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In a dropping twist. Representative Mike
Johnson of Louisiana is now the fifty sixth

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Speaker of the House, and he's
also an an extremist who's not shy about

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his views. A superhero of the
religious right, he often calls the Bible

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when strongly opposing a little bit Q
run. After weeks of GEOP in fighting,

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Johnson managed to unite the party with
charisma and a deeply court servative stance.

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He played a leading role in the
GOP's efforts to overtend the twenty twenty

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election, and he's not a fan
of the truth or even democracy. Now,

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Johnson's got a packed agenda, preventing
a government shutdown, tackling international crisis,

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and pushing his conservative agenda with the
Bible in his hand. A political

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circus with Johnson as the ring master. Surprisingly, this speaker is known as

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a nice guy in Washington. Let's
see if he can keep the House in

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order while sticking to his cowured principles. It's a political drama worth watching,

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and we're going to look into that. This article is from NBC News by

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Scott Wong, Alibally, Rebecca Kaplan, and Kyle Stewart on October twenty fifth,

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twenty twenty three, Kelly, do
you want to see well? In

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the article, Republican Representative Darren Lehood
says, excuse me. I think he

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was viewed as the least objectionable person
in the process, and he was in

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the right place at the right time, And I think that just says it

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all right there. They had already
had three failed candidates. They were becoming

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the laughing stocks of half the USA, and the handler half was wondering if

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they were actually worth the votes that
they gave to them and voted, and

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worth the votes they were going to
give to him again. And the fact

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that Johnson hasn't made any enemies in
the GOP also played into his hands.

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He hasn't come out as an extremist, even though he is like, he

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didn't. He's not Marjorie Taylor Green, he's not Lowen Bobert. So he

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hasn't, you know, gone out
and been challenging the powers that be within

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the GOP. And I'm pretty sure
that anyone who had a clear nomination or

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that was in that position was going
to get it, no matter who they

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were, whether it was Johnson or
some other guy. So no surprise that

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a guy like him got it.
It's a real surprise that he got it.

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I had no idea who he was
until it happened, and I'm usually

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pretty sharp on American politics, so
it kind of threw me for a loop.

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But there he go. So,
Aaron, what are your thoughts about

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it? Yeah, he may look
normal, but he is not normal.

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No, he is. He is
part of the MAGA crowd. He wants

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the government to burn. He wants
he does. He's not interested in governing.

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He's interested in in fighting an ideog
ideological war and in making this He's

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a Christian nationalist. He wants to
make this a Christian country, full stop.

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And you know, part of me, through the whole process of the

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GOP ousting the former speaker and then
trying to get a new speaker, Party

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was just laughing in glee at the
total dysfunction at this on display, because

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I don't think that's gonna just that's
kind of served them well in the in

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the upcoming election. Uh, magas
as A is the most vocal part of

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the GOP right now, and so
all the GOP politicians they kind of have

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to cater to MAGA. But you
put them, you put anybody that's MAGA

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against somebody who's not, and most
of the time they're going to win because

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most of the most of the country
they do not they do not subscribe to

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MAGA. Magas just a very very
vocal minority. And so I'm looking forward

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to the consequences to the GOP in
this next election, in this next election

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in twenty twenty four, because I
think they're just going to get slammed.

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And then you know, party is
also really sad and weeps that the GOP

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is so dysfunctional and it's so hamstrung
by people that aren't interested in governing anymore.

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They just they just want to fight
this ideological culture war and instead of

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governing and moving the country forward.
And personally, I think people people that

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don't want to govern them and are
somewhat traitorous to be honest, Why are

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you in the government, Why are
you have an elected office if you don't,

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if you're not interested in governing and
I'm moving the country forward. A

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lot of these people put God first. They put God first above the country,

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and absolutely I think those people are
traders because you can't be an elected

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official in government and putting your God
first. You have to put your country

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first. It's the whole point of
being an elected official is putting your country

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first, putting the people first,
and moving us forward and solving problems and

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making democracy stronger and better and moving
forward. Jimmy, Yeah, I totally

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agree, and I will depart I
think a little bit on this though,

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from this idea that you know,
maybe we were surprised that this guy got

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elected. So I can see that
because I didn't know who really who he

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was either. I remember the name, but I you know, never really

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associated him with anybody of any prominence. But that was probably what he had

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working in his favor. Right,
Like I Aaron alluded to, he probably

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didn't really pose much of a threat
to more of the hardline opponents of the

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MAGA crowd who are Republicans and kind
of have to stick with these people,

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and so it was easy to throw
their support against him. But I don't

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really find the article all that unique, because all we have is just another

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MAGA puppet who has risen to a
position of prominence inside the Republican Party.

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The first thing that he did,
which was really disheartening, was prey on

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the House floor after being elected speaker, and it just goes to show you

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that the wall between the government and
religion is thinning, and that's not going

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to lead to anything good at all
for anyone that Christianity opposes, so or

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anybody that opposes Christianity or religion or
religious endorsement by the government. You know,

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the most frustrating thing about this is
that he's really constantly described as this

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man of faith, and we hear
this a lot about Christians or people of

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faith. I should say, I
shouldn't limit it to christian you know,

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being characterizes these good people just because
they believe in some invisible deity that can't

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be proven. And being a person
of faith, especially as a member of

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government and a lawmaker at that,
should be alarming, not reassuring, and

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putting the Bible in government will result
in greater constitutional violations, the continued targeting

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minority groups, immigrants, the LGBTQ
community, women, although many millions of

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women still continue to support this cult. And so I just don't have a

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whole lot of optimism when it comes
to having to govern with the MAGA Party.

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I do hope that it does work
against them, because it has been

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incredibly chaotic. Johnson not being one
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I think again was a strength of
his, but also just goes to show

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that we're still dealing with more of
the same. But why do we not

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consider a person of faith as someone
who endorses horrific atrocities, bigotry, and

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fairy tales. Why are we considering
them these great people and not somebody who

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kind of, you know, adheres
to these weird beliefs. Because for centuries

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we've stood idly by while Christianity has
just kind of hijacked morality and this is

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what we end up. So it's
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What do you think? Yeah,
I agree with what you just said.

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It's important to mention that at the
same time, there is so much to

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say here because so much happened since
he was elected. But yeah, the

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firing of McCarthy was lovable. The
three weeks of in fighting were pathetic.

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The way the Orange man is was
trying to influence this election was just ridiculous.

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And yet nothing comes close to the
horror of seeing this guy become the

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Speaker of the House. Because one
could argue that we shouldn't be surprised or

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horrified. It's perfectly in line with
what's been happening since twenty sixteen and maybe

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even before, with the country slowly
descending into chresto fascist territory. And yet

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the more we learn about Johnson,
the more infuriating it gets. He claimed

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that if you want to know his
position on a topic, just open the

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Bible and you will have your answer. He claimed that homosexuality is an abomination

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that could destroy society. He claimed
that abortion should be banned so that all

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those unborn children could become part of
the well, become productive members of the

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slaves, not slave trade society,
that's what he wants to call it.

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And then his first two acts as
a speaker were first to condition aid to

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Israel to reduction of IRAS funding and
then condition Ukraine aid to funding the Orange

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Meness's wall that tells you everything you
need to know about the guy. First

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of all, reducing the IRS funding
means reducing the income it gets. So

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if you claim you want to be
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the money you send to Israel is
paid for, then the reason you should

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give it would be something that brings
money and that costs money. And that

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wall again in twenty twenty three,
seriously, what the hell I mean,

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it's it's unbelievable Eron to say,
Oh yeah, sure, I sure do.

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I always have something to say.
He honestly, he has a job.

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I don't envy him for We have
a looming government shutdown and the GOP

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that is in meetings right now and
have been for several days, and they

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can't come to any agreements. The
word is now that Johnson will probably have

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to propose another stopgap measure like they
did last month, so that Congress can

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keep the government open for a few
more weeks while they try to work something

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out. But I mean, they
passed the last stop stopgap measure on September

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thirtieth, and I understand they had
three weeks of chaos since then, but

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they haven't been able to come to
any agreements since then. I don't know

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what's going to happen in another thirty
days, so I don't know that another

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stopgap measure is going to solve anything
rather than just kick the can down the

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road. They've already said that they
fear being forced to back a rival funding

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measure from the Democratic led Senate,
which is why they want to pass another

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stop gap so they don't have to
accept the Democratic proposal. I don't see

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how Johnson is going to get out
of this. Honestly, it only takes

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according to the new rules, it
only takes one member from the speaker's party

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to call for a no confidence vote
and remove him. We just saw it

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happen. It could happen again if
he has to sit down and work with

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democap crats to keep the government open. And it might be something he doesn't

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like doing, but it might be
something it's necessary for him to do.

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And you're going to get those people
that like the Freedom Caucus who are not

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going to go along with it.
So, like I said, I don't

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eNB you the job he's got ahead
of him. I was wondering what everybody

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thought was his most problem attribute,
And do you really think he has control

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of House members at this point?
Aaron, what do you think? I

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think the most problematic attribute is that
he tried to overturn the results of the

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last election, an election widely considered
to be the most secure and accurate in

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the United States history. He fought
to have those results overturned. He fought

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to have the voice the voters overturned. That's not someone who's interested in democracy.

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That's not someone who's interested in the
rule of law. That's not someone

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who is taking their oath to defend
the constitution. Seriously, that's someone who,

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in my mind, is a trader
and they have no business being in

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government and should be kicked out.
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I agree. The term that I
put in my notes is accessory to treason

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that took place on January sixth.
Yeah, that could very well be the

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worst attribute about him. However,
I think what's really not going to serve

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him well is his well lack of
reputation. Right, He's just not outspoken

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enough. I think if he is
going to serve his idol, Donald Trump,

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that he needs to start getting angry
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fierce and kind of echo echo what
you know, his his idol is really

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all about. You know, he's
not going to fit in well. Granted,

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I think he's going to make a
Maga puppet for sure, but I

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do think that you're going to start
to see a little bit of an attitude

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change from him if he is going
to fit in city. Yeah. I'm

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thinking about what you just said,
and it's hard to say because as much

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as I agree with the sentiment that
he's pro Trumper. I think he is

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just out of self interest. I
think his his will to turn the US

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into a theocracy, he's stronger than
his allegiance to Trump. And so I

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don't know. The future will will
tell us if I'm right or wrong,

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but I think he will be kicked
out because he's not pro Trump enough,

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and the moment he has to choose
between Christopascism and trump Ism, he will

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choose the former. Well, allow
me, allow me to circle back.

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Then, Sorry, Kelly, if
you will no go for it, go

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for it. I would like to
ask Cindy, though, if he's if

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you think that he's in it for
self interest, do you think that he

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would be willing to for go his
goal to make the government of theocracy if

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Trump can promise him more power.
Because while I see where you're coming from,

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I see people get a little taste
of power and then they become very,

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very obsessed in obtaining in maintaining it. And so I almost wonder if

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we'll see a change from this man
so that he doesn't face the fate that

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you allude to, and that I
think he might allude to too, which

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is why I said, this guy's
going to change because his poorest attribute right

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now is at least speaking from you
know, playing Devil's advocate here and speaking

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from the side of the Maga,
the Maga cult, I would say that

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his worst attribute is that he's not
Maga enough. So I don't know what

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you think about that, but I
thought, if he's acting in self interest,

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this guy's probably pretty likely to want
to maintain power. I don't know.

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Yeah, Like I said, I
think he's his will to turn the

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US into a theocracy. He's stronger
than his will, his will to power,

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to be honest, that's how I
see him. I listened to his

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acceptance speech. I listened to many
things he said, and he's I would

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describe him as a pure ideologue,
and his ideology is the Bible, and

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so he will do everything he can
to impose that to everyone. So yeah,

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I don't know. I think that
time will tell. Yeah, Aaron,

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you have anything else you'd like to
add? Well, what I really

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him not too happy about in Congress
is that everybody seems to be and in

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our country and our culture, everything
seems to be party first over constitution first,

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over country first. And you know, it's I think it's okay to

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be party when you're out stomping and
looking for votes and trying to tell people

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who you are, and and parties
are a really good way of understanding what

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you know, just kind of at
a quick glance, what somebody believes and

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what they want to accomplish. But
once you get, once you enter those

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halls of Congress, we need to
stop putting party first. We need to

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put country first, and we need
to work together, and we need to

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compromise, and we need to collaborate, and we didn't make things better,

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and just the way our democracy is
structure right now is just not conducive to

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that. The two party system that
we have, it's just it's not conducive

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to cooperation and compromise. And so
what I really want to want to see

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is some fundamental changes to our country
and to our democracy. And I read

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some really great opinion pieces in the
New York Times back in twenty eighteen that

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advocated for a few changes, and
one of them was multi representational districts,

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so that when you divvy up who
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it's one district, one representative.
Well, think about what would be if

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instead of one district one representative.
There were like five representatives per one district,

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right, And when you do the
analysis, you see that you actually

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get a more representative group of representatives
in Congress where is today you get gerrymannered

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districts where you can kind of put
all the Democrats in one district and then

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have a bunch of Republicans and so
the Republicans have more control than they should

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and vice versa. Democrats can do
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district with multi mut multiple presentatives,
that goes away, right, And it

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encourages not only to that, but
it also encourages these representatives when they're out

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stumping and looking for votes, to
actually cooperate with each other because they know,

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oh, I may not be the
first choice, but I might be

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a second choice, or a third
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it encourages people to get together.
And as part of that, we also

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I think need to start adopting ranked
choice voting. One of the problems with

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our single vote, single candidate approach
is you can throw away your vote.

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Right. We have a lot of
you know, there's the Libertarian Party,

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there's the Green Party, there's a
whole bunch of other parties, but they

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never get votes. Why because a
vote for that party is a vote for

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your opponent party. Right. If
I'm a Democrat, but I really want

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to vote for the Green Party,
If I vote for the Green Party,

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I'm actually giving a vote to the
Republican Party, and so I have to

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vote Democrat to counteract the Republican Party
and vice versa. Right, that doesn't

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It goes both ways. But if
you have a ranked choice vote, you

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can actually put in your vote.
I prefer this Green Party candidate, but

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if they're not going to win,
give my vote to this next person.

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Or then then if they don't win, give my vote to this next person.

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So your vote all counts and you
always get to get the candidate that

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you want, and so people are
more likely. That would increase the number

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of parties that are being represented in
Congress and in our government. Yeah,

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I agree. We have two states
that are doing that now, Maine in

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Alaska. Yeah, and all the
GUP in Alaska's claiming it's losing the elections

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for him. I don't know that
that's true, but that's what they're claiming.

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Yeah, And a couple more things
I would also change is increase the

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size of the House of Representatives.
We're too small. We haven't increased the

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size of the House of Representatives since
we actually need to keep it at that

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at that size, yea, So
it needs to be it needs to get

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bigger and decrease the size of our
districts so there are more more people so

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the one one group can't take control. And then also we need publicly funded

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elections. We have to take the
private money out of elections. Seattle did

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this for their I believe city council
votes, where everybody basically gets a little

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coupon I can't remember about this,
for like five or ten or fifty dollars,

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and they can give that money to
which whichever candidates they want. And

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I think we didn't do that.
I think there needs to be public funded

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elections and everybody gets a certain amount
of money they can then donate to whatever

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candidates they want, and that's the
only money that's available. No, that's

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a good idea. That's a really
good idea. Something I just read today.

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Last week, we had talked about
a spyware program called Covenant Eyes,

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so that you could spy on somebody
to make to see what websites they were

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going to, and they would go
to a partner who was making sure you

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were being not sinful with your surfing. And it turns out that Johnson and

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his son do this with each other, so they're spying on each other to

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make sure they're not going to any
bad websites. And Johnson didn't come out

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and say his son didn't go to
any bad websites, but he didn't say

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what he had done, so I
thought that was interesting, although I'm not

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sure that he did, but I
think this has been a really good conversation.

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