1 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:12,080 Lee at the impossible or whatever remains however improbable must be true. And it 2 00:00:12,279 --> 00:00:16,280 is not a question of the little cultism. What a touch of mysticism is 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,440 to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of damned souls and hellipus 4 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:28,960 thy Father's spirit to do it for a certain term, to walk the night 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,600 here the old gods are to dead, and what is the true god? 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:41,920 He's dead? Can't complain. People assume the time is a strict progression of 7 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,840 cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, it's 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:52,759 more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimi stuff. You're listening to 9 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:58,600 Paranormal UK Radio. Hi, everybody, This is Arian Allen, the host 10 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:03,359 of the Paranormal UK Radio show, the flagship show through the Paranormal UK Radio 11 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:11,439 Network and and with Mark Johnson. There we go. Okay, Hey, 12 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:18,079 you have me worried there for a moment. Oh gosh, Mark us. 13 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,840 You know, I just don't know why it happens to me. I really 14 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:27,799 don't know why it happens. I think it's because, Ah, I don't 15 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:30,439 know. I've got no idea. I'm sorry, I've got no idea. 16 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:38,319 But for some reason, your name just escapes me every time. Oh. 17 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:46,359 I have some theories on that. What's come on? Oh well maybe it's 18 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:51,159 not the Maybe you're still stuck on my name from the last lifetime. Ah 19 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,920 yeah good, it's the markle farkele Bit. I like the Mark Farkell. 20 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:04,159 Yeah, that's my aunt's thing. So yeah, how are you? But 21 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:10,080 very very hot. I actually put on a dress today. Wow. I 22 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,639 really don't like dresses very much. I like to I like to wear nice 23 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:21,280 a lot of linen trousers and things like that. But day I actually put 24 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,800 on a dress, so, which is unusual. Like I said, it's 25 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,319 very very unusual. I think the last time I wore a dress was like 26 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,479 when I got married. Wow, long time ago. Yeah, I would 27 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:40,280 assume. So that was last century, yeah said dry before that. I'm 28 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:46,800 not sure, but I did. I put on a dress, and you 29 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,400 know, I wouldn't have worn it out. I really wouldn't have worn it 30 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:57,120 out. I would have It's okay for the garden. Oh, hopefully the 31 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:00,599 weather stays decent by the time I get there in just a two months. 32 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:06,319 Oh, you know it's gonna rain probably, Yeah, you know, it's 33 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,560 neither gonna rain or it's going to snow where the sleep will certainly beyond that 34 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:14,680 day as well in August. Yeah, we've had sleet, snow, We've 35 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,560 had everything. There's a very very strange country boy. You're giving me a 36 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,759 lot to look forward to. I tell you now, right when you arrive, 37 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:30,800 when you come, sandals, swimsuits, shorts, t shirts, trousers, 38 00:03:31,479 --> 00:03:39,360 jackets, jumpers, umbrella and what we call Wellington boots. You'd call 39 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:45,400 them goloshes. Okay, make sure you got it all packed. I will 40 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:51,599 see I don't own glashes, but I will see what I can find that 41 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:54,520 should cover you for the holiday while you're over here. Yeah, that's your 42 00:03:54,520 --> 00:04:00,719 ticket. M Well, while we go ahead and get right into tonight's show. 43 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:08,560 We have limited time tonight, so we want to welcome our guest, 44 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:15,840 doctor Simeon Hine. As a former university professor in statistics and the research methods, 45 00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:19,480 he came across the idea of remote viewing in nineteen ninety six, took 46 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:25,639 it as a skeptic, and the results of the training were surprisingly positive and 47 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,720 convinced them that there's a large area of scientific knowledge that is being withheld from 48 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,800 public discussion. His newest book He's the author of several books, but the 49 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:41,639 newest book is Dark New Dark Matter Monsters, Cryptids, Ball, Lightning, 50 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,600 and the Science of Secret life Forms. Simmey and welcome to the program. 51 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,519 Oh hi, Irene Mark, thanks for having me here today. And the 52 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:53,199 title is just dark Matter Monsters. There's no oh, but some of them 53 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,399 might be new to many people. So well, I see, I see 54 00:04:56,399 --> 00:05:00,759 what she put in here. They put new in front of dark so that 55 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,480 threw me off. Yes, so dark matter it is new. No, 56 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:12,879 not you, Michelle did okay, Yep, that's okay. But well, 57 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,319 thank you for coming back. And I will admit to the public. We 58 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:21,519 did record this interview once before and then we had technical issues, so we're 59 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:27,360 giving it another go. Everything seems to be working great this time, and 60 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,240 I hope the conversation is as much fun this time as it was last time, 61 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,399 because I thought it went extremely well. You know, I love the 62 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:43,720 idea technical issues, technical issues as in I'm an idiot. But anyway, 63 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:47,680 it is the technical side is putting a finger on the bottom, isn't it. 64 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,800 I guess that's true. Yes, So, um, Simeon, So 65 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:59,800 tell us a little bit just about your background, um, and how you 66 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:06,160 really started getting into researching all of these different subjects, including the cryptids. 67 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,160 Well, like a lot of things, I guess it goes back to my 68 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,920 childhood. I remember as a teenager seeing the Patterson Gimlin film is a movie 69 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:24,600 preview. It was a short feature about bigfoot and it was sort of like 70 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:30,040 a made up mini documentary where they were in a logging area in Oregon and 71 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:36,560 a northwest US and they said there had been sightings and they played the Patterson 72 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,720 Gimmlin film. So I saw that, which, you know, people aren't 73 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:46,959 familiar. It's a it's a like a ten fifteen second clip of a big 74 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:54,120 foot sasquatch walking across the Bluff Creek area, filmed by Patterson and Gimlin. 75 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,680 And they were just two cowboys from Yakima, Washington that had heard about bigfoot 76 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,480 sightings and they went down and they caught that famous film that we're all familiar 77 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,000 from nineteen sixty seven, and I saw it sometime in the seventies. Also 78 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,720 in the early seventies, I had a UFO sighting with my mom in the 79 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:17,120 Everglades that was definitely some sort of structured object that went from being stationary to 80 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:23,759 moving pretty quickly once we put our binoculars on it right right overhead, maybe 81 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,759 a mile or two up. So I guess even though I really didn't focus 82 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,920 on any of these topics as I went through what's difficult for a lot of 83 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,240 people, you know, go to college, some people go off to professions. 84 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,680 After that, I went to graduate school. I didn't really hear much 85 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:47,000 about those topics get interested until after graduate school when I had my degree and 86 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:54,560 I I heard about this idea of remote viewing, and I was sort of 87 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,360 skeptical and curious at the same time. I guess I was more open minded 88 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,920 than most have me, you know, seeing a UFO at a young age 89 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:07,759 and seeing something about Bigfoot, and you know, thirty years later, they 90 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:09,079 were maybe in the back of my mind somewhere, I don't know, but 91 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:16,759 I took a class, and of course all these topics overlap, whether people 92 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:18,120 want them to or not. You know, you take a class and remote 93 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,639 viewing, you're going to hear about UFOs. You're going to counter people that 94 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,079 have seen and experienced other phenomena, and those include people that students who come 95 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:31,759 and take the classes too. So I got involved hearing about a lot of 96 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,879 these topics again, and over a period of years got exposed to lots of 97 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:43,039 different types of evidence for cryptids, for UFOs or crop circles, things like 98 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,639 this, all of which I've investigated, you know, to see what's really 99 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:56,000 going on there. And with so how many years now have you been researching 100 00:08:56,039 --> 00:09:01,320 this phenomenon? I guess I took the class last in nineteen ninety six, 101 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:07,639 so that would be twenty five years. Twenty six years, yeah, twenty 102 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:11,759 twenty six years. About a good quarter of a century. Started with remote 103 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,720 viewing. Of course, there were people there that had worked with the government 104 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:18,279 that during breaks and stuff, a former astronaut, someone that had worked with 105 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:24,120 NASA contractor, all of whom people who said, no, this is really 106 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,919 These UFOs are real. There's structures on the Moon that can be seen from 107 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:35,799 NASA video, triangular craft reverse engineering, which we've obviously heard a lot about 108 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,519 in the past day or two, since an important witness has come forward here 109 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,879 in the US, and it piques your curiosity. I mean, you're there 110 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:48,279 to learn r V, maybe at the moment at the time I was teaching 111 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:54,519 URV, and but you hear about these other topics and you start you just 112 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,279 get curious. You start reading. I ended up going to a UFO conference 113 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:03,240 that summer of ninety six, just out of curiosity hearing. You know, 114 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,679 I think for the public when they're exposed to these topics, you know, 115 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:11,679 it's not always directly from super credible witnesses. I mean it could be, 116 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,799 but you know, you often hear about this from the media, which do 117 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:20,120 a pretty poor job of investigating these topics. Local media can do a pretty 118 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,240 good job local newspapers and so forth, but national media don't do a good 119 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:28,080 job. Just look at our latest witness, David Grush, and you don't 120 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:33,120 hate even have any coverage yet from major media, very high ranking you know, 121 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:39,360 former intelligence official. So so you come across witnesses. It could be 122 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,639 people that have seen this for themselves. It could be people that seem very 123 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:48,600 credible, like former astronauts and ASSA contractors, and you just start you said, 124 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,759 well, maybe I should pay attention to your UFO conferences in your area. 125 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,440 I went to one in Denver, and then you come across more topics 126 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,960 and more evidence. So it's like RV for me was like a gateway drug 127 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,559 to other topics, including crop circles, because we are viewed remote viewing being 128 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:13,200 the ability to get information and explore topics and distant from you. You were 129 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:20,519 actually tossed with these doing this. Yeah, yeah, we crop circles. 130 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:22,080 I didn't even know what a crop circle was in nineteen ninety six. I 131 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,080 have to I just got a graduate school. I've never heard of crop circles. 132 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,720 But I got curious, what are these huge patterns in the wheat over 133 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,279 in the UK. So in ninety seven I went over to the UK on 134 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,679 a crop circle tour with a guy named Ron Russell from the Denver area since 135 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,159 I lived in Boulder, and I met him at the UFO conference and he 136 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,480 said, we have these tours and I, you know, and I mentioned 137 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:48,360 something somehow the topic of fractal geometry came up. Now, the reason that's 138 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:54,799 important is fractal geometry is the study of mathematical objects that are between dimensions. 139 00:11:54,919 --> 00:12:01,399 That's literally the definition clouds and rivers and baranchial systems, your lungs, things 140 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,799 that branch out and they have more than integer dimension because they keep expanding out 141 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:09,840 and they have finer and finer details. So clouds, for example, have 142 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:13,679 a dimension on you know, somewhere between two and three dimensions, like two 143 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,320 point two two point three. Well, anyway, I read for some people 144 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:24,120 the idea of non integer dimensions things between dimensions. And I'm not talking anything 145 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,600 supernatural here, I'm talking mathematically. But it does lead to that because you 146 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,039 begin to wonder, are there objects and things that were around, including the 147 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,919 crop circles, many of which were designed around fractal patterns. Yeah, that 148 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:41,360 gets you thinking about between dimensions. This is what p so. I had 149 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:46,360 studied this in graduate school, so I got the crop circles sort of linked 150 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,519 into fractals. And yes, I went over there and have been over there 151 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:56,000 about twenty times too. Wilcher to finishef for some reason. I don't know 152 00:12:56,039 --> 00:13:01,320 why, but mainly they saying in motion yeah, h which is used down 153 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:09,240 the road. Yeah, I haven't the same one. Never say no. 154 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,080 Well, they were pairing a lot in the late nineties, early two thousands, 155 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:18,159 and so what really brought me in was, at the time we went 156 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,440 over, there's mystery what made them how and so forth, And we had 157 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,399 heard about people, but we sort of dismissed that. Later to learn that 158 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,120 there were groups that did make them. But then we began to wonder, 159 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:31,799 well, wait a minute, if we were in ones that were made by 160 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:37,159 people. Why were our cameras and batteries failing? And of course me coming 161 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:41,159 out of academia are thinking, are we dealing with some sort of non ordinary 162 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:46,879 electromagnetic fields? And guys, you know that's a very interesting area, non 163 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:54,200 standard electromagnetic fields of energy or potentials, and it gets you so to answer 164 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:56,919 your question now, I'm giving you a very long winded answer. Being supposed 165 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,840 to RV leads you to other topics. And if you're sort of you're disciplined 166 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,600 because you come out of academia, you don't just just miss these things and 167 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:07,480 say, oh, well, I was interesting. I'm just going to go 168 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,639 on back to my ordinary life. You're thinking, well, wait a minute, 169 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,919 wait a minute, why didn't my camera stop working in that kind and 170 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,120 other people's in other problems? What is it about those shapes that are affecting 171 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,440 cameras and batteries? And why are or one more? Yes, someone like 172 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,639 me that's had the training I've had, even going back to debate team in 173 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:33,519 high school, you're paying attention to evidence because you know that there could be 174 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,679 things that are true that no one has investigated yet. It's the history of 175 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,440 science. There are things that are true that we don't know about. And 176 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:50,360 it goes back to Kurt Girdle's incompleteness theorem. Kurt Girdle being a mathematician refugee 177 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:56,240 from Europe who was at Princeton's Advanced Institute for Study, and he created this 178 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,720 incompleteness theorem which said, there are things that are going to be true that 179 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:05,320 are not known from any existing logic system. So if you have this as 180 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:11,919 your background and fractals, you are open to the idea that there are things 181 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,480 that are true that the majority of society doesn't know about. In other words, 182 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,840 the mass belief system is wrong. You know it's wrong from the get 183 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,799 go, just looking at the history of science. How many things have turned 184 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:28,039 out to be true that we accept as obvious now that where people were highly 185 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,120 skeptical and critical of include every major scientific theory out there right now. So 186 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:39,399 I took these subjects seriously because of the credibility of the witnesses, my own 187 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:45,720 experiences in crop circles and with r V, and that eventually led to going 188 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:50,639 to more conferences about UFOs, since there weren't our V conferences right at the 189 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:56,720 beginning. Later there were our V conferences from the URVA organization, and just 190 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,159 you keep expanding out and you begin to realize there's a bigger story of what 191 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:07,000 we're experiencing on Earth then we've been told by schools, by parents. In 192 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:11,320 other words, it could be that everything we learned was wrong. Yeah, 193 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:15,200 that's a big one. But that's the only conclusion you can reach. The 194 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,679 story all of us were told, whether you're in the UK or the US, 195 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:21,919 and you went to ordinary schools like most of us, right, and 196 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,399 what we were taught as the story of reality is incomplete. Let's just say 197 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:37,320 it's incomplete. Oh, incomplete and falsified in a lot of cases because they 198 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,480 do not want certain information out to the public. They want to keep everybody 199 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:45,960 nice, little happy consumers. Go about your lives, don't look at that 200 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:52,200 man behind the curtain. There's so many different phenomenon that even the government has 201 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,440 admitted studying, not just UFOs, but like you said, with remote viewing, 202 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:04,880 the different projects they've had going on. But that Bigfoot too. Talk 203 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,920 to people who worked in the National Forest Service, national Park Service sort of 204 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:11,799 yeah, but can I say one thing about that mark. It's not just 205 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,960 that there's a them that don't want us to know, we don't want to 206 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,480 know either. I mean, I think part of the responsibility is on us 207 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,720 to demand that the government be accountable. And we're again we're hearing this a 208 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,720 lot in the last four dy eight hours because of this important witness that's come 209 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:30,359 forward, who we're going to hear more from later this week from an interview 210 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:37,880 from Ross Coolheart from Australia. And So I think the important thing is in 211 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,119 our country, we're the ones that create the government. I mean, we 212 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,640 there are representatives, so I have to believe and I guess I'm saying this 213 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:51,599 as a sociologist. I mean, humans are very concerned about fitting in because 214 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:56,920 we're mammals, and we have to take responsibility too that we play it too 215 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,759 safe sometimes. I'm not blaming anyone for doing this, but if you think 216 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:06,400 how you live and how you change your opinions based on people around you, 217 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:12,119 it's not easy to have another belief system that goes against everything that people around 218 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,799 you believe, especially when you could hurt your career chances and so forth, 219 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,720 or affect your career, you know. But it's true. There is no 220 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:22,920 doubt that our government, I can say for sure in the US knows about 221 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,680 things that it doesn't talk about, and at the same time we're kind of 222 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:32,440 acquiescent in that. But I also feel a lot of that has to do 223 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:38,119 with societal conditioning. Let's face it, from a very young age, even 224 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:45,359 though we as children get fascinated with things like monsters or UFOs or ghosts or 225 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,559 whatnot, and then what happens, parents say, oh, that's not real, 226 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:53,000 that's your imagination. Although Santa Claus is real until you reach a certain 227 00:18:53,039 --> 00:19:00,440 age, but they it's officially denied. And then even when you become adults, 228 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,880 when it gets to the media, and how like you were saying earlier, 229 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:10,480 how the media treats it usually ignore it, or if they they do 230 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:14,839 a piece on it, there's always the snicker factor, or they play X 231 00:19:14,839 --> 00:19:22,039 files music too totally dismiss it or diminish you know, the information. And 232 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:26,799 then so most people are conditioned most of their lives to ignore or not believe 233 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:30,160 in this kind of stuff. Religion plays a big part of it. I 234 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:33,359 you know, like I very religious friends who it's not the Bible, then 235 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,240 it doesn't exist. Although I always want to ask them, well, what 236 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:48,000 about the giants them? We're adults now and we can make choices and yeah, 237 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,039 everything is true. But adults, you have free will. You can 238 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,119 choose to write to the New York Times right now and say why didn't you 239 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:04,119 cover this warmer and our row and GEO official coming far? I mean, 240 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,599 you can do take actions. You could write you're here in the US, 241 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,160 your congress person, your senator and say hey, I want to know why 242 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,680 you're not talking about this or that. So there is no doubt we do 243 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:21,920 live around this environment. But things change. I mean Berlin Wall fell down 244 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,839 the year I was working over with East Germans in Vienna at a research institute, 245 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,279 and they never thought that would happen, but it did, and it 246 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:33,079 happened pretty rapidly. So it's not like things stay the same forever. And 247 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:37,400 so I think we do grow up in that. Yes, we grow up 248 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,079 in a society just like you described, and there's a lot of pressure to 249 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:45,359 tow the line. But I mean, this is the United States of America. 250 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,680 We can make choices. We don't have to cooperate with things that we 251 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:56,640 feel are unjust, and there's no harm in writing letters and changing your mind. 252 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,039 And like me, I mean, I don't think I would have believed 253 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:00,319 in a lot of these topics. But I did a lot of research. 254 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:06,359 I went to decades of conferences in many different topics. I got to know 255 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,720 witnesses and people, and I realized there was more going on than I had 256 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,920 been taught in gradual And I think anybody could have done that. It just 257 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:19,680 takes initiative, right, That's why it takes an initiative, and that's what 258 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:25,160 the sort of that's what Western civilization is about. Otherwise we'd all still believe 259 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,759 in Aristotle and we'd say that things move because they want to move to their 260 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,839 natural position. Well, none of us really believe that anymore. Well, 261 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,240 I have friends who believe that. It's just like you do, Martyo, 262 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:37,839 friends who believe certain things. But we are evidence based to people nowadays, 263 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,640 and we want to look at evidence, and we have evidence. And it's 264 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:48,839 a question of everyone doing their own research in their own way. Now. 265 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,680 People that want to just believe what they're told and so forth, it's really 266 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,480 their choice, isn't it. But I mean, they have podcasts like this 267 00:21:55,519 --> 00:22:00,000 one right and others, and they can Boy, there's so many podcasts. 268 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,240 I can't listen to them all in one day. YouTube videos and you can 269 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:07,720 get educated on your own without the mainstream media where bypassed them. And I'll 270 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:15,359 give you a good example of that, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, who 271 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,960 write this article that comes out in the Debrief yesterday about an Intel official coming 272 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,759 forward with evidence of reverse engineered UFO programs. Now, this is something I 273 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:29,759 have heard about for over twenty years now from people that have had parents who 274 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:33,880 worked in them, or directly from the witnesses, most recently when I gave 275 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,759 a lecture in New Jersey just a few months ago. And sometimes they don't 276 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:42,240 repeat this because I signed in an NBA. So you have some who knows 277 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:48,680 that he has access to two thousand special access programs and he comes forward and 278 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:51,400 over the past couple of weeks has been interviewed. And I heard he was 279 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,160 going to come forward about two weeks ago from someone that tipped me off, 280 00:22:53,160 --> 00:23:00,079 so I knew this was coming. Now, he really could be someone that 281 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,359 the media pays attention to, but they didn't. And Keen and Bloomenthal said 282 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,920 they were slated to have this in the Washington Post, but the Washington Post 283 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,240 wanted to take too long. And I can understand they probably wanted to take 284 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:15,920 weeks or months to check everything this guy is saying, right, And the 285 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,640 New York Times wanted to do that with Kane and Bloomenthal and Cooper's story in 286 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,599 twenty seventeen. Remember that big thing Pentagon UFO program, what we learned about 287 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:26,920 in twenty seventeen. And not everything in that article turned out to be exactly 288 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:33,319 accurate, but it was generally on the mark. So they didn't go to 289 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,200 the Washington Post or the New York Times. How much it just changes in 290 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,920 six years. They said, let's go to an online block, an online 291 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,599 newspaper, the Debrief, which is one of the best ones out there for 292 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,720 these sort of topics, right, and they father science topics, And they 293 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:52,960 bypassed something about that comes Debrief. I had an email come through about that 294 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,240 strong. Yeah, so read it because this is a shock. It came 295 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:00,960 the other day, but I didn't read my else for the last couple of 296 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,480 days. Well, we're all like this, you hear because guys, I 297 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,920 don't blame anyone here. We've been hearing that there's going to be big whistleblowers 298 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,599 coming forward, and you just slow is going to happen tomorrow for two decades 299 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,160 now or three decades. I don't blame anyone for being cynical. I totally 300 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,599 get this because ever since I got involved with r V in the nineties, 301 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,359 we were we heard you you know here, Oh it's coming in a couple 302 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,000 of months, the big, the big, the big reveal, guys, 303 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:29,759 right, and here we here we are twenty years later. And I felt 304 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:33,039 like and you guys could feel like this too. You got there and you 305 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,519 just saw the previews. You got to see the coming attractions. Where is 306 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:40,960 the movie? Well, the movie dropped yesterday that as far as i'm We've 307 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,559 had others come forward, Chris Mellen being an example. I worked in dd 308 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,680 saying this was going to happen, but we didn't have the critical way. 309 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:52,799 I've talked to some of these people who've handled UFO crash materials. I've talked 310 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,319 to them. They told me everything, and they told me they signed NDA's 311 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,799 and they can't bring it up again. They could they they could be sued 312 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,440 by the federal government for even talking about it. So you have a lot 313 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,160 of people out there, I would guess thousands who've been exposed to these programs 314 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,160 and materials that have chosen to remain silent because they're afraid to repercussions, just 315 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,279 like you're saying, Mark, they are remaining silent because they're afraid of repercussions. 316 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,440 But you had one who came forward. And here's the big one. 317 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,960 Everything he's saying, and we'll see in these interviews, which I imagine are 318 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,440 gonna be released on Thursday, he got approval from Pentagon to say, and 319 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:33,599 it is it did far out stuff. Guys. He's talking about how many 320 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:40,000 crash retrievals, what sort of crap, which ones were intact, which were 321 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,440 damaged. He's saying, No, these are not anything we understand. This 322 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:48,799 is not foreign technology. This is something either extraterrestrial or interdimensional, you know, 323 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,519 the drill well or something from the Earth we don't understand, right. 324 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,359 So that's I think the biggest point here is the Pentagon approved it and what 325 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,960 that means. As Bob McGuire who said, and he's someone I know. 326 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,799 He's taken my RV classes and I know him, we've spoken to many times, 327 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,000 and he worked in special access programs. He tweeted, and I think 328 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,720 this is accurate that the government folded. They folded on this. They could 329 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,359 have said, we don't give your permission like they've been doing for decades. 330 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,200 We don't give your permission to talk. This is special access program. You're 331 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:23,319 violating your security groom, and they folded and basically said, okay, go 332 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,680 ahead. Yeah, we're reverse engineering UFOs, there's crashes, there's other intelligence 333 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,480 there. So I think everything changed yesterday, at least for me. I've 334 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960 been waiting for this type of event for decades, since I've talked to the 335 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,359 witnesses, but no one wanted to come forward publicly, and a lot be 336 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,519 on my YouTube channel or be interviewed because they would tell me, but they 337 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,119 wouldn't become public. So I haven't revealed their names yet. But this guy 338 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,480 said, Okay, this is our response, and this is important. He 339 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,359 said, it's our responsibility as Americans to take charge of the government here. 340 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,039 It's it's not doing its job. And there could be mark be deep conspiracies. 341 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,319 I mean, there could be people going to jail over this. I 342 00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:06,920 mean the system could have been seriously corrupted, and I imagine people were killed 343 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,079 over this to keep the silence because the technological implications are so big. But 344 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,079 the system finally worked. You had a whistleblower come forward, and so I 345 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,319 think yesterday was it a very important day and we'll hear more. And I'm 346 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,759 sure there's more David Grusha's out there. I mean, this is so who 347 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:30,680 is this guy? He delivered the briefings to the president every day, which 348 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,920 means he has to have a higher security clearance than even the President of the 349 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,039 United States to decide what the President can hear every morning at their six I 350 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:45,519 am briefing the important person. Yeah, you know, I will be interested 351 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,960 to see if this has legs and goes anywhere. Where. My skepticism comes 352 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,799 in is that the government has, even over the last few years, released 353 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:06,960 certain information, including that incredible video shot off of the coast of California off 354 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:14,359 from the fighters of the US Nimics to tiktak UFOs, And while it made 355 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:22,240 a buzz in the UFO community on for paranormal TV shows and whatnot, and 356 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,759 it got a little bit of pressed on the mainstream media news and then landed 357 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:33,000 with a thud, and then it's not talking about again except in our circles. 358 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:41,000 The average public could care less. You know, they're with that mark. 359 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,240 I've had many people come up to me in coffee shops who know me 360 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,920 and Boulder, who know what I study. I'll give you some creit. 361 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,240 Yeah, they start a sneaker a little bit, but then they say, 362 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,319 but seriously, what was that to man that tick that? Because remember Tucker 363 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:59,279 Carlson fired recently. He would talk about this even on Fox News. And 364 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,119 I've had many people come up to me who might have snickered before. I'm 365 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,519 Mark, I think it's changed a little more than you're giving a credit. 366 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:15,480 I think it TikTok incidents moved us down the road, not to the big 367 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,839 reveal, but maybe in that direction. I mean, at least removing in 368 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,920 the right direction. Mark. Maybe you know the two steps forward, one 369 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,720 step back. Yet we made a step back after it was released. But 370 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:27,440 I think we made two steps forward just because and I can tell you this, 371 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,000 I had friends from high school call me and say, sim you were 372 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:34,160 right about this. I never thought there was much the UFOs and they saw 373 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,640 those three videos. I think it created discussion in the US, and I 374 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:45,279 think these congressional hearings are evidence that we've been having. Kirsten gill Lebrand, 375 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,240 Marco Rubio Senate Intelligence Committee, we had another I mean, Mark, I 376 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,160 know what you're saying, because even at that one in May, you had 377 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,839 Sean Kirpatrick come forward from the Arrow Office to All Domain Anomalies Resolution Office as 378 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,559 they call it. I mean, he can't get or obscure than that acronym. 379 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,200 I get it what you're saying, Mark, But but we have had 380 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,400 hearings and even so, look look at the setup right now. You had 381 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,319 Shan Kirkpatrick say to Kirsten Gila Brandon that very small meeting in a very small 382 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:18,799 room, though it was on c SPAN, you did they He did say 383 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:23,519 there's no evidence of extraterrestrial origin of these craft, which I know to be 384 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,200 BS based on the people I've talked to over the years, people who are 385 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:33,880 very credible, who've handled the materials. But here you have Sean David Grush, 386 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,680 who's higher ranked than Shan Kirkpatrick, coming out and saying no, categorically 387 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,519 it's either extraterrestrial or something we have no clue. No, that's not our 388 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,359 Avid series. So I think I think you'd have to say that's progress, 389 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,720 would't you. At least you have some discussion, You have Congressional hearings, 390 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,839 and you have someone big coming out now who's saying Congress is not doing its 391 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,559 job. And I think this is very important. So my response, Mark, 392 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,079 And I'm not trying to criticize you. I'm just saying it'll have legs 393 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:07,160 if we insist it has legs. And you'll be right, Mark, if 394 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,960 a year from now, Brush hasn't made any impact on this, you would 395 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,039 be right that people are too apathetic at this point to do anything. But 396 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,839 let's see what happens, because it's Twitter is alive with this discussion of what 397 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,640 David's talked about. We haven't heard his interview with Ross Colhart yet, which 398 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:30,039 is coming out, and we're told he briefed Congress for eleven hours, saying 399 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,920 we don't know what he told them, but I mean it's probably the same 400 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,279 sort of stuff. Let me tell you something. If you've talked to people 401 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,839 who've seen these crashes of these UFOs UAPs whatever you want to call him, 402 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:48,640 Yeah, it's freaky. It's freaky because you know what they say about these 403 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,079 craft They feel like when you go in them, even if the occupants have 404 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:59,799 been injured or are dead. They said it, yes, Irene, it's 405 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:05,319 like the craft knows you're there, and it is it's like it's a living 406 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,960 exactly. Even David A. Dare said, do you remember him from years 407 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,079 ago, and he said as a kid he experiment with rockets and New Mexico 408 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,480 and one ended up in White Sands missile based by accident or something. And 409 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,960 he I can't verify if his story is true. But people I know, 410 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,440 who I've talked to, who I know the stories you have said what he 411 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:30,440 said, it's like the thing is alive, just like you said, yeah, 412 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,559 yeah, I've heard that it is a number of times in the past. 413 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:43,599 And that's in a way where some of the most anomalous footage of these 414 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:49,279 craft, where they seem to actually be changing shape, yes, morphing right 415 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:54,559 in front of your eyes. Yes, like you're talking about something that's between 416 00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:01,240 technology and a life like crystalline sentience. It's really cool. I mean that's 417 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:07,160 cool, guys, because anyone who's researched any of this always gets the feeling 418 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,640 that some of these phenomena that hard and dried scientists would say, well, 419 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,039 it's an or it's ball lightning, right. And I wrote a book about 420 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:20,319 ball lightning encryptids. I know even these ball lightning scientists who just say, 421 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,279 look, I'm studying ball lightning. They asked the question, but it seems 422 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:27,480 sentient, it seems conscious sometimes what are we dealing with? So there's an 423 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,599 overlap and these witnesses to these crashes. And let me tell you something. 424 00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:37,960 I mean, this topic is so classified that every time I've gotten close to 425 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:43,039 people that have been in the craft or been handled the materials. I'm talking 426 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:50,359 senior engineers who work in solicon Valley, they ask me to change the names 427 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,519 to dates and all this because they don't want me to identify which particular crash 428 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:58,079 I'm talking about. Can you imagine how deadly this is? And I can 429 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:06,160 tell you deadly force is authorized to use around these craft that are recovered. 430 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:10,960 And this is serious. When the American military has the right to shoot people 431 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:19,079 on site, no questions asked. That's serious. It's not legal. There's 432 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,679 the US military has no authority to operate. Well, it just goes to 433 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,920 show how potent this is to cover it up and keep it it's yeah, 434 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,119 And it's if they have gone to those lengths to cover it up where people 435 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,840 could have been shot if they showed up anywhere even remotely close to these crash 436 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,199 sites. I've heard this on multiple occasions. What is set up around these 437 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,960 crash sites are diversions to make it look like a traffic accident or a forest 438 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,559 fire or something like this, so you wouldn't know you're not. But the 439 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,079 instructions for the guards, and I've spoken to people, either the guards themselves 440 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:59,880 or the people that knew, people that worked on as guards for the crash 441 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,920 retrievals, and their stations pretty far away from the site itself that maybe they 442 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,079 don't even see it. It's pretty far out. They are authorized to use 443 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:13,639 deadly force to keep anyone from even getting anywhere close. And that's serious because 444 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,400 nobody and it goes back to Mark's discussion here, which is a good one. 445 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,639 It's because nobody knows anything about this. We haven't been told anything. 446 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:23,159 And every time you bring it up, the skeptics will say, well, 447 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,679 it's just and Mark knows this argument, Well, that's just our foreign adversaries, 448 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,239 experimental black budget programs. It's Chinese or Russian or something like this. 449 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:37,760 And Grush is coming forward and saying, no, this is not their stuff. 450 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,599 And I know because I've had access to the special access programs and I 451 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:44,360 know what they're saying about it, and I know the measures. You know, 452 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,440 let me tell you something about special access programs that I learned. They 453 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,440 spend more money on covering them up than on the program itself. I mean, 454 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:55,159 disinformation, news, buying off journalists, all that stuff. So so 455 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,639 here's where what why this matters. And this is going back to Mark's point. 456 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,800 It seems that our system got severely corrupted by the UFO cover up and 457 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:12,280 that journalists are paid and bought off and are just in the palm of the 458 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,760 national security intelligence state because they get stories like so, you guys, if 459 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,559 you worked for a paper or a newspaper TV show, wouldn't you like to 460 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,679 get a drip of good stories? Well this is all they Yeah, of 461 00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,599 course, because it's your life, Like, would you like to get the 462 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,599 scoop before everyone else? Well, here's how they work with definitely. And 463 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:36,440 this is what David said and Ross yesterday listening to Ross uh and Bryce Stables 464 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:42,760 uh YouTube channel YouTube, I forgot what it's called the spur of the moment 465 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,800 need to know. So this is what and I've heard this before. They 466 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,400 they're they're told, we'll give you that drip of good stories and that you 467 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,239 know, you'll get the scoop on the stories, which makes you look good 468 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,800 at your news organization. But you can't talk about X Y receive and they 469 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,960 do it, so the whole thing has been corrupted. And both are our 470 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,960 countries thrive on a free press. So if you don't have that, Denmark's 471 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,280 right, if you don't have a free press, then you might argue, 472 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:16,119 we don't live in a democracy. It's an authoritarian national security state. And 473 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:22,639 maybe what it became, maybe this democracy we thought we had as an illusion. 474 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,280 But again we've got someone like Groush coming forward, and the rest of 475 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,719 us don't have an excuse just to sit around and moan about it. We 476 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,239 could be writing right now, as I intend to do later today, to 477 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,079 these papers and my congress people and say, hey, how come you're not 478 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:43,760 talking about this? This is a pretty important person. I mean, this 479 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,639 guy gave security briefings to the youth the president of the United States every morning, 480 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:52,280 he's got you know, he's had access to two thousand special access programs. 481 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,679 Why aren't why isn't this a major news Why isn't this a major news 482 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,840 story? But what's more important than this that the system? Let me go. 483 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,119 I know I'm talking a lot, guys, but we had something this 484 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:06,239 isn't bort We had something called Watergate in the early seventy. You remember this 485 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:13,239 president had to resign over that scandal. It. Yeah, but that this 486 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,960 is bigger than that, because this means that it's been going on for ninety 487 00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,960 years. Grocers saying the cover up has been going down for ninety years. 488 00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,079 Yeah, and what that means this is why that this matters. We could 489 00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:30,480 have had ninety years of bullshit that we've been swallowing. That's was disinformation created 490 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:37,800 to cover up UFO crashes. That's guys, that's eff and serious. Major 491 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,920 beliefs that we have could be just have been fabricated by the Air Force and 492 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,559 the intelligence agencies to cover up That's that is why this matters so much. 493 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:50,360 It mattered in Watergate, we had areings over that. My dad, who 494 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,719 was eug to this country from Nazi Germany. I remember driving down to He 495 00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,480 was a big fan of seeing the Civil War monuments in battle fields, and 496 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,880 we were driving down to see them over vacation, and I remember he said 497 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,199 how moving it was that the system worked, the system of checks and balances 498 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,840 in the US. Because he had been from Nazi Germany, he saw where 499 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,440 it didn't work and the consequences there. So he was very moved by the 500 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,119 fact that the Congress could impeach the president if he hadn't resigned, right, 501 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:25,239 Yeah, And so we have to ask ourselves anyone in the free world, 502 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,119 Americans, British, Canadians, or others anywhere in Western Europe? Did the 503 00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:36,880 system fail here? I mean, has there been a major malfunction of the 504 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,320 system, like a short circuit where we should have been having discussions about this 505 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,960 pre roswell and we haven't. Going Just going back to Mark's point, it 506 00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:51,119 feels like a glitch in the matrix. Yeah, it really does. And 507 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,360 even at this moment talking about it, I'm highly moved by this. And 508 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,800 I went to the citizen hearing in twenty thirteen. I think I mentioned this 509 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:04,360 in the interview that didn't get recorded, And there were forty plus witnesses speaking 510 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,320 for five days at the National Press Club to retired senators and congressman and a 511 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,360 senator because they couldn't get any sitting congressman or senators to attend to hearings. 512 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,719 So it was a mock hearing, not a real hearing under oath. And 513 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,920 you had very credible people coming forward, Missile control, launch off control launch 514 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,480 officers, FAA officials, pilots, people, from the military, Rozel Hellier, 515 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,960 Linda Molton, how people there? You go, right, and guess 516 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:38,519 what did c Span cover it even for a minute? No, nobody covered 517 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:45,800 it exactly, Nobody newspapers published you know some things after the fact that with 518 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,159 a high snicker factory exactly. Hey, thank you Mark. It was so 519 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,800 snarky and I wanted to slap them. I mean, seriously. I sat 520 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,519 next to the reporters in the National. I was there for the full thing 521 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,719 I paid. It didn't cost anything. But Washington City isn't cheap to go 522 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,199 there for a week, to stay there and traveler it was free to go 523 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,320 in. Yeah. I sat next to these reporters The New York Times. 524 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,400 Guy I was sitting next and said, what do you think you know? 525 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,800 Right? Wouldn't would you? Irene remark would you ask that? What do 526 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,480 you guys think? What do you think of this here? And he goes, 527 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:19,440 it's the best material I've ever heard. I can't get them to send 528 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,719 anyone down from New York to cover it New York City. That was the 529 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,519 Times. I wrote something. I mean, I was sort of wasn't that 530 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:32,280 bad? The Washington Post article was very snarky, belittling, of these retired 531 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,519 many military men, you know, folks from the military, retired military people, 532 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:43,000 law enforcement. Very belittling, and I thought arrogant and stupid, and 533 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,119 I'm wondering if these people are going to pay up. They don't want, 534 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:49,800 you know what this comes down to. I mean, yeah, they don't 535 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,480 want. These people don't want to look bad because they've been had the opportunity 536 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:57,840 to take it seriously, even going back to Stephen for his disclosure conference in 537 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,119 two thousand and one. They have the opportunity to take this seriously and at 538 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,719 least ask the questions. I mean, if you don't believe in it, 539 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,480 fine, but at least present the case and the be witnesses involved. And 540 00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:15,039 they haven't done it, so anyway, you know, going back to the 541 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,159 big question here, I mean, it's we've all been waiting a couple of 542 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,119 decades for serious discussion, and are we going to get it or is Mark 543 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,639 going to be right here? In a year, we're going to be we'll 544 00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:27,840 be talking again and Mark will say, look, I told you nothing was 545 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,880 gonna happen. Well, I think somebody will happen if we make it happen. 546 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:35,199 And again, Berlin Wall fell down a lot faster iron curtain than we 547 00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:38,119 thought. It can crumble. I mean, empires crumble some day. Maybe 548 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:45,920 this is it. We'll see the empire of disinformation, let's hope. So 549 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:52,760 it'd be nice for a change. Well, things change, and let me 550 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,880 give you can give you one example of this. Well, how I think 551 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,519 does change? So Bigfoot going to cryptids for a second something. I get 552 00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,719 injured a couple of years ago. How did I get interested in? People 553 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:06,400 in my army class from Colorado? Locals from Colorado who took my classes had 554 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,159 told me about their Bigfoot encounters in the Rockies. I didn't pay attention to 555 00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:15,559 it for a long time. It was just it was hard to reconcile with 556 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,000 other things. But now I know more about it, and that's why I 557 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,199 wrote dark Matter monsters. I think that Krypton's are another type of matter, 558 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,559 literally, which is why they can glide and slide and become invisible and do 559 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:30,119 all sorts of cool things of whither around or sometimes so. I went to 560 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:36,599 the Forks Bigfoot Festival last weekend in Forks, Washington, on the Olympic Peninsula, 561 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,800 and I met a fifth grade teacher there who had introduced the topic of 562 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:45,920 bigfoot to her fifth grade science class, just as like, maybe there's other 563 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,239 types of animals out there that we don't know about, you know, And 564 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:57,239 she got them to write to their local representatives in the state of Washington, 565 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,159 and she got two more counties to recognize bigfoot legally. Her fifth grade class 566 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,000 was able to get these counties there. So that means there's now four counties 567 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:14,480 in Washington State that make it illegal to harass bigfoot or harm them, and 568 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:19,679 before it was just Scamania and Watcomb County, which people know about that they 569 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,159 have written in their law that you can there's jail time for hurting, injuring, 570 00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:28,719 or killing bigfoot, even though we can't agree on exactly what it is. 571 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,559 She got two more counties to acknowledge the existence of bigfoot and put some 572 00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:38,519 laws in place, like any other animals would be protected and no hunting season, 573 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:45,800 so because we're not sure what this could be a relic human, you 574 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,360 know, it could be a human. So so there is progress like that, 575 00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,800 And that's how it happens is people take it seriously. It starts with 576 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:58,800 discussions. So I know I've been talking a lot here, but to respond 577 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,119 to Mark's in view, and again I'm from debate teams in high school. 578 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:07,719 So for me to take the other position of mark, Yes, we've had 579 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,280 a lot of apathy. We've had almost almost a century of apathy and misinformation 580 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,119 disinformation. You can't blame the apathy base because the government has been putting out 581 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:20,639 to interformation. And Rick Dodi, who worked in the Air Force in disinformation, 582 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,719 told me this, and it's on my YouTube channel, Rick Dodi. 583 00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:27,960 Just search for Simeon Heinie if I'm my YouTube channel. I interviewed him. 584 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,000 He said he had been involved in paying journalists who not write the truth, 585 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:36,880 which is serious and he regretted it now. But at the same time, 586 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:42,760 things can change abruptly in ways that no one can predict, and sometimes you 587 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,320 get a momentum building up, and this could be the start of it if 588 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:57,440 people demand that their representatives at least respond to Grush's demand for open I'm apparently 589 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,760 he's asking for open congressional hearings on the subject, so it will be interesting 590 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,559 to see if that happens. I guess we'll just since this is all new, 591 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,920 we'll have to wait and see. Yeah, we did have hearings in 592 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,800 sixty eight. It was just one day, right, and I know someone 593 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,360 who was there, Bob Wood. But there were hearings in sixty eight at 594 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:21,039 the behest of Gerald Ford, who was a congressman at the time before he 595 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:30,440 became president after Nixon resigned. But we had hear congressional hearings before. It 596 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:36,320 was just a long time ago. So now with much more information that it 597 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,239 doesn't seem inconceivable. They're they're kinming congressional hearings now, but they're classified. 598 00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,000 They are not we're not hearing them, but we are. We know the 599 00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:49,960 witnesses who've gone in front of Congress recently, and some of them weren't the 600 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,599 citizen hearing. Missile control launch officers and people like that. Grush said he 601 00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:58,639 testified. So it's happening in a classified way. So you can only wonder 602 00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:02,159 what these congress people are thinking when they haven't had twenty years, like the 603 00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:06,639 rest of us, to hear about this and talk about it. They're just 604 00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:10,079 like boom, like a big cup of espresso, drink a couple of cops 605 00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:15,159 of cups of that, and now you're gonna find out because it's the implication 606 00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,800 of this. Maybe and I'm not trying to scare anyone, but there could 607 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,000 be lots of life forms around us that we've never been told about. I 608 00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:28,320 know it's ring even in your country of the UK. I had an interview 609 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,960 and I can't remember his name or the podcast. I'm trying to remember it. 610 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,199 And he told me about werewolf dogman sightings in his area on a nature 611 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:42,199 reserve of battle soldiers and they were they were shaking after what they saw. 612 00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:46,760 So we know this happens around the world, not that it's publicly talked about, 613 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,880 but I think people should know. You could run into cryptids that we 614 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,239 really don't know very much about, and really anything could happen when you run 615 00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:00,199 into them, uh, you know, and and there's being extraterrestrials and we 616 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:05,800 all know I heard the accounts of this what that does lives to encounter that 617 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,880 you might never be the same again just by being close to one of these 618 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,239 craft that's semi sentient. I mean, it could be a physics thing, 619 00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,559 not that they're intending to harm you the ets, but you know, we 620 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:21,239 don't really know. So to go to that next step. Over the next 621 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,159 couple of years of saying, folks, we lie to you for ninety years, 622 00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:29,320 we actually can't control the airspace We can't even control your neighborhood. Things 623 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,559 could come in your home, they could show up in your backyard. And 624 00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:34,840 we really don't know very much about this, and what we do know we 625 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,840 haven't shared with you. Okay, have a nice day. That won't be 626 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,320 one way dropping it on everyone, wouldn't it? That could be one way 627 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,400 to do it. I mean, are they gonna fold like East Germany and 628 00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,360 just it's all over in a couple of months. But I don't know, 629 00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,119 We don't know, none of us know. Mark has valid points about this. 630 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,239 Yes, to me, it's different today after hearing Rush, after hearing 631 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,000 need to know. I'm not trying to just promote their site. But they 632 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,679 did a very good job. Cool Heart has an interview coming out with him. 633 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,280 They filmed it, I think, very careful secretly so that no one 634 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,960 knew that it's coming out in the day or two. And what he said, 635 00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:22,800 Sorry, Laca said earlier on I've got the email from Chrissy Newton, 636 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,639 Yes on the date brief Well read the article, Irena, Mark, because 637 00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,760 it like, if you didn't think the hammer was going to fall, it 638 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,480 fell. Now you have someone and he was certainly not going to be the 639 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:45,519 last super credible person insider in the National Security Community NRO. He's from the 640 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:50,679 NRO. It was a crime even to mention the NRO before a number of 641 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:57,280 years ago. It was so classified even mentioning their existence could cause legal repercussions 642 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,719 against people that had worked there. You couldn't even admit exist. It's the 643 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,960 satellite, the government satellite organization. And now we have someone from there coming 644 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,599 forward telling us how real it all is. So there'll be more witnesses. 645 00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:14,039 And I talked to some of these. Maybe they'll come forward and tell us 646 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,920 what they thought when they handled these materials and what they thought it was because 647 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,320 they told me exactly what Grush said. It's not from here. That material 648 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,880 doesn't You don't find it on Earth. It's not This technology is made from 649 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,800 another part of the galaxy. That's what this person told me. Galaxy, 650 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,519 another part of You don't have those isotopes. And what Grush said is what 651 00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:36,239 this witness told me. And it's on my YouTube channel that you know engineer 652 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:42,440 tells me about senior engineer tells me about handling these materials. Then I will 653 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,920 also the link to the this I'm about to put it on Twitter. And 654 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:52,280 he told me what Grush said, the atomic arrangement of these elements isn't how 655 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,159 we even do it on Earth when we're making isotopes, which are very expensive 656 00:50:55,199 --> 00:51:00,400 and lengthy, you know, uranium into platonium, how we usees, so 657 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,599 we make other types of istobes for other reasons. But this guy said, 658 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,960 this is not made the way we do it here. It was made by 659 00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:09,119 changing the number of electrons and not the number of neutrons. And Grush suggested 660 00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:14,280 as he said, the atomic arrangement isn't something that's familiar to humans. So 661 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:20,159 zero G environment density that you don't find with our electronics. I mean, 662 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,960 like we're talking to millennia ahead of where we're at. This is where Grush 663 00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:28,920 is going. Yeah, this is big. And I knew this day was 664 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,679 coming, and I've been waiting patiently because I didn't want to ruin anyone's life 665 00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:36,559 by putting names out there and having them get bugged by the media and being 666 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,360 you know, feeling regretful that they talked to me. They didn't want that 667 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,840 to happen. But I was waiting for this day so I could write to 668 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,639 them again and say, hey, would you like to do an interview? 669 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:52,079 Now, let's come out anyway, guys, David rush As, We'll definitely 670 00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,639 have to look into that. I've got it all here up. I would 671 00:51:55,679 --> 00:52:00,039 like I would like to say to YouTube, Yeah, watched The Need to 672 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:06,960 Know because Cole Hart, Colhart and Zabel I mean Colhart who interviewed Grush and 673 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,119 the interviews coming out again in a day or two. He was angry. 674 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,960 He said, he's angry and afraid. That is quite something I've heard Ross 675 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:21,119 be talked for a year now, since I started listening to his YouTube channel. 676 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,360 That's the word he used. Angry, very angry and afraid because the 677 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:29,840 way this has gone about, and we've heard this from Stephen Greer going back 678 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:35,000 twenty years, is that laws were broken to conceal this these programs, and 679 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,599 that's very serious, big major laws, and that people are going to go 680 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,119 to jail over this. I've been hearing this for a long time. And 681 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,760 Gresha said the same thing, and I think that's motivated him to come out. 682 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,639 I mean he just said he's a patriot, American patriot, and the 683 00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:55,360 system is designed to work, not designed to be covered up. So very 684 00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:01,000 cool. Well, we are coming up here on the end of the program, 685 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,960 and uh wow, we gotta have you again, Simon. Yeah, 686 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:09,239 because we have so much more to talk about from what I'm sorry we didn't 687 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,400 really get into all the stuff I want to talk about what I have found 688 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,199 with these subjects and the types of faces, and we got to that last 689 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,519 time. It was so interesting. I remember our conversation. But it is 690 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:23,199 just so important what happened yesterday that we had to cover it because it could 691 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,760 be this could be the major demarcation where it changes, could be. Good. 692 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,880 Well, we'll bring you back in a few weeks. I'll talk with 693 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,280 Michelle, we'll make some arrangements and we'll definitely pick it up from here. 694 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,119 Thanks a lot, guys, I appreciate it, and okay, we'll talk 695 00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,599 against it. All right. Well, I want to thank everyone for tuning 696 00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:45,719 into another edition of the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show here on 697 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:51,639 the Paranormal UK Radio Network, and I read working people find us everywhere, 698 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,880 people everywhere. All right, everyone, you have a great week and we 699 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:07,320 will talk with you next time. Be good humans, Take care. Heybye.