WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:19.679 All right, everybody. Tonight's episode of Wressell Magic, the gardner Michael Gross 2 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:24.839 and myself maintenance Maverick will be interviewing wrestler who, honestly, he doesn't get 3 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:28.399 enough credit for what we have seen him do. We honestly feel like he 4 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:31.480 has a lot of potential even now, and we've seen a lot out of 5 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:36.159 him from his TNA days. So without further ado, everybody, Congo cong 6 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:41.039 sir, how are you doing tonight? And I can't complain. Life is 7 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.079 good, My health is good, my strength is good. You know, 8 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:48.960 yeah, I can't complain. How about yourself? Not so bad? It's 9 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:53.399 been interesting here in the UK, Michael, how you doing? Man? 10 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:57.600 Pretty good after my little stint in the er last week. But we're not 11 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:02.840 going to get into that heart palpitation thing. But I feel much better now, 12 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:06.879 and I want to say that I'm really excited about having this episode because 13 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.599 I've watched mister Congo Kong also known as Osyrus, evolve over the last probably 14 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:17.280 seven or eight years, and so this idea in this brainchild is a great 15 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:23.280 way for us to communicate with somebody who might not have complete mainstream attraction but 16 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.920 could have more than mainstream attraction at any time he wants, so we further 17 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.400 ado, Maverick, you're the lead, you go for it, all right. 18 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.159 So, mister Wilson, I'd like to ask you to start off. 19 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.319 So where exactly did you really get into the business. Where did this all 20 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:45.000 start? For you? Man? It started. I was eighteen. I 21 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.719 was going into my second year playing college football at Saginaw Valley State University in 22 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:57.319 Michigan, and I went into a video game store called fun Coal Land at 23 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:01.760 the time, and I saw a poster for a local show. At the 24 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:06.560 bottom of it, it says, if you're interested in becoming a professional wrestler, 25 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:10.159 call this number. So I called the number and talked to the guy, 26 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:15.800 and needless to say, I was hooked. Went to go back to 27 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:21.680 play my second year of college football and decided that I didn't want to excuse 28 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:27.199 me, I didn't want to do it, And so from there I went 29 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:32.240 to the school that was in Grand Apres, Michigan. It shut down, 30 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:37.919 but then another one was opened up by a guy by the name of Joe 31 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:44.479 Ortega. He went by El Tihano and he was trained by Jose Li Barrio, 32 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:49.479 and so I went there for two years and got my wrestling education and 33 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:54.960 then ended up moving down to Indiana to go back to playing college football and 34 00:02:55.039 --> 00:03:00.599 pursuing an education there. Interesting, So what position did you play? Just 35 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:07.120 curious, man, line. I started off on the offense, offensive line, 36 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.599 and then by the time I was finished, I was defensive tackle. 37 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:14.159 I was the goal line defense. As a matter of fact. Nice, 38 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.439 nice, now, mister Wilson, Just out of curiosity, if you don't 39 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:20.800 mind me interjecting real quick, what was your size then? And what is 40 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:27.199 your size now? Let's see in college, I was probably six' five 41 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:36.840 three eighty and now I'm six' six three h three. Was the last 42 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.120 time I waved myself at the doctor? Good for you, all right, 43 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:44.280 Maverick, go ahead, all right. So, something that was brought up 44 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:47.439 by another colleague of ours, Rocky Tea, was about your move set is 45 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:52.919 extremely agile when you were in your schooling and everything. Who was teaching you 46 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:54.000 to do all these things at the size you are, man, Because it 47 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:59.000 just looks unnatural, but the way you do it is perfect, honestly, 48 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:01.879 and we're always very press whenever we see it. Then I appreciate that. 49 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:09.360 Actually, Jose or Joe Ortega was a luchador. So he taught us a 50 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:15.479 lot of the luchador type movements and it kind of, I guess started from 51 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:19.519 there. We ended up venturing to the local pool to do some dives and 52 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.680 kind of learned. You know. That was his way of kind of introducing 53 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:30.279 us to jumping off the top rope. And so I had done some backflips 54 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:34.839 while I was in high school off the top rope and I happened to do 55 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.040 one there and ever since then, He's like, no, we have to 56 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.519 try that in ring. And I was like, that's kind of hurt, 57 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:45.600 isn't it. It might, but you'll be okay, I promise, And 58 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.879 so we would. We went back to the school and we did it a 59 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:53.519 couple of times, and I say it took about fifteen years for me. 60 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:59.519 It actually hit one on somebody. But yeah, I started off with the 61 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.240 moonsalt and then some of the other stuff just kind of came along throughout the 62 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.079 years. You know. I just decided, Hey, I want to try 63 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:08.800 this, I want to do this, I want to do that knowing I 64 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:15.439 can. I did interesting interesting man. That is. So if you guys 65 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.079 haven't seen some of a Congo Kong's matches, especially in TNA. I will 66 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:23.439 say that one of my favorites was him versus Brian Cage. Honestly, those 67 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:28.439 couple of matches that they had going back and forth, those were my very 68 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:31.800 enjoyable to see. And something else that I had noticed. I'd actually watched 69 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:36.399 an interview that you had had backstage with some young woman. I can't really 70 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:40.839 remember her name, but something that you had mentioned was your music taste was 71 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.800 actually kind of like smooth listening and everything. So I'm just curious. You're 72 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.720 a fan of Ala Black and Frank Sinatra and such Alo Black. Yes, 73 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:56.800 sir, yes, yes, yes I am. Actually what is this song? 74 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.839 It's I forget I believe it's called Mama or Mama hold My Hand or 75 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:08.199 something like that what we were talking about. Yeah, it did, but 76 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.439 every time I hear it it brings me to tears. But I love that 77 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:16.120 one and the one that was pretty popular on the radio that he did with 78 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:23.040 the Vichy, and a couple other ones. Spring Sinatra maybe not so much. 79 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.600 You know, like if I hear that karaoke, I might sing along, 80 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.720 but I've never like sawt out drink Sinatra. Okay, so let me 81 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.360 ask you, are you a fan of the blues. I like some blues. 82 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.480 Yeah, I grew up listening to it. You know, my mom 83 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:43.360 was a big blues fan. So a lot of what she introduced me to 84 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:48.639 I still listen to, or you know, still still uh dabble in, 85 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:53.199 you know if I hear a song, you know, like my I was 86 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.560 with my dad yesterday and he was playing a lot of the old tunes that 87 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:00.480 you know, I grew up on, and you know, I'm just singing 88 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:08.079 along and telling my age all day. But you know that was that was 89 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:10.560 to me. That was when music was good. The stuff that they play 90 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.680 now has no substance, and a lot of it is just computer generated. 91 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.319 Like you don't. I don't feel like you really have to have the talent 92 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:24.600 these days to make good music or what they consider good music, as you 93 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:29.319 did back then. This this must be the Yeah, I was gonna say, 94 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:33.240 this must be the most interesting wrestling interview you've ever had. But so 95 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:38.519 I'm gonna interject a question real quick. So what was the one match that 96 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.720 you saw when you were going to wrestling school that hooked you so hard? 97 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.199 When I was going to wrestling school, well, when you wanted to become 98 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.439 a wrestler and then you decided to go to wrestling school. Like what was 99 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.959 that one match, that one match that you were like, either I'm a 100 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.680 fan of this guy, or I don't like this person, or I just 101 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:05.360 want to see this Like that was the person Hogan Andre and Hogan Warrior. 102 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:11.319 And yeah, I mean since I was a young tyke, you know, 103 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:15.480 my dad was like, he tells the story today. Yeah, since you 104 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.959 were about five, you told me one day that I want to be h 105 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:24.839 Hogan. And you know, it's funny because at first he was very against 106 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.160 the idea of me becoming a professional wrestler. You don't want to do that 107 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.600 fake crap, blah blah blah. And now every now and again I like 108 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.799 to call him and be like, hey, Dad, I'm doing that fake 109 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:43.279 crap for a living mind. Dude, that's pretty awesome. So our other 110 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:46.440 friend Rocky T who was supposed to join us today, unfortunately he couldn't make 111 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:50.320 it. He's my original co host son Russell Magic. He wanted to know 112 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:56.799 the significance of your face paint and what it means or how you came up 113 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:03.320 with it. Well, when I first started, I was painting my face 114 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.600 as o Cyrus, you know, as a as an eighteen year old rookie 115 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.960 in the business, you know, because again my my idols were Warrior and 116 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:20.120 Demolition road Warriors, those guys, you know Muda, So did the steak 117 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.159 behind painted faces. Well, I kind of grew out of that because at 118 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:33.679 the time I didn't really know any good paint that wasn't staining people's gear. 119 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:39.440 So, you know, I kind of shot And then once I started getting 120 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:45.080 booked for j c W and they gave me the Congo Kong gimmick, that's 121 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:48.480 when I started painting my face. And I had already come up with a 122 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:56.759 design as you can see on my right shoulder. Nice and so I believe 123 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:00.120 they were telling me the Violin Jay. They were sitting around, you know, 124 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:05.039 doing what they do, and he said, I think it'd be cool 125 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.840 if he painted his face like like his tattoo. And so I had somebody 126 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:15.360 paint my face like the tattoo and it's kind of it's stuck, you know, 127 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:20.200 and it worked out. They loved it. They've been using me since 128 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:24.840 two thousand and nine and I am, i would say, the longest running 129 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:31.159 employee that hasn't been fired. So overall, I was gonna say, you 130 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:37.480 must be too big for them to mess with. So well, finally Jay 131 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.519 text me every once in a while and then starts off with some sort of 132 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.639 way out there joker something, you know, says some way out there. 133 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.360 So they like to mess with me, you know, but they they do 134 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.519 love and respect me, and I do love and respect them. You know, 135 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.879 Without them, there'd be no Congo Kong. Be honest with you, 136 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:01.440 because I was totally against the idea of being a savage, because I didn't 137 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:11.039 want to be another stereotypical, stereotypical black wrestling you know, because for the 138 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:16.399 longest time, when you saw us, we were savages or dancers or rappers 139 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:22.159 or criminals, you know what I mean. So I kind of I wanted 140 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.960 to steer away from that, stay clear of that. But then, you 141 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:30.519 know, when presented with this opportunity, I was like, well does it 142 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.279 pay good? That was that was the main objective, and yeah, it 143 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.519 paid pretty well. So you know, I kind of kept with it and 144 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.000 you know, kind of hoped to get away from it at the time. 145 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:46.559 But I mean, again, it's responsible for so many things as far as 146 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.240 my career goes. You know, I've taken my first first flight as Congo 147 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.240 Kong. I've been, you know, my first international tour as Congo Kong, 148 00:11:56.360 --> 00:12:00.240 been around the world as Congo Kong, and so, you know, 149 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.480 as much as I didn't want to be this guy, I ended up being 150 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:09.159 this guy. But I decided that, you know, rather than being or 151 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:13.600 making myself out to be a dumb savage, I kind of looked around and 152 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.759 I thought about it, and I was like, well, Baltimore Warrior, 153 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.240 you know, he cut promos, but he was still a savage. So 154 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.120 why can't I be an intelligence savage even though I don't want to talk, 155 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:28.080 because I believe, you know, with the character like mine, if you 156 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.399 talk, you kind of ruined the mystique. Well, whenever I see you 157 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:37.960 as Stephen Wilson versus Congo Kong, you're a really, really well spoken man, 158 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.200 and you remind me of a famous NBA player. And I'm going to 159 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:52.360 give you one guess. I don't watch NBAS Latrell Sprewell. Latrell Sprewell would 160 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.320 be the biggest thug on the court. He would talk all the trash to 161 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:00.519 everybody, but when it was time to do a promo and like actually talk 162 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.799 to the fans, you would put on a pair of glasses and he would 163 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:09.440 speak like a just he would speak. He wouldn't go crazy, he wouldn't 164 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.960 talk trash, he would just speak. And it's like, wait a minute, 165 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.039 are you actually Latrell on the court or are you Latrelle at home? 166 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.519 So I like what you do. I like your psychology because you're channeling a 167 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.360 character, you're figuring out a character. You went around the world as this 168 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.840 character, so that had to be like really really awesome and just really like 169 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.919 so much energy and so much adrenaline. So I just want to know a 170 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:43.720 little bit more about the formulative years. Okay, unless I'm stepping on your 171 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.200 toes, math if if you want to ask you, this is your show 172 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.720 today, Math, so go ahead. Well, I was just going to 173 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.159 ask about the origins of Congo Kong and the whole gimmick. So where exactly 174 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.120 did that stem from? Because I've heard it was something about a member of 175 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.240 ICP just kind of throwing the idea too you and just saying, hey, 176 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.080 go out there and be like this. So what exactly was the origin of 177 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:13.919 it? Like, yeah, it was, uh, it was. I 178 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.559 got booked for a show in Chicago by a guy by the name of Veto 179 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:26.159 Tomaselli and at the time, as Osyrus, I was wearing singlets and uh 180 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:31.200 like tank top and shorts and you know, stuff that big men would try 181 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:35.639 to wear to cover themselves up. And so Veto says to me the most 182 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.399 craziest thing. He says, I would book you if you would consider wearing 183 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.559 trunks. And I said, huh. He said, yeah, I want 184 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.919 you to consider wearing trunks. He said, I want them to be high 185 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.759 enough that it covers up your gut, but I want you to show more 186 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.519 of your body because the more you show, the larger you look. And 187 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:00.519 he's like, everybody knows you're a big guy, so there's no reason to 188 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:07.240 hide it. And so I toyed with the idea, and you know, 189 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:09.159 I was like, yeah, I don't know if I can do it. 190 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.440 I'll I don't know, man. And so one day, not long after 191 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:20.600 that happy accident happened where I forgot because I originally started doing a gimmick for 192 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:26.200 a company called Championship International Wrestling in Southern Michigan, and he was kind of 193 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:35.840 the guy that spearheaded the idea before Congo Kong was given to me, and 194 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:41.200 so I forgot the pants that I was wearing at the time. They're sort 195 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:45.080 of like the baggy ming pants kind of kind of deal. Yeah, And 196 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:50.120 I had was my single that I wore as was Cyrus and the under trunks 197 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.039 that I wore underneath the single to kind of you know, suck my gut 198 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:56.720 in. And I was taggering that night with a guy by the name of 199 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:03.600 Kamala Junior. Believe it or not, no way. Yeah, Indiana was 200 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.720 known for for years for having a bunch of junior games. We had a 201 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:10.960 King Kong Bundy Junior at Dick the Bruiser Junior Kamala Junior, and I believe 202 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:18.960 there are a couple more juniors, and uh so I I was dumb fighted 203 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:25.039 on what to do. And you know, he was wearing a loincloth. 204 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.960 We'll call it. I call it a dick flap. That's what I referred 205 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:33.799 to it now, you know, just because and he had an extra one. 206 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.759 So I brought it from him and I was like, boy, I'm 207 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:41.559 gonna find out how this goes, you know, and and uh hopefully I 208 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:47.360 don't get the the go away heat as opposed to the typical booze, you 209 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:52.559 know. And so I went out there in it and surprisingly. You know, 210 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.159 I didn't get the holy shit, you're fat, you know you gotta 211 00:16:56.200 --> 00:17:03.960 go type reception. It was more of the wow, this guy. You 212 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.200 know, I'm kind of in all of this guy, and it was way 213 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:11.559 cooler than I'd ever been in the wrestling ring as well. So I felt 214 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:17.519 a lot better. And so once that happened, I decided, Okay, 215 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:22.279 I'm gonna start making my making myself a pair of trunks and see what goes, 216 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.599 see how that goes, and and it kind of developed them from there. 217 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.000 Okay, I can see, like, you know, you gotta develop 218 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:36.160 everything, and it's I know, it's interesting because like, okay, here's 219 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.440 here's the thing for you. So I'm older than you. I'm gonna be 220 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:42.160 forty nine this year, right, but if any girl asks, I'm thirty 221 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:48.799 seven, and so I can pull it off. But I weigh one hundred 222 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.480 and forty seven pounds soaking wet. I've never I've never gained weight. So 223 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:57.119 I don't have to like your physical stature. Now we have opposite physical statues 224 00:17:57.119 --> 00:18:00.839 because I don't want to show my body the same way that you felt uncomfortable 225 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:06.519 probably showing your body. But you played football. You were a beast. 226 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:08.640 So if anybody said anything to you, you just clapped them, whereas me, 227 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.160 I had to go find you, so you clapbered somebody else for me. 228 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:18.880 So that's the way it goes. But you know, I understand like 229 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:22.400 these things, like they talk about body shaming things like that today, And 230 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:30.160 like when your character came out to me on TNA when they merged with Global 231 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.200 Force and they did all that stuff, and I was like, okay, 232 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.079 what do we have, what's new? And so I saw you and I 233 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.279 was like, Okay, it's a retread to the old cannibals, but I 234 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:44.160 like this guy. And I saw the way you could move and the way 235 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:47.559 you could run ropes, and I was like, wait a minute, he's 236 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.920 not supposed to be doing that. There's not a whole lot of people at 237 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:53.599 his size. And I'm not being diminutive towards you in your weight. Okay, 238 00:18:55.359 --> 00:19:00.480 I don't want to kick my app but please don't. I'm a small 239 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:07.039 guy, but all I have is my face. Man. So, like 240 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.400 just watching what you did and watching the matches you had, and MAV was 241 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.920 mentioning like Brian Cage, mine was Nick Ldos. So I got to ask 242 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:21.319 you, what was it like to wrestle Nick Oldys. Was this from j 243 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:29.359 C W two All of a sudden, this is the man. He was 244 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:34.680 a dick at first. Sorry for lack of a better term, but if 245 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:40.359 we're this is a shoot interview and somewhat honest, he was. He was 246 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.759 definitely a dick. He he had an error a bottom that he was better 247 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:48.039 than everybody else and that you know, everybody needed to kiss the ring type 248 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:52.599 situation, you know, And I did what I was asked by Jeff Jarrett, 249 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.599 you know, and and made it through the situation. You know. 250 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.799 But you know, it was it was. It was rough some days and 251 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.519 then other days, you know, it got a little bit better. And 252 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.079 I guess time as time went on, you know, we kind of developed 253 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:15.240 a mutual respect, you know, but you know, yeah, yeah, 254 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:22.480 he's a dick. We we're asking for honesty here. I mean we we 255 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.000 we We've had other retired wrestlers or you know, wrestlers on the show. 256 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.960 But like we always ask for the ability for you to actually talk about the 257 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:36.000 stuff. It's only if you feel comfortable about it, right. So I'm 258 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:37.839 gonna ask one more question Matt before I turned you over for a couple of 259 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:42.160 questions, But so, what was it like to sign with TNA or Impact 260 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:52.720 at the time or GFW, because Lord knows. And then what the hell 261 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.119 was it like to just to sign a one year contract or whatever it was? 262 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:00.960 And why was it like that? Why didn't you stick around? It's 263 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:07.759 a multiple choice or a multiple answer. It was awesome. At the time, 264 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:12.039 I had done a couple of shots with Abyss and he liked my work 265 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:17.960 and he said, hey, I'm getting ready to transition from the ring to 266 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:22.720 more office work and we need somebody to take my place. And I feel 267 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.480 it you and so, you know, at that time, i'd been about 268 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:32.559 eighteen years in and I just said to him or no, I said to 269 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:36.119 myself that I would believe it when I saw it, you know, because 270 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:41.440 people promise your stuff all the time in wrestling, and you know, sometimes 271 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:44.839 it happens, most times it don't. And so I was just like, 272 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.400 whatever, I'm just gonna keep, you know, keep going and doing my 273 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:49.000 thing and not worry about it too much. Well, he calls me out 274 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.960 of the blue and he's like, hey, I got your tryout in January. 275 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.279 He's like, you have to pay for your flight, but there's a 276 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.400 couple of cheap spirit flights and want you to get down here. You can 277 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:07.640 just craze a couple of days. Yeah yeah, And so I did that 278 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:12.799 and ended up getting a job that way. You know, I was able 279 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:19.920 to impress the producers and some of the talent and whatnot and got signed to 280 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:25.720 a two year deal. Well, at that time they had transitioned from John 281 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:30.079 Gaburike being the booker to Jeff Jarrett being the booker. So then Jeff Jarrett 282 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:34.359 ran into his issues and he went out. You know, he was also 283 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:41.000 a big fan of me. Then Scott Scott de Moore had taken over i'd 284 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:48.079 say back about twenty eighteen, and so that was when I kind of got 285 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.559 my first break, I guess from being on TV. They did a Mexico 286 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.599 tour and they decided not to put me on it for whatever reason. I 287 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:00.200 had gone to India and stuff, but because you're you destroy everybody in Mexico 288 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:07.400 look at you. And then that was that was the time I believe Jeff 289 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:11.240 Jared was throwing tortillas and so he kind of embarrassed the company and they ended 290 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:19.359 up getting rid of him. So I'd worked for years for Scott the Moore 291 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:26.119 in Canada for his Border City Wrestling Company, and so I figured, okay, 292 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.559 we was should still be good, you know in this situation. And 293 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.759 so then they brought me back and they that was when they put us in 294 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:40.000 the storyline with me an Abyss and you know who would be the the Monster 295 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:45.839 of Impact after it is all said and done, and uh we did that. 296 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.640 It seemed to go over well, it seemed to get a good response 297 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:56.440 from people. But then at once that happened, it was almost like they 298 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.000 really didn't have a direction for me. I would have like these many few 299 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:03.759 with with the guys that you know had either been an Impact a long time, 300 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:11.720 like Moose or the fresh WWE guys or ex WWE guys that uh you 301 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:18.039 know they were they were preparing for a title run like like uh Johnny John 302 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:25.440 Morrison or Johnny Impact right before the mass before w W expanded and raided all 303 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:30.079 the talent. Yes, yes, okay, and uh so they did that 304 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.759 and then Brian Cage came along and they put me with him, you know, 305 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.680 to get him over whatever. I guess I was. I was like 306 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.480 the the Caine, you know, the mechanic where you know, the top 307 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.480 guy will work with him to get to get him ready for the next step 308 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:51.440 or whatever, how to hire and went. And so they kind of, 309 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.480 uh, you know, they did that, and then they once they they 310 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:02.759 you know, they kind of used me. They would never re fresh my 311 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.200 my character, you know, like Caine would would he'd lose a big match 312 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:07.880 and then he'd go away and then come back and he'd be dominant again. 313 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.039 Right. They never did that with me, and I think he kind of 314 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:18.240 ruined me and maybe even ruined their image of me as they were doing it. 315 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:22.359 And then next thing, I know, they called me and they're like, 316 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.480 hey, we're having a production meeting. We're wondering if you would be 317 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:33.119 okay with doing something with John Morrison where he moves out of the way and 318 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:37.720 you end up falling in Lake Ontario. And like, I didn't care for 319 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.559 the idea first, and but you know, I'm trying to be a team 320 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:47.599 player and trying to go along to get along, and so I reluctantly agree 321 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:48.119 to it. And you know, I told him, I said, well, 322 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.680 here's the thing. I don't know anything about Lake Ontario, you know, 323 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.440 and I don't know about where we are. We're gonna have to be 324 00:25:55.880 --> 00:26:00.759 like a dive team and you know, some safety measures in place. I'm 325 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:03.519 not just running and jumping in Lake Ontario, you know, from a from 326 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.880 a pier just for the sake of doing it, you know, for TV, 327 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:15.000 that's stupid. I don't know if there's an under anything. And yeah, 328 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:18.839 and so we get there and they change it to me running and jumping 329 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.759 into the pool that they had at the at the it was like a giant 330 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.640 nightclub that we were at, which okay, cool. But my question was, 331 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.000 okay, so what are you doing with me after that? Well, 332 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.039 you're going to have a match on TV with Brian Cage after that? Oh 333 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.640 okay, cool. So I do that, and then I have the match 334 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:44.000 with Brian Cage and you know, they they put Brian over again. Uh. 335 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.519 And like I said, they never did anything to try to refresh me 336 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:52.279 or build me back up after they beat me. And then I wasn't brought 337 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.119 back after that, and I didn't know why, you know, I couldn't 338 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.400 figure out why. So I would come up with ideas and and uh, 339 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.960 storylines and and you know, how can I get back on TV? You 340 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.440 know? And I get up Scott Domore and ask him, hey, what's 341 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.880 you know? What's the prognosis? What are is there? Uh? Is 342 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.039 there a future for me? Like? If not, then can you can 343 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.799 you do me the favor of saying, you know, we wish Congo Kong 344 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.319 will in his future endeavors or whatever, you know, do a press release 345 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.039 for me so that if anybody happens to be interested in me, they can 346 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:33.839 see that and want to pick me up. I didn't get that, and 347 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:38.440 uh, they really they'd always give me the run around about the storylines. 348 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.880 I was, okay, Well, am I doing something wrong? Is there 349 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.160 something wrong with me? Do I need to change anything? Like? Let 350 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.079 me know, like I'm willing to do it. But again, you know, 351 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.240 I never really got a solid answer about any of that stuff. So 352 00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.480 I just kind of had to fade the black. But you know, meanwhile, 353 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.319 still working on the indies because you know, when when uh they signed 354 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.440 guys, they don't they don't restrict them from working on the andies, you 355 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.039 know, like like WWF does or WWE does. So I was able to 356 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:12.240 still keep some momentum as far as that went. And That's what I'm still 357 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:17.519 doing, you know, and still still fortunately making a living surrounding for a 358 00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:23.799 wrestling just not on TV. But yeah, that's that's pretty much, you 359 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.359 know, kind of how it went. I feel like the ball was dropped 360 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.880 with me. I feel like they could have done, you know, more 361 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.920 with me, and and you know, maybe I don't know. I feel 362 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:41.039 like they were trying to amuse themselves as opposed to trying to book for the 363 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.720 fans. Because the fans seem to be pretty receptive of me. You know, 364 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.680 there's there's some that you know, had their things to say about me 365 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.319 or whatever, talk about my my parents and whatnot, and what I could 366 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.720 have did to look better, and you know, I honestly never you wouldn't 367 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:02.920 be on the show right now if you didn't make one. Well my my 368 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.079 my response to a lot of them is, I've never been so I've never 369 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.279 seen so many straight, red blooded, you know, American males so concerned 370 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.799 about what my appearance look like. I'm sorry, I don't look like you 371 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:19.839 know, your nick outis or you're John Seen or whatever, like who would 372 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.880 you like me to look like? Like? You know? That was my 373 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:29.400 question. But yeah, what I really when I kind of felt what they 374 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.559 were doing with you at that time, that was the eighteen to nineteen paradox. 375 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:41.839 Was the MLW was getting hot too, and both Global TNA and Impact 376 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:49.200 and MLW were rated simultaneously by WWE and AW by their beginnings, and you 377 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:56.960 were their version of Jacob thought too, and so you were being groomed into 378 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.160 a position, I feel. But then they didn't know what to do with 379 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.920 you because they couldn't find a worthy opponent. And then when they got rid 380 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.480 of everybody or jettisoned everybody from the Great Talent Raid, they didn't know what 381 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:14.480 to do with you. That's my opinion. So well I appreciated and that 382 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.799 value your opinion, but that wasn't it. I'm just saying that's the way 383 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:27.119 I saw it. Yeah, No, I mean I feel like Jacob Flatu 384 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:33.799 was hot after I was on TV for a while because I remember going back 385 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:40.519 to AAW to work with him, and they it wasn't that there was a 386 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.839 great or the Great Talent Raid happened or whatever at that point. It was 387 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.480 just they did not know what to do with me, like, you know, 388 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.279 they were paying me peanuts, you know, and were they really I 389 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.799 don't want to know the number, just oh yeah, it was pretty bad, 390 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:02.160 you know. And then yeah, ball aheads more time there than I 391 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.079 did. And they they never raised him up either. You know. It's 392 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.160 just the same same low ball of them out, you know, and it 393 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.880 was it was fine for what it was, but they didn't even give me 394 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:18.640 the courtesy of saying, hey, we want to resign you. So that's 395 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:26.759 why I always wonder why like you disappeared, no any of that, you 396 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.160 know. Like I said, I tried and tried and tried to figure it 397 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:36.240 out and tried to you know, come up with solutions and you know, 398 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:41.519 do whatever I could to try to get back to that point because I felt 399 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.000 like, you know, it was a good situation that I was in, 400 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:51.759 and it just never worked out, you know, for whatever reason. I 401 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.440 gotta say, because I mean, seeing how talented as I saw you at 402 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.359 the time, especially, it's just unfortunate that they really couldn't see what to 403 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.839 do with you. Annoying when people can't figure out what to do with the 404 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:06.880 top talents and anty promotion, it feels like. But anyways, you've been 405 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.759 in the wrestling business for over twenty years correct, twenty five to be exact, 406 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:16.079 it'd be twenty six this October. Wow, that's pretty impressive, pretty 407 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:20.200 long career. I got to ask you, man, so what was your 408 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.839 favorite match that you've been a part of, And then what is one dream 409 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.599 match that you wish, you know, just one opponent that you wish you 410 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:32.039 could have went up against. A favorite match of all time would be it's 411 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:38.559 called the Three Stages. Been a street Three Stages of Insanity against a guy 412 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:45.319 by the name of Pillbilly Jed who happens to be my best friend. And 413 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.799 he's five to six, was about three hundred and eighty maybe four hundred pounds 414 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:54.440 at the time, where out six six about four under pounds, and a 415 00:32:54.519 --> 00:33:00.359 lot of the move the the the flippy moves, you know, like the 416 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.200 cannonball in the corner, the moon saw, stuff like that. Actually saw 417 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.759 him do first, and it kind of inspired me like, okay, you 418 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.960 know, not to sound like a dick, but if he can do it, 419 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.480 I definitely can do it, you know what I mean. So it 420 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.359 kind of it pushed me, you know, to a certain level or whatever, 421 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:24.720 and you know, kind of made me work harder. And so I 422 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:30.559 was, you know, just trying to find my way, I guess, 423 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.400 and figure out my identity as a pro wrestler. But the match ended up 424 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:40.400 being a fifty minute match between two super heavyweights. There wasn't any dead spots 425 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.799 or any lulls or anything like that. The first ball was like a dog 426 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:53.440 collar match. The second fall was fans bring the weapons, and the third 427 00:33:53.599 --> 00:34:01.559 match, the third match was like a fan bring the leather straps lumberjack batch. 428 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.200 So like every time somebody got thrown out of the ring, the fans 429 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:12.599 were to like beat you with a boat. So it was interesting, but 430 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.039 it was fun. It was fifty minutes, you know, one of the 431 00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.679 hardest matches I've ever had in my life. But it was awesome, you 432 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.239 know, it was it was big fun, you know. And I you 433 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:30.639 know, Hillbilly Jed is one of to me, like the least appreciated people 434 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.599 in the business, you know, for the contributions that he's made, you 435 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.679 know, and he's made them silently down in the Indianapolis area. You know. 436 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:42.800 I've always felt like if the right eyes could get on him, they 437 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:47.239 would want him on their their TV or their program to show just you know, 438 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.920 never seemed to pan out like that. And what was the second part 439 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:54.480 of the question. Sorry, I went on a long tangent. Oh no, 440 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.719 it's totally fun. I'm glad to hear your opinions. And your hole 441 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.800 is rations and everything. But the second part of the question was dream opponent 442 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.920 and dream match. If you have any stipulations to anything like that, what 443 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:13.639 would you have as like, I guess what would be dream opponent and dream 444 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.960 match. That would probably be between Vader and Andre. You know, probably 445 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:24.760 Andre when he was a little bit younger, when he can move, you 446 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.760 know, Vader. I had heard it was supposed to happen, like the 447 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.320 promoter told me it was supposed to happen, but you know, a promoter's 448 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:35.599 lie, and he told me, He's like, yeah, yeah, I 449 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.320 mentioned you wrestling you you know, you wrestling Vader. And Vader was like, 450 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.880 no, man, I'm not. I'm not getting in there and getting 451 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.119 my ass kicked by Congo Kong. And I was like, uh okay, 452 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.039 but he'd be kicking my ass the entire match, because you know it's Vader, 453 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:52.760 Like what am I going to do to Vader? You know what I 454 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:58.159 mean? I don't care how old he was. But it never ended up 455 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.199 happening, so you know that it's it's sad, But at the same time, 456 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:07.000 you know, I still have mad respect for the man because he kind 457 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:14.199 of helped me fashion who I am I guess. All right, so we're 458 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.880 gonna start off some rapid fire questions for mister Congo Kong. So likely you 459 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.079 want to start off? Man, sure, I'll start up this time, 460 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:27.519 all right, mister Congo Kong. Your favorite wrestler of all time, Big 461 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:34.679 Evan Vader. Average question. All right, so completely off wrestling topic. 462 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:40.119 Do you have a dream car? Uh No, I'm not. I'm not 463 00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.679 that into cars, to be honest with you. I just want one that 464 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:49.880 gets me there safely and doesn't cost me a whole lot of gas. Totally 465 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:55.320 valid, all right, mister Congo Kong. Your favorite food to make it 466 00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:07.840 home? Oh fried chicken. I'm a stereotype, don't you even? That's 467 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.480 not from deep down Uganda? Okay, you're supposed to. You should be 468 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:24.199 eating human flesh. Nav I can't start flaughing. What was your favorite gimmick 469 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:28.480 match toever watch growing up? Just like a you know, ladder match, 470 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:34.880 hold to sell anything like that. Probably be the Royal Rumbles or No Savira 471 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.559 series matches, yeah from way back when. Yeah, the big super tag 472 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:44.119 team matches. They they you know, it combined a bunch of different storylines 473 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.199 and different characters, and it's kind of cool to watch all your favorites versus 474 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:58.000 all your your your h not favorites. All right, we we hits. 475 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.239 It's all good, bro. I actually like you like opening up and just 476 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.360 being yourself. If you'd like to guests on the show more, we can 477 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.079 do that. We'd love to have an opinion of an independent worker and a 478 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:13.280 person who is just a big badass something. But now I'm gonna ask the 479 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:19.320 million dollar question. Okay, in their prime, Sonny or Missy Hyatt. 480 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:28.360 I've never heard so many stories about how many people have taken rides on Missy 481 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:35.800 Hyatt. So I know I know two wrestlers that had her on one night 482 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.519 so and not at the same time, right one right after the other. 483 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:52.159 Oh sexual healing turn all right? So uh outside of the business again, 484 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.280 So what kind of hobbies do you have, like just in your normal life? 485 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.840 Man, I'm curious. Uh I love video games? Or not? 486 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.679 When I say I love video games, people tend to think, oh, 487 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.639 yeah, you play Call of Duty and you know some of the regular ones. 488 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:13.840 I am a huge college football fan and so I've been playing n C 489 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:20.920 double A fourteen for about eleven years now. Recently upgraded my Xbox three sixty 490 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:27.199 to a modded version of Xbox three City three sixty and downloaded the game called 491 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.760 College Football Revamped, where they took n C Double A and turned it. 492 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.960 They updated it basically. They've updated, you know, not just the rosters, 493 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:45.360 but there's teams, new teams, there's new graphics, new plays, 494 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.800 all kinds of stuff they've done to this game and made it like more up 495 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:53.480 to date. It's actually pretty sick. But I've been waiting for eleven years 496 00:39:53.599 --> 00:40:00.360 for July nineteenth, which is now coming and coming to Fruition, and they're 497 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.599 actually going to be able to release you know, College Football at twenty five. 498 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.280 So I'm excited about that and really looking forward to it. I already 499 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:15.519 told all my students and you know, everybody else, do not bother me 500 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.800 on that day because I will be or on that excuse me that week, 501 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.199 because I'm gonna be stuck in my room. I'll probably be stinking, I 502 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:29.159 know, my balls, be sweaty, and i might not even eat for 503 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.360 a couple of days or whatever because I'm gonna be deep into that game. 504 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:37.280 And that's just you know what I look forward to to relax. Like even 505 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:43.239 every night before bed, I try to play play around it too. The 506 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:51.239 balls are probably the size of my elbow. All right. So my term 507 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.760 I am not a big video game person. My thing is like going to 508 00:40:55.800 --> 00:41:00.840 pork my girlfriend Jennifer, who's absolutely stunning, gorgeous and uh, just living 509 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:07.960 life so honor a big person who likes to cook and just kind of like 510 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:12.320 live around the house. I work a lot things like that. But getting 511 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.400 back into wrestling a little bit because even though we're doing wrestling topics and stuff 512 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.960 like that, but we're getting into fast charge. I gotta ask you, 513 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:27.000 like, if there's one wrestler that you hate that you could choke out, 514 00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:37.800 who would it be? Mm hm, oh boy, let me go through, 515 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:45.000 go through, go through my mind. Uh. I can't really think 516 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:49.119 of anybody that's that bad, I guess, uh. You know, I've 517 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.960 had my uh my dick beating contest with like Gang Grow, you know, 518 00:41:53.000 --> 00:42:00.400 but we ended up working things out. Uh. At times, you know, 519 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:05.760 been a little heated as Sammy Callum Sammy Callahan for this or that, 520 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:07.400 you know, but you know, for the most part, you know, 521 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.880 we've been you know, been able to be cordial with each other. So 522 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.800 I can't think of anybody that is really that bad that it's so much, 523 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:24.039 But yeah, al Snow. It was a big uh, a big guy 524 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:30.199 for me for a while, simply because the first time I met him, 525 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.920 we paid for a seminar and we didn't get to get any in the ring 526 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.679 work in and he just said and talked the entire time. And then he 527 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.280 says, well, you know, if you want me to watch your match, 528 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.840 just let me know. And so I did. My match happened to 529 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:52.760 be right before his, but his advice to the promoter is he needs to 530 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.679 layoff the twinkies. And that was it. He didn't didn't watch the match, 531 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.639 didn't have anything good to say to me or about me after that. 532 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.039 And it wasn't until we were on Impact together that we kind of, you 533 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.159 know, developed a relationship, you know a little bit better. So I 534 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:15.880 don't know. But then, you know, so when I see him, 535 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.599 you know, we're cordial. But then I hear him every now and again, 536 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.320 hear him saying, you know, snied stuff. So I mean, 537 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.880 I'm sure I'm not the only person he says it about, or two or 538 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.280 whatever, but you know, I hate fake people, So I don't know. 539 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:38.360 Maybe him all right after your turn, all right, So if you 540 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.480 could have a match with any current star that's you know, on the rise 541 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.000 or even just at the top. Right now, who do you think that 542 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:50.760 you would want to have that match with. Probably Damien Priest. He really 543 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:54.960 impresses me. I'm I'm really thoroughly impressed by that guy. He he's come 544 00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.679 in and he's put in the work and he's gotten so good to me, 545 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:07.760 and I just I thoroughly enjoyed watching him. Okay, my turn. So 546 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.960 if you had to go back to the eighties and rewrite one storyline, what 547 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:27.400 would it be? M M. Probably probably the one where where they did 548 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.039 the switch where the Undertaker beat Hogan and then Hogan won it back like a 549 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:37.199 couple of days later or whatever Tuesday in Texas. Yeah, that was stupid. 550 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.039 There was no reason that Undertaker ever needed to be beat by Hogan. 551 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.599 Yeah, that was one thing I didn't care for about Hogan was he didn't 552 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:52.800 know when when to back down. Well, he's not one of my favorite 553 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.239 performers. He was just a person who put them put everything on the map. 554 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:01.039 But he was just definitely not one of the best performers. All right, 555 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.159 So we're gonna wind this up today. Okay, So mister Wilson. 556 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:12.280 First of all, Congo Kong with Cyrus. I want to thank you personally 557 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:17.000 for taking this bid from my nephew to do this for Wrestle Magic. I 558 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:22.559 was the one who suggested this and he was the one who made it happen. 559 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:28.360 Our podcast is gonna give you a vessel to express yourself. So I 560 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:32.840 please want you to tell us all of your Twitter information and the ways to 561 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:40.280 be booked. Okay, you can find me on Twitter at real Congo Kong. 562 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.320 I'm hardly ever on there because you know Twitter is the double You know, 563 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:52.199 plenty of people on there been behind their computer keyboards and whatnot, you 564 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:57.760 know, trying to ruin others, and so I just I stay away from 565 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.760 there as much as possible. But you know, if you shoot me a 566 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.840 message or whatever, or at tag me in something, then you know I'll 567 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:09.639 respond. I'll reply whatever. You can find me on Facebook under Steve Wilson 568 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:20.079 or what is it the Congo Kong slash. The juggernad O Cyrus is my 569 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:25.760 my gimmick page. You can also look me up under Professor Kong's Wrestling Academy 570 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.960 and also Juggernaut Gear Bio Cyrus because I do make wrestling gear and have watch 571 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.800 Why tell us a little bit more about your professor academy. You ever part 572 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:43.800 of that. Really, it's been going since twenty seventeen. I have quite 573 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:51.960 a bit of students that I've trained out of there, and also was training 574 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:58.280 before then for a company called Heroes and Legends Wrestling, And so I've been 575 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.800 doing it for a while and you know, decided after the Heroes and Legends 576 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:07.679 school shut down, let it open up. My own been going pretty well. 577 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.119 Have a bunch of students and we we're like family, you know. 578 00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.519 There. I consider them my kids. They a lot of them refer to 579 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.679 me as Dad or Pops or you know whatever. And it's not just you 580 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:27.199 pay me to learn a little bit about wrestling. It's we get together and 581 00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:32.840 we we have fun learning wrestling, you know, while enjoying our time with 582 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.559 each other, if that makes sense, you know. So it's not just 583 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.000 a it's not a factory. It's not a come here for a twelve week 584 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.400 course and then I'll send you on your way. No, I like to 585 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:50.159 be thorough. I like to make sure that my kids understand, you know, 586 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:57.440 not just the entering wrestling, but the business side as well as you 587 00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:01.199 know, knowing things about life, you know, and and building up confidence 588 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:06.559 about their life, you know, things that they can they can take into 589 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.360 the regular world. And and uh use you know, not just you know, 590 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.760 not just the x's and o's of professional wrestling, but you know, 591 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:20.480 building confidence and self esteem and you know, knowing how to deal with issues 592 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.360 and situations and to conquer those and and to be able to overcome stuff like 593 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:29.719 that, and that that to me, that's important to instill good values in 594 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:35.239 them as well as the wrestling. So uh, you know, I if 595 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.840 that's something that you're you're into and you're not in such a hurry to get 596 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:42.119 to the ring, because again, I like to be thorough. I like 597 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.079 to make sure that that everybody is ready before I send them out there. 598 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.760 And uh, you know, if that's your your type of environment, you 599 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:57.280 know, you like a family environment as opposed to you know, going to 600 00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:01.119 a quote unquote factory. And no that's not a shot at anybody with the 601 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:06.440 name factory in there in there in their title. But you know, there's 602 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.119 quite a few schools that they to me, they send guys out and they 603 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:15.559 are not ready, and it is a bad situation. So I find myself 604 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.280 teaching a lot of guys on the fly, you know that aren't even my 605 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.440 students. But you know, for the sake of wrestling. I I do 606 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.400 it, you know, because I want I want to see wrestling succeed. 607 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:32.639 But yeah, the school, it's called Pro Professor Kong's Wrestling Academy. It 608 00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:38.920 is in Bluffon, Indiana, and we are there Tuesdays and Thursdays from six 609 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:45.639 till whenever. Oftentimes will go have a bite to eat and some sort of 610 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.639 fellowship on a Tuesday or Thursday night, you know. And a couple of 611 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.840 weeks ago we actually got together and went to the local U Triple A baseball 612 00:49:54.880 --> 00:50:01.800 game and had a blast, you know, just to to fellowship and get 613 00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:07.440 out of the house, you know. And we've gotten together for WrestleMania. 614 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:13.440 We we've had Thanksgiving get togethers, you know, the whole nine. Like 615 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:24.599 I just I don't believe that you develop human beings better then unless you give 616 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.840 them that family kind of support, you know, and they know they can 617 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.440 call me for whatever, and I'll do my best to help them. And 618 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.960 you know, they they treat me like I said, like I'm like I'm 619 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:42.880 Dad. Like last year they bought me an expensive heat press machine for my 620 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.320 for my gear making business, you know, so that so that I can 621 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:52.199 make stuff and feel comfortable about it. And you know, they take care 622 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:53.840 of me just like I take care of them. And so, like I 623 00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:59.039 said, it's a it's a a family environment. It's I don't know, 624 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.360 I like, I know, I'm rambling, but it's it's coka, just 625 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.480 go ahead, go ahead to me. It's a good situation, you know. 626 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:09.760 And and because I know a lot of guys that go through training and 627 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.239 they don't even talk to their trainer anymore. And I don't want that. 628 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.159 I want I want a relationship with you know, all my guys. I 629 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:19.079 want to know how they're doing, you know, what's going on with them? 630 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:24.039 Uh what what you know, any issues they might be having, uh, 631 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.920 all that stuff. You know. I got one one kid who's doing 632 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:35.039 really well. He just got I got to uh rustling a tournament and he 633 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:40.079 ended up winning it for like a it's like a newcomers tournament or something like 634 00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.000 that. And I'm just glad to see that he is getting around, getting 635 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.159 his name out. He goes by Eric Surge and uh, you know, 636 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.719 I'm pretty happy for him. I can't wait to see what life brings him, 637 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:58.400 and I know it's going to be fruitful. Not saying that he's the 638 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.800 only one, I'm just saying that he's he's wanted the ones to look out 639 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:06.719 for it. Absolutely absolutely so. Something else that we kind of like to 640 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.719 do here on Wrestle Magic is we always like to give the audience a nice 641 00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:14.000 recommendation just for movie, song, video game, doesn't really matter what it 642 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.119 is. Would you have a recommendation for the audience just anything, doesn't have 643 00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:23.840 to be wrestling related. Man, a movie recommendtion recommendation? Tell yeah, 644 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.840 I like the Guys of the Corng movie. Actually that was the last one 645 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.679 I went to go see. But and I'm not to strike a post when 646 00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:40.760 you said it, and I'm not a huge five fan, but I enjoyed 647 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:49.639 that. I really did very nice. What about you? Math recommendation for 648 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.599 me? Well, legally, I've just been playing a couple of different video 649 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.400 games psychological horror. I've found that I've really been enjoying this game called Alan 650 00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.280 Wake, where it's a honestly, it's just about an author who went out 651 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:06.400 on a vacation starts finding pages to a horror story that he doesn't remember writing 652 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:09.440 and everything that he's seeing in the pages is happening to him. So highly 653 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.760 recommend it, guys, if you've never played it, it's pretty interesting. 654 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.599 But yeah, so I guess we can wrap it up from here. Michael, 655 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:21.440 do you have any recommendation for the audience. Absolutely, I'm gonna recommend 656 00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:28.440 a song from my past. It is called Megalomaniacal. It's by the band 657 00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.679 k MFDM. It starts out in German goes through English. It was a 658 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:39.760 great, great album. It was probably nineteen ninety six or seven. The 659 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:45.760 whole album was great. It was off the album syl Symbols. But the 660 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:51.199 song is just amazing. It's just fun and it's a beat and we can 661 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:57.440 have fun with that. But okay, everybody at your Twitter at Captain one 662 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:04.840 four all right, Twitter is at maintenance. Man, have it's been another 663 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:08.400 nice episode of Wrestle Magic Thanke? Sure? Yeah for somebody out there, 664 00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:13.719 never know who needs it. Man, Congo Kong, your your ex, 665 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:20.599 anything else. I am at real Congo Kong. Also Instagram is Congo Cyrus 666 00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.079 seventy eight. Shoot me a message if you want to talk. I have 667 00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:30.599 no issues with talking to anybody until it gets weird and then you'll probably go. 668 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:38.920 Also for everybody who's listening on Patreon for this albeit smack down, so 669 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:45.639 look at look for me, and I'll either have a WWE podcast sign or 670 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.559 Wrestle Magic sign. So I want everybody to have a great night. Mister 671 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:54.920 Maverick, mister Congo Kong, thank you, thank you, thank you guys 672 00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.760 for having me. Let me know when you want me back. Absolutely all 673 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:07.239 right, bye, Thanks for listening to the WWE podcast. Don't forget to 674 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:12.239 subscribe on your favorite podcast app so you don't miss a show, or head 675 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:16.559 to wwepodcast dot com. 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