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Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous.
With that in mind, I'm just going

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to call him Mark. Mark,
Welcome to the show. Good evening,

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Vic, thank you for having me. Well, thanks so much for coming

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on. We appreciate your time.
Mark. Please give us a brief bio

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in yourself. I'm fifty years old, have two daughters that are in their

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early twenty spent twenty two years in
the military, retired about ten years ago,

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spend a little bit of time in
law enforcement, decided I really want

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to be retired, So now I
run my own little business and just tinker

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around my house a lot. Nothing
wrong with that at all. It sounds

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to me like you've carved a really
good life out for yourself. And thanks

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also for your service to our country. I appreciate it. Thank you,

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Vick. I appreciate the sentiment.
Well, you know, you're welcome.

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Speaking of your time in the military, Mark, from what I understand,

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when you were serving in the military, you actually let it slip one time

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that you've had a dog me an
encounter when work. Can you tell us

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about that? Yeah? Absolutely.
I was dating a girl back at the

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time and we were watching a werewolf
movie. We were watching a Silver Bullet

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movie and it was a part where
he was breaking through a wall or something,

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you know, just causing general chaos
amongst everyone. And I said to

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my girlfriend, I said, ah, that's not true. Werewolves don't attack

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you. And she just laughed and
that was the end of it, and

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we went on a few nights later, we were in the barracks. We

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were talking and she says, tell
us about your werewolf experience. You know,

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I just I giggled and said,
she has no, no, no,

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no, I know you've got something
to tell. So I tell what

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had happened. And you know,
there was that looked at me like I

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was just skeptical. Nope, nobody
laughing, joke and yeah, yeah,

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yeah about Well, it was later
in that week I get called down to

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my first Arm's office. And the
reason I guess that this was such a

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big deal is when I was in
the military, my job required that I

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have a security clearance. It was
a top secret with an identifier. But

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it's nothing secret, squirrel or anything
like that. It just happened to be

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the job that I had which required
that security clearance. These clearances, they

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are I don't really necessarily understand the
process of getting them. But there's a

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whole process that involves everything from the
FBI to the Secret Service that goes around

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doing background. So it can take
up to two years to get a full

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clearance. So once you have that
clearance, it's easy to lose that clearance.

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Anything from I missed a car payment
to my electric got shut off because

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I didn't pay the bill. Anything
can cause you to lose that clearance.

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So anyway, I was called down
and first Arnie says, hey, there's

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a rumor going around that you're you
had a werewolf experience. And you know,

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I knew right off the bat,
Hey be careful what you're saying here.

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And I was taught to say,
look, top, I know we

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were drinking, we were having a
good time. I was just spending you

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on. We were just telling stories. So we you know, he kind

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of poked and prodded a little bit
and he was convinced, okay, so

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you're just telling stories. And that
was It had to been close to thirty

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years ago, and other than trying
to tell my girlfriend one time, maybe

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a year or so ago, I've
never spoke of it again. I did

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not want to take that chance.
Can't see I'll blame you. Yeah,

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that was pretty close to you losing
that clear ends all because your girlfriend decided

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to bring that up at a very
inopportune time. That's not good. She

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was a very inopportune woman. Yeah, sounds like it. And you just

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mentioned that your commanding officer's name was
Top. Have you ever listened to episode

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three nineteen to the show where Big
Moo came on and talked about his dog

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men experiencing His commanding officer was Top. His name wasn't Top. That's the

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military jargon for the first sergeant.
He's the senior enlisted within the company,

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so his nickname is Top instead of
saying first sergeants. There, you know,

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you say hey Top. Oh I
see, Well, thanks for clearing

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that up for me. I'll starting
to wonder. Oh yes, sir,

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Mark, you were a kid of
the seventies and eighties. How would you

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sum up how it was different growing
up back then compared to what it's like

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now for kids present day, night
and day. I mean, a telephone

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was something that was attached to the
wall and your grandma's stayed on it whenever

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she was talking to the neighbors or
whatever. There was no phones. There

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was no Internet. There was you
and outside inside we avoided because that's where

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adults lived. You stayed outside the
house, you stayed in the yard,

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you did things on your own.
These kids nowadays, it just I'll use

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and this isn't derogatory or negative.
I'll use my girlfriend in an example.

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She's two years younger than me,
and her she is just a helicopter parent,

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hovering over everything. And I laugh
and joke with her, and I

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tell her, I said, you
know, if I had to estimate my

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childhood, I would almost bet ninety
percent of my childhood was unaccounted for when

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it come to adult supervision. So
we were just everywhere. And my grandparents

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stay owned six hundred and sixty seven
acres. We had a farm doesn't work

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today. So we were everywhere,
and we had a river that run through

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the land, and we were just
we were all over. We were everywhere

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but the house. We were everywhere
but under a parent's nose. And like

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I said, you know, obviously
the Internet wasn't around, so there was

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none of that any type of information
we needed. He went to the library.

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I come from a town that's so
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we still had a malt shop in
the town we lived in at the

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drug store. We had the drug
store where people picked up their prescriptions,

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and we had a soda jerk there
the owner obviously, so we spend a

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lot of times there on the times
that I did spend in the city with

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my cousins or my friends. If
you wanted to know where all the kids

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in their neighborhood were, you went
out and looked for all the bicycles in

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the front yard. That's where the
kids were. So as far as the

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difference between growing up then and growing
up now is it's almost to the point

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of growing up on two different planets, Isn't that the truth? Yeah,

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it really was a different time back
then, but so many things have changed.

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I mean, we could do a
whole show on that. That's right.

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The world is getting smaller and smaller
and smaller. It is, Yeah,

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Slash podcast. The encounter we're going
to talk about tonight, Mark happened on

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your grandparents property you just told us
a few things about it, But what

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more can you tell us about it? I come from the Ozark Mountains,

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the foothills and the Ozark Mountains.
You have to go a little bit more

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to get into the full Ozarts.
But it's full of hills, it's full

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of woods. I would say less
than one hundred acres of that property was

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actual pasture land. And that was
just the stuff around the house. You

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know. The rest of the woods, you know, the cattle and stuff

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would stay there. One of the
things about it, when I was very

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very young, my grandfather had taken
me out. I was about ten when

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he passed away, so this would
have been the late seventies. He took

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us out. He took me out. He took me into this place,

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and to this day, I've tried
to find it and I can't find it.

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But I know it's there because I've
seen it. So he took me

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out and showed me what is basically, well, it's not basic to it.

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It's an Indian burial ground. I
would say there was anywhere from twenty

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to thirty burial grounds. And this
is I'm talking old stuff from probably the

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late maybe mid eighteen hundreds. Because
this was all Indian territory back in those

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days. And you know, we've
obviously moved this way and occupied this part

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of the country. So we had
that and all along the river that I

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was talking about runs through my grandparents
land. It's a lot of bottom land,

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it's a lot of open fields,
and these were big Indian settlements back

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in the day. You can walk
down on that river, you can just

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darn near reach down and just grab
a piece of gravel and you're going to

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find something that's Indian related, whether
it being an arrowhead or part of an

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arrowhead, or even maybe a spear, you know, the tip of the

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spear or something. The arrowheads and
the spear tips are obviously much different.

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So the place has a lot of
history, a lot of history that we

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don't know about, a lot of
history that imagine is just lost to time.

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Who knows. We also had the
state had come in and least several

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acres from my grandparents to quarry stone
and rocks, basically just for building highways

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and whatnot. I would say,
back in the eighties and early nineties,

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if you drove on a road in
northwest Arkansas, that gravel probably came from

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my grandparents quarry, so that and
with it being a farm, there's not

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a whole lot special about it.
Just the Indian history, I think,

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and the quarry, and just the
fact that we had enough room to run

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and do what we wanted to do. You're having over six dcres to run

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around and get into things. As
a kid's heaven to me when I was

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growing up, I would have been
all over that. Oh. We were

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definitely all over it, and we
were places we shouldn't have been, for

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sure. I'm sure you were.
Yeah, I would have been too.

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All right, Mark, please tell
us about your encounter. Now, give

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us every last detail that comes to
mind. Absolutely, this would have been

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in the late eighties, eighty seven, eighty eight, somewhere around there.

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Like I was saying before, you
know, we grew up on this land

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and we did a lot of honey, We did a lot of fishing,

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and during the summers, one of
the things that we would do is we

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would go down and on the river
we would set what's called a trot line

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or drop lines, jug lines,
things like this. And if you're not

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familiar with a trot line, it's
just it's a line. It's a nylon

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line that you run across the area
that you want to fish, and you

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bait it with whatever you're baiting it
with, whether it being the other little

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perch or liver or whatever it is
that you're going to bait it with,

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and you throw it down and it's
good for catching catfish. So we had

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run these lines and during the summer, I mean this was a daily thing.

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We spent our lives on that river. We spent almost every minute we

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had in the summer on that river. So we had run these lines and

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we were back home that night my
grandparents, and this was probably around midnight,

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and that's when we would check them. We would set them around,

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you know, before dark, and
we'd check them at midnight or around there,

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and then we'd go down at daybreak
and pull them up so that they

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could be said it later again that
night. So we were going down to

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check them, and this was about
midnight. Was myself, my brother,

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and my cousin. They're both younger
than me by about three years or so.

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So this road my grandparents house where
the now I don't know if this

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is important, it's not really,
but my grandfather had passed. He had

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passed in the early eighties and This
was eighty seven, eighty eight somewhere around

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there. So the road going up
to my grandparents was just an old dirt

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road. It had some gravel on
it that the state contracted with my grandparents

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to put on the road to keep
it a little less muddy. But that

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road just basically it ran into the
main road, which was a state road.

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But he got to understand though,
especially where I am from around here,

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there wasn't a lot of road maintenance
back there. It was just barely

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above a dirt road. You know. It was considered paved, but only

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during certain times of the year and
depending on how high the river got whether

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it washingtap thing out. So this
road is about probably about half a mile

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maybe a little bit further from my
grandparents down or to this other main road.

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Well, as you're walking down this
road towards the main road, the

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rock quarry is on your left now
because the state, at least this part,

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they had come in and put we
call them yard lights, I'm sure

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just basically street lights or whatever,
but they put up telephone poles. So

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as you got closer to that road
going into the quarry where all the heavy

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equipment went into the quarry and whatnot. There was probably I would say about

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five of those lights, maybe fifty
to one hundred feet apart. There'd be

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a light. One hundred feet there'd
be a light. One hundred feet there

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would be light. So this goes
down there's probably five of those to get

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to the road, and then on
the other side there's another five or so

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something like that. So it's well
lit. You can see these are big

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lightbulbs at light area, very very
well. So we're walking down this road

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and as we're coming up to the
entrance into this quarry, my cousin it

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was, I don't remember which one
it was, but one of the two

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said, hey, look and they
point and we can see sitting on the

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side of it there's a small berm, a dirt berm that kind of guess

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shielded the road from the quarry on
the inside. It was a man made

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deal. But there was also large
boulders on the side of this hill.

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Now this boulder had um the one
that it was sitting on. It was

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it was a little large boulder and
hawking, you know, several several tons

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that it just they just moved every
whatever for Again, I don't know,

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I don't know why they did it, but that's how it was. So

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they point and I look, and
we can see it looks like a coyote.

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But the problem is it's solid white. I mean, it's just solid

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white. It's down on all fours. And we thought, man, that's

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crazy. That's an Albano coyote.
You see albino everything, squirrels, raccoons.

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I mean, it's just you know, that little thing in nature.

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Every once in a while, nature
says, I forgot to throw some pigment

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in there, so that's what you
get. So we thought it was a

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coyote. Well, we have been
very diligent and keeping the coyote population non

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existing around there, and a lot
I hear a lot of people complain about

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killing coyotes about you know, oh, you guys are out there killing coyotes

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and it's tarat and you're skinning them, and you're selling the skin. And

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I'm not saying that they're not,
but I do not know anyone who just

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goes out and kills kyotes for the
skin. But if we're going to kill

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them, why not do something with
the skin, you know. And the

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state of Arkansas, the Arkansas Game
and Fish has classified coyotes as a nuisance

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animal, because that's what they are. They're a nuisance animal. They will

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kill chickens, they will kill your
dogs, they will kill cats. We've

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had neighbors the coyotes come right on
their porch and snatch a house animal like

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cat or a dog or whatever.
So anyone who's saying, oh, you

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guys are just being terrible killing these
animals, I assure you everything we did

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on the farm that came to taking
the life of an animal was for a

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specific purpose that either helped the farm
thrive or it was just something that had

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to be done. I don't know
anyone where we just we're going to just

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kill stuff. So the thing was
sitting there, and like I said,

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we thought it was an Albano cotty, and it was looking away from us,

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and we thought. And the thing
about a coyote's you just don't,

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especially when they're by themselves, you
don't get as close as we got to

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it. I would say we were
at most thirty yards away at most,

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and that might be a bit of
an exaggeration because it was pretty close and

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we're just looking and I said,
I wonder if something's wrong with I wonder

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if it's hurt if it's sick,
what's wrong with it? So we just

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stood and watched it for a minute. Well, I had a little twenty

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two pistol, and that's not gonna
kill a kywity. It's not gonna do

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anything but wounded in my crawl off
and die somewhere. But it's you're not

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going to stop the kyality or kill
a kality with a little twenty two matters

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factor. I think it was twenty
two short, so you're surely not going

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to do anything with those. So
I tell my cousin. He's standing to

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my right, and I thought,
all right, he's he can run,

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he can get And besides, I
guess maybe I was being lazy. I

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was older, so I get to
tell the younger kids what to do.

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I said, Hey, sneak back
up the road a bit until you're not

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gonna hear us, and then run
back to the house and grab that thirty

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thirty and come back down here because
I want to kill it. There was

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plenty of light to see, said, run there and grab that run of

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the house, grab the thirty thirty
and get back down here. And you

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know, my line of thought is
that thing something's wrong with it. It's

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just going to keep sitting there.
I barely got finished that sentence. I

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mean, barely finished that sentence,
and that thing just turned and looked.

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I want to say it snapped its
head like. I mean, it just

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looked. It turned and just looked
right at us. And the thing about

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it, I don't. Once it
looked at us, you knew it wasn't

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a coyote the second you looked at
it. It's like, that's not a

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coyote because it had a short snout. The snout was there, but it

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was kind of short. Um.
I guess maybe I would not like a

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German shepherd, maybe like a pitbull
or something like that. I'm it just

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wasn't real long and it but it
had the big pointed ears like a German

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shepherd up on its head. Um. That's the best I can describe it.

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It just had that short snout.
It didn't you couldn't see its teeth

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or anything. And it just turned
and looked at us. And I don't

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think I know. I didn't say
anything, And if those boys said anything,

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I did not hear it. I
was just locked looking on this thing

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and it's staring at us. I
cannot tell you how much time went by.

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It might have been a second,
it might have been a minute,

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I don't know, but it felt
like an eternity in my mind, I

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guess. And this thing I keep
saying thing, and that I just as

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silly as this sounds, it sounds
offensive to save thing, because if you

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could have felt what we were,
at least what I was feeling, you

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wouldn't call it a thing. I'm
using this as an example, but it's

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how I'm want to describe it,
but it's not what it was. If

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you ever crack your knuckles all at
the same time, and that sound that

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you get when you crack your knuckles
all at the same time, that's the

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sound. I don't know where it
came from. It was like it kind

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of moved forward, I mean just
a little bit, like maybe one little

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paw kind of went forward a little
bit, and then you heard this that

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crack, like knuckles popping. And
it wasn't like the thing was hurt.

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It didn't seem like it was hurt, and it just it just stood straight

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up on that rock or boulder,
whatever you want to call it. It

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just stood straight up. It looked
it never took its eye, it never

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stopped looking our way, and it
walked to the edge of this rock.

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Now, the edge of this rock
was only maybe maybe two or three feet

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I'll go with three feet from the
top of this rock to the ground.

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And it was a hill. It
wasn't a huge slope. Maybe I'd give

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it somewhere around the twenty degree slope
something like this. It wasn't a terribly

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steep incline. It comes to the
edge and it just hops off like it

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just I don't know, like a
person, like it literally like a person,

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and it just hops off and it's
standing there. It didn't go back

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down on fours. Well I say, it's just standing there. It hopped

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off and it just kept walking and
it just walked down the hill onto the

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road. But it just walked like
that was It's everyday normal way of getting

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around. It was just like I'm
bipedal, and this is what I'm going

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to This is how I get around. I don't know. I don't know

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why I was on all fours,
who knows. But it just gets up

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and it just walks down and it
just walks right to the road. And

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when it gets to the road.
Now again, this is a dirt road,

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so you know it's oh gosh,
I shouldn't. Might have been twenty

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twenty foot wide, maybe something big
enough for the big equipment to get up

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and down it. It just walks
the road and it just keeps walking,

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or walks right to the middle of
the road. Obviously I didn't know as

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far as a kid, but I
think back on it. I spent twenty

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years in a military. I know
what a soldier looks like when a soldier

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is marching, and this thing looked
like it was marching. It wasn't swinging

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its arms or anything, but just
the way it was walking, it seemed

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the way it was marching. And
it just got to the middle of the

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road and it just did almost it
just did a complete right face and was

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looking right. I mean just a
complete right face, just like a soldier

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would do and when they stop and
they make that right or left face.

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It just did a perfect right face. I remember I could see its legs

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the way it was walking versus how
it should have been walking. How the

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legs were looking. It looked like
a German shepherd standing up on its hind

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legs. And I've had plenty of
germant I got German shepherd right now,

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and you put that German shepherd up
on its hind legs. He's he's like,

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oh dud, my little dancing better
thing and walk, but he's awkward

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and weird. This thing was just
perfectly okay. And that's exactly what the

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legs look like. It looked like
how you know, how the thigh kind

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of goes out and then it bent
back, and then the legs went the

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the the femur bone, I guess
it went back down towards its toes,

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you know, And I can't it's
I couldn't tell really what its feet looked

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like. I couldn't tell if it
was feet with you know, like long

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coves, if it was a paw. I could not see what the feet

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looked like. The hands, I
could tell that they had their were long

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fingers. I had a thumb.
I could tell there was a thumb.

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It had the four fingers. It
kind of looked like maybe it had some

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sort of claws, but it wasn't
like overly exaggerated. The claws were there,

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but they just they were there.
That's all you can really say about

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is that they were there. This
thing was completely white, I mean white

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white. But when it turned,
when it turned, it was facing us.

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It had a perfect diamond right in
the middle of its chest. I

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mean perfect. Like you see these
animals that you know you'll have, they'll

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have certain spots or whatever, and
these the spot if it's a black and

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a black animal with a white spot, it'll have some black hairs kind of

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growing around the lines, and it'll
be some white hairs got into the black.

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This one like it was like it
was spray painted on there. I

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know that. I don't know how
that sounds, but it was like it

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was. It was like it was
spray cand on. It was just perfect.

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It was a perfect and jet black
diamond. And this thing was just

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white. It didn't show its teeth, and it didn't snarl, it didn't

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growl, it didn't raise its arms
in any way. Its eyes. I've

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heard other guests who were speaking and
they talked about these yellow eyes. They

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didn't have yellow eyes, and if
it did, I didn't notice them.

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They looked human. I mean this
thing when it stood there and was looking

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at us, it was it was
like the thing was trying to speak.

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I mean it was almost like I'm
going to say something. Stand by and

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wait for it. That's just how
that feeling had and there was a I

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need to back up and say that
when that thing came down, there was

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no fear, Like there was absolutely
no fear, at least for me.

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I had no fear of this thing. It wasn't I wasn't like, oh

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man, this thing's gonna turn and
it's just gonna get us. There was

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no fear. There was a familiarity
there there. And I know that sounds

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crazy. I don't know how it
sounds, but it was like I knew

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the thing, like well not maybe
not know it, but there was something

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there is like it just seemed familiar
and it just stood there and all it

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did was look at us. It
just stared at us. And a few

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days later after it was I think
it was the next day and my brother

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and I were talking my cousin as
well, and you know, I told

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him, I say, hey,
look, basically, it's like that thing

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is like it never took its eye. It's like it made eye contact with

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me. My brother says, yeah, it made It's like we had ye

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contact. Well that's not possible.
It can't be making hawk contact with all

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three of us at the same time. But my brother my cousin are both

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are saying Yeah, it was like
it was looking right in my eyes.

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And that's how I felt. It
was like it was looking right in my

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eyes. But it's impossible. It
could not have been looking at all.

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Three it was dead in the face
at the same time. But that's how

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it was. It's the whole The
whole time it was standing there, it

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was like it was looking me right
in the face. Right. Oh no,

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I don't know if this is It
was like it was just it was

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like it was examining my soul.
I felt like I was standing it felt

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like I was being judged. That's
I don't like I was being judged.

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Like this thing was like, hmmm, let's see what went on in your

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past. Let's see what kind of
person you are, my cousin, it's

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kind. He is just the typical
and I don't mean this derogatory. He

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is the typical redneck. I mean
the boy couldn't find his way out of

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a wet paper bag, you know, he could not figure out how to

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open a door. But you could
take him outside and tell him to strip

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that motor down and put it back
together, and he would take a motor

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apart and put it back together.
Hard working, the most hard working kid.

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I mean he to this day,
he's still this hard working kid,

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but just dumb to him as a
bag of bricks, and it's not you

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just gotta know and understand that that's
not an insult. And he's always been

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that way from what I can remember. So I notice him from the corner

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of my eye and he's bending down, but I don't look at him.

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I'm looking at this. I'm looking
at whatever's in front of him. Like

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I said, this is a graveled
road, it has grabbing rocks. Whatever

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you're gonna call him, And so
I guess, guess, and to it

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he did. He picked up a
rock and he throws it. He throws

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it at this animal. He doesn't
overhand it. He throws it like if

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you've ever skipped a rock. Anybody's
ever skipped a rock? How you just

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just snap your wrist and you throw
it from a side angle, you know,

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you throw it with that side snap
he threw. He throws this rock

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like that. And you can see
this rock and it's headed, you can

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see it in a lot in that
artificial light from those street lamps or whatever

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they're called, and it's going and
as this thing is, as this rock

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is on target, headed down there. I mean it's headed rock towards this

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thing. It jumps, I mean
it jumped straight in the air, not

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a foot, not too foot.
This thing had to have jumped at least

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twice. It's high. And that's
the other thing. It wasn't. Man,

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I can't I don't know if I
can judge how tall it was.

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But it wasn't like this tall creature
it was. It was Paul. I

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would say six feet, but not
sixty three sixty four, I would say

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that would be the hythe and I
think if I if I went with sixty

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four, I'm probably exaggerating. I
would say it was right around sixty he

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throws this rock. That thing jumped
straight. It's just jumped. I mean

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like it was on a spring or
it just launched straight up in the air.

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And that rock, you know,
honestly, it went right underneath it.

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And this is the part that I
really don't know if I remember it

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the correct way, because it just
seems I don't know. Everything about that

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seemed unreal. But I mean it
was there and standing there. But anyway,

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this thing when it jumped up,
it's funny now, wasn't funny then?

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Because when it jumped up, the
entire atmosphere it just changed. It

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went from everything's fine to just heart
stopping fear. We got run. But

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this thing jumped straight up in the
air, and like I said, I

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don't know if I'm just remembering this
wrong, but it's what I remember.

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It was like if anybody's ever watched
Scooby Doo or any cartoon where something jumps

409
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,359
and its legs are running before it
hits the ground, It's like that's what

410
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,599
the thing was doing. It jumped, it just strapping air, and its

411
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,720
legs were just they were getting it. I mean they were at it.

412
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,000
They were getting it before they even
hit the ground. I didn't let it

413
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:35,599
hit the ground. When that thing
went up and that fear kicked in,

414
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,480
I said, that's it, I'm
out. I ran track in school,

415
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:43,640
so I was not worried about out
running no cigarette smoking fools. I knew

416
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,799
they weren't gonna out run me.
So I was just thinking, I just

417
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,119
got to get ahead of these boys. You know, I'm gonna sacrifice the

418
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,359
week because I didn't know what this
thing was doing. And I was a

419
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,200
kid and I didn't know any better. So I turned around, I ran

420
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,960
and I mean I was running and
we were probably I would say at least

421
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,599
a quarter of a mile from the
house. Well, as you're as you

422
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,559
leave that quarry area where they go
into the where it goes in, the

423
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,360
road goes up and then it makes
a dog leg back to the left.

424
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,239
It just curves back around to the
left, and then the rest of that

425
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,239
road is just a straight shot to
my grandparents house. After my grandfather had

426
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,639
passed away, my grandmother crunter,
you know, I can't don't want to

427
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,079
live in the house anymore. So
she left the old house on the hill,

428
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,320
on the top of the hill,
and she went down probably about I

429
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,000
don't know, two hundred yards from
the old house, and she had a

430
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,119
new house built mountain there. So
that's when she was living. But the

431
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:50,119
old house my uncle, so her
daughter was living there, her husband,

432
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,559
so my uncle by marriage, he
and my aunt were living there in that

433
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:58,599
house. Well, like I said, it's mid nike, He's everybody's asleep

434
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,280
already. But for whatever, when
we come up that road, I mean

435
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,519
we're yelling. I mean I'm yelling. I'm yelling from my uncle, I'm

436
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,840
yelling from my grandmother. I'm yelling
forever that thing's right behind me or at

437
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,559
least you know. But after we
got there, it wasn't a feeling like

438
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,239
the thing was chasing us. I
didn't feel like it was chasing us,

439
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:21,320
but I didn't look either. So
as I'm running up the road, I

440
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,079
can see that the porch light is
on, and I can see that my

441
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:28,440
uncle is on the porch, and
I mean, we're getting it up through

442
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,480
there and we're yelling. He was
like, hey, it's chasing us.

443
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,320
It's chasing us. It's chasing us. And he's like, what And the

444
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,960
world is wrong with you? Boys? What are you doing? And we

445
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:43,280
get up there and said, you
know, this is this thing is chasing

446
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,119
us. This is what it is. This is what we saw. And

447
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,159
of course, I'm sure we were
very animated, and I know we were

448
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,159
very excited. And he was like, you boys, He's like, what

449
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:55,440
is wrong with me? And he
said, I don't know what you saw,

450
00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:00,320
but you you probably saw a kyote
or you saw somebody's dog. And

451
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,400
we're trying to explain it to him
and he is adamant at it. He's

452
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,840
like and it was like he was
trying to convince himself that we didn't see

453
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,800
what we saw. And finally he
said, you boys, get down to

454
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,119
the house, get in bed and
knocking nonsense on. So we did.

455
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:22,199
We You know, I was on
a down henry yard block. So we

456
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,639
booged our little butts on down the
hill a little bit and got into my

457
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:35,719
grandmother's and there was no going to
sleep, and we stayed up all night,

458
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:43,000
I mean all night. And it
when our yearest neighbor might be three

459
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:47,039
it probably further, but at minimum
of three miles. So when I tell

460
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:52,119
you that he can go outside in
our barn, the barn. Now,

461
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,559
at this point in the time after
my grandfather passed, the farm was non

462
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,960
producing, as in, we only
reduced what we needed for the farm.

463
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:06,760
So we didn't have a lot.
We weren't selling anything anymore. We weren't

464
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,679
producing anything outside what we use.
So we still had rabbits for eating,

465
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,280
We had chickens, had a few
hogs, you know, typical farm animal

466
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:22,320
stuff. Well, even at night, these animals they'll scurry, and especially

467
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,239
like if a fox or something like
that is trying to get into the barn.

468
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,639
Oh, those animals are gonna make
some rucis and you're gonna know they're

469
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,159
there because they're you know, they're
saying, hey, hey guys, anyway,

470
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,519
gume, come o here and take
care of this. But if it's

471
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:40,760
a super if it's a really big
predator aim, if it's a predator animal,

472
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,920
an animal that's just gonna you know, rip the cage apart or something,

473
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,719
those things will get very quiet.
They won't make a sound, even

474
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,480
the chickens, until you actually disturb
them. They will just be very very

475
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:58,760
quiet. And that was the thing. After we got back, we would

476
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,199
go outside and look and we would
listen, and there was nothing. There

477
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,119
wasn't a cricket, there was not
a whipper wheel, there was not a

478
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:12,360
frog croaking in the pond. It
was quiet. And anybody who's spent any

479
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,280
time in the woods knows that the
woods are not quiet. Even at night,

480
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,400
they're not quiet. There is something
going on when the woods are quiet.

481
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,840
That's when you better be quiet.
When the woods are quiet, you

482
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,679
better sit down, you better go
inside if you can. If you can't,

483
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,960
then you set your butt down and
you'd be as quiet as you can

484
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,840
and you don't move either. That's
I mean, that's just how the woods

485
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,239
are. If it's quiet, there's
something out there, and you can go.

486
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,599
Like I said, it's just how
nature works. Nature is great.

487
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:46,039
You can go out in the woods
and you can trump through the woods,

488
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:52,119
and unless you just start banging on
trees or breaking stuff, just being an

489
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,360
absolute menace, the crickets are still
going to chirp, the whipper wheels are

490
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,480
still going to let you know what's
going on. They're still going to be

491
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:06,119
annoying. The wood's good quiet when
something's going on. And that's what it

492
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,480
was all night long. Now this
was the summer, so you know the

493
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:14,519
sun's starting to come up. About
six o'clock is when the sun's really up.

494
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,280
But from this encounter, like I
said, it was right around midnight.

495
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,119
It might have been a little before
midnight. I'm not sure, but

496
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,119
that was about the time that we
went and checked those lines. So we

497
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:29,960
were probably back in the house.
I promise you no later than twelve thirty.

498
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,719
So you've got all that time from
the time we were back and we

499
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,199
didn't sleep, and we would go
outside. We would open windows, maybe

500
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,679
crack open a door and step out
on the porch and listen, but we

501
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,119
did not. There was nothing,
not a sound. The barn was quiet,

502
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,880
the pond was quiet, the woods
were quiet, and when you were

503
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,320
out there, it just felt like
something was watching you. I mean just

504
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:04,719
that thing where the hackles on the
back of your neck stand up and you

505
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,440
know that something is looking at you, and something is like, give me

506
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,039
an opportunity and see what happens to
you. So we didn't venture far,

507
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,360
but we would got there and listen. It got to the point, this

508
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:21,239
is I don't know it was.
We've been back, we've been home for

509
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,480
a few hours. I went out
on the porch and just in a normal

510
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,119
voice. I didn't say it real
loud. I didn't won't wake up my

511
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,079
grandmother or anything. I was afraid
she was gonna wake up anyway, and

512
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,639
that would have been a bad deal
because she had to be a church in

513
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,639
Sunday, and that would have been
a bad deal. She probably would have

514
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,599
killed us and we wouldn't had to
worry about whatever it was we saw.

515
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,719
But I walked outside and I just
said more voice. I said, look,

516
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,840
I'm sorry, we are sorry.
We did not mean anything. There

517
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,039
was no harm. We did not
mean to offend you. I probably said

518
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,679
something different back then, but we
did not mean to fend you. We

519
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,519
did not mean any harm. I'm
obviously paraphrase, and I don't remember exactly

520
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,679
what I said. I that's what
I said, and I just did there

521
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,559
for a second. Nothing changed,
The air didn't change, the atmosphere didn't

522
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:15,440
change. I said, Okay,
good night, please, I'm going to

523
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,679
go in the house. And I
just went in the house and we never

524
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,679
went back outside. The next morning, we went down to see if there

525
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,519
was like maybe well, I say, next morning it's probably or along the

526
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:34,599
afternoon timeline. But we went down
to see if maybe there was prints or

527
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,079
maybe even if there was some sort
of scatter something up there or was sitting

528
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,320
on the rock. But there was
nothing. There was literally nothing. But

529
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,840
then again, I mean that's not
unusual because like I said, this road

530
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,440
was it had grabbl on it.
I mean you could reach down and pick

531
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,760
up a handful of gravel, so
even if it was raining, it would

532
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,000
probably didn't very unlikely that there was
any type of track or anything. But

533
00:41:54,039 --> 00:42:00,639
there was no scat, there was
no marks on any trees. It was

534
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:06,039
just normal. And I have never
had that experience again. And other than

535
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,920
the two times I was talking about
trying to other than my brother and my

536
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,159
cousin, I say, there's those
times we send I talk about it.

537
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,760
We haven't talked about in a long
time. My brother, he's to the

538
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:22,119
point to where I guess maybe this
is I don't know, maybe a couple

539
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,480
of years ago. I said,
do you remember that thing we saw?

540
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,159
And he said, you know,
we see a lot of things at night,

541
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,360
don't we. And that was end
of He's just like I knew,

542
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,679
he didn't want to talk about it. Where I live now, it's still

543
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:38,119
in the woods. I have a
few neighbors around me, but they're definitely

544
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:42,079
a lot closer than they were when
I was growing up. I mean,

545
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:49,320
I can actually see a couple of
neighbors houses. This is an old Indian

546
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,119
place too. Just around the corner
from us. There's a federally protected Indian

547
00:42:55,199 --> 00:43:00,480
site where they call him the Bluff
Dwellers. It's not like the stuff out

548
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,559
in Arizona where you got them building
all these crazy mudhouses and stuff way up.

549
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:08,679
These are just I'm wanting to say
that ze watchitah or something like that.

550
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,039
I don't know. I'm I'm getting
the name completely wrong. I'm one

551
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:17,440
hundred percent European. Theres We did
a DNA test and I am absolutely one

552
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:22,840
hundred percent European. So I have
no spiritual connection to this stuff. And

553
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,760
my ignorance is just you would think
that because I live here and grew up

554
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,280
here, I would try to get
more in touch with this stuff around here,

555
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:37,360
but I just I'm just ignorant when
it comes to it. They have

556
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,199
a place down there and it's bluff
dwellers, and it's federally protected and you

557
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,280
can go down there, but you
can't walk. I don't all that good

558
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,119
stuff. And then just up the
road from me, my neighbor bought some

559
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,360
land up there, whatever we're gonna
call it, and they built a house

560
00:43:52,880 --> 00:44:01,000
and they're from Wisconsin or something like
that. And when I say my ignorance

561
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:06,159
about the Native Americans around here,
oh, I'm a walking encyclopedia compared to

562
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:10,000
these guys. They've known nothing and
I know nothing. But he was like,

563
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:13,119
hey, look at what I found
here. And you get the looking.

564
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:17,480
And it's a flint pit. It's
a pit where they made their arrowheads

565
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,599
and whatever it was. So I
mean, and it's just deep. You

566
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:24,599
can get it. It's broken arrowheads, is what it is. We've dug

567
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:28,519
around in it quite a bit and
we've never found anything of any value.

568
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:30,280
Other than oh, look that one's
broken. That one didn't make it.

569
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:37,760
So this is a place it has
that heritage as well. The Indians were

570
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,480
all over some of this land that
I own back here. I don't know.

571
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,880
Again, I feel dumb because it's
just my ignorance. I have to

572
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,239
try to give a description to that. What it's called. The Indians back

573
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,320
in the day, they would take
a sapling and they would bend it over

574
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,320
and tie it to the ground with
a leather strap or whatever, and then

575
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,840
that's how that tree would grow.
It would grow up, but it would

576
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,559
be bent over. That the tree
would point towards a trail, or it

577
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,599
would point towards water, and so
you see that trail and you're like,

578
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,280
okay, well I gotta go.
They would bend it so that it pointed

579
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,639
to the direction that you're supposed to
go to find a trail or find water

580
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,159
or whatever. And you can go
back here. Some of this land a

581
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,679
lot, and there's several of those
trees back there. They are old.

582
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:22,719
They're old, old, old trees
been old and it's been over. So

583
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,159
that's a long way around. The
barn is saying there's a lot of Bandian

584
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,920
activity around here. I tell you
all that to tell you this. I

585
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:37,599
have a malamute husky mix. This
is not a little dog. I think

586
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,159
he weighed in at one hundred and
thirteen last time I took him to the

587
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,719
vet, and the last time I
took him to that was a couple months

588
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,440
ago. I think he's a big
dog, but he's a baby. This

589
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,800
guy, he just wants to go. The worst thing that my dog has

590
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,320
ever done. I let him out
one day and he went down to the

591
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,480
neighbor's house and he stole back of
chicken wings out there. It's signing down.

592
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:04,440
I gave him twenty bucks for ten
chicken wings. But that's the worst

593
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,639
thing's ever done. This dog does
not want to be in the house.

594
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,800
I mean, he does not want
to be in the house. So I'll

595
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,559
let him out. Mostly, I'll
let him out at night because we're getting

596
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,679
a lot of people that are moving
in here, and they're coming from other

597
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,639
places, and they just don't understand
that dogs run around here, so they

598
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,800
like to complain. So I've got
to where I'm letting him out at night.

599
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,679
And this has been going on for
about it about two years or so.

600
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,880
Some nights you come out here the
crickets are chirping the nights, just

601
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,920
being beautiful. The animals are doing
what they do out here. Possums are

602
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,199
running around the yard, and raccoons
are tearing up your trash can and it's

603
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:50,119
just normal stuff. And you'll let
I let Forest out and he goes and

604
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:53,039
he does his business and he comes
home a few hours later. There are

605
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:58,400
some nights I will walk out here
and it will be quiet, and it's

606
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,400
just like that quiet from when I
was a kid, when that experience happened.

607
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,320
It's just like that quiet. And
I'll say, Forrest, you want

608
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,559
to go outside? And he is
like, no, I'm good, Yeah,

609
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:13,599
you know what, Hey, yeah, you know what. I gotta

610
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,519
go peete, but I want to
do it right here in front of the

611
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:20,880
bush. And he'll come out,
he'll do his business and foom right back

612
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,840
in the house and you walk out
here, and like I was saying,

613
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,320
it's just that feeling that you have
when I was a kid when all that

614
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,800
stuff happened. Just like, man, something is out here now. It

615
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,400
could be coyotes. We have a
lot of coyotes around here, but they're

616
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,000
just it just it feels different.
I don't know how to describe it.

617
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:49,440
It just feels completely different. When
we were talking before, I never had

618
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,599
because, like I said, until
my bonehead cousin through that rock, there

619
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,840
was no fear about this thing.
We weren't worried, we weren't scared.

620
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:00,920
But when he threw that rock,
that just the fiercit in it. So,

621
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,239
like I said, this old girl
that I was dating when I was

622
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,000
when I first went in the military, you know, we're laughing about the

623
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:13,039
silver bullets part, and I'm like, that's just not how it is.

624
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,599
And I always just thought like that
the Werewolf movies. I didn't see American

625
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:22,400
Werewolf in London until oh my gosh, I think that movie came out in

626
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,440
like eighty one or eighty two,
and I think I saw that in like

627
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:29,880
ninety five or ninety six. My
grandparents are Catholic. I was raised Catholic.

628
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,880
There's no room for nonsense, there's
no room for fairy tales and things

629
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,280
like that, and there's short no
room in her house for any of those

630
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,719
types of movies. So I was
never really allowed to watch that stuff growing

631
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,480
up. And I'm Catholic too,
I'm a very devout Catholic. So I'm

632
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,519
poking at her, but I'm not
poking at her when she said, now,

633
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,280
you're not gonna have that double stuff
in here, and she meant it.

634
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,719
And so I was never allowed to
watch that stuff. But you watch

635
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,079
those movies, and I always thought, I'm like man, and I had

636
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,920
no reference to the dog Man.
I had no idea what a dog man

637
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:12,320
was until it maybe two or three
years ago. And you know, I

638
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,280
kind of thing. I saw a
couple of movies and they've made reference to

639
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,880
the dog Man or whatever. And
then somehow, and I'm sorry for this,

640
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,840
but somehow I stumbled across your podcast. I wasn't looking for, but

641
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:30,239
somehow I stumbled across it, and
I tried every night to listen to an

642
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,760
episode. My point is that until
I started listening to your episode, I

643
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,920
never believe the far road. I
was still was like, oh yeah,

644
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,480
we definitely saw a wearabool, because
that's what we thought. That was the

645
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:50,960
only reference I had until we got
to the dog Man, where I was

646
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,199
like, okay, what's this.
But I always was like, man,

647
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,559
this is crazy. I don't understand
how this works. But my only again,

648
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:01,920
my only reference was a wearabol So
I would watch these movies and I

649
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,039
was like, that's just not how
it is. Those things are not violent.

650
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,960
They do not attack you, they
do not come after you. So

651
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,920
I was under this belief for a
very long time up until just a few

652
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:22,239
years ago, I think. And
I listened to episode ninety and ninety one

653
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,159
and that's when it was episode talking
about these attacks, and I thought,

654
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,679
man, that is crazy because obviously
if somebody is attacking, killed or notton,

655
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,039
they'll tell that story. So the
only story is gonna get out of

656
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:39,199
people that survive it or just have
the encounter or whatever. And it really

657
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:45,280
started resonating with me. Wow,
we might have been very lucky that night.

658
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,840
We might have been like that thing
just wasn't hungry, or that thing

659
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:53,559
didn't want to hurt if it wanted
to hurt us. There is no doubt

660
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,960
if that thing wanted to chase us
and catch us, it would have had

661
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,199
us, and it would have had
us well for that dog leg in that

662
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,639
road, because we were a good
quarter of a mile from that house,

663
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,199
and I'm sure it could have just
poured through all three of us. But

664
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,199
again, we did not have that
fear. At least I didn't have that

665
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:17,719
fear. I'm just I'm at a
loss. I'm really at a point where

666
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,679
I'm trying to understand. I know
what I saw. Even though people tell

667
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,800
me you're crazy, you didn't.
Well, a few times I've told it,

668
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,639
so I can't say that. A
lot of people put my uncle when

669
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:32,119
he said, oh, you good
boys are crazy. What are you doing

670
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:37,199
out there? Where'd you get a
hold of I'm at this point to where

671
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,679
I am trying to understand what in
the world I saw, If this thing

672
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,079
is dangerous, if this thing is
just I don't know, I don't know.

673
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:52,280
I'm just I'm just confused. But
I guess that's basically the sum of

674
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,800
my encounter. You hadn't heard about
dog Man back when you had that experience,

675
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:01,119
But have you heard about Sasquatch back
then? Yes, they didn't call

676
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:08,719
it sasquatch. I'm going to mess
this up. They called it something like

677
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,599
an oogie boogie or something like this, And I know that just sounds silly,

678
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:21,159
but that was what they called it. They had down in around Texarkana,

679
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,880
Arkansas, the Legend of Boggy Creek
or something like that. And now

680
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,840
this movie came out in the seventies
too. When people would talk about this

681
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,880
thing, no one was really worried
about it, if that makes anything.

682
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,679
I mean, the people are like, oh, yeah, I saw it.

683
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:43,599
There's my barn door was ripped open
last night and munch of my chickens

684
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:47,239
were killed. I would tell my
grandmother I'm going somewhere, and she would

685
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,679
say, be careful, keep your
wits about you, because the blacks had

686
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:58,119
some sheep killed last night and they
don't know what killed it. I never

687
00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:00,519
saw it. I heard of the
stuff. I never saw it. And

688
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:05,400
we've got the old timers around there
who would tell you that this thing is

689
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,000
there. And like I said,
it's the Ozark Mountains. There's things out

690
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:13,559
here. I don't know if this
is like I was saying. When I

691
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,320
was growing up on my grandparents land. This was you know, years and

692
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:21,000
years before I ever had this encounter. You would hear stuff way off in

693
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:22,760
the woods. I mean, I
can tell you several times when we were

694
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,559
outside at night doing whatever it was
kids were doing at night, and you

695
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:31,559
would hear off in the distance of
how, I mean a how, and

696
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:35,800
you're like, what in the world
is that? Because, like I said,

697
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,199
I didn't have any reference to wear
wolves or dog men. I didn't

698
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:44,320
know anything about that. I mean, I knew what a werewolf was because,

699
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,519
like I said, we had a
soda shop at the drug store where

700
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:52,119
I grew up, and they sold
comics. And I know, the younger

701
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:57,760
folks listening to this guys, it
was different back then. We we looked

702
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,239
at comics and we got a lot
of our at least where I'm from,

703
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:06,199
we read our monsters and stuff from
comics. So I had understanding of it.

704
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,599
But also my understanding of the wherewolf
was long Cheney junior. You know,

705
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:15,079
where you just had that flat nose
and some hair growing out of this

706
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:17,719
zer. So I never had that
reference. But you would hear that stuff

707
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,679
when I was growing up a few
different times. You could hear that how

708
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,199
but it was way way. Like
I said, my grandparents had hundreds of

709
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:30,360
acres, and especially in these haulers
that think of how and it might be

710
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,039
behind you. You might hear it
over here in front of you, but

711
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:36,800
that thing might have been coming from
behind you. You just don't know where

712
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,519
it's coming from. But it never
really scared us. Didn't scare me anyway.

713
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,719
But I guess that's again, that's
the long answer to your question.

714
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,679
Apologize, No apology required, Thank
goodness, it didn't frighten you as much

715
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,719
as some of my witnesses have to
deal with because of their experiences. You

716
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,719
went out and looked for prince the
next day, you said, but did

717
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,039
you actually go out seeking out another
experience with it? Oh god, no,

718
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,880
uh no, no, no,
no, no, no, no,

719
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:14,159
no, no there there there no. I guess that's the short answer.

720
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,400
No. And when we did go
out that See, I can't really

721
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,360
call these experiences because, like I
said, we live out here and people

722
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:27,440
will tell you. You will tell
game and fish. I saw a panther

723
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,480
and they are like, you are
crazy. There's no panthers around here.

724
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:37,079
But I'm telling you there are.
Our dogs have treedom. There are things

725
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,360
in the dark out there. There
has been times, I mean after this

726
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:45,360
encounter, you would hear something.
We'd be on the river camping or whatever,

727
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,800
and across the way you would hear
something, and so you would shine

728
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,199
your light over there and you would
get that, um it's called eyeshine.

729
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:57,480
You get that eyeshine and you're thinking, man, that thing, whatever that

730
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,960
is, is not little. And
you could really tell, because it would

731
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,639
be across the river, but you
could tell that that sucker was not on

732
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,280
the ground. That he was up
higher, but again, it was nothing.

733
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:14,519
Every anything that ever felt dangerous,
you could just ignore it. Mind

734
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:16,559
your business mostly how everything is in
the woods. You mind your business and

735
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:21,760
it's going to mind its business.
So I don't know if those were encounters

736
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,960
or not, but I definitely have
seen eyes in the dark that I was

737
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:29,559
like, I don't know what that
is, and I don't care to find

738
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:31,639
out. And if it wants to
tell me what it is, that's just

739
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,119
it telling me. It wants me
to get in the canoe and get on

740
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:39,519
down the road and out of its
purview. So no, I never I'm

741
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,800
it's weird. I'm not afraid of
them. After listening to ninety ninety one,

742
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,719
I'm like, this is crazy,
but I'm still I don't want to

743
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,800
see it again. But I'm not
afraid, if that makes any sense.

744
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,280
And I'm sure not going to walk
into the woods on those nights that it

745
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,719
feels like something's out there. I'm
not going out there. So no,

746
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,639
I do not want to have another
experience. I always tell people to listen

747
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:08,000
to your instincts, So yeah,
I'm glad you're doing that. You described

748
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:12,719
it as having a white coat mark, but what kind of condition was it's

749
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,440
coat in It seemed clean. And
again I don't mean to offend anyone.

750
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,280
When you kill coyote, you know
that it's been sleeping in a den.

751
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:28,400
You know that it's just full of
dirt. It's just dirty, because that's

752
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,800
what kyodies do. They sleep in
the den, and they're you know,

753
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,280
they're brown, the color of a
kylody. They're just brown. And you

754
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,000
can still see that dirt on on
this thing. It was just like it

755
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:47,159
was snow. It was it was
very it was hypnotizing, I guess,

756
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:52,280
you know, it almost and again
it's been so long ago, I don't

757
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:58,280
know if I'm remembering this correctly,
but it almost felt like there was a

758
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,360
glow about it, if that makes
any sense. It wasn't glowing, but

759
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:09,199
it felt like that, but it
was. The fur was clean. It's

760
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:15,039
just with that black diamond ride in
its chest. I don't know how to

761
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,599
explain it, but yeah, that
appearance of a super clean coat's not unprecedented

762
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:22,920
when it comes to sasquatch or dog
men. If you've had a dog me

763
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,840
an encounter, would like to speak
with me about it, whether I'm private

764
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,119
or on this show, please go
to dog Mean encounters dot com and submit

765
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:34,559
a report. If you've had a
bigfoot sighting and would like to be a

766
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,639
guest on one of my two bigfoot
shows, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting

767
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:43,079
dot com and let me know.
Did you ever see a tail on it?

768
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:49,119
You know, I can't remember seeing
one. I would think that if

769
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,440
it had a tail, that would
have been something that would have stuck out.

770
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:59,119
But again I can't those eyes when
it looked at us from that rock,

771
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,760
it was like you were just locked
on it from the time that it

772
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,760
stood up. You're just looking at
it. I mean, I remember,

773
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:14,639
I remember the legs, and I
remember the arms because, like I said,

774
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,920
it's that thing where you're like,
how is that thing moving so fluid?

775
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:22,960
You know, always like that just
looks normal. But I can't tell

776
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,800
you if it how to tail or
not. I want to go with if

777
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,760
it did it did not have a
big one, because I'm positive I would

778
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,000
have noticed it. It would have
really stuck out. So I'm gonna go

779
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,800
with I don't know. No,
I believe you if it did have one,

780
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,920
I bet you would have noticed it, considering the way it moved,

781
00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:45,880
almost as if it was marching.
Do you think that lends credence to the

782
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,239
claim some people have made about them
being government experiments. You know, I

783
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:59,119
don't know, I don't know,
it's I don't know. I mean,

784
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,760
wow, that's just a whole other
conversation about the stuff that the government's involved

785
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:13,880
in. The fact that it felt
so intelligent it tells me that it makes

786
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,000
me feel I'd say, it tells
me that's not true. But the fact

787
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:22,719
that that intelligence felt that it felt
intelligent, I think. I mean you,

788
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:29,639
the military trains dogs. The military
trains German shepherds and every other dog

789
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,280
to do all kinds of stuff that
you wouldn't think a dog was smart enough

790
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:39,880
to do. So if it's some
sort of military experiment, it wouldn't surprise

791
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,840
me, just because the military is
good at what they do. They're good

792
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,800
at what they do, and they're
good at hiding what they do. The

793
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:52,400
only reason I wouldn't think that that's
the military experiment is, like I said,

794
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,800
I'm in Those aren't mountains. The
nearest military base to US is Fort

795
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:04,960
Chaffee, which is around Fort Smith, and that's an artillery range out there.

796
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,480
It's got a little bit of history
with I believe I think it was

797
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,119
a I know it was a pow
camp in the war, but I don't

798
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:17,079
know who they kept there. There
was some stuff that went on with Cuba,

799
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:22,079
but it's I don't think they could
hide that type of stuff at Fort

800
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:27,519
Chaffee. I don't think they have
the ability to be clandestine there. So

801
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:31,760
if that came from somewhere, if
that's a military experiment, it has to

802
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:38,719
come from a much larger facility,
and I would not understand how or why

803
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,400
it would be in this area.
How far is Fort Chaffey from you?

804
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:52,960
Oh? Fort Chaffee is, as
the crow flies, one hundred miles.

805
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:57,360
That seems like a good distance,
but not for a dog man, So

806
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,800
does make you wonder. Yeah,
that's the perfect point, I mean for

807
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,599
them. Yeah, And I don't
know how fast they moved. This thing

808
01:02:05,719 --> 01:02:10,480
was very deliberate in its movements.
It was very fluid. And the time

809
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,320
it took to walk from that rock
down to the road. I bet it

810
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:21,840
took it thirty forty five seconds to
walk, and it's only walking maybe gosh,

811
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,840
I don't know. I'm gonna say
fifty feet. Yeah, that wouldn't

812
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:29,159
take it any time to walk that
distance. When you factor the good view

813
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:31,360
your uncle had a three of you
boys as you ran back to the house

814
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:36,079
mark. How sure are you or
aren't you that he didn't see that dog

815
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:42,039
men? I'm not sure. I'm
not sure at all. I didn't feel

816
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:45,559
that it was chasing us. Again, I didn't look back, so it

817
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:49,679
may not have been chasing us.
And if it was, it sure it

818
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:54,679
did not want us. But the
thing that was very curious about my uncle,

819
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,599
I don't know. I'm not sure
how to articulate. When he was

820
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:07,039
telling us we didn't see anything.
He was telling it like he was trying

821
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:15,559
to convince himself that we didn't see
anything. There's just a lot that goes

822
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:19,119
on out there. Well, I
say, out there talking about my grandparents

823
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,440
place, but I mean in the
area in general. You mentioned the Sasquatch

824
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:28,360
deal earlier, and that was really
just a thing that nobody talked about.

825
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,119
I mean, it was it was
like, oh, yeah, yeah,

826
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:36,239
so and so this might have happened, but boogie boogie or whatever whatever they

827
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:38,000
were calling it, I don't know, I don't remember, but it was

828
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:44,239
just something they didn't talk about it. They a lot of people seemed very

829
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:52,519
very sensitive when it came to talking
about anything that could be considered supernatural.

830
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:57,039
Back then, the word crypted.
I learned that word from your show,

831
01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:01,639
and that's only been you know,
within the last probably year or so.

832
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:04,880
So the word crypted, as far
as I know, was nowhere around.

833
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:13,679
So anything that fell out of the
norm of everyday life was absolutely considered something

834
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,239
from the devil. Like said,
my grandmother was Catholic, so everything was

835
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,760
the devil and then the people around
most of the people it was hard for

836
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:26,199
us, It went hard, but
it was different for us because we were

837
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:30,760
the only Catholics in the area.
Around here, You've got Protestants and Southern

838
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,000
Baptists and Baptists, and man,
you can just throw a dart probably hit

839
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:41,480
a name on a dartboard, and
that got that religion around here. And

840
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:47,039
it was Sunday church. Even though
we weren't Baptist. We went to Baptist

841
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:51,159
meetings or whatever it is, the
Baptist call it the Baptist stuff, where

842
01:04:51,239 --> 01:04:56,599
it was church in the morning and
fried chicken in the afternoon and everybody got

843
01:04:56,639 --> 01:05:00,400
together. And that's just the way
it was around here when I was kids.

844
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:06,719
So anything that was outside the purview
of God or what God does that's

845
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:14,559
good and religious, it was automatically
the devil. So we didn't talk about

846
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:18,440
it. Yeah, that didn't help. Although thank goodness you weren't traumatized by

847
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:23,840
the experience, because if you had
been traumatized by it and needed a lot

848
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,400
of help getting over it, not
being able to talk about it would have

849
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:34,119
made it just that much worse.
Right, And I guess it's again a

850
01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:40,920
lot of people make they laugh and
joke about us gen X kids, and

851
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:45,039
I don't think they understand how on
point we were. You know, a

852
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,519
gen X kid. We had thirteen
different ways to get bloodstains out of our

853
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:54,119
clothes, so that so that Grandma
didn't know you got blood on your new

854
01:05:54,199 --> 01:06:02,519
clothes, So there wasn't there's not
a lot that really phases us. And

855
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:09,079
the fact that when there was any
type of trauma in our life, it

856
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:13,039
was just like are you breathing now, I'm breathing, Okay, then you're

857
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:16,400
fine, Look get away from me, go away. So even if there

858
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:24,840
had been some sort of real emotional
trauma, I don't think they probably would

859
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,360
have just been like, yeah,
you're fine, stat of Grandma's special cabinet

860
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,280
there on the bottom. It definitely
was a different time back then, So

861
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,920
now I understand what you're saying.
What's about time for us to get out

862
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,440
if you're in Mark, But before
we do, do you have any closing

863
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:47,920
comments you'd like to share her?
I guess what I would say in respect

864
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:54,199
to everything that's going on. If
I had not had this encounter myself,

865
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,719
I would be one of the biggest
skeptics. I would probably not believe this

866
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,079
stuff. And even though I can
tell you it really did not have that

867
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:05,360
big of an effect on me,
I still went honey and still went fishing,

868
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:11,199
camping, all that stuff. I'm
a little more cautious things in this

869
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:17,920
world that we encounter. It may
not have a total impact or any type

870
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:24,199
of impact on you as an individual, but that same incident, that same

871
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:32,039
situation could be absolutely paralyzing for another
person who has gone through that. If

872
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:39,079
there is anyone who is saying,
I don't know what I saw, I

873
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:45,320
don't know how to handle this,
I absolutely encourage you to get in touch

874
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:53,519
with vic. This man. He's
very, very in tune to helping with

875
01:07:53,760 --> 01:08:00,000
what's going on, and I think
that he can put you on the right

876
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:03,360
path to getting that help and enjoy
in life. Because if I when I

877
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,960
was a kid, if I would
have let this experience affect me in the

878
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:11,599
way that I've heard some people have
been affected, it would have destroyed me

879
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,479
because it would have taken away everything
about me that was a kid of running

880
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,279
the woods and doing this. So
if there is things like this and you

881
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:23,960
do not have anyone to talk to, absolutely get in touched with Vic.

882
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:28,119
And I'm not going to go any
further than that because I'm not capable of

883
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,479
speaking for this man, but he
is someone that you should get in touch

884
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,079
with. Well, Thank goodness that
experience didn't ruin you in Thank you for

885
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:40,560
the kind words too. Having said
that, Mark, thanks again so much

886
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,600
for your time, and have a
great night.