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you as always too to be held accountable for previous offseason grades. And three
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listen to us talk about our Western Conference twenty twenty two offseason grades and do
we want to dig do we want to dig into them? Let us do
that. We will start with the Pacific Division and the first team on our
list is the Golden State Warriors. This was weird to look back through this
because it feels like a lot happened for this team over the last year.
So drafting Patrick Baldwin Jr. We're gonna just recap these. I guess we
should probably mini preamble in case this comes out before the East grades. We're
just looking back at the moves that happened in the twenty twenty two offseason.
Of consequence, we're not going to give you every single one. Hopefully,
we'll give you the ones that informed the grade we gave last year, and
we're going to adjust up or down or not at all, depending on how
much reality deviated. I guess from what we thought that offseason deserved. It
is not an exact science. But with that said, Patrick Baltam Junior drafted
number twenty eight. What else? Ryan Ron's at number forty four signed Cavon
Looney to a three year, twenty two and a half million dollar extension.
That's I'm just gonna say now, that's an A plus. He liked the
same amount of guaranteed money that Javal McGee did. That of unbelievable wild Uh
signed Jamichael Green for the Vet Minimum, signed Donte de Vincenzo using most of
their mini mL UH, signed mc mclumb to an Exhibit nine deal, and
Trevin Williams to Exhibit ten. Perhaps more important than anything else were the losses
Gary Payton the Second and Auto Porter Junior signed elsewhere. Damian Lee also left
wants Usconnell Anderson left, Andrey Guadala at the time we recorded this was unsigned.
He did come back, but played like none at all. So did
I miss anything there, Dan, Yeah, we missed because we recorded.
I think before this happened, there was the Andrew Wiggins extension, yes in
October, that was four years and one hundred and nine right. Yeah,
it includes a player option at the end, and then the Jordan wol extension,
which came after he was punched by Draymond Green. It can be up
to and it kicks in this season for the Wizards, worth up to four
years in one hundred and twenty eight million. Do you know what the exact
guarantee was on that? I haven't, Oh here finally loaded. It's one
hundred and twenty three million guaranteed. Yeah, that's a lot. Those two
alone are I'm trying to think Now, how that would affect my grade either
of those, I think, well, I guess we could just say we
both gave them a flat B. And I don't remember most of my logic
for it. I think probably it had to do with, you know,
you couldn't have paid Porter and Peyton were going to be replaced in the rotation
by Moses Moody and Jonathan Cominga, so no big deal there, And the
Looney deal was great, and I think I think if we'd done this honestly
after the Wiggins and Pool deals, I might have moved the grade up because
I think that Wiggins deal is so good and at the time the Pool deal
was like kind of iffy, but just the market rate for you know,
the Tyler heroes and the Anthony Simons and like that kind of level player.
But I guess before we get more macro, how would you, if at
all, have changed your opinion from that be based on with those two deals
specifically, like does that up or down for you? It probably would have
been neutral because I would have liked I liked the Wiggins extension. I didn't
like the Jordan Pool. I thought I just thought that was way too much
money and it was sort of I don't know if I'm suffering from We've seen
kind of this impact with Tyler hero RJ. Barrett. It's like these guys
sign their extensions and all of a sudden it feels like the consensus is lower
on them. So maybe I'm suffering from that. But he ended up having
a bad year, and I know it was a fake first rounder. He
ended up needing to like you immediately before it even kicked in, turned around
and got rid of him, which that obviously doesn't impact the grade at the
time, but that has to impact the calculus of your regrade, right,
I guess. So that's why this team is so hard, because like the
most significant offseason event was the punch and like, what are we how do
we grade that like that? Because I think pretty clearly that made it.
Maybe this is you know, relying a little too much on hindsight, but
that made Jordan Pool worse. He just was a worse player. He was
less bought in, the team trusted him less, and then like that just
you know, Draymond has talked since about how like he didn't really have a
voice because he had to kind of be careful because of the breach of trust
that that punch, uh, you know, cracked wide open and it just
changed everything. So I don't know how to account for the most significant I
was now a warrior because of that punch. It's kind of like the galaxy
brain. If they don't blow that three to one lead, or Draymond doesn't
kick, doesn't do that growing kick in the finals, and Kevin Durant doesn't
come, there's the trickle that effect of you don't punch Jordan Pool. Is
Chris Paul in Washington? Did he get way? Like? Where is Chris
Paul right now? Right? I mean the counter to that is, if
you don't punch Jordan Pool or they do, they win a second title,
like because you know, I mean, that seems a lot less likely than
the alternative, even though the Chris Paul being a warrior thing is like about
as unlikely as it gets. If you would if we were talking a year
ago and said Chris Paul will be on the team this time next year,
that would have been wild. Maybe the way to look at it as this,
if Wiggins and Pool are like a wash, is there any move that
they made that seems in hindsight like a significant mistake or a significant oh that
turned out way better than I expected. I will say I think the Cavan
Luoney deal looks even better now, just like what we know about the Cap
machinations. And I think the Dante Devin Chenzo deal, we always kind of
knew that was gonna work out well for them, but based how well he
played and specifically shot the ball in Gold State, that worked out incredibly well.
And look the Wiggins extension, I know he didn't wasn't the same player
at times, missed all that time, had the hip injury this year right
that he had well, and then the sort of more mysterious absence from the
team with his dad being sick. But I was trying to think of because
he came back like from it was it a hip injury first or but honestly,
I don't remember he I still that deal still looks great, And so
that's why this grade is so tough, because I really think the Jordan Pool
extension was a mistake, just like did you throw him an extra Like would
he have gotten one hundred and seven million or something if I Draymond didn't punch
him? And did you let that influence it too much? I think I'm
just gonna bump him down to a C. Maybe I'll give him a C
plus, just like Jamichael Green. I remember being high on that signing and
that didn't really end up mattering for that. I don't know the Cavan Luni
deal so good. I'm just gonna C plus just you had to. You
still had to get rid of Jordan Pool immediately, and it cost you theoretically
an asset to do so, I think too. We haven't mentioned him yet,
but if you want to talk about moves not made affecting the grade,
like maybe trading James Wiseman before the season would have netted something better than trading
him in season. Yeah, because it seemed it was clear from the jump
that like it at least this past year, that that's just not gonna work.
So I'll guess I'll go from a B to a B minus because I
do think the Looney deal, the Wiggins deal, the demon Chnzo deal,
those are all good, those like objectively good value moves, and I just
don't know how to account for the Pool thing. So I'll go down just
just a touch from the B, which will bring us to the LA Clippers,
who they signed to each Zubos to his three year thirty two point eight
million dollars extension. They signed Nick Patoum to a two year twenty two point
six million dollars deal. They signed to my guy, I'm here Coffee to
a three year, eleven million dollars deal. They signed John Wall to a
two year deal worth the full mini mL And that's really the only thing that
Those are the only notable moves that they made, unless I'm missing any aside
from they lost Isaiah Hartenstein. Ronnie Hood is no longer in the NBA.
Actually, so they lost him too. Did we miss any anything big happened
after August twenty second when we recorded those grants, not that I'm seeing,
Not that I'm seeing this. This was a team that had extremely limited resources,
and I think, as I'm thinking back now, that accounts for why
we were both so high on their off season because they did what at the
time seemed like really well with basically no wiggle room at all. That z
that like bring the bell for you. Yeah, because I gave them an
A minus and you gave them an A. So we were pretty we were
pretty bullish on their off season. I think my what I think the only
move where my impression has changed a great deal changed a great deal. It's
just the john Wall contract. But I here's my thing. You eventually undid
it. And who else were you actually gonna get with the miniml last year
when you look at who signed for that, Like was Dante DiVincenzo gonna go
to the Clippers? And is that who they needed? I think you could
definitely penalize them because well, did bringing in John Wall? Did that contribute
to burying Terrence Man in the pecking order a little bit? Or was Tyler
always going to do that? But that that was really the only miss because
they could not have paid Hartenstein what he got from the Knicks. I do
believe. Didn't Hartenstein say that there was a like a real offer from the
Clippers though, so if you want to ding them that, they didn't even
say, well, we'll give you our mini MLI if you want to come
back. But he also got the mini Emile was what five what was it?
It was two years and eleven million for john Wall? So like he
got noticeably more. It was two years in thirteen point three. Excuse me,
Hartnerstein got a good deal more than that, Like it was more from
the Knicks. So I don't know how much to penalize them for that.
If I gave them an A minus, I can't imagine I might drop it
down to like a bee and I guess a mere coffee didn't really do well.
I'm gonna still say a B B plus. I have to have to
evaciate between those. Yeah. For me, I'm pretty sure that I viewed
the John Wall signing as like, oh, what a just a coup,
Like I can't believe they you know, he's the perfect fit for them if
if big enormous, if which now we know which side of that, if
things have fallen on he's not totally washed and he was in fact washed,
like he just didn't he wasn't John Wall anymore, and so he really would
just was not helped at all to the Clippers last year. So I think
because I based so much of my high grade on that, because like the
Zoobots deal, actually the Zoobots deals a pretty darn good value for like a
you know, mid mid tier maybe a little better than that starting center.
I'm gonna go down from A. I gotta go down quite a bit from
a flat A. I'll go down to just I'll go full letter grade down
to A B. I mean, it looks really bad because you were just
talking about zoo bots. I'm like, maybe I'll stick with the B plus,
but I'll go B as well. Yeah, not a lot happening there.
So we're ready to go to the Lakers now because this is there's more
going on here. I don't know if Lakers fans are ready for this,
but yeah, all right, so you're definitely gonna have to fact check and
make sure we didn't miss anything because this is a long list of stuff.
So Russell Westbrook picked up his forty seven point one million dollar player option.
You might know that he did not end the team and the year on this
team, so that tells you how that went. Danley Johnson also picked up
his option. Kendrick Nunn picked up his option. They guarantee winning Gabriel's deal.
Lebron got a two year ninety seven point one million dollars extension with the
player option for twenty four twenty five. Lonnie Walker one year deal at the
Mini mL E, Troy Brown got a VET minimum, Damien Jones two years
four point nine, h JTA one year VET minimum, Thomas Bryant got a
minimum. Max Christie was the number thirty five pick Uh, Cole Swider got
a two way, Scottie Pippen Junior got a two way. Forgot about that.
Let's see lost Malik Monk to the Kings. Also camp baysmore gone.
Listen to these names that were unsigned at the time we did this, White
Howard, Carmelo, Anthony, like no recollection of j Augustine. This is
like the two thousand This is the two thousand and nine, like helping coming
all Star. Let's right here. Listen to this. So Augustine, Trevor,
Reza, Wayne Ellington, Avery Bradley, we're all unsigned. What a
list? What names we had there? And now I don't remember what I
gave them? Oh we were not kind to them. You were us.
I was a D minus last year. You know. It was so much.
But the only so the only like big stuff that I think, the
only big thing that we missed or two they signed Rob lay Good to a
three year contract extension and then they also they did got Dennis Schroeder at the
minimum in September. Those were the only big things that we missed before the
season, I believe. So I'm just laughing because the way we have it
set up on screen, I didn't see like it said, remains unsigned and
then it was cut off for me, and so as you're introing it,
I was going down and I'm just laughing because of it was just perfect timing.
That's an amazing list of names. That team is the guys by the
way, last year season, right, what's that none of those guys ended
up on teams last season? Right? No? I don't think so.
I don't know they're No, they didn't. But what a good that team
would be a playoff team easy in I mean maybe a twenty twelve, Yeah,
that'd be that'd be great team. So yeah, as you mentioned,
we were, I don't know that my impression changed. I think you don't.
Let's let's frame it this way. Do any of these moves and they
could not have kept a week munk for the money he got from the that's
the danger of Like, could they have gotten a team option on like his
deal? Probably not when they negotiated the previous off season. We can't dig
him for that anyway. Do any of these moves in hindsight look a lot
better? The one that stands out is like, I guess I'm more comfortable
with the Rob Polinka extension. I remember being I don't want to say I
rate because I'm not that emotionally invested in Lakers, but I was just like,
what has he proven to you to warrant this? He's just the every
other Well this is oversimplifying things, but he's just he's He's responsible for some
of the worst offseasons I can remember, and then also just some rabbit out
of the hat stuff, like the way that they remade this roster, you
know, midstream this past season. So like I think just if you're looking
at the off season moves here, you couldn't do anything about the Westbrook picking
up his player option, Like you're just stuck with that. The mistake there
is having him in the first place. And we've talked about that trade,
you know, from a couple of years ago. To no end, I
think some of the stuff looks good, like the Lonnie Walker won him a
playoff game, and that's that's worth the minimum he so like nothing else was
really awful. I just think it's hard for me to sort of not factor
in how much better this team got during the year through the trades they made,
and just look at this offseason and isolation, what I guess I'm saying
ultimately is like, I don't see a huge number of reasons to change the
grade. It probably has to come up, though. If it does,
anything like the Lebron extension is fine, although I still get a laugh.
Like remember the reporting of the MAVs were trying to trade for Lebron. I
was just like, he can't even leave. What are we doing here?
Nothing to do with the grade, but fun aside or not so fun aside,
whatever however you can say. I will say another move that I think
looks better, and it's I'm not super in tune with this guy, but
because I did the Lakers Look at It podcast recently, I did a little
bit more of a dive into him. I really like Max Christy's shot and
his size. In my head, I was like, well, they can't
really get away with playing him at the three defensively, but he would be
potentially just what they need. I talked with Jabari Davis, this might be
coming out before that. Apparently he grew like two inches and so like,
if he can now play the three defensively and you have that shot, like
just getting him on that cost controlled contract for two years ends up being big.
What I can't reconcile is and I know they were better after their two
intense start, but their season did not like functionally turn around. They didn't
have like that guiding principle to me until the Russell Westbrook trade. That was
something that very obviously needed to be done. I'm not going to penalize that
more for not getting it done. And this isn't by the way, It's
not on Russ. It was like he was part of the problem if he
wasn't willing to sacrifice. He did come off the bench last year. But
like the this is on the Lakers in the front office more than anyone.
What about the way Russell Westbrook operated was a surprise at any point, Like
you know what Russell Westbrook is when you trade for him. Honestly, I
felt bad for him by the end of it. Unless he was really being
a malcontent behind the scenes that we don't know about. We haven't really but
so that's why I'm reluctant to bring it up anymore. So we gave them
what was I at, so we were both in the US. I'm a
D minus, I'm gonna come up to it. I'm gonna come up to
a D plus. That's how I'm just knee jerk reaction. I'm gonna have
to come up then to be consistent. I'm gonna give them a C minus
like I don't. And that's just like and like the Max Christie one isn't
definitive. I'm just more intrigued with him. The Lonnie Walkers shigning worked out.
We went through the whole spiel of like Thomas Bryant and Anthony Davis hating
to play center, and then Thomas Bryan ends up requesting a trade. Are
we seeing the same song again with Christian Wood a little bit this year?
I think Christian Wood's a better flyer. But yeah, so I'll see minus
and that might even be just like I feel like I probably could have stuck
with it. The Pulinka extension. That's not fair. That looks a lot
better. Basically every move, not every move, but his body of works.
Since the Russell Westbrook trade itself is not yet bad. Yeah, and
I guess that we're getting kind of far afield now. But like you might
excuse the original Russell Westbrook acquisition as like pressure from Lebron in a d and
you're beholding to your best players, certainly if one of them is Lebron like,
do can we like maybe take some of the blame off of Pulinka?
Is that fair? Because when it comes to if it's signing you know Tanasis,
attend the kompo to keep your superstar happy. It's one thing. The
job of a GM is to do what's best for the actual team, and
if you're consolidating into someone who needs to be a big party, rotation is
a terrible fit. That's why these lead executives exist, is that they're supposed
to be making basketball. Yeah, that's that's true. I mean, like
I've never I've never been more sure I was gonna be right than I was
about saying that trade is so bad for the Lakers. There was no there
was almost no one who's it was gonna be good, which is just that's
very rare where there's like a universal consensus on how bad a trade is.
It's one that you seems so obviously bad at the time that I don't know
if you operate this way. But then I start to question myself, like
this is there must be some like the people making these decisions are are smart
and like, no, no things that I don't there must be something and
there's never was nothing. It was just exactly what it seemed like at the
time. All right, we've improved the Lakers grade Phoenix Suns h this is
uh me right, or you want to go through them, you're freedom I
did, Oh yeah, go ahead, you do it. So the Suns
signed matched I should say, DeAndre Ayton's four year, one hundred and thirty
three billion dollars offer sheet from Indiana. They signed Devin Booker to a four
year, two hundred and twenty four point two million dollar extenture. It had
as a trade kicker, but has no player option, so he's just under
lock and key through his age thirty season. They signed They signed Monty Williams
to a multi year contract extension. They signed Damian Lee, Josha Kogie.
They resigned Isshwayne Right to a two way deal between Washington. Junior was on
a two way deal. They got Jacque Landale, who ended up playing a
pretty big role for them for cash. They've lost your Vaal McGee, Frank
Kamiskey, Aaron Holliday, and this is a big one grant. So just
let me know how much you want to ratchet They're grade down. They never
brought back Alfred Payton either unacceptable we gave them. I gave them, Ah,
I gave them a B plus. You gave them a B minus.
What are your have any of your thoughts changed about their off season coming out
of that? When was the sale? When did when did Sarver sell?
Was that during the year? Yeah? That was during the season? Okay,
because that I mean that would have been a pretty big plus double check.
But I'm pretty sure yeah, that was burying this season. So I
don't as as you were going through this pretty much everything is defensible. Oh
shit, I was wrong September twenty first, what is time? So well?
But so that wasn't accounted for when we go we recorded these on August
twenty second of last year, and it would be like our listeners, I
hope you appreciate our thorough documentation, right, I have the date of what
is but that does count towards the offseason, right, So I mean,
but like, how do you grade? Like who are you grading there?
Like it's good for the organization, but like we that's Robert Carver for getting
richer after being a fuck shit for his entire life. Well, I just
I mean, it's like it was good for the organization for several reasons,
not the least of which is MATTERSBIA just came in and like started throwing money
around, like you know, no owner has in a really long time.
But yeah, I guess I don't know what to what to do with that.
The aiden thing they matched immediately. It seems like the way that that
whole thing happened, which was almost, you know, like a caricature of
like, go get a deal. You know, let's see, let's let
the market dictate what you're worth and then we'll pay that. We're not going
to pay a penny more. You know, that seems like it wasn't handled
great. But then now that we know, you know, Eton and Monty
Williams didn't see eye to eye, which we maybe I guess we knew then,
But I like, are you just not gonna match? I guess if
you if you think the Aten deal wasn't good or a bad decision, would
it have been worse to just let the Pacers sign him and just not match.
Yeah, I mean he's not I think the it's we're divorcing ourselves from
reality but not us. But if you think that letting him walk for nothing
or he that he sucks as a player, Like, that's too far afield
for me. I will say it feels like a that was a predictable,
implosive situation though, because it seemed to be common knowledge just how tense everything
was between Monty Williams and DeAndre and it's kind of just I mean, it's
not it's just hysterical that they both got like new contracts in the same summer,
And so could you have handled that any better? I think you definitely
could have handled it. Restricted for agency sucks for players. It's okay,
you want the Max, I go out and get it, So I kind
of I understand it from that, But like, if you knew this relationship
was that fragile, and you knew that Indie was trying to negotiate a trade
with you before they even gave him the Max offersheet, it felt like Phoenix
Can could have and should have been more proactive there and could they have addressed
this in any way. With that said, I don't know how much of
it I placed on Monty because there was clearly and the Timeline guys have talked
about the Timeline podcast guys who were great have talked about this. There's a
massive disconnect at points between DeAndre and the rest of the team. Right,
it's like, how much are you laying at the feet of Monty Williams and
the fact that you done had to move on from Monty Williams and there's still
all these kind of just I don't want to say deandret and rumors. They're
more like theories and you one of the biggest things that Frank Vogel has been
tasked with since being hired is repairing the relationship there. You definitely should have
been more proactive to protect that. But if you weren't, if you didn't
view him as this centerpiece or part of your cap slot corps, then you
should have been more proactive and maybe trying to like why didn't you trade him
to Indy who would have given you Miles Turner and maybe something else for it.
So I don't I don't know what that does to the grade, Like
I don't you know, I do think like to get away from the eight
and stuff like THEA Cookee signing ended up working out a lot better than I
would have expected. Quite Frankly, I don't know how I viewed it back
then, So like that's kind of a notch under their belt, So like,
but does that cancel out? Like, but then did DeAndre eighton situation
get any worse? Like he got worse, So the deal looks worse.
I just I don't know what to do with that. Yeah, I mean,
I think it's just I think we're sort of both kind of brushing up
against the idea that like, you know, it's not it's not a good
reflection of the organization's ability to sort of look down the road slash manage,
you know, situations that the Eighten deal came to this point because yeah,
move them earlier. Uh, just do something before you're put to the decision
of like, we don't really like this guy, but we're gonna pay him
one hundred and thirty million because it's an asset preservation to which is like you
know which, like we've defended a lot of teams for just preserve the asset.
You can trade this big. This is a big salary slot for a
team that now you know, if they are going to change anything this year.
Aten's massively important to the Sun's as title contenders this season, but he's
also the guy that you're going to move if you just don't like what you
got, or you do end up needing more depth, Like I guess,
I just I don't know. I don't know what else you would have wanted
them to do, like in the moment, like all the way that they
all the lead up to the Eighten matching, you know, we can criticize,
but at the second that Indy signs under that offer sheet, like you
had two choices, and I think the Sun's made the right one, even
though it's an imperfect choice, like because the alternative is he leaves and you
have nothing. You have nothing there? So is this too galaxy being them?
Because we know that they were involved in the Sabonus talks and so Eighten
must have been a centerpiece of that and they kind of did see this coming
down the road. And then I'm not saying they should have traded for Sabonus,
but like you knew this was because it's so hard to move them when
they reach free agency. But Indy was still clearly interested in making some sort
of deal there. But what I will say I they want to leave their
grade the same because the Josha cooked he look talking better. The Landale transaction
ended up working out a lot better for them, and look, Devin Booker
improved enough defensively last year and like the fact that he's still improving there.
You look at his contract and I know the numbers like kind of take you
aback. There's a chance that you have this guy through his age thirty season
and he during that time, he is never going to make thirty five percent
of the salary cap. Yeah, that is huge, right, because he's
worth that he would get that and you know if he if he could now,
like Devin Booker is if if you were not ranking players, he is
one of the guys as in the conversation for the ten best players at the
end, for sure. Yeah you you if you're if you're looking at the
Sun's offseason from like a let's work big to small perspective, you do the
Devin the Devin Booker deal, you do ten times out of ten, Like
that's just there's no question that was true. Then it's just you look back
now at what he did and like what's going on the cap. It's like,
wow, yeah, I don't know what to do. I forgot that
Monty Williams got an extension, but then ownership changes, so like who you
know? Who knows? I think I'm gonna go I was at was I
B minus? Yeah, I'm sticking with my get do I bring them down
to a B. I'm just gonna stick with a B plus because I don't
know how realistic it was to expect them to have given up on eight and
like before the off season. Yeah, I hate to do the same thing,
but I'll just leave it where it was, which is B minus again,
because I'm not looking at any of these moves and seeing like, well,
that was a clear mistake or I wouldn't have done that. I just
not a lot changes for me. That takes us to the last team in
the Pacific Division, which is the Sacramento Kings. This is gonna be very
interesting. I totally forgot what I gave them. Oh all right, I
just just looked at it. Okay. Signed Mike Brown to a four year
deal to be the new head coach, drafty Kegan Murray at number four.
Those are already two moves I'm sure I panned a year ago. Traded Jaden
Hardy Oh who's number thirty seven to the MAVs for two seconds, got Kevin
Hurder from the Hawks for Mo Harkless justin holiday at twenty twenty four first with
a lot of protection, top twelve, protection in twenty five, top ten,
and twenty six becomes this twenty six second. Uh, Trey Lyles came
back, picked up his player option, got Malik Monk for two years in
nineteen point four million. What else was of consequence here? Not a whole.
Damien Jones left, Dante DiVincenzo left, Jeremy Lamb, Josh Jackson were
unsigned at the time. Uh, I killed this one, I by which
I mean I was super before you reveal your grade here, because we like
this had to be like one of the This was like one of our biggest
discrepancies of all time. I think we need to play a little something on
Grant's Grant's behalf. This is Phil. Where the hell are you, guys?
I'm freaking out. Yeah, listen, uh, we fucked up.
You're not saying we it was I you liked the offseason for no, I
fucked up two great the great has to come up from there. Well if
we were, but I gave him a D. You gave him a B
minus. Yeah, that was that was way too low. I'm gonna have
to I let that quip play too. I hopefully I'll remember to cut it
up and post just the we fucked up part. I think we both sucked
up here, but well met me worse. Can I give you my I
remember my rationale. I think I didn't like the Mike Brown signing hiring,
although I think it probably would concede that's about as good as you were going
to do. I think I really wanted Jade and Ivy instead of Kegan Murray
because I thought Ivy had star upside. Murray was just flat out better than
Ivy. I probably I can't imagine. I knew what Jaden Hardy was going
to become, so I'm not going to kill them for trading that pick.
I think, I bet you if we listened back to this, I would
have criticized them for adding a bunch of offensive players to a team that had
no defense at all. Where I was very, very, very wrong was
that the offense was not going to be good enough to offset how shitty the
defense was going to be. And clearly the offense, which I don't know
if it ended up this way, but had the highest like you know,
not ERA adjusted offensive rating of all time, was good enough. So I
was very wrong about the King's off season. Yeah, and we did not
miss any there. The bones of their off season was done by the time
we recorded. I forgotten to mention that. Uh. Look, I the
Mike Brown signing, I was probably too low on, like I was probably
okay with it. I'm with you on Keegan Murray. I probably wanted them
gonna go elsewhere. I did not. I didn't hammer it, but I
was uncomfortable with the Kevin Hurder trade. So it's like, why are the
King's trading first round picks for non stars? Like you can't you can't do
that. I didn't really know what to make in the league. Monk signing,
I was he was so good with the Lakers. I was probably comfortable
with it. I don't think I lampoon did I was with you the sense
like, oh, they really geared towards offense. It ended up working out
for them. I don't know how you give them. I'm going up to
an A. How do you think you have to What did they miss on?
Nothing? I think you have to go up I think I think it.
I'll go with you. I'll go up to an A. Just like,
there's not anything on here that there aren't any mistakes, there's no mistakes
on here. I guess like Dante DiVincenzo could have helped, but like it
seemed like he was not happy there and was kind of weirdly minimized. I
think he maybe even alluded to the fact that, yeah, he was just
you know, not happy with how they handled him because it may have cost
him some money by costing him starter criteria in free agency. Yeah, there
are no misses here. The theory of this offseason was just just like,
let's score all the points, totally worked out. The one thing I will
say is maybe, should you have figured out the Rashaun Holmes situation sooner so
you didn't have to give him a first round pick to get rid of him?
Yeah? Maybe, but maybe looking maybe teams looking at it with oh,
there's three guaranteed years left on his deal, maybe that's still would have
been. But it's it's an A So beat is a huge jump going from
a D. I feel like they earned it, Like what they had the
best season in like two decades of their franchise's history. You had it was
largely because of the moves they made. I mean, I guess you'd have
to go back to last season and the Sabonis trade, although like we don't
need to relitigate Haliburton versus Sabonis. But yeah, like they just they had
a phenomenal season, and it was you can't have a d in the off
season grade if you end up doing that, well, that would bring us
to the Denver Nuggets, who's apparently we did the Northwest Division earlier. I
don't know how I ordered this doc what we were doing this I was,
I don't know if I was like Stone or something. But anyway, the
Denver Nuggets, so they had a busy off season. They signed Nicole Yokaso
a five year, two hundred and seventy million dollars extension. It's a player
option in the final season when he'll be aged thirty two. Jeff Green picked
up his player option. They traded Jamichael Green and a top twenty a top
five twenty twenty seven first round pick that immediately turns into a second if it
doesn't convey for number thirty, which they drafted Peyton Watson. They got a
twenty twenty three second rounder and a twenty twenty four second rounder. Out of
that, they created a TP as well. They used more than half of
that. They drafted Christian Brown at number twenty one. I guarantee you neither
of us were like, oh wow, that was a home run. They
got the KCP and Ish Smith for Will Barton and Monte Morris. They created
a nine point two million dollars TPA as part of that. They didn't signed
KCP to a two year, thirty billion dollars extension. He does have a
player option though. Next summer they signed Colin Gillespie to a two way contract,
and that should be oh no, They signed Bruce Brown. How is
this so far at the bottom? They signed Bruce Brown, one of our
favorite deals of the off season at the time, to a two year,
thirteen point three million dollars deal. He of course left because he had a
player option. They signed DeAndre Jordan seconds after free agency started. For some
reason, they signed a Vlacho Chanchar to a three year, six point eight
million dollars deal. He's still on the team, but did Terra's ACL.
They promoted Calvin Booth after Tim Connolly left for Minnesota as well. It got
a very very busy offseason. No super notable exits. Brent Forbes left,
Austin Rivers left, and DeMarcus Cousin DeMarcus cousins didn't sign with anybody. I'm
interested to see how we graded this. I'm looking at it. I gave
them a B. You gave them an A minus? What were the misses?
Like how do I? I'm just I don't want to shorten this discussion,
but we have to have to go to an A plus? Like how
do I? Yeah, I mean I don't know what else to do.
I was gonna leave mine or I was going to go to an A.
But if A plus is on the table, I think we've probably got to
do that because I mean, just like even the Jamachael Green trade, which
relative to some of the other stuff on this list, is pretty inconsequential,
Like you got Peyton Watson, who might really matter this year already, Like
yeah, he's gonna play a huge role theoretically, or he almost has to.
And then I think, thinking back on this, like the Casey p
trade I loved from the moment it happened. I just think that that like
he's just he's a fucking starter on a champ being ship team, Like oh
often like that, that's that's what he does. That's what he does.
And you got him for a for a point guard and Morris, who just
doesn't matter. He's good. Monte Morris is a good player. But you
have Yokich, like there's that's that's who's going to handle the ball. We
don't need, Like that's just it was a perfect trade. And then like
to extend him and then to get Bruce br I mean, yeah, let's
go a plus across the board. They won the title pretty easily, like
there's nowhere else to go here, there's And because I'm so high on Peyton
Watson, I would normally just still be uncomfortable with that's all you got by
giving up a twenty twenty seven first. But I'm just I'm really high on
Peyton Watson now and I wasn't at the time, Like I just don't have
enough information on those guys. We did, to our credit. We named
Bruce Brown I think was our favorite contract of the summer, and that ended
up being pretty spot on. It was for different reasons, and I think
it ended up being though because I didn't see them using him so differently as
Brooklyn did, Like there were elements of it like he ran a lot of
backup playmaker stuff. And I think part of my be was is I liked
the Casey pe Tree. There were some people that were like, well,
it was still a salary, dumb, but I was like, yeah,
it's a salary, Like they cut costs and it made sense. They got
the best player in the deal, and I honestly thought it was a win
win for both teams. I did not have enough information on Will Barton.
I do remember being concerned that, okay, you trade away Monte Morris and
Jamal Murray's coming off that ACL injury and missing the entire season, did you
really compromise your bench? And you know what, the bench was not great,
but it didn't fucking matter. And because when it mattered, most of
this team was the two additions that they picked up over the off season.
Bruce Brown and Casey Pleey played major roles. They were top six players.
I'm the fucking champion. And Christen Brown was playing major minutes, like I
mean, not major minutes, but he mattered in the playoffs, and I
guarantee you, I guarantee you that that might have even been just we just
named it and we didn't even mention him after that when we were giving out
grades, just like Christian Brown. Which is a tough part about grades because
you haven't seen them in the NBA yet, So honestly, if we were
giving out a plus plus pluses, this would this would be the team.
You'd sort of have to like the moves they made. I mean, Yokich
is the reason they won the title, but and getting healthy, but the
moves they made. They don't win it if if you don't have KCP or
you don't have Brown, and I mean I mean talking about Bruce Brown and
then Christian Brown again, like mattered in the most important games as a rookie.
That's ridiculous. The twenty first pick. I think it was twenty ridiculous.
Honestly, I'm just I can't be a game. But b yeah,
your title pick, by the way, fun since we're on the Nuggets.
We even talked about that in a while, being right about the Like I'll
call it an offbeat title pick because I don't think nationally many people picked the
Nuggets to win the title. I like, it wasn't very people are still,
like they're more likely to call me out about something I said about,
Like I don't like Quiet LETTERD like eight years ago and was wrong about then
oh wow, like someone picked the Nuggets to win the title. It's being
right has no value. No, Well, you know what, you and
Kevin Durant have a lot in common because great success did not bring you the
joy that you thought it would. And now you're gonna have to move to
another podcast and make have more takes so you can just chase that joy because
this this didn't give it to you. You should. I'd be refreshing your
email daily at this point for that announced. All right, let's really pivot
to We were both pretty good on the Nuggets. We were not good on
the next team, which is the Minnesota Timberwolves. Yeah here, so here
we go. Hired Tim Connolly as president of basketball operations late of the Denver
Nuggets. UH signed Karl Anthony Towns to a four year, two hundred and
twenty four million dollar extensions same as same as Booker, basically right, I
think it's similar term. I don't want to get to the big one here.
Traded Jake Larravia for Walker Kessler, UH and tay Ti Washington. I
don't know where this is all going. Walker Kessler obviously, UH goes somewhere
else pretty soon, and that's gonna be part of a bad look. I'm
trying to Okay, here, let's talk about it. Acquired Rudy Gobert from
the Utah Jazz, former league Beastley, Patrick, Peverett, Leandre Ball,
Merrow, the aforementioned Walker Kessler, Jared Vanderbilt, A twenty three first,
a twenty five first, a twenty six swap, a twenty seven first,
a twenty nine first, which has top five protection. Something you could not
say about any of those other first because they're all unprotected. Uh uh,
Sign on good one. Sign Kyle Anderson to two year, eighteen million dollars
deal. Signed torre In Prince two years, fourteen point six, twenty three,
twenty four non guaranteed. He's already gone. Signed BYRN Forbes, Austin
Rivers to minimums. I mean that's enough. I mean, well picked up
nas Reid's option, who is now playing a bigger role, Joshua Kogi left
Jake Layman unsigned and not in the league. Okay, did we miss I'm
trying to say, I don't think we missed anything. I think we had
all. I mean, like all that stuff was done. They've got some
big stuff obviously. Yeah, but I do think Look, I don't like
we don't I don't want to have to repeat necessarily have thing, but this
is this is the one where it's it's pertinent again. We fucked up much
better at it. Yeah, I had this offseason forever to be known as
the off season of the Rudy Gobert trade. As a B. You had
as a B. Plus, I take a tiny amount of solace and being
slightly less wrong about this than you were. You remember, I remember exactly
how I defended the Gobert trade. Do you remember your thinking on it?
Yeah? I thought that they were just gonna be regular season monsters, and
there might be questions in the playoffs, and injuries contributed to some of the
disconnect, but it just never. They had to reorient their team in the
middle of the year to make it work with the Mike Conley trade, and
even then it wasn't like Sunshine and Daisies. Man. I had those same
thoughts, and I definitely remember writing I don't know if we talk talked about
it, but in defense of the like, if one were to make an
argument in defense of the Gobert trade, one would say, or would have
said, a year ago, that's a ton to give up those picks.
That's crazy. They're all unprotected Minnesota does not tend to keep its best players,
so like the upside of those picks are like terrifying. But Rudy Gobert
is what are the a three time All Defensive Player of the Year, and
it's just a lock to make your defense top five. So if this doesn't
work, if the Town's Gobert pairing doesn't work, you're gonna be able to
in a year or two probably just flip Gobert for like you get two of
those first back major right, Like that was my thinking, and now it's
just like how many more first would you have to give up to get rid
of him? I mean, like that's I was. I could not have
been more wrong about sort of the the how do we how do we bail
out of this? Like thinking that there was a clean way to sort of
undo this if it didn't work, And that's just that was dead wrong.
There is you know, the Gobert contract, I think is probably now regarded
as one of the most difficult to trade in the league. Certainly not when
you get positive value for I don't think. So. Yeah, that's really
what this offseason comes down to, right. The Town's extension, I guess
you could say, is is maybe not great either, But the Gobert trade
we were just wrong on. That's all there is to it. I'm trying
to think the only thing that's sparing them from an F and I'm wondering if
it's enough to offset it is Kyle Enterson a Toonian Prince were good moves and
I know they really like when no more. We have not seen enough of
him. I'm like kind of intrigued by Josh might not, but we haven't
seen anything from him. So like, is it enough to be that can
we go D minus instead of an F? That's the question. So are
you persuaded at all by the fact that, like we really did not get
well even even a half season's worth of information on how the how the Wolves
best lineup might work with you know, Town's Gobert, Edwards, McDaniels,
Conley. Also, how much does it matter that they were they the hardest
opponent in the West that the Nuggets faced. I mean maybe maybe so I
think that gets us out of having to go from the B range to the
F range, because there is still a little We're still not one hundred percent
sure that this is just never gonna get off the ground. But the first
year was bad and because of Gobert's age, like you know, it stands
to reason that the subsequent years may not be any better. So I'm gonna
go I started at a B, I'll take it down. I'll take it
down two full grades to a D. I'll just go to down to a
D. I'm gonna go D plus just because as you kind of outline,
like, there's there's still little hope and so the fact that they haven't completely
neutered hope, but yeah, we have totely acknowledge that that's a that's that's
that's the tagline for the wolf section of this is there's still a little hope,
and you have to say, I mean maybe there's like if they just
stay healthy. And it's not like I don't carl anthing Town has been banged
up before, and Rudy Gobert Mike Conley are getting older, but it's not
like they're dealing with guys who are chronically apps for the most part, and
so like they couldn't just get better help this team. You're definitely gonna need
to double check me on because they always do so much shit. I'm just
wondering, like, what did what did we miss with the Oklahoma City Thunder,
so they man, they always do so much stuff. They drafted Jail
and Rid at number two. He did not play. Obviously, Derek Favors
had picked up his player option. They eventually get rid of him. They
acquired Jamichael Green, who they bought out, and that Denver two thousand and
twenty seven top five protected first round. It was top of I protected first
round pick. I guess drew twenty nine. Did I had it as after
whatever? So they have Denver's top five protected first round pick that they gave
up number thirty for that. They drafted Jail and Williams at number twelve.
They acquired Usman Jang from the Knicks for Denver's twenty twenty three first round pick,
Detroit's twenty twenty three first which is still out there. It's protected through
two thousand and twenty seven, and then Washington's two and twenty three first round
pick that's protected through two thousand and twenty six. It gets down to eight
protection. If anyone cares, the Detroit pick will get all the way down
to top I think nine protection. They also then drafted Jay will Big Jaylen
Williams at number thirty four, they declined the Dort's team option and then designed
him to a five year, eighty two point five million dollars deal, only
the first four years of which basically were guaranteed, so sixty four point eight
million. They signed Kenrick Williams to a four year, twenty seven point two
million dollar extension team option. On that final season. They signed Mike Muscala
to a two year, seven million dollars deal after declining his team option.
And the only notable exit I have down at the time was Isaiah Roby and
then, of course their favorites eventually was not on this team. Did I
miss anything, just as we missed him when we did the Sixers missed him
leaving Isaiah Joe signed on October sixteenth, so we miss it in the grades,
so that did not miss it in the grades. That's the only other
consequential transaction here that we did not have. What I mean, you're probably
looking, So I was gonna, as, what do you think that you
gave them both? Gave them a's I am looking, And I was not
surprised by that because I remember being really high on them. And then this
is like, I mean, Dan, anytime you can draft a franchise altering
rookie and then also draft Chet Homegren. That's a pretty good that's at least
worth staying at an A no matter what else we talk about here, it's
an A plus. But yeah, what's wrong with this off season? There's
nothing wrong with it. It's great. There's and I just I feel like
this very rarely happens where we viewed it as a perfect offseason essentially, and
it's some abow exceeded expectations because you got this potential quarterstone at number twelve.
Yeah, and I mean, like I guess Homegren missing the season, someone
could say, well, I mean, shouldn't that knock the grade down?
I mean, why, that's the thing. I don't feel any worse about
his long term potential. If anything, he was a guy that because of
his like his body type, probably benefited hugely from just like a red shirt
season before he I mean, he's gonna come in, he's gonna start,
he's gonna be awesome, and the team just it's loaded. I just,
yeah, this this is a great offseason. I have no notes at all
that we don't need it. There's there's nothing, there's nothing too quibble about,
unless you think that Peyton Watson is going to be a star, but
hey, you know what itaps will kind of cushion that blow. Yeah,
you can't. You can't say dork got too much because it's really just a
four. So he's now he's got three years left guaranteed for like twenty a
pop. That's he can be offensively damaging, but it's like a team at
a heartbeat will give you positive value for that contract. Oh yeah, no
question, he's still so I mean, yeah that yeah, that I'm just
looking for ways to criticize this and I just don't not see there's no twenty
seven four years. The Denver thing and they did more of that. This
off season was about we have so many picks and so many guys that we
need to figure out a way to defer otherwise we're gonna end up cutting people.
They're still gonna have to cut people this year. So that like even
that's kind of a home run unless you think, again, at Peyton Watson's
gonna hit, But you look at this team minutes, what was he gonna
do here? Like, how are you supposed to find one for Baton Wattson?
Anyway? Yeah, what a good offseason, all right? That brings
us to the Blazers, which I have so starts with it's so interesting to
look at all this now with all that's gone on with Portland since signed signed
Joe Cron into a four year deal, I guess basically remove the interim tag,
right, uh so, and subsequently acquired Jeremy Grant. You're gonna have
to like remind me what the hell happened here, because on the sheet we've
got it as acquired Jeremy Grant and number forty six for number thirty six in
the twenty two draft Milwaukee's twenty five first and a twenty six second rounder.
So they just take him into space? Is that what it was based?
I think they had that CJ McCall him trade exception. Okay, all right,
walking first has gotten like so or Milwaukee's first are just like floating all
over the league because that was the twenty Was that the twenty three Milwaukee first
five? Yeah, that was floated. It was it's with the Dicks now
it was with the pell kids at one point. Like that that's making that's
making the rounds a Bucks twenty five for I mean, I guess that's a
little too soon for the like maybe our discord members are clamoring for us to
record a podcast about recent events, and like Janis did did make the comments
that he's not sure if his futures in Milwaukee and so that doesn't matter for
this season, I don't think, but twenty twenty five that pick is all
of a sudden a lot more interesting. Yeah, It's like when everyone talked
about the Pelicans having the Lakers picks as just total lottery tickets, which they
didn't turn out to be necessarily, but same same idea. Okay, well
this is not even related, but they have that they have the Lakers pick
this year, but they could just defer it, and so that could mess
with the Lakers and how they're going on the trade market. And also it's
just there's still that element of are the Lakers a little combustible? Like was
the Western Conference Finals run? There's so many fascinating draft pick commitments around the
league. I know, it's fast. Speaking of fascinating draft picks, the
Blazers pick Shaden Sharp at number seven, who was just like this mystery box
of an obviously super athletic player that just nobody had any film on. I
mean, I'm exaggerating, but like he was the super high upside guy that
we're not sure about because we haven't really seen him. That turned out well.
Drafted Jabari Walker and signed him to one of those Hinky's kind of hinky
ish specials three years, four point eight million, a pretty good deal for
a number fifty seven pick. They got Gary Payton the second from the Warriors
three years, twenty six point two million, last year's a player option.
Signed Anthony Simmons. Forgot about this four years, one hundred signed Yusef Nurkics
to four years and seventy no options, which goes through his age thirty one
season. Signed Drew u Banks to a veteran minimum deal. Signed who Man
I forgot this too. Gave Dame that two year, one hundred and twenty
million dollars extension not looking great, takes him through his age thirty six season,
where he will make sixty three point two million dollars. Wavens stretched Eric
Bledsoe's partial guarantee, lost Joe Angles to the Bucks. That's it, I
think, unless we've had some late entries after we recorded this. No,
I'm not seen anything that really standed like just a bunch of normal end of
a roster stuff. Oh wait, no, the nos little extension four years,
twenty eight million dollars like him, just I need to financial security.
I'm injured all the time. Ended up being a smart decision by him.
Yeah. Yeah, so we were both high on this, me slightly higher
than you. I was a B plus. Do you have you looked at
your grade? Do you know what you were? A B B? The
Dame extension, I think and the Nurkicsch deal both look bad to me now.
They must not have at the time. I imagine I defended the Dame
thing as it's the going raid and you're rewarding the guy who's been super loyal
and will never ask for a trade in a million years. That I actually
know though, that running from the grind is great Cardio, So why are
we so? I mean, I think the sharp I don't think we could
have possibly known enough about Shade and Sharp to make that a big reason for
the deal. I guess probably getting Jeremy for a trade exception probably stands out
as a good move, except they just have now overpaid him. But we're
not factoring that in. And I think at that time that Milwaukee pick did
not look as juicy as it was now, like the back end protection on
it, because like the Pelicans have it. If it falls, I think
one to four and that it's five to thirty goes to the Knicks. Now,
I believe that's the protection on it. I don't like you can't know
that that's it was just the first round pick for Jeremy Grant. We thought
they were winning our team. I think the Simon's contract actually looks better to
me. Yeah, I mean just because like look at what like he was
probably the best of Tyler Hero, Jordan Pool or j Barrett like that sort
of quick last year. Maybe Tyler Hero was better. Maybe And I always
lump Maxie in there, But then he doesn't have his deal yet, So
man, I think what is the big the pivot point. I didn't like
the I don't think either of us like the use of Nurkics deal at the
time. By the way, he's fine. I just thought that was too
much for the going rate. The day extension is the Do you criticize the
organization for that or is that more of a dame thing because the reports say
he pushed forward. Is it's just a collective with I don't know how to
view it. Yeah, I don't know what to do with it, and
it must there's no way we made these grades without that being a significant factor.
So that suggests that we couldn't have been that low on it at the
time. It just this is why we read we regrade. It's like,
now it looks really bad because I don't look really bad too. And I
know you mentioned him, but did you mention it was really bad Gary Payton?
The second stuff, Yeah, just wasn't healthy, and they it just
couldn't help him. I'm sure that I made the case that, like all,
this guy is the perfect the perfect fit alongside you know, Simons and
Lillard because he's gonna guard whoever they can't, and he's gonna be defensively disruptive
and for the first time, Portland's gonna like make opponents feel them on defense.
But he just he was basically a zero for them. So yeah,
that that hurts. I'm gonna go I'm I'm ready. I'm ready to regrade
Dan. I'm gonna go down to a I'm gonna go down to a C
plus because I think sharp looks really good now. Yeah, so that that
that looks better. I do have a question for you about the day of
ex session before I figure out mine. Would he have been more valuable if
he didn't tie the extension as a trade piece that only wanted to go to
one team? Where it's like, would there be would teams be more willing
to give up something because the deal isn't as long term, or would they
view it as a higher risk because oh, he only has two years left
on his deal rather than four, so we're not even gonna get involved here,
And maybe that would even give Miami cause to low ball them further since
he's closer to free. I don't. I honestly don't know where I land
on it. That's why I was curious your thoughts. I think if the
question is does that extension make Lillard from a from an acquiring team perspective more
or less palatable, I think it makes it less palatable. And I think
because all you you hear about teams and you can't discuss Lillard trade without mentioning
he's gonna be making sixty three million dollars when he's thirty six, like you're
on the hook for that. That's like, I think that's a massive hindrance
to acquiring dames. So I think it's I think that made it harder.
It's not the same as like you're trading for a twenty seven year old guy
that's got four years left and like that's a benefit as opposed to if he's
got a year or two when you're up in the age range. The dame
is a longer deal is like I think, is a negative generally. You
know, with some exceptions, like you you know, maybe he costs less
to acquire because he might leave and that's priced in. But I just for
this specific case, I think that extension made it much more difficult for a
team to justify giving up a lot to get him. I'll go so you
were C plus, I'll go down to a C just because I think this
that off season was at least further evidence kind of like how what they did
or didn't do around the trade devide in the middle of the season. If
you knew you were operating on that much of the precipice of a rebuild,
they're having an over haul your direction, what you did last offseason does not
show you had a good feel for that uncertainty, right, Yeah, that's
fair. Which our last team in this division is the Utah Jazz, who
boy, the day they haven't aunt, you were gonna have to quadruple check
this. Quinn Snyder resigned. They then signed Will Hardy do a five year
deal. Grant, Why did they do that five year deal? Why did
they do that? Traded doing the finger it's in the windhorse fingers for anyone
that's not watching this on you. Yeah, I could't should have had that
meme qewed up. But so they traded Roy something you know, the nets
for a twenty twenty three first round pick least favorable of Houston Brooklyn, Philly.
They then created an eight point eight million dollars TP that they used on
Leandrew bow Marmo and the advant Jared Vanderbilt in the Rudy Gobert trade, speaking
of which they traded Rudy Gobert, who the Wolves for Malik Beasley, Patrick
Beverley, Leandro Bolmo, Walker Kessler, Jared Vanderbilt unprotected in two twenty three,
two thousand and twenty five, two thousand and twenty seven, a top
five protected pick in two thousand and twenty nine, and then they have unprotected
swaps in two and twenty six, and oh none in two thousand and twenty
four, there's no swap this year. Kudos to the timberwol was a nice
piece of business right there for them. They and that is notable exits.
Daniel House left, they waved one earn and Gomez has On Whiteside did not
sign with Anyboddy Eric Paschal left. Do we miss anything that happened after that?
Yeah? Trade, this was wow, great little couple little somethings.
Donovan Mitchell for sure, but boyam Bogdanovitch trade also, So the first they're
just pouring into the jazz after after we graded, Yeah, they were,
and they have another It was basically the same setup. They got unprotected first
from I mean they got Larry Market and as part of the Donovan Mitchell trade
too. I can't I just like forgot about the Donovan Mitchell trade for a
second. Uh, that's just man, just absolutely wild. Offseason, they
signed Colin Sexton as part of that neal. Four years and seventy point one
million dollars was part of the assigned in trade. They also got Larry Markus.
We mentioned oak BAGI twenty twenty five unprotected first, twenty twenty seven,
unprotected first, twenty twenty nine unprotected first swap rights in two thousand and twenty
six and two thousand and twenty eighth, they did they Oh they also you
know the other thing we forgot they traded talent Horton Tucker or are they trade
for talent Horton Tucker for Patrick Beverley. Basically, I think I now think
that's it. I think we Nick comes on as part of the bognonomous trade.
I think we said you mentioned Kessler, so we mentioned was part of
the Yeah, that was they were just a mess because I'm sure we the
Dono Mitchell trade rumors were definitely in the ether in August. We were probably
just like, hey, we have to do this. What so we know
you know what they gave him? I gave him an A minus. You
gave him an A What is give me the logic that prevents us from giving
them an A plus? I don't. I The only we have to do
it we have to go away plus. The only logic I think that I
remember missing on was this team is going to be so bad they're gonna have
the inside track for women Yama and that that didn't come to pass. I
imagine that was priced into this tear down is like you're tearing down at the
exact although I don't think we'd had the showcase games of the women Yama scoot,
like the doubleheader that we got. I forget when that happened, but
it was probably after this, so maybe at the time it wasn't just a
dead certainty that Wemben Yama was going to be generational and someone you should tank
for. But I do remember thinking like, this is a team poised to
lose a million games and have the most ping pong walls, which was not
the case, And it didn't matter because this is still an A plus and
I think this is even better offseason than the thunder because you had to like
swing a bunch of deals to do it. I do, I do think
what's interesting, and it doesn't. It's not gonna impack they're great for me
at all. If you do getting into the conversation of, well, what
happens after this season, you're gonna start talking about lowry marketings next contract,
and if your own picks really aren't going to be super high end you need
then these picks from other teams that you shorted to be high end. My
counterpoint to my own point would be, they don't they have so many picks
that the way that they could improve doesn't necessarily have to be through the draft.
They can go out and make a trade, or you could only say,
hey, we could take swings if we're getting these mid first rounders.
And I also like this year. Okay, they don't end up with the
highest pick, but I love Taylor Hendrix and so like it. Kind of
you didn't get Webbi Yama, and you would rather look Larry Market had a
great year. You would rather have Victor Webbed Yama for sure. But it
was just it was a great off, like if you're gonna tear it down,
this is just a daddy age reset the star trade market for a minute
to where you didn't see other players that I even think the dejan Day Murray
stuff. I don't know if that was that was before this though, wasn't
it? It was? It was talked about in concert with it though,
as like whole should look at these packages teams are getting for players. I
just didn't even think like that. You might have overpaid for de Jante Murray,
but it wasn't like the level of Rudy Gobert overpay there in assets.
But he reset the trade market to the point that I don't think teams understand
how to trade their stars now because other teams are not going to give up,
right what Danny Ainge got? Yeah, Danny Ainge swung two deals.
Certainly the Gobert is in its own the Gobert deals in its own stratosphere,
but swung two huge deals for packages that like basically scared everyone. So so
like it's you know, it's not like he reset the market, it's he
like cranked up the expectation on a star player trade two levels that we're just
not going to hit again. Like that was a one This is a one
offseason thing. I don't think because even the Durant deal or the Bill deal,
you know, you've got all these picks in there, but it's not
the same. It's not it's not the same level of stuff because it's like
marking in is not a throw in, Like that's I mean, he was,
He's an All star, so like even set it is not just your
typical salary matching player no either, Yeah, yeah, no, great,
I mean ridiculous phenomenal offseason. Where does that take us now, Yallas Mavericks,
do you have them pulled up or do you need me to do it.
I got it. I gotta go back to the top here. I
allied to you. I don't have it pulled up, but I'm gonna get
there. Dan, You're just gonna have to edit around this dead stamp that
the we're odd to the Dallas Mavericks. That's uh, go ahead if you
have it pulled up. I can't find it now. I got it all
right, you go. Acquired christian Wood for Sterling Brown, Trey Burke,
Marquis, Chris Bobon, Marianovitch, just a bunch of dead salary and the
number twenty six pick basically is what the christian Wood deal hinged on, signed
Theo Pinson to a one year deal, got Jaden Hardy too on a three
year, four point eight million dollar deal. Signed to Vale McGee three years
four point eight and I think it maybe fourteen point eight. I can't remember
the bulk of the mini mL E. I mean, really, this is
the most the most significant thing Jalen Brunson left. Signed with the Knicks for
four years, one hundred and four million. I don't have anything else on
our sheet from last year? Did I miss anything? For Dallas Whinnicks,
Dead and Max and Cleveland in September, three years, thirty three million dollars
that Josh Gray picked up his option. That's not I mean, that's that
just happens. It's good for them that he picked up his option, obviously,
and uh yeah, that was the only that was the big that was
the big stuff. I'm gonna knock this grade down so far, Dan,
because I'm just not seeing any positives here, even just the Brunson deal alone.
Can you really why you were more caught? I gave him a D
minus. You gave him a C minus the first time around? What was
I appreciated the Christian Wood trade? But what were you just smitten with?
Yeah, that's a great question. I think probably I thought the Wood deal,
you know, a late first rounder and basically dead money, was a
good swing to take on a guy that everyone agrees had tons of talent.
But now we're on like stop seven in his career. We know now that
it's just like, although I've already sort of talked myself into into him working
out in LA, I'll be wrong again, probably, And then I guess
I must not have thought the Brunson departure was as bad as it turned out
to be. And you know, really The issue with the Brunson thing is
them, is them not signing him to whatever, that incredibly cheap deal with
like the fifty million dollar one that they could have. I don't know,
I forget when a year before should also be the spin of like, well
he didn't really give us some opportunity. Yeah right, this has got to
go. Just I'm gonna go down to an F. I was at a
C minus. I'll go I'm not gonna go F minus. I see you
want to take the floor because I see you've already given an F minus.
I mean, I was so low to begin with the jail losing Jalen Brunson,
regardless of how it happened, when it happened, when you actually lost
him, was it months before, a year before whatever? You lost him?
And he turned into an All NBA caliber player with the Knicks who had
shitty ass spacing around him, and so imagine what happens when they actually put
real facing around it was like, imagine what Shay's gonna do if oka se
can open up the floor for him more consistently moving forward? And then the
Christian would deal, which I actually liked, ends up being a complete disaster,
like just like, and I will say the look of giving up a
first round pick to get him is bad. I don't know who, Like,
are you that high on Wendell Moore or Blake Wesley or Nikola Yovic or
Peyton Wattson? Okay, sure, Andrew demhard would have been fun for this
team with Joe and Brunson leaving. I will say that, yeah so I
but it just it looks bad. You what did they do? What did
they do that was good last off season? I guess Jayden Hardy at number
thirty time, I mean the Javal McGee deal was probably the worst contract of
the off season. Well that's an that one is like indicative of dysfunction too,
right, because it seems like he was promised the starting job, or
at least it was made, you know, promises maybe too strong, but
he certainly thought he was going to start, and he just wasn't playing at
all within like a few weeks. So just a huge miss, which like
that wasn't gonna be a good signing no matter what. But they really like
turned it into a yeah, how are you not going if minus or it's
Jade Hardy your most improved player pack, I'm not sure I'm not sure we
did give the Wizards an F minus. But if that who here's a fun
question. I mean, probably the Wizards had the worst offseason because I think
it really handicapped their future more because because the Mavericks have Luca and the Wizards
don't. And that's when it comes down to, well, yeah, I
mean, if the Wizards are the standard, I want my F minus to
mean something, and so I'm not going to give more than one. That's
that's my reasoning. It has nothing to do with how bad the off season
was. It's just there's got to be the one terrible, worst one,
and that's going to be Washington. Well, with with all due respect,
you're a coward. That's just where I land on that. The Houston Rockets
are me okay, And they drafted Jabari Smith at number three, drafted Harry
East at number seventeen. We both loved him. Hey, look, they
were on the other side of the Christian Wood trade. They sure were.
I'm not gonna go through the details because you just did. They acquired thy
Ty Washington and Mini twenty twenty five two twenty seven seconds for when no More
at number twenty six. They signed Jason Tait to a three year, twenty
two point one million dollars deal, team option on the final season, agreed
to a buy out with John Wall. He gave them back about six and
a half million dollars and that's all the big stuff we have. They let
Dennis Schroder leave at that point. Did look they did lose traveling Queen who
was the MVP of the Brunson League. Apparently I have that had the notes.
I don't know why, I why I felt the need to put that
there. Did anything else happen after that? After August fifteen? That that
I'm missing. We are missing the Kevin Porter junior contract extension, which is
sort of topical depending on when this comes out. But that did for anyone
who wants to hear it. We did not ignore it. I recorded about
a ten minute intro on it. The allegations against him are terrible, and
I have no patience for people who are saying that training him is okay and
it's part of the business. Why should they be penalized They knew maybe they
didn't know that Kevin and I was this, but the contract doesn't suggest it
proves that they understood he was a wild card off the court and you should
not be able to but they're not the victims here, and you should not
be able to profit off of domestic violence. And I mean that for a
team that would trade for him as well, because you could say, yeah,
they're just gonna waive him. They're still capitalizing. Why is Kevin Porter
Junior gonna have any picks attached to him because he beat the shit out of
his girlfriend, Kira Godresik, and that opportunity wouldn't be there if the domestic
violence then happened. They should absolutely be destroyed for this deal. I don't
know if you saw Grant the piece that came out of Clutch Points. If
even half of the information that article is true, this extension is worth f
infinite minuses on its own and just absolutely an abhorrent shit from the Houston Rockets,
just complete total It's not ignorance, it's they enabled this. They enabled
this, and it's it's disgusting, it's heartbreaking. So we did cover it
in a previous podcast, but just wanted to throw that there so people didn't
think we were glossing over it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know
what to do with it as like a transaction because it's just difficult to separate
talking about it as a transaction, and so it's it has to be compartmentalized
in the sense that it's gonna detract from their grade. But it's not,
Yeah, we're not grading this is you know what I mean. It's just
I think, yeah, I don't I don't really like I I don't know
what to do with it. It's basically, it's three non guaranteed years after
this upcoming one, right, and it's like fifteen points something million, and
whether he gets that contract gets traded or not, I don't know. I
don't know what to do with it. Like so we I guess we could
just leave it aside and try to try to pivot to like the other moves.
I could set an F minus as an organization. That's that's the more
important. I don't want to grade it, but like, that's that's what
this is. If it's not, I don't even know what I gave them.
I don't have their grade pulled up. Since we're doing these off the
cuff, which has made it more fun, by the way, not this
topic specifically, Oh my god, this is yeah, right, you're gonna
have to figure out how to I honestly don't know how to reconcile it and
don't want to offend anyone, but like I honestly, if we're doing it
through those terms, I like Jabari Smith Jr. I like try Eason.
Did you even finish going through their transactions? I'm sorry, please go No,
no, you you've hit it. That was it. That was the
only one we didn't get to. I'm like, I mean, I don't,
I honestly don't know what to do with this. It's not an incomplete
I mean it, first of all, it deserves to go because of this,
And just like I don't know that Jay Shawn tad extension, he was
really banged up. I guess you did get rid of John wall I still
really like Jabari Smith and Tory Eason. As we mentioned, I don't I
mean the Christian would trade worked. I don't. We probably should have discussed
this before we got I don't know what to do with it. Like,
well, here here I'll tell you what I we can. We can just
not discuss Porter because I don't think he would have been a huge factor in
our thinking on the overall team grade. It wouldn't have been in mind because
I never really liked him that much as a player anyway. But so I
suspect that because I was higher than you, you're a minus. I was
an a. I gotta believe I saw the drafting of Jabari Smith Junior at
three as a huge win because and maybe it was all a smoke screen,
like he was gonna go first. I think most people thought up until draft
night, so that's probably I probably viewed that as a big value pick.
He had a rough first season, and especially rough like first, you know,
several months of his rookie season. I do think most people, and
I would count myself among them, are pretty optimistic still about what kind of
player he can become. I don't think he's a superstar. I think he's
a very gonna be a very good two way player on good teams. We
both loved Tarry Eason. I think we both loved him like from the jump,
just because of the player type that he is. We've also we have
a type on this podcast that's it is him, But I still am kind
of I guess we must have liked getting out from under John Wallace contract.
It's hard to still looking back at this figure out how we both got into
the A range I gotta downgrade it significantly though, because Smith is not a
franchise alterer and Eason's a nice player, but you know, maybe a starter
down the line, maybe like a bench energy guy. So I'm gonna go
and just forget Porter. I guess I'm gonna go down to just a like
a C C plus because I think getting out from under Wall, now that
I think about it, is a pretty pretty good move. I'm actually pretty
high Underbarri Smith Junior. Still don't think he has that upside. I'm going
with I'm going with an F because and I am factory Kevin Porter Jujor in
the sense that even if you want to say, stick to basketball bro.
In the piece of clutch Points, they talk about how the reason al Prude
Shan Goud wasn't playing as much was because they wanted to have a lob threat
on the four. For Kevin Porter Jr. You tailored your team then entirely
too much around this guy who clearly didn't think or weren't you weren't sure that
he was gonna be able to be a stable part of your team. That
shows a really big disconnect. But maybe a D minus because I liked try
Easton and Jabari Smith Junior. You're mentioning getting out of wall or I'll go
D plus, but divorcing from the domestic violence allegations, if you were actually
planning your team and your direction around Kevin Porter Junior, that tightly why it's
not even I don't know how I felt about him as a player. I
went on Simon on Lee's podcast a few times with a past year I talked
about he thought Kevin Porter Junior was a better playmaker than I did. I
just never saw the theory of what they were trying to turn him into.
Doesn't mean I hate him as a player, but you're taking that player like
that. That's like the Jazz plating their future around Jordan Clarkson. Basically,
it's how I look at it. So that's like disturbing from a basketball perspective.
Yeah, sure, so that was who that was. Hopefully we did
navigate those waters too. Happy. Never been happier to move on to the
Memphis Grizzlies, who I think I have right. Yeah, we'll just say
happy. Uh. Scientist Jones two year, twenty nine million dollars deal sign
John Morant, who his five year extension worth one ninety two point nine.
It's a designated rookie extension with no options, and can get up to thirty
percent of the cap if he makes all NBA, which I guess now he
just can't this year, so he's not gonna get thirty percent, I think
under any circumstances. I'm trying to think. I never remember the specifics if
there was exceptions, but I don't know. If it's a suspension, is
going to count as an exception. I wouldn't think that that it would not
looked looked the way it's been framed is that it's potentially cost him tens of
millions of dollars. So we're just gonna assume he's not eligible. So that
deal looks better now. Got Kennedy Chandler at number thirty eight from the Spurs
for the Lakers twenty four second and a million bucks, signed him to a
two year, seven point one million dollars deal, extended head coach Taylor Jenkins
for a couple more years. Got Jake la Ravia for Walker Kessler. They
forgot their involvement in the go bear trade anyway, and I don't think they
ever actually had a chance to keep Kessler. Is that right? Because this
is gonna look a lot worse if they did and failed to ended up with
David Roddy and Danny Green for d Anthony Melton not in love with that one.
Signed John Conchar to a three year nineteen million dollar deal or extension,
I should say all fully guaranteed. Uh. Signed Kenny lofton junior or the
second. I can't remember how he prefers to call it to a two way.
Kyle Anderson left, that's we don't. Jared Colver unsigned and probably will
be unsigned in perpetuity. Uh. That that's all. That's all I got.
Sorry for the shots fired at Jared Cover. Yeah, what was Jared
Colver's out of your catching straight? Great? Damn. So let's see.
I've already looked at the grades. I gave them a C. You gave
the Grizzlies a C minus. I can vaguely remember our broad criticism of the
Grizzlies offseason, but I'm curious you're a little lower on them, So I
wonder if you do too. Did you know this? I'm trying to understand
what was happening with the Walker Kessler pick. I might have like I thought
there was a typo with the notes, but Like, did you know that
the Jazz are like originally owned the Walker Kessler pick that they ended up with
in twenty nineteen. That pick was traded as a future two twenty two first
with Grayson Allen, Darius Basley and Jake Crowder and Kyle Korver two of the
Grizzlies for Mike Conley. Like, that pick was part of the Mike Conley
trade? How did it end up in Minnesota? Uh? It was traded
by the Grizzlies with ty Ty Washington to the Timberwolves from Jake la Ravia at
a twenty twenty three second that turned into Gregory Jackson, and then the Timberwolves
turned around and traded this pick with Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley blermo, oh
no, that's not I'm sorry, that's the Gobert one. So that's like,
that's how it ended up back in Utah. That kind of funny.
Could they could they have just kept that pick and drafted Kessler? Yeah?
Why couldn't unless I'm missing something they chose to like they wanted Jake Labia teams
Like, No, I mean that's tough to justify in hindsight, but but
okay, I mean, like, could you imagine Walker Kessler and Jared Jackson
Junior in the same front court. Good, yeah, all all of the
shots get blocked in that situation. There's like, no, every team's gonna
shoot like twenty percent. Wow, that looks I guess I didn't process this
in real time, but like they gave Walker Kessler and number twenty nine to
move up three spots. I'm so unsure that they actually could have gotten Kessler
that I'm not going to think about this in terms of my regrade because I
don't want to be wrong about it. But do you remember our blanket criticism
of the Grizzlies offseason They didn't make a swing? Yep? Yeah, I
think and we we talked to Keith per about this a little bit in their
their look ahead, the Grizzlies look Ahead, and it might have been the
case that like that swing just was never there, so we were being unfair.
But I still, I still, I'm still a little bit annoyed that
they didn't just go get like the guy or a guy. I suspect that
that's the main reason we were both in the sea range for them. Dude,
I have to I might I'm gonna bump them down to a D minus.
I have to factor in the Walker Kessler stuff here. Maybe they never
would have picked all right, how do you here's the thing, sorry,
I hold on, hold on. Nobody, nobody knew Walker Kessler was gonna
be Walker. That's that's they never would have picked him, and they were
also they were then fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty teams
that passed on him as well. That's fair, I got, But that
is I like, I didn't process in real time that one the Jazz initially
owned the Walker Castle. I didn't. I forgot that too. And then
the journey, like the Grizzlies having it was just not something I remember.
So I I'm gonna pump them down to a D anyway, because it was
clear, just based off they were still really good. Again, it was
clear that they should have taken a swing and they didn't. And then you
wait for a swing that I'm just repeating what you said. That's kind of
I don't want to say underwhelming, but it's I would say it's a modest
swing. Or you boxed yourself into a corner to where you needed, like
a player to fill so many different roles that you maybe couldn't take the swing
that you wanted, or now you split your swings into two where you couldn't
do like a true consolidation. Yeah, I think I gotta move down a
little bit because the Marcus Smart trade, I think you're we're making the same
point, does sort of prove that you did need that guy or a guy,
and Marcus Smart is not the ideal fit there. I'm just gonna go
see Minus. Just just move it down a little bit because otherwise, like,
I don't see anything I hate here. You know, the Merant deal
was like, of course you do that. Tias Joe was a good value.
He's gone now, but you know, oh yeah, I'll go.
I'll go see Minus too. I'm being cute. Yeah see Minus, all
right, I forgot you are right. I didn't even think of it in
those terms from the team perspective, the contract itself. I guess he's considered
more of a risk now, but we know he can play. It's like
having him on that without the all NBA escalator mattering. That's a that's good
for this. I'll go. I'll go see Midus house Man. These these
past two teams have been very loaded, right, Can we please get to.
I don't know, because you have the Pelicans now that you're gonna have
to talk through. I'm oh, don't worry, I'm ready. I'm ready
to talk about the Pelicans craft. Don't you worry. Drafted Dyson Daniels at
number eight, Drafted EJ. Liddell at number forty one, who tours ACL.
They signed Zion Williams into a five year, one hundred ninety two point
nine million dollars extension. It does have the all NBA escalators, which clearly
doesn't matter now because that is kicking in. He did not make it.
There's a weight and body fat percentage where he must total under two ninety five
protections on a year to year basis that we're not fully clear at the time.
And I actually I don't know if you've dug into what those protections might
look like. Now, it's pretty they're not like I don't want to say
they're not real protections, but like he needs to have this career ending injury
or something like. That's how they're innoculated against it. And I don't think
that's a I don't know if that's a win for the organization. I think
to not have to fully guarantee it, okay if you want to look at
it that way, but I think I kind of fall into the camp of
if Zion Williamson had even if you guaranteed the money, whether it's not guaranteed,
whether it's like it is, you're just absolutely screwed if he becomes a
someone who can't be moved because he's injured, whether his money is guaranteed or
not. So and the protections, by the way, like still TBD per
SPO track like we don't. I don't know that they're public knowledge moving right
along though, that is it that they did. They lost Tony Snell,
so that's a big one, am I forgetting anything that happened after August fifteenth.
A couple of extensions, the first of which is CJ. McCollum two
years sixty four million added on to his deal. Larry Nance Junior also extended
I don't have let me two years and twenty one point six million. Pretty
darn good for a guy that closed a lot of games for you. So
and the McCollum one, I think is kind of just, you know,
slightly above market, but he's a name, and that's not a ridiculous extension.
I guess for him. I gave the Pelicans, as I look here
now a B. You had them at an A minus. I wonder why
I was so much lower than you. Probably I was just I've definitely been
completely out on Zion as a franchise cornerstone at points, and this was probably
one of those where I was just like too scared of the downside of signing
him to that deal, and maybe maybe unrealistically suggesting that the Pelicans should have
waited a year or whatever, Like I don't know how plausible that would have
been for them. I gotta believe that that's why I was so negative or
relative. I mean, it's still a bee so negative, give them like
a really high grade negative relative to you. Are you changing anything here?
Has anything has enough changed? Or have we learned enough to feel differently about
this offseason? I think so you could view the CJ. McCollum extension as
more of a net negative. I still just don't think it's a bad deal.
Maybe it's a slight negative. I think the bigger miss here one.
I like Dyson Daniels a lot more than I did coming out. He is
already like caps Loft bold text italics defender and that's great. The questions about
a shooting there's real. Him and Ushman Jang are two guys I'm fascinated with
because when you watch them on the ball, whether it's they're actually handling it
or they need to just make quick passes while they're on movement with maybe out
even ever putting that ball on the floor, they have that feel. But
what does the shooting look like? Because those are gonna be huge swing pieces.
So I liked that more. The Larry Yang's junior extension. We probably
were high on it. I think it looks even better just in the current
cap where the Zion Williams and stuff. I probably have the same view is
because this was not an injury that was chronic. This was just another injury
creeping up. What else were you supposed to do in this situation had you
waited until this year? What would that actually? I mean, are you
getting him for what? Would he not have gotten the max in restricted free
agencies? So maybe you save a little bit of money. I'm gonna keep
it an a mins because I do think they I don't know they probably they
should have been more aggressive in acquiring shooting. I know they had Trey Murphy.
But like even this offseason, you kind of look back and it's should
they have changed up like the front court to include more shooting. Should they
looked at getting a guard who could shoot better. They're really gonna look like
rely on or not rely But with the Trey Murphy injury, now Jordan Hawkins
could be really important as a rookie. It's kind of the same stories last
season when you look at where they struggled at times this year. My counterpoint
of that is their defense, by and large was great. They're good at
rebounding. They can limit opportunities in transition guys are for the most part,
they don't. They're not good at protecting the rim, but they limit how
much opponents get to the rim, which is a big deal. And then
their offense when Zion Williamson was on the floor spacing be fucked was just still
one hundred and ninety points pro an hundre possession or something. I'm gonna leave
it the same. There were still some missed opportunities. I still remain this
will be the year if Zion can't play in sixty games or most of the
season, like maybe they rest them whatever with the new rules within it.
That's when I will go back and relitigate did they make a mistake. I'm
just reticent to call it a mistake because to me, in the situation that
the Pelicans are in your path to a title, is betting on this guy
and it working out right, And not only that, consider the market.
Consider again. I'm just I know everyone's sick of this, but like as
an asset preservation, like if you are not going to build the title contender
in New Orleans around him, you can theoretically trade him like that for something
as opposed to like, So yeah, I was trying to decide, like
how differently I feel about Zion's outlook on this deal now versus a year ago.
And I think you probably have to feel worse because he did miss another
season and he did have some like maturity slash off court slash decision making issues
that you know, it doesn't matter as much as him not playing basketball for
most of the year, but it's also not nothing. So I think I
feel a little worse about it, and since that's the biggest thing, I
should move the grade down. But again, I think you're right, Like
what else were you gonna do in this situation? Like can you imagine if
they had said, we're gonna wait a year. We're just we're not going
to extend you yet. I think then the Zion's getting out of New Orleans
goes crazy and you have to deal with that. Despite his injury, if
he didn't sign an extension, would he have just taken a qualifying offer?
Would have been though they're offering you a like someone was going you would have
gotten a four year max offer from someone on the open market. Anyways,
he just would have signed that weren't offering it. So that's a very roundabout
way of saying, I'm just gonna leave it too. I'm gonna call it
a be I just can't. I guess I can't penalize the Pelicans for that
deal. And that's really, you know, with respected you know, Dyson
Daniels is someone we both like looking pretty good as a number eight pick.
I think it's just all the Zion thing, and I guess maybe my opinion
hasn't changed enough to really move that great Do you want to take us to
the San Antonio Spurs? And I'm kicking myself right now because I have not
time stamped the Pelicans or the Rockets and now I'm gonna have to go back
and post what do the peek behind the bummer curtain? All right? So
gosh, this feels like a thousand years ago. But the Spurs traded de
jan Ta Murray and Jacque Landale to the Hawks for Danielle Gallinari, who has
waived Charlott's twenty three first with the top sixteen top fourteen protection in twenty four
and twenty five respectively. Got a twenty five first unprotected from from the Hawks,
got swap rights in twenty six, and got twenty seven unprotected first from
the Hawks. Drafted Jeremy Sohan at number nine, Malachi brand I'm at twenty,
Blake Wesley at twenty five, got Kelvin Johnson on a four year,
seventy four million dollar extension. Some unlikely bonuses can bring that to eighty,
which would still be a darn good deal, claimed Isaiah Robie. Traded Kennedy
Chandler, who we mentioned already to the Grizzlies for the Lakers twenty four second
and a million bucks. Lost Lonnie Walker the fourth to the Lakers. And
that is all I have unless unless we have any wire moves, you know,
after August. So there was the Josh Premo stuff. He got waved
by San Antonio after allegations of sexual assault from a therapis therapist or psychologist that
worked for the team. They did also signed Charles Bassey to a two way
contract after we recorded. I don't know this is this is another morally tough
franchise to handle because how do you view the Josh Premos. They knew about
the allegations way before they waived him, and that was in response to the
not the allegations, but the allegations becoming public. Yeah, I mean,
I don't mean to give that. I was a dismissive. Yeah, it
was like I was gonna say, yeah, but I don't care about that.
Of course that's a huge deal. I just like they did waive him
though, you know, like they did they and that's yeah, they did.
They did make the right decision and they did it. I mean,
you know, he was a high pick and he was really young. Like
there's definitely a franchises around the league that would have, I think probably not
gone that route. So I'll be honest, like, I'm not going to
factor Josh Primo, mostly because as I was thinking about this, he wasn't
on the list and I'm you know, already kind of made up my mind
about what I'm gonna do for the Spurs here. But unless you have more
to say about Primo, like are you, I don't see you. We
both we gave really high grades to the Spurs and I'm not seeing a reason
to change anything. Yeah, i'd probably leave we both had a's. I'd
probably leave it as a when looking at the transactions, and I'm not We're
not dismissing the Josh Primo stuff at all, like we could bump them down
to an A minus for not that's like it was different because they weren't planning
These are regrades and I'm not trying to marginalize the real, more important off
court shit that's happening. They were not tailoring their team around Josh Primo to
the extent that the Rockets apparently were with Kevin Porter Jr. And that's what's
so disturbing about the Rockets organizationally. Yeah, that No, that's totally.
If that's a big distinction to draw, I think it's it's two very different
situations. I mean, like some hits here, so in at nine,
I mean like that we both love him Kelvin Johnson, I'm, you know,
gonna be something less than a than a star, like might not make
an All Star game, probably won't make an All Star Game, but wouldn't
be crazy if he did. For average annual value of less than twenty million.
That's like, that's good business. The Murray trade I think looks really
great, even though he did extend. And part of the reason I think
san Antonio moved him was that he wasn't gonna how about look you if you
want to in theory, I'm not gonna ratchet it up. If you don't
trade de Jontay Murray, you probably don't have Victor Webberian. No. I
mean that's I think that's a given right Like that's I mean, unless did
Murray get injured and or something. You know, your odds are way worse,
like wick like, like significantly worse. And there's it turned out there
was nothing more important this season for the Spurs than maximizing those odds. So
yeah, that that's a great point. The other and I really quickly on
Kelln Johnson, it doesn't even matter to me. I don't I would bet
against if you gave me point five All Star games for his career, I'd
take the under. But as of right now, and these proteciers can actually
go up, he is never on this deal the highest, the most,
the largest share of the cap he will ever account for his next season at
fourteen point seven percent. Yeah, like he's a starter for most teams in
the league, right, I mean there's I'm kind of disenchanted. I don't
know that he can broaden his offensive horizons, like I was hoping the you
know, the off the dribble jumper or something, maybe even the above the
break three in general feels kind of shaky, but just a home run deal.
So I wouldn't change a grade there. I'll recap these very quickly,
but I don't I didn't jop down your Minnesota Timberwolves regrade. You went from
a B to it was it a D? I probably had to Let's see,
you went down two full. I bet I went down to a D.
Let's call it. I thought that's I just didn't want to do it
on your behalf. So let's recap here the doubt very quickly. The Dallas
Mavericks. I gave them initially a D minus. Grant gave them a C
minus. I gave them an F minus. Grant gave them an F.
In the regrades, the Denver Nuggets, we first I gave them a B.
Grant gave them an A minus. We both bumped them up to A
plus is the Golden State Warriors, we both gave them a B. I
knocked them down to a C plus. Grant knocked them down to a B
minus. The Houston Rockets, I had an A minus, Grant had an
A. I bumped them down to a D minus. Grant bumped them down
to a C minus. The Los Angeles Clippers, I gave an A minus.
Grant gave an A. We both bumped them down to a B.
The Lakers, I had a D plus, Grant had a D minus.
I bumped them up to a C minus. Grant bumped them up to a
D plus. The Grizzlies, I gave them a C minus. Grant gave
them a C. I stayed at a C minus. Grant knocked them down
to a C minus. The Minnesota Timberwolves B plus from me and a B
from Grant. Initially I bumped them down to a D plus. Grant gave
them a D as he just mentioned it before. I had an A minus
for the Pelicans, Grant had a B. We both stayed the same A
minus for the Pelicans from me, B for the Pelicans from Grant. The
Oklahoma City Thunder a's from both of us that were bumped up to A pluses
from both of us. The Phoenix Suns, I gave them a B plus,
Grant gave them a B minus. I bumped them. I kept them
at a B plus. Grant left them at a B minus as well.
The Blazers, I gave them a B. Grant gave them a B plus.
I went down to a C. Grant went down to a C plus.
The Kings, I gave them a B minus. Grant gave them a
D and we both gave them a's on the regrades. The Spurs, we
both gave them as they stayed at a's. The Jazz I gave an A
minus, Grant gave an A They both we both gave them an A plus
on the second go around. That was these were I'm not gonna lie.
These were treacherous waters to navigate in the West compared to the East. They
were tough. They were tough for too many like off court reasons, unfortunately,
but I remember, oh go ahead, I was just gonna say,
good exercise to do, because it really forces you to question, like your
way of thinking and hopefully refine it going forward. We'll see if that actually
happens. Your biggest miss was clearly, I mean, are both are Our
biggest miss was? Actually, your biggest miss was the Kings. I'm even
sure. Yeah, that's I went from a D to an A on them.
I don't think I did. I didn't go that far on the wolves
in the other direction, not quite so. Yeah, that was. These
are instructive. Hopefully you guys like these. If they do poorly, we
won't do them again, probably because they are like a little they're a long
podcast, but hopefully you liked them, and we're trying to hold ourselves accountable
here. However, grant you know what time it is. I am accountables.
It's oh wait, no, I'm not taking us out. It's time
for garb It's it's the best time. Qu quick wit woll That is the
new garbage time sound if anyone watches the show Superstore. We are gonna just
go through. These are random exercises that we will eventually clip as shorts,
but they're kind of fun and instructive and the ones that we really enjoy will
probably bomb. So then and I do not give each other any notice on
what is coming. That's how garbage time works. And they are light,
they're digestible, they're fast. We're not justifying shit as we're doing it.
Do you want to start or do you want me to start? Okay,
I'm gonna start. I'll start with what you always do to me, which
is give me two players with stats they're somewhat similar in a particular area,
and force me to guess between the two of them, which has more of
them. Today we're talking about career triple doubles. Okay, I will give
you two players. You tell me who has more career triple doubles out of
these two plays. We start out with Draymond Green and Demontas Sabonis. Who's
got more domas by one great guest thirty two to thirty one? Blake Griffin
or DeMarcus Cousins. We don't have to be active players. If that wasn't
clear, Oh, I'm gonna say DeMarcus Cousins, it is Blake Griffin.
That is also a margin of one ten to nine. H Josh Giddy versus
Bam Autobio Oh, it's got to be giddy. You wouldn't have done this
otherwise. It is h Kyle Lowry versus Chris Paul A couple of vets.
Oh, Lowry, Kyle Lowry, excellent, you got it twenty one to
eighteen. Alpern Singoon or Kyrie Irving Alpryn Schangun. It is Kyrie Irving three
to two. Damn it. Okay, that's all I got for that one.
So let's go back and forth on this. I'll give you mine.
I have this good luck on this grant. That's all I'm gonna say.
Which NBA player has received more MVP Award voting shares for their entire career?
Lebron James or Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Nope, it's Lebron James.
That's try though. Kobe Bryant or Shaquille O'Neill. I'm gonna say, Kobe,
Shaquille O'Neill, Kevin Durant or James Harden. Uh Kevin Kevin Durant,
James Harden at least close? At least Kevin Durant. They're close, Yes,
they're they're close. But I mean there's only two. You only have
two options here, so you're just wrong. I don't really going wrong every
time. I will let you know if there's a huge gap. And okay,
Steph Curry or NICOLEA. Yoki Oh jesus uh Yokich, Yes, correct,
Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook. I'm gonna say Chris Paul correct. Tracy
McGrady or Dwayne Wade. Oh, this is tough because Tracy McGrady was I
was Did you know? I was a Tracy over Kobe guy for a very
long time? Uh? Still are yeah? I mean kind of. I'm
gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, Wade. It's Tracy McGrady.
Now you are terrible. Tracy McGrady, I overthought it. Paul George or
Damian Lillard, M. Paul George correct, Damar Derosen or Draymond Green who
Draymond correct? Nice job there? And Jimmy Butler or Donovan Mitchell. Oh,
Jimmy nope, Donovan Mitchell. And finally Daron Fox or Ben Simmons oh,
MVP Award Shares. Uh, I'm gonna say Ben Simmons, that is
correct. I was hoping I was gonna get you there. Nice job,
nice clothes. That was ugh, man, Oh, those are those are
possible? Okay, where do I want to go with you here? Okay,
this is kind of a little bit of a different one. I don't
think I even primed you for this one. We didn't prime each other for
anything, but I kind of told, hey, I got this, this
type of idea. I think this is You're totally cold on this one.
Uh. Last year, Dan, there were twenty five players who had fifty
points, or there were twenty five fifty point games I should say last year
accumulated by fourteen different players, so some had a few of them. The
most was four. Four guys had at least three. All I'm asking you
to do is name seven of the fourteen players who scored fifty points in a
game last year. Donovan Mitchell Correct, Damian Lillard? That's two? Uh?
Oh my god? Why is this already so tough? What did I
say, Donovan Mitchell? And who who's the other one that I got?
Dame? Dame Steph had fifty point? Did you inclue playoffs? Did you
have a fifty point play game? Regular season? Oh? I'm taking back
by Steph Curry. Guess Lebron Uh no, fifty burgers for Lebron, James
Harden Uh none for James Joel embiid correct, that's three? So how much
I actually get three misses before I fail? Yeah? I think you've got
your will give you miss of two misses, already missed twice. Then well
I'm gonna say, no, you've got you've missed twice. You get one
more miss Oh my god? Why is this so hard? Jason Tatum?
Correct, you're missing the guy with the most the most fifty? Was he
the guy with the most? Yes? All right? How many is that?
Do I have? You got five? All right? All right?
I feel I feel a little bit better about this. Yo. Kids had
to have a fifty point game? Did he have a fifty point game?
I don't think he did. No, so close? You want some more
I can I can give you. I'll give you a bonus, guess I
don't. I feel like I don't deserve. Jannis had three? Okay,
all right, so that's six. H Zion didn't have one last year,
so I'm not gonna count that. I don't think Watchum Move had one.
I don't think Shay hit fifty. I'm trying to think did Davis hit fifty?
There's some wild ones in here. There's some wild ones. I mean,
there's a few guys where you're like you'll remember them all. But when
I tell you, but oh man, I can't. I can't tap out
anything like I'm gonna give you credit. I'm gonna give you a bonus correct
answer because you did say steph and then moved off it and he had two.
Damn it. You want to hear the rest, just for the Clay
Thompson had one fifty four, Pascal Siakam had fifty two. Julius Randall had
fifty seven. Uh, Mitchell, you got Lillard. Drew Holiday had a
fifty one. I remember that. Darius Garland also fifty one. Anthony Davis
had fifty five. Devin Booker had fifty eight and fifty one. He had
a pair of them. Oh Booker A damn it, moving off of Steff
and forgetting Booker. I can't forgive myself. That's those are rough, Grant.
This is gonna be. This is gonna be for the podcast. It
is gonna be a long one. They'll be. I might split them up
into probably two separate ones when we clip them. Bleacher Report ranked the top
one hundred NBA players for the twenty three twenty four season. Which player finished
with the higher ranking? Oh Man Okay, Jalen Brown or Michael Bridges,
Jaylen Brown correct, Steph Curry or Jason Tatum Tatum yes, he was five.
Steff was six. Jimmy Butler or Sga Jimmy no je Gilissandra was eleven.
Butler was twelve. Anthony Edwards or John Moran ooh Edwards correct he was
fifteen. Jah was twenty one. Scottie Barnes or Victor wemban Yam I'll say
Wemby Nope. Scottie Barnes fifty three. Victor Wembanyama's sixty three. Brandon Brandon
Ingram or Trey Young Trey Nope. Brandon Ingram was twenty nine. Trey was
thirty. Hirry Caliburton or Lowry market in Haliburton. No, it's marketing thirty
two. Reese was thirty three. Devin Booker or Kevin Durant. That's a
great question, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Durant, Yes, he
was eight. Booker was nine. Pallo Bean Caro or Kaid Cunningham m Paalo
Nope Kade thirty eight. Palo was forty Kawai or Damian Lillard. Oh,
man, I wish I knew the criteria for this. Uh, I'm gonna
say Kauhi he was correct thirteen. The Lord was fourteen. Austin Reeves or
Marcus Smart. Austin Reeves correct, he was sixty nine, very nice,
and Marcus Mark was seventy one. Jalen Green or Chris Paul. Oh,
it better be Chris Paul. Yes, he was tied with Reeves at sixty
nine. Jalen Green was eighty. LaMelo Ball or Andrew Wiggins. Oh,
I think people would say LaMelo. Yeah, it was Andrew Wiggins though forty
five to forty eight. Bradley Beale or Jalen Brunson Brunson Nope. Bradley Beale
was thirty four. Brunson was thirty six. Kyle Kuzma or Michael Porter Jr.
Oh, great one. I'm gonna say Kuzma Nope. Michael Porter Junior
seventy one. Kyle Kuzma seventy seven. Drew Holliday or Zach Lavine Holiday.
Yes, he was thirty seven. Lavine was forty four. James Harden or
Kyrie Irving. I'm gonna say Kyrie Nope. Harden twenty two, Kyrie twenty
five, Bam Or Domas Sabonis Bam correct, he was twenty seven, Domas
was thirty five. We're gonna do a repeat here. Jalen Brunson or Darius
Garland M. Garland Nope, Jalen Brunson thirty six, Garland thirty eight.
Pascal Siakam or Karl Anthony Towns Siakam Nope, Karl Anthon Town's twenty three,
Sam twenty four. Those were tough. I'm not gonna lie. At least
there are only a couple of part the ones that I'm missing. Oh,
that was tough. That you gotta like think, like, what are the
voters saying? It's not my opinion? And I'm trying to guess what the
consensus for anyone who cares, and I think everyone who listens to nose at.
Grant and I are full time writers in Blue Sport. We did not
participate in the NBA one hundred this year, so these are not literally clearly
Grant, if I had prior knowledge, I hit it really well, because
I think I missed more than half. Okay, here is the one I've
been waiting to throw you. Uh, this is a segment called You'll Never
Guess, and we have easy, medium, and Heart. I will start
you off with easy. You just have to guess the player, and I
will give you small hints that hopefully you'll won't need them all, but by
the time we get too hard, you might first hint. And I like
to give these in first person just because it's kind of fun. I have
led the league in total defensive rebounds three times. I am left handed.
I have made three All NBA teams but only one All Star Game. That's
weird. Uh. I made my debut in two thousand and eight two thousand
and nine for the Clippers, with whom I played through twenty seventeen eighteen,
and I've bounced around since I just en you got it. You didn't even
need my last two, which we're gonna whether I was supposed to wait or
no, no, whenever you have it. Okay, okay, I destroyed
Brandon Knight was my next one, uh, and I just won my first
ring. Was the last clue for that one? All right? Easy was
not difficult for you, which is why not gonna lie? After the first
two clues, I was like, oh, this is harder than well,
you gotta start a little broad. Okay, uh medium. I averaged at
least twenty points and eight assists six times in my career, and I said
averaged. This player is no longer active. I was the number four pick
by the Milwaukee Bucks but never played there in the stacked nineteen ninety six draft
that included are you ready, No, my god, assist? Oh my
god. This is the number four pick in the draft that included Allen Iverson,
Marcus Camby, Sharif abdu rahiim Ray, Allen Antoine Walker, Kobe Bryant,
Pagristoyokovitch, Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neil. He went ahead of all but
three of those guys. I'm from Coney Island and I went to Georgia Tech.
Allen Iverson, No, he didn't go to Georgia Tech. Oh my
god. I have one of Grant's favorite dunks, which you can't read my
mind, so that's not going to help you. I started with the Minnesota
Timberwolves. That was the first team I played for. No, we didn't
average at assist. What is? Then? I'll give you more teams because
I started with the Wolve. I then played for the New Jersey Nets I
then played for the Suns. Then I played for the kid Nope, Then
I played for the Celtics, and then I played in China for a long
time. I have additional clues if you're still stumped. This is a Knicks
guy too. Who am I for? Who drafted? Oh my god,
I'm never gonna be able to quip this for social media. Let's see.
I believe I have a head tattoo. I think I also had a really
cheap shoe that I made cheap. So that Steph Marbury, that's it.
You got him? Oh my god. So things that I learned. I
forgot that he was drafted by the Bucks. And I'm jumping at Dirk Well,
right, that's another guy like a Buck, but never a Buck.
Okay, that was medium. I hesitate. I hesitated to give you the
hardest level, because this is kind of just mean, and it's more.
I was just stunned when I was looking for ideas for this when I came
across a particular stat, which is this, I led the league in total
assists in twenty twelve thirteen. Okay, so you're going back ten years.
That year I averaged thirteen point nine points and nine assists. For the New
Orleans Hornets. Okay, I went to Maryland. I started my career with
the Grizzlies. I was a number twenty eight picks. It was a first
rounder. I was with the Hornets, New Orleans Hornets in eleven twelve,
twelve thirteen, then Sacramento, Toronto, Milwaukee, Brooklyn. I am Venezuelan.
Maybe that will help creemous vass ways correct, he led that amazing great
job by you. We need a sound of like just rock us applause right
now. I'm just gonna play the garbage town a game. He led the
league in total assists in twelve thirteen. Thought I thought I knew it.
When you said that, I was like, there's no way he led the
league in assists. And then you went once you did the teams, I
was like, oh, it's him, And then you said Venezuela, and
I was like, all right, we're good. I don't think I was
gonna get him if you'd given me all that same information. I don't think
I get him. My last clue was my first name is very close to
a synonym for very severe or serious. It is also apparently the name of
a general in Star Wars lore. I need to fear we might have to
hire a video editor to equip those, because those are super fun. I
might even throw up I should look at how long the second segment wasn't just
throw it up as a regular YouTube video. I mean, let's you know,
if anybody's still listening now, because I teased that you should and may
have overpromised and underdelivered. But listeners, if you're interested in these, we
can come up with more. And if you're okay with either of us,
just like himing and hawing and the dead air while we try to think of
obscure players, then boy, do we have options for you if you're interested.
You got another one for me? Yeah, I have. So I
have a bunch of guests. We're gonna do guests whose NBA draft scouting report
this is. And rather than give you clues, because I think it'll be
quicker this way, I'm gonna give you four options on guests whose NBA draft
scouting report this was. So they're already in the league, So no rookies
from this season, guess the NBA scouting NBA Draft scouting report. He has
the ability to play like a guard offensively? Is it bam Adebayo, Bull
Bull, Nicole Yokich or JaVale McGee. I wanted to be JaVale McGee so
bad. I'm gonna I'm gonna overthink this and say Bull Bowl, you should
have stuck with JaVale McGee. That's so ridiculous. He's a whose NBA draft
scouting report is this? He's a poor man's Boris Dia with the shooting upside
of peril antic who will probably be the fourth or fifth scoring option when he's
on the floor. What is it? Wendell Carter Junior, Al Horford,
Nicola Yokich or Karl Anthony Towns. Okay, hold on, So you have
a poor man's Boris Dio. I love Boris Dio the shooting upside of Pero
antics. Yeah, okay, that should be a clue because that should dial
me into when was Pero antics regarded as like anything? So give me my
play joy hibberd out of the league. Give me that's true, it's so
relevant. Forever give me my options again. Wendell Carter Junior, Al Horford,
NICOLEA Yoki or Karl Anthony Towns. I think it's Yokich. That is
correct, very nicely done. Whose NBA Draft scouting report. Is this not
a standout athlete, hasn't proven that he can consistently create offense for himself,
Not an isolation player feeds off the play of his teammates. Is it Jimmy
Butler, Damardoro was in, Paul George or Jason Tatum? Wow? Well,
whoever it is, they were not correct about this person. Uh oh,
I'm just gonna say Jason Tatum. It is Jimmy Butler. Wow.
I mean that's kind of like he's evolved as a player. So that's not
I thought you were going to miss the first two and get that one that
was the most Like, that was the most Yeah, I could see how
you would have said that about Jimmy Butler. The other ones are just like
unbelievable. Jamale McGee guard skills, love it. Those are the only ones
that I have for you that I might have to bring that one back.
I hope those play well. I got a couple of truer falses that are
just kind of hanging around. You want to do I have literally two true
or falses? You're ready? Yeah, all right? Dan, True or
false? Kevin Durant has led the NBA in free throw attempts false true,
done it twice, nine, ten, and thirteen fourteen, Dan, True
or false. Alan Iverson has over one hundred career dunks false true one twenty
four. Holy crap, he had thirty something each of his first two years.
So that's he's got half his total in his first two years. That's
barely. I could not watch basketball that that long. I was like so
young, I don't remember it. That's that's all my true or false is
for you. Are we good? Got anything else? Or should I take
us out? No? That's it for me, all right. I enjoyed
it. This was fun, Dan, We had a real smortgage board of
content today. Uh So, thank you to everyone who made it this far.
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