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What's up everybody? Welcome back to
the show. My name is Adam.

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I am going to be your host
here on Hobby Hotline episode three oh one.

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I'm here with Chris from Stale Gum
and Brody the Kid. Chris will

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start with you. How's your week
been going? What's been up to?

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Are we frozen? We were frozen
there for just a moment. Oh okay,

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okay, well hopefully right now.
Hopefully it worked there. So okay,

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sorry, So Chris, uh for
you? How's your weekmen going?

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What you been up to be doing? Just fine? I'm about to uh,

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tomorrow's my birthday, all right,
you can I'm gonna be uh but

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uh, you know, other than
that, I've I've actually I'm in the

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process of transferring most of my my
uncle's house in New Jersey, which is

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where I kind of kept it when
I moved, and I'm kind of rediscovering

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all of my old cards from the
late nineties and I'll I'll just say I

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didn't uh A lot of them have
come come out bricked. So uh yeah,

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so let's get some uh, let's
get some happy birthdays in the chat.

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Here for Chris celebrating his twenty first
birthday. Can you believe that?

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So, yeah, my twenty ninth
anniversary of that. Very very excited.

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Yes, I will be at the
Union game tonight, so nice. Ye.

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See if you see Chris or you
hit him up on Twitter or whatever,

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make sure I wish happy birthday,
Brody. Same question to you.

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How's your week been going? What
you been up to? You're are you

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still in high school? Like are
you almost done with school and stuff too?

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Yeah? I just finished school this
week. I'm going into my junior

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year, so right at the early
birthday at Chris too. I've been watching

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college baseball. It's been fun.
College World Series. Georgia is in Illinois,

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so it's been it's been fun watching
college baseball. Nice. Yeah,

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Georgia has a player, uh Condon, I think his name is first baseman.

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Yeah, he's I'm pretty sure he's
playing. So I live on Cape

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Cod and there's something called the Cape
Cod Baseball League, which is like one

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of the main like premier college sport
or baseball leagues basically and during the summer,

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and he's coming to play for the
team that plays in my town.

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So I'm pretty excited. Yeah,
he's been he's been absolutely on a tear.

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So yeah, college baseball one of
those times of the year that you

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know, it feels like it comes
and goes ever every so quickly, and

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then same with the you know,
litt League World's is probably coming up to

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But as we're in this time of
the year, this also means that we

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have the NBA Finals, and that
is the topic we actually are going to

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start off today's episode with because now
we have the finals are locked between my

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Boston Celtics, so I think probably
everybody knows who I will be rooting for

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in this series and the Dallas Mavericks, So this is gonna be It should

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be a pretty exciting series, I
think. I don't know. I mean,

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I'm not gonna give any predictions necessarily
because I'm obviously rooting for the Celtics,

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so my prediction would be the Celtics. Chris, I'll start with you

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here, what do you think of
the finals so far or what do you

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think of the finals and how like, how do you think it's going to

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or if it will affect Cards really
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from a hobby perspective, you have
what Jason Tatum is the big star for

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Boston and with Dallas you have Luca
and you have Kyrie Irving, who's kind

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of his career has kind of been
reborn in Dallas. He's no longer really

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a head case anymore, and he's
kind of been that good number two guy

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for Luca. So I'm kind of
excited for this series. I think it's

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gonna be I think I will go
at least six. I would think even

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seven, But I think Boston.
I think Boston. And I say this

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as a seventy six ers fan,
I still can't believe we trade it up

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to get Markel Foltz the year,
but I think if I have Boston in

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seven. So Brody saying with you, what do you think of the finals?

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What do you you know, kind
of a interesting matchup, probably one

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of Boston's toughest matchups. We'll see, but what are your thoughts overall?

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I mean, I think from a
high perspective, this is good either way,

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no matter who wins. Tatum and
Luca back to back years drafted,

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so I think ali perspective, it's
definitely good. I think Celtics and six

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or seven, I think they're I
think they're better built, but I think

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Luca is definitely the best player.
But I think Tatum Finals MVPs my prediction,

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but yeah, it should be a
good series to watch. Yeah.

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Now, I think one of the
interesting things that's happened within sports cards over

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the past few years is, you
know, players like Luca and players like

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Tatum, their prices seem to already
involve MVPs and championships because if you look

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at you know, Tatum maybe a
little bit differently, but Luca at one

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point he was like one of the
hottest players in the hobby, and I

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would I mean, I would argue
that he probably was before uh, you

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know, during the twenty twenty twenty
twenty one year, stuff was fluctuating,

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going up, going down. It
was pretty crazy. But I think a

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lot of for Luca, championships and
MVPs, like I was saying, was

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already baked into some of his prices. So, Chris, I'll ask you,

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since you, I think you've probably
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longer than I have, back before
maybe the twenty because I twenty eighteen is

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really when I got back in,
So back maybe early twenty tens, what

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was really affecting sports card prices?
Like if you have a perspective on that,

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because, like I said, I
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the I would call it a reactionary
market since I've been in sports card,

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So like, was that the same
was it the same way before the twenty

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twenty twenty twenty one boom that we
saw Chris. A lot of that had

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to do with performance and perceived future
performance. So if you were drafted to

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a team that was expected to go
on a playoff run or even and in

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a finals run, you know,
a lot of that value was baked into

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it. In the case of Luka
Doncic, I think it's important to understand

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that during COVID, I mean,
this guy basically carried the basketball hobby during

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COVID, So I think a lot
of I mean, regardless of the results

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of this of this series, I
think a lot of his value is is

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pretty much baked in right now.
So yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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That's kind of like the weird thing. Like I said, it's just

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it seems like the hobby has just
agreed that Luca would be At one point,

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they were just like, yeah,
Luca's gonna win like four or five

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championships, and it's like, well
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players who have won more than one, it's really a slim list, and

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Luca hadn't even this is the farthest. And I don't even know if Luca

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had played in the conference finals before
this year, like this is this is

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a big step up for Luca,
Tatum and Brown, are you know they're

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they've been here before, They've been
in the finals before and they lost.

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So I mean, obviously a Celtics
fan, I'm rooting for them. But

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Brody, I'll ask you this question, do you think that either player or

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I mean, I guess you could
put Brown in that conversation because he's part

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of kind of the modern modern sports
card like twenty seventeen for him twenty sixteen,

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and then Tatum was twenty seventeen,
then Lucas twenty eighteen. Do you

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think that any of these players are
gonna see a spike in their card prices

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because of the finals? I mean, potentially, But I mean, like

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we saw Anthony Edwards, his cards
were going crazy and he just got to

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the conference finals and they lost in
five, and his cards were going absolutely

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bonkers just because he got to the
conference finals and he had a couple of

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really good games. So I mean, they could see a potential rise,

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but they'd have to have some really
good games and like really maybe like go

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on to sweep or like win in
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increase, right, And I want
to give a shout out to Rex over

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at the Sports Card Shop got us
up in the big TVs there. Mike

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also said he got us up on
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Shout out to Mike for that.
I mean, that's obviously being a

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little hyperbolic there. Hopefully at least
one of the Costco team these hoses up

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there, you never really know we're
we're making a big time here at the

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Costco. Somebody said Luca, Luca
definitely gets a bump in value once he

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gets a ring. Same thing happened
with Giannis. Uh. There's another level

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once players get a ring. And
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an interesting conversation. I think,
like the the ring conversation for sports cards.

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Does it you know, Chris,
I'll ask you this question, does

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having a ring matter within sports cards? I think everybody within the media would

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say would say one way, But
I think within cards, do you think

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card values really are tied to winning
championships. How many rings does do Mike

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Trout and have? That's a great
question. Zero I value, right,

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I mean it doesn't hurt, right
if these guys eventually win a championship.

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But you know, if you're recognized
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players in the game right now,
I mean, that's got to do something

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for your card value. So right, yeah, that makes sense. I

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also want to ask, so MD
sports cards that uh ask Peyton Manning if

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rings matter in sports cards? You
know, Peyton Manning one of the winning

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his quarterbacks in NFL history. Somehow
you could still find his cards relatively cheap,

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I mean relatively can all things considered
within football? Now, So I

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got two other questions for you,
So Brody, I'll ask you. So

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let's just we'll move past the finals
a little bit here. Let's just say

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in two weeks whatever, whichever team
is one, hopefully the Celtics, but

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whatever, let's just say two weeks
from now. Is there any advice you

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have for anybody who's looking to buy
any cards right now? Or are you

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are you telling people like what's are
you telling people to wait potentially till the

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offseason? Kind of what's what's maybe
your advice for the finals, and then

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maybe potentially after the finals as well. I want to buy anybody that's in

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the finals. I'd wait until like
closer to the season. I mean after

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somebody's been to the finals, and
especially a team that wins and they've had

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a great finals and they just won, especially if it's their first ring.

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I mean, don't go and buy
an expensive Luca cart after he just won

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his first ring. I mean,
wait a little bit to his markets cooled

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off right totally, and also something
to it, something important to remember.

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We also have the Olympics coming up
and for basketball this summer, which I

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think Tatum, I don't know if
Brown is on the team, but I

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know Tatum's on the team. So
we're gonna be seeing more of these players

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this offseason than we have previously through
other off seasons. I think one of

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the cool cards for Lebron actually that
I bought a while back was like there

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was a Fleer two thousand and four
USA card that was really cool. So

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maybe we'll see some USA cards potentially
coming out this summer. I don't know,

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if I guess it would still be
Pennini would have that license. Maybe

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I don't know, Chris says the
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I don't know who has that.
That is a good question. Anybody in

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the chat know, which you know
chat the chat may or may not know,

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but anybody in the chat know whether
whether Tops or Panini's gonna be making

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basketball like for the USA cards,
because that's gonna be a very interesting set,

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I mean, especially with you know, it's probably Lebron's last Olympics,

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last last time with team USA potentially
as well. I don't know the Olympics

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for sure, because the next Olympics
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I don't know what other you know, there was like the FOBA Championship last

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summer right at the World Cup,
yeah, which I mean some players don't

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really take super seriously. So the
Olympics, it seems like they're they've really

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got the a team out there for
the Olympics this year. So and just

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remember so, like I said,
we have more time with these players,

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which look, I hope there's not
more injuries, That's what I'll say,

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because it seems for these types of
players that are playing in the fine,

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which I don't, I think it's
Kyrie on that team. I don't I'm

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not one hundred percent sure, but
Luca will probably be playing for whichever country

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he played at Slovakias or does anyone
know off the top of their head for

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Luca. Just look up real quick, because I know that if Yugoslavia was

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still a country that I saw a
crazy statistic that Luca and Joki will be

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playing on the same team. If
that was the same uh Sylvania, Yep,

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I guess we'll move on from this
topic. I mean, I want to

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give everybody a shout out in the
chat as well. Make sure you comment

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where SELVENI ye, thank you.
Make sure you leave a comment where everybody's

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watching the show. I love checking
out to see how nationwide we're becoming.

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Basically here on Hobby Hotline episode three
oh three. Like I said, make

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sure you like fallow the stream,
all that kind of good stuff if you

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want to support the show. Also
will be we have a slot on Hobby

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Palooza coming up on the twenty sevenecond
of June, I believe, so make

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sure you're on the lookout for that
Hobby pull out tons of tons of fun.

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We got something from Philadelphia, we
got Oklahoma, very exciting. Uh.

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The next topic we're gonna move on
to is another hobby superstar that kind

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of made his rise throughout the hobby
through covid uh, and that is oh

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I did stop sharing. Uh.
That is going to be Jason Dominguez and

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his one of one was pulled and
some of you may remember that. Actually

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the original story was that someone pulled
the one of one at a game,

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So I don't know what that pack
would have been. I don't know if

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that was part of the story.
I don't know if any either of you

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guys remember what story it was.
But he pulled the card at a game

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and then it comes back and came
back at PSA ten, which is I

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mean, pretty impressive. You can
tell. You can tell that PSA kind

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of does the thing with the the
centering, so they I think there's like

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sixty forty. I'm pretty sure where
they're pretty leanient on the centering. I

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don't think I would have given this
one to ten based on this centering being

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super obvious and based on the I
don't know, based on the If PSA

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had a nine and a half grade, it would probably get a nine and

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a half, right, right,
I agree, because the card, the

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card does look pretty clean. Uh, it's just that centering that's off.

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So you know, Chris, I'll
kick to you. What are your kind

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of what are your thoughts on the
card, thoughts on the story in general?

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I mean, I think I think
it's right. I think this was

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at a Phillies home game early earlier
in the year, and I think it

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was pulled out of a hangar box. I want to say. So.

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The fact that it was pulled at
a and this person didn't have like penny

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sleeves or a top loader to put
it in, right, right, that's

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funny. I guess they just throw
it back in the box and somehow this

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got a PSA ten. I don't
if I were at a game and i'd

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pull up, I buy a pack
of cards, and I pull a valuable

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card like this, there's no way
it's coming home as a ten. That

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to me. The fact that it
came back as a ten without, you

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know, without any proper cardboard protection, that's the part that amazes me.

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Yeah, this is it's almost like
a like a curb your enthusiasm skit where

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it's like the guys into sports cards, and he pulled this card that I

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mean, I don't know how much
it'll sell for. I mean it's probably

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you know, Dumigas has been hurt, so like he's still is kind of

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in that prospecting mode for sure,
but like somebody who doesn't if he's with

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a group of people, have no
idea about anything about sports cards. And

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he pulls this card and he's like, I have to go, guys,

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I got to get out of here, and they're just like, well why.

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It's like I have this thing that's
probably worth like ten thousand dollars in

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my hand right now. I got
to get out of here. Like I

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would love to have seen that part
of the story and seen like a behind

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the scenes footage of like how that
guy got out. Like for me,

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i'd just be holding in my hand, like don't get near me, don't

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touch me, don't get near me. Brody, I I SA same kind

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of question to you. What were
your kind of initial thoughts when you saw

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the ten and just the story itself
overall. I mean, I think it's

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pretty awesome that they pulled this at
a game, because I've seen like it

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seems like more cards have been at
games recently, I think is awesome.

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But I mean the way they were
holding this card. I can't believe those

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corners didn't have more problems with it
because it just seemed like their hands were

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kind of over the But it surprised
me, to be honest. But I

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mean, awesome story. I mean, I always bring sleeves and topplers in

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case I find any cards that game, so I'm usually always ready just in

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case. But pretty cool story,
Pretty awesome, Yeah, definitely. And

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then somebody said, h will the
will the Domacica is one of one sell

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higher than eighty nine Costco TVs and
Mike's hot Dog. Yeah, I know,

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you mean I guess, well,
I guess we'll guess we'll see there.

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That's the and a half Costco hot
dog that comes with to drink.

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Yeah. Probably probably. Yeah.
Yeah, So, I mean, I

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think cards at game. I almost
think that they card stores at games.

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I think would be if they're selling
cards, they should have top loaders and

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stuff. I mean, this is
probably a one in a billion chance that

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this card was to be pulled at
that moment at the game. Again,

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I forget who I was listening to. I was listening to someone else's podcast,

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and they were saying that, like, oh, no, you know

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what it might have been. It
might have been Chris Carlin was on Chris

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Carlin from PSA was on someone's show. Maybe it might have been the DA

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Card DA Show, where he was
like, yeah, I'm actually surprised a

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lot of cards would just get a
PSA ten in general. And this is

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something that I've thought for a little
bit too. It's like, do the

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scaling of PSA tens. I think
it should. I think it needs a

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change. I don't think they can
change it within one year, go retroactively,

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but I think maybe next year said
or the star of one year.

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I do think that need to make
a little bit of an adjustment when it

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comes to what cards are grading a
PSA ten or what cards like how they're

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just being graded in general. And
so Chris, I'll ask you this,

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like, so you know this card
gets a PSA ten. Do you think

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the PSA ten do you think it's
gotten stale? Almost like no pun intended,

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but like, do you think it's
gotten like to a point where it's

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like it's sure you want the PSA
ten, but it's like you get you're

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expecting to get a PSA ten,
which is yeah, I don't think that's

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what it should be. I mean, well, first of all, credit

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to the card companies for making cards
that you know, you know, a

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generation ago, you weren't really guaranteed
to get mint cards out of a pack.

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You probably would get a few off
center cards, maybe some wrong backs,

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some gum stains and wax stained cards. And it seems like every card

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that you get would grade a minimum
of A nine or a nine to five

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these days. So I think what
that said, since so many cards are

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coming out of the pack as nine's
are better than the allure of a ten

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really doesn't have what A ten isn't
what it used to be. You know.

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Now, as far as PSA may
be changing their scale, now you're

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getting into the trouble that Beckett did
last year when they announced that they were

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going to change their scale and have
I think it was three different versions of

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a ten. You have the regular
ten, the black label ten, and

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then kind of almost like a nine
and three quarters, but we're gonna call

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it a ten, I think.
If you know, I remember when when

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PSA added half grades about a decade
and a half ago, I noticed that

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they didn't include a nine and a
half grade, And I think that that

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was for this reason, is that
collectors, collectors would prefer in their cards

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be a ten then instead of it
being a nine and a half, even

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if it is a kind of an
imperfect ten and should have been a nine

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and a half. So so yeah, I mean I think too here.

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Like you know, I think there's
always a debate I've seen about grading one

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of ones and if you should do
it, if it's worth it. I

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I don't know, I'm not I
don't know if I if I fully have

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a stance one way or the other. But you know, Brody, I'll

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ask you, like, do you
think grading one of ones? Do you

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think it's something where do you think
it's worth it? Because like, if

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you get a ten, obviously that's
great, But if you get if you

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get a nine, you're probably breaking
even in terms of what's gonna happen to

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the price eight or below, that's
where things get a little bit sketchy,

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I think, in terms of what
could happen to pricing. So do you

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think do you think grading one of
one's cards like this is worth the risk

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of the what could happen the price? If you're looking to sell it.

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I mean, if it's a card
like this, I think it's probably worth

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it just because I mean there's probably
somebody that would pay a lot for somebody

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like the Mingas. But I mean
if it's more of a random one on

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one then probably not right. Yeah, Yeah, I think like you said,

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I think it's a it really I
think goes on case by case basis.

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I think some cards should you should
probably try and grade them some of

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them. I don't know what you
would really do. I mean I don't

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know, like do you put it
in like a some sort you know,

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what's the MA the mag case or
I don't know exactly what you'd do here.

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Now, Chris, I'll ask you
this question. With with Jason Dimingez,

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for example, I think he's had
an interesting and interesting ride throughout the

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hobby here because he was the guy
during COVID that everyone wanted coming out of

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Bowmen. They basically created a new
product for him, like with the with

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the first the Bowman first, but
then it was like the first edition Bowman

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that came out that was the first
year that they had done that, or

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at least first year in a while. And then you know, he makes

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his debut last year in the majors. He plays pretty well, but then

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he has to get Tommy John surgery
and he's gonna be out for a while.

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And now, I mean, luckily
for him, he's not a pitcher,

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so he his recovery is probably a
little bit shorter. So he hasn't

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made his debut yet. Now.
If so, I'm gonna ask you this

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question, Chris, do you have
advice for anybody who is holding Domingos and

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looking to sell. Is it like
a now time to sell? Or would

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you wait until he makes his debut
again? Or do you think like because

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he already made his debut, the
juice that you would get from that moment

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in his career has already gone.
This guy, to me has serious Ruben

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Rivera vibes. Do y'all remember Ruben
Rivera. He was a big Yankee prospect

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about twenty five thirty years ago,
canned out, he kinda He's best known

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for trying to steal Derek Jeter's glove
from the locker room. But yeah,

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I remember his first bowman's were like
twenty dollars bills right out of the pack.

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And keep in mind this was nineteen
ninety four, where they didn't have

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inserts or anything. So I would
say, if you have this card,

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sell it, get what you can
for it, because I think the market

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on this and again I mean,
who knows with prospects anymore, what what

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you're going to get from these guys, right, I would say, sell

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while you can and cash out,
right, Yeah, I think I think

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that makes sense. And I would
say, you know, I always think

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that the buying and selling of prospects
is what you should do to get the

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cards that you don't want to sell. I think there are tons of different

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ways to get those funds in my
opinion. You know, whether whatever you're

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however you're trying to sell. But
I think the prospecting, the long term

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holding of prospecting, I think has
really run its course within the hobby.

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Like I think, again, I
keep referencing COVID times, but like twenty

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eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, I think people were much more looking

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into long term prospecting, which may
or may not have been the right move

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potentially. So Proty, I'll see
you this question. We're going to move

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on to a topic that's very similar
to this one actually, but obviously a

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little bit different. So proty.
I'll ask you, like if you are

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you know, when you're buying and
selling cards, like are you, like

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how how much are you prospecting and
looking into like the short term hold or

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are you mainly buying cards for the
long term or do you really just kind

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of buy cards and you really don't
buy and sell. I mean, I'm

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interested in what your kind of strategy
is there. I buy some cards,

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but it's mainly PC stuff, And
if I'm buying anything that's more expensive,

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it's really guys that I know have
done stuff like Ohtani, like I know

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Tani looks like a superstar, or
Trout like he was at least a superstar,

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at least at the time, Like
a couple of years ago, we

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know Trout was a superstar. Maybe
now he might you know, he might

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never except as he might not play
much longer. But or guys in the

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NBA like Tatum kind of he's a
superstar. I mean trading. When I'm

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trading, I'm looking for guys like
Otani, guys for my PC. If

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I'm prospecting, it's White Sox,
it's guys for my PC. I'm not

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going out of my way for random
prospects. Like to mean, it's just

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not what I do, right,
Yeah, I'm kind of similar. I

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mean I wish I could, you
know, the buying and selling of prospects

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seems like a lot of fun,
but I'm just I don't have the time

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really to spend diving into all the
data, especially when I mean, for

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me, this isn't a full time
business. So like for people who for

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full time business people within the hobby, it's probably something that they have to

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do this type of prospecting for the
buying and selling. But yeah, so

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the the next topic, like I
said, is very similar to this one,

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not exactly the same, but something
that I've seen floating around on Twitter

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is apparently some people have noticed this. I've noticed it, but I've kind

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of noticed it. Once other people
started talking about it, was Tops in

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their marketing has started to really push
I guess you could maybe call it a

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narrative, maybe not, but they've
started to push sort of the retail cards

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that people are pulling these crazy cards
out of retail. And I'm wondering,

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you know, Chris, I'll start
with you, is this something that you've

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seen or is this something that you
think is just you know, it's it's

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maybe just a coincidence that Tops is
doing this. They're not really trying to

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push any type of narrative necessarily.
It's just something that's happening, and Tops

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is kind of talking about it more
and the fact that now that we're seeing

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it, it's more of like when
you buy a car and you see everyone

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else has the same car as you. Do you think it's more like that

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or do you think Tops is actually
doing something here with their marketing, trying

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to push retail stuff. Have you
seen the price of hobby blacks lately?

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I mean, how much is a
hobby box? Not the jumbo box,

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but just the regular hobby box of
Bowman Baseball this year it's like two seventy

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five three hundred. Why would you
pay for three hundred dollars for that when

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you can get three or four blaster
boxes at what twenty five thirty dollars and

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basically get the same amount of cards. It's just to me, it's just

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a better deal to buy retail.
And you're still and you know you're probably

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not. You're gonna miss out on
some of the hobby exclusive stuff like the

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orange Wave, Fusia die Cut nuclear
refractor number to one twenty five or whatever.

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Right, yeah, yeah, right, right, yeah, yeah,

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who cares, It's just another parallel. I mean, if you're just interested

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in you know, building your set, building your inserts, and you know,

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if you hit on an autograph or
a low number fractor, which you

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can still get in retail, hey, that's that's a great deal. And

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it also would not surprise me though, with Tops pushing retail that you know,

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they themselves are one of the big
retailers fanatics, so probably that going

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on too, so right right yeah, And and Prety kind of the same

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question to you do you where do
you stand on well, not stand,

407
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,079
I don't know you have you don't
have to make a stand, but what

408
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,559
do you what do you think in
general of like just maybe Tops is trying

409
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,640
to push retail versus hobby. I
suppose, I mean, I mean,

410
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,599
I, like you said, like
Chris said, for hobbies really expensive,

411
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,279
I mean, especially products like Bowlman
and Tops Kerlman Tops Chrome Platinum is like

412
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,319
one hundred and forty bucks. They
think it's some places, so I could

413
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,200
we could give it a blaster for
thirty thirty five bucks. I mean,

414
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:59,200
I got a blaster of Tops Chrome
Platinum and I got two number cards.

415
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,799
It was a fun rep. I
enjoyed it. So, I mean I

416
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:07,759
like retail. I mean a blaster
is basically what one third of a hobby

417
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:11,680
box. So if you buy three
blasters at what thirty dollars each, that's

418
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:17,359
ninety dollars and you're getting basically the
same cards as a one hundred and forty

419
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,079
dollars hobby box. Right, yeah, well you're missing out. You're missing

420
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,799
out on whatever the whatever the guaranteed
stuff that's coming out of the hobby boxes

421
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:29,240
are. But I mean nowadays it's
like on Panine, and this is tops

422
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:33,039
versus Panini, but like in Panini
stuff, you know they're doing you know,

423
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,880
their big thing is that they're on
average, Like they they're saying on

424
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,960
average, there's on average there's two
autographs per box, and people are seeing

425
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,920
that they're really you're getting some people
are getting one, some people are getting

426
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:51,240
done. It's like the I don't
know, the marketing around hobby boxes and

427
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,319
the guaranteed stuff you get out of
hobby boxes. I don't know if I

428
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,279
love it. You know, I
think that if you're going to be trying

429
00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:02,359
to sell hobby it should have a
guarantee that you're gonna get autographs, like

430
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:06,039
there has to be sort of a
sort of an incentive, and I think

431
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:10,000
that's maybe that's what I think the
big difference is that hobby used to be,

432
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,000
like you know, it used to
be fairly reasonably reasonably priced. Like

433
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,039
I mean, I remember buying a
Series two and this is way back in

434
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:25,559
twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen whatever.
The Fernando Tatist Junior first uh first tops

435
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,440
card was I think it was Series
two and twenty nineteen, I'm pretty sure,

436
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:30,960
and it was like it was like
a sixty or seventy dollars box that

437
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,079
I bought. Nowadays you're looking at
blasters and they're like eighty ninety one hundred

438
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,839
dollars for Series one, Series two. It's like that's there's just not the

439
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,319
incentive of it isn't worth it,
unfortunately. And I think you know,

440
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,880
breakers in general, they're the ones
sort of that you know, potentially maybe

441
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,119
driving up some of these prices for
hobby boxes. And like you said,

442
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,400
you could go and find three blasters
of some product at you know, Walmart,

443
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,759
Target wherever you're going and get almost
the same amount of cards. Like

444
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,839
I'm sure you're missing out on certain
guaranteed things you get in hobby boxes,

445
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,039
but just in general, like I
don't even you know, I don't even

446
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:09,720
know if the incentive to get an
autograph out of hobby boxes nowadays is really

447
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:14,920
even worth it, because like you
look at the number of just non rookie

448
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,319
autographs that they're putting in there,
and the fact that like I don't remember

449
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:22,440
which prospect it was, but it
was some prospect that posted like a stack

450
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,720
of like ten thousand cards that he
was signing, and it's like there's that

451
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,440
many cards from one autographs from one
player. It really is. It really

452
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:35,319
is pretty insane, you know,
and no not to you know, this

453
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:39,920
is a one of one autograph,
but you know how many people are nowadays

454
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,599
at least Like I obviously know mov
On, but it's like, you know,

455
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,839
Brody, maybe do you Brody for
I'll ask you, do you even

456
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,000
know Movon? Like do you know
are you aware of mova On? Really?

457
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,119
Like cause he's sort of an older
player, So it's like I'm wondering,

458
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:58,119
do you think at what point do
they need to be careful with what

459
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:00,680
older players they're putting in these Like
so I makes my question he is like,

460
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,519
do you know mov On, Like, is this a player that we

461
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,599
would be interested in? Uh to
pull one of his autographs? I mean,

462
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,640
I know who Mavon is, but
I guess like if I pull his

463
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:14,880
base autograph, I wouldn't be like
jumping out of my chair. I mean,

464
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,119
if I pull a Factor, I'd
be pretty excited. I think think

465
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:21,680
super Fractor is pretty cool, but
I would to be like jumping out of

466
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,839
my chair necessarily. Oh hey,
mov On autograph. But I mean it's

467
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:30,160
still pretty cool, right right?
Uh? And then Rex had some had

468
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,039
some good comments here. So both
both Tops and Panini are now selling blasters

469
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:39,480
in megas directly uh to hobby Hobby
Direct, Hobby account, Hobby shop sorry.

470
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:45,359
Uh. And then in Penini cases
they are Hobby exclusive blasters and megas.

471
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,640
So you know, I don't know, Chris. I'll ask you this

472
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,559
question, and I think it's it's
kind of a it's it's it's sort of

473
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,359
vague in a way. It's like, do you think that there should be

474
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,759
hobby in retail? Do you think
that there should be a difference between the

475
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,359
two products. I understand why there
is, but like, do you even

476
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,680
think that should be a do you
think it should be that way? Like

477
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,880
do you think that everything should all
be together? And then you just have

478
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:15,440
smaller, different size boxes and then
everything is there's no difference between hobby and

479
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,559
retail. It's just the box size
and the number of cards again in the

480
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:22,039
box is different, but there's no
difference between from wherever you're buying it,

481
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,079
I suppose. Because also just real
quick, sorry, because like now your

482
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,400
people can buy retail at hobby shops, so it's like, what's what's even

483
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,800
the difference? It's like, you
know, that's so do you think that

484
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,719
that is? Do you think do
you think they should do it? Do

485
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,239
you think that they should make the
merge or do you think that they should

486
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,800
leave it how they have it?
Well, the reason why we have separate

487
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,639
retail and separate hobby is that,
you know, a lot of these mass

488
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:51,880
market retail outlets like Walmart and Target, they have so much buying power that

489
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,920
they can basically impose on the hobby
that you know, if you want our

490
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:01,760
cards in our store, we want
something that you can't get anywhere else.

491
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:08,119
And you know, for years decades, really products have had retail only inserts

492
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:14,280
and hobby only inserts as well,
So I have no problem with that.

493
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:22,400
But if the retail slash hobby only
insert is just just another parallel, you

494
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:30,880
know, like the orange Wave Fusia
Nuke die cut refractor numbered seventy five or

495
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:38,320
whatever, is that really worth?
Is it really special for that specific product

496
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,920
type? You know, for me, it's not. I mean, and

497
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,000
and by the way, one other
thing, mo Vaughn was a pretty good

498
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:52,280
player, but he needs to give
his MVP Award in ninety five to Albert

499
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,960
Belt because he had a better Yeah. Yeah, obviously as a Red Sox

500
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:01,480
guy, I maybe disagree any MVP
any any awards keep keeping coming. As

501
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:07,679
a fiftys in one season, nobody's
ever done that before or since. Belle

502
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,480
should have won that year, So
sorry, Yeah, I mean, the

503
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:14,639
one thing I remember about mo vaugh
is he had this like crazy should I

504
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,800
hit my money? He had this
like crazy like thing that he did with

505
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,400
his bat. I mean that was
cool, obviously. I mean, again

506
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,000
as red Talk saying, I maybe
I'm a little bit biased here, but

507
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:25,119
Brody, so I'll ask you the
same question, which actually kind of stems

508
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:31,480
from Rex here talking about some of
the the mass market stuff being available in

509
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:35,960
hobby shops is a good news,
is a good move because it gives uh,

510
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,239
it allows people to buy stuff at
a cheaper price point. So at

511
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,079
what point, you know, like
because I think that's sort of the point

512
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,519
here, It's like, at what
point is like when you're buying retail versus

513
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,400
hobby should there not even be a
difference, because like if you can if

514
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,880
if hobby shops are selling retail boss
excuse me, retail boxes, you know,

515
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,880
what's what's really the point? So
I mean, for you, do

516
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,519
you think that there should be a
difference or do you think what they what

517
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,039
they're doing now is fine? And
even even the hobby shops, you know,

518
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,039
hobby shops buying retail blasters is also
you know, part just part of

519
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,360
part of the ecosystem, I suppose. I mean, I think it's fine

520
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,280
because I think, well, like
Rex said, I mean, I think

521
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,800
it's good for the market because they
can sell it, like they could sell

522
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,079
blasters to kids, and then like
the people that want to chase after the

523
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:27,239
case that can buy hobby and jumbo
and whatever, you know, I mean,

524
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,559
I don't know, I mean,
the hobby and jumbos are just so

525
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,840
expensive it's hard to really deep dive. But it's like Chris, like,

526
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,000
if you want the oranges and whatever
else is in the hobby, I mean,

527
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:42,360
go by a hobby. But if
you just want to collect the sets

528
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,840
and have a chance at the autos
and stuff like that, buy retail.

529
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,079
Or if you're a kid who don't
have that much money, buy retail as

530
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,719
well. And now, Adam,
I'm gonna make you a little jealous here

531
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,039
because of my blaster bucks. I
pulled this nice Brian Bayo gold auto.

532
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,719
Oh nice baby Pedro. Yeah he's
been I mean of I don't I don't

533
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,239
want to get started on the Red
Sox and how much they pissed me off

534
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,480
just because they you know, they
they they're they're pretty good at the getting

535
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:13,719
prospects through the system, but like
they've really basically I'm not actually not even

536
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,719
gonna get into it because I'll just
ran for the rest of the show about

537
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,360
how the Red Sox pissed me off. But yeah, Bejo, I really

538
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,679
I do like him. Like I
said, good prospects. Maybe the rest

539
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,280
of the team they kind of are
just the ownership mailing it in a little

540
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,719
bit when it comes to trying to
get trying to get some of these players

541
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,320
with about fifteen and forty three.
You know what I'm saying, right,

542
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,719
that could? That could? That
is true. Also, let's see if

543
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,480
we got any stuff in the chat
here, we got people talking about we

544
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:42,480
got people talking about Mova. If
Movaon walked into my bedroom, I'd put

545
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,559
oh Jesus, I should preread some
of these before I put them up on

546
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:51,239
the screen. Are you jumping out
of your chair, big dude? Yeah?

547
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,920
Mova is he was massive. Let's
see. Yeah, exciting. I

548
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,440
mean, my thoughts on it,
I think that I agree with both what

549
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:04,119
both of you guys said. It's
like, you should have a cheap,

550
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:10,000
a cheaper option for people to get
these cards where they don't have to spend

551
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:14,719
you know, you're not shilling out
two hundred dollars because realistically, like two

552
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,960
hundred dollars, like the amount of
cards you could if you were to buy

553
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:21,400
singles with two hundred dollars, which
I know that people are probably sick of

554
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,920
hearing that type of advice. It's
like, yeah, obviously you're buying singles,

555
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,239
you're getting the card exactly what you
want, but you know, two

556
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,960
hundred dollars, three hundred dollars for
a blaster box, or I mean,

557
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,880
not a blaster a hobby box is
out of the as out of the price

558
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,119
range for a lot of people.
And I do wonder, I wonder what

559
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:44,199
percentage, which I would imagine it's
probably pretty high of breakers are actually the

560
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,239
ones buying a lot of these boxes
versus just normal people, not breakers at

561
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,199
all. Like i'd imagine, it's
probably skewed in the breaker direction, which

562
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,320
could be causing some of the pricing. I would say, But you know,

563
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,960
I don't know, it's it's it's
that's all speculation. There's no hard

564
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,320
data that I really have there that
can I can point to, I suppose.

565
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,960
But so we're actually going to move
on to our it'll probably be the

566
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,119
last topic. It might be the
last topic. We might have one after

567
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:14,679
this. But an interesting article that
has been kind of or an interesting piece

568
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,719
of news. It's kind kind of
been floating around a lot of I guess

569
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:24,519
what you could call mainstream sports media. So Perfect Game and Fanatics signed a

570
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,880
partnership, but the partnership may not
be very good. And Chris, you

571
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,159
were explaining this to me before the
show, and I think you have a

572
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:35,719
pretty good rundown on what exactly is
happening here. So I'll let you have

573
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,920
the floor and just kind of give
us a give us a give us a

574
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,079
little bit of a spark noted version
of what exactly is going on here.

575
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:46,480
Okay, So Perfect Game, I
think for people that have collected Bowman cards

576
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:52,880
over the last ten, fifteen,
twenty years of have come across this Perfect

577
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Game outfit, and they're they're a
scouting service, and what they do is

578
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:05,159
that if you're a sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year old kid who aspires to

579
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,400
play baseball at the next level,
either to get drafted or to get a

580
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:16,360
college scholarship, Perfect Game brings together
these players for a nominal fee, and

581
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:25,320
they organize these all star games and
showcases for major league scouts and college coaches.

582
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:30,559
And they're probably best known for their
All Star game that they have at

583
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,199
the end of the year where they
invite I think it's fifty or sixty of

584
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,800
the best players. It used to
be called the AFLAC Game, and now

585
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:45,719
it's sponsored by somebody else. And
while I think in the late two thousands

586
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,360
and early twenty tens, Tops actually
made a card set for the AFLAC Game

587
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,880
and had the players sign their cards
and then when they finally signed a pro

588
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:04,559
contract, they would put these cards
in the Bowman packs. I think about

589
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:09,280
a decade ago, Leif took over
the Perfect Game license, but Tops has

590
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,239
been pretty much doing the same thing
with something called the under Armor Game,

591
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:21,719
which is from a competing service called
what are they called and Baseball Factory.

592
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Same thing. Okay, So what
this deal does now is that it brings

593
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:35,280
back those rights, the Perfect Game
rights, into the Fanatics Tops Bowman family.

594
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,079
Now, what Perfect Game has been
doing over the last couple of years

595
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:46,519
is that they've hidden a little clause
into their player release that basically forces these

596
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:53,280
kids to sign away their NIL rights
to Perfect Game. And it's in perpetuity

597
00:42:53,840 --> 00:43:00,880
and as a condition for participating in
some of these more high profile all star

598
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:08,159
games that Perfect Game throws has been
throwing, they have the players sign like

599
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:15,760
hundreds of items like baseballs, photographs, cards, and stickers. Now,

600
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:22,440
what this agreement does with Fanatics is
now, because Perfect Game owns your rights,

601
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:28,760
your NIL rights, they can now
go to to Fanatics. So let's

602
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,440
say you were sixteen, seventeen years
old and you signed up with Perfect Game.

603
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,880
You wound up getting your college scholarship, and now you excel in college

604
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:44,679
baseball so much so that you're projected
to be a high round draft pick.

605
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:50,559
Because you've signed away your nil rights
to Perfect Game, Perfect Game can now

606
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,280
is now going to turn around and
sell those rights to Fanatics, who can

607
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:02,280
now produce a Bowman You branded card
of you without you being compensated for.

608
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:12,679
And because you signed hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of autograph stickers while

609
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,719
you were in Perfect Game, Perfect
Game can now transfer those to Fanatics,

610
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:24,000
so that now your first Bowman Chrome
autograph card could be in a Bowman You

611
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:30,320
product with a sticker autograph on it, and you would not be compensated for

612
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,760
it. I think this deal stinks
to high heaven, and I think a

613
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,960
lot of it's exploitative. It could
be illegal, and a lot of big

614
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:45,639
time agents like the Scott Borises of
the world, are advising high school players

615
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,800
not to sign with Perfect Game because
of this. Yeah, I mean it

616
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,039
really there's two kind of my two
thoughts here. It seems almost like the

617
00:44:55,159 --> 00:45:00,360
opposite of other stuff that Fanatics has
tried to do, like signing play and

618
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,719
trying to give them a bit more
equity when it comes to what they're paying

619
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,559
players. It seems like Fanatics has
done a pretty good job at trying to

620
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:12,119
get players more involved in the industry, and I'm I mean, I'm hoping

621
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:15,400
that means that they're paying the players
a little bit more because you know,

622
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,400
I think the marketing that's done around
a lot of sports card products is very

623
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:23,920
autograph heavy. So like if a
player is, you know, signing however

624
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,159
many autographs, I don't know if
I mean, in my opinion, I

625
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,480
think they probably should be getting a
little bit more money for all the autographs

626
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:34,480
that they're signing. And this is
just doing basically the opposite. This is

627
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:37,320
like we're we're gonna get you,
We're gonna try and get you, but

628
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,079
we're get you as one of our
athletes, but like you're not gonna which

629
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:44,760
I feel like that has there has
to be something here that's missing where it's

630
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,639
like Fanatics is gonna come out and
say that there's a second part of this

631
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,760
deal where I don't know, if
they make it, they get a different

632
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,679
type of nil deal. I don't
know exactly. And the other thing is

633
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:59,599
that I think this is also a
something that we've seen recently, like Panini

634
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,679
did this with a couple of different
like high school athletes where they sign them,

635
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,599
like one of the top recruited quarterbacks
that is it hasn't even said that

636
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,599
he's signing anywhere with with a college
team. He's they they sign him.

637
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,679
So they're almost trying to, I
don't know, maybe one up each other

638
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,760
in terms of who who can sign
the players the earliest to their contracts.

639
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,440
Yeah, because I think nowadays we're
seeing players be much more much more financially

640
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:28,639
savvy around some of these autograph deals
that they're signing. And this this,

641
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,800
like you said, doesn't seem like
something that doesn't seem like something that makes

642
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,320
a lot of sense for the industry. You know, Brody as somebody who

643
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,159
is a little bit you know,
younger in high school. Is this something

644
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,199
that you know? Do you know
anybody that is playing in these types of

645
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,320
games or is going to any of
these types of showcases? Like is this

646
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,599
something that you know for you like, is this something that you know of

647
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,119
people that are like that They're like, no, I'm not gonna do this

648
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,639
or what are kind of your overall
thoughts on the deal? I guess I

649
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,679
mean as a travel baseball player,
a lot of people's goals eventually are to

650
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,519
get the Perfect Game showcases, because
it is a big deal to be at

651
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:13,280
a Perfect Game showcase down the road
to try to get to play college baseball,

652
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,760
but zero compensation. Like no,
you can't do that, like Enuff

653
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,079
said, right, yeah, yeah, And I mean I think too.

654
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:27,519
It's like the Perfect the showcase of
the Perfect Game is a way for players

655
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,519
to get scouted and stuff. So
it's like if you are if you're now

656
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:37,519
financially, if you're adding financial implications
to a player getting getting into the showcase,

657
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,239
I don't know if that's the move, Like I don't. I don't

658
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,880
think that's a good idea because you're
affecting and I understand it's a business move.

659
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,079
It's a money move. You got
sometimes you got to make moves that

660
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:50,280
are maybe a little bit harder than
others. But it's like, you know,

661
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,199
if you like, perfect Game has
always been one of these, like

662
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,360
if you look at a lot of
players that are in the MLB, like

663
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,519
they played in these Perfect Game showcases
before they went to college or before they

664
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,159
played in the MLB. But it
really is a way that players are going

665
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,440
to get their name out there and
important, which I mean I think just

666
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,280
in general baseball, it's like such
a such a convoluted system and it's so

667
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,800
hard to get to the pros that
this is just you're adding a step that's

668
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:19,079
making it more complicated and making it
so that players will have less of an

669
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:22,280
opportunity to play in something like this. So yeah, Chris, I mean,

670
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,800
is this something that you think they're
going to revert or what do you

671
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,920
think the aftermath of this kind of
this deal is going to be? Essentially

672
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:36,239
First of all, I think that
this does eventually get thrown out by the

673
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:42,360
courts. I mean, this reeks
of exploitation. But the thing is is

674
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:49,280
that you know, sixteen seventeen year
old kids can't legally sign these contracts.

675
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,239
It's the parents that do. And
some parents, you know, they're thrilled

676
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,960
their kid's going to be on a
baseball card, and then they don't understand

677
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,800
that, yeah, they're going to
be on a baseball card, but they

678
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:08,320
could also be on a baseball card
and be compensated for their name, image

679
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:15,159
and likeness too. But yeah,
I think this is this is a way

680
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:21,760
for fanatics to I think save some
money too, because when when these guys

681
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:29,000
get drafted, right and let's say
you're trying to assemble a Bowman draft autograph

682
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:34,559
checklist. You know, other than
other than you're signing bonus, you're still

683
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:37,639
not getting paid a whole lot of
money as a minor league baseball player.

684
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:44,400
So signing maybe like five thousand autographs
for tops, you know, that's a

685
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:49,039
quick way to make ten, fifteen, twenty thousand dollars. Well, now,

686
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:54,280
if fanatics already has your autograph on
these stickers that you signed five,

687
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,480
six, seven years ago when you
were in a perfect game showcase, that

688
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:05,280
that's that's another that's another source of
income that you're not going to get as

689
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,800
a player. So right, Yeah, the ramifications of this, especially in

690
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,880
this new era of M and I
L it's a it's a brave new world

691
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,920
that we're just beginning to understand hobbywise. So right, yeah, And I

692
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,559
mean I think I think, like
I was saying before, like players in

693
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,639
the leagues now that are signing any
type of autograph deals, they're definitely signing

694
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,639
higher deals than they were before.
So I mean, if your fanatics,

695
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:38,000
I guess it's you know, unfortunately, it's a pretty ruthless move. I

696
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:42,880
mean, to fanatics has been pretty
much on record, not on record,

697
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,199
but all the moves that they've made
have been like business oriented. They're gonna

698
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:50,400
make money somehow, like they're gonna
figure it out. So getting these players

699
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,199
in the door as early as possible, you know, they may not especially

700
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,960
if you're like you're saying like they're
the agents for these players might just be

701
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,280
their parents, like they may just
they might just not even realize that they're

702
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:04,920
They might even not realize what they're
signing because down the road, these players,

703
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,440
if they're good enough to play in
this you know, granted, I'm

704
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,559
sure it's not a high, super
high percent super high percentage of these players

705
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:15,880
that are kind of going on,
but it's like all they need is one

706
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,840
player, Like really, for a
fanatics, all they need is for one

707
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,760
player in all of it to really
sign this type of contract and then get

708
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,480
to some sort of place in their
career where they would be in Bowman and

709
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:29,239
then they don't have to sign them. Like if they're popular, if they're

710
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,719
good enough, and if they play
well enough that they could be in Bowman,

711
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,960
their autographs are probably going to be
pretty expensive. At that point,

712
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,760
they probably have some sort of actual
real agent. Not because I think I

713
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,360
was reading in one of these articles, they said that because of their ages,

714
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,239
technically they can't have agents. They
can have agents advising them, but

715
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,559
they can't technically have the agents themselves. So yeah, I don't know,

716
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:52,960
I mean, I I don't I
can see why they're doing it, I

717
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,960
don't necessarily love it. So you
know, Brody, I'll kick it to

718
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,519
you for one last kind of conversation
piece and then we'll wrap up. We're

719
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:05,840
getting close to the top of the
hour here, you know, for fanatics

720
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,440
and Panini too, do you think
do you think it's really a good idea

721
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:15,119
for them to be signing these players
at such a young age to any of

722
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:20,360
these like exclusive contracts or do you
think like there has to be something that's

723
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,559
someone that steps in And I know
that there's no real entity that's kind of

724
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:25,880
controlling the sports card industry, but
like that says like they have to be

725
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,199
X age before they can sign any
type of deal with fanatics, Like do

726
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,360
you think that has to happen or
because like I mean, from your perspective,

727
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,000
since you're since you're you know,
younger and you're in high school,

728
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,719
like, do you think that there
should be an age of where they have

729
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,920
to wait to get these NIL deals
or it's like you know, it's a

730
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,239
free for all, you can do
whatever you want. I mean, like

731
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:50,000
you said, I see why they're
doing it. They want to try to

732
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,559
get exclusives with these players as soon
as possible. But I mean it would

733
00:52:54,639 --> 00:53:00,559
be nice if it's like as once
you're drafted or once you sign, But

734
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,320
I just don't think it can happen. I mean, Fanatics is a huge

735
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,119
company. I mean, there's nothing
stopping them for doing as of now,

736
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,599
right, Yeah, I think because
I think that's we're still sort of in

737
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:15,880
the early early stages of NIL and
I don't think that we've really seen I

738
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,519
think we've seen controversies and issues and
like now, I mean even you know,

739
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,440
we're we're there's a huge change within
the NCAA that they're going to be

740
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,079
allowed to pay players. So I
mean this is we're really seeing a huge

741
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,519
shift in not even just in sports
business, and not even just in sports

742
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,800
cards, but just well yeah,
sports business. Sorry, that's what I

743
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,679
meant to say. We're not just
in sports cards, but in sports business

744
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,559
in general. The whole landscape is
really shaped, is really shifting because of

745
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,239
you know, now the NCAA after
hundreds and hundreds of years, they're allowing

746
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:49,960
teams to pay players, which I
think, you know, they should have

747
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,719
probably been looking at this. I
think this was a this was bound to

748
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,440
happen eventually, especially once the nil
deals came around and then the transfer port

749
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:01,159
on all these types of things.
I think the players should be looking out

750
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:06,559
for the players because the NCAA has
been it's very clear that the NCAAA doesn't

751
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,679
really care or doesn't really look out
for the players in general. So the

752
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,840
fact that they're gonna be paying these
players now, I think that's definitely.

753
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,920
I think it's a good thing,
and I think it will depend on you

754
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,599
know, I think the NCAA has
maybe some shady business stuff going on,

755
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,519
so we'll see how it ends up
panning out. But overall, I think

756
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:25,760
it is it's a good thing for
the players. We'll see if it ends

757
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,360
up being a good thing for the
NCAA and the leagues in general. But

758
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:35,320
that is That's pretty much all we
got for today's show. I want to

759
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,840
I'll throw it around the horn one
more time. We'll get your last thoughts,

760
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:43,320
Chris, last thoughts for today's show. Got anything promote anything? Going

761
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,800
on, like, what do you
what do you want to say to the

762
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:50,360
audience before we head out here?
Uh? Dortmund versus Real Madrid, that's

763
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,639
yep in the Champions League Final,
and also Columbus Crew versus Patucca tonight in

764
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:01,599
the Conker CAF Champions League Final.
I'm rooting for Columbus bring it home for

765
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:09,079
MLS. Other than that, I
got nothing else going on. Check out

766
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:16,039
Baseball card Pedia, check out Hobby
News Daily, and check out Steal them

767
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:22,519
on whatever Elon's calling it this week. Yeah, Brodie, same question.

768
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,119
What you got going on? Let
let the audience know we're watching Illinois.

769
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:31,559
Kentucky's hailed Mary Kentucky's a number two
ranked team, and I started Travel baseball.

770
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:35,599
So this might be my last episode
for a while. So we'll see

771
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:37,760
if I can hop on soon.
But we'll see, might have a week

772
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,519
on. Yeah, soon, we'll
we'll have to do something. We'll have

773
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:44,400
to sign you to, like an
nil contract or something get you get you,

774
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,760
like a get you a hobby hotline
nil contract. Yeah, And I

775
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,320
want to say I want to say
thank you to everybody that left comments in

776
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,239
the chat. We had a big
time chat day to day. I saw

777
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,800
a lot of comments in there.
Really appreciate that. Shout out to everybody

778
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,360
watching, depending no matter where you
are, unless you're a Dallas Mavericks fan.

779
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,119
For the next couple of weeks,
I'll be pretty furiously rooting for the

780
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:09,800
Celtics. Maybe we'll see how long
that series goes. But my message always

781
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:15,199
going into these going into the end
of the show here is just you know

782
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,400
there's gonna be questions people have.
Just be kind to people coming into the

783
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,719
hobby. We are still sort of
seeing people come in, come in and

784
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,079
out of the hobby. My message
as always, these people are new,

785
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:28,800
they were in a position that we
were in at one point. So if

786
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,920
they have questions, be nice,
answer the questions for him. Help them

787
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,679
out because you never know one day
they might be in the same boat as

788
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,840
you where they're helping somebody out because
you help them out. Do all of

789
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:43,000
these things. Everybody, thank you
all for listening or watching or any any

790
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:46,039
all that kind of stuff, and
we will see everybody in the next episode.

791
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,400
All right, bro,