Hellas and gentlemen, and welcome to the final XMON ninety seven season one review,
the finale. I'm the clown Prince of Farewells trest Snell, and I'm
joined by I am the genetic inferior Kirkland Patzer, I'm their hardcast, Dyl
Muss Yah I Taylor Field. Yes, Asia, and we have done it.
This has been a long, long road, as we've talked about one
of our biggest retros of all time, just behind me and Taylor's Clone Wars
one many months over. I can't remember what it was. We clocked into
like ten to eleven months of that retrol. Then we got to the series,
did that nine episodes, and here we are to end it off XMN
ninety seven. The rumors are hopefully like late twenty twenty five for the next
season, but like those are just like Sea Tier rumors right now. I'm
not gonna get too excited as long since next year I will. I'll be
happy with that. But yeah, and this is the not the end point,
because we still got Deadpool and Wolverine coming up. But this is the
midway point for the season of x We've done lots of these episodes. We've
done four exclusive X Men episodes about talking about X Men versus Avengers, what
movie we'd want, what ross we'd want. We've done a fan cast draft
for the villains, the heroes, and today just drop the supporting cast.
If you look on patron you can see the ross rut there. And those
are really fun episodes. You should check out the newest one because we were,
as we said, scraping the barrel because we've been on that one.
Yeah, we're getting up to like thirty four reactors now, you know,
and that's well, no, what was the math. It was because we
all selected, so we had already done like eighty eighty actors before we did
yesterday's draft. So yeah, it was. It was tough. There's a
couple of names, a couple last mint Google searches, but a good time.
And yeah, Russians that nobody's heard of before exactly image online. Yeah,
yeah, shout out to that guy. Uh Me and Dylan did a
side quest on X Men Legends three. I hope we get that one day
because and Kirklin was also there. Yeah, support us, supporting us,
and uh yeah, and right now currently the X Men retros are re releasing.
We're just talking about him. Been the feeds for many years, and
back in the day we record one for Apocalypse, but the audio was the
old mics was terrible. So I've roped them into I'm gonna get as Kirkla's
not deemed it. The Nasty Boys, me, Kirkland and Kyle, we're
gonna get to back together and record the one X and retro we had not
done. Maybe I'll ask them to be on the Deadpool logans ones because we're
gonna record those, because those are older than five years. But at least
for sure Apocalypse and Kirklin wasn't. Actually, kirk wasn't on any of those
X reviews as well, like none of the Deadpools, none of the logans.
So was I not on the Apocalypse? I could have sworn I was.
You weren't. I think that might have been right after you had left.
That's why I think I thought I was in the theater watching bad mics.
You know, I'm sure it's it's cracking audio. I found it.
But yeah, so we're gonna get I was quite as a mouse back then
too, so it's probably just a couple of members here. Would you say?
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Mister Field, I actually can't. I was gonna throw to you,
but it was gonna be a spoiler throw to you, So I can't throw
you yet, but we'll talk after because Taylor has hitting me up today.
A lot of sulatory back and forth with me and him with the the MS
draft. We got some got some good luck this episode, but Taylor the
luck aside, How are you feeling about the final episode of season one?
Yeah, the final episode, Holy smokes, it's full steam ahead and then
some That's what I'll say. Uh, it's it's full surprises. They just
pull out so many different heavy punches and it was just it was high octane.
I love this episode. It was really really a fun time and I
felt like that it ends in a in an area that I feel very content
with. We feel like, okay, this is our current story. I
feel like is uh it's being told it's up to this point very very well,
and I feel like, Okay, now we're we're going to see things
with these characters. At this point in this episode. It just has me
really excited for what's to come in the upcoming seasons and whatnot. It's just
I think that the show it's great, and I don't think that they literally
for being within that half hour mark. I'm pretty sure it was half It
was no, it was forty This was long. So it was forty four
minutes? Was it really forty four five? It did not feel like it
ship then I'm glad that it was longer. It was thirty of those minutes
were just Charles and Magnus's storyline. You're talking. Yeah, yeah, come
on, that's like I don't remember that ship being that long. But I
think that they managed to. Uh they told what they needed to tell within
this timeframe. And uh, I'm trying to beat around the bush because I
just everything I want to say it's going to be spoilers. It's a huge,
huge Bush sny Bush. Yeah, Haley retro dropping this week for you
patrons. Yeah, then it's it's it's a good episode. I am super
I'm just super happy with it. And I think that I just I want
more X Men, I really really do good. That's great. You know
they're all unfortunately don't have much on the Disney Plus and Wayne Forrexman Evolution to
come there, hopefully, I think you'd enjoy that. Where is that?
Why is that not on Disney? I don't know. We don't have that.
We don't have Wolverine and the X Men either, which I've truthfully never
full fully seen the full thing. I've said the word falls many times,
but I hear great things about it. So I'd like Disney America. Disney
Plus has that, so I'd like that to change. But X Men Evolution
that's uh. I was a big fan of that back in the day too,
So I've never heard of the Wolverine and the X Men before, heard
of evolutions or Taylor As I was pitching Kirkland before this cast started. You
could start watching the Spider Man animated series, and the X Men do appear
in that for two episodes. There's a big crossover episode about if spier Man's
a mutant, and there's lots of great like just Wolverine in Spierman fighting alone
is worth the price omissions, I'm saying if you're missing that, like,
same voice, actors, everything, same animation. Yeah, same animation so
obviously older not all of them, like the Wolverine guys, the same one
some but like the same as the original OG show, Like obviously they swap
some actors here, but yeah, it's the same universe. So I'm telling
you there's some good stuff. What's the episode and I just skipped to that
specific Nope, nope, you gotta watch it. You gotta earn it.
Yeah, you gotta, you gotta earn it done. Did this finale earn
some stripes at the the stripes The stripes have been earned. I really enjoyed
this. This was a fun finale. There's something about it, though that's
holding me back, and I think it's because it it's like, this is
an ending, but it's like it's really not conclusive in any way, and
I feel like this is just a thing that every show does these days,
and it really bothers me, or at least the shows that I that are
my favorite are ones that actually do have nice conclusive endings. So I guess
there's a part of me that it just doesn't really feel over yet. And
now as you're saying, like, you know, rumors are pointing to maybe
we have to wait like a year and a half or something, and that's
a long time away. So that's that's too bad. But no, there's
a lot of really great stuff that happens in this episode. I think I've
kind of seen the righting on the wall for certain characters and storylines in the
last couple episodes, just being like, I don't think we're gonna have the
time to really stick the landing on these and that ended up being the case.
But then other characters did get some really great moments here. There's some
fun classic combo attacks and all that, and you know, some fun cameo,
So this was this was a really good time. But I do feel
like with this show, I get it started out so freaking strong, it
said the bar so high, hm, and it like just slightly under delivered.
So that's still, like, you know, evens out to be a
very, very quality show, but I don't know something about it. It's
not like it fell off by any means, but it just I don't know.
I feel like I was way more in it the first few episodes I
than I did with this maybe the last three partter and closing it out,
so that's too bad, but I still had a really good time with it
overall. So I'm gonna go next because I'm gonna ask you a question because
I think I'm similar to you. I don't think I'm as low and not
saying your Lona, but not as low. But at the same time,
do you think if the quality of the episodes of the whole show was just
like the back half, would you've been much more higher? Because like I
think, like I'm saying, just compared like six to ten to the original
series, would you still consider that a big step up? Well, I
feel like a lot of the crazier plot twist thing like things that I would
not have expected. Like it's like, I can't believe that went there,
those sort of decisions all and I have to go back to the episode.
I feel like those things happened in the first half of the season, and
so the second half was really just like putting the pieces back together, and
so maybe it wasn't as shocking or wowing in that way, and it kind
of just went back to, like, I don't know, a very consistent
quality, but wasn't blowing me away in that same extent. So I don't
know's it's I feel like the quality is even the whole time. It's just
really like how much they're going there with the plot points. I feel like
they the first half got to be a lot more crazy with it, which
makes sense, you know. The second half is trying to tie it all
together and connect all these storylines where the first half and really just be whatever
it wants at that point in time. So I don't know's that's a tricky
question for me, Yeah, because I'm in the same place where it's tough
too for me. We talked about on the Ala, and I'm talking about
this all the time, But I wonder too. The first one to five
had like good action set pieces, but I feel like that was a bit
more character driven, where I feel like this back half, especially the last
three, there's many there's sometimes half the episodes are them fight Bashed or the
Sentinels, right, And that's where I am where I think overall it's still
great. I think it's still Honestly, i'd probably go low key season one
and then this right under as far as the like Disney plus rank. I
know it's on the MCU, but just like what they've put out. Yeah,
because that season two is great. I think Wandavision's great, but it
still was such a high quality. And it's tough too, because, like
you said, with the way it ends, I still have not issues but
questions or maybe some minor issues with the show that could get resolved in episode
one or two of next season. Right. So that's where like I'm really
tough of because I talk about this Chris Marvel alliance where we both agree on
some stuff where it's like, oh, like this needs some explanation. Even
with this episode being longer, I didn't get it. And it's not like
a massive con. It's not like, oh man, really brought down with
stuff like I felt the first five episodes didn't have that. I thought they
were maybe a little they were rushing, of course, but they still took
certain moments to explain things where there's this this felt like at times not fully
but there's some moments that felt like it was missing an episode like this was
episode eleven out of ten, and I miss or eleven and at eleven and
I missed episode ten because there's some stuff they just almost ignore from last week
that were really big developments and big moments and they're not even spoken of here.
And I washed it twice just to be sure, and it's not.
So that's why I can't when we rake it, I can't like give it
like a perfect score because obviously we have other things too. But overall,
I think it gave like a I guess at least now it sucks to wait,
but at least knowing there's a season two, I think that makes the
pill easily easier to swallow. If there wasn't, i'd be much more like,
Man, I'm really worried and I can't enjoy this, but I can
enjoy this right now. It's like the Dune Part one, Part two,
things sort of deal where it's like, you know, because I knew that
I could give the ten where Kirkham was a little iffy, so he gave
it like the one out of ten. So like that's where but at least
with this, I go, Okay, that's not affecting it, so things
could be answered. I like where the show's left off. I think there's
multiple storylines. It's not going where I think we theorize, and a lot
of other people theorized, so that's fun. I think there's a lot of
interesting predicaments, and there's things that I was wrong about that end up being
liking them. Great action stuff in here. So overall, still like a
like I can't say it's like a home run, but it's you got the
third base, That's what I say. That's the best thing next to home
run, right, And that's pretty good, right if you were to hitting
it all the way there, And I still say they won the game.
Like, overall, like compared to the original season or original show, I
still think it's a big step up. I still think, like I said,
as far as Disney Plus, it'd be like Loki and Or and then
this probably that'd be my top three like those are the mecha of that,
and I'm very excited to see what they do. And I'm very excited to
talk about this fintatale because I think they left a lot of openness. So
still really enjoyed it, thought it was great, but there's still like some
minor quibbles I have that maybe could be fixed next season. But I just
have to go with what they've presented me so far, and even there's some
things I still go I don't know if that makes sense and so, but
overall, I still liked it, but I agree that I think the first
five I like more than the back half. But again, it's like a
slight It's not like I'm not saying there was like a massive nose dive.
It was just, you know, it's like if you got your food warm
out of the oven, you know it's in there. For the twenty minutes
that first seme it's nice and warm and crisp, but then afterwards, like
been sin there for a bit. Lukewarm sounds bad. The show is not
lukewarm. It's still great. But that's what I'm trying to say. Kirk,
take it away. I'll take it away from you. Uh yeah,
No, I think that this episode was a hot, steamy pile of wonder.
I love this episode. I thought it was fantastic. I think no
one bought that. I saw your eyes, you were you were I shaking.
I think you got them let us. I think like this three parter
of the finale, the Extinction Gos Tolerance's Extinction is just a fantastic three part
finale here. I just the show in general is just miles higher than what
that first show was, so like just the comparison, it just it's it's
so shiny to me, Like this show is just so top quality with what
they're able to do on just character moments. I've said it, I think
every single episode I've been a part of, but the animation quality is just
so top tier and all of the action that they are able to do with
like the animators and everything it looks so good and just everything with like the
camera angles, the shading and everything. It just I tip my hat to
them. So it's just eye candy to me. I love the look of
the show. It's it's so fantastic, And I feel like in this episode
in particular, there was like three moments when I just like gasped and I
think that's just so fantastic to have in a finale. I'm not gonna say
is a perfect season. I think this episode really kind of not really brought
to light some of the issues I have, but it's more so like I
was waiting for an answer or like a further on something and I just didn't
get that. So it's like, Okay, I'm gonna have to maybe minor
le dock it in that sense just because of something wasn't answered or maybe uh,
I was expecting more from a character's arc and we and we just didn't
get it in this season. And as you're kind of mentioning Travis, like
it could be resolved early next season, but you do have to kind of
judge it as this one one property here with the one season. So no,
I still think it's so top tier caliber, a big bastion hater in
his in his origin like that first appearance and now it's just like, man,
this guy is crazy. I really like this villain. So yeah,
I know, I think it's a fantastic season finale, and it's got me
want anymore. It's definitely like I just want to be watching the next episode,
the next season, next week, and unfortunately you gotta wait. But
I'm glad I have that thought. You know. It's not like, Okay,
I can wait for the next season or or or not or whatnot.
But no, I think they did a good job at setting up what's to
come, and I just don't really know what's going on other than some some
familiar faces and some some familiar items that you know, certain characters are attached
to. So so I think that uh yeah, I was gonna say some
thumbs, but I'll I'll wait till later for the thumbs. I'm getting too
excited at an episode right now. That's it. I wasn't a part of
last week's episode. You guys did a great review, but that was a
fucking banger as well. So yeah, I've been riding this tolerance. What
are your thumbs for that episode? That's a two thumber for sure, double
yeah. Yeah, Well there you go. This is your last chance.
We're gonna take our ad break and then we're gonna get into the spoilers of
X ninety seven finale season one. We'll be right back. All right,
let's do this to us our geek. First, let's break this down,
and I want to go to the cameos first, because I feel like there's
not much to talk about them. There's one big one. But Taylor's hitting
me up. My phone was blowing up this morning at six am because I
was not putting two two together because yesterday I got that unfortunate news that the
Dared doubl Show was going to be in twenty twenty five. So man,
my second draft pick getting me nothing, not a zero zippo. And then
Taylor warmed up my day. Usually it's annoying when you text me, but
they were like, oh man, that, and then he reminded me about
Strange. I was like, oh my goodness, I have Strange. And
then I got to write about some else. But the other thing I forgot
too, which who else was it there? It was funny enough to Choka.
I had Cha Choka and that's great, a whole buzz on the internet
because there's a big debate, which I kind of didn't think they Someone asked
the creator Bodomayo, why was it Cha Chaka not Cha'challa. He said he
couldn't speak on that. And there has been a thing where Marvel actually is
not used to Challa. Since Chadwick has passed away. So that's a big
debate now, like which I get them in like even in the comics,
other than what if I think in the comics he's not even around right now,
and I think it's someone else that's Black Panther and in the two video
games that's coming out, like the Black Panther on the Captain America whatever that
what's that game call again now Hydrid nineteen forty three, not Captain Taylor Panther
Spy or whatever. But yeah, pant they gotta change that title again.
That's a bad title, Like I can't remember all title but like those there's
another thing this like they just keep using Cha Chaka, So that's another time
to talk about. But it is interesting of man, like I get why
they're going with the MCU route, but I don't think you should just like
make cha Challa is non existent now, so it's kind of odd. But
I do not think i'd be getting to Choka here. So I got to
Choka Doctor Change and Dared Devil all surprise points. Then I got to inform
Taylor because he did get the big bad boot Blue Booty Daddy Apocalypse we will
talk about in surprise appearance and end credits because he did not watch that end
credit, which will also get to sots Iron on their list. No,
Talo's Iron Hart but not our man Iron Apocalypse if it's like not actually apocalypse
at that time, if it's that character, but it doesn't him, but
doesn't matter the end credit, I know he gets Okay, the Jeffrey Taylor,
he's still he still gets to the one point. There s Taylor,
you're on the board. You were on the board, but now you're at
sixty. And now I've taken a ten point lead on Dylan right now,
so it's one dead Pool and Wolverine as characters. Uh, let's see one
of them. Taylor has Deadpool and Kirkland has Wolverine. There's gonna be some
spicy points for you guys just on Bad Rock right now, right at the
bottom. No, no, no, you're you're one. Uh you're one
thirty, So yeah, no, you're fine. You still got Vanom coming
out. You didn't get any saber Tooth or Dazzer points. I'm kind of
surprised we never got Dazzler in the show, you know. Yeah, I
thought that was a given. Even saber Tooth. Well oh wait, no,
it doesn't count Dazzler and show, didn't we what is he singing up
on stage? One point? If so, I need explosion, yeah,
if so, I need to, don't worry our j We're getting there.
That's why I'm on the Canadas first. We're getting there. That's my name
here. But if that's the case, then Kirkland will be like, there's
there's a five point difference between me, Dylan and uh myself's my name name
Kirkland. Yeah, but Taylor does have some big pits come on. Yeah,
but even then in Sabertooth close, but we got more Saber two doesn't
count. But I thought I saw him in the photos that uh he was
Havoc that looked like yeah, yeah. But the other cameras we got,
like I said, Darrenedel got strange ju insurgery, we got the Avengers.
So I'm just saying, if you can't do a Spiderman show, give us
that Avengers ninety nine. But then, finally, because you know, I
was Santa Kurklam before we went on air, the internet has just turned on
Spider Man, Your Friendly neighborhood because no one wants to show anymore. I
feel bad for these creators because everyone just wants Spider Man ninety eight now.
But we're gonna get this. I pray to God for them that it's good.
I hope it's good because the people are gonna come up Pitchfords. But
if we don't go back one of our biggest retros ever too, Me,
Dylan and Kyle did the Spider Man retrospective and Dylan, if you remember that
last episode ended on a cliffhanger of MJ was lost out there. So if
we never get that revival, if we never episode, we got our answer
today bow to mail. He did tweet out day he said yes, he
found MJ. So they have confirmed that in the universe. Who knows.
I hope we get a show so we get the answer. But somehow Peter
Parker did find MJ. Wait is that in the episode or he just tweeted
it? Not it's in the episode? I totally miss Oh my god.
So when the meteor is coming down, they show a bunch of people watching
and they show there's Flash and his like shitty sports jacket, and it's Peter
and MJ is standing. It's MJ with that yellow tot with the purple and
Peter with that like that brown purple jacket. It's them watching on the news.
They're watching the news together outside. So in this universe, he got
MJ back. So now I can die like I've been living on that since
the nineties, that stupid cliffhanger. So again, I want the show,
but if it ever happens, the least we know he got MJ back,
and I'm very very excited about that. So it's just like just a happy
ending. But yeah, I loved all these cameras. It was great when
we talk about how many times the original show bad stuff be happening, and
they've done this already, but this was like the mecha of you're seeing Wakanda,
you're seeing the Avengers, you're seeing Spider Man, you're seeing Daredevil.
I did not have dareduvel on, Michael. You see Cloak and Dagger so
very very cool, and I think that added to the stakes of this episode.
Man. When I saw Cloak and Dagger pop up, you know,
they're Marvel snap cards and like, I've used both of them multiple times,
but like it didn't click that they're like a pairing until they literally just appeared
together, and I'm like, oh, Cloak and Dagger, Yeah, oh,
yeah, that makes sense. Man, I can't find this, and
if it has a minute count for this, please send it. It's right
before the asteroid in a minute, but scrolling and I can't. I can't
see it anywhere. Hey, what do you think about these canons? Obviously
got some points. That's good, and you needed these points to get you
back in because the jump from thirty to sixty five is pretty good. So
Apocalypse you end up being a good pick for you. It's a good pick.
I was extremely concerned. I thought, man, I'm not getting ship
all from Apocalypse and the season it's brutal. But I thought seeing this episode
when Bastian and Rogue crash Land because Roe just kicks the shit out of him.
Yeah, and then you briefly see like these these stone statues, like,
oh, that's that's Apocalypse. That's like his that looks like is either
Easter Island heads or it's actually Apocalypse on the statue. So there you go.
I'm just super happy we got him. Uh yeah, and yeah this
I think the cameos are great. I just seeing you Daredevil strange and getting
Steve Rogers with his mask off too was cool and just a lot of emphasis
on his his upset, not even reluctance, but his accept acknowledgment of what
the president was doing. So let's fucking fire the missiles. Which was good
because I saw a lot of pushback cap cup episodes ago there, like Cap
in the comics never follows the government like he is, but this is such
a bad representation. Just relax, Like to me, I didn't take it
as he was because he said he had a mission. I didn't take it
was like, I'm gonna fucking take you in. And now here we see
a few episodes where he's like, hey, don't fucking destroy the mutes,
and then when they do, he puts his head down. So it's like,
I don't think this was a government captain America. And yeah, it
was a great moment. It felt like, you know, compared to MCU
like early Cap like in the First Avenger, Yeah, when he first Avenger
Winter Soldier. Yeah, like in between that where like he his own morals,
like he's questioning it, but like he's still playing game and being like
the good soldier that he has to be. But yeah, I love that
moment, Like it just it showed layers to that character that's a side character
in the show. I thought that, Yeah, fantastic, and hell,
maybe if they make that Avenger show, this could be the tipping off point,
right, this could be like, well, we can't trust working for
the government. We got to do our own thing. And Tony was there
like I just want that show to go too in that moment like he was,
he was like in the room. And then when it goes to them
fight with Bash, Okay, he's a little late, just just a few
minus idly be a nice battle between those two. That would be the robot
types. Yeah, so Dylan, now have you laid your eyes on the
Glory? I mean, I did see that scene. I'm like that that
doesn't look like Peter Parker to me, in my opinion, I see MJ
now. I remember seeing I was like, she looks kind of familiar.
But I did not even I didn't see flash in the background, flashing on
the background. I would not have caught that on my own without people like
sha, yeah, that's uh, that's cool. I definitely want I mean,
I'm with you online, I want like the revival of that show too.
But we got some resolution to that retro. You know, he found
her so good good on him, So I know, I need some time
to let that sink in. It's uh, I'm just learning about it right
now. So MJ was the one that stood out to me. It's just
that iconic red hair because like it's it's not like they have the camera on
them for very long. It's just kind of showing like citizens witnessing the asteroid
coming down. And then it's just like a red hair man that stands out.
And then I rewound and then I'm like, oh, that's got to
be Peter, And that just stuck out because peters in the back in that
show. He only has two outfits. He either wears that or he wears
this shirt, which I have saved in my marks. If that was a
shirt, I probably would have recognized it. To be honest. Every day
I look at it and I think about buying it. It's like gonna be
like one hundred dollars with shipping. I haven't re used though every day I
still have, like, look at my tabs, it's my number one tab
there and I haven't the lead yet because I'm on is that like an actual
like Marvel product? There? There was one on Disney website but was gone
such just a knockoff one, plus I didn't like it. The Disney one
had the same shirt but had like a big Spider Man logo. I don't
want that, Like, I just want the shirt. I want the polo.
So I'll probably still I'm probably gonna break sooner buy it. But what
do you think of the canvas in generals? Other than we'll talk of the
end credit obviously later on. Yeah, I know it was really fun.
I mean seeing Daredevil since he was a showed up once or twice in the
Spider Man series as well, so once again kind of having the characters that
we've seen before Silver Samurai is surprising that we I mean, I guess it's
kind of such a because we saw what was it, Spidey Samurai and and
omeg red Omega red in like the was last episode, so it makes sense
to kind of resolve that. But like, he didn't really do much.
He was just like his face again right or we love standing there and watching.
That's what he did. He just stand there watching. I think he's
definitely coming next season. I think, yeah, And then I liked one
thing that got me potentially excited is is Sidewalk was running with that crew and
I can't remember their name, but like the twins and then a couple of
those other people. I'd love to see if she had like her own little
crew now with those people and some other characters. I think what was his
name, Puck? Is that is that the creepy Yeah people. Yeah,
so that would be That's That's kind of an interesting pairing, So I'm curious
to dig more into that one. But no, they were. They were
all very fun and it was cool that they were actually a little bit substantial
substantial this time too. I feel like, especially with Cap and Iron Man,
as you guys just kind of already broke that down. But yeah,
even like I guess so Micro, we don't really see him fight a whole
We see him like start to fight and then it kind of like ends before
that. But he also was like with some other crew as well, So
I feel like there's they're setting up maybe some faction stuff that they can play
with in the future, which is kind of, you know, potentially interesting.
In the world that is now Postingnosha, the Morlocks aren't around, so
I feel like we need some other kind of cruise kicking around in this world.
I mean, I could see the first few episodes of the next season,
not even being in this timeline really in a meaningful way. But well,
and that's the other thing too. They said at the end of the
episode, the X Men have been missing for six months, so it's like,
what has happened in the world, Like I would love, like I'd
love an episode where we follow our main characters, but then another episode where
it is just what's been happening to the world while the X Men are gone,
because there's to be somebody, right and Ford was trying to look for
them. Some were missing, some and nothing. They had patro and Scarlet
like off world, so it's like, what does that mean? Like that's
I mean, like I'd be curious what has happened in these six months?
Same things like is a Mega Red like a good guy now? Like is
he teamed up with Munes after this because he saw their like are all the
Mutes united now? You know? And they said this thing on the radio
that everyone's prepping for the second coming Magneto And it's like, what the fuck
does that mean? Like is like is Magneto Jesus now or they think he's
gonna come back? And was the X Men disappearing? Kingpin's like a charitable
guy. Now there's no poverty in the world. Yeah, Doctor June's like
a nice president, you know. But like yeah, I'm just you're is
like what what like what does that mean they're prepping for the second coming of
Magneto, because like Magneto is just like he's stuck in Egypt somewhere. It'd
be different if you didn't see him, and I'd be like, oh man,
what's the upstre But no, he's like he's just trying to survive,
you know. I mean I just took that like because he was such a
threat to humanity, right, like he had his fight against war against humanity.
They label him the villain, and then he just disappears and then now
they're worried that he could be coming back. Like That's how I took that
statement more, not not so much, you know, the day I took
it the other way. They saw that he saved them at the end,
even if he did cause the outage in the first place and maybe build asteroid
him in the first place. But I took it as more that when they
were about to get sucked up by this asteroid coming down, he he was
the one that saved it, and they were able to tell that because of
like I don't know, just the big electronic storm. I guess that looks
like something Magneto would do the side, but it could be either way.
I I thought in that same sense, there was some line about some aer
showing support for the second coming of Mayni or something like that, so you
could be right that there, and again that could just be the brotherhood thing,
right, And I just don't really let's talk that was a lot of
lets let's talk about Magneto, because I'm we get a lot. I liked
all the stuff they did with Charles. I think they could have maybe shortened
a bit, but I liked all the stuff. I liked the imagery.
I'm very curious what they're gonna do with him because obviously the first few episodes
they just gotta team up to get back to their timeline, right, So
it doesn't really matter if he's good, bad and different. They just gotta
work together. I just don't know what they do with him now, because
we talked about this before, we're okay, if he goes evil, he's
gonna go really evil, and now he did, but then he saved the
world, so it's just like, can he return back to our timeline or
the ninety seven timeline, just be like, oh, I screwed up again.
But I'm with the X Men, like, I really don't know what
I would have actually been fine with him doing like a sacrifice move here,
you know, because I just I don't want to get it into the place
where the live action movie got where he just kept going back and forth all
the time, and I think we already all of us were like, oh,
he turned bad too quickly again, But that's fine if he wants to
send off. So I'm very torn what they're gonna do with him once he
gets to the nice seven time. Maybe he doesn't, Maybe he makes a
sacrifice move there right, maybe he saves himself or saves them like so we'll
see, but as right now, I'm very confused what they're gonna do with
them. So yeah, No, I went on a bit of a camel
ride with Magneto and this in this one with lots of ups and down,
lots of humps. But because I at first I thought he I thought Charles
was just fucking murking him right there. When he does his like close up
right on him, you got like the cone, like the psionic cone just
going around his head, they like get twisted up in the air. I
thought that was gonna be the end of it. Was Magnus, Eric,
all of those names, and then you've seen his file has two other names
that they bleeped out. No, it was Ian and they blanked out the
last name, and then Michael on they blanked out the last time. Oh
that's kind of fun. Yeah, I like that, but no, Like
I I felt like we did the redemption kind of Magnus at the start of
this season and then and then you know, the big event happened, and
then he's just going back to his evil ways and this is like the most
extreme it's been. That's why I thought it was gonna end in his death,
especially with what he did to Wolverine. Let right, like even like
I felt like that confrontation between him and Uh, I almost said Patrick Stewart,
him and Charles kind of lackluster. It's just like, and what you
did to Wolverine, It's like, well, he tried to murder me and
then that was just it. So I true, did he did take the
first shot? No? Yeah, No, you're not wrong. I I
just feel I'm kind of worried that we're gonna get into this zone where Okay,
he's back on our team, and then something's gonna happen, and then
he's just gonna go this again. I am hoping, and I don't think
this is gonna happen, but I'm kind of hoping that he is permanently like
fucked up in the psyche and he's almost like it's almost like a Gallum Sniegel
type situation where like he's just constantly and like it's not as extreme as that
where he's talking with himself, but I wouldn't want that to just kind of
have him seem like he's an X man, like a good guy, and
then there's just this like cloud that he's kind of having over and like an
eternal dialogue. I guess I am kind of just laying out a Sniegel Golum
situation, but I don't know that's that's kind of fun. Like I feel
like that's very different, and I do want him to be permanently changed from
this. I'm worried that we're just gonna be going back to the flip flopping.
But yeah, I loved his line, just the small line of it's
much easier to bend metal than it is minds Charles, I thought that was
really great. But yeah, I'm with you, guys. I don't really
know where we're going with this. I mean, if I had to make
a prediction once we get back to the main timeline, I don't. I
feel like they've set him up so much in this show, specifically in this
revival, that they want him to be a permanent member and not just go
off to the Savage Land or go off and you know, find his piece
up on a mountain somewhere and then come back with the Brotherhood of Mutants in
the future or something. So I think it would be fun if he's just
a constant member of the X Mansion, part of the member of the team
leader with Charles, and then you can just play on that a lot more
of them without whatever situation arises week to week, or in this show it's
more of a one cohesive story. Whatever situation arises, you can just hear
their differing opinions and maybe they're splintering factions, and I think that could be
you know, that could lead into a villain turn or something again in the
future. But I do hope we get a bit more of that. We
all talked about we wanted a bit more time of him being the literally that
X Men and we can we can still have that. I think doing it
alongside Charles would be interesting in the push and pull there, so I could
see him just being like, well, according to the will, like you
left me the mansion, so actually they are my X Men still even if
you're back. Unless maybe he had some fine print. We all know,
Charles, you probably slamming the guy who'd have front. But I think that
could be a really fun dynamic to play on some more. But I also
wouldn't be shocked if he just disappears for a while and then it comes back
and has some villain situation going on. But I don't know. I feel
like this show seems a bit more mature than that to just go down that
route again. The other thing that surprised me about him in this episode was
how hung up he was on rogue, and that was something that he obviously
bottles it up inside, but since Charles was inside of him and visiting those
thoughts and rogues out on like a boat on the waves there. But I
was really surprised to hear about it. I feel like he hadn't mentioned that
past the like, uh, I guess proposal, and then she denied him
for Gambit and then everything went down to Genoa of Time, right, Yeah,
because he's been like crossed up for weeks and everything like that. Yeah,
so I guess that's the reason why. But I feel like they maybe
they should have done something previously of just him thinking like in his mind some
own thoughts, talking to himself or talking to val or something I could that
could that could work where he expressed those motions, because it kind of caught
me off guard here. But I don't know if I'm alone on that,
Oh, I'm with you. I I feel like it seems strange for him
to be like on the brink of just like no memories, doesn't remember his
family, and like Rogue is the one that he's kind of like like that's
his main like catalyst to bring him back to the normal world. It did
seem like a bit of a stretch. I don't know. I'm curious what's
gonna happen with that relationship going forward, because it really seems like something that
they made the decision going into this X Men ninety seven show, like this
is gonna be not like a main pillar of the show, but like a
big decision, big character decision, I guess of that pairing. And you
know when when Remy eventually shows up again, that there'll be some tension there.
Well, I think that's why they're gonna get together next year, because
they'll be together and then lo and behold. That's when Gamba comes back,
and that when it's like, oh shit, like Rogue's putting the situation again,
right, especially because like Magneto and her got out, like there was
three separate people that got our groups. It's funny. I all always like
all these teams are gonna end up split up, and they did, but
not on the way I thought. You have the team in Egypt, which
is Magneto, Charles beast Row, and then and you have the future which
is Scott and Jane. We have no fucking clue where more from Wolverine are.
They were none of the They weren't in the current day, and they
weren't with the Egypt team, and they weren't with the future teams. I
really don't know when that they were Yeah, okay, they were with the
whole crew when they because it was like we'll get there. But when he's
still healing and stuff like that. Right, So he was. I believe
he was because the last scene when Cyclops is like, don't you do this
to her? No, technically the last scene was really fucked up, which
I liked that of Scott, which I still have issues, but I like
him saying like if you die, you're gonna break your heart. It's like,
okay again, just let's just do the throttle. Let's just do it.
But the last scene of Wolverine was it looks like he's kind of fading
away and Morph turns into Jean Gray and it's like, I love you,
hold on. He's like Gene. So that was the last scene. Morph
just really just fucking with his emotions. You did not actually say Gene for
any he did? Well here he was like he does, No, I
think he says Gene. I think he's asked for Gene. But watch it
back. I'm pretty sure he asked for Gene and that's what she said.
So but I think he was on that ship with him, because where else
would he have been, right or astray? I'm like yeah, because he
never went back to Earth. I was just trying to remember because Cable was
the one on Earth who was getting sucked up, and then Forge is fixing
him, not Wolverine. Yeah, those two. Yeah, so I don't
really know. I for fun, I would like him to be with Scott
and Gene, but I don't think that's gonna happen. So I really don't
know. Maybe there's gonna be somewhere else too, maybe they'll be a completely
different third equation. And even then, I guess we didn't see Storm or
jubil Oh, yeah, we didn't see storm Jubilee or you didn't see storm
jubilees on Earth Sunspot? Yeah, they flew away, remember Jubilee fell out
and Sunspot grabbed her. But how come that thumb down, Travis? He
did not say Gene and under the breath I just pulled up with subtitles and
everything. Your subtitles are wrong. You're trying to force it out there.
Okay, but how come if why did Forge have a missing possibly dead sticker
on Storm Storm? Storm? You're right? Is with is? We don't
know. I guess we did see an either timeline, but Jubilee Sunspot is
what we're saying there on her Okay, So okay, so there, I
think I couldn't read what it said. I think it's head alive. Okay
said something, it didn't say. It didn't say unknown whatever. The other
one said. It's like the two X men that come back are fucking Jubilee
and sun Spot. You couldn't got anybody else but Jubilee popped off that fight
though she showed that she's got some power. I love that bash and made
some like fourth of July joke for that before and then just fucked up his
face as I said, she hadn't heard that one before. Actually I love
that line because I feel like that's that's different, different subtitles different. And
then she said Gene, But so that makes that makes me think that Wolverine,
Morph and Storm are in a third place. Then I would think,
yeah, you're frozen bad there. Oh I am you got a big forge,
Taylor. What did you think of it? Because you didn't know?
What do you think about me? You know? And then what do you
think about all these the time stuff we were transitioning too, But start with
Magnus. Yeah, For firstly, with Magneto, I think him having a
blank slate of a mind and just kind of like trying to recall certain things,
and Xavier kind of talking through the ropes. I like that as mind
goes to rogue, cause I feel like that's just one of the earlier things
he could think of that or would come to. That's really was a positive
thing in his life. And so I like that as mind goes there and
can recall rogue as an important factor in his personal life. So I was
expecting you to come back to that frame, what you're frozen again, if
we're going from Dexter to that, I just wasn't. Oh, in my
screen, it's just black, so okay. And then his whole kind of
recuperation of just counting of events and just feeling alone and isolated, and the
waves the water is so cold. I was just very traumatizing, and I
was I was digging all of that. It was really really intense, and
then getting into uh, the other characters and where they're at now. I
personally, they're just when Beast is talking about how we can all act like
in synchronicity here we can basically save the day. I like that, and
so they all do just that. But the idea that these humans fired off
these missiles at asteroid M to destroy it, but knowing that this probably isn't
a good idea because it's gonna crash on Earth and like wipe out half of
the United States or something like that, Like like what the fuck, Like,
are you that really good? Big risk? There's a very big risk.
And what was their point? Like, Oh, someone was like,
oh, there's fire in the sky, let's fucking nuke this asteroid and annihilate
our country. Just a stupid, stupid decision. But I think they're just
scared by Needle would do worse though, you know, like he like it's
the country versus like the whole planet, maybe, I guess. And that's
just like that's just humans with the lack of information, just going in and
thinking that they can make the call, the be the shot caller here.
They should have listened to Yeah, but he had a lack of information.
He was making this this declaration of attack here based on insufficient evidence and information
on what was really going on. So he should have just listened to Steve
Rogers. He should have just been listening to all these other soups that were
just telling him, like, you know, you need to calm the fuck
down, man and just listen. Just let the X men do their shit.
We don't know what's going on. So anyways, I think Bill,
sorry, can I quickly add in, like with the asteroid M thing,
like the way he was shot, it seemed like those three there was like
three missiles that went all the way through the asteroid to like, I guess
the gravity machine that keeps it floating in the sky. And to me,
like looked like that was like an intentional plan to hit that part of it
down. But I don't Maybe that was an accident. Maybe they're trying to
crumble it down, and it was the Magneto proto call, wasn't it like
the Dossierra That's what it said, which I read. I read magnet two
protocol at first, But I think that this was specifically tailored to destroy Planet
M. They had the right, but I'm saying, like, don't know
if they meant to hit the gravity part of that, like that purple machine
that gravity work. Oh, I see, I don't even know if that's
how it works, But it seemed like that was intentional. Yeah, you
make a good point, because I mean, why would you intentionally want I
mean that was my issue in the first place. Why would you intentionally want
to hit that and destroy half of your country or your whole country, So
maybe you make you make a good point there, because like their their plan
and correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I missed a big portion of this.
But it's not necessarily to hit the asteroid to prevent it from hitting them,
right, it's just to take out Magneto because he's the one that's like
emp the entire Earth, right, Like, isn't that their motivation right there
where they just have planet M in the or asteroid M, not Planet M
up in the sky, up in the exit sphere, whatever the hell's it
is, and like they're just trying to take it out and then the stuff's
going on, they hit the gravity and then they're just basically as in the
next extinction event. I think Beast mentions the going the way of the dinosaurs,
as he eloquently said. But that's that's how it went, right,
I believe. So yeah, I mean I don't I guess I don't know
if they're trying to go for the asteroid or specifically Magneto as the guy.
Yeah, he's got to be up there somewhere to shut up fire Like,
I guess it's kind of one and the same, but maybe that's where they
fucked up or something big time. But yeah, it's just getting this whole
kind of dynamic with our characters and having half the team in the past half
the team in the future. I just I'm so happy with this, and
it's such an unexpected turn that I was. I was curious how they were
going to progress with this show, because when you deal with a character like
Bashi and you deal with this fall out of Nathan and everything that has underwhelmed
or not overwhelmed our our heroes in this in this show, I don't know
what you could really do to continue on. And so just to come up
with this dynamic ending where you split our team up and you have the past,
the future and time travel coming in here, are we gonna I doubt
we're gonna get multiversal. I welcome it, but I don't think that's really
in the realm for the animated show. I think that they're just gonna stick
to the time travel that's always served them pretty well in the past with the
original five seasons. So I'm very much looking forward to seeing our characters work
with maybe a good uh pre apocalypse guy. I think that's just that's gonna
be really cool, and I'm assuming he's good at this point. I mean,
he looked like he was just being harassed by these fucking uh followers of
Yeah, that was because he's supposed to be the first mutant, right that's
Apocalypses. Yeah, yeah, you love those guys look pretty mutant, you
know if you're asking me the the Egyptian soldiers, so, I mean,
you're It's interesting too because when the world of X Men, we deal with
this this scenario of when you change things in the timeline, then you like
really fuck up and change timeline. We spent many times where, oh,
this future is terrible, So I'm not bashing a bishop goes back in time
and he changes one thing, keeps one person alive, one person dies,
who knows, and then it totally creates a new future. And so with
this, I feel like the X Men is consistently one moving forward, a
storyline, one one, if that makes sense. Kind of it's kind of
like the difference where there's Avengers endgame where you have different constantly different timelines and
you can travel in time to different points of time, and when you change
something, it doesn't change your timeline, like them going back and Thanos coming
back from that timeline into our present. Timeline. It doesn't. It removes
Thanos from that timeline that will continue on, but it doesn't remove Thanos in
the future sure from this timeline because he just jumps over. Whereas when you
look at back to the future, for example, when you go back to
and you stop your parents from getting together at the under the Sea Dance,
then it just erases you. It changes the future. So that's the case
here, and I like that it's very just black and white linear for X
Men ninety seven and the previous show, So that's in this case. What
I'm trying to get at is with the team being in the past, them
now interacting with this pre apocalypse young Apocalypse character that's going to retroactively change the
future based on how we've seen Time Trouble work in the past on the original
X Men show and the same I imagine too, this will be interesting to
see how this dynamic works because we also have X Men in the future,
So how how is this going to there and so in the present. Yeah,
so how in each different instance they're doing different decisions, how is that
going to effect? Like is one character gonna like Xavier gonna wake up and
Beasts is gonna like throw him an apocalypse, and Apocalypse will like break his
back as I can affect the present. I'm just spitballing. I'm glad it's
five years later we're talking about endgame. Try time tra co back to that.
Yeah, yeah, I mean that sounds fun, but man, it
could also get messy and convoluted, So I'd be curious to see how they
do that, Like just in terms of, like in a thirty minute episode,
how do you convey that to us as the viewer, Like the one
timeline doing something and then it rippling out, But then maybe we don't see
that until like the second section of like the next episode or what. I
don't know. Maybe it's like just a three part or this whole like time
travel sequence or the different Egypt timelines going on there with Bishop trying to fix
all that. But yeah, that uh I didn't really get like overthink that
part, I guess, but yeah, you're right that there could be some
crazy stuff going on there. It should be fun. I think it's gonna
be okay because I think the past they're gonna realize that. Unfortunately, you
gotta let apocalypse become apocalypse. So whatever they want to try to talk to
ensnever about like it's not like then it's like, well then could that not
really Like that might not lead to the creation of the X Men or x
Y and Z or things could get worse. So I think, like the
n sober guy is gonna have a point where they could maybe change some things,
but no, he's still got to become Apocalypse. And yes, Kirklan,
he is the first Mune, so you gotta let that play out.
So I think that's why that's gonna be fine. I think the future it's
kind of okay because the future can always be changed, as Bishop showed,
so that could be you know, they could do one sort of mission with
Nathan here, But that doesn't mean it's gonna go for because as we saw
in the Diner, Nathan heard all these stories about his parents. Never interacted
with his parents right now, they never said in the future when they go,
oh, Nathan, they didn't say our son, So they might lie
to Nathan and not tell him that, you know, they're his parents for
X Y and Z, right, they might not want to share that information.
It might just be some Munes he deals with. But yeah, it's
interesting because both those are based off the Apocalypse. One is based off Rise
the Apocalypse, and then the future one is based off of the Adventures.
It's a four part mini series, The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix, which
she did tap into some Phoenix powers here. So I think she's gonna probably
pop off a bit more in season two. So and there's some other big
character in there that it's gonna be, uh, you'll see. I think
they're gonna do that arc. And there's some other big characters coming in that
future arc which will be fun to see. Even some hints in this episode,
so like new characters or reoccurring ones or not reoccurring ones that we've seen
before. Well, one is Nathan. One's like an alternate timeline Nathan.
Yeah, one's Nathan. But there's other characters in this timeline that our mother
is. Yeah, maybe someone in the Askani clan might be of note there.
But yeah, so I think the future is fine there. They get
do it in a way where Cable doesn't even know that's just his parents because
they might not even change anything, and Apocalypse they might not change anything.
Who knows what's happening with Storm and Wolverine a morph and the present day?
Who knows? We know Apocalypse is popping off there because it's uh, looks
like our boys coming back next year what he always is. Oh yeah,
I'm excited. I was gonna say, my, my, I would guess
that Beyonder is the one responsible for asteroid m the multi whatever happened asteroid disappearing
there and then all these people getting spat out different places, which would well,
for one reason, that's just makes sense that something Beyonder would do.
Could see Beyonder wanting to save these people because they are interesting to him for
some reason. But then also that ties back into the original series, even
if that wasn't something that was I don't know. It was explored like a
bit, but not tremendously right, So that's my prediction. Do you guys
have any other ideas of what actually happened to the asteroid here? No,
Beyonder's good because Bishop what is Bishop's line like something or someone time? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, Beyonder would be a good one. They've touched upon.
So I feel like that's the go to theory unless there's something to do
with Apocalypse because he's back. But I'm gonna say they're not the same situation,
and pocalyps is just taking advantage of this situation, and heck, maybe
that's what we talk about, what's happening in the six months while are gone.
Maybe pocalyps just gonna mess up the present time, like he's gonna just
go to town. So I think Beyonder is a good theory because I can't
think of anybody else right now that would feel unless it's the bashing route where
they're gonna introduce someone completely new in the X Men or Marvel Cannon, which
they could do, which because I was surprised at Bashing, but I as
far as known properties or people that have been around, I think Beyonder is
a good one. M h, No guesses I have no put my chips
on Beyonder. Yeah, I'll go with you beyond here. Another thing that
I found interesting with the time stuff is we've been questioning this whole time,
like is this forge the forge that we've seen before? And yeah, it
seems like this is like the forge that we're getting here is going to become
that forge they put I'm gonna be your friend one day they literally, yeah,
but yeah, he is to this point like this forge has no memory,
I guess, has no relation to the forge that we had in the
original series. In terms of knowing those events, I explained that very poorly,
But I think that's an interesting dynamic, and I'm actually very excited to
see Bishop and Forge in like the present day and get that dynamic. Now.
I was excited to see Bishop this season, and then he fucking disappeared
and had three and a half minutes of screen time, So that could happen
again. But if we're dealing with time travel, actual stuff characters in different
eras, I'm sure we're gonna actually get to use that character a bit more.
And Yeah, I'm excited to see that that friendship blossom, especially because
Forge is in like a really rough spot right now. The love of his
life has disappeared for six months and he's still just every day just working out
the computers, trying to figure out what's going on, and so I feel
like he's still in that very fragile state, which could be a great place
for them to bond. And yeah, who knows what the hell's going on
with Bishop, Like I don't even I don't know what his story is outside
of what I've seen in this series, because he's always just kind of more
of a plot device than he is like a personality driven character, so hopefully
we get a bit more of that with him and Forge next season. Well
let's take our next ad break and we'll keep breaking down the finale and we're
back. And the other thing too, is like where's Cable and all this?
It's been six months so it could be gone. But last time we
saw him, he's just sitting in a diner in New York somewhere, right,
So it's like, does he stick around? Does he go back to
his time? I don't know. There's like a lot of good open ended
things. Feels like the end of Fellowship of the Ring. You know where
all these characters are places, but it's like, hey, where are those
places? Is gonna end out how they get it all interlinked again? So
yeah, I'll be excited to see again. I would love because I think
I can't remember Bishop said him like, oh looking for new recruits again?
I would love that same thing. Did what's Nightcrawlers status? Is he another
missing one? He was in the ancient time? Right? He was right
because he talked, he had his be good Okay, so that's what answers
him. So again, I'd love it if we got like Forge and Bishops
X men, even if it's like a really rag tag they have no great
chemistry type of team. But it's just like the Expendable Suicide Squad. Well,
I mean we saw shadow Cat on there. I'd love to get kiddy
Pride in their icy Yeah, Emma Frost, Yeah, yeah, magic that's
how Yeah, that'd be great. So because yeah, and then on that
board it said for Cable he was a wall. Same thing with Jubilee,
and uh said, yeah the double check. So I can even believe though,
because they're all able. I could believe that those three are like on
some sort of mission together too, which I actually think a Jubilee and Cable
pairing could be tons of fun. I would love to see the dynamics of
especially too if Robbie and Jubilee are like in Big Love and Kalos like,
oh my god, just like a grumpy babysitter. Absolutely, yeah, I
think it'd be fantastic, you know, And I bounced over it. But
I really like the moment in the diner too, when that's Scott saying goodbye
for the first time he should have when he's a baby, and just giving
him just kind of who your parents are and why they're proud of them,
and Jeans officially accept like pretty much adopting him with her son. So I
thought that was really Yeah, yeah, that was a nice moment. So
I didn't like fully change and he's like, you got my eyes and they're
just like completely red. No, that was a touching scene for sure.
Yeah. Sorry, another question, So you're talking about that board you guys
mentioned Scarlett Witch Quicksilver off World. Yeah, what's what's going on there?
What do we any any quick theories on what's going on because that's that's a
very specific thing to call out. Yeah, and I thought we would have
saw them this season. We didn't, so I don't know what's going on
with that. That's they're looking for Magneto, maybe looking for their daddy.
There's a chance. My hope, head Cannon, is that the Avengers are
together, and they're with the Avengers right now off world doing some Avengers stuff
later. Yeah, I'm trying to head Cannon that this event caused the Avengers
to get together and my show that I'm pitching to Disney Plus, So they're
with Theirs right now, they do right so that if they are not,
that has to be answered next next season. I really think it will be
they'll get an episode. I really, even if it's just them looking for
their dad. I think scar Wich is a powerful enough character to save her
dad, Like she's a person that could find a poral and create something to
get them out of this time predicament, right, Like I really, yeah,
I'm just honestly very surprised. I think bodamael Is. The only character
that was off limits was Deadpool, which makes sense because the movie's coming out
and they want to do that. But I thought for sure these characters were
gonna be in much much more. So I feel like they had with that
because you just could put Missing there too. You're gonna put off world.
Off World feels very specific, so I feel like we might get some you
know, twin Central episode in the future. Actually you're mentioning there what they
have? Interesting thing. I think that makes even more sense with the off
World comment, because that would be like, oh, yeah, there's an
Avengers mission off world. That makes sense as like a confirmation of why that
is. But yeah, it is maybe strange that he doesn't have other Avengers
on that list, Like I guess it's just mutants, just the mutants.
Yeah, doesn't Sidy on that list. But yeah, I guess that makes
sense then, or maybe it's just like no like people, he's like map
knows of you know, like it's a who knows what's going for his life.
I'm sure he's helped. I mean, Morph did transform into Quicksilver at
some point. Yeah, Quicksilver is like a known and yeah, yeah Taylor,
you guys say something before. Yeah, well I was gonna mention something
if everyone, hopefully no one wants to continue on unless I detour? What
am I trying to say? Where? How hard are you? How hard?
Yeah? Okay, Well it's kind of the same realm. That's what
I wanted to talk about, because more he leaves, he's like, ah,
that's what makes this weird moan as he runs away. That's the last
we see of him. He has to scurry away, and they never stopped,
They never saw him. They just let him scurry ye here. Yeah,
I I still stay with where I was. It's kind of like the
make Needle thing where I think Jeane should just rip him the shred and I
just like, do we need him? Because we know what's gonna happen.
He's gonna get power, he's gonna come back. He's just like, join
the X Men people. I would love that, But like with Apocalypse coming
back, I could see like, and I love Cinnister, don't get me
wrong, but I just feel like with they didn't kill off they didn't kill
off Macneedle, they didn't kill off bash and I don't think Bashian's dead.
They didn't kill off Sinister. So it's just kind of like like, like,
are we gonna bring Sensor back again for something? Like I don't know,
because I obviously now officially the bandwag gets over. Malon Prior is definitely
fucking dead. They would have brought her back now, and she's called you're
right on that one. So Malon Price, even Bashan says like I'm gonna
give her a quick death. It was the first time someone actually said she
was dead, like I'm gonna execute this planet just as fast as I did
your mother, which was like, great fucking line. That's cold. That
was the first time anyone actually had admitted she was dead. So I just
feel like, but Prior dead, Cable's gone, Like I thought this was
a tough Like I don't know. I I it was a funny moment,
but they should have just killed Sinister. I think it would have been a
good send off for this character finally, but now he's still He's out there
and he'll be back. He'll probably be back next year at the Pacas with
some sort of fucking plan. So he's gonna outlive apocalypse of this absolutely.
Absolutely, they're gonna pump it too in the future Cyclops and Phoenix with the
little Nathan back. Oh and here's my uncle. Aha, He's gonna be
there. He's kind of one of those, as I was mentioned in my
opening thoughts at the start of the episode, in terms of the first half
of the season and just the different dynamic. They're like, he peaked in
whatever that episode was with the Goblin Queen three. Yeah, and that's too
bad. Like, I mean, that's an amazing episode. It's hard to
top that in any means. But I feel like they didn't even really try
that much with him. In the end. It makes sense, you know,
you like you're setting up Bashan as the new exciting villain. He's the
big beat of the season. I get it. But I am a little
disappointed with Sinister now that now that the season's done, and like this Arc
two is kind of complete and I just felt we were like the dynamic you
had with Bastian was a bit strange, where the Sinastors like, oh,
you you promised me Cable. I was I was gonna get him as a
prize and he's like, oh, I gotta make a I gotta make an
example out of him. And I don't know, I feel like that dynamic
two like that, those two butting heads with all like two or three lines
of dialogue and this whole season of them butting heads like they Yeah, it
was a weird duo that I think didn't end up landing as much as it
could have, especially because I get why they did it, because they want
the high Bastion. But all the talk was, oh, Sinistor's the main
villain that's go around, and that's where it's like always gonna like Cinisor's always
been a main bag guy here in there, but it feels like there is
always a bigger threat, right, And that's where it's like, Oh,
finally they're gonna get this. Like it reminds me a lot of probably you
guys won't understand this, but when they made the Arkham Origin Games, it
was the prequel to the Arkham trilogy and They're like, everyone's very excited black
Masks was gonna be the main villain. I was excited, it's not the
Joker, something different. Then the big reveal was black Masks was like it
was just Joker under the black mask, and then the Joker takes over.
You're like, oh, like I like Joker, but like we have had
nothing. And that's what this feels like, where it's like they were making
up they they used him as a red herring to make us think Sinister was
gonna be that even if he wasn't, Like to your point, then just
give him some more excitement. But it felt like the second Bashing got introduced,
he took a massive step back, And I guess maybe that's why they
don't want to kill him, because they use him. But I just,
yeah, I am a I can't say this. It's tough. It's like
the Wolverine thing with people that complain all the way and didn't get enough Wolverine.
There's so many episodes of Sinister, but I guess I just wish he
was in there a little bit more. So I'm not hugely disappointed, but
like there's quality of the writing that's maybe not there for I did at least
love the moment of Gene ripping the DNA out of all I thought that was
just iconic, Like I'm gonna remember that one. That was sweet. It's
good he was he was definitely getting I mean, he's done some very horrible
things, but he definitely was getting the short end of the stick in this
deal because Bashi was gonna blow Cable's brains out, and he's like, we
have any Apocalypse too. He's not very good at making deals. He's not
definitely not I don't respect him. He can't fight. He always he's making
deals with people. He cannot get the upbring. He's not beat Bash.
She's not gonna beat Apocalypse like, which is why he's such a fun villain.
That he's just like kind of a goofball. I know he doesn't like
gain this respect from the other super villains. They just see him as like,
as lesser than for whatever reason. Yeah, next time we see him,
do we see him all pretty or do you think we might get one
more time of him looking like the galm. I think he's Gollum sinister.
I think he'll just yeah, I think he'll cover himself up in something.
He'll like a baron Zimo or something. I'll have like a hood over his
head or we won't really see him and he won't want to show it off.
He's very much about the vanity apparently, which makes sense. He is
a very like his his his gown, the way it flows, like even
in the flashback episode in the last season of him with his glasses and stuff
like he Yeah, he pays a lot of attention to his style. Him
running away talking like don't look at me. That's way more the current Sinistor,
Like there's a Sinistor like when the met gala, there's a sinister like
god, what is it the the hell Fire Club gala, and he's always
showing up very scrapping like they make him there. He's much more I won't
say, like a Taiko Wa TD type, but there's is of that in
the newer Sinister and that fits with him wanting to look very particular. So
I did like that. So I like a Visa cane down the sewer at
the new Warlocks, you know, that's where I want to see him,
like the way he looks like that, that's what I picture for give me
the new leader now that Calisto's dead, and yeah, yeah, for a
leech. He'sack at least at least for the greater good. Right, Magnetot
is still alive. So what I want to say about that whole situation,
Yeah, Cable, they took the jewel out of said yet we touched upon
this at the beginning. My disappointment with this is last week you had Robbie
and Rogue turn on the X Men and fight against the X Men. You
had Cyclops literally shoot Xavier, not one mention of any of that. This
episode, they are just back to team together and at one point Cyclops like
everything's going to shoot. He say, yeah, everything's Magneto's fall. It's
like, dude, you fucking like you you shot and made this keep going.
Like I just felt like what I said to my nonsploors. There was
a scene or an episode where they all talked out or something. It just
felt weird that they never even mentioned, like last episode Jubilee and Robbie were
fighting, and they don't talk about that. Robbie said something like oh,
like he insinuates he's not good at fighting, so he's probably gonna die,
and she just shoots him a smile and Rogue just calls him Romeo. But
like he doesn't even apologize for like I'm sorry what I did back, like
Rogue doesn't. Cyclops never even says sorry to Charles. Like I just felt
like this whole huge moment, unfortunately, it felt like they did it just
so they could do the Wolverine Adaman can Thin because it's such a big comic
thing. So I felt like for such a big moment, the follow up
was not there for any of it. It just felt like Cyclops like got
away with one, like the fact and this is again they could talk about
next season, so maybe. But and I get that the world's crashing down,
so I completely understand that. It just felt very odd that for these
big moments, big turn it was resolved very quickly, and it's something that
hurts my score, and if it doesn't get picked up in the second season,
the score is always gonna remain my way, because I just thought it
was very great stuff. But they just they just I felt like they just
won big moments last week and then they went, ah, whatever, let's
just uh, you know, we're back together, right, yeah, cool,
let's not talk about any of that stuff, because like I Cyclops choosing
Magnet or helping me, you know from what should be something that should be
a really I don't know, I think breaking point for Charles and his relationship,
but really wasn't you know? It seems fine? So I was disappointed
by the fall up on all that stuff with the X Men. Yeah,
no, I totally agree with you if it felt like that should have been
a multi part Yes, amongst the multi part if we have like Tolerance's extinction,
you know, three parts or a three part episode and then you have
like a two parter in between it or something, because it should feel a
lot more significant than it is, because it was a really big moment in
that episode, but the follow up should also be equally as important, and
we just don't have time to really like sit with it. Like I I,
I wouldn't really take anything out of this episode, I think to squeeze
that in. Like I think what you said there about this feeling like an
episode eleven where we kind of missed it on episode ten is entirely accurate,
because you just you just don't have room to squeeze that in. And it's
unfortunate because it is a really big moment that should have you know, it's
it's proper screen time to try I take out some of that Charles and Eric
stuff I think they got. I think fucking loved all that stuff I did,
But interested need to be that long, Like at least give us two
minutes of Charles and Cyclous talking, you know. Just but yeah, I
mean I didn't really talk about that moment when you were talking about those characters,
but like just that particular it's like they're in like a limbo type situation
where like they're they're trapped in the scene. I've also probably seen that done
in like other movies or TV shows too, right, Yeah, certain characters
are just trapped somewhere and then you have just like the symbolism of like the
flood coming in and it's just like taking them together and it's just the stormy
weather outside, but they're still in that bar that they were like contained in
that That's just like that one scene is just so it's just so much more
than what Saturday Morning cartoons are like. In my mind, That's what makes
me think the show is just a whole another caliber as to what that original
show is. That original show is great, but no, I I loved
all those moments. I love that it wasn't just one quick moment like we
kind of we were there, bounced to some other characters and then bounce back
to that to that just that moment and when the water was taking them and
Charles is just wanting to like he's trying to comfort Magneto as much as you
can. I absolutely love that that whole sequence. But yeah, we can
jump back to what we were talking about before. What were we talking about
before Cyclops? Yea, No, I'm I'm with you on wanting to see
a bit more resolution with some of that stuff. I mean, the the
Jubilee Robbie stuff. I kinda, like I said last week, I'm like,
I don't think we're gonna successfully Lands when, like I think Jubilee is
a character, I mean, not even by the end of the original series,
like she she was up there really one of my favorites, like a
really fun character, and I think the season she was really fun as well.
But I think the Robbie stuff didn't end up working quite as much.
So I don't know. Maybe they're set up for some good stuff considering that
they're in the present day and there's not many other characters who're gonna get a
lot more of that, But yeah, there wasn't a ton to be had
there. I don't know. I don't think I've much else to say on
that. I think I don't want to jump like some bashion stuff if you
guys want to bashi bashi for move on. I mean, I just feel
like there was a lot of stuff that wasn't resolved properly. So I'm kind
of in the same boat as you guys. The I laughed at the moment
Sunspot has this clash with bash It like I thought, visually it looked great,
especially if we go to Earth and you just see like the big sun
Spotsm's going off and the humans are just like, oh no, I just
love it. Bashian's like he's like basically just shit talking Sunspot talk about like
his mother and like just be like turned away, and I'm like, Sunspots
just feels like such a like an ant compared to like Bashian, Like Bashian's
like clashing with like the Summers Charles Magneto, and then you just have sun
Spot and he just he's so like it's like he's done his research on every
enemy or like like in every single X Men exactly. He just knows all
the details of his mother and the politics and how that affects Sunspot. But
so and I guess it does make sense because he is like a robot,
so I guess that that knowledge is just there right away. But I just
found it funny that they're dialogued. It seemed like it should have been like
a like a Charles Magneto type moment. But I'm like, Bashan and Sunspot
like really, like, these are not rivals in my are now? That's
that are now season three of ninety seven. They're gonna be going at it
and to me my, which is funny because you could have played up something
with like they're both rocky relationships with their mother, right, But again because
they just didn't spend enough time with Robbie as a character, like there's potential
there and hopefully that happens in season two. But again, like other than
one person, no one died and that person's coming back, so it's like
the roster's not gotten any smaller. So I do think they got to they
gotta watch that. I think they got to kill someone, Like not as
much as I love Wolverine, but like if you're telling me, hey,
we're gonna kill Wolverine off, it's like, yeah, that's fine because there's
a lot of stuff that needs to be talked about. But at least Bashion
looked cool. You got your wish man. I told you you just had
to wait, Like I said, just wait for the finale fight and Eve
he popped off. He got a lot of upgrades. He took Cable's arm,
just attached it to him. He was cool. He was looking great
and very scary, very psychotic. So all that stuff for me was great
at bashing that like first Inception episode when you know, I wasn't liking the
look of him, and then that's when I was looking up the wings and
of course Trial was like, just wait, you're gonna get it. It's
gonna happen. What we actually got was so much cooler than that other concept
that I saw, So iuck, I ate all that up. I thought
him, yeah, ripping Cable's arm off and just turn it into himself.
And like even before that, when he has like the headband on that Nicks
throws on him and he's just there's an aura about him. You just feel
so endgame boss. And I'm not saying endgame Avengers, just like this is
the final boss and it felt like that there's multi stages to the to the
fight, you know, like a good video game. Yeah, yeah,
no, I I just loved how we're going back from the surface of Earth
up to Astroid m Like back and forth, back and forth, back and
forth. That was. That was such a fun fight. And I mean,
Rogue is just such a badass. She's so strong, so powerful,
just like tossing him around, tossing him back down to Earth and throwing him
around, getting that fight, and that that place that they were at when
it was like her sun spot and bashed and like, I swear that was
a location from the original series, and like, I can't remember what it
was, but it seemed like a I seem to remember that location, so
I'd have to they thought something big there. I thought there was I thought
that was apocalypses, like could on the Moon. Yeah, right, because
it looked like a statue of him unless I'm really out to lunch. That's
just as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, yeah,
this is a part. There was a statue. Yeah. I can't
I can't remember what the sequence was to the episode or even the season.
It'll be hard for me to dig that one out. But it seemed like
a throwback to some extent, but either way, it was a cool battlefield.
But yeah, Rogue is just so so cool. Yeah, once again,
did not see, did not expect sun Spot to come save the day
and then just once again like the team battle up when they're finally take him
out at the very end with Psyclops just going like Omega level mode. All
the team comb was going on there, as we mentioned with Jubilee, and
then of course like the classic X Men of not going for the killing blow
but just trying to extend that olive branch and let him kind of, I
just put all of it in front of him so that he can like redeem
himself and he can be a good guy at the end of it. And
he ends up blowing up, but in a way that's like, Okay,
he could easily come back if they want to, because and he was reaching
out when he blew up though, because Scott offered him. That's what I
mean. Yeah, he was going for it. And yeah, I mean
obviously with the asteroid teleporting to who knows where in time and play who knows
who knows where he is, But I'm sure he's still out there and they
can play with him in the future if they want to. Yeah, he's
with Cable Jubilee and uh yeah it's the worst quad ever. Yeah. I
did like to that. The star of the Rogue fight she said his name
was Gamit, remember, and then clocked him. So she did the wholt
clap on him too, like right in his face, hold butt at him.
Yeah. I oh, man, I love having Rogue really pop off
here because I don't know, she had her moments, and I feel like
she's had more like character moments probably that she's had all the other show,
but all the other show, all you know, the previous X Men cartoon.
But it just to really have her pop off like that, it's like,
oh yeah, no, she's She's still like the strongest X Men,
uh physicality wise, at least morph mister Fantastic. I thought that was fun.
I mean, he could have just I guess morphed into someone who flies,
but that was a lot more stylish to go in mister Fantastic. So
I like that because that was another one of those series that had one of
those animated shows in the probably in the nineties, I would assume too.
So I did. There's an episode Taylor, you gotta watch that Ghostwriter beats
Galactus, So I do Jesus that every time Morph does that, it's always
throwing me for a loop because I was like, when the fuck did mister
Fantastic? So TAM's watched that. So six in the morning, Justice Shore
as a Rock is covered in chills already, but then the chills go away
because it's not mister Fantastic. Oh, it's just just Morph, which because
I don't want to forget. I don't want to forget. Morph is like
if they don't put Logan and Jean together next season, which they're not gonna
now because they're all split up. Like, that's definitely I know he's there
helping Logan by turning into Gene and saying, oh, I love you,
but that's also more of saying that too, you know. I feel like,
So I don't think the Bolt Show will be bold enough to go I
did not set that up this season. I feel like that was definitely very
intentional with the romance angle with them, and I feel like there was yeah
a lot implied as well. So I'm I'm down for it. I'd love
to see that. I love it too. I hope they go that route.
I don't think they'll be bold enough to do it. They've done it
done. Like imagine watching episode one in the original run and then making that
prediction one day they're going to be shipped in that. Yeah, that'd be
crazy after especially more fun they get, like the big eyes and everything.
But yeah, Logan did say more solo we can make him laugh, right,
So it's been there. It's been there since the beginning, so very
true. More all specifically, I know we got the ending, but I
think my only other note was a post credit there. I think there was
two different versions of the X Men intro that didn't in it. It was
pretty subtle. There was, of course, I didn't write down the specific
moments that they happened in. I think it was at the end and then
okay, there's like an operatic version of the theme, and it's when they're
all trying to make as m stay ups the storms out there. They're all
like putting play your rock meme. That that one dude, chill scosh,
that was like, that was so good. And I can't remember if it
was that one or the or the second one that happened later on the episode,
but it had like a bit of the like that's you know, I
just think Halo theme, Like I'm pretty sure it happens earlier on too.
It's not the X Men version, but there's just some of that like Halo
isms to it, and god, that's I fucking love that theme. That's
gotta be one of my favorite themes of all time. When you have so
Scott does his stare down with Bashan, Bashan does the black bull mouth thing
and then whatever the fun we call it the phaser through the mouth beam and
then it's a black bull does I could be wrong, black bull just opens
his mouth, right, but did he shoot beams? No? I think
yeah, right, okay, never mind, it's a purple effect and uh
and then and the Scott counters and and he does the epic line of you'll
never hurt my family again, and that was really intense. But then it's
followed by a scream and not just like a big exclaim or like a like
a meaty yell, like he actually screams. And my subtitl said scream and
the audio just made me laugh so hard because it's not the audio effect that
I was expecting. It's literally like, you'll never hurt my family again.
It sounds like he's dying, like like it's it's I don't know, it's
just not where it's amazing. That one got me really good. And then
I wanted to shout out the genetic infear again my nickname here, but just
when Magnus is talking about you know, Charles always wanted to help out the
inferiors. But yeah, fuck, I love those moments and all all of
those one on one moments actually, like not when they're in the the Psyche
of Magneto, but well I guess they are in the Psyche of Magnieto.
That that's the whole point of the bar sequence. But when you just get
more of the history of what Magneto really went through to become where he is.
And I think it's again when Charles is kind of just trying to reel
him back and like have him remember you know, like you don't remember your
family because you were so young when you lost them, and you just kind
of hear like soldiers boots and stuff like going on his mind. It's just
such a fantastic set, like I think reasoning for that character to have the
motivations that he has to like just see the worst in people, because he's
really gone through that and just such a well made character. Man, Just
Magneto is so good. I'm glad he's not dead, just that we get
more of him, even though that would have been like a big consequence moment.
Cut to next year in the penultimate fisode and he's like fucked the humans
again, and you're like, oh, I'm glad he's here. It's like,
you'll never hurt my friends again. I'm gonna put the metal back of
the logan this time. What would be worse getting that thrown on you or
removed? I think they're removed because it's just rip, like the ripping off,
Like it would have to be the exact same, like, right,
you have to rip through the skin to get back on. Yeah, there's
just something though, but like I think being put on the bones the skin,
you're right, but the bones part. I think being ripped off the
bones versus just putting back in place, because that's harder to get right too.
Like he's good with metal, but to like make all those pieces fit
perfectly. Good luck where it's ripping it off. I mean, it's likely
one way out we needed to see this episode, so it'll be interesting if
he gets those bone claws. If they should go that route, I imagine.
I don't think they're gonna say, oh, he just says adamantium.
But that'll be fun. I guarantee you'll get them the trailer for that shit
season when they could do it, so claws is rid. No, No,
let's see the only thing is there anything we have about other than the
end credit here? No, well, we got to see which I was
surprised we didn't get anything credits the whole season. I was surprised because we
got to see, like, oh god, we got Apocalypse Evan Sinner.
It's I can't fucking remember how I'm screwing up his name now, Evan Sinner.
No, I think I'm not. I don't know. It's been a
while. What are you talking about? Apocalypse is like name, his name
isn't Apocalypse was seven? Thank you? So anyway, so get that,
and then that's why I did not think the end credit would be. I
was completely on the bandwagon, where Okay, it's giving Onslaught. You know,
they're setting up all this stuff with Bastian Magneto's still live, X Savior
still Live, all this stuff, But no Onslaught, not even hint at
in this episode or the season, so we'll see what happens. But uh,
we go back to the Genocius Genosa, not Genocious Genosa. There's a
flag, there's a guy cloaked and like, okay, this is again.
I was surprised because we just saw him, but this is the present day.
And then he has a bunch of rubble in his hand and he's like,
oh, so much death And we go up and it's big old Apocalypse,
the big old like I said, blue Booty Daddy. But then they
go down on his hand. The rubbel brushes away and it's Gambits card and
like we talked about a couple of weeks ago, that's how they bring him
back. And I'm completely one harm recent fine with that. The time travel
I would not beIN for. But this is still gonna be he did the
sacrifice. We're gonna get that cool moment when Rogue and the X Men gonna
fight Gambit and it's gonna be badass. Now they could also do I don't
think they're going to, but there is a comic book where Wolverine becomes a
member of the Apocalypse because he wants his metal back, So there could be
when we talk about where's Wolverine, there could be seen more on the side
before so yeah too, so yeah, But either way, I'm happy Gambits
coming back in this fashion. I still wouldn't find if he said help,
he's dead. That's the way it is. But if they're gonna bring him
back, I'm fine with him gonna do a little evil arc and I don't
know, maybe we'll do some stuff like because he died, his skin cells
are dead so he can touch rogue like that. Like maybe they'll do some
sort of fucker like that. But I'm very excited to see him as the
the death horseman. I'm i the comics. It's a little may have a
run, but I think they'll do a good job here. And but yeah,
what do you guys think about one apocalypse obviously big bad so kind of
like since the returning but new set of writers everything, and then Gambits presumably
on his way back, but on on the bad side this time. I
think, I'm I don't know, I gotta see it. Of course they
can nail it, but I like consequences and I don't love Gambit comes back.
Now I understand this is a different way and that would be very dramatic.
But I kind of like where this leaves off with Rogue, and so
I don't know if we kind of just retried our ground now it sounds like
we're gonna go through quite the battle to get there. Yeah, so I'm
sure it will all work out in the end, but I don't know.
I think, especially with you, you said too like we got enough people
on the team right now. We didn't like Beast, you know, had
like four scenes in this season, and Wolverine didn't get to do much.
But that's fine because Wolverine was like the star of the original series. So
I think it's fine. But yeah, I don't know, Like I don't
I don't think we need to add more people back, and I think it's
good to lose people and have that be the case for longer than I don't
know, three episodes. We'll see how long it takes for him to come
back. But in theory, I'm not not a huge fan of It doesn't
excite me too much, but apoclipse does. I'm excited to see what he's
up to. It's always fun to see Apocalypse Ben a while, because season
five he wasn't really in it. He there's an episode, but it's just
him trying to get out and he never got out. So now he's out.
Mm hmm, well he could get out. He was just he was
being resurrected, right. The dude fell like fell back on Apocalypse is like,
oh perfect, I'm back master, so sorry, actually says a question
like, is that what's gonna happen? He probably is that he's gonna resurrect
Gambit's corpse. Yeah, and he's gonna be deaf. That's usual what he
does and gives them something. So yeah, he's gonna pull Gammon out of
the ground and just hey, maybe that's what we get prior to Maybe my
prior theory is gonna you know, it's gonna happen. Very possible, actually
very possible, And he is. But I'm said that I don't think I
don't think it will be prior. I think that that storyline will be done
for I think Wolverine has a shot because he'll there'll be some scene where he
goes to fight like a Sentinel and he can't beat them with his metal his
bone claws. I'm such a loser now and I hate my life, and
they just cries and runs away. Like he might run. I don't know
if it's gonna cry, but like I could see them doing that storyline where
he's just like I'm useless now, So I could see me coming a member
of the pop. I don't know who. I should look it up.
Who else the other members were when it seems like so unloganlike though, like
he wants the nerve or he doesn't want the nerve. He's got the nerve.
He wants the buff of the metal clause, but to just side with
Apocalypse to get that. Maybe I just don't know him well enough, but
from what I've been shown, it just seems so unlopen, like you guy
seeing that happened after a few decades and then they're like we're out of ideas.
That's it now. I hate it's so short. Yeah. The only
thing though, when he was at Apocalyps member, he was a member.
He was death. So I don't know if you'd have because I think GAM's
gonna be death, so probably not there. I guess they could always change
some things, but he had some What makes you think Gambit's gonna be death
because he literally said death. He said so much death here and he's holding
gambits. Card, I feel like that's as foreshadowing as you can get there.
But like, if you look at I'm trying to find a full screen
image here of Wolverine, he's just holding the card. He's like so much
disease. He's only my leech's head. But yeah, that was Wolverine,
he said. I actually loved the look of Wolverine there he has that I
don't know where it's taken me here, but that one right there, Yeah,
that's that's the Wolverine one right there. I really like that that look.
He's got the chastity belt on too. Yeah, but I was trying
to find I was trying to find who else was on the team with them.
I found it like this one right here, But that's not uh so
I'll do some more. I'll do some more digging and stuff. But yeah,
like but this is how they hit him at first. That's just like
that's just a yugo Card, I love it. Yeah, And then I
will take a where's a gambit here, Chad saying Hulk Clausus Juggernaut, Oh
oh, thank you, so Hull Clauses And that was a fucking stacked horseman
Hull classes Juggernaut and Wolverna with Apocallipse and he didn't bring the apocalypse my god.
Yeah, yeah, how do they lose that fight? They really suck.
But uh and then yeah, here's Gambit. He's he's seem sick.
Yeah, so I think we're gonna get that white hair like look at that
that that's like put a red lightsaber in this man's hand and he's only the
blue VERSI I'm gonna be honest. I do like the I do like that
other image though. Yeah, but and I don't know, Chad, if
you know who was the can you tell me who the members were when Gambit
was on there? Because that's looking like that. Well that oh that's Central
Practice on the left. Yeah, so just curious, like that's and thanos
A wat to how did he lose that time? Yeah, I couldn't see
anything and so I needed it. But uh so, yeah, it's probably
not gonna be Wolverine. But that's another fun thing. We told who the
X Men is, who will be those other horsemen? Could it be other
members of the people that did die at Genosha? Yeah, I think that
would be really cool if they went there out instead of just the nameless for
that they had before, and they had fun looks, but they never had
personalities and that original run, so I think that would be fun if they
made them all relevant characters and there's been a few deaths now and we have
a fuel to do that kind of thing. Yeah, Travis, because you
just said, I had to look it up. So the area of the
moon, it was the blue area of the Moon. I'll think that's what
was titled. And there's some crazy stuff that's gone in there I won't reveal
for some fun purposes, but that's where they fought Dark Phoenix apparently or ex
Heroes. Also contains the Citadel of Uatu, so there you go. Sorry,
the is that the reno you're talking about earlier? Yeah, like where
Rogue was fighting. Okay, so the people that he had on the Apocalypse
for when Gamut was there with Sunfire Polaris, which will Magneil's daughter, so
you could always have something there. And then Gazers cousin as I look up,
I don't think he's related to spell the same though, like she A
Z E R. He's like an alien look on mother fun with like hyphen
though or no no hyphen Okay, Yeah, different relatives. Okay, so
not as spicy of a roster, definitely not. No, Like, I
guess you could do this roster minus hal, Like, who would you swap
out? Let's say you got Gambit, Colosses, Juggernaut. Who would be
a good Hulk replacement Red Hulk? No, I'm trying to think of another
X Man scar, Blob, she Hulk? Who the scar? Oh that
scar the son of Hulk? Come on? Who else died? Who else
can we use? Leech? Leech? I just think prior. What's that
one nerdy kid that got in one of the later seasons of the animated show
X Men Rogues ex boyfriend? No, you have the glasses and oh that
dweeby guy. Yeah, the wee guy. They got Juggernauts powers. Yeah,
you know, to get girls throw Dazzler on the Apocalypse. See what
like her singing powers are with the Horseman powers? Hell, yeah, that'd
be fun. We get Songbird. Yeah, there you go. Yeah,
I'm excited. I'm excited to see that new version. I'm excited to see
because I think these writers handle all these villains pretty well, like I have
some conc here in there, but to see what they do with the Pocalypse,
especially after so many seasons of what he's done? What can they do?
So yeah, no, I was hyped on that card reveal because you
know, I was in such disbelief that Gambit was actually gonna die. I
really thought he was just going to come back this season. But no,
they did a good job at sticking to their guns, and I think it's
one of those things that Okay, they kept away for one season, but
like, he's got to come back in one way, shape or form,
and I'm glad the way that we're getting him back is through Apocalypse as as
opposed to, like, you know, our heroes going back in time to
stop the whole event. I found he's just there, didn't die anything else.
Any other notes, You look like you're creeping the mic. Did you
have any more say on Gambit? Did I cut you off the I think
that you know why, you could stew on it a little bit longer and
really just leave him on the back burner being dead. There's nothing wrong with
that. I don't think you necessarily need to rush to bring him back because
he just had such an impactful death in this in the season. So I'm
absolutely not a post just kind of keeping him away, bring them back in
like season three or something like that, and just give us like the time
just to focus on what's going on now at the present. But that being
said, I'm totally welcome to see him come back and see if he is
actually this this one of the four horsemen working for the Gona sell toys.
They're gonna sell those Gambit white hair toys. I'm telling you, you're gonna
yeah, yeah, I'm I'm I'm ecstatic for it. I think that'll look
look cool. I mean, either way, like I said, I'll be
happy this shows. This show has just been fantastic. Well, Taylor,
what would you give this episode for thumbs and then what would you give the
entire season for raining? I'm gonna slide both my thumbs right up there and
then raw dog them. This this show has been fantastic. I think the
best thing in the world was that we did this red show because X Men
is just great. I love x Men. It's a fantastic show. We've
come. I was like, yeah, how far we've come. So I
think that they did great things in this season, which just it feels like
I wasn't there in those those young adolescent days when the community was really rallying
and watching every weekend morning the X Men ninety cent or x Men, the
original animated series, So I didn't get to enjoy that feeling. But I
understand watching this show how people that grew up watching that original show have just
been embracing this and feel like, Okay, this is such a great continuation.
I can feel all those nostalgic vibes again, and it's just I'm happy
that I can kind of piggyback a little bit on that, because if this
hype level stays consistent and we get more of this into other animated shows as
well, then I just it gets me really really jazz. So I hope
that they don't drop the ball. This has been great, Loki has been
great, and I'm hoping the Deadpool No Deadpool is great year. But I
honestly I forget about Echo quite often. It's it's just tracked someone with those
in that show. He tried to, he tried to tried, I guess
coming on to I goought i'd be more excited, especially the use of like
using practical magic and not a lot of CI magics, all card tricks that
they say, yeah, that's what that's I kid you don't. They also
lied about the title like seven times, so it's all I don't believe anything.
What's your number nine on the season together? If you want to drop
one, Oh, I'm dropping, it's a ten. I'm dropping it's a
ten. There you go. Chris found thoughts thumbs No, I mean,
yeah, there's there's so much that happened in this season. I think,
you know, maybe the biggest thing for me is that through that old original
series and honestly any live action thing, all my history of being into Marvel
stuff, Scott and Jane, I don't care about these characters. They're kind
of lame. I love them. I think they did such a good job
in this series of you know, infusing so much personality into them, seeing
different angles of them, getting more into the backstory, learning a lot more
about them, and then just seeing them pop off with power, with their
powers and the way I've never seen before too. So I think that's maybe
like the one thing that I'm most grateful for from this show. But overall,
it was such a good time thinking back some of those earlier episodes and
the crazy stuff we got getting my boy Mojo in there. Rowe continues to
be my favorite character. She's so fun. Bashian was a really really fun
villain, you know up there. If we did a ranking, you know,
for all this this X Men series, he would probably be like a
top five villain for me, maybe across the whole thing. I had a
really great time with the show. I'm gonna give this episode the double thumbs
for sure. I think I'm gonna go with a nine point three seven five
for my overall series ranking. It's not ten, it's not quite a nine
point five, but it's really really great, really really solid great stuff.
Anyone would be happy to get a score like that. So there you go,
mister Pats, mister me. Yeah, I think that this episode is
a solid two thumbs in the up direction. No, it was fantastic.
I mediocre steaming pilot in the air. No, yeah, this show is
fantastic. Not quite perfect, but like better than a nine point five in
my mind. So I'm gonna go nine point eight seven five. I think.
Oh I still okay. I inspired by Dylan with that one. I
know that's gonna funk you with you know, let's get funky with it.
No, I like it's just I feel like the highs were so skyrocketed past
asteroid m level of highs like it it is way up there, and some
minor things like I mean I didn't really talk about it, but like personally,
I feel like the whole Storm thing was like pretty underwhelming. Like she
had some cool moments I guess when she came back, which but when she
came back, like she's already kind of hit the fan, and like she
has a couple pop ups there, she's just there to look cool with her
new outfit, and she does look great, you know, my beautiful Storm.
But yeah, Storm, I'm exciting. I'm hoping for some more moments
with her, I think in the next season, but like they also kind
of set an episode or two aside just for her, and I kind of
think that was a little bit underwhelming, And like some some other minor things
like what we already talked about with the team breaking up and how the fallout
didn't seem quite as severe as it should have been. But like, yeah,
those are some gripes, but like everything around it was still really well
done. It's more so I just wanted more of what was done there.
And yeah, no, I such a fantastic it's wild to me, Like
I was hoping that the show would be really great just because we're coming out
the retro. But this is just so much better than I could have expected.
And they really really really just up the caliber. You know, they're
shooting us with little pea shooters. Now we're getting hit with the fifty calibers
and I'm just I'm taking it right through the body and it's it's good,
good pain. Oh. I already drummer, right, and there you going
some five there you go. Yeah, I'm gonna go a thumb and a
seventy five degree thumb up because I do some issues with the finale and I'm
gonna go kind of similar to you guys, and you know, not just
because the show, but in honor of the show kind of works. I'm
gonna give it a nine point seventy five. So this is definitely better than
I thought was. Like, I love the original show, but when we
rewatch it, there's obviously some lulls that happen, right, But this was
just more mature than I thought it was ever, gonna be way more deeper
than I thought it was gonna be. So as somebody that just even years
ago when they announced it, I remember when we did were there at comic
Connor No. I guess this was just a random D twenty three, like
they now on a timeline or something. But I just remember, man,
I never thought we'd get more X men. I've watched it I don't know
how many times because me and Gwen, especially now that Gwen is you know,
once she came in the picture. Now of the other girls like that
inspirement. They're usually on rotation like every year and a half or so.
So the fact that that's happened is this good is great because like there could
have been some they could have got far at least on nostalgia that would have
got them a little bit, but they didn't. They used that, but
they didn't just rely on that, you know. They they sprinkle it in
at the key moments. But they also created something entirely new in some functions.
I think, as we've talked about before, there's minor gripes that I
have. If my enjoyment level is like a ten, but my critical I
can't just give a full thing because I have a few character moments for Choices.
I have a few character moments for Beast Robbie. Yet you maybe even
storm a little bit Bishop as far as Okay, maybe a slight being underwhelmed,
but overall, I'm not gonna look back at this show of like my
like the nine points. If I'm gonna be like, man, it should
have been a ten like in this finale. I'm a little disappointed in some
aspects, but just because we're breaking it down. When I'm gonna look back
on this, it's gonna be a major win. And I hope we get
many seasons of X Men. I hope this inspires all the other X Men
stuff in general or Marvel stuff just to look at this, and same thing
with the X Men, like it's, uh, I don't have to worry
about the GA, but for me, it's like now the bar is set,
and uh. I'm not gonna say I'm worried for the mcux men,
but I am slightly because I just look at this. I go, man,
I don't know. I just hope that they can be as mature as
this show is, you know, like kids. My kids are watching this
and there's definitely some dark stuff, but they can still enjoy it. Why
I enjoy you know, it's like the Pixar when it's at that's best thing,
you know, So we'll see. But yeah, just a triumph for
Disney. And because this could have gone wrong, it could have been man,
they brought back X Men and it really sucked and they should have just
left it where it was, but no, they practically hit out of the
park. And I'm looking very forward to season two. I'm just very thankful
this thing exists. And I you know, like we talked about, you
know, Morph telling wolver and hey, that could be your soulmate telling little
Travis, you know years later. Man, like you're gonna get this great
show that's ten episodes and all this stuff, and h yeah, it's a
it's a full circle. But yeah, it's sad that we're done Alvisos.
We got other X Men stuff coming up, but this is such a journey
and now it's just like it's gonna be all on the back burner, hidden
away for a while. But we'll be here. We'll be ready when that
theme hits, when we got a trailer announcement, we will be here reviewing
all that. Thank you to everyone that checked out all these episodes, because
animation is always a little iffy as far as hell well it does, and
they all did pretty well. So the big thank you to everyone that's been
with us whole time. Any questions with theories bring them up. Of course
the newscast we could talk about them. But yes, until next I'm it
will not be boring. Bye. Really no, I don't know