1 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,760 And we're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm at Kittle, 2 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:28,519 Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist, and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest 3 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,880 for Knowledge. As always, you can email the show at radio at the 4 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,799 Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, make sure to 5 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,280 subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of course to the premium version of 6 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,039 our website as well. I'm joined today by the great Mark Hemingway, the 7 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:55,359 Federalist known Mark Hemingway, offering a little perspective on what it's like to be 8 00:00:55,479 --> 00:01:00,880 at the Republican National Convention and what a week it's been. And it's hard 9 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:07,159 to believe, Mark, that it was just Saturday we experienced this nation experienced 10 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,640 what it did, a threat, a real and present danger threat against the 11 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,760 President of the United States, an assassination attempt. Of course, the accomplished 12 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,680 media had a tough time saying that for the first twenty four or forty eight 13 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:25,599 hours or so. But I think this convention, wouldn't you agree in Milwaukee 14 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:32,000 has that aura about it. And that aura has a lot to do with 15 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,560 what I keep hearing from delegate to delegate to people in attendance, kind of 16 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:42,480 a divine power over the former president and the Republican nominee. Yeah, as 17 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,239 a kids like to say, there's a there's been a real vibe shift. 18 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:51,920 It's it's pretty dramatic here. You know, this is my third Republican convention. 19 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,760 I was at the Publican conventions in two and eight and twenty sixteen. 20 00:01:56,439 --> 00:01:59,480 I wasn't one in twenty twelve, but both of those conventions. I was 21 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,719 at two thousand and eight. You know, I don't think anybody was convincing 22 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:07,879 themselves that John McCain had any chance against Obama, and if anyone remembers what 23 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:14,159 a coronation that campaign was. And then in twenty sixteen, coming into that 24 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,840 convention, you know, there was still a lot of angst about you know, 25 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:19,840 Trump being the nominee, and there were you know, floor fights and 26 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:22,479 all this other stuff that was going on. You know, even the last 27 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:23,840 minute, even though you know Trump was inevitable, people were trying to, 28 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:29,400 you know, stir up tensions within the party. You know, this is 29 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,039 so different. I mean it's not just that the party is united and around 30 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,280 Donald Trump. You know, they certainly were, you know that way last 31 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:39,199 week. But you know, as you point out, you know, Trump 32 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,680 surviving that assassination attempt, particularly the way that he did, just has this 33 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,080 you know, uh, you know, just as this it feels like some 34 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,680 sort of you know, divine appointment almost. You know, we were already 35 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,319 united democratically, and now it feels like the particular way that you know, 36 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,400 he barely you know, survived that you know, makes it feel like you 37 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,719 know, He's God is blessing this or something. You know. I don't 38 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:06,759 want to get over my skis with that kind of analogy, believe me. 39 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:09,719 You know, politics are still pretty prosaic, and I don't want to get 40 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:14,000 it too mystical, but I mean there's a real sense that you know, 41 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,280 that that that that you know, something good happened here and we're all a 42 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,919 part of it. Yes, indeed, And I, like I said, 43 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,599 I've heard it from so many people that's you know, I don't even bring 44 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,639 it up. I just I'm talking about the convention, you and I and 45 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,840 of course Molly, Molly Hemingway, the great Mally Hemingway. Here you're you 46 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:38,560 know, you're talking to a lot of people, and I'm sure you have 47 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:43,919 experienced the same sort of thing. You can't help but not talk about faith 48 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:46,039 in all of this, And isn't it interesting? It is interesting to me 49 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:53,400 that faith is supposed to be at the forefront of the Republican Party, and 50 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,759 fortunately it's not always, but certainly is very important to a lot of conservatives 51 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:02,039 in this country. And you have a guy in Donald Trump who in twenty 52 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:14,199 sixteen the faith communities were very wary of, and understandably so. But you 53 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,360 see at this convention the first two nights, just as he came to the 54 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:25,480 floor, the sort of buzz that was there. Again, I don't want 55 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,360 to oversell this, but it has been a remarkable time, certainly in American 56 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:38,279 history, and it's all been very remarkable here at the convention. Yeah, 57 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,800 you know, like I said, you know one of the reasons, you 58 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,720 know, there's a real vibe here and one of the reasons you go to 59 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,319 a convention. You know, a lot of people at home are just watching 60 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,680 it on television. What's going on at the you know, on the floor 61 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,839 and the speeches that are given, and that's all great, and that's kind 62 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,680 of the centerpiece, but it's also true a big part of what happens at 63 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,560 a convention, and the reason why we're still having them in the twenty first 64 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,240 century, where you know, the trueditional nominated process could all be done virtually, 65 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,160 is because these events are you know, good for people's spirits. They're 66 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:09,839 good for you know, making business connections, they're good for, you know, 67 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,759 bringing the party together like physically. You know. One of the highlights 68 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,680 of this convention for me has been, you know, running around meeting all 69 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,879 these people that you know, maybe I haven't seen in years, or I 70 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,800 know them online and I've never met them, and you're just walking around the 71 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,920 streets and you know, everybody is, you know, sharing their views on 72 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,759 what's going on, and everybody's energetic and excited for the future, and it's 73 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,000 just a it's a real thing here to be here, let me tell you, 74 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:39,000 Yeah, it certainly is. There was you know, we know what's 75 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,120 happened in the last several weeks in this country. It's almost as if, 76 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:50,839 surprisingly the corporate or accomplice media has awakened to the notion that Joe Biden might 77 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,839 not be all there, might have some cognitive issues, something of course, 78 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,480 that a lot of us have been talking about not only for the past three 79 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,399 and a half years, but for several years before that, but his decline, 80 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:11,199 his cognitive decline, was on full display at that debate in late June 81 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:17,639 with Donald Trump. And now you have, of course the scurrying of Democrats, 82 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:23,120 the Democrat Party, trying to figure out what their next move is and 83 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,720 for a lot of them, how to get rid of this octagenarian, struggling 84 00:06:28,759 --> 00:06:34,920 president and the candidate for the Democrats in the November election. You certainly see 85 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:39,920 a little different. You have a different feel at this convention and across the 86 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:46,000 country. I think in the Republican Party, Tuesday night was clearly unity night. 87 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:51,560 You had Donald Trump's rivals, political rivals, all of whom he has 88 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:58,920 vanquished over the years from twenty sixteen and of course this election cycle. But 89 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,120 they're all playing very nice, the likes of Nicky Haley and Ron DeSantis, 90 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:09,519 Veake Ramaswami, Marco Rubio of course, who was in the short list as 91 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,720 a vice presidential pick. How do you think this whole unity feel is translating, 92 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:19,240 particularly with the people who had to the spar with one of the best 93 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:24,480 combatants that politics has ever seen. Well, you know, it's interesting. 94 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:27,879 I mean, I guess it's been reported that following the assassination. You know, 95 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,839 Trump made big moves to get DeSantis and Nikki Haley here and you know, 96 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,800 patch things up because I guess he was feeling a little differently about stuff 97 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:38,399 or what. But you know, I think it was a good move for 98 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,480 all involved. There's no question that, you know, it's good to have 99 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:46,839 our unified Republican Party heading into November, you know, under any circumstances. 100 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:50,480 But having the Republican Party this unified when and when Democrats are in total disarray, 101 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:55,480 is you know, even better. You know that said, you know, 102 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,160 there's still tensions in the party. And when Nikki Haley came out last 103 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,079 night, you know, I was in the auditorium and there was she got 104 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:03,839 plenty of people cheered for her, but there was a fair amount of booze 105 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,839 mixed in there as well. People have not really forgotten or totally forgiven her 106 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,199 for opposing Trump, and I think it wasn't just that that she opposed Trump 107 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,040 by In fact, I wrote an entire article about this, I think it 108 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,319 was the December of last year for the Federalists, where I talked about how 109 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:24,279 Haley's argument about why you know she was a superior option to Trump was that 110 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,920 chaos follows Donald Trump wherever he goes, as if somehow it was Donald Trump's 111 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,439 fault that there were all these you know forces out there that were, you 112 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,600 know, opposing him and doing all these terrible things, Like it was Donald 113 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:39,159 Trump's fault that people completely invented a false narrative that he was colluding with Russia 114 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,279 to steal the twenty sixteen election. And then you think about that narrative in 115 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,399 light of the assassination attempt, you know, did Trump really invite something like 116 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,919 that? I mean, the assassination attempt was just kind of the the almost 117 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:54,960 tragedy, however dark it sounds to say this sort of like the logical end 118 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,440 of the assault on Donald Trump has been launched by you know, so many 119 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,240 people since he decided to enter politics. So I'm glad that we're kind of 120 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,879 putting that thing behind us, and the attention with the Republican Party is being 121 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,480 resolved in that way. But make no mistake, you know, Trump's with 122 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,080 his pick of JD. Vance and Trump, you know, you know, 123 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,320 so successfully captivating the party this time around. He is pretty decisively putting to 124 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:28,440 bed vise you know, establishment Republicans and taking the party in a in a 125 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,080 direction that's much more suited to him, much more suited to what he always 126 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,679 wanted all along in this you know, sort of populous direction. But you 127 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,519 know, events, whether or not it's the Trump assassination and attempt or you 128 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:46,120 know, Joe Biden really exposing how vital you know, Trump's desire to get 129 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,559 immigration under control was. You know, I think just events and facts have 130 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:54,600 overtaken that particular breed of established a Republican where they have no choice but to 131 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,639 get on board. Yeah, it's interesting. I know that you and I 132 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,879 have talked about this in the past, but let's let's talk about the vice 133 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:07,200 presidential pick. It's interesting for a number of reasons. Ohio's jd Vance. 134 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:13,639 You know, this is a young man in politics relatively speaking, certainly a 135 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:18,639 young man to me as a guy who's been in this business, and you 136 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:24,039 know how this business ages someone, just like the presidency in war. I 137 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,440 think this is the first time someone's been on a presidential ticket that was younger 138 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,120 than I am. I'm not a particularly you know, you know, young 139 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:33,639 man at this point in time. So yeah, it is a little surreal 140 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,720 to see someone like that, you know what it's like, It's It's like 141 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:43,720 when you know you're twenty five, thirty thirty five. At that point you 142 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:48,240 start seeing the college basketball players that you used to watch on TV retire from 143 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,600 the NBA. Then you go, Okay, this thing is getting real. 144 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:58,360 I'm starting to age. Well, that's happened to me. That happened to 145 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,960 me a long time ago, and that's I think that's the thing in politics 146 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,679 too. But obviously it's a move because while we talk about Joe Biden and 147 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,320 his age, we do talk about Donald Trump. Now, Donald Trump does 148 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:18,320 clearly not have the issues that Joe Biden is struggling with. His mental capacities 149 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:24,600 appear to be all there as opposed to the octagenarian. But at the same 150 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:31,639 time, good pick to look younger, very strong on the conservative base in 151 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,480 JD. Vance, not a lot of experience, but I think you've said 152 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,080 this before. You know, he must be a good pick for conservatives in 153 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:45,840 the grassroots if the established most of the complaints are coming from the establishment cats. 154 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:48,799 Yeah, that's exactly right. All of the right people are upset by 155 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,840 the JD. Vance pick, and I think that's sort of a good indicator. 156 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:56,399 I mean, I mean, he's good on several fronts. I mean, 157 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:58,799 you know, as you know, you've already mentioned he's young. We 158 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,919 talk about that he's young, but like just the sort of dynamism you know 159 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,679 of having a young candidate on the race. You know, we've been in 160 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,240 a gerontocracy forever. Now it feels like and I mean you see these photos 161 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:13,960 of Jade Vance, you know, walking around with us, you know, 162 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,960 playing with his really young kids and stuff. I think people are gonna respond 163 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:22,000 really positive to that, uh positively that to that on kind of an aesthetic 164 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,600 level, which is you know, something that Donald Trump sort of you know, 165 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:28,799 innately understands and appreciates probably better than anyone. And then just you know, 166 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,080 on the policy substance, you know, again this is you know, 167 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,120 like I said, you know, this is we're signaling here that you know, 168 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:43,879 Trump and his particular brand of populism is is vanquishing the establishment Republicans, 169 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:46,840 who, you know, I think it's fair to say have not been doing 170 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,519 a good job stewarding the party for some time on several fronts. And Jade 171 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,159 Vance is that you know, he's an interesting guy, you know, who 172 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,960 who represents a lot of different worlds here where he you know, he got 173 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,320 famous because he wrote a best selling book of Billy Elgy about you know him 174 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:07,000 growing up poor and and uh, you know, all of the struggles that 175 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:09,519 his family had as a result of that, where you know, he he 176 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,159 innately understands the struggles of Appalachia and the rust belt, you know, the 177 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,399 very much Donald Donald Trump's people that he's always tried to get. But at 178 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:20,440 the same time, you know, he was He's a Yale log brad who 179 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,879 went on you know, to do you know, pretty big things in the 180 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:28,120 world of finance and is reportedly very close with you know a lot of big 181 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,360 names like Peter Thiel and and you know all of these you know, tech 182 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:33,200 billionaires that are getting on board to fund the Republican Party. So it's a 183 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,159 bridge to those people. And on top of that, even though he is 184 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:43,840 comparatively inexperienced, he has you know, spoken a fair bit and and really 185 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,840 there's a lot of evidence to show that he's going to be able to have 186 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:54,039 the brain power to put real, you know, policy teeth on a lot 187 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,159 of you know, Trump issues where you know, Trump doesn't necessarily maybe like 188 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,200 to get into the weed. Jadie Vance is a guy that can follow through 189 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:07,519 and execute on a Trumpian agenda, So yeah, I think he used just 190 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:16,320 a good pick on several different fronts. 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And to the point of where 213 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:08,080 we're at in America today, with the events last Saturday in Pennsylvania in fully 214 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:14,639 in mind, you know, it is interesting to hear from the President of 215 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:21,960 the United States after the assassination attempt against his number one political enemy, say 216 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:27,639 that we need to bring down the temperature of rhetoric of political discourse in America 217 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:34,159 they certainly they as in the Democrats, as in the Biden campaign. I'm 218 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:42,799 not seeing much evidence to the to point to them cooling anything off rhetorically speaking. 219 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:48,000 In fact, you walk just outside the security perimeter in downtown Milwaukee to 220 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,879 the five five Serve Center where the Milwaukee Bucks play and the Republican National Convention 221 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:59,759 is held, you'll see the Democrat Party, I believe, is sponsoring these 222 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:07,079 rucks with digital messaging on them with Donald Trump's face showing a dictator on day 223 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,480 one. You know, they've labeled him as Adolph Hitler for such a long 224 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:15,400 time now, I guess is it is it any surprise that we've reached this 225 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:22,119 very violent stage in American political history? And how much of that feeds into 226 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,759 this week at the Republican National Convention. Yeah, well, obviously there's you 227 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:32,279 know, some nervousness that hangs over things in terms of you know, the 228 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,359 assassination attempt and what it showed about the sort of you know, dark forces 229 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:42,319 that are out there. But you know, it's also true that this is 230 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:48,759 an opportunity for the GOP. Joe Biden couldn't wait seventy two hours, you 231 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:51,079 know, you give a speech about lowering the temperature and then like within a 232 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,680 day or so was giving a speech to the NAACP where he was saying Donald 233 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,400 Trump is going to take away your freedoms and that he was putting at lives 234 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,880 at risk. I mean, they're not at all lowering the temperature like it, 235 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:03,640 don't know how to do any other thing, and uh, you know, 236 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,119 I just don't expect them to do that because you know, the one 237 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,039 or one chance of getting elected is to make this a referendum on Donald Trump 238 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:14,160 and him being evil and all the terrible things that he's going to do. 239 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,519 Because if they don't do that, otherwise you're gonna have to run on Joe 240 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:21,279 Biden's record, and heaven knows they do not want to do that. So 241 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:29,000 it's just, uh, it's an opportunity for the GOP because you know, 242 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:34,039 for for years now they've been this has been this image that Donald Trump is 243 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:38,039 this crazy extreme guy who will say anything, you know, and he he'll 244 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,279 you know, he's gets in trouble with his mouth and all that, and 245 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:42,880 some of that stuff has definitely earned. But it's also true that this has 246 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,119 been a very different Donald Trump we've seen in this campaign. He's been much 247 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,319 more disciplined. Uh, you know, I think credit really goes to his 248 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,200 campaign managers, Chrysal Lasovita and Susie Wilds, who have you know, done 249 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,279 a really good job of making sure that Trump is playing into his best instincts 250 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:03,319 and straying staying away from his worst instincts. And he just seems like a 251 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,480 you know, a better and more focused version of himself this campaign and almost 252 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,880 before the assassination and after the assassination, reportedly, you know, he's reevaluating 253 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,160 a lot of things, and just like the look on his face, like 254 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:18,680 you know, he looks like a man who's you know, who's you know, 255 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,240 beaming with gratitude these past couple of days sitting in the box in the 256 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:26,519 stadium, and uh, it's it's it's a very different Donald Trump, and 257 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:30,759 I think it's one that people are can respond to. He's reportedly you know, 258 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:33,119 torn up his speech and the wake of what happened to this weekend. 259 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,640 And I don't know whether you know, we're going to see a kinder, 260 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:38,440 gentler Trump, or there's gonna be more of a play to to go after 261 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,400 you know, non traditional Republican voters or what. But you know, given 262 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,440 that Democrats all I know to do is demonize Donald Trump, and and they're 263 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,160 just lashing out and scrambling to throw anything against the wall and hope it sticks. 264 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:52,640 You know, if he comes out there and he draws a very strong 265 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,559 contrast between you know, Republicans having a positive agenda where Democrats don't have any 266 00:19:57,599 --> 00:20:02,119 agenda other than the attack Donald Trump, then I think, you know, 267 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,319 there's a real chance to capitalize politically and and and hopefully that's where things are 268 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:10,680 headed. But you know, who knows. You know, Donald Trump is 269 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:17,920 nothing if not unpredictable, and I think that that's why everybody is so fascinated 270 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:21,839 by Donald Trump. Among other reasons, but that's a big one. Mark 271 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:26,200 Emmingway, the Great Mark Emmingway, the Federalist own joining us on the Federalist 272 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,079 Radio Hour. And you bring up a very good point. I see the 273 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,319 same thing you do. You can feel it in the convention hall, you 274 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,720 know, and when you get tens of thousands of people in a space, 275 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:44,839 you know, charged up and hearing you know, bold political speeches, some 276 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:51,359 of them bold, many of them not so bold, but you get the 277 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,200 buzz anyway. But I just think there is just a different feel at this 278 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:59,839 convention in Milwaukee than I have felt or seen for a long time. And 279 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,640 I when I say felt, I mean you can feel it. When Donald 280 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:10,000 Trump stepped into the hole, the cameras went trained on him, and you 281 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:14,240 could see it on the big JumboTron and all the massive screens in the five 282 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,319 serve forum. There he is another iconic image, if you will, standing 283 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:25,319 or with that bandage over his ear. I mean you could feel it that 284 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,839 first night. You could feel it again the second night. Do you believe 285 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:37,599 that he will campaign now differently? As you mentioned George H. W. 286 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:44,400 Bush kinder gentler conservative, if you will also I ask you that question in 287 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:51,559 reference to what appears to be an expanded Republican party tent where we've seen the 288 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,839 likes of Amber Rose and some others you wouldn't normally find talking about Donald Trump 289 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:03,119 and Republicans at an r NC convention. Yeah, well, there's a lot 290 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,799 to unpack there. You know. Look, fish gotta swim, birds, 291 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:10,799 you gotta fly. Donald Trump's got to keeping Donald Trump to the day dies. 292 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,000 But uh, you know, I think so, you know, I 293 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,799 you know, look, you're going to see Donald Trump at a rally and 294 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,480 doing his free wheel and shtick, you know, within a couple of weeks. 295 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:25,519 And and I'm not saying that you know, you know, Trump will 296 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:26,839 be mean or anything like that, but you know, he's going to be 297 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,119 Trump. Uh. The question is, though, is whether I think what 298 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,400 it's it's about Trump's mood and you know, whether or not Trump's going to 299 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,799 bree to be projecting you know, more optimism and other things like that. 300 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,319 You know, I think he's a pretty happy, go looky guys, it 301 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,079 is, but I mean, I think there is something that's kind of beaming 302 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,559 out of him right now, and and I think that that's going to be 303 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,640 you know positive. You we'll see if that affects things, you know, 304 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,519 through the campaign. So I'm going to be certainly looking for that and obviously 305 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:59,480 how that plays into his speech Thursday night. So there's you know, definitely 306 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,160 that. But it's also interesting in the sense that, you know, like 307 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,079 all of a sudden, you know, there's this just you know, we 308 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,720 keep talking to this vibe that's hanging over the entire convention. To remember, 309 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,039 coming to this convention, a lot of people were worried that whether or not 310 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:15,519 would anyone pay attention because of you know, the drama surrounding Joe Biden being 311 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:19,279 replaced in his age and all of that would completely overshadow things. Well, 312 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:22,359 this is the worst of both worlds for Democrats, where everybody's tuned in the 313 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,880 Publican convention because of the assassination attempt, you know, the vibe and everybody 314 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,960 feeling it. And at the same time, Joe Biden's age problems aren't going 315 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,680 away, so you know, it's just they're getting it coming and going in 316 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:40,160 in that regard. So you know, that's kind of a perfect storm for 317 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,079 Democrats. As for what's actually happening at the convention, you know, it's 318 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,400 not to say there are intentions here. I mean, they're very definitely tensions 319 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,160 Like I never in a million years imagined, you know, someone like you 320 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,119 know, Amber Rose, who is you know, you know, maybe one 321 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,079 of the most famous strippers in America would be speaking of the Republican Convention and 322 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,599 I'm not. You know, on one hand, it might well be good, 323 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:07,480 and there was actually a lot of positive response to her speech because the 324 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,240 content was in fact very good, and you know, I have to give 325 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,759 her credit for that. You know, I hear that she's I've heard from 326 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,559 a lot of people that she's a lot smarter and savvier than you know, 327 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,359 you would think given you know, Mark, I didn't think it was I 328 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:26,759 didn't think it was going to be successful until I saw Senator Chuck Grassley this 329 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:33,319 morning with with a forehead tattoo, and I knew then that something had There 330 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,000 was a sea change in America, right right. I never thought i'd see 331 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,960 to day there was someone with a forehead tattoo at the main stage of the 332 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,640 Republican Convention. But you know, here we are. But I mean, 333 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,240 I think the problem here is for you know, those of us that are 334 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,759 you know, social conservatives, you know, I'm resolutely pro life, is 335 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,640 you know, is that the Republican Party has become very reflective of the American 336 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,079 culture written large, which in political terms, is a good thing. You 337 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,200 know, that's how you win, you know, you you get yourself aligned 338 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,680 with the mainstream of American culture. The problem is is the mainstream of American 339 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,200 culture isn't nearly as you know, wholesome as it needs to be, euro 340 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,359 as it was thirty years ago. And so that is, you know something 341 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,160 that those of us that care about these issues, you know, need to 342 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,960 recognize that, you know, we can't really affect change unless you win. 343 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,759 But you know, hopefully if we win, we can use our levers of 344 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:30,640 power within the party or whatever to develop us leaves and do what we can 345 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:36,000 to fix some long to affect some long term solutions so that we have a 346 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:40,200 you know, a more moral voting populace and we're not you know, dealing 347 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,640 with these sort of internal contradictions. And you know, also there's a lot 348 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,640 going on, you know, just even within the party factions and that that 349 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,119 that front too, and obviously there's was a lot of tension over Trump ripping 350 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,880 up the party platform and you know, rewriting it and being very involved in 351 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,839 that process. On one hand, it's very good and you know, and 352 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,920 it's rewritten a very Trumpian fashion. Its easy to understand and could the point 353 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,119 too, and it's made the party platform something useful, you know, for 354 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,880 voters in that regard. But it's also true that you know, they took 355 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,839 out the pro a lot of the pro life stuff and other things in the 356 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,880 ways that are very concerning to socially conservative voters and pro life voters like myself. 357 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,279 So but you know, a lot of that has to do with internal 358 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,359 party factions. You know, I think a lot of the socially conservative organizations 359 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,839 and pro life organizations didn't handle themselves very well in the primaries. You know, 360 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,319 Trump was very good for social conservatives when he gotle liket in twenty sixteen, 361 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,480 because unlike previous candidates were like George W. Bush, who didn't do 362 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:40,119 a lot for social conservatives, everyone voted for him just because he was nominally 363 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,839 one of us in terms of being a social conservative. It was this evangelical 364 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,319 kui and people acted like that alone was going to be you know, enough 365 00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:52,759 to get a social conservative on the ticket, when he didn't actually deliver politically. 366 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,359 Whereas with Donald Trump, because of his particular shady background in this regard, 367 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,920 everyone insisted on things being very trained and that was a languae Trump understood, 368 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,839 and he got out there and said, look, I'm gonna elect you. 369 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,160 I'm going to put these justices on the Supreme Court, and he gave 370 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,039 us a list, and sure enough, you know, Donald Trump ended up 371 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,880 being you know, almost personally responsible for repealing Roe v. Wade. But 372 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,000 you know, by then, you know, we'd lost the culture. And 373 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,680 so you know, Donald Trump expected more loyalty this time around, and I 374 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,000 think a lot of these organizations kind of set out the primary and you know, 375 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:26,240 felt out Ron DeSantis and things like that, and it was not a 376 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,880 good move. And so, uh, you know, but Trump understands that 377 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,640 transactional relationship. And if you know, I think these groups continue to support 378 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,079 Trump and he gets back in power and he will understand that, and I 379 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:40,160 think we can work with him. But you know, we've got to also 380 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:47,200 be honest about where the electorate is too. You Haul must really love Democrat 381 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:51,000 run states. The Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 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I know Democrats have 391 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:34,240 to do that now more than ever, of course, with a party that 392 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:41,400 has turned so Marxist radically left that the Democrat Party, of course that we 393 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,920 knew twenty five years ago, no longer exists. But I'll tell you I 394 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,799 have talked to some delegates who are very steam not only about the way that 395 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:59,240 the life issues kind of faded or at least were diminished and from their point 396 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,400 of view, uh, in the platform, they're also very upset of how 397 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,720 it was handled. Very they felt that it was strong armed, that there 398 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:11,400 was bullying, and in fact, one deligate I talked to from Virginia said, 399 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,799 you know, the the left accuses Donald Trump and Republicans in general of 400 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,559 bullying all the time. Well, that's what we received, you know, 401 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:27,039 in this battle for pro life issues in the platform. But as you mentioned, 402 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:33,680 you know, there are strategies and tactics, there are principles, and 403 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:40,400 you know, you have to look at winning before you can get to the 404 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,119 core of what you want to do, because if you don't win, you 405 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:48,440 don't get the chance. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, they're 406 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,519 obviously, you know, we are having a moment of unity. There's no 407 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,240 question at this party. I'm at this sorry moment of unity at this convention. 408 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,480 But you know, you know, in a coalition in this large they're 409 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,880 going to always be some sort of tensions. We got to hire it out 410 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,440 and and uh, you know, I you know, you could point fingers 411 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,319 in both directions about who's to blame for this, you know, tension with 412 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,440 the platform and removing the pro life language and things like that. And I 413 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,359 think, like I said, I'm I'm very personally invested in concern in that. 414 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,680 But at the same time, I also know that the situation arrived this 415 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,920 way because there are people that and you know, even people I like and 416 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:27,079 know in the movement that didn't handle things as well as they did. But 417 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,480 we just have to, you know, roll up our sleeves. And I 418 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,200 think that that, you know, Donald Trump is not unappreciative of social conservatives. 419 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,720 I remember there was this one famous moment where Donald and I think it 420 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,160 was twenty sixteen, where Donald Trump was talking about how, you know, 421 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,319 the evangelical support he'd gotten from all these other people. And you know, 422 00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:47,440 Donald Trump's not unself aware, and he was at one point he said something 423 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,039 he was like, he was like genuinely touched. He was like, I 424 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,599 don't deserve the support I've gotten from you people, you know, knowing that 425 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,079 it was uneasy for them to support him. And I don't think he's totally 426 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,200 lost touch with that, you know, And I don't know to what extent. 427 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,279 You know, people around Trump are more involved in strong arming things of 428 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,920 the platform than Trump directly. But I think we can get to a place 429 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,240 where, you know, social conservative have worked well donald Trump before, and 430 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,279 not just work well, but spectacularly well. And we've got Roe v Waite 431 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,519 overturned. That was it generational goal for conservatives and was fifteen years in the 432 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,000 making. That's not nothing. But I think and I think we can get 433 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,160 back to that place where social conservatives work well with Donald Trump. But we 434 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,000 do have to understand we're dealing with a transactional relationship. Yes, indeed, 435 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:34,720 well it is. It's a long convention. They all are. I you 436 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,759 know, I'm we're coming into the home stretch. But I feel like we've 437 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:44,640 been here for for several months now. That's just the nature of the beast. 438 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,279 But so far and There's there's more to come, that's for sure, 439 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,599 but you kind of touched upon it before. I'll ask you your your favorite 440 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:59,680 moment, and that can be measured by any number of ways. I will 441 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,119 give you a spoiler alert. My favorite moment was not speaker Mike Johnson's speech, 442 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,880 but I didn't expect to be What's what's your What's been your favorite moments 443 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,440 so far from the convention? Well, I mean I've had a lot of 444 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,000 like just sort of personal highlights. It's been really great to be here and 445 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:22,079 just meet a lot of people that I've really really enjoyed over the years, 446 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:23,839 either people I hadn't seen in years, of people I'd never met. I 447 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,759 just met Walter Kern, the novelist who's become a very sort of trenchant critic 448 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,599 of the left, even if he's not totally on board of Trump, who's 449 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,400 here and a very interesting guy. He wrote up in the Air the Move, 450 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,319 the George Clooney Move, the book that they based the George Clooney movie 451 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,359 on. Isn't that interests? Yeah? That one a bunch of oscars, 452 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:46,480 ironically enough, So Kern was very interesting and great. But yeah, there've 453 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,200 also just been a lot of like great smaller events than weren't on the main 454 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,559 stage. So like I'm a bit biased because my wife was leading the discussion, 455 00:32:54,599 --> 00:33:00,680 but there was a wonderful Heritage Foundation policy fest program they've been running, 456 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,000 and my wife had this great talk with Senator Mike Leave Utah, who's like 457 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:08,039 one of the smartest guys in the Senate and knows everything about policy about what 458 00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,359 to do about the deep state, and I really learned a lot from the 459 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,599 discussion. And there were some great other things that happened at that event where 460 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,519 Eric Prince, the Navy seal and the former Blackwater founder came on. He's 461 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,599 like, you know, you know, I think a guy that's been maligned 462 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,759 a lot in the press and a brilliant military thinker came on and then gave 463 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,000 a talk about the failures of the Secret Service and touched on a lot of 464 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,039 problems American form policy. That was really fascinating. So that that was that 465 00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:40,200 event was a real highlight. And timing excellent timing on that front as well. 466 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,759 I don't know what he was probably scheduled before the session began. That 467 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,799 fortuitous to say the least. Yeah, almost certainly, But yeah, he's 468 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:57,240 a fascinating character all tell you my favorite moment so far. And there's been 469 00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,680 some some interesting times, no doubt about. But I would say some extremely 470 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:09,880 powerful, meaningful, impactful speeches, not from the usual suspects in politics. 471 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,239 There have been some stem winders, that's for sure, and that's what you 472 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,320 find at these conventions. But I think the stories of the mother of the 473 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,719 fifteen year old boy in California who joined hundreds of thousands of victims of fentanyl, 474 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:36,519 victims of Joe Biden's open door policies, open border policies, I thought 475 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:44,920 it was extremely moving. And others who have been impacted very violently in their 476 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,480 lives by illegal immigration, the top issue, if not the top issue, 477 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:55,480 the top two, one of the top issues out there, and they told 478 00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:05,519 their stories as real people, very moving in some cases, the cameras showing 479 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,159 just you know, the women in the audience, particularly the moms in the 480 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:15,039 audience, just feeling the pain of a mom who lost a child to something 481 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:21,760 so unnecessary. And when that mom turned to the audience and turned to the 482 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,800 cameras more so turned to Joe Biden and the Democrats and said, say his 483 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:34,719 name, talking about her fifteen year old son, I thought that that is 484 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,400 a moment that will absolutely resonate moving forward in this campaign. Yeah, I 485 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,239 didn't see that speech because I was at an event that the mother with the 486 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,679 son of the lost her so on the fent Noll. But you are, 487 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:52,760 like I said, You're the eleven y billion person to tell me that that 488 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,280 was a phenomenally affecting speech. So I'm gonna have to break down and find 489 00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,719 the time to watch it online soon. Final question and for it as we 490 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,480 wrap up our conversation, the big speech is coming. You alluded to it 491 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,320 before, transformative moment for Donald Trump and for this country. What do you 492 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:15,800 expect to find in Donald Trump's opening or closing arguments, however you want to 493 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,840 deem them, and what's next as the Republicans move out of Milwaukee into the 494 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:27,519 general campaign sphere. Well, I think obviously we're in a real the Emperor 495 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,639 has no close moment. And it's not just that Joe Biden has been revealed 496 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:35,159 to be senile. We're also seeing a situation here where the thing about that 497 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:40,639 assassination attempt that was so powerful, and think of the assassination attempt that was 498 00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:45,440 so powerful, was it was a moment of revealed character for Donald Trump. 499 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:49,840 Everyone just you know, had been you know, saying for years that Donald 500 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,519 Trump is this, you know, dishonest, you know, a coward and 501 00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:57,199 all these other things. And the way that Donald Trump responded in that moment 502 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,960 was the reaction that one in a thousand men would have, you know, 503 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,960 if he hadn't stood up and you know, you know, pumped his fist 504 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:08,719 like that and and and behave that way, you know, he you know, 505 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,800 things could have gone downhill, you know, really fast. I mean, 506 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,320 you know, he calmed the crowd by showing him that he was okay 507 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,719 and by exhibiting like real leadership. I mean, you say what you want 508 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,639 about Donald Trump, but the last thing anyone can now say is that he's 509 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,800 a coward. And so I think people are you know, going to be 510 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:30,039 looking for Trump to affirm that that, you know, that vision of him 511 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:36,000 as a courageous guy and a guy that maybe you've been lied about this whole 512 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,039 time. You know, it turns out he's not a coward, and it 513 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,000 turns out maybe all the people that were lying about how great Joe Biden was 514 00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:44,320 have been lying about Donald Trump too. So if he can come out there 515 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,360 and he can you know, re you know, establish that vision of himself 516 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,760 that has been there all along as being you know, a you know, 517 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,679 a fearless guy and a guy that is willing to do you know, politics 518 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,719 differently than usual and up end you know, a consensus that I think everyone 519 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,440 see, institutional consensus that I think everyone sees is broken in Washington. Uh, 520 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,159 you know, and and and merge that you know policy vision of We're 521 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:14,960 going to disrupt this country and start doing things the right way to benefit ordinary 522 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,960 people with you know something. It also affirms that he is in fact a 523 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,480 man of you know, you know, pretty steely character that can do that. 524 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,320 Then you know it's going to be appealing to a lot of people. 525 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,760 Good point, Saul, and I like anything quite frankly that keeps Lee Greenwood 526 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,119 gainfully employed. Just you know, that's one of the missions. I appreciate 527 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:39,960 your time. Believe me, I really appreciate your time. To the generosity 528 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,079 of your time. It's a bit of an inside joke, people, yes 529 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:46,960 it is, but just know that I do, uh and grateful to have 530 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,519 you joining us today. The great Mark Hemingway, the Federalist own Mark Hemingway 531 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,880 joining us on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. You've been listening to 532 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,519 another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior correspondent at 533 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:07,280 the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers 534 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:20,119 of freedom and anxious for the frame. Heard the fame boy ser reason, 535 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,880 and then it faded away.