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my paranormal Closet, where the stories in magic take place. Today's guest started
his paranormal group during the pandemic in October of twenty twenty. His curiosity and
interest in all things ghostly began in the nineties, when the broken doorbell of
his childhood home chimed the nighties Grandpa passed away. I've had the pleasure of
collaborating with him on several paranormal investigations. Join me in welcoming Scared Pat,
Paranormals, Ghost Cowboy, Sean Flynn. Hey morning, Eleanor. How are
you Hype Sunday? Yes, thank you for joining me today. Welcome.
So tell me about that night your grandpa died. Yeah, but my parents
have a I was back in ninety four living home. Uh, they had
a doorbell has been white a long time, so that that day after we
passed away, like eleven o'clock and night the doorbell range now like dad doorbells
raining by myself. I wasn't I wasn't going downstairs. You know. Also
he went upstairs, so yeah, it was It was really weird. It
was his way of letting us know that he was there and it's fine.
Did everybody feel that the same way that you did about it that it was
a sign? Yeah? Yeah, I mean my brothers or my other brothers
were younger, so yeah, I never thought it was a sign. Now,
I've always been intrigued about that year before that, you know, the
a library look at like bolks of like demonology was crawd was kind of you
know, kind of like it's interested. But it fueled more and my kid's
house reactivity there for like the longest time we come ago with something some younger
all of a sudden to was going on by itself. But as years went
on, uh for footsteps in the hallway, we had another team team come
in and what happened was we heard like a whistle downstairs, so someone was
trying to get attention and they said, because the way the house is on
the land, it was kind of like a highways of spisor activity. This
is where your son was living. This is why I was living in my
kid's house. Oh okay, And it was like probably like a portal of
some sort. Maybe. Yeah, we've heard. I've heard there's smells and
smell of some smooth uh x. And I smelled the smell of smoke,
smoking fire. I got scratched a couple of times because there's entity downstairs are
my name called. I was in house byself my name called. But yeah,
it fueled more when her and I was kind of like this remissed.
It was fueling more. By the wise, when I left, the house
goes quiet. So yeah, because the spirits in the house knew that you
could see it and sense it, and so that's why they tried to get
your attention. Uh yeah, I'm like, I knew, I'm like alone
the house, Like okay, I'm gonna wait, I'm just sitting in the
couch away or something to happen. I know, I knew they will watch
me. But uh my youngest son saw a woman a woman walking through the
hallway. They didn't really pay attention. One time. One time, I
was, you know, stopped by saying my son and her first steps.
My youngest son's room went outside above you know, in high ranch. We
here in the garage. I'm like, did you hear that? He's like,
yeah, they ignored it, but you know I heard him like,
oh, something's upstairs. But they found the team found e vps of people
speaking. Actually, one time I saw a shout figure of a little boy
outside of the bed, like like the four feet for tall fee for tall
I desk. It was quickly and uh yeah that that's kind of really got
it and just the whole lot I started that would be more like you know
cemeteries, you know, going left with a little bit, but it really
started fueling. I started with the bits of stuff. You know, it's
basic EMF meter. I haven't tried to cup apps on my phone. But
then working with you, I noticed you used a lot of special equipment.
Why don't you tell the listeners what the equipment is and what it actually does.
Isn't helping to communicate with spirit because you're just talking about how you use
some traditional methods when you first started out, and now you use a lot
of stuff. Yeah yeah, I mean I've a couple u E M F
reader alex and I field and what that does it? Uh the theory uh
spirits give offal uh oh the word energy left over the energy then, and
what the em F does that? It uh it emits a kind of like
a so uh so word. It's like uh fact furgnancy. It gets like
it fills out like a electical field. That if if the entity enters that
feel it breaks it and and it makes uh the vice light light up.
So uh that uh uh mempid the same thing to it miss uh electical field
and anything breaks it light. I'll actually activate the device. Let you know
that. It's Sarah I said, it's always it's always trying new things with
that. Some places which you actually can't unable too much background noise, you
can't really can't use EVPs. Let's go, let's let try to voice phenomenon,
so you rely on uh visual devices. I have have go ahead,
like what visual devices. I'll use my rampod, my mail meters. That's
a way if I'm so where I can see see you going on off,
well I could hear it going off no room like that. Have you ever
used an SLS camera at all? Yes? Yes, I actually know I
have not used LS. I'm still kind of on the edge of now one
mm hmmm. I mean say, if it worth somebody, I'm fine with
it. But with that kinnectic kinetic technology it started with you know, uh
xbox is that it might map you out, but then people have frequency they
may call a glitch maybe that it shows also not like like disembodied. It
maps somebody's there, somebody's not there, but it maps it. So I
don't think ghost ghost Venters had that. They had a TV show that kind
of ignited the whole s LS. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. One
of the guys made it in the kind of like Skyrocket everybody want to get
SLS camera. Yeah for for for me, I'm off sold in a technology,
but if it worth somebody else, I've seen it once. Somebody's vest
cut of us has used it. But with the whole thing is that is
that it will map out. If there's something in the room, it will
map it out like a like a chair or like a boom like that miss
interpret that as a person. So oh oh, so you think the chair
gets misinterpreted as a person. Yeah, we're at Peachfield and well we got
already had one and the fireplace had a hold. The hearth had a whole
bunch of like fireplace quin like you know, pokers and stuff like that.
Like no, so do I think it's I mean, it was got ruled
out right, So yeah, you know, I guess you guys don't use
one, do you. We have two team members that that have them,
and they have used them, and one, like one instance that I can
speak to is that when we did an investigation in this antique shop, they
had these three anti pieces hanging from the ceiling. There was an anti bird
cage, there was an antique prim and there was a more re dated probably
like sixty or seventy inflatable blimp. And these things kept on moving in different
not even in the same direction, not in the same way as if there
was a draft of some sort. They were moving like this, And so
we went to go and debunk them somehow and couldn't find any reason for them
moving. So Margaret whipped out her SLS camera because at this point now she's
a sensitive medium and there are other people on the team that are sensitive mediums,
and they all were getting spirit sensation of children. So she said,
well, I'm going to take out the SLS camera and see if I could
spot them. And she shined the camera on the moving pieces and I was
videoing this while she was doing it, and we saw children hanging from these
items on the ceiling and they were the ones that were moving it. So
when something like that happens, it's hard to say, I don't believe it.
Yeah, that's it now he got after what I like. Now I'm
the point that I want to know, Okay, what caused that? Like
a big thing is orbs or now? Now we were at the patch the
house and I got a photo. That's the two I always take too.
I always take two shots the same spot. Exc's to the camera and it
was like, guys, it was like a plasma ball. But then I
sent to my my one friend Joe for a party and I'm friend. I
sent to my friend James, who was last time with us. And that
theory is if you can't see the orb physically, then there's really nothing there.
What's a plasma ble? It's like a bowl energy. Oh and that's
different. That's different from an actual ORB. Yeah, it's more energy.
But I got a picture of it into I don't think I mean that's the
great debate or the great or debate out there. You know, it's a
huge division in the pormal is. So they said, I'm like they've been
James's been doing for forty years. So he taught Joe, so I'm learning
a little more from him. Yeah, you know, it's it looks like
a perfocse uh uh sphear. But again it was a flash. So possibly
the way the camera reflecs like that, it's absorbs whatever aswarves light like that
could cause that. I mean, like I say, you always want to
see what what caused that first before you make the first jump on it.
So I got to send you this video that a reader of mine sent me.
She had found out that I wrought wrote books and she had read them,
and then she got my email from my books and she sends me this
email and she says, listen, I bought this old historic church and I'm
transferring into the home with the hope of putting a business in the front church
end of it. And she says, I'm living here alone with my children.
And she said, I got cameras on the front part of the church
because it was abandoned for so many years. She says, now she's living
in the back end with her children. If somebody comes in, she doesn't
want them to come upon her and her children in the house part of it.
So she had cameras going just in case they broke into the church park
and she gets this ORB that she at the time, she didn't know anything
about it being paranormal. She thought, is it paranormal because she was sensing
stuff, our kids were seeing spirits and that sort of thing. So she
sends me this video and she goes, do you think it's paranormal? And
in my opinion, it is probably the best video I've ever seen of an
ORB. It just was crazy cool. I have to send it to you.
When I messaged her back, I'm like, oh my god, yeah,
I do believe that that's an ORB. So she had let us go
into her building at the time to do an investigation, and we actually did
three separate investigations there and had some crazy spirit activity. So I'll have to
send you that picture just so you could see that ORB and the difference in
others that you you see a lot. I was messing my, I was
messing my. I got a cancer stem. I really haven't really used it
all. Was I tempted, But I'm not really some issue with the camera.
Yeah, I just try to apartment like I have some big orb things
walking around with that. But it's kind of weird like that. But yeah,
it's always especially you know, some occasions like that. The church probably
probably most of it is penrol because the old church like that. But that's
pretty cool. That's definitely, that's the great as always do the great debate.
I see I see plenty on social media. It's obviously not but listen,
you know, uh, you know, if you think it is,
that's fine. You know, if you grasp my opinion, I'll kind of
like like, well, you know, yeah, it's iffy. There are
some that there you would like if I was something, if I saw something
that I was unsure about, I would say, I can't definitively stand behind
the fact that this is an orm. But there are other instances that I'm
just like I have in my personal opinion no doubt that it's something. And
I've you caught them on video and some of them in photographs where you even
zoom in on them and you actually see an apparition or a spirit inside the
ball of energy. So and there are others that you don't see nothing.
So the ones, but you really don't see nothing. I'm not really sure
about it unless I was actually able to see moving on video and then you
kind of get better clarifications. So there definitely is a big question mark,
and there was definitely a division in the paranormal or all about and it could
become a huge argument with people too. I mean, they'll argue to the
end, and it's like, you know, I have a little bit of
an open mind and try and really research it and debunk it before you immediately
say no. And with that quick storychock story, Uh, I called this
uh a new city, new city, Uh, New York. There's an
old Jacob uh bove the house. Yeah, and it's a stork home.
So I called up. I called up the head of the woman ahead of
it and like asked, you know, he was asking questions like do you
guys allow panelifications it's just stork holme. He's like, no, we don't.
I might. I'm I ask you why and she's like yeah, because
I don't believe the panel has to do with history. I'm like, well
that man, I don't mean assuming. I don't mean to. Uh.
Yeah, I dispect, but I disagree it does She's like, no,
doesn't he can't convince me like okay, no, brom thank you. So,
uh I definitely want to uh go there? Do one how they open
like a you know, the tour like that, just walk around, he
repeated me, kind of have some recording like that. It's just listen.
It's some people like I went down place in morphtown stork of Ford House and
I did No, I did a tour kids showing around like that. Then
uh I then I was I heard something upstairs and the kids like, oh
no, it's the ac like that and the woman woman, the woman,
the one of the girls working Actually, yeah, we don't believe that.
In here, I'm like, oh, this whole place is like this whole
place untapped territory. But you know, you know what it is because they
get funded by the state, so still own stay concerned about his historical they
don't. If it's in between. In between, it's like whoa, you
know, you guys have you know, make extra money. We know exactly
how to help out, but it happens. Hey, in your experience,
has there been a particular investigation that for you was actually frightening? Uh,
I would say, if I mean friendly wise i've uh uh actually it was
spooky when we were we were at uh the Berunton County. Everyone's upstairs right
and and I want my devices was downstairs basement right il soo, I was
I freaking freaking out going to base myself. I know my sonthing's down there
like that, you know, you just know, like I was upstairs and
like walking down Smith Based myself. Uh yeah, but I'll go back to
the scariest had lets Worth Let's Worth again because you know, boy myself in
dark hallway, something shuffling to the left and my device got off next to
me. Yeah, that'd be scary. That would be definitely, uh the
scariest. Oh tell your story about the basement. Oh yeah. So anyway,
Uh, I still actually a year ago today, I was yesterday,
but year ago a stay. I met my friend Joe uh and and uh
and Mike four point panel only came up. They were up air for the
wedding. So I met a left Worth. So we go in the basement
and I showed them a location where uh sawid that confinement room was. So
they're doing the videos the video and Mike has his thermal camera on, so
doing a thing. So later on actually got a lot of e vps with
Mike and them Mike Joe Bam because the new energy they compel e v P.
So later they Mike at his video he caught in the basement a tall,
multi arm entity that lives in the basement. And so I'm like,
well, every time I go there, there's things five in the basement is
watching me. It's just it's gone like I Am not going there again.
But besides that, he caught my caught a figure going across the hallway with
this THERMB camera. Mm hmm, Well I told you somebody from the paranormal
field that I knew got a figure at the end of one of those whole
ways too. Well, what do you think that that that thing with the
multi legs, tall thing is. I think it's it's an ants he made
up with old energy in there from the hurt anger, so it manifested into
wherever it is. And I do think that the doctor Charles, doctor Charles
Little, who's uh head of the place when when when mister lest passed away.
I think that he has a lot do with it being there because there
was a lot you know, very mistreated went from the twenties and to the
nineties, especially, like I say, you know, I'll say from the
late twenties to the eighties, lot, I'll say, yeah, there's a
lot of mistreated, a lot of crazy stuff went on there. A lot
like nobody knows about over crowded, So I think a lot of it was
a lot of a lot of it is uh, we're gonna produced put anything
in the bag and this way you get this creety whoever lives down there.
H So yeah, it's definitely uh actually actually another invescat Wile skill there soon,
So yeah, it's definitely. Uh, that's as crazy as I've I've
I've met, uh, I've dealt with like that. So do I wind
kind of experience crazier probably, you know, it's just an experience experience like
that, But yeah, that's that's for me. That's the most compelling.
Oh and as a little scary thing to the human name being called in my
kid's house, I'm alone, So yeah, I'm like, okay, I
I cro I could see that being scary. Yeah, nobody in the house
I call on your name. Well, that's the kind of beverage you want
to hear like that. You know, we have a device whever, but
as sudden you really want to hear this embodied voyage like that that or smell
sure like that. Yeah, but how do you compare yourself and your paranormal
team from the ones who pickted it on television? Like how do they differ?
Well, I tell usually tell people that way you've seen TV just through
out the window, because now what happens I h most most of the time.
Most times you just wait. I mean I could set base camp up
in a room for like two hours like nothing I've experienced happing like that,
you know, like you know, yeah, it's not I mean a lot
of TV is they mostly wants quiet. They make stuff up. It's kind
of you know, as entertainment. Jason Hawes from Ghost Hunters said last year,
I was a friend of mine went there. He said, most of
the time you got like twenty hours of fortage and maybe five minutes of activity
like that. We go find each other like that, that's what happened.
I might have a personal experience with a New York director who was trying to
recruit us for a show when I was just an old woman team and he
had said, if something doesn't happen, we're going to have to make it
happen. You said, it's entertainment. We're here to entertain the public,
and that's just the way it is. So it really shed some light to
me on the shows. And if he was telling me that it's entertainment and
we have to make something happen. If it doesn't happen, don't you think
you do as well? Right? Yeah, well, actually Kindred Spirits,
they don't. They prayed legit as you said with Adam and Adam and Amy.
Yeah, they're really they're really like, Yeah, of all the shows,
I like them the best, and I know a lot of people want
to be the next big thing. But like you say, when we do
it ef you guys, we hang out, have fun, and we got
if you can't have fun with it, why why you do it? We
got. Yes, there's times like we packed up. We had the place
last night from six to eleven, but we packed up out by ten thirty
because it got quiet just upstairs. Was like there is a there is a
presence. Uh, this is more like last night we got multiple e vps
and respond to my spirit spirit talker. That kind of coincides more. I
think, Uh, that place is more to it that that they know about.
They know like it speaking tavern. Uh the Patchets and uh uh Emma
Patchett things with daughters was reclused. Her presence was there to EVPs and it
was a funeral home. We think there's more to it, so you know
kind of like kind of like I have like kind of a foundation where it
could what could be happening some more sinister could happen to it. But yeah,
no, it was Uh, it's a good place. I recommend it.
I would. You know, it's like it was thirty dollars a person,
so I recognize every week once a month or something was that? What
do they do then every week or once a month? No, No,
they it's it's an art school, say a lot like art and like it
kind of like uh like music kind of like events there. But yeah,
they're they're very open about it. That was cool. I would definitely like
those. It's a nice place there is uh like like you said, like
last night, device didn't really interact with it. It happens, so you
go, you know, the next option e VPS or like that. It
got a couple EVPs. Uh. Emma's Emma patsive voice came up of whole
name came up, so yeah, it was it was. It was a
nice comma, nice complace. But like it's just like like like some places
they only know the baseline of history and they could like you know, I
figured from eighteen forty eight to until the funeral home closed like that. You
know, there's a lot of stuff in the area too. Yeah up there,
like seventeen was was like eighteen hundreds was was the main main place you
know, travelers going through like that, the tavern. So yeah, yeah,
of the investigations that we've done together up until this point, which one
was your favorite? And why? Actually actually the recent one we did at
the Kathy's house than Kathy Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that was fun.
That was actually private investigation. Yeah. I like the private investigations because
they're not the spirits are new to what we do, and they're curious,
and you tend to get them more receptive too, whether they're trying to tell
you to get out, or if they're trying to find out why are you
here, or when they do understand why you're there, being able to tell
you who they are and and that sort of thing. That's that's what I
like. Also when also to try and figure out what was originally there.
And yeah, land like that, you know, or something could be an
object could be causing it. And also and also with the fact tuesday,
you're in a home, so you've a lot of different factors going on,
electricity, heating, like that, anything. So yeah, that that was
cool. That was fun. Thing that was that was I mean, for
you, what's I guess most intriguing private investigations you've been? You guys do
oh gosh, I do so many, so many private investigations. Because of
me writing my books, the people that I write the books about end up
reaching out to me and saying, I got stuff going on, can you
come. I think the ones that stick out the most to me, though,
are when we are at an investigation and we get a deceased loved one
that comes through. Those those visits are not ghostly business. Those are spiritual
visits. But those loved ones use the opportunity to come when we're there because
they know that we can see and field right. So even though we're there
to catch the ghostly presence, which we usually do as well, they want
to be heard too, and to just be able to deliver those messages to
the family members, the homeowners. It's just so cool because most of the
time we end up it's a bunch of women with some men. The women
end up crying because it's emotional and you're doing this special thing by giving this
family this message that they love one is there. And it happens so many
times on those investigations, so many and I mean I can name one was
a grandpa, one was a brother, one was the family dog, another
one was a child, the woman's child. And when I'm able to give
those messages to those loved ones, they just they receive them and they accept
them and it just warms their heart because they have that faith that there is
life thereafter. Because when I do an investigation, I do try to help
the spirit understand that if they go into the light, they can come back
anytime they want to. But if they don't go into the light, they're
kind of like stuck wherever they are and it is what it is. So
I like to try and encourage them to go into the light, and sometimes
it works, but then sometimes it doesn't. Now with that, I mentioned
the show that people are saying, oh, sense of light, but I
might I'm not trained or you know, to do that. I'm not either.
I'm not either my some of my team members are. They they are
able to do that, but I do. I do the talking, Like
when they're trying to concentrate, I'll be standing there doing the talking and and
and say go and they are able to tell me whether they've moved on or
not. They'll be They'll be able to tell me they've gone, they're not
here anymore. So I wish I were that gifted. And I'm trying to
learn because everybody has the ability to do it. It's just a matter of
or taking the time to train and learn. But life gets in the way.
So I kind of take what I can get and I've learned a lot.
I've learned a lot about myself and what I can do and what I
have since I started this back in twenty fifteen. I mean, I've been
doing this my entire life, but I've not focused on learning about it.
I've had it, but I've been afraid of it and that sort of thing.
So it's really only since it's only been since the universe said here,
you got to do something with it. And that's when I was like,
okay, So I do know that being around people like you and my team
members who are gifted, it actually helps. And when you have that general
energy of you all together, everyone has a piece of the puzzles the way
I like to put it, and we all have our part that we play
in an investigation to getting to whatever it is we need to get to for
that spirit and that family who own that home. So like I do think,
like you know, we all have penial glance right here? Do I
think we all do? We do have to have you like like like to
U, I guess tap into it. Do I think we will have the
ability to do that? Yeah? Yes, I do. I do feel
like you do. Some people have more or more gifted than others. Like
a very dear friend of mine was born with the veil they call it over
her. She was covered with the sack when she was born, and she
came out already being able to see spirit, and she was nurtured from a
child on to be able to. In fact, her husband died two years
ago and she's been able to communicate with him since he passed away. So
something like that is something that someone's born with. But we all have a
sensitivity and then those people that are into it and receive it and want to
learn about It's one thing, but then there are other people that don't.
There are other people that cut it out and shut it down or they don't
believe, and then you know that makes for them not growing the gift if
they have one to do. So it's been like in tune, so it's
a frequency. It's got to tune into that certain frequency. Like sometimes I
go somewhere, I'm like, I feel absolutely nothing in the days it's like
oh wow, okay, don't you know it just it depends depends of my
MPa if it wants to wants to want to tune in and like nope,
my tuning like that. Like sometimes I go, look, I mean nothing
like this. Yeah, I know it's saying it's not if people sit in
the room like yeah, somebody's somebody's there, yeah, and it's like what
I mean, it was fine, It was it was cool, like especially
like you know with meetums. Yeah, I have to hear from that side.
I do too. I do too. And some of them you can
just see, some of them can hear, some of them can see in
here, and and some of them receive pictures. Some of them it's like
a movie real. Yeah, it's very different for a lot of people.
But I understand that because I think I mentioned it to you. When I
was a kid, I used to get premonitions, and the premonitions, like
I came to me in dreams when I was asleep. I would wake up
knowing something or seeing It's almost like a deja voo, but just like another
level of that that I actually saw something happen and then it would come true.
And that's when you almost say, oh dejah boo. But it wasn't
you know what I mean, You still still still get those dreams. Now.
I think I told you I had a very frightening experience. I was
about twelve years old when I had a premonition nightmare and it was about two
deaths in my family. And you know, my mom pooh poohed it and
she said, oh, it was just a nightmare, don't worry about it.
And then it came true. And when it came true, it just
took me for a while. I was like, oh my gosh, Oh
my gosh, it happened exactly like you dreamed it. And I was like,
oh my god, I knew it was going to happen. I could
have done something about it. I mean, now I know logically there would
have been nothing I could have done about it. Here I was a young
kid. I'm going to say, no, you got to stop this from
happening. Nobody would have believed me anyway. But because of that, I
shut down and really really didn't go anywhere with it until I was thirty,
when there was like this reawakening. And when I did reawaken, it was
just to learn about what it is that I could do when the premonition thing
never came back. So I may still be dormant. I don't know.
I get. I get some time I get like like for no reason,
like like some bad feeling for no reason. I'm like, something is bad,
but it's kind of like, you know, it's woke up. Like
then, like I feel kind of like like a a bad feeling come up,
gone pond. But I don't know, I don't know what it is.
It's like, you know, it's an instinct feeling, that kind of
thing I still have that I still haven't and I do have a sensitivity of
when I go into a building, I call it my foofye feeling. When
I can I can tell that there's a spirit there and I can tell if
it's good or if it's bad. So that much I have, but beyond
it, no, right, yeah, what is the most real proof you
you yourself have uncovered so far in your investigations, meaning I guess in definite
proof of ghosts, because first of all, what do you think is definite
proof ghosts are real? Like what do you accept as real proof? And
then have you say if you see, uh, apparition, smell, smells
the big thing, or voices like the one like the one I sell them.
I walked that room, oh and you know you kind of like you're
about to bump somebody, you try to move away, and I saw quickly
like an old woman with available face knows it once. The second things like
that, yes, uh, either smells yeah for for me like more for
physical like like seeing or or smelling, or it doesn't buy voices. I'll
trust that more. I asked more than the device is going off? You
know, anything could be causing device go off, but you know scenes and
personally yeah, definitely definitely for maybe uh actually actually last night last night,
leave it, I got like my my finger mo damn, like I feel
like someone touched my hands, like succept stychlectricity m hm, and James like,
oh yeah, the same, it's the same by you. It was.
It was weird like somebody was. It was. It was cool when
I get, you know, I get all the time. Once once in
a while you might get that that big almighty almighty like you know that experience
like that cool like I don't know if you heard that. I put that
posted video of the record, uh disivite voice over at the cemetery. Yeah,
it's my analog and just it just said the guy's vote, guy's name.
When that happens, it's great, especially if you can tie the name
back to the actual person, when you actually go back in history and say,
oh my goodness, this person did actually well, I get his name.
But what I did was and so I bought. I had my spirit
app going spirit talk app doing the same time. So I watched the video
and I heard him. I ask myself ten question I didn't hear in the
video, But eight seconds later I got another word, uh night whisper eight
seconds later, So I knew right away I was the answer. That was
not from my spirit. It was not from the spirit app. It was
not from It was straight from so much spoken to the microphone, right,
Dad, perfectly, Yeah, I does catches. Oh my goodness, it's
board off. So I decided to double check in case it was say,
okay, it wasn't. It wasn't a voice, it was yeah, I
mean, will happen again? I don't know he has it at one moment,
so yeah, yeah, Well like the Rockport train wreck. I told
you that one time we were there and the bells and the lights went ding
ding ding, and we were interacting with it all night, and then we
went back there twice after that to try and get it to happen again,
and it never did. Although I have spoken to like a former member of
my team, John Matthews. He has gone there many times before and he
has said that the lights have done that to him. Yeah, okay,
yeah, so it does happen, because I spoke to him about that after
and they're like, oh, yeah, that that happened to me. So
it does happen, and it can happen. It's just a matter of and
I and as I believe, it was one of the trained engineers who was
causing that to happen. He was the one that was communicating with us.
Was when I think I told you likes to guard the train, even though
it's not a passenger rail anymore. He doesn't know that he likes to keep
the train safe so nobody else will get hurt. That's what I said.
I heard because the one first time I went there, I heard the distance
a train. Yeah, so I heard this, and I'm okay, I'm
gonna I'm waiting, wait, I'm waiting. I went, okay, I
heard herd once like could train usually could soundly travel all time, so maybe
a couple of miles down and I'm waiting and no train came. Well,
that was what happened to us too. The bells and the whistles went off.
We were all walking on the tracks and all of a sudden, the
bells and whistles go home. I'm like, oh my gosh, there's a
train coming. Everybody get off the tracks. And we all get off the
tracks and we're waiting and we're waiting and no train comes. And then then
all of a sudden like ding ding ding ding. Oh my gosh, I
think they're trying to get our attention. And that was that, like that
is that that track, while at the track was just not it's a freight.
It's a freight track. Yeah, so a freight train does come through.
I don't know how once a blue moon, yeah, because marketing.
The last time before this two and a half hours however, it was nothing
nothing. I don't know how often is. But the people who live in
that house right there confirmed that the train does. It does. It's a
functioning track, it just is not a passenger track, and they do use
it for free. Okay, I re ready to argle, and it says
active is an active line. I'm like, all right, so I gotta
be careful and I'm like, oh, this is no yeah yeah yeah.
So what do you think is the hardest part for you about being a paranormal
investigator. What do you find to be the most difficult thing. Well,
I would say explaining people, trying and explain to people why you do why
you do it? You know too well, you're your your I mean when
people say you're a ghost hunter, which I for me that was a little
cliche. Everybody used panormal vestigator or panormal researcher said why do you do it?
They look at the fire heads like or even explained explaining like a location,
what you do and why it's like no, kind of explain to people
why what do yeah, yeah, so like what y know what, like
why do you do it? Because I'm passionate about it. I want to
know. I want to know what causes it. I want to know there's
more to it. With kind of theory I co work about it is that
when we go to places like Burlington, what they're doing things, but at
the same time another plane that that that the president is active and it's going
out normal doing the normal thing every day. So I've kind of said on
my thing, like guys, it kind of normalst hire some more like time
traveling because we see the old buildings is depleted, but right behind us,
above or blow us is full functioning. Uh location. It's a little a
little for you know, way out. I'm always thinking about the out of
box like that. Yeah, and the Coke and I talk about all the
time about you know about uh in dimensional traveling all that stuff. So there's
so many things that I wasn't even aware of when I first started learning about
this stuff. I mean I kind of had this one track vision yea go
ufo. Then when you get to talking to people in the field, it
gets like this and then it's like you don't even think about elementals and gnomes
and ferries. And when you talk to people in the field who are professors
in these major colleges and telling you, oh, yeah, we're we're researching
that stuff, and it's like, oh my god, it's crazy. I
think. I think we just kind of started scratching, scratching the top of
this whole whole lot, the whole thing. Paranormal has progressed so much over
the last ten years. It's not that it's going somewhere all right, pointing
AB's device hours, I said that, come on, ghost, it's not
it's more like I said, I want to know what caused that? Uh
cause it there's more. There is more out that we know about, and
you know how much more? Like I mean, I do think that they
learned with the people coming, we've learned how to multiple manipulate devices. But
yeah, it's so much, so much more. I mean, I got
I got to this thing late. Which younger do it next life? Maybe
it's all younger, but yeah, there's there's a lot more late. You
think you're you've come into it late. I started at fifty really, so
I do. I actually added to uh yeah, uh two thousand and twenty.
Yeah, I say fifty right, same me. Okay, a little
bit it, but it's fun. I met a lot of people, Uh,
we work with you guys, and a couple of bunds of people we
worked with two day time. Yeah, it's fun. Everybody you know we
met at We met at the para con, didn't we? You and I
you yeah you would you would support Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, sleepy hollow
and handing out each other's business pass And that's how we met, right right?
Uh? I think, uh next you have you gotten it back there?
No? I just went that one time with Bobby J. Gallo.
I was supposed to do it with a team member who backed out and then
he ended up coming in with me and and it was a great way to
make connections. But as far as traffic was concerned, it was pretty dumb.
I think I don't have the thing it was, uh yeah, things
like traffic. But yeah, yeah, there's a go this year next year.
I mean I didn't go with the one in Jersey. No on that
one gets really crazy, that's crazy. Yeah, it's it's fun. You
know, men people like that, I know some some of some are receptive,
some honor receptive. No, it's it's it's it's fun, it's got
you gotta phont it, and you know it's time to sit down. I
dream about I read the skeptic side of things about that. I'm trying to
read more about it, being about like how like you no how much and
we have like I've readen we have like twenty twenty. Uh. Watch the
power in our bodies, going through it every day, and I try I
figure out what happens when we when we pass away. Some people say about
our energy dissipates or it gets regenerated, or it goes nowhere. You know
you can get both sides A and B. Yeah, they do, they
don't the real religious side part of it. You know, when we die,
you go straight up there or down there, so there's no in between.
So I'm always open to what it's still open to learning. Yeah,
I want. I want to hear from A. I want to hear from
option A, option B. I want we thought about it. Yeah,
you know, I'm you know, open to it, open to it.
I say, learned, What do you plan on doing in the next couple
of months we have? The next event is you know, guys, you
know come to the West hill manor investigations. I said, maybe it's kind
of slow down time, so, uh, you know, any places to
go check out. I might just place in a in a Fairfield County hospital,
may meet punts. People go up there too. It's kind of slow
down, like I take I took a month off, kind of like we
group. Sometimes you feel like, you know, hit the wall, like
we group a little bit like that, and then and the winter time will
be really it'll be really quiet. So I'll do more like working up things
like researching. I want to be more. My uncle married from China,
so I want to be more. It's kind of like no now, so
I'll be more into more about like the different cultures like that with words,
the Chinese uh culture about like you know, folklore like that, you know,
in between like between stuff like that. But yeah, sometimes something you
break kind of like come you know, like like like Sunday Sunday, Yes,
Sundays. Yeah, yeah, Sunday is not my social media. Every
Sundays I'll post only quickly, but otherwise it's my social media the social media
free day. Sundays. You need that you have feel like that, I
mean, I I mean with me I've definitely, like you know, like
a phone wise, I cut my phone time at after a while. I'd
rather, you know, won't do whever I read about what causes everything like
that also too, like more too the prior investigations. But you've been very
very uh gracious inviting me to inviting me to you. I appreciate that.
So I get inside of your black people, wack people. Black people want
to go to the big places, big you know, cress and places.
Yeah, yeah, I want to go to like the board house, Conjure
in his steal house. But this in between places, and I use those
as like electra as training to learn, try different things like that. That's
where you take that with you, you know. So yeah, I agree.
Well, why don't you tell my listeners how they can follow you and
your adventures? All right, you guys guys can follow me on Facebook as
Scary Cat Paranormal, following my Instagram I Ghost Ghost Cowboy two four eight,
and on YouTube Scary Cat Paranormal. I'm doing. I'm signing to TikTok.
I'm about that. Yeah, my gosh, I did. And so now
I just automatically when I do my posts every every Monday, Wednesday party Monday
was I just go right to the TikTok and do it there too, So
it's it's actually it's can be grading after a while, but it is fun.
You do see a lot of cool stuff on there, and so people
do follow me, so I make sure that I post there. You should
check it out. And it's not Twitter. What was cool X? Now,
Yeah, I've tried. I tried Twitter one time, just like one
week you get didn't follow a second when you get ahold different followers and like
that. Uh it's very it's pretty much for me, but uh, it's
funny a lot to use Facebook. I'm like, like really, I mean
I use my main count as Instagram, so it goes on the Facebook.
You know, I meet people like on my Instagram and be like what like
for me, Instagram is the way to get out there more like that,
you know, even though it is linked to my Facebook account. Mm hmm.
There's those people that are into the Instagram. Then there's a group that's
into the Facebook, and then there's a group that's into the TikTok. I
mean you have a mixed, a happy mix of it all. So yeah,
I might, I might, I might eventually do to TikTok, try
it out, give it so what happens like that? But yeah, well
yeah, I say find me Facebook, Scarecat Paranormal, Instagram, Ghost Cowboy
two four it and YouTube as Scarycat Paranormal. All right, sounds good.
Well, once again, thank you so much for joining me today. I
really appreciate it. Thank you Eleanor. Always a pleasure, and we will
be in touch. Yes, ma'am, I have a great Sunday, right,
Thank you you too. Okay, bye, thank you, Elma Bye.
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