Lee at the impossible or whatever remains however improbable must be true. And it
is not a question of the little cultism. What a touch of mysticism is
to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of damned souls and hellipus
thy Father's spirit to do it for a certain term, to walk the night
here the old gods are to dead, and what is the true god?
He's dead? Can't complain. People assume the time is a strict progression of
cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, it's
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Paranormal UK Radio. Hi, everybody, This is Arian Allen, the host
of the Paranormal UK Radio show, the flagship show through the Paranormal UK Radio
Network and and with Mark Johnson. There we go. Okay, Hey,
you have me worried there for a moment. Oh gosh, Mark us.
You know, I just don't know why it happens to me. I really
don't know why it happens. I think it's because, Ah, I don't
know. I've got no idea. I'm sorry, I've got no idea.
But for some reason, your name just escapes me every time. Oh.
I have some theories on that. What's come on? Oh well maybe it's
not the Maybe you're still stuck on my name from the last lifetime. Ah
yeah good, it's the markle farkele Bit. I like the Mark Farkell.
Yeah, that's my aunt's thing. So yeah, how are you? But
very very hot. I actually put on a dress today. Wow. I
really don't like dresses very much. I like to I like to wear nice
a lot of linen trousers and things like that. But day I actually put
on a dress, so, which is unusual. Like I said, it's
very very unusual. I think the last time I wore a dress was like
when I got married. Wow, long time ago. Yeah, I would
assume. So that was last century, yeah said dry before that. I'm
not sure, but I did. I put on a dress, and you
know, I wouldn't have worn it out. I really wouldn't have worn it
out. I would have It's okay for the garden. Oh, hopefully the
weather stays decent by the time I get there in just a two months.
Oh, you know it's gonna rain probably, Yeah, you know, it's
neither gonna rain or it's going to snow where the sleep will certainly beyond that
day as well in August. Yeah, we've had sleet, snow, We've
had everything. There's a very very strange country boy. You're giving me a
lot to look forward to. I tell you now, right when you arrive,
when you come, sandals, swimsuits, shorts, t shirts, trousers,
jackets, jumpers, umbrella and what we call Wellington boots. You'd call
them goloshes. Okay, make sure you got it all packed. I will
see I don't own glashes, but I will see what I can find that
should cover you for the holiday while you're over here. Yeah, that's your
ticket. M Well, while we go ahead and get right into tonight's show.
We have limited time tonight, so we want to welcome our guest,
doctor Simeon Hine. As a former university professor in statistics and the research methods,
he came across the idea of remote viewing in nineteen ninety six, took
it as a skeptic, and the results of the training were surprisingly positive and
convinced them that there's a large area of scientific knowledge that is being withheld from
public discussion. His newest book He's the author of several books, but the
newest book is Dark New Dark Matter Monsters, Cryptids, Ball, Lightning,
and the Science of Secret life Forms. Simmey and welcome to the program.
Oh hi, Irene Mark, thanks for having me here today. And the
title is just dark Matter Monsters. There's no oh, but some of them
might be new to many people. So well, I see, I see
what she put in here. They put new in front of dark so that
threw me off. Yes, so dark matter it is new. No,
not you, Michelle did okay, Yep, that's okay. But well,
thank you for coming back. And I will admit to the public. We
did record this interview once before and then we had technical issues, so we're
giving it another go. Everything seems to be working great this time, and
I hope the conversation is as much fun this time as it was last time,
because I thought it went extremely well. You know, I love the
idea technical issues, technical issues as in I'm an idiot. But anyway,
it is the technical side is putting a finger on the bottom, isn't it.
I guess that's true. Yes, So, um, Simeon, So
tell us a little bit just about your background, um, and how you
really started getting into researching all of these different subjects, including the cryptids.
Well, like a lot of things, I guess it goes back to my
childhood. I remember as a teenager seeing the Patterson Gimlin film is a movie
preview. It was a short feature about bigfoot and it was sort of like
a made up mini documentary where they were in a logging area in Oregon and
a northwest US and they said there had been sightings and they played the Patterson
Gimmlin film. So I saw that, which, you know, people aren't
familiar. It's a it's a like a ten fifteen second clip of a big
foot sasquatch walking across the Bluff Creek area, filmed by Patterson and Gimlin.
And they were just two cowboys from Yakima, Washington that had heard about bigfoot
sightings and they went down and they caught that famous film that we're all familiar
from nineteen sixty seven, and I saw it sometime in the seventies. Also
in the early seventies, I had a UFO sighting with my mom in the
Everglades that was definitely some sort of structured object that went from being stationary to
moving pretty quickly once we put our binoculars on it right right overhead, maybe
a mile or two up. So I guess even though I really didn't focus
on any of these topics as I went through what's difficult for a lot of
people, you know, go to college, some people go off to professions.
After that, I went to graduate school. I didn't really hear much
about those topics get interested until after graduate school when I had my degree and
I I heard about this idea of remote viewing, and I was sort of
skeptical and curious at the same time. I guess I was more open minded
than most have me, you know, seeing a UFO at a young age
and seeing something about Bigfoot, and you know, thirty years later, they
were maybe in the back of my mind somewhere, I don't know, but
I took a class, and of course all these topics overlap, whether people
want them to or not. You know, you take a class and remote
viewing, you're going to hear about UFOs. You're going to counter people that
have seen and experienced other phenomena, and those include people that students who come
and take the classes too. So I got involved hearing about a lot of
these topics again, and over a period of years got exposed to lots of
different types of evidence for cryptids, for UFOs or crop circles, things like
this, all of which I've investigated, you know, to see what's really
going on there. And with so how many years now have you been researching
this phenomenon? I guess I took the class last in nineteen ninety six,
so that would be twenty five years. Twenty six years, yeah, twenty
twenty six years. About a good quarter of a century. Started with remote
viewing. Of course, there were people there that had worked with the government
that during breaks and stuff, a former astronaut, someone that had worked with
NASA contractor, all of whom people who said, no, this is really
These UFOs are real. There's structures on the Moon that can be seen from
NASA video, triangular craft reverse engineering, which we've obviously heard a lot about
in the past day or two, since an important witness has come forward here
in the US, and it piques your curiosity. I mean, you're there
to learn r V, maybe at the moment at the time I was teaching
URV, and but you hear about these other topics and you start you just
get curious. You start reading. I ended up going to a UFO conference
that summer of ninety six, just out of curiosity hearing. You know,
I think for the public when they're exposed to these topics, you know,
it's not always directly from super credible witnesses. I mean it could be,
but you know, you often hear about this from the media, which do
a pretty poor job of investigating these topics. Local media can do a pretty
good job local newspapers and so forth, but national media don't do a good
job. Just look at our latest witness, David Grush, and you don't
hate even have any coverage yet from major media, very high ranking you know,
former intelligence official. So so you come across witnesses. It could be
people that have seen this for themselves. It could be people that seem very
credible, like former astronauts and ASSA contractors, and you just start you said,
well, maybe I should pay attention to your UFO conferences in your area.
I went to one in Denver, and then you come across more topics
and more evidence. So it's like RV for me was like a gateway drug
to other topics, including crop circles, because we are viewed remote viewing being
the ability to get information and explore topics and distant from you. You were
actually tossed with these doing this. Yeah, yeah, we crop circles.
I didn't even know what a crop circle was in nineteen ninety six. I
have to I just got a graduate school. I've never heard of crop circles.
But I got curious, what are these huge patterns in the wheat over
in the UK. So in ninety seven I went over to the UK on
a crop circle tour with a guy named Ron Russell from the Denver area since
I lived in Boulder, and I met him at the UFO conference and he
said, we have these tours and I, you know, and I mentioned
something somehow the topic of fractal geometry came up. Now, the reason that's
important is fractal geometry is the study of mathematical objects that are between dimensions.
That's literally the definition clouds and rivers and baranchial systems, your lungs, things
that branch out and they have more than integer dimension because they keep expanding out
and they have finer and finer details. So clouds, for example, have
a dimension on you know, somewhere between two and three dimensions, like two
point two two point three. Well, anyway, I read for some people
the idea of non integer dimensions things between dimensions. And I'm not talking anything
supernatural here, I'm talking mathematically. But it does lead to that because you
begin to wonder, are there objects and things that were around, including the
crop circles, many of which were designed around fractal patterns. Yeah, that
gets you thinking about between dimensions. This is what p so. I had
studied this in graduate school, so I got the crop circles sort of linked
into fractals. And yes, I went over there and have been over there
about twenty times too. Wilcher to finishef for some reason. I don't know
why, but mainly they saying in motion yeah, h which is used down
the road. Yeah, I haven't the same one. Never say no.
Well, they were pairing a lot in the late nineties, early two thousands,
and so what really brought me in was, at the time we went
over, there's mystery what made them how and so forth, And we had
heard about people, but we sort of dismissed that. Later to learn that
there were groups that did make them. But then we began to wonder,
well, wait a minute, if we were in ones that were made by
people. Why were our cameras and batteries failing? And of course me coming
out of academia are thinking, are we dealing with some sort of non ordinary
electromagnetic fields? And guys, you know that's a very interesting area, non
standard electromagnetic fields of energy or potentials, and it gets you so to answer
your question now, I'm giving you a very long winded answer. Being supposed
to RV leads you to other topics. And if you're sort of you're disciplined
because you come out of academia, you don't just just miss these things and
say, oh, well, I was interesting. I'm just going to go
on back to my ordinary life. You're thinking, well, wait a minute,
wait a minute, why didn't my camera stop working in that kind and
other people's in other problems? What is it about those shapes that are affecting
cameras and batteries? And why are or one more? Yes, someone like
me that's had the training I've had, even going back to debate team in
high school, you're paying attention to evidence because you know that there could be
things that are true that no one has investigated yet. It's the history of
science. There are things that are true that we don't know about. And
it goes back to Kurt Girdle's incompleteness theorem. Kurt Girdle being a mathematician refugee
from Europe who was at Princeton's Advanced Institute for Study, and he created this
incompleteness theorem which said, there are things that are going to be true that
are not known from any existing logic system. So if you have this as
your background and fractals, you are open to the idea that there are things
that are true that the majority of society doesn't know about. In other words,
the mass belief system is wrong. You know it's wrong from the get
go, just looking at the history of science. How many things have turned
out to be true that we accept as obvious now that where people were highly
skeptical and critical of include every major scientific theory out there right now. So
I took these subjects seriously because of the credibility of the witnesses, my own
experiences in crop circles and with r V, and that eventually led to going
to more conferences about UFOs, since there weren't our V conferences right at the
beginning. Later there were our V conferences from the URVA organization, and just
you keep expanding out and you begin to realize there's a bigger story of what
we're experiencing on Earth then we've been told by schools, by parents. In
other words, it could be that everything we learned was wrong. Yeah,
that's a big one. But that's the only conclusion you can reach. The
story all of us were told, whether you're in the UK or the US,
and you went to ordinary schools like most of us, right, and
what we were taught as the story of reality is incomplete. Let's just say
it's incomplete. Oh, incomplete and falsified in a lot of cases because they
do not want certain information out to the public. They want to keep everybody
nice, little happy consumers. Go about your lives, don't look at that
man behind the curtain. There's so many different phenomenon that even the government has
admitted studying, not just UFOs, but like you said, with remote viewing,
the different projects they've had going on. But that Bigfoot too. Talk
to people who worked in the National Forest Service, national Park Service sort of
yeah, but can I say one thing about that mark. It's not just
that there's a them that don't want us to know, we don't want to
know either. I mean, I think part of the responsibility is on us
to demand that the government be accountable. And we're again we're hearing this a
lot in the last four dy eight hours because of this important witness that's come
forward, who we're going to hear more from later this week from an interview
from Ross Coolheart from Australia. And So I think the important thing is in
our country, we're the ones that create the government. I mean, we
there are representatives, so I have to believe and I guess I'm saying this
as a sociologist. I mean, humans are very concerned about fitting in because
we're mammals, and we have to take responsibility too that we play it too
safe sometimes. I'm not blaming anyone for doing this, but if you think
how you live and how you change your opinions based on people around you,
it's not easy to have another belief system that goes against everything that people around
you believe, especially when you could hurt your career chances and so forth,
or affect your career, you know. But it's true. There is no
doubt that our government, I can say for sure in the US knows about
things that it doesn't talk about, and at the same time we're kind of
acquiescent in that. But I also feel a lot of that has to do
with societal conditioning. Let's face it, from a very young age, even
though we as children get fascinated with things like monsters or UFOs or ghosts or
whatnot, and then what happens, parents say, oh, that's not real,
that's your imagination. Although Santa Claus is real until you reach a certain
age, but they it's officially denied. And then even when you become adults,
when it gets to the media, and how like you were saying earlier,
how the media treats it usually ignore it, or if they they do
a piece on it, there's always the snicker factor, or they play X
files music too totally dismiss it or diminish you know, the information. And
then so most people are conditioned most of their lives to ignore or not believe
in this kind of stuff. Religion plays a big part of it. I
you know, like I very religious friends who it's not the Bible, then
it doesn't exist. Although I always want to ask them, well, what
about the giants them? We're adults now and we can make choices and yeah,
everything is true. But adults, you have free will. You can
choose to write to the New York Times right now and say why didn't you
cover this warmer and our row and GEO official coming far? I mean,
you can do take actions. You could write you're here in the US,
your congress person, your senator and say hey, I want to know why
you're not talking about this or that. So there is no doubt we do
live around this environment. But things change. I mean Berlin Wall fell down
the year I was working over with East Germans in Vienna at a research institute,
and they never thought that would happen, but it did, and it
happened pretty rapidly. So it's not like things stay the same forever. And
so I think we do grow up in that. Yes, we grow up
in a society just like you described, and there's a lot of pressure to
tow the line. But I mean, this is the United States of America.
We can make choices. We don't have to cooperate with things that we
feel are unjust, and there's no harm in writing letters and changing your mind.
And like me, I mean, I don't think I would have believed
in a lot of these topics. But I did a lot of research.
I went to decades of conferences in many different topics. I got to know
witnesses and people, and I realized there was more going on than I had
been taught in gradual And I think anybody could have done that. It just
takes initiative, right, That's why it takes an initiative, and that's what
the sort of that's what Western civilization is about. Otherwise we'd all still believe
in Aristotle and we'd say that things move because they want to move to their
natural position. Well, none of us really believe that anymore. Well,
I have friends who believe that. It's just like you do, Martyo,
friends who believe certain things. But we are evidence based to people nowadays,
and we want to look at evidence, and we have evidence. And it's
a question of everyone doing their own research in their own way. Now.
People that want to just believe what they're told and so forth, it's really
their choice, isn't it. But I mean, they have podcasts like this
one right and others, and they can Boy, there's so many podcasts.
I can't listen to them all in one day. YouTube videos and you can
get educated on your own without the mainstream media where bypassed them. And I'll
give you a good example of that, Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Keene, who
write this article that comes out in the Debrief yesterday about an Intel official coming
forward with evidence of reverse engineered UFO programs. Now, this is something I
have heard about for over twenty years now from people that have had parents who
worked in them, or directly from the witnesses, most recently when I gave
a lecture in New Jersey just a few months ago. And sometimes they don't
repeat this because I signed in an NBA. So you have some who knows
that he has access to two thousand special access programs and he comes forward and
over the past couple of weeks has been interviewed. And I heard he was
going to come forward about two weeks ago from someone that tipped me off,
so I knew this was coming. Now, he really could be someone that
the media pays attention to, but they didn't. And Keen and Bloomenthal said
they were slated to have this in the Washington Post, but the Washington Post
wanted to take too long. And I can understand they probably wanted to take
weeks or months to check everything this guy is saying, right, And the
New York Times wanted to do that with Kane and Bloomenthal and Cooper's story in
twenty seventeen. Remember that big thing Pentagon UFO program, what we learned about
in twenty seventeen. And not everything in that article turned out to be exactly
accurate, but it was generally on the mark. So they didn't go to
the Washington Post or the New York Times. How much it just changes in
six years. They said, let's go to an online block, an online
newspaper, the Debrief, which is one of the best ones out there for
these sort of topics, right, and they father science topics, And they
bypassed something about that comes Debrief. I had an email come through about that
strong. Yeah, so read it because this is a shock. It came
the other day, but I didn't read my else for the last couple of
days. Well, we're all like this, you hear because guys, I
don't blame anyone here. We've been hearing that there's going to be big whistleblowers
coming forward, and you just slow is going to happen tomorrow for two decades
now or three decades. I don't blame anyone for being cynical. I totally
get this because ever since I got involved with r V in the nineties,
we were we heard you you know here, Oh it's coming in a couple
of months, the big, the big, the big reveal, guys,
right, and here we here we are twenty years later. And I felt
like and you guys could feel like this too. You got there and you
just saw the previews. You got to see the coming attractions. Where is
the movie? Well, the movie dropped yesterday that as far as i'm We've
had others come forward, Chris Mellen being an example. I worked in dd
saying this was going to happen, but we didn't have the critical way.
I've talked to some of these people who've handled UFO crash materials. I've talked
to them. They told me everything, and they told me they signed NDA's
and they can't bring it up again. They could they they could be sued
by the federal government for even talking about it. So you have a lot
of people out there, I would guess thousands who've been exposed to these programs
and materials that have chosen to remain silent because they're afraid to repercussions, just
like you're saying, Mark, they are remaining silent because they're afraid of repercussions.
But you had one who came forward. And here's the big one.
Everything he's saying, and we'll see in these interviews, which I imagine are
gonna be released on Thursday, he got approval from Pentagon to say, and
it is it did far out stuff. Guys. He's talking about how many
crash retrievals, what sort of crap, which ones were intact, which were
damaged. He's saying, No, these are not anything we understand. This
is not foreign technology. This is something either extraterrestrial or interdimensional, you know,
the drill well or something from the Earth we don't understand, right.
So that's I think the biggest point here is the Pentagon approved it and what
that means. As Bob McGuire who said, and he's someone I know.
He's taken my RV classes and I know him, we've spoken to many times,
and he worked in special access programs. He tweeted, and I think
this is accurate that the government folded. They folded on this. They could
have said, we don't give your permission like they've been doing for decades.
We don't give your permission to talk. This is special access program. You're
violating your security groom, and they folded and basically said, okay, go
ahead. Yeah, we're reverse engineering UFOs, there's crashes, there's other intelligence
there. So I think everything changed yesterday, at least for me. I've
been waiting for this type of event for decades, since I've talked to the
witnesses, but no one wanted to come forward publicly, and a lot be
on my YouTube channel or be interviewed because they would tell me, but they
wouldn't become public. So I haven't revealed their names yet. But this guy
said, Okay, this is our response, and this is important. He
said, it's our responsibility as Americans to take charge of the government here.
It's it's not doing its job. And there could be mark be deep conspiracies.
I mean, there could be people going to jail over this. I
mean the system could have been seriously corrupted, and I imagine people were killed
over this to keep the silence because the technological implications are so big. But
the system finally worked. You had a whistleblower come forward, and so I
think yesterday was it a very important day and we'll hear more. And I'm
sure there's more David Grusha's out there. I mean, this is so who
is this guy? He delivered the briefings to the president every day, which
means he has to have a higher security clearance than even the President of the
United States to decide what the President can hear every morning at their six I
am briefing the important person. Yeah, you know, I will be interested
to see if this has legs and goes anywhere. Where. My skepticism comes
in is that the government has, even over the last few years, released
certain information, including that incredible video shot off of the coast of California off
from the fighters of the US Nimics to tiktak UFOs, And while it made
a buzz in the UFO community on for paranormal TV shows and whatnot, and
it got a little bit of pressed on the mainstream media news and then landed
with a thud, and then it's not talking about again except in our circles.
The average public could care less. You know, they're with that mark.
I've had many people come up to me in coffee shops who know me
and Boulder, who know what I study. I'll give you some creit.
Yeah, they start a sneaker a little bit, but then they say,
but seriously, what was that to man that tick that? Because remember Tucker
Carlson fired recently. He would talk about this even on Fox News. And
I've had many people come up to me who might have snickered before. I'm
Mark, I think it's changed a little more than you're giving a credit.
I think it TikTok incidents moved us down the road, not to the big
reveal, but maybe in that direction. I mean, at least removing in
the right direction. Mark. Maybe you know the two steps forward, one
step back. Yet we made a step back after it was released. But
I think we made two steps forward just because and I can tell you this,
I had friends from high school call me and say, sim you were
right about this. I never thought there was much the UFOs and they saw
those three videos. I think it created discussion in the US, and I
think these congressional hearings are evidence that we've been having. Kirsten gill Lebrand,
Marco Rubio Senate Intelligence Committee, we had another I mean, Mark, I
know what you're saying, because even at that one in May, you had
Sean Kirpatrick come forward from the Arrow Office to All Domain Anomalies Resolution Office as
they call it. I mean, he can't get or obscure than that acronym.
I get it what you're saying, Mark, But but we have had
hearings and even so, look look at the setup right now. You had
Shan Kirkpatrick say to Kirsten Gila Brandon that very small meeting in a very small
room, though it was on c SPAN, you did they He did say
there's no evidence of extraterrestrial origin of these craft, which I know to be
BS based on the people I've talked to over the years, people who are
very credible, who've handled the materials. But here you have Sean David Grush,
who's higher ranked than Shan Kirkpatrick, coming out and saying no, categorically
it's either extraterrestrial or something we have no clue. No, that's not our
Avid series. So I think I think you'd have to say that's progress,
would't you. At least you have some discussion, You have Congressional hearings,
and you have someone big coming out now who's saying Congress is not doing its
job. And I think this is very important. So my response, Mark,
And I'm not trying to criticize you. I'm just saying it'll have legs
if we insist it has legs. And you'll be right, Mark, if
a year from now, Brush hasn't made any impact on this, you would
be right that people are too apathetic at this point to do anything. But
let's see what happens, because it's Twitter is alive with this discussion of what
David's talked about. We haven't heard his interview with Ross Colhart yet, which
is coming out, and we're told he briefed Congress for eleven hours, saying
we don't know what he told them, but I mean it's probably the same
sort of stuff. Let me tell you something. If you've talked to people
who've seen these crashes of these UFOs UAPs whatever you want to call him,
Yeah, it's freaky. It's freaky because you know what they say about these
craft They feel like when you go in them, even if the occupants have
been injured or are dead. They said it, yes, Irene, it's
like the craft knows you're there, and it is it's like it's a living
exactly. Even David A. Dare said, do you remember him from years
ago, and he said as a kid he experiment with rockets and New Mexico
and one ended up in White Sands missile based by accident or something. And
he I can't verify if his story is true. But people I know,
who I've talked to, who I know the stories you have said what he
said, it's like the thing is alive, just like you said, yeah,
yeah, I've heard that it is a number of times in the past.
And that's in a way where some of the most anomalous footage of these
craft, where they seem to actually be changing shape, yes, morphing right
in front of your eyes. Yes, like you're talking about something that's between
technology and a life like crystalline sentience. It's really cool. I mean that's
cool, guys, because anyone who's researched any of this always gets the feeling
that some of these phenomena that hard and dried scientists would say, well,
it's an or it's ball lightning, right. And I wrote a book about
ball lightning encryptids. I know even these ball lightning scientists who just say,
look, I'm studying ball lightning. They asked the question, but it seems
sentient, it seems conscious sometimes what are we dealing with? So there's an
overlap and these witnesses to these crashes. And let me tell you something.
I mean, this topic is so classified that every time I've gotten close to
people that have been in the craft or been handled the materials. I'm talking
senior engineers who work in solicon Valley, they ask me to change the names
to dates and all this because they don't want me to identify which particular crash
I'm talking about. Can you imagine how deadly this is? And I can
tell you deadly force is authorized to use around these craft that are recovered.
And this is serious. When the American military has the right to shoot people
on site, no questions asked. That's serious. It's not legal. There's
the US military has no authority to operate. Well, it just goes to
show how potent this is to cover it up and keep it it's yeah,
And it's if they have gone to those lengths to cover it up where people
could have been shot if they showed up anywhere even remotely close to these crash
sites. I've heard this on multiple occasions. What is set up around these
crash sites are diversions to make it look like a traffic accident or a forest
fire or something like this, so you wouldn't know you're not. But the
instructions for the guards, and I've spoken to people, either the guards themselves
or the people that knew, people that worked on as guards for the crash
retrievals, and their stations pretty far away from the site itself that maybe they
don't even see it. It's pretty far out. They are authorized to use
deadly force to keep anyone from even getting anywhere close. And that's serious because
nobody and it goes back to Mark's discussion here, which is a good one.
It's because nobody knows anything about this. We haven't been told anything.
And every time you bring it up, the skeptics will say, well,
it's just and Mark knows this argument, Well, that's just our foreign adversaries,
experimental black budget programs. It's Chinese or Russian or something like this.
And Grush is coming forward and saying, no, this is not their stuff.
And I know because I've had access to the special access programs and I
know what they're saying about it, and I know the measures. You know,
let me tell you something about special access programs that I learned. They
spend more money on covering them up than on the program itself. I mean,
disinformation, news, buying off journalists, all that stuff. So so
here's where what why this matters. And this is going back to Mark's point.
It seems that our system got severely corrupted by the UFO cover up and
that journalists are paid and bought off and are just in the palm of the
national security intelligence state because they get stories like so, you guys, if
you worked for a paper or a newspaper TV show, wouldn't you like to
get a drip of good stories? Well this is all they Yeah, of
course, because it's your life, Like, would you like to get the
scoop before everyone else? Well, here's how they work with definitely. And
this is what David said and Ross yesterday listening to Ross uh and Bryce Stables
uh YouTube channel YouTube, I forgot what it's called the spur of the moment
need to know. So this is what and I've heard this before. They
they're they're told, we'll give you that drip of good stories and that you
know, you'll get the scoop on the stories, which makes you look good
at your news organization. But you can't talk about X Y receive and they
do it, so the whole thing has been corrupted. And both are our
countries thrive on a free press. So if you don't have that, Denmark's
right, if you don't have a free press, then you might argue,
we don't live in a democracy. It's an authoritarian national security state. And
maybe what it became, maybe this democracy we thought we had as an illusion.
But again we've got someone like Groush coming forward, and the rest of
us don't have an excuse just to sit around and moan about it. We
could be writing right now, as I intend to do later today, to
these papers and my congress people and say, hey, how come you're not
talking about this? This is a pretty important person. I mean, this
guy gave security briefings to the youth the president of the United States every morning,
he's got you know, he's had access to two thousand special access programs.
Why aren't why isn't this a major news Why isn't this a major news
story? But what's more important than this that the system? Let me go.
I know I'm talking a lot, guys, but we had something this
isn't bort We had something called Watergate in the early seventy. You remember this
president had to resign over that scandal. It. Yeah, but that this
is bigger than that, because this means that it's been going on for ninety
years. Grocers saying the cover up has been going down for ninety years.
Yeah, and what that means this is why that this matters. We could
have had ninety years of bullshit that we've been swallowing. That's was disinformation created
to cover up UFO crashes. That's guys, that's eff and serious. Major
beliefs that we have could be just have been fabricated by the Air Force and
the intelligence agencies to cover up That's that is why this matters so much.
It mattered in Watergate, we had areings over that. My dad, who
was eug to this country from Nazi Germany. I remember driving down to He
was a big fan of seeing the Civil War monuments in battle fields, and
we were driving down to see them over vacation, and I remember he said
how moving it was that the system worked, the system of checks and balances
in the US. Because he had been from Nazi Germany, he saw where
it didn't work and the consequences there. So he was very moved by the
fact that the Congress could impeach the president if he hadn't resigned, right,
Yeah, And so we have to ask ourselves anyone in the free world,
Americans, British, Canadians, or others anywhere in Western Europe? Did the
system fail here? I mean, has there been a major malfunction of the
system, like a short circuit where we should have been having discussions about this
pre roswell and we haven't. Going Just going back to Mark's point, it
feels like a glitch in the matrix. Yeah, it really does. And
even at this moment talking about it, I'm highly moved by this. And
I went to the citizen hearing in twenty thirteen. I think I mentioned this
in the interview that didn't get recorded, And there were forty plus witnesses speaking
for five days at the National Press Club to retired senators and congressman and a
senator because they couldn't get any sitting congressman or senators to attend to hearings.
So it was a mock hearing, not a real hearing under oath. And
you had very credible people coming forward, Missile control, launch off control launch
officers, FAA officials, pilots, people, from the military, Rozel Hellier,
Linda Molton, how people there? You go, right, and guess
what did c Span cover it even for a minute? No, nobody covered
it exactly, Nobody newspapers published you know some things after the fact that with
a high snicker factory exactly. Hey, thank you Mark. It was so
snarky and I wanted to slap them. I mean, seriously. I sat
next to the reporters in the National. I was there for the full thing
I paid. It didn't cost anything. But Washington City isn't cheap to go
there for a week, to stay there and traveler it was free to go
in. Yeah. I sat next to these reporters The New York Times.
Guy I was sitting next and said, what do you think you know?
Right? Wouldn't would you? Irene remark would you ask that? What do
you guys think? What do you think of this here? And he goes,
it's the best material I've ever heard. I can't get them to send
anyone down from New York to cover it New York City. That was the
Times. I wrote something. I mean, I was sort of wasn't that
bad? The Washington Post article was very snarky, belittling, of these retired
many military men, you know, folks from the military, retired military people,
law enforcement. Very belittling, and I thought arrogant and stupid, and
I'm wondering if these people are going to pay up. They don't want,
you know what this comes down to. I mean, yeah, they don't
want. These people don't want to look bad because they've been had the opportunity
to take it seriously, even going back to Stephen for his disclosure conference in
two thousand and one. They have the opportunity to take this seriously and at
least ask the questions. I mean, if you don't believe in it,
fine, but at least present the case and the be witnesses involved. And
they haven't done it, so anyway, you know, going back to the
big question here, I mean, it's we've all been waiting a couple of
decades for serious discussion, and are we going to get it or is Mark
going to be right here? In a year, we're going to be we'll
be talking again and Mark will say, look, I told you nothing was
gonna happen. Well, I think somebody will happen if we make it happen.
And again, Berlin Wall fell down a lot faster iron curtain than we
thought. It can crumble. I mean, empires crumble some day. Maybe
this is it. We'll see the empire of disinformation, let's hope. So
it'd be nice for a change. Well, things change, and let me
give you can give you one example of this. Well, how I think
does change? So Bigfoot going to cryptids for a second something. I get
injured a couple of years ago. How did I get interested in? People
in my army class from Colorado? Locals from Colorado who took my classes had
told me about their Bigfoot encounters in the Rockies. I didn't pay attention to
it for a long time. It was just it was hard to reconcile with
other things. But now I know more about it, and that's why I
wrote dark Matter monsters. I think that Krypton's are another type of matter,
literally, which is why they can glide and slide and become invisible and do
all sorts of cool things of whither around or sometimes so. I went to
the Forks Bigfoot Festival last weekend in Forks, Washington, on the Olympic Peninsula,
and I met a fifth grade teacher there who had introduced the topic of
bigfoot to her fifth grade science class, just as like, maybe there's other
types of animals out there that we don't know about, you know, And
she got them to write to their local representatives in the state of Washington,
and she got two more counties to recognize bigfoot legally. Her fifth grade class
was able to get these counties there. So that means there's now four counties
in Washington State that make it illegal to harass bigfoot or harm them, and
before it was just Scamania and Watcomb County, which people know about that they
have written in their law that you can there's jail time for hurting, injuring,
or killing bigfoot, even though we can't agree on exactly what it is.
She got two more counties to acknowledge the existence of bigfoot and put some
laws in place, like any other animals would be protected and no hunting season,
so because we're not sure what this could be a relic human, you
know, it could be a human. So so there is progress like that,
And that's how it happens is people take it seriously. It starts with
discussions. So I know I've been talking a lot here, but to respond
to Mark's in view, and again I'm from debate teams in high school.
So for me to take the other position of mark, Yes, we've had
a lot of apathy. We've had almost almost a century of apathy and misinformation
disinformation. You can't blame the apathy base because the government has been putting out
to interformation. And Rick Dodi, who worked in the Air Force in disinformation,
told me this, and it's on my YouTube channel, Rick Dodi.
Just search for Simeon Heinie if I'm my YouTube channel. I interviewed him.
He said he had been involved in paying journalists who not write the truth,
which is serious and he regretted it now. But at the same time,
things can change abruptly in ways that no one can predict, and sometimes you
get a momentum building up, and this could be the start of it if
people demand that their representatives at least respond to Grush's demand for open I'm apparently
he's asking for open congressional hearings on the subject, so it will be interesting
to see if that happens. I guess we'll just since this is all new,
we'll have to wait and see. Yeah, we did have hearings in
sixty eight. It was just one day, right, and I know someone
who was there, Bob Wood. But there were hearings in sixty eight at
the behest of Gerald Ford, who was a congressman at the time before he
became president after Nixon resigned. But we had hear congressional hearings before. It
was just a long time ago. So now with much more information that it
doesn't seem inconceivable. They're they're kinming congressional hearings now, but they're classified.
They are not we're not hearing them, but we are. We know the
witnesses who've gone in front of Congress recently, and some of them weren't the
citizen hearing. Missile control launch officers and people like that. Grush said he
testified. So it's happening in a classified way. So you can only wonder
what these congress people are thinking when they haven't had twenty years, like the
rest of us, to hear about this and talk about it. They're just
like boom, like a big cup of espresso, drink a couple of cops
of cups of that, and now you're gonna find out because it's the implication
of this. Maybe and I'm not trying to scare anyone, but there could
be lots of life forms around us that we've never been told about. I
know it's ring even in your country of the UK. I had an interview
and I can't remember his name or the podcast. I'm trying to remember it.
And he told me about werewolf dogman sightings in his area on a nature
reserve of battle soldiers and they were they were shaking after what they saw.
So we know this happens around the world, not that it's publicly talked about,
but I think people should know. You could run into cryptids that we
really don't know very much about, and really anything could happen when you run
into them, uh, you know, and and there's being extraterrestrials and we
all know I heard the accounts of this what that does lives to encounter that
you might never be the same again just by being close to one of these
craft that's semi sentient. I mean, it could be a physics thing,
not that they're intending to harm you the ets, but you know, we
don't really know. So to go to that next step. Over the next
couple of years of saying, folks, we lie to you for ninety years,
we actually can't control the airspace We can't even control your neighborhood. Things
could come in your home, they could show up in your backyard. And
we really don't know very much about this, and what we do know we
haven't shared with you. Okay, have a nice day. That won't be
one way dropping it on everyone, wouldn't it? That could be one way
to do it. I mean, are they gonna fold like East Germany and
just it's all over in a couple of months. But I don't know,
We don't know, none of us know. Mark has valid points about this.
Yes, to me, it's different today after hearing Rush, after hearing
need to know. I'm not trying to just promote their site. But they
did a very good job. Cool Heart has an interview coming out with him.
They filmed it, I think, very careful secretly so that no one
knew that it's coming out in the day or two. And what he said,
Sorry, Laca said earlier on I've got the email from Chrissy Newton,
Yes on the date brief Well read the article, Irena, Mark, because
it like, if you didn't think the hammer was going to fall, it
fell. Now you have someone and he was certainly not going to be the
last super credible person insider in the National Security Community NRO. He's from the
NRO. It was a crime even to mention the NRO before a number of
years ago. It was so classified even mentioning their existence could cause legal repercussions
against people that had worked there. You couldn't even admit exist. It's the
satellite, the government satellite organization. And now we have someone from there coming
forward telling us how real it all is. So there'll be more witnesses.
And I talked to some of these. Maybe they'll come forward and tell us
what they thought when they handled these materials and what they thought it was because
they told me exactly what Grush said. It's not from here. That material
doesn't You don't find it on Earth. It's not This technology is made from
another part of the galaxy. That's what this person told me. Galaxy,
another part of You don't have those isotopes. And what Grush said is what
this witness told me. And it's on my YouTube channel that you know engineer
tells me about senior engineer tells me about handling these materials. Then I will
also the link to the this I'm about to put it on Twitter. And
he told me what Grush said, the atomic arrangement of these elements isn't how
we even do it on Earth when we're making isotopes, which are very expensive
and lengthy, you know, uranium into platonium, how we usees, so
we make other types of istobes for other reasons. But this guy said,
this is not made the way we do it here. It was made by
changing the number of electrons and not the number of neutrons. And Grush suggested
as he said, the atomic arrangement isn't something that's familiar to humans. So
zero G environment density that you don't find with our electronics. I mean,
like we're talking to millennia ahead of where we're at. This is where Grush
is going. Yeah, this is big. And I knew this day was
coming, and I've been waiting patiently because I didn't want to ruin anyone's life
by putting names out there and having them get bugged by the media and being
you know, feeling regretful that they talked to me. They didn't want that
to happen. But I was waiting for this day so I could write to
them again and say, hey, would you like to do an interview?
Now, let's come out anyway, guys, David rush As, We'll definitely
have to look into that. I've got it all here up. I would
like I would like to say to YouTube, Yeah, watched The Need to
Know because Cole Hart, Colhart and Zabel I mean Colhart who interviewed Grush and
the interviews coming out again in a day or two. He was angry.
He said, he's angry and afraid. That is quite something I've heard Ross
be talked for a year now, since I started listening to his YouTube channel.
That's the word he used. Angry, very angry and afraid because the
way this has gone about, and we've heard this from Stephen Greer going back
twenty years, is that laws were broken to conceal this these programs, and
that's very serious, big major laws, and that people are going to go
to jail over this. I've been hearing this for a long time. And
Gresha said the same thing, and I think that's motivated him to come out.
I mean he just said he's a patriot, American patriot, and the
system is designed to work, not designed to be covered up. So very
cool. Well, we are coming up here on the end of the program,
and uh wow, we gotta have you again, Simon. Yeah,
because we have so much more to talk about from what I'm sorry we didn't
really get into all the stuff I want to talk about what I have found
with these subjects and the types of faces, and we got to that last
time. It was so interesting. I remember our conversation. But it is
just so important what happened yesterday that we had to cover it because it could
be this could be the major demarcation where it changes, could be. Good.
Well, we'll bring you back in a few weeks. I'll talk with
Michelle, we'll make some arrangements and we'll definitely pick it up from here.
Thanks a lot, guys, I appreciate it, and okay, we'll talk
against it. All right. Well, I want to thank everyone for tuning
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