WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:06.919 Breaking down the Hall the exes at all. It's Steve la Vera and Jake 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:13.119 and Salvaz. This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteenth. Hey, 3 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:15.599 welcome back to Out of the Ball here Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm 4 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:20.480 Steve, he's Jake. Now we have Simon breaking news on the ball, 5 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:25.359 breaking news. All right, We'll start with some really tragic breaking news. 6 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:31.719 Super Bowl parade in Kansas City. One person has been killed in ten to 7 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:37.119 fifteen injured in a shooting at the Super Bowl parade in Kansas City, which 8 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:45.079 is awful and terrible. You know, heavy sigh, right, you know, 9 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:48.759 you just have to hate it. And why, you know, why 10 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:52.560 do we have this? Why do we keep this up? Yeah, Steve, 11 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.840 when I were talking about it before, it's like, at this point, 12 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:58.320 no one can have any nice things. You can't. You can't. 13 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.880 You can just a couple of stupid with people. And I mean it just 14 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:04.239 takes one. I've already gotten a uh you know, I'm on the Gabby 15 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:11.599 Giffords mailing list to eat text mailing list because I've contributed to her her you 16 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:14.680 know, her pack for you know, stop some of the gun violence. 17 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.959 And she says, you got the text, but she says a very true 18 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:23.120 things. Sadly, gun violence is as American as the Super Bowl. Yeah 19 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:30.079 yeah, I think I think that sums it up total. And it's not 20 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:32.959 well, I won't even go there, go ahead, go there. Well, 21 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:37.599 it's it's not really solvable. I mean, you you have crazy people 22 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:40.799 doing crazy. It's not one hundred percent solvable. But I mean, because 23 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:42.519 we don't know that, we don't know today today, we don't know. 24 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:48.560 It's not one hundred percent solvable. But there are solutions to reduce what's happen. 25 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:52.959 Of course, of course common sense stuff for this though I don't know 26 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:56.439 enough, you don't know enough and everything. It's like you say that that 27 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.920 that's the argument, Steve. These people, these people who don't want to 28 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:02.599 do anything. They say, you can't stop at all, so don't do 29 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:07.519 anything. That's the problem here. If we did some things, we could 30 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.719 stop some of it, but we don't. Instead we say it's out of 31 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:14.960 control, there's nothing we can do, so let's not do anything. And 32 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:21.759 that's you know, that's crap. That's complete and utter crap. You got 33 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:28.400 into this tential before. I'm not gonna go just shut your micut THEO. 34 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.759 But you know, it's like it's like the waste management thing. I mean, 35 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:35.199 it is what it is, right, it's been like that for a 36 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.479 long time. Now. You have to curtail it back. How do you 37 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:44.039 put the genie bug in the bottle? True, whether you're going to try 38 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.439 to do it, do all the precautions. You think that's gonna go back, 39 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.960 and but it might be a little more sub subprit They can reduce that, 40 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.120 they can reduce the issues. They're not gonna They're not you know, 41 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.759 the guy is still going to go sit on a barstool and pee on himself 42 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.680 if he wants to, right, right, Yeah, So hard to jump 43 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:06.159 from that to the O how State had basketball coach being fired, but that 44 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:12.120 happened Chris Holtman. Holtman was fired at Ohio State, and Sean Miller's name 45 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:16.120 is being thrown around as as an early possible replacement. To Jay's point, 46 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:21.199 when this thing's happened, you could you could throw his name around, and 47 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.840 it's just people throwing names around the possibilities of someone taking that job, which 48 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:30.120 of course it may or may not be true or legitimate or very a good, 49 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:34.240 very good choice, but it's it's there it's the ink hasn't even ben 50 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:38.479 signed on the or drying on the on the firing. Yeah, but it's 51 00:03:38.719 --> 00:03:43.400 were talking about. It's like Ohio State isn't or at least recently hasn't been 52 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.919 a program where you go and think like, oh, they have great college 53 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:50.960 basketball success. So it's no, it doesn't seem like for him to make 54 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.680 the jump from Xavier to a how state wouldn't make a ton of sense. 55 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:58.039 One of the things that I think, you don't you think he's would he 56 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:02.759 take the job? Meet too, but because I think he thinks he's got 57 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:09.159 a better job already, or it's it's not so much better that he would 58 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:14.599 want to leave a place that he is home. Totally agree, Totally agree. 59 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.439 And I also think that I think that in his career he's lived under 60 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:23.279 the radar at Xavier, where the media isn't with him, everybody, the 61 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:27.000 bruises of the world aren't chasing him down asking him for where he was. 62 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.000 I'll talk to you once a week and I'll go to the game and be 63 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:32.839 okay, where Ohio State might be another I don't want to deal with that 64 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:38.160 crap again. Yeah, No, I I you're right, he's had a 65 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:42.240 taste of that. And again, Ohio State is it is a good job. 66 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.839 It's not even Arizona. It's not Arizona. It's not Michigan State, 67 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.879 certainly not. I think it could potentially it could be if the right coach 68 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:54.879 got there. Sad Mona did a pretty good job there, but it takes 69 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.160 it's like one of those sleeping giants. But it's not even in the blue 70 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.879 blood conversation. No, no, it's not. No, that's that's the 71 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.399 I'm trying to make. It's not you know, so what you know, 72 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:08.959 if he's if he he's comfortable. Xavier, he's obviously comfortable because he went 73 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:12.319 back and they and they brought it right and there and there's there. You 74 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.439 know, they can still be pretty good. He look, he's not in 75 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.199 the you know, he's in the league now where you can win the championship 76 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:23.600 from that league. Yes, so why would he leave that and and and 77 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.439 leave the comfort of where he's at? You know, Yeah, we'll see. 78 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.160 It's more college basketball, more Top ten and twenty five teams lost. 79 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.680 UNC lost the Syracuse last night. They've lost three of last five. Yeah, 80 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.839 three of last five. They're kind of in a downward spial right now. 81 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.439 And Bill self got ejected for the first time ever, which I thought 82 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.040 was his first Yeah, than ever, which I mean when Bill self gets 83 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.560 hot, he gets hot, and it happens, I don't say quite often, 84 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:54.560 but it definitely happens. So they see that he got ejected for the 85 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:59.480 first time in their loss route honestly against Texas, he wanted to get the 86 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:00.519 hell out of there in the game. Anyway, I don't want to see 87 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.839 this. Yeah, Well, another guy was was Kevin Sampson who stormed the 88 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:09.120 cord and got the hell got ejected just a week or so ago. Look 89 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.399 look what Big twelve basketball is doing to these coaches. And it's just like, 90 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.160 sure, we were talking about this yesterday and how great he Azona fans 91 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.720 are gonna go ballistic when they have to go to these places and it's not 92 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:23.839 gonna be It's gonna be physical, right, and it's gonna be tough. 93 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.399 If if you if you had who would you say if you had to guess 94 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.879 right now? Is uh in first in the Big twelve? Oh it's easy 95 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.560 because I know who. I will state a nice wow, wow. I 96 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.680 wouldn't have that. I would have I would have had I would have had 97 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:40.920 Houston. They're tied with Iowa State Houston. And you look at I was 98 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.959 looking at all the records and it's all like thirteen and one or fourteen and 99 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:49.160 oh at home and then you go on the road like it's like like four 100 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:54.000 and three or five and six, stuff like that. Well, well, 101 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:58.480 then didn't you text me or somebody on the on our text thing? Azon 102 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:02.279 fans don't understand this. Weapons ever better better everywhere right right, and even 103 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:05.360 better places right. And we're having that again. I was having that conversation 104 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:12.160 with my Wednesday lunch group. Lunch group guys, you know, I made 105 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:15.920 the I was making the point that Arizona fan somebody they're asked me, how 106 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.319 is Arizona still a number one seat? And he said, you know why, 107 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:25.000 because you, as an Arizona fan, you you have a you have 108 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.839 a bigger problem. You think Arizona's not that good because you see them lose 109 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:33.519 to Washington State and Stanford and people, people outside of outside of this fan 110 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:39.759 base think more of Arizona than the fan base. And it's very it's very 111 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.959 narrow minded here because they don't look young. Come on, you didn't know 112 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:47.240 anything about FAU until they were in the Final four or or San Diego State, 113 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:50.199 right, because you're just kind of centered here. But you think Arizona 114 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:56.399 should never lose in the Pac twelve because because they're better than all those teams. 115 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:01.120 But you know what, Duke loses to Wake Forest, and you know, 116 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:05.480 and and and Kentucky loses to Vanderbilt. You know, they other teams 117 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:11.040 lose to tell you know, Kansas lost by twenty six to Texas Tech, 118 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.839 you know, or twenty nine. You think that Arizona should never lose, 119 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:18.160 and then when they do, you think they're awful. Well, they lose 120 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:24.040 because no teams don't go undefeated. Yeah, And I think that the fan 121 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.560 base, with all due respect, is a naive to sports. Well, 122 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.799 I think I think if you go down to KYU and you asked their fan 123 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:35.799 base, they're the same way. They're they're they're killing them, They're the 124 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.080 same way. Yeah. And it's to Jay's point of it's one it's two 125 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.840 unders of the spectrum with you of a basketball it's when they win, they're 126 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.279 the best team in the country. When they lose, it's how do you 127 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.720 lose to Washington State on the road, And it's we just talked about how 128 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:50.960 Kansas on the road, they're not very good. We go, oh, 129 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.159 they got killed by Texas Tech on the road when you've a losed when they 130 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.759 lost to Stanford on the road, I guarantee you those Kansas fans are like, 131 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:01.720 oh, they lost on the road to Stanford. It wasn't like, 132 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.720 oh my gosh, they're terrible type thing. We're not sitting here saying Kansas 133 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:11.000 is terrible. It's they lost on the road, right and looked by how 134 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.279 much they lost. Yeah, But to the point of, it's no matter 135 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:18.440 what the conference, it's hard to win on the road. And next so 136 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:24.799 Indiana Indiana State a matter of Larry Bird. They were ranked for the first 137 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.080 time since since lay Bird, and then they proceeded to lose in what it 138 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:33.480 was the largest upset of the NCAA basketball season to Illinois State. Illinois State 139 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:39.440 was plus uh plus twelve hundred to win that game. Spread I didn't see. 140 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.080 I just saw it was the biggest money line upset. Well did there? 141 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:48.039 You got at Indiana State? Right? I think another point of of 142 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.320 you have to get up for every game and just because you you think you're 143 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.480 good doesn't mean anything to the other dude. Nothing, Because they would have 144 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:56.480 kicked the crap on. They don't care that Indiana State was ranked for the 145 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:03.679 first time. Bird probably helped. They're like, yes, College Football News, 146 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:09.720 the ACC approved the helmet communications system. Obviously, the NCAA has to 147 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.559 approve it before any teams can go and use it, but the ACC will 148 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.120 be ready. It's about damn time. Seriously, I am so sick of 149 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:22.000 those curtains that go up or the the watermelon signs. You know, what 150 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.120 the hell are we doing? You know? And I get it. So 151 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:28.159 maybe some schools can't afford the systems or whatever. Fine, then you keep 152 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.240 using your signals and stuff. But you know, this whole debacle or the 153 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.519 controversy we had over the science dealing thing with Michigan. Yeah, that fixes 154 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:41.919 that just like that. It does, and it gets guys, I mean 155 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:45.799 not to say every quarterback is going to go play professional, but it gets 156 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.919 guys ready ready to deal for the NFL. So I found that interesting. 157 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:50.720 That's cool. Yeah. A couple a couple of last quick hitters in the 158 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:58.559 NBA, Adam Silver was talking about how Vegas is the newest serious expansion candidate, 159 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.600 which makes the most sense. If the NBA where to expand, you'd 160 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.480 probably do Vegas and then Seattle would probably get their SuperSonics back, which I 161 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.960 am. I can't wait for the expansion. NBA expansion would be the best 162 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.679 thing for the NBA. Oh, it would be great. Or do you 163 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.879 like a Sonics? It's even barn No, it's not even that. It's 164 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.120 not even that. I don't know. I could care less about the Vegas 165 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:26.360 or the Seattle team. It's that the expansion then will shake up the You 166 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:31.440 won't see Bradley Beal, Devin Booker come to on teams spread out the talent. 167 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.919 It'll the talent will be a little more spread thin to where hopefully you 168 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.720 see teams being a little bit more competitive and you see less of the eight 169 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:45.120 and forty four pistons and a little more of what the Sacramento Kings are at, 170 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.120 like thirty and twenty three. So it'll it'll hopefully build the brand a 171 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.799 little more competitively. One of the I think concerns that people express when they 172 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:56.039 do that, though, is that is does the does the quality of the 173 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.399 game deteriorate because the telling gets spread out? Think so well, at least 174 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:07.120 in it may have been that if the expansion came ten to fifteen years ago, 175 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.759 but I think the amount of talent that is on NBA rosters is absurd. 176 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:16.799 You have you have guys on the Sons that are eighth, ninth, 177 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:22.360 tenth, guys that could be playing as a six, seventh, eighth role 178 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:24.799 and if on a on a different team. And then last year for the 179 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:31.679 NBA, it was made clear today that the Golden State Warriors made a hefty 180 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.120 bid for Lebron James at the trade deadline, and both the Lakers and Lebron 181 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.279 said no, which I mean probably rightly. So it probably wasn't as hefty 182 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.399 as they made it sound, but the Curry Lebron sweepstakes might not be as 183 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.120 far away. Did you say, well, did you see this other thing 184 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:54.639 that's out there regarding Lebron and his kid and saying that the Lakers some high 185 00:12:54.759 --> 00:13:01.240 level source in the Lakers saying that they're seriously considering creating the space for Bronni 186 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.200 so that Lebron would stay. Well, they wouldn't need a lot of space. 187 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:09.559 They would just sign him as an unrestricted or an undrafted free agents. 188 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:13.960 Well, and then, and it's begging the question, does does Bronny James 189 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.799 look like an NBA player? And he didn't to me, he doesn't. 190 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.039 I think a lot of people say he could be a G League, a 191 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:22.080 guy with improvement, blah blah blah, but he's not. He shouldn't be 192 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:26.759 on the Lakers next year. I think I think with Lebron that that fever 193 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.879 dream is slowly becoming or slowly becoming closer to earth where I think he he 194 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.200 would love to play with the Sun. Don't get me wrong, but I 195 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.080 think he's beginning to understand that it may not, may not be the time. 196 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:45.279 May he may have to play with Bryce, the the other one. 197 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.559 So that's all the NBA and then spring training. Mlbright back today and the 198 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:54.559 Dodgers open the spring training season as favorites to win the World Series. Fifty 199 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:01.039 plus three, fifty plus three, fifty those are terrible odds. First of 200 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.759 all, I'm taking them. Yeah, they're gonna take it. They're gonna 201 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:09.279 be the best you're gonna get all year. It's no value. It's like 202 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.399 just like that lady on the Titanic. Every eighty four years, it's okay. 203 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.480 So the Doyers, those lawyers, those dollars thirty three in thirty three 204 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:24.039 years, how he'll be ninety nine, ninety seven, what another thirty three 205 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.559 years for you know they're winning one this year. Show Hey Baby, show 206 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:31.879 Hey. In the next there was a video of him on social media hitting 207 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:37.279 just hitting, just the sound off the bat and then just the way it 208 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:39.960 just takes off. It's different. And then he'll be pitching in a couple 209 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.480 of years. Yeah, like, wellcat, let's go. I'm getting the 210 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.480 tear in my eye. I know. 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They use only the latest and most 275 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:17.440 technologically advanced methods of pest elimination available, which minimizes the effects on the environment. 276 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:21.000 Let Arizona Pest Control get rid of your bad bugs, termites, bees, 277 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:25.119 or rodents serving Tucson and Southern Arizona since nineteen forty seven. Go to 278 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:33.640 azypest dot com to schedule your free evaluation. Today streaming live on the iHeartRadio 279 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:38.960 WAPP This is I on the ball with Steve Rivera and Ja Gonzalez on Fox 280 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:44.279 Sports fourteen fifteen. Hey, welcome ix to twy about here on Fox Sports 281 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:47.160 fourteen fifty. I'm Steve, he's Jay. Now on the phone, we 282 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:52.200 have Britt Farra, the sports editor of the Arizona Daily Star. Britt, 283 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:55.920 how you doing? Hey, guys, how are you this? I'm curious 284 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:00.799 how long you been on the job, Like about nineteen years, right with 285 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.720 all the stuff that's gone on over the last few months. But it's it's 286 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:08.839 about nine months, Okay, that long. Yeah, it's almost like the 287 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:12.720 school year. So let me ask you, though, what's been the most 288 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:21.680 the busiest time so far? And you're probably still up against it, probably 289 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.160 because of what it's easier to be busy when you expect to be busy, 290 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:27.200 I mean one of the I mean, Steve, you've done this. You 291 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.599 and Jay both have done this for long enough that you could tell me stories 292 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.559 that would make my head spin about the days without you know, I'm not 293 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.559 trying to aid you guys, but the days of doing your jobs without having 294 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.160 access to you know, Wi Fi and arenas and all that stuff like it. 295 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.440 It would be crazy. But the reality is the best part about sports, 296 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:48.079 even when we're busy, is we know the schedule. I just saw 297 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.559 the guys from Arizon Athletics Matt Encer posted today nineteen events they're putting on, 298 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.839 including some softball games that aren't for U of A teams, but like, 299 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:57.960 nineteen events they are putting on in a few days. But it's all scheduled. 300 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.519 So like it's chaotic, that is, it's scheduled. So everything was 301 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:07.599 sort of scheduled, including even as crazy as it sounds, the Fact twelve 302 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.759 dissolution and moved to the Big twelve. We kind of saw that coming because 303 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:15.680 of sort of where Colorado stood or didn't stand, you know, as media 304 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.359 day for the PAC twelve came around and things like that, we kind of 305 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:22.279 had the expectation of that. But once we hit January and we got into 306 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:29.200 the aftermath of the initial budget crisis, talk Jetfish leaving, Dave Hike's separation, 307 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:33.119 that's the chaos I think that we weren't expecting was the month of January, 308 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:37.119 and so that to me, those three weeks or so was the craziest 309 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.400 just because we're planning for so much else. Basketball is kicking in a gear. 310 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.119 Men's basketball's climbing, women's basketball is still going, softball and baseball are 311 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:49.079 coming, But yet you have these massive, chaotic things happening that nobody predicted. 312 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:55.039 Obviously, do you hate coaching searches as much as we do? I 313 00:21:55.799 --> 00:22:02.480 hate the idea that firms are considered to be these big bastions of quality, 314 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:06.160 you know, work when I feel like they're just a boondoggle. But that's 315 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:07.880 a personal opinion. I don't think I have the data to prove that. 316 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.559 It just feels like it makes no sense. And I also laughed that when 317 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:17.559 we hear about U of a's financial scenarios and the issues that are plaguing not 318 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:19.559 just the athletic department but the university as a whole. U c l A 319 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:22.480 and is dealing with some of that too. I mean, there's been lawsuits 320 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:29.240 and legal sroceedings and and what's it called. I'm trying to think it's not 321 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:33.319 regents? Is it regents? The University of California system basically talking about the 322 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.000 same financial issues for cal and U c l A, And yet UTLA is 323 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.599 doing its coaching searches and CABO. I mean, at some point it's all 324 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:44.119 just stupid, and so yes, stay as your question day, I totally 325 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.960 agree. I hate coaching searches and the process behind them. It it just 326 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.759 it just is like brain melts one on one. What what you know when 327 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.200 when you have we have that right, you know, you got Justin Spears, 328 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:59.519 and and and and Mike lev you know are on it. What's the 329 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:04.240 expectation in terms of you know, pulling, getting information and getting it out 330 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:08.240 and the importance of you know, obviously always wanted to be right, but 331 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:11.400 also while you also want to be first, you know, you want to 332 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.039 break stuff. What you know, where's the level of priority and how do 333 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:19.039 you how can those guys be up twenty four hours now to you know, 334 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:23.119 to monitor what's going on out there. I think the benefit is and and 335 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:26.799 you know Lev is technically not a football beat writer, but he plays one 336 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.359 on TV, you know, and the sense that he's done this long enough 337 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.839 that he can he can be such an incredible resource for Justin so that they 338 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:37.480 can kind of shift work this and know that someone's on it virtually all the 339 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.519 time and throw me a little bit in, even Bruce a little bit when 340 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.119 he's got a minute to breathe during basketball coverage, that there's enough enough of 341 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:52.079 us around to be able to sort of be a part of that the bigger 342 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.200 concern, and then you throw Greg and TJ. I mean, we have 343 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.079 we have such a good team that I think that that's the real benefit of 344 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.720 it, is that anyone can fill in at any given time. The bigger 345 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.319 concerned, though, is to your point about being both right and first, 346 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.880 is I would rather be right than first. And we have had that happen 347 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.759 many times over the last six months with all these stories where we don't want 348 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:14.880 to run something and risk the chance of it not being right. And there 349 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:18.839 have been moments where we've run things that have been sourced very well that have 350 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.400 needed to pull back a tiny bit. I mean nothing, nothing dramatic in 351 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:25.799 the grand scheme of things, but I don't want to be not correct on 352 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:27.920 anything, right. But so it's a matter of trusting who your sources are 353 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.319 and knowing that they're dependable and and things like that. That uh becomes a 354 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.920 really tricky part of this business. And I would rather have sourced everything. 355 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.559 I mean, I was one of those people ten years ago when I would 356 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:44.319 see, you know, ESPN dot com have ten ten headlines up and all 357 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:47.559 ten of them say sources, call and sources, sources, sources. It 358 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.279 drove me nuts, and so I don't want us to be that kind of 359 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:53.000 news outlet, but occasionally that's what it's gonna you know, that the trust 360 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.200 level of who we're talking to, that's what it's gonna it's gonna be. 361 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:02.720 And I think that the history that Michael and Justin now have in this business 362 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:07.599 have built enough sources to know and be able to do that when necessary. 363 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.839 But the reality is we always want stuff to be sourced, and we simultaneously 364 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.240 wanted to be to be accurate, and being first is secondary on that to 365 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:19.200 me. In the world of Richard Jewel, I mean, it's kind of 366 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.000 changed the world as a journalist, right, you have to get all these 367 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.160 things to make sure you get it right because it got it totally wrong. 368 00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:27.359 Then we went the other way where we had to get like five sources and 369 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.519 blah blah blah. And now it's gone back because of the Internet and all 370 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.720 the people throwing stuff out there. You're kind of chasing stuff that people throw 371 00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:37.319 out there. That's just kind of my opinion. But I thought you guys 372 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.759 did a great job, yourself included, because I think you were part of 373 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:48.480 the byline with PJ on the nausey story. She provided most of the work, 374 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:53.599 but you guys put it together and chased down coach Adia Barnes to kind 375 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:59.039 of give an explanation. Yeah, you know, I want to give credit 376 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:00.039 to other folks in town. And as you guys know, when we get 377 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:04.880 into the interview rooms and and and stuff like that, it you know, 378 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.799 may not necessarily be us that asked the question, even though we're ready to 379 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.960 ask the question. So it was actually I think Kim Dass, a desert 380 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.920 swarm who was able to ask that question. I want to give fair credit 381 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:21.079 to her. When we were in the room with with Adiya Barnes post game 382 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.279 after you know, that started to sort of come about. But but PJ 383 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:27.720 did. The big thing when that started happening was we both looked at each 384 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:32.599 other and we're like, this is there's something absolutely necessary to cover on this. 385 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:34.880 There's pieces to this. We've seen all the tweets that had come out 386 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.759 or or posts on x that had come out, but it needed to be 387 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.079 fair and to give PJ credit. She has built enough of a rapport with 388 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:47.559 the players and the coaches and that program over the last half decade plus that 389 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.119 she's done it, that she was able to reach out to Maya and get 390 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:52.880 her to share some stuff with us. It's kind of it's kind of hard 391 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.480 because a story like that, you know, Maya takes a lot of the 392 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.319 brunt an athlete who decided, for whatever reason, wasn't her thing in her 393 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:06.480 fit. I don't I don't personally criticize anyone for that, even if you 394 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:11.160 know, I don't criticize the other side either. And so to PJ and 395 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.839 I working on that together, the big piece was we need to actually break 396 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.319 news here. It can't just be gossip. And that was a huge part 397 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.359 of it. It's so much of the sense of being gossip right like that, 398 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.200 even if it's someone's truth, it's still gossip in the sense that, 399 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.480 well, someone posted on Instagram that was shared on Twitter, that was then 400 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.680 shared on Facebook. And and I don't want a politic in the gossip. 401 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.039 If something was said that was meaningful, we might be able to go back 402 00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.720 and ask that person. And we were lucky enough that they that she was 403 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:40.240 willing to share that with us, and that and to give credit to a. 404 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:41.359 Da Barnes, that she was willing to share that out loud too. 405 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.720 Well, let me if I could real quick. So I've been in the 406 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.400 business a long time as you know, and Jay Jay as well that that 407 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.759 there's always more to the story. But you can and can I write and 408 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.559 there's stuff that you don't still know. That's the interesting you know. PJ 409 00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.680 and I have talked about this, and I'm not outing in any way by 410 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.519 saying this is actually builds my compliment to her. She and I talk about 411 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.200 this with her coverage, she has so much connection and knowledge that there's so 412 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.359 much she can't report sometimes that you know, we have to sometimes sit and 413 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.319 really dissect and break the plate apart. You know. I kind of look 414 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.440 at it like a kid who doesn't want the different food to touch each other 415 00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:18.799 on his dinner plate, you know. And we have to sort of do 416 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.680 that together because not because she needs it, but we do it because we're 417 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.720 good tandem and a good team. But the reason for that is that exactly 418 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.759 that it's parsing together the truth while also being you know, fair to the 419 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.119 people that are your sources, fair to the information that you gather on background 420 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:38.079 to pump up the story and give it the legs that needs while also not 421 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:44.119 running with things that don't have enough basis to them, and so it's more 422 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.480 complicated. And you know this better than I do. It's more complicated than 423 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.880 I think the readers sometimes understand, and that's okay. They don't have to 424 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.359 understand. It's our job to make it as clear as possible. But it's 425 00:28:53.559 --> 00:29:00.880 definitely not easy sometimes. So the whole you know, Jadfish thing that you 426 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:06.079 know, and then the job hunt after that, Brent Brennan, you know, 427 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.799 and then Cheky right right on the heels of that you mentioned. I 428 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.039 mean, you know, keeping up with all that stuff is just it just 429 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.079 has to be unreal to you know, I don't know. I mean, 430 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:21.440 as you said, you don't expect any of that, and then it happens 431 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.359 and you just deal with it. Yeah, it's the fun part of the 432 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.119 job. I mean, it sounds crazy, but it's the funniest part of 433 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:33.000 this job. But at the same time, it's also the most frightening part, 434 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.440 because it's easier to get something wrong when it's chaotic and happening in that 435 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:38.559 way, and that's obviously the one thing, more than anything else, you 436 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:44.039 don't want to have happened. So it's to me, the break neck speed 437 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:45.200 of all. This is what's the wildest. I mean, I think back, 438 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.000 I mean, we're only at what we're at, what twenty nine days? 439 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.480 I might be a little off, but I think it's twenty nine days 440 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:53.880 since jdfish left, you know, I mean twenty nine days. Like the 441 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.920 whole world is fun in circles in twenty nine days, it's already and it 442 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.640 was only two days. I read this yesterday and it blew my mind. 443 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.519 Even though that is the stories you guys have talked about it, everybody talked 444 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.839 about it. I was reading this yesterday and something that Justin had wrote, 445 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.960 just the background information about that. Jed Fish was hired on next day, 446 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.799 and forty eight hours later Arizona had Brent Brendan as their head coach. And 447 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.480 I'm like, forty eight hours. It wasn't that fast, it was it 448 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.759 was it was two days, yeah, And I mean that that just made 449 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.279 me step back for a second and realize how how breakneck all this really is. 450 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:27.680 And I don't think that's going to change, to be frank, I 451 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:32.480 mean, well, if everybody has to move this fast. If you listened 452 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.640 to Jed yesterday on that on that podcast that he was on, he got 453 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:41.039 a phone call on Saturday night. H No, on no Friday night, 454 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.079 were right after the wor he got a phone calls and would you be interested? 455 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.319 And he said yes, and then he got a call for the Actually, 456 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.279 I guess they interviewed him Saturday morning. Yeah, called that Saturday night, 457 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.000 and then by on Saturday night they offered him the job. And I'm 458 00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.440 like, you don't get hired that fast at at McDonald's or Popeye or Eg's 459 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.799 or wherever. And here you're you're making a seven and a half million dollars 460 00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:10.720 a year decision on a guy in really less than twenty four hours. Well, 461 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:15.119 and look, Arizona fans have a right to feel jilted and the conversations 462 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.559 that have happened, But the simplest part of this whole equation is on Friday, 463 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.480 jetfish with the bet as Arizona's coach, and on Saturday he was offered 464 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:27.039 a contract that was going to pay him twenty five million dollars more than what 465 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.839 U of A was even discussing with him, like, is there any debate 466 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.279 why he took the job? I can't criticize that. YEA, that's right, 467 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.279 you know, if you're right, And he did and he did, 468 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.839 Yeah, yeah, right now, now now you have you have the future 469 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:47.680 here with the men's basketball and the spring sports coming up. You're looking forward 470 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:52.359 to that nineteen events over the course of the weekend. I think I looked, 471 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:53.920 I was, I was. I was in the airport yesterday and Phoenix 472 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:56.759 coming down the escalator and they have that little clock up that says when the 473 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.279 final four is. I think we're at fifty forty nine days something like that. 474 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.519 I could be off, but it's not much. It's coming fast, 475 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.400 and there's a yeah, there's another thing, right, and another thing that 476 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:12.640 you know, you're one hundred miles away from the well a little more than 477 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.000 that because at the stadium, but you know, one hundred and twenty five 478 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:20.440 miles away from you know, arguably the first or second biggest sporting event in 479 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.119 the country, you know, each year, and so it's not like you 480 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.920 can not cover it because Arizona's not in it. You know, you got 481 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.920 to cover it, right, Yeah, No, I think this year takes 482 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.319 on a different meeting. I mean, when when it's in in I'm trying 483 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.759 to think of where Dallas or or Antonio. You know, we aren't necessarily 484 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:42.559 going to fully staff it, But I think in the state of Arizona there's 485 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:47.680 enough going on. There's the the NABC National Association of Basketball Coaches Convention is 486 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.319 there. There's all kinds of stuff happening that week. So for Bruce Pasco 487 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.880 and for our team, it's it's going to be whether Arizona is there or 488 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:57.759 not. I think we're going to have a pretty significant presence that week in 489 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.039 Glendale. Yeah, well, should be fun. We'll be up there. 490 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:07.079 Yeah yeah, all right, well thank you? Sure? Can we use 491 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:12.200 your no, can we stay in your room? Can we? Right up? 492 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.680 We're thinking of a giant Airbnb on the East Valley, so, like 493 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.200 you know, twenty minutes away, twenty five minutes away, so it's not 494 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:23.039 terribly expensive, but just you know, Beta house type scenario, meat, 495 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.240 the whole crew up there for a week. I know you do that, 496 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.119 though you don't get the hospitality suite down in the media hotel with all the 497 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.640 free booze and munchies and stuff. Unless they don't do that anymore. They 498 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:36.240 still do that, don't they do? But it's difficult. It's it's one 499 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.000 of those where they have parties here, the things will be here. It's 500 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:42.720 too far apart too far apart. All right, we'll see Phoenix for you. 501 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.440 Thank you, Brett. Thanks a whole much. Bett, appreciate it. 502 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.839 Yeah, we will. Yeah, good stuff, good stuff. There's 503 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.119 so many things, and you've been involved with this Jay behind the scenes for 504 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.599 a story, trying to make sure what's right and what's wrong, and what's 505 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.519 true what's not true. Yeah, you know the read out there, the 506 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.200 average reader has no idea. No, they have no idea that that the 507 00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.440 work that these guys and then that we used to put in for that stuff. 508 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.119 It was very nobody, you know, covering the basketball team in eighty 509 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.599 eight. Nobody knew that only had two days off from mid October until the 510 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.519 Final four was over. I wrote a column like that and my boss got, 511 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:22.679 I said, I would have get a lot of time you got. 512 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.679 Yeah, I was. I was in the doghouse for a while, but 513 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.800 this was nineteen twenty years of doing it. Yeah, sure you know. 514 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.000 Where are you? I'm on vacation, guys, that's why, man, 515 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.280 exactly. All right, thanks you, Thanks to you, Brett Fair. 516 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:38.920 That was a fun conversation. We will be back with our last segment. 517 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:43.880 We'd love to hear your h hear your thoughts, Yeah, and give us 518 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:51.119 a call five two zero, four one six. If you're an Arizona men's 519 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.840 basketball fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty years. Now take 520 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:57.840 a look back at the Ludelsen era. 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This is 561 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:58.480 high on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez sound Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. 562 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:02.400 Subscribe now to the podcast on the iHeart Radio while just surgery Eye on 563 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:06.960 the Ball. Hey, welcome back to Ie on the Ball here Fox Sports 564 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.800 Fortune fifty. I'm Steve, He's Jay sending with us today. Got fourteen 565 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:14.840 minutes. If you guys want to call what's that number? J I got 566 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.000 to memorize now five two zero four one, six seventy four forty give us 567 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.639 a buzz. Also, I should mention we got a we gotta uh. 568 00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:28.400 Somebody asked a question on on on Twitter. Do you guys or your producer 569 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.920 check your tweets during the show? If not, what's the best way to 570 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.280 get a message to you. If we can't call in, you can send 571 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.239 a tweet to us. I know I've got I'm flipping through Twitter all the 572 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.559 time. You know, you never know when we're gonna have something breaking, 573 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.039 So yes, you can. You can give us a shout out on Twitter 574 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:46.599 and we'll, uh, you know, we'll look at it and if you've 575 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:50.480 got something cool to say, well we'll mention it. And if we don't 576 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:52.719 like what we want right right Sammy. But that's a good way. Also, 577 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:59.480 uh my email my iHeart email address is on our profile both on Twitter 578 00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:01.880 and face Book, and I you know, I'll check emails, you know, 579 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.559 flip. They can always text us if they know how to find this, 580 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.840 but twitters Twitter is a good way because I'm flipping through Twitter all the 581 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:14.480 time. In fact, I was running through it just now. And there's 582 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.679 video popping up about the whole situation in Kansas City. There's a video of 583 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:22.840 one of the one of the shooters getting hot and tackled by some by some 584 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.400 people and you know, some some heroes, you might say, and uh, 585 00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.400 you know, and then of course all the all the chatter about what 586 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.960 are we going to do about? So let me ask you. Yesterday I 587 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:38.280 asked you a question about the most underappreciated, underrated kind of former U A 588 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.719 basketball player, right, Chris Mills. We talked about some of the guys, 589 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.679 guys that were good, but we just kind of didn't give them their 590 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.599 dual. I got an email from somebody and one of the listeners who said, 591 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.840 who talked about one guy? And let me ask you, why isn't 592 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:59.079 this guy mentioned more often in terms of all time best players, Bob Elliott 593 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:01.880 because he was so long ago and so many people didn't see him. So 594 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:12.159 oh yeah, total recency bias. So where does he fit? He's he's 595 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.679 I put him top top ten. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's that's 596 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:19.440 top ten. He's a second leading school? Is he? Is he top 597 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.440 five? You know? Do you put him ahead of you know, you 598 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:28.280 know Bibby and and Elliott and and uh you know Damon Stottlemyre. Uh maybe 599 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.239 he's in there. Maybe he's top five. You know. Another thing gotta 600 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:36.559 gotta think about is that you know they were in the Whack right, you 601 00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.199 know they I think they won one Whack championship. Uh. So, you 602 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.280 know it's it's but more than anything, it's recently bias. I've told you 603 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:45.960 the story about you know, say, I had gone to a uf A 604 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.079 volleyball match and you know, three guys behind me talking about who are the 605 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.320 greatest cards in Arizona history, and their memory went back as far as Mike 606 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.639 Bibby, you know, and I brought up Russell Brown to them and they 607 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.639 were like, who the hell is Russell Brown? And said he's only the 608 00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.840 leading assist guy in in the history of Arizona basketball. Well, you bring 609 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.840 up him, you can bring up Fleming, you could bring up Eric Money 610 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.440 and Herman Harris, Coneil Norman, a bunch of guys from the from the 611 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.920 Fred Snowden era. Who can you imagine how good Conel Norman is in the 612 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:21.320 three point era? That guy that you think you think Celine Stottlemeyer and and 613 00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:25.320 Gilbert Arenas had range, right, you know, let me tell you something. 614 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.400 If you remember the story, Jay, and we probably have it in 615 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.440 podcasts somewhere, one of the best guys we've had on the show, on 616 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.679 the show in the in the in the years that we've been doing this was 617 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.480 Herman, Herman Harris when he got his degree and he started crying on the 618 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.800 air and taking the people he was thinking and how much it meant to him. 619 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.559 Right, we all got cheered up them. That was so cool because 620 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.360 he was, you know, and again you know he we were Herman Harris 621 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.119 playing on the school yard, right, you know, you know, and 622 00:41:53.199 --> 00:42:00.639 we were shoot you no, from the half court Herman there he was Stephen 623 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.320 Curry before ye Curry. Yeah, okay, I just want to throw that 624 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.119 out because Bob needs to be in the conversation, no doubt. And uh 625 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.639 even we even desployed some recency bias yesterday when we were talking about this, 626 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.719 but he's up there, maybe he his top five. I'm sitting here thinking, 627 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:16.840 Okay, if he's not in the top five, who are the other 628 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.639 who are the next two after the three guys we just mentioned, let me 629 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.199 throw another name at you for the guys. And I kind of probably agree 630 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.719 with this, although he wouldn't surpass Chris Mills to me, Jason Gardner, 631 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.800 Yeah, because he's got a and he's kind of recncy bias, but not 632 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:36.119 he did. He the mostman that's played a lot of numbers, a lot 633 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.559 of very good numbers, but no one really says anything about Jason Gardner. 634 00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:42.760 Yeah, well you know you know why. Yeah, he's he's one hundred 635 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:47.400 percent overshadowed by Bibby and and and Damon. Okay, because first of all, 636 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.639 he was like and he was like Damon size that you know, they 637 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.840 were similar in size, so sim almost a similar game, right in terms 638 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.679 of running the point. You know, Damon was a was a better shooter, 639 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:02.639 you know, and then Bibby was just baby with Bibby. You know, 640 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.760 you can, I mean, you can argue that he's the best point 641 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.119 card ever at Arizona. He was on here two years. Yeah, And 642 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:12.800 it's funny because you watch Biby and you can go back and watch him and 643 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.199 I think the world of him. He's a friend of mine and we talked 644 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.960 what did he do? He had the basketball on a string, you know, 645 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.760 but he was so smooth, you never talked to anybody, didn't look 646 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:27.880 exactly like he was doing anything special, but yet what he was doing was 647 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.400 special, right right, No, No, that's a good way to describe 648 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.920 it. He's like a Seinfeld show, much ado about nothing. But it 649 00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.840 was fun to watch. Yeah, you know you were you if you're watching 650 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.960 the game. You were incredibly comfortable when the ball was in his hand, 651 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:45.400 and then when he came out of the game, you're like, okay, 652 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.559 get him, get his ass back in the game. Very very few mistakes, 653 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.960 yeah, very few, and not you know, not as flashy as 654 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.760 you thought he would be. Uh Jackson the Jackson kid mold. Yeah, 655 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.920 but he just got the job done. Yep. Yeah. No, And 656 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:01.679 that's and that's and that's what you loved about Mike Bibian. That's why you 657 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.760 I think that's why he's up there is because because of the National Championship, 658 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.599 people have an appreciation for what he was doing here, sure right, and 659 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:13.840 even that even that team the next year they didn't get as far as you 660 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.440 would have wanted it to get. He was incredibly good that year. He 661 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.880 was your money that year, an entire year until the last game. Sure 662 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.360 well all of them, all of them were good for you, right, 663 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:28.360 Okay? Uh, anything else we have wrap up for today? Anything? 664 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.559 No, you know, just uh, it's kind of getting to be a 665 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:35.840 su week. Yeah, so we're gonna have someone on Friday to talk about 666 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:40.519 the game. The Guard. Everybody loves to hate Kyle become a good friend, 667 00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.639 right, a good friend. I've spoken to him a lot. He 668 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.199 helped you for something last semester. Uh. You know one of the guys 669 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:51.639 like you know, like Horhead Martine Horhea, who's the guy cal hor He 670 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:59.400 Ramiro's Horhora, one of the Erris good Terrists. Uh the the uh you 671 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:04.519 just let he was annoying the guy he was annoying get at Stanford. Yeah, 672 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:06.840 you know one of those guys you just love to hate. And he's 673 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:08.960 one of those. And he and he was you had you hate a good 674 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:10.960 minute. But he was pretty good. Yeah. No, we'll have fun 675 00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.880 fun with him on Friday. Good to talk to him. He was good 676 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:16.880 with us before, so we'll talk. He does the t he does the 677 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.679 radio, right, he's there. He's their color guy on on the radio. 678 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:22.440 You know, after we had him on the show last time, and 679 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:24.000 I told him how much I hated him, you know, and then I 680 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:27.559 saw him at the game and with ch Added and he was fun, and 681 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.719 uh, you know, you know, I've had very very few a SU 682 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.480 friends, but he's one of them. Now I feel like I can go 683 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:37.719 up and talk to him. I'll see him. Okay, we got let's 684 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.679 take this call. Hi. You're on the air and I on the ball. 685 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:45.039 Hey, guys, how you doing. What's up? Power? Yeah? 686 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:50.519 I was, I've been listening this week. It's great. You guys 687 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.280 do a great job as usual. Well, remember about a couple of months 688 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.679 ago when I couldn't spit it out to say Pley, when you guys were 689 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:04.559 saying Who's when they they count on a guy to win it other than Love, 690 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.840 that's who I said right off the bat. Pele Larson, Well, 691 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.719 you're right, You're right. I mean I like you more now than I 692 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:16.920 did before because he's become more steady and if if Love can't hit the shot, 693 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:22.119 who else are you going to go to Larson going all the way back 694 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.960 to Fau. I'm gonna say something else. I was watching on the game, 695 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:29.840 but then I had to travel all the way to the west side, 696 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:34.719 and I was saying to myself because Colin Boswell, that's going back then? 697 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.239 How coldy was I go? I don't want Boswell to shoot it near the 698 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.440 end, to go in overtime or whatever, because we were ahead to win 699 00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:45.559 it. Those are the two guys I do not in the tournament want to 700 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:52.559 ever touch the ball follow or Boswell at the end. Anybody but those twooll 701 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:54.800 okay, because you know the hack of ball well, the pre throw shooting. 702 00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.599 Yeah, of course. Well I don't know why you're so dead set 703 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:07.880 against him well In Boswell? Yeah, Well to me, he he, 704 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.360 I think he can only shoot, at least starting the season hit the three 705 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.079 where all the other three guards can do it all. Yeah, that makes 706 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.840 sense. That makes sense, And and Bradley's doing well right now, and 707 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.800 so is kJ kJ Lewis, who might have the most upside of all of 708 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:29.079 them down the road. Yeah, that's my thing. Did kJ and then 709 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:34.559 love to be the best pros? Now? Like who to who? Doctor? 710 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.000 Lehman. He's wonderful, but none of the he there are those those 711 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.679 those are the only two pro prospects. And I think off the bat okay, 712 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.920 and hey, your son's one last night, so good for you. 713 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.880 Well they're playing against They're gonna sump Detroit. And then we go into the 714 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.239 All Star break. Okay, good luck everybody, Detroit. Hey. One 715 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:58.840 other thing, the guards we we are going to I think really do good 716 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.719 in the in the tournament because we have four good guards. So I think 717 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.800 that's gonna go. Well. I agree people. You know, there's a 718 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:12.119 lot of a lot of opinion that you know, you have to have the 719 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.400 great guards to win a championship, and most teams that have that have won 720 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.559 championships. They've had though, So yeah, I agree with you, and 721 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.239 we haven't had it that first three years with Tommy. Yeah, yeah, 722 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:23.719 I hear you. Okay, all right, dog, thanks a bunch man 723 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:28.599 than guys. That's how that's I think we had good guards. Oh thank 724 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.920 you. Just who passed away? This is like one of my guys to 725 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:37.239 your Dodger guys, Don Gullet, Cincinnati red Sin. I hated that guy 726 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.960 because he was good. He was so damn he was one of those. 727 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:44.719 He was one of the really hard throwers of that time. Yeah, seventy 728 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:46.760 five, see seventy three years old, but it was the seventy five seventy 729 00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:51.159 six years where there was a war where the Reds were real fantastic. Yeah, 730 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.480 so he passed away, you know, Yeah, you got nothing on 731 00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:58.960 that. Yeah. I was gonna say we had good guards. We had 732 00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:04.840 Ben and Dalen. Yeah, those guards were. Ben was one of the 733 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.079 best players in the country. Yeah, but and her had a good year. 734 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.880 Those were that. That was the weak link to that RR was not 735 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.400 a great The week link to that team was there was no toughness. Well 736 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:22.280 no, but I mean Kurksa was good and and you know a quality you 737 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.480 know, he was a great floor Jones d one guard, but not not 738 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.800 take you to the championship guard. Well that's what Ben was. I don't 739 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.159 almost don't even think of Ben as the guard. Wait wait, wait, 740 00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:39.119 hold on, anybody's selling popcorn here? I watch this. Ben and Dalen 741 00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.400 could have you could you could have argued that you're Ben and Dalen were amongst 742 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.519 the two best tandem guards in the car. Well, the NBA draft will 743 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:50.880 tell you that. Yeah, yeah, you know maybe he did. Guess 744 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:52.199 I just didn't see him like that. Well, here you go. If 745 00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.679 I mean, it's easy now. But if you were to say, right 746 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.719 now, would you take Caleb love and Kylon or would you take Ben and 747 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.199 Dalen the first second two? Ben and Dalen easy? Ye, not me? 748 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:12.639 Who the other two Boswell and Caleb delusion? It's it's those two dudes 749 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.239 are pretty dead. Ben on his own, you can trust Bennett or yeah, 750 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:21.400 I'm taking I'm taking I need a shot, I'm taking it. I'm 751 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:25.519 taking Caleb love See. I think I think it's closer than what Steve is 752 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.400 because I I think, but look it, can you know could Ben? 753 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:36.840 You see there's there's prison console, which I think. I think Kylin and 754 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.559 Caleb offensively, they run a team a little bit better. Ben had more 755 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.840 game, okay more By by that I mean sure, more different aspects to 756 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.400 his game than Caleb Lovey. But if you're gonna put if I'm gonna put 757 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.800 the ball in one guy's hands to get me one shot at the end of 758 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:58.119 the game, I think I'm still taking Caleb. There's no way I'm doing 759 00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.719 this. There's no way. Don't don't be in Alibi don't no, no, 760 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:06.079 I said it's close. I'm still I'm still taking Ben. Ben was 761 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.960 fantastic Chase. He saved him against TCU. I'm not saying he did. 762 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.679 I'm not saying he did. You're gonna do I'm not saying he was inconsistent. 763 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.920 Still a bucket get well. Yeah, but yeah, but you're gonna 764 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:23.559 trust him. What we're gonna have to see because well that's a stretch. 765 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:28.519 So you would take Caleb and Kaylen over Daylyn and which one of those few 766 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.880 guys has been to the final four, And it's totally fair, totally fair. 767 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.280 Are you talking of talent? I'm talking talent, will I will say, 768 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.840 also, I'm talking trust. I'm with the word you use all the 769 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.119 time. You can't take any calls. Good show today, We'll revisit this. 770 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.719 You're welcome tomorrow. Talk about this all right, Thanks for being here. 771 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:50.639 We'll be back tomorrow.