1 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,879 We're back with another edition of The Federalist for radio hour. I'm Emily Tishinski, 2 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,320 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the 3 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:27,199 show at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on exit fdr LST, 4 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:30,399 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts, and of course to 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,000 the premium version of our website, The Federalist dot Com as well. Today 6 00:00:34,039 --> 00:00:37,000 I'm happy to be joined once again by Christopher Bedford, who has a new 7 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:39,079 job title, and I'm hoping Chris, you can tell us just a little 8 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:41,240 bit about what you're going to be up to at the Blaze, where you 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,679 are now the senior political editor. Tell us what's up at this new gig. 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,000 Oh thanks, You got a nice little sketch of yourself at the Blaze. 11 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:53,039 If you subscribe to The Blaze, you see there's an actual sketch of 12 00:00:53,359 --> 00:00:57,240 a rendering, an artists rendering of Christopher Bedford. I obviously not have to 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,679 replace all my social media profiles with its good. I like it. I 14 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,880 like it a lot. Yeah, you made fun of me, someone else 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,159 made fun of you, and I piled on. I love a good pile 16 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,439 on. I don't blame you for that. Yeah, a senior politics editor 17 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:15,239 means I'll be writing the twice weekly newsletter. I was usually gonna do once 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,000 weekly and start it's like, why not twice and just commit yourself to the 19 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,519 work right now. So doing that, which is going to the kind of 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,040 format is going to be one big thing that I'll write, and then maybe 21 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,159 some links and things that you can do to follow up on that, and 22 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:30,040 then a bunch of a couple other stories you can read through that, and 23 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:34,239 links to our site and other sites. Who's got these interesting takes? And 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,680 then finally something that's not this is mostly it's gonna be politics. It's going 25 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:42,280 to be kind of people who don't read Punchble every day not quite as interested 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,040 how what's really playing out behind the scenes. It seems like a lot of 27 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:52,480 political newsletters these days basically either tell you a Democrats thing or just tell you 28 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:57,640 a Republican and Democratic leadership thinks they don't really like. I don't think I've 29 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,920 ever read a single newsletter that even tried to understand. And the Freedom Caucus, 30 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,400 for example, it's just these hard right wingers, that's it, No 31 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,039 no understanding. I was reading Political Playbook today, which is like I had 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,479 to start reading it again because of this newsletter, and I was reminded why 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,840 I stopped. This is the first place. It's the blog in Northern Virginia. 34 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,479 Yeah, it's a little pamlet in Northern Virginia, the political dot com. 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,520 Like the first half of it was how evil Donald Trump is and all 36 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,080 these trials and stuff and all these unindicted conspirator stuff that's coming out now on 37 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:34,120 Arizona. Not without a single moment's reflection. I'm like, are we the 38 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:36,719 bad guys here? There was a bug on the microphone by the way, 39 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:39,560 sorry, pensive, so weird. It should have let it go. It 40 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:44,319 was a neon green bug that Yeah, So anyway, go on. It 41 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,479 was all about to tell Trump bad and how and you watch Red punch Bowl, 42 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:51,879 Like. It was all about how Republican senators have gone very right wing 43 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,479 in the age of Trump. You sure it's not the age of Obama and 44 00:02:53,560 --> 00:03:00,599 Biden. I got an issue the US senators don't actually listen that closely to 45 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,599 Donald Trump. This was a huge problem just over the course of the last 46 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:05,319 week. And I know we're going to talk about that, so I'm going 47 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,319 to put a pin in it for now. And then the second half of 48 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:09,599 playbook was about how excited they are for White House Correspondents Center weekend, which 49 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:15,960 is like insufferable, insufferable, yeah, insufferable, yeah, and no matter 50 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,919 why I don't like it. But the one editorial stance at the Federalist is 51 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,520 against the White House Correspondent Center. But your newsletter is not going to be 52 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,479 the type that is drooling over the champagne toasts. You know, every there's 53 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,479 like three parties a night. No like the old line, which I don't 54 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,560 do anymore obviously because I'm a family man. But their food, drink their 55 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:36,639 boosts, sleep at their women, and vote against them in the morning. 56 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:42,280 It's like, now I don't even go to the parties anymore. Christopher Bedford 57 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,439 family man, family man, a business card. The idios to do politics 58 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:51,199 for folks who maybe don't cover it for a living, but also are going 59 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,719 to have things that for folks who do cover it for a living. So 60 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,680 an insider perspective on some of the things that are actually driving Speaker Johnson, 61 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,759 driving Rich McConnell, what's coming next, what's going on now? Do that 62 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,400 as the top, and then at the end kind of wrap it up with 63 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:10,199 something that's broader about our culture, because I mean there's a lot of really 64 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,719 important things going on that you write about, we talk about is. I 65 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:16,720 think that's your specialty, is tying news of the day on Capitol Hill into 66 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,480 some of these deeper cultural questions. That's what I'm trying to do. Thank 67 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,560 you, that's the hope. And yeah, politics, the broader culture is 68 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,839 my passion, but politics is I thought it was graphic design. Graphic design 69 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:32,319 is your passion. I am a whiz with ms pain. No. You 70 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,240 when you discovered the iPad, the iPad pro, I walked you through it 71 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,360 for like five minutes, and ten minutes later it was like the student has 72 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:44,439 become the teacher. I love my iPad. I'm a boomer with my iPad. 73 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,160 But actually so no, I think this is fantastic. And you know, 74 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:49,920 there was a time on the Blaze was really heavy on sort of like 75 00:04:49,959 --> 00:04:55,120 aggregations and those quicker pieces. But now what you guys are trying to do 76 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,040 over there, and it just speaks fimes that they brought you on board is 77 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,759 real, A high quality, longer, deeper, more thoughtful stuff. That's 78 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,720 actually that's the plan. Matt Peterson. It was a claimont for a long 79 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,439 time. Uh is editor in chief over there, and he's been working with 80 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,519 some friends of ours we've known for a long time to try and shift the 81 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,199 Blaze from something it's always been a publication that has reached a broader swath of 82 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:25,439 the American people, but to also try and they've shifted. They've shifted models 83 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,160 for a subscription model, which I think is really important going into twenty twenty 84 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,000 four as we go into another big tech crackdown. Yeah, to hack their 85 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:34,959 base, to have your readers. But it was also always yeah because the 86 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,319 old they were masters actually of the old model. I mean they expanded really 87 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:43,120 quickly when the old model was a click based Facebook. When Benny Johnson was 88 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,759 at the Blaze. Yeah, I forgot about it before BuzzFeed. Yes, 89 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,639 that's right, I forgot to Blaze. I always wore Glenbeck's clothing lines they're 90 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:54,920 gonna say he always wore Glenbeck's clothes and like a silence of the Lamb situation, 91 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,160 because I would also sort of be like, oh, yeah, Benny, 92 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,040 Yeah, sorry, Benny, we should get any on for an episode? 93 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,959 Yeah, down, I'll be seeing him next weekend. All right, 94 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:06,839 got a wedding there? You go. Well, so no, I actually 95 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:11,399 think this is all really cool. Make sure you subscribe to Chris's letter newsletter 96 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:14,079 over at the Blaze dot com. Yes, you can go to the Blaze 97 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:16,079 and sign up for the newsletter or email USO will send you the link. 98 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,439 And people might not know. Blaze does a lot of really good I mean, 99 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,040 their video content is extremely popular, but I always think of them as 100 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,199 a news website meds because I work in news. But the video stuff is 101 00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:30,040 super high quality as well. That's that's their bread and butter. Yeah, 102 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,439 the studios are super impressive and they put out a lot of great shows. 103 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,319 I'm looking forward to joining some of those shows, and we're going to be 104 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:43,800 launching in the next few months a DC news show excellent where I get to 105 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,600 be DC correspondent check in. Yeah, out here hanging out at CPI studios. 106 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,759 Yeah, doing some good work which will be exciting cool. Well, 107 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:57,160 actually, on that note, I should also mention that Ryan Grimm and I 108 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:00,360 are launching a Friday edition of our show Counterpoints, so over with our friend 109 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:05,480 Saga at Breaking Points, my friend Crystal Ryan. We're all going to be 110 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:09,199 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday Over at Breaking points now, 111 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:13,600 which I think they launched two years ago, so it's pretty amazing that they've 112 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,360 been able to expand to five days a week. Our first guest they already 113 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,560 announced this morning. Ryan and I interviewed Don Lemon yesterday, so if you 114 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:26,079 want an early version of that tonight, you can ascribe regufile about the sor 115 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,160 Bet. I didn't ask about Sorbette. I asked about his boomer Rubs comment 116 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,279 with well it wasn't hint Rick Wilson said it, and Don Lemon just laughed 117 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:36,519 along and asked him about that. We played a Nome Chomsky clip for him. 118 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:41,240 That's one of my favorite moments. It gets contentious. Yeah, he's 119 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:46,079 alive. He's very much and he lives on her heart. Oh he is. 120 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,399 He is a vigorous at two hundred years old. He's like an old 121 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,839 testament and bearded stage at this point. I rememberhen I found out that Gord 122 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:59,480 died. I was liked was alive. Yeah, my friend, my buddy 123 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:01,240 Dame was sitting He's like, yeah, I was with him. He lived 124 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:05,319 on our street. He's like I used to there was like he went over 125 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:09,279 to Garvetdelle's house. Don't worry. He was little Sus. Yeah, little 126 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,959 sus anyway, so breaking points dot com for that. No, Chris and 127 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,079 I actually kind of wrote similar pieces this week. Did you did you notice 128 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,720 that you wrote blaze Everyone? Course, I know it's a genius h But 129 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:26,839 actually, to this point the broader media conversation, I think this is so 130 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:30,879 important. There's been basically no media criticism of how we ended up with this 131 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,879 ninety five billion dollar foreign aid pack because they're all for it, but because 132 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,879 Putin fringes against it. Well, this is the thing. So they put 133 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:41,720 Marjorie Taylor Green on the cover of the New York Post, which generally I 134 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:46,039 love the New York Post, but in a like what did they What was 135 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:50,399 the cover? Do you remember? It said something like Putin basically implying that 136 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,799 she was a Russian stooge haplessly, not even intentionally, but that she was 137 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:01,000 just sort of like walking into Putin propaganda territory. And it's just I think 138 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,080 one of the biggest problems in this entire debate is that nobody in the New 139 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,639 York Posts like joining everyone else and talking about like the ghosts, the phantoms 140 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:13,720 of ghosts of Kiev, like all these fake Ukrainian military victories that. I 141 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:16,440 mean, American newspaper is printed. Everyone did that. Everyone I didn't do 142 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,919 that. Well, you weren't in charge of a newspaper. Who knows what 143 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,360 you might not have done that. So but I mean, really it's been 144 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:26,559 how did we get to the point? And I think a lot of it 145 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:31,120 stems from them not understanding the Freedom Caucus, Like the New York Times, 146 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:37,879 it's incredible. Brendan Buch, who you know from his time working as communications 147 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:43,679 aid to speakers Bayner and Ryan wrote an op ed in The New York Times 148 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:50,440 basically accusing the Freedom Caucus of undermining their own goals. But part of it 149 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:52,559 was predicated on this idea that Marjorie Taylor Green was part of the Freedom of 150 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,360 Caucus, and he also alluded to the idea that the Freedom Caucus had gummed 151 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,639 up the works on the Rules Committee, which he's talking about, like Chip 152 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,679 Roy and Thomas Massey. Thomas Massey is also not a member of the Freedom 153 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,240 Caucus. But Marjorie Taylor Green had this hugely public divide with the Freedom Caucus. 154 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:13,440 She's constantly exchanging's hostilities between the chairman of the Freedom Caucus other members of 155 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,200 the Freedom Caucus and herself, and this went to print. Not only did 156 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,679 he write that, but it went to print in the New York Times. 157 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,960 Like, if he's your communications consultant, fire him because he doesn't know what's 158 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,840 happening on Capitol Hill. And I know that's a small thing, but it's 159 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,919 a really important distinction, because if you knew what the Freedom Caucus's negotiations were 160 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,000 like in this, you would have known that it had nothing to do with 161 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:37,480 Marjorie Taylor Green. Not that she wasn't a powerful voice against the package. 162 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,399 She of course was, but you would have known because you would be understanding 163 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,879 the Freedom Caucus. And to have something so basic and obvious wrong, I 164 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:48,000 think speaks to the fact that they don't in the New York Times fact checkers 165 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,159 that missed it. So not only did he write it, the Times, 166 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,399 the Times printed it. It's absurd. But anyway, all that is to 167 00:10:54,399 --> 00:11:00,279 say that consider your what's your goal is when you're when you when you to 168 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:05,120 write something that criticizes people on your right or in your general camp. And 169 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,480 he's obviously a Republican, Choose your publication very carefully, First sleep on it 170 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,440 and decide if you actually do you really need to go out there and like 171 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,600 attack people who are kind of on your side and the partisan divide, which 172 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,200 I guess maybe is becoming. And two, if you're going to are you 173 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,159 going to tack them on in New York time? Who are you talking to? 174 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,799 But this is their times? But this is the new partisan line. 175 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,919 He's completely with the Democrats. I mean, he wrote in his op ed 176 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,279 he celebrated that leadership was able to pass the dead Deal, was able to 177 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:37,840 get Ukraine funded. Well, that's not the Democrat position. That's also McConnell's 178 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,519 position, that's Johnson's position exactly. Flesh out a little bit from Braso. 179 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,240 Interesting. I thought the Senate votes were really interesting. I mean, again, 180 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,519 if you lose ten Cruz on an Israel funding package, you know, 181 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:54,840 Marco Rubio, who's typically very hawkish, you lose Marco Rubio on a foreign 182 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:56,759 aid package. And it all came down really to the border. I mean, 183 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:01,720 there was these questions about the funding for Palestinian territory and whether that was 184 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:05,960 going to end up in the hands of Hamas that prevented some of them from 185 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,559 voting for a Ted Cruse sided that when he didn't vote for it. But 186 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,399 Anyway, Chris flesh out for us a little bit what you wrote about over 187 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,360 the Blaze. Why did you start with yours so I can got them my 188 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,399 thoughts. I was listening so intently. Yeah, well you're and also you're 189 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:24,440 shy, especially when it comes to your political beliefs. I get it. 190 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,759 You need to be sort of coaxed a little bit. Yeah, But I 191 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:31,960 mean, for me, that was really I wrote a lot about the Brenda 192 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,480 buck Point. I wrote about Zahel Kapoor saying quote all caps, how it 193 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,480 happened and basically writing out this. I think it was like six step process 194 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,799 of how the Freedom Caucus was left with nothing, and not just the Freedom 195 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,080 Caucus obviously also members like Mike Lee. I mean, so many senators voted 196 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,440 against this. I don't know if Molly and David talked about it yesterday seven 197 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,360 and had a chance to listen to voted against it last time essentially, right, 198 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,799 But I mean it was interesting because Molly, I think, did the 199 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,559 math and like a ton of Senators that have been voted, who have been 200 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,120 elected just in like the last ten years, like that was a really good 201 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:11,240 showing on the bill from that contingent. But you know, Sahil Kapor walks 202 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:13,679 through the process of how it happened and said, Republicans in the House and 203 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,200 Senate demanded a border bill. Then when McConnell gave them a border bill, 204 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,919 they just rejected automatically false. Your narrative has already gone off track there, 205 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,840 and they blamed I'm sure he blamed Trump for that, right, idiotic, 206 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:31,679 idiotic they did. They blamed Trump exactly, They blamed Trump. I mean, 207 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,000 it's absurd that no, if Donald Trump had said to vote for the 208 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:37,759 bill, if he had actually come out and expended his political capital, he 209 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,399 basically said Mike Johnson was doing a tough, a good job in tough circumstances, 210 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:43,759 which I completely disagree with. I agree that circumstances are tough, but 211 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:50,519 oh my gosh, that bill was intentionally designed to fool the media into thinking 212 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:56,039 Republicans were dismissing the media and the public. As a consequence, we're dismissing 213 00:13:56,039 --> 00:14:01,000 a border compromise bill. It was nonsense. It was full of carve outs 214 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,840 to exemptions, that carve outs and exemptions about it, like there were some 215 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:11,120 concessions from Democrats in it. Some more libertarian conservative immigration people have pointed out 216 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:16,039 that there was some real asylum differences, but oh my gosh, they were 217 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:20,639 full of exemptions. Biden could just decide not to go with them. So 218 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,480 it's it was designed intentionally for the media to take the bait, and the 219 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:30,440 media took the bait, just took the bait. They weren't they were part 220 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,159 of it. They were part of it. They were already central aspect of 221 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,399 it. Yeah, I agree with that, but this is again, you 222 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:43,720 can't have the you can't have a media that is so disinterested in the perspective 223 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:50,279 of like what half the country the Republicans represent roughly like half the country right 224 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,279 now, quite literally, the House of Representatives Representatives is split basically in half. 225 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,480 The Senate is split basically in half. That reflects the country, which 226 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:03,600 is split basically in half. Joe Biden's brain is split. Basically he doesn't 227 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,720 know who he is on any given day, like much like is he the 228 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:13,519 guy who's like, you know, super pro nets and Yahoo? Is he 229 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:20,399 the guy that's super pro like college campuses? Like with the activities his political 230 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:24,840 on things defer pretty dramatically from his staff's yea and half like the rest of 231 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:28,840 the country. I think, I mean his political instincts are generally on point, 232 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,279 but I mean did but his staff are very against the kind of political 233 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,360 instincts he has, right, and he ends up making some really bad political 234 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:41,240 decisions, moral decisions, of course, political decisions. So my piece was 235 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:46,120 basically on like who Johnson was in this and that it was based on his 236 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,559 twenty eighteen Daily Beasts article let me pull up. Oh my gosh, it 237 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,159 was so interesting. I had not seen that article in years. Meet the 238 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,440 double Agent who now controls House Conservatives. That was the headline quote. The 239 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,919 spy's mission was simple, gain their trust, become one of them, and 240 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,360 eventually take them over. And it describes him as the perfect ball and a 241 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:11,320 clean cut politician hungary for power and influence. That was about Mike Johnson, 242 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,200 who had then just become chairman of the Republican Study Committee, which is like 243 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:19,679 was started as a very conservative group and kind of became like a Republican club. 244 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,159 I was taken over in the teens, one of the big sort of 245 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:33,360 eruptions and the relationship between post Tea Party conservatives and the Republican establishment of jan 246 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,720 leadership takeover that right and then. But it's about how he's kind of two 247 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:45,320 face. He's just power hungry. But so I wanted to follow up on 248 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,919 that and follow up with his Freedom caucusing this, This whole article is positive 249 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,080 that he was a secret hard right conservative who visited the leadership by acting that 250 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,399 way. He went to all the Freedom Caucus meetings, but he never paid 251 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:00,879 his dues. By the way, that's that's a faux pile. You're not 252 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:04,039 you're not supposed to do that. Like the Freedom concass dues are probably harder 253 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:08,759 to collect than being like a fraternity treasurer in college, but they go to 254 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,839 paying the few shared staff that you have, you know, executive director or 255 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:19,000 constructor of the Freedom Cancass is not a huge staff, and those people earn 256 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:26,400 their paychecks forgetting having to like take the calls of the couple dozen congressmen and 257 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,359 congressmen who are in there. It's not an easy job. So paying dues 258 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,440 is important. But he didn't do that, and the Daily Beast thought it 259 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:40,240 was so he could pretend that he was more amenable to Leadership's demands. But 260 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:41,839 it kind of turns out if you look at it, that they had him 261 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,480 right in that there's some pretend and there's some willingness to bend the truth. 262 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,359 But he's actually is really amenable to leaderships demands. He never actually was the 263 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:57,160 winger that people thought he was. He's got basically impeccable socially conservative bona fides. 264 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:02,640 He's got the right friendships Tony Perkins also from Louisiana, the Family Research 265 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,279 Council. But at the end of the day, he votes when leadership put 266 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,200 pressure down. He always voted with leadership. He would back them up on 267 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,160 a defense re authorization for example, that set women up for the draft. 268 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:21,279 Really with how much argument. He voted for the Deficit Reduction Act. You 269 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:25,400 know that that Republican leadership and Joe Biden wanted that, didn't them Yeah, 270 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,119 the McCarthy wanted that didn't reduce the deficit. There was a whole list of 271 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:33,720 things he did, but doing interviews with members of the Freedom Caucus and conservative 272 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,480 senior staff who'd worked closely with him at the time that that was written, 273 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,640 and still the picture that was painted to me is someone who's like a good 274 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:48,880 man, not a bad man. But he one quote was a phenomenal capacity 275 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:55,880 for self delusion. Like he he really does think that he's a man of 276 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,160 faith, faith principle, but his principle tells him, his faith tells him, 277 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,440 you know, you need to send ninety five billion dollars abroad from the 278 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:11,720 US. And that's like he justifies that he can justify that U sat his 279 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:15,000 faith, which is kind of a strange thing to do. And yeahs apparently 280 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,519 he's he's he's very comfortable, well one person to work with them closely with 281 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,119 lying, with making reasons for I had to lie to get something done. 282 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,400 Basically, he is extremely self justified, capable of deluding himself on that and 283 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:36,000 capable of reinforcing whatever things he's pushing for with that. What this comes from 284 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:44,599 my faith? I think that describes basically everyone in power in Washington, DC. 285 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,839 It's a capacity for self delusion. I love that quote because one of 286 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,640 the things I've learned from being here is when you get to know people in 287 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,720 these positions of power, it's not a complete phoniness so much as it is 288 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:04,640 self delusion. They sleep at night because they are mostly convinced, entirely convinced 289 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,880 that people would really wrestle with this, and it sounds deeply unpleasant to be 290 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,200 in those positions because of that reason that they are convinced that they're on the 291 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:18,680 quote right side of history, that they are doing term and you actually heard, 292 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,799 uh, you heard Johnson using it too. I want to be in 293 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:26,759 the right set of history on God Judge Judge's history history. Judging history is 294 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:32,319 just kind of a weird philosophical thing. I know, I'll probably take off 295 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,079 some listeners with this, but he just kind of reminds me of a megachurch 296 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:45,559 leader. No, I actually think megachurch leaders in the sort of stereotypical caricature 297 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,880 since are actually a lot of times fully phony and like they're better at acting. 298 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,160 And Mike Johnson, I think he has like a theater background, right. 299 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,599 I think he's done his uh Trump impressions and everything, so I think 300 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:02,759 he was in high school theater. But I think for him, he didn't 301 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,640 even this. I partially wrote about this in my piece. He didn't even 302 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:11,000 do a good job of playing the part of somebody who empathizes with his allegedly 303 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:14,440 fellow conservatives, the people you know. He would say I'm friends with Marjorie, 304 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,799 and then Marjorie Taylor Green would say I'm not friends with. He was 305 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,279 very ham fisted in his negotiations with the people who were apparently were supposedly his 306 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:29,559 ideological bedfellows. And what you know the Mike Lees and the Bob Goods do 307 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,079 isn't even you know, some of it is purely stylistic and temperamental. And 308 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:40,720 Kevin McCarthy, who voted in a lot of directions that we would not be 309 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:45,000 happy with, also was so good of as at least making those folks feel 310 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,319 heard, you know, the important human need to feel like you were. 311 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,720 The federal so got called in. I had a vacation in between jobs, 312 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,960 so I was really enjoying it, and Ben started like adding things to my 313 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,759 calendar. It took me off, but one of them was to go in 314 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:02,039 with like him and Molly. Were you there? I was supposed to be 315 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:06,599 that. I couldn't make it to meet with McCarthy. Yeah, he was 316 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,519 likable, very likable, and he was very interesting. I couldn't stop giving 317 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:15,559 him heck over his billion trees idea. We're going to get the youth vote 318 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,880 by planting a billion trees? How stupid are you? He talked about that 319 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:22,319 and like you would talk about this stuff in good faith though probably, and 320 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:25,799 I imagine with like Freedom Caucus people too. He just had you know, 321 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:29,839 he wanted to be in leadership so badly that and he was smart enough that 322 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,240 he had really good relationships with those people. And my read on Mike Johnson 323 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,279 is he thinks that it's important for him to be in leadership so that he 324 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,759 can, you know, force people into principled positions. But the tell for 325 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:45,880 him should be that as soon as he got in leadership, he changed and 326 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,799 you wrote about this, he changed his positions, but even before then if 327 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:53,960 you looked at it. So this was kind of an argument between different more 328 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,720 conservative members of the House and whether or not to support him. There were 329 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:00,640 a lot of people that took him at his word. He said, you 330 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,119 know, Mike Johnson's a man of God. This is we did, and 331 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,519 I think that's I wrote a piece saying that we're going to have the first 332 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,599 socially conservative speaker, and we did by the way we did, because he's 333 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,720 he's on the record with all of these socially conservative views. The question is 334 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,119 how he acts, and that has now been answered. Yeah, And there 335 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,519 were some other people who are more skeptical, saying, well, look at 336 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:26,240 his record when pressure comes, and we talked about that. I think we've 337 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:33,279 talked about that before. With grace curly, but the leader, it's kind 338 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:36,680 of easy to snipe from the back and say, well, I'm not going 339 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,359 to be I'm not going to send more money to Ukraine. I'm not going 340 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,319 to vote for this bill that kills babies. Leadership is very difficult because you 341 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,519 have to not only make those hard decisions, but you have to face down 342 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:48,920 your enemies and you're going to have people coming at you from all sides. 343 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,839 And the skiffs saying Americans will die. They should have more skiffs about the 344 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,000 border. By the way, Americans will die if you don't do this, 345 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,559 and the country will fall apart if you don't this, and America a fault 346 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,839 if you don't kill more babies. The harvest will come if we don't sacrifice 347 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,000 the child. And it turns out you need to be kind of strong on 348 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:14,319 that. And the defining character astlict that I can tell from Mike Johnson is 349 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,640 he may be a good guy, but he's a total woosie to use a 350 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:22,119 radio okay word. Yes, these negotiations are like playing poker. I think 351 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,839 that's why the temperamental dispositional stuff is such an important part of it. That 352 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,759 if Mike Johnson were out there saying my members are representing the American public, 353 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,160 which sees millions and millions of people pouring across the border, and this bill 354 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,400 is nonsense and you're not going to get us to fall for your trick. 355 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,839 Another thing Kevin McCarthy turned into being spectacularly adept at doing was just attacking the 356 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,640 media. Mike Johnson, instead of doing that, was attacking follow Republicans, 357 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,799 which you know McCarthy did. Is for your share of that too. But 358 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:53,400 if you're smart, if you're smart, and you do a good job of 359 00:24:53,440 --> 00:25:00,000 this. And I think Kevin McCarthy genuinely had a transformation after the January sixth 360 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:06,880 Committee, after his negotiations with Nancy Pelosi and impeachment, and he was he's 361 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,000 talked about this, he told us about this and the Federalist but I think 362 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:12,799 he did, you know, suddenly come to have his eyes open up to 363 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,319 how radical a lot of people on the other side of the aisle are, 364 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,440 and that pushed him to be way more critical of me. But you would 365 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:23,400 think you would think that Mike Johnson socially conservative Mike Johnson, you know, 366 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,359 McCarthy probably felt like he could do it because he had the credentials, like 367 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,680 he he knew all the lobbies. He'd been here for a very long time. 368 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:33,440 He was a young gun. You know, they all kind of knew 369 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:37,880 him. Mike Johnson probably is now suddenly getting. Imagine the pressures this guy 370 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,519 is getting from suddenly from the media, from the special interests, from leadership, 371 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:47,880 from people like Mitch McConnell, all of that, and he caved. 372 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,119 He caved. There was a point made on Twitter by a guy who I 373 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,920 don't generally agree with n't anything. We called it the Johnson maneuver, and 374 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,759 he said, this is the same thing has taken place in government funding and 375 00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:03,640 impeachment fis on Ukraine. It's first, when confronted with the major decision, 376 00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:08,039 change your mind a lot, and then delay a decision as long as possible, 377 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,359 and then slightly tweaks something that you previously oppose to sell it as a 378 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,599 win right, and then depend heavily on Democrats to get you out of the 379 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,440 jam. Right. That is the Johnson maneuver. Democrats staffer was posting that, 380 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:26,920 and and it seems correct. Although that's perfect. I've been getting some 381 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:32,480 pushback from some friends of mine on this, but I actually think that going 382 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,799 to Columbia University yesterday was smart. Okay, so tell me about that because 383 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:42,680 I might disagree. So that the criticisms that I got from friends are one, 384 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,000 it's a shiny object that Johnson goes and waves into the Columbia Hammas protests 385 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:52,839 and that are illegal that have shut down the university and gives a speech about 386 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,279 how you're an American. That's my perspective. And then the other one was 387 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,799 why get in the way of a really public divorce. I mean, this 388 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:07,880 is not like Charlottesville, where there's like a small fringe of people who are 389 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,279 neo Nazi gun runners who don't vote Republican, who are fighting a bunch of 390 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,240 like this is Democrats civil war. Here, this is a large swath the 391 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:22,200 Democratic Party that really doesn't like Israel and we're willing to shut down campuses, 392 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,559 and a large swath that also donate money to Israel and our supporters of it. 393 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,119 And this is civil war. So while get in the middle, I 394 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:36,119 thought it was really smart politics because it's easy to I think a lot of 395 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,880 people, especially in the American left, and we saw this in twenty twenty. 396 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:45,200 It was wild. We're completely able to disassociate the race wars and the 397 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:49,400 riots and the looting and the murder and the chaos and the spread of crime 398 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,640 throughout our cities from Democrats who've done it and didn't give Republicans credit for resisting 399 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,759 it, and the unique Republicans that they want to me on the side. 400 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,519 They can't just say we should fund the police and put the flag out and 401 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:07,880 give a speech from the rotunda. That needs to wade into it, like 402 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,720 like Trump that time walking through the White House with the tear gas was a 403 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,640 great, I think scene, but we need a lot more. You hold 404 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,759 the Bible upside down. I don't know if it was upside down. Trump 405 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:23,079 at the bodega was very good. Johnson out there chat telling these lass protesters, 406 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,880 you're on America and you're portraying your country and its ideals made him look 407 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,160 kind of brave and it was It reminded me of Richard Nixon, who was 408 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:38,240 who very much like democrats can't really honestly be said at the time like stood 409 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:42,400 for chaos, anarchy and disorder and drugs, but Nixon made them do that. 410 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,119 Nixon went out there and it's like, this is the party of anarchy. 411 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:51,079 Uh. Nixon had charisma, though Mike Johnson did, oh, oh, 412 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,400 I think this is I despised the strange new respect for Nixon movement that's 413 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,799 growing and sort of the new right. But our colle exams are like, 414 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:00,759 because he's a strange new respect for Nixon guy. But I think one of 415 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:06,920 the things that people forget about Nixon because of that famous Kennedy debate is he 416 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:12,640 really was very good, very good social People like, yeah, so who 417 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160 lacks a lot of social grace? On mean, Donald Trump, he won 418 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,319 an incredible victory. Was it like five hundred and seventy seventy to seventeen or 419 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:25,200 something, his luctoral Win, Yeah, I mean he had this, except 420 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,400 he had a commanding voice. And again this is why people who watched on 421 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,480 the radio, who listened on the radio to the Kennedy debate didn't have the 422 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,720 same perspective with people who like, yeah, he had a commanding voice. 423 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,599 He was. He was. He was a strange person, disliked by a 424 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,839 lot of his colleagues at the time, right, But the public liked Nick. 425 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,680 President the public liked him. I mean Eisenhower didn't like him. A 426 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,640 lot of his colleagues and their GOP didn't like him. I'm just saying curious 427 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,759 whether not Nixon really liked himself. Well yeah, but I'm just saying he 428 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,079 had more gravitas than like e offense to Mike Johnson. I just don't think 429 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,079 the optics. It looks very cynical, he looks. I don't know. 430 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:06,359 I disagreed, just that anesthetics of him there against disorder. I agree. 431 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,799 I agree that I got there and put himself in the middle of it, 432 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,519 and to yell at them and not just like put a sum in the air 433 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,319 and say no, we're for freet space, Like this is wrong. Police 434 00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:18,839 just should dismantle this. The national God should be considered kid should be able 435 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,000 to get an education. He also believes there's like a religious it sounds like 436 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:30,039 dispensationalism reason for us to be sending all this money to Israel and passing the 437 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,559 bill before we have an order bills. It's definitely a lot of render under 438 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,279 Caesar what is Caesar's and render under God God. So I don't know that 439 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:38,519 he's the right person for this message. Also annoying that the GOP is like, 440 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,319 oh, the campus is a pros Israel. We should defund them. 441 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:49,119 It's like the Campus of Post America that. So it's frustrating. But for 442 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:56,319 for sheer politics, I think appearing as the face of order amidst the mob 443 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,599 is smart, especially suburban voters, and an elect four years should do that. 444 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440 You've made a good case. You've made a good case. But you're 445 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,599 right. I mean I actually scoffed, and he's like, we could consider 446 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,559 defunding Columbia. I'm like, why haven't you done that? He looks I 447 00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:15,119 think he just looks soon scripted and diminutive, and the object is just for 448 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,480 me, like the hornroom ground. He looks like a nerd, and it's 449 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,119 not like he's one of the nerds that like speaks again like Nixon, like 450 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,680 he had this commanding, the sort of bellowing voice. And for Mike Johnson, 451 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,759 it's like, listen to the public. Polling is not where those of 452 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,000 us on the right want it to be on this issue, you know what 453 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:36,599 I mean, Like the public is pretty concerned about what they see is an 454 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:41,400 overzealous prosecution of this war. So he needs to make that case. I 455 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,000 get making the student case, but I'm just saying I don't know that it 456 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,839 comes across the public the way that it comes across to us. Bad messenger 457 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:52,720 to some people. He really he could have been a good messenger because he 458 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:57,200 did understand, like if you talk to people sort of an HFC. They 459 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,400 had genuinely good relationships until recently. You know he didn't know them. There 460 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:07,880 was but he's just you know, he doesn't have it. Chris, if 461 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,119 he was an auditioning for Speaker of the House on American Idol, I'd say, 462 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:16,680 it's a not for me be a man. But hey, when Kevin 463 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:20,960 McCarthy was being ousted, we were just sort of like, eh, you 464 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,480 know what, can I get much worse? Yeah, And it seemed like, 465 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,160 okay, maybe it can actually get better. And I don't think either 466 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,480 of us was like it's this is great and it's definitely go badly for Kevin 467 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,200 when Kevin McCarthy is getting outed. But then when this guy came in, 468 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,200 it was funny to see Gates his team and be like, this is what 469 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,640 we always intended, and I want to go back to that. So let's 470 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,839 talk about what that thing he pretended to always intend. Great stuff, great 471 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,200 stuff, just great stuff all around. All right, Christopher Bedf I can 472 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,559 tell you're itching to get to lunch. I am all right, Well, 473 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:54,880 thank you so much and congratulations on the new job. Thanks everyone. Make 474 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,720 sure to sign up for the newsletter The Blaze dot com. 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