All right, everybody. Tonight's episode of Wressell Magic, the gardner Michael Gross
and myself maintenance Maverick will be interviewing wrestler who, honestly, he doesn't get
enough credit for what we have seen him do. We honestly feel like he
has a lot of potential even now, and we've seen a lot out of
him from his TNA days. So without further ado, everybody, Congo cong
sir, how are you doing tonight? And I can't complain. Life is
good, My health is good, my strength is good. You know,
yeah, I can't complain. How about yourself? Not so bad? It's
been interesting here in the UK, Michael, how you doing? Man?
Pretty good after my little stint in the er last week. But we're not
going to get into that heart palpitation thing. But I feel much better now,
and I want to say that I'm really excited about having this episode because
I've watched mister Congo Kong also known as Osyrus, evolve over the last probably
seven or eight years, and so this idea in this brainchild is a great
way for us to communicate with somebody who might not have complete mainstream attraction but
could have more than mainstream attraction at any time he wants, so we further
ado, Maverick, you're the lead, you go for it, all right.
So, mister Wilson, I'd like to ask you to start off.
So where exactly did you really get into the business. Where did this all
start? For you? Man? It started. I was eighteen. I
was going into my second year playing college football at Saginaw Valley State University in
Michigan, and I went into a video game store called fun Coal Land at
the time, and I saw a poster for a local show. At the
bottom of it, it says, if you're interested in becoming a professional wrestler,
call this number. So I called the number and talked to the guy,
and needless to say, I was hooked. Went to go back to
play my second year of college football and decided that I didn't want to excuse
me, I didn't want to do it, And so from there I went
to the school that was in Grand Apres, Michigan. It shut down,
but then another one was opened up by a guy by the name of Joe
Ortega. He went by El Tihano and he was trained by Jose Li Barrio,
and so I went there for two years and got my wrestling education and
then ended up moving down to Indiana to go back to playing college football and
pursuing an education there. Interesting, So what position did you play? Just
curious, man, line. I started off on the offense, offensive line,
and then by the time I was finished, I was defensive tackle.
I was the goal line defense. As a matter of fact. Nice,
nice, now, mister Wilson, Just out of curiosity, if you don't
mind me interjecting real quick, what was your size then? And what is
your size now? Let's see in college, I was probably six' five
three eighty and now I'm six' six three h three. Was the last
time I waved myself at the doctor? Good for you, all right,
Maverick, go ahead, all right. So, something that was brought up
by another colleague of ours, Rocky Tea, was about your move set is
extremely agile when you were in your schooling and everything. Who was teaching you
to do all these things at the size you are, man, Because it
just looks unnatural, but the way you do it is perfect, honestly,
and we're always very press whenever we see it. Then I appreciate that.
Actually, Jose or Joe Ortega was a luchador. So he taught us a
lot of the luchador type movements and it kind of, I guess started from
there. We ended up venturing to the local pool to do some dives and
kind of learned. You know. That was his way of kind of introducing
us to jumping off the top rope. And so I had done some backflips
while I was in high school off the top rope and I happened to do
one there and ever since then, He's like, no, we have to
try that in ring. And I was like, that's kind of hurt,
isn't it. It might, but you'll be okay, I promise, And
so we would. We went back to the school and we did it a
couple of times, and I say it took about fifteen years for me.
It actually hit one on somebody. But yeah, I started off with the
moonsalt and then some of the other stuff just kind of came along throughout the
years. You know. I just decided, Hey, I want to try
this, I want to do this, I want to do that knowing I
can. I did interesting interesting man. That is. So if you guys
haven't seen some of a Congo Kong's matches, especially in TNA. I will
say that one of my favorites was him versus Brian Cage. Honestly, those
couple of matches that they had going back and forth, those were my very
enjoyable to see. And something else that I had noticed. I'd actually watched
an interview that you had had backstage with some young woman. I can't really
remember her name, but something that you had mentioned was your music taste was
actually kind of like smooth listening and everything. So I'm just curious. You're
a fan of Ala Black and Frank Sinatra and such Alo Black. Yes,
sir, yes, yes, yes I am. Actually what is this song?
It's I forget I believe it's called Mama or Mama hold My Hand or
something like that what we were talking about. Yeah, it did, but
every time I hear it it brings me to tears. But I love that
one and the one that was pretty popular on the radio that he did with
the Vichy, and a couple other ones. Spring Sinatra maybe not so much.
You know, like if I hear that karaoke, I might sing along,
but I've never like sawt out drink Sinatra. Okay, so let me
ask you, are you a fan of the blues. I like some blues.
Yeah, I grew up listening to it. You know, my mom
was a big blues fan. So a lot of what she introduced me to
I still listen to, or you know, still still uh dabble in,
you know if I hear a song, you know, like my I was
with my dad yesterday and he was playing a lot of the old tunes that
you know, I grew up on, and you know, I'm just singing
along and telling my age all day. But you know that was that was
to me. That was when music was good. The stuff that they play
now has no substance, and a lot of it is just computer generated.
Like you don't. I don't feel like you really have to have the talent
these days to make good music or what they consider good music, as you
did back then. This this must be the Yeah, I was gonna say,
this must be the most interesting wrestling interview you've ever had. But so
I'm gonna interject a question real quick. So what was the one match that
you saw when you were going to wrestling school that hooked you so hard?
When I was going to wrestling school, well, when you wanted to become
a wrestler and then you decided to go to wrestling school. Like what was
that one match, that one match that you were like, either I'm a
fan of this guy, or I don't like this person, or I just
want to see this Like that was the person Hogan Andre and Hogan Warrior.
And yeah, I mean since I was a young tyke, you know,
my dad was like, he tells the story today. Yeah, since you
were about five, you told me one day that I want to be h
Hogan. And you know, it's funny because at first he was very against
the idea of me becoming a professional wrestler. You don't want to do that
fake crap, blah blah blah. And now every now and again I like
to call him and be like, hey, Dad, I'm doing that fake
crap for a living mind. Dude, that's pretty awesome. So our other
friend Rocky T who was supposed to join us today, unfortunately he couldn't make
it. He's my original co host son Russell Magic. He wanted to know
the significance of your face paint and what it means or how you came up
with it. Well, when I first started, I was painting my face
as o Cyrus, you know, as a as an eighteen year old rookie
in the business, you know, because again my my idols were Warrior and
Demolition road Warriors, those guys, you know Muda, So did the steak
behind painted faces. Well, I kind of grew out of that because at
the time I didn't really know any good paint that wasn't staining people's gear.
So, you know, I kind of shot And then once I started getting
booked for j c W and they gave me the Congo Kong gimmick, that's
when I started painting my face. And I had already come up with a
design as you can see on my right shoulder. Nice and so I believe
they were telling me the Violin Jay. They were sitting around, you know,
doing what they do, and he said, I think it'd be cool
if he painted his face like like his tattoo. And so I had somebody
paint my face like the tattoo and it's kind of it's stuck, you know,
and it worked out. They loved it. They've been using me since
two thousand and nine and I am, i would say, the longest running
employee that hasn't been fired. So overall, I was gonna say, you
must be too big for them to mess with. So well, finally Jay
text me every once in a while and then starts off with some sort of
way out there joker something, you know, says some way out there.
So they like to mess with me, you know, but they they do
love and respect me, and I do love and respect them. You know,
Without them, there'd be no Congo Kong. Be honest with you,
because I was totally against the idea of being a savage, because I didn't
want to be another stereotypical, stereotypical black wrestling you know, because for the
longest time, when you saw us, we were savages or dancers or rappers
or criminals, you know what I mean. So I kind of I wanted
to steer away from that, stay clear of that. But then, you
know, when presented with this opportunity, I was like, well does it
pay good? That was that was the main objective, and yeah, it
paid pretty well. So you know, I kind of kept with it and
you know, kind of hoped to get away from it at the time.
But I mean, again, it's responsible for so many things as far as
my career goes. You know, I've taken my first first flight as Congo
Kong. I've been, you know, my first international tour as Congo Kong,
been around the world as Congo Kong, and so, you know,
as much as I didn't want to be this guy, I ended up being
this guy. But I decided that, you know, rather than being or
making myself out to be a dumb savage, I kind of looked around and
I thought about it, and I was like, well, Baltimore Warrior,
you know, he cut promos, but he was still a savage. So
why can't I be an intelligence savage even though I don't want to talk,
because I believe, you know, with the character like mine, if you
talk, you kind of ruined the mystique. Well, whenever I see you
as Stephen Wilson versus Congo Kong, you're a really, really well spoken man,
and you remind me of a famous NBA player. And I'm going to
give you one guess. I don't watch NBAS Latrell Sprewell. Latrell Sprewell would
be the biggest thug on the court. He would talk all the trash to
everybody, but when it was time to do a promo and like actually talk
to the fans, you would put on a pair of glasses and he would
speak like a just he would speak. He wouldn't go crazy, he wouldn't
talk trash, he would just speak. And it's like, wait a minute,
are you actually Latrell on the court or are you Latrelle at home?
So I like what you do. I like your psychology because you're channeling a
character, you're figuring out a character. You went around the world as this
character, so that had to be like really really awesome and just really like
so much energy and so much adrenaline. So I just want to know a
little bit more about the formulative years. Okay, unless I'm stepping on your
toes, math if if you want to ask you, this is your show
today, Math, so go ahead. Well, I was just going to
ask about the origins of Congo Kong and the whole gimmick. So where exactly
did that stem from? Because I've heard it was something about a member of
ICP just kind of throwing the idea too you and just saying, hey,
go out there and be like this. So what exactly was the origin of
it? Like, yeah, it was, uh, it was. I
got booked for a show in Chicago by a guy by the name of Veto
Tomaselli and at the time, as Osyrus, I was wearing singlets and uh
like tank top and shorts and you know, stuff that big men would try
to wear to cover themselves up. And so Veto says to me the most
craziest thing. He says, I would book you if you would consider wearing
trunks. And I said, huh. He said, yeah, I want
you to consider wearing trunks. He said, I want them to be high
enough that it covers up your gut, but I want you to show more
of your body because the more you show, the larger you look. And
he's like, everybody knows you're a big guy, so there's no reason to
hide it. And so I toyed with the idea, and you know,
I was like, yeah, I don't know if I can do it.
I'll I don't know, man. And so one day, not long after
that happy accident happened where I forgot because I originally started doing a gimmick for
a company called Championship International Wrestling in Southern Michigan, and he was kind of
the guy that spearheaded the idea before Congo Kong was given to me, and
so I forgot the pants that I was wearing at the time. They're sort
of like the baggy ming pants kind of kind of deal. Yeah, And
I had was my single that I wore as was Cyrus and the under trunks
that I wore underneath the single to kind of you know, suck my gut
in. And I was taggering that night with a guy by the name of
Kamala Junior. Believe it or not, no way. Yeah, Indiana was
known for for years for having a bunch of junior games. We had a
King Kong Bundy Junior at Dick the Bruiser Junior Kamala Junior, and I believe
there are a couple more juniors, and uh so I I was dumb fighted
on what to do. And you know, he was wearing a loincloth.
We'll call it. I call it a dick flap. That's what I referred
to it now, you know, just because and he had an extra one.
So I brought it from him and I was like, boy, I'm
gonna find out how this goes, you know, and and uh hopefully I
don't get the the go away heat as opposed to the typical booze, you
know. And so I went out there in it and surprisingly. You know,
I didn't get the holy shit, you're fat, you know you gotta
go type reception. It was more of the wow, this guy. You
know, I'm kind of in all of this guy, and it was way
cooler than I'd ever been in the wrestling ring as well. So I felt
a lot better. And so once that happened, I decided, Okay,
I'm gonna start making my making myself a pair of trunks and see what goes,
see how that goes, and and it kind of developed them from there.
Okay, I can see, like, you know, you gotta develop
everything, and it's I know, it's interesting because like, okay, here's
here's the thing for you. So I'm older than you. I'm gonna be
forty nine this year, right, but if any girl asks, I'm thirty
seven, and so I can pull it off. But I weigh one hundred
and forty seven pounds soaking wet. I've never I've never gained weight. So
I don't have to like your physical stature. Now we have opposite physical statues
because I don't want to show my body the same way that you felt uncomfortable
probably showing your body. But you played football. You were a beast.
So if anybody said anything to you, you just clapped them, whereas me,
I had to go find you, so you clapbered somebody else for me.
So that's the way it goes. But you know, I understand like
these things, like they talk about body shaming things like that today, And
like when your character came out to me on TNA when they merged with Global
Force and they did all that stuff, and I was like, okay,
what do we have, what's new? And so I saw you and I
was like, Okay, it's a retread to the old cannibals, but I
like this guy. And I saw the way you could move and the way
you could run ropes, and I was like, wait a minute, he's
not supposed to be doing that. There's not a whole lot of people at
his size. And I'm not being diminutive towards you in your weight. Okay,
I don't want to kick my app but please don't. I'm a small
guy, but all I have is my face. Man. So, like
just watching what you did and watching the matches you had, and MAV was
mentioning like Brian Cage, mine was Nick Ldos. So I got to ask
you, what was it like to wrestle Nick Oldys. Was this from j
C W two All of a sudden, this is the man. He was
a dick at first. Sorry for lack of a better term, but if
we're this is a shoot interview and somewhat honest, he was. He was
definitely a dick. He he had an error a bottom that he was better
than everybody else and that you know, everybody needed to kiss the ring type
situation, you know, And I did what I was asked by Jeff Jarrett,
you know, and and made it through the situation. You know.
But you know, it was it was. It was rough some days and
then other days, you know, it got a little bit better. And
I guess time as time went on, you know, we kind of developed
a mutual respect, you know, but you know, yeah, yeah,
he's a dick. We we're asking for honesty here. I mean we we
we We've had other retired wrestlers or you know, wrestlers on the show.
But like we always ask for the ability for you to actually talk about the
stuff. It's only if you feel comfortable about it, right. So I'm
gonna ask one more question Matt before I turned you over for a couple of
questions, But so, what was it like to sign with TNA or Impact
at the time or GFW, because Lord knows. And then what the hell
was it like to just to sign a one year contract or whatever it was?
And why was it like that? Why didn't you stick around? It's
a multiple choice or a multiple answer. It was awesome. At the time,
I had done a couple of shots with Abyss and he liked my work
and he said, hey, I'm getting ready to transition from the ring to
more office work and we need somebody to take my place. And I feel
it you and so, you know, at that time, i'd been about
eighteen years in and I just said to him or no, I said to
myself that I would believe it when I saw it, you know, because
people promise your stuff all the time in wrestling, and you know, sometimes
it happens, most times it don't. And so I was just like,
whatever, I'm just gonna keep, you know, keep going and doing my
thing and not worry about it too much. Well, he calls me out
of the blue and he's like, hey, I got your tryout in January.
He's like, you have to pay for your flight, but there's a
couple of cheap spirit flights and want you to get down here. You can
just craze a couple of days. Yeah yeah, And so I did that
and ended up getting a job that way. You know, I was able
to impress the producers and some of the talent and whatnot and got signed to
a two year deal. Well, at that time they had transitioned from John
Gaburike being the booker to Jeff Jarrett being the booker. So then Jeff Jarrett
ran into his issues and he went out. You know, he was also
a big fan of me. Then Scott Scott de Moore had taken over i'd
say back about twenty eighteen, and so that was when I kind of got
my first break, I guess from being on TV. They did a Mexico
tour and they decided not to put me on it for whatever reason. I
had gone to India and stuff, but because you're you destroy everybody in Mexico
look at you. And then that was that was the time I believe Jeff
Jared was throwing tortillas and so he kind of embarrassed the company and they ended
up getting rid of him. So I'd worked for years for Scott the Moore
in Canada for his Border City Wrestling Company, and so I figured, okay,
we was should still be good, you know in this situation. And
so then they brought me back and they that was when they put us in
the storyline with me an Abyss and you know who would be the the Monster
of Impact after it is all said and done, and uh we did that.
It seemed to go over well, it seemed to get a good response
from people. But then at once that happened, it was almost like they
really didn't have a direction for me. I would have like these many few
with with the guys that you know had either been an Impact a long time,
like Moose or the fresh WWE guys or ex WWE guys that uh you
know they were they were preparing for a title run like like uh Johnny John
Morrison or Johnny Impact right before the mass before w W expanded and raided all
the talent. Yes, yes, okay, and uh so they did that
and then Brian Cage came along and they put me with him, you know,
to get him over whatever. I guess I was. I was like
the the Caine, you know, the mechanic where you know, the top
guy will work with him to get to get him ready for the next step
or whatever, how to hire and went. And so they kind of,
uh, you know, they did that, and then they once they they
you know, they kind of used me. They would never re fresh my
my character, you know, like Caine would would he'd lose a big match
and then he'd go away and then come back and he'd be dominant again.
Right. They never did that with me, and I think he kind of
ruined me and maybe even ruined their image of me as they were doing it.
And then next thing, I know, they called me and they're like,
hey, we're having a production meeting. We're wondering if you would be
okay with doing something with John Morrison where he moves out of the way and
you end up falling in Lake Ontario. And like, I didn't care for
the idea first, and but you know, I'm trying to be a team
player and trying to go along to get along, and so I reluctantly agree
to it. And you know, I told him, I said, well,
here's the thing. I don't know anything about Lake Ontario, you know,
and I don't know about where we are. We're gonna have to be
like a dive team and you know, some safety measures in place. I'm
not just running and jumping in Lake Ontario, you know, from a from
a pier just for the sake of doing it, you know, for TV,
that's stupid. I don't know if there's an under anything. And yeah,
and so we get there and they change it to me running and jumping
into the pool that they had at the at the it was like a giant
nightclub that we were at, which okay, cool. But my question was,
okay, so what are you doing with me after that? Well,
you're going to have a match on TV with Brian Cage after that? Oh
okay, cool. So I do that, and then I have the match
with Brian Cage and you know, they they put Brian over again. Uh.
And like I said, they never did anything to try to refresh me
or build me back up after they beat me. And then I wasn't brought
back after that, and I didn't know why, you know, I couldn't
figure out why. So I would come up with ideas and and uh,
storylines and and you know, how can I get back on TV? You
know? And I get up Scott Domore and ask him, hey, what's
you know? What's the prognosis? What are is there? Uh? Is
there a future for me? Like? If not, then can you can
you do me the favor of saying, you know, we wish Congo Kong
will in his future endeavors or whatever, you know, do a press release
for me so that if anybody happens to be interested in me, they can
see that and want to pick me up. I didn't get that, and
uh, they really they'd always give me the run around about the storylines.
I was, okay, Well, am I doing something wrong? Is there
something wrong with me? Do I need to change anything? Like? Let
me know, like I'm willing to do it. But again, you know,
I never really got a solid answer about any of that stuff. So
I just kind of had to fade the black. But you know, meanwhile,
still working on the indies because you know, when when uh they signed
guys, they don't they don't restrict them from working on the andies, you
know, like like WWF does or WWE does. So I was able to
still keep some momentum as far as that went. And That's what I'm still
doing, you know, and still still fortunately making a living surrounding for a
wrestling just not on TV. But yeah, that's that's pretty much, you
know, kind of how it went. I feel like the ball was dropped
with me. I feel like they could have done, you know, more
with me, and and you know, maybe I don't know. I feel
like they were trying to amuse themselves as opposed to trying to book for the
fans. Because the fans seem to be pretty receptive of me. You know,
there's there's some that you know, had their things to say about me
or whatever, talk about my my parents and whatnot, and what I could
have did to look better, and you know, I honestly never you wouldn't
be on the show right now if you didn't make one. Well my my
my response to a lot of them is, I've never been so I've never
seen so many straight, red blooded, you know, American males so concerned
about what my appearance look like. I'm sorry, I don't look like you
know, your nick outis or you're John Seen or whatever, like who would
you like me to look like? Like? You know? That was my
question. But yeah, what I really when I kind of felt what they
were doing with you at that time, that was the eighteen to nineteen paradox.
Was the MLW was getting hot too, and both Global TNA and Impact
and MLW were rated simultaneously by WWE and AW by their beginnings, and you
were their version of Jacob thought too, and so you were being groomed into
a position, I feel. But then they didn't know what to do with
you because they couldn't find a worthy opponent. And then when they got rid
of everybody or jettisoned everybody from the Great Talent Raid, they didn't know what
to do with you. That's my opinion. So well I appreciated and that
value your opinion, but that wasn't it. I'm just saying that's the way
I saw it. Yeah, No, I mean I feel like Jacob Flatu
was hot after I was on TV for a while because I remember going back
to AAW to work with him, and they it wasn't that there was a
great or the Great Talent Raid happened or whatever at that point. It was
just they did not know what to do with me, like, you know,
they were paying me peanuts, you know, and were they really I
don't want to know the number, just oh yeah, it was pretty bad,
you know. And then yeah, ball aheads more time there than I
did. And they they never raised him up either. You know. It's
just the same same low ball of them out, you know, and it
was it was fine for what it was, but they didn't even give me
the courtesy of saying, hey, we want to resign you. So that's
why I always wonder why like you disappeared, no any of that, you
know. Like I said, I tried and tried and tried to figure it
out and tried to you know, come up with solutions and you know,
do whatever I could to try to get back to that point because I felt
like, you know, it was a good situation that I was in,
and it just never worked out, you know, for whatever reason. I
gotta say, because I mean, seeing how talented as I saw you at
the time, especially, it's just unfortunate that they really couldn't see what to
do with you. Annoying when people can't figure out what to do with the
top talents and anty promotion, it feels like. But anyways, you've been
in the wrestling business for over twenty years correct, twenty five to be exact,
it'd be twenty six this October. Wow, that's pretty impressive, pretty
long career. I got to ask you, man, so what was your
favorite match that you've been a part of, And then what is one dream
match that you wish, you know, just one opponent that you wish you
could have went up against. A favorite match of all time would be it's
called the Three Stages. Been a street Three Stages of Insanity against a guy
by the name of Pillbilly Jed who happens to be my best friend. And
he's five to six, was about three hundred and eighty maybe four hundred pounds
at the time, where out six six about four under pounds, and a
lot of the move the the the flippy moves, you know, like the
cannonball in the corner, the moon saw, stuff like that. Actually saw
him do first, and it kind of inspired me like, okay, you
know, not to sound like a dick, but if he can do it,
I definitely can do it, you know what I mean. So it
kind of it pushed me, you know, to a certain level or whatever,
and you know, kind of made me work harder. And so I
was, you know, just trying to find my way, I guess,
and figure out my identity as a pro wrestler. But the match ended up
being a fifty minute match between two super heavyweights. There wasn't any dead spots
or any lulls or anything like that. The first ball was like a dog
collar match. The second fall was fans bring the weapons, and the third
match, the third match was like a fan bring the leather straps lumberjack batch.
So like every time somebody got thrown out of the ring, the fans
were to like beat you with a boat. So it was interesting, but
it was fun. It was fifty minutes, you know, one of the
hardest matches I've ever had in my life. But it was awesome, you
know, it was it was big fun, you know. And I you
know, Hillbilly Jed is one of to me, like the least appreciated people
in the business, you know, for the contributions that he's made, you
know, and he's made them silently down in the Indianapolis area. You know.
I've always felt like if the right eyes could get on him, they
would want him on their their TV or their program to show just you know,
never seemed to pan out like that. And what was the second part
of the question. Sorry, I went on a long tangent. Oh no,
it's totally fun. I'm glad to hear your opinions. And your hole
is rations and everything. But the second part of the question was dream opponent
and dream match. If you have any stipulations to anything like that, what
would you have as like, I guess what would be dream opponent and dream
match. That would probably be between Vader and Andre. You know, probably
Andre when he was a little bit younger, when he can move, you
know, Vader. I had heard it was supposed to happen, like the
promoter told me it was supposed to happen, but you know, a promoter's
lie, and he told me, He's like, yeah, yeah, I
mentioned you wrestling you you know, you wrestling Vader. And Vader was like,
no, man, I'm not. I'm not getting in there and getting
my ass kicked by Congo Kong. And I was like, uh okay,
but he'd be kicking my ass the entire match, because you know it's Vader,
Like what am I going to do to Vader? You know what I
mean? I don't care how old he was. But it never ended up
happening, so you know that it's it's sad, But at the same time,
you know, I still have mad respect for the man because he kind
of helped me fashion who I am I guess. All right, so we're
gonna start off some rapid fire questions for mister Congo Kong. So likely you
want to start off? Man, sure, I'll start up this time,
all right, mister Congo Kong. Your favorite wrestler of all time, Big
Evan Vader. Average question. All right, so completely off wrestling topic.
Do you have a dream car? Uh No, I'm not. I'm not
that into cars, to be honest with you. I just want one that
gets me there safely and doesn't cost me a whole lot of gas. Totally
valid, all right, mister Congo Kong. Your favorite food to make it
home? Oh fried chicken. I'm a stereotype, don't you even? That's
not from deep down Uganda? Okay, you're supposed to. You should be
eating human flesh. Nav I can't start flaughing. What was your favorite gimmick
match toever watch growing up? Just like a you know, ladder match,
hold to sell anything like that. Probably be the Royal Rumbles or No Savira
series matches, yeah from way back when. Yeah, the big super tag
team matches. They they you know, it combined a bunch of different storylines
and different characters, and it's kind of cool to watch all your favorites versus
all your your your h not favorites. All right, we we hits.
It's all good, bro. I actually like you like opening up and just
being yourself. If you'd like to guests on the show more, we can
do that. We'd love to have an opinion of an independent worker and a
person who is just a big badass something. But now I'm gonna ask the
million dollar question. Okay, in their prime, Sonny or Missy Hyatt.
I've never heard so many stories about how many people have taken rides on Missy
Hyatt. So I know I know two wrestlers that had her on one night
so and not at the same time, right one right after the other.
Oh sexual healing turn all right? So uh outside of the business again,
So what kind of hobbies do you have, like just in your normal life?
Man, I'm curious. Uh I love video games? Or not?
When I say I love video games, people tend to think, oh,
yeah, you play Call of Duty and you know some of the regular ones.
I am a huge college football fan and so I've been playing n C
double A fourteen for about eleven years now. Recently upgraded my Xbox three sixty
to a modded version of Xbox three City three sixty and downloaded the game called
College Football Revamped, where they took n C Double A and turned it.
They updated it basically. They've updated, you know, not just the rosters,
but there's teams, new teams, there's new graphics, new plays,
all kinds of stuff they've done to this game and made it like more up
to date. It's actually pretty sick. But I've been waiting for eleven years
for July nineteenth, which is now coming and coming to Fruition, and they're
actually going to be able to release you know, College Football at twenty five.
So I'm excited about that and really looking forward to it. I already
told all my students and you know, everybody else, do not bother me
on that day because I will be or on that excuse me that week,
because I'm gonna be stuck in my room. I'll probably be stinking, I
know, my balls, be sweaty, and i might not even eat for
a couple of days or whatever because I'm gonna be deep into that game.
And that's just you know what I look forward to to relax. Like even
every night before bed, I try to play play around it too. The
balls are probably the size of my elbow. All right. So my term
I am not a big video game person. My thing is like going to
pork my girlfriend Jennifer, who's absolutely stunning, gorgeous and uh, just living
life so honor a big person who likes to cook and just kind of like
live around the house. I work a lot things like that. But getting
back into wrestling a little bit because even though we're doing wrestling topics and stuff
like that, but we're getting into fast charge. I gotta ask you,
like, if there's one wrestler that you hate that you could choke out,
who would it be? Mm hm, oh boy, let me go through,
go through, go through my mind. Uh. I can't really think
of anybody that's that bad, I guess, uh. You know, I've
had my uh my dick beating contest with like Gang Grow, you know,
but we ended up working things out. Uh. At times, you know,
been a little heated as Sammy Callum Sammy Callahan for this or that,
you know, but you know, for the most part, you know,
we've been you know, been able to be cordial with each other. So
I can't think of anybody that is really that bad that it's so much,
But yeah, al Snow. It was a big uh, a big guy
for me for a while, simply because the first time I met him,
we paid for a seminar and we didn't get to get any in the ring
work in and he just said and talked the entire time. And then he
says, well, you know, if you want me to watch your match,
just let me know. And so I did. My match happened to
be right before his, but his advice to the promoter is he needs to
layoff the twinkies. And that was it. He didn't didn't watch the match,
didn't have anything good to say to me or about me after that.
And it wasn't until we were on Impact together that we kind of, you
know, developed a relationship, you know a little bit better. So I
don't know. But then, you know, so when I see him,
you know, we're cordial. But then I hear him every now and again,
hear him saying, you know, snied stuff. So I mean,
I'm sure I'm not the only person he says it about, or two or
whatever, but you know, I hate fake people, So I don't know.
Maybe him all right after your turn, all right, So if you
could have a match with any current star that's you know, on the rise
or even just at the top. Right now, who do you think that
you would want to have that match with. Probably Damien Priest. He really
impresses me. I'm I'm really thoroughly impressed by that guy. He he's come
in and he's put in the work and he's gotten so good to me,
and I just I thoroughly enjoyed watching him. Okay, my turn. So
if you had to go back to the eighties and rewrite one storyline, what
would it be? M M. Probably probably the one where where they did
the switch where the Undertaker beat Hogan and then Hogan won it back like a
couple of days later or whatever Tuesday in Texas. Yeah, that was stupid.
There was no reason that Undertaker ever needed to be beat by Hogan.
Yeah, that was one thing I didn't care for about Hogan was he didn't
know when when to back down. Well, he's not one of my favorite
performers. He was just a person who put them put everything on the map.
But he was just definitely not one of the best performers. All right,
So we're gonna wind this up today. Okay, So mister Wilson.
First of all, Congo Kong with Cyrus. I want to thank you personally
for taking this bid from my nephew to do this for Wrestle Magic. I
was the one who suggested this and he was the one who made it happen.
Our podcast is gonna give you a vessel to express yourself. So I
please want you to tell us all of your Twitter information and the ways to
be booked. Okay, you can find me on Twitter at real Congo Kong.
I'm hardly ever on there because you know Twitter is the double You know,
plenty of people on there been behind their computer keyboards and whatnot, you
know, trying to ruin others, and so I just I stay away from
there as much as possible. But you know, if you shoot me a
message or whatever, or at tag me in something, then you know I'll
respond. I'll reply whatever. You can find me on Facebook under Steve Wilson
or what is it the Congo Kong slash. The juggernad O Cyrus is my
my gimmick page. You can also look me up under Professor Kong's Wrestling Academy
and also Juggernaut Gear Bio Cyrus because I do make wrestling gear and have watch
Why tell us a little bit more about your professor academy. You ever part
of that. Really, it's been going since twenty seventeen. I have quite
a bit of students that I've trained out of there, and also was training
before then for a company called Heroes and Legends Wrestling, And so I've been
doing it for a while and you know, decided after the Heroes and Legends
school shut down, let it open up. My own been going pretty well.
Have a bunch of students and we we're like family, you know.
There. I consider them my kids. They a lot of them refer to
me as Dad or Pops or you know whatever. And it's not just you
pay me to learn a little bit about wrestling. It's we get together and
we we have fun learning wrestling, you know, while enjoying our time with
each other, if that makes sense, you know. So it's not just
a it's not a factory. It's not a come here for a twelve week
course and then I'll send you on your way. No, I like to
be thorough. I like to make sure that my kids understand, you know,
not just the entering wrestling, but the business side as well as you
know, knowing things about life, you know, and and building up confidence
about their life, you know, things that they can they can take into
the regular world. And and uh use you know, not just you know,
not just the x's and o's of professional wrestling, but you know,
building confidence and self esteem and you know, knowing how to deal with issues
and situations and to conquer those and and to be able to overcome stuff like
that, and that that to me, that's important to instill good values in
them as well as the wrestling. So uh, you know, I if
that's something that you're you're into and you're not in such a hurry to get
to the ring, because again, I like to be thorough. I like
to make sure that that everybody is ready before I send them out there.
And uh, you know, if that's your your type of environment, you
know, you like a family environment as opposed to you know, going to
a quote unquote factory. And no that's not a shot at anybody with the
name factory in there in there in their title. But you know, there's
quite a few schools that they to me, they send guys out and they
are not ready, and it is a bad situation. So I find myself
teaching a lot of guys on the fly, you know that aren't even my
students. But you know, for the sake of wrestling. I I do
it, you know, because I want I want to see wrestling succeed.
But yeah, the school, it's called Pro Professor Kong's Wrestling Academy. It
is in Bluffon, Indiana, and we are there Tuesdays and Thursdays from six
till whenever. Oftentimes will go have a bite to eat and some sort of
fellowship on a Tuesday or Thursday night, you know. And a couple of
weeks ago we actually got together and went to the local U Triple A baseball
game and had a blast, you know, just to to fellowship and get
out of the house, you know. And we've gotten together for WrestleMania.
We we've had Thanksgiving get togethers, you know, the whole nine. Like
I just I don't believe that you develop human beings better then unless you give
them that family kind of support, you know, and they know they can
call me for whatever, and I'll do my best to help them. And
you know, they they treat me like I said, like I'm like I'm
Dad. Like last year they bought me an expensive heat press machine for my
for my gear making business, you know, so that so that I can
make stuff and feel comfortable about it. And you know, they take care
of me just like I take care of them. And so, like I
said, it's a it's a a family environment. It's I don't know,
I like, I know, I'm rambling, but it's it's coka, just
go ahead, go ahead to me. It's a good situation, you know.
And and because I know a lot of guys that go through training and
they don't even talk to their trainer anymore. And I don't want that.
I want I want a relationship with you know, all my guys. I
want to know how they're doing, you know, what's going on with them?
Uh what what you know, any issues they might be having, uh,
all that stuff. You know. I got one one kid who's doing
really well. He just got I got to uh rustling a tournament and he
ended up winning it for like a it's like a newcomers tournament or something like
that. And I'm just glad to see that he is getting around, getting
his name out. He goes by Eric Surge and uh, you know,
I'm pretty happy for him. I can't wait to see what life brings him,
and I know it's going to be fruitful. Not saying that he's the
only one, I'm just saying that he's he's wanted the ones to look out
for it. Absolutely absolutely so. Something else that we kind of like to
do here on Wrestle Magic is we always like to give the audience a nice
recommendation just for movie, song, video game, doesn't really matter what it
is. Would you have a recommendation for the audience just anything, doesn't have
to be wrestling related. Man, a movie recommendtion recommendation? Tell yeah,
I like the Guys of the Corng movie. Actually that was the last one
I went to go see. But and I'm not to strike a post when
you said it, and I'm not a huge five fan, but I enjoyed
that. I really did very nice. What about you? Math recommendation for
me? Well, legally, I've just been playing a couple of different video
games psychological horror. I've found that I've really been enjoying this game called Alan
Wake, where it's a honestly, it's just about an author who went out
on a vacation starts finding pages to a horror story that he doesn't remember writing
and everything that he's seeing in the pages is happening to him. So highly
recommend it, guys, if you've never played it, it's pretty interesting.
But yeah, so I guess we can wrap it up from here. Michael,
do you have any recommendation for the audience. Absolutely, I'm gonna recommend
a song from my past. It is called Megalomaniacal. It's by the band
k MFDM. It starts out in German goes through English. It was a
great, great album. It was probably nineteen ninety six or seven. The
whole album was great. It was off the album syl Symbols. But the
song is just amazing. It's just fun and it's a beat and we can
have fun with that. But okay, everybody at your Twitter at Captain one
four all right, Twitter is at maintenance. Man, have it's been another
nice episode of Wrestle Magic Thanke? Sure? Yeah for somebody out there,
never know who needs it. Man, Congo Kong, your your ex,
anything else. I am at real Congo Kong. Also Instagram is Congo Cyrus
seventy eight. Shoot me a message if you want to talk. I have
no issues with talking to anybody until it gets weird and then you'll probably go.
Also for everybody who's listening on Patreon for this albeit smack down, so
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Maverick, mister Congo Kong, thank you, thank you, thank you guys
for having me. Let me know when you want me back. Absolutely all
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