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What is a Fellows thermonuclear a efforts. I am Dan fa Valley with my

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certified Fantabular's co host, mister Grant
Hughes for the first time in what feels

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like forever, but apparently it's not
that long ago. Per the emails that

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Grant and I link each other to
before we podcast. We are here to

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do our They're not official NBA Awards
predictions just yet, but we're entering the

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stretch run the final quarter of the
season. We will have a podcast where

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we probably go through all of these
a little bit quickly to update any of

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our picks. But we're three quarters
of the season in the books, we're

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going to take stock of all the
major awards that are out there. I

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felt like a good time to do
so, and it's coming out at a

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time where I feel like not a
lot of people. They're talking about the

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betting odds of these awards, but
they're not making their predictions just yet because

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it's all do that in a couple
of weeks, So our priors probably have

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not been impacted or influenced as much
as they would have been, which is

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both exciting and terrifying at the same
time. But before we get started the

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question everyone's dying to know the answer
to because it's been so long in podcast

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time since they've heard it. Grant, how the heck are you doing?

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It has been a long time.
It's very it's good to see you,

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it's good to hear you. It's
just good to be back. It is

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really bizarre that my first thought was
like, oh, we haven't talked in

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forever, or we haven't recorded in
forever. It's been like ten days February

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eighteenth, and we're recording this.
So all any numbers year, by the

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way, are locked in as of
February twenty ninth, so and we'll get

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into the criteria very quick. Yeah, wasn't as long as I thought.

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We talked a bunch and Grant's text
messages to me were aren't you on vacation?

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Every time I would message something about
the podcast or short without fail,

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not working, enjoy yourself? Yeah
I was. I was deliberately. I

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was like trying to be like real
clipped and short, but like not in

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a mean way. It was like, because I want you to go enjoy

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your I'm immune to your short text. I just send you waterfall messages anyway.

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Yeah, you did not take the
hint. You kept working so but

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you stayed on brand these awards.
We both talked about this beforehand. There's

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an unnecessary amount of anxiety behind this
research and our picks this year. I

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have no idea what it is,
but it's just I was super anxious and

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stressed out about it. I'll probably
hate myself after this podcast, but it's

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supposed to be fun. We have
the sixty five game minimum in our back

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pocket apparently, though as you mentioned
before we recorded this, it applies to

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all defense all NBA teams, which
we will get to at a later date.

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I think that podcast will drop on
Monday. It applies to all the

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awards except six Men of the Year
and all rookie teams. Is that correct?

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And I think Rookie of the Year
I just had to have opened.

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But basically, any rook anything rookie
be prepared for us to just correct this

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if we've doubled down on the research
for when we do all rookie teams.

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But I think generally rookies and then
six man are not affected by the sixty

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five game rule, which even like
honestly, just not to dive too deep

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into it. But when I was
looking at like all NBA teams and all

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defensive teams, I had the thought
of, like, thank god, some

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of these guys get disqualified so I
don't have to think about them because the

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list is already way too deep,
But just having a handful be out of

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consideration just sort of simplified things for
me, which is like a bummer that

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we, you know, just can't
consider guys that might come close. I

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think, I think probably that's one
of the worst things about the rule is

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that, like I would have thought
about several players for some of those awards,

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but the sixty five game rule was
helpful in some ways, less so

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for a lot of these individual awards. I think, I don't know how

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you felt about it, but it
didn't Other than like embied obviously, there

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weren't a huge number of guys that
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that were knocked out by the rule. Yeah, it really feels like it

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might impact our rookie talk more than
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I did. When I was going
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five game ru in my head.
But going back, it's like I will

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say, if it didn't apply to
the Most Improved Player discussion. There might

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be some spiciness there, but we'll
get to that in time. Without fail

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though, every time anyone does these
podcasts, there are people that say the

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criteria is inconsistent or ambiguous. Their
criteria is better. This is how they

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approach it. Grant and I are
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a bunch of different numbers and metrics, a bunch of different specific plays,

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a bunch of different per game stat
lines. We will talk about numbers and

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they will come up, but the
idea, I promise you we have watched

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games, we have looked at the
numbers, we have read, we have

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listened to other podcasts about players and
teams. We're bringing all of the information

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that we have or that we believe
is pertinent at our disposal and trying to

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loop it together into just this aggregate
discussion. Again, there will be numbers

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that come up, there will be
specific things, but like we can't sit

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here and say, well, you
know, Jokic ranked in the top five

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of EPM, and Lebron and Vorp
and Schnorp and Slurps and whatever Zach Low

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calls them. And we're not going
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it's just you should know the numbers
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have some data that's maybe not as
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walls, but like you've seen the
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very cognizant of not being we like
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be too dry or too complicated,
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video or podcast form. I will
throw our ballots up on the screen for

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anyone watching, But I just want
to make that clear because you say you

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have a different methodology that went into
it. There's no scientific way to do

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this with you. Me. I
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I do think the sixty five gamement
of them actually help us do this.

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But there's a bunch of different things
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how you interpret the award. And
we won't start here, but like,

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just looking at the most valuable player
is does that mean best player on the

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best team. Does it mean the
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as team? How do you handle
a player who has a deeper supporting cast

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than others, or one who plays
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the other candidates. There's so many
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of the day, this is not
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I'm all for the debate, but
you not come. I will not

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respond to any comments, any discord
messages, any Twitter mentions or dms that

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are just pandering, patronizing, angry. Whatever I promise you. We might.

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We might be wrong. I'll be
wrong all the time. That will

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be I might. We're gonna come
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I promise I'll have edits here.
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of the way. As I promise
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much as consideration as we deem possible
and pertinent. Yeah, I think I

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think that is how we need to
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there are a couple If you're ready
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right to m VP. We're not
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listen. We get to the Spicy
award. I think you frontloaded. I

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think you're frontloaded. I think we
go MVP. This is peep behind the

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curtain, This is real time decision
I had an earmark for last All right,

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let's roll. Yeah, No,
here's look, we just you know,

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you don't podcast for ten days or
whatever with me, and now I'm

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just gonna wreck your whole spreadsheet.
So you may like just the concept of

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valuable. It's it is one of
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Nobody is sure what it means and
there so, gosh, what's the what's

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the doorway into this? How you
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top two guys? Do we agree? Let's let's start here my top two?

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hms that pop up, honorable mentions, hms like I need to abbreviate it.

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There will be some honorable mentions that
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we're gonna do it official ballot style
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our all NBA All Rookie All Defense
discussion to come. There will be five

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We went five deep for MVP and
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does like the official order, and
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the most part might not matter.
So if you're watching that that felt somebody,

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Yeah, they're like this. For
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a mention guy, Like yeah,
hey, everyone out there, like we

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didn't forget this guy. So my
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of the best arguments against Jokic and
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have like really force you to reckon
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so what we won't need to get
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the one that really leapt out to
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want to have this part of the
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twenty two per hundred better with yokich
On than off right, that's amazing.

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Well, a lot of that is
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When he's not out there, Sga
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I think, again, we're not
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just using this to illustrate this issue. The thunder like eleven point seven plus

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eleven point seven per hundred with Sga
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Last I had the numbers pulled up
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it's like, do we gauge Jokic's
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him on the floor, Because if
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this number, then SGA is more
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his team goes to shit when he's
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because that's valuable? Right? Clearly
he matters more to the success slash

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failure of Denver than SGA does for
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break even without Sja on the floor. So it's just like, what's valuable

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to you? I don't know,
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but I was curious, Like you
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just like how how does that affect
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valuable mean in that context? Like
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I guess is worse or at least
his replacement is worse that, like,

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does that make him more valuable or
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look, I think everything factors in. It's just a matter of how you

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wait it. And in this instance, specifically, the Thunder might be able

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to tread water without Shay, they
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is not on the court, and
it's almost with whatever conver nations you fuz

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and fiddle with. Now, what
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the percentage of Jokic's minutes that come
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a lot of the others that are
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the highest because that's the way that
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when you get into the who's the
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use Aaron Gordon is probably at least
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is still going to float those lineups
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going to do so better a lot
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you mix and match there. So
I got a little bit more into the

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weeds with that. But I also
just as you can't, I'm not gonna

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pedalize Shave for having I don't know
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top although like Jalen Williams is doing
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Check be the second best player on
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Murray's really great. Well, Jamal
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best player, but Check can't catch. The whole thing is is that I

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might with Jokic as well, and
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and I also dope. By the
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is finished, like this is an
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Jokic to me impacts winning in more
ways than Shay, where it's like,

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yes, Shay's gonna have the edges
of score, Shay's gonna have the edges

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of defender because his de look chase
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handled some tough assignments. They do
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and loudor at the same time,
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helps. But when you look at
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and even the ways in which he's
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types of touches like where Shay can
be a little not too dependent, but

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He's dependent on that spacing and those
drives where Yokic can score in a number

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of different facets. To me,
Shay's gonna be able to get to the

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line a little bit more. A
lot of that, I think has to

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do with how much that Jokic is
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from the basket. I also would
turned it for me, and look,

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the on off splits are part of
that. Jokic defense has been really good

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this year. Not to the point
where I think Yogic belongs to the defensive

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Player of the Year discussion, but
for so long the conversation has been look

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at what he does when he comes
up to the level or how high he

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comes up. He still does that
this year, he watched them. I

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talked about this with Ryan Blackburn.
He's just he's not a good rim protector,

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don't get me wrong, but like
he's doing better in drop And then

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when we talked about that, the
guy is Duncan actually came out with the

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numbers on what Yokic is doing in
drop coverage, and it's like I can't

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remember the specific number, but the
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five points per possession when Yokic isnt
drop that's really good. And so you

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take all that into account with just
like the rebounding, the triple doubles,

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the way he elevates the play of
his teammates. You know why, I

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think that Mike Malone is so married
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possible because he knows the team cannot
function without Jokic, and also because he

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knows that Jokic elevates the play of
so many of those guys around him.

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They found some combinations Aaron Gordan at
the five without Jokic that can work,

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but nothing that can work for long
periods of time. I don't I don't

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know how to wait if again,
I think there's just other reasons to pick

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Yokic, as I outlined, if
that was the deciding factor, I do

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find it difficult. I honestly don't
know how to view it. And I

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think Nuggets fans might take exception if
you're saying, well, who cares that

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he play so much with the starters. It's like, hey, I'm not

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penalizing him here. I picked him
for MVP, but it is part of

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the discussion and it might be something
that could drive Shay's case in the eyes

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of voters who in the final thing, I'll say, I'll just be very

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curious. These are our picks,
They're not predictions. I think Yokic should

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win it. I do wonder if
just Shay and the thunder being so new

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and then how people wait. I
think with a lot of these awards,

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what gets baked into it is exceeding
expectations, and Jokic is were numb to

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him, there's like no exceeding expectations
sort of. I'm wondering if that plays

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into it at all, even though
I don't think it should. Yeah,

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I think that's a great point.
I think too, Like, just to

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to simplify it, this is what
I mean. I think you can get

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there. If you're just looking at
the numbers and you didn't watch a second

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of tape, you could It's like
a coin flip because SGA has has Jokic

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in some of the advanced numbers.
Although, like you mentioned, the Jokic's

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defense, I think to the extent
that like it almost invalidates some of these

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numbers, Like Jokic is i think
leading the league in defensive box plus minus

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last I look, which is just
insane. That's like defensive rebounding is a

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huge part of that, which is
like part of the value, but it

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clearly over is gonna cite that and
say, like Jokic is a great defensive

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player. Jokic has become like a
he not damaging and sometimes good defensive player.

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But just like this is why we're
not just you know, spreadsheeting and

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averaging numbers and saying well, this
guy's the best because he's tops in all

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these advanced metrics. I just think
if if you boil it all the way

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down, I think Jokic exerts a
level of control over the game that no

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one else touches, like on a
possession by possession basis, and it's just

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it is unique in the league.
No one else does it. There there's

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a handful of guys ever who have
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And I think ultimately it's just like
there's you'll never be a to prove

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this. So it's a perfect argument
or disprove it. If you gave Jokic

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four average NBA players, I think
he does more with those guys in SGA

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does with four average players as like
you know, supporting casts. I just

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like because Jokic can just make anything
happen that he that whatever needs to happen

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on the offensive end, he will
engineer that. And SGA is awesome,

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is great, Like none of this
is another like macro point, because we

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have a guy second in MVP,
and we have to make distinctions between him

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and the guy in first. We
are not knocking the guy in second.

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We're just trying. Yeah, we're
just trying to say, here's the differences

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as as nearly as we can see
them. I just think Jokic Yogic is

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just better. I think that's just
where we are. I do. I

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do think it's gonna be fascinating.
And you brought this up, like are

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we tired of Jokic by way?
I mean the voters like you, Oh

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well, is true? Shooting is
only down to sixty five percent. It

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was seventy percent last year, Like, well, we than this, So

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what are we going to give him
a third MVP? It's like the same

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the same stuff that kind of maybe
cost him coin flip at ward last year.

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I don't know. This is where
it gets interesting though, because those

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have to be your one two.
I think if you're being serious at all

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about this, I think there's a
case for so very quickly. I will

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say, when I was parsing this, I don't know that we've ever had

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an MVP debate like at the top
with both where I want both players so

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badly to just take more threes they're
both under five for one hundred possessions,

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and then it annoys the shit out
of me. I like twelve, probably,

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so I I wanted to frame what's
coming next this way. It does

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feel like you could flip the order
a little bit, but it feels like

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there's two more names that belong in
the top five right without question? Or

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do you only have like one name
in there? No, I have,

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I think there are I think there
are two more, like for sure the

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fifth spot gets kind of interesting and
the games limit might come into play on

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that one. But yeah, I
think I do you want me to give

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you my my next two? Yeah? Give me your three four? All

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right? Three four? And I
like, I don't have this in a

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particular order on the right up I
did, so I'll just I'll just do

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it this way. I have Giannis
three and Luca four, and that's like

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you could so you could flip that
either way, but just to make it

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easy, We'll do jianness lucasiler alert. Since you're going to talk about it,

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I did have it flip flopped Luca
three. But yeah, no,

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I I just you know, I
think if you're so, maybe the way

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to talk about this is like,
well, why do we have it one

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way versus the other? Because I
don't I don't feel incredibly strongly that Yanna

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should be there over Luca. Do
you like what you seem like you were

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a little more committed to like Luca
should be third? So what's your what's

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your rationale on that? I'm always
going to default to. Look. Gianni's

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defense I think has been better than
people realize because the Bucks until recently have

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been pretty bad on the defensive end. However, the things that were determining

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factors for me I'm not detracting from
his numbers are bonkers. And I've seen

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some people say that he doesn't really
have a case. He has a case.

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I personally think that it's tough to
pick him for me over Doncic,

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Sga or Jokic. You picked him
over, I give you. I have

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no qualms about that. I think
it's easier to make a case for Dncics

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to win the award than it is
for Giannis, which is wild when you

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look at the standings and where we
typically typically cull MVPs from. I look

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at Lucas scoring and the way that
he drives the offense in a way that

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Giannis cannot, and like the Yannis
without Dame numbers, they've scared me a

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little bit, like the Bucks are
losing those minutes the offenses. The defense

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has actually been terrible during those stretches
surprise surprize, but the offense has been

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only okay. And I also do
think and Giannis would probably admit this.

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I think he and I understand Luca's
not a good defender and that he could

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still complain too much. But like
we know that about Luca. When I'm

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valuating Giannis from his baseline, he
was part of the Bucks' transition defensive issues

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to me for a good chunk of
the season, and then like a flip,

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kind of switched even before they got
rid of even before they brought in

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Doc Rivers. But I just look
at the way that Luca is scoring and

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what he's able to do. You've
seen what he's been able to do in

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the clutch this year as well.
When you get into the on off data,

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you would expect the MAVs to have
a better point differential. But it's

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like he has Kyrie, and then
who's the third best player on the MAVs

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And it's just gonna change on any
given night. And now you've added Daniel

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Gafford and PJ. Watch it didn't
to that equation where it could also be

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Tim Hardaway Junior. It could also
be Derek Leveley the second. There's just

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a bunch of different options. I
think if you have a problem with the

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way that Luka Doncic plays, maybe
this impacts the award. But like,

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this is someone who's just he's he's
leading the league in scoring. When you

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again who qualifies he's over what is
he over thirty four points a game right

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now? He's scoring just wildly efficiently, a sixty two point two true shooting

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for someone who takes so many perimeter
looks to like, yeah, Giannis has

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sixty five tourd true shooting, but
look where his looks are coming from.

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Look at how much of the facilitation
he is responsible for. He is also

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someone who is like he's going to
be on the glass, not as much

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as Giannis, but that's also a
positional thing, and I think that look,

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Luca's been for stretches and some reason
like he's had better defensive stretches this

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year than a lot of other times
in his career to me. And I

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also think he's done a better job
of not complaining as much even though he's

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up there again in technicals. Look, I hate his crediting honest who I

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think has been spectacular And I think
if you pick any one of these four,

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I ultimately wouldn't quibble. I just
think that when we're looking at the

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term of value for this season,
specifically what Luka Doncic is doing in Dallas

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to drive that offense, even with
Kyrie Irving being there, who, by

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the way, has missed a bunch
of time, and you're gonna be responsible

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for carrying a ton of units on
your own because they like to stagger them

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from one another. That element where
Giannis I still just don't trust him to

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carry units offensively without another creator on
the floor is the difference. And maybe

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that's a flawed way of looking at
it, but to me, like that

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top tier offense, I'm always going
to prioritize it over the top tier defense,

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which we haven't done our all defense
team, yet Giannis is certainly a

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candidate to make one of those.
And so that's just where I'm at.

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Again, if we fast forward two
three weeks, maybe I'm saying differently.

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Yeah, I think that's probably I
think you don't need to switch my order.

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I don't really care that much,
because I do think I do think

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the top two just belonged by themselves, and then after that, it's just

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not that consequential to me. I
think kind of the argument I made about

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Jokic being the just in you know, exerting a level of control over what's

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happening on the floor, like Luca
probably comes closest to that, right,

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like and and Yannis is not that
type of player. Like Yannis can physically

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dominate games in stretches, and he
can do that on both ends, which

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distinguishes him from Luca a little bit. But you know it, it does

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feel like actually Janice's defense, because
you know, the Bucks have not have

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underperformed, They've been better lately.
And I think you're right that Giannis has

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been at least somewhat culpable for that
disappointing overall performance. But like you,

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you still hear but it's like,
oh, it's better now, they've they've

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they've you know, cleaned some things
up with Doc Rivers and it's not Jianni's

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fault. But then you do hear
a lot of smart people saying that,

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like, you know, Jannie is
kind of he's the rover on that defense

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and that's a valuable role. But
it's like, you know, is he

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really you know, he's not shutting
down the other team's best player necessarily,

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He's not like being this elite rim
protector. He's not involved in a lot

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of pick and roll defense just because
of the role that he's playing. So

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you know, I'm just I'm just
the Giannice's defense has been like a tricky

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issue because there have been years,
I think in the past where you'd say

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Janice's defense would just put him over
the top, even if Luca were having

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a season this good offensively and isn't
having that kind of year defensively. I

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guess maybe part of my preference for
him is just that, like, he's

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done it before and he's not so
old that I don't think he can do

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it again. But then that's like, that's not what this award is about.

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It's not like you know who when
they really are trying their hardest or

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you know, is the best.
It's who's doing it this year. That's

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that's what we're trying to figure out. So yeah, I think I think

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your argument for Luca being third is
totally totally, uh defensible. I do

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wonder to support your order versus mine
whether I'm underestimating or discounting Jannis having to

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adjust to integrating such a new like
star piece in Damian Lillard, and there

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was functional there was functional awkwardness on
offense for a while there any times there

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still is. Yeah, I think
I think that's sufficient there, like that

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they're but they're they're really close,
Like I don't think. I think what's

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interesting is when you said it's a
lot easier to imagine Luca winning it than

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be honest, that's one hundred percent
true. So like it doesn't really make

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sense that I have Giannis ahead of
him, but I don't think either of

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them are going to win it.
And it's just like I think people will

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point to like, oh, like
Dallas is the seventh seed. It's like,

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okay, well, the seventh seed
is like a heartbeat away from being

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the four seed. And the way
basically at this point. So yeah,

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no, I'm so interested to see
where you went with five. So I

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think, I mean, it's just
I don't know what I want to do

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with this. So should it just
be is here can I do? I

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don't want to tip my hand on
All NBA because two or how many names

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did you consider for five? I
think you have to think about Oh man,

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I think I want to say three. I think there's three names you

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gotta consider, so I want to
say four. I think I know who

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the fourth one is. For you. Well, I considered about three or

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four and then I winnowed it down
to two. Oh would you like to

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hear my two? I'll give you, ok Sure, give me your two

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Jason Tatum Okay? And Donovan Mitchell. Oh wow, those are not my

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two. Here we go. But
I will say when I was doing All

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NBA, those those two are I
agonized over trying to figure out how to

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get them onto one of the they
were in the group. So I'll give

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you some more names and we can
just sort these out at some point.

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Uh Tyrese Haliburton, who can miss? Like? What two games? Is?

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That? Is? That where we're
at. That's where the inconsistent I

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don't and I don't know if this
is inconsistent, but like he was among

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the names I considered, and then
it's just like you get to a point

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where it's okay, he's at what
is it even forget Let's say he just

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hits the game minimum, Like let's
say that's not an issue, and it

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00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,839
seems like he's really gonna try like
hell to do that. He's at about

404
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:08,480
fifteen hundred minutes as we're recording this. I don't really know how to reconcile

405
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,359
that when we're at this level and
you're looking at, Okay, well,

406
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,519
Donovan Mitchell has played almost five hundred
minutes, or he's only played amost two

407
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,119
hundred minutes more than that, or
Tatum's played like five hundred minutes more than

408
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,920
that. How much does that matter
to you in the context of this MVP

409
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,119
SCOSI. So it matters more for
MVP than I'm thinking I did on my

410
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,160
All NBA more recently, and I
just decided, if you're over the threshold,

411
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,079
I do not care, Like if
you're over sixty five games, like

412
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,319
I don't care if you played nineteen
hundred minutes so far, if you've played

413
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,359
twelve whatever, it is, so
Tatum has to be in there. I'll

414
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,279
I'll give you who I have.
So Haliburton's in there, and you don't

415
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,400
have to put these down. We're
just gonna talk through it. So Haliburton,

416
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:55,559
Tatum, Kawhi, and Kevin Duran. He was that, oh wow,

417
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,680
you are much more a KD season
than I have. Apparently the I

418
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,319
had why there too, and I
was just like, something feels off about

419
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,279
picking Kawhi for some reason. I
feel like maybe this would beedia consist though

420
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,519
might penalize him for having James Harden
and Paul George on his team, but

421
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,680
he was just he's a monster.
He's been a monster this season. I

422
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,519
mean, like his offensive efficiency,
it's like you'd think you're looking at the

423
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,079
wrong number. Like if you go
through his monthly splits talking about Kawhi,

424
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,559
I he's shot over forty five percent
from three in like all but one month.

425
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:30,039
It's just like in one of them
is just a flat fifty percent.

426
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,920
And this isn't like he's not a
crazy high volume shooter, but it's like

427
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:37,880
combine that with his defense. He's
not peak Kawhi defense, but he's like

428
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:44,079
close enough to be real scary and
it's just is dominating games physically. It's

429
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,119
he's just kind of I don't know
what percentage would you say he is of

430
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,039
absolute peak Kawhi? Is he like
ninety percent, ninety five percent? He's

431
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,279
close? And like the other thing
is like when James Harden's off the court

432
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,400
and Kawi's on, the Clippers are
still winning those by ten points per one

433
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,599
hundred posessions. Basically, yeah,
And so it's should we just give it

434
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,200
to Tatum because he's the best player
on the best team and we just need

435
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:11,000
to satiate, We need to satisfy
the old the old school MVP criteria is

436
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:12,440
that, but we didn't go.
If we didn't, if that's going to

437
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,880
be the criteria, he should win. Well, you know there might have

438
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,519
been years where he would have like
probably, I mean, how many you

439
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,640
know have you done? I was
doing the statistical breakdown of Donovan, Mitchell

440
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,200
and Tatum and they are just so
close, Like their true shouting percentage is

441
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:33,839
identical. I this is one I'm
still grappling over it because like this also

442
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,000
what impacts your first team all NBA
discussed. I'm not going to have a

443
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,079
different top five from MVP than I
have first team all in BA like that.

444
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:41,519
I like, can you unless I
come back and say, you know

445
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,960
what, I changed my mind.
I want my MVP VOWT. That's one

446
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,039
thing I'm still just like up there, I did. So I'll tell you

447
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,559
who I have written down at the
moment and you could talk to me about

448
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,759
it. I've Donovan Mitchell written down
the stretch where he was, and what's

449
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:57,279
tough for me is like he hasn't
played that many more minutes than a Tyrese

450
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,640
Haliburton and Tatum's played way more,
and I want to pick Kawhi, but

451
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,319
there's also like, okay, when
Kawhi plays without Paul George and Harden.

452
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,160
The Clippers haven't been very good during
those stretches, but don Van Mitchell helping

453
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,880
the Caves navigate when they were just
so brutally banged up, and like the

454
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,319
adjustments he made as a passer,
the adjustments he continues to make as a

455
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,200
score where it's not always the Donovan
Mitchell show. When you're watching the Cavs

456
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,880
offense, they are playing faster with
shout out carosl Vert for helping them really

457
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,000
do that off of rebounds, and
he's just been so much more adaptable this

458
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:30,759
season and some of the efficiency numbers
have come down. He's only at like

459
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,359
thirty five something percent on off the
dribble threes. But you know who's not

460
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,960
hitting their off the dribble threes again
this year? That'd be Jason Tatum and

461
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,160
don Van. Mitchell does not have
a heavy defensive workload, but neither is

462
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,960
Jason Tatum. When you're playing with
Drew Holliday and Derek White and even having

463
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,000
christophs porzingis behind you, and I
know Mitchell has the same luxury with Jared

464
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:52,319
Allen. But Mitchell's found himself in
like tougher matchups than I think people realize

465
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:56,759
because of the time that Mobiley and
Garland even missed just by virtue of being

466
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,240
a point guard, You're gonna find
yourself in these for matchups. I didn't

467
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,400
know how to delineate between the two, and I ultimately feel like why I

468
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,720
almost want to go with Tatum is
not because he's the best player on the

469
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,799
best team. It's I'm saying I'm
going with Mitchell, But I'm still wondering

470
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:17,119
I just penalizing Tatum because the Celtics
are so good without him. Is that

471
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,839
really what this comes down to for
me. But it's my whole thing is

472
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,480
what is Donovan Mitchell the best at
on his team relative to what Jason Tatum

473
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:26,799
is the best at on his team? And I don't know if Jayson Tatum

474
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:32,839
is gonna check as many boxes,
like he's the best scorer on his team,

475
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,359
but is one the margin is not
gonna be as big between Tatum and

476
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,079
and Brown. And then it's like
in terms of shot creation, like I

477
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:41,839
guess he's still gonna win that,
but he's is he gonna be He's not

478
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:45,240
the best passer. I think you
can make a case that Donald Mitchell has

479
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,119
been the Cavs best passer this season, even though Darius Garland exists. Those

480
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,720
are the two that I got hung
up on. And so I have Mitchell.

481
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,839
I've not written him down yet because
I'm kind of want to see where

482
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,279
you go, and I'm prepared for
you to talk me into do we just

483
00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:00,640
collectively go Tatum here and move on? I feel like the safest answers Tatum,

484
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:07,960
but like I should admit, like
I I have, I have Kauhi

485
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,480
on my own NBA first team,
So like, by that logic, Kawhi

486
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,400
should be my fifth And because We've
already talked about the other four, So

487
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,599
we shouldn't Kawhi just be my be
my fifth place MVP guy. I don't

488
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,519
know, like it seems like it
should be that simple I gave. I

489
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,880
did not give Donovan Mitchell the credit
that I should have. He should be

490
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,559
in this mix just looking at the
numbers comparatively right now. And he has

491
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,759
the narrative angle too, just like
the car I carried this team that everybody

492
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,319
thought was cooked when you know Evan
Mobley and Garland and like everybody was hurt.

493
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,599
So he has I think though,
in addition to the best player,

494
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,759
best team narrative thing for Tatum,
there's also the idea that like, oh,

495
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,799
he's like sacrificing everybody kind of likes
that angle. I don't know how

496
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,960
true that is, but that's very
much out there. So if you're just

497
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,359
looking for another reason to to favor
Tatum, you could some people would be

498
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,559
persuaded by that. I think Kawhi
is the best player of those guys that

499
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:04,759
we've talked about. Do you think
that's fair? Do you? Uh?

500
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,559
I guess like when healthy? Yes, But how's that fact turned in?

501
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,720
Even what I mentioned? What I
was gonna say how much should these anecdotal

502
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:18,079
arguments matter? Where it's so we're
gonna also penalize Tatum because his team wasn't

503
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:22,200
like banged up at some point in
the season. Yeah, it, this

504
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,960
is hard, but I am interested. So you're fine with having someone on

505
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,400
your top five MVP ballot and not
making All NBA for the NBA first team,

506
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,079
Well that's the thing, Like I
guess, I guess you're forcing me

507
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,279
to like decide if my criteria is
slightly different, which I guess it probably

508
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:44,440
is, because the volume of playing
time for me for all NBA is once

509
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,160
you're over the threshold, I don't
care how much more or less you have

510
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:51,000
than everybody else that's over that threshold. Whereas MVP, like yeah, if

511
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,079
there's a five hundred minute difference,
like that is a measure of value,

512
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:59,680
right like that that should that should
matter. So yeah, I don't know.

513
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:01,920
I I so if you're gonna go
Mitchell, I'm not gonna talk you

514
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,359
out of it. I think I'm
gonna stick. I think I'm gonna stick.

515
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,920
And this is like I hate being
controversial, but I also need to

516
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,079
get to a point where like this
is what I believe in this moment,

517
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,400
and it could change. I have
Dono Mitchell, and then I have Jason

518
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,200
Tatum six, and then just because
we talked about Kawhi, I did have

519
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,160
Kawhi seventh, and I will say
the stuff with Haliburton just not like I

520
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,960
understand that's only two hundred minutes a
year, five hundred minutes there, but

521
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:28,119
like he was still targeted on defense
for so much of the year. It's

522
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,359
clear how important he is. These
players, they're not even going after Don

523
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,200
Mitchell's been better defensively than tires Haliburton. This see like surprise surprise. Both

524
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,119
players have the name that I couldn't
get I thought about, but I just

525
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,160
couldn't get there with. And I'm
not trying to insult him because he's gonna

526
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,000
make an All NBA team was Jalen
Brunton. It was like someone who else

527
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,759
was in this group for me,
I just couldn't get there with Haliburton.

528
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,039
If like we had an eight,
like if I was gonna go eight deep,

529
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:52,440
I think I had Haliburton eighth.
I'll go double check there, but

530
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,920
like Brunton was on my my shorulder
list there, but I'm gonna stick with

531
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,319
Mitchell. I had Mitchell, Tatum, and Kawi since those were the names

532
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:00,759
that we predominantly he talked about,
Yeah, all right, so I'm gonna

533
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:07,599
go Kawhi. I'm gonna have KAUI
be my number five was completely reasonable,

534
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,880
if not the correct choice. Well, no, it's just like this chunk

535
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,559
of guys is really difficult. The
top four was a different thing. So

536
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,759
I'll go Kawhi five. I think
I'm gonna go Tatum six, Mitchell seven.

537
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,759
He really did talk me into Mitchell
and just to just to complete it.

538
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,240
I think I'm gonna put Haliburton eight. I think I think the volume

539
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,599
does hurt him there, and look
he might we don't have Ty Haliburton eight.

540
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880
I don't think I'm gonna double check
my list make sure to have Jaalen

541
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,640
Brunton ahead of him, since I
have a separate Oh I did, am

542
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,519
I gonna stick with that? No, I'm not gonna say I'm gonna put

543
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,599
Tyrese there, and then I would
have I don't jail Bruns like Jalen Brunton.

544
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:51,440
By the way, he will probably
finish top ten at MVP voting as

545
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,559
of now, would be my guest. That's a hell of an accomplishment.

546
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:59,200
Yeah, I'll give you my nine
and ten I have. I have Durant

547
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,880
was someone that I really did give
thought to putting on LNBA first team.

548
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,599
So he's gotta be. I gotta
go Durant nine and I'm gonna homer it

549
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,400
and have Steph ten edging out Jalen
Brunson. Ooh okay, So you had

550
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:16,920
Kevin Rant nine and you had who
step Steph Curry ten. That's Steph has

551
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,800
been clutched as hell this year.
So I had Jalen bruns in nine,

552
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:23,880
and I think this one's gonna is
that why I had nine. I feel

553
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,159
like I don't even know my own
list at this point. I did not

554
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,159
have Wow. Oh No, I
had Jalen Brunson. I had him ahead

555
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,119
of Tyrese, So I did that, but I changed it, so Tyrese

556
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,840
jailing at nine, and then my
tenth was Lebron James. I this is

557
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,440
not just am I giving him the
age thirty nine bump. Maybe this dude

558
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,880
is shooting like a trillion percent on
pull up three pointers this year, still

559
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,599
hitting his twos in an unbelievable clip. The way He's still able to take

560
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,480
over games as both scorer and passer
he is. The Lakers defense is all

561
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,920
over the place. They're worse with
Anthony Davis on the floor, So those

562
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,039
are proof that numbers can be allowed. He has not been among the the

563
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:04,519
Lakers like defensive issues. And I
think the whole Lebron and ad have played

564
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,960
like double the amount of possessions together
this season so far than they played all

565
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,679
of last year. And the Lakers
are basically a worst team or the same

566
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:14,880
team that to me just has more
about the supporting cast that's a round them

567
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,320
and how they're faring. So I
did have Lucy, I guess I went,

568
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,320
I did go how many deep did
I go here? I went like

569
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,199
fourteen or thirteen names deep? But
I had Devin Booker after Lebron, and

570
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:28,320
then I had I talked about.
I did have Steph and I had Kevin

571
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,920
Durant was in there as well.
But like these are these are my ten.

572
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,280
I feel I don't feel great about
the tenth spot that after like me

573
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,880
figuring out the Mitchell Tatum Kawhi thing, that's that was like the toughest,

574
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,639
probably because it's the last one.
Yeah, I think for me, I'm

575
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:45,079
trying to see, like so the
difference we have, so our top eight

576
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,840
is the same, just in a
slightly different order. And I think after

577
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,800
that eight is where it gets kind
of like, yeah, you know that,

578
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:57,679
that feels like the cutoff of where
it's like we're not really talking about

579
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,360
guys that have a shot at winning
it anymore. And the thing for me

580
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,639
too is like, so when you're
looking at brunts in and this will impact

581
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,800
like when we tell about all MBA
the level of difficulty on his role not

582
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,760
having I understand you can't penalize guys
for having a better supporting cast, like

583
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,880
what he needs to drive in the
confines of for most of the time,

584
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,199
imperfect spacing, even when most of
the Knicks's best players are available. Like

585
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,840
I value stuff like that and so
and I think people will criticize, well,

586
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,159
the Lakers aren't good, the Warriors
aren't good. This is like the

587
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,119
value that Steph and Lebron are bringing
to the table right now. Like even

588
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,159
people put point out, why is
a phoenix sun on here? It's like,

589
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,280
well, Kevin Rant hasn't missed a
shot like ever in this season,

590
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,639
well unless it's the fourth quarter.
So just like I, this is tough,

591
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,880
man. I don't feel good about
my bottom of the ballot. I'll

592
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,599
say that I wouldn't be able to
change it with a million times. It

593
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,800
really this, you know, with
what is there like a third of the

594
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,039
season left as we're recording this,
it's gonna be Jokic or Sga. I

595
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,119
like, wouldn't you be stunned if
I mean, I guess Luca. If

596
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:58,000
Luca went on like a crazy heater
and the MAVs, you know they've been

597
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,559
hot, but if they won,
you know, well, they were the

598
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:02,039
best team in the league the rest
of the way record wise, and Luca

599
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:06,079
like sustained his numbers. I think
we might really have a three man race.

600
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,039
What I also think is interesting is
how many fucks does Yokic give about

601
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:12,400
winning this award, because like we
could get to the middle of marsh and

602
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,719
if he just like hits cruise control
until the playoffs, that's gonna imp that.

603
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:21,679
Like that'll help SGA, but it'll
also help Giannis and uh do more

604
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,360
like those. That's why I still
think those three guys are in play.

605
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,119
I just can't. I'd be shocked
if it was someone other than personally,

606
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:30,880
I'd be shocked to it with some
other than Doncic, SGA or Jokic,

607
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,440
but like Giannis wouldn't be flooring because
he's that good. Yeah he is.

608
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,320
I think he's got a pretty serious
uphill climb just because of how down everyone

609
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,639
has been on the bucks for most
of the year and like disappointed by them.

610
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,079
But yeah, you know, look, it's I think you get past

611
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:51,079
those top three or four and then
we're we're just kind of having fun with

612
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,760
this. So that was like half
an hour on MVP, right, Yeah,

613
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,679
so we'll go quicker on because I
don't think these other ones are as

614
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,039
controversial. Like we said, now, only the first three names matter more

615
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,800
than the honorable mentions. So are
you good with do you want to pick

616
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,480
a different award or do you want
to go to defensive? No dealer's choice.

617
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,760
I hijacked the our order so you
can pick the next one. Well,

618
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,719
you know what, let's go to? Can we go to one that

619
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,639
I feel like should just be like
easier, like and quick? Sure,

620
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:22,719
let's go to Clutch Player of the
Year. Okay, who do you do

621
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,639
you want to just give me like
who your who? Your three are here?

622
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Or what your ballot looks like for
Qutch? Yeah, let me pull

623
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,480
this up here? Okayh man,
I'm such a homer. So Steph is

624
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:34,039
my clutch player of the year.
Wait, no, you're not. You

625
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,119
know why you're not a homer.
I also pick Steph. Okay, so

626
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,400
I'm sure I'm a million percent sure
you saw this as like he's got the

627
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,320
most clutch points he's hit, Like
he's like twenty eight to fifty nine from

628
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,719
three or something absurd like that,
and the Warriors are like plus three in

629
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,400
his one hundred and some odd clutch
minutes. Don't care, Like you can't

630
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,480
tell me the guy's making a million
threes and scoring the most clutch points,

631
00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,440
and like he's not helping them be
better than they'd otherwise be. Sore.

632
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,400
There is ample room for pushback on
the basis of, like he's been great,

633
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,159
but the Warriors have not been a
good clutch team at all, So

634
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,880
like that's fine, but he's I
think he just had to be number one

635
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,599
for me running this is I mean, there's a lot of ways to go

636
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,760
here. I have DeRozan as my
number two. Oh wow, we're a

637
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,519
step here, are we? We
probably just researched the same way. Why

638
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,440
don't you give me your number three
just to change it up. I honestly

639
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,480
forgot my number three. Let me
look at this. I'm like stunned that

640
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:32,400
we had from the pool of players
that were here, did I? I

641
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,519
think I can't remember if I had
is it? Let me scroll up here?

642
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,159
Oh, I have Jokic as my
number three, and it was between

643
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,320
what's ironic, it was between him
and Shay for my number four. I

644
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,440
guess Shay is my number four.
Was like those two that it came down

645
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,400
to. I didn't go that deep
on this after the top couple, but

646
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,880
just you can just put these in
any order. I think I'd probably go

647
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,960
Dame as a a B third for
me. Kobe White has quietly had like

648
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:04,480
a that's two bulls in the clutch
clutch leaderboard here another guy had, Derek

649
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:07,440
White has had a great clutch season. And Yokich is also on my on

650
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:12,119
my down ballot pick I also had. So you've had Yokich there. Like

651
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,639
you said, that order doesn't Why
do I keep doing this? Uh?

652
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,800
That order doesn't matter for you?
I had. I did go fairly deep.

653
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,199
Oh no, wait, I stopped. I have Luca at five and

654
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,480
that's where I stopped at her mind
out. Uh, the look when you

655
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:30,480
go to so you mentioned like the
shots made, but if you do care

656
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:36,440
about like numbers, impredictable has a
clutch win probability added, and so like

657
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,280
it calls it from all these different
stats. Giannis comes in at one,

658
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,679
Shay is two, Steph is three, Jokich is four, Doncic is five.

659
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,760
So like our our picks line up
pretty well with that. I did

660
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,280
ultimately go with Steph though when you
look at the number of clutch shots he

661
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,000
has hit relative to everybody else,
I know part of that is, well,

662
00:40:57,079 --> 00:40:59,679
you need to be in these situations
to make those shots, and so

663
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,119
this to be an indictment of how
much clutch time the Warriors have played.

664
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:07,199
But like the gap is just so
like not even close. When you're looking

665
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:10,360
at the total shots made, he
has made fifty one shots in the clutch,

666
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,079
which is thirteen more than second place, which is DeMar de Rosen.

667
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,199
And the Aaron Fox is up there
again at thirty seven at number three.

668
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,199
So and by the way, Yokic, I didn't know this number five and

669
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,960
Shay is eight, So there you
go. I feel better about some of

670
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,400
my choices here. Crazy stat similar
same vein So when I this is a

671
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,159
couple of days old now, But
Steph had twenty eight made threes in the

672
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:36,239
clutch. That's that's more than the
next two most prolific three point hitters combined,

673
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,400
which is Buddy Heel has eleven and
Derek White has ten. So he's

674
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,679
and this is like he's fifty point
five percent from the field, forty seven

675
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,599
point five percent from deep, like
this is with every team, every person

676
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,360
in every arena knowing like, don't
let him one touch the ball to shoot

677
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,519
the ball, and he's making half
of his half of a ridiculous volume of

678
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,800
clutch shots like that. You have
to factor in the degree of difficulty like

679
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,679
a little bit because like I guess, like this is a this is an

680
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:07,400
argument too for DeRozan because like DeRozan's
just creating these shots, like it's very

681
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,599
different from Steph where it's just like
DeRozan just goes to work, you know,

682
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,679
inside the three point line and gets
buckets and a ton of free throws

683
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,519
by the way too, for both
Steph and DeRos And that's another big factor

684
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:22,519
in them rating highly. He isn't
dame like shooting like perfect from the line,

685
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,559
which is which is forty five that
is bonkers in the clutch from the

686
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:30,559
foulon. Yeah, I think I'm
glad we had Steph. Oh. Yes,

687
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:32,840
let's see Steph's thirty five to thirty
seven from the foul line in the

688
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,960
clutch. Not bad, it's ridiculous. I mean, if the Warriors were

689
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,400
a little bit better, he would
be shooting up MVP vallids too, which

690
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,679
is wild. He doesn't. He
does not have a chance though. All

691
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,800
right, that was good. That
was a quick one, because who cares

692
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,800
about clutch like it's there's cut.
There's many people who are mad, like,

693
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,760
who do we forget? Well,
I mean, well, you did

694
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,679
mention Kobe Wise. Why didn't Kobe
White win this award? Now? Caruso

695
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,119
on here or uh, I don't
know, Trey Young or somebody. I

696
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,519
was surprised you had Dame. I
know he's shooting well on twos in the

697
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,760
clutch, but he's been pretty off
from three because he made a game winning

698
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,719
shot this year Dan in his dame
time. That's why. That's awesome,

699
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,679
that's really fair. But that's why
if we if I went strictly by that,

700
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,920
if feels like Shae should win.
Just not even looking at but I'm

701
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,079
just thinking of moments in my head
that it would be if it was completely

702
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:19,559
anecdotal, I'd probably go with Shay. Yeah, right, if it will

703
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,679
I mean, if you said step
is probably the answer. But like if

704
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,599
you said, you know, it's
a last second possession. You need someone

705
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:30,320
to get you a decent scoring opportunity, Like you could not go wrong with

706
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,199
Shae just because he's the hard he's
the toughest cover in the league. He's

707
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,920
just gonna find a way to get
a shot or get fouled. So like

708
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,599
that seems pretty clutch to me.
I you know, we don't need to

709
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:40,880
go further down my ballot, but
I would. I would put I guess

710
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,800
I would have Shay on there as
like a you can't not say this guy,

711
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,039
but what I'm gonna leave him off
your ballot? So you look at

712
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:52,280
leave him off because I only went
h five names deep, I'm trying to

713
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,639
overcompensate by adding all these extra names
if I prefer not to have to.

714
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,880
So if you're only going to do
four, I'll do that too. Oh

715
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,119
I did have Luka. I don't
know why I didn't write him in there,

716
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:01,519
But so, which award do we
want to go to next? Now

717
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:07,480
it's your chart. Hmmm, let's
pick I think let's save Defensive Player of

718
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,239
the Year, because that's kinda that
that discussion is interesting. Oh this is

719
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,559
a hard one. Let's do most
Improved. Oh man, I hate you.

720
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,039
I mean, we had to get
to it, but like I don't

721
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:20,519
want to do it. This is
well here's here's I mean, we both

722
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,360
hate this one because it's like,
what does that even mean? You know

723
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:27,039
that if you're if you're deep in
the NBA silo like we are, it's

724
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,719
like everyone's annoyed by. There's similar
arguments about six man that we'll get to.

725
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:34,400
Everyone's annoyed by. The idea is
like, well, this, don't

726
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,960
give most Improved to a guy that's
young that just started playing more, right,

727
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,920
Like, don't give it to the
guy that increases points per game by

728
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:44,599
whatever, because he went from this
is the TI kind of the Tyres Maxi

729
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,400
argument a little bit like his role
got bigger, he didn't really change who

730
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:52,360
he was as a player. I
think I I like the idea of viewing

731
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,599
this as like who actually like improved
in a way that you could point to,

732
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,639
like whether it's a stat or whether
it's like just an eye testing,

733
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:04,320
like he's different now, like that
that to me is what this award is

734
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,159
sort of more supposed to be about. But of course there's no actual criteria,

735
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,039
so you can kind of do what
you want with it. Well,

736
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:14,280
the other criteria I have personally,
and I will say, you'll be happy

737
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,320
about this. This player pushed the
boundaries of it. I don't like picking

738
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,880
second year players. The last time
I came closest to actually giving an exception

739
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,440
to the rule, I think it
was darn Box's sophomore campaign, if I'm

740
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,599
not mistaken, Yeah, he had
a monster second year that was defensive.

741
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:32,119
Well, if you are already coming
off a rookie campaign where you can say

742
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:35,639
it's not just oh I finished in
top three Rookie of the Year voting,

743
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:39,679
but like, oh, you're on
this star trajectory and then you exceed those

744
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:45,559
expectations. Jay Dubb came very close
to cracking my top three. He did

745
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:50,199
not ultimately, but like when you
look at just like he's hitting step backs

746
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,280
in turnarounds and just running the offense
more than he was last year. Again,

747
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:58,119
you expect to see that sort of
start improvement year over year, which

748
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,880
is why I'm going to hold to
that. But if someone comes in here

749
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,760
and if you're one of them and
votes for J Dubb, the level pushback

750
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,920
I will provide is non existent.
He's he's a really he's on my ballot

751
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,559
obviously, but like I've been so
absurd in every one of your ballots right

752
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:22,360
the year, and he can you
just copy paste his name in like second

753
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,239
place for all these awards. I
know, I like he's a I think

754
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,840
that's right. I think he he
didn't win it for me. He's like

755
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,000
kind of down ballot, but like
he's he's I mean, the level the

756
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:38,000
type that he has this year,
you cannot have said, oh, you

757
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,000
know at the end of last year, like yeah, I'll definitely be able

758
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:44,519
to do that. Like that just
the I mean, every wide open three

759
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:46,719
he takes seems like it's going in. He can get to the basket like

760
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:51,599
just however he needs to. He's
a good defense. Like he's just really

761
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,800
become like I know, I've been
super hype, just hyperbolic, Like it's

762
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,719
almost a bit at this point,
like how much I talk him up.

763
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,679
But like if that dude makes like
seven All Star Games, like I'm not

764
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:07,039
going to be surprised over here.
Like that's just like that is what he's

765
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,519
the trajectory he's on. Now,
He's gone from like, oh, this

766
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,480
could be an All Star to it's
oh, how many all NBA teams will

767
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:16,679
j Dubb make today? Where someone
was I forget where it was, might

768
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,719
have been Twitter, where someone was
like, what is what do you think

769
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,360
Jileen? Like if Jillan Williams hits
like his ninetieth percentile outcome, like he

770
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,320
hits you know, of all the
range of players he could possibly be,

771
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:30,360
Like he gets to you know,
the top ten percent of what he can

772
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,519
be, who is that? And
someone's like, well, Kawhi or maybe

773
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,760
Harden, I don't know. It's
like and then you kind of squint and

774
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,199
you're like, yeah, kind of
see both. I don't know. Is

775
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,119
like what if Harden and Kawhi Leonard
had a baby? Because Jadub the better

776
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:45,280
passer projects to be at least than
Kawhi. Yeah, it's it's crazy.

777
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,559
So he's where should we put him? You're not how high do you have

778
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:51,760
him on yours? No? So
I didn't, Like I said, I

779
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,360
did three deep and then the rest
are just like, if you want me

780
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,360
to throw my honorable like this would
be a good thing. Should I just

781
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,679
throw my honorable mentions down I went
ten deep. So I've said, yeah,

782
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,119
do that, do that? Okay, So I'm gonna do I'm gonna

783
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,840
put him all at once. How's
that rather than and I'll go through him

784
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,719
quick fire. So I've Jalen Johnson, who I thought was gonna win the

785
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,119
award at one point. I trust
his three pointer, even though he's dipp

786
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,400
blow thirty five percent. Now I
trust his defensive valuability, even though the

787
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,039
Hawks kind of suck on that end
of the floor. Just what he can

788
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:22,639
do as a playmaker connective tissue on
offense. I do think he's actually is

789
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,400
a pretty good defender, even if
he's gonna get caught out a position or

790
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,000
ball watching a little bit too much. I just I couldn't get there because

791
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,960
the level of self creation on offense
compared to the players who are actually gonna

792
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,000
appear at top my ballot just isn't
there. I've cam Thomas. I didn't

793
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,840
know how to treat him because it
feels like he's finally just getting an opportunity.

794
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:43,800
He's improved a little bit as a
passer, he has not improved a

795
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,920
shot selection. It's just going in. And so like I've had a tough

796
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,440
time reconciling that he's not a better
defender. He's had moments, but he's

797
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,360
not a good defender. Denny Avdia
was actually after Jalen Johnson, my toughest

798
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,840
player to leave off of here,
and he might he might crack my top

799
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,199
three if he continues to play the
way that he does. He's been a

800
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:04,440
little bit even though the volume isn't
there. He seems more confident in his

801
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,280
three. He's more aggressive inside the
arc. The passing is getting way better,

802
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,320
whether it's from like he's actually orchestrating
from a standstill having run half court

803
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,199
sets or running in transition. The
defense is still there. I think people

804
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,440
blob Coolbali will take on some of
the toughest assignments, like Denny Avdya has

805
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:22,480
like one of the heavier, tougher
defensive workloads in the league. He's a

806
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:27,239
lot faster and smarter than I think
people give him credit for. He's just

807
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,519
like if they had kind of juiced
up his role the way they have over

808
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,400
the past month or so, like
from the jump, like this might have

809
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,840
just been his award to run away
with. I have Tyrese Maxi and my

810
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,559
concerns are the same as yours.
When I watch him, he's handling a

811
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:43,719
heavier workload and that does matter.
Like we're talking about someoneho went from managing

812
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,920
twenty points to twenty five points or
whatever it is. His efficiency is still

813
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,559
above average, but he's not a
completely different player. He still struggles to

814
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,639
kind of like if he can't go
north south, like a lot of his

815
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,440
game is just nuked or neutered.
It feels like I hate discrediting him.

816
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,480
I've Jay Dubb was on there,
Tyre's Alberton just going from All Star Superstar

817
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:07,480
to MVP Megastar. That type of
jump is the hardest to make. I

818
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,559
just the defense bothers me a little
bit. And this is again it's just

819
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:14,199
like he's so close. And this
is the same with Jalen Johnson. They

820
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,639
might not meet the games threshold depending
on what happens the rest of the year.

821
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,000
And then Jonathan kaminga kind of a
late riser in this one, just

822
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,280
been absolutely swallowing worlds there. So
that was like those were the ten names,

823
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,559
and I'm sure there are others that
people could. I did see this

824
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,239
and it was a very someone who
I actually might have been. I don't

825
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,559
know. I don't want to say
the names. I don't want to be

826
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,519
wrong, but someone talking about Luka
Doncic for Most Improved because of all this

827
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:40,440
stuff he's doing at different levels of
offense and some of the ways he's changed

828
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:45,119
his defense and not complaining. I
can't get there. Like the closest,

829
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,400
the closest I could have come was
that first or second Steph MVP season,

830
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,719
whichever it was, where it was
just like, oh, like, okay,

831
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,760
he could win Most Improved. Yeah
that's right. Gosh. I remember

832
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,880
making that, like starting to make
that argument, like MVP for the second

833
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,159
so I think there was a case. Well there was a case both MVP

834
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,920
years, but the second year it
was like season and here's why it was.

835
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,480
It was like, right, look
at all this shit, he has

836
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:15,000
a deal with No, I just
I remember making the case for Steph as

837
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:19,360
most Improved in his unanimous MVP year, facetiously at first, but then being

838
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,079
like, I don't know this guy's
way better all of a sudden, but

839
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:25,199
yeah, no, I love your
your list. The only guys I didn't

840
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:30,199
have, and I just regret because
I didn't think about them, were Thomas

841
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,039
and Haliburton. The Haliburton thing is
really interesting because, like you, I

842
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,320
always say that about teams. It's
like the hardest leap to make is not

843
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,519
from like forty five to fifty five
wins. It's like from fifty five to

844
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:45,000
like you might win sixty two or
whatever. Like the very good to great

845
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,920
leap is super hard. Helburton made
the very good to great leap. At

846
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,360
the same time, it feels like
he's just kind of doing more of the

847
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,079
same stuff, Like he's not a
different guy, but like should we penalize

848
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:57,360
him for that? Like that feels
like, well, that's it's hard to

849
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,280
do more of something like that.
That's why great players have high volume stats.

850
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:06,320
And I think so he can drive
his case ultimately to me is sort

851
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,559
of too similar to Tyrese Maxi's.
But it's just like he can drive the

852
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,280
entire fucking thing in a way that
tyres Maxie can't, which is not a

853
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,000
shot at Tyree's magi. Yeah,
so, by the way, a late

854
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:21,599
entry into this, I couldn't pick
him just because the other thing that's tough

855
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,639
where I think some people forget,
including myself, there's a lot of recency

856
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:28,159
bias here, and so you forget
that it's like a full Season Award,

857
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:35,239
But like Kate Cunningham, Yeah,
lightly shooting forty percent on step back threes

858
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,440
this year and he's been even higher
than that of late. This is just

859
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,039
someone he's gotten the turnovers under control. He doesn't I don't think he belongs

860
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:44,840
at the top of the ballot on
this, but I just wanted to give

861
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,800
him sort of a shout out,
and that's ultimately. I know some people

862
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,559
go with deep cuts, and like
last year I talked about Hammadu Diallo a

863
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:54,119
little bit in this award. I'm
always embearably going to value like it's not

864
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:59,360
just how big the leap was,
it's how difficult was this leap. So

865
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,840
it's like when you're working from a
lower baseline, Like we can talk about

866
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,599
deep cuts, but like even cam
Thomas is sort of just like the baseline

867
00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:07,800
from which he was working was just
so low that how do you I mean,

868
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,599
I have him technically fifth, but
I didn't after Johnson, I probably

869
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:14,000
would have had abdia fifth, to
be honest with you, Yeah, I

870
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,079
mean if you were only measuring afdia
over like the last I don't know,

871
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,880
five pe weeks. Yeah, just
he might just win it. He's not

872
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,199
gonna win it. But yeah,
okay, so I guess I think you

873
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,119
kind of have to all look all
all started, maybe all start at the

874
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,239
top and then we'll work down.
And because we've talked about it, I

875
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,400
hope we don't have the same guy
again. Otherwise this is a terrible podcast.

876
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,079
I didn't think podcast, but I
think we have. I think we

877
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,559
do. My number one is Scotty
Barnes. Oh no, I have Garret

878
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:45,000
Allen. I'm just kidding. I'm
Scotty Barnes too. I'm just kidding.

879
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:47,840
I was like, what did he
get better? Many apologies? We owe

880
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,760
this guy. Uh. The Barnes
case is kind of what I was alluding

881
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,920
to, is like he was a
really suspect jump shooter and now he's like

882
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:58,880
he was better than passable for a
lot of the year, but now he's

883
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,559
like he's almost double his volume from
three thirty five ish percent thirty four point

884
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:06,159
six to be exact when I was
looking this up, up from twenty eight

885
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:10,239
point one percent. He's proving that
he can be like you know, maybe

886
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,239
you're you probably still want another facilitator, but he can run your offense.

887
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,400
He's become a better defensive player.
He just has become it's interesting, like

888
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,719
he won Rookie of the Year that
still felt weird to me, But he's

889
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:28,280
kind of with an interim year.
In that second year where everybody was down

890
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,400
on him, he's kind of like
reassumed the trajectory that a lot of people

891
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,639
who really loved him as a rookie
thought he would be on. So it's

892
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,159
just he's added skills. I think
that's the key. And he's taken on

893
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:42,840
a bigger role at the same time
and has just improved in like, however

894
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,760
you want to categorize improvement, I
feel like it applies to Scotti. Brnes.

895
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,400
You think that's fair, yes,
And I think the big and what

896
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,360
really differentiates him and I think you
touched on it. I just want to

897
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,440
drive it home, is how much
different his game looks at both ends of

898
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,960
the floor where you know what the
pull up jumper that didn't really stay,

899
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,679
but the stuff he's doing on interior
as a facilitator as a passer. And

900
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:06,840
then his defensive role has changed under
darker Ryakovic for the better. He's been

901
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,800
both more disruptive and smarter, so
where he's just like his closeouts are better,

902
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,519
harder, more efficient blocking jumpers.
He is a better all around player,

903
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:19,079
and I think that type of a
comprehensive leap, it absolutely matters.

904
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:22,639
And so I even think you could
look at it from well, if you're

905
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,800
like you could say, well,
his sophomore year was kind of all over

906
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,039
the place. Is he getting that
bump because he's no. It's like if

907
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,199
you measure him from his rookie year
when he wrot won Rookie of the Year,

908
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,119
like he is, EON's better from
that, And to say, like

909
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,400
I feel like this is someone who
is now an All NBA caliber player moving

910
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,920
forward. That's not something you could
say last season, maybe not something you

911
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,960
would have said after his rookie season. And so I won't say he's the

912
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,880
clear winner, but I'm surprised that
I feel like how the discourse has moved

913
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,760
away from him. I guess because
he had a rough stretch like after the

914
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,480
trades were made, and I think
that's why the door is still open.

915
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:58,599
But like I this is still his
award to lose for me, I think

916
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:02,280
that's right. I bet we have
this same second guy to Kobe White is

917
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:08,079
my number two? Oh man?
Yeah, yeah, he's he well,

918
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:13,280
and I'm sure our argument will be
similar, like he's he's kind of the

919
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,119
same same idea. His role grew
in a major way, and it had

920
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:19,400
to do with injuries in part,
and but it also had to do with

921
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,559
him just getting better. And the
jump he took was from like, one,

922
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:28,480
is this guy like a rotation caliber
combo guard to Oh, this guy

923
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:31,079
is a starting point guard and he's
a good one. Like that. It's

924
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:36,400
almost like, in addition to adding
skills, he sort of solidified himself as

925
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,159
being capable of playing a more valuable
position, which is like, that's a

926
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,239
that's a I struggled. I'm sure
there are examples, but like, I

927
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,199
struggle to think of another guy that
within the span of a year went from

928
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,519
an ify one type of player to
a definite like other type, you know.

929
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,320
And it's like, it's not like
he went from being a guard to

930
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,400
a power forward or whatever, but
it's like, that's a really different thing.

931
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,679
If you can say he's got the
ball every night, like he's our

932
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:07,000
primary initiator and a massive three point
threat and a scoring threat, like that's

933
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,159
that's just a different thing. So
I really value that, and so obviously

934
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,239
you did too, because you have
the same guy at number two. Yeah,

935
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,599
he is just the command on the
game that he has on offense.

936
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,599
It it belies just scoring is what
it feels like right now to me.

937
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:25,079
And I think that's why I felt
comfortable putting him here. And then just

938
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:29,440
the raw number jump is just you
don't want to get too caught up in

939
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,159
that because you want to look at
his role has changes. It's like,

940
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,079
well, no, its role has
changed. Just out he's like you outlet

941
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:36,960
he's a point guard, yeah,
or for general howe if you don't want

942
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,159
to get bogged down by handler whatever. Yeah, And so I'm assuming we

943
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:44,760
have just because you didn't question why
he wasn't in my honors. We probably

944
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,480
have the same number three too,
right, well you almost, I'm I

945
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:54,199
we probably you almost are talking me
into having Jayalen Williams be my number three.

946
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:58,320
I think I better do that so
that we don't have the same number

947
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,039
three. So I think you should
go oh with like who you want to

948
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,159
You can have shan Gun at three, because I'm sure that's who you have.

949
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,199
That's that's who I had. But
I'm gonna change it up, make

950
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:12,559
the shan Gun case. It's it's
it's a little bit because I think you

951
00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:16,000
some people could say if you don't
that he's just doing more of the same.

952
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:20,760
But why is that not the case
for shingun so one, because like

953
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,639
he's getting more touches like so that's
just not the same thing, and so

954
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:27,679
the volume is there the I'm assuming
that you have shang Gun at four now

955
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,719
for that, uh, because your
hater. The defense has gotten a lot

956
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,280
better. I don't know how much
of that has to do with Okay,

957
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,280
well, Jabari Smith Junior got better
defensively, Tarry Eastan before the leg injury

958
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,519
is there doing Brooks? Is there? Fred van Fleet before he's banged up,

959
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,719
is there? He's in the right
spots more. I think he's quicker

960
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,719
on defense than he's been over his
first couple of seasons. And then when

961
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:52,079
you look at what he's doing on
offense, there's stuff to be desired where

962
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,480
it's kind of like this bonus stuff
where you just wish he could take and

963
00:58:54,519 --> 00:59:00,000
make more, like longer range jumpers, not even just three point the way

964
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,880
he's able to facilitate the offense.
Do you need him to lead the break?

965
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:06,400
Do you need him to be in
the half court and go downhill with

966
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,000
his shoulder? He need to do
it from the elbows and the paint on

967
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:13,639
the block whatever. He can facilitate
the offense from all over the floor.

968
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,719
Also has like a lead ball handler, which is something that and I'm not

969
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,920
using this to discredit because I think
Demontas Bonus has had a hell of a

970
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,039
season again, even though the kind
of Sabonus without Fox minutes or thirty.

971
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:29,000
Yeah, he can jump start in
offense in more ways than the Bonus,

972
00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:31,079
but in fewer ways than Yokic.
I hate the Jokic camp so much for

973
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:36,639
him because he just plays. He's
just not like there's a more his game.

974
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:39,119
The cadence to it and even the
aesthetics are just so different when you

975
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:42,639
really watch it. And so when
you look at the way that he's just

976
00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:45,480
able to kind of he's like this
force of nature facilitator. That's how I

977
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:51,119
would almost describe it, where it's
like Nikoliokic feels more cerebral, and it's

978
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:54,159
like what if Russell Westbrook, like
if you took that mindset and translated it

979
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:58,599
to someone who was just passed first, And that's what Shane Guon feels like,

980
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,559
maybe that's not the best way to
sort of go about it. And

981
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:04,480
then like, yeah, I mean
you dig into the numbers and just like

982
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,599
those are up for him this season, and part of that is okay,

983
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:09,519
like, well they're actually using him
differently, but that's gonna have to be

984
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:15,960
part and parcel of any motion improved
player case anyway, And so I considered

985
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,400
having him. I think in the
top three. I think there's a case

986
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,480
for any of these guys just outright
winning the award I have. I'll just

987
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:30,360
throw out a couple more. They're
mostly similar years. I have MAXI even

988
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:35,159
though I just dumped on the like
he's just doing more KAMINGA is there for

989
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:38,679
me? Abdia is there? Jalen
Johnson, for sure is there? Trying

990
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:42,280
to think if there's anybody else today, I think those are. That's kind

991
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,159
of where I. I mean that
Halliburton, you make a good point,

992
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:50,519
like on your list, I know
I do have cominga Okay, I said

993
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:52,440
him before Jalen Johnson, But that
doesn't matter. The order doesn't matter.

994
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:55,519
I am. I'm wondering, like
who are we? Who are we just

995
01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:00,039
forgetting like does Kelly Olynic belong on
this list? By d because of what

996
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:05,760
he was doing as a passer in
Utah? That's ridiculous don't say that.

997
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,760
Hey, I'm just asking questions.
I'm trying to think. I don't have

998
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,800
any more names on the top of
my head. I'm trying to think who

999
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,000
would like who? Well, who
were the first time All Stars this year?

1000
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,320
Maybe that's someplace to start. We
probably named a lot of them.

1001
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:21,039
Let me check it real quick.
This is good. I mean there were

1002
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:23,119
Scotti. Who else was the first
time All Star? Derek White ultimately didn't

1003
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:28,880
make it. Uh. I do
think I will say this, I do

1004
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:32,360
you made the joke. But like
Jared Allen has really broadened his offense this

1005
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,639
year, and so I'd just like
to give him a little shout. I'm

1006
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:38,880
not saying he belongs on this list. I also think Max Shrus just as

1007
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,320
a playmaker this year, the stuff
that he has done there, that's another

1008
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:50,199
name you could throw out, Isn't
that kind of just like, I mean,

1009
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:52,960
he added the off the dribble three, which is just like, become

1010
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,400
one of the most efficient shooters and
off the dribble threes. So if you

1011
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,039
want to he was he was already
Taliburt and Tye. He's Maxie case though

1012
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,360
for him, right, yeah,
I think that I was just gonna pull

1013
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,039
him up to see like if his
shot diets all that much different, I

1014
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:07,639
think, I mean a lot of
it, as Brunson was. Yeah,

1015
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:14,760
I mean he's up four points shooting
a couple more threes a game. How

1016
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,920
about Dante DiVincenzo becoming the best three
point shooter in the NBA. I was

1017
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,920
stunned when that stat went around of
him having the third third most three three

1018
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,400
point makes in the league this year, Like I could not. I mean,

1019
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,599
watching him all year with the Warriors
last year, I liked him,

1020
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:34,320
but it was just like, I
understand who this player is, and there's

1021
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,119
no room to get better. And
turns out just shooting a ton more three

1022
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,800
is there is there is room to
get better. That's a good one.

1023
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:45,239
Jalen Suggs, I'm just going deep
cuts. Jalen Shuggs. Aaron Smith for

1024
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:51,000
sure before he got injured, was
there. Suggs is a really good one

1025
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,000
because everybody who's listened to this knows, like I just would dump on Sugs

1026
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,840
all the time, like, oh, he's got no chance. He can't

1027
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,800
make a post entry pass, he
can't make a shot. So that defense

1028
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,519
does matter, well, now it
does. Now the defense matters because he's

1029
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:05,199
like a credible offensive player. I'm
gonna throw this one out here, and

1030
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:10,119
he's gonna come up again. Isaiah
Joe, just Joe not gonna be done

1031
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:14,159
so much more than anyone else realizes, not just me, but like it's

1032
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:17,840
then I would say a lot of
people realize, that's my my snooty Winnie

1033
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,440
the pooh meme. You're for you
to troll me for what? Now that

1034
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,119
we've mentioned Isaiah Joe, I guess
it's probably time to move on. Yeah,

1035
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:25,159
time to move on. You your
turn to pick. I think,

1036
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,480
uh, let's go. I don't
want to get too toxic at this point,

1037
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:31,360
so let's star Click of the Year. How about we go to Executive

1038
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,840
of the Year. It feels like
it could be another quick one. Okay,

1039
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:38,119
so I think we both are going
to have the top number one if

1040
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:40,920
we want to work our way from
there. But who he regalp Wow,

1041
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,840
we just had a twenty minute discussion
on most improved Player. Anyway, So

1042
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,760
this is one that I'm like concerned, I'm gonna forget somebody, but my

1043
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,599
number one's Brad Stevens. Yeah,
I just don't. I had and I

1044
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:55,360
went on mad Boosti's which is like
an NBA. It's an NBA podcast that's

1045
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:00,559
actually made by the NBA, which
always, by the way, it throws

1046
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:02,360
me when I get a notification like, oh, the NBA tagged you in

1047
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,000
a tweet and I'm like why,
But I went on that podcast and officially

1048
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:13,360
I officially apologized for underestimating the Celtics
this year. Oh good, Brad Stevens.

1049
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,719
I think the only thing that you
could like. The christophs Porzingis trade

1050
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,880
has worked out well on the court. Getting Drew Holliday has certainly worked out

1051
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,760
well for them too, even though
like his offensive scaled back, But that's

1052
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,840
just what happens. Getting Exavier Tillman
like just getting Exavier, like having that

1053
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,039
guy on your team. You built, what should they should be the championship

1054
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,880
favorite, but because we know the
Nuggets, like, they're no worse than

1055
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,559
the second most likely team to win
the title right now. The only thing

1056
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:40,320
you could quibble about is the Jail
and Brown Supermax And that's kind of just

1057
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,119
like, what did you want the
guy to do? Like it's just like

1058
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,480
you didn't really have a ton of
leverage there, but if anything, it's

1059
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,599
not your money, So kudos to
him for spending you know, grousebacks money.

1060
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:54,239
Uh so, I think it was
clearly him. It was Can I

1061
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,920
give you my number two? And
I'm not confident in it? Yeah?

1062
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,239
Please, I'm not confident in any
of the rest of these, by the

1063
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:01,559
way, So I'm with you.
It's my number two. Oh really?

1064
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,559
Yeah. So I'm reticent to say
this just because we might not see the

1065
01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:11,880
team that he built together at all
this season. But like the OGI had

1066
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,960
a ob trayed, was very much
win win. But when you see not

1067
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,119
just the impact he had defensively,
but offensively by removing RJ. Barrett's ball

1068
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:21,079
handling and the way that the Knicks
were using him, the Raptors are I

1069
01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:24,320
feel like the Raptors are using him
differently, even though that R J.

1070
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,000
Barrett continues to say that they're not. It was a risk, but it

1071
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:30,400
was panning out before the injury,
and then to go out and make the

1072
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,079
boy on mcdonovich move at the deadline. I think he's not been great for

1073
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,199
them. He I think he's gonna
be huge, like he eventually said on

1074
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:41,599
his role come playoff time, I
underestimated. I said that Dante DiVincenzo signing

1075
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,920
was fine, and Nick Stanser,
like we we cured our floor spacing.

1076
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:49,599
One, No, he didn't,
but two you came a lot closer to

1077
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:51,840
it than I thought you were going
to do because he turned to the best

1078
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:57,079
three points shooter in the league.
And that story that Fred Katz and I

1079
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:00,599
think Anthony Slayer the Athletic did about
him learning from Steph was really good.

1080
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:02,360
People should check it out. I
actually did not finish it, so that's

1081
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,159
me sort of like that's like retweeting
it without reading it, I guess,

1082
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:10,679
but go read it anyway. So
I'm just wondering if, like, are

1083
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,800
we overwaiting this because it's still so
much of a concept. But I think

1084
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,039
you look the roster they built,
even the Josh Hart deal is just like

1085
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:20,159
to get him to opt in and
then extend, so gave you more flexibility

1086
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:26,079
this year under the hard cap.
That was very smart maneuvering there. So

1087
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,039
I do think he belongs in number
two for now, But there are definitely

1088
01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:31,320
other candidates that I think could still
like sneak up on them. Yeah,

1089
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,679
those were the two good I preface
this by saying, I'm sure I'm forgetting

1090
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:38,599
somebody, and I don't feel good
about any of the rest of this.

1091
01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:43,159
Those are my top two. And
you know, I don't think there's any

1092
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,519
room to argue there. I don't
really have an order for my next three

1093
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,440
names. You need to pick a
third. You know I'm gonna. I'm

1094
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,880
gonna you need to pick a third. All right, I'm picking a third.

1095
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:58,679
I think I am I gonna really
do this, don't I think I'm

1096
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:01,519
gonna do Darryl Morey. Oh all
right? Well, I think Chris Paul

1097
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:09,119
and James Harden would disagree, but
please kick I mean, so he gets

1098
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:12,280
off the James Harden thing. I
mean I can't. I already said it.

1099
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:20,760
Whatever got off the James Harden situation
created that? He created? What

1100
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,039
else he did when I wrote this
up for br the other day? What

1101
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:28,400
else did Daryl? What? What
else have the sixers done here? Kelly

1102
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,000
or bray On? The minimum was
good? What else did they do?

1103
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:34,159
The hiring Nick Nurse was clearly a
good hiring. Nick Nurse was smart.

1104
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:40,079
Moving on from Doc Rivers was smart. There was another transaction though that Uh

1105
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,119
now, I can't remember who's your
third while I think about it. So

1106
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,199
I have Kevin Pritchard of the Pacers. A lot goes into this, I

1107
01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:53,599
think, so one look at what
happened with the Bruce Brown deal and how

1108
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:59,000
you were able to use that as
primary salary matching in the Sakham trade so

1109
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,920
that you didn't need get to whom
you needed to include Jarris Walker or Betta

1110
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,719
mcmathern. And then just look at
the passcal Seakam trade in a vacuum where

1111
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:09,440
it's yeah, Kashi, three first
rounders. Guess what two of those are

1112
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:13,159
gonna be? What bottom ten in
this year in this year's draft, which

1113
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:16,239
everyone seems to hate. That's a
huge swing. I like the Jarrifs Walker

1114
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,079
stuff is TVD. He clearly has
not been good enough defensively, which is

1115
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:21,560
why he's not seeing the floor.
You know, he's been good enough defensively

1116
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,760
to see the floor. Ben Sheppard, that's a nice little pickup by them.

1117
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:29,479
I guess you can quibble over,
well, did they get good value

1118
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,520
from the Buddy Heel deal with just
seconds? And shouldn't they have just let

1119
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,640
him leave if any want wasn't even
more valuable to them. That was the

1120
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,960
other Sixers thing I liked, the
Healed trade. That was one of the

1121
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,640
other ones I liked, So I
get not liking that, but just sort

1122
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,760
of having the I mean, by
the way, getting Haliburton locked up with

1123
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,439
he doesn't even have a player option
on his deal, correct, So that's

1124
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,199
a that's a win for I'll double
check that in case I don't want to

1125
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:54,079
be too wrong on that. But
so that's just even getting him to sign

1126
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:56,399
the extension is just I'm gonna say
that's a win, even though it was

1127
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,800
kind of a no brainer for him. So I the trade really did seal

1128
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,239
it for me. I did.
It gave me pause though, of course

1129
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,600
when you look at and no,
he does not have a player option apparently,

1130
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,640
So I mean that's look, there's
the language to get the Supermax.

1131
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,399
They'll be happy to pay it if
he's gonna make any will probably if he

1132
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:15,680
meets the game's minimum. So I
like a lot of what the Pacers did,

1133
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,479
and I think they've kind of been
understated. There's some tv D neis

1134
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,680
to there, but the fact that
we don't look at jars Walker and say,

1135
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,239
well, he was definitely the wrong
pick, Like we haven't seen enough

1136
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:27,079
of Taylor Hendrix to say that.
We haven't even seen enough Bilakulabali to say

1137
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:30,920
that. So I really like and
I also feel like this might be a

1138
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,960
reflection of how not sparse the field
is, but just how it didn't feel

1139
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,640
like this was a seismic off season
or like even year for trades. Because

1140
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,560
are you gonna give it to Lawrence
frank for just like pulling off the James

1141
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:45,840
Harden trade? Is that something you're
gonna do? I mean, sure,

1142
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:48,399
if you want, Like if you
want, if that's your logic, I

1143
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,119
think you could make a case for
if you want me to throw. I

1144
01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:54,680
have a bunch of other names here, like I got a couple more.

1145
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,640
Maybe one of these is yours in
no particular order. But what about Raphael

1146
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,800
Stone in Houston? Like yeah,
changed the culture of the franchise new head

1147
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:09,920
coach. I think aman Thompson was
still a defensible pick there. The Dylan

1148
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,000
Brooks contract has worked out the van
fleet like just the the weird at the

1149
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,000
time, right, it was strange
that like what is he Houston just gonna

1150
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:20,319
throw all this like short term money
at guys and try to compete like most

1151
01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:26,880
of you struggle to empowering Shangoon.
I guess although is brook Lopez actually the

1152
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:31,680
Rockets executive of the year for not
signingon become who he became. That's that's

1153
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,840
I don't know, but I think
he deserves mention, right, Like the

1154
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:39,479
Rockets have really have way more hits
than Missus transactionally for the last but you

1155
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,119
know, eight ten months, Yeah, I had him. He was my

1156
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:45,920
fifth, but I didn't really rank
these for my fourth and I didn't like,

1157
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,720
I didn't really know how to reconcile
this. But like the Cavs,

1158
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,119
low key had a heck of an
off season. When you leave getting Max

1159
01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:56,159
Strews, it seems like Dean Wade
should and Sam Merril should be playing over

1160
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,000
George Yang at this point. But
to have the option of the Yang who

1161
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:01,720
really did help you now a gate
those injuries exceptionally well, getting carosel Vert

1162
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,560
back on a deal that's eminently movable
and he's been helping you, I think.

1163
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:10,840
And the Craig Porter Junior find by
the way, Yeah, so I

1164
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:15,199
had him. I have there's one, so I do think, and I'm

1165
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,680
maybe I'm over compensating because I destroyed
him when he made this deal. But

1166
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:23,520
Sam Presty getting Cason Wallace is a
big deal then going out and like Gordon

1167
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,680
Hayward at the deadline, where it's
like you're sort of rolling stuff into it.

1168
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:30,720
That's someone who deserves to mention.
I also had how many more names

1169
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,800
do I have here? I have
one more? Give me yours. By

1170
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,279
the way, you're never gonna go
wrong putting Sam Presty on a list of

1171
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:38,840
the league's best execs. They just
couldn't do it. Unless I'm forgetting something

1172
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,960
they didn't do too much. No, they didn't. I think Mike Dunlevy

1173
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:45,800
had did a really good job,
like Pajemski where he got him, Trace

1174
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,279
Jackson, David last pick of the
draft is playing rotation minutes that got off

1175
01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:54,119
the Jordan Poole contract. I mean, whatever you think about Chris Paul.

1176
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:56,880
Like now, Jordan Poole's contract is
in the conversation for one of the worst

1177
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,359
in the league. He's gotten benched
in Washington, which is really hard to

1178
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:02,199
do. Not extend Klay Thompson,
which I think some other executives might have,

1179
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,079
like just you know, out of
I don't know sentiment, so like

1180
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:10,560
there's there's nothing major there, but
like some bullets dodged and like just an

1181
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:14,279
objectively very good draft. Uh So, I think I think he's not like

1182
01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:15,479
a top three, but I think
he warrants a mention. No that you

1183
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,800
made a k I didn't even you, I like kind of just I don't

1184
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,399
I love pod So I don't know
why it impacted that. In two more

1185
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,439
names, I had one of them
your dal Mory again long list in rank

1186
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,560
them, Lawrence Frank just like the
Clippers having the guts that you have PJ.

1187
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,560
Tucker on their roster. Now,
uh, my other I think I

1188
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,840
have two more names, so this
one I'm not kidding, like the ability

1189
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:40,600
for them to actually reset Michael Winger, Will Dawkins in uh in Washington.

1190
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,039
I think Davis Vernon will mention and
I think this is gonna draw criticism.

1191
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:46,720
And I don't even know who you
can't like could you technically even vote for

1192
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,399
him? But he had a good
trade deadline, and it turns out they

1193
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,800
had a good draft when we thought
they were terrible. You see it.

1194
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,920
Take this award on the way out
to your consult your quote unquote consultant job.

1195
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,920
I'm just I'm saying he set if
he wasn't the one making any of

1196
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:08,239
those decisions, Okay, fine,
like he set the Hornets up really nicely

1197
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:11,399
moving forward. Now I wouldn't have
kept him either, but let's let's give

1198
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,239
him his flowers for how he left. You and I have not talked Hornets

1199
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:20,239
much at all ever, but especially
not lately. I suspect that you're with

1200
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:24,119
me in like I kind of like
the Hornets direction right now. I kind

1201
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:28,600
of I did ten minutes on them
on like the news catch up there and

1202
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,640
look, they just hired they have
like their new lead exec. And like

1203
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,640
that's a big deal Jeff Peterson.
Peterson. Yeah, so we'll see how

1204
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,359
he does. I think it's good
that that look you have him in now

1205
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,680
he can evaluate the talent that's on
the court and then he goes to the

1206
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,760
draft, the off season free agency
process. But yeah, he come check

1207
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,399
being the face of the front office
through the trade devil. I'm just saying,

1208
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,880
like the Hornets, we all killed
them for not taking Scoot Henderson.

1209
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,880
But it's kind of like the only
thing I don't understand, and this is

1210
01:13:55,039 --> 01:13:58,399
a different maybe when we do our
all league mail bag, which if you

1211
01:13:58,399 --> 01:14:00,880
have questions for teams, specific teams
or players, We're gonna do an all

1212
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,359
email bag I think next week,
So email us Harmer Knox at gmail dot

1213
01:14:04,359 --> 01:14:09,000
com or get in our discord.
But the whole should they get rid of

1214
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:12,560
Lamello and build around brend and Miller. I just don't understand where it's like

1215
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,800
those guys are on the same timeline. What is it like? Why are

1216
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,640
we making Yeah? I think I
think LaMelo is an imperfect player, but

1217
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,560
like that is a that is not
someone you move off of right now.

1218
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,840
I think the more talent that's around
him, the more excited I am about

1219
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,640
LaMelo. I'm trying to think if
we if there's anybody else. You mentioned

1220
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,359
Kobe Altman. I think that was
a good one. I appreciate you said.

1221
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,840
I don't do you think Danny Ainge
slash Justin Zadak deserve like any they

1222
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:42,199
did get you on Collins, I
like Taylor HENDRICKX, I like Keante George

1223
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,239
I. I was like kind of
disin not disenchanted, but unimpressed by their

1224
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:49,560
trade deadline though, So I just
don't know, Like I think, I

1225
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,279
think we've covered it between I think
you. I wouldn't. I wouldn't quitval

1226
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:57,640
with anybody say any credit for the
Raptor's tear down? No, no,

1227
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,840
too long, too long? Uh
did finally did it, but it took

1228
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,079
too long in my turn to pick
uh, Well, since it's the only

1229
01:15:06,119 --> 01:15:09,239
one I can see on the sheet. Right now, let's do coach of

1230
01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:12,760
the Year. I like it.
Who's your Who is your coach of the

1231
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,640
year? I would sure it's the
same as you. It's Mark Dagnall the

1232
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,199
Thunder, right, is that what
you have? No? Yes, no,

1233
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:26,279
of course. So like I think
the way I in my ride up

1234
01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:29,800
I did for br it's really I
think Chris Finch is the other one that

1235
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:30,880
I think a lot of people are
gonna throw out there, and I just

1236
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,840
think it's fine if you want,
I'm gonna put Chris Finch too, just

1237
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:39,399
because Minnesota is very good. Might
win the top top seed in the West

1238
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,640
right there with Okay. See,
But the fact that like these are the

1239
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,720
two teams that we get to compare, it's just like it's it's not close

1240
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,520
for who's like had the harder job, for who has done the more complete

1241
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:55,159
job? Right Diagnal's roster is I
think it's the second youngest in the league.

1242
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:58,439
But like for all intents and purposes, it's it's by far the youngest

1243
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:03,199
good roster in the league. And
you know, the rosiest outlook on the

1244
01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:08,079
Thunder, which which we I don't
think I remember. I think one of

1245
01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:10,720
my hotter takes was like the Thunder
are going to take the small step forward,

1246
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,640
but the leap's not coming. The
leap came. It's a bigger leap

1247
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,880
than anyone could have expected. He's
doing this with mostly young players. I

1248
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,159
know there's a ton of talent,
but like inexperience is a real thing and

1249
01:16:20,319 --> 01:16:25,399
he has just overcome that. Like, yeah, Sga kind of makes things

1250
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:30,279
pretty workable. But like the Thunder
play small, they play fast, they

1251
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:32,800
still don't have a ton of bigs. They drive like crazy, like by

1252
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:38,000
design it's driving kick, driving kick, driving kick. They also somehow despite

1253
01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:41,279
being really small. This is again
it's his scheming. This is taking charge.

1254
01:16:41,319 --> 01:16:44,960
This is using other Jalen Williams effectively
lowest field will percentage all out at

1255
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:48,159
the rim, just like you.
Compare that then with Finch, who has

1256
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:54,600
much more veteran talent, whose team's
offense is mid pack sixteenth in the league

1257
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,960
according to Cleaning the Glass, with
like legit offensive talent. Right like you

1258
01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,680
have Anthony Edwards, you have Carl
Anthony Towns, who, whatever you want

1259
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:04,000
to say about him, maybe the
most prolific, not the best, but

1260
01:17:04,079 --> 01:17:08,800
prolific stretch big we've seen in terms
of like volume and stuff like that should

1261
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,479
just be a skeleton key for your
offense if you have a big guy that

1262
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,520
can shoot like that. The fact
that he's a four, I guess changes

1263
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,119
it a little bit. But I
would say the turnovers too, like I'm

1264
01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:19,760
gonna put some of the turnovers on
the coach and the scheme and stuff,

1265
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:24,560
and the Thunder do not turn the
ball over nearly as much as the Wolves

1266
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,800
do despite being way younger. So
that's that's my that's my comparison there between

1267
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,880
those top two candidates. The only
thing I add to Mark Dagnel is also

1268
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,960
having the gall and license. I'm
sure part of that Sam Presty alarm too,

1269
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,720
like we're gonna bench Josh Giddy during
important moments, or we're gonna take

1270
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,560
lou Dord out of the game and
really work the lineup and the matchups.

1271
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,319
I think that's that's a great job
by him and his coaching staff with Chris

1272
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:49,840
Finch. The reason I didn't pick
him is just I look at the Wolves.

1273
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,479
I'm like, well, how much
is this? The Wolves are just

1274
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:57,239
healthier, And I actually think you
mentioned Karl Anthony Towns of all the players,

1275
01:17:57,239 --> 01:18:00,640
Like when you're looking at how creatively
they're used or the difference in how

1276
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,000
they play, it feels like he's
actually impacted. Maybe Karl Anthony Town's is

1277
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,640
the most in a good way.
And then it's like you look at everybody

1278
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,880
else, it's like, Okay,
Ant's made sort of this natural progress,

1279
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,399
but is he being used in inventive
ways? And is Rudy Gobert is like

1280
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:16,920
a little bit more expansive, but
like he hasn't been used a super inventive.

1281
01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:21,359
Yeah, it's way easier to just
point to the talent right for Finch,

1282
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,000
So I don't you don't have it
on the screen right now? I

1283
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,399
was Finch on your top three at
all? Or do you have him up

1284
01:18:27,399 --> 01:18:29,840
there? Uh? Who? I
scrolled off to sco oh yeah, because

1285
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,079
I was trying to see what we
still had left. Sorry, I've cringe.

1286
01:18:31,159 --> 01:18:35,119
I've cringch Chris, Chris Finch is
now cringed. He's five for me.

1287
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:40,079
I guess part of it's also I
was so high on Minnesota heading into

1288
01:18:40,079 --> 01:18:43,319
the season that it was just sort
of like I couldn't quit them. So

1289
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:48,359
my underrest undervaluing him from that perspective. My second guy is Joe Mizula.

1290
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:53,079
In Boston. Uh, it's the
best coach on the best team. No,

1291
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:58,560
Uh, I think we're He became
a meme last year because of time

1292
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,359
outs and stuff. The fact that
he had to take over unplanned mattered,

1293
01:19:02,399 --> 01:19:05,720
and he was a first year at
coach. This like the pieces that they're

1294
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,239
wove, they've woven together, Like
that's not easy to do. Like you

1295
01:19:10,279 --> 01:19:13,560
have Al Horford coming off the bench, you had Drew Holliding and Christops porzingis

1296
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,159
being inserted into prominent roles. You've
gotten enough out of like some of your

1297
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:18,279
bench players where you look at,
oh, things could get iffy for the

1298
01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:21,760
Celtics after their six best players,
Like, no, they're sort of figuring

1299
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:26,479
it out. The defense is absolutely
monstrous. It still feels like there's offensive

1300
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,600
shortcomings, but it feels like a
bug of the roster rather than a fault

1301
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:31,960
than like, oh, Joe Mazzula
doesn't know how to how to do this

1302
01:19:32,079 --> 01:19:35,680
the way he's able to futt and
fiddle and pull different levers with the lineup

1303
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,319
combinations. I went with two for
him, and like, we have to

1304
01:19:39,319 --> 01:19:41,840
pour one out for the Celtics at
some point, Like this is like one

1305
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,000
of the most dominant team statistically we've
seen in some time, so I just

1306
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:48,720
feel like he's and again this might
be another over compensation. I look at

1307
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,680
what he's done. He's also one
of the most efficient coaches when it comes

1308
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:56,640
to out of the time out plays, So like that's a big deal to

1309
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,680
me, and it kind of reinforces
that, oh, this is someone who

1310
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,000
is a tactician. I will go
to my number three And there might be

1311
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:08,279
some recency bias here, but like
Eric Moolser's never won the award and he's

1312
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:11,680
not gonna win it this year.
But like the Heat just being top ten

1313
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,520
in defense despite you know, the
revolving door of transactions and injuries that they've

1314
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,479
had, and now they're starting to
perk up on offense even though they're dealing

1315
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,239
with all these injuries. Even though
if you I'm gonna ask you this right

1316
01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:25,239
now, if the playoffs started today, do you think the Heat even know

1317
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:30,319
who's in there starting five for sure
beyond Jimmy Butler and bam Adebayo. No,

1318
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:35,079
And I think I think that's true. And I think like Spolster's just

1319
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:39,600
the best coach in the league,
right Like, I think that's just that's

1320
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,720
where we are. So it's kind
of the thing where you could just give

1321
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,760
it to him every year, like
it used to be that way with Popovich.

1322
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,800
I think Papovich is not that at
that level anymore. I don't think

1323
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,119
that's any great revelation. But like, Spolster's the best coach in the league.

1324
01:20:51,159 --> 01:20:56,880
So Spolstra is not my third,
he probably should be. I have

1325
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:03,119
no argument there. I have Missoula
three. I'm surprised I have Thibodeaux four.

1326
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:09,760
And it's just like I put a
huge value on a coach that like

1327
01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:15,199
somehow just gets the guys to always
play hard. And like I think,

1328
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,840
you know, the Knicks have been
at least you know, they've changed what

1329
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,800
this roster looks like over the course
of the year. But I think building

1330
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:29,319
this was not an easy team to
like structure offensively or defensively really, because

1331
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:31,319
like you know, everybody knocked them
for like, well they just get offensive

1332
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:34,039
rebounds and kick out threes, AND's
like and I feel like Thibodau' is like,

1333
01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:36,800
yeah, we'll just do that,
that'll work. And then when the

1334
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,079
roster changes again, it's like,
yeah, we'll just be a different kind

1335
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:43,640
of team. And then when the
entire front court's hurt all the same times,

1336
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,000
like, yeah, we'll just keep
winning. I guess I will get

1337
01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:50,119
so the the as hard as the
Knicks play, that's just not every coach

1338
01:21:50,319 --> 01:21:54,159
gets that from his team, and
Tis always gets that, and he's gotten

1339
01:21:54,199 --> 01:21:56,720
it this year, and I think
it's been like a challenging job and he's

1340
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,640
been highly successful with it. So
like not top three, but I think

1341
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,800
I think he just warrants inclusion there. Yeah, I only had and I'll

1342
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,359
pay them all here. I only
had a top five ranking. So Thiboeau

1343
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:10,000
did make my long list with other
so like the fact that he's behind Jacquma

1344
01:22:10,039 --> 01:22:13,880
and Biker Staph and Udoka. It's
not but it's not. It wasn't a

1345
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,399
ranking, but he did make a
fired coach in your in your sixth five.

1346
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,399
That's amazing. No, I'm sorry, I meant. I meant Jamal

1347
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:26,640
Mosley. I didn't mean to have
there. You should have left it.

1348
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,800
That would be amazing. So yeah, uh that's nice, little typeo,

1349
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:36,279
but Jamal Mosley. So my actual
fifth guy was Tyron lou In on the

1350
01:22:36,279 --> 01:22:41,039
Clippers. And just like the integration
of James Harden, that's not easy.

1351
01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:44,840
And to get James Harden to play
differently also not easy, and just like

1352
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,199
yeah, yeah, and then just
like there's there's weirdness where it feels like

1353
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:54,039
they're not as good defensively as they
should be. But we've also seen moments

1354
01:22:54,079 --> 01:22:56,279
where they just racked, not so
much against the Lakers the other night,

1355
01:22:56,319 --> 01:22:59,840
but just moments where they ratchet it
up and they're just destroying guys. I

1356
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:03,359
think that we've seen he's able to
mess with lineups in a way where it's,

1357
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:05,920
oh, does he know how to
use Russell Westbrook properly? But like

1358
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:13,560
the fact that Russell Westbrook has been
not irreversibly damaging to this team is a

1359
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,640
credit to Tyron Lewin, like getting
him to buy into a smaller role,

1360
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:20,600
putting him in certain lineups. And
then also just like seeing it feels like

1361
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:24,880
he knows when to play plumbly or
a Tys and it's like I kind of

1362
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,079
like to look with Tys more than
plumblee. And maybe you have issues with,

1363
01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:30,600
you know, the usage of like
the backups there, but like,

1364
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,000
look at the strides that Zubots has
made under him over the past few years.

1365
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:36,319
I just think his job's not easy
because you had And also just like

1366
01:23:36,359 --> 01:23:40,760
Paul George having to change the way
that he operates, and you could say,

1367
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,840
well, look, this is what
happens when you have your guys more

1368
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,359
available than not. And it's like, well, the Clippers are really good

1369
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,880
when they've been not so much recently. But I think his job has been

1370
01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:51,600
just the James Harden integration, you
could say, looking at the value they

1371
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:55,399
gave up, Yeah, you make
that trade all the time, and it's

1372
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:59,560
yeah, but he's such a hard
piece to integrate after training camp. Yeah,

1373
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,560
so I have to. I wanted
to give him his flowers, but

1374
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,000
you're you're Thibodeaux points are they're definitely
selling it. No lose the next guy

1375
01:24:06,039 --> 01:24:09,840
for me right after Thibeau, you
could, you could have. You could

1376
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,359
put him as high as three if
you wanted to. I think, because

1377
01:24:12,399 --> 01:24:15,840
for all the reasons you said,
so lose there just a couple other guys

1378
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,239
I would mention I have Nurse right
after lou just because like, it can't

1379
01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:25,199
have been that easy to kind of
access a slightly new version of Joel Embiid,

1380
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:28,840
which he sort of did, like
getting him the ball in a different

1381
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,079
place on the floor, and like, yeah, of course it makes like

1382
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:34,920
his em beads touch and like you
know, mid range jumper in just like

1383
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:39,920
unguardability, Like yeah, that's great, but like that's such a bit like

1384
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:44,039
in this era to be like we're
gonna get a guy a bunch of shots

1385
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:46,760
from the elbow, like that's our
plan, Like we're gonna isolate him at

1386
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,479
the elbow essentially and not run as
many picking roles as we used to.

1387
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:54,600
Like that's that's risky at the very
least. And you know, I don't

1388
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,680
know how you weigh the fact that, like, well, Embiid is gonna

1389
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,199
miss half the season, but I
just thought that was good Udoka and Bickerstaff,

1390
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:03,399
So I have the next two of
yours, but I just flipped them.

1391
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,720
I'm trying to think, who else? What do you think about Carlisle?

1392
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:11,800
Do we just credit Haliburton for the
Pacers style or does Carlisle deserve any

1393
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,279
credit for that? I feel like
they've made some This would be a better

1394
01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:18,000
question for Tayling Cooper, like they've
made He's made a lot of concessions,

1395
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,399
it feels like over the past couple
of years there and so it's like you

1396
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:25,399
kind of look at the Pacers offense
and the lineups that he runs where he's

1397
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:29,119
Kew's small, and he clearly doesn't
exert as much control over it from the

1398
01:25:29,159 --> 01:25:31,479
side lines. I think he's a
Again we're talking about like we're going more

1399
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,960
than a third of the league deep
here. That's also why I have I

1400
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,880
feels like Pelicans fans get frustrated with
him a lot, but like, when

1401
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,479
you look at this team on paper, you should not be a top seven

1402
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,800
defensive team, and guess what you
are. And he has priors that show

1403
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,960
like this is a guy who knows
how to coach defense and his opponents,

1404
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,840
his teams when it comes to like
getting back in transition or running these lineups

1405
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,680
where it's like, why are they
good defensively when like Jonas Valencudas is on

1406
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,560
the floor and he's in Ingram neither
none of those guys are good defenders.

1407
01:26:00,399 --> 01:26:02,560
Ingram could be fine at points,
but yeah, like and Zion is definitely

1408
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,159
like the point he was at last
year before his injury, it felt like

1409
01:26:05,159 --> 01:26:09,119
he was turning a corner defensively,
and very much this year it doesn't necessarily

1410
01:26:09,159 --> 01:26:12,600
feel that way. The way CJ. McCollum is defended this year as kind

1411
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,760
of like someone coming out of the
corners and that's been great for the Pels.

1412
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,279
So just a name to throw on
like the long list. But like

1413
01:26:18,359 --> 01:26:21,000
you look at some of these names
and like, let's use Willie Green as

1414
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,680
an example, or even Rick Carlisle. Their team just shoot up the standings,

1415
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:29,239
down the stretch runt like they could
find themselves in an entirely different order.

1416
01:26:29,279 --> 01:26:31,399
Because Coach of the Year is always
just loaded. I think Dagnault has

1417
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,199
it unlock, but Coach of the
Year is always sort of where it feels

1418
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:39,279
like the margins are thinnest. Oh, just put Spolstra on mind too.

1419
01:26:39,359 --> 01:26:42,720
There just as I can't explode.
You didn't even mention him on your owner

1420
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,800
videos. Do you want him?
I'm gonna put him at the bottom and

1421
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,039
make you feel really good. Fine, I just need him to be there.

1422
01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:49,359
He's like a Coach of the Year, Coach of the Year candidate.

1423
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:53,079
He married, he has tenure,
like he's just gonna be win it at

1424
01:26:53,079 --> 01:27:00,159
some point, right, He's got
to win it at some point. We

1425
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:02,119
are cutting our awards off there because
it is late and we will publish.

1426
01:27:02,199 --> 01:27:06,119
We have Rookie of the Year,
Defensive Player of the Year, and six

1427
01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:09,479
Man of the Year. So three
big ones We will get to those and

1428
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,840
those will come out on Monday.
But now it's time for some stat padding.

1429
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,680
Guess a player will come back also
on Monday, hopefully, so you

1430
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,479
can send those to us if you
have them, message me on Discord or

1431
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:23,039
Grant on Discord. Shout out to
Mike Yah has a ton of them in

1432
01:27:23,079 --> 01:27:25,000
the bank for I think he's the
only one that has any in the bank

1433
01:27:25,039 --> 01:27:27,439
for me at the moment. I
don't know about you, but I get

1434
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,520
to send them to me. Yeah, let's get to some stat padding.

1435
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:31,800
Grant, what do you got for
me? All right? Dan? So

1436
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,199
just to illustrate how long it's been
since we spoke, we hadn't talked.

1437
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:40,359
Last time we talked to Victor Wemben
Yama did not have a five by five

1438
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,560
game. He almost had two.
But that has prompted a little bit of

1439
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:49,520
research. Who cares about these stupid
round numbers and matching aesthetic five by five

1440
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:54,640
stuff? Dan? Can you name
the two players who have had a five

1441
01:27:54,720 --> 01:28:00,319
by six game in their careers?
I will give you three strikes. They've

1442
01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:02,920
had a five by six game in
their careers. So that, just to

1443
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,880
be clear, that's the five categories, points, rebounds, blocks, assist,

1444
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:10,039
steals, got to have at least
six of those. There's only it's

1445
01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:15,600
only happened twice. Hakeem, correct, I'll give it to the wine.

1446
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,680
This is ridiculous, so stupid.
Thirty eight points, seventeen rebounds, twelve

1447
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:24,880
blocks, seven steals, six assists. This was on March tenth, eighty

1448
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:30,119
seven, in a double overtime loss
he lost to the Seattle Sonics. Played

1449
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:36,359
fifty three. Okay, David Robinson, No, I think he's oh he

1450
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:40,119
might. I think he's got a
ten block game, but he does not

1451
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:45,880
have. I'll give you this player
obviously not active, well not obviously he's

1452
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:50,399
not active anymore, but he is
someone that like would have been I think

1453
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:55,079
right around or just before, like
when you really got into the NBA.

1454
01:28:55,239 --> 01:29:00,239
So we're talking like early two thousand's
into like mid two thousands, maybe into

1455
01:29:00,279 --> 01:29:03,199
the twenty tens, when he was
like in his in his prime, really

1456
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:09,760
short prime too. Grant Hill,
No, I can give you some teams,

1457
01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:13,520
the teams will give it away probably. Uh, let me just use

1458
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:20,039
my third strike up here. Uh, you're mid twenty tens, he was

1459
01:29:20,079 --> 01:29:25,000
in his prime. I think.
Let me Yeah, Basically I'm trying to

1460
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:33,520
think exactly when it was also a
foreign born player. All right. The

1461
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:40,359
career career was from two to fifteen
O two to fifteen. Who the hell

1462
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:46,680
is this guy? So drafted before
Lebron? My god, I don't even

1463
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:51,319
have like a name to throw out
there at this point. All the guys

1464
01:29:51,319 --> 01:29:55,039
that are coming to mind right now, like we're drafted in the nineties,

1465
01:29:55,119 --> 01:30:00,520
so I can't even say them.
This guy was at a true unique player,

1466
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,560
never really won a major award.
He was third and Rookie of the

1467
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:13,920
Year in one. O two was
like it's had some top ten dp O

1468
01:30:14,119 --> 01:30:18,119
Y finishes a bunch of like top
fifteen DPOI finishes one all defensive first team,

1469
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:23,520
one second team. This guy's like
all over the awards, but like

1470
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,079
never winning him He has like some
most improved votes, has some six man

1471
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:30,359
votes in his second year. That's
not gonna help you. That's just bizarre.

1472
01:30:30,399 --> 01:30:38,199
I didn't realize all that I got
an angular person, an angular,

1473
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:45,600
angular looking person. I guess had
some cool hair. I could just give

1474
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,119
you clues that would give it away
real easily. But you're gonna have to

1475
01:30:48,119 --> 01:30:54,800
start. You're gonna have to start
really good friends with Mikhail Prokarov ended up

1476
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:59,760
playing for one of his for his
team under some strange circumstances on a contract.

1477
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,399
No no, oh no, cool
hair. All right, that's my

1478
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:08,399
third strike. Who is it?
It is Andre Kiirlenko? He had,

1479
01:31:09,239 --> 01:31:12,119
wasn't he just like the flat He
had like a weird flock of seagulls hair

1480
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,920
one time for a few Oh yeah, you're right, you're right, and

1481
01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:19,159
had like weird spikey due so January
third, two thousand and six. And

1482
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,520
this tells you everything you need to
know about the era. In a ninety

1483
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:28,119
to eighty win against the Lakers,
fourteen points, nine assists, eight boards,

1484
01:31:28,199 --> 01:31:31,279
seven blocks, six steals. He
also has like, well I might,

1485
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,920
Yeah, I can't. I can't
give you more information. Yeah,

1486
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:38,680
those are your those are your five
by sixes. So pick it up,

1487
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:44,479
Wemby. You haven't accomplished anything yet. I'll give you another one. Can

1488
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:49,680
you name the two players who have
had twenty twenty twenty games, twenty points,

1489
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:53,720
twenty rebounds, twenty assists. The
first to just be your guests for

1490
01:31:53,800 --> 01:32:00,640
whenever a ridiculous stat like that is
thrown out there, matgew Johnson even more

1491
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:05,319
ridiculous. And actually the twenty is
kind of appropriate for this guy because he

1492
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:13,439
one of his stats that he claimed
involved twenty thousand what Jokic? No,

1493
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:19,920
go way farther back? Fat Lever? Oscar Robinson? How was fat Lever?

1494
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:25,439
Just like in Just Ready to be
ever pops up in like every weird

1495
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:29,479
statistical search that I ever do.
So yeah, this guy is the guy

1496
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,319
that pops up when you're like,
that's a stupid number. Whoever did that?

1497
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:38,680
Like if you were to say someone
average fifty points a game for a

1498
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:45,359
season or someone will, Yeah,
it's Wilt. The other guy did it

1499
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:53,439
in twenty eighteen nineteen Russ correct,
Okay, crazy Wilton Russ just joined forever.

1500
01:32:54,199 --> 01:32:57,920
All right, this this one,
you have fifty percent chance of getting

1501
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,920
every one of the next questions?
Right? Who has more five by four

1502
01:33:01,039 --> 01:33:05,680
games? So five points, five
rebounds, five assists? Sorry, four

1503
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:09,840
of all those things? Can you
report yourself in case I decided to cut

1504
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,560
this up? And can you say
you? Can you also say which NBA

1505
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:17,159
player? Sure, because we get
because sometimes we talk about the defunct usbl

1506
01:33:17,319 --> 01:33:23,199
players, Dan who has more five
by four? Which NBA player has more

1507
01:33:23,239 --> 01:33:26,479
five by four games? One more
time? Everybody, this is you're just

1508
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,840
watching the sausage being made. Dan, which NBA player has more five by

1509
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:35,560
four games? David Robinson or Kareem
Abdul Jabbar David Robinson correct thirteen to ten?

1510
01:33:36,399 --> 01:33:41,359
Dan? Who has more five by
four games? Andre Carolinko or Josh

1511
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:44,960
Smith? Josh Smith? It is
Josh Smith. Good job by you.

1512
01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:48,119
Which NBA player has more five by
four games? Michael Jordan or Ben Wallace?

1513
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:53,479
Ben Wallace? Yeah, broken streak? It is Michael Jordan eight to

1514
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,279
five. I don't know if I
said Josh Smith had ten? Ak forty

1515
01:33:56,279 --> 01:34:00,079
seven had nine? Does Scotty Pippen
or Anthony Davis have more five by four

1516
01:34:00,119 --> 01:34:06,039
games? Scott? It is Anthony
Davis. Last, Dan, which NBA

1517
01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:11,560
player? Which NBA goat candidate has
more five by four games? Lebron or

1518
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:17,600
Kobe Lebron trick? Question? Both
have zero? I hate BOMs. I

1519
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:23,920
hate you all right, I have
a I just I was like shocked looking

1520
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,720
down the list, like never once
you would think Lebron would have done it

1521
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,439
four steals and four blocks? Like
how hard is that for him? Uh?

1522
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,920
Dan? Last one, this is
we're getting away from players now.

1523
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:41,039
Dan. There are six NBA head
coaches that have at least one hundred playoff

1524
01:34:41,079 --> 01:34:45,119
wins. I'm gonna give you three
strikes. Name four of them. Greg

1525
01:34:45,159 --> 01:34:57,720
Popovich correct one seventy. Eric Paulstra
one oh nine, also correct. Two

1526
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:04,399
guys have more than Popovich, Red
warback. No playoffs weren't long enough back

1527
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:09,680
in the day, not enough rounds. It's a great point two guys.

1528
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,880
Phil Jackson correct, leader at two
twenty nine. Probably not gonna see that

1529
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:18,399
ever touched man whom I forgetting.
It's not Doc Rivers at least you know

1530
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:25,479
that, Isn't it Doc Rivers.
He doesn't have more, but he does

1531
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,000
have one hundred and eleven, so
he does get you there. Uh do

1532
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,239
you want to get? You got? You've achieved four with one strike,

1533
01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:33,840
so you can keep going. You
can try to sweep the category. There's

1534
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:38,520
only one, two, three more. You're gonna get at least one more.

1535
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:42,359
I think, do you think I'm
already out of Uh, I'm already

1536
01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:46,039
out of him? Uh? Coach
the primarily the Lakers and the Knicks in

1537
01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:50,720
that order. Pat Riley. Damn, Yeah, that's number two. Actually

1538
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,319
there's only one more, so and
you're not gonna get him A Larry Brown

1539
01:35:54,359 --> 01:35:58,119
has one hundred on the dot.
Steve Kerr has ninety nine. Good job.

1540
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,560
That's all my stat padding for you. All right. I have a

1541
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,720
couple. I have two long categories
for you. Are you ready? There

1542
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:08,600
are there? They're which players?
So you have a fifty Well one of

1543
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,239
them's opinion based. The first one's
opinion based. Are you ready for it?

1544
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,239
I'm so ready to I can give
an opinion. That's easy. These

1545
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:16,439
are gonna. I have thirty sets
of players, so there are sixty players

1546
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:21,840
here. Grant which NBA player would
you rather have for the next five years?

1547
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:29,760
Anthony Edwards or Tyre's Haliburton, gimme
Tyr's Haliburton. Devin Booker or Jason

1548
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:35,159
Tatum Tatum, Scottie Barnes or Kad
Cunningham. Oh, that's a good one.

1549
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:39,720
I think I go Scottie Barnes kids
Kid's coming on. But I like

1550
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:44,520
what Barnes does done this year.
Jalen Brunson or Trey Young. I think

1551
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:51,640
I take Jalen Brunson, Luka Doncic
or Shake Gilges Alexander. I have to

1552
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:57,399
say, Luka, Doncic, bam
Adebayo or Chet or Chet Holmgren, Chet

1553
01:36:57,399 --> 01:37:02,000
Holmgren. Easy, Wow, Jam
Moran or Zion Williamson. Oh, Dan,

1554
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:09,840
why would you do this? I'm
gonna take Jah Oh, Brandon Ingram

1555
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:17,720
or Jalen Brown. Hmmm, pass
no answer. I'll take Jalen Brown,

1556
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:26,199
Jared Allen or Evan Mobley. I
gotta take the upside with with Mobley.

1557
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,319
That's how it's bizarre that that's that. It's hard now to answer that.

1558
01:37:30,359 --> 01:37:35,760
Tyres Maxie or Donovan Mitchell, Donovan
Mitchell, LaMelo Ball or Darius Garland.

1559
01:37:36,399 --> 01:37:42,319
I think I go LaMelo, Jimai
hawk As Junior or Brandon Perjemski, give

1560
01:37:42,359 --> 01:37:48,680
me Pods I knew it. Nicolea
Jokich or Victor Wembin Yama Oh five five

1561
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:56,359
years? Yeah, Oh that's horrible. Why would you? I'll take Wemby?

1562
01:37:56,399 --> 01:38:00,399
Why not? Wow, that's the
wrong answer. Alpern Shangoon or Karl

1563
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:06,960
Anthony Towns, Shane Gouon, Herb
Jones or Trey Murphy the third Ooh,

1564
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:11,560
give me Herb. I'll take the
one premium skill. I'm sure I'm getting

1565
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:17,600
there. Anthony Davis or Pascal Siakam
Davis, Kyrie Irving or Damian Lillard.

1566
01:38:18,319 --> 01:38:23,720
Oh five years, I think I
have Oh, they're actually Kyrie's like sneaky

1567
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,760
old right, what's the difference thirty
one to thirty two. I know I'm

1568
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,199
just ruining this cut up, but
I think I I think I go Kyrie.

1569
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:35,840
I think I think that's the right
answer based on ages. Larry Marketen

1570
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:43,960
or Derek White marking in Paolo ben
Caro or Jalen Williams. Jalen Williams give

1571
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,960
me a hard one, No,
that was big Jalen Williams. Wow,

1572
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:53,640
Jannis attent to koopo or Joel embiid
Oh, Jannis, I'm too worried about

1573
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:59,439
him BID's health. Scoot Henderson or
Brandon Miller. I gotta go Scoot.

1574
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,640
I'm not I'm gonna get scared off
by the rookie year. I'm not gonna

1575
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:08,079
do it. I'm not jumping ship
yet. Daron Fox or Jamal Murray.

1576
01:39:09,039 --> 01:39:13,560
I think I probably go Fox.
But that's a close one. Emmanuel Quickly

1577
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:17,359
or Austin Reeves. Oh Man.
At this time last year, I would

1578
01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:21,439
have said Reeves in a heartbeat.
I think I still probably go Reeves.

1579
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:28,439
R J. Barrett or Jalen Green. These are such good ones here,

1580
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:34,760
diabolical. I will take Jalen Green
just on the upside possibility. McHale Bridges

1581
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:41,960
or Franz Wagner. I think Bridges, Desmond Vane or Devin Vassell, Bain

1582
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:48,520
Blah COOLi Bali or Patrick Williams cool
Bally, christophs Porzingis or Domas Sabonis.

1583
01:39:49,239 --> 01:39:56,840
I take Porzingis wrong answer. Jalen
Duran or Derek Lively the second? Hmm,

1584
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:00,960
I think I probably go Lively.
I'd value the defense. I know

1585
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:06,960
I'm getting defense there. Isaiah Hartenstein
or Mitchell Robinson. Don't I get both?

1586
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:13,119
I guess I would take Hartenstein.
Is that crazy? I think that's

1587
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:17,960
the right answer. That's the end
of that block. This one there there

1588
01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:23,000
is I have twenty five sets of
players, and there is a correct answer.

1589
01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:28,119
Okay, are you ready? I'm
ready? Which NBA rookie scored more

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total points during their first regular season? Kevin Durant or Lebron James Lebron.

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That is correct. He had Kevin
Durant beat by about thirty points. Blake

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Griffin or Alan Iverson Iverson. That
is incorrect. Blake Griffin eighteen forty five

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to Allen Iverson's seventeen eighty seven.
Okay, Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Michael Jordan

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Kareem Didn'tkareem Win MVP is a rookie. That is correct, but he only

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had Jordan beat by like fifty points. Wow. That Damian Lillard or Donovan

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Mitchell Mitchell that is correct. He
had one thousand, six hundred and sixteen.

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Lillard had one thousand, five hundred
and sixty two. Luka Dancic or

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Trey Young Trey correct fifteen forty nine
to fifteen twenty six. Steph Curry or

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Anthony Edwards Anthony Edwards That is incorrect. Steph had thirteen ninety nine. Ant

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had thirteen ninety two. So I
think I was more sure about that than

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anyone we've had so far. That's
why you've always been to Steph hater though

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true. Derrick Rose or Andrew Wiggins
Wiggins that is correct thirteen eighty seven to

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thirteen sixty one. Chris Paul or
Russell Westbrook Paul That is correct by two

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points, twelve fifty eight to twelve
fifty six. Shaquille O'Neil or David Robinson.

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Oh, I'll say, I'll say
the Admiral David Robbins that is correct.

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He had him by one hundred points
nineteen ninety three to eighteen ninety three.

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Scottie Barnes or Kay Cunningham. I'll
say, kid, that is incorrect.

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Scotty Barnes had eleven thirty four,
Kate had eleven fourteen. John Morant

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or Jason Tatum Morant that is correct
eleven ninety three to eleven twelve. Carmelo

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Anthony or Tim Duncan Duncan that is
correct by six points one thousand, seven

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hundred and thirty one to Melo's one
thousand, seven hundred and twenty five.

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Devin Booker or Dwayne Wade Booker That
is correct one thousand and forty eight to

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nine hundred ninety one for Wade.
Dylan Brooks or Shay Gilgris Alexander. It

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better be Dylan Brooks because you put
him on this question. That is that's

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correct Dylan Rooks eight ninety eight,
Shay eight eighty nine, LaMelo Ball or

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Jamal Murray Lamello incorrect eight eleven for
Jamal eight oh three for Mello, Bradley

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Beale or Zach Lavine Beale correct by
two points seven eighty to seven seventy eight.

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DeMar Derozen or Desmond Baine who bain
incorrect, Demarta Rozen six sixty two

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Baines six twenty five. Kobe Bryant
or Jimmy Butler. Oh man, it's

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gotta be Kobe. It is correct
five hundred and thirty nine. It's not

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even close. Jimmy Butler scored one
hundred and nine points as a rookie because

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Butler was not sure to be in
the league at that point for a couple

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of years. Okay, yeah,
but Kobe's was so low. I wanted

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to see if I could trick.
I was scary. I was nervous.

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01:43:50,399 --> 01:43:55,960
Joel Embiid or Scottie Pippen, I
mean, is it a trick question?

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Are you counting the first year that
Embiid actually played, Yes, that's his

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rookie season. Come on, all
right, I'm just I can never know

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with you, uh, Scottie Pippen
or Joel Embid. I'll say Embiid that

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is correct. Six twenty seven is
six twenty five. Giannie at Teta Kumpo

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or Zion Williamson. Oh man,
the game is played. I'll stay.

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I'll say Zion that is correct.
Five forty five twenty five. Kawhi Leonard

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or Tyrese Maxi I'll say Kawhi correct
five oh seven and forty eighty eight.

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Bam Adebayo or Domas Sabonis. I
think Bam incorrect by two points. Domos

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had four seventy nine, bam had
four seventy seven. Nikola Jokic or Dirk

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novitzky Ooh, Dirk incorrect and it's
not even close. Nikoliokic seven ninety six,

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Dirk three eighty five. Oh,
double them up. Basically, that's

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right. Paul George or Pascal Siakam. Paul George that is correct, and

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it's not even close. Paul George
four seventy six, Siakam two twenty nine.

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01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:15,840
Tracy McGrady or Franknelackina. I'm gonna
say Frank, and I don't care

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01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:19,800
if I'm wrong. It is Frankielackina
from sixty three to four, p.

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Fifty one for t Mac, I'm
curious we'll know how many people made it

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to the end of this podcast by
the answer to that question. I feel

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pretty good about my hit rate on
those I was gonna tell you had a

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very high hit rate. It was
actually wildly disappointing. It's pretty lucky because

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they were so close that, like, I can't claim to it be like,

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oh, well, it's definitely this
guy. You can tell. I

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don't know if our hardcore listeners enjoy
this, you could tell, I know

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what the YouTube shorts community wants to
hear, right, I can get it

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now. Just a lot of just
a lot of one guy versus another guy.

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Man, those were tough. The
uh the Kobe one was real scary.

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But yeah, I wish now I
could remember, like Jimmy Butler had

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I think he did. Jimmy Butler
win Most Improved or is it just like

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anecdotal that all he could do was
play defense and then he turned into a

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number one option. I forget what
one most improved, but I'll look that

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up too. But like I do
remember that it was kind of like,

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oh, Jimmy Butler Bailey played as
a as a rookie and he didn't even

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play that much as a sophomore.
I don't think if I remember correctly,

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Yeah, Jimmy Butler won Most Improved
in twenty fifteen, thirty years probably.

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Yeah, So he played his first
season, he played a total three hundred

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and fifty nine minutes, and then
he immediately shot up to two than one

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hundred and thirty four in his second
season. Yeah, so he didn't actually

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win it until his fourth season.
Wow, and that was when he like

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really because he scored under a thousand
points in each of his first three seasons

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and then shot up so like in
twenty fourteen to fifteen he averaged eighteen point

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six up from twelve. That was
per thirty six. Excuse me, he

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averaged all that might be spot on
since he was playing for TIBs. He

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averaged twenty points during his most improved
campaign, up from thirteen point one,

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but he had established himself as like
all world defender by that point. Yes,

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01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:05,039
I mean we talked about most of
like what is most improved? Like

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that's that Jimmy Jimmy Butler is the
quintessential most improved guy because he became a

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different player, like you know,
over probably over a couple of years.

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01:47:14,119 --> 01:47:16,840
But I think like him and even
I still think I think I had Shay

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is my most improved lecture, Like
even Larry Marketing where they're just like this

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01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:25,560
completely different guy is like in the
the spirit of most improved for me.

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But I do think you do have
to wait, like, oh, if

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this player is already really good and
we're not sure if they're a star,

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but then they make that leap into
megastardom. That certainly matters too. Yeah,

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01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:36,039
do you want to take us out
of here? Man? If I

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01:47:36,039 --> 01:47:40,199
can remember how since it's been so
long, everybody, thanks for listening.

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01:47:40,399 --> 01:47:43,399
Uh, thanks for you know,
these are all organic stat padding, so

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01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,319
we're not gonna thank anybody for stat
patting. If you don't know, please

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01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:50,600
rate, review, subscribe, follow
us. Oh yes, can I interrupt

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01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:55,039
if you're still listening. We have
been downvoted again, and I don't know

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01:47:55,079 --> 01:47:58,960
why did. I haven't written anything
controversial, you haven't. Was it our

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01:47:59,039 --> 01:48:02,359
player position rankings? Maybe? But
please head to Spotify and Apple and Juice

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01:48:02,399 --> 01:48:05,680
the five star ratings and reviews.
I want to see those numbers and ratings

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01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:09,279
shoot up because we're getting voted down. I don't even know. Normally,

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01:48:09,279 --> 01:48:11,479
I know what we did. I
don't know what we did this time.

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01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,760
It's it's probably worse if we don't
know what it was, all right,

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01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,520
because we're just gonna do it again. Most likely you might have just done

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01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:23,920
it. Maybe maybe maybe talking about
down votes gets you downvoted. Have you

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01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:27,600
ever thought of that? Nobody likes
self pity in the in the podcast game

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01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:30,560
yeah, so go rectify that.
Everybody, please up vote, do the

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01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:33,520
opposite of down voting. Can you
upvote on Spotify? I don't even know

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01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,800
thumbs up. You can give ratings, but not reviews on Spotify, I

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01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:40,439
don't think, so go give five
star ratings across both. And I like

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01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:43,600
the number of ratings we have on
both those platforms relative to the number of

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01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,880
listeners we have, it's not even
close. So if your vote counts a

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lot, then like a percentage,
So get out there. I should probably

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01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:53,079
go do that. I have done
it. And and by the way,

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01:48:53,239 --> 01:48:56,239
tangentially, we are looking for a
new co host of the Hardware Not Podcast,

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01:48:56,279 --> 01:49:00,159
someone who knows that to rate their
own show. I'm the problem that

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01:49:00,199 --> 01:49:03,079
we've known this for a long time. You've been down voting us. Yes,

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01:49:04,359 --> 01:49:09,479
it's you know. I don't believe
in positive reinforcement. It's all.

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01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:14,000
It's all sticks, no carrots for
me. So let's do better both you

1706
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:19,119
you guys. If merch you links
for all of our stuff YouTube and podcast

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01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:23,560
description, what else would I forget? I think we should just that's enough.

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01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,520
We've talked about our day sport like, let's get more mon our discord.

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01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:28,439
Get on there. Give us guests
of players, give us a litol

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stats to talk about, doing the
conversation, so on and so forth.

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Apologies to Jared Allen. Shout out
Frank Millerkin,