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better reccess. Let me get that potograph?

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Sports Talk Radio starting now. What's
up everybody, and welcome to episode

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two hundred and sixteen of Let Me
Get that Potograph. My name, of

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course, is Drew or the d
Agent, joining me and my awesome co

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host mister Scott Rappaport and his little
puppy. Whose birthday it is? What's

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going on? My man? What's
going on? Yes, it is Trip's

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birthday today. He is three and
that's a career. As I said earlier

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that that's twenty one in dog years. So we're hitting up the bar and

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the casino a little bit later.
There you go, There you go,

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And it sounds like he's happening to
party there today. So have fun,

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Trip on your birthday. Oh,
welcome everyboy into the show. We've got

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a lot of awesome, awesome stuff
to talk about today. We spend a

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little bit of time in the green
room hanging out chatting with you guys.

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If you just joined. We are
live always on YouTube as well, but

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we're gonna get right into it.
Scott let's dive in with the big news

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of the week. JSA sold sold. What the hell talk about coming out

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of left field? I've I've heard
a lot of rumors and a lot of

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stuff that's going to happen, and
we're gonna speculate on some of that today.

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I hadn't heard a word about JSA, So this is something I've actually

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been speculating on for a long time, but not by not getting purchased by

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Yeah, my speculation over the last
year or so was that there was gonna

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be some sort of merger between JSA
and SGC, and obviously, with SGC

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getting bought by Collectors a couple of
weeks back, that is, Yeah,

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there's no need for it. So
it's not really a shock because CSG did

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not have an authentication division, right, and let's be honest. They there's

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a lot of stuff that they could
use that you know, would require authentication

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of some sort. Yeah, autograph
comics, autograph cards, autograph memorability.

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They couldn't do. Autographed comics was
a massive, massive hit to that industry

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for forever. And so that changing
opens up in that market, which isn't

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necessarily you know, the card market, but in that area of the hobby

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opens up an entire new an entire
new field, an entire new pop report

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area, everything. I mean,
it's it's a massive move that really didn't

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expect to happen now CSG and there
you know their companies that are all since

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they have to change their name for
everything, they're great. All those companies.

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You know, they're owned by some
pretty influencial own big name people,

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so that not a lot of people
know that. But this company is owned

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by quite a few very very big
people in this uh in the world,

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and it doesn't surprise me to see
them do this. But like I said,

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I would have thought s GC.
But then, like you said,

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they have PSA DNA now, so
they don't need it. Well, well

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not necessarily because they're still not they're
not going to be integrated with PSA,

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right, but that eventually that could
come eventually. My again me speculating would

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be that you know, somewhere along
the line, even if they even if

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they forever remain separate companies that you
know, PSA would loan them some of

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their authentication people to use. Well
that's well, that thing. The idea

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was to help each other with fraud
and also I mean, I think it

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helps PSA with their vintage and you
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them separate and have people work together
and so, you know, and share

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that information to better both companies,
which now they have a vested do.

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But the JSA move, I mean
it positions CSG very very strong in the

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grading gap. Now CSG seems to
have I'll tell you right now, doing

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collecticons, CSG sells better than SGC
in TCG world, night day, all

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day long. Like it. If
you look at slabs, we have a

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buying booth every single one and we
get people that come up all the time

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we're selling and buying. It's always
PSA or CSG or some crazy grading company

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I've never heard of. So CSG
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Now, well, if you compare, if you compare TCG to the

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sports card world, if you look
at vented, the way that CSG versus

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SGC goes with the TCG stuff is
like how PSA and Beckett go from a

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vintage standpoint, they've been doing it
longer, you know, that was their

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primary focus. In fact, they
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You know, that's only within the
last couple of years. So TCG

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was kind of their bread and butter
when it comes to uh, you know,

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card grading. Oh yeah, and
that's so that's the reason that CSG

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is, you know, sells better
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A lot of acronyms, we have
a lot of acronyms were thrown.

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Yeah, I know, I know. So how do you think this is

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for JSA? Like I understand CSG
wanting it. I totally get that.

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Like you get an authentication department,
you get one of the top ones in

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the world. But how do you
think this is gonna affect JSA? Because

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JSA was always run In my opinion, I thought they were running one of

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the better authentication companies because they ran
it with card shows and in person authentication,

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drop authentication stuff in mind. And
I mean, you could be at

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a Hunter card table show and JSA
is there no other companies doing that?

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JSA. That's where I thought they
really had a leg up because I attend

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a lot of those shows. I
see it, and they get a lot

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of action at them. So do
you do you think this is gonna change?

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Is JSA gonna change anything? Will
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They're gonna completely combine and JSA is
gonna be no more. Like So,

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how do you see this playing out? So? I see I see

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it playing on a couple of different
ways. I still see JSA doing that,

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doing all the shows, doing all
the in personal authentication. They may,

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and I honestly think that they may
keep the j s A name because

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they have some weight within the hobby. They kind of have to. They

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kind of have to keep that.
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JSA needed a company to be able
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way to slabtograph cards and autograph cultures
and things like that. So that's important

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for JSA to have that. I
whether or not it's a completely separate operation

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and it's just the CSG label with
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had the partnership with JSA before they
brought Steve on and started their own authentication

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division. I you know, it's
probably going to be a CSG flip on

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the slab with the JSA logo,
and I think it's going to be for

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authenticated items only. It's probably just
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I don't really see much choice.
I mean I could see a CSG flip

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was simply on the back of it. Like how PSA has their logo twice,

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I could just see the SA logo
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the information on the front, you
keep it well. I think it's important

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because even Beckett when they had the
JSA partnership, the the JSA logo was

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on the front of So I think
it's important to have I would put it

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small. How PSA does the small
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to have that two cluttered, you
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JSA kind of like the uh what
the funny Mike Baker, Black Diamond,

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you know things. Yeah, Like
that's like ye those lines if you're gonna

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do it. But it's gonna be
interesting to see what they do because I

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mean, like I said, this
came out of left field. But we've

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been talking for a long time on
this show now about how all these companies

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right now as the hobby goes into
very very new territory and a lot bigger

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territory. And I'll touch on that
in just a moment, Like we were

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gonna see consolidation of companies. We
knew this was gonna come. We've been

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talking about this and telling people this
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and a half, two years now, and now you're starting to see it.

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You see the the PSA, SGC, you're seeing JSA, your CS

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and CSG come together. The consolidation
effect is one happening, and it's continuing

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to happen, as I can guarantee
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there's gonna be about two or three
very very big stories that are gonna

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break as well that regard massive companies
in this industry. So this is another

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domino that's falling. As all of
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where everything kind of goes into full
swing, we're hitting that time and kind

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of related to that. I don't
know if you've heard about this. I

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teased it in the green room on
YouTube before the show, But there's been

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a lot of subtle little hints here
and there, and I can confirm now

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that it is true. But Darren
Ravelle has been doing a lot of little

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hints. He's bought collectible girls Twitter, He's talked about how hobby journalism,

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hobby media, and things like that. He's been talking about how it needs

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a revolution all this type of stuff. Well, I can confirm right,

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he's right, No, he is
right, he is right, He's right.

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There's I got on the thread last
night and uh said, my piece

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on journalism in this hobby, being
someone that has a journalism degree and with

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a fucking school for it, I
did. There's a massive overhaul needed.

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But I can confirm that Darren Ravel
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a new venture that's going to be
announced here in a couple of weeks.

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But what's interesting is at the same
time, Tom Fish put out a photo

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the other day saying exciting things are
coming with Kevin O'Leary, who's known from

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dealer, Uh shark tank, shark
Tank, Yeah, thank you? So

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is he part of the revel thank
Who knows? But you're what You've got

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all that stuff coming up? Speaking
of Kevin O'Leary, hold on. So

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maybe there's more to the than we
think because uh shine, yes put out

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a picture kind of started it all
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Yes, yeah, so is he
and I kind of kicked it all

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off. Then Tom Fish did something
Blowout. Now Darren Ravella is purchasing collectible

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girls and launching a new venture.
A new venture will be announced and probably

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through that account in some way,
shape or form. But he is getting

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and putting skin in the game in
the Hobby, which is very, very

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big for this A like, I
don't think what his venture is yet,

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Darren's Darren's venture is probably strictly on
the journalism side, I hope. I

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don't see him buying into you know, let's say, like Blowout or you

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know, a company like that,
where so I think, I think what

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Darren's trying to do is just a
guess is going to be strictly on the

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media side of things. And Trip
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I I that's what I said.
Trip seems to think that Darren Revel is

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a good fit. I agree.
I hope he does. But you know,

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they're They're My point of bringing it
up with Darren Revel is coming into

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the Hobby in an actual you know, he's tweeted about it, he talks

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about it, but he's going to
have skin in the game with a new

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venture coming. We've also got,
like I said, some major announcements regarding

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very big companies coming very very soon
as well. So that consolidation effect,

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the JSA, c CSG just another
part of a lot of dominoes that we're

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going to fault and uh in the
coming weeks. It's not going to be

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long. A lot of this stuff
is going to happen in the coming weeks

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two months because all this stuff,
I guarantee you, is going to be

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very very fleshed out and organized by
the national They have to have time to

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set that up. This stuff is
going to drop. This is around the

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time when this stuff starts to happen
every year. Anyway, you're gonna see

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a lot more and uh, buckle
up. It's gonna be fun. Yeah.

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Speaking of fun, Yeah, oh
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So Top's Dynasty is coming out tomorrow, I believe yeah, And I

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guess what they did. We're talking
about it already, so everybody knows what

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they did. So I'm just gonna
come out and say it. Something stupid

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decided to like bleed that exclusive autographic
Agreement dry and Wemby is getting an r

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PA from when he threw out the
first pitch of the Yankees game. And

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I don't like it. I absolutely
hate it. I think it's so stupid

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because a the the funniest thing to
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So the patches at least for is
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a PA's that's the Spurs number in
that patch. Okay, now maybe if

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they show other ones, maybe it
is the Yankees jersey, But that looked

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like a Spurs patch, and the
mock up that that I have it looks

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like the numbering on the back or
front of their jersey. But they went

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as far as including the rookie card
logo, getting that auto on card and

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getting a swatch in and finding some
type of product to throw it in just

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to get a wemby r PA out
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like the Tom Brady thing, like
okay, like no, no, no,

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no, no, no, wait
wait hold on, not in that

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it's something cool and neat and awesome
and different, but in their using it

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in a different an athlete in a
different prop except that Tom Brady was actually

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drafted by the expos Right. No, no, I under that. I'm

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not saying the same thing. I'm
I'm just comparing that that the fact that

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they assover in the sports that they've
been doing. I find it pathetic that

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they're doing this with Wemby just to
get an RPA out there. And they're

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doing this because they're seeing the sales
of Wemby cards because his lack of autos

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has we said helped his card market
tremendously. Is I mean it also helps

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He's fucking amazing, but true,
true, but his cards there you can

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see in the Panini's having no problem
every basketball flying off the shelf secondary market

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incredible. This is to me,
this should have been a Tops Now type

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of thing. If you're gonna do
it, yes, don't want this.

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Don't put this in a baseball product. And it's not what they needed it

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to sell the product exactly. This
looks like a cheap way to just like,

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yeah, a shot in my opinion, and it's I don't like it.

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I am not a fan whatsoever.
I think. I hope there's not

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a lot of them. I do
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the rookie card logo. Yeah,
that's a logo they used. Even looks

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more like Panini's than Tops does.
Like because even when Panini did the George

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Costanza card in National Treasure yes,
they didn't put a Rookie card logo on

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that, right, you know,
it was just the George Castanza ru which

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is cool. I actually like that
because it you know, but this one,

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well, I'm looking at it right
now. This is essentially this is

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essentially a new rookie card logo that
is so similar to Panini's and I've got

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two to compare right here. Yeah, it's pathetic. They literally curved it

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a little bit more and added one
angle on one side and that's it.

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But it looks it's a blatant ripoff
of trying to have a a horizontal RPA,

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and I I think it's stupid.
I think it's I think there were

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so many cool things you could have
done with Wemby in the first pitch and

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that type of stuff. You can
include him in all this type of stuff

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that you want with that Yankees jersey
on and I think it's cool, But

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this was this was the wrong move
in my eyes, and trying to trick

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collectors into thinking that this is going
to be viewed at as an RPA.

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I really hope that the overall market
doesn't view it like that, because I

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don't know, it just feels it
feels pathetic. Yeah, I agree,

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I agree, it feels pathetic.
I agree that Daniel Rodriguez. Normally we

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don't answer comments from the chat and
I love it. It's in that case

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we should have my Jordan Cartero cover
chip sign, I agree, or honestly,

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or a golf ball or something.
Yeah, pick because it's just it's

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ridiculous. Now, maybe this is
a sign of things to come. Maybe

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they're looking at doing a lot of
crossover stuff. They got to we talked

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about how were they signing these guys
just to hoard them or were they going

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to use them? They haven't used
them a ton, but when you do

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use them, you've got to put
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Like you said, this is a
product that needs no help set none,

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no, none at all, none
none. And you're throwing this in there

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just because what's on a couple thousand
dollars boxes, I don't know, Absolutely

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ridiculous to me. I think it's
it's pathetic. I hope they don't sell

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for a lot. I know they
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to see how this goes over with
collectors. But the Rookie card logo was

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what was really shocking to me,
and I wouldn't be surprised that Panini brings

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it up in court because is take
a look at it very very closely.

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They tweet that to make it look
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or an a flawless or an NT
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They tweet that logo purposefully to make
it feel like that. And I Meani

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at this point can just add it
to the list of lawsuits. Yes,

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yeah, and I think they probably
will, yep exactly. And on that

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note, because you know Anini going
after fanatics for money, it looks likely

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in this case we could use some
of that as well. So hand over

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the scratch. We're gonna take a
break. We'll be right back, and

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we're back. Thanks for putting up
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we're sticking around with this on the
Twitter, you guys got some bonus content.

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You got to hear Drew talk about
his feelings on Collectible Guru and Darren

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Ravel. And I will say the
feelings on Darren Revel were very, very

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positive from both of us. I
was off with the dog while we were

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on break, so I only got
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bottom, and you hear what we
were listening to you or well, we

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were talking about while you guys were
listening all those advertisements. Speaking of advertisements,

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Yes, I see this pop up
in my Facebook all the freaking time,

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and it's advertisements for Kurt's card Care. Yeah all right, so the

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reason I bring that up. They're
not a sponsor. But it turns out

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that the Wemby Prism black shimmer and
it looks like the Wemby Prism Black.

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Yeah. Before they were sent to
PSA went through the Kurts Card Care treat

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Yeah, one got a ten,
the other one got to know and it

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was publicized before. Fuck like seriously
got all right now, before we go

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any further, you just said this
is the funniest part. My god,

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if you're going to go through what, I have a lot of feelings on

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this. I'm about to let loose
on a lot of diff and stuff.

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But for fuck's sake, if you're
gonna do it, don't announce it.

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You just don't say that type stuff. If you're that like, you don't

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publicize if you're gonna do it,
I mean, if you're going to go

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behind like some of the stuff on
Kurt's cardcare, what I want to explain

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for people that don't know exactly what
it is. It's multiple different tools,

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so it's not one thing. You
can use his little kit in like twenty

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different ways for different things. So
what exactly was used is what I want

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to know. That's what I would
want to know because some of the stuff

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on there, I don't necessarily have
a problem with clean with the idea of

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cleaning a card. PSA obviously came
out said that they, you know,

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have a like don't say that,
you know, they don't want it,

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but they can't detect it. The
stuff on Kirk's cardcare, Yeah, supposedly

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it disappears not on that once it's
wiped, once it's juice, will I

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will say. Pete Steinberg from SGC
came out with a statement a couple of

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weeks about card cleaning. Somebody had
asked me about it, and he had

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He had basically said that if we
can't detect it, then it's gonna get

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graded, and if they can detect
a foreign substance on there, it will

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be graded accordingly. Yes, And
I think that's how you need, and

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I think that's where it goes.
But I'm I'm looking at this from a

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different angle right now. Now.
The there are areas of Kurt's cardcare kit

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that I have a big problem with, and that's the the parts where he's

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been like he's able to take away
creases and all this type of stuff.

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Like that type of stuff is alteration
beyond belief. It's no different than taking

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those massive pressing machines and pressing.
So I'm not in any way advocating for

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everything that he does on this,
but I think we're at a time now

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where if these cards are I mean
this, these are gonna sell for probably

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a million fucking dollars probably, or
they're gonna sell for a lot of money.

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And it's getting to the point where
a lot of sports cards and things

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like this are considered modern art.
If we go into that area and we

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want it to have the value and
the sustained value of art, then certain

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things that are done in the art
world may infiltrate into the hobby. In

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the art world. There's a difference
between restoration, which we would call altering,

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and cleaning, which is perfectly fine. And so that's where I can

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I kind of see this going because
it doesn't look like they can detect the

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substance at least from this. If
the substance truly isn't on there after it's

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been on there, if it's really
gone and there's no remnants of it whatsoever.

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I don't have a problem with if
there is any type of remnant on

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it, if it leaves any type
of anything, yeah, any residue or

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anything like that. But but let
me ask you this, there's a problem.

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So if you have a but if
you have a card that is scratched,

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you know, which is clearly you
know a problem with the chromium type

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cards. Anything that fills in that
scratch is technically residue. You're correct.

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But a lot of those that people
think are scratches that get filled in or

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not actually scratches. That's part of
the printing process. On top, they

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can simply be wiped off without a
substance, right micro a nice nice jewelers

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cloth wipe a lot of chromium cards
and get things that you think are scratches

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off. So there's you know what
I mean. And that's where I say

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is if there's no substance can be
detected, if it's truly gone then,

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because if you're filling in something,
it would have to have some type of

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residue. There can't fill something in
and then disappear, so so you know,

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it would have to leave something.
So if it leaves something, that's

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where I think there's an issue.
And all the other stuff that comes in

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those kits I have a big problem
with, well, like the creases.

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The creases issue. Really that type
of stuff is alteration because what you're really

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doing is it's basically adding moisture to
the card and then allowing you to smooth

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out the crease, yes, and
then it dries out. And he's also

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got the ones for the vintage.
He's got the little poker for the edges

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and the corners where you can make
an edge perfect again, all that stuff.

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Can't do that with the chromium stock
cards, but you gain with your

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vintage. Chances are all that was
used on these Wemby's is a simple spread,

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the spray and wipe that he does, and maybe an edge cleaner tool.

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I don't know if he has that. I honestly don't get into that

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stuff, so I don't I'd never
even look to all the stuff. I've

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just seen some of the videos.
He may have some tool that works for

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chromium stocks stuff. But to me, I mean the Wemby looks centered.

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At least the black ten loook centered. Didn't really have a problem with it.

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I mean, well, but then
we probably the other. This is

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a whole other conversation on look,
they're both one of they're both the black

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and the Black Shimmer one of one. Does it matter? Does it really

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matter what grade they get? It's
not below like seven, That's what I

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really don't under even if it's below
a seven. The rock one on one

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WW the grade six sold for a
two million exactly doesn't matter. A one

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of one grade doesn't fucking matter.
It never does. People always say,

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oh, it's gonna kill it.
No it doesn't, No, it doesn't.

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But now, but now both of
these cards, both of these cards

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have that stigma attached to it from
you know, with some people that you

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know it may be considered altered because
you know it was you know, you

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know a chemical was used to to
clean it, you know, to shine

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it up, and that you know, whether there's residue left behind or not.

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There's some people that are gonna say, hey, look, I don't

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care if it's a ten. I
don't care if the owns a nine.

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It's gonna be in my eyes.
And I'm just saying me personally. I'm

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just saying from some people, like
in their eyes it's altered. Yes,

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No, I agree. I totally
agree. It's gonna be interesting to see

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how they sell. And I don't
think it's gonna cause a problem whatsoever with

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the buyers. I think these cards
are gonna go on, and I think

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people probably forget about this here shortly
because something else will come up with some

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rookie doing something stupid. But but
like I said, a swap, Yeah,

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like like more Grady dig Jersey swap
please, somebody put a whole list

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of ones to avoid. I know, I love God. That list was

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hilarious. Yeah, And to see
I saw him this year a little put

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the comment He's like, why don't
y'all want me to do that? Jersey?

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Hey? Look, I give him. I give him credit for,

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uh, you know, for joining
at the fun of that one. Now,

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if Panini really wanted to have some
fun, give us an instant or

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you know, give us a Panini
instant on that one, Like you have

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some fun, show a sense of
humor. You aren't you know, like

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I don't know, but greedy dick, dude, I love it. I

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mean, dude, I mean we're
talking about this draft class. Hell,

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look at gg over in Memphis.
If you're not on the gg ban on

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quick, dude, does a monster
put up thirty last night? But yeah,

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so PSI and the card cleaning.
I mean, when it comes to

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all this type of stuff, like
I said, if it leaves the substance,

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I have a problem if it truly
is something. Now Kurt, I

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will say, does have an actual
background in this stuff. His father did

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it. It's a family business of
art restoration where he came from, which

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is where he learned this stuff.
So by all accounts, this could be

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something in that that's commonly used in
the art world. And it truly does

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disappear. And if that's the case, if you can't see it, I

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don't necessarily think that there is a
problem with it. Well, well,

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now to some people, they're going
to have a problem with it. Well

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no, but but hold on,
you gotta you gotta think about this from

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from the same point. It may
not be, it may not leave a

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residue, it may not be detectable
by with today's technology, but somebody may

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come up with a technology down the
road that it can't it is detectable,

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and it is well, it does
show it. So at that point,

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what happened, Well, like I
said, if it's detectable, then they

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need to be decertified, dem altered
whatever. I mean, those guys got

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really lucky that PSA came out with
the letter they did instead of decertifying those

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like going out when they put out
that advertisement right there basically saying thank you

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for helping our card get a better
grade KERTS card Care. They are very

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lucky those cards were not decertified right
away because of how big they were.

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I know PSA, I know how
they work. I've talked to the reps

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about this since I They got lucky
that PSA just was nice enough to put

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out an email on that or a
statement on that instead of truly doing what

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they could have done, which would
have you know, I don't know if

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it would have had an effect because
it's a one on one, but who

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knows. Yeah, well, if
it altered, then yes it would have

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had an effect. But I mean
they should have. They probably just could

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have just left it ungraded and it
would have had the same effect as having

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a graded because it is that one
of one. It's literally Wemby's biggest card

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of the year since he has no
autographs, yes, which means he's not

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gonna have a you know, an
auto one of one no r p A

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yeah, oh exactly, so that's
going to be you know that, that's

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it right there. And they they
took a big risk doing what they did.

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I mean that's balls, man,
that is balls. It is oh

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oh, it's balls, all right, speaking of that relations for the good

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grade. But we get Grady and
balls to do a jersey swap would be

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a good one too, h Jersey
swaps. That's what we need. We

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need just a whole insert line for
jersey swaps next year and then just toss

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that one in there, you know, just that would actually be a cool

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it would It'd be awesome. I
mean they take photos of all of them

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now, so obviously, so you
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I think it'd be cool. I
thought it was funny enough, but but

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yeah, and you know, and
that you know, I mean, you

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know, the jerseys were extra largest. Sorry man, And on that note,

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I think it's probably time to wrap
up this week's episode. So you

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know you know when they when they
change the size from extra large or double

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X to magnum, you know that
you know where that's gonna come from.

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Alright, well, guys, that's
gonna wrap up episode and sixty. Let

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me get that potograph before we go. I do want to thank are awesome

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sponsors, Zion Cases, Denver Card
Show Show, your Slabs, Slab Strong,

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stand up displays, card Ladder,
and Game Time Sports cards. Thank

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you guys so much. Could not
do this show without you. I will

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be down in South Florida this Sunday
at the boat Orton Card Show put on

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by Eric Drew. To make sure
to stop by drop off your cards for

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PSA. Got new article up on
Hobby News Daily, Pinnacle Masks looking back

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at the awesome NHL Pinnacle Masks Iconic
insert. A lot of big stuff coming

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up in the future. Got a
lot of cool episodes coming up. I'm

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working on a couple of interviews,
a couple other major announcements. We may

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have a breaking news edition of the
show here coming up the next couple of

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days as well, a little mini
version that'll be we'll put it on audio

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as well, but it'll definitely be
on YouTube. Remember, you can stream

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all the episodes on YouTube Live and
talk to us as we are recording the

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show anytime you'd like, every single
week. That's gonna do it for this

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week's show until next week. You
guys know the deal keeping for the most

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packs, foremost hits. We'll talk
to you then. Pa