1 00:00:14,759 --> 00:00:20,440 What is Kracklakin fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am Dana Value coming at you 2 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,920 with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous, mister Grant Hughes, 3 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:31,079 we have finally Western Conference twenty twenty two off season regrades for you, 4 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:37,479 where we're gonna try and hold ourselves accountable hashtag canceled and we're excited to do 5 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,799 them. Before we get started, I have not been reminding new listeners if 6 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:45,240 we're getting them to subscribe or to share these episodes, because I'm not gonna 7 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,240 put our guests through that. On the look aheads do that. Subscribe if 8 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,799 you haven't already, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your pods. 9 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:53,679 Share these episodes. Tell people about us. 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To Grant, 19 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:38,120 how the heck are you're doing. I'm doing really well international holiday maybe 20 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:42,599 for your household and forgetting national. I'm excited. I wanted to speak with 21 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,480 you as always too to be held accountable for previous offseason grades. And three 22 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,400 because as we were talking before we started recording, I'm really excited about some 23 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:56,400 of our garbage time segments coming up at the end of this. So I 24 00:01:56,439 --> 00:02:00,439 know there's some ridiculously high like a rate of attrition when people listen to podcasts 25 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:05,719 after you get past a certain point in time, stick around for the end, 26 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:09,560 hopefully, and we're excited about it, which usually means it's not gonna 27 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:14,439 be good, but even if it's bad, it'll be a learning experience, 28 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:16,800 and I think it's gonna be fun. So I'll that's a tease. That's 29 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,360 a tease for like probably an hour plus away. So hopefully it works. 30 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,000 That's real premium talent shit right there. That was a great tease where I 31 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,159 didn't even think about. And I don't know when I'm gonna I'm gonna put 32 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:31,400 out the West or the East first. We've recorded the East already, but 33 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:35,199 this might be the debut of Garbage Time, depending on what order Grant and 34 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:39,039 I put it out. So works, and also we've tried some stuff that 35 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,319 have faded from the podcast. This isn't going anywhere because we've been recording this 36 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,080 content for a while specifically just to throw it on YouTube and TikTok. But 37 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,879 people who might not be on YouTube or TikTok or aren't consuming the super short 38 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,000 stuff, we want you to be exposed to it. It's also a lot 39 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:55,759 easier for me to cut it up if it's on the same file to where 40 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,960 Grant I don't have to start separate stream yard rooms. So there's your people, 41 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:02,319 great tease. Stick around to the end. It'll be timestamp. But 42 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,680 listen to us talk about our Western Conference twenty twenty two offseason grades and do 43 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:13,400 we want to dig do we want to dig into them? Let us do 44 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:16,520 that. We will start with the Pacific Division and the first team on our 45 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:23,479 list is the Golden State Warriors. This was weird to look back through this 46 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,159 because it feels like a lot happened for this team over the last year. 47 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,360 So drafting Patrick Baldwin Jr. We're gonna just recap these. I guess we 48 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,080 should probably mini preamble in case this comes out before the East grades. We're 49 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,280 just looking back at the moves that happened in the twenty twenty two offseason. 50 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:42,319 Of consequence, we're not going to give you every single one. Hopefully, 51 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,439 we'll give you the ones that informed the grade we gave last year, and 52 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:47,800 we're going to adjust up or down or not at all, depending on how 53 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:55,599 much reality deviated. I guess from what we thought that offseason deserved. It 54 00:03:55,719 --> 00:04:00,960 is not an exact science. But with that said, Patrick Baltam Junior drafted 55 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:05,879 number twenty eight. What else? Ryan Ron's at number forty four signed Cavon 56 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,719 Looney to a three year, twenty two and a half million dollar extension. 57 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,240 That's I'm just gonna say now, that's an A plus. He liked the 58 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,199 same amount of guaranteed money that Javal McGee did. That of unbelievable wild Uh 59 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,639 signed Jamichael Green for the Vet Minimum, signed Donte de Vincenzo using most of 60 00:04:21,639 --> 00:04:26,879 their mini mL UH, signed mc mclumb to an Exhibit nine deal, and 61 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:31,680 Trevin Williams to Exhibit ten. Perhaps more important than anything else were the losses 62 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,160 Gary Payton the Second and Auto Porter Junior signed elsewhere. Damian Lee also left 63 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:42,040 wants Usconnell Anderson left, Andrey Guadala at the time we recorded this was unsigned. 64 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:45,360 He did come back, but played like none at all. So did 65 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:48,040 I miss anything there, Dan, Yeah, we missed because we recorded. 66 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:51,639 I think before this happened, there was the Andrew Wiggins extension, yes in 67 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,920 October, that was four years and one hundred and nine right. Yeah, 68 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:00,720 it includes a player option at the end, and then the Jordan wol extension, 69 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,439 which came after he was punched by Draymond Green. It can be up 70 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,040 to and it kicks in this season for the Wizards, worth up to four 71 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:12,759 years in one hundred and twenty eight million. Do you know what the exact 72 00:05:12,759 --> 00:05:15,839 guarantee was on that? I haven't, Oh here finally loaded. It's one 73 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:20,800 hundred and twenty three million guaranteed. Yeah, that's a lot. Those two 74 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:27,279 alone are I'm trying to think Now, how that would affect my grade either 75 00:05:27,319 --> 00:05:29,839 of those, I think, well, I guess we could just say we 76 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:34,759 both gave them a flat B. And I don't remember most of my logic 77 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,000 for it. I think probably it had to do with, you know, 78 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:43,399 you couldn't have paid Porter and Peyton were going to be replaced in the rotation 79 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,279 by Moses Moody and Jonathan Cominga, so no big deal there, And the 80 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:53,720 Looney deal was great, and I think I think if we'd done this honestly 81 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,240 after the Wiggins and Pool deals, I might have moved the grade up because 82 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,480 I think that Wiggins deal is so good and at the time the Pool deal 83 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,439 was like kind of iffy, but just the market rate for you know, 84 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,959 the Tyler heroes and the Anthony Simons and like that kind of level player. 85 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:14,959 But I guess before we get more macro, how would you, if at 86 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,920 all, have changed your opinion from that be based on with those two deals 87 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,279 specifically, like does that up or down for you? It probably would have 88 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,759 been neutral because I would have liked I liked the Wiggins extension. I didn't 89 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,800 like the Jordan Pool. I thought I just thought that was way too much 90 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,519 money and it was sort of I don't know if I'm suffering from We've seen 91 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,079 kind of this impact with Tyler hero RJ. Barrett. It's like these guys 92 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,319 sign their extensions and all of a sudden it feels like the consensus is lower 93 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:42,920 on them. So maybe I'm suffering from that. But he ended up having 94 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,240 a bad year, and I know it was a fake first rounder. He 95 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:49,199 ended up needing to like you immediately before it even kicked in, turned around 96 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:53,920 and got rid of him, which that obviously doesn't impact the grade at the 97 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,959 time, but that has to impact the calculus of your regrade, right, 98 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,199 I guess. So that's why this team is so hard, because like the 99 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,360 most significant offseason event was the punch and like, what are we how do 100 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:08,879 we grade that like that? Because I think pretty clearly that made it. 101 00:07:08,879 --> 00:07:11,920 Maybe this is you know, relying a little too much on hindsight, but 102 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:15,040 that made Jordan Pool worse. He just was a worse player. He was 103 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,199 less bought in, the team trusted him less, and then like that just 104 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:21,839 you know, Draymond has talked since about how like he didn't really have a 105 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:26,240 voice because he had to kind of be careful because of the breach of trust 106 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:30,600 that that punch, uh, you know, cracked wide open and it just 107 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,519 changed everything. So I don't know how to account for the most significant I 108 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,240 was now a warrior because of that punch. It's kind of like the galaxy 109 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:41,720 brain. If they don't blow that three to one lead, or Draymond doesn't 110 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,600 kick, doesn't do that growing kick in the finals, and Kevin Durant doesn't 111 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,079 come, there's the trickle that effect of you don't punch Jordan Pool. Is 112 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,079 Chris Paul in Washington? Did he get way? Like? Where is Chris 113 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,199 Paul right now? Right? I mean the counter to that is, if 114 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:58,160 you don't punch Jordan Pool or they do, they win a second title, 115 00:07:58,439 --> 00:08:01,519 like because you know, I mean, that seems a lot less likely than 116 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,040 the alternative, even though the Chris Paul being a warrior thing is like about 117 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,000 as unlikely as it gets. If you would if we were talking a year 118 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,839 ago and said Chris Paul will be on the team this time next year, 119 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:13,839 that would have been wild. Maybe the way to look at it as this, 120 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:20,920 if Wiggins and Pool are like a wash, is there any move that 121 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:26,319 they made that seems in hindsight like a significant mistake or a significant oh that 122 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:31,240 turned out way better than I expected. I will say I think the Cavan 123 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,559 Luoney deal looks even better now, just like what we know about the Cap 124 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,639 machinations. And I think the Dante Devin Chenzo deal, we always kind of 125 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,960 knew that was gonna work out well for them, but based how well he 126 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:45,840 played and specifically shot the ball in Gold State, that worked out incredibly well. 127 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:48,440 And look the Wiggins extension, I know he didn't wasn't the same player 128 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,840 at times, missed all that time, had the hip injury this year right 129 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:56,799 that he had well, and then the sort of more mysterious absence from the 130 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,480 team with his dad being sick. But I was trying to think of because 131 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,559 he came back like from it was it a hip injury first or but honestly, 132 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,480 I don't remember he I still that deal still looks great, And so 133 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,120 that's why this grade is so tough, because I really think the Jordan Pool 134 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,039 extension was a mistake, just like did you throw him an extra Like would 135 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:18,080 he have gotten one hundred and seven million or something if I Draymond didn't punch 136 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:20,679 him? And did you let that influence it too much? I think I'm 137 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,440 just gonna bump him down to a C. Maybe I'll give him a C 138 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,240 plus, just like Jamichael Green. I remember being high on that signing and 139 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:33,120 that didn't really end up mattering for that. I don't know the Cavan Luni 140 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,080 deal so good. I'm just gonna C plus just you had to. You 141 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,600 still had to get rid of Jordan Pool immediately, and it cost you theoretically 142 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:45,639 an asset to do so, I think too. We haven't mentioned him yet, 143 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:48,440 but if you want to talk about moves not made affecting the grade, 144 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,600 like maybe trading James Wiseman before the season would have netted something better than trading 145 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:56,200 him in season. Yeah, because it seemed it was clear from the jump 146 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:58,240 that like it at least this past year, that that's just not gonna work. 147 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,919 So I'll guess I'll go from a B to a B minus because I 148 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:05,960 do think the Looney deal, the Wiggins deal, the demon Chnzo deal, 149 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,000 those are all good, those like objectively good value moves, and I just 150 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,879 don't know how to account for the Pool thing. So I'll go down just 151 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,200 just a touch from the B, which will bring us to the LA Clippers, 152 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:24,159 who they signed to each Zubos to his three year thirty two point eight 153 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,759 million dollars extension. They signed Nick Patoum to a two year twenty two point 154 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:31,679 six million dollars deal. They signed to my guy, I'm here Coffee to 155 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,840 a three year, eleven million dollars deal. They signed John Wall to a 156 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:39,759 two year deal worth the full mini mL And that's really the only thing that 157 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,080 Those are the only notable moves that they made, unless I'm missing any aside 158 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,840 from they lost Isaiah Hartenstein. Ronnie Hood is no longer in the NBA. 159 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:50,639 Actually, so they lost him too. Did we miss any anything big happened 160 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,720 after August twenty second when we recorded those grants, not that I'm seeing, 161 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,159 Not that I'm seeing this. This was a team that had extremely limited resources, 162 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,840 and I think, as I'm thinking back now, that accounts for why 163 00:11:00,919 --> 00:11:03,000 we were both so high on their off season because they did what at the 164 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:07,320 time seemed like really well with basically no wiggle room at all. That z 165 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,080 that like bring the bell for you. Yeah, because I gave them an 166 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,039 A minus and you gave them an A. So we were pretty we were 167 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:20,360 pretty bullish on their off season. I think my what I think the only 168 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,600 move where my impression has changed a great deal changed a great deal. It's 169 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,320 just the john Wall contract. But I here's my thing. You eventually undid 170 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,080 it. And who else were you actually gonna get with the miniml last year 171 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,240 when you look at who signed for that, Like was Dante DiVincenzo gonna go 172 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,919 to the Clippers? And is that who they needed? I think you could 173 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:45,360 definitely penalize them because well, did bringing in John Wall? Did that contribute 174 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:48,960 to burying Terrence Man in the pecking order a little bit? Or was Tyler 175 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,919 always going to do that? But that that was really the only miss because 176 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,960 they could not have paid Hartenstein what he got from the Knicks. I do 177 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:01,080 believe. Didn't Hartenstein say that there was a like a real offer from the 178 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,240 Clippers though, so if you want to ding them that, they didn't even 179 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,679 say, well, we'll give you our mini MLI if you want to come 180 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,960 back. But he also got the mini Emile was what five what was it? 181 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,279 It was two years and eleven million for john Wall? So like he 182 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,240 got noticeably more. It was two years in thirteen point three. Excuse me, 183 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,279 Hartnerstein got a good deal more than that, Like it was more from 184 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:24,039 the Knicks. So I don't know how much to penalize them for that. 185 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,200 If I gave them an A minus, I can't imagine I might drop it 186 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,840 down to like a bee and I guess a mere coffee didn't really do well. 187 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:33,240 I'm gonna still say a B B plus. I have to have to 188 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:39,080 evaciate between those. Yeah. For me, I'm pretty sure that I viewed 189 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,759 the John Wall signing as like, oh, what a just a coup, 190 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:46,559 Like I can't believe they you know, he's the perfect fit for them if 191 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,120 if big enormous, if which now we know which side of that, if 192 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,240 things have fallen on he's not totally washed and he was in fact washed, 193 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,080 like he just didn't he wasn't John Wall anymore, and so he really would 194 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,720 just was not helped at all to the Clippers last year. So I think 195 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:07,360 because I based so much of my high grade on that, because like the 196 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,120 Zoobots deal, actually the Zoobots deals a pretty darn good value for like a 197 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:13,519 you know, mid mid tier maybe a little better than that starting center. 198 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,720 I'm gonna go down from A. I gotta go down quite a bit from 199 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,240 a flat A. I'll go down to just I'll go full letter grade down 200 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:24,759 to A B. I mean, it looks really bad because you were just 201 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:26,919 talking about zoo bots. I'm like, maybe I'll stick with the B plus, 202 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:31,799 but I'll go B as well. Yeah, not a lot happening there. 203 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,639 So we're ready to go to the Lakers now because this is there's more 204 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,960 going on here. I don't know if Lakers fans are ready for this, 205 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,519 but yeah, all right, so you're definitely gonna have to fact check and 206 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,279 make sure we didn't miss anything because this is a long list of stuff. 207 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,840 So Russell Westbrook picked up his forty seven point one million dollar player option. 208 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:52,879 You might know that he did not end the team and the year on this 209 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:56,480 team, so that tells you how that went. Danley Johnson also picked up 210 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:01,879 his option. Kendrick Nunn picked up his option. They guarantee winning Gabriel's deal. 211 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,159 Lebron got a two year ninety seven point one million dollars extension with the 212 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:09,399 player option for twenty four twenty five. Lonnie Walker one year deal at the 213 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:13,279 Mini mL E, Troy Brown got a VET minimum, Damien Jones two years 214 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,679 four point nine, h JTA one year VET minimum, Thomas Bryant got a 215 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:22,080 minimum. Max Christie was the number thirty five pick Uh, Cole Swider got 216 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,799 a two way, Scottie Pippen Junior got a two way. Forgot about that. 217 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:28,759 Let's see lost Malik Monk to the Kings. Also camp baysmore gone. 218 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,799 Listen to these names that were unsigned at the time we did this, White 219 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:39,840 Howard, Carmelo, Anthony, like no recollection of j Augustine. This is 220 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:45,080 like the two thousand This is the two thousand and nine, like helping coming 221 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:48,120 all Star. Let's right here. Listen to this. So Augustine, Trevor, 222 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,879 Reza, Wayne Ellington, Avery Bradley, we're all unsigned. What a 223 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,799 list? What names we had there? And now I don't remember what I 224 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:01,720 gave them? Oh we were not kind to them. You were us. 225 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,840 I was a D minus last year. You know. It was so much. 226 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:07,679 But the only so the only like big stuff that I think, the 227 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,799 only big thing that we missed or two they signed Rob lay Good to a 228 00:15:11,799 --> 00:15:18,039 three year contract extension and then they also they did got Dennis Schroeder at the 229 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:22,440 minimum in September. Those were the only big things that we missed before the 230 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:28,240 season, I believe. So I'm just laughing because the way we have it 231 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,120 set up on screen, I didn't see like it said, remains unsigned and 232 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,200 then it was cut off for me, and so as you're introing it, 233 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,360 I was going down and I'm just laughing because of it was just perfect timing. 234 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:43,879 That's an amazing list of names. That team is the guys by the 235 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:48,440 way, last year season, right, what's that none of those guys ended 236 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:52,679 up on teams last season? Right? No? I don't think so. 237 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,960 I don't know they're No, they didn't. But what a good that team 238 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:03,080 would be a playoff team easy in I mean maybe a twenty twelve, Yeah, 239 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:06,879 that'd be that'd be great team. So yeah, as you mentioned, 240 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:08,639 we were, I don't know that my impression changed. I think you don't. 241 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:12,600 Let's let's frame it this way. Do any of these moves and they 242 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:15,360 could not have kept a week munk for the money he got from the that's 243 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,960 the danger of Like, could they have gotten a team option on like his 244 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 deal? Probably not when they negotiated the previous off season. We can't dig 245 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:27,240 him for that anyway. Do any of these moves in hindsight look a lot 246 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:30,960 better? The one that stands out is like, I guess I'm more comfortable 247 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,480 with the Rob Polinka extension. I remember being I don't want to say I 248 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:37,399 rate because I'm not that emotionally invested in Lakers, but I was just like, 249 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,759 what has he proven to you to warrant this? He's just the every 250 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:47,919 other Well this is oversimplifying things, but he's just he's He's responsible for some 251 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,559 of the worst offseasons I can remember, and then also just some rabbit out 252 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:55,240 of the hat stuff, like the way that they remade this roster, you 253 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:59,879 know, midstream this past season. So like I think just if you're looking 254 00:16:59,879 --> 00:17:03,480 at the off season moves here, you couldn't do anything about the Westbrook picking 255 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:07,279 up his player option, Like you're just stuck with that. The mistake there 256 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,160 is having him in the first place. And we've talked about that trade, 257 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:12,839 you know, from a couple of years ago. To no end, I 258 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,680 think some of the stuff looks good, like the Lonnie Walker won him a 259 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:22,079 playoff game, and that's that's worth the minimum he so like nothing else was 260 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:27,799 really awful. I just think it's hard for me to sort of not factor 261 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:33,279 in how much better this team got during the year through the trades they made, 262 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,200 and just look at this offseason and isolation, what I guess I'm saying 263 00:17:37,279 --> 00:17:41,400 ultimately is like, I don't see a huge number of reasons to change the 264 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,519 grade. It probably has to come up, though. If it does, 265 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:48,920 anything like the Lebron extension is fine, although I still get a laugh. 266 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Like remember the reporting of the MAVs were trying to trade for Lebron. I 267 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:55,160 was just like, he can't even leave. What are we doing here? 268 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,200 Nothing to do with the grade, but fun aside or not so fun aside, 269 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,240 whatever however you can say. I will say another move that I think 270 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:06,240 looks better, and it's I'm not super in tune with this guy, but 271 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:08,480 because I did the Lakers Look at It podcast recently, I did a little 272 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,880 bit more of a dive into him. I really like Max Christy's shot and 273 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:15,480 his size. In my head, I was like, well, they can't 274 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,119 really get away with playing him at the three defensively, but he would be 275 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:22,039 potentially just what they need. I talked with Jabari Davis, this might be 276 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:26,240 coming out before that. Apparently he grew like two inches and so like, 277 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,599 if he can now play the three defensively and you have that shot, like 278 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,119 just getting him on that cost controlled contract for two years ends up being big. 279 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,200 What I can't reconcile is and I know they were better after their two 280 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,920 intense start, but their season did not like functionally turn around. They didn't 281 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,160 have like that guiding principle to me until the Russell Westbrook trade. That was 282 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,200 something that very obviously needed to be done. I'm not going to penalize that 283 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:55,519 more for not getting it done. And this isn't by the way, It's 284 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:59,039 not on Russ. It was like he was part of the problem if he 285 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,720 wasn't willing to sacrifice. He did come off the bench last year. But 286 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:04,319 like the this is on the Lakers in the front office more than anyone. 287 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,759 What about the way Russell Westbrook operated was a surprise at any point, Like 288 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,119 you know what Russell Westbrook is when you trade for him. Honestly, I 289 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,200 felt bad for him by the end of it. Unless he was really being 290 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,640 a malcontent behind the scenes that we don't know about. We haven't really but 291 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,599 so that's why I'm reluctant to bring it up anymore. So we gave them 292 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,519 what was I at, so we were both in the US. I'm a 293 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:27,240 D minus, I'm gonna come up to it. I'm gonna come up to 294 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:32,119 a D plus. That's how I'm just knee jerk reaction. I'm gonna have 295 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,880 to come up then to be consistent. I'm gonna give them a C minus 296 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,079 like I don't. And that's just like and like the Max Christie one isn't 297 00:19:38,079 --> 00:19:41,079 definitive. I'm just more intrigued with him. The Lonnie Walkers shigning worked out. 298 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:45,160 We went through the whole spiel of like Thomas Bryant and Anthony Davis hating 299 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,880 to play center, and then Thomas Bryan ends up requesting a trade. Are 300 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,160 we seeing the same song again with Christian Wood a little bit this year? 301 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,920 I think Christian Wood's a better flyer. But yeah, so I'll see minus 302 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,599 and that might even be just like I feel like I probably could have stuck 303 00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:02,000 with it. The Pulinka extension. That's not fair. That looks a lot 304 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:04,839 better. Basically every move, not every move, but his body of works. 305 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:08,319 Since the Russell Westbrook trade itself is not yet bad. Yeah, and 306 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,480 I guess that we're getting kind of far afield now. But like you might 307 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:18,359 excuse the original Russell Westbrook acquisition as like pressure from Lebron in a d and 308 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,000 you're beholding to your best players, certainly if one of them is Lebron like, 309 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:25,240 do can we like maybe take some of the blame off of Pulinka? 310 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,599 Is that fair? Because when it comes to if it's signing you know Tanasis, 311 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:33,279 attend the kompo to keep your superstar happy. It's one thing. The 312 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,000 job of a GM is to do what's best for the actual team, and 313 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,319 if you're consolidating into someone who needs to be a big party, rotation is 314 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,440 a terrible fit. That's why these lead executives exist, is that they're supposed 315 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,839 to be making basketball. Yeah, that's that's true. I mean, like 316 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:55,000 I've never I've never been more sure I was gonna be right than I was 317 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:57,799 about saying that trade is so bad for the Lakers. There was no there 318 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:02,640 was almost no one who's it was gonna be good, which is just that's 319 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:06,400 very rare where there's like a universal consensus on how bad a trade is. 320 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,839 It's one that you seems so obviously bad at the time that I don't know 321 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,720 if you operate this way. But then I start to question myself, like 322 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:18,559 this is there must be some like the people making these decisions are are smart 323 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,720 and like, no, no things that I don't there must be something and 324 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:23,440 there's never was nothing. It was just exactly what it seemed like at the 325 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:30,160 time. All right, we've improved the Lakers grade Phoenix Suns h this is 326 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,640 uh me right, or you want to go through them, you're freedom I 327 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,920 did, Oh yeah, go ahead, you do it. So the Suns 328 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,319 signed matched I should say, DeAndre Ayton's four year, one hundred and thirty 329 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,960 three billion dollars offer sheet from Indiana. They signed Devin Booker to a four 330 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,759 year, two hundred and twenty four point two million dollar extenture. It had 331 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:49,400 as a trade kicker, but has no player option, so he's just under 332 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,400 lock and key through his age thirty season. They signed They signed Monty Williams 333 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:59,200 to a multi year contract extension. They signed Damian Lee, Josha Kogie. 334 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,759 They resigned Isshwayne Right to a two way deal between Washington. Junior was on 335 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,119 a two way deal. They got Jacque Landale, who ended up playing a 336 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,920 pretty big role for them for cash. They've lost your Vaal McGee, Frank 337 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,799 Kamiskey, Aaron Holliday, and this is a big one grant. So just 338 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,359 let me know how much you want to ratchet They're grade down. They never 339 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:21,039 brought back Alfred Payton either unacceptable we gave them. I gave them, Ah, 340 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,480 I gave them a B plus. You gave them a B minus. 341 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,480 What are your have any of your thoughts changed about their off season coming out 342 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,960 of that? When was the sale? When did when did Sarver sell? 343 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,880 Was that during the year? Yeah? That was during the season? Okay, 344 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,720 because that I mean that would have been a pretty big plus double check. 345 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:40,920 But I'm pretty sure yeah, that was burying this season. So I 346 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,599 don't as as you were going through this pretty much everything is defensible. Oh 347 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:51,720 shit, I was wrong September twenty first, what is time? So well? 348 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:55,279 But so that wasn't accounted for when we go we recorded these on August 349 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:57,759 twenty second of last year, and it would be like our listeners, I 350 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:02,079 hope you appreciate our thorough documentation, right, I have the date of what 351 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,559 is but that does count towards the offseason, right, So I mean, 352 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,880 but like, how do you grade? Like who are you grading there? 353 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,000 Like it's good for the organization, but like we that's Robert Carver for getting 354 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:18,599 richer after being a fuck shit for his entire life. Well, I just 355 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:21,799 I mean, it's like it was good for the organization for several reasons, 356 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,759 not the least of which is MATTERSBIA just came in and like started throwing money 357 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,160 around, like you know, no owner has in a really long time. 358 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,319 But yeah, I guess I don't know what to what to do with that. 359 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:41,759 The aiden thing they matched immediately. It seems like the way that that 360 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:47,960 whole thing happened, which was almost, you know, like a caricature of 361 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,160 like, go get a deal. You know, let's see, let's let 362 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,559 the market dictate what you're worth and then we'll pay that. We're not going 363 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:56,720 to pay a penny more. You know, that seems like it wasn't handled 364 00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:00,160 great. But then now that we know, you know, Eton and Monty 365 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,279 Williams didn't see eye to eye, which we maybe I guess we knew then, 366 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,680 But I like, are you just not gonna match? I guess if 367 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,960 you if you think the Aten deal wasn't good or a bad decision, would 368 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,720 it have been worse to just let the Pacers sign him and just not match. 369 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:22,079 Yeah, I mean he's not I think the it's we're divorcing ourselves from 370 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,400 reality but not us. But if you think that letting him walk for nothing 371 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,880 or he that he sucks as a player, Like, that's too far afield 372 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,480 for me. I will say it feels like a that was a predictable, 373 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:40,119 implosive situation though, because it seemed to be common knowledge just how tense everything 374 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,279 was between Monty Williams and DeAndre and it's kind of just I mean, it's 375 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:47,599 not it's just hysterical that they both got like new contracts in the same summer, 376 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:51,839 And so could you have handled that any better? I think you definitely 377 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:55,240 could have handled it. Restricted for agency sucks for players. It's okay, 378 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:56,279 you want the Max, I go out and get it, So I kind 379 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,960 of I understand it from that, But like, if you knew this relationship 380 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,759 was that fragile, and you knew that Indie was trying to negotiate a trade 381 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:07,119 with you before they even gave him the Max offersheet, it felt like Phoenix 382 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,440 Can could have and should have been more proactive there and could they have addressed 383 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,319 this in any way. With that said, I don't know how much of 384 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,519 it I placed on Monty because there was clearly and the Timeline guys have talked 385 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:21,799 about the Timeline podcast guys who were great have talked about this. There's a 386 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:25,519 massive disconnect at points between DeAndre and the rest of the team. Right, 387 00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:27,680 it's like, how much are you laying at the feet of Monty Williams and 388 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,640 the fact that you done had to move on from Monty Williams and there's still 389 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,079 all these kind of just I don't want to say deandret and rumors. They're 390 00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:38,279 more like theories and you one of the biggest things that Frank Vogel has been 391 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:41,960 tasked with since being hired is repairing the relationship there. You definitely should have 392 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:47,279 been more proactive to protect that. But if you weren't, if you didn't 393 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:51,400 view him as this centerpiece or part of your cap slot corps, then you 394 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,359 should have been more proactive and maybe trying to like why didn't you trade him 395 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,079 to Indy who would have given you Miles Turner and maybe something else for it. 396 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,319 So I don't I don't know what that does to the grade, Like 397 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,119 I don't you know, I do think like to get away from the eight 398 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,960 and stuff like THEA Cookee signing ended up working out a lot better than I 399 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,880 would have expected. Quite Frankly, I don't know how I viewed it back 400 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,000 then, So like that's kind of a notch under their belt, So like, 401 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:21,000 but does that cancel out? Like, but then did DeAndre eighton situation 402 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:22,720 get any worse? Like he got worse, So the deal looks worse. 403 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,720 I just I don't know what to do with that. Yeah, I mean, 404 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:32,200 I think it's just I think we're sort of both kind of brushing up 405 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,720 against the idea that like, you know, it's not it's not a good 406 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,400 reflection of the organization's ability to sort of look down the road slash manage, 407 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:47,960 you know, situations that the Eighten deal came to this point because yeah, 408 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,319 move them earlier. Uh, just do something before you're put to the decision 409 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,720 of like, we don't really like this guy, but we're gonna pay him 410 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,960 one hundred and thirty million because it's an asset preservation to which is like you 411 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,599 know which, like we've defended a lot of teams for just preserve the asset. 412 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,079 You can trade this big. This is a big salary slot for a 413 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,319 team that now you know, if they are going to change anything this year. 414 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,359 Aten's massively important to the Sun's as title contenders this season, but he's 415 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,240 also the guy that you're going to move if you just don't like what you 416 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,839 got, or you do end up needing more depth, Like I guess, 417 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,039 I just I don't know. I don't know what else you would have wanted 418 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:26,319 them to do, like in the moment, like all the way that they 419 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,880 all the lead up to the Eighten matching, you know, we can criticize, 420 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,359 but at the second that Indy signs under that offer sheet, like you 421 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,200 had two choices, and I think the Sun's made the right one, even 422 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,759 though it's an imperfect choice, like because the alternative is he leaves and you 423 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:44,720 have nothing. You have nothing there? So is this too galaxy being them? 424 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,519 Because we know that they were involved in the Sabonus talks and so Eighten 425 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,559 must have been a centerpiece of that and they kind of did see this coming 426 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,200 down the road. And then I'm not saying they should have traded for Sabonus, 427 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,400 but like you knew this was because it's so hard to move them when 428 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,640 they reach free agency. But Indy was still clearly interested in making some sort 429 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,559 of deal there. But what I will say I they want to leave their 430 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,000 grade the same because the Josha cooked he look talking better. The Landale transaction 431 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,160 ended up working out a lot better for them, and look, Devin Booker 432 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,240 improved enough defensively last year and like the fact that he's still improving there. 433 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:22,400 You look at his contract and I know the numbers like kind of take you 434 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,920 aback. There's a chance that you have this guy through his age thirty season 435 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,359 and he during that time, he is never going to make thirty five percent 436 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,599 of the salary cap. Yeah, that is huge, right, because he's 437 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:37,559 worth that he would get that and you know if he if he could now, 438 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,519 like Devin Booker is if if you were not ranking players, he is 439 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,599 one of the guys as in the conversation for the ten best players at the 440 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,039 end, for sure. Yeah you you if you're if you're looking at the 441 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,160 Sun's offseason from like a let's work big to small perspective, you do the 442 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,759 Devin the Devin Booker deal, you do ten times out of ten, Like 443 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,279 that's just there's no question that was true. Then it's just you look back 444 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:57,519 now at what he did and like what's going on the cap. It's like, 445 00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:00,599 wow, yeah, I don't know what to do. I forgot that 446 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:07,400 Monty Williams got an extension, but then ownership changes, so like who you 447 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,920 know? Who knows? I think I'm gonna go I was at was I 448 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,839 B minus? Yeah, I'm sticking with my get do I bring them down 449 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,000 to a B. I'm just gonna stick with a B plus because I don't 450 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,759 know how realistic it was to expect them to have given up on eight and 451 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,759 like before the off season. Yeah, I hate to do the same thing, 452 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:27,759 but I'll just leave it where it was, which is B minus again, 453 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,720 because I'm not looking at any of these moves and seeing like, well, 454 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,519 that was a clear mistake or I wouldn't have done that. I just 455 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,880 not a lot changes for me. That takes us to the last team in 456 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,000 the Pacific Division, which is the Sacramento Kings. This is gonna be very 457 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:47,240 interesting. I totally forgot what I gave them. Oh all right, I 458 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,519 just just looked at it. Okay. Signed Mike Brown to a four year 459 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,000 deal to be the new head coach, drafty Kegan Murray at number four. 460 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:57,880 Those are already two moves I'm sure I panned a year ago. Traded Jaden 461 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:03,599 Hardy Oh who's number thirty seven to the MAVs for two seconds, got Kevin 462 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,680 Hurder from the Hawks for Mo Harkless justin holiday at twenty twenty four first with 463 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,839 a lot of protection, top twelve, protection in twenty five, top ten, 464 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,000 and twenty six becomes this twenty six second. Uh, Trey Lyles came 465 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,640 back, picked up his player option, got Malik Monk for two years in 466 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,119 nineteen point four million. What else was of consequence here? Not a whole. 467 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:27,640 Damien Jones left, Dante DiVincenzo left, Jeremy Lamb, Josh Jackson were 468 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,799 unsigned at the time. Uh, I killed this one, I by which 469 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:37,160 I mean I was super before you reveal your grade here, because we like 470 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,839 this had to be like one of the This was like one of our biggest 471 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,359 discrepancies of all time. I think we need to play a little something on 472 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,799 Grant's Grant's behalf. This is Phil. Where the hell are you, guys? 473 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:59,680 I'm freaking out. Yeah, listen, uh, we fucked up. 474 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,599 You're not saying we it was I you liked the offseason for no, I 475 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,640 fucked up two great the great has to come up from there. Well if 476 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,680 we were, but I gave him a D. You gave him a B 477 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:15,680 minus. Yeah, that was that was way too low. I'm gonna have 478 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,839 to I let that quip play too. I hopefully I'll remember to cut it 479 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,880 up and post just the we fucked up part. I think we both sucked 480 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,400 up here, but well met me worse. Can I give you my I 481 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:30,440 remember my rationale. I think I didn't like the Mike Brown signing hiring, 482 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,319 although I think it probably would concede that's about as good as you were going 483 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,240 to do. I think I really wanted Jade and Ivy instead of Kegan Murray 484 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,279 because I thought Ivy had star upside. Murray was just flat out better than 485 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,519 Ivy. I probably I can't imagine. I knew what Jaden Hardy was going 486 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:47,839 to become, so I'm not going to kill them for trading that pick. 487 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,480 I think, I bet you if we listened back to this, I would 488 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,279 have criticized them for adding a bunch of offensive players to a team that had 489 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:01,480 no defense at all. Where I was very, very, very wrong was 490 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:07,839 that the offense was not going to be good enough to offset how shitty the 491 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,599 defense was going to be. And clearly the offense, which I don't know 492 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:14,119 if it ended up this way, but had the highest like you know, 493 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:20,240 not ERA adjusted offensive rating of all time, was good enough. So I 494 00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,119 was very wrong about the King's off season. Yeah, and we did not 495 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,880 miss any there. The bones of their off season was done by the time 496 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,359 we recorded. I forgotten to mention that. Uh. Look, I the 497 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,799 Mike Brown signing, I was probably too low on, like I was probably 498 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:37,359 okay with it. I'm with you on Keegan Murray. I probably wanted them 499 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,680 gonna go elsewhere. I did not. I didn't hammer it, but I 500 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,599 was uncomfortable with the Kevin Hurder trade. So it's like, why are the 501 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,200 King's trading first round picks for non stars? Like you can't you can't do 502 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,400 that. I didn't really know what to make in the league. Monk signing, 503 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,960 I was he was so good with the Lakers. I was probably comfortable 504 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,519 with it. I don't think I lampoon did I was with you the sense 505 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,759 like, oh, they really geared towards offense. It ended up working out 506 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:01,359 for them. I don't know how you give them. I'm going up to 507 00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:05,279 an A. How do you think you have to What did they miss on? 508 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,319 Nothing? I think you have to go up I think I think it. 509 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,559 I'll go with you. I'll go up to an A. Just like, 510 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:15,640 there's not anything on here that there aren't any mistakes, there's no mistakes 511 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,680 on here. I guess like Dante DiVincenzo could have helped, but like it 512 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:24,480 seemed like he was not happy there and was kind of weirdly minimized. I 513 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:29,839 think he maybe even alluded to the fact that, yeah, he was just 514 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,200 you know, not happy with how they handled him because it may have cost 515 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:37,720 him some money by costing him starter criteria in free agency. Yeah, there 516 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,200 are no misses here. The theory of this offseason was just just like, 517 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:45,559 let's score all the points, totally worked out. The one thing I will 518 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:49,480 say is maybe, should you have figured out the Rashaun Holmes situation sooner so 519 00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:51,960 you didn't have to give him a first round pick to get rid of him? 520 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,319 Yeah? Maybe, but maybe looking maybe teams looking at it with oh, 521 00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:58,000 there's three guaranteed years left on his deal, maybe that's still would have 522 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,759 been. But it's it's an A So beat is a huge jump going from 523 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:06,079 a D. I feel like they earned it, Like what they had the 524 00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:08,920 best season in like two decades of their franchise's history. You had it was 525 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,400 largely because of the moves they made. I mean, I guess you'd have 526 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,920 to go back to last season and the Sabonis trade, although like we don't 527 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,039 need to relitigate Haliburton versus Sabonis. But yeah, like they just they had 528 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,639 a phenomenal season, and it was you can't have a d in the off 529 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,480 season grade if you end up doing that, well, that would bring us 530 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,159 to the Denver Nuggets, who's apparently we did the Northwest Division earlier. I 531 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:34,760 don't know how I ordered this doc what we were doing this I was, 532 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,000 I don't know if I was like Stone or something. But anyway, the 533 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,840 Denver Nuggets, so they had a busy off season. They signed Nicole Yokaso 534 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,079 a five year, two hundred and seventy million dollars extension. It's a player 535 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,599 option in the final season when he'll be aged thirty two. Jeff Green picked 536 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,360 up his player option. They traded Jamichael Green and a top twenty a top 537 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,599 five twenty twenty seven first round pick that immediately turns into a second if it 538 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:02,679 doesn't convey for number thirty, which they drafted Peyton Watson. They got a 539 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,639 twenty twenty three second rounder and a twenty twenty four second rounder. Out of 540 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,280 that, they created a TP as well. They used more than half of 541 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,360 that. They drafted Christian Brown at number twenty one. I guarantee you neither 542 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,840 of us were like, oh wow, that was a home run. They 543 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,400 got the KCP and Ish Smith for Will Barton and Monte Morris. They created 544 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,000 a nine point two million dollars TPA as part of that. They didn't signed 545 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:29,239 KCP to a two year, thirty billion dollars extension. He does have a 546 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:34,239 player option though. Next summer they signed Colin Gillespie to a two way contract, 547 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,400 and that should be oh no, They signed Bruce Brown. How is 548 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,000 this so far at the bottom? They signed Bruce Brown, one of our 549 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,480 favorite deals of the off season at the time, to a two year, 550 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,000 thirteen point three million dollars deal. He of course left because he had a 551 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,920 player option. They signed DeAndre Jordan seconds after free agency started. For some 552 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,079 reason, they signed a Vlacho Chanchar to a three year, six point eight 553 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:55,559 million dollars deal. He's still on the team, but did Terra's ACL. 554 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,760 They promoted Calvin Booth after Tim Connolly left for Minnesota as well. It got 555 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,480 a very very busy offseason. No super notable exits. Brent Forbes left, 556 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:12,760 Austin Rivers left, and DeMarcus Cousin DeMarcus cousins didn't sign with anybody. I'm 557 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,159 interested to see how we graded this. I'm looking at it. I gave 558 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:19,400 them a B. You gave them an A minus? What were the misses? 559 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,440 Like how do I? I'm just I don't want to shorten this discussion, 560 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:23,559 but we have to have to go to an A plus? Like how 561 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:28,159 do I? Yeah, I mean I don't know what else to do. 562 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,599 I was gonna leave mine or I was going to go to an A. 563 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,239 But if A plus is on the table, I think we've probably got to 564 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,639 do that because I mean, just like even the Jamachael Green trade, which 565 00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:40,199 relative to some of the other stuff on this list, is pretty inconsequential, 566 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,159 Like you got Peyton Watson, who might really matter this year already, Like 567 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:49,719 yeah, he's gonna play a huge role theoretically, or he almost has to. 568 00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:52,639 And then I think, thinking back on this, like the Casey p 569 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,000 trade I loved from the moment it happened. I just think that that like 570 00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,719 he's just he's a fucking starter on a champ being ship team, Like oh 571 00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,079 often like that, that's that's what he does. That's what he does. 572 00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:07,960 And you got him for a for a point guard and Morris, who just 573 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,440 doesn't matter. He's good. Monte Morris is a good player. But you 574 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,679 have Yokich, like there's that's that's who's going to handle the ball. We 575 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,639 don't need, Like that's just it was a perfect trade. And then like 576 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:22,400 to extend him and then to get Bruce br I mean, yeah, let's 577 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,679 go a plus across the board. They won the title pretty easily, like 578 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,159 there's nowhere else to go here, there's And because I'm so high on Peyton 579 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,199 Watson, I would normally just still be uncomfortable with that's all you got by 580 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,719 giving up a twenty twenty seven first. But I'm just I'm really high on 581 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,480 Peyton Watson now and I wasn't at the time, Like I just don't have 582 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:42,400 enough information on those guys. We did, to our credit. We named 583 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,599 Bruce Brown I think was our favorite contract of the summer, and that ended 584 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:49,239 up being pretty spot on. It was for different reasons, and I think 585 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,639 it ended up being though because I didn't see them using him so differently as 586 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,119 Brooklyn did, Like there were elements of it like he ran a lot of 587 00:37:55,519 --> 00:38:00,079 backup playmaker stuff. And I think part of my be was is I liked 588 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,039 the Casey pe Tree. There were some people that were like, well, 589 00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,519 it was still a salary, dumb, but I was like, yeah, 590 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:07,719 it's a salary, Like they cut costs and it made sense. They got 591 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,039 the best player in the deal, and I honestly thought it was a win 592 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,519 win for both teams. I did not have enough information on Will Barton. 593 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,800 I do remember being concerned that, okay, you trade away Monte Morris and 594 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,639 Jamal Murray's coming off that ACL injury and missing the entire season, did you 595 00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:23,679 really compromise your bench? And you know what, the bench was not great, 596 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,199 but it didn't fucking matter. And because when it mattered, most of 597 00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:30,480 this team was the two additions that they picked up over the off season. 598 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,440 Bruce Brown and Casey Pleey played major roles. They were top six players. 599 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,400 I'm the fucking champion. And Christen Brown was playing major minutes, like I 600 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,079 mean, not major minutes, but he mattered in the playoffs, and I 601 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:46,400 guarantee you, I guarantee you that that might have even been just we just 602 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,599 named it and we didn't even mention him after that when we were giving out 603 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,599 grades, just like Christian Brown. Which is a tough part about grades because 604 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:57,280 you haven't seen them in the NBA yet, So honestly, if we were 605 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,960 giving out a plus plus pluses, this would this would be the team. 606 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,480 You'd sort of have to like the moves they made. I mean, Yokich 607 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:06,400 is the reason they won the title, but and getting healthy, but the 608 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,280 moves they made. They don't win it if if you don't have KCP or 609 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,800 you don't have Brown, and I mean I mean talking about Bruce Brown and 610 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,760 then Christian Brown again, like mattered in the most important games as a rookie. 611 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,360 That's ridiculous. The twenty first pick. I think it was twenty ridiculous. 612 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:23,880 Honestly, I'm just I can't be a game. But b yeah, 613 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:31,880 your title pick, by the way, fun since we're on the Nuggets. 614 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,559 We even talked about that in a while, being right about the Like I'll 615 00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,920 call it an offbeat title pick because I don't think nationally many people picked the 616 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,960 Nuggets to win the title. I like, it wasn't very people are still, 617 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,800 like they're more likely to call me out about something I said about, 618 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,159 Like I don't like Quiet LETTERD like eight years ago and was wrong about then 619 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,199 oh wow, like someone picked the Nuggets to win the title. It's being 620 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,480 right has no value. No, Well, you know what, you and 621 00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,400 Kevin Durant have a lot in common because great success did not bring you the 622 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,800 joy that you thought it would. And now you're gonna have to move to 623 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,239 another podcast and make have more takes so you can just chase that joy because 624 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,880 this this didn't give it to you. You should. I'd be refreshing your 625 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,559 email daily at this point for that announced. All right, let's really pivot 626 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:21,159 to We were both pretty good on the Nuggets. We were not good on 627 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,719 the next team, which is the Minnesota Timberwolves. Yeah here, so here 628 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,320 we go. Hired Tim Connolly as president of basketball operations late of the Denver 629 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,679 Nuggets. UH signed Karl Anthony Towns to a four year, two hundred and 630 00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:37,400 twenty four million dollar extensions same as same as Booker, basically right, I 631 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,199 think it's similar term. I don't want to get to the big one here. 632 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,360 Traded Jake Larravia for Walker Kessler, UH and tay Ti Washington. I 633 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,000 don't know where this is all going. Walker Kessler obviously, UH goes somewhere 634 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,360 else pretty soon, and that's gonna be part of a bad look. I'm 635 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,519 trying to Okay, here, let's talk about it. Acquired Rudy Gobert from 636 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,760 the Utah Jazz, former league Beastley, Patrick, Peverett, Leandre Ball, 637 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,840 Merrow, the aforementioned Walker Kessler, Jared Vanderbilt, A twenty three first, 638 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,559 a twenty five first, a twenty six swap, a twenty seven first, 639 00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:14,840 a twenty nine first, which has top five protection. Something you could not 640 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:22,360 say about any of those other first because they're all unprotected. Uh uh, 641 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,639 Sign on good one. Sign Kyle Anderson to two year, eighteen million dollars 642 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:30,000 deal. Signed torre In Prince two years, fourteen point six, twenty three, 643 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,639 twenty four non guaranteed. He's already gone. Signed BYRN Forbes, Austin 644 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,239 Rivers to minimums. I mean that's enough. I mean, well picked up 645 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,199 nas Reid's option, who is now playing a bigger role, Joshua Kogi left 646 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,760 Jake Layman unsigned and not in the league. Okay, did we miss I'm 647 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,960 trying to say, I don't think we missed anything. I think we had 648 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,880 all. I mean, like all that stuff was done. They've got some 649 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,519 big stuff obviously. Yeah, but I do think Look, I don't like 650 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,679 we don't I don't want to have to repeat necessarily have thing, but this 651 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:12,119 is this is the one where it's it's pertinent again. We fucked up much 652 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:17,840 better at it. Yeah, I had this offseason forever to be known as 653 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,400 the off season of the Rudy Gobert trade. As a B. You had 654 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,800 as a B. Plus, I take a tiny amount of solace and being 655 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,360 slightly less wrong about this than you were. You remember, I remember exactly 656 00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:35,039 how I defended the Gobert trade. Do you remember your thinking on it? 657 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,119 Yeah? I thought that they were just gonna be regular season monsters, and 658 00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:43,760 there might be questions in the playoffs, and injuries contributed to some of the 659 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,159 disconnect, but it just never. They had to reorient their team in the 660 00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:50,039 middle of the year to make it work with the Mike Conley trade, and 661 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,960 even then it wasn't like Sunshine and Daisies. Man. I had those same 662 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,440 thoughts, and I definitely remember writing I don't know if we talk talked about 663 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,039 it, but in defense of the like, if one were to make an 664 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,039 argument in defense of the Gobert trade, one would say, or would have 665 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,840 said, a year ago, that's a ton to give up those picks. 666 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,679 That's crazy. They're all unprotected Minnesota does not tend to keep its best players, 667 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:22,559 so like the upside of those picks are like terrifying. But Rudy Gobert 668 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,880 is what are the a three time All Defensive Player of the Year, and 669 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,679 it's just a lock to make your defense top five. So if this doesn't 670 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:35,679 work, if the Town's Gobert pairing doesn't work, you're gonna be able to 671 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,960 in a year or two probably just flip Gobert for like you get two of 672 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,239 those first back major right, Like that was my thinking, and now it's 673 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,519 just like how many more first would you have to give up to get rid 674 00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:50,360 of him? I mean, like that's I was. I could not have 675 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,800 been more wrong about sort of the the how do we how do we bail 676 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,519 out of this? Like thinking that there was a clean way to sort of 677 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,639 undo this if it didn't work, And that's just that was dead wrong. 678 00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:07,639 There is you know, the Gobert contract, I think is probably now regarded 679 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,559 as one of the most difficult to trade in the league. Certainly not when 680 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,400 you get positive value for I don't think. So. Yeah, that's really 681 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,000 what this offseason comes down to, right. The Town's extension, I guess 682 00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:21,559 you could say, is is maybe not great either, But the Gobert trade 683 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:23,159 we were just wrong on. That's all there is to it. I'm trying 684 00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:27,280 to think the only thing that's sparing them from an F and I'm wondering if 685 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,679 it's enough to offset it is Kyle Enterson a Toonian Prince were good moves and 686 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,159 I know they really like when no more. We have not seen enough of 687 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,360 him. I'm like kind of intrigued by Josh might not, but we haven't 688 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,599 seen anything from him. So like, is it enough to be that can 689 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:45,960 we go D minus instead of an F? That's the question. So are 690 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,920 you persuaded at all by the fact that, like we really did not get 691 00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:54,400 well even even a half season's worth of information on how the how the Wolves 692 00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:00,000 best lineup might work with you know, Town's Gobert, Edwards, McDaniels, 693 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,719 Conley. Also, how much does it matter that they were they the hardest 694 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,199 opponent in the West that the Nuggets faced. I mean maybe maybe so I 695 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,920 think that gets us out of having to go from the B range to the 696 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,679 F range, because there is still a little We're still not one hundred percent 697 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,639 sure that this is just never gonna get off the ground. But the first 698 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,679 year was bad and because of Gobert's age, like you know, it stands 699 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:27,880 to reason that the subsequent years may not be any better. So I'm gonna 700 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,760 go I started at a B, I'll take it down. I'll take it 701 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,199 down two full grades to a D. I'll just go to down to a 702 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,960 D. I'm gonna go D plus just because as you kind of outline, 703 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,039 like, there's there's still little hope and so the fact that they haven't completely 704 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:45,239 neutered hope, but yeah, we have totely acknowledge that that's a that's that's 705 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,039 that's the tagline for the wolf section of this is there's still a little hope, 706 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,239 and you have to say, I mean maybe there's like if they just 707 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,719 stay healthy. And it's not like I don't carl anthing Town has been banged 708 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,280 up before, and Rudy Gobert Mike Conley are getting older, but it's not 709 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,519 like they're dealing with guys who are chronically apps for the most part, and 710 00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:06,079 so like they couldn't just get better help this team. You're definitely gonna need 711 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,400 to double check me on because they always do so much shit. I'm just 712 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,119 wondering, like, what did what did we miss with the Oklahoma City Thunder, 713 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,599 so they man, they always do so much stuff. They drafted Jail 714 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:21,280 and Rid at number two. He did not play. Obviously, Derek Favors 715 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,960 had picked up his player option. They eventually get rid of him. They 716 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,360 acquired Jamichael Green, who they bought out, and that Denver two thousand and 717 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,559 twenty seven top five protected first round. It was top of I protected first 718 00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,360 round pick. I guess drew twenty nine. Did I had it as after 719 00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:37,239 whatever? So they have Denver's top five protected first round pick that they gave 720 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,480 up number thirty for that. They drafted Jail and Williams at number twelve. 721 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,599 They acquired Usman Jang from the Knicks for Denver's twenty twenty three first round pick, 722 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,559 Detroit's twenty twenty three first which is still out there. It's protected through 723 00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,960 two thousand and twenty seven, and then Washington's two and twenty three first round 724 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,360 pick that's protected through two thousand and twenty six. It gets down to eight 725 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,840 protection. If anyone cares, the Detroit pick will get all the way down 726 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,360 to top I think nine protection. They also then drafted Jay will Big Jaylen 727 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,719 Williams at number thirty four, they declined the Dort's team option and then designed 728 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,079 him to a five year, eighty two point five million dollars deal, only 729 00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:20,320 the first four years of which basically were guaranteed, so sixty four point eight 730 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,079 million. They signed Kenrick Williams to a four year, twenty seven point two 731 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:28,039 million dollar extension team option. On that final season. They signed Mike Muscala 732 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,679 to a two year, seven million dollars deal after declining his team option. 733 00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:37,039 And the only notable exit I have down at the time was Isaiah Roby and 734 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:38,480 then, of course their favorites eventually was not on this team. Did I 735 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:43,760 miss anything, just as we missed him when we did the Sixers missed him 736 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,440 leaving Isaiah Joe signed on October sixteenth, so we miss it in the grades, 737 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,000 so that did not miss it in the grades. That's the only other 738 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,840 consequential transaction here that we did not have. What I mean, you're probably 739 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,400 looking, So I was gonna, as, what do you think that you 740 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,880 gave them both? Gave them a's I am looking, And I was not 741 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,719 surprised by that because I remember being really high on them. And then this 742 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,320 is like, I mean, Dan, anytime you can draft a franchise altering 743 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:15,639 rookie and then also draft Chet Homegren. That's a pretty good that's at least 744 00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:21,679 worth staying at an A no matter what else we talk about here, it's 745 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,039 an A plus. But yeah, what's wrong with this off season? There's 746 00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:29,599 nothing wrong with it. It's great. There's and I just I feel like 747 00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,960 this very rarely happens where we viewed it as a perfect offseason essentially, and 748 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,760 it's some abow exceeded expectations because you got this potential quarterstone at number twelve. 749 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:44,480 Yeah, and I mean, like I guess Homegren missing the season, someone 750 00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:46,519 could say, well, I mean, shouldn't that knock the grade down? 751 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,159 I mean, why, that's the thing. I don't feel any worse about 752 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,440 his long term potential. If anything, he was a guy that because of 753 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,400 his like his body type, probably benefited hugely from just like a red shirt 754 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,480 season before he I mean, he's gonna come in, he's gonna start, 755 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,920 he's gonna be awesome, and the team just it's loaded. I just, 756 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,039 yeah, this this is a great offseason. I have no notes at all 757 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,199 that we don't need it. There's there's nothing, there's nothing too quibble about, 758 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,400 unless you think that Peyton Watson is going to be a star, but 759 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,480 hey, you know what itaps will kind of cushion that blow. Yeah, 760 00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,679 you can't. You can't say dork got too much because it's really just a 761 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,639 four. So he's now he's got three years left guaranteed for like twenty a 762 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,519 pop. That's he can be offensively damaging, but it's like a team at 763 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,760 a heartbeat will give you positive value for that contract. Oh yeah, no 764 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,639 question, he's still so I mean, yeah that yeah, that I'm just 765 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,039 looking for ways to criticize this and I just don't not see there's no twenty 766 00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:45,559 seven four years. The Denver thing and they did more of that. This 767 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,280 off season was about we have so many picks and so many guys that we 768 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,119 need to figure out a way to defer otherwise we're gonna end up cutting people. 769 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,800 They're still gonna have to cut people this year. So that like even 770 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,480 that's kind of a home run unless you think, again, at Peyton Watson's 771 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,920 gonna hit, But you look at this team minutes, what was he gonna 772 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,480 do here? Like, how are you supposed to find one for Baton Wattson? 773 00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,519 Anyway? Yeah, what a good offseason, all right? That brings 774 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,440 us to the Blazers, which I have so starts with it's so interesting to 775 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000 look at all this now with all that's gone on with Portland since signed signed 776 00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:20,079 Joe Cron into a four year deal, I guess basically remove the interim tag, 777 00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:24,280 right, uh so, and subsequently acquired Jeremy Grant. You're gonna have 778 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,800 to like remind me what the hell happened here, because on the sheet we've 779 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,440 got it as acquired Jeremy Grant and number forty six for number thirty six in 780 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:37,920 the twenty two draft Milwaukee's twenty five first and a twenty six second rounder. 781 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,880 So they just take him into space? Is that what it was based? 782 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,079 I think they had that CJ McCall him trade exception. Okay, all right, 783 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,519 walking first has gotten like so or Milwaukee's first are just like floating all 784 00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,639 over the league because that was the twenty Was that the twenty three Milwaukee first 785 00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:58,119 five? Yeah, that was floated. It was it's with the Dicks now 786 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,039 it was with the pell kids at one point. Like that that's making that's 787 00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:05,159 making the rounds a Bucks twenty five for I mean, I guess that's a 788 00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:10,360 little too soon for the like maybe our discord members are clamoring for us to 789 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,400 record a podcast about recent events, and like Janis did did make the comments 790 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:19,360 that he's not sure if his futures in Milwaukee and so that doesn't matter for 791 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,320 this season, I don't think, but twenty twenty five that pick is all 792 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,119 of a sudden a lot more interesting. Yeah, It's like when everyone talked 793 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:30,960 about the Pelicans having the Lakers picks as just total lottery tickets, which they 794 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,960 didn't turn out to be necessarily, but same same idea. Okay, well 795 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,920 this is not even related, but they have that they have the Lakers pick 796 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,679 this year, but they could just defer it, and so that could mess 797 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,280 with the Lakers and how they're going on the trade market. And also it's 798 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,639 just there's still that element of are the Lakers a little combustible? Like was 799 00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:52,719 the Western Conference Finals run? There's so many fascinating draft pick commitments around the 800 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,360 league. I know, it's fast. Speaking of fascinating draft picks, the 801 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,760 Blazers pick Shaden Sharp at number seven, who was just like this mystery box 802 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,639 of an obviously super athletic player that just nobody had any film on. I 803 00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,599 mean, I'm exaggerating, but like he was the super high upside guy that 804 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,400 we're not sure about because we haven't really seen him. That turned out well. 805 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,360 Drafted Jabari Walker and signed him to one of those Hinky's kind of hinky 806 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,800 ish specials three years, four point eight million, a pretty good deal for 807 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,199 a number fifty seven pick. They got Gary Payton the second from the Warriors 808 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:27,280 three years, twenty six point two million, last year's a player option. 809 00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,360 Signed Anthony Simmons. Forgot about this four years, one hundred signed Yusef Nurkics 810 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,639 to four years and seventy no options, which goes through his age thirty one 811 00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:39,559 season. Signed Drew u Banks to a veteran minimum deal. Signed who Man 812 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,400 I forgot this too. Gave Dame that two year, one hundred and twenty 813 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,920 million dollars extension not looking great, takes him through his age thirty six season, 814 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,360 where he will make sixty three point two million dollars. Wavens stretched Eric 815 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:58,559 Bledsoe's partial guarantee, lost Joe Angles to the Bucks. That's it, I 816 00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:02,000 think, unless we've had some late entries after we recorded this. No, 817 00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:05,960 I'm not seen anything that really standed like just a bunch of normal end of 818 00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,960 a roster stuff. Oh wait, no, the nos little extension four years, 819 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,440 twenty eight million dollars like him, just I need to financial security. 820 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,800 I'm injured all the time. Ended up being a smart decision by him. 821 00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:21,079 Yeah. Yeah, so we were both high on this, me slightly higher 822 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:22,119 than you. I was a B plus. Do you have you looked at 823 00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:27,960 your grade? Do you know what you were? A B B? The 824 00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:35,159 Dame extension, I think and the Nurkicsch deal both look bad to me now. 825 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,840 They must not have at the time. I imagine I defended the Dame 826 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,920 thing as it's the going raid and you're rewarding the guy who's been super loyal 827 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,480 and will never ask for a trade in a million years. That I actually 828 00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:52,880 know though, that running from the grind is great Cardio, So why are 829 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,320 we so? I mean, I think the sharp I don't think we could 830 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,519 have possibly known enough about Shade and Sharp to make that a big reason for 831 00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,800 the deal. I guess probably getting Jeremy for a trade exception probably stands out 832 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,400 as a good move, except they just have now overpaid him. But we're 833 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,000 not factoring that in. And I think at that time that Milwaukee pick did 834 00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:13,519 not look as juicy as it was now, like the back end protection on 835 00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:15,719 it, because like the Pelicans have it. If it falls, I think 836 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,920 one to four and that it's five to thirty goes to the Knicks. Now, 837 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,320 I believe that's the protection on it. I don't like you can't know 838 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,199 that that's it was just the first round pick for Jeremy Grant. We thought 839 00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:29,400 they were winning our team. I think the Simon's contract actually looks better to 840 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,199 me. Yeah, I mean just because like look at what like he was 841 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,920 probably the best of Tyler Hero, Jordan Pool or j Barrett like that sort 842 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:44,000 of quick last year. Maybe Tyler Hero was better. Maybe And I always 843 00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,000 lump Maxie in there, But then he doesn't have his deal yet, So 844 00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:52,519 man, I think what is the big the pivot point. I didn't like 845 00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:55,119 the I don't think either of us like the use of Nurkics deal at the 846 00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:58,079 time. By the way, he's fine. I just thought that was too 847 00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:01,840 much for the going rate. The day extension is the Do you criticize the 848 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:07,280 organization for that or is that more of a dame thing because the reports say 849 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,840 he pushed forward. Is it's just a collective with I don't know how to 850 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,239 view it. Yeah, I don't know what to do with it, and 851 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,599 it must there's no way we made these grades without that being a significant factor. 852 00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:20,280 So that suggests that we couldn't have been that low on it at the 853 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,679 time. It just this is why we read we regrade. It's like, 854 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,280 now it looks really bad because I don't look really bad too. And I 855 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,880 know you mentioned him, but did you mention it was really bad Gary Payton? 856 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,519 The second stuff, Yeah, just wasn't healthy, and they it just 857 00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,840 couldn't help him. I'm sure that I made the case that, like all, 858 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,519 this guy is the perfect the perfect fit alongside you know, Simons and 859 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,679 Lillard because he's gonna guard whoever they can't, and he's gonna be defensively disruptive 860 00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:51,519 and for the first time, Portland's gonna like make opponents feel them on defense. 861 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,119 But he just he was basically a zero for them. So yeah, 862 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:58,639 that that hurts. I'm gonna go I'm I'm ready. I'm ready to regrade 863 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,559 Dan. I'm gonna go down to a I'm gonna go down to a C 864 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,159 plus because I think sharp looks really good now. Yeah, so that that 865 00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:09,000 that looks better. I do have a question for you about the day of 866 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:15,480 ex session before I figure out mine. Would he have been more valuable if 867 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,920 he didn't tie the extension as a trade piece that only wanted to go to 868 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,920 one team? Where it's like, would there be would teams be more willing 869 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,679 to give up something because the deal isn't as long term, or would they 870 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,880 view it as a higher risk because oh, he only has two years left 871 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,239 on his deal rather than four, so we're not even gonna get involved here, 872 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,880 And maybe that would even give Miami cause to low ball them further since 873 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,840 he's closer to free. I don't. I honestly don't know where I land 874 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,840 on it. That's why I was curious your thoughts. I think if the 875 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:52,159 question is does that extension make Lillard from a from an acquiring team perspective more 876 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,039 or less palatable, I think it makes it less palatable. And I think 877 00:56:54,079 --> 00:57:00,719 because all you you hear about teams and you can't discuss Lillard trade without mentioning 878 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:06,400 he's gonna be making sixty three million dollars when he's thirty six, like you're 879 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,360 on the hook for that. That's like, I think that's a massive hindrance 880 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,280 to acquiring dames. So I think it's I think that made it harder. 881 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,280 It's not the same as like you're trading for a twenty seven year old guy 882 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,800 that's got four years left and like that's a benefit as opposed to if he's 883 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:24,800 got a year or two when you're up in the age range. The dame 884 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,920 is a longer deal is like I think, is a negative generally. You 885 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,599 know, with some exceptions, like you you know, maybe he costs less 886 00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:37,719 to acquire because he might leave and that's priced in. But I just for 887 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,800 this specific case, I think that extension made it much more difficult for a 888 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,119 team to justify giving up a lot to get him. I'll go so you 889 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:49,199 were C plus, I'll go down to a C just because I think this 890 00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:52,239 that off season was at least further evidence kind of like how what they did 891 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:55,320 or didn't do around the trade devide in the middle of the season. If 892 00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,119 you knew you were operating on that much of the precipice of a rebuild, 893 00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:05,199 they're having an over haul your direction, what you did last offseason does not 894 00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:09,360 show you had a good feel for that uncertainty, right, Yeah, that's 895 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:16,119 fair. Which our last team in this division is the Utah Jazz, who 896 00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:20,440 boy, the day they haven't aunt, you were gonna have to quadruple check 897 00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:24,400 this. Quinn Snyder resigned. They then signed Will Hardy do a five year 898 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,920 deal. Grant, Why did they do that five year deal? Why did 899 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,480 they do that? Traded doing the finger it's in the windhorse fingers for anyone 900 00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,400 that's not watching this on you. Yeah, I could't should have had that 901 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,039 meme qewed up. But so they traded Roy something you know, the nets 902 00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:42,320 for a twenty twenty three first round pick least favorable of Houston Brooklyn, Philly. 903 00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:45,079 They then created an eight point eight million dollars TP that they used on 904 00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:51,920 Leandrew bow Marmo and the advant Jared Vanderbilt in the Rudy Gobert trade, speaking 905 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,360 of which they traded Rudy Gobert, who the Wolves for Malik Beasley, Patrick 906 00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:00,280 Beverley, Leandro Bolmo, Walker Kessler, Jared Vanderbilt unprotected in two twenty three, 907 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:04,880 two thousand and twenty five, two thousand and twenty seven, a top 908 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,800 five protected pick in two thousand and twenty nine, and then they have unprotected 909 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:13,599 swaps in two and twenty six, and oh none in two thousand and twenty 910 00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,960 four, there's no swap this year. Kudos to the timberwol was a nice 911 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,400 piece of business right there for them. They and that is notable exits. 912 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,559 Daniel House left, they waved one earn and Gomez has On Whiteside did not 913 00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:29,719 sign with Anyboddy Eric Paschal left. Do we miss anything that happened after that? 914 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,480 Yeah? Trade, this was wow, great little couple little somethings. 915 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:39,239 Donovan Mitchell for sure, but boyam Bogdanovitch trade also, So the first they're 916 00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:44,719 just pouring into the jazz after after we graded, Yeah, they were, 917 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,679 and they have another It was basically the same setup. They got unprotected first 918 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,760 from I mean they got Larry Market and as part of the Donovan Mitchell trade 919 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,559 too. I can't I just like forgot about the Donovan Mitchell trade for a 920 00:59:54,599 --> 01:00:00,119 second. Uh, that's just man, just absolutely wild. Offseason, they 921 01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:04,079 signed Colin Sexton as part of that neal. Four years and seventy point one 922 01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:07,880 million dollars was part of the assigned in trade. They also got Larry Markus. 923 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,280 We mentioned oak BAGI twenty twenty five unprotected first, twenty twenty seven, 924 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,119 unprotected first, twenty twenty nine unprotected first swap rights in two thousand and twenty 925 01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:21,639 six and two thousand and twenty eighth, they did they Oh they also you 926 01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:23,920 know the other thing we forgot they traded talent Horton Tucker or are they trade 927 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:30,239 for talent Horton Tucker for Patrick Beverley. Basically, I think I now think 928 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,239 that's it. I think we Nick comes on as part of the bognonomous trade. 929 01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:43,480 I think we said you mentioned Kessler, so we mentioned was part of 930 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,840 the Yeah, that was they were just a mess because I'm sure we the 931 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,440 Dono Mitchell trade rumors were definitely in the ether in August. We were probably 932 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,639 just like, hey, we have to do this. What so we know 933 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,639 you know what they gave him? I gave him an A minus. You 934 01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:59,719 gave him an A What is give me the logic that prevents us from giving 935 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,119 them an A plus? I don't. I The only we have to do 936 01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,800 it we have to go away plus. The only logic I think that I 937 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,400 remember missing on was this team is going to be so bad they're gonna have 938 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,119 the inside track for women Yama and that that didn't come to pass. I 939 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,960 imagine that was priced into this tear down is like you're tearing down at the 940 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:23,599 exact although I don't think we'd had the showcase games of the women Yama scoot, 941 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,079 like the doubleheader that we got. I forget when that happened, but 942 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:30,519 it was probably after this, so maybe at the time it wasn't just a 943 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:36,719 dead certainty that Wemben Yama was going to be generational and someone you should tank 944 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,440 for. But I do remember thinking like, this is a team poised to 945 01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:44,719 lose a million games and have the most ping pong walls, which was not 946 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,320 the case, And it didn't matter because this is still an A plus and 947 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,719 I think this is even better offseason than the thunder because you had to like 948 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,079 swing a bunch of deals to do it. I do, I do think 949 01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:59,000 what's interesting, and it doesn't. It's not gonna impack they're great for me 950 01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:01,320 at all. If you do getting into the conversation of, well, what 951 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,480 happens after this season, you're gonna start talking about lowry marketings next contract, 952 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,440 and if your own picks really aren't going to be super high end you need 953 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:15,360 then these picks from other teams that you shorted to be high end. My 954 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:19,599 counterpoint to my own point would be, they don't they have so many picks 955 01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:22,920 that the way that they could improve doesn't necessarily have to be through the draft. 956 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,920 They can go out and make a trade, or you could only say, 957 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,880 hey, we could take swings if we're getting these mid first rounders. 958 01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,480 And I also like this year. Okay, they don't end up with the 959 01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:32,840 highest pick, but I love Taylor Hendrix and so like it. Kind of 960 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,480 you didn't get Webbi Yama, and you would rather look Larry Market had a 961 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,639 great year. You would rather have Victor Webbed Yama for sure. But it 962 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,440 was just it was a great off, like if you're gonna tear it down, 963 01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:49,280 this is just a daddy age reset the star trade market for a minute 964 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,039 to where you didn't see other players that I even think the dejan Day Murray 965 01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:55,360 stuff. I don't know if that was that was before this though, wasn't 966 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,519 it? It was? It was talked about in concert with it though, 967 01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:01,559 as like whole should look at these packages teams are getting for players. I 968 01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,760 just didn't even think like that. You might have overpaid for de Jante Murray, 969 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,679 but it wasn't like the level of Rudy Gobert overpay there in assets. 970 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:15,039 But he reset the trade market to the point that I don't think teams understand 971 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,320 how to trade their stars now because other teams are not going to give up, 972 01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:22,400 right what Danny Ainge got? Yeah, Danny Ainge swung two deals. 973 01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:24,960 Certainly the Gobert is in its own the Gobert deals in its own stratosphere, 974 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,119 but swung two huge deals for packages that like basically scared everyone. So so 975 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,360 like it's you know, it's not like he reset the market, it's he 976 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,199 like cranked up the expectation on a star player trade two levels that we're just 977 01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:42,599 not going to hit again. Like that was a one This is a one 978 01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,679 offseason thing. I don't think because even the Durant deal or the Bill deal, 979 01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:49,159 you know, you've got all these picks in there, but it's not 980 01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:52,840 the same. It's not it's not the same level of stuff because it's like 981 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,159 marking in is not a throw in, Like that's I mean, he was, 982 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,920 He's an All star, so like even set it is not just your 983 01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,719 typical salary matching player no either, Yeah, yeah, no, great, 984 01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:08,239 I mean ridiculous phenomenal offseason. Where does that take us now, Yallas Mavericks, 985 01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:09,800 do you have them pulled up or do you need me to do it. 986 01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:12,559 I got it. I gotta go back to the top here. I 987 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,760 allied to you. I don't have it pulled up, but I'm gonna get 988 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,559 there. Dan, You're just gonna have to edit around this dead stamp that 989 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,360 the we're odd to the Dallas Mavericks. That's uh, go ahead if you 990 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,760 have it pulled up. I can't find it now. I got it all 991 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:30,480 right, you go. Acquired christian Wood for Sterling Brown, Trey Burke, 992 01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:32,559 Marquis, Chris Bobon, Marianovitch, just a bunch of dead salary and the 993 01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:39,039 number twenty six pick basically is what the christian Wood deal hinged on, signed 994 01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:43,119 Theo Pinson to a one year deal, got Jaden Hardy too on a three 995 01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:45,519 year, four point eight million dollar deal. Signed to Vale McGee three years 996 01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:49,719 four point eight and I think it maybe fourteen point eight. I can't remember 997 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:55,199 the bulk of the mini mL E. I mean, really, this is 998 01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,639 the most the most significant thing Jalen Brunson left. Signed with the Knicks for 999 01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,039 four years, one hundred and four million. I don't have anything else on 1000 01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:04,760 our sheet from last year? Did I miss anything? For Dallas Whinnicks, 1001 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,320 Dead and Max and Cleveland in September, three years, thirty three million dollars 1002 01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,440 that Josh Gray picked up his option. That's not I mean, that's that 1003 01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:15,039 just happens. It's good for them that he picked up his option, obviously, 1004 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,320 and uh yeah, that was the only that was the big that was 1005 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:25,239 the big stuff. I'm gonna knock this grade down so far, Dan, 1006 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:30,519 because I'm just not seeing any positives here, even just the Brunson deal alone. 1007 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:32,840 Can you really why you were more caught? I gave him a D 1008 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,199 minus. You gave him a C minus the first time around? What was 1009 01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:41,159 I appreciated the Christian Wood trade? But what were you just smitten with? 1010 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,760 Yeah, that's a great question. I think probably I thought the Wood deal, 1011 01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:48,559 you know, a late first rounder and basically dead money, was a 1012 01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:53,239 good swing to take on a guy that everyone agrees had tons of talent. 1013 01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:56,960 But now we're on like stop seven in his career. We know now that 1014 01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,760 it's just like, although I've already sort of talked myself into into him working 1015 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,840 out in LA, I'll be wrong again, probably, And then I guess 1016 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:10,039 I must not have thought the Brunson departure was as bad as it turned out 1017 01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:15,519 to be. And you know, really The issue with the Brunson thing is 1018 01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:18,679 them, is them not signing him to whatever, that incredibly cheap deal with 1019 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,679 like the fifty million dollar one that they could have. I don't know, 1020 01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:27,199 I forget when a year before should also be the spin of like, well 1021 01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,960 he didn't really give us some opportunity. Yeah right, this has got to 1022 01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:33,039 go. Just I'm gonna go down to an F. I was at a 1023 01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:36,679 C minus. I'll go I'm not gonna go F minus. I see you 1024 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,039 want to take the floor because I see you've already given an F minus. 1025 01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:44,119 I mean, I was so low to begin with the jail losing Jalen Brunson, 1026 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,880 regardless of how it happened, when it happened, when you actually lost 1027 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,159 him, was it months before, a year before whatever? You lost him? 1028 01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:55,840 And he turned into an All NBA caliber player with the Knicks who had 1029 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,719 shitty ass spacing around him, and so imagine what happens when they actually put 1030 01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:02,119 real facing around it was like, imagine what Shay's gonna do if oka se 1031 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,159 can open up the floor for him more consistently moving forward? And then the 1032 01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:11,599 Christian would deal, which I actually liked, ends up being a complete disaster, 1033 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,039 like just like, and I will say the look of giving up a 1034 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,440 first round pick to get him is bad. I don't know who, Like, 1035 01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:23,039 are you that high on Wendell Moore or Blake Wesley or Nikola Yovic or 1036 01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:26,400 Peyton Wattson? Okay, sure, Andrew demhard would have been fun for this 1037 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,400 team with Joe and Brunson leaving. I will say that, yeah so I 1038 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,960 but it just it looks bad. You what did they do? What did 1039 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,559 they do that was good last off season? I guess Jayden Hardy at number 1040 01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,320 thirty time, I mean the Javal McGee deal was probably the worst contract of 1041 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,360 the off season. Well that's an that one is like indicative of dysfunction too, 1042 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,079 right, because it seems like he was promised the starting job, or 1043 01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:49,840 at least it was made, you know, promises maybe too strong, but 1044 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,559 he certainly thought he was going to start, and he just wasn't playing at 1045 01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:57,760 all within like a few weeks. So just a huge miss, which like 1046 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,599 that wasn't gonna be a good signing no matter what. But they really like 1047 01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:03,280 turned it into a yeah, how are you not going if minus or it's 1048 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:08,719 Jade Hardy your most improved player pack, I'm not sure I'm not sure we 1049 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,199 did give the Wizards an F minus. But if that who here's a fun 1050 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,800 question. I mean, probably the Wizards had the worst offseason because I think 1051 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,880 it really handicapped their future more because because the Mavericks have Luca and the Wizards 1052 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,680 don't. And that's when it comes down to, well, yeah, I 1053 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,399 mean, if the Wizards are the standard, I want my F minus to 1054 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,079 mean something, and so I'm not going to give more than one. That's 1055 01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:33,840 that's my reasoning. It has nothing to do with how bad the off season 1056 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,960 was. It's just there's got to be the one terrible, worst one, 1057 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,159 and that's going to be Washington. Well, with with all due respect, 1058 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:47,760 you're a coward. That's just where I land on that. The Houston Rockets 1059 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:53,319 are me okay, And they drafted Jabari Smith at number three, drafted Harry 1060 01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:55,840 East at number seventeen. We both loved him. Hey, look, they 1061 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,600 were on the other side of the Christian Wood trade. They sure were. 1062 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,680 I'm not gonna go through the details because you just did. They acquired thy 1063 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:08,800 Ty Washington and Mini twenty twenty five two twenty seven seconds for when no More 1064 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,279 at number twenty six. They signed Jason Tait to a three year, twenty 1065 01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,319 two point one million dollars deal, team option on the final season, agreed 1066 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:16,880 to a buy out with John Wall. He gave them back about six and 1067 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,720 a half million dollars and that's all the big stuff we have. They let 1068 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:28,039 Dennis Schroder leave at that point. Did look they did lose traveling Queen who 1069 01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:30,439 was the MVP of the Brunson League. Apparently I have that had the notes. 1070 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:31,880 I don't know why, I why I felt the need to put that 1071 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,800 there. Did anything else happen after that? After August fifteen? That that 1072 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:42,960 I'm missing. We are missing the Kevin Porter junior contract extension, which is 1073 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,439 sort of topical depending on when this comes out. But that did for anyone 1074 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,960 who wants to hear it. We did not ignore it. I recorded about 1075 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,039 a ten minute intro on it. The allegations against him are terrible, and 1076 01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:59,399 I have no patience for people who are saying that training him is okay and 1077 01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,720 it's part of the business. Why should they be penalized They knew maybe they 1078 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:08,680 didn't know that Kevin and I was this, but the contract doesn't suggest it 1079 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,600 proves that they understood he was a wild card off the court and you should 1080 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,560 not be able to but they're not the victims here, and you should not 1081 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,279 be able to profit off of domestic violence. And I mean that for a 1082 01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:21,880 team that would trade for him as well, because you could say, yeah, 1083 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,560 they're just gonna waive him. They're still capitalizing. Why is Kevin Porter 1084 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:31,239 Junior gonna have any picks attached to him because he beat the shit out of 1085 01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:38,840 his girlfriend, Kira Godresik, and that opportunity wouldn't be there if the domestic 1086 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,199 violence then happened. They should absolutely be destroyed for this deal. I don't 1087 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:45,319 know if you saw Grant the piece that came out of Clutch Points. If 1088 01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:50,399 even half of the information that article is true, this extension is worth f 1089 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:59,159 infinite minuses on its own and just absolutely an abhorrent shit from the Houston Rockets, 1090 01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:03,399 just complete total It's not ignorance, it's they enabled this. They enabled 1091 01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:08,199 this, and it's it's disgusting, it's heartbreaking. So we did cover it 1092 01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,920 in a previous podcast, but just wanted to throw that there so people didn't 1093 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,479 think we were glossing over it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know 1094 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,479 what to do with it as like a transaction because it's just difficult to separate 1095 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,439 talking about it as a transaction, and so it's it has to be compartmentalized 1096 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,960 in the sense that it's gonna detract from their grade. But it's not, 1097 01:11:27,319 --> 01:11:30,520 Yeah, we're not grading this is you know what I mean. It's just 1098 01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,399 I think, yeah, I don't I don't really like I I don't know 1099 01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,680 what to do with it. It's basically, it's three non guaranteed years after 1100 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:41,520 this upcoming one, right, and it's like fifteen points something million, and 1101 01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:45,920 whether he gets that contract gets traded or not, I don't know. I 1102 01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:47,479 don't know what to do with it. Like so we I guess we could 1103 01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,800 just leave it aside and try to try to pivot to like the other moves. 1104 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,399 I could set an F minus as an organization. That's that's the more 1105 01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,399 important. I don't want to grade it, but like, that's that's what 1106 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,279 this is. If it's not, I don't even know what I gave them. 1107 01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:03,479 I don't have their grade pulled up. Since we're doing these off the 1108 01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,359 cuff, which has made it more fun, by the way, not this 1109 01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,680 topic specifically, Oh my god, this is yeah, right, you're gonna 1110 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,439 have to figure out how to I honestly don't know how to reconcile it and 1111 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,439 don't want to offend anyone, but like I honestly, if we're doing it 1112 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,199 through those terms, I like Jabari Smith Jr. I like try Eason. 1113 01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:23,920 Did you even finish going through their transactions? I'm sorry, please go No, 1114 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,640 no, you you've hit it. That was it. That was the 1115 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,399 only one we didn't get to. I'm like, I mean, I don't, 1116 01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,800 I honestly don't know what to do with this. It's not an incomplete 1117 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,479 I mean it, first of all, it deserves to go because of this, 1118 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,520 And just like I don't know that Jay Shawn tad extension, he was 1119 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,840 really banged up. I guess you did get rid of John wall I still 1120 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,159 really like Jabari Smith and Tory Eason. As we mentioned, I don't I 1121 01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:53,399 mean the Christian would trade worked. I don't. We probably should have discussed 1122 01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,279 this before we got I don't know what to do with it. Like, 1123 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,319 well, here here I'll tell you what I we can. We can just 1124 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,720 not discuss Porter because I don't think he would have been a huge factor in 1125 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,479 our thinking on the overall team grade. It wouldn't have been in mind because 1126 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:10,640 I never really liked him that much as a player anyway. But so I 1127 01:13:11,079 --> 01:13:14,119 suspect that because I was higher than you, you're a minus. I was 1128 01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:20,359 an a. I gotta believe I saw the drafting of Jabari Smith Junior at 1129 01:13:20,399 --> 01:13:24,840 three as a huge win because and maybe it was all a smoke screen, 1130 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,399 like he was gonna go first. I think most people thought up until draft 1131 01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,359 night, so that's probably I probably viewed that as a big value pick. 1132 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,680 He had a rough first season, and especially rough like first, you know, 1133 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:40,199 several months of his rookie season. I do think most people, and 1134 01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:43,880 I would count myself among them, are pretty optimistic still about what kind of 1135 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,399 player he can become. I don't think he's a superstar. I think he's 1136 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:50,319 a very gonna be a very good two way player on good teams. We 1137 01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:54,199 both loved Tarry Eason. I think we both loved him like from the jump, 1138 01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:59,840 just because of the player type that he is. We've also we have 1139 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,840 a type on this podcast that's it is him, But I still am kind 1140 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:09,720 of I guess we must have liked getting out from under John Wallace contract. 1141 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,920 It's hard to still looking back at this figure out how we both got into 1142 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:18,159 the A range I gotta downgrade it significantly though, because Smith is not a 1143 01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:23,960 franchise alterer and Eason's a nice player, but you know, maybe a starter 1144 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,000 down the line, maybe like a bench energy guy. So I'm gonna go 1145 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:34,039 and just forget Porter. I guess I'm gonna go down to just a like 1146 01:14:34,039 --> 01:14:38,920 a C C plus because I think getting out from under Wall, now that 1147 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,359 I think about it, is a pretty pretty good move. I'm actually pretty 1148 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,479 high Underbarri Smith Junior. Still don't think he has that upside. I'm going 1149 01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,920 with I'm going with an F because and I am factory Kevin Porter Jujor in 1150 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,039 the sense that even if you want to say, stick to basketball bro. 1151 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,560 In the piece of clutch Points, they talk about how the reason al Prude 1152 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,439 Shan Goud wasn't playing as much was because they wanted to have a lob threat 1153 01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,640 on the four. For Kevin Porter Jr. You tailored your team then entirely 1154 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:08,880 too much around this guy who clearly didn't think or weren't you weren't sure that 1155 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,479 he was gonna be able to be a stable part of your team. That 1156 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,880 shows a really big disconnect. But maybe a D minus because I liked try 1157 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,079 Easton and Jabari Smith Junior. You're mentioning getting out of wall or I'll go 1158 01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:25,760 D plus, but divorcing from the domestic violence allegations, if you were actually 1159 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:31,600 planning your team and your direction around Kevin Porter Junior, that tightly why it's 1160 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,600 not even I don't know how I felt about him as a player. I 1161 01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:38,079 went on Simon on Lee's podcast a few times with a past year I talked 1162 01:15:38,119 --> 01:15:41,760 about he thought Kevin Porter Junior was a better playmaker than I did. I 1163 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,159 just never saw the theory of what they were trying to turn him into. 1164 01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,760 Doesn't mean I hate him as a player, but you're taking that player like 1165 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:53,000 that. That's like the Jazz plating their future around Jordan Clarkson. Basically, 1166 01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:58,199 it's how I look at it. So that's like disturbing from a basketball perspective. 1167 01:15:58,359 --> 01:16:01,720 Yeah, sure, so that was who that was. Hopefully we did 1168 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:06,760 navigate those waters too. Happy. Never been happier to move on to the 1169 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:12,039 Memphis Grizzlies, who I think I have right. Yeah, we'll just say 1170 01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:15,279 happy. Uh. Scientist Jones two year, twenty nine million dollars deal sign 1171 01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:18,600 John Morant, who his five year extension worth one ninety two point nine. 1172 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,439 It's a designated rookie extension with no options, and can get up to thirty 1173 01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,279 percent of the cap if he makes all NBA, which I guess now he 1174 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,039 just can't this year, so he's not gonna get thirty percent, I think 1175 01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:34,000 under any circumstances. I'm trying to think. I never remember the specifics if 1176 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:36,720 there was exceptions, but I don't know. If it's a suspension, is 1177 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,880 going to count as an exception. I wouldn't think that that it would not 1178 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,359 looked looked the way it's been framed is that it's potentially cost him tens of 1179 01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:46,199 millions of dollars. So we're just gonna assume he's not eligible. So that 1180 01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:54,560 deal looks better now. Got Kennedy Chandler at number thirty eight from the Spurs 1181 01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,399 for the Lakers twenty four second and a million bucks, signed him to a 1182 01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,039 two year, seven point one million dollars deal, extended head coach Taylor Jenkins 1183 01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:05,479 for a couple more years. Got Jake la Ravia for Walker Kessler. They 1184 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:11,319 forgot their involvement in the go bear trade anyway, and I don't think they 1185 01:17:11,359 --> 01:17:14,520 ever actually had a chance to keep Kessler. Is that right? Because this 1186 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,760 is gonna look a lot worse if they did and failed to ended up with 1187 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:23,279 David Roddy and Danny Green for d Anthony Melton not in love with that one. 1188 01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:27,399 Signed John Conchar to a three year nineteen million dollar deal or extension, 1189 01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,039 I should say all fully guaranteed. Uh. Signed Kenny lofton junior or the 1190 01:17:31,079 --> 01:17:33,960 second. I can't remember how he prefers to call it to a two way. 1191 01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:40,800 Kyle Anderson left, that's we don't. Jared Colver unsigned and probably will 1192 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:45,000 be unsigned in perpetuity. Uh. That that's all. That's all I got. 1193 01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,800 Sorry for the shots fired at Jared Cover. Yeah, what was Jared 1194 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:54,000 Colver's out of your catching straight? Great? Damn. So let's see. 1195 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,560 I've already looked at the grades. I gave them a C. You gave 1196 01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,680 the Grizzlies a C minus. I can vaguely remember our broad criticism of the 1197 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,720 Grizzlies offseason, but I'm curious you're a little lower on them, So I 1198 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,399 wonder if you do too. Did you know this? I'm trying to understand 1199 01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,119 what was happening with the Walker Kessler pick. I might have like I thought 1200 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:17,199 there was a typo with the notes, but Like, did you know that 1201 01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:23,720 the Jazz are like originally owned the Walker Kessler pick that they ended up with 1202 01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:29,159 in twenty nineteen. That pick was traded as a future two twenty two first 1203 01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:32,119 with Grayson Allen, Darius Basley and Jake Crowder and Kyle Korver two of the 1204 01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:35,960 Grizzlies for Mike Conley. Like, that pick was part of the Mike Conley 1205 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:42,359 trade? How did it end up in Minnesota? Uh? It was traded 1206 01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:45,159 by the Grizzlies with ty Ty Washington to the Timberwolves from Jake la Ravia at 1207 01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:50,760 a twenty twenty three second that turned into Gregory Jackson, and then the Timberwolves 1208 01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:56,560 turned around and traded this pick with Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley blermo, oh 1209 01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,079 no, that's not I'm sorry, that's the Gobert one. So that's like, 1210 01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:02,920 that's how it ended up back in Utah. That kind of funny. 1211 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:08,119 Could they could they have just kept that pick and drafted Kessler? Yeah? 1212 01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:12,560 Why couldn't unless I'm missing something they chose to like they wanted Jake Labia teams 1213 01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,159 Like, No, I mean that's tough to justify in hindsight, but but 1214 01:19:16,279 --> 01:19:21,359 okay, I mean, like, could you imagine Walker Kessler and Jared Jackson 1215 01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:25,960 Junior in the same front court. Good, yeah, all all of the 1216 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,239 shots get blocked in that situation. There's like, no, every team's gonna 1217 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:33,039 shoot like twenty percent. Wow, that looks I guess I didn't process this 1218 01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:39,079 in real time, but like they gave Walker Kessler and number twenty nine to 1219 01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:43,960 move up three spots. I'm so unsure that they actually could have gotten Kessler 1220 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,680 that I'm not going to think about this in terms of my regrade because I 1221 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:51,680 don't want to be wrong about it. But do you remember our blanket criticism 1222 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:56,840 of the Grizzlies offseason They didn't make a swing? Yep? Yeah, I 1223 01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:01,920 think and we we talked to Keith per about this a little bit in their 1224 01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:05,439 their look ahead, the Grizzlies look Ahead, and it might have been the 1225 01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,359 case that like that swing just was never there, so we were being unfair. 1226 01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:13,880 But I still, I still, I'm still a little bit annoyed that 1227 01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,800 they didn't just go get like the guy or a guy. I suspect that 1228 01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:23,079 that's the main reason we were both in the sea range for them. Dude, 1229 01:20:23,159 --> 01:20:27,560 I have to I might I'm gonna bump them down to a D minus. 1230 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,720 I have to factor in the Walker Kessler stuff here. Maybe they never 1231 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,359 would have picked all right, how do you here's the thing, sorry, 1232 01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:38,640 I hold on, hold on. Nobody, nobody knew Walker Kessler was gonna 1233 01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:43,479 be Walker. That's that's they never would have picked him, and they were 1234 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,000 also they were then fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty teams 1235 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,840 that passed on him as well. That's fair, I got, But that 1236 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,479 is I like, I didn't process in real time that one the Jazz initially 1237 01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,640 owned the Walker Castle. I didn't. I forgot that too. And then 1238 01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,720 the journey, like the Grizzlies having it was just not something I remember. 1239 01:21:01,159 --> 01:21:05,479 So I I'm gonna pump them down to a D anyway, because it was 1240 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:10,399 clear, just based off they were still really good. Again, it was 1241 01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,640 clear that they should have taken a swing and they didn't. And then you 1242 01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,640 wait for a swing that I'm just repeating what you said. That's kind of 1243 01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:18,880 I don't want to say underwhelming, but it's I would say it's a modest 1244 01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:24,039 swing. Or you boxed yourself into a corner to where you needed, like 1245 01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:28,920 a player to fill so many different roles that you maybe couldn't take the swing 1246 01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,319 that you wanted, or now you split your swings into two where you couldn't 1247 01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:35,680 do like a true consolidation. Yeah, I think I gotta move down a 1248 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:41,880 little bit because the Marcus Smart trade, I think you're we're making the same 1249 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,079 point, does sort of prove that you did need that guy or a guy, 1250 01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:50,520 and Marcus Smart is not the ideal fit there. I'm just gonna go 1251 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,279 see Minus. Just just move it down a little bit because otherwise, like, 1252 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,720 I don't see anything I hate here. You know, the Merant deal 1253 01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,840 was like, of course you do that. Tias Joe was a good value. 1254 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,880 He's gone now, but you know, oh yeah, I'll go. 1255 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,439 I'll go see Minus too. I'm being cute. Yeah see Minus, all 1256 01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:12,680 right, I forgot you are right. I didn't even think of it in 1257 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,479 those terms from the team perspective, the contract itself. I guess he's considered 1258 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:20,159 more of a risk now, but we know he can play. It's like 1259 01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:25,920 having him on that without the all NBA escalator mattering. That's a that's good 1260 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,479 for this. I'll go. I'll go see Midus house Man. These these 1261 01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,960 past two teams have been very loaded, right, Can we please get to. 1262 01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,039 I don't know, because you have the Pelicans now that you're gonna have 1263 01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:36,880 to talk through. I'm oh, don't worry, I'm ready. I'm ready 1264 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:41,119 to talk about the Pelicans craft. Don't you worry. Drafted Dyson Daniels at 1265 01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,760 number eight, Drafted EJ. Liddell at number forty one, who tours ACL. 1266 01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:46,960 They signed Zion Williams into a five year, one hundred ninety two point 1267 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:53,520 nine million dollars extension. It does have the all NBA escalators, which clearly 1268 01:22:54,079 --> 01:22:56,359 doesn't matter now because that is kicking in. He did not make it. 1269 01:22:57,079 --> 01:23:00,000 There's a weight and body fat percentage where he must total under two ninety five 1270 01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:04,640 protections on a year to year basis that we're not fully clear at the time. 1271 01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:09,479 And I actually I don't know if you've dug into what those protections might 1272 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:13,359 look like. Now, it's pretty they're not like I don't want to say 1273 01:23:13,359 --> 01:23:16,600 they're not real protections, but like he needs to have this career ending injury 1274 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,319 or something like. That's how they're innoculated against it. And I don't think 1275 01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:23,079 that's a I don't know if that's a win for the organization. I think 1276 01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:25,399 to not have to fully guarantee it, okay if you want to look at 1277 01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:29,239 it that way, but I think I kind of fall into the camp of 1278 01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,880 if Zion Williamson had even if you guaranteed the money, whether it's not guaranteed, 1279 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:36,840 whether it's like it is, you're just absolutely screwed if he becomes a 1280 01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:41,960 someone who can't be moved because he's injured, whether his money is guaranteed or 1281 01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:45,119 not. So and the protections, by the way, like still TBD per 1282 01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:49,600 SPO track like we don't. I don't know that they're public knowledge moving right 1283 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,760 along though, that is it that they did. They lost Tony Snell, 1284 01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:58,439 so that's a big one, am I forgetting anything that happened after August fifteenth. 1285 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,439 A couple of extensions, the first of which is CJ. McCollum two 1286 01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:06,199 years sixty four million added on to his deal. Larry Nance Junior also extended 1287 01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:11,840 I don't have let me two years and twenty one point six million. Pretty 1288 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,960 darn good for a guy that closed a lot of games for you. So 1289 01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:16,479 and the McCollum one, I think is kind of just, you know, 1290 01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,840 slightly above market, but he's a name, and that's not a ridiculous extension. 1291 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:26,840 I guess for him. I gave the Pelicans, as I look here 1292 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:32,079 now a B. You had them at an A minus. I wonder why 1293 01:24:32,079 --> 01:24:36,319 I was so much lower than you. Probably I was just I've definitely been 1294 01:24:36,359 --> 01:24:43,000 completely out on Zion as a franchise cornerstone at points, and this was probably 1295 01:24:43,039 --> 01:24:47,119 one of those where I was just like too scared of the downside of signing 1296 01:24:47,159 --> 01:24:51,880 him to that deal, and maybe maybe unrealistically suggesting that the Pelicans should have 1297 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:57,640 waited a year or whatever, Like I don't know how plausible that would have 1298 01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,560 been for them. I gotta believe that that's why I was so negative or 1299 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,720 relative. I mean, it's still a bee so negative, give them like 1300 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,880 a really high grade negative relative to you. Are you changing anything here? 1301 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,159 Has anything has enough changed? Or have we learned enough to feel differently about 1302 01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:19,840 this offseason? I think so you could view the CJ. McCollum extension as 1303 01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:23,279 more of a net negative. I still just don't think it's a bad deal. 1304 01:25:23,319 --> 01:25:26,359 Maybe it's a slight negative. I think the bigger miss here one. 1305 01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,239 I like Dyson Daniels a lot more than I did coming out. He is 1306 01:25:29,279 --> 01:25:34,479 already like caps Loft bold text italics defender and that's great. The questions about 1307 01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:38,880 a shooting there's real. Him and Ushman Jang are two guys I'm fascinated with 1308 01:25:39,039 --> 01:25:42,319 because when you watch them on the ball, whether it's they're actually handling it 1309 01:25:42,399 --> 01:25:45,960 or they need to just make quick passes while they're on movement with maybe out 1310 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,359 even ever putting that ball on the floor, they have that feel. But 1311 01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,840 what does the shooting look like? Because those are gonna be huge swing pieces. 1312 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,399 So I liked that more. The Larry Yang's junior extension. We probably 1313 01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,760 were high on it. I think it looks even better just in the current 1314 01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:03,119 cap where the Zion Williams and stuff. I probably have the same view is 1315 01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:06,399 because this was not an injury that was chronic. This was just another injury 1316 01:26:06,399 --> 01:26:10,560 creeping up. What else were you supposed to do in this situation had you 1317 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,479 waited until this year? What would that actually? I mean, are you 1318 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,560 getting him for what? Would he not have gotten the max in restricted free 1319 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,560 agencies? So maybe you save a little bit of money. I'm gonna keep 1320 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:26,399 it an a mins because I do think they I don't know they probably they 1321 01:26:26,399 --> 01:26:30,079 should have been more aggressive in acquiring shooting. I know they had Trey Murphy. 1322 01:26:30,119 --> 01:26:33,079 But like even this offseason, you kind of look back and it's should 1323 01:26:33,079 --> 01:26:36,520 they have changed up like the front court to include more shooting. Should they 1324 01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,680 looked at getting a guard who could shoot better. They're really gonna look like 1325 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:45,199 rely on or not rely But with the Trey Murphy injury, now Jordan Hawkins 1326 01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:47,079 could be really important as a rookie. It's kind of the same stories last 1327 01:26:47,119 --> 01:26:53,039 season when you look at where they struggled at times this year. My counterpoint 1328 01:26:53,079 --> 01:26:56,039 of that is their defense, by and large was great. They're good at 1329 01:26:56,039 --> 01:27:00,079 rebounding. They can limit opportunities in transition guys are for the most part, 1330 01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:02,640 they don't. They're not good at protecting the rim, but they limit how 1331 01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,279 much opponents get to the rim, which is a big deal. And then 1332 01:27:05,319 --> 01:27:10,600 their offense when Zion Williamson was on the floor spacing be fucked was just still 1333 01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,760 one hundred and ninety points pro an hundre possession or something. I'm gonna leave 1334 01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,399 it the same. There were still some missed opportunities. I still remain this 1335 01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:21,000 will be the year if Zion can't play in sixty games or most of the 1336 01:27:21,039 --> 01:27:25,479 season, like maybe they rest them whatever with the new rules within it. 1337 01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:30,239 That's when I will go back and relitigate did they make a mistake. I'm 1338 01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:32,840 just reticent to call it a mistake because to me, in the situation that 1339 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,359 the Pelicans are in your path to a title, is betting on this guy 1340 01:27:36,359 --> 01:27:41,399 and it working out right, And not only that, consider the market. 1341 01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:45,319 Consider again. I'm just I know everyone's sick of this, but like as 1342 01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:49,319 an asset preservation, like if you are not going to build the title contender 1343 01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:53,800 in New Orleans around him, you can theoretically trade him like that for something 1344 01:27:54,359 --> 01:27:58,560 as opposed to like, So yeah, I was trying to decide, like 1345 01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,880 how differently I feel about Zion's outlook on this deal now versus a year ago. 1346 01:28:04,039 --> 01:28:09,159 And I think you probably have to feel worse because he did miss another 1347 01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:15,239 season and he did have some like maturity slash off court slash decision making issues 1348 01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:19,880 that you know, it doesn't matter as much as him not playing basketball for 1349 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:25,880 most of the year, but it's also not nothing. So I think I 1350 01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,520 feel a little worse about it, and since that's the biggest thing, I 1351 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,439 should move the grade down. But again, I think you're right, Like 1352 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,800 what else were you gonna do in this situation? Like can you imagine if 1353 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,520 they had said, we're gonna wait a year. We're just we're not going 1354 01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:42,439 to extend you yet. I think then the Zion's getting out of New Orleans 1355 01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,159 goes crazy and you have to deal with that. Despite his injury, if 1356 01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:49,000 he didn't sign an extension, would he have just taken a qualifying offer? 1357 01:28:49,079 --> 01:28:53,359 Would have been though they're offering you a like someone was going you would have 1358 01:28:53,399 --> 01:28:56,720 gotten a four year max offer from someone on the open market. Anyways, 1359 01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,199 he just would have signed that weren't offering it. So that's a very roundabout 1360 01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:02,640 way of saying, I'm just gonna leave it too. I'm gonna call it 1361 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:06,960 a be I just can't. I guess I can't penalize the Pelicans for that 1362 01:29:08,039 --> 01:29:12,920 deal. And that's really, you know, with respected you know, Dyson 1363 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,920 Daniels is someone we both like looking pretty good as a number eight pick. 1364 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,720 I think it's just all the Zion thing, and I guess maybe my opinion 1365 01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:24,000 hasn't changed enough to really move that great Do you want to take us to 1366 01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:27,000 the San Antonio Spurs? And I'm kicking myself right now because I have not 1367 01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,560 time stamped the Pelicans or the Rockets and now I'm gonna have to go back 1368 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:38,239 and post what do the peek behind the bummer curtain? All right? So 1369 01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,560 gosh, this feels like a thousand years ago. But the Spurs traded de 1370 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,920 jan Ta Murray and Jacque Landale to the Hawks for Danielle Gallinari, who has 1371 01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:48,960 waived Charlott's twenty three first with the top sixteen top fourteen protection in twenty four 1372 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:54,600 and twenty five respectively. Got a twenty five first unprotected from from the Hawks, 1373 01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,640 got swap rights in twenty six, and got twenty seven unprotected first from 1374 01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,520 the Hawks. Drafted Jeremy Sohan at number nine, Malachi brand I'm at twenty, 1375 01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,479 Blake Wesley at twenty five, got Kelvin Johnson on a four year, 1376 01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:11,479 seventy four million dollar extension. Some unlikely bonuses can bring that to eighty, 1377 01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,720 which would still be a darn good deal, claimed Isaiah Robie. Traded Kennedy 1378 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,600 Chandler, who we mentioned already to the Grizzlies for the Lakers twenty four second 1379 01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:25,600 and a million bucks. Lost Lonnie Walker the fourth to the Lakers. And 1380 01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:31,560 that is all I have unless unless we have any wire moves, you know, 1381 01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,960 after August. So there was the Josh Premo stuff. He got waved 1382 01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:43,880 by San Antonio after allegations of sexual assault from a therapis therapist or psychologist that 1383 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,800 worked for the team. They did also signed Charles Bassey to a two way 1384 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:53,439 contract after we recorded. I don't know this is this is another morally tough 1385 01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,159 franchise to handle because how do you view the Josh Premos. They knew about 1386 01:30:57,159 --> 01:31:00,680 the allegations way before they waived him, and that was in response to the 1387 01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:04,760 not the allegations, but the allegations becoming public. Yeah, I mean, 1388 01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,000 I don't mean to give that. I was a dismissive. Yeah, it 1389 01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:10,119 was like I was gonna say, yeah, but I don't care about that. 1390 01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:14,520 Of course that's a huge deal. I just like they did waive him 1391 01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:20,199 though, you know, like they did they and that's yeah, they did. 1392 01:31:20,279 --> 01:31:24,399 They did make the right decision and they did it. I mean, 1393 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,000 you know, he was a high pick and he was really young. Like 1394 01:31:27,039 --> 01:31:30,039 there's definitely a franchises around the league that would have, I think probably not 1395 01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:34,720 gone that route. So I'll be honest, like, I'm not going to 1396 01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:39,600 factor Josh Primo, mostly because as I was thinking about this, he wasn't 1397 01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,600 on the list and I'm you know, already kind of made up my mind 1398 01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,840 about what I'm gonna do for the Spurs here. But unless you have more 1399 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,479 to say about Primo, like are you, I don't see you. We 1400 01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:54,760 both we gave really high grades to the Spurs and I'm not seeing a reason 1401 01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:58,800 to change anything. Yeah, i'd probably leave we both had a's. I'd 1402 01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:03,039 probably leave it as a when looking at the transactions, and I'm not We're 1403 01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:06,199 not dismissing the Josh Primo stuff at all, like we could bump them down 1404 01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:11,880 to an A minus for not that's like it was different because they weren't planning 1405 01:32:12,079 --> 01:32:15,439 These are regrades and I'm not trying to marginalize the real, more important off 1406 01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:19,359 court shit that's happening. They were not tailoring their team around Josh Primo to 1407 01:32:19,359 --> 01:32:24,000 the extent that the Rockets apparently were with Kevin Porter Jr. And that's what's 1408 01:32:24,359 --> 01:32:29,000 so disturbing about the Rockets organizationally. Yeah, that No, that's totally. 1409 01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,800 If that's a big distinction to draw, I think it's it's two very different 1410 01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:36,399 situations. I mean, like some hits here, so in at nine, 1411 01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:42,600 I mean like that we both love him Kelvin Johnson, I'm, you know, 1412 01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,720 gonna be something less than a than a star, like might not make 1413 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,720 an All Star game, probably won't make an All Star Game, but wouldn't 1414 01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,520 be crazy if he did. For average annual value of less than twenty million. 1415 01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:57,560 That's like, that's good business. The Murray trade I think looks really 1416 01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,560 great, even though he did extend. And part of the reason I think 1417 01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:04,640 san Antonio moved him was that he wasn't gonna how about look you if you 1418 01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:09,920 want to in theory, I'm not gonna ratchet it up. If you don't 1419 01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:14,159 trade de Jontay Murray, you probably don't have Victor Webberian. No. I 1420 01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:17,520 mean that's I think that's a given right Like that's I mean, unless did 1421 01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:21,680 Murray get injured and or something. You know, your odds are way worse, 1422 01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:28,520 like wick like, like significantly worse. And there's it turned out there 1423 01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,399 was nothing more important this season for the Spurs than maximizing those odds. So 1424 01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,640 yeah, that that's a great point. The other and I really quickly on 1425 01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:39,000 Kelln Johnson, it doesn't even matter to me. I don't I would bet 1426 01:33:39,039 --> 01:33:41,760 against if you gave me point five All Star games for his career, I'd 1427 01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:45,399 take the under. But as of right now, and these proteciers can actually 1428 01:33:45,399 --> 01:33:48,039 go up, he is never on this deal the highest, the most, 1429 01:33:48,359 --> 01:33:51,920 the largest share of the cap he will ever account for his next season at 1430 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:57,720 fourteen point seven percent. Yeah, like he's a starter for most teams in 1431 01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,760 the league, right, I mean there's I'm kind of disenchanted. I don't 1432 01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,199 know that he can broaden his offensive horizons, like I was hoping the you 1433 01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:06,920 know, the off the dribble jumper or something, maybe even the above the 1434 01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:11,479 break three in general feels kind of shaky, but just a home run deal. 1435 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,079 So I wouldn't change a grade there. I'll recap these very quickly, 1436 01:34:15,119 --> 01:34:17,560 but I don't I didn't jop down your Minnesota Timberwolves regrade. You went from 1437 01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:21,319 a B to it was it a D? I probably had to Let's see, 1438 01:34:21,319 --> 01:34:24,640 you went down two full. I bet I went down to a D. 1439 01:34:25,079 --> 01:34:27,279 Let's call it. I thought that's I just didn't want to do it 1440 01:34:27,279 --> 01:34:30,800 on your behalf. So let's recap here the doubt very quickly. The Dallas 1441 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,039 Mavericks. I gave them initially a D minus. Grant gave them a C 1442 01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:38,239 minus. I gave them an F minus. Grant gave them an F. 1443 01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,640 In the regrades, the Denver Nuggets, we first I gave them a B. 1444 01:34:42,079 --> 01:34:44,920 Grant gave them an A minus. We both bumped them up to A 1445 01:34:45,119 --> 01:34:47,760 plus is the Golden State Warriors, we both gave them a B. I 1446 01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,439 knocked them down to a C plus. Grant knocked them down to a B 1447 01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:55,279 minus. The Houston Rockets, I had an A minus, Grant had an 1448 01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:58,279 A. I bumped them down to a D minus. Grant bumped them down 1449 01:34:58,319 --> 01:35:01,800 to a C minus. The Los Angeles Clippers, I gave an A minus. 1450 01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,880 Grant gave an A. We both bumped them down to a B. 1451 01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:08,680 The Lakers, I had a D plus, Grant had a D minus. 1452 01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,760 I bumped them up to a C minus. Grant bumped them up to a 1453 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,199 D plus. The Grizzlies, I gave them a C minus. Grant gave 1454 01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:17,319 them a C. I stayed at a C minus. Grant knocked them down 1455 01:35:17,399 --> 01:35:23,439 to a C minus. The Minnesota Timberwolves B plus from me and a B 1456 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,960 from Grant. Initially I bumped them down to a D plus. Grant gave 1457 01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,920 them a D as he just mentioned it before. I had an A minus 1458 01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,520 for the Pelicans, Grant had a B. We both stayed the same A 1459 01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,159 minus for the Pelicans from me, B for the Pelicans from Grant. The 1460 01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:40,439 Oklahoma City Thunder a's from both of us that were bumped up to A pluses 1461 01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,479 from both of us. The Phoenix Suns, I gave them a B plus, 1462 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,159 Grant gave them a B minus. I bumped them. I kept them 1463 01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:48,520 at a B plus. Grant left them at a B minus as well. 1464 01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,199 The Blazers, I gave them a B. Grant gave them a B plus. 1465 01:35:53,279 --> 01:35:56,319 I went down to a C. Grant went down to a C plus. 1466 01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,960 The Kings, I gave them a B minus. Grant gave them a 1467 01:35:59,039 --> 01:36:01,680 D and we both gave them a's on the regrades. The Spurs, we 1468 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,399 both gave them as they stayed at a's. The Jazz I gave an A 1469 01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:10,680 minus, Grant gave an A They both we both gave them an A plus 1470 01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:14,680 on the second go around. That was these were I'm not gonna lie. 1471 01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:16,560 These were treacherous waters to navigate in the West compared to the East. They 1472 01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:20,319 were tough. They were tough for too many like off court reasons, unfortunately, 1473 01:36:20,399 --> 01:36:25,479 but I remember, oh go ahead, I was just gonna say, 1474 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:29,159 good exercise to do, because it really forces you to question, like your 1475 01:36:29,239 --> 01:36:31,960 way of thinking and hopefully refine it going forward. We'll see if that actually 1476 01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,720 happens. Your biggest miss was clearly, I mean, are both are Our 1477 01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:39,239 biggest miss was? Actually, your biggest miss was the Kings. I'm even 1478 01:36:39,279 --> 01:36:41,840 sure. Yeah, that's I went from a D to an A on them. 1479 01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,640 I don't think I did. I didn't go that far on the wolves 1480 01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,800 in the other direction, not quite so. Yeah, that was. These 1481 01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,520 are instructive. Hopefully you guys like these. If they do poorly, we 1482 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,039 won't do them again, probably because they are like a little they're a long 1483 01:36:54,079 --> 01:36:57,600 podcast, but hopefully you liked them, and we're trying to hold ourselves accountable 1484 01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,800 here. However, grant you know what time it is. I am accountables. 1485 01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,800 It's oh wait, no, I'm not taking us out. It's time 1486 01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:11,000 for garb It's it's the best time. Qu quick wit woll That is the 1487 01:37:11,039 --> 01:37:15,399 new garbage time sound if anyone watches the show Superstore. We are gonna just 1488 01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,039 go through. These are random exercises that we will eventually clip as shorts, 1489 01:37:18,039 --> 01:37:23,000 but they're kind of fun and instructive and the ones that we really enjoy will 1490 01:37:23,039 --> 01:37:27,680 probably bomb. So then and I do not give each other any notice on 1491 01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,199 what is coming. That's how garbage time works. And they are light, 1492 01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,479 they're digestible, they're fast. We're not justifying shit as we're doing it. 1493 01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,840 Do you want to start or do you want me to start? Okay, 1494 01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:43,600 I'm gonna start. I'll start with what you always do to me, which 1495 01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,840 is give me two players with stats they're somewhat similar in a particular area, 1496 01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:50,319 and force me to guess between the two of them, which has more of 1497 01:37:50,319 --> 01:37:56,239 them. Today we're talking about career triple doubles. Okay, I will give 1498 01:37:56,279 --> 01:37:59,560 you two players. You tell me who has more career triple doubles out of 1499 01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:04,199 these two plays. We start out with Draymond Green and Demontas Sabonis. Who's 1500 01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:11,279 got more domas by one great guest thirty two to thirty one? Blake Griffin 1501 01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,720 or DeMarcus Cousins. We don't have to be active players. If that wasn't 1502 01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:20,000 clear, Oh, I'm gonna say DeMarcus Cousins, it is Blake Griffin. 1503 01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:25,479 That is also a margin of one ten to nine. H Josh Giddy versus 1504 01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:29,279 Bam Autobio Oh, it's got to be giddy. You wouldn't have done this 1505 01:38:29,319 --> 01:38:34,840 otherwise. It is h Kyle Lowry versus Chris Paul A couple of vets. 1506 01:38:35,399 --> 01:38:40,920 Oh, Lowry, Kyle Lowry, excellent, you got it twenty one to 1507 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:46,640 eighteen. Alpern Singoon or Kyrie Irving Alpryn Schangun. It is Kyrie Irving three 1508 01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:50,800 to two. Damn it. Okay, that's all I got for that one. 1509 01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:55,680 So let's go back and forth on this. I'll give you mine. 1510 01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:00,439 I have this good luck on this grant. That's all I'm gonna say. 1511 01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:05,239 Which NBA player has received more MVP Award voting shares for their entire career? 1512 01:39:06,319 --> 01:39:15,000 Lebron James or Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Nope, it's Lebron James. 1513 01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:21,000 That's try though. Kobe Bryant or Shaquille O'Neill. I'm gonna say, Kobe, 1514 01:39:21,399 --> 01:39:29,680 Shaquille O'Neill, Kevin Durant or James Harden. Uh Kevin Kevin Durant, 1515 01:39:30,039 --> 01:39:35,640 James Harden at least close? At least Kevin Durant. They're close, Yes, 1516 01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:39,359 they're they're close. But I mean there's only two. You only have 1517 01:39:39,359 --> 01:39:42,680 two options here, so you're just wrong. I don't really going wrong every 1518 01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,960 time. I will let you know if there's a huge gap. And okay, 1519 01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:53,039 Steph Curry or NICOLEA. Yoki Oh jesus uh Yokich, Yes, correct, 1520 01:39:53,439 --> 01:40:01,119 Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook. I'm gonna say Chris Paul correct. Tracy 1521 01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:05,119 McGrady or Dwayne Wade. Oh, this is tough because Tracy McGrady was I 1522 01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:08,760 was Did you know? I was a Tracy over Kobe guy for a very 1523 01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:13,600 long time? Uh? Still are yeah? I mean kind of. I'm 1524 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:17,479 gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, Wade. It's Tracy McGrady. 1525 01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:23,159 Now you are terrible. Tracy McGrady, I overthought it. Paul George or 1526 01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:33,159 Damian Lillard, M. Paul George correct, Damar Derosen or Draymond Green who 1527 01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:42,520 Draymond correct? Nice job there? And Jimmy Butler or Donovan Mitchell. Oh, 1528 01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:48,039 Jimmy nope, Donovan Mitchell. And finally Daron Fox or Ben Simmons oh, 1529 01:40:48,319 --> 01:40:53,600 MVP Award Shares. Uh, I'm gonna say Ben Simmons, that is 1530 01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,880 correct. I was hoping I was gonna get you there. Nice job, 1531 01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,000 nice clothes. That was ugh, man, Oh, those are those are 1532 01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:03,600 possible? Okay, where do I want to go with you here? Okay, 1533 01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:08,159 this is kind of a little bit of a different one. I don't 1534 01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:11,199 think I even primed you for this one. We didn't prime each other for 1535 01:41:11,239 --> 01:41:13,760 anything, but I kind of told, hey, I got this, this 1536 01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,119 type of idea. I think this is You're totally cold on this one. 1537 01:41:17,039 --> 01:41:24,000 Uh. Last year, Dan, there were twenty five players who had fifty 1538 01:41:24,039 --> 01:41:27,239 points, or there were twenty five fifty point games I should say last year 1539 01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,720 accumulated by fourteen different players, so some had a few of them. The 1540 01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:34,840 most was four. Four guys had at least three. All I'm asking you 1541 01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:39,319 to do is name seven of the fourteen players who scored fifty points in a 1542 01:41:39,319 --> 01:41:46,720 game last year. Donovan Mitchell Correct, Damian Lillard? That's two? Uh? 1543 01:41:48,199 --> 01:41:51,560 Oh my god? Why is this already so tough? What did I 1544 01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:55,520 say, Donovan Mitchell? And who who's the other one that I got? 1545 01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:59,319 Dame? Dame Steph had fifty point? Did you inclue playoffs? Did you 1546 01:41:59,359 --> 01:42:01,760 have a fifty point play game? Regular season? Oh? I'm taking back 1547 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:10,520 by Steph Curry. Guess Lebron Uh no, fifty burgers for Lebron, James 1548 01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:17,239 Harden Uh none for James Joel embiid correct, that's three? So how much 1549 01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,119 I actually get three misses before I fail? Yeah? I think you've got 1550 01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:26,319 your will give you miss of two misses, already missed twice. Then well 1551 01:42:26,319 --> 01:42:29,159 I'm gonna say, no, you've got you've missed twice. You get one 1552 01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:34,039 more miss Oh my god? Why is this so hard? Jason Tatum? 1553 01:42:34,199 --> 01:42:44,239 Correct, you're missing the guy with the most the most fifty? Was he 1554 01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:47,560 the guy with the most? Yes? All right? How many is that? 1555 01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,119 Do I have? You got five? All right? All right? 1556 01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:54,319 I feel I feel a little bit better about this. Yo. Kids had 1557 01:42:54,359 --> 01:42:58,039 to have a fifty point game? Did he have a fifty point game? 1558 01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:01,920 I don't think he did. No, so close? You want some more 1559 01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:08,199 I can I can give you. I'll give you a bonus, guess I 1560 01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:13,159 don't. I feel like I don't deserve. Jannis had three? Okay, 1561 01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:18,039 all right, so that's six. H Zion didn't have one last year, 1562 01:43:18,079 --> 01:43:20,399 so I'm not gonna count that. I don't think Watchum Move had one. 1563 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:26,520 I don't think Shay hit fifty. I'm trying to think did Davis hit fifty? 1564 01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:30,520 There's some wild ones in here. There's some wild ones. I mean, 1565 01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:32,880 there's a few guys where you're like you'll remember them all. But when 1566 01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:39,720 I tell you, but oh man, I can't. I can't tap out 1567 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,920 anything like I'm gonna give you credit. I'm gonna give you a bonus correct 1568 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,119 answer because you did say steph and then moved off it and he had two. 1569 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,920 Damn it. You want to hear the rest, just for the Clay 1570 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:55,760 Thompson had one fifty four, Pascal Siakam had fifty two. Julius Randall had 1571 01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:00,640 fifty seven. Uh, Mitchell, you got Lillard. Drew Holiday had a 1572 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:04,000 fifty one. I remember that. Darius Garland also fifty one. Anthony Davis 1573 01:44:04,039 --> 01:44:08,159 had fifty five. Devin Booker had fifty eight and fifty one. He had 1574 01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:12,760 a pair of them. Oh Booker A damn it, moving off of Steff 1575 01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,640 and forgetting Booker. I can't forgive myself. That's those are rough, Grant. 1576 01:44:17,159 --> 01:44:19,880 This is gonna be. This is gonna be for the podcast. It 1577 01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:21,920 is gonna be a long one. They'll be. I might split them up 1578 01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:27,319 into probably two separate ones when we clip them. Bleacher Report ranked the top 1579 01:44:27,359 --> 01:44:30,720 one hundred NBA players for the twenty three twenty four season. Which player finished 1580 01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:34,840 with the higher ranking? Oh Man Okay, Jalen Brown or Michael Bridges, 1581 01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:43,640 Jaylen Brown correct, Steph Curry or Jason Tatum Tatum yes, he was five. 1582 01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:49,199 Steff was six. Jimmy Butler or Sga Jimmy no je Gilissandra was eleven. 1583 01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:56,039 Butler was twelve. Anthony Edwards or John Moran ooh Edwards correct he was 1584 01:44:56,039 --> 01:45:01,399 fifteen. Jah was twenty one. Scottie Barnes or Victor wemban Yam I'll say 1585 01:45:01,399 --> 01:45:06,720 Wemby Nope. Scottie Barnes fifty three. Victor Wembanyama's sixty three. Brandon Brandon 1586 01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:12,920 Ingram or Trey Young Trey Nope. Brandon Ingram was twenty nine. Trey was 1587 01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:18,119 thirty. Hirry Caliburton or Lowry market in Haliburton. No, it's marketing thirty 1588 01:45:18,119 --> 01:45:24,880 two. Reese was thirty three. Devin Booker or Kevin Durant. That's a 1589 01:45:25,039 --> 01:45:29,000 great question, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Durant, Yes, he 1590 01:45:29,119 --> 01:45:33,439 was eight. Booker was nine. Pallo Bean Caro or Kaid Cunningham m Paalo 1591 01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:40,399 Nope Kade thirty eight. Palo was forty Kawai or Damian Lillard. Oh, 1592 01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:44,479 man, I wish I knew the criteria for this. Uh, I'm gonna 1593 01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:48,199 say Kauhi he was correct thirteen. The Lord was fourteen. Austin Reeves or 1594 01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:54,279 Marcus Smart. Austin Reeves correct, he was sixty nine, very nice, 1595 01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:59,800 and Marcus Mark was seventy one. Jalen Green or Chris Paul. Oh, 1596 01:46:00,039 --> 01:46:02,319 it better be Chris Paul. Yes, he was tied with Reeves at sixty 1597 01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:08,359 nine. Jalen Green was eighty. LaMelo Ball or Andrew Wiggins. Oh, 1598 01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:12,239 I think people would say LaMelo. Yeah, it was Andrew Wiggins though forty 1599 01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:17,680 five to forty eight. Bradley Beale or Jalen Brunson Brunson Nope. Bradley Beale 1600 01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:21,520 was thirty four. Brunson was thirty six. Kyle Kuzma or Michael Porter Jr. 1601 01:46:25,039 --> 01:46:30,079 Oh, great one. I'm gonna say Kuzma Nope. Michael Porter Junior 1602 01:46:30,119 --> 01:46:34,439 seventy one. Kyle Kuzma seventy seven. Drew Holliday or Zach Lavine Holiday. 1603 01:46:35,119 --> 01:46:39,159 Yes, he was thirty seven. Lavine was forty four. James Harden or 1604 01:46:39,279 --> 01:46:45,640 Kyrie Irving. I'm gonna say Kyrie Nope. Harden twenty two, Kyrie twenty 1605 01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:53,239 five, Bam Or Domas Sabonis Bam correct, he was twenty seven, Domas 1606 01:46:53,319 --> 01:46:57,720 was thirty five. We're gonna do a repeat here. Jalen Brunson or Darius 1607 01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:03,359 Garland M. Garland Nope, Jalen Brunson thirty six, Garland thirty eight. 1608 01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:11,840 Pascal Siakam or Karl Anthony Towns Siakam Nope, Karl Anthon Town's twenty three, 1609 01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:16,720 Sam twenty four. Those were tough. I'm not gonna lie. At least 1610 01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,640 there are only a couple of part the ones that I'm missing. Oh, 1611 01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,760 that was tough. That you gotta like think, like, what are the 1612 01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,760 voters saying? It's not my opinion? And I'm trying to guess what the 1613 01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:29,079 consensus for anyone who cares, and I think everyone who listens to nose at. 1614 01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:30,840 Grant and I are full time writers in Blue Sport. We did not 1615 01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:35,079 participate in the NBA one hundred this year, so these are not literally clearly 1616 01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:41,920 Grant, if I had prior knowledge, I hit it really well, because 1617 01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:45,560 I think I missed more than half. Okay, here is the one I've 1618 01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:50,239 been waiting to throw you. Uh, this is a segment called You'll Never 1619 01:47:50,319 --> 01:47:54,199 Guess, and we have easy, medium, and Heart. I will start 1620 01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:57,520 you off with easy. You just have to guess the player, and I 1621 01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,960 will give you small hints that hopefully you'll won't need them all, but by 1622 01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,399 the time we get too hard, you might first hint. And I like 1623 01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:09,439 to give these in first person just because it's kind of fun. I have 1624 01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:14,479 led the league in total defensive rebounds three times. I am left handed. 1625 01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:19,199 I have made three All NBA teams but only one All Star Game. That's 1626 01:48:19,239 --> 01:48:25,279 weird. Uh. I made my debut in two thousand and eight two thousand 1627 01:48:25,279 --> 01:48:30,159 and nine for the Clippers, with whom I played through twenty seventeen eighteen, 1628 01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:34,840 and I've bounced around since I just en you got it. You didn't even 1629 01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:39,560 need my last two, which we're gonna whether I was supposed to wait or 1630 01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:43,319 no, no, whenever you have it. Okay, okay, I destroyed 1631 01:48:43,359 --> 01:48:46,119 Brandon Knight was my next one, uh, and I just won my first 1632 01:48:46,199 --> 01:48:49,359 ring. Was the last clue for that one? All right? Easy was 1633 01:48:49,399 --> 01:48:53,760 not difficult for you, which is why not gonna lie? After the first 1634 01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,000 two clues, I was like, oh, this is harder than well, 1635 01:48:56,399 --> 01:49:00,439 you gotta start a little broad. Okay, uh medium. I averaged at 1636 01:49:00,479 --> 01:49:04,560 least twenty points and eight assists six times in my career, and I said 1637 01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:10,720 averaged. This player is no longer active. I was the number four pick 1638 01:49:11,239 --> 01:49:15,359 by the Milwaukee Bucks but never played there in the stacked nineteen ninety six draft 1639 01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:20,560 that included are you ready, No, my god, assist? Oh my 1640 01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:25,760 god. This is the number four pick in the draft that included Allen Iverson, 1641 01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:29,600 Marcus Camby, Sharif abdu rahiim Ray, Allen Antoine Walker, Kobe Bryant, 1642 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,239 Pagristoyokovitch, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neil. He went ahead of all but 1643 01:49:32,279 --> 01:49:38,479 three of those guys. I'm from Coney Island and I went to Georgia Tech. 1644 01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:42,600 Allen Iverson, No, he didn't go to Georgia Tech. Oh my 1645 01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:45,680 god. I have one of Grant's favorite dunks, which you can't read my 1646 01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:49,680 mind, so that's not going to help you. I started with the Minnesota 1647 01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:55,000 Timberwolves. That was the first team I played for. No, we didn't 1648 01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:59,039 average at assist. What is? Then? I'll give you more teams because 1649 01:49:59,039 --> 01:50:02,520 I started with the Wolve. I then played for the New Jersey Nets I 1650 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:09,199 then played for the Suns. Then I played for the kid Nope, Then 1651 01:50:09,279 --> 01:50:12,039 I played for the Celtics, and then I played in China for a long 1652 01:50:12,039 --> 01:50:15,239 time. I have additional clues if you're still stumped. This is a Knicks 1653 01:50:15,279 --> 01:50:21,600 guy too. Who am I for? Who drafted? Oh my god, 1654 01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:27,720 I'm never gonna be able to quip this for social media. Let's see. 1655 01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:34,560 I believe I have a head tattoo. I think I also had a really 1656 01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:40,800 cheap shoe that I made cheap. So that Steph Marbury, that's it. 1657 01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:45,840 You got him? Oh my god. So things that I learned. I 1658 01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:51,520 forgot that he was drafted by the Bucks. And I'm jumping at Dirk Well, 1659 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:55,119 right, that's another guy like a Buck, but never a Buck. 1660 01:50:56,039 --> 01:51:00,520 Okay, that was medium. I hesitate. I hesitated to give you the 1661 01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,800 hardest level, because this is kind of just mean, and it's more. 1662 01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:10,439 I was just stunned when I was looking for ideas for this when I came 1663 01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:15,359 across a particular stat, which is this, I led the league in total 1664 01:51:15,399 --> 01:51:18,680 assists in twenty twelve thirteen. Okay, so you're going back ten years. 1665 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:24,279 That year I averaged thirteen point nine points and nine assists. For the New 1666 01:51:24,399 --> 01:51:30,960 Orleans Hornets. Okay, I went to Maryland. I started my career with 1667 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,439 the Grizzlies. I was a number twenty eight picks. It was a first 1668 01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:39,439 rounder. I was with the Hornets, New Orleans Hornets in eleven twelve, 1669 01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:45,079 twelve thirteen, then Sacramento, Toronto, Milwaukee, Brooklyn. I am Venezuelan. 1670 01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:50,760 Maybe that will help creemous vass ways correct, he led that amazing great 1671 01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:55,199 job by you. We need a sound of like just rock us applause right 1672 01:51:55,199 --> 01:52:01,319 now. I'm just gonna play the garbage town a game. He led the 1673 01:52:01,399 --> 01:52:06,439 league in total assists in twelve thirteen. Thought I thought I knew it. 1674 01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,960 When you said that, I was like, there's no way he led the 1675 01:52:10,039 --> 01:52:15,279 league in assists. And then you went once you did the teams, I 1676 01:52:15,399 --> 01:52:16,479 was like, oh, it's him, And then you said Venezuela, and 1677 01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,600 I was like, all right, we're good. I don't think I was 1678 01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:21,640 gonna get him if you'd given me all that same information. I don't think 1679 01:52:21,680 --> 01:52:27,359 I get him. My last clue was my first name is very close to 1680 01:52:27,399 --> 01:52:30,439 a synonym for very severe or serious. It is also apparently the name of 1681 01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:34,600 a general in Star Wars lore. I need to fear we might have to 1682 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:39,079 hire a video editor to equip those, because those are super fun. I 1683 01:52:39,159 --> 01:52:41,920 might even throw up I should look at how long the second segment wasn't just 1684 01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,800 throw it up as a regular YouTube video. I mean, let's you know, 1685 01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:47,039 if anybody's still listening now, because I teased that you should and may 1686 01:52:47,079 --> 01:52:51,359 have overpromised and underdelivered. But listeners, if you're interested in these, we 1687 01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:55,439 can come up with more. And if you're okay with either of us, 1688 01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:58,119 just like himing and hawing and the dead air while we try to think of 1689 01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:04,039 obscure players, then boy, do we have options for you if you're interested. 1690 01:53:04,199 --> 01:53:08,159 You got another one for me? Yeah, I have. So I 1691 01:53:08,239 --> 01:53:14,000 have a bunch of guests. We're gonna do guests whose NBA draft scouting report 1692 01:53:14,039 --> 01:53:15,560 this is. And rather than give you clues, because I think it'll be 1693 01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:20,399 quicker this way, I'm gonna give you four options on guests whose NBA draft 1694 01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:25,000 scouting report this was. So they're already in the league, So no rookies 1695 01:53:25,319 --> 01:53:30,159 from this season, guess the NBA scouting NBA Draft scouting report. He has 1696 01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:35,520 the ability to play like a guard offensively? Is it bam Adebayo, Bull 1697 01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:43,720 Bull, Nicole Yokich or JaVale McGee. I wanted to be JaVale McGee so 1698 01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:48,119 bad. I'm gonna I'm gonna overthink this and say Bull Bowl, you should 1699 01:53:48,119 --> 01:53:55,239 have stuck with JaVale McGee. That's so ridiculous. He's a whose NBA draft 1700 01:53:55,239 --> 01:53:59,520 scouting report is this? He's a poor man's Boris Dia with the shooting upside 1701 01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:02,680 of peril antic who will probably be the fourth or fifth scoring option when he's 1702 01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:08,039 on the floor. What is it? Wendell Carter Junior, Al Horford, 1703 01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:13,720 Nicola Yokich or Karl Anthony Towns. Okay, hold on, So you have 1704 01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:17,720 a poor man's Boris Dio. I love Boris Dio the shooting upside of Pero 1705 01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:21,920 antics. Yeah, okay, that should be a clue because that should dial 1706 01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:27,880 me into when was Pero antics regarded as like anything? So give me my 1707 01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:31,239 play joy hibberd out of the league. Give me that's true, it's so 1708 01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:36,159 relevant. Forever give me my options again. Wendell Carter Junior, Al Horford, 1709 01:54:36,279 --> 01:54:43,720 NICOLEA Yoki or Karl Anthony Towns. I think it's Yokich. That is 1710 01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:48,279 correct, very nicely done. Whose NBA Draft scouting report. Is this not 1711 01:54:48,399 --> 01:54:54,039 a standout athlete, hasn't proven that he can consistently create offense for himself, 1712 01:54:54,399 --> 01:54:58,439 Not an isolation player feeds off the play of his teammates. Is it Jimmy 1713 01:54:58,479 --> 01:55:03,319 Butler, Damardoro was in, Paul George or Jason Tatum? Wow? Well, 1714 01:55:03,359 --> 01:55:09,520 whoever it is, they were not correct about this person. Uh oh, 1715 01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:14,640 I'm just gonna say Jason Tatum. It is Jimmy Butler. Wow. 1716 01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,880 I mean that's kind of like he's evolved as a player. So that's not 1717 01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:24,279 I thought you were going to miss the first two and get that one that 1718 01:55:24,359 --> 01:55:27,920 was the most Like, that was the most Yeah, I could see how 1719 01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,800 you would have said that about Jimmy Butler. The other ones are just like 1720 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:35,279 unbelievable. Jamale McGee guard skills, love it. Those are the only ones 1721 01:55:35,319 --> 01:55:39,800 that I have for you that I might have to bring that one back. 1722 01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:43,840 I hope those play well. I got a couple of truer falses that are 1723 01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:45,680 just kind of hanging around. You want to do I have literally two true 1724 01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:48,600 or falses? You're ready? Yeah, all right? Dan, True or 1725 01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:56,439 false? Kevin Durant has led the NBA in free throw attempts false true, 1726 01:55:56,600 --> 01:56:00,800 done it twice, nine, ten, and thirteen fourteen, Dan, True 1727 01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:06,680 or false. Alan Iverson has over one hundred career dunks false true one twenty 1728 01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:12,319 four. Holy crap, he had thirty something each of his first two years. 1729 01:56:12,399 --> 01:56:15,159 So that's he's got half his total in his first two years. That's 1730 01:56:15,199 --> 01:56:18,399 barely. I could not watch basketball that that long. I was like so 1731 01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:23,279 young, I don't remember it. That's that's all my true or false is 1732 01:56:23,319 --> 01:56:26,239 for you. Are we good? Got anything else? Or should I take 1733 01:56:26,279 --> 01:56:29,399 us out? No? That's it for me, all right. I enjoyed 1734 01:56:29,439 --> 01:56:31,520 it. This was fun, Dan, We had a real smortgage board of 1735 01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:35,359 content today. Uh So, thank you to everyone who made it this far. 1736 01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:39,119 Thank you everyone that just listened to the beginning and for some reason as 1737 01:56:39,159 --> 01:56:42,680 listening to the outro now h if you have not already done so, please 1738 01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:45,359 follow us everywhere on our socials at Hardwood Knox, at Hardwood Underscore Knox, 1739 01:56:45,439 --> 01:56:48,399 on Instagram. That's the only different one. Everything else is at Hardwood Knox, 1740 01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:55,760 Twitter, TikTok, etc. Check out our YouTube. We have lots 1741 01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:59,600 and lots of shorts and clips banked to go up there. Uh. If 1742 01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:01,680 you don't already subscribe to that every place, Tell your friends, tell your 1743 01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:05,159 enemies, buy the merch which you can get to the website for that, 1744 01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:09,359 and the description of the podcast, and I think on our YouTube page. 1745 01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,159 Yeah, I think that's about it. Thanks again, and we'll close, 1746 01:57:13,239 --> 01:57:15,880 as always with a shout out to the one or only Frankie Lakina in an 1747 01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:16,920 apology to Chare it Down.