1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,359 in the UK and around the world. Hello world, You're listening to Eleanor 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:20,320 Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we'll 4 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:26,879 always creeping it real. I'm your host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to 5 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:33,119 my paranormal Closet, where the stories in magic take place. Today's guest started 6 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:38,640 his paranormal group during the pandemic in October of twenty twenty. His curiosity and 7 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:44,479 interest in all things ghostly began in the nineties, when the broken doorbell of 8 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:50,240 his childhood home chimed the nighties Grandpa passed away. I've had the pleasure of 9 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,560 collaborating with him on several paranormal investigations. Join me in welcoming Scared Pat, 10 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,600 Paranormals, Ghost Cowboy, Sean Flynn. Hey morning, Eleanor. How are 11 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,239 you Hype Sunday? Yes, thank you for joining me today. Welcome. 12 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,400 So tell me about that night your grandpa died. Yeah, but my parents 13 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,239 have a I was back in ninety four living home. Uh, they had 14 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:22,120 a doorbell has been white a long time, so that that day after we 15 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:26,959 passed away, like eleven o'clock and night the doorbell range now like dad doorbells 16 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,719 raining by myself. I wasn't I wasn't going downstairs. You know. Also 17 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,000 he went upstairs, so yeah, it was It was really weird. It 18 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,519 was his way of letting us know that he was there and it's fine. 19 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:41,760 Did everybody feel that the same way that you did about it that it was 20 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:46,200 a sign? Yeah? Yeah, I mean my brothers or my other brothers 21 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:49,920 were younger, so yeah, I never thought it was a sign. Now, 22 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,719 I've always been intrigued about that year before that, you know, the 23 00:01:53,719 --> 00:02:00,519 a library look at like bolks of like demonology was crawd was kind of you 24 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:05,879 know, kind of like it's interested. But it fueled more and my kid's 25 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:12,879 house reactivity there for like the longest time we come ago with something some younger 26 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,000 all of a sudden to was going on by itself. But as years went 27 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:24,120 on, uh for footsteps in the hallway, we had another team team come 28 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:32,879 in and what happened was we heard like a whistle downstairs, so someone was 29 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:38,680 trying to get attention and they said, because the way the house is on 30 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,960 the land, it was kind of like a highways of spisor activity. This 31 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,159 is where your son was living. This is why I was living in my 32 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,680 kid's house. Oh okay, And it was like probably like a portal of 33 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:57,199 some sort. Maybe. Yeah, we've heard. I've heard there's smells and 34 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,199 smell of some smooth uh x. And I smelled the smell of smoke, 35 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:13,439 smoking fire. I got scratched a couple of times because there's entity downstairs are 36 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,319 my name called. I was in house byself my name called. But yeah, 37 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,280 it fueled more when her and I was kind of like this remissed. 38 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:30,560 It was fueling more. By the wise, when I left, the house 39 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,639 goes quiet. So yeah, because the spirits in the house knew that you 40 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,120 could see it and sense it, and so that's why they tried to get 41 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:45,039 your attention. Uh yeah, I'm like, I knew, I'm like alone 42 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,000 the house, Like okay, I'm gonna wait, I'm just sitting in the 43 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,319 couch away or something to happen. I know, I knew they will watch 44 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,599 me. But uh my youngest son saw a woman a woman walking through the 45 00:03:55,199 --> 00:04:00,800 hallway. They didn't really pay attention. One time. One time, I 46 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:03,319 was, you know, stopped by saying my son and her first steps. 47 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:06,960 My youngest son's room went outside above you know, in high ranch. We 48 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,120 here in the garage. I'm like, did you hear that? He's like, 49 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:15,199 yeah, they ignored it, but you know I heard him like, 50 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,079 oh, something's upstairs. But they found the team found e vps of people 51 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:25,160 speaking. Actually, one time I saw a shout figure of a little boy 52 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,759 outside of the bed, like like the four feet for tall fee for tall 53 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,079 I desk. It was quickly and uh yeah that that's kind of really got 54 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,959 it and just the whole lot I started that would be more like you know 55 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:44,319 cemeteries, you know, going left with a little bit, but it really 56 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:46,120 started fueling. I started with the bits of stuff. You know, it's 57 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:53,120 basic EMF meter. I haven't tried to cup apps on my phone. But 58 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:56,759 then working with you, I noticed you used a lot of special equipment. 59 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,000 Why don't you tell the listeners what the equipment is and what it actually does. 60 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:02,000 Isn't helping to communicate with spirit because you're just talking about how you use 61 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:05,920 some traditional methods when you first started out, and now you use a lot 62 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:10,759 of stuff. Yeah yeah, I mean I've a couple u E M F 63 00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:15,879 reader alex and I field and what that does it? Uh the theory uh 64 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:24,759 spirits give offal uh oh the word energy left over the energy then, and 65 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,319 what the em F does that? It uh it emits a kind of like 66 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:35,439 a so uh so word. It's like uh fact furgnancy. It gets like 67 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,920 it fills out like a electical field. That if if the entity enters that 68 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,600 feel it breaks it and and it makes uh the vice light light up. 69 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:57,519 So uh that uh uh mempid the same thing to it miss uh electical field 70 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,439 and anything breaks it light. I'll actually activate the device. Let you know 71 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:08,279 that. It's Sarah I said, it's always it's always trying new things with 72 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:15,399 that. Some places which you actually can't unable too much background noise, you 73 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:19,120 can't really can't use EVPs. Let's go, let's let try to voice phenomenon, 74 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:30,800 so you rely on uh visual devices. I have have go ahead, 75 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:38,959 like what visual devices. I'll use my rampod, my mail meters. That's 76 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:42,279 a way if I'm so where I can see see you going on off, 77 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,199 well I could hear it going off no room like that. Have you ever 78 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,920 used an SLS camera at all? Yes? Yes, I actually know I 79 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,759 have not used LS. I'm still kind of on the edge of now one 80 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,839 mm hmmm. I mean say, if it worth somebody, I'm fine with 81 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:09,240 it. But with that kinnectic kinetic technology it started with you know, uh 82 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:15,279 xbox is that it might map you out, but then people have frequency they 83 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:19,480 may call a glitch maybe that it shows also not like like disembodied. It 84 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,959 maps somebody's there, somebody's not there, but it maps it. So I 85 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:29,600 don't think ghost ghost Venters had that. They had a TV show that kind 86 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,079 of ignited the whole s LS. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. One 87 00:07:33,079 --> 00:07:36,759 of the guys made it in the kind of like Skyrocket everybody want to get 88 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:44,319 SLS camera. Yeah for for for me, I'm off sold in a technology, 89 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:46,319 but if it worth somebody else, I've seen it once. Somebody's vest 90 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:50,079 cut of us has used it. But with the whole thing is that is 91 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,319 that it will map out. If there's something in the room, it will 92 00:07:54,319 --> 00:08:01,000 map it out like a like a chair or like a boom like that miss 93 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:05,600 interpret that as a person. So oh oh, so you think the chair 94 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:13,000 gets misinterpreted as a person. Yeah, we're at Peachfield and well we got 95 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,720 already had one and the fireplace had a hold. The hearth had a whole 96 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:22,079 bunch of like fireplace quin like you know, pokers and stuff like that. 97 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:30,879 Like no, so do I think it's I mean, it was got ruled 98 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:35,240 out right, So yeah, you know, I guess you guys don't use 99 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:39,000 one, do you. We have two team members that that have them, 100 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,960 and they have used them, and one, like one instance that I can 101 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,440 speak to is that when we did an investigation in this antique shop, they 102 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:54,960 had these three anti pieces hanging from the ceiling. There was an anti bird 103 00:08:56,039 --> 00:09:01,080 cage, there was an antique prim and there was a more re dated probably 104 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:07,080 like sixty or seventy inflatable blimp. And these things kept on moving in different 105 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,559 not even in the same direction, not in the same way as if there 106 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,039 was a draft of some sort. They were moving like this, And so 107 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:20,799 we went to go and debunk them somehow and couldn't find any reason for them 108 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:28,320 moving. So Margaret whipped out her SLS camera because at this point now she's 109 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,840 a sensitive medium and there are other people on the team that are sensitive mediums, 110 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:37,679 and they all were getting spirit sensation of children. So she said, 111 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,799 well, I'm going to take out the SLS camera and see if I could 112 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:48,080 spot them. And she shined the camera on the moving pieces and I was 113 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:52,759 videoing this while she was doing it, and we saw children hanging from these 114 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,039 items on the ceiling and they were the ones that were moving it. So 115 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:01,320 when something like that happens, it's hard to say, I don't believe it. 116 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:09,159 Yeah, that's it now he got after what I like. Now I'm 117 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,679 the point that I want to know, Okay, what caused that? Like 118 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,720 a big thing is orbs or now? Now we were at the patch the 119 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:24,440 house and I got a photo. That's the two I always take too. 120 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,039 I always take two shots the same spot. Exc's to the camera and it 121 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,320 was like, guys, it was like a plasma ball. But then I 122 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:33,759 sent to my my one friend Joe for a party and I'm friend. I 123 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:39,600 sent to my friend James, who was last time with us. And that 124 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:45,879 theory is if you can't see the orb physically, then there's really nothing there. 125 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,440 What's a plasma ble? It's like a bowl energy. Oh and that's 126 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:56,919 different. That's different from an actual ORB. Yeah, it's more energy. 127 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:05,600 But I got a picture of it into I don't think I mean that's the 128 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,519 great debate or the great or debate out there. You know, it's a 129 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:15,679 huge division in the pormal is. So they said, I'm like they've been 130 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,679 James's been doing for forty years. So he taught Joe, so I'm learning 131 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:28,039 a little more from him. Yeah, you know, it's it looks like 132 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:35,559 a perfocse uh uh sphear. But again it was a flash. So possibly 133 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:43,279 the way the camera reflecs like that, it's absorbs whatever aswarves light like that 134 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,399 could cause that. I mean, like I say, you always want to 135 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:50,159 see what what caused that first before you make the first jump on it. 136 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:54,000 So I got to send you this video that a reader of mine sent me. 137 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,039 She had found out that I wrought wrote books and she had read them, 138 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:01,559 and then she got my email from my books and she sends me this 139 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,480 email and she says, listen, I bought this old historic church and I'm 140 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,000 transferring into the home with the hope of putting a business in the front church 141 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,200 end of it. And she says, I'm living here alone with my children. 142 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,639 And she said, I got cameras on the front part of the church 143 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,600 because it was abandoned for so many years. She says, now she's living 144 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,679 in the back end with her children. If somebody comes in, she doesn't 145 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,559 want them to come upon her and her children in the house part of it. 146 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,440 So she had cameras going just in case they broke into the church park 147 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,679 and she gets this ORB that she at the time, she didn't know anything 148 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,559 about it being paranormal. She thought, is it paranormal because she was sensing 149 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:41,159 stuff, our kids were seeing spirits and that sort of thing. So she 150 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,879 sends me this video and she goes, do you think it's paranormal? And 151 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:50,519 in my opinion, it is probably the best video I've ever seen of an 152 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:52,519 ORB. It just was crazy cool. I have to send it to you. 153 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:56,039 When I messaged her back, I'm like, oh my god, yeah, 154 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,159 I do believe that that's an ORB. So she had let us go 155 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,360 into her building at the time to do an investigation, and we actually did 156 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:09,200 three separate investigations there and had some crazy spirit activity. So I'll have to 157 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,080 send you that picture just so you could see that ORB and the difference in 158 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,960 others that you you see a lot. I was messing my, I was 159 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,960 messing my. I got a cancer stem. I really haven't really used it 160 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,279 all. Was I tempted, But I'm not really some issue with the camera. 161 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,080 Yeah, I just try to apartment like I have some big orb things 162 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,120 walking around with that. But it's kind of weird like that. But yeah, 163 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:37,960 it's always especially you know, some occasions like that. The church probably 164 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,200 probably most of it is penrol because the old church like that. But that's 165 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,919 pretty cool. That's definitely, that's the great as always do the great debate. 166 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,840 I see I see plenty on social media. It's obviously not but listen, 167 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,559 you know, uh, you know, if you think it is, 168 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:01,480 that's fine. You know, if you grasp my opinion, I'll kind of 169 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,679 like like, well, you know, yeah, it's iffy. There are 170 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,320 some that there you would like if I was something, if I saw something 171 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:13,879 that I was unsure about, I would say, I can't definitively stand behind 172 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:18,480 the fact that this is an orm. But there are other instances that I'm 173 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,480 just like I have in my personal opinion no doubt that it's something. And 174 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:28,200 I've you caught them on video and some of them in photographs where you even 175 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:33,879 zoom in on them and you actually see an apparition or a spirit inside the 176 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,320 ball of energy. So and there are others that you don't see nothing. 177 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,879 So the ones, but you really don't see nothing. I'm not really sure 178 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,039 about it unless I was actually able to see moving on video and then you 179 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,200 kind of get better clarifications. So there definitely is a big question mark, 180 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,720 and there was definitely a division in the paranormal or all about and it could 181 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,039 become a huge argument with people too. I mean, they'll argue to the 182 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,480 end, and it's like, you know, I have a little bit of 183 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:07,200 an open mind and try and really research it and debunk it before you immediately 184 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,480 say no. And with that quick storychock story, Uh, I called this 185 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,279 uh a new city, new city, Uh, New York. There's an 186 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:22,000 old Jacob uh bove the house. Yeah, and it's a stork home. 187 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,000 So I called up. I called up the head of the woman ahead of 188 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:31,200 it and like asked, you know, he was asking questions like do you 189 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,879 guys allow panelifications it's just stork holme. He's like, no, we don't. 190 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,360 I might. I'm I ask you why and she's like yeah, because 191 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,840 I don't believe the panel has to do with history. I'm like, well 192 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:46,519 that man, I don't mean assuming. I don't mean to. Uh. 193 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Yeah, I dispect, but I disagree it does She's like, no, 194 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,000 doesn't he can't convince me like okay, no, brom thank you. So, 195 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:02,080 uh I definitely want to uh go there? Do one how they open 196 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:06,960 like a you know, the tour like that, just walk around, he 197 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,960 repeated me, kind of have some recording like that. It's just listen. 198 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:19,480 It's some people like I went down place in morphtown stork of Ford House and 199 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:23,679 I did No, I did a tour kids showing around like that. Then 200 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:29,440 uh I then I was I heard something upstairs and the kids like, oh 201 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:32,159 no, it's the ac like that and the woman woman, the woman, 202 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,039 the one of the girls working Actually, yeah, we don't believe that. 203 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:40,480 In here, I'm like, oh, this whole place is like this whole 204 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:44,879 place untapped territory. But you know, you know what it is because they 205 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:49,559 get funded by the state, so still own stay concerned about his historical they 206 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:53,960 don't. If it's in between. In between, it's like whoa, you 207 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,320 know, you guys have you know, make extra money. We know exactly 208 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,640 how to help out, but it happens. Hey, in your experience, 209 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:11,279 has there been a particular investigation that for you was actually frightening? Uh, 210 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:23,920 I would say, if I mean friendly wise i've uh uh actually it was 211 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:30,839 spooky when we were we were at uh the Berunton County. Everyone's upstairs right 212 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:36,759 and and I want my devices was downstairs basement right il soo, I was 213 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:40,559 I freaking freaking out going to base myself. I know my sonthing's down there 214 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,559 like that, you know, you just know, like I was upstairs and 215 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,400 like walking down Smith Based myself. Uh yeah, but I'll go back to 216 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:52,319 the scariest had lets Worth Let's Worth again because you know, boy myself in 217 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,680 dark hallway, something shuffling to the left and my device got off next to 218 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,440 me. Yeah, that'd be scary. That would be definitely, uh the 219 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:11,519 scariest. Oh tell your story about the basement. Oh yeah. So anyway, 220 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,640 Uh, I still actually a year ago today, I was yesterday, 221 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:22,079 but year ago a stay. I met my friend Joe uh and and uh 222 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,680 and Mike four point panel only came up. They were up air for the 223 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,920 wedding. So I met a left Worth. So we go in the basement 224 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:36,079 and I showed them a location where uh sawid that confinement room was. So 225 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,279 they're doing the videos the video and Mike has his thermal camera on, so 226 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,000 doing a thing. So later on actually got a lot of e vps with 227 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:51,200 Mike and them Mike Joe Bam because the new energy they compel e v P. 228 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,279 So later they Mike at his video he caught in the basement a tall, 229 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:03,720 multi arm entity that lives in the basement. And so I'm like, 230 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:07,960 well, every time I go there, there's things five in the basement is 231 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,640 watching me. It's just it's gone like I Am not going there again. 232 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,480 But besides that, he caught my caught a figure going across the hallway with 233 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:21,000 this THERMB camera. Mm hmm, Well I told you somebody from the paranormal 234 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:22,880 field that I knew got a figure at the end of one of those whole 235 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,079 ways too. Well, what do you think that that that thing with the 236 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:32,039 multi legs, tall thing is. I think it's it's an ants he made 237 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:37,759 up with old energy in there from the hurt anger, so it manifested into 238 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:44,480 wherever it is. And I do think that the doctor Charles, doctor Charles 239 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:49,519 Little, who's uh head of the place when when when mister lest passed away. 240 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:55,640 I think that he has a lot do with it being there because there 241 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:03,640 was a lot you know, very mistreated went from the twenties and to the 242 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:07,720 nineties, especially, like I say, you know, I'll say from the 243 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:12,279 late twenties to the eighties, lot, I'll say, yeah, there's a 244 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:15,319 lot of mistreated, a lot of crazy stuff went on there. A lot 245 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:21,079 like nobody knows about over crowded, So I think a lot of it was 246 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:29,480 a lot of a lot of it is uh, we're gonna produced put anything 247 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,480 in the bag and this way you get this creety whoever lives down there. 248 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:40,200 H So yeah, it's definitely uh actually actually another invescat Wile skill there soon, 249 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:45,519 So yeah, it's definitely. Uh, that's as crazy as I've I've 250 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:51,240 I've met, uh, I've dealt with like that. So do I wind 251 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,839 kind of experience crazier probably, you know, it's just an experience experience like 252 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,200 that, But yeah, that's that's for me. That's the most compelling. 253 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,160 Oh and as a little scary thing to the human name being called in my 254 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:14,920 kid's house, I'm alone, So yeah, I'm like, okay, I 255 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,119 I cro I could see that being scary. Yeah, nobody in the house 256 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,160 I call on your name. Well, that's the kind of beverage you want 257 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,759 to hear like that. You know, we have a device whever, but 258 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:30,319 as sudden you really want to hear this embodied voyage like that that or smell 259 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,160 sure like that. Yeah, but how do you compare yourself and your paranormal 260 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,839 team from the ones who pickted it on television? Like how do they differ? 261 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,480 Well, I tell usually tell people that way you've seen TV just through 262 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:53,680 out the window, because now what happens I h most most of the time. 263 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,559 Most times you just wait. I mean I could set base camp up 264 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:03,799 in a room for like two hours like nothing I've experienced happing like that, 265 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,160 you know, like you know, yeah, it's not I mean a lot 266 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,599 of TV is they mostly wants quiet. They make stuff up. It's kind 267 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:21,160 of you know, as entertainment. Jason Hawes from Ghost Hunters said last year, 268 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,920 I was a friend of mine went there. He said, most of 269 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,400 the time you got like twenty hours of fortage and maybe five minutes of activity 270 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,359 like that. We go find each other like that, that's what happened. 271 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,519 I might have a personal experience with a New York director who was trying to 272 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:42,559 recruit us for a show when I was just an old woman team and he 273 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,680 had said, if something doesn't happen, we're going to have to make it 274 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,079 happen. You said, it's entertainment. We're here to entertain the public, 275 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,680 and that's just the way it is. So it really shed some light to 276 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:59,720 me on the shows. And if he was telling me that it's entertainment and 277 00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:03,119 we have to make something happen. If it doesn't happen, don't you think 278 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,839 you do as well? Right? Yeah, well, actually Kindred Spirits, 279 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:12,160 they don't. They prayed legit as you said with Adam and Adam and Amy. 280 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:17,319 Yeah, they're really they're really like, Yeah, of all the shows, 281 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,279 I like them the best, and I know a lot of people want 282 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:25,720 to be the next big thing. But like you say, when we do 283 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:30,119 it ef you guys, we hang out, have fun, and we got 284 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,279 if you can't have fun with it, why why you do it? We 285 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,000 got. Yes, there's times like we packed up. We had the place 286 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:42,759 last night from six to eleven, but we packed up out by ten thirty 287 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:48,200 because it got quiet just upstairs. Was like there is a there is a 288 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:55,480 presence. Uh, this is more like last night we got multiple e vps 289 00:23:55,599 --> 00:24:00,359 and respond to my spirit spirit talker. That kind of coincides more. I 290 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,440 think, Uh, that place is more to it that that they know about. 291 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:12,240 They know like it speaking tavern. Uh the Patchets and uh uh Emma 292 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:19,039 Patchett things with daughters was reclused. Her presence was there to EVPs and it 293 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,839 was a funeral home. We think there's more to it, so you know 294 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:27,480 kind of like kind of like I have like kind of a foundation where it 295 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,480 could what could be happening some more sinister could happen to it. But yeah, 296 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:34,480 no, it was Uh, it's a good place. I recommend it. 297 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:38,160 I would. You know, it's like it was thirty dollars a person, 298 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,119 so I recognize every week once a month or something was that? What 299 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,680 do they do then every week or once a month? No, No, 300 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,279 they it's it's an art school, say a lot like art and like it 301 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,319 kind of like uh like music kind of like events there. But yeah, 302 00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:02,480 they're they're very open about it. That was cool. I would definitely like 303 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:10,559 those. It's a nice place there is uh like like you said, like 304 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,279 last night, device didn't really interact with it. It happens, so you 305 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,559 go, you know, the next option e VPS or like that. It 306 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,960 got a couple EVPs. Uh. Emma's Emma patsive voice came up of whole 307 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,599 name came up, so yeah, it was it was. It was a 308 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:33,400 nice comma, nice complace. But like it's just like like like some places 309 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,240 they only know the baseline of history and they could like you know, I 310 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:44,119 figured from eighteen forty eight to until the funeral home closed like that. You 311 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,039 know, there's a lot of stuff in the area too. Yeah up there, 312 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:52,519 like seventeen was was like eighteen hundreds was was the main main place you 313 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:57,880 know, travelers going through like that, the tavern. So yeah, yeah, 314 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,839 of the investigations that we've done together up until this point, which one 315 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:11,359 was your favorite? And why? Actually actually the recent one we did at 316 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:17,720 the Kathy's house than Kathy Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that was fun. 317 00:26:17,759 --> 00:26:22,880 That was actually private investigation. Yeah. I like the private investigations because 318 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:29,079 they're not the spirits are new to what we do, and they're curious, 319 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,160 and you tend to get them more receptive too, whether they're trying to tell 320 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,519 you to get out, or if they're trying to find out why are you 321 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,039 here, or when they do understand why you're there, being able to tell 322 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,720 you who they are and and that sort of thing. That's that's what I 323 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:51,680 like. Also when also to try and figure out what was originally there. 324 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,759 And yeah, land like that, you know, or something could be an 325 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,400 object could be causing it. And also and also with the fact tuesday, 326 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,680 you're in a home, so you've a lot of different factors going on, 327 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:10,160 electricity, heating, like that, anything. So yeah, that that was 328 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,440 cool. That was fun. Thing that was that was I mean, for 329 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:22,880 you, what's I guess most intriguing private investigations you've been? You guys do 330 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:30,480 oh gosh, I do so many, so many private investigations. Because of 331 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,519 me writing my books, the people that I write the books about end up 332 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,480 reaching out to me and saying, I got stuff going on, can you 333 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,400 come. I think the ones that stick out the most to me, though, 334 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,759 are when we are at an investigation and we get a deceased loved one 335 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:51,400 that comes through. Those those visits are not ghostly business. Those are spiritual 336 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:56,960 visits. But those loved ones use the opportunity to come when we're there because 337 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:03,160 they know that we can see and field right. So even though we're there 338 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,720 to catch the ghostly presence, which we usually do as well, they want 339 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:12,359 to be heard too, and to just be able to deliver those messages to 340 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,720 the family members, the homeowners. It's just so cool because most of the 341 00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:19,480 time we end up it's a bunch of women with some men. The women 342 00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:27,000 end up crying because it's emotional and you're doing this special thing by giving this 343 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,119 family this message that they love one is there. And it happens so many 344 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:36,400 times on those investigations, so many and I mean I can name one was 345 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,839 a grandpa, one was a brother, one was the family dog, another 346 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:48,440 one was a child, the woman's child. And when I'm able to give 347 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,039 those messages to those loved ones, they just they receive them and they accept 348 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,640 them and it just warms their heart because they have that faith that there is 349 00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,359 life thereafter. Because when I do an investigation, I do try to help 350 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:07,279 the spirit understand that if they go into the light, they can come back 351 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,720 anytime they want to. But if they don't go into the light, they're 352 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:14,400 kind of like stuck wherever they are and it is what it is. So 353 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,839 I like to try and encourage them to go into the light, and sometimes 354 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,680 it works, but then sometimes it doesn't. Now with that, I mentioned 355 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:27,640 the show that people are saying, oh, sense of light, but I 356 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,960 might I'm not trained or you know, to do that. I'm not either. 357 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,720 I'm not either my some of my team members are. They they are 358 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,960 able to do that, but I do. I do the talking, Like 359 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:45,559 when they're trying to concentrate, I'll be standing there doing the talking and and 360 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,319 and say go and they are able to tell me whether they've moved on or 361 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,559 not. They'll be They'll be able to tell me they've gone, they're not 362 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,359 here anymore. So I wish I were that gifted. And I'm trying to 363 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,960 learn because everybody has the ability to do it. It's just a matter of 364 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,359 or taking the time to train and learn. But life gets in the way. 365 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,319 So I kind of take what I can get and I've learned a lot. 366 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,079 I've learned a lot about myself and what I can do and what I 367 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,480 have since I started this back in twenty fifteen. I mean, I've been 368 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:18,480 doing this my entire life, but I've not focused on learning about it. 369 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:22,039 I've had it, but I've been afraid of it and that sort of thing. 370 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,599 So it's really only since it's only been since the universe said here, 371 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,480 you got to do something with it. And that's when I was like, 372 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,000 okay, So I do know that being around people like you and my team 373 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:38,599 members who are gifted, it actually helps. And when you have that general 374 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,559 energy of you all together, everyone has a piece of the puzzles the way 375 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,559 I like to put it, and we all have our part that we play 376 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,680 in an investigation to getting to whatever it is we need to get to for 377 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:56,599 that spirit and that family who own that home. So like I do think, 378 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:02,640 like you know, we all have penial glance right here? Do I 379 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,200 think we all do? We do have to have you like like like to 380 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,039 U, I guess tap into it. Do I think we will have the 381 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:15,160 ability to do that? Yeah? Yes, I do. I do feel 382 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:22,079 like you do. Some people have more or more gifted than others. Like 383 00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:25,839 a very dear friend of mine was born with the veil they call it over 384 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,839 her. She was covered with the sack when she was born, and she 385 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:33,559 came out already being able to see spirit, and she was nurtured from a 386 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,359 child on to be able to. In fact, her husband died two years 387 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,839 ago and she's been able to communicate with him since he passed away. So 388 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,960 something like that is something that someone's born with. But we all have a 389 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,640 sensitivity and then those people that are into it and receive it and want to 390 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,359 learn about It's one thing, but then there are other people that don't. 391 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,200 There are other people that cut it out and shut it down or they don't 392 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:07,759 believe, and then you know that makes for them not growing the gift if 393 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:12,440 they have one to do. So it's been like in tune, so it's 394 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,839 a frequency. It's got to tune into that certain frequency. Like sometimes I 395 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,400 go somewhere, I'm like, I feel absolutely nothing in the days it's like 396 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,640 oh wow, okay, don't you know it just it depends depends of my 397 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:29,839 MPa if it wants to wants to want to tune in and like nope, 398 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,039 my tuning like that. Like sometimes I go, look, I mean nothing 399 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,359 like this. Yeah, I know it's saying it's not if people sit in 400 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,480 the room like yeah, somebody's somebody's there, yeah, and it's like what 401 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,279 I mean, it was fine, It was it was cool, like especially 402 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:49,319 like you know with meetums. Yeah, I have to hear from that side. 403 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,640 I do too. I do too. And some of them you can 404 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:57,160 just see, some of them can hear, some of them can see in 405 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,920 here, and and some of them receive pictures. Some of them it's like 406 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,279 a movie real. Yeah, it's very different for a lot of people. 407 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,480 But I understand that because I think I mentioned it to you. When I 408 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,000 was a kid, I used to get premonitions, and the premonitions, like 409 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,119 I came to me in dreams when I was asleep. I would wake up 410 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:21,559 knowing something or seeing It's almost like a deja voo, but just like another 411 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:25,440 level of that that I actually saw something happen and then it would come true. 412 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,359 And that's when you almost say, oh dejah boo. But it wasn't 413 00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,480 you know what I mean, You still still still get those dreams. Now. 414 00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:36,880 I think I told you I had a very frightening experience. I was 415 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,559 about twelve years old when I had a premonition nightmare and it was about two 416 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,000 deaths in my family. And you know, my mom pooh poohed it and 417 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,319 she said, oh, it was just a nightmare, don't worry about it. 418 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,039 And then it came true. And when it came true, it just 419 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,880 took me for a while. I was like, oh my gosh, Oh 420 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,279 my gosh, it happened exactly like you dreamed it. And I was like, 421 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,440 oh my god, I knew it was going to happen. I could 422 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,079 have done something about it. I mean, now I know logically there would 423 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:08,119 have been nothing I could have done about it. Here I was a young 424 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,320 kid. I'm going to say, no, you got to stop this from 425 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,920 happening. Nobody would have believed me anyway. But because of that, I 426 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:21,119 shut down and really really didn't go anywhere with it until I was thirty, 427 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,039 when there was like this reawakening. And when I did reawaken, it was 428 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,039 just to learn about what it is that I could do when the premonition thing 429 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:32,480 never came back. So I may still be dormant. I don't know. 430 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,440 I get. I get some time I get like like for no reason, 431 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,840 like like some bad feeling for no reason. I'm like, something is bad, 432 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,920 but it's kind of like, you know, it's woke up. Like 433 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:49,679 then, like I feel kind of like like a a bad feeling come up, 434 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,079 gone pond. But I don't know, I don't know what it is. 435 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,679 It's like, you know, it's an instinct feeling, that kind of 436 00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,119 thing I still have that I still haven't and I do have a sensitivity of 437 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,800 when I go into a building, I call it my foofye feeling. When 438 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,119 I can I can tell that there's a spirit there and I can tell if 439 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,000 it's good or if it's bad. So that much I have, but beyond 440 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:15,719 it, no, right, yeah, what is the most real proof you 441 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:25,199 you yourself have uncovered so far in your investigations, meaning I guess in definite 442 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,079 proof of ghosts, because first of all, what do you think is definite 443 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,039 proof ghosts are real? Like what do you accept as real proof? And 444 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:42,480 then have you say if you see, uh, apparition, smell, smells 445 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:46,239 the big thing, or voices like the one like the one I sell them. 446 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,000 I walked that room, oh and you know you kind of like you're 447 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,039 about to bump somebody, you try to move away, and I saw quickly 448 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,800 like an old woman with available face knows it once. The second things like 449 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:09,400 that, yes, uh, either smells yeah for for me like more for 450 00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:17,519 physical like like seeing or or smelling, or it doesn't buy voices. I'll 451 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:22,000 trust that more. I asked more than the device is going off? You 452 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,800 know, anything could be causing device go off, but you know scenes and 453 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:34,679 personally yeah, definitely definitely for maybe uh actually actually last night last night, 454 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,320 leave it, I got like my my finger mo damn, like I feel 455 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:45,400 like someone touched my hands, like succept stychlectricity m hm, and James like, 456 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,199 oh yeah, the same, it's the same by you. It was. 457 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,280 It was weird like somebody was. It was. It was cool when 458 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,039 I get, you know, I get all the time. Once once in 459 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:58,440 a while you might get that that big almighty almighty like you know that experience 460 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,159 like that cool like I don't know if you heard that. I put that 461 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:07,039 posted video of the record, uh disivite voice over at the cemetery. Yeah, 462 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,679 it's my analog and just it just said the guy's vote, guy's name. 463 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,880 When that happens, it's great, especially if you can tie the name 464 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,880 back to the actual person, when you actually go back in history and say, 465 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,079 oh my goodness, this person did actually well, I get his name. 466 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:28,960 But what I did was and so I bought. I had my spirit 467 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,920 app going spirit talk app doing the same time. So I watched the video 468 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,400 and I heard him. I ask myself ten question I didn't hear in the 469 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:46,519 video, But eight seconds later I got another word, uh night whisper eight 470 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:51,960 seconds later, So I knew right away I was the answer. That was 471 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,159 not from my spirit. It was not from the spirit app. It was 472 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,199 not from It was straight from so much spoken to the microphone, right, 473 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,599 Dad, perfectly, Yeah, I does catches. Oh my goodness, it's 474 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,000 board off. So I decided to double check in case it was say, 475 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:09,280 okay, it wasn't. It wasn't a voice, it was yeah, I 476 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,119 mean, will happen again? I don't know he has it at one moment, 477 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,360 so yeah, yeah, Well like the Rockport train wreck. I told 478 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,880 you that one time we were there and the bells and the lights went ding 479 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,719 ding ding, and we were interacting with it all night, and then we 480 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,800 went back there twice after that to try and get it to happen again, 481 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,800 and it never did. Although I have spoken to like a former member of 482 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:37,079 my team, John Matthews. He has gone there many times before and he 483 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,400 has said that the lights have done that to him. Yeah, okay, 484 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,960 yeah, so it does happen, because I spoke to him about that after 485 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,519 and they're like, oh, yeah, that that happened to me. So 486 00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:51,360 it does happen, and it can happen. It's just a matter of and 487 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,079 I and as I believe, it was one of the trained engineers who was 488 00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,880 causing that to happen. He was the one that was communicating with us. 489 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,239 Was when I think I told you likes to guard the train, even though 490 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,679 it's not a passenger rail anymore. He doesn't know that he likes to keep 491 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,039 the train safe so nobody else will get hurt. That's what I said. 492 00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,360 I heard because the one first time I went there, I heard the distance 493 00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,599 a train. Yeah, so I heard this, and I'm okay, I'm 494 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:21,599 gonna I'm waiting, wait, I'm waiting. I went, okay, I 495 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:30,480 heard herd once like could train usually could soundly travel all time, so maybe 496 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,119 a couple of miles down and I'm waiting and no train came. Well, 497 00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,840 that was what happened to us too. The bells and the whistles went off. 498 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,000 We were all walking on the tracks and all of a sudden, the 499 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,119 bells and whistles go home. I'm like, oh my gosh, there's a 500 00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:44,239 train coming. Everybody get off the tracks. And we all get off the 501 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,480 tracks and we're waiting and we're waiting and no train comes. And then then 502 00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:50,599 all of a sudden like ding ding ding ding. Oh my gosh, I 503 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,039 think they're trying to get our attention. And that was that, like that 504 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,639 is that that track, while at the track was just not it's a freight. 505 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,440 It's a freight track. Yeah, so a freight train does come through. 506 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:06,079 I don't know how once a blue moon, yeah, because marketing. 507 00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:14,000 The last time before this two and a half hours however, it was nothing 508 00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:16,800 nothing. I don't know how often is. But the people who live in 509 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,360 that house right there confirmed that the train does. It does. It's a 510 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,000 functioning track, it just is not a passenger track, and they do use 511 00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:30,159 it for free. Okay, I re ready to argle, and it says 512 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,280 active is an active line. I'm like, all right, so I gotta 513 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,920 be careful and I'm like, oh, this is no yeah yeah yeah. 514 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,719 So what do you think is the hardest part for you about being a paranormal 515 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,000 investigator. What do you find to be the most difficult thing. Well, 516 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:52,800 I would say explaining people, trying and explain to people why you do why 517 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,239 you do it? You know too well, you're your your I mean when 518 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,199 people say you're a ghost hunter, which I for me that was a little 519 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,519 cliche. Everybody used panormal vestigator or panormal researcher said why do you do it? 520 00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:12,039 They look at the fire heads like or even explained explaining like a location, 521 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,119 what you do and why it's like no, kind of explain to people 522 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:22,280 why what do yeah, yeah, so like what y know what, like 523 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,679 why do you do it? Because I'm passionate about it. I want to 524 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,440 know. I want to know what causes it. I want to know there's 525 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:36,480 more to it. With kind of theory I co work about it is that 526 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:44,360 when we go to places like Burlington, what they're doing things, but at 527 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:50,320 the same time another plane that that that the president is active and it's going 528 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:57,760 out normal doing the normal thing every day. So I've kind of said on 529 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,679 my thing, like guys, it kind of normalst hire some more like time 530 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:07,920 traveling because we see the old buildings is depleted, but right behind us, 531 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:17,079 above or blow us is full functioning. Uh location. It's a little a 532 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,719 little for you know, way out. I'm always thinking about the out of 533 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,119 box like that. Yeah, and the Coke and I talk about all the 534 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:30,119 time about you know about uh in dimensional traveling all that stuff. So there's 535 00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:35,239 so many things that I wasn't even aware of when I first started learning about 536 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,239 this stuff. I mean I kind of had this one track vision yea go 537 00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:45,000 ufo. Then when you get to talking to people in the field, it 538 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:52,639 gets like this and then it's like you don't even think about elementals and gnomes 539 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,480 and ferries. And when you talk to people in the field who are professors 540 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,679 in these major colleges and telling you, oh, yeah, we're we're researching 541 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:08,159 that stuff, and it's like, oh my god, it's crazy. I 542 00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:13,079 think. I think we just kind of started scratching, scratching the top of 543 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:22,119 this whole whole lot, the whole thing. Paranormal has progressed so much over 544 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,280 the last ten years. It's not that it's going somewhere all right, pointing 545 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,480 AB's device hours, I said that, come on, ghost, it's not 546 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,719 it's more like I said, I want to know what caused that? Uh 547 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,519 cause it there's more. There is more out that we know about, and 548 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:46,239 you know how much more? Like I mean, I do think that they 549 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,079 learned with the people coming, we've learned how to multiple manipulate devices. But 550 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,360 yeah, it's so much, so much more. I mean, I got 551 00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:00,880 I got to this thing late. Which younger do it next life? Maybe 552 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:06,280 it's all younger, but yeah, there's there's a lot more late. You 553 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,119 think you're you've come into it late. I started at fifty really, so 554 00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:19,599 I do. I actually added to uh yeah, uh two thousand and twenty. 555 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,480 Yeah, I say fifty right, same me. Okay, a little 556 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:28,960 bit it, but it's fun. I met a lot of people, Uh, 557 00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:31,880 we work with you guys, and a couple of bunds of people we 558 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,199 worked with two day time. Yeah, it's fun. Everybody you know we 559 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:39,920 met at We met at the para con, didn't we? You and I 560 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:49,519 you yeah you would you would support Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, sleepy hollow 561 00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:52,400 and handing out each other's business pass And that's how we met, right right? 562 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,719 Uh? I think, uh next you have you gotten it back there? 563 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:00,519 No? I just went that one time with Bobby J. Gallo. 564 00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:04,239 I was supposed to do it with a team member who backed out and then 565 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,280 he ended up coming in with me and and it was a great way to 566 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,719 make connections. But as far as traffic was concerned, it was pretty dumb. 567 00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,320 I think I don't have the thing it was, uh yeah, things 568 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,599 like traffic. But yeah, yeah, there's a go this year next year. 569 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,000 I mean I didn't go with the one in Jersey. No on that 570 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:32,119 one gets really crazy, that's crazy. Yeah, it's it's fun. You 571 00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:36,719 know, men people like that, I know some some of some are receptive, 572 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:43,199 some honor receptive. No, it's it's it's it's fun, it's got 573 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,079 you gotta phont it, and you know it's time to sit down. I 574 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:52,239 dream about I read the skeptic side of things about that. I'm trying to 575 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,960 read more about it, being about like how like you no how much and 576 00:45:55,199 --> 00:46:00,000 we have like I've readen we have like twenty twenty. Uh. Watch the 577 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,400 power in our bodies, going through it every day, and I try I 578 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,079 figure out what happens when we when we pass away. Some people say about 579 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:14,960 our energy dissipates or it gets regenerated, or it goes nowhere. You know 580 00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:20,960 you can get both sides A and B. Yeah, they do, they 581 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,079 don't the real religious side part of it. You know, when we die, 582 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:28,320 you go straight up there or down there, so there's no in between. 583 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:35,719 So I'm always open to what it's still open to learning. Yeah, 584 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,639 I want. I want to hear from A. I want to hear from 585 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,039 option A, option B. I want we thought about it. Yeah, 586 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,440 you know, I'm you know, open to it, open to it. 587 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,679 I say, learned, What do you plan on doing in the next couple 588 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:59,480 of months we have? The next event is you know, guys, you 589 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:07,119 know come to the West hill manor investigations. I said, maybe it's kind 590 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:13,239 of slow down time, so, uh, you know, any places to 591 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:19,400 go check out. I might just place in a in a Fairfield County hospital, 592 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:22,599 may meet punts. People go up there too. It's kind of slow 593 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,400 down, like I take I took a month off, kind of like we 594 00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:28,519 group. Sometimes you feel like, you know, hit the wall, like 595 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,760 we group a little bit like that, and then and the winter time will 596 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,760 be really it'll be really quiet. So I'll do more like working up things 597 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:45,760 like researching. I want to be more. My uncle married from China, 598 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:49,400 so I want to be more. It's kind of like no now, so 599 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,679 I'll be more into more about like the different cultures like that with words, 600 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:58,760 the Chinese uh culture about like you know, folklore like that, you know, 601 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,800 in between like between stuff like that. But yeah, sometimes something you 602 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,880 break kind of like come you know, like like like Sunday Sunday, Yes, 603 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,440 Sundays. Yeah, yeah, Sunday is not my social media. Every 604 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:16,960 Sundays I'll post only quickly, but otherwise it's my social media the social media 605 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,760 free day. Sundays. You need that you have feel like that, I 606 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,840 mean, I I mean with me I've definitely, like you know, like 607 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,119 a phone wise, I cut my phone time at after a while. I'd 608 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:40,199 rather, you know, won't do whever I read about what causes everything like 609 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:46,519 that also too, like more too the prior investigations. But you've been very 610 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,079 very uh gracious inviting me to inviting me to you. I appreciate that. 611 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,559 So I get inside of your black people, wack people. Black people want 612 00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:02,360 to go to the big places, big you know, cress and places. 613 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,239 Yeah, yeah, I want to go to like the board house, Conjure 614 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,719 in his steal house. But this in between places, and I use those 615 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:17,119 as like electra as training to learn, try different things like that. That's 616 00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:23,360 where you take that with you, you know. So yeah, I agree. 617 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,480 Well, why don't you tell my listeners how they can follow you and 618 00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:30,800 your adventures? All right, you guys guys can follow me on Facebook as 619 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:37,679 Scary Cat Paranormal, following my Instagram I Ghost Ghost Cowboy two four eight, 620 00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:45,400 and on YouTube Scary Cat Paranormal. I'm doing. I'm signing to TikTok. 621 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:50,159 I'm about that. Yeah, my gosh, I did. And so now 622 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,320 I just automatically when I do my posts every every Monday, Wednesday party Monday 623 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,880 was I just go right to the TikTok and do it there too, So 624 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,320 it's it's actually it's can be grading after a while, but it is fun. 625 00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:05,159 You do see a lot of cool stuff on there, and so people 626 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,559 do follow me, so I make sure that I post there. You should 627 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,719 check it out. And it's not Twitter. What was cool X? Now, 628 00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:15,599 Yeah, I've tried. I tried Twitter one time, just like one 629 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,440 week you get didn't follow a second when you get ahold different followers and like 630 00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:24,960 that. Uh it's very it's pretty much for me, but uh, it's 631 00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:29,920 funny a lot to use Facebook. I'm like, like really, I mean 632 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,960 I use my main count as Instagram, so it goes on the Facebook. 633 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,239 You know, I meet people like on my Instagram and be like what like 634 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,480 for me, Instagram is the way to get out there more like that, 635 00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,719 you know, even though it is linked to my Facebook account. Mm hmm. 636 00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:50,599 There's those people that are into the Instagram. Then there's a group that's 637 00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,920 into the Facebook, and then there's a group that's into the TikTok. I 638 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,800 mean you have a mixed, a happy mix of it all. So yeah, 639 00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:59,519 I might, I might, I might eventually do to TikTok, try 640 00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,400 it out, give it so what happens like that? But yeah, well 641 00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:07,679 yeah, I say find me Facebook, Scarecat Paranormal, Instagram, Ghost Cowboy 642 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,559 two four it and YouTube as Scarycat Paranormal. All right, sounds good. 643 00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:15,480 Well, once again, thank you so much for joining me today. I 644 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:20,280 really appreciate it. Thank you Eleanor. Always a pleasure, and we will 645 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,280 be in touch. Yes, ma'am, I have a great Sunday, right, 646 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,199 Thank you you too. 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