1 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:32,719 Welcome to the show. I'm really excited about tonight's show. Unfortunately, Alejandro 2 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,920 is on the road traveling and he said, oh darn you just can't. 3 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:41,640 He just can't. He's not gonna be anywhere that where he can actually talk 4 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,399 with us, So he is not going to be on the show. But 5 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:53,479 I have a show with what I consider too really wonderful nice guys tonight. 6 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,920 Sam Moronto is joining us from Chicago in the beginning of the show, and 7 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,719 then after that we have Preston Dennett and he has written a book about Schoolyard 8 00:01:02,799 --> 00:01:06,599 UFOs and we're going to be talking all about that. I want to thank 9 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,560 everyone that helps out with the show, and that means people behind the scenes 10 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:15,480 and also the people that help support the show and anybody that anybody can do 11 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,400 that. All you have to do is go over to podcast UFO dot com 12 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:23,000 all the informations over there. We're also on Patreon as well. And I 13 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:29,640 was just this last Sunday. Was that two days ago I was on the 14 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,920 Powercast and had a really good conversation with Randall and Gene over there, and 15 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:42,079 you can check that out over at the Powercast and levelheaded, great conversations and 16 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,359 also, I mean, it was just it was a real pleasure and I've 17 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,200 been thinking, you know, maybe I'll get both of them at different times 18 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,719 on this show would be a lot of fun. I was really impressed at 19 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,000 how knowledgeable both of them are. Randall, who i'd ever talked to before, 20 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,760 I really knew his stuff. And it was a lot of fun. 21 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,879 And if anyone would like to get a shout out if you support the show, 22 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:10,919 I'd be happy to do that. And I think I'm trying to read 23 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,479 this. I would send along email. I simply asked David and Heather if 24 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,520 I could do a shout out in Phoenix for them, and he just wrote 25 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,800 me a long email back, and I'm hoping somewhere in that email he says, 26 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:27,039 yeah, go ahead, but and I hope it doesn't say don't do 27 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,120 a shout out anyway. So anyone that supports a show, I'd be glad 28 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,080 to do a shout out for you. Just email me and tell me if 29 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,199 you want me to use your full name or just first name. And that's 30 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:45,879 Martin at podcast ufo dot com. And I am getting my good buddy here 31 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,280 from Chicago on right now. Sam Moranto. Welcome to the show boy. 32 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,000 It's good to be back and great to hear your voice. It was also 33 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,800 magnificent to hear that wonderful race. Ha. Oh my gosh, what a 34 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:06,319 wonderful voice. I know, what a radio voice? Huh? Hey, 35 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:07,680 what do you think of my hat? I got the I love it? 36 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:10,960 Actually. Yeah. All the time I say, well, I'm not necessarily 37 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,919 as saying it's aliens. Well, my hat says it's aliens anyway, Sam, 38 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:22,639 So this is not a typical news segment. I just wanted to have 39 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,000 you on because there's always something going on out in the Chicago way. And 40 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,400 when I found out Alejandro couldn't be on, I thought, hey, well 41 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:35,599 let's see if Sam could be on. Sam. First of all, I 42 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:42,680 know this is the near anniversary of a couple of major sightings. Let's see, 43 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:49,360 was it November seventh? O'Hare? Is that when that was? You 44 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,280 got it? For twenty or so? In the afternoon gate seat seventeen objects 45 00:03:53,280 --> 00:04:00,960 sitting below ceiling of approximately nineteen hundred feet and it's about four hundred and fifty 46 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,439 feet below that. This object is sitting there looking much like you know, 47 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,120 to some degree, we keep hearing about this tip tech tick dec but if 48 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:15,479 you look at a disc object from a side angle, it's just a matter 49 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,920 of where you're looking at at your vantage point. This object sat there for 50 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:25,600 a good twenty plus minutes. I had the privilege of speaking to three people 51 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,319 who saw it, a couple of other individuals who were talking to people on 52 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,560 the radio who weren't able to see it themselves, but were able to communicate 53 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:41,279 with them as they were watching it. And there is absolutely no doubt that 54 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:47,120 this object that bolted through sky that day was not a lenticular cloud that went 55 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:57,360 through that some six thousand feet of ceiling of cloud layer that sat there and 56 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:03,399 bolted through in an instance to the point that people were gasping and reacting with 57 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:11,519 shock. So when you hear these these crazy stories that so called skeptics come 58 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,439 up with, you could just remind them to take a peek at the NARCAP 59 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:24,360 Scientific Technical Report number ten, and that's at NARCAP dot org. Read the 60 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:29,240 details on that, and if that isn't enough information, I believe it's starting 61 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,160 near two hundred some pages of very good scientific evaluation. And oh yes, 62 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:42,560 my interviews are in there. So I definitely was part of the case itself. 63 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,360 Somebody said I wasn't. I don't know how that happened, but I 64 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:54,560 most certainly was. And yes, that was on the November the seven, 65 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:59,360 two thousand and six. Now you just mentioned it wasn't a cloud, and 66 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,759 I'm going to ask you, are you addressing I don't know if you listen 67 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,839 to when I had seth Shawstack on, I don't know what was it a 68 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,800 three weeks ago, but he's the one who he actually said it was a 69 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,680 cloud. Is that kind of why you're addressing that in particular? Yes, 70 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:23,680 and particularly I'm addressing that. Plus there was an astronomer from the Adler who 71 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,199 came on. It was an interview that I was supposed to attend. I 72 00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:30,920 didn't have time to get down there and do. It was one of these 73 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,680 last minute phone calls they want to be in studio do an interview. But 74 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,360 that notion was brought up stating that, oh, we know what it was 75 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:44,160 a lenticular cloud. First of all, lenticular clouds are rarely seen in the 76 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:48,120 Midwest. You have to have a pretty good wind to create that, and 77 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,639 you'll find him on a leeward side of a mountain or for instance, something 78 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:57,759 very tall. You do get them in the Midwest, but they're extremely rare. 79 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:03,120 One of my witnesses, my main witness, was a person to a 80 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,720 lot of mountain climbing and when she heard a lenticular cloud, she said, 81 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:11,920 well, that was just a bunch of kaka as how she referred to it. 82 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:17,040 And there's no way possible that that was the case. And this object 83 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:23,480 sat there. She was evaluating it as from the point of what kind of 84 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:29,480 construction it was actually made of. She was a military brat. Her father 85 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,800 was the captain of an air wing for the Navy, and she was raised 86 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:43,000 in the environment of aviation and she knew the proper terminology when she came to 87 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:50,959 analyzing the object. She was also a reporter and a very smart person. 88 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:56,360 She was a talking head for one of the television stations out there. So 89 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,279 in Washington, this was somebody that knew what she was talking about. Plus 90 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:11,240 we had pilots, we had a ground traffic personnel that we're taxing seven thirty 91 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:16,519 sevens back and forth to their hangers. They seen it. Bottom line, 92 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,759 this object was there. I can't say it was something that was from out 93 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:28,959 of this world that had exhibited some extremely remarkable technology. Wow. Um Yeah. 94 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:35,919 Another another real mystery as as they say, and I know I've asked 95 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:39,000 you this question, it just seems like it's a matter of time before, 96 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,279 you know, a pilot will retire. You know, the retirement age for 97 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:48,399 a commercial pilot is sixty five, so they have to retire at sixty five, 98 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:54,000 and it just seems like some should have retired by now that would want 99 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,960 to talk about actually seeing this object. I'm hoping that is the case. 100 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:05,840 One individual I did speak to was at a retirement was a senior group, 101 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:13,080 and this gentleman was a manager handling security underground built between gates Heat seventeen, 102 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:22,960 the gates C Concourse and Concourse, and was managing the oversight of inspecting the 103 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:30,480 luggage for security. And he heard the chatter back and forth and he called 104 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:35,519 his friend and the concourse was a manager and he was giving him a complete, 105 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,879 very well detailed observation of what he was seeing. And he said, 106 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:48,879 by no accounts was that even remotely anything resembling a cloud. It was an 107 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:54,200 object, cut and dry, it was an object. Well, um, 108 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,799 I've been texting, so I'm going to have to actually say this, and 109 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:01,840 I apologize for after say this, But some people are saying that there's no 110 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:07,039 audio over on KGr A radio currently, so Race, if you can hear 111 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,759 me, you may want to check that out. They do have, obviously 112 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:18,159 to do have audio on YouTube because people are commenting about what we're talking about. 113 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:24,519 So you and I were talking a little bit earlier, just chatting, 114 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,879 and you said that Mothman. I know this is in UFOs, but Mothman 115 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,360 just won't go away. What's going on with that? Oh? That environment? 116 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:39,000 I tell you what. We had another report that came in, you 117 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:43,120 know, the whole the whole series of Mothman reports that came into move On, 118 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,840 which were about ten of them. Two of them. One was a 119 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,960 call in. One was an email that came in through the Illinois move On 120 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:56,200 website, not from the move On CMS. You know, most of these, 121 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,559 if not all of them, except for two, I should say all 122 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:05,919 except for two, had no contact of information. Everything was just voided or 123 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,600 fictitious. And the details, there was a lot of information. It was 124 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:16,559 just absolutely incorrect. People being outside during the rain stating that they were seeing 125 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:22,600 the reflection of the moon and the eye of the creature while they're out on 126 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:28,159 Lake Michigan and three to seven foot waves at ten o'clock at night. The 127 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:33,440 moon wasn't up to eleven forty three. I mean, I don't we understand 128 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:41,840 all the things that cannot be altered and are just scientifically definitely solid as far 129 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:46,919 as arifiable evidence, And yet they come up with all this nonsense. It 130 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:54,200 seemed like all of them had some very good creative writing in play and some 131 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,200 highly convincing narratives, and this is the same thing that's been going on. 132 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,480 But now what's going on is they're trying to turn it and all of a 133 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:09,120 sudden, the investigators the bad guys because we're asking questions. We'd like to 134 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:13,200 have the people go out to the location, point out exactly where something is, 135 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:20,639 so he could do the usual scientific stuff like figure out how how something 136 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:22,879 is in the airs, if he could triangulate it, get some idea on 137 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:28,440 the size of the actual object. Nothing like this can go on nless you 138 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:33,879 have some help. And this is a nonsense, but it's starting up again. 139 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:37,399 Wouldn't it be nice to have some crypted thing floating around that we could 140 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,200 actually nail down and say, here, we could add this to the books 141 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:46,440 of some new crypted thing, you know, being whatever it is. If 142 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,679 it's extraterrestrial, interdimensional, or just one more freaking thing that we miss them 143 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,679 out and it's been living in the bushes, who knows. But all the 144 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:03,159 new reports are coming around from the area around the O'Hare field, which is 145 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,440 not a good place to go flying around if you're seven foot All. Well, 146 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:11,559 I didn't have any idea that it was ever around the airport. Is 147 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,039 this something new, Yes, this is a new area that we're starting to 148 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,840 get the reports from. And again some of the information just doesn't add up 149 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:28,039 the timelines. But then again, all these reports. The minute you start 150 00:13:28,159 --> 00:13:37,480 asking to have a phone interview or any other form of contact, they insist 151 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:41,159 that you're meddling, that you're being too pushy, that they wish to stay 152 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:45,159 anonymous if you call in, and if you send a report and anonymous, 153 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,879 you're already there. I can't grant anonymity to something that isn't known. It's 154 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,600 like that's an impossible act. So the bottom line is, if you're going 155 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:00,600 to fill out a report, expect to get some sort of community engage and 156 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,399 from us to at least get more detailed to help you figure out what it 157 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,399 is. And that's all we're interested in doing. Yeah, Wow, Hey, 158 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:11,240 Sam, I can't believe how much the time has just flown by. 159 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:16,639 It seems like we just started chatting here. Anyway, thanks so much. 160 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:22,600 I appreciate you filling in for our good friend Alejandro, and you take care 161 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,000 out in Chicago, and my best to Julian. We'll talk soon, yes, 162 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,000 take care, I'll see you all right. All right, everyone, 163 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:37,080 So, our guest of coming up now is Preston Dennett. And Preston has 164 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,879 been on I think two at least two times ahead. A real fun guy, 165 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,399 nice guy. Always enjoy speaking with him, and he has been investigating 166 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,799 UFOs and the paranormal all the way back since nineteen eighty six. He's written 167 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:03,960 several books I think twenty four books and over articles on UFO and paranormal and 168 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:09,519 again, I just always enjoy speaking with him. And welcome to the show, 169 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,840 Preston. Hey, thanks for having me on. All right. There 170 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,080 you are, I'm seeing you. I'm seeing you, but I'm not seeing 171 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,759 you on the I don't know what's going on with Skype tonight, but it's 172 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:28,480 not it's not I'm not behaving. It's not behaving. Let me just see 173 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:31,559 if I can shame There you are, okay, all right, I'm gonna 174 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,879 do some adjustments on this end. All right, here you go. We're 175 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:41,279 going to put you on. Here you go. So preston. For the 176 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:46,039 person who has never heard you on the show, why don't you give a 177 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,480 quick background and what got you interested in the topic, all that good stuff? 178 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,799 Right? Yeah, Well, I was originally born in Illinois, moved 179 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,960 here to California with my family. I've got five brothers and sisters, and 180 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,440 I thought we were all scuttle of UFOs. It turns out no, some 181 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:06,480 of them had seen UFOs and didn't tell me. I was very skeptical. 182 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:11,000 It wasn't until nineteen eighty six, November seventeenth, I think it was exactly. 183 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:15,200 There was a sighting over Alaska captain ken Ju Taroshi. It's a very 184 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:21,600 famous case, and I thought, wow, this pilot is obviously lying or 185 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:26,759 he's on drugs. I mean, what is going on? Because the news 186 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:27,919 just kind of laughed about it. They were a very tongue in cheek and 187 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:33,519 moved on. But I remembered my brother had said seen a UFO and I 188 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,799 didn't believe him, and I asked him about it and got a real shock. 189 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:41,360 You know, he had two friends with him. He chased this metallic 190 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:47,360 disc for several miles in his car, and I started asking people and found 191 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,120 out that you know, not only you know, some of the people within 192 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:55,360 my family, but my friends and my co workers as well not only had 193 00:16:55,519 --> 00:17:00,399 sightings but missing time and you know, face to face encounters with gray tease. 194 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,160 So yeah, it hit home for me. You know, as far 195 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,559 as I'm concerned, it wasn't good news. I was pretty upset about it. 196 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:14,359 Really, really, that's a you know, I sometimes I hear kind 197 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,240 of that reaction, but some of sometimes mostly about um, someone that has 198 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:22,880 their own sighting, but not generally when they're listening to other people's accounts. 199 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:30,759 Are you saying this reaction of yours has to do more of like it was 200 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,680 something that you didn't know about, sort of like a secret out there, 201 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,039 and all of a sudden you know about it, and and well, so 202 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,359 why why was your reaction the way it was? I guess what I'm looking 203 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,480 for, Um, I guess I had a lot of anger because this wasn't 204 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:47,680 taught in schools, and the people I thought, you know who love and 205 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,519 me were lying essentially, and I get it, you know that I was 206 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,000 vehemently skeptical. I was taking all kinds of science classes in college, and 207 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,519 I was you know, dug in in terms of you know, UFOs not 208 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:06,400 being real. So it was a big adjustment for sure. And finding out 209 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,599 that our own government is using our own tax dollars to basically ridicule witnesses and 210 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:17,359 cover up events and uh, you know, cover up the truth really upset 211 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,599 me. So there, Yeah, it was a not good news. I 212 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:25,400 mean it was very interesting. I became obsessed very quickly, bought all the 213 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,240 books i could, magazines, I subscribed to mouf On, became a member 214 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,720 or a field investigator. I was tromping through the fields. I was going 215 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:38,599 to see if these things were real? Wow, And what what was your 216 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:45,599 investigation like when you work for Muthon Moufon? Did you work with mufon? 217 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:52,480 Did you have any really interesting cases that you personally investigated? Oh? Yeah, 218 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,400 yeah, I mean I worked directly with Mufon for a number of years 219 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:03,839 early on and just kind of fed some case too then and mostly sightings and 220 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,759 things like that. Don't work so much with muff On these days. I'm 221 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:11,799 still a field investigator and a member. I support them. I think there's 222 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:18,119 a lot of really good people in MUFON, but like every UFO citizen UFO 223 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,759 organization in the US, there's problems with them. I mean, this is 224 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:27,279 what we saw with Apro, who was essentially spied on by the CIA. 225 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:33,960 The Lorenzens caught them doing it. And what's the other one not Apro, 226 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:41,640 not q FOS Nightcap that of course fell apart due to infiltration, so you 227 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,839 know, and mouf On, I love them, but their membership is what 228 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,599 a few thousand? Why isn't it a hundred thousand? I don't understand. 229 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:55,680 That's always puzzled me too, and it's not likely it's an expensive membership. 230 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:02,599 I've had a little few discussions with Janny Harris and about you know, how 231 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,680 he tries to get you know, members involved. And now I see they 232 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,880 have a new like moof on TV show. I watched part of it the 233 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,240 other day. You know, maybe they're trying to get experimental and trying to 234 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:18,240 figure out ways to you know, get more members involved. But yeah, 235 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:23,440 it's it is. It is surprisingly a low membership, and yeah, I 236 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:30,079 know the controversy and there's some people that have just played left because of it, 237 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:36,319 and I think, you know, when whenever something like you mentioned whenever 238 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,039 something like this, um can it can easily get out of hand in different 239 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,319 ways, you know the politics of it and the whole thing. And then 240 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:51,359 when anytime when there's money involved, UM things, weird things can happen too. 241 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:56,359 So I know they've had their struggles. Well, I like John, 242 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,440 I met him, you know, at the conference in Irvine when I spoke 243 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,599 there, And I'm hopeful for this all continuing in a good path. But 244 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,640 we have to remember that this is a real subject, UFOs, our real 245 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:14,279 The evidence I think is conclusive really within the public arena, if you're willing 246 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:18,400 to search it out, and there's a cover up, it's demonstrable. So 247 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:25,119 and it hasn't stopped yet, right, So there's pushing pull forces here that 248 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:30,759 are making this very difficult to move the subject forward. Right right, Let's 249 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,200 see, I think we're going into break right now. So we're going to 250 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:37,720 go into our first break. We're going to get into your book, because 251 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:45,720 I find that really fascinating, the schoolyard UFO encounters. But first of all, 252 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:51,400 in your area, what part of California do you live in southern California 253 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:57,559 outside of La in Resita, And what's the what's the fires? How? 254 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,359 How are you dealing with that? Out there? By just a couple of 255 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,400 weeks ago, it was pretty scary. I mean, I had fires on 256 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,200 both sides of me. I personally was in no danger, but my family, 257 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:15,279 my brother and sister in law were just about getting ready to evacuate and 258 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,599 have other people who are in direct path of the fires in northern California. 259 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:26,519 So it's been horrendous. Yeah, it's a big deal. I've lived here 260 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:30,319 for a long time since nineteen seventy one, and wildfires are nothing new, 261 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,039 but not like this, I have to it has They don't race across and 262 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,119 just demolish a thousand homes in minutes. That's right. And I know we're 263 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,359 doing a show about UFOs, but I do want to talk a little bit 264 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,160 about this because I think it's actually, you know, scary and interesting at 265 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:56,240 the same time. But I went out in to California a few years ago 266 00:22:56,039 --> 00:23:00,039 visiting, and I went up to Yosemite, and I couldn't believe what I 267 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:07,319 saw with a beetle kill that happens when there's a drought and the trees can't 268 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,119 produce enough sap to protect themselves against the beetle and so the beatles and so 269 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,920 the beatles will kill these trees. But I mean, what a fire hazard 270 00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:21,720 Yosemite, which is such a beautiful area. What a fire has its Yosemite 271 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,960 itself is and I'm surprised that hasn't torched. You know, it's just just 272 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:32,400 so much tinder what do they call it? Tinder just waiting to light there. 273 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:36,559 But I don't know if it's going to get any better in California. 274 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:40,519 I mean, it's like there's not too it seems like there's most of this, 275 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,880 you know, the wooded areas have been hit one way or another in 276 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,759 the last few years. Pretty amazing. Yeah, there's still a lot of 277 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:53,440 forests out there, thank god. And I think at some point this has 278 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,920 got to stabilize if we work on our environment. It's the number one message 279 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:03,279 from the ETS, by the way, environment mentalism. Yeah, I would 280 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,039 like to That's one of the things I want to talk about because you know, 281 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:11,839 a lot of these schoolyard encounters they do have they do have messages. 282 00:24:12,319 --> 00:24:15,839 All right, everyone, welcome back. This is Martin Willison. My guest 283 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,440 is Preston Dennett, and we're gonna be talking about schoolyard encounters, and that's 284 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,119 where we're going to start, Preston, So what made you decide you were 285 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,799 going to write this book about these encounters, which, by the way, 286 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:37,680 is one of the most interesting aspects of this phenomena as far as I'm concerned. 287 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:44,599 Yeah, I kind of slipped into it by chance. Coincidentally, one 288 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:48,200 of my early cases, my first human art case, actually took place right 289 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,359 in front of an elementary school. So I started running into these cases early 290 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,640 on, and of course, when the Rua Zimbabwe case occurred, I'm like, 291 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,000 wow, this is really unusual. I thought, I thought it was 292 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:07,000 unusual, and but I kept hearing more cases. I ran into another of 293 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:11,359 my own down in Hawthorne at a Catholic school, and thought, gosh, 294 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,039 I wonder if this is a thing, because I'd been looking into various areas 295 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:19,839 that I call UFO attractors, sort of like mines, you know, metal 296 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:26,920 mines, iron mines, copper mines attract to fos. So do rocket launches, 297 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,799 anything to do with rockets, nuclear stations. And I thought, I 298 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:34,640 wonder if schools are a thing, because I had heard, of of course, 299 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:41,319 the Westall Melbourne case at Westall High School or some two hundred kids saw 300 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,279 a UFO land three hundred, and I thought, gosh, you know, 301 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:51,440 I think there's another. I remembered one up in Wales where they saw humanoids. 302 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,640 I did not know about the Opalalaca Crestview case. So turn these are 303 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,480 all the most more famous cases. And so I decided to dig in a 304 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:06,799 little bit because I had read this case where a student had said that he 305 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:14,680 had grays walk into his classroom during class. And yeah, time stopped and 306 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,680 these grays were just going up and down the aisles. No one was moving, 307 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,240 and at this point he couldn't move, he couldn't talk, and suddenly 308 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,240 they were gone. Time speeded up again, and everyone acted like nothing had 309 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,480 happened. I thought, oh my god, you know our you know, 310 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:33,400 schools being targeted by UFOs. So I did a sort of a survey of 311 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:41,000 the literature, starting with the books in my library and magazines and UFO news 312 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:47,400 clipping service. I checked out moufon in Newfark and other UFO databases, and 313 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,920 I have to tell you, you know, I got a real shock. 314 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,960 I'm having investigated UFOs for you know, gosh, thirty years now. Most 315 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,680 of my life I thought I was I knew pretty much what was going on, 316 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,880 and this really threw me for a loop because I found over one hundred 317 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:11,519 cases pretty quickly. That's amazing right all over the world. Stretching back, 318 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:15,880 gosh, the earliest when I found with eighteen fifty three, it's an outlier. 319 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,759 That's in Tennessee. These UFOs hovered over a college, but really starting 320 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:29,759 in nineteen fifty and onward from that year, at least two real three high 321 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:34,640 quality cases per year all the way up pretty much to the present day. 322 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,119 I think I don't know, maybe three or four months ago, the topic 323 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,480 of school yard encounters came up, and I believe I said, yeah, 324 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:49,279 I think there's at least four or five of them. I had no idea 325 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,200 if you had told me there was one hundred, you know, at that 326 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,119 time, I would have like, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't believe you. 327 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,960 But I mean, it's just I can't believe Eve, there's so many. 328 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,240 It's that's just amazing. And U you know, we know of like 329 00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:08,319 you just mentioned two that you know, I'm very familiar with. And by 330 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,440 the way, on December tenth, we have Ryan Shane is going to be 331 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:22,039 on about the westall encounter December tenth soum. But the Ariale School, to 332 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,079 me, is one of the major ones just because of well, there's so 333 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,000 many reasons why. You know, the sixty five or whatever was school children, 334 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,640 and so many of them, you know, saw the beings. And 335 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,559 speaking of beings, how many of these encounters, I don't know if you 336 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:47,079 can try to make a stab at how many of them had actual being sightings 337 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:52,079 and all those hundred yeah, ten percent at least. Actually what I found 338 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:59,720 it surprising thirty percent of the cases involved landings and or humanoids. So what 339 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,240 we're dealing with are not First of all, it's not a coincidence. This 340 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:08,039 is not like random fly bys. Your average kind of sighting is about four 341 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:12,119 thousand feet up and thenomalous light at night, very brief, and it darts 342 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:18,440 away. Right, That's not what's happening here. These cases are fundamentally different 343 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,200 in several really profound and significant ways. I think. First of all, 344 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,559 being that these are very low level sightings. I would say that a thousand 345 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:33,039 feet would be on the higher end for these objects. They come down to 346 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,119 usually two hundred feet one hundred fifty. Yeah, Like I said, in 347 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,920 some cases landing, these objects are directly targeting the schools. They're appearing from, 348 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,359 say the horizon or way up in the sky, and come right over 349 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,279 the school, perhaps circling around it, but usually stopping right over it or 350 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,480 landing next to it, usually behind the school in a grove of trees when 351 00:29:55,519 --> 00:30:00,160 they do land. What's also unusual about these cases is they occurred during daytime, 352 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:06,920 which you know, most sightings are at night, So this is a 353 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:14,960 significant difference and also removes the possibility of misperception. Another thing, as they 354 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,000 last a long time. You know, ten minutes would be sort of the 355 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:22,200 shorter end, twenty minutes, thirty minutes, an hour, two hours. 356 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,440 A couple of these cases like occur over a period of days or even a 357 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:33,720 week of repeated visits. Yeah, not at all unusual. Also unusual is 358 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,519 the fact that we're not dealing with, you know, your average amount of 359 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:44,440 four to seven witnesses. We are dealing with an average of thirty witnesses per 360 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,480 case. For in many cases there's forty fifty one hundred, two hundred, 361 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:53,440 four hundred witnesses and not not just students, by the way, teachers. 362 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:59,680 In about half the cases, there's often a governmental response. There's you know, 363 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:06,400 terry or state government police. There's also a wave of publicity usually that 364 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,319 follows these sightings that they generally do make the local newspapers, sometimes international. 365 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:18,160 But yeah, something crazy is definitely going on with these types of cases. 366 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,880 And one more quick thing is half half of the cases are elementary schools. 367 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,240 Yeah. We talked just for a couple of minutes before the show, and 368 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:33,400 I was saying to you that I think one of the reasons these sightings are 369 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,440 happening is because kids are very impressionable when you're going back to elementary schools. 370 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:45,880 You know, that even makes the case even a little stronger. And how 371 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,960 many of these cases are you aware of where they're actually the kids are actually 372 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,680 outside, like on the playground or something like that. Is there a good 373 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:59,960 percentage of that? Yeah? Ninety really really most of them. Yeah, 374 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:06,799 And what we do see is that these things show up during recess. It 375 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,039 seems, you know, to be happening so consistently that I just can't imagine 376 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:14,319 this is a coincidence. There are number of cases where kids are in their 377 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:19,079 classroom and these objects hover right outside the school and cause you know, classroom 378 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,279 chaos to say the least, But most of the cases, Yeah, the 379 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:27,039 kids are on the playground. It's usually you know, early morning, recess, 380 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,000 lunchtime, or school has just been let out. Number of cases just 381 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:36,559 like that. Wow. So yeah, I think it's intentional and these ets 382 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,359 are because what we often you know, I do believe we're dealing with ets. 383 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:45,759 Just put that out there. Extraterrestrials in the classic sense. I think 384 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:50,319 that they're casing the joint and you know what I mean, they're scouting the 385 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,200 area out prior to this because often in these cases there are sightings before the 386 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:00,759 event and after. That was certainly true in the aerial case. So are 387 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:06,160 you saying before the actual event of the encounter, there's sightings after and before. 388 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,839 Is that what you mean by that? Yeah, particularly in the case 389 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:13,720 of the landings. What we see is in the cases where the epipods are 390 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:19,119 landing next to schools the day before that, they'll often be sightings and after 391 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,319 that for that matter. Yeah, not always, but certainly it is a 392 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,839 pattern. So it is almost like they're they're scouting it out in a way. 393 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,640 And yeah, and I want to go over some of the cases, 394 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:36,720 but you mentioned sometime the military gets involved. Can you talk about any of 395 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,200 the cases where that that is the case. Um, yeah, I think 396 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,400 probably the one that comes to mind would be the Marysville, Ohio the Jerome 397 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,519 Elementary School. I have the date for that summer around here, Yeah, 398 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,599 nineteen fifty four October twenty second. Great case, it's really amazing, began 399 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,119 when a bunch of children, about sixty children around the playground and saw this 400 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,640 sort of football shaped object with very bright lights, perhaps portholes, but probably 401 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,559 lights because it was very bright. Came swooping down about two hundred feet and 402 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:13,280 hovered there for a good five or ten minutes before some kids decided to know, 403 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,760 maybe we better call the teachers and called out the principle, mister Dimmick, 404 00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,400 and he was amazed. He's never seen anything like it, says it 405 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,079 was so bright he had to shield his eyes. He immediately called for another 406 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:31,320 teacher. She ran out and didn't see it because this thing darts away at 407 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:37,960 full speed, but sighting wasn't over yet. At this point, the sky 408 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:42,159 fills with this sort of cotton candy like substance, which we now know as 409 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,480 angel hair. It's relatively rare. I mean these, I mean, there's 410 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,280 quite a number of cases, but not a lot compared to the number of 411 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,840 sightings that are out there. And this is just sort of this weird spiderweb 412 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,440 type substance, and it was thick all over the playground. It targeted the 413 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,280 school in my mind, clearly a display of some kind done intentionally. I 414 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,159 don't think this is UFO exhaust or anything. I think they put this out 415 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:12,840 there for the kids. I really do, and I can tell you why. 416 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,199 But at any rate, they scooped it up, you know, they 417 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,280 brought some to the teachers. The teachers fussed around with it. They sent 418 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:24,039 a sample to the local newspaper, who sent to the sample to Lockporn Air 419 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:30,000 Force Base, and they never heard back from them. But the Air Force 420 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,519 did express interest in this case particularly, and seemed to express interest in all 421 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:40,719 the cases where there's perhaps photographs taken or moving films or another case just like 422 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,360 this. One year later Whitsit Elementary School, another angel hair fall case or 423 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:52,159 the Air Force showed up to interview people and tried to debunk the case. 424 00:35:52,599 --> 00:36:00,599 But turns out the principle who saw this is also let's see Witsit Elementary School. 425 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,239 He witnessed the whole thing. Turns out he was a World War two, 426 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,239 VET would flown like thirty some combat missions and new aircraft and was just 427 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,360 not having what this Air Force major was trying to do, which was debunk 428 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,360 the case. Well, wow, so you talked about the angel here. 429 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,880 I know there was a case. I can't remember anything about it other than 430 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,079 that it was found. They found a bunch of it in the trees. 431 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:32,400 I know it was a woman witness. And has any of that ever been 432 00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:37,960 tested? Actually, you mentioned that the Air Force never got back to him. 433 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,719 But hast have people tested it otherwise? Oh? Yeah, certainly in 434 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,199 other cases And in the wits It elementary school case, they did send a 435 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:52,760 sample off to Burlington Scientific Labs, who returned it saying they were not able 436 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,280 to identify it as other than possibly an organic substance and they thought it might 437 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,480 be spiderwebs and recommended which it couldn't be because I mean, this was thick 438 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:05,559 on the playground at any rate. They did send it to a biologist and 439 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,639 the biologists had flat out, no, this is not spider webs. You 440 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:15,039 know, there's no evidence of spiders here. The strands are way too even, 441 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,920 and yeah, it does chemical analysis has shown, you know, I 442 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,760 forget what the actual elements are in there, but I remember boron is one 443 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,480 of them, which isn't a super common element, but is something we use 444 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,360 for nuclear shielding how reactors, I believe or so that kind of piqued my 445 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,000 interest. I'm like, I wonder if there's something to that. But generally 446 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:44,199 the substance dissolves very quickly. It's extremely hard to gather samples of so there 447 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,000 hasn't been a whole lot of study of it, but there has been some. 448 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,039 Wow, Now, are there any other as far as you know, 449 00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:55,639 are there any other trace evidence cases when it comes to schoolyard sightings? Oh? 450 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:01,280 Yeah, there was a case in South Africa, Richmond High School where 451 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,159 I believe it was Richmond, where a UFO landed on the high school tennis 452 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:13,519 courts overnight. The guy who kind of with principle by coincidence, actually lived 453 00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:19,320 next to school saw these lights outside his window. There was some security guards 454 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,760 who saw it, and I believe another police officer saw it. So a 455 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,920 number of witnesses saw these strange lights and the next morning they go to these 456 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,639 tennis courts where these lights were and they were tore up and they couldn't figure 457 00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:37,480 out how it was done because these they were locked up in secure fencing. 458 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:43,039 The gates weren't disturbed, the fences weren't damaged, but the blue gum tree 459 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,840 next to the tennis courts was all burnt. The floor of the tennis courts 460 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,800 was tore up all over the place, and they found some of the tar 461 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,480 several hundred yards away on a mountain side, little hillside, So that was 462 00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,440 curious. Yeah, they have no idea what exactly happened in that case, 463 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,679 but that's one of a number of landing trace cases. I know, the 464 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,760 Westall case had some pretty significant landing traces. There's a number of cases with 465 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,280 physiological reactions as well. So yeah, and there. Let's see the Moline, 466 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:22,000 Illinois case. Sacred Heart Elementary School. Forty children and three nuns saw 467 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,599 this UFO hovering over it. There was a police officer who had a movie 468 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,480 camera and was able to take footage of it. I've saw the footage. 469 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:36,280 It's not great by today's standards, but it's really, in my mind, 470 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,239 great evidence. Because we have so many witnesses supporting this, we know it's 471 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,159 not a hoax, and certainly the airport showed a lot of interest in it, 472 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,800 and the guy who took the footage. The police officer was actually visited 473 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:57,000 by so called men in black, refused to identify themselves, right, perhaps 474 00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:01,679 the government type as opposed to the sort of weirder alien type. But some 475 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,199 you know, government officials from some unnamed agency who expressed a lot of interest 476 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:12,400 in his film, and I wanted to see it. I was just looking 477 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:19,079 over the list, and there is I mean, I've never heard of any 478 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:24,159 of these. So you mentioned in your research that you you went into, 479 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:30,519 say you're a books, and then your articles, and then and you mentioned 480 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,760 something about newspaper clips. I mean, it must be so hard to find 481 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,239 these, I mean, or can someone actually find a lot of these through 482 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:44,360 the Internet. I cast a pretty wide net, you know. I've got 483 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,239 a pretty big library, subscribe to the UFO news clipping service before you know, 484 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,639 there was internet, And I found some really wonderful dead databases. I 485 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:59,480 can tell you moff On and new Fork, National UFO Reporting Center had a 486 00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:07,159 lot of formation, uh apro QFOS, Nightcap, lots of the magazines. 487 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,599 So yeah, I did cast a wide net. I traced some of the 488 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:15,159 cases myself, you know, and was able to talk to witnesses firsthand. 489 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:22,920 So yeah, it was definitely it's a real research project for sure. But 490 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,480 boy, when I found one of these cases, I'm like, wow, 491 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:30,679 here's this, here's this pattern again exerting itself, where all this UFO shows 492 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,840 up at recess and these are displays. Clearly, these UFOs are showing themselves 493 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,159 off on purpose. It's a sort of UFO behavior that's not super common but 494 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,519 turns up regularly, and that's what they're doing in these cases for sure. 495 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,960 Um, let's let's uh talk about Um, We'll get into the different cases, 496 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:57,039 the unknown cases that I'm interested in, but let's talk about Earlier. 497 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,039 You said something along the lines of, you know, the environment the message. 498 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:08,280 Are there a lot of cases where people actually you know, children are 499 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,679 mentioning you know that they either had a vision or they felt like they were 500 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:20,159 communicated with and uh and if so, you know what kind of percentage of 501 00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:27,880 that is what we've heard in the past about environmental you know related right now. 502 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:34,360 Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of direct communication cases. There's a smattering 503 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,159 of them. The RUA Zimbabwe cases really the ultimate case of this kind, 504 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,800 which has all the elements including you know, landing humanoids, multiple witnesses. 505 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,519 Uh, No teachers saw that one Now, one one has come. When 506 00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:55,079 I was speaking to James fox Um out in Phoenix, he told me that 507 00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:00,599 there was one teacher that admitted to him that she actually saw it and she 508 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:05,400 kept quiet about it. So wow, So he did get an interview with 509 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,440 her. It's going to be in his film when it comes out whenever that 510 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,639 is, hopefully it'll be soon. But yeah, that'll be interesting to hear 511 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,639 her side of it. Yeah, but most of them, no, don't 512 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,400 have messages. It's certainly the most common message I hear when someone's taken on 513 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,400 board the craft, regardless of the date of their encounter or the type of 514 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:30,360 VT they're interacting with. That's the number one message people are given. And 515 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,920 it was there in the Roo Zimbabwe case. And there's only a couple of 516 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,880 other cases where people got any message at all. So that is actually really 517 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,920 rare. Oh yeah, I was. I was hoping there would be more 518 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:50,119 of those because I just find it really really an added, you know, 519 00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:55,679 amazing element to the whole situation. And you mentioned a couple of times there's 520 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:04,880 principles. How often you say, are faculty involved in actually you know, 521 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,239 seeing these things is it rare or is it you know, half and half 522 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,920 or what is it? It's about half? You know, It's hard to 523 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,960 say for sure because a lot of these cases aren't really thoroughly investigated. But 524 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,840 and I'm just astonished at how many cases there are where there's elementary age witnesses 525 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,239 who see this stuff and there are no teachers we're are admitting it at least, 526 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:32,920 So what we're like the RUA Zimbible case, Well, I found out 527 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:38,440 there's a teacher there just now. I think that we're seeing that's probably more 528 00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:43,440 likely the case that a lot of these teachers are just not going to talk 529 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:50,679 about it, whereas students. You know, children are unencumbered by society and 530 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,480 preconceptions, which I think actually makes them great witnesses in a lot of ways. 531 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,360 They're often marginalized unfortunately terms of being UFO witnesses are really witnesses in any 532 00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:07,960 event. There's that old added children should be seen and not heard, and 533 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:14,320 that was truer back then, you know, than it is now. But 534 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,639 my phone's ringing, Sorry about that, But yeah, I think that, 535 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,800 uh, this is actually a lot more common and teachers see them, probably 536 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,800 in at least half the cases. Probably more, but there's a bunch of 537 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,559 cases there where it's just the kids. One of the things I thought was 538 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,480 really made the case a little extra credible about the Ariel School is when I 539 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:45,599 spoke to Selma Siddik, she said that the term UFO or anything like that 540 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:51,199 had never she'd never known about. You know, they're kind of remote, 541 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:57,159 and so that wasn't something that she would have ever conceived or thought of on 542 00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,440 her own, you know, when she was actually seeing this. I think 543 00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:07,599 I heard either Emily or her. The two witnesses I've spoken to, one 544 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:12,920 of them said they thought it must be something like military or something like that. 545 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,960 She was just they were just trying to figure things out. And are 546 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,119 there any other cases that you're aware of where it was sort of in a 547 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,599 remote area or most of these like, you know, when the suburbs or 548 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,000 urban areas. Oh gosh, no, I have never been asked that before. 549 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,119 I think they're mostly suburban. I'm trying to think of any really remote 550 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,320 areas. I mean, this occurs all over the world. Yeah, so 551 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,119 we're seeing cases in England, Canada, France, all across South America, 552 00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:52,159 Africa, Australia, across Europe. So most of them are, you know, 553 00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:58,440 in town I guess you would say, not rural areas. And it's 554 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:05,679 puzzling because cases like the Opaalaka, Florida case, a Crestview Elementary school in 555 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,920 nineteen sixty six had a number of these objects hovering over to the school. 556 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,280 One landed. Some two hundred kids saw this as well as the teachers. 557 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:19,000 There's an airport like two miles away. Who claims we've seen nothing. That's 558 00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,159 true with the West Stall case in Melbourne, Australia. That's true with the 559 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,920 case in New Zealand in nineteen seventy where there were four hundred students on the 560 00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:32,480 playground, two teachers. It's a great case. The teachers were suddenly realized 561 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,360 something was up when the students weren't playing. All the sounds that they're playing 562 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:43,679 had stopped and they look up and there's this giant thing approaching their playground. 563 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,960 It's huge, gets bigger and bigger. It's the sort of black disc and 564 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,480 glistening and glinting in the sun there and gets right over the school and covering 565 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:59,559 a third of the sky. They said, very large. Hovered for about 566 00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:04,719 ten minutes and eventually moved off a little bit and then took off straight up. 567 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,639 There's an airport right next door. They called him up, of course, 568 00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:14,880 and nothing now. So yeah, I think what we're looking at here 569 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:20,840 is the situation where they're showing off themselves to a select group and you could 570 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,400 be at the air part and you're not going to see this unless they're all 571 00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:30,239 lying, which is entirely possible. But I don't know, because I keep 572 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,519 seeing this in case after case where it's just a school who's seeing this. 573 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,519 I'm trying to remember which case it is. It might be Westall. I 574 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:45,760 believe that's the case where the film was actually confiscated from a teacher. Is 575 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,639 that a common team? We're going into a break here in just a minute. 576 00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:52,719 But is that a common thing as far as you know, No, 577 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:58,000 it's not super common. And yes, that is the Westall case, which 578 00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:00,840 was another one of the ultimate cases. There's six really big cases, and 579 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,679 that's one of them where there was an active sort of attempt to cover up 580 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,960 events, which was pretty successful for a long time thanks to the work of 581 00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:16,480 you know, Shaney, Ryan. Yeah, it's come out now and there's 582 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,559 so But yeah, that that doesn't happen a lot because people don't really have 583 00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:29,440 haven't taken a lot of pictures, and those that have were well received and 584 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:34,480 published the newspapers and so on. I believe, I don't know. A 585 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,000 half hour ago I mentioned that Shane Ryan was coming on on December tenth, 586 00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:44,239 and I believe I called him Ryan Shane. I may don't know, but 587 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,400 anyway, Yeah, he's a nice guy. He did a lot of really 588 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,480 good work on that. So we're going to go into the break now, 589 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,000 so everyone, this is this is our real break. We're going to go 590 00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:58,679 into that and we'll be back right after these messages. Well, that's it 591 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,400 for the free part of the show thing. Thank you so much for listening, 592 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:06,280 and please, if you're interested in signing up, go over to podcast 593 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:12,559 ufo dot com and you'll see the support the show page. There's actually on 594 00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:16,480 the menu bar you can get there. I would suggest Patreon because you can 595 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:22,079 get the link right there for your media player feed. It's not as complicated 596 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,480 I think. 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