Welcome to the show. I'm really excited about tonight's show. Unfortunately, Alejandro
is on the road traveling and he said, oh darn you just can't.
He just can't. He's not gonna be anywhere that where he can actually talk
with us, So he is not going to be on the show. But
I have a show with what I consider too really wonderful nice guys tonight.
Sam Moronto is joining us from Chicago in the beginning of the show, and
then after that we have Preston Dennett and he has written a book about Schoolyard
UFOs and we're going to be talking all about that. I want to thank
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you can check that out over at the Powercast and levelheaded, great conversations and
also, I mean, it was just it was a real pleasure and I've
been thinking, you know, maybe I'll get both of them at different times
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Martin at podcast ufo dot com. And I am getting my good buddy here
from Chicago on right now. Sam Moranto. Welcome to the show boy.
It's good to be back and great to hear your voice. It was also
magnificent to hear that wonderful race. Ha. Oh my gosh, what a
wonderful voice. I know, what a radio voice? Huh? Hey,
what do you think of my hat? I got the I love it?
Actually. Yeah. All the time I say, well, I'm not necessarily
as saying it's aliens. Well, my hat says it's aliens anyway, Sam,
So this is not a typical news segment. I just wanted to have
you on because there's always something going on out in the Chicago way. And
when I found out Alejandro couldn't be on, I thought, hey, well
let's see if Sam could be on. Sam. First of all, I
know this is the near anniversary of a couple of major sightings. Let's see,
was it November seventh? O'Hare? Is that when that was? You
got it? For twenty or so? In the afternoon gate seat seventeen objects
sitting below ceiling of approximately nineteen hundred feet and it's about four hundred and fifty
feet below that. This object is sitting there looking much like you know,
to some degree, we keep hearing about this tip tech tick dec but if
you look at a disc object from a side angle, it's just a matter
of where you're looking at at your vantage point. This object sat there for
a good twenty plus minutes. I had the privilege of speaking to three people
who saw it, a couple of other individuals who were talking to people on
the radio who weren't able to see it themselves, but were able to communicate
with them as they were watching it. And there is absolutely no doubt that
this object that bolted through sky that day was not a lenticular cloud that went
through that some six thousand feet of ceiling of cloud layer that sat there and
bolted through in an instance to the point that people were gasping and reacting with
shock. So when you hear these these crazy stories that so called skeptics come
up with, you could just remind them to take a peek at the NARCAP
Scientific Technical Report number ten, and that's at NARCAP dot org. Read the
details on that, and if that isn't enough information, I believe it's starting
near two hundred some pages of very good scientific evaluation. And oh yes,
my interviews are in there. So I definitely was part of the case itself.
Somebody said I wasn't. I don't know how that happened, but I
most certainly was. And yes, that was on the November the seven,
two thousand and six. Now you just mentioned it wasn't a cloud, and
I'm going to ask you, are you addressing I don't know if you listen
to when I had seth Shawstack on, I don't know what was it a
three weeks ago, but he's the one who he actually said it was a
cloud. Is that kind of why you're addressing that in particular? Yes,
and particularly I'm addressing that. Plus there was an astronomer from the Adler who
came on. It was an interview that I was supposed to attend. I
didn't have time to get down there and do. It was one of these
last minute phone calls they want to be in studio do an interview. But
that notion was brought up stating that, oh, we know what it was
a lenticular cloud. First of all, lenticular clouds are rarely seen in the
Midwest. You have to have a pretty good wind to create that, and
you'll find him on a leeward side of a mountain or for instance, something
very tall. You do get them in the Midwest, but they're extremely rare.
One of my witnesses, my main witness, was a person to a
lot of mountain climbing and when she heard a lenticular cloud, she said,
well, that was just a bunch of kaka as how she referred to it.
And there's no way possible that that was the case. And this object
sat there. She was evaluating it as from the point of what kind of
construction it was actually made of. She was a military brat. Her father
was the captain of an air wing for the Navy, and she was raised
in the environment of aviation and she knew the proper terminology when she came to
analyzing the object. She was also a reporter and a very smart person.
She was a talking head for one of the television stations out there. So
in Washington, this was somebody that knew what she was talking about. Plus
we had pilots, we had a ground traffic personnel that we're taxing seven thirty
sevens back and forth to their hangers. They seen it. Bottom line,
this object was there. I can't say it was something that was from out
of this world that had exhibited some extremely remarkable technology. Wow. Um Yeah.
Another another real mystery as as they say, and I know I've asked
you this question, it just seems like it's a matter of time before,
you know, a pilot will retire. You know, the retirement age for
a commercial pilot is sixty five, so they have to retire at sixty five,
and it just seems like some should have retired by now that would want
to talk about actually seeing this object. I'm hoping that is the case.
One individual I did speak to was at a retirement was a senior group,
and this gentleman was a manager handling security underground built between gates Heat seventeen,
the gates C Concourse and Concourse, and was managing the oversight of inspecting the
luggage for security. And he heard the chatter back and forth and he called
his friend and the concourse was a manager and he was giving him a complete,
very well detailed observation of what he was seeing. And he said,
by no accounts was that even remotely anything resembling a cloud. It was an
object, cut and dry, it was an object. Well, um,
I've been texting, so I'm going to have to actually say this, and
I apologize for after say this, But some people are saying that there's no
audio over on KGr A radio currently, so Race, if you can hear
me, you may want to check that out. They do have, obviously
to do have audio on YouTube because people are commenting about what we're talking about.
So you and I were talking a little bit earlier, just chatting,
and you said that Mothman. I know this is in UFOs, but Mothman
just won't go away. What's going on with that? Oh? That environment?
I tell you what. We had another report that came in, you
know, the whole the whole series of Mothman reports that came into move On,
which were about ten of them. Two of them. One was a
call in. One was an email that came in through the Illinois move On
website, not from the move On CMS. You know, most of these,
if not all of them, except for two, I should say all
except for two, had no contact of information. Everything was just voided or
fictitious. And the details, there was a lot of information. It was
just absolutely incorrect. People being outside during the rain stating that they were seeing
the reflection of the moon and the eye of the creature while they're out on
Lake Michigan and three to seven foot waves at ten o'clock at night. The
moon wasn't up to eleven forty three. I mean, I don't we understand
all the things that cannot be altered and are just scientifically definitely solid as far
as arifiable evidence, And yet they come up with all this nonsense. It
seemed like all of them had some very good creative writing in play and some
highly convincing narratives, and this is the same thing that's been going on.
But now what's going on is they're trying to turn it and all of a
sudden, the investigators the bad guys because we're asking questions. We'd like to
have the people go out to the location, point out exactly where something is,
so he could do the usual scientific stuff like figure out how how something
is in the airs, if he could triangulate it, get some idea on
the size of the actual object. Nothing like this can go on nless you
have some help. And this is a nonsense, but it's starting up again.
Wouldn't it be nice to have some crypted thing floating around that we could
actually nail down and say, here, we could add this to the books
of some new crypted thing, you know, being whatever it is. If
it's extraterrestrial, interdimensional, or just one more freaking thing that we miss them
out and it's been living in the bushes, who knows. But all the
new reports are coming around from the area around the O'Hare field, which is
not a good place to go flying around if you're seven foot All. Well,
I didn't have any idea that it was ever around the airport. Is
this something new, Yes, this is a new area that we're starting to
get the reports from. And again some of the information just doesn't add up
the timelines. But then again, all these reports. The minute you start
asking to have a phone interview or any other form of contact, they insist
that you're meddling, that you're being too pushy, that they wish to stay
anonymous if you call in, and if you send a report and anonymous,
you're already there. I can't grant anonymity to something that isn't known. It's
like that's an impossible act. So the bottom line is, if you're going
to fill out a report, expect to get some sort of community engage and
from us to at least get more detailed to help you figure out what it
is. And that's all we're interested in doing. Yeah, Wow, Hey,
Sam, I can't believe how much the time has just flown by.
It seems like we just started chatting here. Anyway, thanks so much.
I appreciate you filling in for our good friend Alejandro, and you take care
out in Chicago, and my best to Julian. We'll talk soon, yes,
take care, I'll see you all right. All right, everyone,
So, our guest of coming up now is Preston Dennett. And Preston has
been on I think two at least two times ahead. A real fun guy,
nice guy. Always enjoy speaking with him, and he has been investigating
UFOs and the paranormal all the way back since nineteen eighty six. He's written
several books I think twenty four books and over articles on UFO and paranormal and
again, I just always enjoy speaking with him. And welcome to the show,
Preston. Hey, thanks for having me on. All right. There
you are, I'm seeing you. I'm seeing you, but I'm not seeing
you on the I don't know what's going on with Skype tonight, but it's
not it's not I'm not behaving. It's not behaving. Let me just see
if I can shame There you are, okay, all right, I'm gonna
do some adjustments on this end. All right, here you go. We're
going to put you on. Here you go. So preston. For the
person who has never heard you on the show, why don't you give a
quick background and what got you interested in the topic, all that good stuff?
Right? Yeah, Well, I was originally born in Illinois, moved
here to California with my family. I've got five brothers and sisters, and
I thought we were all scuttle of UFOs. It turns out no, some
of them had seen UFOs and didn't tell me. I was very skeptical.
It wasn't until nineteen eighty six, November seventeenth, I think it was exactly.
There was a sighting over Alaska captain ken Ju Taroshi. It's a very
famous case, and I thought, wow, this pilot is obviously lying or
he's on drugs. I mean, what is going on? Because the news
just kind of laughed about it. They were a very tongue in cheek and
moved on. But I remembered my brother had said seen a UFO and I
didn't believe him, and I asked him about it and got a real shock.
You know, he had two friends with him. He chased this metallic
disc for several miles in his car, and I started asking people and found
out that you know, not only you know, some of the people within
my family, but my friends and my co workers as well not only had
sightings but missing time and you know, face to face encounters with gray tease.
So yeah, it hit home for me. You know, as far
as I'm concerned, it wasn't good news. I was pretty upset about it.
Really, really, that's a you know, I sometimes I hear kind
of that reaction, but some of sometimes mostly about um, someone that has
their own sighting, but not generally when they're listening to other people's accounts.
Are you saying this reaction of yours has to do more of like it was
something that you didn't know about, sort of like a secret out there,
and all of a sudden you know about it, and and well, so
why why was your reaction the way it was? I guess what I'm looking
for, Um, I guess I had a lot of anger because this wasn't
taught in schools, and the people I thought, you know who love and
me were lying essentially, and I get it, you know that I was
vehemently skeptical. I was taking all kinds of science classes in college, and
I was you know, dug in in terms of you know, UFOs not
being real. So it was a big adjustment for sure. And finding out
that our own government is using our own tax dollars to basically ridicule witnesses and
cover up events and uh, you know, cover up the truth really upset
me. So there, Yeah, it was a not good news. I
mean it was very interesting. I became obsessed very quickly, bought all the
books i could, magazines, I subscribed to mouf On, became a member
or a field investigator. I was tromping through the fields. I was going
to see if these things were real? Wow, And what what was your
investigation like when you work for Muthon Moufon? Did you work with mufon?
Did you have any really interesting cases that you personally investigated? Oh? Yeah,
yeah, I mean I worked directly with Mufon for a number of years
early on and just kind of fed some case too then and mostly sightings and
things like that. Don't work so much with muff On these days. I'm
still a field investigator and a member. I support them. I think there's
a lot of really good people in MUFON, but like every UFO citizen UFO
organization in the US, there's problems with them. I mean, this is
what we saw with Apro, who was essentially spied on by the CIA.
The Lorenzens caught them doing it. And what's the other one not Apro,
not q FOS Nightcap that of course fell apart due to infiltration, so you
know, and mouf On, I love them, but their membership is what
a few thousand? Why isn't it a hundred thousand? I don't understand.
That's always puzzled me too, and it's not likely it's an expensive membership.
I've had a little few discussions with Janny Harris and about you know, how
he tries to get you know, members involved. And now I see they
have a new like moof on TV show. I watched part of it the
other day. You know, maybe they're trying to get experimental and trying to
figure out ways to you know, get more members involved. But yeah,
it's it is. It is surprisingly a low membership, and yeah, I
know the controversy and there's some people that have just played left because of it,
and I think, you know, when whenever something like you mentioned whenever
something like this, um can it can easily get out of hand in different
ways, you know the politics of it and the whole thing. And then
when anytime when there's money involved, UM things, weird things can happen too.
So I know they've had their struggles. Well, I like John,
I met him, you know, at the conference in Irvine when I spoke
there, And I'm hopeful for this all continuing in a good path. But
we have to remember that this is a real subject, UFOs, our real
The evidence I think is conclusive really within the public arena, if you're willing
to search it out, and there's a cover up, it's demonstrable. So
and it hasn't stopped yet, right, So there's pushing pull forces here that
are making this very difficult to move the subject forward. Right right, Let's
see, I think we're going into break right now. So we're going to
go into our first break. We're going to get into your book, because
I find that really fascinating, the schoolyard UFO encounters. But first of all,
in your area, what part of California do you live in southern California
outside of La in Resita, And what's the what's the fires? How?
How are you dealing with that? Out there? By just a couple of
weeks ago, it was pretty scary. I mean, I had fires on
both sides of me. I personally was in no danger, but my family,
my brother and sister in law were just about getting ready to evacuate and
have other people who are in direct path of the fires in northern California.
So it's been horrendous. Yeah, it's a big deal. I've lived here
for a long time since nineteen seventy one, and wildfires are nothing new,
but not like this, I have to it has They don't race across and
just demolish a thousand homes in minutes. That's right. And I know we're
doing a show about UFOs, but I do want to talk a little bit
about this because I think it's actually, you know, scary and interesting at
the same time. But I went out in to California a few years ago
visiting, and I went up to Yosemite, and I couldn't believe what I
saw with a beetle kill that happens when there's a drought and the trees can't
produce enough sap to protect themselves against the beetle and so the beatles and so
the beatles will kill these trees. But I mean, what a fire hazard
Yosemite, which is such a beautiful area. What a fire has its Yosemite
itself is and I'm surprised that hasn't torched. You know, it's just just
so much tinder what do they call it? Tinder just waiting to light there.
But I don't know if it's going to get any better in California.
I mean, it's like there's not too it seems like there's most of this,
you know, the wooded areas have been hit one way or another in
the last few years. Pretty amazing. Yeah, there's still a lot of
forests out there, thank god. And I think at some point this has
got to stabilize if we work on our environment. It's the number one message
from the ETS, by the way, environment mentalism. Yeah, I would
like to That's one of the things I want to talk about because you know,
a lot of these schoolyard encounters they do have they do have messages.
All right, everyone, welcome back. This is Martin Willison. My guest
is Preston Dennett, and we're gonna be talking about schoolyard encounters, and that's
where we're going to start, Preston, So what made you decide you were
going to write this book about these encounters, which, by the way,
is one of the most interesting aspects of this phenomena as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I kind of slipped into it by chance. Coincidentally, one
of my early cases, my first human art case, actually took place right
in front of an elementary school. So I started running into these cases early
on, and of course, when the Rua Zimbabwe case occurred, I'm like,
wow, this is really unusual. I thought, I thought it was
unusual, and but I kept hearing more cases. I ran into another of
my own down in Hawthorne at a Catholic school, and thought, gosh,
I wonder if this is a thing, because I'd been looking into various areas
that I call UFO attractors, sort of like mines, you know, metal
mines, iron mines, copper mines attract to fos. So do rocket launches,
anything to do with rockets, nuclear stations. And I thought, I
wonder if schools are a thing, because I had heard, of of course,
the Westall Melbourne case at Westall High School or some two hundred kids saw
a UFO land three hundred, and I thought, gosh, you know,
I think there's another. I remembered one up in Wales where they saw humanoids.
I did not know about the Opalalaca Crestview case. So turn these are
all the most more famous cases. And so I decided to dig in a
little bit because I had read this case where a student had said that he
had grays walk into his classroom during class. And yeah, time stopped and
these grays were just going up and down the aisles. No one was moving,
and at this point he couldn't move, he couldn't talk, and suddenly
they were gone. Time speeded up again, and everyone acted like nothing had
happened. I thought, oh my god, you know our you know,
schools being targeted by UFOs. So I did a sort of a survey of
the literature, starting with the books in my library and magazines and UFO news
clipping service. I checked out moufon in Newfark and other UFO databases, and
I have to tell you, you know, I got a real shock.
I'm having investigated UFOs for you know, gosh, thirty years now. Most
of my life I thought I was I knew pretty much what was going on,
and this really threw me for a loop because I found over one hundred
cases pretty quickly. That's amazing right all over the world. Stretching back,
gosh, the earliest when I found with eighteen fifty three, it's an outlier.
That's in Tennessee. These UFOs hovered over a college, but really starting
in nineteen fifty and onward from that year, at least two real three high
quality cases per year all the way up pretty much to the present day.
I think I don't know, maybe three or four months ago, the topic
of school yard encounters came up, and I believe I said, yeah,
I think there's at least four or five of them. I had no idea
if you had told me there was one hundred, you know, at that
time, I would have like, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't believe you.
But I mean, it's just I can't believe Eve, there's so many.
It's that's just amazing. And U you know, we know of like
you just mentioned two that you know, I'm very familiar with. And by
the way, on December tenth, we have Ryan Shane is going to be
on about the westall encounter December tenth soum. But the Ariale School, to
me, is one of the major ones just because of well, there's so
many reasons why. You know, the sixty five or whatever was school children,
and so many of them, you know, saw the beings. And
speaking of beings, how many of these encounters, I don't know if you
can try to make a stab at how many of them had actual being sightings
and all those hundred yeah, ten percent at least. Actually what I found
it surprising thirty percent of the cases involved landings and or humanoids. So what
we're dealing with are not First of all, it's not a coincidence. This
is not like random fly bys. Your average kind of sighting is about four
thousand feet up and thenomalous light at night, very brief, and it darts
away. Right, That's not what's happening here. These cases are fundamentally different
in several really profound and significant ways. I think. First of all,
being that these are very low level sightings. I would say that a thousand
feet would be on the higher end for these objects. They come down to
usually two hundred feet one hundred fifty. Yeah, Like I said, in
some cases landing, these objects are directly targeting the schools. They're appearing from,
say the horizon or way up in the sky, and come right over
the school, perhaps circling around it, but usually stopping right over it or
landing next to it, usually behind the school in a grove of trees when
they do land. What's also unusual about these cases is they occurred during daytime,
which you know, most sightings are at night, So this is a
significant difference and also removes the possibility of misperception. Another thing, as they
last a long time. You know, ten minutes would be sort of the
shorter end, twenty minutes, thirty minutes, an hour, two hours.
A couple of these cases like occur over a period of days or even a
week of repeated visits. Yeah, not at all unusual. Also unusual is
the fact that we're not dealing with, you know, your average amount of
four to seven witnesses. We are dealing with an average of thirty witnesses per
case. For in many cases there's forty fifty one hundred, two hundred,
four hundred witnesses and not not just students, by the way, teachers.
In about half the cases, there's often a governmental response. There's you know,
terry or state government police. There's also a wave of publicity usually that
follows these sightings that they generally do make the local newspapers, sometimes international.
But yeah, something crazy is definitely going on with these types of cases.
And one more quick thing is half half of the cases are elementary schools.
Yeah. We talked just for a couple of minutes before the show, and
I was saying to you that I think one of the reasons these sightings are
happening is because kids are very impressionable when you're going back to elementary schools.
You know, that even makes the case even a little stronger. And how
many of these cases are you aware of where they're actually the kids are actually
outside, like on the playground or something like that. Is there a good
percentage of that? Yeah? Ninety really really most of them. Yeah,
And what we do see is that these things show up during recess. It
seems, you know, to be happening so consistently that I just can't imagine
this is a coincidence. There are number of cases where kids are in their
classroom and these objects hover right outside the school and cause you know, classroom
chaos to say the least, But most of the cases, Yeah, the
kids are on the playground. It's usually you know, early morning, recess,
lunchtime, or school has just been let out. Number of cases just
like that. Wow. So yeah, I think it's intentional and these ets
are because what we often you know, I do believe we're dealing with ets.
Just put that out there. Extraterrestrials in the classic sense. I think
that they're casing the joint and you know what I mean, they're scouting the
area out prior to this because often in these cases there are sightings before the
event and after. That was certainly true in the aerial case. So are
you saying before the actual event of the encounter, there's sightings after and before.
Is that what you mean by that? Yeah, particularly in the case
of the landings. What we see is in the cases where the epipods are
landing next to schools the day before that, they'll often be sightings and after
that for that matter. Yeah, not always, but certainly it is a
pattern. So it is almost like they're they're scouting it out in a way.
And yeah, and I want to go over some of the cases,
but you mentioned sometime the military gets involved. Can you talk about any of
the cases where that that is the case. Um, yeah, I think
probably the one that comes to mind would be the Marysville, Ohio the Jerome
Elementary School. I have the date for that summer around here, Yeah,
nineteen fifty four October twenty second. Great case, it's really amazing, began
when a bunch of children, about sixty children around the playground and saw this
sort of football shaped object with very bright lights, perhaps portholes, but probably
lights because it was very bright. Came swooping down about two hundred feet and
hovered there for a good five or ten minutes before some kids decided to know,
maybe we better call the teachers and called out the principle, mister Dimmick,
and he was amazed. He's never seen anything like it, says it
was so bright he had to shield his eyes. He immediately called for another
teacher. She ran out and didn't see it because this thing darts away at
full speed, but sighting wasn't over yet. At this point, the sky
fills with this sort of cotton candy like substance, which we now know as
angel hair. It's relatively rare. I mean these, I mean, there's
quite a number of cases, but not a lot compared to the number of
sightings that are out there. And this is just sort of this weird spiderweb
type substance, and it was thick all over the playground. It targeted the
school in my mind, clearly a display of some kind done intentionally. I
don't think this is UFO exhaust or anything. I think they put this out
there for the kids. I really do, and I can tell you why.
But at any rate, they scooped it up, you know, they
brought some to the teachers. The teachers fussed around with it. They sent
a sample to the local newspaper, who sent to the sample to Lockporn Air
Force Base, and they never heard back from them. But the Air Force
did express interest in this case particularly, and seemed to express interest in all
the cases where there's perhaps photographs taken or moving films or another case just like
this. One year later Whitsit Elementary School, another angel hair fall case or
the Air Force showed up to interview people and tried to debunk the case.
But turns out the principle who saw this is also let's see Witsit Elementary School.
He witnessed the whole thing. Turns out he was a World War two,
VET would flown like thirty some combat missions and new aircraft and was just
not having what this Air Force major was trying to do, which was debunk
the case. Well, wow, so you talked about the angel here.
I know there was a case. I can't remember anything about it other than
that it was found. They found a bunch of it in the trees.
I know it was a woman witness. And has any of that ever been
tested? Actually, you mentioned that the Air Force never got back to him.
But hast have people tested it otherwise? Oh? Yeah, certainly in
other cases And in the wits It elementary school case, they did send a
sample off to Burlington Scientific Labs, who returned it saying they were not able
to identify it as other than possibly an organic substance and they thought it might
be spiderwebs and recommended which it couldn't be because I mean, this was thick
on the playground at any rate. They did send it to a biologist and
the biologists had flat out, no, this is not spider webs. You
know, there's no evidence of spiders here. The strands are way too even,
and yeah, it does chemical analysis has shown, you know, I
forget what the actual elements are in there, but I remember boron is one
of them, which isn't a super common element, but is something we use
for nuclear shielding how reactors, I believe or so that kind of piqued my
interest. I'm like, I wonder if there's something to that. But generally
the substance dissolves very quickly. It's extremely hard to gather samples of so there
hasn't been a whole lot of study of it, but there has been some.
Wow, Now, are there any other as far as you know,
are there any other trace evidence cases when it comes to schoolyard sightings? Oh?
Yeah, there was a case in South Africa, Richmond High School where
I believe it was Richmond, where a UFO landed on the high school tennis
courts overnight. The guy who kind of with principle by coincidence, actually lived
next to school saw these lights outside his window. There was some security guards
who saw it, and I believe another police officer saw it. So a
number of witnesses saw these strange lights and the next morning they go to these
tennis courts where these lights were and they were tore up and they couldn't figure
out how it was done because these they were locked up in secure fencing.
The gates weren't disturbed, the fences weren't damaged, but the blue gum tree
next to the tennis courts was all burnt. The floor of the tennis courts
was tore up all over the place, and they found some of the tar
several hundred yards away on a mountain side, little hillside, So that was
curious. Yeah, they have no idea what exactly happened in that case,
but that's one of a number of landing trace cases. I know, the
Westall case had some pretty significant landing traces. There's a number of cases with
physiological reactions as well. So yeah, and there. Let's see the Moline,
Illinois case. Sacred Heart Elementary School. Forty children and three nuns saw
this UFO hovering over it. There was a police officer who had a movie
camera and was able to take footage of it. I've saw the footage.
It's not great by today's standards, but it's really, in my mind,
great evidence. Because we have so many witnesses supporting this, we know it's
not a hoax, and certainly the airport showed a lot of interest in it,
and the guy who took the footage. The police officer was actually visited
by so called men in black, refused to identify themselves, right, perhaps
the government type as opposed to the sort of weirder alien type. But some
you know, government officials from some unnamed agency who expressed a lot of interest
in his film, and I wanted to see it. I was just looking
over the list, and there is I mean, I've never heard of any
of these. So you mentioned in your research that you you went into,
say you're a books, and then your articles, and then and you mentioned
something about newspaper clips. I mean, it must be so hard to find
these, I mean, or can someone actually find a lot of these through
the Internet. I cast a pretty wide net, you know. I've got
a pretty big library, subscribe to the UFO news clipping service before you know,
there was internet, And I found some really wonderful dead databases. I
can tell you moff On and new Fork, National UFO Reporting Center had a
lot of formation, uh apro QFOS, Nightcap, lots of the magazines.
So yeah, I did cast a wide net. I traced some of the
cases myself, you know, and was able to talk to witnesses firsthand.
So yeah, it was definitely it's a real research project for sure. But
boy, when I found one of these cases, I'm like, wow,
here's this, here's this pattern again exerting itself, where all this UFO shows
up at recess and these are displays. Clearly, these UFOs are showing themselves
off on purpose. It's a sort of UFO behavior that's not super common but
turns up regularly, and that's what they're doing in these cases for sure.
Um, let's let's uh talk about Um, We'll get into the different cases,
the unknown cases that I'm interested in, but let's talk about Earlier.
You said something along the lines of, you know, the environment the message.
Are there a lot of cases where people actually you know, children are
mentioning you know that they either had a vision or they felt like they were
communicated with and uh and if so, you know what kind of percentage of
that is what we've heard in the past about environmental you know related right now.
Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of direct communication cases. There's a smattering
of them. The RUA Zimbabwe cases really the ultimate case of this kind,
which has all the elements including you know, landing humanoids, multiple witnesses.
Uh, No teachers saw that one Now, one one has come. When
I was speaking to James fox Um out in Phoenix, he told me that
there was one teacher that admitted to him that she actually saw it and she
kept quiet about it. So wow, So he did get an interview with
her. It's going to be in his film when it comes out whenever that
is, hopefully it'll be soon. But yeah, that'll be interesting to hear
her side of it. Yeah, but most of them, no, don't
have messages. It's certainly the most common message I hear when someone's taken on
board the craft, regardless of the date of their encounter or the type of
VT they're interacting with. That's the number one message people are given. And
it was there in the Roo Zimbabwe case. And there's only a couple of
other cases where people got any message at all. So that is actually really
rare. Oh yeah, I was. I was hoping there would be more
of those because I just find it really really an added, you know,
amazing element to the whole situation. And you mentioned a couple of times there's
principles. How often you say, are faculty involved in actually you know,
seeing these things is it rare or is it you know, half and half
or what is it? It's about half? You know, It's hard to
say for sure because a lot of these cases aren't really thoroughly investigated. But
and I'm just astonished at how many cases there are where there's elementary age witnesses
who see this stuff and there are no teachers we're are admitting it at least,
So what we're like the RUA Zimbible case, Well, I found out
there's a teacher there just now. I think that we're seeing that's probably more
likely the case that a lot of these teachers are just not going to talk
about it, whereas students. You know, children are unencumbered by society and
preconceptions, which I think actually makes them great witnesses in a lot of ways.
They're often marginalized unfortunately terms of being UFO witnesses are really witnesses in any
event. There's that old added children should be seen and not heard, and
that was truer back then, you know, than it is now. But
my phone's ringing, Sorry about that, But yeah, I think that,
uh, this is actually a lot more common and teachers see them, probably
in at least half the cases. Probably more, but there's a bunch of
cases there where it's just the kids. One of the things I thought was
really made the case a little extra credible about the Ariel School is when I
spoke to Selma Siddik, she said that the term UFO or anything like that
had never she'd never known about. You know, they're kind of remote,
and so that wasn't something that she would have ever conceived or thought of on
her own, you know, when she was actually seeing this. I think
I heard either Emily or her. The two witnesses I've spoken to, one
of them said they thought it must be something like military or something like that.
She was just they were just trying to figure things out. And are
there any other cases that you're aware of where it was sort of in a
remote area or most of these like, you know, when the suburbs or
urban areas. Oh gosh, no, I have never been asked that before.
I think they're mostly suburban. I'm trying to think of any really remote
areas. I mean, this occurs all over the world. Yeah, so
we're seeing cases in England, Canada, France, all across South America,
Africa, Australia, across Europe. So most of them are, you know,
in town I guess you would say, not rural areas. And it's
puzzling because cases like the Opaalaka, Florida case, a Crestview Elementary school in
nineteen sixty six had a number of these objects hovering over to the school.
One landed. Some two hundred kids saw this as well as the teachers.
There's an airport like two miles away. Who claims we've seen nothing. That's
true with the West Stall case in Melbourne, Australia. That's true with the
case in New Zealand in nineteen seventy where there were four hundred students on the
playground, two teachers. It's a great case. The teachers were suddenly realized
something was up when the students weren't playing. All the sounds that they're playing
had stopped and they look up and there's this giant thing approaching their playground.
It's huge, gets bigger and bigger. It's the sort of black disc and
glistening and glinting in the sun there and gets right over the school and covering
a third of the sky. They said, very large. Hovered for about
ten minutes and eventually moved off a little bit and then took off straight up.
There's an airport right next door. They called him up, of course,
and nothing now. So yeah, I think what we're looking at here
is the situation where they're showing off themselves to a select group and you could
be at the air part and you're not going to see this unless they're all
lying, which is entirely possible. But I don't know, because I keep
seeing this in case after case where it's just a school who's seeing this.
I'm trying to remember which case it is. It might be Westall. I
believe that's the case where the film was actually confiscated from a teacher. Is
that a common team? We're going into a break here in just a minute.
But is that a common thing as far as you know, No,
it's not super common. And yes, that is the Westall case, which
was another one of the ultimate cases. There's six really big cases, and
that's one of them where there was an active sort of attempt to cover up
events, which was pretty successful for a long time thanks to the work of
you know, Shaney, Ryan. Yeah, it's come out now and there's
so But yeah, that that doesn't happen a lot because people don't really have
haven't taken a lot of pictures, and those that have were well received and
published the newspapers and so on. I believe, I don't know. A
half hour ago I mentioned that Shane Ryan was coming on on December tenth,
and I believe I called him Ryan Shane. I may don't know, but
anyway, Yeah, he's a nice guy. He did a lot of really
good work on that. So we're going to go into the break now,
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