quick because I
just want to get a little bit better view on the actual essay. There.
Okay, there we go. So I've got this here, this is
the Tiny Essay it comes from. I mean, you can get up a
lot of places. You can get them on Amazon. I got mine from
RNL Electronics. I've said a bunch of times on the channel check RNL every
day. He has daily specials up there. I don't know what the guitar
pick is for ape so's they use it as a stylust, but I don't
like it. I use okay, but these stylist is like these little okay,
I might not have another stylist here with me. My fingers are too
fat. But like you could use like a pencil eraser if you got a
pencil. I've got a I've got a pen with the stylus on the end
of it that I usually use, but I don't think I have it here
right now. How about just dropped it on the ground. How about one
of the pens that you know, the electronic stylus. It should work,
right, You could drive that over there real quick, frank, right right.
And it comes with these two these two cables here with SMA mails on
both ends. And then it comes with this little antenna thing here that's I
guess kind of neat. I don't know what that's. If you you can
put that antenna on there, and then that way you can use the sniffer
around for RFI and stuff. It'll like a detector. Then yeah, and
like kee with the next version, the Ultra, it has a headphone Jack
on there, so you can actually use the antenna and then listen to radio
stations and stuff like that on there. It's kind of crazy. Oh okay,
yeah, it hurts, it is. That's the case. It is
everything that's going into the to the SMA connector, right, okay, okay,
oh yeah, h mun till it hurts. Yeah, okay. So
we got this, We got this ten attenuator off of and this is off
of Amazon as well, and we're gonna put that on one side and put
put the radio on the other side. So I grabbed and I can go
grab a couple more radios. I've got a couple more over there, but
I grabbed the tried and true fang. This is actually that. This is
actually a UV five R three. This is the Triban version, has two
twenty on it, and I have my FT sixty five here. So we've
got a we've got a cheap radio and a and a cheap Japanese radio.
So that might be something good there, but we need to do some setup
on it. Eight tells me. So, yeah, hey, you're showing
that, yea, su U. I love ya, Sue. I think
they're fantastic radios. But yes, I was talking to a reasonably good person
with credibility, and he told me they're made by any tone, and uh,
he would know, so I was I was a little surprised by that.
I think that I don't okay. So the box when I got this
radio, this FT sixty five, the box clearly said and made in China,
and I thought, that's weird. It's a Yesu radio. It's made
in China. About I don't know. Six eight months after that, something
like that, I had John on the show. We were talking about probably
the ftd X ten when it was new, or maybe the FT two hundred,
one of those, one of a new radio. We were talking about
a new radio, and he said, recently, Yazu moved everything back to
Japan. So if you if you bought an FT sixty five from whatever date
that was forward, it would say made in Japan on it. I don't
know, I've heard that before, and I don't know if that's true anymore.
At one point in time, I think that was true. I don't
know if the newer stuff is still made by any tone. But well,
I knew that there were some that were made in China, and it bounced
back and forth. But here's the thing that hole made in that That could
just be the radio gets built somewhere and then the sticker gets put on in
the in the final country. So that's right or international law on that's a
little little sketch, it is it is. And yeah, the whole made
in the USA thing. I was talking to Battleborn Batteries at an overlanding show
last year and they said, well, they can't put made in the USA
because several of their parts inside of the battery are sourced from Indonesia, China,
whatnot. So they put assembled in the USA on their on their batteries
and these are battle Born or some of the best highest price batteries you can
find out there. And but they were they said that they were starting to
build a factory. This was like a year and a half ago. They
were starting they were going to build a factory inside the USA to start making
these cells that you could only source from China, so that they could actually
put the maid in the USA. But there's some stringent laws around that.
But what John told me about the whole maid in China with the FT sixty
five, He's like, it depends on where in the in the assembly line.
It goes. So if the last place it was assembled, you've made
all the parts in Japan, you send China, got as symbled in China.
They put made in China in the box. So yeah, I don't
know. It's it's six one half does the other? I think? So,
yeah, I could care less because the any Tone radios are fantastic.
So that's where they are. Yes, some of my favorite Chinese radios are
the any Tone and the walk Zone radios or however you want to say that
today. But yeah, I mean agree. If it saves me fifty bucks
on a sixty five, then right I have added, Yeah, totally totally.
All right, let's see. Okay, there's some setup we gotta do
here. I'm gonna put my glasses on so I can actually see what I'm
doing, So tell me where, tell me what to do on here?
All right? The first thing you want to do is you want to take
one of those SMA cables that you had, and then you want to connect
it to the two ports. The port on the top is called the high
port. The portal on the bottom is called the low port. And that's
because they send and receive signals at different frequencies, right, right, and
I guess one's higher on the device than the other. I don't know.
Yeah, I mean it kind of makes sense that the high port is high
poort the high port. But you know, well what the that O,
V and a's like. You'll see them called port one in port two or
channel zero and channel one and S one and S S one one and S
two one. It's the labeling on these things is all over the map.
That's Chinese ingenuity for you. But okay, done, Now you gotta you
want to connect them together with the you can use one, just use one
to connect both of them, or you can connect them together with that little
barrel. Dow hiccus, oh to the uh for is this for the is
this for like the calibration? Yeah, so the first thing we're gonna do
is run a self test on it, and it should pass the self test,
no problem. Then after that we run a calibration and you don't have
to do that every time you run it. Right, Yeah, this is
brand new out of the box. I actually had this thing for a while,
but I've never used it. So, Bob, there we go.
What's bob? Which way? Hamah? What's up? Dud? Okay?
All right, we're connected, all right. And then if you hit the
menu, so if you tap anywhere on it, you should get the you
should get the menu, yep. And and then you want to go to
config and then under that you'll see self test. Okay, oops, come
on, Yeah, that little job button is super super sensitive. It is
Okay, it's doing something. I can see they're passing. Yeah, yeah,
it's yeah. Test one pass pass past. So when you got this
one, it was before they started getting cloned all over the place. And
rn L is uh is a good a good supplier for Nanovna's and tiny essays.
But one of the things is that the clones will actually pass all the
self tests until you update the firmware with legitimate firmware. Then they'll start failing
on them. So if anybody out there updates the firmware and they start failing,
you probably got a fake. Yeah, okay, good to know,
Good to know. Okay, No, I can't see what that says at
the bottom, but touch touch screen to continue, all right. All right,
So the next thing we want to do is we want to do the
calibration, and so then you want to go back to config and then under
there you should see something that says level cow level cow. Oh come on,
oh yeah, there it is, okay, and so what that's what
I can't see? What that I can't read that It says calibrate, reset,
calibration or back. You want to go to calibrate? Yeah, it's
the first option. Yeah. And then if you if it ever acts,
goofy. What I'll do is I'll reset the calibration and then and then run
the self test then do the exact same stuff again. Okay. And so
what's happening now is that that higher port is ejecting a signal and the low
port's picking it up and it's going to be off. And so what it's
doing now is adjusting itself to the signal. At the top it says calibration
complete at the bottom. There you go, man, okay, So what
you what you want to do now is you want to unscrew the cable from
the top port. You're good to go there, okay, M Frank you
watching the chat? Yes, sir? I am one comment real fast?
Can you increase your audio level? Me? Yes? Or you or you're
working on it? You're moving away from the mic? Yeah, I move
away from the mic when I need to uh well, hold on, yeah,
I can do that. Hold up. Okay, that should be a
little bit better. Should be a little bit better right there. But yeah,
I was. I had changed some stuff for the for Kyle's livestream the
other night, so I was, I thought I put it back pretty close
to where it was. They want me to put miss blaining glasses on.
So right, okay, all right, good, all right, so hit
the menu and then just back out of that. There you're good, You're
good. Okay, all right, So what we want to do now is
we want to hook up the attenuator and so the s M a male side,
so that's the one that there you go, That is the ind So
that's the one you want facing the radio, gotcha? Okay, So goes
on the high side. No, no, no, you're gonna get to
the cable going into the low. We're done with the high port for right
now. So Joe Brett, what's up, Jim. Joe Brett was having
a heck of a time with one of his showing like he was running the
thing and you could see the harmonics, but the labeling wasn't right on the
values, and so we troubleshot that thing. Forever, and I'd said,
just send it to me and we'll test it out and see if we can
figure it out. And then too started having the exact same problem and working
on with to it turned out that they're forty dB attenuators are bad. Really,
yeah, So these things can be sensitive if you send a power the
wrong direction. Some attenuators are fine by direction only some of them aren't.
And the other one is is that if you put too much juice through these
for too long, you might get a little bit of a of a problem
there. So I did a video on how to test your anator if anybody
out there is not saying it. So like when yeah, when we pushed
five watts into the tiny essay, it should read about negative. It should
it should read about thirty seven dBm. So gbm is is a decibel in
reference to a millible, And so that's the that's the metrics that we typically
use. Now I'll show you how you can actually test watts on this thing
too, which is pretty nice. By around thirty seven is where you want
it to be for five watts, and there's just reading like like three or
four watts or three or four dBm. It's like nah, borrow, that
ain't right? And then and then so now you you want to just supposed
to be thirty seven, it was three to four. Yeah. Wow,
that's like that's way off. Yeah. Yeah. So now you want to
hook the attenuator into your radio? Okay? Uh, you want to do
the fang first? Do you want to do the sure? Man? We
do the fang first. And then when you power the radio up, you
want to set it to I always set it to one for six five two,
just because it's a super common frequency. Did I miss it? Or
did we also tune it or or calibrate it with the attenuator in line?
Is the Now you don't want you don't want to do that. So it's
not like a tiny essay. I mean, I'm sorry. It's not like
a nano V and A. It's not like yeah, okay, all right,
good, So there we go right there. Now, turn that baby
on and set it for one four six five two. No, I think
I didn't hear the bellfang lady. Did you hear the bell? Fang lady?
Frank has it turned off? I probably do? Have it turned off?
There it is, and then just check your power level on that.
So we know what we're working with. We're on high all right, we
went on high. Yeah it's fine, yeah, okay, assuming that the
tenuators crat yeah yeah sure. Video. I don't know if this is one
of those wish dot com one hundred and fifty white bowel things. What happens
to a tenuary, Well, it's going to get past that. So what
we what we want to do is a lot of folks like you can you
can keep up right now and you'll see uh the you'll see the fundamental frequency
and you also see some other stuff on there. I can tell you right
now that doesn't look good. And but so go ahead and on key it.
And so what I what I like to do is it actually has a
feature built in specifically for measuring harmonics. So activate your menu M and then
go to measure what's up vern six okay, measure and then under that you
should have harmonic yes, and so it's going to ask you for a frequency
once you pick harm on uh huh, and then type in one four six,
dot five to two and then hit the M for megahertz. So a
lot of people just hit times one and that'll give you one hundred and forty
six hurts and so like people aren't I can't see my signal. Yeah,
I may have fallen victim of that once or twice. Yeah, yeah,
sure, yeah, yeah, verds in their verds in their uh chat up,
go ahead, he's yeah, he's uh. There would be no foul
language on this stream. Vern there is no foul language and no foul language.
The ranger is gonna win tonight. Let's go astros. Yeah, no
foul lane, no foul language on the stream, buddy, You drive a
forward you should know better than that. Yeah, So go back to the
main top menu, okay. And then there should be something called level in
there. Yes, and then so go to level and then you want to
pick external game. Yep, that's at zero right now. Yep, So
h hit external gain and then you want to type in negative. Its real
important to do that negative. So four zero and then times one times one.
Okay, okay. So what that did is it just adjusted or accounted
for the forty dB attenuator. So we should be good there for this guy.
Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, and then so again at the
top, at the top menu you want to go into there is something called
display display. Yes, yep, you know what and don't go into display.
Did give me one second? Give me one second, that's fine,
I'll go back. I didn't change anything, so we're good. Yeah,
there's a there's a there's a I just realized there was a glare on the
screen. Sorry, guys, somebody should have said something. If somebody said
something in Chad about the glare on the screen, then Frank missed it,
so I didn't see it. Okay. Oh, they're all talking about baseball
in there. I honestly, I honestly don't don't care. But I know
I'm supposed to be a Rangers fan, but I really don't care. I'll
be I don't care about I grew up a Ranger fan. But yeah,
give me one second here, I can't go ahead. For the love of
God, I can't remember where the thing is that we want to Okay,
no worries. That was interesting that we told the the Nano s NA.
I'm sorry I said that wrong with DNA, that we had the attentator on
it. So how does that take account? Because I'm surprised by that because
we'll see the vaultas coming in from well it's supposed to be going to the
antenna, but what does it need to account for that? So what will
happen is is the attenuator reduces the power. In this case, it reduces
the power coming out of the radio by forty dB. So that's what you're
going to see inside the tiny SA. So when you get a reading,
what you could do is you could just add forty d b to that.
But we don't like math. So what we do is we set for that.
It's very very wise, very wise words there. Yeah, but that
changed the frequency though, that should have change the frequency. No, no,
no, it's just the power levels. Yeah, it's like an attenuator
on your it's like a ten waiter on the receiver on your a chef radio.
It's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. So if you go to top
menu display, there should be an option for draw line, draw line,
Yes there is, so pick that, okay, and then hit negative sixteen
point oh two. Okay, where are you getting that number? I'll tell
you one second and hit the times one times one. Okay. So when
we operate a radio that is twenty five watts of power, there's a blue
line right there that's probably not visible in the camera. Well maybe no it
is. Yeah, we can we can say, it's exactly what you want.
Good. So, for radios operating twenty five watts or less in the
frequencies that we're going to be testing today, your any spurry submissions need to
be forty dB below the fundamental So the fundamentals of one on one, four
sixty five two, all the rest of the spikes have to be forty dB
down. Now they also need to be below twenty five its microwatts twenty five
microwats. So twenty five microwats is negative sixteen point two dBm. So we
draw that line there so we can see that if it's above the line,
but it's still forty dB down, we know that the radio is still failed.
And so that's something that is an important step because it's the second piece
of that law. Almost everybody only tests for negative forty dB because when they
see twenty five microwats, everybody's like, well, what the F is that?
Yeah, I mean I remember the first time being like, eh,
f it you know, yeah, yep, yep. So you want to
make sure you do that, all right, So when we key up,
now, any spurrious emissions that you're going to see on there are going to
be in a data table, and it's going to tell you. It's going
to give you a delta marker, and a delta is the difference between your
primary signal when we typed in one, four, six, five two,
and so it's gonna tell you how many how many cycles away it is,
and it's going to tell you the reference in terms of decibel. So got
up, son, gotcha, Okay, here we go. Now just hold
it in for a couple of seconds because it's gonna take it's it's sorting itself
out of Yeah, it's it's definitely moving. Yeah, So because it has
like an internal attenuation that it'll apply and stuff like that. So at the
top of that, your marker number one should say one four six five to
two or close to it, and then it should give you a value in
the yellow text at the top. Oh the yellow text. Okay, one
four six dot five at thirty four dot zero d M. All right,
So thirty four dot zero is a little bit less than what we expect,
but balfangs never put out what they advertise, correct. And then what does
the marker for marker number two say? It says one five also at negative
fourteen dot four dbc, So dbc means in comparison, So that means it's
only a fourteen DV below the fundamental, which is a huge fail. Now
with the Tiny Essay, you can only see up to three hundred and fifty
mega hurts, so you're not going to see third, fourth, and fifth
harmonics. But I guarantee that they don't pass you, right, Yeah,
okay, okay, So what we can do is we can reconfigure it and
feed the signal into the top high port to see anything above three hundred and
fifty megahertsky, but we don't need to, so they that that second harmonic
that we saw there, it's above the blue bar and it's now forty d
be down. No illegal, put it in the trash, right, Yes,
I got a real real fang test. That's I wanted to do that.
I was always wanted to do that. I can tell you that's why
I bought the Tiny Essay, and when I got it, right, I
was intimidated by the thing. I didn't even take it out of the packaging
for like six months because I was like, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
break it, right. Yeah, it's yeah, they seem like they're rather
fragile. This is a in my opinion, this is a shack testing tool.
I wouldn't take. I would put this in the backpack and go hiking
with it. But they are neat for what they do. Yeah. Well,
the thing is they're super duper sensitive and so like you can have them
like when you're doing tests, sometimes you'll see spikes and spurs moving around from
like coaxle cable or from category five cable or anything like that. Right,
So activate the menu and then go under a unit. We have a question
here, go ahead. Is the total power out? Uh? Maybe you
can bring that up? It is, I see it. So he's asking
a total power output? Is it an aggregate of the fundamental plus all harmonic
spurs? If so, the total output of five watts is the fundamental plus
the sum up spurs. Yes. So the thing is is that when you
use like if you were measuring power and you see all of us do it,
I do it everybody. I think Jason doesn't use disease to test the
power output of a radio. Any frequencies that will fit through the the port
on this thing, I can't. I can't, but any frequencies that will
fit through here. It is an aggregate of any spurious emissions on those frequencies,
right, because it just so the way these work is is that they
just detect voltage that's coming through. These don't really work on frequency, so
it just takes the voltage and then passes it along and then it gives you
the It doesn't it'll do a conversion for the voltage to the yeah, to
the meter. Yeah. So under there you should have something that says watts
I don't have I don't have a unit and the top menu, go to
level and then go to unit level okay, level a unit okay, yeah,
and then you should have wat in there. What yes, So go
ahead and pick that and it's going to look crazy, so you can't even
see you're lying on that right now. But go ahead and key up and
then you should be able to see the marker table and it should tell you
what the primaries at. It's going to take a second to calm itself down.
Yeah. Yeah. In the yellow text at the top again, yeah,
okay, so what is it saying for the for the the first one
says five at two point kind of moving around two point five, I mean
one two point five to two watts. Yeah, So that means on that
frequency, you're getting about two point five watts out, which is always people
are like, what now you can see like how far apart those peaks are
there? Yes, because watts is a linear scale, dBm is a logarithmic
scale, which is a lot easier for us to deal with when we're talking
about two different measurements that are so far apart, right, especially for displaying
it on there, so you can you can un key it. But that's
how you can check watts at a particular frequency, at a specific frequency.
Yeah, that's good, that's good. Yeah, And so if you like
I use the tiny sa ultra because I think it goes up to like five
five gig gig hurts. Yeah, I can actually see how strong my harmonics
are all the way up. So like I might have a radio that's doing
three watts on my primary, which is fine, but then I might have
a secondary that's doing like watt and a half, right, and so you
had to think about hey, one and a half, it's going to get
out, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, a
lot of your two twenty radios only do a what and a half? So
well, if they're a triband radio, they might only do a what and
a half. Yeah, it works, it can work, so we can
we can just take unhook the fang and then hook up the the yaesu if
you want without we'll have to change We'll change the levels back to what we
have for dBm. While you're doing that, I had a question here.
This is my question. You said the device is limited in these the rains
as scanning. Is that just the display or it's able to scan more?
And so I think that this the tiny essay, and I've got two of
them sitting here, so to me, I'm all fancy double fifty those essays.
Yeah, so the low port goes from zero hurts to three hundred and
fifty megahurts, and then the top workers from three hundred and fifty megahurts to
nine hundred mega hurts. The way that tiny essay ultra works, which is
which is this one and this one? You can you can set it to
go all the way up to five, but it uses harmonics itself in order
to get some of these higher frequencies. So I mean, if you really
testing super high frequencies, I mean, this is fun for dicking around,
but it's not really the best device for that, but for amature radio stuff
it's fine. Now people were like, well, what if I'm operating into
five giga hurts band And I tell them, I say, son, if
you're operating in that band, I know what that equipment costs. You can
afford a real spectrum analyzer. That's a good point. Bill's asking how many
watts out at the spur harmonic and it was about one point five that last
test we did where it was two point five at one six star dot five,
it was reading two point five one two point five to two watts at
the spur. It was about one point five that so if you tested that
on what you're a power sw R meter, it's probably going to tell you
four watts out right right, exactly right, And then you're like, hot,
damn son, I'm getting four watch that's right, right, yeah,
A look at me, boy, Well he's spur decreased as he gets farther
away from the main the main transmitting frequency. Yeah, they should they should.
Okay, well there shouldn't be spurs there at all, it should it?
No, but I agree, yeah, but yes, okay, yeah,
but Jim had radio and he keyed it up. Yeah, thing had
like a whole mess of spurs that were like practically flat all the way across.
I never laughed so hard. I was like, man, dude,
I was like, that thing is crazy. And so I told him,
I said, grab another radio and see. And he all the frequencies he
was tuned into. He could hear himself plain as day. Oh wow.
Oh he tuned his another radio to the to the spur frequency. Yeah that's
funny. Yeah, yeah, that's that's good. That's good. Okay,
we got the yas hooked up. So go back to the top menu and
you want to go into the level then unit and then change it back to
dBm and make sure of the radio is on one four six five two.
I just realized this radio is dead. I thought it was turned off.
Oh damn, welcome to my lafe. Yeah, you'll never You'll never find
the cradle for it. That's the problem that I've got. Oh gosh,
I know. Yeah, let me grab something else I've got. I've got
a couple of radios over there. I do want to grab either a yazoo
or a icon. Yes it is, but it's inside. That would be
fun though. Yeah, let me grab something else real quick, and you
guys you guys can have the floor for a second, Ronald, I was
gonna say this question for a little bit later. But have you hooked up
your tiny sa to a computer using the USB? A small program should be
able to do it. Yep, I do it all the time. So
he obviously isn't a subscriber to my channel, so shame on him. If
we could ban him, that would be fantastic. But yeah, it's called
I use tiny sa app. There's a couple of other apps that folks have
used, because I think tiny sa app is open source. So what I
would say is is that try that. I do it all the time just
because it's easier to display, like when I'm making videos and stuff like that.
But if I was just testing stuff, you know, or on the
shack or whatever, I generally don't use the use it. What is the
max number of watts it's going to be able to handle safely? Well,
it's not. It's not many, So I think you can only feed in
about six DV into it, which is super duper low. And like that's
you're you're you're you're talking milla watts at that even low low milla wats at
that level. So that's why we put an attenuator in line, and then
we compensate for the attenuator like we did in the demonstration. So if I
had to, I see the math now, Okay, yeah, I mean
I've pushed two hundred wats into these things before through I call it my big
ass attenuator. So like I've got this, yeah, and I'll use this
or I'll use something like it's not opened up, so I can't show you
the guts I built it. This is an RF sampler that I built.
And what this allowed me to does get a negative thirty seven YB signal off
of here. I just feed antenna in and then hook this to a dummy
load and I can use something like this. That's pretty cool. That was
super easy to build. I got I got a video showing how to do
it. Last question, we'll ask you what is the difference between a tiny
essay and a nano VNA. So a tiny essay is a little bit different,
and so like the way I describe it is is that if I'm measuring
like devices, so like say you build a bandpass filter or something like that,
and I want to see how that filter behaves, I'll use the nano
V and a to to test that because it has an outport and an import,
so I can take a known signal from the out feed it through the
filter and then measure it on the import. It also can do reflection measurements,
so I can measure things like SWR and stuff with a tiny Essay that
I cannot measure with the with the I'm sorry, I can measure with the
Nanovna, not the tiny Essa. So when I want to look at signals,
I'll use the Tinyessa and that allows me to look at signals and particular
frequencies. And there's a ton of stuff, and we'll do some more tests
with here because we've still got We still got about another forty minutes or so,
and we'll take a look. The tiny SA does does a lot of
stuff. Now. One of the things that tiny Essay doesn't have is called
a tracking generator. So your higher end spectrum analyzers will have a tracking generator
and that does an output signal that is in its synchronized to the sweep that
is taking taking place, and you can feed that through like things like filters
and stuff. But the TINYESA also works as a signal generator. So we'll
do a quick test with that too. Okay, Okay, I have my
I got my FT five. Cool, we're gonna and we're on one five
now you wanted me as something else on the Yeah, So go back into
the main menu and then go to level I think it was low yeah,
level yep, and then unit should be under there yep. And then switch
that back to dBm dBm yeah that's where it was originally. Okay, we
got the blue line back now, nice, So just just go ahead and
keep that baby. Yeah. Right now you're you're seeing some stuff in there,
but that's generally because of mixing and the tiny SA and it should drop
down it. Yeah, the spur on the top there is dropping down.
So we've got on the left hand reading is one forty six top five thirty
four point four dBm okay, and the the second one is one forty six
top five at a negative fifty four point four dbc. So that means it's
it passes right, So it's below the blue line and the blues more than
forty dB below. Yeah. I wonder if we're getting some additional attenuation because
of the coaxle cables or anything. Yeah, I did. Yeah, since
the the because there's an SMA port on on the the sm on the attenuator
and the radio are the same. So and I didn't have another barrel connector
with me right now, So that'd be an interesting test to see to switch
them out and see how that how different they might be. Yeah, so
you can you can use your nanobna to test that, Yeah, to test
the stenuation, because like you would think that, hey, this is only
like eight inches of freaking coax, how much can it attenuate? But you'd
be surprised, you'd be, Yeah, especially if it's especially if somebody didn't
solder it correctly and maybe there's a loose connection in there or something with that
SMA connector with the coax itself, something stupid. Yeah, and you you
can rest assured that those coaxial cables are not labor right, right, totally
totally. Yeah, No, I'm with you on that. Yeah, what's
all right? So we're uh oh uh side boom in the house. Yeah,
so yeah, okay, so we're obviously the yazoo is much yeah,
negative fifty four. And you said if it's under negative forty that passes.
That's the uh and that's the reason we got the negative. The forty dB
Yeah, attenuator that we're testing with. Yeah, so you're your two markers
set one hundred and forty six point five mega hurts. The reason the second
one says that is because it's saying it's one hundred and forty six point five
away from the fundamental And so that's exactly what a harmonic is. It's a
doubling of correct. Yeah, yeah, correct, yeah. Yeah. It's
like people will call me up and say eight all my markers said, both
my markers say one four six five, and I was like, don't worry
about it, you're good. Yeah, yeah, it's a hard yeah,
And that's uh, that's a lot of the times why you can, uh,
that's the reason a forty meter in a half wave in fed or or
center fed, whichever forty meter hfontenna is as a harmonic of fifteen meters.
That's why to work on fifteen meters a lot of times. Yeah, what's
a harmon It's a harmonic of twenty So like, yes, what it is.
Yeah, and all the handbands are harmonically related by design, right because
of this kind of stuff. Yeah, if you think about forty meters seven
megahurts, well, then seven times two is fourteen that's twenty meters. Seven
times three is twenty one, that's fifteen meters, and seven times four is
twenty eight that's ten meters. So there you go. Man An n fed
halfwave cut for forty meters will often be resonant on those four bands, and
there's a reason for that. Yeah, on ten meters it's because ten so
porky, right, it's yeah, So like sometimes you get a little goofiness
there well and sometimes you know, and it kind of depends. You know.
You got to realize also that that the hand bands are not exactly the
same in every country around the world, so it's not it's not like seven
point twenty five y five megahurts is exact harmonic of whatever on the twenty meter
bands, so it could kind of vary a little bit in there, but
it's close enough where you can you can actually get a really good four band
antenna with using no tuner if you have a like the Pac TENA. The
Pac ten is fantastic on those four bands. Now, I tuned up the
Sparkplug Gear one hundred wide a intenna and it was beautiful on forty twenty and
fifteen, but on ten, it was a little high on the bottom technician
portion of the band twenty eight three to twenty eight dot five it was around
two to one instead of like one point four to one. Like the not
a big deal, Not a big deal. You hit your tuner on your
FTD extend, you're good, or you just run with it two to one,
which would probably fine. You go a little higher on the band and
the and the SWR comes down a little bit. Yeah. So with those
with those infed half waves, when the lower I'm sorry, the higher frequencies
that you're using, the more inductive the antenna looks correct. And so that's
why a lot of them add a capacitor. And I'm pretty sure this spark
plug's got a capacitor in there. I don't know, one hundred percent,
I think so. But one of the things that happens with the induction is
that your voltage will start to lead your current. So when by adding the
capacity and so it kind of it kind of marries them back up. Yeah.
So, like everybody kind of blanket says that you should use one hundred
peak afaired capacitor on those antennas. Some people have better luck with eighty.
Some people use one twenties. So I guess if you really want to get
in the guts of tune in the antenna, I use one hundred. I
use a hundred peak affair on hundred per go fair. Yeah, yeah,
good good. And then but somebody had a question in here W six I
WN and let me see if I can find it. He was saying,
or throw a talk pot on there, toss a talk pot on there.
I saw that. Yeah, so I've used to Yeah, talk pot It's
the worst. It's the worst radio that I've ever used in my life.
And like the thing, here's what's crazy about it. Like I feed the
signals of radios into my soilloscope so I can look at the carrier and make
sure that is the way forth correct. And it was detecting the frequency at
like two hundred and fifty six megahurts when the radio was supposed to be one
hundred and forty six. Had a balfang say that it was it was like
one hundred and fifty eight. Its supposed to one four to six. And
I was just like, man, you know, but the talk pod was.
The guy won't even my last two emails to him, he won't even
respond to the emails. He's like, uh, oh, this guy knows
what he's talking about. Deleet I get. I get fired all the time
from Oh people sent a radio to me and I'll test it, and you
know, I was telling my part. I was like, hey, whatever
it test, I'm going to show it. And they're like, yeah,
no, no, we're confident in the product. And then all of a
sudden they're like, what the f why didn't you tell us. Sometimes I'll
tell them and they're like, show it. You can show it anyway.
But yeah, with with the with the talk pod. The reason I didn't
feel bad about, you know, being as brutally honest as I was about
the performance of the radio is the radio that I got came with an instruction
manual for different radio and then I asked other people who got them, and
they got the wrong radio as well. Also, mine has a sticker on
it that says it's for HAM, but when I got it, it was
set up for gm RS. So I don't know if I had the right
radio or not. And the other one is that I believe there was some
chicanery with the FCCI that they were originally putting on there. Oh no,
that never that never happens. Yeah. Well, I'm like, hey,
if you're gonna screw hands over, then I've got no problem, right,
you know, just showing just how fantastic your radio is. So I saw
t O and and Hayden and Josh and a couple of the guys did a
huh oh yeah no no no no, no, no no no. I
saw the talk pod videos from these guys, and I'm like, and they're
all like, yeah, talkpod sent me this talk pod and I'm like,
hmm, oh, my feelings are hurt. Talkpod didn't send me one.
So I went and got on Amazon and I bought my own. I'm like,
okay, now I can really talk about it the way I want to.
And then I checked my spam filter like two days later, and talk
pod did send me an email for me, but it was much spam filter.
So I'm like, well, I already bought one. Now I don't
need it, thanks anyway, And I did the same time. I'm like,
my god, this thing is terrible. Oh my goodness. And I
didn't I didn't post the video, but I wouldn't have felt bad post in
the video because I actually bought it on Amazon. I paid for it.
I'm like, you know what, this is my honest opinion. Here you
go. Well, the thing is is like they had been reaching out to
me for a long time, and I just kept ignoring the emails. And
because because the thing is is that I was like, I don't want to
review a radio that sucks because I don't want to go and I know it's
going to suck. And it was exact same way with the h E with
the T I D radio, Like I that guy will he so he went
from asking me to test their radios before they market them now so he won't
respond to my emails anymore because I kept finding all these problems. He sent
me like three of these. They sent me the original one, and they
send me the updated version, and this is like two point zero. Yeah,
I don't know. I mean, hey, man, at least they're
trying. At least they're trying. You know. It's like that that walks
on four bander that came out a while back, had a couple of spurious
problems with the first version. They were real quick to come back, come
back and update that and and and fix several of the problems with it.
So I can't I can't fault them for that. At least they're trying.
That's well. I think they had some some chicanery with the FCC. Well
well, and so so we got to a point he was like, hey,
we want to start sending you our radios before we sell in the test.
Yeah, and I was like yeah. I was like that's that.
That's fine, and he goes, but can you take down the videos that
you put up? And I said no, I can't. I said,
well, I'll tell you what, give me the serial numbers are the ones
that you know have bad hardware, not firmware, but bad hardware. And
they were like, we can't do that. And then I was like,
well, then I'm not taking the videos, you know, because the thing
is that we would do a video and just say hey, if you have
these this one, then you've got one that gets hot, that makes goofy
noise and transmits the noise and all that other stuff. So yeah, yeah,
yeah, well yeah, and apparently you know what, you would order
some of those on Amazon and they would some of them were gmrs only,
some of them were ham only and mine was full open mine is and I
didn't and like I said, and I even said this in the I made
a video that I never posted. I said this, and I was like,
look, talk pod, they don't know who I am. I order
this on Amazon. I just went out there, regular account, ordered it,
got it in. This thing is full open transmit and it has a
freaking FCCA sticker on it. So you know something's not right there. I'm
not saying I agree with it or don't agree with it. I'm just saying
that's very sus that's all. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah,
I'm totally right there with you. Yeah, yeah, Chris Bricker, what's
up, Chris? He say, ask if there's differences between the tiny SA
and a tiny say Ultra that would push you to use the Ultra. The
Ultra is bigger, so it's got a four inch screen versus a two point
eight. Yeah, and you're like, oh, what's only an ancient So
it's huge different. It makes a big difference because my Nano VNA is is
the four inch screen and it is much bigger than this. This this thing
is hard to see. If you've got t O calls him old man eyes,
and I think I agree with that. So if you got if you
got to put this on to see this. Then the four inch screen makes
a big difference. So I don't know if it's worth twice as much money.
It is because you also get the much larger frequency on screen so you
can see. Okay, so I would say, go ahead, go ahead
and uh and do that. Let's get back to we're going to do another
test. Okay, let's do something else then, good, we do.
So what we want to do is we want to switch the cables around so
that the output of the tiny essay is going into So just like where you're
connected to the radio and a tiny essay switched that yep, switch that one
with the one going into YEP, not on the tiny SA with the one
going on the radio. Okay, so switch those switch. Okay, you
take it off that radio nowhere, now unscrew the one on the tiny essa.
Okay. And then you want to do it the other way. Yes,
I thought you weren't supposed to do that. Well, we're going to
do something different now. We're going to test the front end of the Okay,
all right, so we're going to go backwards we are. Then while
you're doing that, I'm gonna just pull up my dbach art just to make
sure I get this right. We're safe because the attenuator anyway. But yeah,
yeah, no, we're good. Yeah, just don't blow up my
FT five will be I'll be happy, okay, all right? So an
S nine signal is negative seventy three dBm on HS sounds right, it sounds
right. It's negative ninety four on UHF and VHF because they hear better,
I guess, so they say in SN signal is actually much weaker in UHF
and VHF. So what we want to do is we want to hit the
top menu and then at the bottom of that, let me just flip mine
one second. Make sure I do this right. There's something called mode mode.
Yes, so you want to pick that, and then you should have
something that says low out. Uh It says switch to high end, switch
to low out. Yeah, so you want to switch to low out.
Switch to low out, okay, and then whatever it says the bottom you
can So what does that say there? It says low output is off.
Yep, leave it off for right now. Frequency is ten mega hurtz.
So click on the frequency and set it for one, four, six,
five to two. What is keen? That is the antenuator directional mic is
asking they are not all of them are, but these these are. Yeah,
this one has markings on it like it is. Okay, the level
is negative seven dot o dB. What does it say on there? Negative
seven dot ODBM. Yeah. What we're gonna do is that down to the
bottom you have something says external gain. Yes, it's at zero, so
you want to hit that, and then you want to set it to negative
forty negative forty like we did before. So now we're accounting for the attenuator
negative forty times one, right, yep, and that should change your level
from whatever it was. It should attack forty on there. So probably now
says negative forty seven, right, correct, Yes, that's right, that's
right. So there's a it says set right in the middle of that level.
Hit that set set. Yeah, and then you want to do negative
a start with negative one twenty five, okay, and then hit the times
one and then okay, where did the one twenty five number come from?
So that you just put my chart here? I got I can't remember,
you got you got some you got some chart that that told you that.
Yes, so negative one twenty five is just below an S four signal.
Okay, So that's about where radios can hear. Sometimes they get a little
bit lower than that. Okay, Now you have something says mod that's short
short for modulation. You want to hit that. I don't have a mod
yes, Maddy says none. Yeah, so you want to hit that,
and then you want to just pick narrow FM narrow. Uh, there's an
FM three kills seventy five kill hurts. I assume it's the three Yeah,
picked the three killer hurts. Okay, and then it should say down there,
go back in there. And they also have a frequency set. Yes,
it's it a thousand hurts right now? Okay, perfect, perfect,
that's what you want. Yeah. Mine says five thousand for some reason,
but it doesn't matter. Okay. Yeah. Now when we when we when
we turn this on, we're going to be setting an S four signal from
the tiny SA into your ya see radio. So go ahead, hit it
on. So where it says off, just hit the off and then I'll
turn yep. Hear that yep. So, so what you're hearing there is
a one killer hurts or a thousand HURTZ modulated tone on top of a sinus
soidal carrier. So you can hear how it's cutting in and out a little
bit. Now, it's no, it's it's not cut. That's probably zoom
to Okay, it's not. It's solid here, it's not cutting in it
out at all. All right, So under that level on the left hand
side, it'll say minus ten dB yes, really small. Yes, So
click where it says minus ten and so that should drop it down to negative
one thirty five. That doesn't seem to do anything. It's it's that negative
one sixteen right now. That doesn't seem to change it. Well, make
sure you're clicking right on where it says the negative ten. So you might
need to use the pointy thing. Yeah, let me get the thing.
Where'd that go? Oh? Here it is? Okay? Does it have
to be on when I do that? It can be a one or off,
It don't matter. That doesn't seem to change anything, all right,
Well, then just hit set again and then type in one thirty five one
thirty five. Uh negative. Make sure you do negative one thirty five,
negative one thirty five yeah, negative one thirty five times one yeah. Yeah,
see it only goes to one sixteen. I'm pretty sure that's what I
put last time. It only goes to one sixteen. Ah, you're right,
it's the tiniest a ultra goes lower than that. Ah okay, yeah,
this one doesn't go down that low. Then all right, well there
whoever was asking, there's another reason for you. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, more more versatility on the on the ultra. Okay, good,
good to know. Yeah, but that's one way that you can test
that. And then like what I did is on my seven O five,
my icon I CE seven O five, I fet a negative seventy five four
GBM signal into that to test my S meter to see if my S meter
was accurate. And so most of these radio manufacturers will calibrate S nine,
they don't calibrate the six d B delta between each one is what it's supposed
to be. And I'm not calling any radio manufacturers out because I don't want
to shoot me, but you would be you would be surprised at how many
radios start to like all S four's aren't created equal. I'll just leave it
at that, right, yeah, right. You know, when I when
I give signal reports on POE and whatnot, I it's all subjective, it's
all like it's all like, hey man, your signals booming, I don't
really care what the meter says. You're getting an S nine and if your
signals in the noise, I don't care if even if you're even if you
are moving the needle, if your signals in the noise, you're you're getting
a five to two or a four to four or something like that. So,
yes, so we we've given signal reports as hams since before people had
S meters on. Oh yeah, yes, it's supposed to be how you're
hearing their particular signal, right, not exactly what the S meter says.
But a lot of people are like, well, you're you're pegging my S
meter, which is which just fine to know, but there's so many different
things that that. But if you have an S nine noise floor and I'm
pegging your meter, I don't I don't find that too impressive, you know,
right, Well, the thing is is that you can adjust your RF
gain. That's true, that's true, right, And so yeah, a
lot of people leave that wide open. I never do that because I like
to have it. I'd like to be able to hear and when I'm older,
you know, said, I don't want to hear all that static and
stuff, so I usually keep in mind at around the twelve o'clock. Yeah,
okay, So what were we trying to test here? Well, I
was going to see how low of a signal that we could hear into that
radio, because if you compare the oh, okay, the yasu to the
bellfang. Yeah, it's a significant difference. The Yasu can hear much much
lower than the bellfang. Again, ah okay, so what's the lowest you've
heard on a balfang? Then I think around one thirty nine probably, so
that's really grainy. And then I've gotten like one forty negative one on the
yasu, which is another which is another S unit. Yeah. Then another
thing that you can do is you can adjust. You can put that signal
like twenty five kilo hurts away, which is one channel actually it's it's it
would be the carrier of another channel. And if you could still hear that,
then you know that your adjacent channel rejection is no good on the radio.
You can test all that with the tiny essay Ultra. The tiny essay,
I guess doesn't it's not. It doesn't get it go to low one.
So that's a good I mean, if if if the bow fang will
hear better than this tiny essay lower than this tiny essay will go. That's
a reason to me, that's a reason in and of itself to choose the
Ultra. So yeah, so I did a video where I was using two
tiny essays to inject two signals into the bowfang, and you would hear it
go dead. Look, it would just completely go dead because it couldn't.
It couldn't make the distinction between the two because of the direct conversion receiver that's
built into the bowfang as opposed to superheads that are in the in the right
right. Yeah, huh. How far down will this will this tinyessa go?
Like? Is it? Is it good for testing chef radios? Sure
is. If you want to grab one, we can do it. I'd
recommend a QRP given the attenuation sop labs. When you're getting that Jason's asking
several times in the chat's that's Jim, I know, I know, A
can you explain how to use two or more attenuators to tap down a strong
signal? Yeah? So these are both ten WAT attenuators. So I don't
really do it with this with these, but I'll take this as one hundred
WAD attenuator. So if I was testing the signal on my seventy three hundred
at one hundred watts, I would put this one on here, and that
would bring my signal down to zero dBm. But because tiny essays are so
sensitive, you really want a lower signal coming in and just adjust for when
we adjust the external gain. This goes near your radio, don't mess that
up. This goes near the tiny essay. And then you would just connect
these two together and then you would add so like this is a thirty this
one this is a ten dB attenuator, and this one is a forty.
So if I add these together and now they've got fifty dB of attenuation.
Hm, why does the order matter where one gets closer to? Well,
because one can. This big one can handle one hundred watts. This little
one can only handle ten. So if I attenuate one hundred watts by forty
dB, then I can hook this one up and continue to attenuating. If
I switch them around and I push on hundred watch of this, I'm gonna
I'm gonna smoke the innards. Okay, I'm gonna have to wait on this.
So I've got my original FX for C here. This is nice FX
four C, not the CR that's the new one. It has a B
and C connector on it. But I do not have a B and C
male two SMA connector. I have a B and C female to sme.
See if you can put the barrel connector in place, and see if you
can do it that way. Let's see. You need to get a big
box of all the different nectar type chase I've got. I've got Kyle's tackle
box down here. Man, this thing is awesome, but I don't have
that. I've never had a need for that type of connector, so obviously
I need to upgrade my game. So can radio outlets just up the street?
Yeah, that's the same. Yeah, that would be terrible. If
I had one close by, I'd probably be there all the time. I
work less than five minutes from that place it is. I'm actually going to
be in Dallas in about two weeks. What but I'm landing at like two
in the afternoon, and then I've got to go to a meeting at four,
and then i have to go to a dinner, and then I have
to fly out at like eight o'clock the next morning. Oh, that's no
good. You should stay longer next time. Well, you know that's I
should have enagled something where I was doing that. But yeah, I have
a feeling I'll be down in Dallas a lot in the future. You got
time for another question or are you about ready to go? Jason, I
am not. No, I don't have I'm not sure I've got the right
connections here, all right, So liberty Cave, how do you test FRS
radios with no ability to put them on a dummy load? Well you can.
You can question if you have an attenuator, and then you can feed
the attenuator into your tiny essay. Then you can test them that way.
Now, the rules for gmrs and FRS are overly complicated. They're way more
complex than they are for HAM radios. So I don't test them because things
like you have to have a certain percentage of power within a certain frequency away,
and then it just keeps cascading like if you read it. I'm just
like, I'm not smart enough to figure that formula out. So so with
an FRS radio to be legal, it doesn't have a removable antenna, I
think what he's asking, No, no, no, oh, how oh,
so most of the time you can't. You can't unscrew the antenna.
So most of the time, if you take a look at it an HT
and you look at the antenna, they'll be a little teeny tiny n set
pin in there that would Yeah, So if you remove that set pin,
then you can you can go ahead and unscrew it. That's true. That's
one way to do it. Another way to do it is you can crack
it open and then soider onto the antenna port and uh, you know you
have you have to have steady hands to do that. It's just it's just
an FRS radio. It doesn't matter, right, No, I don't have
the right connectors. But this will be a test that I performed next time,
so if I might get you back on the show. Yeah, man,
we can do that. Maybe we'll do it. I was gonna,
I was, hey, this is the battery that I built last night,
guys. I got the shrink wrap and everything, so I was gonna plug
this into my FX for radio. I was gonna show you that it worked.
A double test there, that's right, yeah, double test. But
now I don't have a I would need a I would need an s M,
A female too be and C male and I don't have that. Yeah,
Josh is saying you could use the antenna for the tiny essay to look
at the output. I don't know what the room say for frs and gmrs,
but for amateur radio, you have to measure at the antenna output.
So even if you measure through twenty five feet of coax, it's not a
legitimate test because they want they went to the envelope at the at the antenna
output. Yeah, yep, good, well that is Hey, this was
fun. I enjoy uh. I enjoyed every part of this. So how
do I get back to the main menu on this thing? They should have
a backup option. There's not a breath escape all these steps and understand what
just happens. Switch to low. I can rewatch my own video. So
you know, there's there's always that. There's this thing called YouTube where everything
is recorded. The easiest way to get it back is to turn it off
and turn it now. Actually, if if I went back into it and
I sweach, I said switch back to low, and it came back to
the main screen. Oh okay, gotcha. So yeah, because you were
switching it to high. We have a burning question here, and I think
it's very topical for the topic. Once I get one, I say it.
Once I get one, now I remember run up. What I'll say.
What I'll say to Frank is that I may or may not be in
your log book. Ape is in my log book. Every time I see
him on FT eight, I hit him up. I was like, hey,
I can work it out there right now for Clarence Clarence. Yeah,
yeah, served for Clarence. Have you worked me? I don't think so.
I think you said once. We actually might have. We may we
may have. I'd have to go back and check. I don't. I
actually have no idea. Yeah, that's funny. Well good, this was
This was exactly what I wanted to do tonight. So thank you Ape Man
for the time and anytime. So it's going to be if you want to
get those connectors and we can uh yeah, yeah, we can do that.
We'll get In fact, I've got a couple of q RP raiders.
I just got the the mountaintop of the new four mt R four B n
oh did you Yeah? And I don't know. It's weird because I always
tell people I hate QRP. But then I was talking to some of the
other day, and I was like, well, yeah, but I own
one of every radio. Yeah, I've got even with QRP radios. So
I must really hate QRP. I don't know, but I like making fun
of QRP, mostly because the people who do it. But it's it's not
so much radios like that four C that you have there. Like I was
almost going to get the four CR, but I'm like, I just don't
need another QRP radio. Yeah, I tell you what, that four CR.
I actually think I like the forour C a little bit better than the
four CR dud. Well, yeah, because the four C is ten watts.
I've done ten watts on sideband and ten wats on FT eight. The
four CR advertises twenty watts, but it only does like five to seven wats
on FT eight. It does twenty wats on sideband. I can't remember what
I think it does like five to seven wants on CW as well. But
so I was like, well, a little QRP radio like that, I
might me my own personal preference. I would I would do FT eight with
it more than anything. So I was a little bit disappointed that it did
that. It did less power than its predecessor. On FT eight, just
just saying qrps for heroes. Now, I admire the skill of somebody who
can make a lot of good QRP contacts. But my problem is is that
they're like the vegans of ham radio because they have to tell everybody. Yeah,
they never shut up about QRP. Oh you know what I mean.
Like, I don't worry about all that. I beout the mobile guys driving
down the road. Come on now, announce it. You're not paying attention.
Hey. I love the mobile guys because they worked me on Poda.
Every time I hear a mobile station on Poda, I'm like, hey,
there was a mobile station, come on back. I like the I had
a QRP station and last activation was like one of the loudest stations I've heard.
I was like, I don't know what you're doing, but I've oh
I've had QRP. Yeah, I've had QRP stations that came in there.
I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, you sound good. Well.
These mobile guys, especially ones doing CW and stuff like that. People are
like, when these guys been doing CW for fifty five years, they are
so damn good. They dream in CW. Yeah, I'm like, I
don't know about doing that while driving. You know what I'm saying, Like
I can, well, yeah, I can barely eat my sandwich, drink
my drink and drive. I would never be able to at CW into the
day. I gave up trying to eat tacos and driving. It's just a
mess on the shirt. Larry says. Here, I'm about to stop,
uh doing poto with my ninety wat in a wire ain't ain't And I cannot
come compete honting with the station running six hundred to one point five watts.
Okay, yeah, I believe you. I understand hunting with the low power
because that that's tricky. But if you're you're it doesn't matter how many watts
you're running activating. Everyone wants to talk to you, So it doesn't matter
how many wats. You know what. QRP has its place and q r
O has its place. In my opinion, QRP is great if you're if
you've got a small pack and you're sitting on top of the mountain, it's
wonderful. Out here in the flat lands, it ain't so great. Well,
if you can't haul the equipment around and all that kind of stuff,
then you know you're gonna have a little bit of a problem. The other
thing is is that QRP people are so what they do when they try to
get you to join their team is is they talk about decibels as opposed to
watts, right, because they're like, right, oh, it's just a
few dB per s units. So I mean, come on, now,
if you get an antenna that has this much game, but if you look
at it linearly as opposed to logarithmic, you start to see and we saw
today when we did the test when we looked at watts versus the dB right.
Yes, to me, I think that that is just a little bit
of like where people like, just think about how healthy you're colon will be
if you go vegan. You know what I mean. It's the same thing.
It's the same premise where it's like, well, I don't know if
that's really a legit conversation. That's not yeah, yeah, yeah, I
hate to tell you, but we were born to be meat eaters, right,
That's that's just how we were made. Some people have legit yet medical
medical conditions, Fine, there's nothing wrong with that. Some people are legit
allergic to peanut butter. I don't think i'd still be alive if I was
allergic to peanut butter. Right, So if you were allergic to RS,
then you should operate QRP, right, exactly. Yeah, So Bill's asking
here, what is the limits of spur emissions to pass negative forty sixty?
So it depends on the frequency and the power levels. But yes, on
uhfu that we were that we were I'm sorry on VHF what we were testing.
It's forty dB down from the fundamental if you're operating less than twenty five
watts. So there's numbers change depending upon which frequencies you're using and power level
power cool, Okay, this was medical conditions. Now in the chat,
I know we just eighty meters now, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
all on eighty meters now. That's funny. So Ape, when's your your
next Hallmark movie night? Is it? Is it on Fridays? Well,
it's supposed to be Saturday or Sunday nights, okay, And then it depends
it depends on which, Like the Hallmark Movie channel is all man hating stuff,
yes, it is, you know, like everyone is like the man
gambles too much or he drinks too much, or he's got a girlfriend and
then you know, and then a lot of times the wife ends up killing
him and and everybody's like, oh, I just love the way that Nancy
was able to get rid of her husband. I don't. I don't like
this kind of stuff, Like I don't. I prefer y'all not watch it.
You know, So I'm not well. The reason I ask is our
next half hour is next Friday. So I love it. I would love
it if you would come back to the Happy Hour Friday. Yeah, let
me. I was about to say, what did I miss here? Yeah?
Let me? Let me? Uh, Because every time I invite ape
to the channel for some some YouTubers get together we have he's like, well,
that's Wholemark movie night. Son got to watch around it. Yeah,
why don't you grow up here and like do some YouTube bud Joe brets and
they're making fun of me, Joe Brad talking about your busted attenuator earlier.
Buddy, just just bring up a peanut butter whiskey if you want to shut
up, Joe Brad. Joe Bratt sez, Yeah, I haven't got some
millers sitting on ice right now. I'm gonna have to Yeah, I almost
polished off my whiskey the four roses. And that's not the bottle you showed
at the beginning that was full, is it? It was not full when
I showed the beginning was here. Oh but is that what you're drinking right
now, Frank, Yeah, that's why I just polished off. Okay,
good for you. Almost almost gone. But I have a leader. This
was the one I showed at the beginning. Oh that's the that's the one.
Yeah, I thought I thought, I thought you had a full bottle.
Oh yeah, that's that's why I was holding up as my award for
four thousand describers. Y'all love me. Well, I gotta tell you that.
So the Buffalo Trace is a really nice bourbon. I remember when it
was twenty six dollars for a bottle. Now now it's like around forty bucks
for a bottle. Yeah, it's all the all the everybody got into drinking
bourbon and it raised the price. But that and like several lists came out
and just wiped the shells all the bourbon. I was joined for twenty to
thirty bucks mckenneth Bottle and bonded on one hundred proof that was going for twenty
five dollars and now it's a rare item, Ego rare. I used to
find it on the shelves about four Yeah, like Egle rare. Well.
I used to drink the Van Winkle bourbons all the time, and so I
used to My favorite is the lot Be. It's a twelve year old Van
Winkle and I used to get it for forty dollars a bottle. And I
had some of the other like I had the twenty three, the twenty year
old. I had a bunch of them. And then Anthony Bourdain was the
one that told everybody how great it was. And that's really what shot the
price of it up. I sold a bottle out of mustash for nine hundred
dollars somewhere around eighty bucks. You should have bought like a thousand bottles of
that at forty bucks a pop bag. I could recover already, Yeah,
because I used to there. One store by me always had it. And
so I go out there and I s yeah, I asked him, and
he goes, dude, I can't get it anymore. And he goes and
if I could, i'd have to charge you more money. I'm like,
son, I've been coming here for years. You're trying to reveal. That's
right, that's right, last time, Josh, Josh, just Josh,
you You've just committed yourself, buddy, He says, I'll bring my attenuators
to the happy Hour if I'm around this month. Well you're gonna you gotta
be around now. You just you just committed to it. So that's it.
Everyone, you heard it here first. So I was just that Specs.
When we were trying to buy this monster bottle, I grabbed the wrong
one. But anyways, and I was asking like do you have this or
that? And she's like, you're you're asking all about the allocated bottles.
I'm like, I used to drink most of these three four years ago,
and they were just sitting on the shelves. She's like, yeah, you
know they're all going to wait list kind of crab. Well, yeah,
nowhere. To get the list of Specs, you gotta be one of the
primary members or premium members, where you spend over one thousand dollars a month.
I'm like, I'm not drinking that much bourbon if I am, help
me. So. I used to run an IT engineering team and whenever we
would get a new person promoted from administrator to engineering. Once a month,
we would all pull our money together and we would call this one liquor store
and we would make massive orders, a couple thousand dollars, and we'd always
send a new guy. We'd be like, all right, it's your turn
to go, and he's you know, he said, put us my turn
last month. It's like at your turn until we get another new guy out
of it. You even have to go out there and pick up cases of
bourbon and bring them back. Oh my god, Well that's how you get
on the list. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I found a bottle
of scotch in my in my pantry the other day, and it was it
had gotten hidden behind a couple other bottles, and I took it out and
started pouring myself with a bottle of scotch, and I'm like, I can't.
I know now why I don't drink bourbon, because Scotch is so much
better, so much better than bourbon. You know, they age Scotch and
bourbon bottles for a reason. Yes, I know, yes, yeah,
yeah, I mean, I don't know, it's just smoother. Everybody's tastes
are different, you know, everybody I know. I give Ap a hard
time about about his Miller Lite obsession and he doesn't like my dark beers and
it's all right, it's all good. But everybody's scotch, everybody's uh.
This one was a Glenn Livett. Uh No, Glenn MORINGI. Glenn Levitt
is good. Dimple Pinch is good. I don't. I don't like the
real Peda ones like my favorite is uh. I don't like it Pete like.
But that's pretty pricey bottle at Wood Bond twelve. I think it's around
eighty to one hundred bucks, depending on where you go. That's not too
much for me, because honestly, if I buy a my wife will give
me a bottle of scotch. Well not every year, but a lot of
times. She will give me a bottle of scotch at Christmas and usually and
that bottle of Scotch that I just finished like two weeks ago was one she
gave me a Christmas lash. So it's been like nine months or ten months.
I'll tell you what at of Indian Scotch that I will give to you
at Dayton next year. Jason, Okay, And I was going to ask
if you're going to Orlando again. I don't know yet, So I just
don't know. Like we typically try to line that up with our annual Disney
trip that we do. Yeah, but sometimes that's the availability of the time
share is where that becomes a little bit Oh you got a timeshare out there?
Okay, yeah, so what I What I was saying though, is
that because I worked with tons of people from India, they always give me
bottles of these Indian scotch and is it Is it good? I don't know.
I like, I like Indian food. I used to watch my last
IT job. We had a bunch of Indian people there and they would do
we would do this uh pot luck, just like the whole IT department,
and they bring all this Indian food and I'm like, okay, it looks
kind of weird and ask them what it is and it's got some weird I
was like, I don't know how to say that. Then you taste it
and it's like yeah, you taste it, it's like, man, this
is really good. Well, so I do make a barbecue chicken. It's
like super red. I think it's called tangory chicken. That yeah, yeah,
that's good. Some of the other stuff I'm not such a fan of.
But I have yet to have anything that that I did not like.
Some of it I like better than other stuff. But for the most part,
I think I like most of it. So it's it's not I don't
I enjoy most all ethnic foods. I have not had hagis yet. Yeah,
I don't think I'm going to like it. I would like I'll try
it. I'll try it on. I'll try it once. I told my
wife, I try anything once. I've never tried hagis. But yeah,
but all the all the Asian foods, I love, Thai food. Yeah,
the Philippines. Man, they were eating which is like an unhatched duck
inside of an egg that's like, I don't know, weeks old or something
like that. Yes, it's like I ain't eating that. Yeah. Yeah,
Josh has talked about that. Apparently that's a delicacy for his family.
So yeah, yeah, that's great, Okay talking about it. I'm like,
Ye'll tell you, I'll do you a favor and let you have my
share of that. That's right, that's right. Yeah, Yeah, I'd
like to try it once just to say I did. But yeah, apparently
it's pretty inhumane the way they do it. That's what I was talking to
my wife about it. She's like, I don't want to eat that just
because it's inhumane the way they do it. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
yeah, but I mean, look at the way the pigs are treated
for bacon, you know what I mean. Like, it's true, true,
I'm just not We're talking about rattlesnake and bull nuts. I'm not eating
none of that. Rattlesnake is good, fantastic, but I had I had
mountain oysters one time, and there was so much breading around them you couldn't
really tell what they were. So yeah, I don't know about that.
Yeah, but I'm kind of back on amateur radio here. Maybe the last
question here, Bill's ask how or where do you find a chart or list
of the limits of spurry missions frequencies versus power? As Ape explained, it's
Part ninety seven, Section forty seven, I believe. So just go to
Google and type in part ninety seven and spurious emissions amateur radio, and it'll
probably pull up the Cornell website to that link and you can check it in
there. And then Bill, once you start messing around with it, you'll
you'll start to be like, oh, well, five watts is thirty seven,
ten watts is forty dB. You know, you'll it's it's just like
anything else. Then when you start doing it and become second nature to you,
interesting, Josh is coming back at you. That's funny, I know.
But as you were as listen, it's not a human so how can
it be inhumane? You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't get
that. Well, there's there's there's there's such a there's such a thing to
be said for the ethical treatment of animals, Like you know, these these
slaughterhouses that feed cows a bunch of corn and where they can't even move around
and to get them all fat and everything. Yeah, well but grass fed,
free range cattle tastes better than that slaughterhouse crap does anyway. Yeah,
we pretty much grass fed. So do we we buy our lot? Well,
I shoot a lot of our meat because I have the deer lease,
So we eat a lot of venison and pork, and then we have a
we have a local butcher here in town that slaughters a cow every couple of
months or something, and we'll buy our our meat, our beef locally here
as well, so we don't even buy I don't think we bought meat except
for chicken beef. I don't think we bought any red meat at the store
for like five years. Yeah. We have a guy that does grass fed
longhorn close by, and so yeah, yeah, that's super lean, yo.
Like some people want like a nice, big, old, fatty ribbie
or something like that. So you want to get like a angus cow or
whatever it is for that. But yeah, yeah, yeah, well,
well, Josh, I will try it. I said I would try anything
once, and I would try it, but I just heard it was inhumane.
I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm thinking of, oh, you know
what I'm thinking of. I think I'm thinking of fog wa frog. That's
like, yeah, it's like a it's no, it's like a fatty goose
liver. Yeah, and they and they and they and they forced fees the
goose a bunch of meat, so it gets really fat. So it's the
liver gets big. Yeah. I never had that either, But but ballute
is a fertilized egg, so I mean it would have hashed if they didn't
not right, right exactly, Yeah, but they're still rolling dice. Man,
you don't know. I mean, you know, they've got like veins
and stuff, and they're all like membranes and stuff. You know. I
heard it looks weird. So you get you look at it, you're like,
what the heck is I don't know. I've never had it. I
don't know Josh likes I think I'm pretty sure Josh said he liked it.
So when every time he says that he would drink one of my pickle beers,
it'd be like, well, yeah, but you're weird already, dude.
I'll drink a pickle beer any day over. Has it tried ballute yet?
The same veal as human? But if you no, no, no
ballue. I haven't even tried the goose liver is fog wah or how you
say that? Yeah, but you I thought you said you had ballute.
Okay, maybe I'm thinking of something else. Well, no, Josh,
you's gotta try ballue. I thought he said it was something that something that
was popular in Chinese culture, which his wife is Chinese. Well, we'll
just find a restaurant at the next hand fish and we'll go. I'll try
it. It was Vietnamese culture. Yeah, I don't think you're gonna find
it. Well, what's the next one. It's gonna be Orlando Leando.
Yeah, Orlando's the next big get get together. Yeah, Orlando. And
then uh it's like February, right, this week of February right, yeah,
yep. I still can't forget how how you came up to me?
Right? I was like so dazed, like, yeah, well, the
worst was h MRDI will probably tell you I I I groped. I don't
know, but it was it was in a non sexual way, and uh
story please, I didn't know this. Yeah. Well, the thing is,
nobody knew I was going to be there, and it was funny because
I didn't want to get spotted. So even when I pulled into the parking
lot, I had my COVID mask on, you know what I'm saying.
And then that way I was able to make my way into the into the
into the fair grounds with anybody know one. Yeah. Yeah, And you
gave them your your g M R S license at the window. You don't
have to, you don't have to give a license to get in, so
they and when you go up, you just tell them a name and they
go to the will call box and hand it to you. They didn't even
check out idea or anything like that, because I was going to tell them,
as a sovereign citizen, it's unconstitutional for them to ask for my identification.
So more more more so than that, we actually welcome newcomers into ham
Radio. Yeah, yeah, exactly because we should or we should be and
then those of you who don't can go go back to q r Z and
stay there. Yeah. A lot of people bring their their old lady right,
and a lot of times they're not Hams. So down in Orlando they
had a nice tupperware section in one of the Oh they usually have nice jewelry
and or handbags. When I shoot my pictures for random stuff I find,
I make sure it's not some of that are the stuff that's open up for
the ladies there, because I'm not trying to pick on that, And and
I think it's awesome that they're there. And there's sometimes cool crafts there.
There was a guy that did chainsaw art at Huntsville. No cool crafts is
what he says. Cool crafts. Cool crafts. Mm hmmm, we'll talking
about frog legs. Now frog legs are damn good, guys, I don't
really good. Another chicken wings it's like it's like it's like very lean,
juicy chicken if I was hungry. But like I got a pile frog legs
are good. Good. I don't eat bugs, reptiles or amphibians. Kangaroo.
I'll try kangaroo. I've had kangaroo. That's actually, haven't I haven't
had kangaroo. No, I haven't done that. I tried tim tans and
those are amazing. They those are kangaroo cookies, right, Kangaroo taste real
minerally, like it's it's kind of like a real mineral. Yeah. But
like I had kangaroo burgers, I had a kangaroo steak. I had kangaroos.
I've been to Australia work, so I haven't tried that yet. Well,
guys, thank you very much for joining tonight. This was a really
interesting stream. You're going to be seeing more of this being used on the
channel, I think, because every time I get a new radio I have
at least one commentary that says, why don't you put on a spectrum analyzer.
I'm like, okay, well now I can do that. Yeah,
So which is a good it's a good question. It's a fair question.
So no, we we kind of have a responsibility as amateur radio reviewers to
do it. Yeah. Yeah, So when you get the connectors in or
whatever, if you want to catch up offline, I'll show you what I
got and then we can do okay, okay, cool, Thanks for having
me on. Thanks everybody in chat. Had a great time tonight, absolutely
yeah, thanks Ape. It's always good to have you on. Good,
good, good wealth of information and knowledge there. So I appreciate your uh
your expertise tonight for sure. So yeah, you guys have a good one.
We'll see you tomorrow night on Monday Night Ham Radio. I have a
premiere tomorrow. I think a couple of other people go too, so good
okay, so uh yeah, we'll see you then. Thanks guys, appreciate
it way goodbye bye,