Hello everyone. I'm Martin Willshire, host and we have a great guest in
the UK tonight, David Jones. He's been working on the Ramie or Roswell
memo as it's called either one, and I've had a fascination with this for
a very long time. I'm looking forward to speaking to him now. There's
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our guests in. Welcome to the show, David, Hell, I'm Martin.
It's good to be with your fans. Haveing. I've always been fascinated
by this and what I've said to skeptics a number of times when they say,
oh, it was nothing, but you know the mogul or There's been
a number of versions of what people try to write this, you know,
the Roswell incident off as but the thing I always come up with, is
why on earth would the press officer of the Army Air Force say that we
captured a disc to begin with? Because there were so many ways that could
have been treated where it would have been suspicious at all. It could have
just not even said anything, you know. That's what I don't think they
were under pressure to release anything out there. So that's what I always say
is and you know, what is your thoughts on why they would have come
out with that press release? Well, that's exactly, isn't. We don't
know why Walter Hout, Lieutenant Walter Hout, the press officer for the five
OW Knife bomb Group in Roswell, New Mexico. We don't know why he
issued a press release. At least the Air Force hasn't told us. They
haven't given any explanation. All we know is from Walter Hout himself, who
died I believe in two thousand and five. But he always said that he
was instructed to write the press release for the local media, to local newspapers,
to local radio stations in Roswell by the base commander at Roswell Army Airfield,
Colonel William Blanchard. And I can't see there been any other possible reason
why you would have written a press release and distributed it, right, right,
So, yeah, I never really get a very clear answer. One
person did say while they did that because they wanted they would rather it be
a flying disc than the Russian spy balloon, which of course was made out
of very mundane materials and didn't have anything other than you know, I mean,
yeah, you get that. So and this happened, of course,
it happened a long time ago. One of the things I saw in your
book that I really agree with is that the whole thing is so convoluted between
myth and reality, and I think as time goes on, unless you know,
something is really discovered and in factuals, that it's going to continue to
do that. I mean, you know, it's kind of a circus every
year, and the you know, the annual event or part of it is
a lot of people are you know. I just think it's a cool thing
and it's fun and you know to you know, dressing the Little Green Men
costumes and all that. You know, so it really takes on kind of
a life of its own when some of these things do. Yeah, you
know, ever since nineteen seventy eight when well, no. Ever since nineteen
eighty when Charles Berlitz published his book for Roswell Incident, we've had several different
versions of what happened. It's like the waters are constantly being muddied around this
issue, and they were muddied completely in nineteen ninety five when the Air Force
produced their Roswell Report, which gave us what it's now According to the good
folks on Wikipedia, the official explanation for what happened. It was a mogal
balloon, which is basically formed of exactly the same components as a bog standard
weather balloon, that is, a rougher balloon itself and some rad our reflectors
basically, and that's what we're expected to believe that people like Major Jesse Marcel
and others thought was something highly technological, right, right. So I had
followed David Rudiac before in the work that he was doing, and I will
get into all that, the work that you have done and all that,
but it just occurred to me, do you think that an AI tool will
eventually be able to just cipher this thing? I kind of once and for
all all the way through. Okay, that's the only way that people,
particularly in the mandstream media, are really going to accept it. You know,
yes, I've you know, David Rudiak has got his interpretation. I've
got my interpretation, which is vastly different other than a few the words like
weather, balloons, fort Worth, tex and wreck, which I believe David
Rudiac discovered. So it is going to need artificial intelligence. That is today's
society, you know. There, they will probably believe a machine more than
an actual person. You know, she's not opinion needed. That's you know,
that's what they're going for. I think, yeah, yeah, but
it will need artificial intelligence to make it more definitive, I guess. So,
you know, it's such a hard angle that this memo was shot from
and everything and so, but I mean you can definitely, I mean,
just the fact that he had the memo in his hand and then when he
posed I'm going to pull up the picture here when he posted this particular picture.
So just the fact that he had that we're looking everyone knows this that
we're actually looking at the smoking gun right there. Yeah, we all because
all the answers are right there in that guy's hand. Yeah, you know,
the Roswell Report, The authors of the Roswell Report in ninety five actually
commissioned a small study on this photograph. They tried to see if it was
possible to read what was on the document. They didn't get anywhere, but
they did estimate the distance between the cameraman, who was James Bond Johnson from
the Fort Worth Star Telegram and Raymy and his chief of staff, Colonel Debos
at the time, and it was estimated to be one and a half meters
I think. And you can see the panel of the radar reflector in the
foreground of the picture, and that's probably no more than a meter, so,
but cow's not really that far away, I don't think, right.
Unfortunately, it's not a focal point, you know, for that for the
memo, you know, I mean it is they are in focus as yeah,
I mean, you can you know, it's it's we know it was
close enough to capture something on a document, and looking at the picture you
can actually see a block of text on a document already. So I would
like to you know, I mean, there's going to be some people kind
of grumbling when I say this, but I kind of First of all,
I want to ask you what sparked your interested in doing this, But after
we do that, I'd like to kind of give an overview of events that
happened in Roswell. Because I say this quite often on my show, I'm
contacted constantly by people who are just starting to get interested in this topic.
Now, I do realize it even when people are just barely getting interest in
this topic, they probably know quite a bit about Risewell. But I do
think we should just kind of go over a quick nutshell, and if you
folks want to skip ahead, that's okay too. But what First of all,
what was your you know, impetus for starting to look into this and
want to crack it. Well, up until two years ago, I hadn't
even heard of a Ramy memo. I used to be interested in UFOs back
in the nineties, but life look over. I became a skeptic and was
like that for twenty years. But the US Navy tik Tak video got me
intrigued and got me back into the subject again. So in twenty twenty two,
I'm watching an episode of Ancient Aliens and I see the Ramy memo for
the first time. It was only a fleeting glimpse and it had a line
that apparently said victims of a wreck, which which basically, you know,
it said wreck, So that means that it was something solid like a you
know, a dictionary definition of a wreck would be a building, a ship,
or a car that's been destroyed but he's still in one piece. A
weather balloon or a mogul balloon could never really be described as a wreck.
It's wreck exactly. So it was that one word that was a catalyst for
all of this. Wow. You know, it wouldn't surprise you to learn,
but I disagree with most of David Rudiac's interpretation. I absolutely have total
respect for his work on the memo as far as where he discovered the word
wreck. And it started there because I realized, but if that really says
rec it needs to be looked at. It needs serious attention. So that's
when I decided to look into it. A couple of weeks later, it's
the seventieth anniversary of Roswell Crash and watching a series called History's Greatest Mysteries,
and they've got an episode on the Raiman memo and they put it under another
they tried to scan it again, and they were at the University of Texas
at Arlington, who hold the actual negative of the photograph we're looking at now
with Raymy and they wanted to see if it really said victims. They had
a look. It didn't say victims, but what you could see was it
appeared to be a seven letter word beginning with PE, ending with I,
NJ. And Kevin Randall was there and even offered the word pending. It's
not it's not pending because that doesn't quite make a sentence. But it was
a start and it's taught me a couple of days. But I thought maybe
the word is packing, the packing of the wreck, and I only I
only thought about that because I used to work in international shipping and I quite
often I arranged for items, machinery, et cetera to be packed, to
be created, and that's where it started. So I googled Rainy memo,
downloaded a copy of it from the website of the University of Texas, Tarlington,
and started from there. It was It was difficult because my first impression
was this is entirely unreadable apart from the odd word like weather balloons and fort
Worth texts and disking quotation marks, you can see that, but it really
wasn't readable. And that is the default position of many people who know about
RYM in memo. But if you delve a little deeper experiment with the why
you're looking at it, that there are other ways to decipher it and over
the course of the year. That's that's exactly what I try to do.
M So the one thing that I don't want to say bothered me or whatever,
but is the use of weather balloon. I mean that's like very clear
those you know, very too clear words and so that you know, I
mean Devil's advocate. You could say, well, they're saying, well,
let's tell people that it's a weather balloon. That's what I reck I would
think that it would be used at But I don't you know, I don't
know for sure, but I think that's you know, that's exactly what they're
trying to pass off in the photograph. Yeah, is that it's a weather
balloon. So you know, I guess that's how that would fit, you
know. But the word disc in there that that's pretty amazing, and yeah,
yeah, it is an inverted commerce. So it's it's more euphemism,
I think, I see. Huh. So let's go into again. This
is where people may want to skip ahead. But you know this is back
in nineteen forty seven. I know July seventh, which was no I'm not
going to say has something to do with a distance from my birthday. I
don't want to say how old I am, but anyway, I'm not that
old. But anyway, it's it all started when Mac yet Mac Brazil,
he was the rancher who initially found what is now called the ranch debris.
He found a whole pasture field of what looked like tinfoil but apparently wasn't.
They call it memory metal the uthologists. If you scraunched up in your hand,
it would unfil back to its original shape apparently. And then he reported
it a couple of days later when he went into Roswell. That was an
eight am ole drive to Sheriff George Wilcox. I believe that was on Saturday,
the fifth of July. And what we know then, George Wilcox,
the sheriff, telephoned the people that the five and renowned bomb group at Roswell
Army Airfield. Now if anyone doesn't know who the fire or a knife bomb
group is, they dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nakazaki. So they were
fairly elite, well, they were the most elite squadron in the US what
was the US Army Air Force at the time. And it was then Jesse
Marsel, the intelligence officer, accompanied by an agent from the Counterintelligence Corps,
Captain Sheridan Cavett, who went up to the ranch, most likely following mac
Brazelks. They never would have found for place of a wise, picked for
stuff up and brought it back to Roswell Army Airfield. From then on it
was sent to Fort Worth where General Raimie was And then they had a press
conference saying nothing to say here, just a weather blue and we hear nothing
until nineteen seventy eight, when I believe Standard Friedman and William Moore trapped down
Jesse mass Hell and he told his story for the first time, saying that
it was switched, that the real material was switched with parts of the weather
balloon, but he couldn't do anything about it, and the rest is Historumits
right. That's a good nutshell. I remember one of the first times I
had stand on he told me the whole situation. I can't remember if he
said he was at a radio station or TV station and a person didn't show
up or something, and so a person I don't know where he was waiting
said to him, well, if you really have an interest in this,
you should talk to a guy named you know, Jesse, Marcel and Homer
in Alabama or wherever it was. And he says you should go talk with
him because he talks about a crashed you know UFO, that type of thing.
That's how it all started, which is pretty amazing how that all,
you know, because it was it was buried for so long and forgotten about.
And you know, there was a story where I heard it supposedly a
firsthand witness widow say that her husband walked into a grocery store and saw the
Roswell things as well, maybe I can start talking about it, you know.
So there were a lot of people firsthand witnesses that yeah, that was.
That was Sappho Henderson, the widow of Oliver Henderson, who was a
captain who, according to his family, actually shipped the craft and the bodies
from Roswell to right pat as it is now. Let me let me ask
you this because it's always confusing to me, and I hope you can give
some clarity. There's always talk about two crash sites, and what are your
thoughts on that. Yeah, I believe we've got the debris failed in the
ranch. That was the ranch that Matt Brazil managed, so that would be
about eighty eighty five miles northwest of Roswell. And then according to the statement
of Walter Hout that was released after his death, he claimed in his statement,
there was another site approximately forty miles north of Roswell and that's where the
actual craft of the actual vehicle, according to his statement, crashed. So
I think, as far as I'm concerned, what was found on mac Brazell's
land was probably maybe bits of this object, whatever it was, until it
eventually came down to forty miles north of Roswell, creating effectively two separate crash
sites. And more supposedly the bodies were uh yeah, I assume the bodies
were with the actual main bulk of the vehicle. Now here's here's a puzzle
that I've always wondered about. You know. I mean, when you see
Jesse Marcel Senior and he's talking about this whole thing, he says, if
you took a sledgehammer and you smashed it, you couldn't do anything with it.
And if that's the case, you know, how did this thing blow
into smithereens? You know, I mean, that's always been a puzzle.
Yeah, it's a good point. Who knows? Who knows? That's That's
certainly not something I've I've really, I've really thought about. Yeah, yeah,
but the two the two sites, now, I've always wondered also when
looking at this case, about the supposed geology college class that were was out
doing a field field work and supposedly ran into the whole situation, whether that's
real or a myth or did someone make it up? Or you know,
can we can we trust any of it? We don't know. There's so
many people over the decade who have come forward claiming to know this, claiming
to know that, and it's it's difficult. I mean, I know what
you're referring to. I think it may have been an archaeological dig that was
going on and apparently they found something, and I think that was in an
entirely different area. I think the planes of San Augustine have been mentioned.
I could be wrong, but but there may be free four or maybe five
different areas of concern according to the sources of information, and not all of
the sources a trustworthy because they can't all be right. Yeah, that's right,
that's right, and it's so you know, I mean, unfortunately,
I do believe there's no one as far as firsthand suppose of firsthand witnesses.
I don't think there's anyone left, right or not, unless they were very
young, you know, ten years old. Yeah, and that would be
tough to be nothing against ten year olds, but it'd be tough to rely
on a memory from that someone at that age. So when I first started
doing the show in twenty eleven, I know there were people alive. I
can't remember how many either were the witnesses when I spoke with you know,
people like Don Schmidt and Tom I can't remember his last name, Carrie No,
who've done a lot, you know, a lot of writing on and
I know Kevin I've spent on the show also multiple times, Kevin Randall,
and he's done a lot of work on ROS. Well have you actually spoken
to him about No, you have not. Yeah, I wonder what he
he thinks. Well, it'd be interesting to see what he makes of my
work. So, you know, if the opportunity ever arose in the future,
Yeah, or you know, maybe and have a look at it.
Yeah, yeah, I can certainly pass it along to him. I'd be
glad. Oh please don't please do with my regards. Oh yes, yeah.
So I think you know, whatever work you're doing, I think it's
a positive thing and that you're you're know you're you're making a really good attempt.
And so I'm just wondering what it's a feedback ben so far. Well,
it's early days. It's very early days. You know. When when
you're when you've got a document like the Ramy Memo that is seen as unreadable
by most people, it's when you're when you claim that you can read it
and you know how it was all put together. It's it's a hard cell,
you know, it's it's it's not easy. So you know, there
are there are seventy six words on the memo. I've got sixty six of
them. Some are easier to see than others, so there's a problem with
making them out. You've cropped them in a book, enlarged them and I've
indicated where the features of each letter are. But you really do have to
examine the images in the right conditions. You know, if you look in
if you're reading a book, a print book or or an ebook in a
darkened room, you may struggle to see anything, so good lighting conditions are
always advised. Just like you're in a if you're in an art gallery viewing
a painting, you know you need good light coming in and you need to
be looking at it at the right distance. So I say, it's early
days. Yet it's only been the book's been out only a couple of months
now, so time will tell what the auto what reactions going to the positive?
But oh sure, yeah? And what what remains classified about Roswell?
Do you do? You know what what can't we get our hands on?
Well breed of of information? Well, you know, the thing the thing
is about Roswell is any was that? You know, let's let's assume that
an unknown vehicle and biological organisms were recovered. Then would that necessarily be classified?
You know, how can you classify something that doesn't officially exist? And
I think that was a position right from the start. This didn't happen.
It doesn't exist, no paperwork, no photographs, It stays underground. That's
that's my personal opinion. There was a I can't think of his name,
he's it'll probably come to me as I'm going along here. But there was
a guy that I don't know, maybe seven or eight years ago, claimed
you know, to be I think it was he was an intelligence and that
he came across the box that said Roswell incident. Do you know who I'm
talking about? No, No, it doesn't mean yeah, okay, so
he he sort of was. He was sort of a flash in the pan.
I don't think people bought his story. But it was like a box
full of parts or something, you know, of course. Yeah, but
uh, you know, and that's the problem with you know, this thing.
It just keeps going and taking on a new It's so it's so convoluted
Martin, because different people keep on coming up with different theories. You know,
it's a weather balloon, it's a mogal balloon, it's a crashed alien
craft, it's some sort of contraption piloted by Japanese prisoners of war. We've
had everything for oswell, I never heard the last one that's I have.
Yeah. Yeah, So let's get into for the visuals here. I'm going
to pull up this and you'll have control of it on your end. I
can so just be careful not to click that wrong screen, so we'll have
a Okay, I'll just stick to my scream. Yeah yeah, so yeah,
So that's of course, the the iconic image, right yeah. Can
you see my cursor moving? I can. You're right in the center of
the picture. Brilliant, brilliant. Okay, So we've got the the the
legendary picture itself. We've got General Rami on the left, his chief of
staff, Colonel Debos on the right, and Clutch. There is the memo
itself. So this was taken on Tuesday, July eighth, nineteen forty seven,
in Geral Ramy's office. It was, by all appearance is a rushed
press conference, and this was taken in the early evening. We know that
because press reports the following day state that it was during the early evening,
so we're talking six maybe seven pm. The problem we have with this,
Martin, is that those same press reports also tell us that the flight that
transported these objects here from Roswell arm Yeirfield that were allegedly picked up from a
ranch departed Roswell base at ten am the same day. The flight time would
have been two hours to get to Fort Worth, which means when it arrived
Fort Worth at midday, So we've got a six hour window and we can't
account for what happened after working on the memo. I've got a good idea
of what happened, but that's not I think for the authors of the Air
Force publication of Roswell Report actually made clear of yet to see anyone who can
give a you know, anything definitive on what happened during those six hours.
So I read I read in your book that you do believe that there may
have been two copies of the memo, and there were, you do also
believe that they were probably destroyed. Absolutely, Yeah. I think the memo
was sent somehow from Fort Worth to wherever it went to to Raimy Superior's.
I've got a theory that it may have. They may have used a wire
photo machine to send it. That was a device that was used to transmit
photographs over long distances. The The default way of transmitting written text at the
time would have been through a teleprinter. But the problem with that is whoever's
keying the information into the teleprinter may have been able to remember portions of the
text, whereas if you were to send it on a through a photo machine,
all you've got to do is orientate the document around a scroll and transmit
it. I could be wrong, but it's just a theory. So I
think it was sent to wherever it was sent to, destroyed by Raymi,
and then ultimately destroyed at its destination. And I say destroyed because of the
content that I've managed to construct on the Manno. Now, do you think
that anything could have been sent directly to Washington at this time? Well,
anything physical in the term in terms of like remains. No, I mean
an opinion of what they've found. Well, well, I'll just say I
think the destination was the Pentagon. That's my opinion. I can't prove it.
I've got nothing to prove it on, but I can't see it being
anywhere else I see. Are you able to scroll down on this to get
to the other images? Yeah, I can go to the start of lone
one. Sure, so we can have a go at that. Okay,
can you say that now? I can see that. Let me get us
out of this so it's a little bit bigger for the screen again. I
want to tell people that I'm going to have this information in the show notes.
I think what I'm going to offer in the show notes. Besides images,
is the PDF that's lining one through eight that you sent me. I
think that would be helpful to people, So that will be in PDF in
the show notes and is actually at the bottom of each page. You'll see
a little arrow you can click to the next page. So I have a
PDF thing on my website. So here we go, line one. Yeah,
So what I'm going to do, I don't know how we are for
time, so I'll go through this as quickly as possible without rushing it too
much. So as you can say, you've got a cropped image of the
first known word. There are seventy four words in total, I've got sixty
six of them. So this is the first one. It says base.
As you can see the plain text bear and what I've done in the second
image, this is the original cropped word. And this is what I call
a clean version, where I've basically removed the background of the text, which
is the paper it's printed on, which is it's hard to distinguish the text
from the paper, as I'm sure that you and your viewers can can say.
So what I'm going to do is going to trace where we can find
these letters. Now it's a type document. But very few of the words
on the ram In memo look as though they have been typed. They look
as if they've been written with written by hand, so they're in a very
basic form. That doesn't mean they've been written by hand. That's just the
basic form that the camera managed to capture. M hm. So the first
letter here, there's the bee right there. Unfortunately, and the ideal people
won't be able to see this, but you certainly be able to see,
you know, the outline of these words separately, and then what he has
pulled out of them, which must have taken you countless hours working day and
night for a year, and there are many sleepless nights. I can sure
you have that from stress and from from other factors. But for anyone who
doesn't have visual at the end, I will read out the the full interpretation
of the Raymy memo, so they can benefit from that anyway. Yeah,
that's great. So okay, we've got the B there via there you can
see a basic triangle, which means it isn't I. VS is harder to
see, but we can see the bottom of V. S. There there's
the top. The E isn't very good, but you can see a vague
square there. Moving to the next word, R I R A again,
this isn't easy to see. So there's the I again, a vague triangle.
Here's the R and there's the A. V is slanted. You can
see the clean version here and you'll see it's slanted right here in the original
version. M hmm. So the next one, the word here is very
difficult to distinguish between the text and the general mess of a surrounding paper.
But here's the H. Here's the that's that's not very not very precise,
but none of the characters in a ramy memoir, which is why nobody could
do it for so long. Here is VR. What doesn't help. We've
got a shadow at the top here if you can, if you can see
that, that's from the upper half of a raymy memo, which we can't
see because the camera hasn't captured that, so it's casting a shadow. And
the last one is the here the words do get slightly better. Okay,
so we've got the next word at and here's the I. That's slightly better.
He should be able to see a good triangle there, and here's the
T. Here's the column and it does have like a crossbar on it.
That's here. The next word is V. Now this is a word,
as you can see, the clean version that has seen better days. You
can see the TA here. This is the column of the T. This
is the crossbar. V H is here and V is here, although it's
pretty badly distorted. Okay, so I'm going to go to line two.
Okay, here we go. So the first word online two is and it's
slightly better, slightly more prominent. You can see v I here again quite
a clear triangle. The N is not so distinct, but you can see
the square form of VN with a diagonal there connecting the two lines. And
the D looks more like more like an O. But it really does have
to be a day because it can't be any of a word. The next
word is v THHG And we've got the column here, crossbar here, VH
here, and v which is, to be fair, I think, quite
prominent. Yeah, I can see that pretty good. Yeah, then we've
got a good well I think is a clear word. And this is a
word that was meant to be victims. I seeing victims are the wreck victims,
implying there were occupants of a crash. And as I say, when
this was took for a scan during history's greatest Mysteries, they saw this and
Kevin Randall thought, but it might say pending. He was just guessing.
But this got me really thinking, and I thought, it's got to say
packing, which means it was If that was a case, then it had
to be created in wood because you're not going to pack something in a cardboard
box and update someone about it. It's just it's a non event. So
the problem with this, You've got the plaintext here packing, but this is
how it's been spelled p I C I K I J. So we've got
the p here, the I here and that's a that's a pretty good one.
Shows all of the features. And so it had been typed. We've
got the C here squeezed between two letters. We've got an additional aye here.
You think that's just a typo. Unlikely, It could be a typo,
and that's what I was thinking when I first looked at this. But
I think it's deliberate, and I think it was a very crude form of
encryption, basically trying to alter the appearance of the word. That's that's my
feeling. But it could it could be a typo. So the next one
is the key. It's a little distorted, but you can see the left
half here, the upper diagonal here, the lower diagonal here. Now the
next one is the eye. I'm just going to go to the clean version.
This is what I call a column. This is what I call a
head. This is what I call a foot. Vent my own terminology here.
I don't know if it actually exists, but I'm going to carry on
with it. So you've got the foot here, the column here, and
the head here. The end is a little bit better. You've got the
diagonal here, and the left part here and the right part here. The
jury is almost non existence. It's it's quite badly distorted and doesn't really resemble
anything recognizable. Did you did the word pancaking come to mind too when you
were looking at this the packing? No, I always thought it was packing,
but until I got to actually cleaning the word, because I got a
lot better at discerning them, because I had to spend so long looking at
it and then altering the distance from actually looking at it. So instead of
being in front of my computer, I'd get off my seat, take a
few steps back, and I found that the letters came more into focus.
So you may not see something in front of a computer, but if you
were to, say, be a couple of fat away, you might start
to see something. And that's where I saw the second eye I see.
So you you have to look at this visually from different distances. Now,
do I do a lot of work as an appraiser, you know, trying
to break signatures on paintings that are hard to do and all that. Okay,
so I do a lot of that, and I've had to do all
kinds of tricks with photography sometimes. And I'll just tell you this, see
if you can relate to it. A long time ago, my father,
when I was a kid looking at paintings, you know, trying to figure
out signatures. My dad always told me, take a pencil in a paper
and start from the wrong end of it so your mind isn't trying to make
it into a word. So in other words, you just go backwards and
then try to write each and every single letter that you're seeing and go backwards
and see if it comes out to a possible name. And that's actually worked,
I would say, So it's kind of like experimentation. Yeah, and
you just start backwards in that way. Your mind's not trying to tell you
a word. But anyway, I didn't mean to take up time in that.
Just to let you know we only have about twelve minutes. How we're
doing on time for the kindness. Can we skip ahead maybe a little and
do a word at it. Oh, I'm without showing where you're seeing it?
Maybe okay, no problem. We've got the next ones of the Then
we've got wreck. Yeah, that's an important one. We can spend a
little time on that one. A little bit indistinct. This is the word
that I think that David Rodiac discovered and was the catalyst for me actually looking
at this memo, you can see an upside down triangle. Yeah, which
has got to be a W. The R is very narrow, but it's
fair. Then there's a space as indicated in the plain text, and I
think that was put there deliberately to alter its appearance. Mm. The E
is here. You should see the straight left edge of the E there.
M. Then the sea is harder to distinguish, but it's there. And
the K looks a little bit like an X. Maybe it's a little bit
distorted, but it's there. So that tells us that there was something can't
really have been a weather balloon or a moga balloon because it wouldn't be described
as a wreck. Yes, that's import it's it's critical, it's critical.
But there are other words that are just as important. So the next word
is was. That's spelt ws. I see the W here again, upside
down, triangle ves here, and via here. This is a TYPEO that
you would make if you were touch typing and you're in a hurry. And
this is what I thought it was for a while, until I eventually realized
that these mistakes have been done deliberately. Mm hm. So I'll go to
another quite substantial word. Here commenced, it's been spelt differently. Instead of
the C, the second seating commenced a X and instead of the E.
S now. I just want to show you something and it's a keyboard.
Oh I'd love the keyboard up. Okay, I have it up right now.
Here's a good, very close close up. That's a nineteen forties Smith
Corona typewriter. So we looking at the right next to the sea. Okay,
So what we've got instead of a say, we've got an X instead
of an A we've got an S. So I think what we're looking at
is an attempt at basic encryption simply to alter the appearance, which means that
if we go back to line two and commenced, this is only partially encrypted.
And I think this was meant to be done to throw off a person
transmitting the document from Fort Worth from actually realizing what was on the document.
I don't think they were going to read the whole passage, because I think
General Ramy was most likely standing in front of them when it was sent,
so out of politeness that they weren't going to read it all. So we've
got the next word in the and I'll go to line three. I'm going
to speed it up slightly, and we've got E R E as in here
ares a shadow at the left here that is General Raimy's thumb which is blocking
out the first letter. And I think this is meant to be here.
And we've got an next word, which is at, which is fairly clear.
The next word, which is fought with a space between the F and
the oh, again to alter its appearance. And we've got my next word
worth h and yeah, and then we've got text, but it's been spelt.
The tea has been changed with a y. Now if we go back
to the keyboard, HM, we'll look where the tea is as a y
right next to it, So again that's been altered. Probably are necessary,
but I think I think these guys were in a rush to update somebody of
what was going on. So back to line three. Okay, line four
we're on now. So we've got nessis, which is I think it's witnesses,
but the fird free letters are blocked by Raymie's firm. We've got the
en here there the it's very crude, and we've got another saer which is
better to see. We'll indicate that. Then we've got the E here and
a pretty good essay. There's the lower curve and there's upper curve, so
that's witnesses. Then we've got on on I believe has been spelt ah h
O being next to N on a keyboard. I won't go back to the
keyboard. You can just take my word for it. Then we've got the
next word V and we've got disc in inverted commas. We can see the
inverted commas here. We've got the D here, the I here s and
then a very very very rudimentary K. And that's a very important word as
well. It is. It is an important word. So it's in quota
quotation marks because it's a euphemism. Uh. And my feeling is they're calling
it a disc in quotation marks because whatever was recovered probably wasn't shaped like a
disc. That's that's my feeling, based on what based on you know what,
what I've learned through various sources. So the next word is must spelt
missed. Go back to the keyboard. Here's the U. There's why right
next to it. So again partial encryption to alter its appearance. So back
to line four. There's them. There's the Y. You should see the
upper diagonal, the upper half of the Y. They're the upper diagonals right
there. There's the S, and there's the T right there. The next
word isn't very distinct, but it's the word have HIV with its first two
letters transposed. And the next word is new but it's spelt K N r
W. There's the K. It's a pretty good K. There's VN.
The are is quite looks more like a blob, but if the W is
a clear it's pretty good. It's an upside down triangle and if I go
back to the keyboard, yeah, I think you know what. I hate
to do this, but we're going to have to move quickly because k g
r A has a hard stop, you know, in three minutes. So
I think we may have to go to you reading what you let's do.
Let's do it. I'll tell you what we're at. There's the image,
that's the reconstructed text, that's the translation. Mm hmmm. So I'm just
going to read it out and I'm going to indicate where it is on the
message, and it's going to be the translated version. So bice are here
at the and the packing of the reck was commenced in the here at fort
Worth text with is on the disc must have new the higher likelihood hold ship
overnight beings are aliens, tacitly et origin in nature said swap. Swap is
clear. Mysterious remnants of disc BA are going only just show tr being abbreviation
for transposition of weather balloons. Here the ship and load dry ice frozen goods,
and that's it. That's memo. Wow. So how confident you know?
We just have two minutes here, So how confident are you that the
word alien and again, for those of you who are listening or even these
people that are watching Yeah today on YouTube, I will think the show notes
in the link below the text of YouTube and Facebook, so you can go
on the website and actually read through everything that he's explained here. I see.
I'm just going to go to two words this and one final word apen
spelled alien spelled A, P, E, I, J S. There's
the I, there's the pe. If we go to the keyboard, P
is just above L. So P has been as replaced out. There's the
E. There's the eye. They have been transposed. There is a J.
Go back to the keyboard. J is just above then and there we
have a pretty clear S. So I believe that is an encrypted version of
the word aliens. Now I just want to go to line eight because it
says low dry eyes frozen goods. Yeah, that's pretty pretty important. We
just have to we'll just have to buzz through that right now. Okay,
So, yeah, I is spelled I X four. There's the I.
There's the X replacing C, and there is a four. The four is
very very clear. Go to the kayboard. X is next to C.
Four is above the encryption excellent I see. All right, well, thank
you so much. I'm going to pull up your book here. It's basically
called The Roswell Memo that will be linked down below. David Jones, you've
been great. Thank you so much. I really appreciate you. I really
appreciate it very much. And so, uh, I'm going to say good
night, thank you so much. Yeah, thank you, God bless all
right. Okay, so next week we have Michael Fiori, uh, I'm
sorry Fiorito, and he will be on. He's written a book that's very
interesting and with his perspective, I think it's great. So thank you all
very much, and we'll be back next week. And look for the links
and for the show notes and get all that information, and remember to keep
your eyes to the sky.