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Well, happy Mark cast Friday here
live episode today Black Friday. I thought

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I had eliminated going before, you
know, the New York Jets game and

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trying to all the competition today,
you know, get people getting up,

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get their shopping, and forgot we're
actually going up against the feasts of football

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here, the XFLS thing. So
we'll see, hopefully, hopefully we could

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do whatever. But this was fun
today. I felt like we needed to

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do something. I had been talking
with Max about this listener Max producer.

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Max been knee deep in CFL content
for about a month, and Max,

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you know, I'm trying to get
away from like, okay, is it

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four and eight and four? Okay, now it's five and five. Okay,

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now it's eight, trying to get
through all that making videos every week.

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But now we need to stop down
at Max, how are you doing.

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I'm doing great. It feels kind
of weird following spring football right now,

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because this kind of feels like a
whole lot of enoughing, really,

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but at least now, for the
first time in months, really we have

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something more substantial than hearsay. That's
nice. Yeah, it's been it's been

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tough, and I know and and
God bless Brandon and everyone trying to kind

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of do these videos. Like I
said, we you know, doing the

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Great Cup Show had a great success
for that. I appreciate, you know,

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sixty six thousand people checking that out, which was pretty cool, the

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biggest thing that we've seen, so
you know, obviously on our channel.

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So excited for that. But Max
said, there's enough now with the government.

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You know we have I got the
photos, all this kind of stuff,

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Mike Mitchell's recent reporting. There's enough
to talk about. We need to

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stop down. I asked the professor
Andrew Murray, who being busy with family

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obligations, ask Greg Parks, and
I said, Max, it's important to

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that. We'll get Max. Now, we'll run down all this questions everything

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else today. Philip checking in Max. First off, you know, what

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is the welfare check right now?
Because I know there's been a lot of

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animosity online and a lot of like
now we've parlayed the xfl usfl stuff and

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okay, well who's gonna win with
the numbers and kind of all that stuff.

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We're sitting here, it's Black Friday, November twenty fourth. How are

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you feeling. I'm just looking around, like you know, remember last year

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when the USFL was all putting their
commercials on TV and during NFL games.

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I mean, I haven't been watching
whole of NFL football. I don't think

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that's been happening lately. I sure
haven't seen many people posting about it if

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it has been happening, or anyone
really And the XFL is like, we'll

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just re air stuff we already did
on YouTube all off season. Even now

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it's just more of the same stuff. It really feels like they're just biting

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their time hoping them gets improved in
time to launch a merge twenty twenty four

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season. And I'm a little concerned
what's going to happen. If they can't

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do it then, are they going
to have separate seasons or twenty twenty four?

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Are they just going to cancel it
all entirely and start over in twenty

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twenty five as a merged league.
That's kind of my fear is, you

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know, we went through this last
year. We had the Vegas Vipers and

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the Cashman Field. You feel the
dreams at all? And we have a

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question here from random we'll talk about
the Vegas Vipers. Do you have any

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questions anything? Post them and I'll
tag them here and we'll get to him

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in the second. You know,
we went through all that last year really

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delayed. It doesn't feel like either
of these leagues have a lot of juice

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right now. I do think the
USFLA is doing more. Hey, watch

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our guys play on Thursday night.
Watch our guys play on Sunday. Kind

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of watch that suff XFL. Like
you said, we're doing this feast of

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Friday. But it doesn't feel like, you know, this is a league

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with players reporting in the month and
a half. No, it certainly does

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not feel like this is going to
be playing football in February. And honestly,

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I'm not even sure the USFL was
going to be playing football in April

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at this point separately either. It
just kind of all feels like a bit

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of a mirage in terms of the
back and forth, where it felt like

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at the beginning the reports were actuel
reaching out to the USFL kind of being

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absorbed that way. Now at least
reports I had heard and flying in even

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this latest Thursday night to Canada and
they're at the reporter suite getting the messages

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like hey, now we're feeling here
and it's going to be more XFLI like,

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what if we stumble where it's kind
because it feels like every week kind

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of they need to kind of bounces
one way or another. The main stumbling

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has just been that they can't get
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this sorted out, even though it's
taken months upon months, and also that

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it took them this long to start
on this process in the first place.

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They should have figured out that they
wanted to do this if this was something

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entering their mind in like March of
this year instead of July. Man,

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Instead we wait so long and now
the regulators are going to delay it through

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probub. I mean, we're hoping
for the mid December, but I'm I

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don't know if this makes it through
by the end of the year. I

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mean, I just I just don't
see it, honestly. Well, and

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there's always the kind of the at
the end of the year shutdown stuff too,

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where everyone kind of yeah, it's
taken off. I remember following with

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all of the uh the when we
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small business loans and unemployment and all
that stuff, and I remember tracking a

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lot of like government processes of Okay, when is this stuff getting to get

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approved, Like, okay, now
we're taking the next four weeks off,

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we'll be back right. Wait,
wait a minute here, what's going on?

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So? Yeah, we had John
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couple of weeks ago, I think
the last kind of proper episode talking about

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the big government meet up. That's
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you know, most juice here to
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we have some questions Mike reporting that
let me get the photo up, and

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then what do you make of kind
of the reports coming out of you do

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I need the rock we're meeting in
DC? Who do we have here in

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this photo? Max? Kind of
because Mike did the big breakdown, I

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mean Mark had the article, but
might kind of put in this workout.

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Yeah, I was snooping around trying
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middle was and I so I did
an AI photo recognition search. Came back

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like eighty seven percent score Burt magnus
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I'll ask and see if people who
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it's him. In turn, enough, they did find out it was him

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in the middle there, so everyone
else seriously, we have Dwayne and Danny

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on the ends, then we have
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of them, and then we got
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one of the heads of Redbird.
He's like one of the partners, I

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think, and they were in DC. And it seems to be the biggest

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sticking point right now is at least
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wanting eight teams total, whether that's
four and four, I've heard five and

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three, which with you is again
there's kind of this like measuring the stick

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measuring contest here going on, which
I don't like, right, I don't

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like celebrating victories of any kind of
like, wow, the more USFL team

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survives whatever. But it seems to
be that the I guess right, the

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government concerned that with the losing of
jobs, layoffs, kind of all that

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stuff, they want more ten tel
teas. Am I understanding this correctly?

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Yeah? Personally, in my opinion, I think all the hearsay at this

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point about like which league has more
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sides, so they want to have
enough and everything else has nothing to do

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with which league is preferred and Honestly, the people who are saying, oh,

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we think it's gonna be more teams
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are probably just a lot of them. I better coaches and players who are

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just talking trash, honestly. But
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well, and I think they need
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And I've got a couple of ideas. Listen out. Uh yeah,

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I mean, because that's that's the
thing, right is, and it's never

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been people always think like, Okay, this merger is going to come together.

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You know, we're going to have
this sixteen and Mike mitchelline that we

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talk a lot in the group chat
and this Megapower League and eight and eight

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and all that stuff. Clearly,
this merger is a coming together of we,

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you know, we can't compete against
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little bit. Whether are some ideas, I know you have your I know

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you have your Google doc here going
through. What are some of the things

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that you're concerned about it that you
want to talk through. Well, the

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regulators are obviously are we're about layoffs, but the league is like, hey,

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we're not going to be able to
run this if we have twelve to

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fourteen teams because we have too many
players, too much overhead, whatever.

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And also on top of that,
they're trying to move to the USFL model

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of cutting off all the full time
pay for all these assistants that aren't coordinators,

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which is only three of them.
So on the on the bigger problem

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on the layoffs end for the large
organization, if you can find a way

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to say, hey, let's meet
in the middle of the number of teams,

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but then all the teams or all
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have home sites, and so that
way you can say, hey, we

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have we've retained all this staff for
selling tickets. We might move them around

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to markets, or at least we
retain the numbers of staff. We might

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have to fire and rehire or whatever, But that way you'd be selling tickets

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and markets, you'll have ticketing staff, stadium staff, vendors. All that

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you're still paying those people. That
part of the economy is still set.

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And on top of that, you're
you're still you're not taking away eight teams,

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you're taking away six teams. So
still a little bit of a compromise

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there for the player's sake, and
the coach is sick, and the executives

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of teams I guess, which there
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think the USFL has much scouting infrastructure
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terms of how to make each coaching
staff more efficient in terms of because they

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currently they don't want everybody full time, if they could find a set up

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like how the Renegades and some of
the how the Guardians did it, where

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they gave multiple different people like co
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also an assistant head coach role and
a special teams head coach role. All

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those guys also coach their own position
group, and then you have like six

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position groups covered six assistants center full
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special teams co assistant head coach,
and then you have a core that

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can you can maintain a culture every
year in your assistance group, and then

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you can rotate some of the other
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back coach or whatever. In that
way, it'll be easier to build a

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team every year. But does this
seem like these conversations of this magnitude in

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terms of kind of this. It
feels very late to be having here in

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November. Do you anticipate that they
thought they would have an easier time getting

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this pushed through? I know when
we remember when the original reports came out

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and it said that we're all,
yeah, three, like they're not going

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to have any problems with this,
like this is some small potatoes. But

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it does seem like they're getting really
caught in the weeds here. Yeah.

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It kind of feels like they just
assumed, because the alternative was that they

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would go bankrupt, that the government
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But they have to realize that the
government has to look out for the long

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term effects of something like this sticking
around while still taking away layoffs instead of

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as a warning as to say,
hey, this just doesn't work if you

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try to mess with this and we're
not. We're not going to allow you

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to just take away jobs and keep
going. They like they have to.

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I guess they need to maintain their
enforcement muscle. Really, it seems to

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me, and we've talked about this
a lot with the you know, the

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XFL the sixty million and kind of
all of that stuff in the USFL,

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Like at some point, we're gonna
need to be okay, taken the sustained

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loss for a couple of years here
on this. And the problem to me

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is we're trying to figure out how
can we penny pinch and Okay, let's

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let's go consolidate, get you offensive
and we don't need this many And it's

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like the CFL model, Like,
Okay, Chris Jones gonna be the GM

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and the head coach and he's calling
the defensive plays and we're doing this like

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it feels to me at some point
you're gonna need to jump in. And

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I don't know, We've lived through
this with the UFL, USFL, with

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the HUB model, now with the
XFL. He just doesn't feel like either

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of these entities is willing. And
I get it. I mean, I

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don't you know, I have one
hundreds of million dollars dollars to lose either.

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It seems like this isn't It seems
like we're just trendy water here.

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We're trying to shed access weight versus
trying to get a life jacket on here.

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Yeah, and also it really feels
like they're not even committing to trying

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to get people in the door.
It just kind of feels like, let's

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just put football out there and we'll
see what happens. And I mean,

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we wrote I wrote up the whole
fans Bill of Rights thing, and they

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did not care at all about that, even though that was one of your

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most popular videos. And people,
just like the people in the leagues,

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just don't care about actually trying to
get fans. They just care about how

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if they can get some minimal profits
off the back end by reducing costs to

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the smallest possible amount. Are you
concerned? And I was here when we

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had John Lewis's episode on and when
we had Greg Parks on it. I

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guess it was like a month ago
now that the public perception of all this

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not only kind of in the in
the the casual market. Right, Okay,

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we're hearing about all this stuff.
But if I'm a fan of either

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of these leagues, here we have
Chris her Aviation Junction talking, you know,

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taking away the dragons, like I'll
tell you my friends here in Seattle,

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like we're at you know, they're
just waiting to get their money refunded

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at this point, they have no
you know, I said, I don't

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doesn't feel like Seattle is going to
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it doesn't matter, like we're out
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hurky jerky and we've been part of
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that's what I think some of these
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and this is jobs lost and I
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like some of these fans that this
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it's just a huge askt now of
like, well, let's sit tight

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here or ain't through all this?
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selling the sweets and the BattleHawks selling
sweets like okay, but what's this going

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to look like here? Is it
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it going to be March April?
It seems like they're still too much in

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the air even as far as that
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mean obviously, I mean I think
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February kickoff, March kickoff, whatever
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forbid a July kickoff, right Like, there's no way. I don't.

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I just don't think anybody. I
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desperate to have spring football survive fan
just cannot possibly remain attached to this right

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now because there's just no security in
this team. If you get invested in

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your team is gonna go away in
six months. The league might go away

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in a year you like, and
there's no reason to believe it won't because

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the people who are running it are
making it seem like it might go away

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this year. So like, what's
it's really hard to see the point if

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you're if you don't believe in the
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in the vision, can you trust
these people? I don't know if you

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can anymore. I'm just gonna be
honest, Well you can't, you know.

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this, it feels like, I
don't know, it feels like this is

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a baby that's been passed on.
It's been passed on, it's been passed

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on, and it's gone through so
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care, and it was in the
court system and it was got adopted by

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the government and then it got adopted
out, and so like, it feels

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like it's gone through so many different
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for me to hold on to we
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plan to run Separate in twenty twenty
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It basically a lame duck season.
That's kind of I feel like we're

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the weird sticky point right now where
all of this came out and then we

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had the actual US reporting all of
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feels like it's a lose lose situation
right now, where either we roll forward,

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Hey, don't you pay no attention
to the pressure lease in September we're

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working on in this state. But
then how possibly do you get invested in

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that? Or like you said that
we do we delay, do we do

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everybody? What do you make of
that? If we just continue this doesn't

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happen, we go forward in twenty
twenty for our business as usual. I

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mean, it's like danged if you
do dinged if you don't right like you.

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If you run the season twenty twenty
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meaningless. And if you do not
run the season and you just go to

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twenty twenty five, then people are
going to forget you even exist. Like

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all the TV on j are gonna
be like, oh, spring football is

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gone, they went bankrupt again.
I'm not even gonna They're not gonna it's

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not even gonna be on the radar
that emerge league in twenty twenty five is

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coming, because these people are doing
such a bad job of raising awareness about

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their football leagues that I just don't
see how people would realize that it's coming

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back. Well, and I thought
it was interesting too, because we've talked

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a lot on here about you know, coaching and staff and competition. Right

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with the CFL, we're trying to
get all this talent whatever. It was

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funny to me. We were up
in Hamilton for the Great Cup and Dave

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Naylor was on our stream, but
we had it was that morning that he

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had just tweeted out because someone was
asking about coaching competition and they're like,

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he goes, well, you know, there's so much uncertainty right now with

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the spring leagues in America. I'm
like, you know, perception changes really

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quick, and here just six nine
months ago, I'm talking with CFL agents

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and yeah, you know, we're
telling people go play in the USFL,

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go play in the XFL. And
then here you go, like, we

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know the way they made Blue Bombers
are going to be here in twenty twenty

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eight. We know, you know, we think we know the Edmonton Elks

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are going to be They might be
under private ownership, but you know,

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there's just a lot of I guess
again shifting watershare from what was just even

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six months ago, in terms of
how these leagues are viewed. I just

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think, yeah, if it just
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Really, they're gonna do whatever.
The ownership is going to do whatever they

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want, and if the league fails, whatever, it's a rounding error to

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them whatever. You know, they
don't want to put in the real commitment

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to make this work, because if
they did, they would put in even

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the same level of commitment that they
put into some of their other properties,

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Like they put all this care and
effort into making sure they can get people

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out to a soccer game. But
then when you buy an entire football league,

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and you just do not reach out
to the fans until like two months

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before the season, and then the
second time around you don't really reach out

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to them at all because you don't
even know if you're going to have a

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season. I mean, how are
people supposed to take you? Seriously?

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I just don't understand. I want
to talk here, we have some notes,

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we'll have some questions. We get
to as well. Yeah, it

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fell, and I get that.
That's why we're not telling anyone. I

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totally get that, right, better
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hard. I mean I tweeted out
right after everything came out and the USFL

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was talking about their you know,
their fire free agency. I'm like,

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man, this is really hard to
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Okay, we know this is going
on in the background, but you

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know, it's like your parents are
squabbling. It's like, well, dads

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still got to take me to practice, but I know that when I get

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home it's going to be awkward,
Like you know, there's just a lot

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of whatever with that. But you
know, we've seen the trademarks. We've

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seen the NFL are they was it
the National Football League trademark. We've seen

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the UFL trademark now hearing it could
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which has always made more sense to
me just because of the time the

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money put into that. In terms
of it being the XFL, I think

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the USFL, I would ride with
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USFL absorbing the XFL. Moving on, where do you make it currently?

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How you feel on that? All
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is a larger online footprint and has
a younger audience and also managed to draw

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slightly more with way less exposure,
and also, quite frankly, I don't

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think the USFL brand really connects to
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And I just don't really get why
you would have all these massive six hundred

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and seven hundred thousand follower accounts and
then pick the one that has like one

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hundred and thirty five thousand followers.
I don't know. To me and I

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have this hanging. I always have
this from our good friend the rash mcgonni

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got that at Great Cup and the
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you know, twice failed now you're
going in is a thrice fail. I

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think there's baggage on that as well. That's why I kind of go back

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and forth. I think I don't
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we need to maintain one and before
it, I think, yeah, and

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in the USFEL, I mean,
the XFL might be a thrice failed league.

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In the USFL might be a twice
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both they both leags are failing pretty
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no there's no way about it.
So I think you have to pick the

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one that has a larger connection to
most of society. And I don't think

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that's the one that died forty years
ago and they're trying to revive and that

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people under the age of fifty just
don't care about. But that's just me.

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But whatever, they'll they'll pick one
because the alternative is to bring a

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whole new name about that doesn't make
any sense and try to make that connect

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with people. Whenever you've already put
so much effort into building these other brands

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that just just does not make any
sense to do any of it. Let

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me and let me know. In
the comments we had here, you know,

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Foosball usfls are saying, I guess
I'm the one saying I would just

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keep with the US developed Fox to
put a ton of money into that.

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I think it's clean. I understand
what Max is saying, the residents residents

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of all of that, But you
know, I don't want to be too

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Homer Reagan to be like it's got
to be the UXFL or bust like I

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don't know. I guess it depends
kind of how the actual you know,

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league management is going to end up
being. But I'm looking here at the

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comments, uh pat here saying I
would stay with the USFL with the ownership

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of the Xcel franchise USFL and XL
wants to see it appears that's kind of

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where I'm at. You know,
bringing the battle Hawks bring up, like

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you said, marketed is an acquisition
the USFL bringing in you call it the

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merger or whatever. But to me, yeah, branding and acquiring all these

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new trademarks is going to be a
lot interesting and regard I just to me,

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it always baffled me that they would
go down that course of like,

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well, we we sued Steve Earhart
and all of this, and we got

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all these trademarks and Ryan Woods bought
all this in and now we're gonna dump

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it. I think it probably costs
the XFL more to buy the league than

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it did for them to go through
all those lawsuits and those trademarks. So

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you tell me, honestly and whatever, they'll pick one. It doesn't really

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matter. We can find we can
decide which one you want, but at

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the end of the day, it's
not up to us. I will say

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this, there's only one USFL representative
in that picture in DC. There's everyone

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else is basically associated with the XFL
or ESPN, which is directly tied to

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the XFL. John, don't feel
like you're too old, I said fifty

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plus. Don't don't. I'm not. I'm not pushing too hard on it.

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You're you're not, You're not that
old. Uh yeah, How did

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we get out of some of these
stadium leases? Well, you know you

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got you got loomin Field and all
of that. I don't know. I

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think are these one year offs at
this point? Can we duck at the

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point. I'm sure some of them
are two or three year leases. They'll

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pay the whatever it takes to get
out, and I mean the alternative is

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they lose even more money staying there. So well, you're gonna end up

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having to give refunds anyway for a
lot of this stuff. I mean in

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terms of like Seattle, like we're
all paid up. I mean it's not

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a lot, but I mean it's
what three eighty five times four. I

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mean we're in for you know,
forty whatever that is for the Underbucks or

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whatever. So, uh, you
know they're gonna have to do that at

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that point. You had to know
that on here. With that, with

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losing an NBC presence, not having
an NBC presence here, what do you

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in terms of kind of the merged
League movie. It's just hard to say.

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All I know is there's nobody from
NBC in that picture, And partially

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that's probably because they sub Fox only
sub licenses games to NBC. It's not

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like NBC is directually involved in the
league in any way. But the ESPN

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is technically not directly involved in the
ownership of the XFL either, and they're

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right there in the middle of the
photo, uh with Burke maintenance. Yeah,

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I'm a little concerned that NBC is
not gonna stick around for this new

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iteration because they can see that the
interest in the overall field is kind of

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doting out and they can see that
these leads are not being well run at

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all. Elaborate on that not being
well run. Well, they can see

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that their audience numbers, right,
I mean, they were expecting huge numbers

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in twenty twenty three for you the
USFL, and it just was not there.

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So you know, it's just kind
of hard to say what or what

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sort of other stuff would you would
you really hope for? Right, It's

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kind of why would you stick around
in terms of the I guess the time

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to strike on this. Have we
missed this window in terms of the competing

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last year? And I just checked
where we're currently out drying the feast of

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football on the XFL channel. So
that's exciting just as a personal picture.

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Not that it's a low bar,
but I'll take that as a win here,

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Black Priday. You know, we
had said we would beat the Sharks.

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Evan won the crack at the other
night. In this stance, he's

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a little victorious in life. But
uh, you know, because like I

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said, now there's so much uncertainty
with this. We're dragging this out.

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We're going through the same things last
year. I mean, it has this

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window already passed if that makes sense. Well, for twenty twenty four.

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I just mean in general right now, I mean for the short term,

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like you know, I'm talking within
the next ten years here. I mean

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we had was it John Lewis on
a I you know, I don't see

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this happen here? Was it?
Paul res When did they? Like this

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is kind of the last chance of
this for the next decade plus. Maybe

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it just kind of I feel like
if you if someone else who was smarter

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came in and started over and tried
to build up from the ground up and

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didn't try to feel as big,
and it said started at the roots,

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they would be able to do a
lot better. But they don't. They

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all want to they all want to
go big, but then not commit to

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going big, and it just kind
of feels like get rich quick scheme and

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it's like, no, those never
work. This is not cryptocurrency, y'all.

407
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:07.240
And that didn't work either in the
long run. Well if and that

408
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.279
was that's always been and I've been
pretty public about, you know, vocal

409
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:15.119
about my usfl of you know,
this is more football, please watch.

410
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.880
And I called it, you know, back when it was the Brian Woods

411
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.160
and it was more Caveman football versus
the XFL, which was like, this

412
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.839
is a matrix and we're going to
be cross connecting and all these platforms and

413
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:29.039
you know, scaling up and the
multi layer and all this stuff. I

414
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.599
don't know, did you feel and
that were you that much more inspired from

415
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:34.319
the XFL's product last year? To
me, it felt, you know,

416
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.160
there was lip service, and I
know the broadcast had a different flare to

417
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:41.720
it, but fundamentally, how did
you feel that looking back at those The

418
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:47.720
main thing I appreciated about the XFL
more than the USFL would be they did

419
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.039
a bit better of a job earlier
and connecting compared to when the USFL started.

420
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:59.240
And also they didn't let themselves get
weighed down by having literally zero fans

421
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:04.599
at games, which was something that
I think that perception hurt the USFL so

422
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.519
much that even though they brought themselves
out to more markets, that it was

423
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.839
too late. The first impression had
already been made, and people just didn't

424
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.079
want to watch the USFL more because
they thought no one's going to be there.

425
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.640
There's no energy. If you're a
casual fan who doesn't even really care

426
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.599
that much about the football game,
you just want to be entertained. The

427
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.480
crowd is part of the entertainment.
Whether people who are actual football fans like

428
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.559
Emory Hunt want to say that people
don't care about the crowd, people absolutely

429
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:36.680
do care about the crowd. That's
why they watch college football. College people

430
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.920
don't watch college football for the football
unless it's the very best teams, like

431
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.559
you will watch out of Arkansas,
Florida because because of the environment, because

432
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:51.720
it's exciting, right Fageantry, Whereas
that USFL brand's been so tarnished by these

433
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:53.839
anti stadiums. That's another reason I
don't think you want to keep that USFL

434
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:56.640
name because people are going to be
watching see the name of like, oh,

435
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.960
that's the game with literally zero fans
in the building. What's the point

436
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:07.000
of me watching that? That's like
watching like some people on YouTube. What's

437
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.519
the point? It's hard. It's
hard to me, and I don't know.

438
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.880
I kind of go back and forth
with those of it to me and

439
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.240
I know it's been badgered to death, this kind of hub thing. But

440
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.960
I do agree with you, at
least in terms of the long term effects

441
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.519
of it. I think it's something
where if you need to argue it repeatedly,

442
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.039
it's obviously it's a thing and so
that to me is challenging. And

443
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.680
we have John Lewis here, you
had so many casual fans ever say they

444
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.799
went back because of those empty state
of audus. You know, it's like

445
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.559
if you're in an argument with someone
that, yah, it's fine, it's

446
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.559
fine, Like, don't worry.
At some point, at some point it's

447
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.799
going to be you know, it's
something that needs to be taken account.

448
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.640
You know, the minimal more than
the XMFL had in some and I want

449
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.000
to get we had a question here
about the Vegas Mipers Stadium. But I

450
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.680
do agree with you. I think
long term effects of that it's hard.

451
00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:02.119
I think USFL fans champion, hubs
champion. You know, the the no

452
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.200
he's saying, the no fans is
fine because of that business model made sense

453
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:11.319
to me. Merely outlasting your competition
does not make a successful business model.

454
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.119
It means that you were able to
survive longer, right with it, with

455
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:15.799
the funds that you had. You're
not You're not proving growth on that.

456
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.119
Last thing longer is not going to
make people want to watch. Last thing

457
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.160
longer is just going to be a
slow death. Do you want it faster?

458
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.960
Do you want it slow? I
don't really want either. I want

459
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.920
these people to actually understand how to
connect with the fans. That's what I

460
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.119
want. Well, and then you
know, I've had conversations and talking like

461
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.559
because people think like I've all butt
hurt because Seattle called reads like I really

462
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.559
don't care. I mean it was
cool, and when we went to the

463
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.519
games and all of that, I
don't. I go the one BC Lions

464
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.920
game a year. I covered the
CFL line. But to me, this

465
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.480
promise that like, well, no, we're going to take a step back

466
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.279
and then in two three years,
like you're going to figure it, We'll

467
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.680
get to that point. You haven't
proven that yet, So to me,

468
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.480
it's it's it's problem. I've seen
something down the road, but I don't

469
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.319
have anything right now to prove that
that's something that's going to actually pan out

470
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:10.119
in the future. And as they've
ramped up their commitment to more markets and

471
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:15.559
more fans again, the broader national
interest has already turned away. It's already

472
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.279
declining, and that perception has not
changed, and it did not increase.

473
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.440
Over the course of the seasons.
People realized that there were more there was

474
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:29.000
more interest around the league in the
places they played it declined because people already

475
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.480
gave up, and that's going to
be a really hard mounted to climb.

476
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.319
And I think that same problem is
going to hit the XFL now, because

477
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.519
if they cancel their season in twenty
twenty four, their toast. And if

478
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:48.039
they don't cancel their season, outside
of maybe Saint Louis probably still despite it

479
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:53.160
all, and DC will probably still
show up. But I mean, there

480
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:57.319
might not be more than five thousand
fans in any other XFL market. Maybe

481
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:03.200
you'll get ten thousand in San Antonio, you know, And I mean,

482
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.000
sure people will see that at least
somebody cares, right, but they're going

483
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:12.160
to see that nobody else really does. And how long are people going to

484
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.839
be willing to watch that? Whenever? It just kind of feels like it

485
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:21.960
doesn't matter unless you really care about
the sport. We had a question here

486
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:23.759
from Pat. I think that the
low I think at this point it might

487
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.000
be better to like twenty playout.
I think it would be better to see

488
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.519
that possibly delete the teams from there. Usually the opinion of guys who were

489
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:34.440
move on to the NFL, et
cetera. Yah, Yeah, I don't

490
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.079
know. I've gone back and forth
because I had said originally, and I'll

491
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.640
hide this because we can't see your
beautiful face if we if if this merger

492
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.319
doesn't happen, at least in my
perception, I see much more happening with

493
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.480
the USFL right now. Am I
reading that wrong because you've said that you've

494
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.920
been unimpressed with that? Because to
me, the USFL is right like we're

495
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.640
doing Birmingham events, like we're ready
to flip the switch and go if we

496
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.319
need to. I mean, I
think they'll have a season. I'll put

497
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.440
it out. I think you will
have a season if this merger doesn't happen.

498
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.920
Do I think people will really care? Nah, I don't think they're

499
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.839
doing anything to actually make people care, so sure there will be a USFL

500
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:15.799
twenty twenty four season. Do I
think the audience numbers are going down despite

501
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.519
them trying to ramp up exposure even
more on TV? Yes? I do.

502
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.039
Do I think that their online following
is going to really increase? No,

503
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.680
I don't really think it's going to
improve, So it'll just be a

504
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.480
lost season from the USFL. Honestly, if you were, if it was

505
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:32.960
up to me, I would,
If I would, I would hope the

506
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.680
merger goes through, they cancel twenty
twenty four, and then they put their

507
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:43.759
foot down on twenty twenty four and
they actually commit to connecting the local markets

508
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.119
like these should have done all along, and then at least people will know

509
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:51.240
that they're coming in twenty twenty five, and on top of that, they'll

510
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.720
feel like this time the league actually
cares, because currently I don't think either

511
00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:00.440
fan base, if they were really
honest with themselves, feels like these leaks

512
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.240
really care. I I've thought about
this, and I've talked with Dorothy,

513
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:09.160
and not that anyone cares what I
think. And you're certainly with the CFL

514
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.279
and everything. I mean, I
think they tolerated let me come up.

515
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.279
But I do wish at some point
anybody would have a conversation with anybody in

516
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.400
terms of the fan bases with these
leagues of like uh not not coming in

517
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.880
with that. We know exactly what
we need to do, and like many

518
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.680
of the mistakes that have been made
over the last two three years I think

519
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.960
could have been course corrected by some
conversations and like, well, we've seen

520
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.400
this work before, we haven't seen
this work before, this is what you

521
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:36.279
need to do. It just baffles
me. There we're at this point now,

522
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.160
and it feels like it's kind of
the same. Uh. It's like

523
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.000
it's like you're the soldier kind of
a ballet of your wid Like I've been

524
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.000
through this, Like I've already kind
of seen all of this stuff and could

525
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:50.640
have saved a lot of these casualties
along the way. Yeah, if you

526
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.400
literally like looked into the history of
spring football at all, they would just

527
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:59.799
obviously realize that it would The way
they were doing this is just not going

528
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.440
to work. And now you at
a point where if you have a season,

529
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.920
people are not gonna be able to
connect that to whatever the new league

530
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.119
is, even if you maintain the
name, because you're gonna be bringing leagues

531
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:13.199
with totally different teams together, totally
different markets. Some markets are going away,

532
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.239
and also people don't really have any
idea it's happening. And if you

533
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.000
don't have the season, then the
only way you're gonna be able to get

534
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.360
people to know you is if you
actually get out there in the markets and

535
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.199
you say, hey, we're coming, we're coming, we have all this

536
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.960
together. There's a reason we cancel
this because we're going to come back better

537
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:35.119
and stronger and offer you something serious
this time, instead of just halfway committing

538
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:40.840
there, I would rather almost throw
away the twenty twenty four history connection and

539
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:45.079
just pretend we're starting a brand new
league with the same name, just to

540
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:51.039
maintain a brand and push and push
and push and say this time, we're

541
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.079
for real, we mean this,
We're serious, we care about you now.

542
00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:00.000
But you know, maybe they don't. But I think they might not

543
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.159
care, so I have way to
go. I think it's it puts it

544
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.960
in a challenging situation we have.
I put it up already, but Dynamite

545
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.280
gamings and no season twenty twenty before
we'd kill any interest, no trust that

546
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.559
league can even play, I will
say, and John here that said this

547
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.320
well about that. I do not
talk to nearly as many players as I

548
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.199
know, like Mike does, and
I know Evan has connections and Pat and

549
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.639
kind of everybody else in our circle. But I had a couple of players

550
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.960
reach out here over the last week
because I think, just like probably CFL

551
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.639
stuff and where our stuff's getting shared
more and like, hey, what's you

552
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.639
know, Hey, what do you
think about all this stuff? And you

553
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.280
know, they have no idea what's
going on, Like they're totally left out

554
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.559
in the dark. And to me, that's a challenging place as well,

555
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.239
if you're a coach or a player
and you're at this point, if you're

556
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.440
a you know, social media people
for the XFL or the USFL, if

557
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.840
you're selling tickets, like it just
puts everybody in this hard situation. And

558
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.639
and to me, it's it's hard
now to whether it's this year or next

559
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.079
year. Okay, well, now
we're serious about this, Like, I

560
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.280
know, we kind of strung you
out for a little bit, but now

561
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.440
you know the alcoholic father. Now
I'm ready to come to your game's ability.

562
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.039
Like now I'm going to be here. Yeah. And if they if

563
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:06.000
they, if they communicate with I
can't imagine how the union feels right now.

564
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.639
Well I want to get to that. Yeah. So wait wait,

565
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.039
I mean, because that's the other
question about that, right is the the

566
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:14.000
UFLPA. Why didn't they post like
Evans shared, they posted some like timeline

567
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.480
of everything coming up that they need
to figure out their steps. Well,

568
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:19.599
I mean, how does that even
interact with all this? I mean,

569
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.039
there's no way to really know.
I know what they probably I mean,

570
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.239
i'd imagine they hope they could get
more communication, more clarity, and they

571
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:28.119
need to know the timing because people
got to know whether they're moving out to

572
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:37.760
Arlington or Detroit or Memphis or whatever. But honestly, if they do end

573
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.320
up playing the season, they do
communicate with all these guys and they sort

574
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.800
it out and then oh yeah,
they play it. They get similar,

575
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.039
maybe slightly worse numbers than last year, and then people have no idea the

576
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:55.639
new league is coming. Now.
Maybe maybe what they do, maybe the

577
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.599
only way you could you could make
a twenty twenty four season work is if

578
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.519
you use is say hey, literally
the entire time you say hey, twenty

579
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.960
twenty five, new league coming,
new new combination of teams. Maybe then

580
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:13.159
it's worth it, because then it's
just a three hour infomercial for next season,

581
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.039
and maybe then it's worth it.
But otherwise, I don't think the

582
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:21.159
impact on the new league is going
to be held much by having a twenty

583
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.480
twenty four season. I mean,
we've had the CFL cancel seasons and still

584
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:30.039
come back, and obviously it's different
for them because they've had committed fan bases.

585
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.280
But I think as long as you
work to connect to the local markets,

586
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.559
people will come out because once they
see that commitment. What you get

587
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:38.400
in, what you put in,
you get out right. But I will

588
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:44.039
say the CFL canceled COVID year this
year now three years later, I think

589
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:49.360
was the first both from a quality
of play standpoint and from a you know,

590
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.119
fan buy an attendant standpoint. We
just had a great cup rating,

591
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.360
so I think it took three years
to bounce back from that. So I

592
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:58.760
agree with you, but I wouldn't
so quickly say hey, let's just take

593
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.159
time off or whatever. We it
took a long time to rebuild that both

594
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:05.440
intern of Yep, it takes a
long time to build it either way.

595
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.119
Yeah, for this, I mean
it might take a decade. Are they

596
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.039
going to be that committed? Who
knows? We have a comment here,

597
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.159
Shadan as an actual equipment manager.
We've been left in the dark, and

598
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.880
I think it's going to be hard
to even feel stafts for the team if

599
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.519
no twenty twenty four season. Yeah, I mean I can't in my condolences

600
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.719
as well that like, I just
can't imagine. Uh we you know,

601
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:29.199
we see XFL people and I've seen
LinkedIn profiles change and people getting different jobs.

602
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.880
It's huge to you know, I'm
blessed here in this world where you

603
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.239
know, I work from home and
I'm able to kind of do all of

604
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.000
this stuff. You know, I
could not imagine if this was my sole

605
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.119
revenue, if I was trying to
work for one of these leagues, how

606
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.760
to kind of navigate all of this. I think it's I think you're asking

607
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.119
a lot of those people as well. I can't imagine trying to navigate getting

608
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:50.360
ready for a twenty twenty four season
if you only get two weeks notice because

609
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:54.119
the merger doesn't get approved until late
January. I mean there, it's going

610
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.760
to be a nightmare for you if
you do have a season at this point

611
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.480
as well. It's just which which
nightmare do you want to have? Make

612
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.679
sure you get live a couple questions. We're good to make sure you get

613
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.519
your questions comments in here. We'll
go to the bottom of the hour,

614
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.800
and then I know the Jets are
coming on here and we can go watch

615
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.559
the is it Tim Boyle? Now
we're really living through all this stuff.

616
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:17.000
But you can watch the Jets and
the Dolphins. I'm gonna watch two lane

617
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.440
utsa role wave. I need them
to play se me you next week and

618
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.079
as meanings to beat them, so
we had a question here talking about the

619
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.639
Vegas Vipers thing. I saw this, I don't. I don't know the

620
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.079
week I have a hard time we
live through this with some of the job

621
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.280
hirings with LinkedIn as well, it's
really hard to store us that Wikipedia and

622
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.320
LinkedIn articles for things. I don't
feel the Vipers are playing in the Vegas

623
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.679
Ballpark. I think they would have
done that before. I don't see the

624
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.480
Vipers sticking around in any iteration along
with the Dragons. I don't even think

625
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.960
they're playing in twenty twenty four.
I think they'll If they do, they'll

626
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.039
put them in Arlington and then today
I don't think that they're gone. They're

627
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:59.079
gone. It's hard, so,
you know, to go through the different

628
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.400
current macamations. You know, I
had heard, Okay, we're gonna have

629
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:06.960
the eight teams and you know,
do the Arlington and then play whatever here.

630
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.639
But if we need to do more
teams and we're like, then we

631
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:12.760
need to hub up. I guess
what's the recent I don't want to get

632
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.360
too deep down in the different number
of variations, but if we expand from

633
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:21.880
eight, it feels very difficult to
replicate the XTFL twenty twenty three model of

634
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.840
Arlington and then flying out right.
It feels like we're gonna need to hub

635
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:29.360
people if we got more than that. Dallas is a pretty Arlington's a pretty

636
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:30.559
big city. I don't feel like
you'd have any issue. Fine. I

637
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.440
mean, I've said, you've seen
my DMS before about all the quality football

638
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.119
facilities in North Texas. If you're
gonna put a hub anywhere for ten twelve

639
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.960
football teams, you're gonna pick North
Texas because they will have the facilities for

640
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.119
however many teams you need. They
will have the hotels for how many teams

641
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:50.559
you need. They'll have the size
of airport needed to get you anywhere you

642
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:55.159
need in the country. The real
question is is it going to be too

643
00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.039
difficult to plan and like do the
logistics for all all that having them all

644
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.400
from that one place. I tend
to feel like the answer is no.

645
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:09.559
I feel like you could still do
it with ten teams and maybe eight of

646
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:14.519
them are teams still based in real
markets and the other two or just the

647
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:22.079
permanent road teams or whatever. But
it definitely will get more complicated and you

648
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.559
will have the nightmare trying to figure
out how are we moving the UFLPA Union

649
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:30.280
stuff from that one district of the
country to the Texas district whatever. There

650
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.199
will be problems, obviously, but
there will be problems no matter what.

651
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.320
So I think you have to have
that reduced cost of being in the hub

652
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.960
in one hub and flying out or
doing I mean, I guess you could

653
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.239
do multiple hubs, but then you
don't get some of the benefits you get

654
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:52.639
from having the same consistent quality of
facilities and care and travel. Biggest what

655
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.280
would you say the biggest hurdle is
right now? I mean obviously government approval,

656
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.840
but in terms of figuring out logistically
here and getting the teams ready to

657
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.960
go, getting the team's marketed,
getting I mean, what would be if

658
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.559
the government if we wake up on
Monday and it's like, Okay, this

659
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:08.559
is all approved and we're doing whatever. What's the next biggest hurdle step movie

660
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:12.400
for? Are we assuming a season
is happening with the Merge League in twenty

661
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:14.519
twenty four, Yeah, I think
you have it. I think you can't.

662
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.239
I don't think either way. I
don't think you can play separately or

663
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.840
if you have to play together.
So I think it's approved in the seasons

664
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.679
happening twenty twenty four. First off, when when in twenty twenty four?

665
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.119
Right? Second off, whose season
tickets are you canceling? Who's are you

666
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.039
keeping? You need to inform those
season ticket holders that, hey, your

667
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:37.519
season is going to be not whatever
you thought it was. You might have

668
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:42.079
more or less home games than you
would expect, probably more because they're probably

669
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.280
gonna have a couple teams with no
real market, and those teams will just

670
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.400
if in my opinion, it would
be more sustainable just to have a couple

671
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.239
extra teams that are always playing away
because they're flying. Everyone's flying anyway,

672
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.599
so you might as well have a
couple extra teams just to increase your game

673
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:04.119
inventory if nothing else. And then
so you're gonna have you're gonna have that

674
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.360
problem figuring out who's staying, who's
going who, Who were keeping in our

675
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.760
customer base, who's who we're kicking
out. You're gonna have the problem of

676
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.880
vendor contracts. Who are you cutting
off? Who are you keeping. You're

677
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:15.480
gonna have the problem of who are
we keeping full time on coaching staffs.

678
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.119
Who we're gonna have to tell that, hey, we have to let you

679
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.679
go if you don't want to be
full if you want to be full time,

680
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.199
because that's just not gonna happen.
You're gonna have the issue of roster

681
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:29.000
size. It's heck, obviously,
I mean, the football is from the

682
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:30.800
business perspective, is the least important
thing. But at the same time,

683
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:34.480
you do have to decide how are
you gonna play this football game in this

684
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.280
merged league. At the end of
the day, you're gonna have to pick

685
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:39.920
one rule set, and I will
say, seeing Rus Brandon there makes me

686
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:43.880
think it will probably be the XFL's
rule set, but maybe not. Who

687
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.400
knows. Uh, Well, I
hate this this publicly. I hate the

688
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:52.440
USFL kickoff. I mean, I
really, I'm I'm I'm biased towards the

689
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.119
x rules set. But I think
I have good reason to be biased towards

690
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.639
the XFL rules says. I'll say, in terms of, you know,

691
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:06.000
keeping more teams and potentially doing that, right, why don't we hub?

692
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:07.840
Why don't we Okay, let's move
the breakers, Let's hug them with the

693
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:13.039
you know, uh, the Orlando
team, right, let's move the vipers

694
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:17.519
down, Like, can you keep
more teams? But is it we're needing

695
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:22.400
to shed these costs? We know
we're more concerned if we're the xml USL,

696
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.039
we're more concerned with keeping costs down
than we are in terms of keeping

697
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:32.639
teams alive. Yeah, I mean
there they all they care about is can

698
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:37.559
they find a way to be even
less expensive than they already are and find

699
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.719
a way to actually make money,
because otherwise they wouldn't be merging right now,

700
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.320
because it's not like it's not like
one league is clearly out doing the

701
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.760
other in terms of any sort of
financial advantage outside of the ones that the

702
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:53.519
USFL invents on paper by doing Ahaha, you know, totally, the money

703
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:58.079
we're making by selling ads on this
USFL game is just so much more than

704
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:00.480
the amount of money that we'd be
selling for Fox any other content. Totally

705
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.159
right. To me, it always
felt like we're selling these ads, but

706
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.119
we're not counting the costs of the
league. That to me is always how

707
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.840
I've read more of that as we're
moving the books where that like the mark

708
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:15.280
Cast is profitable because all the equipment
is owned and operated by best made videos,

709
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.159
like the mark Cast in and of
itself is not a profitable like I

710
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.679
think there's to me that feels a
very little bit. But also there's the

711
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.199
same for their income. The income
would be coming in at least partially to

712
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:28.840
Fox anyway. In fact, a
significant their primary source of income would be

713
00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.280
coming to Fox regardless, just maybe
a bit less. So it's all sorts

714
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.760
of shotting bookkeeping that's making it allow
them to say that they're making a profit.

715
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.559
It's not reality, it's a fiction. It's the same way that it

716
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:45.559
was a four percent increase in viewership
from season what was in two the USFL

717
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.360
where we took the entire and the
average of the entire viewership of season one

718
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.519
and based it on the season two
kickoff, which was down. Yeah,

719
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.760
you know, and the XFL does
it too. I mean, I see

720
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.719
their digital numbers they posted kind of
all this stuff. But at least that

721
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:04.639
is it's puffs, it's of hot
air, right, but at least it's

722
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:10.559
real, tangible hot air instead of
complete fiction. It's it's the difference between

723
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:22.239
making something out of nothing and then
turning nothing into a lie. So it's

724
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:27.599
just two different kinds of manipulation.
Really. If so, we we represent

725
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:30.320
the hard you know, the hardcore
and the hardcore in here. We got

726
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:34.800
all these people watching Black Friday kind
of all this different stuff. Casual audience

727
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:36.920
how are they going to react to
this? How are they? You know,

728
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.159
there there's a non zero number of
Seattle s Dragon fans that do not

729
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.760
know any of this is going on
at all. Right, the Vegas viper

730
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.519
stands, I mean, yeah,
they're gonna kind of know. Like,

731
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:47.519
how is the public gonna gonna respond
to? Yeah, four, six,

732
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.880
eight teams are going the way here
like famos than those that That might be

733
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.920
a good thumbnail for that episode that
we know the famous like we're it's cut

734
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:02.079
the universe in half. If they
kept like if they kept five of the

735
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:09.559
XFL markets and then three of the
USFL markets plus two permanent road teams.

736
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:15.239
However you want to arrange those permanent
road teams, uh, I think you

737
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:21.800
would keep enough of the primary stadium
audience to be fine. And I don't

738
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.519
think the TV audience is all that
connected to the stadium audience. I think

739
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:30.639
the TV audience just wants to watch
football on a Saturday that has some intrigue.

740
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.639
And as long as you prove that
you're still around and you market hard,

741
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.960
they'll you'll keep them. But what
I'm worried about is I don't think

742
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.199
that's gonna happen. I think They're
gonna do a terrible job of promoting this

743
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.599
new league, and people are gonna
they're not even gonna realize that football is

744
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:53.239
coming on on Saturday, and they're
not gonna watch it because they gonna have

745
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:57.960
no idea it's there. I saw
comment earlier. They were talking, I

746
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:04.199
guess Fox is running the USFL ads
during during NFL games or whatever. I

747
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.519
to me, you know, and
we joke about the real football and all

748
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.840
that stuff in the Super Bowl that
that is one percent of the marketing that

749
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:14.159
needs to be done on this I
mean running the ten second of TV ad

750
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.079
bumper. Like I said back in
twenty twenty, you know, I was

751
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:22.199
sponsoring boosts at event shows for we
were doing you know, we do weddings

752
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.519
and corporate events and kind of stuff. Like we had XFL staff members that

753
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.880
are running you know, they were
any any sort of thing that you could

754
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.159
be at promoting with either a booth
or a table. They were outside the

755
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:36.039
games. They were doing that.
Like it's so much more I think than

756
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:37.880
just flipping the switch and running an
AD, and that to me has never

757
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.760
resonated. I know certain fan bases, I know the Brahmas did a good

758
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.039
job, right locally, right,
I know, Orlando and Corey, they

759
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:50.599
did a good job locally. You
obviously Seattle like there was certain teams that

760
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:52.679
rose above it, but overall as
a league, it felt like none of

761
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:57.079
that, none of those lessons were
taken from twenty twenty, where Vince was

762
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:00.880
a wrestling promoter and got that on
the ground needed to be done. It

763
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.159
never felt like they always aview it
more as a TV product. Some of

764
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.519
the markets did a really good job
with the people who were hired, but

765
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.440
all of them were hired late.
So all the people on the ground who

766
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.519
were there when they were there,
did what they could. I really don't

767
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:19.320
doubt that. My beef is with
the people running the leagues up top,

768
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.679
way up top, who just don't
have the vision to realize you can't just

769
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.679
show up a couple months before no
matter what you do, and expect people

770
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.079
to care. I mean, in
the twenty twenty XFLC, I mean we

771
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.800
had we had events like in like
the summer before the season saying like hey

772
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:42.000
you we this is coming. We
have they rolled out bob' stoops and they're

773
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:47.719
like, this is coming Football twenty
twenty, national television. This is serious

774
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.920
and all over lux in town.
He's going on tours, he's on press

775
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:58.679
radio tours, he's at super Bowl
Radio, he's everywhere. The people are

776
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.199
everywhere. They're there early the they're
often they were, they're responsive, they're

777
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:07.840
making content, they're appeering on podcasts, read they're appearing on podcasts, they're

778
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:14.599
promoting what they're building from the ground
up. That's not happening, and it's

779
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.679
not because the people don't want to
do those things who are at the at

780
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:22.239
the floor. The people on the
floor aren't being given those opportunities because the

781
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.320
people up top are only caring about
how can we make this as cheap as

782
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:31.000
possible. Well, even like they
would they would do the Facebook announcements like

783
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.559
Okay, here's going to be the
new head coach or here's going to be

784
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.639
whatever. Like I remember watching and
like I was very casual at that point,

785
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:39.920
like I don't even know who this
guy is, but it seems to

786
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.360
be a big deal. You know, let me go Google now and figure

787
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.679
out. And I mean they did
these for all the markets. I remember

788
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:47.880
they were doing those Facebook lives and
everything. You know, it's to me

789
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:52.639
like, uh, you know,
we did our CFL show and I was

790
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.639
like telling Dorothy about this because obviously
it was exciting. You know, it's

791
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.519
a ton of work to go into
even that, right, we need the

792
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.159
thing and we're posting and we're telling
every one they were sharing they would do

793
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.079
the thing, Like I said,
if we just went to show that up

794
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.199
and flipped on the switch and went
live the morning of the Gray Cup,

795
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.599
Like you don't get and that's like
you said, they've never gotten that you

796
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:10.800
can't just show up and put the
game on and say here you go,

797
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.400
like a channel channel surf your life. What the twenty twenty league had Winston

798
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:20.679
Moss and Heather Brooks carrots getting announced
at the same time in the parking lot

799
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.480
of the stadium with the with the
like police cars driving by. But the

800
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.079
media came out because they put in
the commitment to say hey, we're coming,

801
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.280
and they were like, hey,
this is interesting and there's clear amount

802
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.320
of commitment behind this, whereas now
it's just like, uh, you know,

803
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:43.480
we'll do a we'll do a zoom
call, you know, we'll do

804
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.840
a press release. You know,
maybe the coach will show up like a

805
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:50.599
couple of months before the season,
but like we're only post about it like

806
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.920
three days before the event's actually happening. Maybe we'll have a season ticket holder

807
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:57.599
event, but we're only going to
give you twelve hours of public notice for

808
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.159
anyone who doesn't already have a season
ticket to want to come and visit.

809
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.159
It's just like, what's the point, Like, what's the point of hiding

810
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.599
all of this. You're not helping
anybody, You're only It's like the rake

811
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:13.039
meme where the guy steps on a
rake and it hits him in the face.

812
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:15.840
That's kind of what happened to the
USFL, and then the XFL is

813
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.840
the one where they like they're riding
the rake and it flips in mid air

814
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.920
and then they step on say land
and hits them in the face. It's

815
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.880
the same outcome, just different ways, and it's just so disturbing that none

816
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:30.639
of them get it yet, especially
on the XFL side, when you have

817
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:37.320
an owner who has done all these
things I'm talking about overseas and built something

818
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.320
there with some of the soccer teams
they own, and they just don't understand

819
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:45.440
that a lot of those principles apply
whenever you're not working with major league sports

820
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:49.360
fans in the US, because they
aren't just going to come. You have

821
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:54.159
to build it. I remember,
this feels like a fever dream ago,

822
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:59.039
applying to Arlington with Danny and Russ
and all that. Then they had the

823
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.360
Arlington Hub and I remember, you
know, it was funny because everyone wanted

824
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.760
to talk to Danny and the Rock
and then they left and it was like

825
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:07.880
me and one local person talking to
Rush branded and I'm like, this is

826
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.079
sweet. Like I thought, I
was super excited right now. And I

827
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.199
know, like Pat got to talk
with the rest. I think it was

828
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.719
in the showcase here a few months
ago. But talking back then, and

829
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:19.920
uh, you know, what are
you gonna do? We've see in the

830
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.440
USL. Yeah, the quote,
you know we're going to be at first

831
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:23.960
one in, last one out,
We're gonna do all this stuff. And

832
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.320
it never And I don't know if
that was lip service or if they thought

833
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.079
that this was an honest effort going
in, but uh, it never.

834
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:36.840
I never saw that the dream that
was promised. They think they can get

835
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.199
away with marketing the XFL like marketing
Black at them. Oh you know,

836
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:44.039
we'll just go on a tour a
little bit before the move the show comes

837
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.519
out. You know, we'll have
the Rock roll up. Everyone will go

838
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:52.880
crazy for him and then you know
he'll hold some babies. But you know,

839
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.159
it just doesn't work like that.
This isn't this isn't big ticket stuff.

840
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.320
This is the grassroots. This is
the This is the people on the

841
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.199
ground who are just love football or
people who just want to watch football on

842
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.920
Saturday and chill, and you have
to give them some motivation. You have

843
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.800
to give them something to get attached
to. They're not going to get attached

844
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.280
to just a name or a brand. That's just not going to happen.

845
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:22.880
It's it's all so regrettable. So
before we before we move on anything else,

846
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:28.719
I just want to do you want
to talk about the hilarity over people

847
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:35.960
continually trying to predict everything that's going
to happen and just continually not knowing anything

848
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.360
at all and looking very silly.
Sure, okay, can we talk like

849
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.519
what is going on when we're having
people who are not involved in reporting on

850
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:47.639
the x like we'll talk about these
people first not reporting on the XFL at

851
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:52.000
all for like at all, or
the USFL at all or that Howard guy

852
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.000
Howard Howard, Yeah, but he
Howard. Yes. But also there was

853
00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:00.840
like Dennis Dodd, who reports on
college football, was involved like, there's

854
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:02.920
so many people trying to get in
on this, and I just don't understand

855
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:08.159
why would you want to get in
on this when you have you seen how

856
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.719
much disinterest there is in this right
now? Why are you trying to get

857
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:16.280
involved in our land? Get away
to me when it speaks to more And

858
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:21.760
I uh, back when we spoke
had conversations with Mark about this, like

859
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:29.679
when when we I'm a proponent of
any of our media and if whoever want,

860
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:32.199
you know, Brandon wants support stuff
and Stefan wants like I'm I'm a

861
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:36.559
proponent of any of the people that
put in the time and effort to do

862
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:40.000
this. And what kills me is
when it's anyone that's got at ESPN and

863
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:45.079
their handle or this is some reporter
that whatever, like oh oh, when

864
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:49.760
they talked about us, like now, let's Mike Mitchell's been reporting this for

865
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.639
six months, We've done this for
whatever it was when all the teams were

866
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:54.119
going to come out and Mike had
been talking in the cities and oh my

867
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:59.800
god, someone else like it's okay
to to you know, perpetuate all that.

868
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:01.440
So I don't like that just because
it's more of that. And I

869
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:06.199
just don't like that it's because of
someone that's not previously in our circle talking

870
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:09.239
about it that somehow makes it more
connected or locked in than anything else.

871
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:14.559
That's my problem with that. It's
almost like they just want to cover like

872
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.760
the whole this league is going to
go away things so that they can be

873
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:20.920
the guy that broke the story about
the death of spring football again, and

874
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.760
then they get they get clicks for
that, like the what the Sports Illustrated

875
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.280
writer who wrote about the death of
the AAF a couple of years ago,

876
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:31.119
he got huge publicity for that.
That's kind of what it feels like.

877
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:35.400
And then on top of that,
the people who are involved in the weeds

878
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:39.280
in the XFL and the USFL,
who are they getting these reports from?

879
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.079
That? Are like hey, And
even the people like Neil, Like Neil

880
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.159
Stratton, I'm like, oh,
he's getting the number of teams. I

881
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:46.679
know it's going to happen in like
two weeks and we might get an announced.

882
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:49.679
So I'm like, did you who
were you? Are you getting that

883
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:54.519
from your player personnel friends, because
there's no way that you that this is

884
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:59.840
that you actually talk to someone in
ownership who told you the regulators are going

885
00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:02.880
to have it ready for us in
two weeks. Like it was kind of

886
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.280
like the Howard thing. It was
kind of like he was hearing in retrospect,

887
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.000
like we had heard like Neil had
put out whatever, and then it

888
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.840
had turned into something else and turned
into something else, and then it was

889
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:15.719
like a week later. Howard's like, hey, did you hear it was

890
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:19.000
gonna be something that's like, buddy, like that was a month ago,

891
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.320
like you gotta you got Like that
to me was always funny about I'm like,

892
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.639
they're here and I will say even
this and this was funny. Uh,

893
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.280
we'll wrap this out here pretty soon
if we want to know. You

894
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.039
got give we got a good viewership
right now. It's fun it was.

895
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:35.480
It was so funny to me.
We were at the we were after our

896
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:37.719
live show. We were back at
the BC Lions Dad and Naylor was there.

897
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.199
We hadn't got to talk a lot
with Naylor during the week as he

898
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:44.679
was doing hits with Farhad and all
the TSN stuff. And we're sitting there

899
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:46.880
having a beer and he's like,
hey, do you want to know what

900
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:52.199
I heard about the merger? And
I'm like tell me, like I'm ready

901
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:53.400
to hear with him and it was
the same kind of thing, like it

902
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:57.119
was whatever they had come out through
and no dist I mean, I know,

903
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.679
Dave's talking to right people and all
like know this respect, but I'm

904
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.039
like, yeah, he said,
well I heard like the you know,

905
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:06.519
the the exfl is reaching out to
the usfl over you know. I was

906
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:08.400
like, Okay, it just was
interesting. But there's all these people hearing

907
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:12.559
it. It's like you're playing telephone
and you're hearing it person three or four.

908
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.760
They're all talking to the same player
personnel, coach people and the players

909
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.519
and whatever. I'm just like,
none of those people have any idea what's

910
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:24.800
going on. And then on top
of that, they're getting like all these

911
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.639
numbers, all these dates, and
I'm like, why are we doing this

912
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:31.639
because there's no way you actually know
that it is a sleep Anyway, I

913
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:36.000
have another hour before this game kicks
off, so I have nowhere to be.

914
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.400
So we'll see what people want to
do here, people want to hang

915
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.840
out for a minute, and then
we'll get we'll get going here. I

916
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:44.800
just and I love Gregory. Gregory
is a longtime listener comment on this.

917
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.480
While you guys really say about the
merger, the executives at Fox from the

918
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.960
obligated to call you up and tell
you what's going on. This will happen

919
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.199
when it happens. Gregory told,
like, you are absolutely entitled to your

920
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:58.760
opinion. The funny thing is I
never, like, all I do is

921
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.760
come on here and share my opinion
and ask other people's opinions. I never

922
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:04.280
tell, but I get a lot
of like, well, you, like

923
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:07.400
you are wrong with this or you
And this isn't just a shot just at

924
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.800
Gregory. I get it's like,
that's fine you if you're like that's awesome,

925
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:14.360
if you're cool with it, if
you're ready to go on. I

926
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:15.760
just know I get a lot of
d ms from, like I said,

927
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:21.559
from players, from staff, from
other fans. So it's not and you

928
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.840
were not alone in this thinking to
that thing, and that everyone has the

929
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:28.039
varied opinions here and everyone's able to
kind of have different ways they feel about

930
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:30.559
this. So I respect Gregory if
he's cool, you know, yeah,

931
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.559
go for it. Okay, Okay, here's my thing, right, This

932
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.360
is not the NFL, this is
not Major League Baseball, this is not

933
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.719
the SEC, this is not the
Big Ten, this is not even the

934
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:46.440
CFL. There is no established fan
base. Every every single league at the

935
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:52.119
start, the fans are gonna be
entitled to demand whatever they want to make

936
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:57.840
the league work, because otherwise they
just won't show up. Like do you

937
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.559
think if the NFL didn't appeal to
the fans they had that they that the

938
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:05.440
people who were willing to show up
early, that they would still be here

939
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:09.360
right now. No, those teams
died out. That's why the NFL and

940
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:15.400
the NBA and all these teams had
teams going in and out within five to

941
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:20.920
ten years in the first two decades
of their existence because they didn't understand how

942
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.760
to build up fans or because of
some other economic reason. Like we should

943
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:31.159
be entitled, We absolutely should be
entitled as fans to demand that these leagues

944
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:37.400
do better because otherwise they won't last. And I don't care that I shouldn't

945
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.559
take for that, that I shouldn't
take for granted that Spring football is here.

946
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.480
I should demand these leagues do whatever
it takes to last and be successful,

947
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:49.840
because otherwise I know that what's going
to happen in these players is they're

948
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.199
just gonna get hurt, and the
fans are gonna get hurt, and we're

949
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.320
gonna have to start all over all
over again with some other ownership group who

950
01:00:55.320 --> 01:01:00.760
doesn't get it either, most likely. So yeah, we're all going to

951
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:07.039
be demanding, and you know what
we should be. I appreciate that because

952
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:12.239
I don't know it's I agree with
you that it's it's this. It's a

953
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.920
different it's a different world, it's
a different landscape. And it's never resonated

954
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:19.599
with me that they you know,
I think that they get it in the

955
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.760
collective of like, okay, we're
I don't think they get how niche a

956
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:24.639
lot of this stuff is. And
now I think surprise alert when I think

957
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:28.280
when they turned on, like their
social media is back a couple of years

958
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:30.280
ago, and like, oh my
god, what are these cms? What

959
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:32.480
are these comments or one of these
whatever? I mean, I think that

960
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:37.400
there's a lot of I don't know. To me, I never got it

961
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:40.280
like you you do, Black Adam, you know DC, like you know

962
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:45.039
that fan base like this is very
a very similar mindset of that in terms

963
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.119
of like you have a super group
of hardcore fans wanting to make this work

964
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:52.599
and going to be upset when certain
things happened, and this time around the

965
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.880
problem is that they, the hardcore
fans, are not enough to keep this

966
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:00.960
around, Whereas you could probably keep
DC around on their hardcore fans alone and

967
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.480
at least have something, whereas this
it's just not gonna be enough to have

968
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:06.599
hardcore fans because it's too early.
You need to get the casuals in the

969
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:08.519
door. You need to get people
to become hardcore, and you need to

970
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:12.760
get the people who aren't in the
door at all to become casuals. Keep

971
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.679
building and building. It's and they
just don't care. They think that this

972
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:22.039
is American sports and we can just
pretend like we've been around for fifty years

973
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:29.199
and we aren't established league. And
you know, you know this league got

974
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:32.400
over one and a half million views
in twenty twenty three years ago when before

975
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:36.679
pandemic, and so we can just
roll out the rock and everything will be

976
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:39.280
fine. You know, come on, let's be real. Oh, I

977
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:45.000
absolutely it was. You know,
XFL was whatever, XFL plus the rock

978
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:50.400
equals this. Well, you know
this exponential growth on that I just I

979
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.000
showed this year. I just like
this comment that I call the roomor real

980
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.360
guys haven't had reports for a few
weeks, yeah, because they were like

981
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:59.440
even Neil and his newsletters, Like
I think news is coming at some point,

982
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:00.400
like I'm like, yeah, he
really is, Like I'm getting off

983
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:06.440
this train right now, and he's
like actually officially partnered with the league.

984
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.000
I know, but I think he
was even it was crazy because it can

985
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:12.840
change. And that's what kills me
too, is like get we get a

986
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.800
lot of this online of like reporting
and something, and then when something else

987
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.480
happens, like well that that was
incorrect, like it could have been correct

988
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:22.800
along the way, and then that
changed. Like that also happens. Right.

989
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.440
It's the same thing with like players
going to get signed with whoever,

990
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:30.400
and then you get signed with someone
else like Deshaun Watson was probably talking to

991
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:32.039
was in a Lancer or whatever,
and then the Browns came in, Like

992
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:35.960
that can all be accurate with it, you know, with the final outcome

993
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.320
not being what was initially reported,
although I think in this case it's more

994
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:43.719
what people believed was going to happen
than ever what was actually going to happen,

995
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.880
because I don't think anybody who was
talking to these roommel guys actually knew

996
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.000
what was going to happen. They
just made they made something up off of

997
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:55.719
one thing they heard once because there's
just no way you legitimately know what's going

998
01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:00.079
on with the regulators, because if
you are someone actually talking to the regulators,

999
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.880
you know that if you leak out
any information of the public, it's

1000
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:08.079
only going to make the process take
longer. Yeah. No, I know.

1001
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.039
So in terms of moving forward here
and I have to have this be

1002
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:14.360
too much but people are viewing here
not to have this be too much of

1003
01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:19.599
a complaint session. But moving forward, these leagues come together. Are you

1004
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:24.239
concerned about the economy of these fan
bases or do you think that this is

1005
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:26.920
a little world we live in and
that they'll be able to move past this

1006
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.800
and it doesn't matter. I think
there will be fights online. I think

1007
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.320
there will be fights. I mean, I don't think they'll be I think

1008
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:39.679
the number of people who actually are
involved in the war are not the people

1009
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.280
going to the stadiums. Yeah,
I think it'll mostly be online. There

1010
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:47.679
might be a tailgate parking lot fight
here. Yeah, you know Bill's style,

1011
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.639
you know, I'm sure there'll be
a few, but I don't think

1012
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:57.159
there'll be anything spilling over in that
respect. I think there will be like

1013
01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.480
a very small percentage of people who
are xfl or I even if they keep

1014
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:03.440
the name or USFL or die,
even if they keep that name, who

1015
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.880
are just gonna be anti merger completely
and drop off. I think that number

1016
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:13.639
is not even more than four digits, so and I think everyone else is

1017
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:19.280
gonna everyone else who isn't Somebody who
lost a team will stick around and watch,

1018
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:24.639
and people who wanted to go to
games will go to games. And

1019
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:30.480
the main pre problem will be the
casuals who don't actually have attachments to any

1020
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:33.519
league other than oh, this is
the league that has fans in the door,

1021
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:41.199
and this is the one that doesn't. Outside of that, they they're

1022
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:44.320
they're they're gonna be like, uh, I don't even know what this is?

1023
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:48.199
Should I watch this? I had
no idea who these teams are.

1024
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.559
Because now you've brought in teams from
another league, it's just gonna be weird.

1025
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.760
And they'll be like, oh,
what happened to the Houston Roughnecks because

1026
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.480
we want to have the Gamblers now
or whatever you're it's it's gonna be confusing

1027
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:03.639
and weird, and it's gonna be
hard to maintain those casuals. And that's

1028
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:09.760
what I'm most worried about. Uh
yeah, I to me, the dream

1029
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:15.079
scenario of the eighteen conference against each
other is tremendously exciting, you know,

1030
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:17.039
with it with the Birmingham Stallions,
and that I'm serious about all that because

1031
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:19.360
I took a dream though, right
well, I know, I know,

1032
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:26.639
And so what's your realistically, how
are you feeling right now about where we're

1033
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:30.639
gonna land out? Okay, I'm
gonna sort us into two categories. I'm

1034
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:32.000
gonna sort us where I want to
end up and where we're going to end

1035
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:36.000
up. Where I want to end
up. They market, whether they have

1036
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:41.360
two seasons or not, They market
the Merge League coming. They say,

1037
01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:45.639
Hey, this is a this is
a build up to something bigger. This

1038
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:50.119
is the start of something huge,
a start of something special. And build

1039
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:56.159
and push and market and get attached
to whoever sticking around, and do your

1040
01:06:56.199 --> 01:07:00.960
best to console whoever you're leaving and
try to to make them say, hey,

1041
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:03.079
at least we're still gonna have football
on TV if you would like to

1042
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:06.920
enjoy that, And we will do
whatever we can to see about coming back

1043
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:11.760
sometime in the future. We won't
entirely go away. We might have some

1044
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:15.920
tryouts in your market so you can
see some of our players or whatever.

1045
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:21.239
What I think is actually going to
happen, regardless of when this merger gets

1046
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:26.320
approved, seasons happening or not.
In twenty twenty four, what I expect

1047
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:29.960
is going to happen is they're going
to absolutely fall on their flat in their

1048
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.079
face marketing these leagues. I marketing
this merge league and leagues are in the

1049
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.800
leagues. If they're separate for twenty
twenty four, they're gonna keep failing.

1050
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:44.280
They'll retain some level of audience,
but they're not gonna have any real attachment

1051
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:47.199
outside of who was already there.
Some people will drop off because they're gonna

1052
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:50.599
realize that it's a lame duck season, and then in twenty twenty five they're

1053
01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:54.440
gonna be like, I don't even
this doesn't feel feels completely foreign to me.

1054
01:07:56.039 --> 01:08:00.199
They're they're we're gonna have some level
of audience twenty twenty five. You

1055
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:03.840
know some people watch, you know'll
be maybe you know, it might be

1056
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:08.039
a little bit better than it wasn't
twenty twenty four, just because you're merging

1057
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:13.880
some demographics together. If you can
pull some teams together and have fans like

1058
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:20.479
Memphis or Birmingham or Detroit, and
it's just going to be more of the

1059
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:26.800
same struggles unless they've they've a switch
flips in their brain. It says,

1060
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.119
hey, we need to actually truly
attach ourselves these local fans. Otherwise it'll

1061
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.760
be a slow, slow burn until
they run out of gas and they just

1062
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:38.680
give up. It's hard. And
again I don't want to be too negative.

1063
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:41.319
And here, you know, we've
done this a really long time.

1064
01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:45.000
I think this is technically episode one
seventy today of this. So it's been

1065
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.560
going I will say, you know, save for the CFL here the last

1066
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:51.560
couple of weeks really kind of giving
life to this channel. Uh it's hard.

1067
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:55.960
It's hard, like and we'll see
and whatever ends up going with this.

1068
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.600
But you know, this, this
two hour, two and a half

1069
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:01.279
hour weekly Friday show, you know, we kind of kind of got to

1070
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:03.319
wait out and see if you know, nothing comes next week. Like,

1071
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.800
it's hard, it's it's hard to
maintain interest in this when, like you

1072
01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:12.039
said, it feels like this is
a side project for a lot of the

1073
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:15.319
people involved. They're you know,
they're working on whatever. And like I

1074
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:16.279
think at this point, like we
kind of got it, you know,

1075
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.760
like I'm doing the CFL, we
got work on other stuff. I think

1076
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:23.760
it's hard to have, uh,
to feel ownership of this or pride in

1077
01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:26.880
this in terms of the leagues when
it doesn't feel like even the people involved

1078
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:31.760
in that have that have a similar
way in that. Yeah, I think

1079
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:36.000
this is the last shot for this
group of people to make spring football work.

1080
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:40.880
And if they don't put their foot
down and try to build something serious

1081
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:44.760
and try to market locally and try
to build a serious attachment, I think

1082
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:48.039
we're starting over with a new ownership
sometime next decade and hopefully they figure it

1083
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:51.720
out. Uh. Yeah, let's
see here. I like this Gothan has

1084
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:55.520
Let's hear some predictions, and when
we hear something about the merger, I've

1085
01:09:55.600 --> 01:10:00.319
heard, I've heard next week,
I've heard mid December, I've or what

1086
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.439
ever. I mean to me,
it's kind of it's a waiting game at

1087
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:04.680
this point. That's why I want
to do at least stop down today and

1088
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:09.000
do this. See we talked off
the top where I've tried to avoid this

1089
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.199
week to week of like, okay, what's what's the rumor combination this week?

1090
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:14.520
But it's been long enough that I
think it's fine to get people on

1091
01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:16.239
here today and no one else says
anything, Yo, do it? Do

1092
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:21.439
it Black Friday, But do you
think we're gonna be here another I'm not

1093
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:29.640
a government expert, but you know
what, I really don't understand how it

1094
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:33.720
could still be happening longer than the
end of January. I really, I

1095
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:38.399
mean, I'm not saying I can
say for sure it will still still be

1096
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:41.199
waiting or not, because I don't
know how the government works, right,

1097
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:47.359
I'm not a political science expert or
whatever, but I really don't understand what

1098
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:51.479
could possibly take them so long that
it would take them past January. Like,

1099
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:54.680
at the end of the day,
you need to come to some sort

1100
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:59.039
of agreement otherwise it just isn't gonna
happen, like you can only stall for

1101
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:02.760
so long. Well, to me, it feels like and I'm like stupid

1102
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:05.760
metaphors, but it's like you got
two kids that don't want to clean their

1103
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:08.880
room and they're like, well,
we don't want to do like they don't

1104
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:11.960
the XFL and the USL like they
don't want to have X number of teams,

1105
01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:15.560
right, and it's a government concerned
with it. Like you know,

1106
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:18.000
I how how hard do you dig
your heels in here? How hard do

1107
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.000
you are are you fighting with this? Because because It's like they are fighting

1108
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:25.359
to shed dead wade at this point. Right they're the XFL and the Isabel

1109
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:28.079
are not there. It'd be different
if they were the ones fighting for more

1110
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:31.039
teams or fighting for but it feels
like it's very much the opposite. Yeah,

1111
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:38.079
so I feel like predicting how many
teams? That's funny, Philip uh,

1112
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:45.319
predicting how many teams? Predicting when
I think all that is is it

1113
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:48.479
just feels pointless. At this point, I feel like I just want it

1114
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:55.319
to be over, you know whatever, make Here's just just I want them

1115
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:59.560
to make me believe again. I
want to be like how I was in

1116
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:05.359
Fall twenty eighteen February twenty nineteen,
where I was seeing Sam and them make

1117
01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:11.039
content about the rules, and I
was seeing all over Luck doing interviews and

1118
01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:15.920
I really believe in something and I
held on to that believe too long for

1119
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:18.520
this iteration, and now I've completely
lost it. And they need to get

1120
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:25.720
us back because I don't know how
any of anybody who is contemplating this seriously

1121
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:30.600
and not just based on optimism can
have hope right now, make us give

1122
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:35.520
us a reason. I like here, Pat has the comment, Pat will

1123
01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:39.800
let me retire from the channel when
we hit a thousand episodes, so they

1124
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.359
had anywhere episodes to go. I
will tell you it's so funny. And

1125
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:48.520
whatever happens this year in terms of
a pushback or lay whatever, I remember

1126
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:51.359
when Paul and I started, and
then it was like three weeks after he

1127
01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:54.520
started, you know, they pushed
it back, and then they pushed it

1128
01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:56.920
back again. I remember sitting there
and thinking, like, man, it's

1129
01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.600
like seventy episodes we got to get
through before the act or whatever was never

1130
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:03.640
was before we got to kick off, and uh, it's it's nuts.

1131
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:06.680
Yeah, I agree with you.
I've never felt the same as I did

1132
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:11.680
that that first season, and uh, you know, I we went to

1133
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:14.600
d C and I wept. I
wept at the kickoff. And I don't

1134
01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:17.720
know if it was the bottomless mimosas
at brunched beforehand that led to that,

1135
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.960
But I've never you know, sitting
here watching the games, watching the Battle

1136
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.840
of Texas, all that kind of
stuff. It never never felt the same

1137
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:28.880
as it did. And and not
a lot that's been done my current regime

1138
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:32.720
is helped in still any of those
feelings of joy. Yeah, I mean,

1139
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:35.760
I love the players, you know, I love the coaches, most

1140
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:39.479
of them. Some of them I
don't like. But uh, the coaches,

1141
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:42.000
I mean of the players, there's
no player. I really think there's

1142
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:46.159
some coaches that I don't like.
That's not my business. Uh, speaking

1143
01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.720
of players I don't like. Didn't
that Ben Holmes just get signed in ELF?

1144
01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:53.479
Wasn't that it isn't going to like
Van there or something? Yeah,

1145
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:56.920
he's he's, he's. You gotta
speak German, buddy, Germany, Bud.

1146
01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:00.039
Yeah, trying to get ready to
Yeah, Adam whatever adds over it?

1147
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:08.399
Yeah, in German. And uh
also, well they're in like a

1148
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:10.960
bunch of different countries, but like
it's mainly Germany, right, I don't

1149
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:15.279
think I don't like that much.
I should have invested in ELF back.

1150
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:19.760
I should never have done any of
you might have better luck with the AFL

1151
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:24.680
at this point, although even like
I don't know what broadcast deal they have,

1152
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:29.000
and they're all of their organizations seems
so sketchy. I just can't even

1153
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:32.159
try to get attached to the new
AFL right now, Tim, Yeah,

1154
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:35.840
Tim's invested that. Let's let's get
here at the top of the hour.

1155
01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:39.760
We'll get out here ten more minutes
or so. Anything else, any other

1156
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:42.039
talking points. We want to make
sure is anyone else have any comments?

1157
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.880
And then we had the Vipers one
or the question about that? Uh oh

1158
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:47.560
yeah, pat One, are you
okay with Drew Pult getting into an NFL

1159
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:53.960
contract? He can enjoy sitting on
those practice reps while he does absolutely nothing

1160
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:58.039
else other than show the playbook to
whoever else is in the quarterback room because

1161
01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:02.399
he can't contribute on the fields.
So have fun reading a playbook in Cincinnati.

1162
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:06.119
I'm sure the pay is quite good. I'll tell you. The Bengals

1163
01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:11.680
say, what the season for that? Oh yeah, forget I think Kevin

1164
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:14.439
got another duy. I think I
saw as well. I was Sexty and

1165
01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:18.640
Paul about that Maryland. Yeah,
that was interesting. Leagues will play separate

1166
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:21.520
If we have to wait until late
January, it's it's I mean, this

1167
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:25.520
is sticking point at this point.
I mean, what would be the XFL

1168
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:30.079
training camp would be what January?
Like they'd have to delay the XFL season

1169
01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:33.039
by at least two weeks, right, Like they'd have to start in like

1170
01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:39.039
late February or March one and then, which in my opinion, might be

1171
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:43.359
better anyway, because then you can
get that one season that won the first

1172
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:45.520
weekend where you have that huge audience
because there's always a bit more in week

1173
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:49.279
one and later on, and you
get that audience, and then you come

1174
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:53.960
back in like week six after March
madness, and you have an entire half

1175
01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:57.479
of the season left to build your
audience back up towards the playoffs, instead

1176
01:15:57.479 --> 01:16:00.600
of what happened this time where we
were like week three, week four.

1177
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.720
Your audience gets knee cated for like
the meat of the season, and then

1178
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:10.439
you have to come back. We
had it here. We have a question

1179
01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:13.800
from Gotamber I like, we're here. We'll do this first. I like,

1180
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:15.119
how, Chris, why are they
running this feast of football on YouTube

1181
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:17.039
right now? It's had but I
have no interest right now. It feels

1182
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:19.319
in limbo. I am glad,
like I said, glad that we at

1183
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:23.199
least beat the viewership today on this. I know that that's not a lot

1184
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:26.359
a low bar, but I'm glad
that MAXI and Ize been in here talking.

1185
01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:30.560
It's like when we I just sorry, but just proud of the CFL

1186
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:31.880
staff. But we can go in
with a ring light and the cell phone

1187
01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:35.600
and draw sixty thousand viewers, Like
maybe let's embrace some of these people that

1188
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:39.000
are building an audience here. I
think that they, you know, something

1189
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.039
could be said for that. I
saw Bill mcconnor, what's his name,

1190
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.399
the content guy, Bill retweeting the
feast of football and stuff like maybe let's

1191
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:48.720
get on board the seventies, Max
and I sitting here on a Friday morning.

1192
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:51.800
I mean, let's be the reason
they're doing stuff like this is because

1193
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:55.399
they don't have anything else they can
do. I mean, they don't have

1194
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:58.199
anybody at that content house in Arlington, right, I mean, do they

1195
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:01.920
even still have the content house in
Arlington? Read? Who knows? They

1196
01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:06.319
barely did anything with it. They
shot like a couple one minute videos and

1197
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:11.760
that's it. I don't know how
much money do you think it costs to

1198
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:15.000
rent out that house. I don't
even want to know. I don't I

1199
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:18.439
don't want to know. We have
a comment here as Zach long time listeners.

1200
01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:20.680
Zach haven't talked to Zach for a
while with the lack of you know,

1201
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:24.560
hey to be negative, but in
this rate's gonna seem my idea they

1202
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:27.520
need to cancel twenty twenty four.
I come back in twenty twenty five as

1203
01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:30.960
the Big League or goes separately,
this whole thing will probably die. He

1204
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.520
says, this is his usual,
is not okay? Max? Right?

1205
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:36.800
Sorry, Zach, I you know, and Zach because Zach's a die hard

1206
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:43.359
Saint Louis Balahawk's fan from the beginning. Yeah. I mean, like I

1207
01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:47.560
said, danged if you do,
danged if you don't. Right, But

1208
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:53.079
if they completely change the way they
operate and they actually try to make a

1209
01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:56.600
real attachment during this lame duck season
and at least say, hey, we

1210
01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:00.479
this lame duck is not going to
nothing. It's going to something bigger,

1211
01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:04.199
and you really make people believe that, and you make that through your commitment,

1212
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:12.279
not through advertising, through real on
the ground work, people's opinions will

1213
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:18.119
change. The problem is that they
don't want to do that. And so

1214
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:20.920
that's just why I think, I
don't know how you can believe in it.

1215
01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.199
We had, yeah, we had
a question here got them. Do

1216
01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:29.279
you guys think it'll be a fifty
to fifty splitter or not. I've heard

1217
01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:33.439
every such combination of all the the
whatever. I think we can I think

1218
01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:39.000
they concretely, I think we know
that they merged League with ideally like eight

1219
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:41.720
and the government does not want that. So whether it's four and four or

1220
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.159
five and three, I think that
that is at least where I am understanding

1221
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:49.119
right now. Yeah, And I
mean it doesn't really matter in terms of

1222
01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:55.000
the business side, which lead you
pull teams from X other than stadium contracts,

1223
01:18:55.319 --> 01:19:00.680
stadiums and where the other than that, it doesn't really matter. So

1224
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:03.960
I don't know, man, In
my opinion, you hang on to as

1225
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:11.439
many stadium markets as you can,
especially east of the Pacific time zone,

1226
01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:15.359
because I think it'll just be easier
to cut to put everybody consolidate in that

1227
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:19.359
one region than trying to have two
island teams out on an island, or

1228
01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:24.279
even one out on an island way
out there, even though they're not actually

1229
01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:27.800
living there. It just feels like
it'd be harder for them to connect everywhere

1230
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:32.840
else with that one market in Seattle, which is unfortunate because they completely wasted

1231
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:38.359
that place. They completely did those
people wrong. Oh, Seattle is horrendous

1232
01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:43.800
in terms of scheduling and time,
and even bigger than that, like like

1233
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:48.479
the league did Seattle wrong, just
beyond the football itself, beyond the scheduling

1234
01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:53.439
belong to, beyond the league.
They did the people Seattle wrong. They

1235
01:19:53.479 --> 01:20:00.199
completely threw that fan base away.
Expand on that because, like think about

1236
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:06.479
it, like DC and Saint Louis
had earlier events, Seattle came around later.

1237
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:14.560
First off, Second off, they
Seattle was less connected to those to

1238
01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:19.720
the league than Saint Louis was or
d C was because of how bad the

1239
01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:23.760
the commanders are. In DC,
It's almost like they didn't really have an

1240
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:30.600
NFL team for a while. But
whereas in Seattle you have all these different

1241
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:32.880
professional sports and a lot of them
are pretty good in the crack and arks

1242
01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:38.600
siding, and so they just let
that fan base drift away by not committing

1243
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:42.399
to them, whereas they committed a
little earlier to those other places. And

1244
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:44.960
it just it's just a shame.
But it's not the people in the ground

1245
01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.279
fall, it's the league execs,
right well, I think that they I

1246
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:53.640
think they thought it was a really
weird spot in twenty twenty where the Mariners

1247
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:56.680
were still kind of on the rebuild, Like you said, the kracking weren't

1248
01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:59.000
there. I think it was really
right, but then they thought back and

1249
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:01.199
Mariners are hot, and I know
it's it's different, you know, time

1250
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:04.640
of year for that, but you
know, in terms of what I'm spending

1251
01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:06.840
time and money on. And then
the Crack. I mean when you're going

1252
01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:11.159
literally at the same time, back
to back with the Crack and they're playing

1253
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:13.560
sold out a mile down the road, that's really hard. And now you

1254
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:19.920
have Geno Smith, he's good kind
of now, and and you know you

1255
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:25.000
have the soccer is hot, both
leagues, both teams for soccer are really

1256
01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:28.239
hot in Seattle. So you just
have a lot going for you in Seattle,

1257
01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:31.800
and you have this team that went
away for three years and people just

1258
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:35.319
kind of don't care as much anymore
because you didn't make that commitment to show

1259
01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:41.359
why they should care. So it's
it's just a shame. Yeah, Zach

1260
01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:44.800
has a question this where you try
to explain why would the government have any

1261
01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:46.600
say because the government needs to process, they need to regulate all this,

1262
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:50.439
so they need the XFL and the
USFL can't come in and say we want

1263
01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:55.119
to cut half of our players,
coaching staff, all those other things they

1264
01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:58.279
need to be that's uh, the
government is stepping in and saying like,

1265
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:00.920
well, we can't, we don't
want to approve this by outsizing too much.

1266
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:05.720
It's something to do with the size
of the company and also think about

1267
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:13.319
it, there aren't that many professional
football leagues in the United States. There's

1268
01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:19.560
the USFL and XFL, and then
there's the semi pro indoor leagues and whatever

1269
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:24.359
other semi pro outdoor leagues you have. None of these are very serious really

1270
01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:30.000
for being honest in terms of actual
financial pay. So they're like a they're

1271
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:33.800
like a leader, and they're they're
like a leader in their industry almost.

1272
01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:41.920
So when you're merging two people who
take up a large market share of of

1273
01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:49.359
that very small industry, which really
is just the NFL and other uh,

1274
01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:55.159
that that's a significant title shift in
the economy of that industry. And so

1275
01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:59.319
that's why the the government is getting
involved. Yeah, and you know,

1276
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:02.760
it was just a number of VIA
players and everything that it's it's it's a

1277
01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:06.720
shame to me and I there's no
better way to handle it, but I

1278
01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:10.439
could. I can think of any
worse ways that this all kind of planned

1279
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:13.760
out right now, if that makes
sense. I mean, it would be

1280
01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:19.760
worse if they The only way it
could be worse is if they just decided

1281
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:26.000
to kill one league and then they
just What would happen instead is that they

1282
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:30.199
just killed the XFL, or they
killed the USFL and Fox just bought into

1283
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:33.239
the other league and then they just
continued on with eight teams that I mean,

1284
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:40.600
theoretically they could do that without merging. So imagine if the CFL talks

1285
01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:44.079
had to happen and Fox wouldn't have
been incentivised to go to the USFL a

1286
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.119
year early, and then they do
the HUD thing and then the XFL find

1287
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:49.960
out. I mean, just imagine, like sliding doors here where we could

1288
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:55.880
have been at this point. Yeah, I mean, there's so many what

1289
01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:02.399
ifs. What if the league's actually
cared. I am taking those shots because

1290
01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:08.680
those shots are deserved, I know, and Max is Max is the diehard

1291
01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:11.279
of the diehard. I mean,
it's interesting today because we haven't talked a

1292
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:14.199
lot lately just because of all the
CFL staff to be you know, and

1293
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:16.920
they find being negative. I mean
I think that they earned it. They

1294
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:20.560
earned it. Why should I not
be negative? Why should I not be

1295
01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:26.520
after everything that's happened. Why should
I believe in you? I believe in

1296
01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.000
the people on the floor. I
believe in the social media people. I

1297
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:31.520
believe I believe in the people were
getting paid part time, getting having to

1298
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:35.560
work overtime, getting paid part time
money. I believe in the coaches mostly.

1299
01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:40.720
I believe in the players entirely.
I believe in the stadium staff.

1300
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:45.319
I believe in Honestly, I believe
in Bill McCulloch and those kinds of people

1301
01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:47.399
because they know what they're doing.
They're just not being allowed to reach their

1302
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:51.720
potential by the broader by the broader
structure of the league. I don't believe

1303
01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:55.880
in Russ Brandon. I don't believe
in Jerry Carnell. I don't believe in

1304
01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.960
the Rock. I don't believe in
Danny Garcia. Right now, I don't

1305
01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.239
believe in I definitely don't believe in
the USFL SID I thinks. I don't

1306
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:05.199
believe in Eric Shanks. I don't
believe in Joe Johnson. I don't believe

1307
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:11.359
in this entire people who govern the
structure. I don't believe in those people.

1308
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:15.359
And why should I after everything that's
happened, Why should anyone believe in

1309
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.560
those people? Right now? It's
hard, it's a big ask. And

1310
01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:21.600
that's what we said and again,
and people I know say, we're basically

1311
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:25.039
I think it was when Anthony Miller
was on and people were saying, like,

1312
01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:30.680
oh, we're so negative and everything, but it's there was a lot

1313
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:32.880
of big words used in a lot
of grandiose and a lot of promises,

1314
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.319
and it's hard. And I understand
that this isn't where anyone wanted to be,

1315
01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:41.199
but it's the very nature of kind
of what you've led people through here

1316
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:45.039
the last two three years. And
I thought it was a big ask going

1317
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.079
in when the XMFL kicked off,
and after all the delays and everything in

1318
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:49.880
the CFL talks and pushing back,
like I thought that was a big enough

1319
01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:55.399
already. And now here we are, Okay, this uncertainty of the last

1320
01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:57.720
three months, I think it's just
almost been a nail in the coffin on

1321
01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:03.039
a lot of this. Just prove
us wrong, Yeah, please prove me

1322
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:06.920
wrong, prove all the doubters wrong. I want you to prove me wrong.

1323
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:13.079
You have all the tools it takes
to make this work. You are

1324
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:19.119
titans of your industries, and you're
just kind of going along like this doesn't

1325
01:26:19.159 --> 01:26:24.359
matter to you, and you're just
wasting this money. And all the while

1326
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:27.439
these players and fans are caught in
the middle of it, and they just

1327
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:30.039
if they really committed to this,
I'm not even talking about putting in a

1328
01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:32.960
tons of money. I'm talking about
just putting in the effort, because that

1329
01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:35.800
doesn't actually cost it really, I
mean, how much money does it really

1330
01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:40.520
cost to do these tiny little events
in these markets and get some freelancers out,

1331
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:43.319
I mean, how much money does
that really cost? Well, I

1332
01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:45.520
had said, I had said from
the beginning that if you if you founut

1333
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:48.880
the street team in each market,
people have people apply, give them free

1334
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:53.600
season tickets and give them merch and
say you gotta do once a month and

1335
01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:56.399
the fan event and find the bar. And like, I don't think it's

1336
01:26:56.439 --> 01:26:59.159
I don't even think it's a it's
a paying thing. I think you could

1337
01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:00.479
find people that would be happy to
do it to help grow. I mean,

1338
01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:04.000
we have people, you know,
doing shows and everything already. Like,

1339
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:06.920
I don't think it's that big of
an ass to get the people involved.

1340
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:13.359
And yet they just don't. They
just don't care. I really don't

1341
01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:16.359
see why I should believe they care. I just don't. They don't care.

1342
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.239
They want to make their own little
fantasy world where they barely do anything

1343
01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:24.279
and it all just works out and
they can go work on their other stuff.

1344
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:30.760
Philip has the last question. We'll
put this to bed here, I

1345
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:36.800
can spring football ever exist and be
successful? Yes, undisputedly yes. There

1346
01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:41.439
is no way you can watch what
happened in twenty twenty with all of the

1347
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:46.199
investment that was put in and how
immediately that paid off despite plenty of hiccups,

1348
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:51.760
and not think that spring football can't
work. The problem is that people

1349
01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:56.960
don't see the long term vision.
Number one. Number two, something really

1350
01:27:57.039 --> 01:28:00.880
unfortunate happened with that league that no
one could have predicted unless you were an

1351
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:06.399
expert in foreign diseases in like December
twenty nineteen, and even then, most

1352
01:28:06.439 --> 01:28:11.399
sports league, like the only sports
league who was prepared for the pandemic was

1353
01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:15.279
like the Wimbledon tennis Championships because they
had pandemic construments. That was it So

1354
01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:18.479
like if not for that, maybe
we would still have the XFL right now

1355
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:23.279
and it would be flourishing and flying. And that's not me saying, oh,

1356
01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:25.720
the twenty twenty is the best thing
ever. They had plenty of mistakes,

1357
01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:30.840
but they actually committed. No one
else since then has committed. All

1358
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:36.960
it takes is commitment, patience and
listening and understanding and continuing to try to

1359
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:44.920
grow and willing to lose money for
like five years, and you will have

1360
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:49.720
a league that works. It won't
be MLS yet, it won't be It

1361
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:54.159
definitely won't be a major sports league, but you will have a committed customer

1362
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:58.720
fan base and people will care and
it will matter, and players will come

1363
01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:01.880
between that league and the NFL L
and people will watch it because it's an

1364
01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:05.159
interesting to watch during the spring when
there's no college football on, there's no

1365
01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:11.159
NFL on, and the only other
option is baseball, hockey, MLS,

1366
01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:18.760
UH and basketball. But I agree, no commitment, no reward. You

1367
01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:24.079
only get it get out what you
put in, and they have not put

1368
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:28.960
in the work. Uh and the
infamous words of the New radicals you only

1369
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:31.720
get what you give. So I
never, never, never forget that.

1370
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.319
Uh, Max, this was good
today. A little you know, we've

1371
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:40.560
got a little negative, but that's
okay. I appreciated that, maxim it's

1372
01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:45.239
earned earned negativity. And again this
was enough today. We haven't done this

1373
01:29:45.359 --> 01:29:46.960
every week. I think that this
had been week four of coming on and

1374
01:29:47.000 --> 01:29:50.039
the bitching and complaining about this,
but it was a good spot today,

1375
01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:54.720
doing our Friday show, coming off
the CFL and all that, So I

1376
01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:58.000
appreciate Max coming on, Like I
said, kind of stand by, we'll

1377
01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:02.800
figure out episodes here. CFL season
done, you know, depending on news

1378
01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.159
next week, but keep a fallout, you keep an eye out for that.

1379
01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:08.439
But we'll figure it out. But
we obviously we're done with our money

1380
01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:11.520
recaps, now done with all that
stuff, so uh, stay tuned.

1381
01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:14.399
I assume everyone's subscribed to this point, but give it. Give a thumbs

1382
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:17.319
up to the video here. I
think we're still up over the XFL Fast

1383
01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.840
Year or whatever at this point,
but appreciate Max stepping up today. Like

1384
01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:23.920
I said, we needed the guests. You're going to go through all this.

1385
01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:28.079
I hope everyone else is good with
their families and stuff anything else.

1386
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:31.039
Max. Before we get out of
here, I'm gonna you know how Andy's

1387
01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:35.399
the professor? Can I be the
substitute teacher? You want to be in

1388
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:39.880
the scessity? You you're you're you're
producer, Max, you don't like produ

1389
01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:43.359
I'm producer. Well, when I'm
off the show, I'm when I'm on

1390
01:30:43.399 --> 01:30:46.880
the show, I'm the substitute teacher. So I'm both I'm producer, I

1391
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:56.479
have I have altered egos, so
good. Yeah, and then secondarily some

1392
01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.359
part in the back of my head
just wants to have hope again. I

1393
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:01.760
I I really there's a part of
in the back of my head that that

1394
01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:06.399
is an optimism that's like, hey, believe, believe, Make make all

1395
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:12.960
of us have that belief again.
Please please cry for help. Let's all.

1396
01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:15.439
We need to find a way to
like get the fans to cry for

1397
01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:16.840
help. We need to make them
believe in us. I don't know how

1398
01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:20.600
you make that happen. We've got
to activate the fans. Also really proud

1399
01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:25.640
of how well the great coverage when
your CFL coverage, and how well your

1400
01:31:26.079 --> 01:31:29.880
channel's growing. You're You're of the
people who are like actually podcasts and not

1401
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:35.399
larger brands beyond just being a podcast. Here the number one alternative football podcast

1402
01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:40.680
now on YouTube, which I think
is impressive, and every single metrics toscarvers

1403
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:43.359
all that. I'm it's impressive.
I'm happy for you. Well, I

1404
01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:46.640
appreciate that. Like I said,
I you know, we've waivered and I'm

1405
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:51.319
here right like this has been long
and doing that. We've done weekly recaps

1406
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:55.960
since February and oh year round football. It's been a lot. The XFL

1407
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.199
staff and I appreciate Andy and everyone
coming on that, and then Pat carrying

1408
01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.319
through the USFL, and then Evan
being involved in a lot of that,

1409
01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:05.760
and then him and Jason with the
CFL. You know, I going up

1410
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:09.880
to Great Cup was great, connecting, meeting all those people, like I'm

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here a part of this world.
Kind of whatever happens, right, But

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I feel like I'm a hired gun
at this point, and I think I

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just wish that, like you said, get us excited in this, get

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whatever. I think we have a
very passionate audience about all this. I

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appreciate everyone taking the time today on
Black Friday to spend time and sharing their

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comments and concerns as well. So
I think there's a place we'll see what

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that looks like. But you know
the same with the CFL, like let's

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embrace you know, cell phone and
the ring light and outdrew every other piece

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of coverage that they put out over
the weekend. So I appreciate Max,

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appreciate the listeners, appreciate the viewers. Today. We'll post this on the

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podcast channel as well. See if
you want to listen to it later.

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Thanks has always been subscribe like and
all that stuff. Go enjoy the Jets

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now the Zombie Jets well, wave
a wave, go too late against.

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That's my game. All enjoy all
that go crack and everything else, all right,