WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:33.359 Welcome back to the Path wind Chili for this month's bonus Patreon minisoke, I'm 2 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:39.079 Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's 3 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:45.960 case. February fourteenth, two thousand and six, horum Nevada, forty one 4 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:51.000 year old Marine Fields arrives her work at her bank and expresses concern that something 5 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:55.159 is going to happen to her. The following day, Marine fails to show 6 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.799 up for work, and her husband, Paul Fields, claims that he last 7 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:03.799 saw her when she left the house that morning. Maureene's abandoned car is discovered 8 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.760 in the desert, along with many of her personal items, which she is 9 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:12.319 nowhere to be found, and suspicion is directed towards her husband. Years later, 10 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:18.239 DNA evidence from the scene is matched to a convicted sex offender named Keith 11 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:23.760 Wayne Holmes, but because he's suffering from dementia, he's unable to provide concrete 12 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:29.599 answers about what happened and soon passes away. After that, the Path went 13 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:33.599 chilly, So today we're going to be exploring a case which took place on 14 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:38.079 Valentine's Day. The two thousand and six Disappearance of Marine Fields. This is 15 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.159 the story of a Nevada woman whose abandoned car was discovered in a remote desert 16 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:46.799 area of California, but a search of the area failed to turn up any 17 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.560 trace of her body on the surface. This appeared to be one of those 18 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:55.599 missing persons cases where it seemed obvious that the spouse was responsible, as Marine's 19 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:59.000 marriage to her husband, Paul Fields, was in a very troubled place, 20 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.640 and prior to her disappearance, Marine had expressed concern that her life might be 21 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:07.360 in danger. But to everyone's surprise, when DNA testing was performed on a 22 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:13.319 pair of pantyhose found in Marine's car, it wound up matching an elderly convicted 23 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.960 sex offender named Keith Wayne Holmes, who was serving time in a California prison 24 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:22.879 at that point for an unrelated crime. When questioned, Holmes originally stated that 25 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.639 he knew Paul Fields, which implied that Paul may have hired him to murder 26 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:30.560 Marine. But the problem is that Holmes was suffering from dementia, so he 27 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:35.360 kept changing his story and was unable to provide a consistent answer about why his 28 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:40.319 DNA was found on Marine's pantyhose. Holmes eventually passed away, so investigators have 29 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:45.360 been unable to figure out how he fits into this case or what actually happened 30 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.240 to Marine. So we're definitely going to have a lot to talk about on 31 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:52.919 today's episode. Well, here's what I was thinking as you're starting to describe 32 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.080 this case. I thought, Oh my gosh, her poor husband. Of 33 00:02:55.159 --> 00:03:00.319 course becomes the number one suspect and the person that is going to be tied 34 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.960 to this murder because or disappearance, because that's what happens in these cases. 35 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.360 We all know the husband is going to be number one suspect. And then 36 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:15.599 you have the idea that the DNA actually matches Holmes, who's suffering from dementia. 37 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:20.800 But Holmes does throw out that it's possible Paul Fields hired him to kill 38 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.520 his wife, and then we learned that there's a trouble marriage, so I 39 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:28.280 have to know more. I wanted to have complete empathy and sympathy for the 40 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.719 husband, and now I just need answers. Well, I'll tell you that, 41 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:35.240 regardless of whether or not the husband did it, it does sound like 42 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:37.879 he was a major jerk, So I don't think you can have much sympathy 43 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:43.560 for him. By the way, Our story begins in two thousand and six 44 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:50.120 in Perumph, Nevada, an unincorporated desert town located in Nye County, over 45 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.879 sixty miles west of Las Vegas near the California state line. Our central figure 46 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:59.759 is forty one year old Marine Fields, who lives with air fifty six year 47 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.560 old husband, Paul Fields. The couple have been married for nearly fifteen years 48 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:09.439 and originally hail from New Jersey. They've lived in Perump for ten months, 49 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:13.319 and Marine now works as a bank teller at the local Wells Fargo branch. 50 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.519 On Valentine's Day, Marine showed up for work at the bank, but both 51 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:23.240 her co workers and customers noticed that she seemed very perturbed. At various points 52 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:27.199 throughout the day, Maureene broke out into tears, but would not go into 53 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.160 any specifics about what was bothering her, only stating quote, Something's going to 54 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:35.079 happen. When one of her colleagues asked if she was going to have a 55 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:41.959 good Valentine's Day, Marine replied no. Marine never did share what was wrong, 56 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.120 and when she left the bank at the end of her shift that day, 57 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:47.800 he would turn out to be the last time she was confirmed to be 58 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:53.879 alive. The following morning, Maureene was supposed to show up for work at 59 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:59.399 eight thirty a m. But never arrived. After twenty minutes passed, her 60 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.759 co worker decided to phone Marine's husband, Paul at home. Paul claimed that 61 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:08.839 Marine had left the house at eight am to drive to work and he didn't 62 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:12.839 have any idea where she was. However, he said that he was going 63 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.319 to go to the police station and file a missing person's report for her. 64 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.759 Well. Paul went to the police that morning, but the only thing he 65 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:26.759 did was inquire about whether or not there had been any reported accidents involving a 66 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:30.600 green two thousand and four Hyundai, which was the vehicle Marine drove. When 67 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:35.720 the police told him no, Paul left the station. He would later claim 68 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:41.240 that he attempted to report Maureene missing but was informed that he'd have to wait 69 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.879 at least twenty four hours. However, the deputy on duty said that when 70 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:50.160 Paul inquired about the accidents, he never actually mentioned anything about his wife at 71 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:57.680 all. Okay, Robin, you're right, Paul seems like he already is 72 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.199 a suspicious character, because the I thanks calling him around eight point fifty in 73 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.439 the morning, saying hey, Marine never showed up for work, and he's 74 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:06.920 like, I'm on it. I'm going to file a missing person's report. 75 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:12.600 It's like, okay, I don't think that would be your first reaction. 76 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:14.720 I think you'd be in a little bit of a panic, like, Okay, 77 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.639 let me retrace her steps, let me call me if you hear something, 78 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:20.879 and then you might start going I need to go have the police help 79 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.160 me look for her. But the first thing you do when you walk through 80 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.279 those doors is say, my wife hasn't shown up for work. I need 81 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:30.040 help. Can you please help me look for her. I need to file 82 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.199 a missing person's report. I'm horrified of what could have happened to her. 83 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:38.639 He's basically just saying have you had a car accident reported? Or Okay, 84 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.279 then have a great day, and he walks off. He's lying to the 85 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.120 people at the bank. He's misrepresenting what he did at the police department. 86 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.040 Why would you do that? I know grief makes you do very bizarre things, 87 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:55.240 but why those actions when you think he would have a totally different, 88 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:00.120 more calculated approach to trying to help find Marine. I'm going to venture a 89 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.639 guess, and this is just allegedly, but grief does not make you behave 90 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:09.000 like this. This is a bit of a reach for me. The fact 91 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:12.879 that he goes into the police station and we see people sometimes when it's like 92 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.560 the quote unquote the husband did it, and they're doing the most in order 93 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:20.199 to kind of avert any eyes or suspicion away from them. But in this 94 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.800 case, it feels like he's doing the very bare minimum so he can say, 95 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.680 oh, yeah, I was there, I did this, but he 96 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:32.680 actually doesn't want to alert law enforcement for any number of reasons. Maybe he 97 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.480 wants to make sure that whoever he collaborated with, if he was indeed involved, 98 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:42.519 he has had time to get rid of any evidence, or he himself 99 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:46.199 needs to come up with a proper story or alibi. It just is very, 100 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:51.040 very concerning because that doesn't seem to be the reaction of a loving husband. 101 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.920 I know grief makes people do crazy things, but it just doesn't seem 102 00:07:55.959 --> 00:08:00.240 like if you're grieving that you wouldn't care where your wife was. Because these 103 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:03.319 seem to be the actions of somebody who doesn't really and truly want to find 104 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:09.040 his wife, because he hasn't even articulated that she's missing, And would you 105 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:13.560 go straight to a missing person's like finding a missing person's report fifty minutes after 106 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.519 she was supposed to be at work. Like my first reaction would be like, 107 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.920 oh my god, Okay, something's happened. I'm going to call these 108 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:24.399 people. Can you guys call these people. I'm gonna drive her route to 109 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:26.800 work. I'll meet you at the bank, And like there would just be 110 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.759 a different reaction of like, Okay, she's an hour late to work. 111 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:33.759 That's weird, but let me do let me do these things, let me 112 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.200 get up there and let's see what we can do. Like I don't know 113 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.720 that I'd be heading to the police department five zero minutes later, fifteen minutes 114 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.440 later, and you'd call a hospital, you'd call her good friends, you'd 115 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.559 call her mother, anybody who's related. You'd start like a phone chain and 116 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:54.159 be like, has anybody seeing Maureen? This is completely uncharacteristic. I agree 117 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.320 with you. I think fifty minutes seems like a very narrow timeframe to go 118 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.519 straight to the police, and then the way that he approached it seems extremely 119 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:07.159 odd. So there's some incongruities here for sure. And technically it's not even 120 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.639 fifty minutes because she was supposed to arrive at eight thirty, and they called 121 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.120 him twenty minutes later, so technically, she's only twenty minutes late, like 122 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.639 she could have gotten caught in traffic or something. And his first response was, 123 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:18.759 Oh, I'm going to go straight to the police and foul a missing 124 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.159 person's report, Like even the most loving spouses are not going to be that 125 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:28.000 concerned that fast. Oh my gosh, I thought you I thought work was 126 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.639 at eight. It is. She left the house supposedly at eight, Robin, 127 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.840 You're so right, So twenty minutes late, he's going missing person's report, 128 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.679 time to turn her in. Red flag, red flag. Yeah, 129 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:41.600 Like he was just trying to put on a show to make himself look like 130 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.960 the concerned husband. Like what if she just lost track of time and stopped 131 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:50.279 at a Starbucks or got a flat tire. Any number of things can happen 132 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.240 in twenty minutes. I could understand if she was like six hours late and 133 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:58.320 you haven't heard from anybody, and you're going, okay, at this time, 134 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.120 we really got to do something, glad to go to the police. 135 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.399 But twenty minutes, I mean, my husband's been late twenty minutes for plenty 136 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.879 of things. And the last thing I was thinking, is I better alert 137 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:13.519 the authorities. So the day after Marine disappeared, her green Hyundai was discovered 138 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:18.200 abandoned across the state line in the Mojave Desert in Inyo County, California. 139 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.360 It was parked nearly one hundred and twenty feet from the highway at a location 140 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.879 which was over twenty miles away from Perump and in close proximity to Death Valley. 141 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.759 The keys were still in the vehicle's ignition, the driver's seat was fully 142 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.759 reclined, and Marine's purse, which still contained her wallet and credit cards, 143 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.200 had been left behind. There were numerous items inside the vehicle, including a 144 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:45.240 pair of knotted pantyhose, some religious pamphlets, and Marine's eyeglasses and slippers, 145 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.360 which were underneath the gas pedal. There was also a twenty two caliber rifle 146 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.759 in the back seat, along with multiple bottles of prescription painkillers, including one 147 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:58.200 bottle of Xanax which appeared to be empty. On the ground outside the vehicle, 148 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.840 there was a blanket with very small traces of blood and vomit on it. 149 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.120 However, an extensive search of the surrounding desert turned up no trace of 150 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.480 Marine. Initially, there was speculation that Marine might have wandered off into the 151 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:15.159 desert and completed suicide by overdosing on the pills from the empty Xanax bottle, 152 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.639 but this theory was shot down once it was discovered that the bottle had been 153 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:24.360 completely wipe clean of fingerprints. In addition, there was unidentified male DNA on 154 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.039 the knotted pantyhose, so fear began to set in that Marine had been the 155 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:33.720 victim of foul play. There's a lot of concerning things here. You have 156 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.480 the twenty two caliber rifle in the back seat, but you also have that 157 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:43.799 front seat that's tilted backwards, it's reclined. We see this so often in 158 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.480 criminal cases where when you arrive at the car and that front seat is out 159 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.799 of the traditional position of like what that victim would be driving, So location 160 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.360 of the steerum wheel, the way that the back would be set, all 161 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:01.879 of those things, it shows that something else happened that front seat beyond driving 162 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.399 to that location and leaving, almost like a sexual assault happened in the front 163 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:13.399 seat where the attacker pushes the seat back to provide that room to attack the 164 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.039 victim. And so for me, that's always one of those things I look 165 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.759 for in a case is I say, what was the position of the front 166 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.759 seat. Was it the same spacing and the same upright position that she'd be 167 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.360 driving in And in this case no, So that to me, an addition 168 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.879 to the DNA you find on the panty hose, shows that something else happened 169 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.799 here. She didn't drive there to complete suicide. And one clarification is that 170 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.080 I don't know if they've ever done DNA testing on the blood in the vombit 171 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:43.600 to confirm that it belonged to marine. I'm kind of guessing it did, 172 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.720 because if it matched anyone else, I'm sure we would have heard about it. 173 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:50.200 But the blood isn't unusual if she was murdered, but the bombit is. 174 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.559 So it almost makes me wonder maybe she was forced to follow swallow some 175 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:58.159 pills against her will. Either that or with trauma, end up being upset 176 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.360 of being let's say, sexually assaulted or something of that. Instead being so 177 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.279 scared, she could have also vomited. You could have had a killer that 178 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.159 may have felt remorse or discussed with what they did, and they also could 179 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:16.120 have vomited. Well. Suspicion immediately turned towards Paul Fields, who still claimed 180 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:20.200 he last saw Marine when she left for work on the morning of February fifteenth. 181 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.399 He said they'd gotten into an argument before she left, and the last 182 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.799 words she said to him more quote, I might as well do it now. 183 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.759 Why wait? According to Paul, the argument had stemmed from him turning 184 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.679 down sex with her the night before, but no one could be certain if 185 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:41.120 Paul's story was true, as the last independent eyewitnessed who could confirm having seen 186 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.279 Maureen were her coworkers, who saw her leave the bank on Valentine's Day. 187 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.480 According to Marine's family and friends, her marriage to Paul was not in good 188 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.840 shape at that point and she was looking for a divorce. He was known 189 00:13:54.879 --> 00:14:00.679 for being a jealous, domineering husband, and even though Marine claimed Paul had 190 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.759 never crossed the line into physical abuse, she appeared to be afraid of him 191 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:09.320 and had even said quote, if I ever disappear, tell police. Paul 192 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.360 did it. Before he met Marine, Paul already had a previous divorce under 193 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.799 his belt and was estranged from his two daughters. According to Paul's ex wife, 194 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.919 he would miss his child support payments, and whenever she denied him visitation 195 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.799 with his daughters, she would soon find her windshields smashed or tires slashed well. 196 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.440 Paul denied harming Marine and seemed certain that she had abandoned her car in 197 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:39.759 the desert and orchestrated her own disappearance. He claimed the Marine had been draining 198 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.279 money from their joint bank accounts because of a gambling problem, and had withdrawn 199 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:48.360 two thousand and taken seven thousand in cash advances off their credit cards before she 200 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:54.440 went missing. When police checked the couple's financial records, they discovered the Marine 201 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.360 had taken a four thousand dollars advance off of one of her credit cards, 202 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.000 but used the money to pay off the balance on another card. The one 203 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:09.039 detail which made Marine's family and friends skeptical about her disappearing voluntarily was the fact 204 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.120 that she left behind her pet pitbull dog, Wolfy, whom she absolutely adored, 205 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.679 and no one believed that she would have ever taken off without WOLFI okay 206 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:24.919 for me, I almost feel like this is a reverse of what actually happened 207 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.960 that day. So you have Paul who says, oh, Marine's mad because 208 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.320 I denied her sex and she took all this money and was gambling it away. 209 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:37.000 And I wonder if it's really Paul who's gambling their money away. Maureene 210 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:41.320 cans him. Maureene's the one who denies him sex because she's so mad at 211 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.279 him, and then he stages this idea that he's gonna hurt her. But 212 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.600 it seems to me like he would be the one who is sitting there saying, 213 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:52.759 okay, let me take my actions and reverse them on themselves. Like 214 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:58.279 Maureen was mad at me about all of these things. I attacked and killed 215 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.399 her, maybe even accidentally, but just of a rage. So I'm going 216 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.519 to stage it and tell the police she did all of these troubling behaviors which 217 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:10.120 would set her up for that suicide or running away. And instead he's really 218 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:14.679 covering for his own actions, like she's so upset that she was denied sex 219 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.919 from the man that she wants to divorce from, that she's going to decide 220 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.639 to end her own life. Like okay, Paul, I agree. It's 221 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:26.360 like classic projection exactly, and just the whole line, like I might as 222 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.080 well do it now. Why wait? It sounds like something you'd hear a 223 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.360 character say on a soap opera, Like you're rarely going to see someone say 224 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.480 that if they're being suicidal, say this very dramatic line, and then conveniently, 225 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.600 when they find her car, it's like an empty Xanax bottle. So 226 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.960 there it sounds like he's trying to plant the seats that she went off on 227 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.200 her own and completed suicide. But of course, since there were no fingerprints 228 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.879 found on the pill bottle, the police did not buy that at all. 229 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.200 So it definitely seems like major projection, and he's accusing Marine of doing a 230 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:57.759 lot of the stuff that he himself had done. So Paul's alibi for Valentine's 231 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.600 Day was that he went out to dinner with a friend, brought home food 232 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.720 for Marine, and then spent the rest of the evening watching television without leaving 233 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:10.200 his mobile home. However, police checked Paul's cell phone records from that night 234 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:12.640 and saw that he made a call to an acquaintance which pinged off a cell 235 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:17.799 phone tower. The location of this tower seemed to suggest that Paul would have 236 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.039 had to be on the other side of town in order to make this call. 237 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.799 When questioned by police, there were numerous details about Paul's story which would 238 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:30.200 change. As you recall, a twenty two caliber rifle had been found in 239 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.880 the back of Marine's hunday, and when asked by police if any weapons were 240 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.519 missing from his home, Paul checked his closet and expressed surprise that a twenty 241 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:42.400 two caliber rifle was missing. However, in an interview years later, Paul 242 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.599 claimed that he had given the rifle to Marine to take to a gun shop 243 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:49.720 in order to get an estimate on how much it would cost repair, which 244 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:55.200 seemed to go against his story about giving off a surprised reaction when he discovered 245 00:17:55.200 --> 00:18:00.160 the rifle was not in his closet anyway. After the mandatory ninety day waiting 246 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.680 period following Marine's disappearance, Paul immediately went to court to try to get her 247 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:08.160 name taken off their joyly owned property, and was met with resistance from Marine's 248 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:12.599 family. Paul was able to have Marine declared legally dead in two thousand and 249 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:18.440 nine and became executor of her estate, though it was generally standard practice for 250 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.759 a person to be missing at least seven years before they're declared dead in absentia, 251 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.720 the police openly considered Paul to be the prime suspect and attempted to file 252 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:32.519 charges against him for Marine's disappearance, but the local district attorney's office felt that 253 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:37.880 the evidence was insufficient. Paul continued to maintain his innocence, and the investigation 254 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.440 would eventually turn in a very surprising direction. Okay, so the gun is 255 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:47.559 really an interesting tibet. But let's back up. Even before that, him 256 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:52.680 Valentine's Day, he's out to dinner with his friend, very weird, and 257 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.799 then he's going to bring dinner home to Marine. It seems like when he 258 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.480 talks about, oh, I just had this amazing night with my friend, 259 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.880 I brought up home dinner for my wife. We just hung out, you 260 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:06.880 know, and I watched TV because supposedly she was there and left at eight 261 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:11.720 am the next morning. So it's interesting that Maureene was having such a bad 262 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.759 day at work and she said she's going to have a terrible Valentine's Day. 263 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.799 And his story is that he was out with friends, he came home and 264 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.680 brought her dinner. It was just a very calm and relaxing night. I 265 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.799 just don't think that is what happened. I think the day had started off 266 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:33.519 horrific and she knew she was coming home to a hailstorm of abuse, and 267 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.400 something happened that evening. It could be that Paul even had that dinner with 268 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.440 friends and was across town on purpose to show police. You know, I 269 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.920 was not even near Maureene at the time. And then you get to this 270 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.319 gun where he says, oh, my goodness, a gun is missing from 271 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:52.400 my closet and it happens to be a twenty two caliber weapon. Oh wait, 272 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.839 there was a twenty two found in our car. Okay, well, 273 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:59.480 I had actually given that to her to go see if you can get fixed. 274 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:04.200 Those are massive errors in your story. One that would be a shock 275 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:08.119 and it's missing. Did Maureene take it to hurt herself? And the other 276 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.160 one's like, oh, I can explain that away because maybe his fingerprints were 277 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.680 on it or whatever else he was trying to cover. With the second story, 278 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.279 he tells, Paul's a mess. I've got a question for you both. 279 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:26.319 Who casually goes out for Valentine's Day dinner with friends but doesn't take their 280 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.440 wife Because typically most restaurants have set menus. You're going to pay like double 281 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:34.359 the price, and you're gonna be sitting around all of these couples and sometimes 282 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:40.599 like awkward first dates. It can be such a hallmark holiday type of a 283 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:45.799 situation and it just feels really bizarre that he's gonna be out like, oh, 284 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.559 just super casual out with friends on Valentine's date and going to bring my 285 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.880 wife who's sitting at home dinner. Doesn't that feel weird? That's the part 286 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.039 that seems weird to me is if you're gonna go out with your friends because 287 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.880 you're pissed at your wife, go out with your friends and stay out all 288 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.319 night, but don't say you went out with friends, waited hours to get 289 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:07.759 seated at a table, and then brought her home dinner and had this relaxing 290 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.440 night. You were either going to spend it with your friends or you were 291 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.880 going to spend it with your wife, like which one isn't Because as we're 292 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:17.000 going to talk about, we're going to explore a theory that Paul hired someone 293 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.680 to kill his wife. So I see no indication that this story about going 294 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:22.920 out to dinner with a friend isn't true. So that could have been his 295 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:27.359 way of making an alibi for himself and placing himself in public if someone else 296 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.839 was killing his wife. But of course it just doesn't fit the facts because 297 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:34.319 he's the one saying that, oh, when I got home, I was 298 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.680 the one who denied sex to my wife, And I'm thinking, if you 299 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:40.839 spent dinner with friends, I think she would be the one denying sex for 300 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:45.920 you. So nothing about this story holds up. In twenty twelve, there 301 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:51.960 was finally a match on the unidentified male DNA found on the knotted pante hoose 302 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:56.759 inside Marine's car. It was linked to an eighty one year old registered sex 303 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.519 offender named Keith Wayne Holmes, who was incarcerated for trying to lure a twelve 304 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:06.759 year old girl into his car in Pere Blossom, California. When Holmes was 305 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:11.240 arrested for the incident in June twenty eleven, a newspaper clipping of an anniversary 306 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:18.039 article about Marine's disappearance was found under a mattress in his nineteen sixty five Ford 307 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.519 Camper. At that time, Holmes already had numerous sexual offenses on his record, 308 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.920 and he also apparently had a history of picking up sex workers, beating 309 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:32.160 them, and abandoning them by the side of the road. While Pear Blossom 310 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:37.680 was over two hundred miles away from Perump, investigators did uncover evidence that Holmes 311 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:42.359 was in the parumpt area in two thousand and six, witnesses remembered homes frequenting 312 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:48.400 local campgrounds during this time period in his forward camper, and he was known 313 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:53.640 for singing church music around the campfire. When investigators questioned Holmes, he admitted 314 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:59.519 to knowing Marine and explained the presence of his DNA by claiming that they had 315 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.680 considered and jewel sex together, but he denied harming Marine and said that he 316 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.279 left her alive in Death Valley before they went their separate ways. When asked 317 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.839 about Paul Fields, Holmes claimed he did know him, but he wouldn't provide 318 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:18.359 any further details. That's a really disturbing part that he does say that he 319 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.880 one did have sexual contact with her and two knew who Paul Fields was. 320 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:29.559 Again, he has dementias, so we can't necessarily say with certainty that he's 321 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:33.599 confident in what he's saying or that he's not falsifying information to get attention. 322 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:37.480 But he does have these sex crimes on his record. You do see that 323 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:42.680 front seat leaned back and the DNA is located on the panty hose, indicating 324 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:48.839 a sexual encounter of some nature. But I feel like if you were having 325 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.400 an affair and you were at your wits in with your husband, and you're 326 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:56.519 telling people that you know, if I go missing, it's my husband. 327 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.680 I feel like there might have been one or two friends, your mom, 328 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.519 somebody that knew like, hey, I'm like getting attention from somebody else. 329 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.000 It's amazing. I'm going to pursue that I want away from my husband. 330 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.279 There was no part of Marine. I don't think of as having an affair 331 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:18.119 on the side with a convicted sex offender and then just accidentally goes missing or 332 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:22.720 is killed after their casual sexual encounter. That just does not seem to fit 333 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.279 the bill here at all. Well, Marine was forty one years old at 334 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:30.160 the time and Holmes was in his seventies, and if you look up photographs 335 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.240 of him, he's a creepy looking dude. And I find it very unlikely 336 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.480 that someone like Marine is going to be having consensual sex with him, even 337 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:40.880 if she was angry with her husband. And of course this thing about oh 338 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:42.960 I left her alive and Death Valley we went our separate ways, and it's 339 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.640 like Death Valley is a desert area in the middle of nowhere which can get 340 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:51.400 very hot and you can die if you're left alone there. So it seems 341 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.279 pretty weird that they would just go and have sex out there in the desert 342 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.440 and then just leave her there and stuff. It just doesn't hold up. 343 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:00.319 And I don't know if he was making up the story to cover him himself 344 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.079 or because of his dementia, he had no idea what was really going on, 345 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:07.480 and it just had these elaborate fantasies, but nobody bought it. It 346 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:12.079 sounds pretty calculated though. It sounds like you're trying to explain away if they 347 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:17.119 ever find the body and you can actually connect the physical evidence that he's like, 348 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.960 well, obviously it's there. I said that we had consensual sex. 349 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:25.160 It seems like maybe he just made up the story. But it's one of 350 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:29.039 those things we see perpetrators do where they lie and they're like, oh, 351 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:32.839 yeah, like I had consensual sex with the victims. So if you find 352 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:36.920 my fingerprints or my DNA, then that's why it's not because I murdered them. 353 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:41.400 I left them alive. Somebody else must have done that. Well. 354 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.960 Needless to say, no one believed Holmes's story about consensual sex with Marine, 355 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:49.799 but there were already major issues with questioning him. By this point, Holmes 356 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:55.039 was suffering from dementia. And while police continued to interview him on multiple occasions, 357 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.359 he became less and less lucid. It eventually reached the point where Holmes 358 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.359 would confess such crimes as the murders of his mother and his wife, and 359 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:07.599 he even started believing that one of the detectives was his son. The final 360 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.359 time Holmes was questioned, he was in a prison hospice bed, and when 361 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.599 asked if he knew Paul Fields, he answered quote, I think so. 362 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.000 But when asked if he remembered how he knew Paul, Holmes simply replied no. 363 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.640 In the end, Holmes could not provide any conclusive answers about what happened 364 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:27.279 to Marine, and he died in April of twenty fourteen. For his part, 365 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:32.960 Paul denied knowing Holmes, and obviously the statements of a suspect with dementia 366 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:37.319 could hardly be considered concrete evidence against him. However, in spite of the 367 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.920 DNA match to Holmes, investigators made it clear that they have not eliminated Paul 368 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.440 as a suspect. But unfortunately, there's still no answers about what actually happened 369 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:49.279 to Marine, and her body has never been found, So I guess you 370 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:56.160 could say the path went Chile. That's pretty powerful when you have a DNA 371 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.039 mounted to a convicted sex offender and you're pretty confident that we did not survive 372 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:04.000 this attack, and you say, okay, yes, so we have this 373 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.640 match to Holmes. Yes, he says he had an encounter with Maureen, 374 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.839 even though he's lying about the nature of that encounter. But just so you 375 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:18.119 know, Paul is not off of our radar whatsoever. That's pretty damning, 376 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.319 exactly like I've seen a lot of cases like this where the husband is a 377 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.720 suspect and then they do have a DNA match to someone else, and then 378 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.359 the husband is exonerated. But this is a rare case where that has not 379 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.319 happened, where they think that maybe Holmes was the one who killed her, 380 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:36.799 But we haven't eliminated the possibility that Paul orchestrated the whole thing, and that 381 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:41.400 he might this might have been some sort of murder for hire. So on 382 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.480 the surface, this seemed like yet another one of those tragic spousal disappearances where 383 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.839 the only possible resolution could be the husband did it. I've seen far too 384 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.000 many stories like this where a husband will claim that he and his wife got 385 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.359 into an argument, she decided to storm off on him and then mysteriously vanish 386 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:02.759 without a trace. And this particular story seems even less believable than usual because 387 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:07.079 Marine's disappearance would have had to take place during a very narrow time frame. 388 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.720 The story goes that Marine left her house at aam, did not show up 389 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.440 for work as planned at eight thirty, and her coworker's phone Paul to mention 390 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.799 this at around eight fifty or so. So if Paul is telling the truth, 391 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.119 something had to happen to Marine between eight and eight thirty. But of 392 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:27.440 course, Paul instantly aroused suspicion by lying about his attempt to file a missing 393 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:33.119 person's report when all he did was ask police if any accidents had taken place 394 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.640 involving Marine's vehicle. What was most bizarre to be is that if Paul had 395 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.200 no involvement in Marine's disappearance, why would he even visit the police station to 396 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.640 begin with. I mean, I'm not saying there isn't a reason for him 397 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.839 to be concerned about Marine not showing up for work, But most people aren't 398 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.559 instantly going to run to the police because their spouse is twenty minutes late. 399 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.240 If he only wanted to acquire about accidents. That would be one thing, 400 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.319 But why make the false claim that he attempted to file a missing person's report. 401 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.200 It almost looks like Paul was just putting on a show to make himself 402 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:08.079 look like a concerned husband. I mean, there are just so many red 403 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:14.039 legs to suggest he was responsible. Maureen openly expressing fear about her husband, 404 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.119 Paul trying hard to push forward the theory that marine ran away voluntarily, Paul 405 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:23.000 sharing an inconsistent, constantly changing story about the last time he saw and there's 406 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.359 also the fact that he tried to get his wife's name off their property and 407 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.799 have her declared dead as soon as possible, and all the interviews I've seen 408 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.839 with Paul, he comes off as an unlikable jerk, and law enforcement has 409 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:38.680 always considered him to be the prime suspect from day one, as they've openly 410 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.319 said that they would charge him with a crime and a heartbeat if stronger evidence 411 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:48.200 against him surface. Very easy to see where police are coming from. Like 412 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.119 we said earlier in the episode, I mean, you're right, Robin, 413 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.880 it's twenty minutes late, and the first reaction is like, what, my 414 00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.880 wife's not at work. She's twenty minutes late. I'm off to file a 415 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:00.880 missing person's report. I knew this was going to happen. I knew she 416 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:06.359 was gonna go kill herself. I would have thought broken down. I would 417 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.279 have thought lost track of time. I would have thought met up with a 418 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:14.480 friend, or is doing something else, And then I would have started to 419 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.079 get really worried. I might have made some phone calls immediately, but I 420 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:25.200 wouldn't lie in Concock's stories to draw attention to her. I also wouldn't be 421 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:30.880 trying to put on a show for people, which it feels so disingenuine. 422 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:36.160 His actions right then, and how quickly he tells everybody the awful things Maureen 423 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:40.119 has done and how she's really the one that fault for all these things in 424 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.519 their marriage, it's, oh, it's just it's just bad. It's a 425 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.599 bad look on him. And when you have the DNA link to a man 426 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.559 who says he knew Paul, it makes him even more suspicious. Paul is 427 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.880 just like the most performative person. It's like he's looked up how you should 428 00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.880 act, what type of script you should write. The things that he says 429 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.480 that Maureen had said, like I might as well and do it now. 430 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.160 After she'd been quote like denied sex from him and then coming up with the 431 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.920 gambling stuff. It's like, you've got nothing to substantiate this. And we 432 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:17.880 know that from her friends and family that she had a troubled marriage that she 433 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.000 wanted out of. So I really don't think that she's going to be barking 434 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.640 up your tree for sex and then so distraught about it that she wants to 435 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.720 then just go and end her life. I think she just wanted to get 436 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.240 away from him, and he feels like he's just he's like written this like 437 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:38.759 Telenavella about how a husband should act in the wake of his wife's disappearance, 438 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:44.440 and he's just hitting the gas a little bit hard with this twenty minute timeline 439 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.640 and then straight to the police. I also think you have to pay attention 440 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.000 to what she's saying throughout all of this. You have her showing up to 441 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.480 work on Valentine's Day and people can tell she's really agitated. People can tell 442 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.440 that she's anxious and kind of on edge, and when they are you going 443 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.000 to have a good Valentine's Day? She says no, And when they are 444 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.400 listening to her she says something to the extent of something bad is going to 445 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.240 happen, and she's gone so far as to tell her family, if something 446 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:14.200 happens to me, it's Paul. If I go and I disappear, it's 447 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:21.519 Paul. So that is wild. Like every couple fusses. I know that 448 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.000 when you're contemplating divorce and things like that, you still share information. But 449 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:29.359 to say I'm scared and I think if something were to happen to me, 450 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.559 you need a point to him that goes beyond a typical divorce of a husband 451 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:38.400 and wife that is class A domestic violence fear and proof that I've seen him 452 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:44.319 act in certain ways before that scare me to where I don't think him escalating. 453 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.599 It would be that big of a stretch. However, when the DNA 454 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.599 evidence from Marine's panteos matched up to this sex offender, Keith Wayne Holmes, 455 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:58.680 it's through the entire case for a loop. Now. Just because the DNA 456 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.599 was linked to another SUSPEC effect does not mean investigators believe Paul is innocent. 457 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:08.000 But this definitely opens up a lot of questions about Keith Wayne Holmes's role here. 458 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:14.000 It's entirely possible that Paul hired Holmes to murder his wife, or that 459 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.640 they both committed the crime together. The problem is that there's just no evidence 460 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.359 to connect the two of them, except some vague statements Homes made about them 461 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.839 knowing each other while he was a dementia patient in hospice care, which can 462 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.960 hardly be considered reliable. Since it was established that Holmes was camping in Perump 463 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:37.440 around the time period Marine went missing, it seems very likely he was involved. 464 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:43.039 The fact that his DNA was found on a pair of knotted pantehose suggests 465 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.039 that he might have used it to time Marine's hands together, but the question 466 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:51.759 is did he act alone. Well, if Paul's account of what happened is 467 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.880 true and he last saw Marine leaving their home to go to work, then 468 00:33:54.920 --> 00:34:00.759 that means Marine would have had to have cross paths with Homes some time between 469 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.759 eight and eight thirty am during her drive to the bank. But how would 470 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.599 this have happened? I guess it's possible that if Holmes attempted to flag down 471 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.320 a ride that morning, he could have tricked Marine into pulling over and then 472 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.119 forced her to drive out to the area. Once he entered her vehicle, 473 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:21.719 or he forcibly entered Marine's car after she pulled over to park at the bank. 474 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.800 He then forces Marine to drive out to a remote area in the Mohave 475 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.760 Desert before he sexually assaults and murders her before disposing of her body. Now 476 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:36.119 we know Holmes was a sex offender who apparently had a habit of picking up 477 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.480 sex workers, beating them, and then abandoning them by the road. So 478 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:43.880 this could have been a case of things escalating to the point where he wound 479 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.840 up killing Marine. But there's a big problem with the scenario, namely the 480 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.199 fact that Marine's Handai was abandoned in the middle of nowhere. It was parked 481 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.480 nearly one hundred and twenty feet from the highway, in the middle of a 482 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.920 barren desert, at least twenty miles outside of Parum. So if Holmes forced 483 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:07.000 Marine to drive there and abandon her vehicle, how did he leave the area? 484 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.519 I also want to know if we go back a little bit and we 485 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.119 look at this timeframe that Paul's talking about. He says that they had this 486 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:17.719 normal Valentine's night, very typical Valentines. He goes out with friends to have 487 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:22.920 dinner. He brings his wife dinner home, and he has an easy evening 488 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:29.239 watching television before she leaves the next morning for work as usual. I don't 489 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.559 think that ever happened. I think either he had arranged for her to be 490 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.159 killed that evening while he was out of dinner with friends, or they got 491 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.639 into a fuss and something happened later that evening. But I feel like it 492 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.079 had to have been planned. If you allowed and you connected homes to marine, 493 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.000 I feel like he had to have some kind of knowledge because those two 494 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.320 things, killing her or starting to get into a fuss, you wouldn't have 495 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.559 really included homes in that. But if you had said, I'm going to 496 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.079 let him kidnap her and take her when she gets home from work tonight, 497 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:07.000 or maybe he even drove her out somewhere and left the car and Holmes met 498 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.559 them there and he just said, do what you want. That seems way 499 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.320 more probable than an eight to eight thirty am attack on her. Oh yeah, 500 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:20.679 exactly, because there are no other independent eyewitnesses besides Paul who could confirm 501 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.639 having seen her since she left the bank the previous day at around four thirty 502 00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:28.760 and five pm, So this easily could have happened. During this timeframe of 503 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.360 about fifteen hours, and that there's no one else who can confirm that she 504 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:36.119 left at eight am the following morning to drive to the bank. And like 505 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.639 we were talking about, if this was a planned murder for higher plots, 506 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.079 he could have arranged things so that Holmes would kill his wife and dispose of 507 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.079 her body while he was out having dinner with a friend, establishing an alibi 508 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.920 for himself. I think Paul is about as reliable as Scott Peterson. Yeah, 509 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.599 exactly. Now we know that Holmes owned a Ford camper, but it's 510 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.840 not like he could have driven two vehicles out into the desert at the same 511 00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.199 time. Sure, I guess Holmes could have made it back to the highway 512 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:07.679 at hitchhiked, but this location was in close proximity to Death Valley, which 513 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.519 is one of the highest places on Earth during the daytime. When you couple 514 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:14.679 in the fact that Holmes would need to perform a lot of physical labor in 515 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.360 order to hide Marine's body, there's a huge risk that he's not going to 516 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:22.880 get out of the area alive if he doesn't have transportation. Not to mention 517 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.679 that the scene at Marine's vehicle looked staged in order to give off the impression 518 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.119 that she might have wandered off and completed suicide. In fact, the authorities 519 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:36.119 actually considered this possibility at first, until they discovered that Marine's empty pill bottle 520 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.840 had been wiped clean of fingerprints. Holmes does not strike me as a particularly 521 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:45.800 sophisticated criminal, and if this was just a random stranger abduction, I see 522 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.960 no reason for him to go to the trouble of staging the scene like that. 523 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.360 No, it seems likely that two people had to be involved, one 524 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.360 who could drive Marines hyun date to that remote spot in Inyo County, and 525 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.239 another who could provide transportation out of the area. So the most logical explanation 526 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:07.400 is that Paul and Holmes work to stage the scene together. Okay, so 527 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.679 I'm wondering when his phone is identified as being used, he's nowhere near this 528 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.639 area, Well, he's nowhere near his home, Like it's showed pinging off 529 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.519 a cell tower on the other side of prompt And I don't know if there 530 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.840 were any cell towers out there in the remote desert, so I don't know 531 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.719 if there were any towers to be pinged off it. But of course this 532 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.519 ping that on the other end of the town goes against Paul's story that it 533 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.840 was alone he was home all night, because otherwise his cell phone wouldn't have 534 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.679 pinged in that area. Yeah, something's going on. I almost wonder if 535 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.800 Holmes is the quote friend he went to dinner with. That is possible because 536 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.400 I haven't seen any information about this friend speaking to police or corroborating his alibi. 537 00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:51.880 So maybe it was with Holmes in this dinner was just a cover story. 538 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:57.280 However, I'd be really curious to know how Paul would have cross paths 539 00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.559 with homes in the first place. Given the Holmes was a frail old man 540 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.360 who was in his mid seventies at that point, he seems like an odd 541 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.199 person to enlist as an accomplice to murder. But then again, Perump is 542 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:14.760 an unincorporated town in the middle of nowhere, and Paul hadn't lived there that 543 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:19.960 long, so maybe he just had slim pickens to choose from. Since Holmes 544 00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.480 drove afored camper, Pole might have thought it would be an ideal vehicle to 545 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:29.440 transport a body. Even though Paul claimed that he spent the entire evening at 546 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.480 home on Valentine's Day, cell phone pings seemed to place him on the other 547 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.599 side of town. This strongly indicates that Paul is lying, though I wouldn't 548 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.880 say it's strong enough evidence to bring criminal charges against him. But if those 549 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.159 pings are accurate, then Paul could have been out there disposing of his wife's 550 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:52.199 body. If Holmes bound Marine's hands together with her pantyhose, this would explain 551 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.239 how his DNA got there. He could have used his camper to drive Marine 552 00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.239 out to the desert while Paul drove his wife's Hondai. Una is abandoned over 553 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:05.239 one hundred and twenty feet from the highway because Paul wants to ensure that no 554 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.159 one will find it until after Marine fails to show up for work on the 555 00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:14.000 morning of February fifteenth. Paul then stages the scene to make it look like 556 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.599 Marine wandered off, and then hitches a ride back to Perump in Holmes camper 557 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.400 before they go their separate ways. It's worth noting that investigators did find a 558 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.199 second set of vehicle tracks near the Hyundai, but since the scene was not 559 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.639 properly secured at first, no one is certain if the tracks were already there 560 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:37.320 when the Hyundai was originally found. That is awful because the reality is if 561 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.360 we could know, or if we had anyone who spotted vehicles in that area 562 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.599 at a given time, if they had preserved the scene and we were able 563 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:49.559 to link the two sets of tire tracks to one another, we wouldn't be 564 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.119 talking about the same case the way that we are. You would have had 565 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:58.920 a link, possibly to one of Paul's vehicles and been able to place him 566 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:04.119 at the scene with home. It is tragic that Holmes had dementia at the 567 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:08.559 time, and therefore even his saying I knew Paul is called into question right 568 00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:13.199 and the extent to get details is to how you knew Paul? Those were 569 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.719 never provided before his death. So it's one of those things where it's like, 570 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.639 did Paul get away with murder and staging a way to get rid of 571 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.440 his wife? Where then he benefits because they declare her dead and he's able 572 00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.559 to be the head of her estate and get all of her belongings and money 573 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.639 because of this man's illness and death. I mean, is that really what 574 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:37.079 it came down to is that because Holmes passes away and has this decline in 575 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:44.480 mental stability, that we've lost our chance to figure out what happened. That's 576 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.800 certainly possible, and maybe that was Paul's plan all along. He's figuring, 577 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.159 well, I mean, en list this guy to help me commit a murder, 578 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.760 but he looks old, so he's not going to be around for too 579 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.039 long and that lessens the chance of him ever speaking with the police and giving 580 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.960 me up and implicating me in this crime. O of detail we haven't even 581 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.480 talked about is when Holmes was arrested for trying to lure that twelve year old 582 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.239 girl into his vehicle in twenty eleven, they found a newspaper clipping about Marine's 583 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:13.760 disappearance inside his camper, and at that point they didn't really see any significance 584 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.000 for it. But then you're wondering, why is he having this random newspaper 585 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:22.239 clipping about a crime that took place in another state five years earlier, involving 586 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.800 a woman he shouldn't have even known. So that was the instant red flag 587 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:30.400 there that he did have some sort of connection to this case. Now we 588 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.440 know police performed in extensive search of the area where the Hyundai was abandoned and 589 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.119 found no trace of Marine's body, But I have to wonder if she might 590 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.800 not have even been buried at that location. Remember, the route from perumpt 591 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.920 to Inyo County is nothing but desert, so theoretically Paul could have stopped somewhere 592 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:52.079 else to bury her body and abandon her vehicle at a different spot in order 593 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.480 to throw everybody off the track. I'm not sure if any of Paul's DNA 594 00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.800 was found at the scene, but the problem is that the Hyundai belonged to 595 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:02.800 his wife and he would have been inside the vehicle on multiple occasions, so 596 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.760 even if his DNA is there, that's hardly incriminating. So it's difficult to 597 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.920 pin anything on Paul. But when you break everything down, the most logical 598 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:16.239 explanation is that he and Holmes committed this crime together, and the discovery of 599 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:21.679 holmes DNA at the scene does not exonerate Paul in any way. If this 600 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:25.079 is what actually happened, then Paul got really lucky that the DNA match did 601 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.559 not occur until after Holmes was suffering from dementia, so any incriminating statements he 602 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.519 may have made about Paul are not admissible as evidence. So while it might 603 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.440 seem unusual that Paul enlisted the help of an elderly man in order to murder 604 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:44.360 his wife. The strategy technically did pay off, since Holmes passed away before 605 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:49.239 he ever had a chance to testify against him. Sadly, until Marine's body 606 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.480 can be found or other evidence surfaces against Paul, it would be difficult to 607 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.840 charge him with anything. At the moment, there is no evidence that Paul 608 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.400 and Holmes knew each other, so the press and stuff another suspect's DNA would 609 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.159 be more than enough to generate reasonable doubt if Paul ever went to trial. 610 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.400 So if you happen to have any information on the unsolved disappearance of Marine Fields, 611 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:16.239 please contact the Nye County Sheriff's Office at seven seven five seven five one 612 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:22.159 seven zero zero zero at seven seven five seven five one seven zero zero zero, 613 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.559 Jules Ashley any final thoughts on the case. This is one of those 614 00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:34.320 that goes to meet at the heart of domestic violence and where you hear Marine 615 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.519 telling friends and family it's bad, like it's gotten really bad. I have 616 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:43.159 to get away from him if I disappear. Please it's him. It's Paul, 617 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.239 and she's even at work. Like usually a victim of domestic violence, 618 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:52.880 they're really protecting their abuser, especially out at work or with acquaintances around town. 619 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.079 You're like, oh, it's wonderful. Oh yes, I can't wait 620 00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:00.000 to get home for Valentine's Day. Here she's at her wits end. You 621 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.320 can tell where she's saying it's bad, like something might have happened the evening 622 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.639 before, he might have made threats that morning, and she's saying something bad 623 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:12.519 is going to happen. No, I'm not excited that it's Valentine's Day. 624 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.880 This is to not her friends, this is to colleagues. So you know 625 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:20.280 that it's gotten pretty intense. And then Maureene never shows up the next day. 626 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:25.239 I am so sad because she wasn't ever recovered. Her body was never 627 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.960 found. It's very clear something bad happened to marine. She had a family 628 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.039 that was supportive of her, She had that dog that she loved. She 629 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.719 did not leave voluntarily. She was being responsible, trying to pay bills off, 630 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.239 so there was no reason for her to end her life while she's also 631 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:47.440 trying to manage and be responsible. It's just pitiful because her family never got 632 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:52.960 to even give her a burial where they could have some kind of physical ability 633 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.360 to say goodbye to her. It's just questions, and it's rage about someone 634 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.119 that was supposed to love and protect her could be involved in that. That's 635 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:06.280 the ultimate betrayal of this feeling of human safety. So so so so sad. 636 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:12.360 I would be elated if someone had information who knows maybe Paul says the 637 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:16.360 wrong thing to the wrong person and there is a change in that relationship or 638 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:22.679 dynamic and that person has the courage to come forward and say something. Just 639 00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:27.159 a question before I give my final thoughts, Robin, So, Paul and 640 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:31.079 Marine lived in a mobile home? Correct? Yes? Yeah? So did 641 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:35.800 they live in a mobile home park? I'm not entirely sure. I mean, 642 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.280 I know we talked about homes living at a campground in a camper, 643 00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:45.679 So I don't know if homes ever frequented like a park nearby where Paul and 644 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.119 Marine lived, But that is a possibility for how they could have crossed paths, 645 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.880 because I was just thinking if it was a mobile home park or something 646 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:58.440 to that effect, they might have mixed in somewhat similar circles. Because although 647 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:04.679 Marine was quite far off in age from homes, Paul was closer in age 648 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.679 like what like maybe like ten years apart, fifteen years apart, something like 649 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.880 that. Yeah, Paul was fifty six, so he would have been closed 650 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.239 her eyes. Yeah, yeah, So it's possible that they might have known 651 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.920 or had, you know, similar friends in common or people in common where 652 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.079 he might have been griping about Marine and somebody might have been like, well, 653 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:28.079 you know, I know this guy who's a sex offender and or whatever. 654 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.960 I don't know the type of people that he mixed with. Just based 655 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:35.760 on Paul's behavior, he sounds like a pretty abhorrent person, and it sounds 656 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:39.400 like Marine was really stuck in a situation where it was pretty clear domestic violence. 657 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:45.000 It meets the criteria even if he didn't physically put his hands on her. 658 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.639 But I don't think that we can count that out either. Even though 659 00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:51.360 she said that it hadn't crossed the line, a lot of women say that 660 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.639 it has to cross the line when it very clearly has. We don't know 661 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:58.639 exactly what Mariene was dealing with, only that she was really scared and that 662 00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:01.400 she said, if I go missing, Paul did it, and that to 663 00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:06.519 me is everything. I think we should trust her words, and we should 664 00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:08.719 trust that when a victim says something like that, that they are actually in 665 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:14.320 danger and it is such a travesty that this poor family doesn't have a grave 666 00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.280 to go to, they don't have a body that they they don't get a 667 00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:21.599 resolution in this case. I don't know how the two of them met, 668 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.960 but I think that in my mind, it seems to be the most logical 669 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.880 explanation that they collaborated together, because I don't think anybody walked twenty miles in 670 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.519 the desert like back to Perump. It just doesn't seem likely, and it 671 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:37.480 seems also dangerous. So it feels like two people had to be there, 672 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:43.280 and these two are the best suspects. So I just my heart breaks for 673 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.039 the family, and I really hope that if anybody knows anything, that they 674 00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:51.480 would come forward with information at this point in time, Yes, I remember 675 00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:53.079 when I researched this one on the Trail Went coldy years ago, and I 676 00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:58.199 was looking through the earliest media coverage from like two thousand and six to twenty 677 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.719 twelve. Then this just seemed like an afe case of the husband. Did 678 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:05.920 it that we have a woman trapped in a very unhappy marriage, filled with 679 00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:09.320 abuse, and a husband acting very suspiciously, And you just had this feeling 680 00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.000 that the only reason the authorities haven't arrested him yet is because they don't have 681 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.559 a body or any incriminating physical evidence. And of course I remember reading the 682 00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.880 media coverage in twenty twelve when the DNA matched Keith Wayne Holmes, and everyone's 683 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.400 thinking, WHOA were we wrong about this all along? Could the husband have 684 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.000 been innocent this whole time? Did she just cross paths with like a random 685 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.519 predator, a sex offender who decided to kill her? But when you look 686 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.800 at the facts of this case, that just doesn't seem likely. It doesn't 687 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.800 seem possible that Holmes could have done this on his own and then disposed of 688 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:46.000 Marine's body. And there's very, very unlikely that a complete stranger who didn't 689 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:50.719 even know Marine would go to the trouble of staging the scene and emptying out 690 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.119 her pill bottle and then wiping the fingerprints from the bottle to make it look 691 00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.840 like she wandered off and completed suicide. No, the only person who would 692 00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:00.519 do go to the trouble of doing something like that someone who knew her personally, 693 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:05.840 And the only suspect in that case is Paul, So it just seems 694 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.960 likely that he crossed passed with this sex offender and enlisted him to help him 695 00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:13.880 murder his wife and dispose of her body. And unfortunately, even though in 696 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.320 most circumstances, the DNA match could have led to this case being resolved, 697 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:21.880 that if Holmes was a free man at that point, he may have decided 698 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.800 to talk and get himself a good plea deal, But unfortunately for investigators, 699 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:29.159 he was already in prison. He was suffering from dementia, so he just 700 00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:32.280 could not provide a consistent story before he passed away. So Paul just got 701 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:36.960 incredibly lucky. And it is sad to think that he's still getting away with 702 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.199 it to this day. But I do know that if new evidence surfaced that 703 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.199 the authorities would probably rest Paul in charge him in a heartbeat. So, 704 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.239 like we said, if you have any information about what happened to Marine that 705 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:53.039 could be beneficial to the investigation, please come forward. So that about brings 706 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:57.519 an end to this month's bonus Patreon miniso. Thank you so much for your 707 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.440 support, and we'll return again next month for an other bonus minisodes. So 708 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.599 until then, everyone have yourself a great month.